WEBVTT - Mac & Bone Show - Tom Luginbill Interview 

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<v Speaker 1>We are the champions, my friends. And we'll keep on

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<v Speaker 1>fighting till the end. We are the champions.

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<v Speaker 2>Sports Radio 92.7 WFNZ. Mack and Bone with you here. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>we may not be champions ourselves, Bone. But according to

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<v Speaker 2>the great Tom Lugenbill, we do get up and start

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<v Speaker 2>working in the champion's hours, baby.

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<v Speaker 3>Hold on.

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<v Speaker 4>Speak for yourself. I told you I won that bowling

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<v Speaker 4>title when I was 10. Okay, I forgot about that one.

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<v Speaker 4>Forgot about that one. So you are a champion. We

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<v Speaker 4>rise in the champion's hours, baby.

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<v Speaker 2>Those are early morning hours when the real champions get

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<v Speaker 2>their workday started. Tom Lugenbill is one of those champions.

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<v Speaker 2>And he joins us here from ESPN. He joins us

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<v Speaker 2>to talk some college football. Lugz, how have you been, man?

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<v Speaker 3>What's going on?

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<v Speaker 5>I've been good, guys. My question for T-Bone, was that

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<v Speaker 5>bowling tournament at 6.30 in the morning?

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<v Speaker 3>No, it was in the afternoon, yeah. Oh, okay.

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<v Speaker 5>They got him.

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<v Speaker 4>I also had an average of about 30 and some

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<v Speaker 4>kid had about 120, so I did nothing for the team.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm not even sure, Tom, how you would think that

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<v Speaker 4>a great athlete like me wouldn't have time to.

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<v Speaker 3>Be bowling at a young age, but I guess I

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<v Speaker 3>was for some reason. All sports, Boney. All sports. You're

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<v Speaker 3>the Jim Thorpe of youth athletes in Winston-Salem. All right.

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<v Speaker 3>Jim Dork. All right, Lugz. Hey, Lugz. It was good

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<v Speaker 3>to hear you on the call.

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<v Speaker 2>The Duke-Georgia Tech game this week. I want to start

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<v Speaker 2>by asking you about Duke and their game against North Carolina.

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<v Speaker 3>Shepard is... listed as questionable.

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<v Speaker 2>You could tell he was banged up in that game,

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<v Speaker 2>got bottled up a bit by his standards in a

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<v Speaker 2>run game, but still had almost 200 yards total offense.

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<v Speaker 2>What do you think about the Duke-UNC matchup?

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<v Speaker 5>Well, they got to get him healthy because the entire

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<v Speaker 5>offense runs through him. And with the amount of carries

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<v Speaker 5>that he takes, the amount of shots he's taken, you're

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<v Speaker 5>going to get banged up. It's a long season. But

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<v Speaker 5>I think what the good side to Duke, and I

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<v Speaker 5>know there's never a good side to losing, but they

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<v Speaker 5>haven't had to rely on the passing game. They've been

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<v Speaker 5>trying to build up the passing game with a bunch

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<v Speaker 5>of new faces out wide while they've been able to

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<v Speaker 5>rely heavily on Nate Shepard. And if they can't do

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<v Speaker 5>that this week, you know, Walker Eget's going to have

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<v Speaker 5>to play and play well, and they're going to have

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<v Speaker 5>to create some of the explosives that may not be

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<v Speaker 5>there on the ground to through the air. And so,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, North Carolina, it's interesting because if you watch

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<v Speaker 5>that game the other day, the first half, they couldn't

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<v Speaker 5>stop the run. The second half, they completely shut down

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<v Speaker 5>the run. And so, you know, which defensive side for

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<v Speaker 5>North Carolina arrives is And how healthy, if he goes,

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<v Speaker 5>is Nate Shepard. That changes the game for Duke. I think, obviously,

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<v Speaker 5>it would give advantages to North Carolina. But that was

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<v Speaker 5>a big win for North Carolina, particularly how they won

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<v Speaker 5>it and the resiliency and the perseverance they had to

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<v Speaker 5>show to get that thing into the fourth quarter and

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<v Speaker 5>come up with a big explosive play to change the

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<v Speaker 5>game and ultimately win the game. I think it's going

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<v Speaker 5>to be a very evenly matched game. I would not

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<v Speaker 5>be surprised one bit. If that thing goes into the

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<v Speaker 5>fourth quarter is a one possession game.

