WEBVTT - Sean Combs: The Reckoning

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<v Speaker 2>The Frans per Second Podcast. Hey everybody, and welcome to

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<v Speaker 2>a new episode of The France Per Second Podcast. My

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<v Speaker 2>name is Kenthy. Ban's joined him on the show is

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<v Speaker 2>Mike and Nick. What up? Fellas? What up? What's going on?

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<v Speaker 2>Glad to have your I don't know if this is

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<v Speaker 2>a good one to have you on. Nick. It's random,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, given the circumstances or the episode or documentary

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<v Speaker 2>about the cover, which is Sean Comb's The Reckoning. But uh,

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<v Speaker 2>but you know, I think we'll get through it respectfully.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll see anyway, That's what we are here to discuss. Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>The new Shawn Combs documentary. You know, Nick, Mike, I

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<v Speaker 2>think it's Spike really really started selling it for me.

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<v Speaker 2>He kept talking about how good it is, like they

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<v Speaker 2>really did a good job, et cetera, et cetera. I

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<v Speaker 2>haven't heard a lot of people say that, but I

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<v Speaker 2>haven't really been talking to a lot of people about it.

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<v Speaker 2>I just saw a lot of people say they had

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<v Speaker 2>no desire to watch it. You know, neither did I,

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<v Speaker 2>but at one point there was a curiosity I had

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<v Speaker 2>to watch it. And then when Spike started talking about

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<v Speaker 2>Initially I did have a desire to watching that, but

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<v Speaker 2>then when he started talking about I was like, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>well let me check it out. Then I saw it

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<v Speaker 2>was four episodes. I thought it was like one full documentary,

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<v Speaker 2>like maybe two hours or whatever whatnot, So it was

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<v Speaker 2>four episodes.

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<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't have agreed to this if I knew it

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<v Speaker 1>was four one hour long episodes.

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<v Speaker 2>I just finished it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yes, same, I'm here. I just finished it too.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I finished it this morning, this morning, around eleven

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<v Speaker 2>something like that. But yeah, I watched part of it.

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<v Speaker 2>I watched half of the episode last night, so I

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<v Speaker 2>can have room to finish it today. But anyway, man,

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<v Speaker 2>let's let's jump into it. Nick, what did you think

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<v Speaker 2>about it.

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<v Speaker 3>When it dropped?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, since since I moved out to Connecticut, the area

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<v Speaker 1>that I'm staying at, the city I live in is

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<v Speaker 1>close to New York City, so a lot of the

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<v Speaker 1>people it's like an hour and a half train wide away.

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<v Speaker 1>So a lot of people who I've been act with

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<v Speaker 1>who are older, who grew up around here, they said

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<v Speaker 1>like they were aware of a lot of these things

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<v Speaker 1>that were in the dock because you know, it's it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's close proximity. So everybody was like kind of telling

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<v Speaker 1>me like, just like you can't. Like I wasn't really

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<v Speaker 1>caring about seeing it because you know, Diddy was indiceted

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<v Speaker 1>and all this stuff, the whole trial and stuff like that. Again,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm close to the city where all that stuff was happening,

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<v Speaker 1>so we would get updates, so I didn't feel the

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<v Speaker 1>need to like do a four hour you know, recap.

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<v Speaker 1>But everybody kept on saying, you gotta watch it, you

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<v Speaker 1>gotta watch it, at least around my area, man, you

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<v Speaker 1>gotta watch it. And I'm like, man, all right, if

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<v Speaker 1>enough people saying that, let me just check it out.

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<v Speaker 1>And of course it's produced by fifty. So that's another

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<v Speaker 1>reason I was like, I don't want to see this

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<v Speaker 1>is just a fifty you know, just running over him

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<v Speaker 1>like over and over again with this with this doc

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<v Speaker 1>But it was actually well done. It was actually well done.

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<v Speaker 1>It didn't need to be four hour, especially that last episode.

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<v Speaker 1>To me, that last episode wasn't needed. But the two,

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<v Speaker 1>like the second and third episodes really was what like,

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<v Speaker 1>was very very interesting to me. And then the footage,

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<v Speaker 1>the footage itself was just kind of like crazy, like

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<v Speaker 1>how he was talking like seven days or like less

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<v Speaker 1>than that before he got arrested and all that other stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>So I thought it was well done, but it also

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<v Speaker 1>felt like a documentary that was like it was too

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<v Speaker 1>early to spit out because there's still a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>stuff that's still open cases or still pending and a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of other things that I felt like, this may

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<v Speaker 1>be like five years too early.

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<v Speaker 4>M all right, Mike, I mean it was fine.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like most of the stuff I'd already heard.

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<v Speaker 1>There was only like a few things and I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>oh shit, I didn't know that happened. I agree it

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<v Speaker 1>did not need to be for episodes long, because I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not I'm not all the ways. Sure who this even

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<v Speaker 1>appealed to, Like, I feel like anybody that's gonna watch

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<v Speaker 1>this Diddy doc is gonna be people like us, and

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<v Speaker 1>people like us know most of this already. But all

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<v Speaker 1>that said, yeah, they did a really good job of

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<v Speaker 1>putting his whole story together. I didn't know that's what

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<v Speaker 1>this was gonna be. I thought it was just about

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<v Speaker 1>the trial. I had no idea it was a rise

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<v Speaker 1>and fall type of type of deal. So so no, man,

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<v Speaker 1>it was cool for what it was. I'll never watch

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<v Speaker 1>it again, and it's not like something I would recommend

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<v Speaker 1>to anybody.

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<v Speaker 2>I think for some of the young cats that are

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<v Speaker 2>out there at Hawaiians as they like to call them,

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<v Speaker 2>I think it would be probably a good watch for

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<v Speaker 2>them if they're into hip hop and stuff like that,

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<v Speaker 2>just to kind of get that story. I thought they

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<v Speaker 2>did a good job of kind of telling the full

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<v Speaker 2>story of Puppy, even though we lived it right, So

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<v Speaker 2>it was interesting reliving some of those moments. I will

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<v Speaker 2>say that, But the first two episodes, I really liked

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<v Speaker 2>how they put this together in terms of telling the story,

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<v Speaker 2>and that was one of the things that really started

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<v Speaker 2>to sell it for me. When when lou was talking

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<v Speaker 2>about it and how they just built him up started

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<v Speaker 2>from the beginning when he was a kid, really showing

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<v Speaker 2>the things that made him into who he was with

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<v Speaker 2>kind of the first episode and then the sex episode

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<v Speaker 2>and then just to do like the fall from grace

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<v Speaker 2>that he had. So yeah, I got to give him credit.

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<v Speaker 2>I think they did a did a good job of

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<v Speaker 2>putting this together, and I think they told us. What

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<v Speaker 2>I felt was it was a pretty complete story with

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<v Speaker 2>what they had and some of the things that that

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<v Speaker 2>we knew. Fifty is petty Nick. I was trying to

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<v Speaker 2>see how involved he was early. I was trying to

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<v Speaker 2>watch that interview that he did with the with the

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<v Speaker 2>astraal director because he was the EP on it. But

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, but I think that he one of

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<v Speaker 2>the things that he was saying is that you know

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<v Speaker 2>he he did this. His goal was to give a

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<v Speaker 2>platform to victims and reveal the truth about Comb's the

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<v Speaker 2>last behavior, preventing the culture from condoning such actions. Do

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<v Speaker 2>you think do you guys think he accomplished that with this?

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<v Speaker 1>To me, this is more of the enemy of my

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<v Speaker 1>enemy is my friend. And I know it's weird to

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<v Speaker 1>phrase like that because these were actual victims of like

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<v Speaker 1>actual crimes, but it just it's like a vendiagram that

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<v Speaker 1>overlaps with like, how do I take this guy down

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<v Speaker 1>even further while also not having to seem like I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>as Marlon Walliams put the kicking them while he's down,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what I'm saying, Like it's like it was.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like because I listened to Bomoni Jones, a

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<v Speaker 1>podcast he had. He did a whole episode with the

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<v Speaker 1>director of this doc asking asking her questions about like

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<v Speaker 1>what was fifty's involvement and all that stuff. He basically

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<v Speaker 1>said like he was kind of like he really let

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<v Speaker 1>her cook. So like a lot of this felt like,

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<v Speaker 1>at least from that, we felt like these were all

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<v Speaker 1>like her storyboard of how she wanted to tell the story,

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<v Speaker 1>and he was just kind of just the guy that

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<v Speaker 1>was able to say, like, oh, if fifties attached to it,

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<v Speaker 1>then it must be real. So it kind of helped

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<v Speaker 1>her get those interviews and get some of that stuff.

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<v Speaker 4>So he was just kind of.

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<v Speaker 1>Like the the notarizer of it. But overall, I think,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, fifties trying to do his own film and

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<v Speaker 1>television stuff in Shreveport. I think this was like his

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<v Speaker 1>first big introduction to say, like, okay, to take my

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<v Speaker 1>film company seriously, I'm doing this doc, especially at this time.

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<v Speaker 1>But overall, I I guess I'll say, I guess my

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<v Speaker 1>answer will be I guess.

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<v Speaker 2>Mike, you can answer the question too. But I want

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<v Speaker 2>to also throw this question at you as well. Were

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<v Speaker 2>you surprised that did he recorded as much as he

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<v Speaker 2>did behind the scenes.

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<v Speaker 4>No, I wasn't surprised about that at all.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I think it goes to just like the

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<v Speaker 1>whole Epstein shit with Gallaine and how they're like, why

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<v Speaker 1>are there so many fucking pictures. It's like people like that,

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<v Speaker 1>they're just so egotistical that and you know what, it

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<v Speaker 1>also made me think of if you watch any like

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<v Speaker 1>old true crime docs, like a lot of those motherfucking

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<v Speaker 1>like murderers, they keep trinkets so they can revisit the murders.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm sure people like Diddy's minds work the same way.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure you know he does this foul, fucked up

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<v Speaker 1>shit and then he probably goes back and jerks off

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<v Speaker 1>watching the tapes because he's a fucking freak.

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<v Speaker 4>So No, I'm not.

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<v Speaker 1>Surprised that there were all those videos, and plus he

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<v Speaker 1>was he thought he was untouchable, and for a long

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<v Speaker 1>time he was. So he's like, what difference does it make.

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<v Speaker 1>No one's gonna bust me, no one's gonna talk, no

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<v Speaker 1>one's gonna there's nothing that can happen to me. But

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<v Speaker 1>as far as it being a first of all, I

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<v Speaker 1>do not believe one bit. If that quote you read

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<v Speaker 1>was from fifty cent about it being a victim story,

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<v Speaker 1>I do not believe that one solitary bit. Now, if

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<v Speaker 1>that was from the director, I'll believe them. Fifty I

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<v Speaker 1>think he just got involved because this was a money thing.

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<v Speaker 1>He knew it would be huge, and he don't fucking

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<v Speaker 1>like fifty I mean, he doesn't like Diddy.

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<v Speaker 4>Now. The thing is that I would also say, is

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<v Speaker 4>I don't care.

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<v Speaker 2>I do.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not of that whole like, don't kick a black

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<v Speaker 1>man while he's down. Look, that black man kicked a

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<v Speaker 1>black woman while she was down, So why should I

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<v Speaker 1>give a fuck about anybody kicking him while he's down.

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<v Speaker 1>We had an argument about this. I forget who was

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<v Speaker 1>on whose side, but we had an argument about this.

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<v Speaker 1>On the is the mic, I don't care. Yeah, huh no, no, no, no, no,

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<v Speaker 1>no no. This was about Diddy. This was specifically about

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<v Speaker 1>when the news first came out that that fifty cent

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<v Speaker 1>was doing a Diddy doc, there was an argument about, well,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you shouldn't kick a black man. While it

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<v Speaker 1>was the same argument like fuck Diddy, Fuck Diddy. If

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<v Speaker 1>if Mark Lamont Hill had some bad luck and lost

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<v Speaker 1>his house and then I don't know, who's a really cool,

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<v Speaker 1>smart black person. I'm trying to think. I don't want

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<v Speaker 1>to like somebody cool like not fuck. This is a

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<v Speaker 1>goddamn shame.

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<v Speaker 2>Really good.

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<v Speaker 1>I was gonna say Vincetas okay, but you know what, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we can say Vince Staples because prin Staples is very smart.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's say let's say Mark Lamont Hill hit some

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<v Speaker 1>bad financial luck, lost his house, lost his car, and

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<v Speaker 1>then Vince Staples, who I also think is is an

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<v Speaker 1>intellectual in his own way, came out and started clowning.

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<v Speaker 1>I'd be like, man, that's kicking a black man. Wale,

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<v Speaker 1>He's down because Mark Lamont Hill ain't bothering nobody. Diddy

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<v Speaker 1>was doing real day damage to the to the black community,

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<v Speaker 1>so why am I gonna be like, Oh, I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>gonna watch this because man, it's kicking a black man

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<v Speaker 1>while he's days. Bro, this man was graping black women.

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<v Speaker 1>What are we talking about right now? It's it's it's

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<v Speaker 1>just ridiculous, So.

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<v Speaker 2>Go ahead, yeah, yeah not And and you know, I

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<v Speaker 2>think they did a good job of showing some of

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<v Speaker 2>those things that people did not know. Nick, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know how much of uh Sean Combe's earlier career you

0:12:31.600 --> 0:12:34.520
<v Speaker 2>were familiar with. They spent a lot of time in

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<v Speaker 2>the first episode with that showing him being a dancer

0:12:38.520 --> 0:12:41.960
<v Speaker 2>and all the music videos, starting out as an intern

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<v Speaker 2>at Uptown Records and really just kind of growing into

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the mogul. How familiar were you with any

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<v Speaker 2>of any of that stuff?

