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Speaker 1: We are back. It is another edition of Colts Corn

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Speaker 1: with myself, Kevin Bowen, Eddie Garrison across the way, and

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Speaker 1: we are coming at your Monday morning after the Colts

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Speaker 1: have lost now six straight games and officially eliminated from

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Speaker 1: the playoffs. I guess on Saturday evening, and this pot

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Speaker 1: will be maybe a little different than our usual Monday pod.

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Speaker 1: We'll still, you know, go over the game itself and

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Speaker 1: what I liked, what I didn't like, and then definitely

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Speaker 1: want to hit the big picture stuff, because no point

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Speaker 1: ignoring the elephant in the room. I get why people

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Speaker 1: are curious about it. Certainly I am as well. And

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Speaker 1: who knows what could happen a week from today when

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Speaker 1: it is Black Monday across the NFL. If they bring

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Speaker 1: everybody back at you, do they just use the same

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Speaker 1: letter they used last year?

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Speaker 2: I would hope not.

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Speaker 1: Maybe just change a few words, like it's you know,

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Speaker 1: you taking your buddy's assignment back at Decatur Central High School?

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Speaker 2: Uh no, you see, it was the other way around.

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Speaker 2: People were taking my assignments.

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Speaker 1: Of course. Yeah, I should have clarified that, so I'll

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Speaker 1: get to that. I know. Some Twitter questions also hit

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Speaker 1: on the big picture stuff. But we'll go over the

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Speaker 1: Chris Ballard, you know, Shane Stike and combo there. But yeah, overall,

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Speaker 1: game wise, Eddie, just I guess you go back to

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Speaker 1: Saturday and just wild frankly, you know, you go back

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Speaker 1: to two thousand. I was looking this up. There's been

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Speaker 1: ninety six teams that have started eight and two, and

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Speaker 1: the Colts were the first, the first to have not

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Speaker 1: made the playoffs. And you look at a stat like

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Speaker 1: that since two thousand, of course, from twenty to twenty nineteen,

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Speaker 1: you know, you only had six playoff teams in each conference.

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Speaker 1: You know, since twenty twenty, of course, the Ballard era

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Speaker 1: and a little bit of the Stiking era has benefited

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Speaker 1: from the additional playoff team. And yet that didn't matter

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Speaker 1: this year. You couldn't even get to Week eighteen with

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Speaker 1: your playoff chances still available. And it is definitely a

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Speaker 1: two way street. You know, the Colts got little to

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Speaker 1: no help at all. It is wild how little help

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Speaker 1: they got. But they also did none of their part

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Speaker 1: in trying to whatever recover from the sinking ship that

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Speaker 1: I guess is still sinking. Six straight losses, seven of eight.

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Speaker 1: I want to say the Raiders maybe the only team

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Speaker 1: that I was a longer losing street currently in the NFL.

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Speaker 1: Maybe I have to double check that, but pretty pretty

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Speaker 1: ugly and yesterday, Yeah, I think it largely went. I

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Speaker 1: think how you would expect it in the sense of

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Speaker 1: Jacksonville controlled that game. I know it might not have

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Speaker 1: indicated that scoreboard throughout, but you know, you look at

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Speaker 1: the yardage total at the end of the game, they

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Speaker 1: really were in control. Its just a matter of time

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Speaker 1: before the scoreboard indicated that. It eventually did. Kind of

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Speaker 1: a wild little sequence there at the end of counting

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Speaker 1: Cat and Mouse and Riley Leonards Tailmary when the balls

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Speaker 1: in the air, I thought to myself, I had a chance.

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Speaker 1: Alex Paris is down there somewhere right, but cannot run

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Speaker 1: underneath it. So Colts now will head to Houston and

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Speaker 1: we'll see. I assume it'll be Raley Leonard, but we'll see.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I think was it Schefter Rapp report that had

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and yeah, I think it might have been one

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Speaker 1: putting him out there in a game setting, there's some hesitancy.

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Speaker 1: Now we'll see if another week if that clears up

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Speaker 1: any because technically there's only three quarterbacks around. Brett Reppan

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Speaker 1: mean there's a possibility. Rather Leonard is your Week one starter,

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Speaker 1: to go very well for him, given the defense you're

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Speaker 1: still I think it'd be beneficial for him to experience that,

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Speaker 2: Two teams, by the way, have a longer losing streak

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Speaker 2: than the Indianapolis Colts. You had one of them, correct,

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Speaker 2: is it Cardinals? Yes, Raiders have lost ten, Cardinals have

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Speaker 1: Yeah, crazy, crazy, crazy crazy.

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Speaker 2: Let's briefly dive into the game in terms of what

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Speaker 2: you did not like, Kevin, starting with the offense. You

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Speaker 2: and their lost to Jacksonville.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we're back to the Seattle game. It's just a

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Speaker 1: it's an archaic offense. And I guess let me throw

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Speaker 1: in the caveat the Philip Rivers story is awesome. It's

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Speaker 1: of it. We're gonna look back on it five to ten,

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Speaker 1: that was cool as long as you don't realize the

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Speaker 1: current playoff dro out. The cults are in. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's a hell of a story. Now NFL reality is

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Speaker 1: Friday Night Lights, Permian has met the Dallas Carter. It

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Speaker 1: just he just looked his age and again they sprinkled

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Speaker 1: in some good Not going to deny that. But when

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Speaker 1: I say a dinosaur offense, Eddie, basically I mean this.

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Speaker 1: You average three point seven yards per play on Sunday.

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Speaker 1: That would be the third fewest in the stike and era.

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Speaker 1: The second fewest was the Seattle game two weeks ago.

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Speaker 1: So with Rivers, in the three games, you've been three

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Speaker 1: many plays did Trevor Lawrence make with his legs yesterday?

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Speaker 1: A ton a ton of plays. And again I'm not

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Speaker 1: talking about just the natural actual scrambling of Lawrence scoring

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Speaker 1: have been picked off on a few occasions. Obviously, you

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Speaker 1: So yeah, just a dinosaur offense. That's where you're at

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Speaker 2: I had a number two that you did not like

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Speaker 2: from yesterday's loss. The Sauce injury seemed to reaggravate that

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Speaker 1: You know, I always thought the Jacksonville game was a

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Speaker 1: game that'd be circled for his return, Eddie, But I

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Speaker 1: guess I assume the Colts would practice more than one

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Speaker 2: And comparatively speaking, Jacksonville still practiced on Christmas.

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Speaker 1: I'm not necessarily love and loving that. You know, when

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Speaker 1: the first half yesterday, and that was when Sauce played.

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Speaker 1: And then the second half he leaves, I believe in

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Speaker 1: watch him. Mean, you obviously watch the Pacers on a

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Speaker 1: this way about Lance Stephenson. Lance Stevenson, that man faked

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Speaker 1: more injuries than my kids fake crying. And it was like,

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Speaker 1: stan Van Gundy that says the ball has healing powers.

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Speaker 1: As soon as you touch the ball, all of a sudden,

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Speaker 1: everything in your body feels better. So I'm watching Sauce yesterday,

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Speaker 1: Now again, is that just like natural body language or

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Speaker 1: is that real? And you know he ends up getting

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Speaker 1: the calf there. So I mean, obviously injuries have played

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Speaker 1: into this, Eddie, it's the sole reason. But it is

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Speaker 1: wild that the on field impact of this trade. Ady

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Speaker 1: Mitchell did more for the Jets and Sauce Gardner did

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Speaker 1: for the Colts. Like, that's just amazing. And again, injuries

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Speaker 1: have obviously played into it. Boy, Yeah, three and a

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Speaker 1: But man, do you need him big time next year

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Speaker 1: maybe either he's lost a step or isn't the best

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Speaker 1: big time here so early, and we'll get more in

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Speaker 1: the Sauce straight because I feel like it's just a

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Speaker 1: popular topic. When we're getting into the evaluation of the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the final thing to cover what you not what

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Speaker 2: you did not like. I thought they did a good

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Speaker 1: How do you not love it? I mean, how do

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Speaker 2: I mean, you saw what Jacksonville did after those two returns.

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Speaker 2: turn around with their head coaches, and I think there's

433
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Speaker 2: an element that all those guys have that I don't

434
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Speaker 2: know if Shane Syken has is Denver as well. Their

435
00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:04,200
Speaker 2: head coaches all have a little bit of a hole

436
00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:07,159
Speaker 2: in them, like they're not afraid to rip some dudes.

437
00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:12,359
Speaker 2: They have a very very high standard in which they're

438
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Speaker 2: wanting their players to play at, and practice at, and

439
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Speaker 2: prepare at. And I don't think from what we've seen

440
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Speaker 2: so far in the Shane Stikeen era as the head coach,

441
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Speaker 2: that we have seen that out of these Colts teams.

