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Speaker 1: In nineteen eighty three, at Taylor University basketball camp, which

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Speaker 1: Ralph I thought to myself, you know what, football season,

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Speaker 1: for Ralph Reef Ralph, let's begin with this. The last

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Speaker 1: Okay, so Obi Toppins recovery, it looks as though he

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's you know, Jake.

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Speaker 4: You know, it's hard to find a place to walk.

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Speaker 2: You know, I live on Washington.

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Speaker 1: If they could just slide down that dry that dry

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Speaker 2: But all right, so Ralph, somebody.

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Speaker 1: Last last question then would be, if let's say somebody

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Speaker 2: If the pain lasts how long?

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Speaker 1: How do you know the difference between Hey, I just

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Speaker 4: It's it's the it's mainly a factor of can I

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Speaker 4: Or can I tie my shoes? And it's been it's

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Speaker 3: Part of their body.

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Speaker 1: Ralph reef dot com is the website ore ei f

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Speaker 1: F for Reef Executive Performance Solutions. Ralph, always a pleasure.

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Speaker 1: I know you've got a busy pack day today, so

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Speaker 1: squeezing us in. Always appreciate it. And if there are

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Speaker 3: Oh it's my pleasure, Jake, Thank you very much.

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Speaker 1: Ralphrief joining us on the Java House peeling poor guest line.

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Speaker 1: Tony East joins us now from of course locked on

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Speaker 1: Pacers Forbes, he's on the Java House peeling poor guest line.

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Speaker 1: Java house dot com is the website. Of course, they

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Speaker 1: also have locations where you can go into Java House

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Speaker 1: one of them Downtown Indie one and Fisher's one. And

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Speaker 1: brought uple Tony last night. Before we get to the

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Speaker 3: Big.

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Speaker 5: How many games have you missed this year? This is

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Speaker 2: Home games one or two. I'd have to think one

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Speaker 6: So they played Washington that night that like nobody could

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Speaker 5: Those very few people at that game.

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Speaker 6: That's pretty much it this season in terms of games

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Speaker 6: they were down like the whole game, right, They were

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Speaker 6: they were like three minutes left and Jay Huff does

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Speaker 5: I thought, man, people were really psyched about.

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Speaker 6: That, Like the crowd got into it, and you just

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Speaker 6: And sure enough, the guys who all did it last

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Speaker 5: Their crowd's been, Uh, for a.

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Speaker 6: Team entered the day with the worst record in the league,

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Speaker 6: I've been impressed all season by how many people are

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Speaker 1: Do you think that's because people understand there's plausible reason

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Speaker 5: So I think that's part of it.

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Speaker 6: Like the sentimental value of last season, even if the

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Speaker 6: it's very understandable why they're bad. And you know, for

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Speaker 6: Siakam is pretty comfortably the best player on all the

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Speaker 6: even though they won, played pretty well for thirty five

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Speaker 5: Like you're gonna be entertained, You're gonna see a good player.

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Speaker 6: There's a lot of sentiment to it, Like I totally

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Speaker 5: Rarely get just stumped.

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Speaker 6: Right.

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Speaker 5: They do lose a lot, obviously, but they've had.

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Speaker 6: Very few just straight up stinkers all year, so it's

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Speaker 5: I think that's good.

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Speaker 1: Okay, couple of players to I guess examine from last night.

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Speaker 2: All right, First off, and we talked about this.

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Speaker 1: But are we going to look back Tony and say

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Speaker 2: What player will that be two years.

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Speaker 1: From now that we will look back on the twenty

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Speaker 5: It's tough to pick one.

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Speaker 6: I want to pick two, but one of the two

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Speaker 5: Starting role, been asked to guard really good players quite often.

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Speaker 6: Right, maybe not the best player of the team, but

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Speaker 5: He hasn't had like a very like one.

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Speaker 6: This is the one memorable play that shows his defensive

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Speaker 5: Anything like that. And last night they go up one

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Speaker 6: Most talented score and just a flawless defensive rep. Stays

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Speaker 6: the Pacers win the game. That defensive emergence for a

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Speaker 5: And he's been healthy for a long stretch. What hadn't

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Speaker 6: They had no idea if Siaka for if he made

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Speaker 5: And of course it's no good that.

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Speaker 6: For the last i mean almost a month and a half,

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Speaker 5: You know, I don't know how you feel about this.