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<v Speaker 1>So for me, like it memory wise, I remember like

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<v Speaker 1>at least Diddy from Life After Album dropping forward. So

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<v Speaker 1>before that, like it was more research as being me

0:13:05.920 --> 0:13:09.400
<v Speaker 1>being a hip hop fan of the you know, Uptown Records,

0:13:09.480 --> 0:13:13.679
<v Speaker 1>and so like that first episode there was a lot

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<v Speaker 1>some new information as far as like him and Heavy

0:13:16.200 --> 0:13:18.000
<v Speaker 1>d and that whole party that happened in New York

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<v Speaker 1>and all that and how crazy that was.

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<v Speaker 3>And it was just to me.

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<v Speaker 1>That was really insightful to see how much like I'll be,

0:13:28.400 --> 0:13:30.560
<v Speaker 1>you know, I forget about especially like our artists that

0:13:30.559 --> 0:13:33.080
<v Speaker 1>came out in the nineties, how young they were and

0:13:33.200 --> 0:13:36.320
<v Speaker 1>in the limelight and like to be that young and

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<v Speaker 1>then in life like and keep growing and it just

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<v Speaker 1>makes you know they always say money and all and

0:13:40.440 --> 0:13:42.440
<v Speaker 1>fame just makes you more of who you already are.

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<v Speaker 1>Like to see that before him at a young age

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<v Speaker 1>is like, that's crazy. And then how they wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>tie it back to like how his mom and the

0:13:50.720 --> 0:13:52.160
<v Speaker 1>death of his pops and all this stuff. It was

0:13:52.240 --> 0:13:53.400
<v Speaker 1>just a lot of stuff that I was like, Okay,

0:13:53.400 --> 0:13:55.720
<v Speaker 1>they're trying to show the manifestation of this, but my

0:13:55.800 --> 0:13:57.480
<v Speaker 1>memory comes from life after death.

0:13:58.040 --> 0:14:01.000
<v Speaker 3>And it seems like the doc says, at that time.

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<v Speaker 1>Period that's when he fully became what he is, you

0:14:04.760 --> 0:14:08.440
<v Speaker 1>know what we see it today after Biggie's funeral, so

0:14:08.559 --> 0:14:10.760
<v Speaker 1>like like you can like I grew up no One.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, he had like multiple name changes.

0:14:12.920 --> 0:14:15.040
<v Speaker 4>It was puff Puff.

0:14:14.840 --> 0:14:17.560
<v Speaker 3>Daddy, Diddy, Diddy, brother Love and.

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<v Speaker 1>All the other stuff. It's like I've seen all his

0:14:19.480 --> 0:14:24.920
<v Speaker 1>iterations from that point and he dancing all the way

0:14:26.160 --> 0:14:30.440
<v Speaker 1>like I know, I know it's a serious doc, but he.

0:14:34.480 --> 0:14:37.920
<v Speaker 4>Is a dancing He is a dancing ass nigga.

0:14:38.240 --> 0:14:41.320
<v Speaker 3>He does not have us as a stereotype about that.

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<v Speaker 1>So it was just it's just weird that, you know

0:14:45.440 --> 0:14:47.440
<v Speaker 1>how they always say that the devil's in the music,

0:14:47.520 --> 0:14:49.040
<v Speaker 1>you know what I'm saying. And it's just like to

0:14:49.080 --> 0:14:52.720
<v Speaker 1>see his influence because like the songs still are recognizable,

0:14:53.360 --> 0:14:55.800
<v Speaker 1>they make it, they still have a good rhythm, but

0:14:55.880 --> 0:14:57.960
<v Speaker 1>now they just have a different feel kind of like

0:14:58.360 --> 0:15:01.400
<v Speaker 1>just like similar to our Kelly, where it's like, these

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<v Speaker 1>are the songs that I grew up listening to, and

0:15:03.680 --> 0:15:06.960
<v Speaker 1>now I feel weird about him because I know who

0:15:07.000 --> 0:15:11.520
<v Speaker 1>the man is and then you see all these testimonies

0:15:11.560 --> 0:15:14.800
<v Speaker 1>and it's just like the thing that got to me

0:15:14.920 --> 0:15:16.760
<v Speaker 1>is like growing up, like like when you string along

0:15:16.840 --> 0:15:19.280
<v Speaker 1>all these cases and like what he did to Shine,

0:15:19.360 --> 0:15:22.880
<v Speaker 1>what he did to the what was his name? Was it?

0:15:22.920 --> 0:15:23.240
<v Speaker 5>Burrow?

0:15:23.400 --> 0:15:27.720
<v Speaker 3>The guy who was y Yeah yeah, like he took

0:15:27.760 --> 0:15:29.360
<v Speaker 3>that yeah yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Like and I'm just like, bro, he Like what he

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<v Speaker 1>did to Steve Stout was like, bro, like how did

0:15:37.160 --> 0:15:38.120
<v Speaker 1>he not get caught?

0:15:38.360 --> 0:15:38.880
<v Speaker 3>Like how does this?

0:15:39.040 --> 0:15:40.680
<v Speaker 1>How did he just get to now? The twenty twenty

0:15:40.680 --> 0:15:44.000
<v Speaker 1>five or twenty twenty three, Like to me, this that's

0:15:44.040 --> 0:15:46.200
<v Speaker 1>the that's the crazy part about it. And this is

0:15:46.240 --> 0:15:49.760
<v Speaker 1>like you mentioned, Mike, he was public like he was

0:15:49.840 --> 0:15:53.600
<v Speaker 1>the public figure for all of this in the news videos,

0:15:53.680 --> 0:15:56.840
<v Speaker 1>all that stuff, and no one said or no one

0:15:56.880 --> 0:16:00.840
<v Speaker 1>came out until now. It took a whole new millenniums

0:16:00.920 --> 0:16:02.120
<v Speaker 1>to hit for him to go down.

0:16:02.200 --> 0:16:03.160
<v Speaker 4>It's crazy.

0:16:03.560 --> 0:16:05.760
<v Speaker 2>It took a yeah, they were scared. It took a

0:16:05.760 --> 0:16:09.520
<v Speaker 2>societal change, you know, the Me Too movement for people

0:16:09.520 --> 0:16:11.400
<v Speaker 2>to take this stuff over. You know, the guy said

0:16:11.440 --> 0:16:13.520
<v Speaker 2>he had a lot of money so he can buy

0:16:13.560 --> 0:16:17.440
<v Speaker 2>a lot of shit, like Joy Dickerson Neil. You know.

0:16:17.520 --> 0:16:19.320
<v Speaker 2>I think in the first episode she was talking about

0:16:19.320 --> 0:16:21.720
<v Speaker 2>how she was raped and she was trying to tell

0:16:21.760 --> 0:16:23.920
<v Speaker 2>people about it, and I think one of the guys

0:16:24.000 --> 0:16:26.440
<v Speaker 2>was like, yeah, if I do anything or say anything,

0:16:26.440 --> 0:16:27.640
<v Speaker 2>I won't be able to get to go to the

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<v Speaker 2>parties anymore.

0:16:28.760 --> 0:16:33.080
<v Speaker 4>Ye And I was crazy. I was crazy.

0:16:33.320 --> 0:16:35.520
<v Speaker 3>He didn't even say a check, he just said a party.

0:16:35.720 --> 0:16:41.800
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, b what mm hmm. Yeah, you know it's so.

0:16:43.440 --> 0:16:46.440
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure Mike remembers this growing up, growing up at

0:16:46.440 --> 0:16:50.520
<v Speaker 2>that time, Bro, Like you hear these stories, you know,

0:16:50.880 --> 0:16:56.480
<v Speaker 2>you hear about Steve Stout, you know, and all this stuff, man,

0:16:56.680 --> 0:17:03.680
<v Speaker 2>And it was such a different, dangerous time watching back

0:17:04.400 --> 0:17:06.800
<v Speaker 2>this stuff and everything that went down with Buffy Big,

0:17:06.800 --> 0:17:09.359
<v Speaker 2>which we get to a sec you know, it just

0:17:09.440 --> 0:17:15.440
<v Speaker 2>reminded me, man, like we've come a long way from

0:17:15.560 --> 0:17:17.600
<v Speaker 2>where it was. But you're talking about a lot of

0:17:17.600 --> 0:17:21.320
<v Speaker 2>these kids. A lot of them were teenagers seventeen eighteen,

0:17:22.240 --> 0:17:27.400
<v Speaker 2>so they don't really have an opportunity to kind of mature.

0:17:27.480 --> 0:17:30.440
<v Speaker 2>They're growing up in one of the environment they're growing

0:17:30.520 --> 0:17:33.439
<v Speaker 2>up in, and then they get access to money and

0:17:33.520 --> 0:17:36.520
<v Speaker 2>now you know, there's so you're still stuck in this

0:17:36.640 --> 0:17:42.360
<v Speaker 2>sort of infant sort of mindset and you just never

0:17:42.440 --> 0:17:44.120
<v Speaker 2>let it. They never let it go and don't even

0:17:44.119 --> 0:17:47.520
<v Speaker 2>give a chance to mature. So that's what happened to me.

0:17:47.600 --> 0:17:50.080
<v Speaker 2>Like I remember that that City College stampede, Mike, do

0:17:50.119 --> 0:17:50.880
<v Speaker 2>you remember that shit?

0:17:52.040 --> 0:17:55.080
<v Speaker 1>So, No, here's the thing about a lot of this

0:17:55.160 --> 0:17:57.879
<v Speaker 1>Diddy stuff. I learned about this stuff well after the

0:17:57.920 --> 0:18:01.920
<v Speaker 1>fact because Wild Diddy was popular. This was like the

0:18:01.960 --> 0:18:06.760
<v Speaker 1>height of all of the underground versus mainstream shit. So

0:18:06.840 --> 0:18:09.920
<v Speaker 1>and that's what I was involved in. I wasn't paying

0:18:09.960 --> 0:18:12.600
<v Speaker 1>attention to this shit, and anytime Diddy's name came up,

0:18:12.960 --> 0:18:18.000
<v Speaker 1>it was always negative because he represented everything that we

0:18:18.080 --> 0:18:22.480
<v Speaker 1>hated about hip hop, like all the fancy suits and

0:18:22.520 --> 0:18:24.720
<v Speaker 1>the fancy this and the fancy that, and look how

0:18:24.800 --> 0:18:26.000
<v Speaker 1>much money I got.

0:18:26.200 --> 0:18:27.440
<v Speaker 4>So all of this shit.

0:18:28.200 --> 0:18:30.920
<v Speaker 1>I didn't hear those Steve Stout stories until well after

0:18:31.040 --> 0:18:33.440
<v Speaker 1>because at the time I didn't know the fuck Steve

0:18:33.480 --> 0:18:38.240
<v Speaker 1>Stout was and didn't care. I just knew Diddy was

0:18:38.280 --> 0:18:43.960
<v Speaker 1>the guy this alleged. I'd heard these stories. It was

0:18:44.040 --> 0:18:48.200
<v Speaker 1>always Diddy was the guy that got Big killed. That

0:18:48.320 --> 0:18:50.080
<v Speaker 1>was what that was what a lot of us knew.

0:18:50.359 --> 0:18:54.240
<v Speaker 1>The other shit Nah, nah, no, which one? Which one

0:18:54.280 --> 0:18:54.840
<v Speaker 1>was to Stampede.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm trying to remember.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a city college. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah it was. Yeah,

0:19:02.840 --> 0:19:05.159
<v Speaker 2>I think that. Yeah, nine people died. That was in

0:19:05.280 --> 0:19:08.440
<v Speaker 2>ninety one. That was in ninety one, that that happened.

0:19:09.080 --> 0:19:11.920
<v Speaker 1>No, I don't remember that. And when he was like, yeah,

0:19:12.080 --> 0:19:16.440
<v Speaker 1>that's the thing that made me famous, It's like, God, damn,

0:19:16.520 --> 0:19:18.600
<v Speaker 1>this dude was destined to be a piece of shit

0:19:19.080 --> 0:19:20.639
<v Speaker 1>exactly exactly.

0:19:21.640 --> 0:19:24.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, yeah, did Yeah, the first episode I think

0:19:24.840 --> 0:19:28.360
<v Speaker 2>they you know, Nick, you mentioned Melvin COM's I think

0:19:28.400 --> 0:19:30.400
<v Speaker 2>there was even a story one of the guys said

0:19:30.720 --> 0:19:35.040
<v Speaker 2>about especially when he left when he got fired from

0:19:35.240 --> 0:19:37.560
<v Speaker 2>Uptown because yeah, he had blew up because he had

0:19:37.640 --> 0:19:40.040
<v Speaker 2>jodys E marriaging Blige. He got fired and then he

0:19:40.119 --> 0:19:41.920
<v Speaker 2>was like, I'm gonna do my own thing. And then

0:19:41.960 --> 0:19:44.680
<v Speaker 2>the guy said he gave him twenty five percent equity

0:19:44.720 --> 0:19:47.760
<v Speaker 2>in the company and then the rest to his mom,

0:19:47.880 --> 0:19:50.320
<v Speaker 2>you know, because he didn't want he didn't want the

0:19:50.359 --> 0:19:54.840
<v Speaker 2>City College Stampede people to get it. That's bru, that's that.

