Speaker 1: The Frames per Second Podcast.
Speaker 2: Welcome to a new episode of the Frames per Second Podcast.
Speaker 2: My name is Kenneth be and Shortman. In the show,
Speaker 2: I have Ra and Mike, and there is no Spike.
Speaker 2: Spike is not here today, but we got you guys
Speaker 2: covered as we are here to discuss Marvel's new series
Speaker 2: wonder Man, which is starring I cannot say this.
Speaker 1: Guy, yah yah, just how it's spelled.
Speaker 2: Yahya abdulah Ma team the second.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he has to be. He better be.
Speaker 2: He was Haitchen in the show That'll Be Messed Up,
Speaker 2: Ben Kingsley and a few others, a few others as
Speaker 2: well in this one. But you know they were your guys.
Speaker 2: They were your guys. So we are here to discuss
Speaker 2: that wonder Man is part of Faces for Marvel and
Speaker 2: it's part of the Marvel Spotlight banner, which they kept
Speaker 2: showing that and I haven't looked into exactly what that is.
Speaker 3: I have a gas, but well we'll get there, I guess.
Speaker 1: Nah, we probably won't.
Speaker 4: I think because of what this show was, Marvel Spotlight
Speaker 4: is probably going to be like shows that aren't like
Speaker 4: connected to like you know, the overall MCU or something.
Speaker 4: Maybe because like this wasn't like a comic book hero show.
Speaker 4: So maybe Marvel Spotlight is going to be shows like
Speaker 4: this where it's just stuff taking place in the Marvel world,
Speaker 4: but that just aren't.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 1: That's why I assumed me either. Maybe I'll look it up. Well,
Speaker 1: we're talking about it.
Speaker 5: Attaching it to the the Iron Man.
Speaker 1: World though, Yeah, but you know tomorrow everything's connected, right,
Speaker 1: so you know. But uh, it's a mini series.
Speaker 2: It's created by Dustin Daniel and Andrew Guest, and it's
Speaker 2: based on the character uh Rod. I don't know if
Speaker 2: you know this or may you may have seen it,
Speaker 2: but wonder Man is actually white in the comics, so yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: he's he's.
Speaker 3: Black hair, woke, woke wonder Man.
Speaker 2: And and it was something else that I saw that
Speaker 2: I thought was interesting.
Speaker 1: Uh. I think originally they wanted to create that.
Speaker 2: It was the television series center on Trevor Slattery, who's
Speaker 2: been Kingsley character, and you know, Marble's been going all
Speaker 2: these other changes, so they kind of sheld it and
Speaker 2: came back to it, and here we are with wonder Man. Rod,
Speaker 2: what did you think about wonder Man? I thought it
Speaker 2: was surprisingly decent. Yeah, it looked really whack based on
Speaker 2: the stuff I was seeing, but I feel like they
Speaker 2: they pulled something here that could be interesting.
Speaker 5: I think given enough time. And honestly, I always liked
Speaker 5: the Mandarin. I hated that he was an actor in
Speaker 5: that movie because I thought the way he presented Mandarin
Speaker 5: with that voice and stuff, I was like, oh, man,
Speaker 5: I really liked this character. So it was a little
Speaker 5: disappointed when he ended up being this goofy actor dude.
Speaker 5: But I like the way they spun it spun spun
Speaker 5: it here, and I don't know, I like how they
Speaker 5: played into him, you know, uh am I trying aspiring
Speaker 5: to be wonder Man with the backstory or whatever. So no,
Speaker 5: I thought I thought they did a decent job bringing
Speaker 5: this together. I was like, oh, they all really made
Speaker 5: tried to make this work, and it worked to a
Speaker 5: certain extent for me, he said, trying to make it work. Yeah,
Speaker 5: because I did not see how it was gonna make
Speaker 5: this shit work. But no, no, I think they did
Speaker 5: a decent enough job.
Speaker 1: What about you, Mike, I hate it.
Speaker 4: This was Oh, this was a fucking chore. When I
Speaker 4: got through the first episode, I was like, Okay, are
Speaker 4: you serious? And then when they got through the second episode,
Speaker 4: I was like, are you fucking serious? Did y'all not
Speaker 4: learn anything from Shield? And I guess not, But apparently
Speaker 4: it's doing well, so good for Marvel, and I really
Speaker 4: like yah yah, I like Ben Kingsley. This is not
Speaker 4: what I was expecting, some fucking sitcom kind of drama.
Speaker 3: Shit. No, No, I didn't like this. I'm sorry you
Speaker 3: said sitcom.
Speaker 4: You feel like it was like an Absolutely, there were
Speaker 4: way way too much comic relief.
Speaker 3: It didn't feel serious. There were no stakes.
Speaker 4: So the thing about it is clearly Marvel was trying
Speaker 4: to make a show that was not a Marvel show. Okay,
Speaker 4: instead of making this all about his superpowers and all
Speaker 4: this other shit, we're gonna make it to where he
Speaker 4: has superpowers, but he's just in this world of a
Speaker 4: regular ass TV show. I just never gave a fuck
Speaker 4: about this guy. So no, I did not like this.
Speaker 4: I was except one episode, which I'm sure we'll get to.
Speaker 4: But the one episode I thought was brilliant, let's.
Speaker 3: Talk about the same one. I'm PreCure we are. I'm
Speaker 3: sure we are. The rest of this this was not
Speaker 3: This is not for me.
Speaker 2: It took all the way to the end the final
Speaker 2: episode for me to appreciate what they did, and I
Speaker 2: was like, damn, that was actually pretty good.
Speaker 1: I did enjoy it.
Speaker 2: The first three to four Mike, I was with you
Speaker 2: because I was like, I don't understand what's going on
Speaker 2: the tone and stuff. And I think right around five
Speaker 2: or six, you know, I'm starting I'm asking myself question.
Speaker 1: I'm like, what is this? What are we doing?
Speaker 2: There's powers, there's not powers, there's danger control, there's like
Speaker 2: what's damage control?
Speaker 1: Like what is happening? And then I started.
Speaker 3: Thinking like, well, Wonder Vision and all.
Speaker 1: This other stuff.
Speaker 2: I was like, well, there's there's shows. So I'm like,
Speaker 2: where's the powers. Where's somebody throwing some shit? Always see
Speaker 2: him sucking up walls and shit like that and leaving
Speaker 2: holes in the ground because he has tempotential rot.
Speaker 1: So I'm like, what is going on?
Speaker 2: But Loki and all these other shows, it's really about
Speaker 2: like their characters and them telling these sort of stories
Speaker 2: and they just as the saying goals happen to have
Speaker 2: powers so.
Speaker 3: Trying to hide them.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it reminded me of a like X Men, Like
Speaker 5: they're trying to live amongst just regular as folks, like
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: So I I feel.
Speaker 5: The influence of the X Men stuff in this person,
Speaker 5: like you know, you know, you're trying to hide them
Speaker 5: because you know, people out to get you and don't
Speaker 5: accept you for whatever reason, which we see. I think,
Speaker 5: I think that's the same episode Mike talking about, like
Speaker 5: that's the reason why, you know. And he just want
Speaker 5: to be you know, he just want to be normal,
Speaker 5: like he just want to be in.
Speaker 3: He just want to be normal. He just want to
Speaker 3: be an actor.
Speaker 5: Obviously he's very into movies and and everything. So I
Speaker 5: thought it was a really interesting way of telling this
Speaker 5: story personally and using someone that played as an actor
Speaker 5: in another movie of Iron Man. So I thought, I
Speaker 5: was like, oh shit, they they thought this through a
Speaker 5: little bit.
Speaker 3: I wasn't expecting this.
Speaker 1: They managed working out.
Speaker 3: I was.
Speaker 2: I was like you, I thought it was gonna be whack.
Speaker 2: I had no interest in seeing it. I was like,
Speaker 2: what is this shit? This shit is fucking stupid. I
Speaker 2: did look up Marvel Spotlight. It actually was a come
Speaker 2: a book anthology that they that ran from seventy one
Speaker 2: to seventy seven, and then it came back with Volume
Speaker 2: two seventy nine through eighty one, and they're making basically
Speaker 2: a live action series evalent of that, and Echo was
Speaker 2: actually part of the Marvel Spotlight brand.
Speaker 3: This felt bad as Echo.
Speaker 2: So you're right, it's focusing on grounded personal stories rather
Speaker 2: than interconnected MCU plot lines. So that's what they're doing,
Speaker 2: and that helps explain this one a little bit further
Speaker 2: from me.
Speaker 3: But but yeah, the.
Speaker 2: Series opens and it's it's centered around uh, you know,
Speaker 2: you know, like you were saying, rah insecurity failures, ambitions
Speaker 2: before it kind of gets into the super power part
Speaker 2: of it. You know, we have Simon Williams who was
Speaker 2: an actor with internal battles and not external, so and
Speaker 2: it really spends a lot of time on him and
Speaker 2: eventually Trevor Slattery who was the Mandarin and in Iron
Speaker 2: Man three. Yeah, I don't want to bear the here. Well,
Speaker 2: Simon Williams a good actor.
Speaker 1: In the show. Yeah, in the in.
Speaker 2: The context of the show, was the character Simon Williams
Speaker 2: he was.
Speaker 4: Probably He's just an annoying asshole. He thought he knew everything.
Speaker 4: So him getting kicked off the show, I was like,
Speaker 4: that's what you get.
Speaker 3: What are you doing an idiot, But.
Speaker 5: Even you, I feel like you can get this type
Speaker 5: of person this type of personality, right, Like you be
Speaker 5: in your head about like you said, you O c D.
Speaker 5: So you be in your head about a lot of ship.
Speaker 5: I am too to a certain degree. Like I overthink
Speaker 5: ship all the time. So I get that. Like, especially
Speaker 5: if you're like a student of acting in movies cinema, yeah,
Speaker 5: you're gonna be like, oh, yeah, you know.
Speaker 3: Maybe you know I'm thinking, you know, nah, a lot.
Speaker 3: He was doing a lot actor whatever.