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Speaker 5: Some players have their shooting percentage. It is what it is.

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Speaker 6: But when a guy shoots a three, do I feel

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Speaker 5: Over fifty percent for a really long sample.

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Speaker 6: I'll cool off a little, but he's shooting awesome and

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Speaker 5: His defense has made strides basically every night.

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Speaker 6: He just looks way more comfortable and like he understands

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Speaker 6: Furfee in future seasons, or they're playing key roles for

443
00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:37,920
Speaker 6: the upcoming you know, the pacers will help great teams.

444
00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:39,720
Speaker 6: This season will be a big part of them getting

445
00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:42,200
Speaker 6: the role and experience. Why if you made me pick one,

446
00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:44,040
Speaker 6: I mean, Darris has a chance to have the ball more,

447
00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:46,800
Speaker 6: which might have more consequence for future teams. But Furfey

448
00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:49,359
Speaker 6: defense has been so so fascinating for this team recently.

449
00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:53,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know that they one of the things about Furfey,

450
00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:54,920
Speaker 1: as I was told Tony, I'm sure you've been told

451
00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:57,000
Speaker 1: the same, Tony East my guest job house peeling for

452
00:22:57,119 --> 00:23:00,640
Speaker 1: guest line when he first came out of Kansas. They

453
00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:04,399
Speaker 1: loved Furfey's defensive ability and then in addition to that

454
00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:09,560
Speaker 1: quick hands. I know that sounds weird, but and quick

455
00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:12,600
Speaker 1: release and ability to shoot the ball in rotation. But

456
00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:14,159
Speaker 1: more so I think it was his defense, and that

457
00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:16,720
Speaker 1: kind of surprised you, right, because fans fell in love

458
00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:19,439
Speaker 1: with his tomahawk, docs dunks in the Summer League, and

459
00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:22,480
Speaker 1: an occasional three point shot here and there, But defensively

460
00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:26,560
Speaker 1: they liked now Jars Walker Tony. I'm beginning to think

461
00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:28,679
Speaker 1: that Walker. I don't know if maybe like an alarm

462
00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:31,520
Speaker 1: clock went off somebody I'd used the term the fog

463
00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:34,480
Speaker 1: was starting to lift. But it almost feels like Walker decided,

464
00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:36,480
Speaker 1: you know what, if my name is going to be

465
00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:39,520
Speaker 1: mentioned in these trade deadline rumors, I'm going to go

466
00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:42,639
Speaker 1: ahead and really make a case that you've got to

467
00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:44,560
Speaker 1: take a long, hard look at moving on from me

468
00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:47,840
Speaker 1: because he looks now like a player that could be

469
00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:49,960
Speaker 1: a really nice six to seventh guy for them for

470
00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:50,560
Speaker 1: a long time.

471
00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:52,640
Speaker 2: Agreed, Yeah, one hundred percent.

472
00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:54,479
Speaker 6: I mean, if you can shoot threes and you're that size,

473
00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:57,360
Speaker 6: even if your defense is just okay, great, same thing

474
00:23:57,359 --> 00:23:59,359
Speaker 6: with Ferby, but on the opposite you can play and

475
00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:01,679
Speaker 6: he certainly seems like him and he defended well at Houston,

476
00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:03,760
Speaker 6: but he has the capability to even grow more on.

477
00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:04,560
Speaker 5: That end of the floor.

478
00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:07,960
Speaker 6: That's that's so significant for them, especially given where they

479
00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:09,480
Speaker 6: drafted him. And you know, it's funny you mentioned the

480
00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:11,040
Speaker 6: trade headline because I get to question all the time

481
00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:13,560
Speaker 6: now with him playing better, like, wow, how great for

482
00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:15,480
Speaker 6: the Pacers that Jarris Walker's up his trade value?

483
00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:16,000
Speaker 3: What do you think out?

484
00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:17,800
Speaker 5: I'm like, he's on the Pacers.

