1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,880 Speaker 1: The Indiana Pacers now headed into a stretch with a 2 00:00:02,880 --> 00:00:04,520 Speaker 1: lot of practice time. I would think, here with just 3 00:00:04,519 --> 00:00:06,840 Speaker 1: two games in the next nine days or so, and 4 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:10,120 Speaker 1: talk more about it. Rick Carlisle joins us now coach, 5 00:00:10,160 --> 00:00:10,760 Speaker 1: Good morning to you. 6 00:00:10,840 --> 00:00:12,720 Speaker 2: How you doing doing fine? 7 00:00:13,560 --> 00:00:16,440 Speaker 1: Big fourth quarter from your top three last night? Some 8 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:19,760 Speaker 1: shot making certainly as the lead evaporate, and I thought 9 00:00:19,840 --> 00:00:22,919 Speaker 1: some big time hustle plays from the great story that 10 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:25,960 Speaker 1: is Ethan Thompson. What what did you see change there 11 00:00:26,360 --> 00:00:28,800 Speaker 1: once Sacramento took the lead there late. 12 00:00:29,880 --> 00:00:34,600 Speaker 2: Well, we we button things down defensively. That was a 13 00:00:34,600 --> 00:00:38,120 Speaker 2: big thing. I mean, you know, a seventeen point defensive 14 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:43,800 Speaker 2: quarter in the fourth was absolutely needed. And right now, 15 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:46,440 Speaker 2: you know, our identity has got to be that we're 16 00:00:46,479 --> 00:00:51,800 Speaker 2: a defense first team. There's evidence that were very capable 17 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:53,960 Speaker 2: of it. You know, last eight games, I think we're 18 00:00:54,760 --> 00:00:56,840 Speaker 2: ranked fourth and defense in the league. I mean that's 19 00:00:56,840 --> 00:01:02,360 Speaker 2: a real positive thing. You know, offensive, you know, things 20 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:05,600 Speaker 2: things come and go with shot making and this, that 21 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:08,240 Speaker 2: and the other. But uh, you know, the defense in 22 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:10,640 Speaker 2: the fourth was key. And then you know Nemhart had 23 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:15,080 Speaker 2: a monster game. Uh Siakam played extremely well, as you know, 24 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:19,960 Speaker 2: virtually it seems like he always does. And then Matturn 25 00:01:20,080 --> 00:01:25,160 Speaker 2: was was terrific and so good win. Uh we got 26 00:01:25,160 --> 00:01:27,880 Speaker 2: a more or less an off day today, two days 27 00:01:27,880 --> 00:01:30,880 Speaker 2: of practice and then hit the Philly rick. 28 00:01:30,959 --> 00:01:33,920 Speaker 3: When you look at Andrew Nimharne's career, and I'm thinking 29 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:36,160 Speaker 3: back to his rookie season, I believe he had a 30 00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:38,440 Speaker 3: game winner against the Lakers at the buzzer. So he's 31 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:40,800 Speaker 3: made big shots before, but how have you seen him 32 00:01:41,240 --> 00:01:44,360 Speaker 3: just continue to grow in those fourth quarters, the big 33 00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 3: moments and embrace the challenges that kind of a way 34 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:48,080 Speaker 3: when things get tight. 35 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:53,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, fearless player, you know it really is. And had 36 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:56,560 Speaker 2: a you know, had an attitude of just kind of 37 00:01:56,560 --> 00:02:00,240 Speaker 2: this moxie when he came in here as a as 38 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:03,600 Speaker 2: a first year player, you know he was he was 39 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:06,360 Speaker 2: good in training camp. You know, he's one of our 40 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:13,280 Speaker 2: better defensive players. Was not spectacular offensively, but we knew that. 41 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:17,000 Speaker 2: You know, he had the lineage, you know, he had 42 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:21,320 Speaker 2: the career at Gonzaga. I think they went to the 43 00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:24,000 Speaker 2: final game or the final four, whatever, it was his 44 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:28,120 Speaker 2: senior year, and I didn't even play in game one 45 00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:32,240 Speaker 2: that year. Game two I think we played maybe in 46 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 2: Detroit that we played or something, but he we needed 47 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:38,360 Speaker 2: him to guard I think Kate Cunningham in his rookie 48 00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:41,520 Speaker 2: year and he and he came in there and and 49 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:45,520 Speaker 2: was terrific and really solid, and then it became clear 50 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:49,880 Speaker 2: that the thing to do maybe to put him as 51 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:53,720 Speaker 2: a secondary ball handler and a hybrid two guard and 52 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:55,639 Speaker 2: a guy that could take a matchup to start games. 