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<v Speaker 4>How much more comfortable does Belichick appear in year two

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<v Speaker 4>at the college level? And how much is the way

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<v Speaker 4>this heels team plays resembling a Belichick type team when

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<v Speaker 4>we think of it that way?

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<v Speaker 5>Well, it's so glaringly obvious when you watch them, how

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<v Speaker 5>much better organized they are, right? They, you know, they,

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<v Speaker 5>Last year, it was very sloppy, very undisciplined. The players

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<v Speaker 5>they thought they had weren't the players they actually had.

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<v Speaker 5>The offense was in disarray. At times, they showed enough

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<v Speaker 5>flashes defensively where you said, OK, there's some foundational pillars

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<v Speaker 5>there that you can build upon. But now when you

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<v Speaker 5>watch them, there's an organization and a rhyme and a

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<v Speaker 5>reason and Uh, and I think a lot of that

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<v Speaker 5>comes from Bobby Petrino on the offensive side of the

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<v Speaker 5>football because he, he's, you know, they, is Billy Edwards

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<v Speaker 5>a great player? He's a great player. Is he an

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<v Speaker 5>improvement over a year ago?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes.

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<v Speaker 5>Do I think that they can win with him as

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<v Speaker 5>long as he protects the football? Yeah. Because they're, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>they want to run the football. That's what they want

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<v Speaker 5>to be. But, you know, eliminating a bunch of, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>discipline penalties, pre-snap penalties, uh, Penalties when you've created an

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<v Speaker 5>explosive play and then all of a sudden it gets

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<v Speaker 5>called back. Those have been so drastically minimized that, yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>I think they're starting to look a little bit more

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<v Speaker 5>like what you would expect this team to look like.

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<v Speaker 5>And again, they might be catching Duke at the right

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<v Speaker 5>time if Duke's not 100% healthy.

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<v Speaker 2>We're talking with Tom Luganville, ESPN, chatting about college football. Lugans,

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<v Speaker 2>let's go to Raleigh and NC State. Listen, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>want to act like I'm someone that doesn't appreciate what

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<v Speaker 2>Dave Doran's done there over his 14 years. There is

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<v Speaker 2>really something to be said about the consistency that they

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<v Speaker 2>have developed there. And beating the crap out of your

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<v Speaker 2>rival all the time doesn't hurt either. But this season, it's...

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I wonder if both parties could use

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<v Speaker 2>a separation. They've had this frustrating trend, Lugz, of as

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<v Speaker 2>games go on in the second half, just getting dominated

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<v Speaker 2>as the game goes on. He hasn't helped his messaging

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<v Speaker 2>to the fans in some of these press conferences. Do

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<v Speaker 2>you think it might be time for a divorce, or

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<v Speaker 2>do you feel differently?

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<v Speaker 5>Well, listen, I think no matter how long you're at

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<v Speaker 5>a place, unfortunately in this business, you know, fatigue sets in.

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<v Speaker 5>And when you are responsible for raising the expectations of

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<v Speaker 5>what the program's capable of, which he is, and then

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<v Speaker 5>you don't meet the standard of the expectation and you've

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<v Speaker 5>been there for a long, long time, you know, that's

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<v Speaker 5>when all the criticism and the doubt and the fatigue

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<v Speaker 5>starts to set in and you become a little bit

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<v Speaker 5>of a victim of what you've built. And I think

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<v Speaker 5>the criticism this year is fair. I think Dave Doran

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<v Speaker 5>would tell you it's fair. They They came into the

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<v Speaker 5>season with maybe one of the best schedules that you

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<v Speaker 5>could possibly ask for. Despite the opener, even despite the

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<v Speaker 5>disastrous end to the Vanderbilt game, everything was still right

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<v Speaker 5>in front of them because they don't play Miami, they

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<v Speaker 5>don't play Clemson, and they don't play SMU on the schedule.