442
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I can hear where you're coming from. You certainly

443
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Speaker 1: don't get the public a hole. From a media standpoint

444
00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:33,439
Speaker 1: in sideline, you don't really see the either. Yeah, I mean,

445
00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:35,840
Speaker 1: you definite see energy and passion, but you know, from

446
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Speaker 1: an undressing standpoint, it's maybe the officials it's never right,

447
00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:41,760
Speaker 1: you know, from a player. I guess we want to

448
00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:44,080
Speaker 1: look there. You know, granted, I don't know how much

449
00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:47,400
Speaker 1: of the you know, sideline undressing you see towards players

450
00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:51,840
Speaker 1: around the league. You know, all kind of settle back

451
00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:55,359
Speaker 1: on my general stichen thought wearing the head coach hat,

452
00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:57,480
Speaker 1: and look, you're gonna look at the playoff field that

453
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Speaker 1: addy of fourteen teams, and you'll probably see a split

454
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Speaker 1: of offensive play callers and head coaches versus CEOs. I

455
00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:06,159
Speaker 1: would have to do the math, but it'll probably be

456
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Speaker 1: pretty even in terms of that. But I think at

457
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Speaker 1: times he does lose the pulse of his entire football

458
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Speaker 1: team or not acknowledge it as consistently seven days a

459
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Speaker 1: week as it needs to be.

460
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Speaker 2: Right now that number is at six, It could go

461
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Speaker 2: to seven, depending on Carolina.

462
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so seven would be half of it. So yeah,

463
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Speaker 1: it just and I think that's a difficult thing to

464
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Speaker 1: maintain when your offensive unit needs so much damn attention.

465
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Speaker 1: You know, it's not like you have a quarterback over

466
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Speaker 1: there that all of a sudden is consistent or whatever,

467
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Speaker 1: trustworthy or you know, I guess Daniel Jones was for

468
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Speaker 1: a couple of months, but that's it. And even the

469
00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:48,280
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones thing, he's still new to this offense, and

470
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Speaker 1: there's just a lot of you know, baby in Frankly,

471
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Speaker 1: I don't know if that's the right word, but I

472
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Speaker 1: would use there. Okay, I guess as we transition to

473
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Speaker 1: the Ballard Stichen big picture debate, let's just go over

474
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Speaker 1: all the basics here before we get going. Last division

475
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Speaker 1: titles twenty fourteen. I believe it's twenty five teams have

476
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Speaker 1: won a division since you last won one, and every

477
00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:14,359
Speaker 1: team in the AFC South has won one multiple times.

478
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Speaker 1: Your last playoff win is twenty eighteen. I believe that

479
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Speaker 1: number is twenty two teams have won a playoff game

480
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Speaker 1: since you last have and that number could be added

481
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Speaker 1: to Chicago, Carolina, Denver, Pittsburgh and then your last playoff trip.

482
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Speaker 1: If Carolina were to win, I think it's only the

483
00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:36,160
Speaker 1: Jets and the Falcons would have a longer playoff drought

484
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Speaker 1: than you currently have. That would be five years. So again,

485
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Speaker 1: those are the kind of hardcore elements to it. And

486
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Speaker 1: I'll point out what I said earlier. I think what

487
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Speaker 1: gets lost in some of the historical data, Eddie, like

488
00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:54,280
Speaker 1: when you look at you know again since two thousand,

489
00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:59,840
Speaker 1: blah blah blah, we've added an additional playoff team. That's huge.

490
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Speaker 1: You went from six to seven. That's big when we're

491
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Speaker 1: talking about sixteen teams, a third wildcard spot. That's how

492
00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:08,399
Speaker 1: they made it in two thousand. Two thousand was the

493
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Speaker 1: third wildcard team. You were the seven seed taken on

494
00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:13,240
Speaker 1: Buffalo there in that round one, and that's how you

495
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Speaker 1: would have made it this year.

496
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Speaker 2: Of course.

497
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Speaker 1: You know, I think another thing on the I guess

498
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Speaker 1: the ballard side of it. It's now the second late

499
00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:24,840
Speaker 1: season collaps you've had with two different head coaches, So

500
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Speaker 1: how much of that is GM based roster base however

501
00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:36,639
Speaker 1: you want to slice it there, and again eliminated before

502
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Speaker 1: week eighteen now for the second straight year. That I

503
00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:44,399
Speaker 1: think also kind of adds to it. So you know,

504
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Speaker 1: I'm trying not to just kind of throw in the

505
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Speaker 1: towel in the ballard conversation. But like I mean, Eddie

506
00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:55,360
Speaker 1: I said on this very pod last year, after Week

507
00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:59,560
Speaker 1: seventeen he should have been fired. So yeah, here I

508
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Speaker 1: am saying the same thing like it just and I

509
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Speaker 1: guess my first question would be, this, are we evaluating

510
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Speaker 1: nine years of Chris board or one year.

511
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Speaker 2: I think you have to evaluate the entire thing, the

512
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Speaker 2: entire body at work.

513
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Speaker 1: Right, Well, then there's no debate, right, So that to

514
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Speaker 1: me is a lost like if it and I agree

515
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Speaker 1: with you, I guess the answer my own question. But

516
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Speaker 1: if it's a nine year evaluation, there's no debate, now, okay?

517
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Speaker 1: Is it If it's the one year evaluation? What do

518
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Speaker 1: we say? Injuries are an excuse, vowed excuse?

519
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I can't hear you out on that, right.

520
00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:44,679
Speaker 2: Look at San Francisco. I mean Kittle went down, party

521
00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:48,280
Speaker 2: went down, They Bosa went down. Like they've had Warner, dude,

522
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Speaker 2: Fred Warner. They've had dudes go down, right, and they've

523
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Speaker 2: been able to replace all of them in fine production.

524
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Speaker 1: Again, I don't think it's the most egregious of the

525
00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:01,239
Speaker 1: nine Ballard seasons. But yes, I would largely agree on

526
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Speaker 1: the I don't think it's a valid excuse. Where I

527
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:08,879
Speaker 1: do have a little bit of pause is this, And

528
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Speaker 1: again I'm probably shifting hats here from my own opinion

529
00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:14,560
Speaker 1: of what the cults will do. Carli Ersa. Gordon used

530
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Speaker 1: the eye word this offseason. We don't have many words

531
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Speaker 1: to go off of. We have no actions really to

532
00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:22,359
Speaker 1: go off of with her or very few, I should say,

533
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:25,480
Speaker 1: but we don't have many words either. But she mentioned injuries.

534
00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:28,800
Speaker 1: You know, you can't commit to anything because you don't

535
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Speaker 1: know how seasons will unfold. What if injuries happened, well,

536
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Speaker 1: injuries have happened. Is that her out on this of

537
00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:44,600
Speaker 1: running a back? And then the biggest AREI pause in

538
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Speaker 1: the carli ersa Gordon. Element of all this is the trade,

539
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Speaker 1: and I think you could slice and dice the trade

540
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Speaker 1: on several levels. When you make a trade of that magnitude,

541
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Speaker 1: you obviously are saying we think Sauce Gardner is an

542
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Speaker 1: elite all Pro player at a premium position, etc. Etcetera, etcetera.

543
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:09,200
Speaker 1: But that is just one little I could argue that's

544
00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:12,760
Speaker 1: one third of the trade. The other two chunks of

545
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:16,800
Speaker 1: the trade are you're indirectly saying Daniel Jones is our

546
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Speaker 1: quarterback of the future. You're indirectly saying Chris Bout and

547
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:26,040
Speaker 1: Change Sichin are our decision makers of the future. You

548
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:31,040
Speaker 1: basically are handing them contract extensions without handing them contract extensions,

549
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 1: if that makes sense. That trade had three very key

550
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:36,760
Speaker 1: elements to it. Even though the flashy one is just

551
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:39,400
Speaker 1: the two first round picks and eighty Mitchell for sass Gardner.

552
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Speaker 1: And so that's where I go back on this trade.

553
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Speaker 1: And I think we've gotten into this in the last

554
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:47,160
Speaker 1: couple of pods, but Eddie and I probably haven't had

555
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:53,639
Speaker 1: this conversation. Hindsight can get really twenty twenty on moves

556
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:58,000
Speaker 1: always does you know sports fans, sports analyst, etcetera, etcetera.

557
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:01,800
Speaker 1: But you know, I remember saying this in the time

558
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:05,919
Speaker 1: that trade happened. The fact that you committed to Daniel

559
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 1: Jones in the manner you did by making that trade, yep.

560
00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:11,640
Speaker 1: The fact that you committed to Chris Ballard and Shane Steichen.

561
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:15,439
Speaker 1: Now again you could admit you're wrong, but let's just

562
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Speaker 1: talk about it in that world. The fact that you

563
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:24,120
Speaker 1: committed to them was such a massive trade, in my opinion,

564
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:28,040
Speaker 1: was beyond premature. M h Is the Sauce Gardner trade

565
00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:29,920
Speaker 1: available three hundred and sixty five days out of the year.