485
00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:20,400
Speaker 6: Shouldn't they be happy for them that that he's more

486
00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:22,399
Speaker 6: valuable to them than playing well? And of course it's

487
00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:25,080
Speaker 6: always good en a young player plays well in general,

488
00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:27,919
Speaker 6: but this has been I mean, they like can trust

489
00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:29,800
Speaker 6: him now, and I think that's a big thing because

490
00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:33,080
Speaker 6: when he met the volume or the volume may be

491
00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:35,760
Speaker 6: the wrong word, just how poorly his shot was at

492
00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:38,119
Speaker 6: the start the season. He couldn't make anything, especially inside

493
00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:40,359
Speaker 6: the ark. It was awful, right, They couldn't trust him

494
00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:42,920
Speaker 6: enough to finish plays, Like you know, you always wonder

495
00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:45,040
Speaker 6: if guys aren't passing you the ball as much or

496
00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:47,719
Speaker 6: what you rhythm is when you're shooting like twelve percent

497
00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:49,520
Speaker 6: from three over fifteen game stretches.

498
00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:52,000
Speaker 5: And now it's like they're really willing to give him

499
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:53,440
Speaker 5: the ball. They know he's going to make the right play.

500
00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:55,399
Speaker 5: He's not stopping it as much. A SHOT's going up,

501
00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:56,160
Speaker 5: a nice drive.

502
00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:58,399
Speaker 6: Is coming, and he's added some straight line drives to

503
00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:00,240
Speaker 6: the basket in a way that he really.

504
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:01,040
Speaker 5: It wasn't earlier in the season.

505
00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:05,320
Speaker 6: It's just so significant from a trust perspective and value perspective.

506
00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:07,160
Speaker 5: It's been huge for the Pacers that a.

507
00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:09,159
Speaker 6: Guy that they thought could be better than he was

508
00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:11,080
Speaker 6: playing is showing that he is better than he was

509
00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:11,960
Speaker 6: playing to start the year.

510
00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:14,840
Speaker 1: Does Ben Shepherd have trade value or would he if he?

511
00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:16,600
Speaker 1: And I have no reason to believe they're trying to

512
00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:19,199
Speaker 1: move him, But is he one that just kind of

513
00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:22,880
Speaker 1: falls into the Okay, it would be a salary match thing,

514
00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:23,800
Speaker 1: and that's about it.

515
00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:27,480
Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't know if it'd be overwhelmingly positive value.

516
00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:30,359
Speaker 6: Certainly not first round pick or anything of that nature.

517
00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:32,800
Speaker 6: You know, look, he's proven in two straight postseasons that

518
00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:34,760
Speaker 6: he can play on that stage, which is good and

519
00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:38,000
Speaker 6: means you're not a negative value player. And his contract

520
00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:40,639
Speaker 6: is very, very cheap because he was picked late in

521
00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:42,640
Speaker 6: the first round, so certainly not like a negative value.

522
00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:44,280
Speaker 6: They don't need to get off of his money or anything.

523
00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:46,000
Speaker 6: But you know, There's not a lot of teams that

524
00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:48,960
Speaker 6: are a Ben Shephard away from being you know, much better,

525
00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:50,919
Speaker 6: or he's the missing piece to what they're doing, So

526
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:54,800
Speaker 6: you know, a cozy second rounder might get it done.

527
00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:56,840
Speaker 6: But I mean, if I'm the Pacers and not looking

528
00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:58,680
Speaker 6: to move him, I think if he is involved in

529
00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:00,960
Speaker 6: a trade, it to what you just said, they need

530
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:03,320
Speaker 6: X amount of salary to make it work or to

531
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:06,160
Speaker 6: make it makes sense for both teams with whatever financial

532
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:08,760
Speaker 6: restrictions are in place, and he is the casualty of that,

533
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:10,560
Speaker 6: and it wouldn't be great for the Pacers.

534
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:10,520
Speaker 2: To do that.

535
00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:11,080
Speaker 5: That would hurt.

536
00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:13,760
Speaker 6: He has again been in their rotation for two straight playoffs,

537
00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:17,840
Speaker 6: but Furphy's emergence, Walker's emergence and upcoming fairly high draft

538
00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:20,119
Speaker 6: pick certainly makes it easier to move off of some

539
00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:21,160
Speaker 6: superfluous guys.

540
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:23,120
Speaker 5: If they consider him superfluous, they could do that.

541
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Speaker 3: Tony.

542
00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:26,120
Speaker 7: I'm glad you mentioned the potential of a high draft pick.

543
00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:28,960
Speaker 7: Because they're six and five in their last eleven games.