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<v Speaker 5>So you're sitting there and you're looking at it and

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<v Speaker 5>you're going, okay. And then guess what? They go out

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<v Speaker 5>and they beat Louisville. So now you're saying– this team's

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<v Speaker 5>rate where they wanted to be four weeks ago, but

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<v Speaker 5>nobody's looking at it like that. And then you go

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<v Speaker 5>out and, and you're right about the second half of, of,

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<v Speaker 5>of the weight game. I mean, at one game, I

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<v Speaker 5>think CJ Bailey at NC state was 16 of 17.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>They're, they're, they're, they're leading. It's a tight back and

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<v Speaker 5>forth game. And then wake forest just comes out in

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<v Speaker 5>the second half and completely dominates the football game. And

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<v Speaker 5>I think that's, what's most disappointing because they, The players

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<v Speaker 5>in the nucleus that you need to have to win,

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<v Speaker 5>I think, are there. They have not played exceptionally smart.

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<v Speaker 5>They have not, I don't think, made the inroad defensively

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<v Speaker 5>that they thought they were going to in terms of

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<v Speaker 5>getting off the field on third down and limiting explosive plays,

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<v Speaker 5>which was a problem for them a year ago. And so, yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>are we to a point where you have to start

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<v Speaker 5>asking those questions? Of course, I think we are. It's fair.

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<v Speaker 5>It's the nature of the business. Dave Doran knows that.

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<v Speaker 5>The entire athletic administration knows that the question is, and

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<v Speaker 5>I hate to say this because it's the same question

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<v Speaker 5>that they're asking down in Tallahassee is do they have

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<v Speaker 5>the money?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah. Lose one of the biggest store. I should say

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<v Speaker 4>the biggest story locally. And one of the biggest stories

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<v Speaker 4>nationally is the rise of wake forest here in 2026.

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<v Speaker 4>What has impressed you the most about the job that

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<v Speaker 4>Jake Dickard has done and how high is the ceiling

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<v Speaker 4>for this Deke's team?

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<v Speaker 5>Well, first of all, he's obviously done a phenomenal job

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<v Speaker 5>in player identification and evaluation through the portal of the

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<v Speaker 5>guys for Wake Forest. Doesn't mean they could be the

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<v Speaker 5>right guy for Syracuse or the right guy for Cincinnati

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<v Speaker 5>or North Carolina, but for Wake Forest... He has found

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<v Speaker 5>the right nucleus of players. And then they're so vastly

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<v Speaker 5>improved at quarterback from what they were a year ago.

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<v Speaker 5>The thing about them that impresses me the most is

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<v Speaker 5>they don't beat themselves. It's hard enough to beat somebody

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<v Speaker 5>else when you're going out there and you're, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>pulling 10 penalties a game or eight penalties a game

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<v Speaker 5>and you're turning the ball over two or three times.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, you make it really difficult to win. They

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<v Speaker 5>don't put themselves in that position. They are as consistently

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<v Speaker 5>steady as outside of Miami or probably more so than

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<v Speaker 5>any other team in the ACC right now, I think

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<v Speaker 5>it's been a phenomenal job of getting a team to

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<v Speaker 5>not only play hard but execute at a high level.

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<v Speaker 5>And maybe the most important thing they've done, and this

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<v Speaker 5>goes back to last year, is college football, with the

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<v Speaker 5>talent being dispersed the way that it has been, everybody's better, right?

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<v Speaker 5>There really are no more gimmies on the schedule because

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<v Speaker 5>everybody can compete at a higher level because others can't

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<v Speaker 5>stockpile players anymore. And so what does that mean? That

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<v Speaker 5>means that more often than not, and you guys can

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<v Speaker 5>check it out at the end of every Saturday night,

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<v Speaker 5>go look into the box scores and look at how

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<v Speaker 5>many one possession games are being played. At the end

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<v Speaker 5>of the game, it's 31-28. It's 35-31. It's 24-21. This

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<v Speaker 5>is all across college football. Well, guess what Wake Forest

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<v Speaker 5>has done? They win one possession games. And it's not

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<v Speaker 5>an easy thing to do, and it's not an easy

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<v Speaker 5>thing to carry over either, and they've done that from

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<v Speaker 5>last year to this year.

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<v Speaker 3>That's a great point. No, that is.

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<v Speaker 2>And how many times do you hear the analytics folks

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<v Speaker 2>in football nfl they say it a lot oh they

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<v Speaker 2>won so many close games last year that'll you know

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<v Speaker 2>that's not guaranteed to happen again they found a way

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<v Speaker 2>to do it i love the way geo's playing he's

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<v Speaker 2>so much fun to watch in that offense Um, I'll

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<v Speaker 2>tell you who's been fun to watch the last two weeks. Um,

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<v Speaker 2>Lenore sellers, uh, before that, not so much and Gamecock

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<v Speaker 2>fans weren't enjoying watching them, but I feel like the

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<v Speaker 2>last two weeks has been damn good, especially against Florida.