Speaker 5: He was a respected actor though, because you on the
Speaker 5: American Horror Show or whatever.
Speaker 3: Till he got fired from her.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he got fired, but he was respected, so they
Speaker 5: respected him, which is why they kind of was trying
Speaker 5: to listen to him.
Speaker 2: And like, all right, dude, you get I didn't get
Speaker 2: that at all. He was Yeah, because this character was
Speaker 2: going to get killed off. He's adding all of this
Speaker 2: ship on it that didn't need to be there. He
Speaker 2: was there paying what one hundred dollars a day or whatever.
Speaker 2: You just there for a day, bro, And you're talking
Speaker 2: about you know, you think I should pick.
Speaker 3: Up the book what if I had? You're about to die, right,
Speaker 3: you're dead, You're gone now.
Speaker 1: It was annoying.
Speaker 5: Don't don't get me wrong, it was it was annoying. Yeah,
Speaker 5: it's interest because there's a like that makes him Does
Speaker 5: that make him a bad actor?
Speaker 3: Though?
Speaker 1: Well, that's what I was asking.
Speaker 2: We didn't get a chance to see that in episode
Speaker 2: one because he got you know, but as we eventually
Speaker 2: move on, I guess, you know, seeing aspects of him acting,
Speaker 2: you know, in later episodes.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I was just think he was a good actor because
Speaker 4: when he went in there for that audition he did well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, in the later episode, Yeah, but I think they
Speaker 2: did a good job, you know, out the gate kind
Speaker 2: of letting you know what type of guy he is. Like,
Speaker 2: he overanalyzes everything, He really thinks things through. He wants
Speaker 2: to get things right, so he super invests in over
Speaker 2: in debts and in these characters that he's he's you know,
Speaker 2: hired to play. And I guess, Mike, you already mentioned
Speaker 2: it earlier. I think one of the other questions I
Speaker 2: had was like, did this, now that we've watched the
Speaker 2: whole thing, feel like a superhero series to you.
Speaker 1: Guys at all? Or yeah, yeah, it didn't. It didn't
Speaker 1: feel like that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I didn't feel like that, but I wasn't
Speaker 5: mad at that, yes, you know, because I think if
Speaker 5: it would have been a superhero series for me, I
Speaker 5: probably wouldn't enjoyed it as much.
Speaker 2: I struggled with it for most of the series, and
Speaker 2: you know, I just had to come around to what
Speaker 2: they're giving me and try to understand it and focus
Speaker 2: more on the characters and less on like you know,
Speaker 2: laser beams coming out of people eyes and shit like that.
Speaker 2: But anyway, so episodes, like the first couple of episodes,
Speaker 2: we got Simon as basically somebody us his own worst enemy.
Speaker 2: He overthinks spirals, he basically end up self sabotaging himself
Speaker 2: on this television set. Uh, and his own relationship as well,
Speaker 2: because he got back home and.
Speaker 1: His girl left.
Speaker 2: So and and she later said that basically described him
Speaker 2: the same way she left because of those same reasons.
Speaker 2: You know, we meet Trevor Slattery, who I did not
Speaker 2: expect to be in here, but you know, he's basically
Speaker 2: hired by Damage Control to spy on him, and they
Speaker 2: meet in the movie theater because he's fired, he's going
Speaker 2: to watch this movie and uh and that's how they
Speaker 2: meet and they.
Speaker 1: Developed this sort of connection.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to remember because he told him, Trevor told
Speaker 2: him he was going to audition for the role of
Speaker 2: Barnerby for wonder Man and not the wonder Man character.
Speaker 2: And then Simon decided to show up for himself. But
Speaker 2: he lied and manipulated that whole situation to get there,
Speaker 2: you know, pretending to be somebody. I guess he is
Speaker 2: good at the Rock because he damn sure sold that
Speaker 2: catch the director.
Speaker 1: That he was he was the assistant. How the fuck
Speaker 1: you believe that?
Speaker 2: But but yeah did Because we're still like the first
Speaker 2: couple of episodes, did you guys think that Simon came
Speaker 2: across as like was he simple? Were he were he
Speaker 2: sympathetic to him? Was he exhausting? Was it like a
Speaker 2: mixture of both?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 5: I think it was a mixture of both. He was exhausting,
Speaker 5: he was like, shut up, like but no, I like,
Speaker 5: I like that, it was it was. It was believable
Speaker 5: to and and I and I liked the guy that
Speaker 5: plays Mandarin and he was tripping the movie, right, Trevor.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Trevor Slattery, Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I like that because we didn't know at first
Speaker 5: that he was working with the with the FIDS or whatever.
Speaker 3: So now, yeah, I like all of this. All of
Speaker 3: this was good.
Speaker 5: I like the the slow like, uh, what am I
Speaker 5: trying to say? Conflict right, conflict with wanting to tell
Speaker 5: on them and not like. I like how they played
Speaker 5: on that because they're both so passionate about acting. Yeah,
Speaker 5: like I like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Mike, Yeah, yeah, Mike.
Speaker 1: It showed early on Mike.
Speaker 5: Like Mike busy, don't ask him no questions.
Speaker 2: I want Mike is showed in like the first two
Speaker 2: episodes that Simon was definitely a student of the game.
Speaker 2: He recognized Trevor Slattery from rolls outside of the Manager
Speaker 2: U and was very complimentary there, you know, uh sharing
Speaker 2: these experiences or whatnot. And later on when he's auditioning
Speaker 2: for the role of wonder Man, he actually helped him,
Speaker 2: you know, kind of uh go nail the role.
Speaker 1: Did you like, what were you suspicious of Trevor early
Speaker 1: on or you were just kind of okay?
Speaker 3: I wasn't suspicious.
Speaker 4: I was just like, this is corny, Like you met
Speaker 4: him in a in a in a movie movie theater,
Speaker 4: and now y'all are homies. Even though he's going for
Speaker 4: the basically the same at least I thought it was.
Speaker 1: I thought it was too.
Speaker 4: I thought it was going for the same job that
Speaker 4: you told him about. So he was trying to take
Speaker 4: your taking our down.
Speaker 2: I think he was because he was trying to hide
Speaker 2: from him when yeah, I think he was going for
Speaker 2: the same role.
Speaker 4: So yeah, I wasn't suspicious. I should have been, but
Speaker 4: I wasn't. I was just like, this relationship is stupid.
Speaker 3: Yeah, y'ah. No, he wanted to be wonder Man. No,
Speaker 3: he wanted to play as wonder Man.
Speaker 4: But but Ben Kingsley told him about the job. He
Speaker 4: didn't even know about it, right, but.
Speaker 5: He said he was going to play as Barnabe, but
Speaker 5: he wanted to play as wonder Man.
Speaker 2: I thought Trevor was trying to play as wonder Man. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And then I thought Trevor was auditioning for wonder Man
Speaker 2: because remember, like we found this out later, but go
Speaker 2: ahead and say it now, Like part of what Trevor
Speaker 2: was there for was to find He told DC to
Speaker 2: find something that connects with them, and wonder Man was it.
Speaker 2: So that's how they that's how we got them all
Speaker 2: in the same place. So I felt like I thought
Speaker 2: that he was auditioned for wonder Man and that Simon
Speaker 2: showed up to audition for the same role.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I see, I thought they were both auditioning for
Speaker 5: wonder Man movie. But but Simon was going for U,
Speaker 5: not Simon.
Speaker 2: Trevor was going for Barnaby. I think it turned out
Speaker 2: that way. Oh okay, but I'm trying to it up now. Uh,
Speaker 2: and all I'm seeing is that he just told him
Speaker 2: he was auditioning for von Kovac's remake of the film.
Speaker 1: Uh, but maybe maybe they.
Speaker 5: Weren't specific I assume that they both were going for
Speaker 5: the same role.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I thought. But you know, that wouldn't
Speaker 2: make that wouldn't make sense though. Yeah, where you guys
Speaker 2: to see surprises? The guy from the Matrix here?
Speaker 1: What guy?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Joe Panteolani, Pantole Pantole, Lionel. He was the guy
Speaker 2: that portrayed them in the Matrix. Spoiler portrayed who in
Speaker 2: the movie The Matrix?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I got them, but he said he portrayed them.
Speaker 3: Who's the them? Who is the guy?
Speaker 1: He was the trader and he was the one flying
Speaker 1: the ship. Damn.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the guy that the little skinny guy.
Speaker 3: I don't remember even seeing him in this.
Speaker 1: Yep, hold on, I gotta I gotta pull it up.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah he was. He was the one
Speaker 5: I saw his jobs. Yeah, yeah, he was the one
Speaker 5: that the house they went to. It was an episode
Speaker 5: to the house they went to.
Speaker 3: That's him.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's the one. He's still tripper jobs. He still
Speaker 5: had a grudge with him. Bro, you remember them from
Speaker 5: to a Grudge? Does he play as the captain and
Speaker 5: Bad Boys? Is that the same guy?
Speaker 3: I'll get my wife semester up. Yes, yeah, seeing him
Speaker 3: in this, yeah he was.
Speaker 5: He was at the house. He was at the house
Speaker 5: where they when he auditioned it. We're looking for a
Speaker 5: place to audition and it ended up going to his house.
Speaker 3: Like a billionaire. He was like a millionaire had all.
Speaker 1: You remember this guy from the Matrix but now you
Speaker 1: know it now. Oh he was.
Speaker 3: Looking at him on the far right, so we had
Speaker 3: a bunch of makeup on. I don't know if that
Speaker 3: was own the house. Yes, I would never have known
Speaker 3: that that was him. It's his voice. He has a
Speaker 3: very distinctive Yep.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, because because when he when he opened the door,
Speaker 2: was like, oh, because I don't know if you probably
Speaker 2: remember me, probably, but he was like, oh yeah, because
Speaker 2: Simon complemented him on his role in the Matrix and.
Speaker 1: He was like, you were a third key part in
Speaker 1: the movie.
Speaker 3: And then did yeah, I didn't even pick that up.
Speaker 2: And then, uh, because Joe was kind of talking because
Speaker 2: remember he said I made a whole bunch of money.