566
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Speaker 2: Of course not.

567
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:34,440
Speaker 1: There's actually a real trade deadline, so it couldn't be available,

568
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:38,120
Speaker 1: you know, in late November and December. But Eddie, I

569
00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:40,160
Speaker 1: think back every Thursday, my mom and I we would

570
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:42,360
Speaker 1: go to the grocery growing up. She taught the same

571
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:43,920
Speaker 1: elementary school that I that I went to. It we

572
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:47,720
Speaker 1: go to the grocery store and I know which isles

573
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:49,480
Speaker 1: I could pick out a candy bar from and which

574
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:52,320
Speaker 1: isles I couldn't pick out a candy bar from. And

575
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:56,560
Speaker 1: oftentimes it was, you know, maybe a little cheap. Maybe

576
00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 1: we're going to Bazuka gum. There's no, there's no problems

577
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 1: with Bazooka. No, no, it trust me for eight year old,

578
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:05,960
Speaker 1: definitely not. But I wasn't getting big lead chew every week,

579
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Speaker 1: I guess to answer the question, so does that you know,

580
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:19,240
Speaker 1: does that mean you miss out on potentially whatever, acquiring

581
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:22,760
Speaker 1: a player like Sauce Gardner. Yeah, perhaps it does. But

582
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:25,080
Speaker 1: that's also the reality of the bad the bed that

583
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:28,120
Speaker 1: Chris Ballard had made himself, or the crew that Daniel

584
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:35,280
Speaker 1: Joneses had. Like before Halloween, you said that Daniel Jones

585
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:38,959
Speaker 1: was your franchise quarterback for X amount of years. Before Halloween,

586
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 1: you said Chris Vauer deserves multiple years, even though his

587
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:51,560
Speaker 1: resume said what at that point? And I think that's where, honestly, big,

588
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:55,800
Speaker 1: big picture, that's a little worrisome. I think that Carlier

589
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:57,720
Speaker 1: say Gordon greenlight. I get there's a lot of people

590
00:29:57,720 --> 00:29:59,320
Speaker 1: out there to say, hey, it's about time you push

591
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:03,240
Speaker 1: your chips in the middle table. Darn right. Okay, that's fine,

592
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:06,800
Speaker 1: but it's also not just a Madden video game. There

593
00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 1: are some ramifications when you make a trade of that magnitude,

594
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 1: and unfortunately we're seeing it. When you make a trade

595
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:16,640
Speaker 1: like that, you put so much pressure on the individual player.

596
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:20,360
Speaker 1: Anytime there's a three for one, four for one, however

597
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:23,960
Speaker 1: you want to slice it trade, there's so much on

598
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:26,960
Speaker 1: that player to where when Sauce only plays three and

599
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:32,120
Speaker 1: a half games, the magnitude of the trade just carries

600
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:35,480
Speaker 1: so much more weight. So again, that's what kind of

601
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:39,800
Speaker 1: gives me pause in this eddie of like, wait a minute,

602
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:43,840
Speaker 1: if she greenlighted that trade, she's going back on our

603
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:48,920
Speaker 1: word two months later. Now, you and I have had

604
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:51,800
Speaker 1: this debate before, and in our market we compare the

605
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:53,920
Speaker 1: Pacers and the Colts a whole lot. Yeah, I would

606
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:56,400
Speaker 1: say one of the more brilliant moves Kevin Pritchard ever

607
00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:58,720
Speaker 1: made as PACER's president was admitting he was wrong and

608
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:03,120
Speaker 1: Demonta Simonus Miles turn yep. Yes, At one point did

609
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:04,000
Speaker 1: he believe that was right.

610
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:07,480
Speaker 2: He did, and the other one is getting their twenty

611
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:09,400
Speaker 2: twenty six first round pickback.

612
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:13,240
Speaker 1: Well that too. But admitting that the Sabonus Turner thing

613
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 1: was not working was a masterclass. First off, It's a

614
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 1: credit as a human being in the humility department of saying,

615
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 1: you know what, I know this is not going to

616
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 1: look good on me, but I need to admit that

617
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:30,200
Speaker 1: I'm wrong. I need to pivot. I need to try

618
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 1: and you know, build it in a different manner. And sometimes,

619
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Speaker 1: especially in professional sports, when you're those type of people,

620
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 1: pivoting before you're too stubborn enough to do so is

621
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:45,080
Speaker 1: a critical element and finding a different pathway. So would

622
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 1: that be Karly doing it right now if she were

623
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:55,720
Speaker 1: to do that and then else before we pivot to

624
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:58,000
Speaker 1: maybe a different different direction.

625
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:04,120
Speaker 2: I think. I think when you just look at the

626
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:08,479
Speaker 2: way in the total body of work of how this

627
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:12,040
Speaker 2: team has missed the playoffs, and I get there are

628
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:14,600
Speaker 2: people out there that mean be like, hey, we still

629
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 2: haven't seen what this core has been able to do yet.

630
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 2: But Mike, at the same time, we have, like I get,

631
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:23,520
Speaker 2: you want to see what all these players look like

632
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 2: when they have a competent quarterback. But Jonathan Taylor, Michael

633
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 2: Pittman Jr. Alec Pierce now Bernard rayb and Quintin Nelson,

634
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:40,000
Speaker 2: the Forest Buckner, Grover Stewart, Kennymore. All these guys Zi

635
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 2: or Franklin are on their second or going on their

636
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 2: second or going on their third contracts, and it's like

637
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:50,240
Speaker 2: their careers are not just starting anymore, They're almost over.

638
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 2: And it's to the point where I think you just

639
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 2: have to tear it down to the studs and redo

640
00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:00,560
Speaker 2: the entire thing. Yeah, and I know you're not ready

641
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 2: to go there, because I know there's and I know

642
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:03,760
Speaker 2: there's fans that are not ready to go there, and

643
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 2: I totally get it. But like when you look at

644
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:09,240
Speaker 2: the way this team has missed the playoffs twenty whatever

645
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Speaker 2: it was, twenty twenty two, twenty twenty three, again this year,

646
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Speaker 2: twenty twenty one, twenty twenty one, Yes, thank you, that

647
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:18,280
Speaker 2: was the year. I was thinking, I'm not twenty twenty two.

648
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:20,080
Speaker 2: But like you look at all those years and how

649
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:22,720
Speaker 2: they missed the playoffs. Most of these guys have been

650
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 2: on the team for these collapses.

651
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:30,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, I would agree wholeheartedly with that. Again, when

652
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 1: I've heard people like when you ask the question why

653
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 1: would you bring ballad back for a tenth year, it's

654
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 1: met with like, well, it's not an ideal time to reset.

655
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 1: A I don't know if there's ever an ideal time

656
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 1: to reset, right, And I just don't know if that,

657
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:56,800
Speaker 1: all of a sudden means the person then deserves a

658
00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 1: tenth crack at it just because it's not a Well,

659
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:02,560
Speaker 1: who contributed to it not being an idol time to reset?

660
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 1: He did by trading away two first round picks. So

661
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:08,439
Speaker 1: like if he was sitting in his office saying, hey,

662
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:10,719
Speaker 1: if I do this trade, that means I'm good for

663
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:11,360
Speaker 1: the next couple.

664
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:12,320
Speaker 2: Of years job security.

665
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:15,239
Speaker 1: But press that button call get the Jets on the

666
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:18,320
Speaker 1: line right now. You know like that, I don't necessarily

667
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:20,799
Speaker 1: I don't follow that line of thinking now that we

668
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 1: will be healthier or see what we did before the

669
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:26,160
Speaker 1: injuries happened. That is a little bit one that I

670
00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:28,840
Speaker 1: can open my ears to now again we will be

671
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 1: healthier moving forward. You're banking on Daniel Jones coming off

672
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:36,279
Speaker 1: with torn achilles Eddie conversation we've not had because the

673
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:39,040
Speaker 1: news cycle hasn't led to it. But DeForest Buckner has

674
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:42,800
Speaker 1: seasoned nding neck surgery yep. Thirty year olds with neck issues,

675
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:47,680
Speaker 1: and Buckner has just sounded different to me this season, understandably,

676
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 1: but he sounded different about his playing feature. That's a

677
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:55,560
Speaker 1: little concerning. We'll see about ja various ward situation. You know. Again,

678
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:57,480
Speaker 1: Braden Smith, I kind of always viewed as probably the

679
00:34:57,480 --> 00:34:59,799
Speaker 1: passing of the torch there, but you know, still that's

680
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:03,719
Speaker 1: that you can't ignore. And you kind of were hinting

681
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:07,799
Speaker 1: at this, but like, is your core still ascending? The

682
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:12,399
Speaker 1: core hasn't won, but is the core still like arrow

683
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 1: pointing up? And let me just throw out a few

684
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 1: players and I don't think they all deserve to be

685
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 1: in the same category, to be clear, but a few

686
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 1: players that I don't look at and think, hmmm, that

687
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:27,399
Speaker 1: wasn't a very Pro Bowl type of season. And they've

688
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:29,040
Speaker 1: had some of those in their careers or they have

689
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:32,759
Speaker 1: had better seasons, Sire Franklin yep. Kenny Moore, the second

690
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:37,799
Speaker 1: Michael Pittman Jr. Is all of it, arrow pointing up

691
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:41,360
Speaker 1: for all of them. Again, it's a group that's largely

692
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:47,879
Speaker 1: getting older, and so that's where I have some more

693
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 1: pause to it all And again you know, you can

694
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:55,640
Speaker 1: play the injury card to a degree. But I mean,

695
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:59,080
Speaker 1: what's Kansas City saying about their quarterback? What's Cincinnati is saying

696
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:03,319
Speaker 1: about their quarterback? What's Baltimore saying about their quarterback? I mean,

697
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 1: you got three teams are gonna be sitting on the

698
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 1: outside of the playoffs, I guess, so Baltimore misses it,

699
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 1: and you know it could be Mahomes, Burrow and Jackson.