53 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:57,640 Speaker 2: And so you know, he kind of ended up going 54 00:02:57,720 --> 00:03:03,720 Speaker 2: that direction and in relatively short order, and that's how 55 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:07,720 Speaker 2: it's gone. Now this year, the role is is extremely different, 56 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:11,800 Speaker 2: you know, being the main guy with the ball, the 57 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:14,480 Speaker 2: main guy taking a matchup, and so one of the 58 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:17,519 Speaker 2: challenges has been, you know, who can we put next 59 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:20,200 Speaker 2: to him, they can give us a little ball handling, 60 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:25,079 Speaker 2: who is also a solid defender, you know, who can 61 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:27,480 Speaker 2: make an open shot, you know when when when he's 62 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:30,000 Speaker 2: feeling the heat and getting a lot of extra attention. 63 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 2: And so, you know, the irony is Shepherd had played 64 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:35,720 Speaker 2: played one of his best games against Denver and then 65 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:39,360 Speaker 2: then he got banged up. And so you know, we're 66 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:42,200 Speaker 2: in Chicago and you know, we had had Ethan Thompson 67 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:44,520 Speaker 2: on the on the roster for a couple of days 68 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:46,880 Speaker 2: and I just felt, you know, it's time to give 69 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:51,160 Speaker 2: this guy an early look. And it's a twenty five 70 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:53,240 Speaker 2: or twenty six year old guy, so you know, it's 71 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:56,680 Speaker 2: not like he's your typical first year player. He's been 72 00:03:56,680 --> 00:04:00,480 Speaker 2: playing professional basketball for five or six years. He he 73 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:04,880 Speaker 2: just has a moxie and a and a tone about him, 74 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:09,520 Speaker 2: you know, where he's just unafraid, looks like he belongs. 75 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 2: And uh, you know, he stepped right out in the 76 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:13,720 Speaker 2: end of the game against Chicago and Frank it was 77 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:16,280 Speaker 2: hard to get him out of the game, you know. So, uh, 78 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:18,360 Speaker 2: he did well there last night. You know, I thought 79 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:22,159 Speaker 2: he was was solid again and so, uh, you know 80 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:26,280 Speaker 2: that's as you mentioned, that's that's a that's a really 81 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:29,599 Speaker 2: nice story. And as we move forward, you know, we're 82 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:32,680 Speaker 2: going to keep trying to get guys a little healthier 83 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:35,960 Speaker 2: each day and uh and keeping it keep working on 84 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 2: who we are. 85 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:38,440 Speaker 1: Rick, for those of mine have missed it, could you 86 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:42,560 Speaker 1: share on specifically that Friday game with Chicago. I don't 87 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:45,400 Speaker 1: know if maybe you found out Shepherd's status for the game, 88 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:48,599 Speaker 1: but you know, Ethan Thompson was originally I think drilling 89 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:52,359 Speaker 1: was some of your developmental guys over at the United Center, 90 