Speaker 1: Off real estate, and he said a disgusting amount of money.
Speaker 2: So he's kind of going over and over and you know,
Speaker 2: ragging about it, and Trevor's life became ship because he
Speaker 2: stole his role. We later found out that he was
Speaker 2: basically an alcoholic and he basically was in a druggy
Speaker 2: so he kind of, you know, was self sabotage to
Speaker 2: himself in a very similar manner to to Simon. So
Speaker 2: and then Simon was noticing how Joe was basically talking
Speaker 2: down to Trevor, and that's when he basically cussed Joe
Speaker 2: out and left and said you're a piece of ship
Speaker 2: and then he left.
Speaker 1: So and then we get to episode three, which is.
Speaker 2: Pachioma, and that's when we meet Simon's family and we
Speaker 2: get more information about the family Dyamic.
Speaker 3: So Pakioma.
Speaker 2: Kind of gives us, uh, some information about Simon himself,
Speaker 2: and we see and meet his mother Martha, his brother Eric,
Speaker 2: and the rest of the family. You know, his family
Speaker 2: is I don't believe in Simon. His brother clearly don't.
Speaker 2: His brother's an asshole. He's trying to get him a
Speaker 2: job because he got a promotion. His cousins is talking
Speaker 2: shit to him and his family and the.
Speaker 3: Creole.
Speaker 1: He was like, you know, I gotta understand you, right, Yeah, be.
Speaker 5: Real shit too, Like people don't mean looking at this
Speaker 5: ship is real careers like artists, actors, stuff like yeah,
Speaker 5: so I like this, especially for like Haitian or something
Speaker 5: like that, like no, get a real job, lazy. Uh
Speaker 5: so I did like this representation or whatever. Shout out
Speaker 5: to Numa Perry. She's a she was in it. She
Speaker 5: had a very uh small role. She's like a neighbor,
Speaker 5: but it was cool to see her in it. She's
Speaker 5: from that member of Black and Sexy TV. She was
Speaker 5: one of the she was one of the people from there.
Speaker 5: It's cool to see.
Speaker 3: Her here Black and Sexy TV.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it came out the same time. It's like that
Speaker 5: in ye, It's like Insecure. This is that whole crew basically,
Speaker 5: uh yeah, they all know each other anyway.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so no, I did like this. I did like
Speaker 3: the It.
Speaker 5: Felt realistic as far as like, you know how family dynamics.
Speaker 3: Yeah, family dynamics. Yeah, yeah, I like this. I like
Speaker 3: this and it's like a family secret too. Yeah how
Speaker 3: much how much it was?
Speaker 1: Jerk was Eric?
Speaker 3: His brother, he's a piece of ship man trigger.
Speaker 4: Well nah, we're cool now. So no, this is a
Speaker 4: few years ago. Yeah, I would have been very triggered
Speaker 4: he was. He was fucking.
Speaker 3: Annoying, annoying. It's like, man, leave him alone.
Speaker 4: But I did also see his point, like, your mom
Speaker 4: is fucking giving you money and doing all this ship
Speaker 4: for you, and you know you had to borrow money
Speaker 4: from mo to go buy her own gift. That's some
Speaker 4: trifling that ship for an adult. You know, you do
Speaker 4: that for your children. But like, come on, bro, you're
Speaker 4: fucking thirty. But nah, the scene itself was was really
Speaker 4: well done.
Speaker 3: But yeah, his brother was fucking annoying.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, it's a lot of tension and stuff.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: You know, we, like you mentioned earlier, Mike was seeing
Speaker 2: the family dynamics. We're hearing stories of Simon, you know,
Speaker 2: surviving a fire and stuff like that.
Speaker 4: Trevor trying to get into Yeah, yeah, this is annoying
Speaker 4: to me. Yeah, what wasnn When they just kept dropping
Speaker 4: this thing and they kept showing like flashbacks, but then
Speaker 4: they ultimately don't fucking show it. It's like, whoa, all right, yeah,
Speaker 4: give me something here, guys.
Speaker 2: But yeah, his brother being an asshole, you know the
Speaker 2: whole time, you know, it laned to her. I felt
Speaker 2: so bad for the mama Rod when he broke the island.
Speaker 3: She doesn't make him mad. Don't make him mad.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they and they knew because they didn't even react,
Speaker 2: they knew what was going on.
Speaker 5: That was interesting. Yeah, that's what I'm saying that it
Speaker 5: was like a family secret. And I was like, oh
Speaker 5: ship they know or whatever. So yeah, I thought that
Speaker 5: was very interesting.
Speaker 2: I just thought the mom was going to be like devastated.
Speaker 2: She's so happy about that island.
Speaker 3: And he just destroyed the kitchen in general.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Eric showed no remorse, like you know, your
Speaker 2: brother is can be a loose cannon, and these are
Speaker 2: the sort of triggers and you just kept going and
Speaker 2: going and going. Yeah, and that's what happened. I was like,
Speaker 2: Who're gonna pay for that ship? You know, not me, Rod.
Speaker 2: Were you surprised that after all of that, because I
Speaker 2: thought his other saying was funny when he's like walking
Speaker 2: around asking people for information and he was asking one of.
Speaker 3: The neighbor I think that is that what you're talking about.
Speaker 2: When she was like, oh, yeah, what do you know
Speaker 2: about Simon And she was like, well, you know, I've
Speaker 2: never really liked him that much that one.
Speaker 1: Sh okay.
Speaker 2: She was like, yeah, I always like Airic blah blah blah.
Speaker 2: He was like, hein't ask you for your preference?
Speaker 5: Was funny customer And she was like right, yeah, she
Speaker 5: said motherfuckers up.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I thought that that was funny.
Speaker 2: But yeah, he's asking all these questions, and it was
Speaker 2: something about him breaking that island and maybe seeing his
Speaker 2: brother act in that way, and also at the end
Speaker 2: him reacting in such a violent way destroying that alan
Speaker 2: that meant so much to the mom and then getting
Speaker 2: in the car and be like yo, because they're waiting
Speaker 2: on like the callback he sent the tape and stuff
Speaker 2: like that, not the call back, but they sent the tape,
Speaker 2: so they're waiting to hear back from Janelle.
Speaker 3: I think that was the name Oh, she was funny.
Speaker 3: I liked her.
Speaker 1: Yes, I liked her, and I ain't like her at all.
Speaker 3: She was not a good actor. No, I thought she
Speaker 3: had a really cool comedic element.
Speaker 5: Damn.
Speaker 1: I'm glad she got a job, but real, you.
Speaker 4: Know, I'm glad her ex neighbor got her a job.
Speaker 3: That's how it's out. Oh I liked her, Yeah, I
Speaker 3: liked her.
Speaker 2: Nah, but they're waiting on her because he sent the
Speaker 2: tape in we talked about the audition earlier, which he did.
Speaker 2: Ashley was really good, so Trevor was some good advice,
Speaker 2: and he's just you know, kind of dumping on Trevor, like, bro,
Speaker 2: this like this all I got. It ain't gonna work.
Speaker 2: Maybe Eric is right, et cetera, et cetera. And it
Speaker 2: really moved Trevor. Where you where where when Trevor got
Speaker 2: out of the car, did you think he was gonna
Speaker 2: make the call to d C or he was gonna
Speaker 2: destroy the audio recording, destroy the audio record?
Speaker 3: Like I said, they showed the conflict there with him.
Speaker 5: I mean he, I mean he was soft soft on
Speaker 5: on Simon just because like they showed even Trevor like
Speaker 5: him trying to tell people about his acting.
Speaker 3: Career and it's just not being that interested.
Speaker 5: But Simon shown his interest and he was, you know,
Speaker 5: he was happy to be recognized, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: So I think, yeah, I was like, yeah, he gonna
Speaker 5: uh that is a good point. Everybody else was like,
Speaker 5: oh really, and not for being the man, but he
Speaker 5: was the acknowledging for being an actor, just like, Yo,
Speaker 5: that's dope, you're a really good actor.
Speaker 3: But everybody else was saying, oh, you're the man. So
Speaker 3: I thought that was cool.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Mike, were you were you surprised that he destroyed
Speaker 2: the aud they recording.
Speaker 3: Kind of because.
Speaker 4: You I mean, I don't think at this point we
Speaker 4: knew what they had over him.
Speaker 3: I don't think we did, did we.
Speaker 5: Yeah, they were saying that you would go back to
Speaker 5: jail basically, but I thought it was more than that.
Speaker 2: It felt like it was more than that. But I don't, Yeah,
Speaker 2: like you go back to jail.
Speaker 5: It's like you either do this, you ever cooperate with us,
Speaker 5: or you will go back to jail. Say you got
Speaker 5: two options. He's like two number two because I don't want.
Speaker 1: To go to jail.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that was it. I mean, that's enough. Ship.
Speaker 3: They're talking about prison, that's all why he was locked up. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I don't know. I mean, yeah, I get.
Speaker 5: You, crimes. It was for like, like I said, war
Speaker 5: crimes and ship.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it was war crimes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that'll do it. And he broke out of prison too, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: because we did. We was in this one when he
Speaker 2: was arrested at Las. It was one of these episodes
Speaker 2: he was arrested. It was just a flashback. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: he was arrested Las and stuff like that. So because
Speaker 2: even the girl on the lady was talking to on
Speaker 2: the plane didn't really recognize him like that, So that
Speaker 2: is a I'm not with him.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think this was just too much for me
Speaker 4: to believe that they just became friends and he cared
Speaker 4: and all that.
Speaker 3: So it just it didn't move me.
Speaker 5: I was moving by the bond that they were creating. Yeah, personally,
Speaker 5: I am slightly with Mike. I was surprised.
Speaker 2: I didn't know if I saw enough from the family
Speaker 2: to make him and from what he was saying to
Speaker 2: make him be sympathetic to what he was going through sympathetic. Yeah,
Speaker 2: But in this episode he mentioned something about this guy
Speaker 2: by the name, but he mentioned door Man. He was like,
Speaker 2: who the fuck is Doorman? And is this the episode
Speaker 2: you guys were talking about?