544
00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:31,440
Speaker 7: They're playing a lot better. Are they going to play

545
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:34,159
Speaker 7: their way out of having the best chance of getting

546
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:36,360
Speaker 7: a top three pick to get or even a top

547
00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:38,879
Speaker 7: four pick to get one of the big four that

548
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:41,640
Speaker 7: would be in the upcoming draft, because when you look

549
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:44,360
Speaker 7: at it, Pascal Siakam doesn't want to sit, and Obi

550
00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:46,480
Speaker 7: Toppin's going to be coming back soon, and we all

551
00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:48,520
Speaker 7: know Obi Toppin is kind of like Buddy healed and

552
00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:50,520
Speaker 7: the fact that if he's healthy, he wants to play

553
00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:52,919
Speaker 7: and not be sidelined. So are they going to be

554
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:55,280
Speaker 7: in a position now where we were talking about for

555
00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:58,680
Speaker 7: so long this season? Hey, look there's Darren Peterson, there's

556
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:00,840
Speaker 7: Aj Devandsa, there's Cameron Boozer.

557
00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:03,199
Speaker 2: To now it's just like kind of slipping away in.

558
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:05,359
Speaker 7: The hopes and dreams of one of those guys being

559
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:07,280
Speaker 7: in consideration for the Pacers.

560
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:10,359
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's gonna be interesting to see how their priorities

561
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:13,359
Speaker 6: shift and win because I mean, now, look, they'd have

562
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:15,000
Speaker 6: to win like twenty games in a row to be

563
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:16,639
Speaker 6: a playing team or so it's not maybe it's not

564
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:18,600
Speaker 6: that high, but to get to the win percentage of

565
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:20,720
Speaker 6: what the Hawks, who are tense have now, I mean,

566
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:23,600
Speaker 6: they'd have to win a number that they might not

567
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:25,200
Speaker 6: even win the rest of the season total. Right, they're

568
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:27,840
Speaker 6: not making the playoffs, so they know that they're not dumb, right,

569
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:29,520
Speaker 6: So they have to figure out when the right time

570
00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:33,359
Speaker 6: to pull the plug, evaluate the team differently. Think about

571
00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:36,360
Speaker 6: the draft, really is you know, right this second, it's

572
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:38,520
Speaker 6: like the Siakam All Star push.

573
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:42,320
Speaker 5: It's happening. They'll name the All Star reserves on Sunday, right,

574
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:44,240
Speaker 5: and then if he makes it, he's going to play

575
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:45,440
Speaker 5: through All Star Obviously.

576
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:46,320
Speaker 3: I don't think they're going to.

577
00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:48,120
Speaker 5: Shut him down soon or anything like that. But what's

578
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:49,680
Speaker 5: the right about a minute for him? He played thirty

579
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:52,000
Speaker 5: six last night. I don't think anyone thinks that's the

580
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:52,440
Speaker 5: right number.

581
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:54,359
Speaker 6: I think that's too high, right. I said that in

582
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:56,120
Speaker 6: November when you guys asked me if he was playing

583
00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:57,920
Speaker 6: too much? And I get why he's playing a lot.

584
00:27:57,960 --> 00:27:59,399
Speaker 6: They were able to come back and win because he

585
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:01,359
Speaker 6: was on the floor. But is that the best thing

586
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:03,040
Speaker 6: for their team long term? Probably not right?

587
00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:04,040
Speaker 5: So when is the.

588
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:05,800
Speaker 6: Right time to shift away from that? Is it after

589
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:07,960
Speaker 6: All Star? Is it after the trade deadline? Is that

590
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:11,359
Speaker 6: some let's pretend they acquire a player of significance at

591
00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:12,639
Speaker 6: the deadline, Well, they want to see.

592
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:13,640
Speaker 5: That player play with Siakam?

593
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:14,360
Speaker 2: Okay, how long?

594
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:16,560
Speaker 6: How much of a sample do they want to get

595
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:19,479
Speaker 6: to learn about that before they really focus on it.

596
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:22,080
Speaker 6: So they have I mentioned this earlier. They have the

597
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:24,680
Speaker 6: best player of the bad teams. Right, it's not even close.

598
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:26,720
Speaker 6: I think if you look at the inverse standings, the

599
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 6: Hornets are sixth thwarsts or seventh thwarsts, excuse me, and

600
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 6: they've won over forty percent of their games.