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:55,320 Speaker 1: and then you realize what it was going to look 91 00:04:55,320 --> 00:04:56,680 Speaker 1: like for you that night, and that he was going 92 00:04:56,760 --> 00:04:58,599 Speaker 1: to play important minutes for you, and you had to 93 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:01,000 Speaker 1: make a call over there to say, hey, we got 94 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:02,840 Speaker 1: to get Ethan Thompson off the floor. He's gonna play 95 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:07,360 Speaker 1: some pivotal minutes for the big league tonight. How how 96 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:10,240 Speaker 1: unique is that? And I guess what does that say about? 97 00:05:10,320 --> 00:05:12,239 Speaker 1: You know, this kid who just made his NBA debut 98 00:05:12,279 --> 00:05:13,120 Speaker 1: a few nights earlier. 99 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:17,800 Speaker 2: It's it's it's it's certainly not a typical year in 100 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:20,680 Speaker 2: a lot of ways. And we knew, we knew Shepherd 101 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:23,599 Speaker 2: wasn't gonna play. He wasn't on the trip. You know, 102 00:05:23,640 --> 00:05:27,320 Speaker 2: the question was, you know, uh, the plan was to 103 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:31,760 Speaker 2: start Matthews, who had been playing well, and then you know, 104 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:33,599 Speaker 2: kind of go from there. And it seemed to me 105 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:35,120 Speaker 2: like the best thing to do would be to start 106 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:38,400 Speaker 2: Matthews and then you know, we'll toss uh, we'll toss 107 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:41,840 Speaker 2: Ethan in there. But you know what happened was we 108 00:05:41,880 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 2: had some of our interns come up to Chicago. You know, 109 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:47,520 Speaker 2: we're working on getting Quintin Jackson back. One of the 110 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:50,359 Speaker 2: things he needs to do is is play and so 111 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:54,640 Speaker 2: after shoot around on Friday, a group of low minute 112 00:05:54,640 --> 00:05:59,240 Speaker 2: guys and interns, we're gonna play and you know that's 113 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:05,440 Speaker 2: Tyalen Peter, that's as Quinton Jackson. I think Ethan assumed 114 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:07,280 Speaker 2: he was part of the part of that group too, 115 00:06:07,320 --> 00:06:09,599 Speaker 2: which you know, which is good, you know, and look, 116 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:12,120 Speaker 2: if he had played, it probably wouldn't have you know, 117 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:15,160 Speaker 2: may not have made that big a difference. But as 118 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:17,040 Speaker 2: we're on the bus headed back to the hotel after 119 00:06:17,080 --> 00:06:22,760 Speaker 2: shooting around, you know, I called over there to see 120 00:06:22,839 --> 00:06:26,400 Speaker 2: if he was playing, because my plan was, you know, 121 00:06:26,480 --> 00:06:28,120 Speaker 2: not going to be to start him, but to get 122 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:30,159 Speaker 2: him in the game pretty early. And somebody said, yeah, 123 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:32,160 Speaker 2: they know, they just started playing. I said, well, pull 124 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:34,800 Speaker 2: him out because he's probably gonna play. He's gonna play 125 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:37,480 Speaker 2: minutes tonight, I don't know how many. And so they 126 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:39,840 Speaker 2: pulled him out, you know. So that was that was 127 00:06:39,920 --> 00:06:42,240 Speaker 2: kind of it. But that's that's how this year has 128 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:46,240 Speaker 2: kind of been. There's been some unique aspects to it. 129 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:50,880 Speaker 2: Challenges slash opportunities, and so, you know, one of the 130 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:53,440 Speaker 2: one of the challenges is the injuries. And then a 131 00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:56,440 Speaker 2: great example of opportunity is is Ethan Thompson being the 132 00:06:56,480 --> 00:06:57,360 Speaker 2: right place at the right time. 133 00:06:57,800 --> 00:07:00,840 Speaker 1: Page has one four of six. Again, as Carlisle laid out, 134 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:02,839 Speaker 1: there a little bit of time