1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:02,719 Speaker 1: Say, Henry Nigel show, my name is Nigel. Jason Hammer 2 00:00:02,800 --> 00:00:06,039 Speaker 1: right over there, still big headlines coming out of Minnesota 3 00:00:06,080 --> 00:00:09,120 Speaker 1: over the past few weeks. It's still a major story 4 00:00:09,560 --> 00:00:13,560 Speaker 1: with the protests, the demonstrations that paid agitators, the high 5 00:00:13,560 --> 00:00:18,360 Speaker 1: profile shootings involving law enforcement and demonstrators, high profile arrests, 6 00:00:18,360 --> 00:00:22,640 Speaker 1: including former CNN host Don Lemon for participating in the 7 00:00:22,680 --> 00:00:26,439 Speaker 1: mobbing of the church there in Minnesota. Here covering it 8 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:30,280 Speaker 1: all from the beginning, Breitbart News reporter Randy Clark, mister Clark, 9 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:32,839 Speaker 1: welcome back to the show. Thank you for coming on. 10 00:00:33,360 --> 00:00:36,400 Speaker 1: What is the latest out of Minnesota? And have things 11 00:00:36,440 --> 00:00:39,200 Speaker 1: been progressing for the better or for the worse there? 12 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:42,560 Speaker 2: You know, I think we're at a stalemate once again. 13 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:45,200 Speaker 2: We saw, you know, the chief of the Border Patroll, 14 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:48,480 Speaker 2: Greg Bovino from El Central California, get sent back home. 15 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:52,559 Speaker 2: We saw Tom Homan come in. Trump's borders are We 16 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:56,440 Speaker 2: had a quick press conference yesterday that was pretty much 17 00:00:56,520 --> 00:00:59,720 Speaker 2: one sided, saying some progress had been made and that 18 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:05,440 Speaker 2: the Attorney General of Minnesota, Keith Ellison, had agreed to 19 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:08,959 Speaker 2: maybe call Ice from county jails. Now we find out 20 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:12,280 Speaker 2: from you know, Ellison himself, that no agreements were reached, 21 00:01:12,319 --> 00:01:15,640 Speaker 2: that their laws prohibit that, and so we're pretty much 22 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:19,040 Speaker 2: at a stalemate. We're status quo there. I think operations 23 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:22,160 Speaker 2: may have slowed a little bit, and we're still seeing 24 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:26,080 Speaker 2: protesters outside those facilities and arrest may you know, happening 25 00:01:26,160 --> 00:01:27,319 Speaker 2: as we speak. 26 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:30,640 Speaker 3: Randy Jason Hammer here, Nigel and I were talking about 27 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:33,240 Speaker 3: this earlier in the week. How much of this do 28 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:35,120 Speaker 3: you think is a little bit of the art of 29 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:38,000 Speaker 3: the deal taking place here? Because if you're making a 30 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:42,280 Speaker 3: deal with Donald Trump, historically his mo has been make 31 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:46,920 Speaker 3: it look like everybody wins, but in reality, Trump wins. 32 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:48,800 Speaker 3: Do you understand what I'm saying? Like, are we ever 33 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:51,160 Speaker 3: going to find out what really is happening here? 34 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:55,800 Speaker 2: No? That's why I try myself not to jump to 35 00:01:55,880 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 2: conclusions as a reporter, because I don't think, you know, 36 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:02,360 Speaker 2: too many people have an idea of what President Trump 37 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:05,560 Speaker 2: is thinking. He's done the most revolutionary thing since his 38 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:09,480 Speaker 2: you know, inauguration in January. This is the widest scale 39 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 2: interior immigration law enforcement operation that has ever taken place, 40 00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:17,760 Speaker 2: even since the fifties when Eisenhower tried it, the numbers 41 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:22,480 Speaker 2: weren't this great. So we see that that's always been 42 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:24,640 Speaker 2: the elephant in the room. You know, we talk about 43 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:27,040 Speaker 2: border security, but we never do much in the interior 44 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:30,360 Speaker 2: because making sausage isn't pretty right, You're going to end 45 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:32,600 Speaker 2: up with family units and custody and there could be 46 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:35,240 Speaker 2: children involved. And now we see the protesters and we 47 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:39,000 Speaker 2: see level of violence on the left just you know, 48 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:41,680 Speaker 2: increasing to the point that we've seen two shootings now. 49 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:46,200 Speaker 1: Breitbart News border reporter Randy Clark here on the Hammer 50 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:48,520 Speaker 1: of Nigel Show. He spent thirty two years as a 51 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:54,280 Speaker 1: border agent before joining the Bright Bar team. Randy, what 52 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:56,960 Speaker 1: go back to you mentioned Bavino, the guy that was 53 00:02:57,280 --> 00:02:59,959 Speaker 1: heading up the ice operations there in Minnesota. What was 54 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:03,320 Speaker 1: that's the point of removing him? And what was Tom 55 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:07,480 Speaker 