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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Hammer and Nigel Show, did it right?

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Speaker 1: We got a feud here? Is this a few between

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Speaker 1: Piers Morgan and Candace Owens or is this as a

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Speaker 1: result of Candace Owens meeting with Charlie Kirk's widow, Erica

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Speaker 1: Kirk behind closed doors after the things that Candace Owens,

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Speaker 1: a political flamethrower, talking head influencer on the Internet, has

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Speaker 1: been saying that, you know, Turning Point USA at a

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Speaker 1: part in Charlie Kirk's death, Erica was somehow involved in it,

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Speaker 1: Israel somehow involved in it? What are we looking at here? Hammer?

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Speaker 2: A little bit of both? Yeah, if we're being honest,

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Speaker 2: I feel like Here's Morgan knows what Candace Owens has

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Speaker 2: been doing, but I also feel like he thinks she's

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Speaker 2: full of crap. So handass Owenson went on with Piers

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Speaker 2: Morgan and we've got a couple different clips here and

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Speaker 2: will let you guys be the judge of how this

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Speaker 2: plays out. Here's the first one.

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Speaker 3: So when you say that somebody at Turning Point USA,

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Speaker 3: Charlie's company was complicit in his murder, who who was?

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Speaker 4: I believe that there were multiple people at Turning Point

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Speaker 4: who are as I have said many times. My exact

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Speaker 4: words aren't they are engaged in a cover up of

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Speaker 4: what happened to Charlie on that day? But who was

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Speaker 4: involved in I didn't say that they murdered Charlie.

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Speaker 3: You said were complicit in his murder.

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Speaker 4: No, My exact sentence that I said was that there

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Speaker 4: were people at Turning Point who are engaged in a

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Speaker 4: cover up. I believe, orally.

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Speaker 3: Can you didn't say that, you said literally were? You

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Speaker 3: said there were people at Turning Point complicit in his murder?

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Speaker 2: That's what you said, now, Nigen. No, you don't watch

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Speaker 2: as much classic television as I did growing up, But

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Speaker 2: there was an Old Brady Bunch episode where Greg Brady

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Speaker 2: wanted to go by exact words, and if his exact

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Speaker 2: words said something, that's what we were going with. Interesting,

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Speaker 2: And I feel like Candace Owens is trying to pull

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Speaker 2: that crap too. We know what she's talking about, we

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Speaker 2: know what she's trying to say, but she's trying to

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Speaker 2: tell Piers Morgan, well, technically I said this, No, we

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Speaker 2: know what you meant. Here's a little more.

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Speaker 4: I believe that there are people at Turning Point who

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Speaker 4: are engaged in covering up what happened on that day,

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Speaker 4: engaged in.

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Speaker 3: The planning of the murder of Charlie Kirk.

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Speaker 4: I wouldn't know how it was planned. Apps, I can't

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Speaker 4: make that. I cannot confidently make that statement. I can

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Speaker 4: say confidently that I know they're engaged in the cover

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Speaker 4: up because I've been investigating what happened on that day

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Speaker 4: and what transpired thereafter. I've been clear. I've named those

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Speaker 4: people on my show. I've said they are engaged in

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Speaker 4: the cover up, and I've listed the lies.

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Speaker 3: So you don't have.

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Speaker 4: To try to make something out of what I didn't say.

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Speaker 4: I tell you what I think. It's already controversial. We

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Speaker 4: don't need to get more controversial.

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Speaker 3: Okay.

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Speaker 4: Do I think someone at turning Point pulled the trigger? No, obviously,

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Speaker 4: I don't think someone turning Point.

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Speaker 3: Did anybody turning Point? Did anybody a turning Point, in

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Speaker 3: your opinion, know that Charlie Kirk was going to be murdered?

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Speaker 4: There is specifically two people at Turning Point USA, and

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Speaker 4: I have communicated that information to Erica and Justin Streith

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Speaker 4: that I would not be surprised if they had for

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Speaker 4: knowledge of Charlie Kirk being assassinated.

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Speaker 3: You have any evidence, I'm.

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Speaker 4: Not going to name I am not going to name

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Speaker 4: those people, okay, because it's not right for me to

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Speaker 4: name those people until I know for a fact.

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Speaker 3: That did you give the names? Did you give the

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Speaker 3: names to Eric?

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Speaker 2: Yes, so you gave the names to Erica Kirk. You

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Speaker 2: go on your big time podcast. Now, when we say podcast,

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Speaker 2: some people think, oh, these are two guys in their

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Speaker 2: basement with no reach. Candice Owen's podcast huge.

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Speaker 1: It's massive, it's one of the top ones.

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Speaker 2: She goes out there with that, but then acts like, oh,

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Speaker 2: by the way, I can't tell you anything, Well, then

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Speaker 2: you probably shouldn't put it out there. Let's see, let's

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Speaker 2: see how this whole thing plays out.