off. They'll have Philly 135 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:05,480 Speaker 1: in Washington coming up on a Friday and Sunday, but 136 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:07,560 Speaker 1: not a ton of game action here over the next 137 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:12,800 Speaker 1: ten days or so. Coach, your next win will be 138 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:17,280 Speaker 1: one thousand for your career. I think you'd become I 139 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 1: believe it's the eleventh coach in NBA history to reach 140 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:25,160 Speaker 1: the Comma mark, if you will. Does that matter to 141 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:27,440 Speaker 1: you at all? Does that mean anything to you? That number? 142 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:31,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. I you know, I it al 143 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:33,960 Speaker 2: leayst feels like it's the best not to talk about 144 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:38,160 Speaker 2: things like this and just and just try to keep going, 145 00:07:38,320 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 2: you know, but look it just it just means I've 146 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:46,040 Speaker 2: I've been very blessed over the years with a lot 147 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:53,600 Speaker 2: of great situations, great ownership, terrific players, a very supportive family, 148 00:07:53,880 --> 00:07:57,240 Speaker 2: all that. But I I, you know, I don't want 149 00:07:57,240 --> 00:07:59,280 Speaker 2: to put the horse before the card. I mean, this 150 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:02,360 Speaker 2: year is a very good example of how, you know, 151 00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:06,760 Speaker 2: winning one NBA game is extremely difficult, you know, and 152 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:11,080 Speaker 2: when you when and when you get extraordinary circumstances as 153 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:15,040 Speaker 2: we've had this year. You know, putting the chicken before 154 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:17,360 Speaker 2: the egg, or the egg before the chicken or whatever 155 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:20,640 Speaker 2: it is, just doesn't just doesn't feel right. 156 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:24,760 Speaker 3: Rick, to look at other guys in your ross. You 157 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:27,600 Speaker 3: stepped up Garrison Matthews. I mean, the guy is an 158 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:30,320 Speaker 3: all out shooter. How have you seen m perhaps find 159 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:32,760 Speaker 3: his rhythm as of leat on it early on, you know, 160 00:08:32,920 --> 00:08:34,480 Speaker 3: once in the ball as well. But it seems like 161 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:38,360 Speaker 3: he's gotten comfortable just being integrated into this offense with 162 00:08:38,520 --> 00:08:39,679 Speaker 3: obviously new teammates. 163 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:43,920 Speaker 2: Well, you know, he's he's a guy that's a gunslinger. 164 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:46,360 Speaker 2: He's gonna he's gonna play his game. He knows who 165 00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:48,640 Speaker 2: he is, he knows what's get, what gets him on 166 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:51,400 Speaker 2: an NBA roster, and what gets him on the floor. 167 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:55,520 Speaker 2: The challenge was that you know, he he had he 168 00:08:55,640 --> 00:08:58,360 Speaker 2: been I believe the last cut on New York it 169 00:08:58,440 --> 00:09:02,680 Speaker 2: was down to him and Landry Shammit. And the word 170 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:04,680 Speaker 2: we got was that, you know, he had shot the 171 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:07,280 Speaker 2: ball as well or maybe even a little bit better 172 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:10,319 Speaker 2: than Shammitt. But there was just you know, the tie 173 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:13,560 Speaker 2: breaker was just you know, the ultimate fit with the 174 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:15,640 Speaker 2: team and all that kind of stuff. I don't really know, 175 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:19,040 Speaker 2: that doesn't really matter. But he was sitting out, you know, 176 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:22,960 Speaker 2: for probably the better part of a month. And you know, 177 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:25,600 Speaker 2: we went