700
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 1: You know, think those three teams can be knocking on

701
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 1: the playoff door next year.

702
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 2: Right, So I just.

703
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:20,800
Speaker 1: Look, does Chris deserve some credit for trying some different things? Yeah? Sure,

704
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:25,040
Speaker 1: but does that mean you're rewarded? You know, this isn't

705
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:28,920
Speaker 1: Max Bones tried to vegetable, so then he gets a treat?

706
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:32,279
Speaker 1: You know, I think it's a little different from that

707
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:38,520
Speaker 1: aspect of it. So yeah, that's pretty much all I've got.

708
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 1: What would I do?

709
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:43,239
Speaker 2: There's one other thing I want to toss in, Like

710
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:46,480
Speaker 2: the overarching issue during the Vallid era has been being

711
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:49,400
Speaker 2: able to get to the quarterback and you know, distruct

712
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:53,320
Speaker 2: the quarterback and rush the quarterback. And we're sitting here, Kevin,

713
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 2: We're debating are they going to bring back Daniel Jones.

714
00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:58,799
Speaker 2: What's the contract look like? What's the contract look like

715
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:00,880
Speaker 2: for alb Pearce those you are going to absorb so

716
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 2: much of the cap space they have this offseason, they're

717
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:05,480
Speaker 2: not going to be able and they don't have a

718
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 2: first round pick. They're not going to be able to

719
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:13,480
Speaker 2: find an adequate replacement on the edge to find consistent pressure.

720
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:16,600
Speaker 1: Well, and let's take that step further, and I'm glad

721
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 1: that you brought up that element to it. Okay, let's

722
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:21,480
Speaker 1: say injuries are a valid excuse just to play out

723
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:25,440
Speaker 1: this game. Then if I'm the powers that be over

724
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:27,479
Speaker 1: there making the next decision, I say, Okay, let's push

725
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:29,759
Speaker 1: this season to the side. Let's look at the other

726
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:33,239
Speaker 1: eight years. Then let's call injuries the reason why this

727
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:36,440
Speaker 1: train derail. Okay, let's look at the other eight years.

728
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 1: All right, what's the hardcore evidence of those eight years

729
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:42,480
Speaker 1: to a playoff appearances, one playoff wins, zero division titles.

730
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 1: And then let's look at the specific blueprint and the

731
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 1: position group that you just brought up. There's no position

732
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:52,480
Speaker 1: group he's believed in more than the defensive line. I mean,

733
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 1: you look at the investments, the draft picks, the trades,

734
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:59,360
Speaker 1: the money, and yet I would argue, year in and

735
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:01,880
Speaker 1: year out, we've gotten to the end of the season

736
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 1: and said, the return on investment is nowhere near what

737
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:08,959
Speaker 1: you've put into that group, specifically the edge rush. Yeah,

738
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:11,359
Speaker 1: you know, if you really want to boil it down

739
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:14,840
Speaker 1: to one aspect to it, and I think that's where

740
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:16,920
Speaker 1: even if you want to play the injury card here

741
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:20,319
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty five, fine, if you then remove that

742
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:23,440
Speaker 1: year and look at the other eight years or and

743
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:26,480
Speaker 1: or I should say, you look at the exact defensive

744
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 1: a line specific blueprint, you know, whatever section of the

745
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:35,480
Speaker 1: binder that he's been so bullish on. It's just a

746
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:39,920
Speaker 1: group that has lacked so much playmaking, so much playmaking.

747
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:40,440
Speaker 2: Mm hm.

748
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:43,880
Speaker 1: And again you I mean we've gone over the draft

749
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:47,320
Speaker 1: picks a million times. First rounders, second rounders, third rounders,

750
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 1: go lower, money, go lower into that group, huge trades,

751
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:55,400
Speaker 1: and it's gotten you where it's gotten you. So what

752
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 1: would I do? First off, I don't think there's a

753
00:38:57,040 --> 00:39:02,840
Speaker 1: great answer. I don't think change Stikeen is like this

754
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:05,360
Speaker 1: untouchable head coach. I get that, you know, you know

755
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:06,680
Speaker 1: a lot of people that I think a lot of

756
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:09,799
Speaker 1: people fall in love with like the offensive element to him,

757
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:11,680
Speaker 1: which is important. I don't want to lose sight of that.

758
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 1: But they kind of forget the head coaching hat. I'd

759
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:18,800
Speaker 1: probably hire a new GM that evaluates siking. You trust

760
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:21,400
Speaker 1: that person to make the call on him. They can

761
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:23,560
Speaker 1: make the call on him as early as this cycle

762
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:26,920
Speaker 1: if they would like to. You know, you hire GM

763
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:29,359
Speaker 1: in the first what ten days of the offseason, and

764
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 1: then you got plenty of time still with teams in

765
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:33,400
Speaker 1: the playoff race to make a head coaching change. You

766
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 1: can point to who's the last head coach hired last year?

767
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:39,759
Speaker 1: Was it not Liam Cohen? And look where they're at?

768
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:40,320
Speaker 2: Yeah?

769
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 1: I mean, hell, didn't Liam Cohen gets the Jags GM fired?

770
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:45,319
Speaker 2: Yeah?

771
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 1: Didn't he do that?

772
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 2: Right? Did he?

773
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:48,480
Speaker 1: Out of want trim bal Key? And they got the

774
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:49,480
Speaker 1: young dude in there pretty much?

775
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:50,200
Speaker 2: Yeah.

776
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:56,719
Speaker 1: So now I'm a little like, boy is stiking? This

777
00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:58,399
Speaker 1: gets to the point that you were making earlier, Adie,

778
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:01,280
Speaker 1: like can the head coach to recreate a culture?

779
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:02,560
Speaker 2: You know?

780
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:06,799
Speaker 1: Like that? That is where I probably paused a little

781
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:08,480
Speaker 1: bit at it. And I've looked I'm talking out of

782
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 1: both sides of my mouth because I've largely been a Hey,

783
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:13,600
Speaker 1: you need the head coach and GM tied together. Now

784
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:16,799
Speaker 1: you can point some instances, you know, Chicago this year.

785
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:23,240
Speaker 1: Of course, of that not being the case, I would

786
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:28,000
Speaker 1: certainly move on from some vets. And you know, if

787
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:30,239
Speaker 1: you think Daniel Jones deserves an opportunity to try and

788
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:34,319
Speaker 1: prove himself, that's probably your best option, right to see

789
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:37,120
Speaker 1: if Shane Styken can continue to build on what Jones

790
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 1: was showing.

791
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:40,359
Speaker 2: When was the last time we had the head coach

792
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:44,000
Speaker 2: in place and a GM hired and there was success?

793
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:46,600
Speaker 1: Well, Chicago this year.

794
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:49,799
Speaker 2: But but yeah, Bowles is going It's not often I

795
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:50,239
Speaker 2: missed that.

796
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:52,560
Speaker 1: Wait say that again.

797
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:56,040
Speaker 2: You mean the GM where the GM was fired and

798
00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:56,960
Speaker 2: the head coach was.

799
00:40:57,280 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 1: Oh got you got you got you gotcha? Sorry, I

800
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 1: totally misheard that. Yeah, I mean you don't have that.

801
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:05,279
Speaker 1: You don't have that happened very often. I thought it

802
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:07,799
Speaker 1: should have happened in Tennessee with Rabel stayin, I guess

803
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 1: Rabel and what's his name, John Robinson?

804
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:13,400
Speaker 2: Right? And Ran karth On or it initially happened in

805
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:15,480
Speaker 2: that realm, and then I thought Rabel's.

806
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:18,160
Speaker 1: I thought Ben john or not Ben Johnson.

807
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 2: I thought John Robinson was the first to go yeah,

808
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:23,040
Speaker 2: and then I thought it more towards the end of

809
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:25,759
Speaker 2: Rabel's you know tenure there it was him and the

810
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:27,800
Speaker 2: owner than him and the GM.