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Speaker 3: You really did I gave the names to Erica of

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Speaker 3: two employees, current employees at Turning Point, who you believe

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Speaker 3: were involved in the preparation for the murder of Charlie Kirk.

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Speaker 3: Is that what you're saying.

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Speaker 4: I told them that if if I were in your shoes,

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Speaker 4: these would these would be two employees that I would

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Speaker 4: look further into.

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Speaker 3: What evidence do you have that they had any prior

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Speaker 3: knowledge of the murder?

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Speaker 4: Because I don't have concrete evidence is the reason why

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Speaker 4: I'm not naming them.

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Speaker 3: So you're you're telling the widow that these two people

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Speaker 3: may be involved in the murder, but you see.

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Speaker 4: The prob the evidence for it is people that they

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Speaker 4: there is not concrete evidence. It's like you're trying to

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Speaker 4: get me to say something that I never said and

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Speaker 4: then asking me to defend it and actually go to

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Speaker 4: you're asking me privately, did I communicate to them that

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Speaker 4: I think you should look further. That's called an investigation, Piers.

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Speaker 2: So you're telling Erica Kirk, the widow of Charlie, these

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Speaker 2: two people may have known something, but I've got no

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Speaker 2: evidence to back it up. What kind of crap is that?

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Speaker 1: And then it goes back to the question we had

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Speaker 1: yesterday or whenever we were talking about it this week.

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Speaker 1: Why would Eric Kirk meet with her? You know, there

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Speaker 1: was some behind closed door meeting for a few hours.

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Speaker 1: I think it lasted. I wouldn't have met with her

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Speaker 1: at all, and I don't. Kennice Owens is a flame doer.

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Speaker 1: She's very talented, very specific in her thoughts, very just

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Speaker 1: a just a great communicator, very smart, huge audience, but yeah,

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Speaker 1: like her, and she used to work for The Daily

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Speaker 1: Wire where right, and then her and Ben Shapiro got

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Speaker 1: sideways over Israel, right, and so she's out on her

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Speaker 1: own now. I don't know, man, I just think, yeah,

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Speaker 1: going to ericat Kirk and saying, hey, you might want

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Speaker 1: to take a little of these guys. I don't have

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Speaker 1: any evidence, but I just you know, just do your

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Speaker 1: own What is Erica Kirk going to do an investigation?

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Speaker 2: Right? So let me ask you this, Nige, And this

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Speaker 2: one may hurt a little bit because I know how

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Speaker 2: much you feel about one of these people who's had

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Speaker 2: a bigger fall from Grace in terms of the conservative

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Speaker 2: media movement, Candace Owens or Tucker Carlson.

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Speaker 1: Either. Candace by far more than Tucker talks to people,

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Speaker 1: talks to controversial people, people that he's interested in. The

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Speaker 1: reason people are mad at Tucker is because he's flipped

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Speaker 1: on his opinions about Israel. He thinks the war in Gaza,

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Speaker 1: he thinks it's it's the United States, It's the Israel, Boston,

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Speaker 1: the United States around. And I don't think he used

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Speaker 1: to have those thoughts. And I think that's the reason

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Speaker 1: why I don't have a problem hit with him talking

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Speaker 1: to guys like Nick when Tez it was an interesting

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Speaker 1: conversation when he.

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Speaker 2: Comes out and says, tonight, what I've been told is

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Speaker 2: that the president's going to be talking about war with Venezuela.

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Speaker 2: And nothing came close to that last night.

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Speaker 1: That I don't know if that was There's no way

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Speaker 1: that was planned. Who what congressman was he he said,

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Speaker 1: he said, he said he heard from two congressmen that

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Speaker 1: you know, yeah, Trump's gonn announce a war with the

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Speaker 1: Venezuela with a Democrat congressman. I mean, yeah, so that

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Speaker 1: kind of made him look foolish unless they're playing, you know,

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Speaker 1: maybe he's playing three D chess with Trump and Trump

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Speaker 1: is manipulating that whole narrative.

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Speaker 3: I mean, who in.

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Speaker 1: Their right mind believes Trump wants to go to war,

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Speaker 1: boots on the ground with Venezuela. That Trump is anti war,

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Speaker 1: Trump doesn't like war. Trump is trying to end wars.

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Speaker 1: And I know we've gotten into a different area than

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Speaker 1: what we first started talking about, but that's just my point.

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Speaker 1: Like Trump is not going to put boots on the

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Speaker 1: ground in Venezuela, right, I'm with you.

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Speaker 2: I just I mean, he's the he's making president Yeah,

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Speaker 2: unless you're trying to bring drugs on a boat and

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Speaker 2: he will blow your ass to hell.

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Speaker 1: And I know he dropped a bomb or two in Iran,

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Speaker 1: but those that got those guys in line pretty quick