through four or five different guys before we 178 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:29,200 Speaker 2: got to him, and in fact, in fact, you know, 179 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:31,440 Speaker 2: we had the one workout in Dallas where we worked 180 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:34,960 Speaker 2: out three guys. Eventually all three guys ended up on 181 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:38,439 Speaker 2: the roster. None of the three are on are on 182 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:42,880 Speaker 2: the club anymore. And so we were cycling onto another 183 00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:45,920 Speaker 2: group of two or three guys, and we thought we 184 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:47,319 Speaker 2: had a group of three that we're going to come 185 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:52,959 Speaker 2: in for a workout, but one of them was headed overseas, 186 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:57,800 Speaker 2: another one had some personal things going on, and the 187 00:09:57,840 --> 00:09:59,839 Speaker 2: timing wasn't right, and so you know, Garrison was the 188 00:09:59,840 --> 00:10:03,200 Speaker 2: only guy available. So we brought him in and we 189 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:07,439 Speaker 2: needed shooting, we needed spacing, and the task was to 190 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:11,760 Speaker 2: help him get shape, you know, and so Woyd Pierce 191 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:15,199 Speaker 2: did a really great job, just you know, starting kind 192 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:17,600 Speaker 2: of from scratch. You know, you can be at home 193 00:10:17,800 --> 00:10:20,240 Speaker 2: and you can be working out on your own and 194 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:22,600 Speaker 2: and and that kind of stuff, but you know, it's 195 00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:26,200 Speaker 2: it's it's virtually impossible to simulate NBA practices in NBA 196 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:30,080 Speaker 2: games and so it took, you know, it took a 197 00:10:30,080 --> 00:10:32,800 Speaker 2: good four or five days to get him to where 198 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:35,520 Speaker 2: you know, he felt like his legs were there, et cetera, 199 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:38,080 Speaker 2: et cetera. His first game was at Cleveland Whenever. That 200 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:40,600 Speaker 2: was two and a half weeks ago. You know, he 201 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:43,080 Speaker 2: went in the game, he got some clean shots off, 202 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:46,440 Speaker 2: nothing went in, but the signs were good and it 203 00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:49,920 Speaker 2: kind of went from there. And so when he got 204 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:53,080 Speaker 2: to the end of his first ten day and this 205 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:57,840 Speaker 2: we're talking about a ten day team injury hardship contract. 206 00:10:57,880 --> 00:11:00,280 Speaker 2: I mean it's like a whole sentence, like you got 207 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:02,160 Speaker 2: to say a whole set to describe what it is. 208 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:05,240 Speaker 2: You know, you know, he hadn't made he hadn't made 209 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:07,240 Speaker 2: a lot of shots yet, but it just felt to 210 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:09,680 Speaker 2: us like, you know, he had done the work and 211 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:12,040 Speaker 2: he was close, and so, uh, you know, we brought 212 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:16,199 Speaker 2: him back. In the first game, he uh, he got 213 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:18,839 Speaker 2: it going. And then you know, last night he hit 214 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:22,800 Speaker 2: some big shots, had a four point play, et cetera. 215 00:11:22,880 --> 00:11:25,400 Speaker 2: And with him, you know, he's a guy you got 216 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:28,360 Speaker 2: to count for on a scouting report. I mean you don't, 217 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:30,600 Speaker 2: you don't account for him. I mean I think in 218 00:11:30,640 --> 00:11:32,520 Speaker 2: one or two years. In the last four or five 219 00:11:32,559 --> 00:11:36,000 Speaker 2: he's led the league in four point plays, et cetera, 220 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:40,680 Speaker 2: et cetera. So an easy guy to like. You know, 221 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:45,640 Speaker 2: he's just he's he's gritty, he's he's kind of you 222 00:11:45,679 --> 00:11:48,920 Speaker 2: know who we are, you know, right now as a team, 223 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:52,559 Speaker 2: and so we're we're happy to have him on board. 