811
00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:31,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, and who knows, but again you do. There's not

812
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:35,120
Speaker 1: a lot of precedent for it. But like I, it's

813
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:37,640
Speaker 1: just weird to do the nine years in the three

814
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 1: years of Ballard and Psychon, it's difficult, I think to

815
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:47,480
Speaker 1: evaluate them individually. You know, how how many times do

816
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 1: you think in the last twenty years, Addie, we've had

817
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:50,759
Speaker 1: a coach missed the playoffs the first three years and

818
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:56,719
Speaker 1: get a fourth year. Yeah, I don't know the answer

819
00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:56,920
Speaker 1: to that.

820
00:41:57,239 --> 00:41:57,839
Speaker 2: I don't either.

821
00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 1: I'm mask on all seriousness, and I the quarterbacks he's had,

822
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:03,960
Speaker 1: I'm kind of thinking, well, I mean, twenty five and

823
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:05,960
Speaker 1: twenty five is not a horrific record, But you know,

824
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 1: then there's there's birds in the other shoulder that are

825
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 1: like Kevin, he's two and nine against the Texans and

826
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:16,439
Speaker 1: the Jags. That's awful and arranged marriage ain't gonna work.

827
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:20,719
Speaker 1: M hm. So I like if I was gonna make

828
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 1: like a chart, Okay.

829
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:25,759
Speaker 2: It also is pretty well that we could have two

830
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 2: teams this cycle keV where they're looking for a GM,

831
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:31,480
Speaker 2: but not a head coach.

832
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:35,479
Speaker 1: Well, and I'm curious about Sunday Night. What happens there

833
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:38,120
Speaker 1: is that gonna be the big domino. The loser of

834
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:42,839
Speaker 1: Sunday Night Football is gone Harball or Tomlin? Because right now,

835
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:45,880
Speaker 1: aren't we missing the big domino? Aren't we missing the

836
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:48,560
Speaker 1: big name? Who's Ben Johnson? Who's Jim Harball from the

837
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:49,120
Speaker 1: college ranks?

838
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:51,600
Speaker 2: Would that be Joe Brady for Buffalo?

839
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 1: Right, but like Joe Brady's not talked about like Ben Johnson.

840
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 1: That's true. You know, it seems like we're missing a

841
00:42:56,800 --> 00:43:00,640
Speaker 1: the big candidate and the be the big surprise comeback

842
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:06,839
Speaker 1: with Mike McCarthy. Yeah, but yeah, the Hardball Tomlin thing

843
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 1: I think is interesting if you see something there. Okay,

844
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 1: let's play this out before we get Twitter questions. Both

845
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:19,440
Speaker 1: go both stay, GM goes head coach days head coach goes,

846
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:21,920
Speaker 1: gmstays Did I just say that.

847
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:26,360
Speaker 2: I don't know, said a lot of things. For me,

848
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:27,080
Speaker 2: both would go.

849
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:32,400
Speaker 1: I would rank it as GM goes head coach stay

850
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:39,560
Speaker 1: one A. Yep, I'd say both go one B. I

851
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:46,920
Speaker 1: would drop to seventeen on the list for GM stay

852
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:47,960
Speaker 1: head coach.

853
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 2: Go boy, can you imagine if that happened?

854
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 1: And then I dropped to eighteenth on the list? Both stay?

855
00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 2: Can you imagine if that happened?

856
00:43:57,120 --> 00:44:01,719
Speaker 1: Though? No, I dead now. I can't believe I even

857
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:02,319
Speaker 1: said that out loud.

858
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:05,719
Speaker 2: I can't believe that was not ninety nine? Well, I know,

859
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:09,200
Speaker 2: and how is that? I mean, how is both Sayingshold?

860
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:10,879
Speaker 1: We're not counting in ninety nine just yet?

861
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:13,440
Speaker 2: So that's probably why. Yeah, what are we counting to

862
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:14,200
Speaker 2: these days?

863
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:19,279
Speaker 1: Actually, Rosie Rosy can count decently high. Maxwell's a little

864
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 1: bit different on that end. All right, anything else, Ballard Stike?

865
00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:26,320
Speaker 2: In big picture, I can't think of anything.

866
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:28,279
Speaker 1: You cannot just write the same letter as last year.

867
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:30,799
Speaker 1: I can't believe you're not good. It's just changing a

868
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:34,440
Speaker 1: few words. How great would that be? Oh gosh, they

869
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:36,279
Speaker 1: just published the same one. Would you laugh?

870
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 2: It just changed it from jim Mercey to car the

871
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:41,799
Speaker 2: daughters or the URSA girls, or however they want to

872
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:42,600
Speaker 2: phrase it.

873
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:45,560
Speaker 1: Now, let's go ahead and play all this out right.

874
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:49,880
Speaker 1: We got a normal week right here, Sunday, one o'clock

875
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:53,080
Speaker 1: in Houston. Last year, correct if I'm wrong, we had

876
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:54,839
Speaker 1: the emotional postgame locker room.

877
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:56,480
Speaker 2: Remember that I do remember that.

878
00:44:56,719 --> 00:44:59,480
Speaker 1: The We're one to oher and twenty twenty five, I

879
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:03,120
Speaker 1: believe the quote from Jim Mersey. Yep, Colts beat Mac

880
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 1: Jones and the Jags in overtime. The letter was then

881
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:09,120
Speaker 1: published what a couple hours later, and I'm thinking like

882
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:12,239
Speaker 1: a six or seven o'clock if I remember proply, so

883
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:16,960
Speaker 1: we await that Monday will be locker room clean out.

884
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:20,799
Speaker 1: I think Carl Ursa Gordon's planning to have some sort

885
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:23,840
Speaker 1: of state of the union, but I don't know a

886
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:26,759
Speaker 1: wait official ward. Typically Ballad talks to media a few

887
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:28,759
Speaker 1: days after that stike in the first day after So

888
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:30,359
Speaker 1: here we are.

889
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:32,960
Speaker 2: Eddie, Yes, here we are, Kevin. Let's get into Twitter

890
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:35,959
Speaker 2: questions starting with Drew. I know this is premature because

891
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 2: I'm sending this to you during the game, but would

892
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:42,319
Speaker 2: you say not finishing in the second half is the

893
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:46,200
Speaker 2: indictment for Shane Steichen. I feel as though he is

894
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:51,520
Speaker 2: a fantastic coordinator but has nobody to tell him that

895
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:55,520
Speaker 2: what he's doing is not working. The scripted stuff is great,

896
00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 2: but after the second half it drops off significantly. Reminds

897
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:01,320
Speaker 2: me a lot of Frank Reich.

898
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:08,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean again, I'm gonna come back to the

899
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:12,040
Speaker 1: whole two and nine against those teams. I don't want

900
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:14,839
Speaker 1: to psycho analyze Philip Rivers playing quarterback for the Cold

901
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:17,759
Speaker 1: Age forty four Drew. To be honest with you, I mean,

902
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:20,480
Speaker 1: I think you're really I think your hands are really tied.

903
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:23,880
Speaker 1: You know, I'll go back to do. I think there

904
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:25,880
Speaker 1: are some issues with that style of the head coach.

905
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:29,480
Speaker 1: I do, but again, you have a lot that are successful.

906
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:33,240
Speaker 1: I mean so in the playoffs up coming here CEO wise,

907
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:38,799
Speaker 1: it will be what Rabel Ryan's, Jim Harball, whoever wins

908
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:43,799
Speaker 1: the AFC North Sirianni Todd Bowles. I guess if they win,

909
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:47,520
Speaker 1: Mike McDonald, But then you got a lot of play callers.

910
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:49,799
Speaker 2: Is McDonald not call plays well?

911
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:54,080
Speaker 1: I mean offensively? Okay, I just view offensively a little different, man.

912
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:56,560
Speaker 1: I think you gotta have so much involvement quarterback wise.

913
00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:58,919
Speaker 2: And did you say Jamika Ryan's right?

914
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:01,840
Speaker 1: And he is? He has given up I think defensive

915
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:07,360
Speaker 1: pla Colonda Matburg he has so yeah, I just and

916
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:10,239
Speaker 1: I don't know with a GM then demand Shane to

917
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:13,440
Speaker 1: hire some sort of you know, additional you know, do

918
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:15,480
Speaker 1: you need like the assistant is there anybody in the

919
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:20,360
Speaker 1: cold staff with the assistant head coach role. Does anybody

920
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:22,800
Speaker 1: have that? I don't know, you know, you kind of

921
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:24,600
Speaker 1: see that, like Dan Campbell had that for a while.

922
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:28,000
Speaker 1: That's at some previous stops. Like is that something or

923
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:30,960
Speaker 1: is that just a just a title, you know, to

924
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 1: get that person some more money. I I you know,

925
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:38,640
Speaker 1: those are some questions that I would have. But look,

926
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:41,040
Speaker 1: I I continue to think Shane Sichon's a pretty good

927
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:43,680
Speaker 1: offensive mine. I'm not going to psycho analyze Philip Rivers

928
00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:44,600
Speaker 1: play quarterback here.