601
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:33,080
Speaker 5: I don't think the Pacers are getting a forty percent.

602
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:34,480
Speaker 5: So I think the Pacers are locked.

603
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:36,960
Speaker 6: Into bottom six of those six teams, though they have

604
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:39,680
Speaker 6: the best player this year, so they'll have to be

605
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:41,840
Speaker 6: pretty intentional if they want to try to get even

606
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:43,320
Speaker 6: lower among that group.

607
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:45,760
Speaker 5: The Pelicans don't have their pick. They might be trying

608
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:47,960
Speaker 5: to win down the stretch, but it'll be hard to.

609
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:50,480
Speaker 6: Be as bad as the Nets, the Wizards, et cetera

610
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:53,000
Speaker 6: down the stretch, so they'll have to be really cognitive

611
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:55,720
Speaker 6: minutes and who's playing, and you know, that's it's hard

612
00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:58,000
Speaker 6: to do. I think with tanking you can just kind

613
00:28:58,000 --> 00:28:59,840
Speaker 6: of feel when it happens and starts, we'll see you in.

614
00:28:59,880 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 6: That happens for the Pacers, but yeah, I mean sacrificing

615
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:05,960
Speaker 6: a good pick for you know, thirty six minutes of

616
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 6: Siakam in late January. It maybe isn't the best one

617
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:11,240
Speaker 6: night thing, even if the win felt good for the

618
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:13,960
Speaker 6: fans in attendance and the team can see some successive

619
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 6: herpy things of that nature.

620
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:16,600
Speaker 5: It's a hard balance, right, it certainly is.

621
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:19,280
Speaker 1: By the way, what do you think with the Yannis

622
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:22,840
Speaker 1: news Tony Tony East our guest, you know, with Yiannis

623
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:26,120
Speaker 1: running out in Milwaukee apparently, or Milwaukee prepared to ship

624
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:29,680
Speaker 1: him out. What do you think? And I don't mean

625
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:32,960
Speaker 1: this rhetorically in a haha kind of way. What does

626
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:34,800
Speaker 1: it mean? Not that people here care, but I think

627
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:37,760
Speaker 1: they're curious for Miles Turner. What is Miles Turner thinking?

628
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:41,200
Speaker 1: Do you think the Miles Turner move had anything to

629
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:45,000
Speaker 1: do with Yannis wanning out? Just the way that it

630
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:47,000
Speaker 1: is messed or not messed and et cetera.

631
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:52,040
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean that's you steaks. They're not even They're

632
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 6: twelve in the east. They're two spots out.

633
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:54,840
Speaker 3: Of the plan right there.

634
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:57,480
Speaker 6: I thought that he maybe not great, but certainly better

635
00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 6: than this, and they just keep having super just ardening losses.

636
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 6: I think it's been a rough year for Doc Rivers

637
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:05,160
Speaker 6: in terms of his coaching resume. Do they regret the

638
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:06,800
Speaker 6: Miles Turner move as the Bucks, I mean, if they move,

639
00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 6: be honest. Maybe the thing is they don't have their

640
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:11,520
Speaker 6: own draft picks for a long time.

641
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 2: Right, and they've got no money either, right right.

642
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 6: They have their technically their pick this year and then

643
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:19,160
Speaker 6: not for a while. But they have the worst of

644
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:21,960
Speaker 6: their picking, the Pelicans pick, so they kind of could take.

645
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:23,800
Speaker 5: This year, but they don't have a lot of like.

646
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:26,680
Speaker 6: They don't they can't really just stink on purpose the

647
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:28,240
Speaker 6: next couple of years. They don't have their own picks

648
00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:30,560
Speaker 6: to do it, so they kind of want good play.

649
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:31,680
Speaker 5: They might want good.

650
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:34,600
Speaker 6: Players still, any honest trade on top of obviously every draft.

651
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:35,360
Speaker 5: Pick and the young player.

652
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:37,440
Speaker 6: They can get, so they might be mine still having

653
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:39,720
Speaker 6: Turner he'll help them win some games and be good

654
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:41,160
Speaker 6: and the future seasons.

655
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:44,800
Speaker 5: But honestly, some thought Miles Turner might have is they got.