224 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:55,480 Speaker 3: So you talked about bringing in guys for workouts, and 225 00:11:55,520 --> 00:11:59,360 Speaker 3: the Colts are or have actually brought in Philip Rivers 226 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:02,280 Speaker 3: forty four, your old quarterback in for a workout. So 227 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:05,959 Speaker 3: in your coaching or playing career, do you remember the 228 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:08,160 Speaker 3: oldest player you played with or coached? 229 00:12:10,679 --> 00:12:14,280 Speaker 2: Oh? Boy, trying to think, well, you know, Dirk was 230 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:15,960 Speaker 2: the oldest I think that I coached. I think he 231 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:20,160 Speaker 2: was he was forty, you know, in his twenty first year. Look, 232 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:23,079 Speaker 2: Jason Kidd was thirty eight when we won the championship 233 00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:26,560 Speaker 2: with him, and and there have been others, you know, 234 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:30,280 Speaker 2: and you know, James Johnson I think was thirty seven 235 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:33,959 Speaker 2: last year. Yeah, there there's been there's been guys like that. 236 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:38,360 Speaker 2: But but I will say this, you not underestimate change Stiking. 237 00:12:38,559 --> 00:12:41,160 Speaker 2: I mean, I think it's pretty clear that he's the 238 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:45,640 Speaker 2: best coach of quarterbacks. You know, really anybody's seen in 239 00:12:45,640 --> 00:12:48,199 Speaker 2: the last several years. I mean, what he's done with 240 00:12:48,679 --> 00:12:52,560 Speaker 2: a whole long list of guys and so to me, 241 00:12:52,640 --> 00:12:54,839 Speaker 2: the guys, the guys a master. I think he's done 242 00:12:54,880 --> 00:12:59,000 Speaker 2: an incredible, amazing job this year. There's a long way 243 00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:01,360 Speaker 2: to go in their season, you know, I know, things 244 00:13:01,880 --> 00:13:05,160 Speaker 2: things can things can look uh can look dreary at times, 245 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:09,000 Speaker 2: but uh, there's an upbeat, upbeat fan base, you know, 246 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:13,439 Speaker 2: super upbeat franchise added the Pacers and uh and we're 247 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:14,280 Speaker 2: really told for them. 248 00:13:14,840 --> 00:13:17,520 Speaker 1: That's Rick Carlile and pass have one four of six. 249 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:20,319 Speaker 1: They beat Sacramento last night. They've got Philly coming up 250 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:24,360 Speaker 1: this weekend. He's with us here on the Payloffs Liquers Hotline. 251 00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:27,040 Speaker 1: Did I hear you were at the Purdue game on Saturday? 252 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:32,800 Speaker 2: I was, Yeah, I was. I was there with with 253 00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:35,760 Speaker 2: Sonny Beck from Becks Hybrids, which was which is a 254 00:13:35,800 --> 00:13:41,840 Speaker 2: c company. Sonny and and uh and his uh his 255 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:45,360 Speaker 2: operation are supporters of driving Dish, which we're grateful for. 256 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:48,880 Speaker 2: And he invited me to a game a long time ago. 257 00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:52,160 Speaker 2: And so yeah, I went up there and had amazing 258 00:13:52,280 --> 00:13:57,560 Speaker 2: seats one in an atmosphere at the I had the 259 00:13:57,600 --> 00:14:00,640 Speaker 2: privilege of sitting with Sunny on my right and Brian 260 00:14:00,800 --> 00:14:05,480 Speaker 2: Cardinal on my left. Okay, so there's two living legends. Now. 261 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:09,040 Speaker 2: Cardinal not only not only is he a for due legend, 262 00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:14,880 Speaker 2: but Cardinal played for US on the twenty eleven championship 263 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:17,040 Speaker 2: team in Dallas. And I'm going to tell you a 264 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:20,920 Speaker 2: short story about Cardinals. So in game six out we 265 00:14:21,080 --> 00:14:24,920 Speaker 2: had played the series in the finals. In the fourth game, 266 