929
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:48,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is a good question from Hillary because it's

930
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:51,120
Speaker 2: something that I think I heard on I can't remember

931
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:53,120
Speaker 2: what show it was. It might have been JMV. Somebody

932
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:56,320
Speaker 2: called in and asked him this same question. But since

933
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:58,120
Speaker 2: it's our first year at the Helm, who do you

934
00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:02,680
Speaker 2: think Carly or s Gordon consults or gets input from.

935
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:05,880
Speaker 2: I know here and there the sisters can handle one

936
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:08,840
Speaker 2: hundred percent on their own. I'm just curious who she

937
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:11,359
Speaker 2: might find valuable input from.

938
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:15,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a great question. Great question. You know, there's

939
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 1: not a lot of people that have been in the

940
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:23,360
Speaker 1: Cults building that have gone you know, elsewhere around the NFL.

941
00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:27,200
Speaker 1: Now two names I would do come to mind, like

942
00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:30,880
Speaker 1: Andrew Berry, the GM with the Browns, Pete Ward. Oh,

943
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:33,440
Speaker 1: Pete Ward internally certainly, but I'm trying to think of

944
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:35,920
Speaker 1: two people that have gone elsewhere in the GM rules.

945
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:43,680
Speaker 1: Andrew Berry very very well respected, I Curler Gordon and

946
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:46,520
Speaker 1: the and the airsas mm HM. Now again that's kind

947
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:49,880
Speaker 1: of awkward. He's like an actual GM. But I don't know.

948
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 1: I mean, would what all of a sudden the Colts

949
00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:57,239
Speaker 1: trying to pry him away? I I die. Trying to

950
00:48:57,440 --> 00:49:01,279
Speaker 1: create a list of GM candidates is difficult. You know,

951
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:03,360
Speaker 1: Tom Tellsco would be the other name. I think for

952
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:05,840
Speaker 1: the most part, Colts fans probably know that name longtime

953
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:09,319
Speaker 1: Pollyon confident and then actually stayed on I think for

954
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:11,840
Speaker 1: year one of Grigson and then went to San Diego.

955
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:14,680
Speaker 1: So he was in San Diego with Stiking for a while.

956
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:17,120
Speaker 1: So if you want to do the little range marriage,

957
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:21,120
Speaker 1: I don't think it's that most It's the healthiest thing

958
00:49:21,120 --> 00:49:24,080
Speaker 1: to do in the world. But like he was the

959
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:27,000
Speaker 1: Raiders GM last year, I believe, wasn't he the Raiders?

960
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:27,200
Speaker 2: Yeah?

961
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:28,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, he charges for a decade one year with the

962
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:30,520
Speaker 1: Raiders and he's still pretty young. I want to say,

963
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:34,080
Speaker 1: he's just north of fifties. So yes, internally, Pete Ward,

964
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:37,880
Speaker 1: you know, Coeo ben here since the Mayflower move without question.

965
00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:39,840
Speaker 1: But yeah, that's interesting, you know.

966
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:42,360
Speaker 2: Because Telesco is fifty three.

967
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:47,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's still you know, very young. But Hillary, that's

968
00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:50,319
Speaker 1: that's a great question. You know, who are you confighting in?

969
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:52,680
Speaker 1: You know, is it the Dungees and Napoleons of the world,

970
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:56,040
Speaker 1: like up at that level. But again, a lot of

971
00:49:56,040 --> 00:49:58,839
Speaker 1: the GM stuff is I think it's difficult to necessarily

972
00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:01,360
Speaker 1: know what the assistant is doing in all these cities.

973
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:04,400
Speaker 1: You know, what's the assistant doing in Philly, what's the

974
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:07,680
Speaker 1: assistant doing in Kansas City. It's like it's tough to

975
00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:09,960
Speaker 1: truly know what they're doing.

976
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:13,000
Speaker 2: And from the ownership side, you have to wonder this

977
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:15,319
Speaker 2: as and I know I mentioned this about a month ago,

978
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:17,719
Speaker 2: but we don't know how things are going behind the

979
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:20,000
Speaker 2: scenes in terms of the operational side of things, with

980
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:23,320
Speaker 2: you know, the inheritance tax and taking over the franchise

981
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:25,080
Speaker 2: itself and trying to figure out how to pay that.

982
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:29,120
Speaker 2: From that perspective, like business operations and just owning a

983
00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:33,560
Speaker 2: team in general, because they've gone to the owner's meetings

984
00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:36,799
Speaker 2: for so many years now. I wonder if there's a

985
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:42,160
Speaker 2: level of respect between the Ursay daughters and Sheila Ford

986
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:47,800
Speaker 2: hamp Up in Detroit, because she also how to inherit

987
00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:49,719
Speaker 2: the Detroit Lions from her mother.

988
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:51,920
Speaker 1: Well, and when you bring up the dollars, Eddie, I

989
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:54,200
Speaker 1: think we've touched on this a few times, but you

990
00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:57,200
Speaker 1: know Sunday, ironically enough, Sunday will be the eleventh year

991
00:50:57,320 --> 00:51:03,920
Speaker 1: anniversary of your last home playoff game. And on last

992
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:07,400
Speaker 1: week's podcast when you were out, I did the list

993
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:11,200
Speaker 1: of sporting events that La Sol Stadium has held since then,

994
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:15,000
Speaker 1: or just in our market, and Eddie, financially, I mean

995
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:17,760
Speaker 1: I felt this way watching the Monday night production around

996
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:21,040
Speaker 1: that game last week. It was incredible to me how

997
00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:26,720
Speaker 1: much love and attention your franchise and your city gets

998
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:30,359
Speaker 1: when you're the standalone game. Yep, I mean it is.

999
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:34,680
Speaker 1: And I don't know how the advertising marketing, not the

1000
00:51:34,719 --> 00:51:37,879
Speaker 1: advertising dollars, but the eyeballs and the marketing and all that.

1001
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:41,879
Speaker 1: It's got to be huge for you my dollars and cents.

1002
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:43,279
Speaker 1: Same point. And look, I'm not gonna act like the

1003
00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:46,040
Speaker 1: cults are poor, but in rank of the NFL franchises,

1004
00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:49,240
Speaker 1: they're not one of the top five, top seven most valuable.

1005
00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:54,560
Speaker 1: So missing out on eleven years of that, Wow, that's

1006
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:58,480
Speaker 1: big time. And the Ers daughters, all three of them,

1007
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:02,320
Speaker 1: they've got kids as young as what five to twenty

1008
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:05,440
Speaker 1: or however the oldest you know one is for for

1009
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:08,680
Speaker 1: for Karly, twenty's a little bit too old. But what

1010
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:12,160
Speaker 1: I'm saying is they're all in formative years. They're all

1011
00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:17,440
Speaker 1: in schooling years. And Eddie, you and I just witnessed

1012
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:23,479
Speaker 1: this city come to life with the Pacers, absolutely come

1013
00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:26,479
Speaker 1: to life, the fever with that run you fever, sure,

1014
00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:31,080
Speaker 1: but the football as well, right, And I guess for

1015
00:52:31,120 --> 00:52:32,759
Speaker 1: the most part that they're you know, they're an eye

1016
00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:37,320
Speaker 1: you family and just watching all of that again that's

1017
00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:41,040
Speaker 1: that's a little bit financially, but it's just goodwill, just

1018
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:45,120
Speaker 1: to how people react to your brand. Yeah, I would

1019
00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:46,239
Speaker 1: think word of mouth.

1020
00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:48,520
Speaker 2: And the crave that the people around this state have

1021
00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:49,400
Speaker 2: for success.

1022
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:52,680
Speaker 1: Right, And like, I'm feeling a pit in my stomach

1023
00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:57,279
Speaker 1: at that game yesterday just naturally how the NFL like

1024
00:52:57,320 --> 00:52:59,840
Speaker 1: that was a really good back and forth game. Yeah,

1025
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:02,960
Speaker 1: And I'm like this game I remember coming back to

1026
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:05,360
Speaker 1: the bathroom with like five minutes ago, being like, I

1027
00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:07,239
Speaker 1: don't know who's gonna win this game, and I'd be like,

1028
00:53:07,239 --> 00:53:09,759
Speaker 1: it's a meaningless football game. You imagine like there were

1029
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:11,759
Speaker 1: stakes in this game. Mm hm, you know, I like

1030
00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:16,560
Speaker 1: that can be just such a beautiful thing for your franchise,

1031
00:53:16,560 --> 00:53:18,799
Speaker 1: for your brand, et cetera, et cetera. So I don't know,

1032
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:22,479
Speaker 1: I would. I don't think that's lost on Carly, I guess,

1033
00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:23,279
Speaker 1: is what I'm trying to say.