Speaker 3: This episode is great?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Great, yeah, this was This was the one where it
Speaker 4: was like, all right, this is this is really dope
Speaker 4: and I was hoping it was going to be an
Speaker 4: upswing from here, but it gave me a Lanta vibes
Speaker 4: the way they told it it did. It did feel
Speaker 4: like a weird superhero version of Atlanta. I like, I
Speaker 4: liked how it was, you know, black and white, and
Speaker 4: the main guy, I don't know who he is, but
Speaker 4: I liked him a lot.
Speaker 3: But yeah, this was a good episode.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Doormant episode, I think it was good. I
Speaker 2: think it was placed well with episode four. You kind
Speaker 2: of teased it and then we get here it's a
Speaker 2: black guy with powers, so that could be another layer,
Speaker 2: you know, like you were talking about the X Men
Speaker 2: thing that we could point to.
Speaker 1: But I think it was more about.
Speaker 2: The fact that this guy, Joe Gadd, Joe Gadd, who
Speaker 2: I think is a real person, right, I don't know.
Speaker 1: The white guy, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you mean a real person like actors. Yeah, I
Speaker 5: think he was actually Yeah, I'm trying to figure out
Speaker 5: what you're trying to say.
Speaker 2: I don't think it was a character in the show.
Speaker 2: I think Joe is an actual person, Yeah, a real person,
Speaker 2: like real life. But yeah, this episode really just it
Speaker 2: kind of we step away from the world and kind
Speaker 2: of gives us context to what he was talking about.
Speaker 2: And you know, so it's just about this guy that
Speaker 2: has the power to just transport people through his body,
Speaker 2: you know, to other places, almost like, uh.
Speaker 1: What's the one from from X Men?
Speaker 4: From X Men, I was thinking it was like Cloak,
Speaker 4: Kitty Cloak is good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Cloak is good too.
Speaker 2: Cloak is actually closer, but Cloak actually you go to
Speaker 2: a darker dimension. But Cloak is actually good because Cloak
Speaker 2: is black. But but yeah, Kitty Pride is another one.
Speaker 3: But she just phased people.
Speaker 2: Though I don't think you actually go through a dimension
Speaker 2: to go to another spot. But but yeah, he was
Speaker 2: he was a door man and he got these powers
Speaker 2: by touching his goo.
Speaker 3: I don't know why he did that.
Speaker 1: I don't know. There was some rocks con place.
Speaker 2: And he blows up and become this big like celebrity,
Speaker 2: but one that they make fun of though and not
Speaker 2: take serious, which I thought was interesting as well. And
Speaker 2: he gets these powers and he becomes an alcoholic I
Speaker 2: think Trevor Slattery and he just had a bad day
Speaker 2: on the job, a bad day of work, right, and uh,
Speaker 2: they still don't know where Joe gadd is at.
Speaker 3: That's crazy.
Speaker 2: So yeah, so this this episode worked for you to no,
Speaker 2: no this one, but I'm already feeling the show as
Speaker 2: it is.
Speaker 5: But it also gets con text as to why he
Speaker 5: is the way he is because you wonder, like, Okay,
Speaker 5: why are you trying to hold him? Like why is
Speaker 5: this such a bad thing? And why are the damage
Speaker 5: control people trying to find you or whatever? That's why
Speaker 5: I say it feels like X Men. But like, so yeah,
Speaker 5: I would just it just gave more context to Simon's
Speaker 5: character and why he's so paranoid and why he just
Speaker 5: doesn't want to reveal his power, especially in the in
Speaker 5: the realm of being an actor or whatever. Because I
Speaker 5: think that's when the Doorman act came into place, like
Speaker 5: no superhero can happen, I mean, no actor can.
Speaker 3: Have super powers or something like that.
Speaker 5: So yeah, yeah, I felt like it was It was
Speaker 5: a good place when they put it right in the
Speaker 5: middle of the story.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was good.
Speaker 3: Man, it's good. I wonder if they're gonna use this
Speaker 3: for the X Men or something.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I wonder if this is gonna if this is
Speaker 4: gonna turn into the Mutant Registration Act that we've already
Speaker 4: seen in the cartoon and stuff. So I was because
Speaker 4: I don't know if he's a mutant. I don't know
Speaker 4: if yah Ya is a mutant. I don't think it
Speaker 4: ever said.
Speaker 2: They referred to him as as an enhanced Yeah.
Speaker 3: But that just could be a name. I don't I
Speaker 3: don't know.
Speaker 4: I don't know, but from what they said, he had
Speaker 4: the powers since he was younger, so I assumed he
Speaker 4: might be a mutant. Also he already had did he
Speaker 4: already have the powers with it before touching the Goog?
Speaker 1: Or Don got his powers from the Goog?
Speaker 2: Simon what Mike is talking about, had his powers when
Speaker 2: he was young, right, sorry when.
Speaker 1: The fire broke out, because well, I.
Speaker 2: Think we saw this later as we moving on, Like
Speaker 2: we saw a little bit more of Simon's childhood and
Speaker 2: he was being bullied and that's how he became fit
Speaker 2: sated on wonder Man because his dad had him play
Speaker 2: hooky and they went to go see this movie.
Speaker 5: Damn, he is from the Marvel Commons too, doman Marvel
Speaker 5: Commons character often affiliated with Great Lakes Avengers, who possessed
Speaker 5: his mutabilities.
Speaker 4: He didn't look like he was black, but he was like,
Speaker 4: literally just black, if I remember correctly, he was just
Speaker 4: like a black figure.
Speaker 3: That's how he looked.
Speaker 4: He looked like yeah, yeah, they looked he looks like that,
Speaker 4: but I think in the original comic he looked even goofy.
Speaker 3: He looked like almost like Gumby, but he was black.
Speaker 2: He looks familiar, but I don't. Yeah, the other one
Speaker 2: looked closer than the one that may have looked for me.
Speaker 2: But okay, well that's interesting. Yeah, but nice little what
Speaker 2: they call that? Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's pretty cool.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: This whole episode was really really cool.
Speaker 4: Yeah, especially when Buddy went through him and I knew
Speaker 4: something bad was about to happen.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I did too. It was like, but I ain't
Speaker 5: know what was gonna mean that though they come up
Speaker 5: to the other side. Yeah, oh shit.
Speaker 4: I thought he was gonna go through and then he
Speaker 4: was going to land in like traffic or something.
Speaker 3: You know, But when he just kept throwing up and
Speaker 3: then they just couldn't find him again.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh wow, like, where do you go?
Speaker 3: Yeah? So wait, I'm trying to what the episode? Now,
Speaker 3: did they arrest Doorman? Is he in jail? Or what
Speaker 3: happened to him at the end.
Speaker 2: I don't think they ever really said. I think they
Speaker 2: just went to the act being passed. I can't remember
Speaker 2: if they said it or not. You know, we just
Speaker 2: learned about because we went back to Simon that after that, Okay,
Speaker 2: what happened?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but but no, it was. It was definitely good.
Speaker 2: I really enjoyed this one by far the best, probably
Speaker 2: the best episode of the series.
Speaker 3: It's crazy on that don't have his as.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yep, not even a fucking it's not respectful to
Speaker 4: yah ya. It's not his fault. Just this episode, yeah,
Speaker 4: because we see yeah, yeah, I'm not shooting on.
Speaker 3: Yeah, y'all I fuck with him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, he was good.
Speaker 2: But yeah, you're right, you're right, Rod, Like his showed
Speaker 2: us why Simon is the way he is, Like he
Speaker 2: has the secret now he can't. So it made a
Speaker 2: lot of it made a lot of damn sense for
Speaker 2: him being that way. So yeah, five and six, Episodes
Speaker 2: five and six kind of go together. Uh, Simon and Trevor,
Speaker 2: they're kind of moving deeper into the audition process. Now
Speaker 2: episode five, that's the one with the kid on the
Speaker 2: scooter and the bike.
Speaker 1: At the end of this episode. Let me go back
Speaker 1: at the end of.
Speaker 2: Episode three, they get the call back and Simon is
Speaker 2: elated and he's happy and I and yep, and then
Speaker 2: they went to episode four and then we're episode five.
Speaker 2: So that's a big bone in the show. I need
Speaker 2: to make sure I spot like that because it seemed
Speaker 2: like it was it was a wrap for Simon. We
Speaker 2: knew he was going to get the call, but he
Speaker 2: didn't know he was going to get a call, so
Speaker 2: so it changed everything. And then in episode five, this
Speaker 2: was by far probably the week is well. I don't
Speaker 2: know the first one was a setup, but this one,
Speaker 2: this one was by far in terms of the whole thing.
Speaker 1: I think the weakest.
Speaker 2: To me, this was the one where at the bar
Speaker 2: they're out celebrating and I can't remember if Ben, who's
Speaker 2: been sober for thirteen years or Trevor's been otober for
Speaker 2: thirteen years, is drinking or not, but they kept ordering drinks.
Speaker 1: And then one of the persons.
Speaker 2: That Trevor screwed over came through and needed money for
Speaker 2: the drugs they gave him, and we really hear how
Speaker 2: messed up Trevor was because he ordered all kind of
Speaker 2: shit ate ball, a kind of shit ride took him outside,
Speaker 2: and Simon has used his powers to rescue him, saving
Speaker 2: from you know these these guys.
Speaker 3: You got a superpower moment, right he said this the word.
Speaker 2: No, this was this was cool, But we're five episodes.
Speaker 3: Again, the only thing we've seen so far.
Speaker 2: Is him just shaking like this and him creating some
Speaker 2: kind of weird art on the wall from the explosion.
Speaker 5: Now, I was saying, I know, you said you wish
Speaker 5: it was more superpowership shown, but I was like, this
Speaker 5: is the one episode where actually he actually was using
Speaker 5: him because he didn't want to.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it was the only time we got it though,
Speaker 2: which again at this point we know why and it
Speaker 2: made sense.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I totally got it by now.