0:19:56.280 --> 0:19:59.560
<v Speaker 1>And the thing is smart though, Like that's what I'm saying,

0:19:59.640 --> 0:20:03.280
<v Speaker 1>Like it's always like it's like evil genius shit that

0:20:03.320 --> 0:20:05.880
<v Speaker 1>he did. He always made sure that he he like

0:20:06.600 --> 0:20:08.160
<v Speaker 1>he came off I mean, shit, he had so much

0:20:08.200 --> 0:20:09.880
<v Speaker 1>baby or you know, his hands was soft. He came

0:20:09.920 --> 0:20:13.120
<v Speaker 1>off for he like, he came off very soft. Like

0:20:13.320 --> 0:20:15.480
<v Speaker 1>even with like the Sugar Knight shit, it was like

0:20:15.520 --> 0:20:18.480
<v Speaker 1>sugar Knight was the devil and Puff was like the

0:20:18.600 --> 0:20:20.960
<v Speaker 1>nice guy, especially what he did at the award show.

0:20:21.720 --> 0:20:24.880
<v Speaker 1>But then like if you look at the literally the writing,

0:20:25.520 --> 0:20:28.000
<v Speaker 1>the contracts, all that shit, he ain't paid no. Boy,

0:20:28.280 --> 0:20:31.160
<v Speaker 1>that's my thing is motherfuckers was like loyal to him,

0:20:31.240 --> 0:20:36.280
<v Speaker 1>not getting paid getting was it corporate thugged out of

0:20:36.320 --> 0:20:39.639
<v Speaker 1>contracts or out of their own music? And shit, I'm like,

0:20:40.640 --> 0:20:42.640
<v Speaker 1>how did no one speak up about this? I mean

0:20:42.680 --> 0:20:44.400
<v Speaker 1>people did speak up about this because they always said

0:20:44.400 --> 0:20:45.959
<v Speaker 1>bad boys. But that's what I'm saying, like, why did

0:20:46.040 --> 0:20:48.840
<v Speaker 1>no one believe when it was like villages of people

0:20:49.040 --> 0:20:50.960
<v Speaker 1>saying like this nigga is trash?

0:20:51.160 --> 0:20:56.359
<v Speaker 2>As an executive, you couldn't it sounds crazy, you know,

0:20:56.400 --> 0:20:58.720
<v Speaker 2>And some people did say, but yeah, you just really

0:20:58.720 --> 0:20:59.120
<v Speaker 2>could get.

0:20:59.200 --> 0:21:01.560
<v Speaker 4>But even Sugar Knight was like, I'm better than this

0:21:02.400 --> 0:21:03.040
<v Speaker 4>at least.

0:21:03.720 --> 0:21:07.520
<v Speaker 2>Like that is interesting because Sugar Knight, that was should

0:21:07.600 --> 0:21:10.240
<v Speaker 2>Knight's point when he wanted to create Death Row East.

0:21:10.920 --> 0:21:13.840
<v Speaker 2>He heard the stories and he put it out there

0:21:13.880 --> 0:21:17.520
<v Speaker 2>even more publicly. And I remember that ship too. It's

0:21:17.560 --> 0:21:21.880
<v Speaker 2>like you dancing in the video. It's very popular now. Yeah.

0:21:21.920 --> 0:21:25.600
<v Speaker 2>So uh and then to your point, Nick, he what

0:21:25.640 --> 0:21:28.159
<v Speaker 2>puff dude get up there? Because he knew that Sugar

0:21:28.680 --> 0:21:30.920
<v Speaker 2>was from the streets and he wasn't. He was a

0:21:31.040 --> 0:21:34.280
<v Speaker 2>dancer and intern. You know, Uh, he had everything kind

0:21:34.280 --> 0:21:40.119
<v Speaker 2>of handed handed to him. But but you know, so

0:21:40.440 --> 0:21:43.840
<v Speaker 2>but yeah, he he he was, he was not that guy.

0:21:43.920 --> 0:21:46.600
<v Speaker 2>So he tried to present this image. Oh yeah, I

0:21:46.600 --> 0:21:48.879
<v Speaker 2>want everybody blah blah blah blah blah, which wasn't true.

0:21:49.440 --> 0:21:52.639
<v Speaker 2>But what's on record, what's on video is him saying

0:21:52.680 --> 0:21:57.399
<v Speaker 2>something positive, whereas Sug so he looks better than sugar.

0:21:57.680 --> 0:22:00.440
<v Speaker 4>Situation, Shug's the bad guy picking on Puff.

0:22:00.600 --> 0:22:03.080
<v Speaker 3>Because that's when you asked me about, like what was

0:22:03.119 --> 0:22:04.480
<v Speaker 3>it like for me to grow up with? Like that's

0:22:04.520 --> 0:22:05.359
<v Speaker 3>what I grew up like.

0:22:05.920 --> 0:22:09.480
<v Speaker 1>It was the marketing, the propaganda of the East coast,

0:22:09.480 --> 0:22:11.640
<v Speaker 1>West Coast, because I was that's where the height of

0:22:11.680 --> 0:22:12.600
<v Speaker 1>my youth came from.

0:22:12.680 --> 0:22:16.479
<v Speaker 4>Was like witness and all that was that it was.

0:22:16.600 --> 0:22:19.200
<v Speaker 1>It was like the West Coast were like the red

0:22:19.280 --> 0:22:21.600
<v Speaker 1>you know, demons and whatnot, and then the East Coast

0:22:21.600 --> 0:22:23.439
<v Speaker 1>were the blue angels and stuff like that. That's what

0:22:23.480 --> 0:22:27.639
<v Speaker 1>it was on my at least my perspective. But then

0:22:27.680 --> 0:22:29.879
<v Speaker 1>when you see all this stuff, it's like man like

0:22:31.000 --> 0:22:33.760
<v Speaker 1>even even but the the again even new insights of

0:22:33.800 --> 0:22:36.439
<v Speaker 1>like Shuge Night was with I'll be sure, so he

0:22:36.560 --> 0:22:39.199
<v Speaker 1>was on the East Coast, he knew like everybody was

0:22:39.240 --> 0:22:43.360
<v Speaker 1>closely relate, like less than it was not even six

0:22:43.359 --> 0:22:46.159
<v Speaker 1>degrees of separation, it was like two. Like everybody was

0:22:46.200 --> 0:22:48.480
<v Speaker 1>really involved with each other. So it's interesting to see

0:22:48.480 --> 0:22:51.959
<v Speaker 1>how like certain storylines became what they were. Granted, it's

0:22:52.040 --> 0:22:53.720
<v Speaker 1>New York City, so of course that's one of the

0:22:53.720 --> 0:22:57.920
<v Speaker 1>big capitals of publications and at that time music industry,

0:22:57.960 --> 0:23:00.240
<v Speaker 1>so you can spend shit however you want to. But

0:23:00.240 --> 0:23:05.000
<v Speaker 1>it's just really really interesting to see how, like you mentioned,

0:23:05.240 --> 0:23:08.359
<v Speaker 1>how powerful someone can be and how influential it is

0:23:08.400 --> 0:23:09.040
<v Speaker 1>based off that.

0:23:09.040 --> 0:23:13.360
<v Speaker 2>Power and a piece of ship going after everybody girls

0:23:14.160 --> 0:23:15.440
<v Speaker 2>Albie Sure's girl.

0:23:15.400 --> 0:23:19.440
<v Speaker 3>All the light skin niggas.

0:23:20.320 --> 0:23:20.520
<v Speaker 4>Bro.

0:23:21.280 --> 0:23:26.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I didn't even Mike that was that was new

0:23:26.640 --> 0:23:31.320
<v Speaker 2>for me. I will say that Eric Simon story was crazy, bro.

0:23:32.000 --> 0:23:36.560
<v Speaker 1>Like, yeah, Spike was that. Spike said that that did

0:23:36.600 --> 0:23:40.760
<v Speaker 1>he hit Eric Sermon? And Eric Simon didn't really do anything.

0:23:40.800 --> 0:23:43.040
<v Speaker 1>He just went around the corner and Diddy started playing

0:23:43.040 --> 0:23:45.959
<v Speaker 1>the music and I was like, that ain't the Eric Sermon.

0:23:46.000 --> 0:23:49.479
<v Speaker 1>I know, I can't see Diddy just fucking punching Eric

0:23:49.560 --> 0:23:52.560
<v Speaker 1>Simon in the face and Eric Simon just don't fuck

0:23:52.680 --> 0:23:55.760
<v Speaker 1>him up. But Eric Simon just said that he swung

0:23:55.920 --> 0:23:59.240
<v Speaker 1>on me. That makes more sense. I could see Diddy

0:23:59.280 --> 0:24:01.679
<v Speaker 1>doing that ship and then when Eric simmers like all right, bro,

0:24:01.760 --> 0:24:03.760
<v Speaker 1>we about to go down the street and I'm gonna

0:24:03.800 --> 0:24:06.000
<v Speaker 1>fuck you up. I can see Diddy being like, oh,

0:24:06.040 --> 0:24:12.640
<v Speaker 1>well no, man, I ain't really mean it. Album Ready

0:24:12.680 --> 0:24:14.359
<v Speaker 1>to Die baby the next day.

0:24:15.080 --> 0:24:16.360
<v Speaker 2>And I'm ready to die.

0:24:16.880 --> 0:24:19.000
<v Speaker 3>That was That was the funniest thing though.

0:24:19.000 --> 0:24:20.800
<v Speaker 1>It is like, imagine you're about to feel like you

0:24:20.840 --> 0:24:23.320
<v Speaker 1>about to fight somebody. Somebody plays, so I will say,

0:24:23.320 --> 0:24:27.320
<v Speaker 1>hold on, bro, listen to this and it's good. That's

0:24:28.320 --> 0:24:34.240
<v Speaker 1>That's how that's how much biggie is I got. He

0:24:34.359 --> 0:24:35.359
<v Speaker 1>said Diddy twice.

0:24:35.880 --> 0:24:38.760
<v Speaker 4>He thinks there ain't no way in hell. Eric Simmer

0:24:38.840 --> 0:24:40.240
<v Speaker 4>was not a Diddy up.

0:24:40.240 --> 0:24:42.840
<v Speaker 1>Hey, And everybody said it on the Dog he ain't no,

0:24:42.960 --> 0:24:45.760
<v Speaker 1>he ain't no fighter whatever what you call. You would

0:24:45.760 --> 0:24:48.080
<v Speaker 1>call Diddy anything you want, but he a fighter, is

0:24:48.119 --> 0:24:51.800
<v Speaker 1>not one of them. So like that was a crazy story. Diddy,

0:24:52.040 --> 0:24:56.320
<v Speaker 1>that's always have money because he would have gotten handled

0:24:56.400 --> 0:24:58.720
<v Speaker 1>so many times in his lifetime if he didn't.

0:25:00.040 --> 0:25:01.639
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and they did a good job with that, like

0:25:01.680 --> 0:25:05.200
<v Speaker 2>showing him just surrounding himself with like real street dudes,

0:25:05.520 --> 0:25:09.600
<v Speaker 2>you know, and using them as muscle. But yeah, every yeah,

0:25:09.680 --> 0:25:11.840
<v Speaker 2>every sermon was like, yeah, we know what this guy is,

0:25:11.920 --> 0:25:14.280
<v Speaker 2>but we know he ain't about that life. So taking

0:25:14.320 --> 0:25:17.280
<v Speaker 2>around the corner and you know, and see what's up.

0:25:17.280 --> 0:25:19.040
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, that that ship was crazy. What y'all think

0:25:19.040 --> 0:25:22.679
<v Speaker 2>about Mark Curry? Mark was telling a lot of the

0:25:22.720 --> 0:25:23.280
<v Speaker 2>stories too.

0:25:24.520 --> 0:25:26.520
<v Speaker 1>Every time they say Mark Curry, I think of hanging

0:25:26.520 --> 0:25:27.280
<v Speaker 1>with mister Cooper.

0:25:30.640 --> 0:25:34.560
<v Speaker 3>See it's the hating when mister Cooper is Mark Corey.

0:25:34.640 --> 0:25:37.520
<v Speaker 1>I guess because Mark Curry has been the guy who was, like,

0:25:38.480 --> 0:25:41.480
<v Speaker 1>from what I've known historically, anytime you get a chance

0:25:41.520 --> 0:25:44.080
<v Speaker 1>to hate on Puff or like to speak, you know,

0:25:44.760 --> 0:25:47.840
<v Speaker 1>honest truth about Puff, he be the first person anybody

0:25:47.880 --> 0:25:49.760
<v Speaker 1>called yeah.

0:25:48.960 --> 0:25:51.439
<v Speaker 4>So he was so he was just he was just

0:25:51.720 --> 0:25:53.240
<v Speaker 4>having a great time in this doc.

0:25:54.720 --> 0:25:58.840
<v Speaker 1>I don't know him or I don't know anything about him,

0:25:59.240 --> 0:26:02.680
<v Speaker 1>but I believe there was he said because of how

0:26:02.840 --> 0:26:06.040
<v Speaker 1>the doc ended with him. Look, you don't make up

0:26:06.040 --> 0:26:07.960
<v Speaker 1>some ship about a guy and then go on a

0:26:09.000 --> 0:26:11.920
<v Speaker 1>big ass documentary and cry and you're a grown man.