00:14:25,680 --> 00:14:28,320 Speaker 2: we had to make some adjustments to our rotation because 267 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:31,920 Speaker 2: of matchups, and so we started playing Brian Cardinal over 268 00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:36,800 Speaker 2: another more you know, more established household name type player. Well, 269 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:42,440 Speaker 2: Cardinal was playing effectively. You know, his game is not 270 00:14:42,520 --> 00:14:44,600 Speaker 2: the most beautiful game in the world, but when you 271 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:49,160 Speaker 2: look at his production and what happens as a winning player, 272 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:51,680 Speaker 2: the guy's pretty amazing what he did in his career. 273 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:54,960 Speaker 2: So we won game We won game four to tie 274 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:59,000 Speaker 2: the series. We won game five. In game six at Miami, 275 00:14:59,320 --> 00:15:03,840 Speaker 2: we're up three two with a chance to close out 276 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:10,120 Speaker 2: the series. Gets his second foul like five minutes into 277 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:13,480 Speaker 2: the game, and so boom, here comes Cardinal. Now the 278 00:15:13,520 --> 00:15:16,880 Speaker 2: scorer is we're either down five or down seven. I 279 00:15:16,960 --> 00:15:20,760 Speaker 2: forget which Dirk had had a rough shot making night 280 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:23,640 Speaker 2: to start the game, Vegas two fouls. Cardinal comes in 281 00:15:23,760 --> 00:15:27,280 Speaker 2: the game. We go from let's say it was down 282 00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:29,840 Speaker 2: five at the end of the first quarter, we were 283 00:15:29,960 --> 00:15:35,600 Speaker 2: up seven. Okay, we go plus twelve with Cardinal in 284 00:15:35,640 --> 00:15:41,440 Speaker 2: the game. Dirk comes back in the game. Now Dirks 285 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:45,280 Speaker 2: is continuing. It's continuing to have trouble making shots. So 286 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:48,560 Speaker 2: we go. We get into halftime and Cardinal of Dirt 287 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:52,240 Speaker 2: were really good friends. And Cardinal's seat is right next 288 00:15:52,280 --> 00:15:55,080 Speaker 2: to Dirk's in the locker room. And as we walk in, 289 00:15:55,080 --> 00:15:58,200 Speaker 2: as the cooch staff, Cardinal was in there, and the 290 00:15:58,200 --> 00:15:59,800 Speaker 2: locker room is pretty quiet, but we still had a 291 00:15:59,840 --> 00:16:04,520 Speaker 2: two point lead, and Cardinals saying, this is great, man, 292 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:07,440 Speaker 2: and he was calling Dirty Dirty Dirty Dirk was Dirt, 293 00:16:07,560 --> 00:16:11,080 Speaker 2: Dirk's uh nickname. He goes dirty, This is great. You 294 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:14,120 Speaker 2: got all the misses out, bro, He's got to keep shooting. 295 00:16:14,160 --> 00:16:16,920 Speaker 2: This is gonna be great, This is gonna be awesome, man. 296 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:21,600 Speaker 2: And so and so we we come in and we 297 00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:24,120 Speaker 2: we end up setting up a play to try to 298 00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:26,920 Speaker 2: get Dirk an open shot with JJ Ray has set 299 00:16:26,920 --> 00:16:30,000 Speaker 2: a pin down for him. He comes off, hits the shot, 300 00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:33,400 Speaker 2: in the second half. He may have missed one shot, 301 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:37,840 Speaker 2: but he was great. But the Cardinals Cardinals impact on 302 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:44,080 Speaker 2: that championship is is always going to be overlooked. But 303 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:47,520 Speaker 2: he's He's one of the most resourceful players I've ever 304 00:16:47,560 --> 00:16:51,560 Speaker 2: been around. And when you walk around the Mackie Mackie 305 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:55,200 Speaker 2: Center with him, you know, the guy, it's like it's 306 00:16:55,240 --> 00:16:57,920 Speaker 2: like walking around with Tom Brady, you know. I mean, 307 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:00,920 Speaker 2: he's just uh, everybody every but he knows and loves 308 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:04,359 Speaker 2: him and uh and and and I certainly. 309 00:17:04,040 --> 00:17:07,439 Speaker 1: Know why that some great, great stuff, absolute predue legend. 