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<v Speaker 2>Sounds like Beamer challenged him in front of the team.

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<v Speaker 2>What do you think of this Gamecocks team? Can they

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<v Speaker 2>like finish the season strong? Can what they did against

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<v Speaker 2>Florida kind of be a springboard for them? Or are

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<v Speaker 2>you skeptical if they can sustain this the rest of

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<v Speaker 2>the season?

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<v Speaker 5>That's the thing I want to see them string it

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<v Speaker 5>together for two or more weeks in a row, because

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<v Speaker 5>they too have been a team that has found ways

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<v Speaker 5>to lose games. You know, you, when you have back-to-back

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<v Speaker 5>weeks where you're up 17, nothing, 16, nothing, you lose

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<v Speaker 5>both of those games. That's the, that takes a toll

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<v Speaker 5>on your locker room. It takes a toll on your

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<v Speaker 5>psyche and your confidence. And, and that impacts the quarterback

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<v Speaker 5>probably than anybody else. But again, you, You know, Florida

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<v Speaker 5>goes into that game, turns the ball over three times.

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<v Speaker 5>Guess what? South Carolina didn't. You know, guess what? South

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<v Speaker 5>Carolina didn't just beat themselves up with penalties. So a

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<v Speaker 5>lot of it has to do with can you carry

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<v Speaker 5>over that consistent error-free level of football? Because I think

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<v Speaker 5>we've seen that talent-wise they can compete with anybody they

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<v Speaker 5>play with on the field. But if you self-destruct and

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<v Speaker 5>you allow people to linger and hang around, it's really

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<v Speaker 5>tough to compete at a high level.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, Lugz, you are the man.

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<v Speaker 2>You've got Utah and Colorado this week. If you find

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<v Speaker 2>in the hotel bar, if you find one of Colorado's coaches' playbooks,

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<v Speaker 2>please return that to Coach Prime. Don't let that get

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<v Speaker 2>out there to the opponent this week.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, I'll tell you what. They scored on the first drive,

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<v Speaker 5>so I don't know how much of a difference it mattered.

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<v Speaker 5>I'll tell you another thing, guys. I'll tell you another thing.

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<v Speaker 5>Utah is the real deal.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, man. They are.

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<v Speaker 5>Holy smokes.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you think it's possible they're the best team? I

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<v Speaker 3>was kind of wondering.

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<v Speaker 2>I know they haven't played a big opponent yet, but

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<v Speaker 2>could they be the best team.

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<v Speaker 3>In the conference?

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<v Speaker 5>I think they are the best team in the conference.

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<v Speaker 5>I know right now they're ranked number 11. I would

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<v Speaker 5>put them at 7 or 8 or 9. I think

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<v Speaker 5>that every component to their football team is really, really strong.

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<v Speaker 5>And Morgan Scali, first-year head coach, done a great job.

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<v Speaker 4>Also, why does Mac assume you're at the hotel bar, Wuggs?

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<v Speaker 4>That's not right, is it?

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<v Speaker 5>Say that again. I didn't hear you.

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<v Speaker 4>Mac assumes you're at the hotel bar. That's not right.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, you shouldn't be assuming the coaches for the team

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<v Speaker 5>should be at the hotel bar. You should definitely be

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<v Speaker 5>assuming I'm at it.

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<v Speaker 2>I figured you'd be there. I figured you'd be there.

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<v Speaker 2>That is a fair point about the coaches, though. Coach

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<v Speaker 2>Prime seemed very not bothered that one of the coaches

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<v Speaker 2>left the playbook before the Texas Tech game in a

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<v Speaker 2>hotel bar.

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<v Speaker 3>Wouldn't you just be bothered if your coach was in

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<v Speaker 3>the bar? I don't know. There could be something there.

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<v Speaker 2>Anyway, Luke, have a good broadcast of that one this week,

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<v Speaker 2>and great to catch up with you, man.

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<v Speaker 3>We appreciate you.

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<v Speaker 1>We will, guys.

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<v Speaker 5>Appreciate you, too. Have a good rest of the week.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks, folks.

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<v Speaker 3>Be good. There you go, Tom, Luke, and Bill.