0:26:12.080 --> 0:26:15.159
<v Speaker 1>You don't do that. That shit affected him. Whatever the

0:26:15.160 --> 0:26:18.040
<v Speaker 1>fuck did he was doing affected him. And then he

0:26:18.119 --> 0:26:21.919
<v Speaker 1>called him a sucker ass nigga. I believed him. I

0:26:21.960 --> 0:26:26.320
<v Speaker 1>believed everything he said. That man was not lying. Yeah,

0:26:26.359 --> 0:26:28.159
<v Speaker 1>he wrote I think he wrote a book Dancing with

0:26:28.200 --> 0:26:31.240
<v Speaker 1>the Devil or something like that a little bit ago,

0:26:32.960 --> 0:26:35.480
<v Speaker 1>and that was just kind of like again expounding upon

0:26:35.520 --> 0:26:38.800
<v Speaker 1>what he said in the dock. But uh, what I

0:26:38.840 --> 0:26:42.320
<v Speaker 1>did find interesting is that Diddy has no talent except

0:26:42.320 --> 0:26:43.000
<v Speaker 1>for his ear.

0:26:44.080 --> 0:26:48.560
<v Speaker 4>Because he was saying, bro, I had to even even

0:26:48.560 --> 0:26:49.840
<v Speaker 4>though at the end of the doc.

0:26:50.080 --> 0:26:52.159
<v Speaker 1>Uh, the young producer was like, bro, we had to

0:26:52.200 --> 0:26:53.880
<v Speaker 1>do like eight hundred takes.

0:26:54.119 --> 0:26:56.840
<v Speaker 3>This right, I was like, bro.

0:26:57.040 --> 0:27:01.439
<v Speaker 1>They was like, Diddy is trash like Gabbage, And granted

0:27:01.480 --> 0:27:04.040
<v Speaker 1>we knew that too as fans, but.

0:27:04.240 --> 0:27:05.679
<v Speaker 3>You know what I'm saying, Like, but he's still on

0:27:05.880 --> 0:27:06.919
<v Speaker 3>very classic hip.

0:27:06.760 --> 0:27:09.240
<v Speaker 1>Hop records, you know, with Versus and Ship, so I

0:27:09.240 --> 0:27:10.960
<v Speaker 1>guess we kind of let this slide. But like to

0:27:11.040 --> 0:27:13.000
<v Speaker 1>hear that from his peers or people who are in

0:27:13.040 --> 0:27:15.240
<v Speaker 1>the room, was like, okay, that says a lot.

0:27:16.440 --> 0:27:19.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah. Mark Mark Curry was interesting because he was

0:27:19.880 --> 0:27:22.760
<v Speaker 2>giving even more insight as an artist. He was like,

0:27:23.359 --> 0:27:26.879
<v Speaker 2>nobody got paid, he said, did he got paid? Did

0:27:26.960 --> 0:27:28.679
<v Speaker 2>would be in the videos? He would pay himself and

0:27:28.720 --> 0:27:30.640
<v Speaker 2>all of those Like he was just laying it out, bro,

0:27:31.080 --> 0:27:33.879
<v Speaker 2>And he was like everybody ended up leaving and you

0:27:34.160 --> 0:27:37.399
<v Speaker 2>just growing up remembering all that stuff. You're like, damn

0:27:37.640 --> 0:27:40.880
<v Speaker 2>like seeing the like retold him like yeah, yeah, they

0:27:41.000 --> 0:27:42.680
<v Speaker 2>end up then total like he had a lot of

0:27:44.320 --> 0:27:47.479
<v Speaker 2>with the mainstream bro. He had a line up and

0:27:47.640 --> 0:27:50.280
<v Speaker 2>hit after hit after hit. You know. Mace was like,

0:27:50.320 --> 0:27:52.040
<v Speaker 2>I don't even want to I want to do something else,

0:27:52.760 --> 0:27:53.800
<v Speaker 2>was like.

0:27:54.520 --> 0:27:57.560
<v Speaker 1>Mason, like again me growing up, Mace became a pastor

0:27:58.160 --> 0:28:01.040
<v Speaker 1>like like that, That's what the curty said. People either

0:28:01.080 --> 0:28:03.919
<v Speaker 1>end up dead in jail or with God, like you know,

0:28:04.240 --> 0:28:07.320
<v Speaker 1>Like it was like it was crazy to see, like

0:28:08.119 --> 0:28:09.800
<v Speaker 1>how being around this guy.

0:28:11.119 --> 0:28:12.960
<v Speaker 3>Like either corrupted you.

0:28:14.720 --> 0:28:17.680
<v Speaker 1>So so much so that you were going you wanted

0:28:17.720 --> 0:28:19.520
<v Speaker 1>to go in a whole different direction, or either you

0:28:19.560 --> 0:28:24.080
<v Speaker 1>just want to remove yourself or unfortunately other forces removed

0:28:24.080 --> 0:28:27.040
<v Speaker 1>you from this life. So it was just but he

0:28:27.160 --> 0:28:31.840
<v Speaker 1>was but he's he's a very interesting manipulator because he

0:28:31.920 --> 0:28:34.159
<v Speaker 1>gets like what somebody messages, like, he knows how to

0:28:34.160 --> 0:28:35.320
<v Speaker 1>please you, Like he knows like.

0:28:35.280 --> 0:28:38.120
<v Speaker 3>He'll get you like he'll promise you fame, he'll promise you.

0:28:38.080 --> 0:28:39.959
<v Speaker 1>Record deals, we promise you a chance of music industry,

0:28:40.160 --> 0:28:42.959
<v Speaker 1>He'll promise you whatever. And then once he gets you in,

0:28:43.040 --> 0:28:44.719
<v Speaker 1>then he makes he knows how to make you dependent

0:28:44.760 --> 0:28:47.360
<v Speaker 1>on him, Like, I think the way people stick around

0:28:47.480 --> 0:28:48.920
<v Speaker 1>if they weren't getting paid, they were at least in

0:28:49.000 --> 0:28:51.400
<v Speaker 1>the lifestyle. So that's why the party's probably made a

0:28:51.400 --> 0:28:55.800
<v Speaker 1>lot of h was heavily you know, emphasized on the hotels,

0:28:55.960 --> 0:28:58.480
<v Speaker 1>the being in the studio with these bigger artists around,

0:28:58.520 --> 0:29:01.960
<v Speaker 1>like it was just it's just it's like crazy.

0:29:01.600 --> 0:29:04.360
<v Speaker 3>Like manipulation. I don't know how someone is able to

0:29:04.440 --> 0:29:05.080
<v Speaker 3>do that.

0:29:06.600 --> 0:29:09.160
<v Speaker 1>In today's sense, but like obviously, but back then, I

0:29:09.200 --> 0:29:12.720
<v Speaker 1>think basically and where he came up, it's easy to

0:29:12.720 --> 0:29:14.000
<v Speaker 1>see how he was able to do that.

0:29:16.240 --> 0:29:19.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that crab Mac story was sad.

0:29:19.800 --> 0:29:20.760
<v Speaker 4>Very sad.

0:29:22.120 --> 0:29:23.840
<v Speaker 2>Man, What are you talking about?

0:29:23.840 --> 0:29:25.920
<v Speaker 3>The one he said that he had like a water cast.

0:29:25.960 --> 0:29:27.480
<v Speaker 3>She only gave him a hundred dollars.

0:29:27.240 --> 0:29:31.240
<v Speaker 4>Gave one hundred dollars and broke That's disgusting, man.

0:29:32.040 --> 0:29:34.440
<v Speaker 2>She was his wife said she had to borrow money

0:29:34.480 --> 0:29:37.520
<v Speaker 2>from her dad. You gotta hit records, and he just

0:29:37.600 --> 0:29:39.840
<v Speaker 2>hit all the money like and you just like you said,

0:29:39.920 --> 0:29:42.440
<v Speaker 2>he's and what crab Mac, He couldn't do shit, But

0:29:42.800 --> 0:29:45.840
<v Speaker 2>what was he gonna do about to go with sn't night?

0:29:45.920 --> 0:29:48.080
<v Speaker 2>And then that's where we get into the Old East

0:29:48.120 --> 0:29:51.479
<v Speaker 2>versus West Thing and and Poc and Biggie and watching

0:29:51.520 --> 0:29:54.680
<v Speaker 2>this man like we heard the stories that they were friends.

0:29:55.080 --> 0:29:58.800
<v Speaker 2>You know, there's a song with them together, you know,

0:29:59.000 --> 0:30:03.680
<v Speaker 2>out there and just watching it, man, I was just like, man,

0:30:03.760 --> 0:30:09.120
<v Speaker 2>what could have been if this guy wasn't so jealous? Yep?

0:30:09.400 --> 0:30:13.920
<v Speaker 2>I mean, my god, man, man, they and just seeing

0:30:13.920 --> 0:30:16.960
<v Speaker 2>them together and I don't think I've seen a video

0:30:17.000 --> 0:30:18.360
<v Speaker 2>before when they were at the table and they did

0:30:18.360 --> 0:30:22.240
<v Speaker 2>a little freestyle and they were laughing. Man, bro just sad.

0:30:22.880 --> 0:30:26.880
<v Speaker 2>You know, what did you guys think about, Like the

0:30:26.960 --> 0:30:31.840
<v Speaker 2>retelling of the whole Puff and Big story, including information

0:30:31.920 --> 0:30:35.120
<v Speaker 2>from I think Keithy d talking about his his involvement

0:30:35.400 --> 0:30:38.520
<v Speaker 2>with it.

0:30:37.080 --> 0:30:40.240
<v Speaker 1>It just gives it just gives more of an impression

0:30:41.520 --> 0:30:45.400
<v Speaker 1>that a lot of people that thought that did he

0:30:45.520 --> 0:30:47.520
<v Speaker 1>had something to do with both murders were right.

0:30:48.920 --> 0:30:52.960
<v Speaker 4>You know, it's pretty It's pretty clear to me.

0:30:53.160 --> 0:30:55.360
<v Speaker 1>I mean, obviously I don't have an inside college, but

0:30:55.400 --> 0:30:58.480
<v Speaker 1>it's pretty clear to me that did he had something

0:30:58.480 --> 0:31:01.400
<v Speaker 1>to do with both of those. He did not like

0:31:01.520 --> 0:31:05.160
<v Speaker 1>Pac because he thought pauc was trying to take Big,

0:31:05.560 --> 0:31:09.880
<v Speaker 1>which is crazy, and then for him to kill Big.

0:31:10.040 --> 0:31:14.920
<v Speaker 1>It made sense too because It's like he knew he

0:31:14.960 --> 0:31:18.560
<v Speaker 1>could ride off of that grief shit forever. But there's

0:31:18.600 --> 0:31:21.520
<v Speaker 1>also the illogicality of it where it's like, well, he

0:31:21.600 --> 0:31:24.920
<v Speaker 1>killed his biggest cash cow. H So I could see

0:31:24.960 --> 0:31:30.920
<v Speaker 1>either one, but with Pac, most definitely, most fucking definitely

0:31:31.240 --> 0:31:32.960
<v Speaker 1>he has something to do with it, and that's that's

0:31:33.120 --> 0:31:36.560
<v Speaker 1>just that's just a shame, man. And you could tell

0:31:36.600 --> 0:31:38.800
<v Speaker 1>he was lying when they asked him on fucking that

0:31:38.840 --> 0:31:41.440
<v Speaker 1>little interview where they were like, did you have anything

0:31:41.480 --> 0:31:43.920
<v Speaker 1>to do with PAC's death?

0:31:44.480 --> 0:31:50.240
<v Speaker 4>You could tell he was lying. Shit, That shit was crazy.

0:31:50.280 --> 0:31:51.920
<v Speaker 4>I'm like, who did you think believe that?

0:31:52.880 --> 0:31:54.520
<v Speaker 1>And then they asked him another question like do you

0:31:54.560 --> 0:31:56.920
<v Speaker 1>know do you have anything or do you know anything

0:31:56.920 --> 0:32:00.800
<v Speaker 1>about Biggs murder? Like who possibly could have murdered Biggie?

0:32:00.760 --> 0:32:03.560
<v Speaker 1>And he kind of gave a similar energy answer with that.

0:32:06.200 --> 0:32:07.520
<v Speaker 1>For me, it was just.

0:32:07.560 --> 0:32:11.640
<v Speaker 3>Like Wow, hearing it told in this way.

0:32:13.880 --> 0:32:15.640
<v Speaker 1>Was just like one, like you said, Cam, like we

0:32:15.680 --> 0:32:18.000
<v Speaker 1>could have probably got a Tupac big album something like

0:32:18.040 --> 0:32:20.680
<v Speaker 1>based off how the chemistry and the friendship that I

0:32:20.760 --> 0:32:24.680
<v Speaker 1>was brewing. It seemed like they were really going to

0:32:24.760 --> 0:32:27.240
<v Speaker 1>make some like a really big impact in hip hop

0:32:27.600 --> 0:32:30.120
<v Speaker 1>that you know, they already have, of course as individuals,

0:32:30.160 --> 0:32:32.440
<v Speaker 1>but together it could have been something crazy. And the

0:32:33.720 --> 0:32:36.880
<v Speaker 1>like you mentioned, Mike, the jealousy, like to me, like

0:32:38.240 --> 0:32:41.160
<v Speaker 1>it makes sense for me. When you were just saying it,

0:32:41.160 --> 0:32:42.680
<v Speaker 1>it was like, it makes sense for him to kill

0:32:42.760 --> 0:32:47.800
<v Speaker 1>Big if he's someone who doesn't really think that far ahead. Yeah,

0:32:47.840 --> 0:32:49.600
<v Speaker 1>you know what I'm saying, Like it's an emotional thing

0:32:49.640 --> 0:32:53.400
<v Speaker 1>where it's like I see myself at the top, Like

0:32:53.480 --> 0:32:55.960
<v Speaker 1>I have all this talent that I've groomed, that I've grown,

0:32:56.080 --> 0:32:59.440
<v Speaker 1>like that I've I've polished and made better. How come

0:32:59.520 --> 0:33:01.200
<v Speaker 1>I'm not like that? How come I can't be out

0:33:01.200 --> 0:33:04.080
<v Speaker 1>of that? And if everybody's giving Biggie to shine, I

0:33:04.120 --> 0:33:06.880
<v Speaker 1>got to remove him, And like you mentioned, removing him

0:33:06.920 --> 0:33:09.480
<v Speaker 1>will help me boost my that's the you know, stool

0:33:09.560 --> 0:33:13.360
<v Speaker 1>to my platform. So it was just and but even

0:33:13.360 --> 0:33:17.600
<v Speaker 1>then that logic, it's just crazy and the Keifi d shit.