1: Holman's role? The borders are specifically going in to that 56 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:10,840 Speaker 1: melting pod, shall we say that that boiling pod. 57 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:15,960 Speaker 2: Well, so if you remember back just a few short weeks, 58 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:19,760 Speaker 2: Greg Bavino is he's a tactician. He's he's a swat 59 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:22,440 Speaker 2: team member for the Border till the bordtach folks, so 60 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:24,720 Speaker 2: he's a chief. But he was a former board tech 61 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:27,919 Speaker 2: member and still current. So he went through the training 62 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:31,520 Speaker 2: years ago but that's his mindset. He's upfront, he leads 63 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:34,359 Speaker 2: from the front, and so we saw even in La 64 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:37,200 Speaker 2: a lot of bars getting traded. He's the face of 65 00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:39,800 Speaker 2: this operation. A lot of bars get traded between him 66 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:43,600 Speaker 2: and the governor, him and Mayor Fry. And I think 67 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:46,040 Speaker 2: this was just the administration's way of saying, I'm going 68 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:47,800 Speaker 2: to tone it down a little bit and we're going 69 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:50,440 Speaker 2: to take a little bit of approach because no one's 70 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:54,119 Speaker 2: winning politically where we're at right now. So I think 71 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:56,560 Speaker 2: that was the first thing. But I think there's a 72 00:03:56,600 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 2: lot of other things going on, like today, the real 73 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:02,720 Speaker 2: use of all the Epstein files, the arrest of Don Lemon. 74 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:04,800 Speaker 2: I think there may be an attempt to change the 75 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:07,640 Speaker 2: news cycle away from this and you know, restart some 76 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:11,200 Speaker 2: negotiations where everybody can discuss it without being in the 77 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 2: lime life. That's just that's, you know, my opinion. 78 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:18,240 Speaker 3: Randy, based off of your years of experience as a 79 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:21,840 Speaker 3: border agent. I believe you spent thirty two years as 80 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:25,799 Speaker 3: a border agent before joining Breitbart. What is it about 81 00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:31,279 Speaker 3: Minneapolis that's so different. Memphis is a very liberal city, Washington, 82 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:34,320 Speaker 3: d C. Is a very liberal city. You saw a 83 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:37,839 Speaker 3: few protests, but you didn't see this. What is different 84 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:39,200 Speaker 3: why Minneapolis? 85 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:44,440 Speaker 2: Well, you know, I think you have some very very 86 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:48,279 Speaker 2: active left wing politicians that are on that side of 87 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:52,239 Speaker 2: the equation. You have Tim Walls, you have Congressman Omar, 88 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:55,960 Speaker 2: you have Keith Ellison, and so these are folks that 89 00:04:56,480 --> 00:04:59,280 Speaker 2: you know, they've decided this is their alamo, this is 90 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:01,279 Speaker 2: their standard they're going to make, and they've brought a 91 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:03,880 Speaker 2: lot of people. And this resistance now, which it is, 92 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:08,200 Speaker 2: it's very well coordinated. These ice officers and border trol agents, 93 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:11,960 Speaker 2: they weren't just found haphazardly doing their job on the 94 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:14,760 Speaker 2: streets of Minneapolis. They're targeted from the second they leave 95 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:18,359 Speaker 2: that facility. They're identified. There's chat groups on signal that 96 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:20,479 Speaker 2: are following them. In a second they get out of 97 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:23,080 Speaker 2: the car, whether it's to eat lunch or it's to 98 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:26,120 Speaker 2: make an apprehension. Here come the whistles and here come 99 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:29,240 Speaker 2: the you know, frozen water bottles, and so that's that's 100 00:05:29,279 --> 00:05:33,760 Speaker 2: what's different about Minneapolis. We saw something similar in California, 101 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:37,640 Speaker 2: but it wasn't as well organized. We saw the massive 102 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 2: protests and the burning of cars in the street, and 103 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:44,200 Speaker 2: that was quick quickly quelled. And in this case, it's 104 00:05:44,279 --> 00:05:46,560 Speaker 2: just continuing on and on and on and more people 105 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:49,520 Speaker 2: are showing up to these you know, protests, which really 106 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:53,000 Speaker 2: you know, turn out to be exercises and agitation and 107 00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:57,360 Speaker 2: impediments for the officers and has resulted in a significant 108 00:05:57,400 --> 00:06:00,479 Speaker 2: number of injuries. I've never seen a period where agents 109 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:03,640 Speaker 2: get their fingers bitten off, you know, that's just something new. 110 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:06,680 Speaker 2: It's a very different, but it's very well organized and 111 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:07,560 Speaker 2: very well funded. 