Speaker 2: But no, it was good and there were consequences that
Speaker 2: came from it, and we see why he didn't want
Speaker 2: to do it, because this damn kids the record and
Speaker 2: it becomes this old wild goose chase that I honestly
Speaker 2: felt led to nothing.
Speaker 5: So they got they sent him, Oh yeah, they called
Speaker 5: him or he wanted to be caught.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and the drug dealer house.
Speaker 5: They're at the club, they go to the drug dealer's
Speaker 5: house or the candy dealer.
Speaker 3: And then did the damn control shows up? That's what
Speaker 3: shows up? Right, No, it was regular cops, I think, No,
Speaker 3: I think the regular cops.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah it was police. Yeah it
Speaker 1: was police that showed up.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, because they're they're you know, yeah,
Speaker 2: they're yeah exactly, but they're trying to get the bit.
Speaker 1: I'm like, what do we what is this for?
Speaker 5: Like, I don't you know, I don't know. Yeah, you're right,
Speaker 5: what was the point of this one? I'm trying to
Speaker 5: remember what was the end goal of this one.
Speaker 1: I don't know. There you have an overview of it.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm reading it not now.
Speaker 2: It doesn't really say anything meaningful because he's just trying
Speaker 2: to get to Esteban's house and they find out Esteban
Speaker 2: tells Jaden is lying about the whole business that they have,
Speaker 2: and the drug dealers show up and then they run
Speaker 2: out of the house and.
Speaker 3: Then they was trying to get ahold of the footage.
Speaker 1: That was it.
Speaker 2: That's maybe maybe its purpose was to show like the
Speaker 2: urgency of not being discovered, you know, and the consequences
Speaker 2: of that.
Speaker 3: But either way, because you like this, can't get out.
Speaker 1: This right, right? But yeah, it was weak. But we
Speaker 1: go to episode six and that's where we.
Speaker 2: You know, they meet up with van Kovac and they
Speaker 2: van Kovac, you know.
Speaker 1: Have them do a couple of different acting exercises.
Speaker 3: I like this either it was fine.
Speaker 1: It was fine.
Speaker 2: I think in terms of the whole story, I think
Speaker 2: it's a It's a key part in the story. So
Speaker 2: I think you needed it more than episode five. I
Speaker 2: don't feel I felt like episode five and we to
Speaker 2: listen to people that watched it to give me some
Speaker 2: insight into it.
Speaker 1: I'm open to change. In my mind, I felt like
Speaker 1: it didn't really sell a purpose, you know.
Speaker 2: And and but with this one, I think you see
Speaker 2: Simon's issues play out in real time because remember the
Speaker 2: first one and throughout a couple of other episodes, he
Speaker 2: needs to understand these characters in a way that isn't
Speaker 2: really important.
Speaker 1: Sometimes.
Speaker 2: We saw it in episode one, so he has he's
Speaker 2: asked the improv and we see Trevor Slattery and this
Speaker 2: other guy that killed it, this fool get up here
Speaker 2: and reenact, and.
Speaker 1: He did this whole scene.
Speaker 2: Y'all. I had no idea. And y'all tell me, did
Speaker 2: anybody know this shit was from Pretty Woman?
Speaker 5: It's not a familiar. When he was doing it, I
Speaker 5: was like, why does this sound for me? But no,
Speaker 5: I couldn't fully pinpoint it. But I was just like, man,
Speaker 5: he's such a student of the fucking game, Like he
Speaker 5: can't even come up with his own shit.
Speaker 3: He's just really good at reenacting and he's like drinking,
Speaker 3: Have man of you gott seen Pretty Woman? Yeah?
Speaker 4: I've probably seen bits and pieces. I've never watched the
Speaker 4: whole thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've seen it one two, Yeah. And when he's
Speaker 2: doing it, it was like throwing the glass down. I'm like, dang, bro,
Speaker 2: you're really destroying this man ship like this.
Speaker 3: But all the time everybody looking like like what are
Speaker 3: you doing?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was it was Trevor's face that it was
Speaker 2: like because I had to rewind it, but it was
Speaker 2: Trevor's face.
Speaker 1: I thought.
Speaker 2: When I first saw it, I was like, Trevor's like, man,
Speaker 2: you're going too far bro. But then when he said
Speaker 2: when von Kobe was like, yeah, you just did a
Speaker 2: scene from Pretty Woman, I'm disappoted, I was.
Speaker 5: Like what because he bodied it right on the outside
Speaker 5: of that he was bodying.
Speaker 3: He didn't know what. I was like, why are you
Speaker 3: breaking this man's ship? Like this is this is?
Speaker 4: What are you doing? It's you being fucking extra again,
Speaker 4: goofy ass.
Speaker 2: But you know, I think because I was wondering how
Speaker 2: he was going to do because at this point Trevor
Speaker 2: has helped him so much and he's trying to help
Speaker 2: him again, and he's about being who you are, be or.
Speaker 1: Think yourself, et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 2: And he wasn't doing that again, he was being somebody
Speaker 2: completely different. But it's also he's also in a situation
Speaker 2: where he has no control because he has the improv.
Speaker 3: He copped the attitude about it. It's like bro attitude
Speaker 3: the fu.
Speaker 1: So, yeah, he got caught off our guard and okay, Mike,
Speaker 1: let me ask you this. So when he was like, hey,
Speaker 1: I want another shot, and he got up there and
Speaker 1: he paired him up with the other guy and then he
Speaker 1: pushed that guy through the face.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they got me.
Speaker 4: But then when it was just a dream, I was like, man,
Speaker 4: I really don't like this.
Speaker 3: That was crazy.
Speaker 1: They get you through? Nah, I did it? Did that?
Speaker 3: Ship was crazy. It was just weird.
Speaker 4: If there was no blood or anything, like his head
Speaker 4: was like made a cake or particles.
Speaker 2: Yeah, in hindsight, like they got me to I'm not
Speaker 2: gonna lie because when it happened, because he was like
Speaker 2: you just a freak, and he just.
Speaker 1: Kept going off like we know, we know, and he
Speaker 1: punched him. He was like please stop, please stop. I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, Ship, I was like.
Speaker 3: Oh, I were finally getting somewhere.
Speaker 1: I was thinking the same thing because I was like, okay.
Speaker 2: What are they gonna do now? How they gonna get
Speaker 2: out of this? What's time I gonna do? How are
Speaker 2: the bro I was going through all this ship in
Speaker 2: my head.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was drinking. Then I was like, there's no
Speaker 1: way this could be fucking real. And it wasn't.
Speaker 3: I was like, damn, this was dodoo.
Speaker 2: But you know anyway, Uh, Trevor comes over and you know,
Speaker 2: he's kind of yeah, he walks out side, he's on
Speaker 2: the balcony. He's really disappointing himself. And Trevor, can I
Speaker 2: gets more advice or whatever? Okay, Mike, let me ask
Speaker 2: you this. At this point, do you think Trevor is
Speaker 2: being a good mentor to him?
Speaker 4: I think Trevor did as much as he could for
Speaker 4: what's the wonder man's name again, Simon?
Speaker 3: For Simon.
Speaker 4: If we didn't know about him being shady, I would
Speaker 4: think he was being a Yeah, I would think he's
Speaker 4: definitely being a good mentor.
Speaker 2: You don't feel like at this point he destroyed the
Speaker 2: evidence and then now he's at this point where it
Speaker 2: seems like he doesn't want to betray Simon and that
Speaker 2: he's starting to really believe in Simon. Right, So you
Speaker 2: still because he's shady, You're still not all the way
Speaker 2: there with him.
Speaker 1: Is assuming the mentorship.
Speaker 4: Role, I'm not all the way there with him because
Speaker 4: it's a show, and I'm just like, well, there has
Speaker 4: to be some kind of conflict so he can't have
Speaker 4: just become good all the way. But I also, honestly,
Speaker 4: I was so bored by the show. I honestly didn't
Speaker 4: even really think about it super hard. I was just like, Okay,
Speaker 4: all right, we're almost to the end, like two more episodes.
Speaker 1: Two more episodes, We almost done with that. Yeah, Rod.
Speaker 2: At this point, I think I was that I was like,
Speaker 2: you know what, Trevor's really being a good mentor to
Speaker 2: him in spite of all this stuff. So I was
Speaker 2: on board with Trevor. Yeah, Yeah, what about you? Yeah, Sam,
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: I liked the the relationship that they were building with
Speaker 5: the two, like it was almost like a buddy cop
Speaker 5: type of situation, but not a buddy cop situation. And Yeah,
Speaker 5: I just liked that they came from these two separate worlds,
Speaker 5: but the one thing of acting kind of brought them together.
Speaker 5: I like this, I want to see what they do
Speaker 5: with this.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: Seven and eight.
Speaker 2: So seven is the Kathy Freeman interview, and again Simon
Speaker 2: is placed in a situation where things are out of
Speaker 2: his control and he has to be somebody he's not
Speaker 2: used to being. We saw that in the previous episode.
Speaker 2: Now he has to pretend to be somebody that people like.
Speaker 2: And Rod real quick before I get into other stuff.
Speaker 2: Did you recognize the guy that was helping him? Where
Speaker 2: were black Guy? Episode seven? Katherin Freeman, he's a guy.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's from He's from He's from a couple of
Speaker 5: different places. He's from Insecure, insecure.
Speaker 2: Yeh, he was in rap shit. He wasn't rap shit.
Speaker 2: I forgot about rap shit thankfully.
Speaker 5: Brother he plays a Yeah, you're the black guy of
Speaker 5: the the basically the U the p A.
Speaker 2: Yeah it was on the golf car, but yeah it
Speaker 2: was a brother. I know that that boy isn't recognized.
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh that's all that's old boy.
Speaker 1: But it was cool.
Speaker 2: But yeah, So now Simon gotta pretend like.
Speaker 1: You know people.
Speaker 2: He gotta pretend like he didn't go get his own shit.
Speaker 2: He gotta pretend like you know people birthday. He's completely
Speaker 2: like being somebody he isn't. I thought this was going
Speaker 2: to come back to bite him because Kathy Freeman, from
Speaker 2: what they told us, was really good at seeing through
Speaker 2: the shit.