0:33:17.680 --> 0:33:19.560
<v Speaker 1>I didn't even know how recent that interview was, but

0:33:19.600 --> 0:33:21.760
<v Speaker 1>like the way he detailed out like what happened, I'm like.

0:33:21.720 --> 0:33:22.960
<v Speaker 3>That's easily believable.

0:33:23.280 --> 0:33:26.480
<v Speaker 4>M Like that, that's easily believable.

0:33:27.360 --> 0:33:32.320
<v Speaker 2>And then making Big pay for his own funeral was insane.

0:33:32.360 --> 0:33:35.360
<v Speaker 2>If that's true, and then you know, yeah, I.

0:33:35.320 --> 0:33:37.600
<v Speaker 1>Was gonna say, but I've also known for years that

0:33:37.840 --> 0:33:40.440
<v Speaker 1>Bigg's family has said that he don't really help him

0:33:40.440 --> 0:33:44.480
<v Speaker 1>out or like he like financially, Like, yeah, they take

0:33:44.520 --> 0:33:49.160
<v Speaker 1>photo options together and shit, but like, I don't, like

0:33:49.440 --> 0:33:52.000
<v Speaker 1>you would think that if biggs kids were well.

0:33:51.800 --> 0:33:53.320
<v Speaker 3>Taken care of, we would have seen it.

0:33:53.560 --> 0:33:57.800
<v Speaker 1>But I feel like they live very ordinary lives outside

0:33:57.840 --> 0:34:00.600
<v Speaker 1>the fact of all, my dad or my granddad, you know,

0:34:01.400 --> 0:34:03.400
<v Speaker 1>is one of the greatest rappers or is considered one

0:34:03.400 --> 0:34:06.320
<v Speaker 1>of the greatest rappers of all time. Yeah, if you

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<v Speaker 2>In real time I didn't see the pattern until they

0:34:49.719 --> 0:34:53.160
<v Speaker 2>set of him getting more popular with each dev until

0:34:53.160 --> 0:34:55.880
<v Speaker 2>they said it in the documentary and they showed it

0:34:55.920 --> 0:34:57.920
<v Speaker 2>to us and told it to us. I was like, shit,

0:34:58.920 --> 0:35:02.000
<v Speaker 2>you just one thing, said Mike, Like logically it didn't

0:35:02.000 --> 0:35:07.600
<v Speaker 2>make sense, but somehow it worked. This guy became huge,

0:35:08.600 --> 0:35:12.399
<v Speaker 2>shit made no fucking sense and just went and found

0:35:12.560 --> 0:35:14.440
<v Speaker 2>more acts, went and got made. He went and got

0:35:14.440 --> 0:35:16.839
<v Speaker 2>all these other people and just continue to blow up

0:35:18.080 --> 0:35:20.960
<v Speaker 2>after losing Big it's and.

0:35:21.040 --> 0:35:24.080
<v Speaker 4>Dancing throughout the whole thing. Can that's my thing?

0:35:24.320 --> 0:35:26.480
<v Speaker 1>Literally dancing on beings great When he came out in

0:35:26.520 --> 0:35:33.480
<v Speaker 1>that video with Sting, was that Sting s.

0:35:32.719 --> 0:35:32.839
<v Speaker 2>Bro.

0:35:33.000 --> 0:35:34.160
<v Speaker 3>I remember watching that.

0:35:34.200 --> 0:35:36.359
<v Speaker 1>I remember watching because everybody was sad with Big Guy,

0:35:36.400 --> 0:35:38.040
<v Speaker 1>and I remember watching that and that was like a

0:35:38.200 --> 0:35:38.680
<v Speaker 1>very emotion.

0:35:38.840 --> 0:35:41.760
<v Speaker 3>But again, to see it twenty twenty high.

0:35:41.560 --> 0:35:44.560
<v Speaker 1>Sided, like, bru, that's one of the biggest slap in

0:35:44.560 --> 0:35:46.239
<v Speaker 1>the faces you can make to someone you can see

0:35:46.320 --> 0:35:49.839
<v Speaker 1>your best friend. Yeah, yeah, none of us thought about

0:35:49.840 --> 0:35:51.879
<v Speaker 1>that at the time, but we look at it now

0:35:51.920 --> 0:35:56.840
<v Speaker 1>it's like this is this is fucking insane, fucking insane.

0:35:56.960 --> 0:35:57.880
<v Speaker 4>And I don't.

0:35:57.719 --> 0:36:00.279
<v Speaker 1>Remember who said it, but somebody on the dock kind

0:36:00.280 --> 0:36:03.640
<v Speaker 1>of implied, like, yeah, that whole ship was planned out.

0:36:04.440 --> 0:36:07.319
<v Speaker 1>The second that he died. It was like, oh, I'm

0:36:07.320 --> 0:36:11.440
<v Speaker 1>gonna fucking bank off this, and he did. But the

0:36:11.480 --> 0:36:14.120
<v Speaker 1>fact that he banked off of it with the worst

0:36:14.200 --> 0:36:15.800
<v Speaker 1>music ever fucking made.

0:36:18.440 --> 0:36:20.680
<v Speaker 4>Like I. I have a really hard.

0:36:20.440 --> 0:36:24.200
<v Speaker 1>Time when people are like, yeah, man, I fucked with

0:36:24.239 --> 0:36:26.080
<v Speaker 1>that that Diddy album, It's.

0:36:25.880 --> 0:36:33.440
<v Speaker 4>Like, how is that possible? Yeah, I understand it was

0:36:33.440 --> 0:36:34.520
<v Speaker 4>a popular album.

0:36:34.680 --> 0:36:42.439
<v Speaker 5>I get it, and you're like, man with hip hop

0:36:43.080 --> 0:36:46.360
<v Speaker 5>and you're like, yeah, that Diddy album was was dope.

0:36:46.560 --> 0:36:50.160
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, I don't. I don't understand. You must be

0:36:50.200 --> 0:36:53.680
<v Speaker 1>a serial killer or something that something is wrong with you.

0:36:54.920 --> 0:36:57.359
<v Speaker 1>It's the It's some of the worst music I've ever

0:36:57.400 --> 0:36:59.520
<v Speaker 1>heard come out of wrap. Oh No, he got, he

0:36:59.640 --> 0:37:03.120
<v Speaker 1>got I've Been Missing You, which was obviously the single,

0:37:03.360 --> 0:37:09.560
<v Speaker 1>and then all about the Benjamin's terrible, but those whole

0:37:09.640 --> 0:37:13.200
<v Speaker 1>song you know what, Yeah, his part is horrible, but

0:37:13.239 --> 0:37:19.920
<v Speaker 1>those are like big records.

0:37:20.960 --> 0:37:32.319
<v Speaker 6>Nothing No that ships Tray Bro like again, he was

0:37:32.440 --> 0:37:32.880
<v Speaker 6>he was.

0:37:33.000 --> 0:37:36.759
<v Speaker 1>He was the representation of everything I hated about rap,

0:37:37.160 --> 0:37:39.200
<v Speaker 1>And when that album came out, it was like, oh,

0:37:39.280 --> 0:37:44.000
<v Speaker 1>you're just happily solidifying and bragging about the fact that

0:37:44.040 --> 0:37:46.680
<v Speaker 1>you are one of the worst elements of hip hop.

0:37:47.320 --> 0:37:50.520
<v Speaker 1>You make the shittiest music. Everybody fucking hates you because

0:37:50.520 --> 0:37:54.160
<v Speaker 1>you don't pay them. And now you're like glamorizing the

0:37:54.160 --> 0:37:57.839
<v Speaker 1>fact that you can't fucking rap when when I guess

0:37:57.840 --> 0:37:59.640
<v Speaker 1>his name is Mark Curry, right, because since y'all told

0:37:59.640 --> 0:38:01.719
<v Speaker 1>me Mark Hurry was like, yeah, man, I would write

0:38:01.760 --> 0:38:04.400
<v Speaker 1>the raps and he going there and he fucking he

0:38:04.600 --> 0:38:07.160
<v Speaker 1>performed them, and he'd be like, that's not what I said,

0:38:07.920 --> 0:38:09.640
<v Speaker 1>and that's not how I told you to do it.

0:38:09.719 --> 0:38:12.279
<v Speaker 1>Do that ship again. And it's like, bro, you were

0:38:12.320 --> 0:38:14.799
<v Speaker 1>in there telling him to do it again, and this

0:38:15.000 --> 0:38:17.120
<v Speaker 1>final result is what y'all.

0:38:19.920 --> 0:38:22.799
<v Speaker 4>Best to do. He had no business anywhere near a

0:38:22.800 --> 0:38:23.759
<v Speaker 4>fucking microphone.

0:38:23.800 --> 0:38:30.359
<v Speaker 2>Man, that's he don't I don't disagree, but he got

0:38:30.400 --> 0:38:31.279
<v Speaker 2>some joints on that No.

0:38:31.280 --> 0:38:33.040
<v Speaker 4>Way I knew.

0:38:33.080 --> 0:38:38.360
<v Speaker 2>I never like that. I've never denied not liking that album.

0:38:38.719 --> 0:38:42.640
<v Speaker 2>You know, bro, it's it's not him, it's he got

0:38:42.680 --> 0:38:43.560
<v Speaker 2>some He got a lot.

0:38:43.480 --> 0:38:44.120
<v Speaker 4>Of people doing that.

0:38:44.560 --> 0:38:48.439
<v Speaker 1>He's he's great at directing, Like when they talk about

0:38:48.520 --> 0:38:52.000
<v Speaker 1>producing a track or producing an album, he's really great

0:38:52.040 --> 0:38:53.640
<v Speaker 1>at that. And it goes to show from the other

0:38:53.760 --> 0:38:57.879
<v Speaker 1>acts that we talked about, but like but again you

0:38:57.960 --> 0:39:01.560
<v Speaker 1>you it's like we It's like we should have seen

0:39:01.560 --> 0:39:03.919
<v Speaker 1>that this wolf was in Sheep's clothing the whole time.

0:39:04.040 --> 0:39:05.520
<v Speaker 3>Like because like even with the music, like.

0:39:05.440 --> 0:39:09.920
<v Speaker 1>You said, everybody else is good but him, Like you

0:39:09.920 --> 0:39:12.960
<v Speaker 1>can and you can say that about it almost you

0:39:13.120 --> 0:39:15.640
<v Speaker 1>go to the music, go to the reality of it

0:39:15.680 --> 0:39:18.359
<v Speaker 1>as a businessman when it comes to him and how

0:39:18.360 --> 0:39:21.239
<v Speaker 1>you deal with artists, like everything is like everybody's good,

0:39:21.280 --> 0:39:25.440
<v Speaker 1>but you you are the the worst thing about everything.

0:39:26.480 --> 0:39:30.759
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, you just tolerated and then and then but yeah,

0:39:30.800 --> 0:39:33.319
<v Speaker 2>I think it was interesting for them to say that

0:39:33.360 --> 0:39:35.480
<v Speaker 2>Mike and then say yeah, when they had a chance

0:39:35.480 --> 0:39:40.000
<v Speaker 2>to put Big on, I forgot the cover and yeah

0:39:40.000 --> 0:39:41.279
<v Speaker 2>he gonna call it there and was like, nah, I

0:39:41.280 --> 0:39:42.640
<v Speaker 2>need to my album.

0:39:43.160 --> 0:39:45.120
<v Speaker 4>Like what that sounds about, right?

0:39:46.200 --> 0:39:48.040
<v Speaker 1>They said they said Big was about to do a

0:39:48.120 --> 0:39:52.600
<v Speaker 1>European press tour and I think that was around the

0:39:52.640 --> 0:39:55.719
<v Speaker 1>same time he was about he got shot, and both

0:39:55.840 --> 0:39:57.359
<v Speaker 1>was like, nah, he he ain't about to do that.

0:39:57.920 --> 0:40:01.480
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, imagine how big big er Biggie would have

0:40:01.520 --> 0:40:03.640
<v Speaker 1>gotten if he would have done that or at that

0:40:03.760 --> 0:40:09.439
<v Speaker 1>time when he had everybody listening to him like, Yeah,

0:40:09.440 --> 0:40:12.640
<v Speaker 1>I think I think Mike, he I think he wanted

0:40:12.680 --> 0:40:14.520
<v Speaker 1>to take him out because he's like, bro, this guy,

0:40:15.320 --> 0:40:18.839
<v Speaker 1>it's like the he's a shooting star and I don't.

0:40:18.880 --> 0:40:20.799
<v Speaker 1>I'm not gonna be able to be on that those

0:40:20.840 --> 0:40:23.400
<v Speaker 1>coattails for long because he's gonna realize how big he

0:40:23.520 --> 0:40:25.799
<v Speaker 1>is out no pun intended outside of me.

0:40:26.360 --> 0:40:28.000
<v Speaker 2>And he was gonna leave. He was gonna leave.