1034
00:53:24,239 --> 00:53:28,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, with this being the second time that the Cults

1035
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:31,640
Speaker 2: have had catastrophic breakdowns under two different coaching staffs, Frank

1036
00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:35,360
Speaker 2: Reich and Sheen Steichen, do you think that this shows

1037
00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:37,960
Speaker 2: signs that there is something wrong with the organization as

1038
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:40,840
Speaker 2: a whole or in the locker room? That question is

1039
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:41,400
Speaker 2: from Jared.

1040
00:53:41,640 --> 00:53:44,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's super super relevant. Yeah, that's kind

1041
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:48,239
Speaker 1: of what I was hinting at earlier. Great thought, Jared, certainly. Yeah,

1042
00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:50,680
Speaker 1: I mean roster building core, does it creep into your DNA?

1043
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:54,040
Speaker 1: Hell is a little bit more mental? You know? Has

1044
00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:54,440
Speaker 1: it gotten to that?

1045
00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:58,120
Speaker 2: But as they come back to the toughness, Yeah, Chris Pallard, right,

1046
00:53:58,160 --> 00:53:58,960
Speaker 2: tough guys, Right?

1047
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:01,479
Speaker 1: Did he say that. Yeah, I did the exercise Eddie

1048
00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:04,040
Speaker 1: James and I were talking about during our morning.

1049
00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:05,160
Speaker 2: Show what kind of exercise you do?

1050
00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:07,760
Speaker 1: Well, certainly nothing much physically.

1051
00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:08,719
Speaker 2: Especially during the morning show.

1052
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:11,520
Speaker 1: Well yeah, and boy, I was gonna say, the dad

1053
00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:13,680
Speaker 1: bought seems to be creeping up on me awful fast.

1054
00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:17,720
Speaker 1: I go back to the AFC South winners.

1055
00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:20,080
Speaker 2: It's all those dinosaur nuggets since.

1056
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:22,720
Speaker 1: The since the Colts last won it again eleven years.

1057
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:25,560
Speaker 1: Hear me out on this. Okay, these are the head

1058
00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:28,239
Speaker 1: coaches and quarterbacks of the teams that have won the

1059
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:31,080
Speaker 1: AFC South since the Colts last won it. Let's just

1060
00:54:31,160 --> 00:54:34,360
Speaker 1: call Liam Cohen and Trevor Lawrence the winners this year. Okay,

1061
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:38,120
Speaker 1: So again, head coach and GM. This is in reverse order.

1062
00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:40,800
Speaker 1: Liam Cohen, Trevor Lawrence. You had Demiko, Ryan C. J.

1063
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:43,760
Speaker 1: Stroud back to back years twenty twenty two, Doug Peterson,

1064
00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:46,920
Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence twenty twenty one and twenty twenty Mike Vrabel,

1065
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:50,920
Speaker 1: Ryan Tannehill. You had the O'Brien Watson eighteen and nineteen

1066
00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:55,280
Speaker 1: years seventeen Doug Marone and Blake Bortles sixteen, Bill O'Brien

1067
00:54:55,320 --> 00:54:58,480
Speaker 1: and Brock Osweiler and fifteen Bill O'Brien and Brian Hoyer.

1068
00:55:02,120 --> 00:55:04,160
Speaker 1: That list isn't including too many people you're gonna hear

1069
00:55:04,160 --> 00:55:05,240
Speaker 1: in cand Ohio one day.

1070
00:55:05,239 --> 00:55:07,479
Speaker 2: Was also they start of the entire year.

1071
00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:09,880
Speaker 1: I believe that year he got the most starts. I

1072
00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:12,440
Speaker 1: think Houston started a bunch of quarterbacks. Tom Savage I

1073
00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:15,640
Speaker 1: think started that was like the Cleveland Brown's playoff team

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00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:17,680
Speaker 1: from a few years ago. Huh when they started the

1075
00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:22,239
Speaker 1: four It the AFC South has had a nice year.

1076
00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:24,600
Speaker 1: It ain't been a Jugger or.

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Speaker 2: Not until now, but you know for ten years.

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00:55:29,239 --> 00:55:33,440
Speaker 1: You know it just it's yeah, that I think would

1079
00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:37,680
Speaker 1: add to the eleven year draught. Remember luck to Monkreef

1080
00:55:37,680 --> 00:55:41,799
Speaker 1: eleven years ago Sunday? Yes, was that Marvin Lewis and

1081
00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:42,839
Speaker 1: Andy Dalton you beat?

1082
00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:46,840
Speaker 2: Remember luck to Hakeem Nicks.

1083
00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:48,040
Speaker 1: In that game?

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00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:51,440
Speaker 2: Is that Tennessee Sunday Night football?

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00:55:51,600 --> 00:55:56,120
Speaker 1: Oh? That opening drive? Yeah, Kyle was such a great play.

1086
00:55:56,200 --> 00:55:58,640
Speaker 1: Is that when he he like rolled out to his

1087
00:55:58,719 --> 00:56:00,960
Speaker 1: left kind of voided that sack. Yeah, well, such a

1088
00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:04,040
Speaker 1: great play by Locke. Yeah, such a great play.

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00:56:04,560 --> 00:56:08,360
Speaker 2: Sorry to bring up some source spots for some Colts fans,

1090
00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:11,239
Speaker 2: but we'll try to go through these next three questions

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00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:14,680
Speaker 2: pretty quickly. Cuffs. This is from Jamie, who wrote this

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00:56:14,800 --> 00:56:17,840
Speaker 2: question at halftime of the game, because who cares? It

1093
00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:20,800
Speaker 2: seems like an expensive elite running back is a luxury

1094
00:56:20,840 --> 00:56:23,840
Speaker 2: the Colts can't afford right now. I'd move Jonathan Taylor

1095
00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:27,680
Speaker 2: and hopefully get assets to acquire upgrades on defense. The

1096
00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:31,319
Speaker 2: entire front seven needs upgraded or is aging to. Forrest

1097
00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:34,000
Speaker 2: Buckner or Grover Stewart are the two players that Jamie cited.

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00:56:34,560 --> 00:56:37,759
Speaker 2: I for one, am shot that a blue chip GM

1099
00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:41,719
Speaker 2: who prides himself on the trenches doesn't have figured out,

1100
00:56:42,320 --> 00:56:44,560
Speaker 2: doesn't have it figured out. And year number nine, I'm

1101
00:56:44,600 --> 00:56:48,879
Speaker 2: sure your ten will be it. Even Mjfield to win

1102
00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:52,359
Speaker 2: the worst division in football for a decade and had

1103
00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:55,320
Speaker 2: one playoff win or something like that. Cheers to another

1104
00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:56,520
Speaker 2: year in the middle.

1105
00:56:56,560 --> 00:57:00,759
Speaker 1: Jamie cheers. No one is safe. No one's safe. And again,

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00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:02,920
Speaker 1: I think if you do make a change like that,

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00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:05,879
Speaker 1: you need to recoup some of the draft capital. I mean,

1108
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:07,799
Speaker 1: no one in this core would be untouchable for me,

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00:57:08,520 --> 00:57:11,239
Speaker 1: you know, and let me, I guess say, nobody in

1110
00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:16,720
Speaker 1: the twenty seven and plus core. Let me reward myself

1111
00:57:16,760 --> 00:57:24,320
Speaker 1: if I can. I would listen on Nelson, So that's

1112
00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:25,280
Speaker 1: how I would.

1113
00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:26,760
Speaker 2: Doing in the final year of his contracts.

1114
00:57:27,080 --> 00:57:28,840
Speaker 1: I mean, got a lot of guys like that, which

1115
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:30,120
Speaker 1: again can be advantageous to you.

1116
00:57:30,160 --> 00:57:32,880
Speaker 2: Buckner is also in the final year of his contract, like, and.

1117
00:57:32,840 --> 00:57:35,480
Speaker 1: I'm not teams like, well, you know, throw a whatever,

1118
00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:38,560
Speaker 1: an atomic bomb on the situation. But Eddie, you could

1119
00:57:38,600 --> 00:57:41,720
Speaker 1: make a mover. Like let's just say you traded just

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00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:47,280
Speaker 1: two names, Taylor and Buckner. With Taylor and Buckner, I

1121
00:57:47,320 --> 00:57:48,880
Speaker 1: would hope you could get two picks back in the

1122
00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:50,120
Speaker 1: top sixty. M h.

1123
00:57:51,640 --> 00:57:53,320
Speaker 2: Are you going to get a top sixty pick for

1124
00:57:53,360 --> 00:57:54,000
Speaker 2: a running back?