Speaker 1: But it didn't. It actually ended up backfire. It actually
Speaker 1: ended up.
Speaker 2: Getting Trevor Slattery instead, and she was calling him out
Speaker 2: about being arrested at LATS and all the working for
Speaker 2: the government.
Speaker 1: She's asking all of these questions, how did you feel.
Speaker 5: About the jump to them being popular after getting the
Speaker 5: roles because they didn't show that process. They didn't show like,
Speaker 5: wait what because at this point they're known and popular
Speaker 5: at this point, like he's wonder man.
Speaker 1: Trevor is I think I really honestly didn't pick up
Speaker 1: on that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's why they wanted to do a
Speaker 3: piece on him or whatever.
Speaker 1: I thought it was just all marketing promo.
Speaker 5: No, that that's why he had like they were getting
Speaker 5: him certain food and all that, like he was he
Speaker 5: was the guy.
Speaker 2: I thought that just came with the person working with
Speaker 2: this super popular van Kovac director.
Speaker 1: Oh that's what I thought. Popular.
Speaker 5: Maybe you know what, maybe maybe maybe that was it
Speaker 5: at the point. Yeah, you know, I think you're right, and.
Speaker 1: It was just going to his head, like you know,
Speaker 1: you know, because he even kind of just started. He
Speaker 1: used to start of movie. Basically, he's a started movie.
Speaker 2: He had a conversation with his with his girlfriend because
Speaker 2: Cathy said, yeah, I talked to your girlfriend. He was
Speaker 2: concerned about his secret. Mike, did you take anything from
Speaker 2: the conversation she had with with I think it's Vivian,
Speaker 2: his girlfriend Vivian.
Speaker 4: Where she was like, I've always known secret and stuff
Speaker 4: like that. H I've always known your secret. You just
Speaker 4: didn't want to tell me. And I was like, at
Speaker 4: this moment, I was like, Oh, is this some kind
Speaker 4: of metaphor for being gay or something, but that it's not.
Speaker 3: It's not.
Speaker 4: This whole time, I was just thinking to myself how
Speaker 4: boring this show was. I was like, they must be
Speaker 4: going somewhere. So when they had this conversation, I thought
Speaker 4: this was going to be leading to some big revelation.
Speaker 3: But it was more so just like I knew you
Speaker 3: had powers.
Speaker 2: Yeah it sounded like it, you know, yeah, I was,
Speaker 2: I'm with you. I don't think it was I think
Speaker 2: you know so it was more about you got powered,
Speaker 2: you just didn't trust to tell.
Speaker 4: Me that, right, Yeah, right, So I mean it could
Speaker 4: be a take on you know, you need people around
Speaker 4: you that you can trust, and he didn't realize he
Speaker 4: could trust her until it was too late, and she
Speaker 4: was gone, yeah, and he was and she picked up
Speaker 4: on the fact that he only hit her up because
Speaker 4: he knew she was being interviewed. She picked up on
Speaker 4: that immediately. So he's kind of coming off like a
Speaker 4: little bit of a douche. Yeah, you know what I mean,
Speaker 4: because it's like he didn't even reach out to her
Speaker 4: to apologize for the fact that he fucked the relationship up.
Speaker 4: Granted she we don't know much about her. She could
Speaker 4: have been trash too, because she was trying to bounce
Speaker 4: while he was at but but yeah, I just thought
Speaker 4: that this conversation was gonna go somewhere tangible instead of
Speaker 4: just kind of putting it out there that like he's
Speaker 4: not being emotionally available.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: The only other thing I got is just reaffirmed that
Speaker 2: Simon only cares about Simon.
Speaker 3: That's right.
Speaker 2: And she was clear to point that I had called
Speaker 2: him myself centered dick. Yep, you know, because here she is,
Speaker 2: you know, she has a role on severance And he listened,
Speaker 2: but then he went to this big whole thing about
Speaker 2: him and it's almost.
Speaker 5: Like he was like, oh damn, yeah, because even when
Speaker 5: he has flashbacks about it, it's only flashbacks about her
Speaker 5: helping him.
Speaker 4: Of course she didn't need to help. Apparently she's just fine.
Speaker 4: She's on fucking Severance. He's on wonder man. Yeah, yeah, cool,
Speaker 4: she actually did pop up in Severance.
Speaker 3: That would actually be kind of funny.
Speaker 1: I was wondering that she was actually really on there.
Speaker 1: I don't think the show is kind of being all
Speaker 1: meta and stuff.
Speaker 2: But anyway, so, yeah, so we get the big reveal
Speaker 2: from Trevor Or the admission after Kathy, Trevor admitted that, yeah,
Speaker 2: he had been playing them all all along.
Speaker 1: Was Simon right to feel hurt? I know the answer
Speaker 1: is yes, what you don't think? So?
Speaker 3: I couldn't vibe with this scene at all, man, at
Speaker 3: all I was. I couldn't vibe with him, like, you're
Speaker 3: supposed to be my friend.
Speaker 4: It's like, bro, you met you when he said the
Speaker 4: family ship, well family, she's like reunion.
Speaker 3: He was like my birthday, that little raggedy birthday party.
Speaker 5: No, so you had a white friend that was just
Speaker 5: on your side. You thought this motherfucker was cool with you,
Speaker 5: and then all of a sudden you find out he
Speaker 5: was trying to get intailed on you for Cop City.
Speaker 4: No, I guess. I guess it was hard for me
Speaker 4: to take the show seriously because it was just too
Speaker 4: much stuff on here where it was like, okay, that
Speaker 4: just felt goofy and silly.
Speaker 3: So when when.
Speaker 4: Yah Yahoo I think is a great actor. When Yah
Speaker 4: y'all is giving this performance of man, I thought you
Speaker 4: was my friend. I'm hurt.
Speaker 3: I'm just like, bro, this is the wrong show for this.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I thought they had a bond by this point.
Speaker 1: I did too.
Speaker 2: That's why I asked about the mentorship question earlier, because
Speaker 2: it's looked like they were really.
Speaker 1: Developing this friendship.
Speaker 3: I'm sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I definitely believed it then, Simon, And that's
Speaker 2: why he was he was hurt.
Speaker 3: He was because he was hurt.
Speaker 2: And when he was like we was like, man, that's
Speaker 2: some good acting right there or something. Though he said
Speaker 2: that's a eli performance.
Speaker 3: I bet your agent that I walked out.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 5: They had life and death situations where he said his
Speaker 5: life he thought he was genuine, you know, wanted to
Speaker 5: meet his family.
Speaker 3: He saved his life.
Speaker 2: Maybe that was the importers of that whack episode, just
Speaker 2: them being in that situation together to kind of create
Speaker 2: a closer bond.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, life, yeah that part. I wasn't even talking
Speaker 3: about that.
Speaker 5: I was talking about the when when he was fighting
Speaker 5: the guys outside and he revealed his power.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah yeah, well yeah yeah, but yeah that's not
Speaker 2: the same episode. Yeah episode.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they changed him after that, yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, damn.
Speaker 5: Oh that's right, because I was telling you, like, oh,
Speaker 5: that was some action ship but yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: I think they was. Yeah, you're right.
Speaker 5: I think they were using all that to show the
Speaker 5: bond and what they both are willing to sacrifice. He
Speaker 5: was like, I was willing to sacrifice. We didn't see it.
Speaker 5: The whole time. He's been trying to trying to not
Speaker 5: reveal his powers it, but in this moment he was
Speaker 5: just like fuck it, I'll do it for him or whatever.
Speaker 3: So yeah, and then for you to just try to
Speaker 3: fund me over in the end, like, yeah, that's fucked up.
Speaker 5: I was like, damn, damn, that's messed up. Yeah, Like
Speaker 5: they nailed that moment A being so hard on the
Speaker 5: show man.
Speaker 3: I just don't understand.
Speaker 1: What did you want.
Speaker 3: I didn't want anything. I didn't want to watch this.
Speaker 4: I didn't want to see Ben Kingsley and yah Ya
Speaker 4: in something like this. I didn't want anything. Only positive
Speaker 4: I can give is the fact that episodes were fucking
Speaker 4: thirty five minutes long.
Speaker 5: I got you, No, that was I mean, yeah, I couldn't.
Speaker 5: I couldn't do this if the episodes were hour I
Speaker 5: will say that.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, episodes are an hour long.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they definitely did a good job of getting us
Speaker 2: in and out. But we saw like a very similar
Speaker 2: situation the Doorman, which is why the episode was so
Speaker 2: good kind of show like, because Simon walked out, he
Speaker 2: got mad, and he just blew up and everything fall apart,
Speaker 2: hit com dc uh and he's basically busted.
Speaker 1: All right, Mike.
Speaker 2: Did you like when he called the mom and did
Speaker 2: you feel this scene?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah, because I I, for some reason, I felt the
Speaker 4: connection between him and his mother more than I felt
Speaker 4: it between him and the Mandarin. So him calling his mama,
Speaker 4: that's what we do when we're in trouble. I was like, okay, yeah,
Speaker 4: that was cool. And I did like him losing control
Speaker 4: and blowing the building up and all that, But then
Speaker 4: I was just like, how are you gonna get out
Speaker 4: of this bro?
Speaker 1: Same?
Speaker 3: How are you gonna get out of this one?
Speaker 1: Same?
Speaker 2: And the Mandarin took the fall, yeah, which I was
Speaker 2: confused by that because I'm like, okay, and I guess
Speaker 2: he had to take the wind, which is what he said,
Speaker 2: because I'm like, bro, you know, getting down will to
Speaker 2: matter and do that now the manneran sold it, but
Speaker 2: I'm like, and I guess he had to take it.
Speaker 2: But I'm like, your whole objective was to get Simon.
Speaker 2: This is a Simon and I know he made with
Speaker 2: his boss earlier.
Speaker 1: So I don't know.