0:40:28.120 --> 0:40:34.759
<v Speaker 1>Ye. Yeah, story too, Yeah, if I remember correctly, the

0:40:34.800 --> 0:40:38.360
<v Speaker 1>story was Biggie wanted to go to Europe and instead

0:40:38.880 --> 0:40:42.080
<v Speaker 1>Puff bade him go to California stay.

0:40:41.960 --> 0:40:42.680
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, stay in La.

0:40:42.800 --> 0:40:46.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and knowing that he had gotten multiple death threats. Now,

0:40:46.480 --> 0:40:49.360
<v Speaker 1>of course he's not here to defend himself. But the

0:40:49.480 --> 0:40:52.120
<v Speaker 1>question I would have is, why the fuck did you

0:40:52.239 --> 0:40:56.759
<v Speaker 1>let Puff make you do something that stupid? Why did

0:40:56.800 --> 0:40:59.920
<v Speaker 1>you think you're gonna be safe in an area that

0:41:00.000 --> 0:41:03.520
<v Speaker 1>I hated you? But then again, Mike, again, he's young.

0:41:03.640 --> 0:41:07.000
<v Speaker 1>He's only what twenty five, twenty six? Like these are

0:41:07.080 --> 0:41:11.440
<v Speaker 1>again these are all still young kids essentially, Yeah, like

0:41:11.719 --> 0:41:14.000
<v Speaker 1>and and then and then Puff is like everything he

0:41:14.080 --> 0:41:16.799
<v Speaker 1>touches turns the gold. At this point, especially with your

0:41:16.840 --> 0:41:19.480
<v Speaker 1>own career, so I got to listen to him, and

0:41:19.719 --> 0:41:20.319
<v Speaker 1>based on the.

0:41:20.239 --> 0:41:23.160
<v Speaker 3>Contracts, he might be like, my money's tied to this

0:41:23.200 --> 0:41:25.880
<v Speaker 3>ship too. If he if he upset that fucked everything up.

0:41:26.520 --> 0:41:28.839
<v Speaker 1>He is just the right people around him, unfortunately, because

0:41:28.880 --> 0:41:31.200
<v Speaker 1>somebody should have been like, bro, you're not doing this.

0:41:31.640 --> 0:41:35.160
<v Speaker 1>You are not going to California right now. They're going

0:41:35.200 --> 0:41:35.760
<v Speaker 1>to try.

0:41:35.560 --> 0:41:38.360
<v Speaker 2>To kill you. And they were, they were telling him that,

0:41:38.560 --> 0:41:40.960
<v Speaker 2>but yeah, they were telling them like they don't play

0:41:41.239 --> 0:41:43.040
<v Speaker 2>like one I forgot who said it was, like, Bro,

0:41:43.160 --> 0:41:45.520
<v Speaker 2>like they don't they get they get down in Cali,

0:41:45.600 --> 0:41:46.640
<v Speaker 2>Like you don't want to really do it?

0:41:47.360 --> 0:41:50.080
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, you don't.

0:41:49.880 --> 0:41:52.600
<v Speaker 2>Want to do that. Yeah, so but yeah, no, it

0:41:52.640 --> 0:41:56.000
<v Speaker 2>was It was interesting. I remember, yeah, just just living

0:41:56.040 --> 0:42:00.839
<v Speaker 2>through that moment and then you know, having the last

0:42:00.880 --> 0:42:05.839
<v Speaker 2>story was about did he going into making him sign

0:42:05.920 --> 0:42:09.960
<v Speaker 2>over the last twenty of his stock? I think that

0:42:10.080 --> 0:42:11.520
<v Speaker 2>was I think that was early on though. I think

0:42:11.520 --> 0:42:17.000
<v Speaker 2>that was to get the financing for bad Boy. Yeah yeah, yeah,

0:42:17.040 --> 0:42:19.600
<v Speaker 2>but that was crazy. But anyway, and then he left

0:42:19.680 --> 0:42:26.760
<v Speaker 2>him broke homeless, Yeah yeah.

0:42:25.719 --> 0:42:28.279
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, man, or if it's that baseball bat had been

0:42:28.320 --> 0:42:30.239
<v Speaker 1>in before he brought it up in there, you know,

0:42:30.280 --> 0:42:32.080
<v Speaker 1>It's one thing to get beat with a baseball bat.

0:42:32.160 --> 0:42:35.560
<v Speaker 1>You get beat with a baseball bat with some you

0:42:35.560 --> 0:42:38.840
<v Speaker 1>know what I'm saying, some booty juice on it that

0:42:39.000 --> 0:42:41.000
<v Speaker 1>makes it's.

0:42:40.800 --> 0:42:46.399
<v Speaker 4>Like that that Nagan back with the fucking booty juice

0:42:46.400 --> 0:42:49.080
<v Speaker 4>that it might stick to your face.

0:42:51.920 --> 0:42:53.719
<v Speaker 1>It's one thing to get your ass whooped. You get

0:42:53.760 --> 0:42:57.480
<v Speaker 1>your ass whooped, and you spell like you afterwards? Yo

0:42:57.560 --> 0:43:01.040
<v Speaker 1>do bruh, Ain't no fucking way. I'm like, hey, take

0:43:01.080 --> 0:43:03.080
<v Speaker 1>the twenty five percent, bro, I don't need it back.

0:43:04.400 --> 0:43:06.239
<v Speaker 2>I'm surprised he still didn't get the money, though. I

0:43:06.280 --> 0:43:08.680
<v Speaker 2>think when you anyway, I wanted to look into that

0:43:08.719 --> 0:43:10.720
<v Speaker 2>because I'm like, wait a minute, Like when you sell

0:43:10.760 --> 0:43:14.120
<v Speaker 2>your stop, that's a cash transaction. How did you not

0:43:14.160 --> 0:43:15.080
<v Speaker 2>get that immediately?

0:43:15.120 --> 0:43:16.360
<v Speaker 3>But you heard you heard that?

0:43:17.320 --> 0:43:17.640
<v Speaker 2>Go ahead?

0:43:17.719 --> 0:43:17.919
<v Speaker 4>Nick?

0:43:18.200 --> 0:43:19.440
<v Speaker 3>I was gonna say, you heard that bullshit?

0:43:19.520 --> 0:43:19.680
<v Speaker 2>Loune.

0:43:19.719 --> 0:43:21.120
<v Speaker 4>Did he say He's I'm gonna take it, but I'm

0:43:21.120 --> 0:43:25.319
<v Speaker 4>gonna give it right back? Like what?

0:43:25.560 --> 0:43:27.439
<v Speaker 3>That's probably why he ain't getting no cash out.

0:43:27.360 --> 0:43:29.920
<v Speaker 1>Of fight, because did he sit on your sign over

0:43:29.960 --> 0:43:32.360
<v Speaker 1>and I'm gonna pay you right back? That's exactly what

0:43:32.400 --> 0:43:34.640
<v Speaker 1>I was gonna say. He probably never gave him the money.

0:43:34.640 --> 0:43:36.719
<v Speaker 1>He probably told him, I'm gonna hit you back later,

0:43:36.760 --> 0:43:37.560
<v Speaker 1>and he never did.

0:43:40.320 --> 0:43:42.440
<v Speaker 2>The last two episodes, you know, most of the stuff

0:43:42.480 --> 0:43:44.719
<v Speaker 2>we kind of knew. They gave us a little bit more.

0:43:44.800 --> 0:43:47.040
<v Speaker 2>They gave us more backstory on the whole Cassie thing,

0:43:47.840 --> 0:43:52.000
<v Speaker 2>nineteen dating Ryan Leslie, kicking Ryan Leslie out the studio.

0:43:52.360 --> 0:43:57.440
<v Speaker 1>Basically, hey, Ken, his his hatred for light.

0:43:57.280 --> 0:43:59.000
<v Speaker 4>Skinned niggas was crazy.

0:44:01.400 --> 0:44:03.799
<v Speaker 1>He's the Alvi Shore girl at the height of Alvi

0:44:03.960 --> 0:44:04.720
<v Speaker 1>Shore's career.

0:44:05.360 --> 0:44:09.480
<v Speaker 3>Ryan, I remember the whole Ryland Leslie situation. I don't

0:44:09.480 --> 0:44:10.759
<v Speaker 3>know why, but I remember the whole Ryan.

0:44:10.719 --> 0:44:13.400
<v Speaker 1>Leaves situation because that was his girl and he was

0:44:13.440 --> 0:44:16.040
<v Speaker 1>the one that kind of he got her popping and everything,

0:44:16.480 --> 0:44:21.200
<v Speaker 1>and Diddy was like, nah, bro, she remain that. Yeah,

0:44:21.280 --> 0:44:25.120
<v Speaker 1>and then Ryan Leslie kind of just went away. It

0:44:25.200 --> 0:44:26.759
<v Speaker 1>was a weird like thing because he still had a

0:44:26.800 --> 0:44:28.960
<v Speaker 1>he was a really good producer and everything, especially for

0:44:29.360 --> 0:44:32.680
<v Speaker 1>R and B, the R and B genre. I don't

0:44:32.760 --> 0:44:35.479
<v Speaker 1>yeah that so that brought up some memories. But yeah,

0:44:35.680 --> 0:44:38.960
<v Speaker 1>that Cassie ship is like the Ken Porter Cashi ship

0:44:39.080 --> 0:44:39.680
<v Speaker 1>was crazy.

0:44:39.920 --> 0:44:42.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, she just had to sit there and just

0:44:42.480 --> 0:44:45.000
<v Speaker 2>just take it, like but you can see she was miserable.

0:44:45.440 --> 0:44:48.840
<v Speaker 1>That's crazy you sending you sending your side piece to

0:44:48.920 --> 0:44:52.399
<v Speaker 1>the store while your main comes through, and then when

0:44:52.440 --> 0:44:56.759
<v Speaker 1>your main leaves, you're bringing the side piece back. That's

0:44:56.960 --> 0:45:02.960
<v Speaker 1>insane work. And everybody round know that that's what's happening. Yeah,

0:45:02.960 --> 0:45:05.000
<v Speaker 1>because like, oh, we knew Kim was the wife and

0:45:05.040 --> 0:45:08.799
<v Speaker 1>Cassie was the wife. He even drug dealers, you know,

0:45:08.840 --> 0:45:13.640
<v Speaker 1>they necessary, And I'm like, I get it. But at

0:45:13.680 --> 0:45:16.800
<v Speaker 1>the same time, we this is different levels to this ship,

0:45:16.800 --> 0:45:19.839
<v Speaker 1>you know what I'm saying, Like, my thing is they

0:45:19.880 --> 0:45:21.839
<v Speaker 1>all knew that he was beating up on her. That's

0:45:21.880 --> 0:45:24.280
<v Speaker 1>the part that I can't I mean, I can't respect

0:45:24.360 --> 0:45:29.839
<v Speaker 1>any of it. But the whole cheating ship, Yeah, it's

0:45:29.840 --> 0:45:30.640
<v Speaker 1>fucked up, and that's.

0:45:30.600 --> 0:45:31.399
<v Speaker 4>Kind of y'all's thing.

0:45:31.480 --> 0:45:34.600
<v Speaker 1>But like, y'all all knew that he was beating the

0:45:34.680 --> 0:45:38.520
<v Speaker 1>ship out that girl behind closed doors, and y'all didn't

0:45:38.600 --> 0:45:39.879
<v Speaker 1>do a fucking thing.

0:45:40.000 --> 0:45:40.760
<v Speaker 4>That's wild.

0:45:41.280 --> 0:45:45.200
<v Speaker 1>Even even the man who the prostitute was like, did

0:45:45.239 --> 0:45:46.919
<v Speaker 1>he kick the ship at her? And I was like, damn,

0:45:46.920 --> 0:45:48.160
<v Speaker 1>why are you doing that? He looked at him like, bro,

0:45:48.200 --> 0:45:50.279
<v Speaker 1>you ain't about to do a damn thing. Yeah, because

0:45:50.280 --> 0:45:55.120
<v Speaker 1>he's with a hard fight like that.

0:45:53.960 --> 0:45:56.359
<v Speaker 2>That black story, bro.

0:46:00.400 --> 0:46:08.520
<v Speaker 1>Imagine did he try to disguise himself, went with a

0:46:08.600 --> 0:46:10.640
<v Speaker 1>cash sweater.

0:46:15.200 --> 0:46:21.719
<v Speaker 3>And he tried to Southern not have me dying that.

0:46:21.800 --> 0:46:27.120
<v Speaker 4>Probably never heard before. He was trying to sound Southern crazy.

0:46:27.360 --> 0:46:29.920
<v Speaker 3>He tried to do a Kevin Spacey Southern accident.

0:46:31.320 --> 0:46:38.319
<v Speaker 2>He t like, it wasn't me. Did the didn't that

0:46:38.360 --> 0:46:39.680
<v Speaker 2>guy look like Sterling K. Brown?

0:46:39.840 --> 0:46:44.320
<v Speaker 4>Then he did look like Randall a freaking random.

0:46:46.239 --> 0:46:50.839
<v Speaker 1>He looked like he looked like Leroy from Welcome to Derry.

0:46:51.400 --> 0:46:55.680
<v Speaker 1>Jesus hey bro, when he said we was sucking for

0:46:55.760 --> 0:46:59.280
<v Speaker 1>two days straight and he was like, how.

0:46:59.160 --> 0:47:01.560
<v Speaker 4>Y'all doing this? And they was They was just giving

0:47:01.600 --> 0:47:03.239
<v Speaker 4>them all kinds of drugs.