656
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:47,520
Speaker 6: He got that trade bonus in contract, because if the

657
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:49,320
Speaker 6: Bucks decide to move him as well as the honest

658
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:52,080
Speaker 6: he could stand to make ten to fifteen million bore dollars,

659
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:53,760
Speaker 6: depending on where he goes or how much of it

660
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:55,960
Speaker 6: he does or does not decide to wave in the move,

661
00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:57,920
Speaker 6: so he could end up being kind of a big

662
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 6: winner from this and his contract being even high. But yeah,

663
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:03,240
Speaker 6: certainly shocking to see how.

664
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:05,120
Speaker 5: Bad that team has been. And I get Giannis has been.

665
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:06,680
Speaker 6: Hurt, but even when he plays, they lose a lot.

666
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:11,040
Speaker 6: So I do wonder how he feels about his decision now.

667
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 6: But look, he got paid and that contract's guaranteed for

668
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:16,480
Speaker 6: four years. So if money was his sole goal, I

669
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 6: don't think he'll be too beat up about it.

670
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 5: If winning the whole time.

671
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:21,000
Speaker 6: Was his goal, then I think he will beat up

672
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:23,400
Speaker 6: about it because that team is very bad already with Gianness.

673
00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 2: Last night was what was it? I unite at to

674
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:29,320
Speaker 2: pay your game? Is that right? Yes, that's correct. I

675
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:32,320
Speaker 2: saw the Bison running around right with boomers.

676
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:32,800
Speaker 8: Yeah.

677
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:36,200
Speaker 2: And other than that did I miss though? I didn't

678
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 2: see like usually when it's.

679
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:39,560
Speaker 1: Eye unite, they've got all kinds of dignitaries there and

680
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 1: stuff like that.

681
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 2: I don't know if I saw that. Did you see it?

682
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:43,520
Speaker 5: No? I don't.

683
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:45,560
Speaker 6: I don't think that had Eddy, Now that you mentioned it,

684
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:46,960
Speaker 6: I'm thinking about it.

685
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:48,040
Speaker 5: I don't think I'm at.

686
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:50,320
Speaker 1: Any well, the hat Eddie, they had a hat giveaway,

687
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:54,240
Speaker 1: but wasn't that Supposedly you had to send something in, right,

688
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 1: I don't know.

689
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:57,640
Speaker 7: It's a certain ticket you had to buy to be

690
00:31:57,760 --> 00:31:58,480
Speaker 7: eligible for it.

691
00:31:58,640 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 8: I don't know.

692
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 6: It was the first It was like the first certain

693
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:02,520
Speaker 6: number of tickets or something, wasn't it.

694
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:03,080
Speaker 2: I think so?

695
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just saw that the Bison fella running around.

696
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 1: He's kind of jacked. Tyre's Halliburton's put on weight. Supposedly now,

697
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 1: somebody sent me that he had said he gained thirty pounds.

698
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 1: That seems I'm with Ralph, that seems a little heavy.

699
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 1: Tony your thoughts does Does Halliburton look heavier to you?

700
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:20,560
Speaker 2: Cookies an ice cream? Cookie's in ice cream, That's what

701
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 2: he said, really yeah.

702
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 6: He said on that Mind the Game podcast he did

703
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:28,080
Speaker 6: with Lebron, he said that in game seven he weighed

704
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:29,840
Speaker 6: one hundred and eighty pounds and right now he's two ten,

705
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:32,400
Speaker 6: so that would be thirty pounds. And like you can

706
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 6: see it, like if you I posted a video that

707
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 6: him shooting before games.

708
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 5: Like you know you can see it.

709
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 3: And I'll say this too, this.

710
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 5: Guy's towards the kills last year. You could see it

711
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 5: with a dad Jackson too, right for a.

712
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:44,920
Speaker 6: While you can't you can't exercise right, like you can't

713
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:47,239
Speaker 6: do cardio when you tear your a chilly, it's just

714
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:49,400
Speaker 6: gonna happen. And I think Calivern joke that he was

715
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 6: like drowning his sorrows with the wrong foods and things

716
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 6: like that too, which was funny. So yeah, he's bigger,

717
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:56,959
Speaker 6: and I do think there's like some merit to adding

718
00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 6: weight to his game, Like I think he mentioned watching

719
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:01,480
Speaker 6: the way Peyton and kind of throw his body around

720
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:02,240
Speaker 6: to create space and.