112 00:06:07,760 --> 00:06:11,360 Speaker 1: Where is this narrative from the mainstream media and lawmakers 113 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:14,920 Speaker 1: on the left that say that these ICE agents aren't 114 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:19,280 Speaker 1: well trained? They always talk about that. I hear them 115 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 1: say that they offer no proof. Do you have you 116 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:23,080 Speaker 1: seen any evidence of that? 117 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:27,080 Speaker 2: So I haven't seen any direct evidence of that, but 118 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:30,680 Speaker 2: I've heard some credible things that there may have been 119 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:34,559 Speaker 2: some efforts to take in long term law enforcement office. 120 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 2: Because remember they're hiring some retirees. They're even bringing some 121 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:40,359 Speaker 2: border till agents back. And I've got some folks that 122 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:42,320 Speaker 2: were in the Border troll with me that have come 123 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:44,560 Speaker 2: out of retirement. They are now working at ICE. So 124 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:47,480 Speaker 2: of course they're not going to go to an ICE academy. 125 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:51,000 Speaker 2: They've already they've already been through the Bordertroill Academy. It's 126 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:54,440 Speaker 2: very similar as far as the immigration law part is concerned, 127 00:06:54,839 --> 00:06:58,360 Speaker 2: and so they just need like a refresher on the 128 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:02,160 Speaker 2: differences in the academies. And so we may see some 129 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:05,159 Speaker 2: cops come in that have been retired or have twelve 130 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:08,320 Speaker 2: to fifteen years on the force. They lack the immigration experience, 131 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:12,680 Speaker 2: and so they may have gone through some shortened academies 132 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:15,280 Speaker 2: to pick up that portion of the law, whereas they 133 00:07:15,320 --> 00:07:17,680 Speaker 2: might have just been trained in their state penal code 134 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:22,000 Speaker 2: before they're seasoned. So that's going to play out. We 135 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:24,280 Speaker 2: may learn more about that soon. You know, from a 136 00:07:24,320 --> 00:07:26,080 Speaker 2: definitive perspective. 137 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:28,320 Speaker 3: Randy, do you think this is going to have a 138 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:32,960 Speaker 3: negative effect on Donald Trump come mid terms? Because one 139 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 3: of the things we've been talking about a lot is 140 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 3: outside of the very super liberal bubble, the blue sky crowd, 141 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:43,320 Speaker 3: the late night you know, talk show hosts, most of 142 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:47,640 Speaker 3: the country is in favor of what Ice is doing. 143 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:50,200 Speaker 3: It was a big reason why Donald Trump won. But 144 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:53,040 Speaker 3: yet sometimes you'll see a poll or a series of 145 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:55,240 Speaker 3: polls that show this is hurting the president. 146 00:07:55,320 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 2: What do you think, Well, I'll tell you what I think. 147 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:01,480 Speaker 2: I don't see any on the left coming out of 148 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:04,120 Speaker 2: the left that I would be fearful of if this 149 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 2: wasn't happening, you know, a week or two before an election. 150 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:09,920 Speaker 2: I think the new cycle is going to move from this. 151 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:12,120 Speaker 2: I think some of the video that we've seen come 152 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:14,680 Speaker 2: out from a few weeks before the shooting, you know, 153 00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:19,160 Speaker 2: it lends some credence to what these ICE officers have 154 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:23,000 Speaker 2: been going through. That's not protests. When you spitted officers 155 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:25,720 Speaker 2: and you damage their vehicles and you get involved with 156 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:28,240 Speaker 2: a weapon that way, it's not safe, it's not smart. 157 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:32,679 Speaker 2: It has no bearing on the shooting from the investigative standpoint, 158 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:34,600 Speaker 2: but in the court of public opinion, I think that 159 00:08:34,720 --> 00:08:37,920 Speaker 2: video was very strong. So I think if you're the 160 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:40,440 Speaker 2: independent voter, and you're the one that's going to swing 161 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:43,120 Speaker 2: any elections in this cycle, you're going to look for 162 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:46,800 Speaker 2: more than just what ICE is doing to enforce laws 163 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:48,079 Speaker 2: that are on the book. I think you're going to 164 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:51,720 Speaker 2: look for a logical path forward, something perhaps that the 165 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:55,079 Speaker 2: Democrats are offering a way of doing things different, some 166 00:08:55,280 --> 00:08:59,080 Speaker 2: legislation that they're proposing and putting forward. I don't see that. 167 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:00,839 Speaker 2: I see you know, the is it in coming out 168 00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:03,360 Speaker 2: and saying, look, I'm doing these savings account for children. 