0:47:03.000 --> 0:47:07.799
<v Speaker 1>Like have the recipe, but I would I would take

0:47:08.640 --> 0:47:11.080
<v Speaker 1>my coum, and you know, he's been doing it for

0:47:11.400 --> 0:47:13.200
<v Speaker 1>months and finally I was like, what you're doing with

0:47:13.239 --> 0:47:15.880
<v Speaker 1>my cum And he's like, yeah, man, I like to

0:47:15.920 --> 0:47:17.880
<v Speaker 1>watch your drink it or whatever the fuck he said.

0:47:18.280 --> 0:47:20.240
<v Speaker 3>And then he shrugged it off and he was like, okay,

0:47:20.440 --> 0:47:21.440
<v Speaker 3>whatever you like to do it?

0:47:22.239 --> 0:47:23.880
<v Speaker 4>All right? What like what.

0:47:26.000 --> 0:47:28.880
<v Speaker 1>He was keeping your comb in a tumberware and you're like,

0:47:28.920 --> 0:47:31.479
<v Speaker 1>oh yeah, that's normal that he just brings down, makes

0:47:31.480 --> 0:47:35.960
<v Speaker 1>her drink it. What what I get that you get

0:47:36.000 --> 0:47:37.680
<v Speaker 1>paid for these services?

0:47:37.719 --> 0:47:40.759
<v Speaker 3>But like if someone's putting your nut in a sippy cup, bro, like.

0:47:40.880 --> 0:47:44.520
<v Speaker 1>Real, for real, that's great you And it was only

0:47:44.560 --> 0:47:46.040
<v Speaker 1>paying on what six bands?

0:47:46.160 --> 0:47:49.600
<v Speaker 4>I'm like, I don't remember, I remember?

0:47:49.680 --> 0:47:52.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, yeah I was.

0:47:52.360 --> 0:47:54.360
<v Speaker 1>I was expecting like a ridiculous amount because he's in

0:47:54.440 --> 0:47:55.480
<v Speaker 1>eight years, Mike.

0:47:56.719 --> 0:48:02.240
<v Speaker 2>Eight years, that's what he said, no years.

0:48:02.280 --> 0:48:05.800
<v Speaker 1>But every time he got every transaction was you wouldn't

0:48:05.800 --> 0:48:07.640
<v Speaker 1>fuck Cassie for six grand.

0:48:08.160 --> 0:48:10.200
<v Speaker 4>Listen, you ain't gotta pay me that much to fuck Cassie.

0:48:12.239 --> 0:48:14.080
<v Speaker 2>But my thing is the ship.

0:48:14.320 --> 0:48:16.080
<v Speaker 3>It's the other ship because Diddy's in the room the

0:48:16.120 --> 0:48:16.600
<v Speaker 3>whole time.

0:48:17.360 --> 0:48:21.160
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, with that thing, you can.

0:48:21.080 --> 0:48:25.279
<v Speaker 1>Have my you can have it all Diddy for six grand. Yeah,

0:48:25.320 --> 0:48:26.160
<v Speaker 1>give me the little cup.

0:48:26.360 --> 0:48:28.960
<v Speaker 4>There you go. What you do with this? I don't

0:48:29.000 --> 0:48:29.359
<v Speaker 4>need it.

0:48:31.520 --> 0:48:32.359
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't know.

0:48:32.560 --> 0:48:34.600
<v Speaker 4>I don't care about your silent pause. I don't give

0:48:34.600 --> 0:48:38.000
<v Speaker 4>a fu No, I'm just saying but because.

0:48:37.719 --> 0:48:39.400
<v Speaker 1>Because then he said he was like at first, you know,

0:48:39.440 --> 0:48:42.080
<v Speaker 1>the first few times, did he wasn't in the fault?

0:48:42.480 --> 0:48:48.000
<v Speaker 7>Did he? That's what I'm like, all right, bro, he

0:48:48.000 --> 0:48:53.400
<v Speaker 7>ain't worth it because you could tell he down played what.

0:48:53.600 --> 0:48:55.759
<v Speaker 1>Involved because he was just like, yeah, sometimes it was

0:48:56.000 --> 0:48:56.600
<v Speaker 1>I would have her.

0:48:56.680 --> 0:48:58.160
<v Speaker 3>She would ever then you.

0:48:58.120 --> 0:49:01.040
<v Speaker 4>Know, like god, we don't.

0:49:05.080 --> 0:49:15.000
<v Speaker 1>At least he got that same that he had Batman

0:49:15.200 --> 0:49:21.640
<v Speaker 1>was hey, mane like y'all laughing at No, that's not.

0:49:25.239 --> 0:49:25.680
<v Speaker 4>That.

0:49:25.680 --> 0:49:28.640
<v Speaker 1>That's when when when the when the whole came on,

0:49:28.760 --> 0:49:31.200
<v Speaker 1>I was like, bro, this whole documentary could have just

0:49:31.239 --> 0:49:34.920
<v Speaker 1>been him. Bro, they say, they say, I'm like you say,

0:49:35.000 --> 0:49:37.800
<v Speaker 1>Man for the head. He could have told a bunch

0:49:37.840 --> 0:49:43.320
<v Speaker 1>of stories. I really feel terrible for Cassie though, because

0:49:43.680 --> 0:49:46.320
<v Speaker 1>I don't know what was going on in her mind,

0:49:46.360 --> 0:49:48.479
<v Speaker 1>and I know that the jurors were trying to spend

0:49:48.520 --> 0:49:50.480
<v Speaker 1>it like, well she was involved and all that.

0:49:51.880 --> 0:49:52.799
<v Speaker 4>I just don't know.

0:49:53.120 --> 0:49:55.279
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, I don't I mean, yeah, I'm sure

0:49:55.320 --> 0:49:58.400
<v Speaker 1>she was involved, but I'm just not positive about how

0:49:58.480 --> 0:50:01.080
<v Speaker 1>much of that ship was consensual. Like, I just don't

0:50:01.120 --> 0:50:05.440
<v Speaker 1>really believe that she was consensually involved because she was

0:50:05.480 --> 0:50:07.040
<v Speaker 1>like when she said he met her when she was

0:50:07.040 --> 0:50:10.320
<v Speaker 1>like when nineteen or something like that. And the city

0:50:10.400 --> 0:50:13.080
<v Speaker 1>she comes, like New London, Connecticut is not that far

0:50:13.120 --> 0:50:16.160
<v Speaker 1>from where I'm at, and this is like small town

0:50:16.560 --> 0:50:17.520
<v Speaker 1>shit areas.

0:50:17.600 --> 0:50:20.080
<v Speaker 3>It's not like granted again, like I said, it's still like.

0:50:20.000 --> 0:50:22.239
<v Speaker 1>A half an hour and a half two hour train

0:50:22.320 --> 0:50:24.960
<v Speaker 1>ride to the city, but that's still a good distance

0:50:25.280 --> 0:50:28.080
<v Speaker 1>to have a different lifestyle. So going for her from

0:50:28.080 --> 0:50:31.560
<v Speaker 1>going from that, let alone, Ryan Leslie, going from that

0:50:31.640 --> 0:50:34.279
<v Speaker 1>to Diddy in like maybe a three years timespan, Like

0:50:34.760 --> 0:50:38.520
<v Speaker 1>that's a whole If he's able to manipulate grown folks,

0:50:39.000 --> 0:50:41.040
<v Speaker 1>what do you think he doing to a teenage essentially

0:50:41.040 --> 0:50:43.719
<v Speaker 1>a teenager or a young adult. Like it was just

0:50:43.760 --> 0:50:46.719
<v Speaker 1>like I like, like you said, Mike, especially when you

0:50:46.800 --> 0:50:49.560
<v Speaker 1>see that video of her trying to leave from that hotel.

0:50:50.680 --> 0:50:52.960
<v Speaker 1>She was she was you could tell she was tiptone,

0:50:53.040 --> 0:50:54.440
<v Speaker 1>trying not to make a step.

0:50:55.040 --> 0:50:58.839
<v Speaker 4>And then that video was just that was disgusting.

0:51:00.440 --> 0:51:05.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, yeah, Diddy went from episode one not doing drugs,

0:51:05.200 --> 0:51:09.640
<v Speaker 2>drinking anything to just taking everything pink this lacing the

0:51:09.800 --> 0:51:11.840
<v Speaker 2>baby oil with g or whatever they would call it,

0:51:12.000 --> 0:51:15.000
<v Speaker 2>just all kind of ship bro. He was, he was,

0:51:14.719 --> 0:51:17.640
<v Speaker 2>he was on one. But yeah, I was wondering the

0:51:17.680 --> 0:51:20.200
<v Speaker 2>same thing by like how much of this was consensual?

0:51:20.320 --> 0:51:24.160
<v Speaker 2>I was just like, you know, just wondering for eight years,

0:51:24.200 --> 0:51:29.560
<v Speaker 2>like her being possibly forced to do those things against

0:51:29.600 --> 0:51:33.520
<v Speaker 2>their wishes. You know that that has to be a

0:51:33.560 --> 0:51:40.520
<v Speaker 2>horrible experience for her to go through. But yeah, but yeah,

0:51:40.640 --> 0:51:44.120
<v Speaker 2>that was a that was interesting and they got one

0:51:44.200 --> 0:51:46.759
<v Speaker 2>lines that Frank Black and then episode four, you know,

0:51:46.800 --> 0:51:48.960
<v Speaker 2>it's kind of like where they just kind of conclude things.

0:51:49.000 --> 0:51:52.359
<v Speaker 2>I think we get the Kid Cutty story. That's when

0:51:53.400 --> 0:51:59.359
<v Speaker 2>what's Clark? She had an interesting first name came through.

0:52:01.920 --> 0:52:04.600
<v Speaker 2>Now her last name was Clark. She told the story

0:52:04.600 --> 0:52:07.120
<v Speaker 2>of kid Cuddy, how she was kidnapped to go commit

0:52:07.160 --> 0:52:10.200
<v Speaker 2>a murder because Cuddy went hiking.

0:52:13.440 --> 0:52:16.719
<v Speaker 4>Oh cut hiking with Cassie and Diddy got mad?

0:52:17.239 --> 0:52:18.560
<v Speaker 2>Mm hmm man.

0:52:19.440 --> 0:52:23.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, how Cutty got involved with this ship is it's

0:52:23.160 --> 0:52:27.600
<v Speaker 1>just crazy, Like, Bro, he ain't know what the that's

0:52:27.600 --> 0:52:28.399
<v Speaker 1>some movie ship.

0:52:28.480 --> 0:52:31.000
<v Speaker 4>Bro, somebody throwing a bomb on your car.

0:52:31.600 --> 0:52:33.359
<v Speaker 1>I feel bad for him because he just thought, Oh,

0:52:33.400 --> 0:52:35.400
<v Speaker 1>I got this fine ass woman that wants to hang

0:52:35.440 --> 0:52:36.760
<v Speaker 1>out with me and she wants to go camping.

0:52:37.160 --> 0:52:41.680
<v Speaker 4>This sounds cool. And here come Diddy knocking on your window.

0:52:41.760 --> 0:52:44.200
<v Speaker 4>What that's crazy?

0:52:44.920 --> 0:52:46.880
<v Speaker 3>And he you know Cutty from Cleveland, Bro, he a

0:52:46.880 --> 0:52:47.720
<v Speaker 3>neighborhood nigga.

0:52:47.719 --> 0:52:50.279
<v Speaker 1>This's all this ship is like otherworldly to him to

0:52:50.320 --> 0:52:53.680
<v Speaker 1>deal with that kind of ship, like, man, you ain't

0:52:53.680 --> 0:52:57.600
<v Speaker 1>seen no mess with You ain't seeing mess with a

0:52:57.760 --> 0:53:03.880
<v Speaker 1>superstar lady. Since degla women for him these days, he

0:53:03.960 --> 0:53:06.720
<v Speaker 1>wants a regular fucking librarian type hick.

0:53:07.440 --> 0:53:11.120
<v Speaker 2>And he just and his life was probably spare because

0:53:11.440 --> 0:53:14.520
<v Speaker 2>he was with Oh girl, imagine if he was there.

0:53:15.080 --> 0:53:18.000
<v Speaker 2>And then they told another story. I think the producer

0:53:18.040 --> 0:53:21.080
<v Speaker 2>that did the Love album, which actually actually now we

0:53:21.120 --> 0:53:23.600
<v Speaker 2>know why the album was good, because that guy did

0:53:23.640 --> 0:53:27.600
<v Speaker 2>the whole damn album. Uh it sounded good. But yeah,

0:53:27.640 --> 0:53:30.120
<v Speaker 2>he sold the story about how they went in the

0:53:30.120 --> 0:53:31.400
<v Speaker 2>bathroom and shot somebody.

0:53:32.280 --> 0:53:34.399
<v Speaker 1>That's the thing I didn't know about. I had never

0:53:34.440 --> 0:53:37.960
<v Speaker 1>heard that story. You and your son go in the

0:53:38.080 --> 0:53:41.319
<v Speaker 1>room and y'all shoot somebody like that and just walk

0:53:41.400 --> 0:53:44.240
<v Speaker 1>out and nothing happens.

0:53:44.840 --> 0:53:46.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, what the fuck?

0:53:48.200 --> 0:53:48.920
<v Speaker 4>That's crazy.

0:53:49.000 --> 0:53:51.719
<v Speaker 3>I'm calm telling fuck that.

0:53:51.280 --> 0:53:55.759
<v Speaker 4>That's the thing. Like one of me is like these

0:53:55.880 --> 0:53:58.520
<v Speaker 4>niggas who raised.

0:53:58.200 --> 0:54:00.560
<v Speaker 1>Y'all because I swell they made me. It made me

0:54:00.600 --> 0:54:03.040
<v Speaker 1>realize I was so glad for the parents in the community.