Speaker 2: The DC whole thing was a little bit confusing. It
Speaker 2: was just like kind of there, yeah, to kind of
Speaker 2: push Trevor to do what he was doing. But nevertheless
Speaker 2: Manderin took the fall. But yeah, Ron, I did like
Speaker 2: this scene. And you could tell Rad that the mom
Speaker 2: picked up immediately on what was happening because he had
Speaker 2: a lot earlier to her about American horror story.
Speaker 1: Yea, So did you did you feel this this thing?
Speaker 3: Yeah? I liked it. Yeah, I like that called him mommy.
Speaker 5: Just shows like somebody big and tough steal of vulnerable ship,
Speaker 5: a running mom you know what I'm saying, so I
Speaker 5: did like that aspect as well.
Speaker 2: Uh So pretty much we at the end. So basically
Speaker 2: what happens from here. The movie goes out, it becomes
Speaker 2: a success. They're popular, yes, yes, now.
Speaker 1: They're they're extremely popular. So he's the big stuff. The
Speaker 1: brother is proud of him.
Speaker 2: Now I should mention that Trevor Simon was concerned about
Speaker 2: the brother and what he would say in the interview
Speaker 2: to Kathy Friedman.
Speaker 3: Saying positive things about yep, yeah.
Speaker 1: Which was which was good. Yeah, it was nice. But
Speaker 1: what is he gonna say?
Speaker 3: Now?
Speaker 1: His brother made it right, so you know.
Speaker 2: Now back then you want me right right?
Speaker 1: So that big success.
Speaker 2: And then Simon goes to meet some guy named Chuck Eastwood.
Speaker 5: Before you get there, this is the callback to the
Speaker 5: Matrix guy. He got the role over, yes, over, because
Speaker 5: Trevor was in jail. Trevor was in jail, ended up
Speaker 5: getting the role as Barnaby, so end up getting this
Speaker 5: getting this job again.
Speaker 3: I just.
Speaker 2: I thought that was crazy. Uh So, yeah, so now
Speaker 2: we had Chuck Eastman. He said he's there at the
Speaker 2: interview for a role. So he spending time with the people,
Speaker 2: and I like to slow reveal here.
Speaker 1: You know what when when? When it was happening, I
Speaker 1: wrote down because.
Speaker 2: As I was taking notes and I was watching it,
Speaker 2: I was like, is he going to break him out?
Speaker 3: This is what y'all thought.
Speaker 4: The second he showed up at his door, I was like,
Speaker 4: that's a security guard for the prison. Because the scene
Speaker 4: before that, I forgot what somebody said something to him
Speaker 4: that referenced Trevor. So it made it very clear that
Speaker 4: they were saying, like, you should kind of feel bad
Speaker 4: for Trevor.
Speaker 3: So the very next scene.
Speaker 4: He's just like, I'm practicing for this role and I
Speaker 4: just want to follow you around.
Speaker 3: I was like, Oh, he's a security guard. He's a
Speaker 3: fucking security guard.
Speaker 5: Wow, Like I would have never got that, Like because
Speaker 5: because he's such a successful actor, now he got the
Speaker 5: role he wanted, Like, why would you risk this in this.
Speaker 4: Moment because of the scene before that somebody said something
Speaker 4: about Trevor.
Speaker 3: Oh maybe I missed that.
Speaker 4: I forget what it was, but there was some scene
Speaker 4: right before this one that reference Trevor.
Speaker 3: Interesting, so yes, I must have missed that.
Speaker 4: I was like, Oh, he's going He's going to break
Speaker 4: him out because I was even thinking earlier than that
Speaker 4: when it made it seem like, oh, it been like
Speaker 4: a year or something and dude's been in jail.
Speaker 3: I was like, you didn't go break him out? Whole ass? Motherfuck?
Speaker 1: Are you?
Speaker 2: He felt betrayed while we gonna go get him out
Speaker 2: because he him sacrificing himself for you kind of evens
Speaker 2: y'all out.
Speaker 3: But so I was like, you're gonna lead the man
Speaker 3: in jail.
Speaker 4: You a whole hole a star now? Shit, he a
Speaker 4: star hole. He hit him with that Tracy Morgan's I
Speaker 4: didn't do that right? He said, what's that got to
Speaker 4: do with me? I remember you, I remember you. I
Speaker 4: didn't know Rod, but I definitely wrote it down.
Speaker 2: I said, there's no way he's going to break him
Speaker 2: out because the reason why it was a question, not
Speaker 2: a declarative, like I didn't know, because I was like, So,
Speaker 2: I was like, because of the reason you just said,
Speaker 2: you are a star now, why would you go break
Speaker 2: him out of risk everything?
Speaker 5: You're a high profile actor now. And I was like,
Speaker 5: there's no way he's going to do this. And of
Speaker 5: course he did. And the way they slowly.
Speaker 2: Started to do it, I'm here, you know, I can't
Speaker 2: know for the role and blah blah blah, and then
Speaker 2: something Chuck said. He was like, oh, yeah, I got
Speaker 2: you in and your name is Alfonso.
Speaker 3: That was kind of funny.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And the way I looked at him when he
Speaker 5: said it was funny, like racist motherfucker.
Speaker 4: The only thing that kind of bugged me was this
Speaker 4: whole show started out with damage control keeping tabs on him.
Speaker 4: How was he able to go back to damage control
Speaker 4: and go in there?
Speaker 3: Now?
Speaker 5: That was that, but it's the it's the whole Marvel
Speaker 5: trope though you're throwing a.
Speaker 3: Hat and somebody else.
Speaker 4: But even before that, Yeah, specifically, Marvel did that a lot.
Speaker 3: Got got captain Captain America ship.
Speaker 2: Where they keeping track of him with was Trevor. How
Speaker 2: they managed to keep track of him and not necessarily.
Speaker 4: Even if it was Trevor. Once Trevor was gone, they
Speaker 4: knew where he was.
Speaker 1: They should have been keeping tabs on him anyway.
Speaker 5: Yeah, right, so they couldn't after that point because I
Speaker 5: don't think they had Oh yeah, yeah, you remember the captain.
Speaker 5: Yeah that he couldn't do it anymore. He had he
Speaker 5: had a superior that was allowing him to keep track
Speaker 5: on Trevor. But when but once they got the Mandol.
Speaker 1: The case was closed.
Speaker 3: The case is closed. They couldn't.
Speaker 1: They couldn't. He could see that, he can devote resources
Speaker 1: to that.
Speaker 4: That's why I didn't like any of this, because it
Speaker 4: was like he he blew the building up.
Speaker 3: You as damage control?
Speaker 4: No, goddamn well that was not Trevor, you know that
Speaker 4: was yeah, yeah, Simon.
Speaker 3: So why did you even close the case because it
Speaker 3: wasn't him is a superior? Why did the superior close
Speaker 3: the case?
Speaker 4: If this is damaged control and the whole point is
Speaker 4: you're keeping track of enhanced humans, why would you close
Speaker 4: the case when you know, damn well, he just blew
Speaker 4: a building up.
Speaker 3: Because they rather than Mandarin. That's why he was saying.
Speaker 5: He's like, because the Mandarins ship was way worse than
Speaker 5: what the threat of Simon.
Speaker 1: They could have thrown them, no what because he's a
Speaker 1: known villain.
Speaker 3: Everybody knows him. Know.
Speaker 4: What I'm saying is that they could have thrown the
Speaker 4: Mandarin in jail at any point, because yeah, the man
Speaker 4: who broke out of jail, and the only reason the
Speaker 4: manner was helping them is because they were like, we
Speaker 4: can put you back in jail.
Speaker 3: He didn't.
Speaker 1: He didn't.
Speaker 5: He didn't break out of jail. He got he got
Speaker 5: a less he got a lesson.
Speaker 3: Case he broke out of jail.
Speaker 1: Kathley broke out.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, he didn't. They said that. He said,
Speaker 3: I didn't break out. I was released, is what?
Speaker 4: But why would he say that if why would he
Speaker 4: even have a reason to say that if somebody else did.
Speaker 3: A trial, he went through the trial and he won.
Speaker 4: Okay, fine, don't I don't want to get stuck on
Speaker 4: that part. Let's say he was released. They were blackmailing
Speaker 4: him for the entire show, saying, we will throw you
Speaker 4: back in jail if you don't help us. So they
Speaker 4: could have thrown him back in jail at any point.
Speaker 4: So why would you wait until the end of the show.
Speaker 4: You know, damn well, wonder Man just blew a building up,
Speaker 4: and then you go ahead and take Mandarin back in
Speaker 4: when you know Mandarin.
Speaker 3: Didn't do it.
Speaker 4: It doesn't make any sense to me now, And this
Speaker 4: is not I I'm not shitting on the show and
Speaker 4: saying it doesn't make any sense. I'm assuming I must
Speaker 4: have missed something because this shit made no sense. You
Speaker 4: took Mandarin back to jail and then you did not
Speaker 4: even bother to keep tabs on wonder Man even though
Speaker 4: the entire show started, because you were keeping tabs on
Speaker 4: wonder Man. So you let wonder Man go, go find
Speaker 4: this security guard guy, sneak back into your building and
Speaker 4: break dude out. What y'all motherfuckers are? Sorry as shit,
Speaker 4: they were. I must have we must have missed something.
Speaker 3: You had to have.
Speaker 2: No, you make a fairly good point, like if I
Speaker 2: shot at Bail, it's like we can't track him because
Speaker 2: he's a Hollywood superstar now, But nah, you know he's
Speaker 2: a threat because you're doing research on him. They're talking
Speaker 2: about eels and stuff when he's walking through, so you're
Speaker 2: still looking for him and you know what he can do.
Speaker 1: So I don't know why they didn't know he was
Speaker 1: there and even when.
Speaker 2: He drove by, But I guess all black people look
Speaker 2: like because he looked like he was like, hey, you
Speaker 2: look for men, even though the other guy recognized him,
Speaker 2: Like right right, there's no way Denzel can tell you
Speaker 2: that I'm just doing karaoke.
Speaker 3: Well you think John David Washington did get by no
Speaker 3: them teeth?
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think who else?