169 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:08,160 Speaker 2: I've cut gas prices, We've got some investments coming into 170 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:10,920 Speaker 2: the country. I see a lot of policy issues and 171 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:14,600 Speaker 2: some plans going forth from the one side that I'm 172 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:16,760 Speaker 2: not seen on the other. There's no counter It's just 173 00:09:17,160 --> 00:09:19,600 Speaker 2: protest and attack and protest and resist. 174 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:22,680 Speaker 1: Finally, before we let you go, any updates on the 175 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:25,760 Speaker 1: I mean you mentioned the latest shooting in the new 176 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:30,440 Speaker 1: video angles from mister Pretty, the nurse that had died 177 00:09:30,760 --> 00:09:34,600 Speaker 1: while interfering with ice operations. What is the latest there 178 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:37,080 Speaker 1: in terms of the narrative and how do the multiple 179 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:38,800 Speaker 1: angles play out when you look at. 180 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:42,320 Speaker 2: It, Well, you know from a purely you know from 181 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:45,640 Speaker 2: the perspective of is this a legitimate use of force? 182 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:48,920 Speaker 2: Policy wise, from my experience in reviewing these before they 183 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:50,920 Speaker 2: get sent up the chain of command and before they 184 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:54,200 Speaker 2: get turned over to investigative agencies, that was part of 185 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:57,439 Speaker 2: my duty to put these packets together, take a cursory 186 00:09:57,559 --> 00:10:01,559 Speaker 2: look at it and say, based upon pliminary facts, facts 187 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:04,640 Speaker 2: that are available today, does this appear at face value 188 00:10:04,679 --> 00:10:09,760 Speaker 2: to be within or outside of policy? My assessment today 189 00:10:09,840 --> 00:10:12,680 Speaker 2: is the shooting was within policy all day long, because 190 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:15,680 Speaker 2: the Supreme Court protects the officers to the extent that 191 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:19,000 Speaker 2: a regular citizen might not have protection in the use 192 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 2: of force, because we expect that of them. They risk 193 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:25,200 Speaker 2: their lives, so it merely has to be reasonable. So 194 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:28,559 Speaker 2: the shooting can be deemed totally unnecessary. If we find 195 00:10:28,559 --> 00:10:31,240 Speaker 2: out that that was in fact Preddy's gun that was 196 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:34,600 Speaker 2: taken away from the scene seconds before he was shot, 197 00:10:35,240 --> 00:10:38,680 Speaker 2: that can still happen, and the shooting may have been unnecessary. 198 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:41,600 Speaker 2: He may not have posed the threat that the officer believed. 199 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:44,640 Speaker 2: But if the officer's belief is deemed to be reasonable 200 00:10:44,679 --> 00:10:47,240 Speaker 2: based upon what he knew that he couldn't see with 201 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:49,560 Speaker 2: all the hands that were going on, and another officer 202 00:10:49,679 --> 00:10:54,040 Speaker 2: yells gun, gun, gun, it's more than likely going to 203 00:10:54,080 --> 00:10:56,560 Speaker 2: be ruled to justify shooting. And we don't want our 204 00:10:56,600 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 2: cops to take a position of it's not worth it 205 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:01,920 Speaker 2: for me to intervene to save your life if I'm 206 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:03,719 Speaker 2: going to go to prison and my kids can't get 207 00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:07,040 Speaker 2: through school and I lose my house. And that's why 208 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:09,640 Speaker 2: those protections are there. We have a lot of expectations 209 00:11:09,640 --> 00:11:11,800 Speaker 2: that they're going to intervene and step up, and so 210 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:13,640 Speaker 2: the people that are calling for them to get thrown 211 00:11:13,679 --> 00:11:16,880 Speaker 2: in jail, are calling him murders. Guess what if you 212 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:19,000 Speaker 2: call in a robbery, They're not coming quick. They're going 213 00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:21,040 Speaker 2: to wait to bring a body back for you. And 214 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:23,000 Speaker 2: I don't want to live in that kind of a society. 215 00:11:23,320 --> 00:11:26,560 Speaker 1: Find his excellent work rightbart dot com, Bright Bar Newsborder 216 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:29,040 Speaker 1: reporter Randy Clark. Have a great weekend, Randy. We'll talk 217 00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:29,680 Speaker 1: to you again soon. 218 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:31,400 Speaker 2: Absolutely, thank you, gentlemen.