1125
00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:58,440
Speaker 1: Well, again, some combination of it. I think you could

1126
00:57:58,480 --> 00:58:00,720
Speaker 1: get too. You could be looking at draft next year

1127
00:58:00,720 --> 00:58:03,560
Speaker 1: we have three picks in the top sixty. Would you

1128
00:58:03,560 --> 00:58:07,120
Speaker 1: like when you speak in that terms, that's a little like, okay,

1129
00:58:07,160 --> 00:58:10,720
Speaker 1: I've got some AMMO now to attempt a retool rebuild,

1130
00:58:10,720 --> 00:58:14,000
Speaker 1: however you want to define it. Again, I don't think

1131
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:16,040
Speaker 1: we need an esstarily get in that conversation just yet,

1132
00:58:16,120 --> 00:58:17,640
Speaker 1: but there you go.

1133
00:58:18,240 --> 00:58:23,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, two questions left, Josh, Hey, keV and Eddie. I

1134
00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:26,480
Speaker 2: can't help but wonder about outcomes this upcoming off season,

1135
00:58:26,640 --> 00:58:30,360
Speaker 2: including Shane Steikin's future with the Colts. I do believe

1136
00:58:30,720 --> 00:58:33,400
Speaker 2: this will be the end of the road for Ballard,

1137
00:58:33,960 --> 00:58:37,120
Speaker 2: but I'm perplexed at Steiken's future. Will he get another

1138
00:58:37,240 --> 00:58:40,280
Speaker 2: chance with a new general manager or will he come

1139
00:58:40,320 --> 00:58:44,160
Speaker 2: off the whiteboard with a cleaning of the house from

1140
00:58:44,200 --> 00:58:46,959
Speaker 2: the new owners for them to have a truly clean

1141
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:50,160
Speaker 2: slate to start their legacy. Thanks for all you do

1142
00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:53,760
Speaker 2: fighting the good fight in these o bleak weeks of

1143
00:58:53,880 --> 00:58:54,680
Speaker 2: the late season.

1144
00:58:55,360 --> 00:58:58,760
Speaker 1: Yeah again, Josh, it's hard. I mean, we're kind of

1145
00:58:58,840 --> 00:59:01,640
Speaker 1: used to it now, aren't we. Well, I was speaking

1146
00:59:01,640 --> 00:59:04,360
Speaker 1: more to his question than us having to do our

1147
00:59:04,440 --> 00:59:08,640
Speaker 1: jobs here. Oh, you know the whole stichen Should they

1148
00:59:08,720 --> 00:59:13,240
Speaker 1: just be tied at the hip? I mean, that's a

1149
00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:15,640
Speaker 1: quick conversation, I guess. But if you're going to evaluate

1150
00:59:15,640 --> 00:59:18,560
Speaker 1: them individually, you know, if I'm getting out letter grades,

1151
00:59:18,560 --> 00:59:22,120
Speaker 1: they give the Ballard era what a D minus and

1152
00:59:22,200 --> 00:59:27,720
Speaker 1: I give the Stikeen era a C minus. I mean,

1153
00:59:28,040 --> 00:59:29,800
Speaker 1: maybe both those grades are bad enough you just move

1154
00:59:29,800 --> 00:59:31,840
Speaker 1: on from both. How will Shane grow and learn? I

1155
00:59:31,840 --> 00:59:33,480
Speaker 1: think that would be the question you would have. And

1156
00:59:33,680 --> 00:59:35,280
Speaker 1: is there any GM out there that says Hey, look,

1157
00:59:35,320 --> 00:59:38,439
Speaker 1: I don't think the defensive personnel has been good enough. No,

1158
00:59:39,160 --> 00:59:41,680
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna make some tweaks there and maybe that'll

1159
00:59:41,680 --> 00:59:42,400
Speaker 1: help out the head coach.

1160
00:59:42,440 --> 00:59:43,920
Speaker 2: And I know they're good players, but you can't have

1161
00:59:43,960 --> 00:59:47,240
Speaker 2: so that much money invested in two guys at the

1162
00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:50,480
Speaker 2: middle like that. In my opinion in today's NFL, you

1163
00:59:50,520 --> 00:59:52,600
Speaker 2: like you have to have more money on the edge than.

1164
00:59:52,480 --> 00:59:54,240
Speaker 1: You do in the middle of a ballad combo. Yes,

1165
00:59:54,640 --> 00:59:56,880
Speaker 1: I would say, yes, they're part of the ballard whatever.

1166
00:59:56,960 --> 00:59:59,919
Speaker 1: Whenever we get to that point of it, it's there's

1167
01:00:00,160 --> 01:00:02,880
Speaker 1: issues in the roster building of it in my opinion.

1168
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Speaker 2: Yeah. The final question on today's pod is from Colton.

1169
01:00:07,880 --> 01:00:10,080
Speaker 2: Do you think Addie Tommy While Ada Barre could be

1170
01:00:10,200 --> 01:00:13,280
Speaker 2: a depth staple on the defensive line for years to come.

1171
01:00:13,640 --> 01:00:15,920
Speaker 2: Seems like he generates quite a bit of pressure for

1172
01:00:15,960 --> 01:00:19,120
Speaker 2: a rotational defensive tackle and has great speed. It's worth

1173
01:00:19,200 --> 01:00:21,720
Speaker 2: noting keV when you look at just the defensive line

1174
01:00:21,760 --> 01:00:25,320
Speaker 2: group in general after this season quit he played. Taekwon

1175
01:00:25,360 --> 01:00:28,680
Speaker 2: lewis a free agents. Samson Ebcom is also a free agent.

1176
01:00:28,760 --> 01:00:31,360
Speaker 2: So on the edge right now, it's just Layatu Latu

1177
01:00:31,400 --> 01:00:34,120
Speaker 2: and JC Tu Mola the underneath contract for next year.

1178
01:00:35,120 --> 01:00:38,840
Speaker 2: Neville Gallimore was assigned to a one year deal. Correct KB.

1179
01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:43,680
Speaker 2: So you've got Addie, Tommy Watta, Barre Grovers, threwer, Eric

1180
01:00:43,760 --> 01:00:46,480
Speaker 2: Johnson at the Forest Buckner. I think on the Johnson

1181
01:00:46,560 --> 01:00:50,760
Speaker 2: front underneath contract in that detackle room for next season.

1182
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that sounds like, yeah, shout out to Tommy.

1183
01:00:54,760 --> 01:00:57,120
Speaker 1: I think there's been some nice interior rushes from him

1184
01:00:57,560 --> 01:01:00,840
Speaker 1: this season. You know, he he's a guy that Yeah,

1185
01:01:00,880 --> 01:01:04,240
Speaker 1: I think as a rotational guy he definitely would have

1186
01:01:04,360 --> 01:01:08,520
Speaker 1: in the mix moving forward. You know again, I don't

1187
01:01:08,560 --> 01:01:11,840
Speaker 1: love necessarily you getting the second half there and you

1188
01:01:11,920 --> 01:01:17,080
Speaker 1: know there's no quarterback hits whatsoever. But that was another

1189
01:01:17,120 --> 01:01:19,040
Speaker 1: game where and I leaned over it, says to Mike Chapel,

1190
01:01:19,080 --> 01:01:21,320
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't know why or how I

1191
01:01:21,320 --> 01:01:23,600
Speaker 1: saw him out on the field, but I was like, gosh, man,

1192
01:01:23,640 --> 01:01:27,920
Speaker 1: another game I just kind of forget about quidty pay yep.

1193
01:01:28,280 --> 01:01:30,280
Speaker 1: I just and there's just too many of those. But no,

1194
01:01:30,360 --> 01:01:33,880
Speaker 1: I had Tommy Wise, yeah, flash and good situational rusher.

1195
01:01:33,960 --> 01:01:34,280
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1196
01:01:34,680 --> 01:01:37,520
Speaker 1: By all means you know again, depth stable, Sure, I

1197
01:01:37,520 --> 01:01:37,880
Speaker 1: know it's a.

1198
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Speaker 2: Little bit of a longer pod. We had a lot

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01:01:39,360 --> 01:01:42,160
Speaker 2: of things to cover on today. Hopefully you had a

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01:01:42,160 --> 01:01:43,840
Speaker 2: great Christmas, Kevin the kids as well.

1201
01:01:43,920 --> 01:01:48,600
Speaker 1: I appreciate that same to you and yours. We'll probably

1202
01:01:48,840 --> 01:01:51,400
Speaker 1: be it for the week. I just I don't necessarily

1203
01:01:51,440 --> 01:01:53,960
Speaker 1: think there's a need to break down the Colton Texans

1204
01:01:53,960 --> 01:01:56,520
Speaker 1: a ten point underdog, so we'll come back. I don't

1205
01:01:56,520 --> 01:01:57,840
Speaker 1: know what's going to look like next time, to be

1206
01:01:57,880 --> 01:02:00,400
Speaker 1: honest with you, but we'll be back probably Monday, probably

1207
01:02:00,520 --> 01:02:02,160
Speaker 1: later in the week, I don't know, something like that.

1208
01:02:02,320 --> 01:02:04,520
Speaker 1: Thanks for listening, Colts Corner, Kevin Bone signing off.