721
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 5: T show short.

722
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:05,760
Speaker 6: But they're also like if you get too much muscle

723
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:07,920
Speaker 6: in your arms, like it affects your shot, and like how.

724
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 3: Fast are you?

725
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:08,960
Speaker 2: Opinion?

726
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:11,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I listen, I'll be honestly. I used

727
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:13,200
Speaker 1: to be able to just I was like Jay Edwards.

728
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 1: I mean I was sokey smooth, and then once I

729
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:17,520
Speaker 1: got ripped it just it did change things.

730
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:19,000
Speaker 2: I had to get it was more than hard bore

731
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:21,440
Speaker 2: mid range. I'm serious.

732
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:24,960
Speaker 6: So a tap of the players all the time and

733
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:26,880
Speaker 6: they have to figure out, you know, how it feels,

734
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:27,640
Speaker 6: what parts of their.

735
00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:29,600
Speaker 5: Body or the other things like that. So I don't

736
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:31,240
Speaker 5: think it's gonna affect him so much. I think he

737
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 5: needs to be closer like one to ninety.

738
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 2: Though.

739
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:37,080
Speaker 7: During that interview UH with Tyresee on Mind the Game

740
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 7: with Lebron Tony, he revealed he felt like he could

741
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 7: go out there and play, you know today, and then

742
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 7: he was doing a three on three and Benny Nick

743
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:48,360
Speaker 7: Matheren when somebody was guarding and he told Bans like, hey,

744
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:49,960
Speaker 7: don't don't don't hold up.

745
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:50,480
Speaker 8: Uh.

746
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:52,520
Speaker 7: Last night after the game, I thought this is so

747
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 7: peaked Benedict mathering for those that haven't heard it, I'm

748
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:58,120
Speaker 7: gonna play it, Tony. I'm gonna let you kind of

749
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 7: explain what's going through you my after you hear this

750
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 7: response from Ben.

751
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:04,880
Speaker 8: And it's not easy, you know, he just came hav

752
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:08,560
Speaker 8: an injury, especially having to guard me. You know, it's

753
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:11,040
Speaker 8: not the it's not the one you want to see

754
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:13,839
Speaker 8: right up the injury. So I got I got plenty

755
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:16,520
Speaker 8: of buckets, man, you know, plenty buckets on the way too.

756
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:19,759
Speaker 6: If you if you told me, like before I asked

757
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:22,279
Speaker 6: the question to write down or guess how I thought

758
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:25,279
Speaker 6: Ben Mathern would describe that, I would have got pretty close.

759
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:27,799
Speaker 5: I think I would have been pretty close.

760
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 6: That guy loves to score and loves to tell everybody

761
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:31,719
Speaker 6: that he can score and well scored.

762
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 5: That's what he does, right.

763
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 6: He that first half against Atlanta, his first game back

764
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 6: in three weeks, he was on fire and couldn't miss.

765
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 6: He had a bunch of crucial threes in the third

766
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 6: quarter last night. He's gonna get buckets, and he's gonna

767
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:42,920
Speaker 6: to tell you about it, and he's gonna get buckets.

768
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:44,680
Speaker 6: Some interesting Tonal responses when I was.

769
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:47,600
Speaker 2: Talking to him, I listen. I like him.

770
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:49,480
Speaker 1: I just feel like he is destined to be a

771
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five guy for the rest.

772
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:51,400
Speaker 3: Of his career.

773
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:55,920
Speaker 2: Oh oof, Am I wrong?

774
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:57,759
Speaker 3: He just stored a billion points.

775
00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:00,279
Speaker 5: In a finals game like seven months to go.

776
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 1: Here's the thing, and I like ben Matheren I do,

777
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 1: and this is I always say, you are correct. He

778
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:11,239
Speaker 1: won them a game in the finals, and Matheren he

779
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:12,440
Speaker 1: also cost them a game.

780
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:13,200
Speaker 2: In the finals.

781
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:14,360
Speaker 5: That's also true.

782
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 2: And that's the yin and the yang of it, right,

783
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:17,880
Speaker 2: And part of that's just a young player. I get it.