310 00:17:07,600 --> 00:17:10,200 Speaker 1: Brian Cardinal. Well, we'll end with this, coach, and as always, 311 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:12,879 Speaker 1: we appreciate the time. I did have a chuckle a 312 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:16,760 Speaker 1: couple of games ago. You said afterwards in regards to 313 00:17:16,840 --> 00:17:19,120 Speaker 1: timeouts that it would be great if you could buy 314 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:23,960 Speaker 1: timeouts like vows and Wheel of Fortune? Are you more 315 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:25,600 Speaker 1: Wheel of Fortune? Are you more Jeopardy? 316 00:17:27,920 --> 00:17:32,040 Speaker 2: Oh? Gosh, I like both, But yeah, I mean, look 317 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:38,520 Speaker 2: those timeouts, you're not out of timeouts. They just they 318 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:41,560 Speaker 2: just have a price, and so you gotta you just 319 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:43,760 Speaker 2: gotta decide if it's worth it to take to take 320 00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:47,520 Speaker 2: one and and spend a you know, a technical free 321 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:50,879 Speaker 2: throw work, give the team the possession back. And I 322 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:53,440 Speaker 2: as I described after the game, and look, I don't 323 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:55,159 Speaker 2: mean to make fun of it or make light of 324 00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:58,600 Speaker 2: it or anything like that. But if the other team 325 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:02,600 Speaker 2: already has the ball and you feel like your guys need, 326 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:05,639 Speaker 2: you know, a minute, fifteen seconds, you know, for whatever reason. 327 00:18:05,720 --> 00:18:08,639 Speaker 2: Maybe it's maybe maybe you just don't have a lot 328 00:18:08,640 --> 00:18:10,640 Speaker 2: of guys left on your roster that night, and they 329 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:13,520 Speaker 2: you just feel like they need a little bit of 330 00:18:13,520 --> 00:18:17,000 Speaker 2: a break to finish the game. Whatever. You know, if 331 00:18:17,040 --> 00:18:19,359 Speaker 2: it's already the other team's ball, it's it's one technical 332 00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:21,399 Speaker 2: free throw. It's not it's not the end of the world, 333 00:18:21,600 --> 00:18:25,080 Speaker 2: you know. But I don't like doing it. I only 334 00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:27,840 Speaker 2: do it when it's that's when I feel it's necessary. 335 00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:29,840 Speaker 2: We didn't do it at all last year or the 336 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:33,600 Speaker 2: year before. I don't think these have been extraordinary circumstances 337 00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:36,400 Speaker 2: this year. So sometimes sometimes it happens like that. 338 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:38,919 Speaker 1: Picture an R. S T L N E. And you 339 00:18:39,040 --> 00:18:42,600 Speaker 1: up there getting some letters there and the end of 340 00:18:42,600 --> 00:18:46,760 Speaker 1: will fortune. I'm always invading what I would go with 341 00:18:46,800 --> 00:18:48,800 Speaker 1: their c D. Would you go with Val? Would you 342 00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:50,800 Speaker 1: would gotta go Val? I feel like you gotta go Val, 343 00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:52,760 Speaker 1: gotta go Val with this RS. 344 00:18:52,520 --> 00:18:54,880 Speaker 2: Well, some of the you know, there's like on Instagram, 345 00:18:54,880 --> 00:18:57,360 Speaker 2: there's there's some of these things where people are making 346 00:18:57,359 --> 00:19:00,119 Speaker 2: the wrong guesses at the at the butt and what 347 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:03,000 Speaker 2: the puzzle says, and some of the stuff is you know, 348 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:07,040 Speaker 2: it transcends, you know, the question of which value buy. 349 00:19:07,160 --> 00:19:09,440 Speaker 2: Let's just put it that way. 350 00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:12,360 Speaker 1: I need a documentary on us, say, the least Pacers 351 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:13,840 Speaker 1: night off tonight, so I guess we could watch A 352 00:19:13,840 --> 00:19:16,360 Speaker 1: little Wheel Fortune, a Little Jeopardy. They'll be back Friday 353 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:18,760 Speaker 1: six ers and Sunday afternoon. They've got the wizards inside 354 00:19:18,760 --> 00:19:21,719 Speaker 1: of gamebridge Field House coach, thank you as always. We'll 355 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:22,560 Speaker 1: talk to you next week 356 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:24,119 Speaker 2: All right, guys, pickure