Speaker 5: Well they would again, they were making it. That's the
Speaker 5: whole Marvel trope. And when they put on the hat
Speaker 5: there automatically I feel you. But you're in this big
Speaker 5: successful wonder Man movie. Captain America.
Speaker 1: Bruh.
Speaker 5: They show him walking through buildings with a hat on,
Speaker 5: and nobody recognized who Captain America is just.
Speaker 3: Because he has on the hat.
Speaker 4: I can give it that ball, Yeah, I can say, Okay,
Speaker 4: find y'all didn't recognize him. I cannot give it the
Speaker 4: bail of y'all just stopped surveilling him at all. This
Speaker 4: They were talking about how dangerous he was two episodes prior.
Speaker 4: He's really dangerous, so y'all just stopped tracking him. Yeah,
Speaker 4: there has to be so think I'm missing but I'm
Speaker 4: not trying to go back and watch no more it is.
Speaker 1: I don't think you. I don't think you missed.
Speaker 3: That just seems like whack writing. I don't, I don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they probably dropped the ball there and they just
Speaker 2: wanted to just get him out, you know, And I
Speaker 2: think that was it.
Speaker 1: It was just that simple.
Speaker 2: We're not going to kind of explain how or why
Speaker 2: or any logic of how he's managed to come to
Speaker 2: this place this wherever they were, you can't track that,
Speaker 2: like you would think there would be some type of
Speaker 2: machine that can pick up their extra ions in the
Speaker 2: in the city state or wherever they were at.
Speaker 4: But you know, yeah, this just this just this was
Speaker 4: way too convenient even for Marvel.
Speaker 1: But and there was no guards there. He just walked
Speaker 1: right in because he was with the guard I know, but.
Speaker 2: Still there were no other security guards for the Mandarin,
Speaker 2: Like you know, It's just it was a very unsecure facility,
Speaker 2: so it's in a remote place. Maybe they didn't feel
Speaker 2: the need, maybe they know the Mandery don't really have power,
Speaker 2: and then per see them a threat, not thinking that
Speaker 2: Simon's gonna come break him out of jail anyway.
Speaker 4: But I think you would also assume that they're keeping
Speaker 4: people with powers there because it's it's damage control. And
Speaker 4: when Simon's walking down the hall, he's walking by these
Speaker 4: these prison rooms, and I'm assuming there's like real people
Speaker 4: in there, like powerful people should be, should be because
Speaker 4: it's damage control. But yeah, there's no guards watching. I
Speaker 4: let that go. But him just getting to the thing
Speaker 4: and then being like, hold on to me, I'm gonna
Speaker 4: fly u.
Speaker 3: Out of here. And I was like, are y'all serious
Speaker 3: about to end like this?
Speaker 1: But that was the part that I did, like, did
Speaker 1: or didn't? I did? I did?
Speaker 2: I did given even even with the critiques. I acknowledged
Speaker 2: the critiques about you know, them not keeping track of him,
Speaker 2: that is an issue. But I was like, oh, we
Speaker 2: finally hear it was like the full story and he
Speaker 2: went back to save his friend.
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm with you. Hi'm like, man, you're
Speaker 1: really gonna leave his dude in jail like that.
Speaker 3: I knew he wasn't gonna do that. I was, He's
Speaker 3: gonna go get him out. But then I was left
Speaker 3: with the question, is Simon a villain?
Speaker 1: Now?
Speaker 2: I mean I broke the Mandarin out of jail? Who
Speaker 2: is who was covered on national television of destroying.
Speaker 1: A Hollywood place?
Speaker 3: Oh you mean villain?
Speaker 4: To yes, in the context of the show, yeah I would,
Speaker 4: I would imagine. Well, but yeah, but they can't prove it.
Speaker 4: That was the other thing too, that because the cameras
Speaker 4: didn't work, so there's no proof that he did it.
Speaker 1: All. They have the ion, the traces of Ion.
Speaker 3: Right, and they can't use that to prove it. With him.
Speaker 4: The only thing they have is buddy the white guy
Speaker 4: that let him in and he bought him off.
Speaker 3: He bought him off.
Speaker 4: So there's you know, now, can they threaten to like
Speaker 4: throw you in jail if you don't tell us? I
Speaker 4: would assume yes, you have direct like you let somebody
Speaker 4: in that broke our prisoner out. I don't give a
Speaker 4: fuck how much money you have. We're gonna throw you
Speaker 4: in jail if you don't tell us. So that was
Speaker 4: the other thing I was thinking at the end of
Speaker 4: the show, I was like, you just ruined this fucking
Speaker 4: guy's life.
Speaker 3: I was thinking the same.
Speaker 4: This guy was binding his own fucking business.
Speaker 3: Yo.
Speaker 4: Black ass showed up and said, I'm gonna use you
Speaker 4: to break my friend out of jail. Here's a couple
Speaker 4: thousand dollars. That's fucking foul. That's foul. Now this dude
Speaker 4: might go to jail because of you.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I was really like at the end of this, I
Speaker 4: was like, I don't understand what the fuck did I
Speaker 4: just watch?
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 4: I'm really I'm happy for people, but I was really
Speaker 4: surprised by the praise. I thought this was as bad
Speaker 4: as she Hulk, but a lot of people seem to
Speaker 4: be loving it.
Speaker 3: So that's wonderful for Marvel.
Speaker 4: I'm happy for Yeah, yeah, I'm happy for Ben Kingsley
Speaker 4: because he's an incredible actor. But this shit, no, sir, no, ma'am,
Speaker 4: I do not need a season two. I don't really
Speaker 4: need to see what you're gonna do to Doomsday. The dudes,
Speaker 4: they ain't gonna know. He ain't gonna know what to
Speaker 4: do when y'all y'all show up, Doctor Due, ain't gonna
Speaker 4: know what the fuck to do when wonder Man show up,
Speaker 4: busting with them ions and ship, I got you boy
Speaker 4: doing monologues and whatnot.
Speaker 3: The fucking Festbian Hero showed that he was he was.
Speaker 2: Yeah, apparently he's pretty pretty powerful. Like the back out
Speaker 2: of that like that. Yeah, well, well well we'll close out. Yeah,
Speaker 2: any final thoughts as we close out?
Speaker 5: No, I just looked up the whole Mandarin ship. Yeah,
Speaker 5: it's apparently like a Marvel one shot, fourteen minute serie
Speaker 5: thing about the Mandarins call all hell the King, and
Speaker 5: I guess that's where he gets broken out. So I
Speaker 5: guess that's a call back for you know, to that.
Speaker 5: I was like, oh shit, I never knew this existed.
Speaker 5: Came out in twenty fourteen. It seems like it's pretty.
Speaker 5: It's on, It's on, It's on Disney. If anybody, it's
Speaker 5: called Marvel one shot all hell machine.
Speaker 3: I didn't see that one, but I do.
Speaker 2: I have watched some of the other stuff that they have,
Speaker 2: but I can't see that one.
Speaker 3: It's like fourteen minutes long. Yiod Nope. May you get
Speaker 3: context to this? I'm pretty sure it does.
Speaker 4: I don't need context. Y'all just got telling me how
Speaker 4: to fuck. Y'all didn't know this motherfucker was walking around
Speaker 4: hat the hat man. The hat broke all the tracers
Speaker 4: and stuff too. Maybe they can't trace him because the
Speaker 4: his ion powers break the tracers.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they showed that.
Speaker 1: No, no, it just broke the camp campus.
Speaker 3: He's talking about the tracers track.
Speaker 1: Either way, I go, I like you watching it.
Speaker 2: Halfway through, I was like, when I saw nothing like
Speaker 2: Marvel has ever done, Like.
Speaker 1: What are they talking about?
Speaker 3: It's kind of not right.
Speaker 2: When I got to the end, I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: like I needed I was telling them I needed all
Speaker 2: episodes for this thing. I needed the complete story for
Speaker 2: this thing to work for me because separately, yeah, no,
Speaker 2: But when.
Speaker 1: I got to the end, I was like oh, okay,
Speaker 1: from here to here cool. I like what they did, a.
Speaker 2: Complete one shot story, and I'm good. I'm trying not
Speaker 2: to ask how does he fit into the bigger Marvel
Speaker 2: Doomsday and all the other shit.
Speaker 1: I'm just good what we got. Let's move on.
Speaker 4: He didn't say wonder Man will returning Doomsday, so I'm
Speaker 4: assuming wonder Man is out.
Speaker 1: Give me Trevor off somewhere.
Speaker 3: He's not a hero.
Speaker 4: The second he hear oh the mask, motherfucker fighting, I'm
Speaker 4: not going over there.
Speaker 3: Why would I go help?
Speaker 1: Nah?
Speaker 3: Bro?
Speaker 1: Yeah, but no, y'all.
Speaker 3: Can have this. I'm sorry, but cocudos. People that liked it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was really surprised until I finished it how
Speaker 2: many people were really enjoying it.
Speaker 1: I thought they were just I thought they were lying. Honestly.
Speaker 4: I just went to Twitter because I didn't want to
Speaker 4: watch it. I went to Twitter and everyone was like, man,
Speaker 4: wonder Man is great. I was like, what really?
Speaker 2: I thought they were just saying because he was black.
Speaker 2: But maybe they will leave it there, man, unlike Malaya. Damn,
Speaker 2: we'll leave it there.
Speaker 1: Man, We'll catch you any closing dollars boys, get out
Speaker 1: of there.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 5: No, I personally enjoyed it, and I'd be curious to
Speaker 5: see what they do with this. Yeah, yeah, because it
Speaker 5: was different. It was different. Yeah, I'll be curious, man.
Speaker 5: And I you know, I want the representation because I
Speaker 5: did not like iron Hart.
Speaker 4: I liked iron Heart more than this, really, absolutely, and
Speaker 4: I did not like iron Heart at all.
Speaker 3: Damn.
Speaker 2: I'm not like iron Hard hard Yeah, alright, man, Well
Speaker 2: we'll leave it there.
Speaker 1: Man, we'll get you guys next time. We off peace.
Speaker 3: Mike don't like black superheroes. I don't