784
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 1: I think he's, like I've said, Tony, the analogy that

785
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:26,360
Speaker 1: I've used and I'll use it again. Benedict Matheren Is rum,

786
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:29,279
Speaker 1: I like rum rum taste good. There are several things

787
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 1: that I like that have run in it. It's a

788
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:32,799
Speaker 1: key ingredient to a lot of things I enjoy. But

789
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 1: the Pacers, unfortunately are a Manhattan and Manhattan doesn't require rum.

790
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:42,560
Speaker 2: It's a totally different taste. It makes sense, it.

791
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:43,360
Speaker 5: Does make sense.

792
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:44,120
Speaker 2: I like that.

793
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:47,440
Speaker 6: Yeah. Look, look, there's big questions about his fit for forever,

794
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 6: and I think it's kind of a bummer that this season.

795
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:50,319
Speaker 5: Has ured not do.

796
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:52,840
Speaker 6: It has in that he was balling for those two games,

797
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 6: but that has just been too hurt to like get

798
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:57,759
Speaker 6: a lot of time on the floor to establish anything new, right,

799
00:35:57,800 --> 00:35:59,719
Speaker 6: and so there's kind of no new information about what

800
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:02,280
Speaker 6: he is. The only new thing is it's even closer

801
00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:03,080
Speaker 6: to the fridge and see in.

802
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:03,920
Speaker 2: His next contract.

803
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 6: So he'll be certainly somebody to watch in the next

804
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:07,799
Speaker 6: week with the deadline coming up.

805
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:12,439
Speaker 1: Is your confidence level and conclusion here one to ten,

806
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 1: ten being the most, one being the least that the

807
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:16,640
Speaker 1: Pacers will make a notable move at the trade deadline.

808
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:23,799
Speaker 6: Oh, define notable a player that we'd regularly discuss or

809
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:26,400
Speaker 6: one that has been a consistent contributor.

810
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:28,200
Speaker 2: Six or seven.

811
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, I do believe if there is an offer

812
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 1: out there where they can get a Miles Turner replacement

813
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:37,319
Speaker 1: and Mathering as the price tag.

814
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 2: I think they would do that, but we shall see.

815
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:41,200
Speaker 5: I agree with that assessment.

816
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:43,400
Speaker 2: Yes, Jake, you should be proud. I didn't do the

817
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 2: thing because he said six or seven there?

818
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:46,759
Speaker 3: Oh?

819
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:47,120
Speaker 2: Really?

820
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 1: You know, you know I caught listen to this, Tony.

821
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:52,880
Speaker 2: You ever watched back in the day, Tony? Did you

822
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:53,720
Speaker 2: ever watch Letterman?

823
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:58,040
Speaker 6: I have watched Letterman before, but not like a consistent thing.

824
00:36:58,040 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 2: I ever hard to believe he's been off the air

825
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 2: for like ten year.

826
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 1: But I was watching an old clip of Letterman the

827
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:04,960
Speaker 1: other day where he was talking about his upcoming birthday

828
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:08,399
Speaker 1: this would have been twelve years ago, and he said,

829
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:10,640
Speaker 1: I'm going to be sixty seven, and Paul Shaffer kept

830
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:13,279
Speaker 1: going sixt' seven, sixt' seven. That's what we say in

831
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:16,319
Speaker 1: the entertainment business, Dave sixt' seven. And I thought Paul

832
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:20,319
Speaker 1: Shaffer was ten years ahead of the trends, right, I mean,

833
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:20,719
Speaker 1: what do you know?

834
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:21,839
Speaker 3: Good?

835
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:22,480
Speaker 5: Good for Paul?

836
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:24,799
Speaker 6: Why did he say that is just the thing he

837
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:26,720
Speaker 6: said to be silly and gave yeah maybe.

838
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 1: And like the real way that started correct And then

839
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:31,239
Speaker 1: ten years later it was the thing. Paul Shaffer must

840
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:33,439
Speaker 1: have been doing Gangham style like a nineteen ninety five

841
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:36,879
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, ahead of the trends. All right, Tony,

842
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:38,759
Speaker 1: we appreciate the time as always.

843
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:40,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks for having me, guys, Tony East.

844
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 1: Joining us, job House, Peel and poor guest line again

845
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:45,480
Speaker 1: locked on Pacers Forbes. There'll be thhr a number of

846
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:48,400
Speaker 1: places that you could see Tony's coverage of the Indiana

847
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:48,880
Speaker 1: Pacers