0:54:03.120 --> 0:54:03.919
<v Speaker 1>I was born in.

0:54:05.440 --> 0:54:06.200
<v Speaker 3>Bruh.

0:54:07.760 --> 0:54:11.360
<v Speaker 1>I am foreign to whatever lifestyle codes they dealing with

0:54:11.360 --> 0:54:15.799
<v Speaker 1>it because I would have been like nigga. No, I'm like,

0:54:15.920 --> 0:54:20.719
<v Speaker 1>officer is him. I'm there, and I'm glad to be

0:54:20.760 --> 0:54:23.239
<v Speaker 1>a square. I see you guys go in the room

0:54:23.280 --> 0:54:25.520
<v Speaker 1>and y'all leave, and the motherfucker on the ground bleeding.

0:54:25.680 --> 0:54:27.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm way to y'all in your car and you're driving away,

0:54:28.080 --> 0:54:32.719
<v Speaker 1>and I'm telling telling his name is Puff, Daddy of

0:54:32.760 --> 0:54:37.080
<v Speaker 1>Love Diddy and his little son. That kind of looked

0:54:37.120 --> 0:54:40.840
<v Speaker 1>like fucking Corey Gunns. That's him right there. He's the

0:54:40.880 --> 0:54:42.719
<v Speaker 1>one that fucking did it get him too?

0:54:43.680 --> 0:54:47.000
<v Speaker 4>That's insane. We just heard guns what.

0:54:48.200 --> 0:54:50.279
<v Speaker 2>And he said he just kept playing, He just kept

0:54:50.480 --> 0:54:51.920
<v Speaker 2>he just kept doing music.

0:54:52.120 --> 0:54:54.799
<v Speaker 4>He kept making music. He said he thought he hit

0:54:54.840 --> 0:54:56.400
<v Speaker 4>a button on the keyboard.

0:54:56.680 --> 0:55:03.320
<v Speaker 1>Lying make everybody, oh, why that happened?

0:55:03.440 --> 0:55:06.000
<v Speaker 4>You're lying, Mike. That was That was the fucked up

0:55:06.000 --> 0:55:06.919
<v Speaker 4>thing about this doc.

0:55:07.000 --> 0:55:09.719
<v Speaker 1>It's like everybody had They was quick to say shit

0:55:09.920 --> 0:55:12.920
<v Speaker 1>about Diddy, but they had their little goofball excuses for

0:55:12.960 --> 0:55:15.600
<v Speaker 1>why they didn't say shit, like not the victims, but

0:55:15.680 --> 0:55:18.319
<v Speaker 1>like everybody, like all the men. Basically what I'm saying

0:55:18.320 --> 0:55:20.719
<v Speaker 1>that we're around it, and I'm like, bro, what are

0:55:20.800 --> 0:55:23.920
<v Speaker 1>y'all saying? Because y'all suckers, and y'all want to make

0:55:23.960 --> 0:55:27.040
<v Speaker 1>excuses for being suckers, like, oh, yeah, I was just

0:55:27.080 --> 0:55:29.960
<v Speaker 1>making my song man, and next thing I know, I

0:55:30.000 --> 0:55:31.759
<v Speaker 1>heard a gunsh Let me tell you something right now,

0:55:31.760 --> 0:55:35.720
<v Speaker 1>everybody knows that gunshot sound on a keyboard. It doesn't

0:55:35.840 --> 0:55:38.960
<v Speaker 1>sound like a gunshot for real. Anybody that's ever heard

0:55:38.960 --> 0:55:42.120
<v Speaker 1>a real gunshot, you know the fucking difference. So there's

0:55:42.160 --> 0:55:44.760
<v Speaker 1>no way I believe that story a little Rod. I'm sorry.

0:55:45.200 --> 0:55:47.239
<v Speaker 1>I hate what you went through, and I hope you

0:55:47.760 --> 0:55:51.000
<v Speaker 1>are getting the help you need, therapy all that, but

0:55:51.239 --> 0:55:53.839
<v Speaker 1>I do not believe that you thought you accidentally hit

0:55:53.880 --> 0:55:54.920
<v Speaker 1>a button on your keyboard.

0:55:55.239 --> 0:56:02.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, Yeah, he had a interesting, interesting story. But

0:56:02.800 --> 0:56:04.799
<v Speaker 2>you know the thing about Rod, as we get ready

0:56:04.800 --> 0:56:06.520
<v Speaker 2>to kind of close as a girl to close out,

0:56:06.560 --> 0:56:10.799
<v Speaker 2>is that little Rod in the documentary not right? Right?

0:56:10.960 --> 0:56:17.560
<v Speaker 2>But damn Nick. At this point, Mike, everybody knows the

0:56:17.680 --> 0:56:21.200
<v Speaker 2>stories are out there, and he still made the choice

0:56:21.239 --> 0:56:23.279
<v Speaker 2>to go work for him, knowing that you may not

0:56:23.320 --> 0:56:26.319
<v Speaker 2>get paid, and it probably may be some other other

0:56:26.360 --> 0:56:29.399
<v Speaker 2>stuff going on the industry talks, and everybody knew at

0:56:29.400 --> 0:56:31.799
<v Speaker 2>this point. Rod didn't know until he was waking up,

0:56:31.800 --> 0:56:32.919
<v Speaker 2>and Diddy was next to him.

0:56:36.160 --> 0:56:41.440
<v Speaker 4>You mean this isn't real about why he won't go

0:56:41.520 --> 0:56:42.759
<v Speaker 4>to like what was it? What was it?

0:56:43.040 --> 0:56:52.000
<v Speaker 1>Gladys some weapons? But what he pulled the blanket back

0:56:52.040 --> 0:57:00.439
<v Speaker 1>and see you're telling me now, Bro, you're telling me, yeah,

0:57:00.480 --> 0:57:01.560
<v Speaker 1>ain't no sucking way.

0:57:01.920 --> 0:57:05.880
<v Speaker 4>You just know, Bro, I'm not waking up and Diddy's

0:57:05.880 --> 0:57:09.799
<v Speaker 4>in my bed. No, No, we're not going. Bro, We're

0:57:09.840 --> 0:57:12.320
<v Speaker 4>not going. God, somebody got to die.

0:57:13.000 --> 0:57:17.680
<v Speaker 2>Ain't all for twenty nine thousand dollars? He said? After

0:57:17.720 --> 0:57:19.400
<v Speaker 2>all that, Bro.

0:57:19.960 --> 0:57:21.840
<v Speaker 4>You can do that. You can work at Burger King

0:57:21.880 --> 0:57:22.400
<v Speaker 4>and get that.

0:57:22.480 --> 0:57:22.600
<v Speaker 1>Bro.

0:57:23.560 --> 0:57:26.280
<v Speaker 4>It ain't bro, My sax still got paid.

0:57:26.520 --> 0:57:30.400
<v Speaker 2>This man was making three to five hundred million dollars

0:57:30.440 --> 0:57:34.840
<v Speaker 2>off of merch off of Sean John clothing, and he

0:57:34.880 --> 0:57:37.160
<v Speaker 2>could give it twenty nine thousand dollars. He had nine

0:57:37.160 --> 0:57:38.479
<v Speaker 2>thousand in his fanny pack.

0:57:40.000 --> 0:57:42.080
<v Speaker 1>Wait, why that little why that little far because he

0:57:42.120 --> 0:57:48.440
<v Speaker 1>had them up that.

0:57:48.600 --> 0:57:51.320
<v Speaker 4>I don't know why it does that sometimes do that Like.

0:57:51.320 --> 0:57:58.880
<v Speaker 1>I'm about to drop some some real mar sam My

0:57:59.040 --> 0:58:03.000
<v Speaker 1>thing though, is like to your point, can even the

0:58:03.000 --> 0:58:06.240
<v Speaker 1>the Diddy Dirty Money era? No, not that there, but

0:58:06.280 --> 0:58:08.479
<v Speaker 1>like the when they went through the whole MTV making

0:58:08.520 --> 0:58:09.160
<v Speaker 1>the band stuff.

0:58:09.360 --> 0:58:11.760
<v Speaker 3>Remember one of them said, I went, he.

0:58:11.960 --> 0:58:14.040
<v Speaker 1>Gave him all contracts and said you got twenty four

0:58:14.040 --> 0:58:17.280
<v Speaker 1>hours to read over this and sign it or else

0:58:17.320 --> 0:58:19.920
<v Speaker 1>type shit. The lawyer is that she wanted to do.

0:58:20.000 --> 0:58:22.080
<v Speaker 1>He literally said, listen, I'm gonna tell you this right now.

0:58:23.240 --> 0:58:25.360
<v Speaker 1>He is selling you fame, not fortune.

0:58:25.560 --> 0:58:25.760
<v Speaker 4>Yep.

0:58:25.800 --> 0:58:27.800
<v Speaker 3>And she was like, and I signed a contract that.

0:58:28.320 --> 0:58:31.360
<v Speaker 3>I'm like, what, they'll.

0:58:31.200 --> 0:58:33.560
<v Speaker 4>Still make it. I mean, I get how that happens,

0:58:33.600 --> 0:58:34.200
<v Speaker 4>especially if.

0:58:34.120 --> 0:58:38.120
<v Speaker 1>You're young, you're poor, you come from a certain neighborhood,

0:58:38.200 --> 0:58:41.200
<v Speaker 1>and you don't really have a system behind you. Because

0:58:41.240 --> 0:58:43.160
<v Speaker 1>I was with you, Nick, I was like, why the

0:58:43.240 --> 0:58:44.959
<v Speaker 1>fuck did you sign that ship?

0:58:45.440 --> 0:58:47.920
<v Speaker 4>And then I thought about it. I'm like, I get it.

0:58:48.000 --> 0:58:50.080
<v Speaker 1>If you call from the hood, I get why you'd

0:58:50.080 --> 0:58:51.280
<v Speaker 1>be like, hey man, I'm just trying to get out

0:58:51.280 --> 0:58:51.600
<v Speaker 1>the hood.

0:58:52.040 --> 0:58:52.880
<v Speaker 4>I get that mic.

0:58:53.000 --> 0:58:55.400
<v Speaker 1>But at the same time, if someone's telling you you're

0:58:55.480 --> 0:58:59.360
<v Speaker 1>literally not going to get paid, it kind of takes

0:58:59.400 --> 0:59:02.040
<v Speaker 1>away the you're young, you know that, because it's like,

0:59:02.160 --> 0:59:05.440
<v Speaker 1>I'm really telling you as much as your lawyer. It's

0:59:05.440 --> 0:59:08.320
<v Speaker 1>not even like his lawyer or whatever, some goofball off

0:59:08.320 --> 0:59:11.560
<v Speaker 1>the street. He's whoever was representing you and saying, bruh,

0:59:11.640 --> 0:59:17.040
<v Speaker 1>this ain't eight. I get you, yeah, but I'll sigre

0:59:17.880 --> 0:59:21.480
<v Speaker 1>it's predatory and those kind of those kind of people

0:59:21.600 --> 0:59:25.640
<v Speaker 1>know who to do that shit to, like those label people.

0:59:25.680 --> 0:59:29.320
<v Speaker 1>They know who to fuck over with three sixty deals,

0:59:29.720 --> 0:59:31.920
<v Speaker 1>they know who to take advantage of. So I get

0:59:32.440 --> 0:59:34.680
<v Speaker 1>how all those people from making the band because nobody

0:59:34.720 --> 0:59:39.400
<v Speaker 1>knew any of them. Ne's was the only one that

0:59:39.440 --> 0:59:41.600
<v Speaker 1>I believe had a little bit of buzz going around

0:59:41.600 --> 0:59:44.320
<v Speaker 1>because he was a battle rapper unless I'm messed up

0:59:44.320 --> 0:59:48.200
<v Speaker 1>the timeline, but either way, nobody knew them, so I

0:59:48.360 --> 0:59:50.440
<v Speaker 1>see why they'd be like, shit, we got an MTV

0:59:50.560 --> 0:59:55.520
<v Speaker 1>show and Diddy even though this contract says He's not

0:59:55.560 --> 0:59:58.760
<v Speaker 1>gonna give us no money. I'm gonna be famous, so

0:59:58.760 --> 1:00:01.400
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna get money and just where you know what

1:00:01.440 --> 1:00:04.360
<v Speaker 1>I mean. So I know what happens, but I'm with you, Nick.

1:00:04.400 --> 1:00:07.600
<v Speaker 1>It's sad that these motherfuckers really thought that shit was

1:00:07.600 --> 1:00:10.040
<v Speaker 1>gonna be different for them. And then on top of that,

1:00:10.440 --> 1:00:13.200
<v Speaker 1>the again growing up, I remember the making the band

1:00:13.240 --> 1:00:16.280
<v Speaker 1>stuff and him telling them to go walk to from Manhattan.

1:00:16.440 --> 1:00:19.040
<v Speaker 3>Bro, Bro, Mike, I think you lived You've lived out

1:00:19.040 --> 1:00:20.800
<v Speaker 3>in New York but everybody. I think y'all all been

1:00:20.840 --> 1:00:21.280
<v Speaker 3>to New York.

1:00:21.760 --> 1:00:25.680
<v Speaker 4>Manhattan to Brooklyn is not up the strump. You can't

1:00:25.680 --> 1:00:26.000
<v Speaker 4>do that.

1:00:26.040 --> 1:00:28.640
<v Speaker 1>It's especially at night at that I don't know what

1:00:28.640 --> 1:00:30.720
<v Speaker 1>what season it was, but in New York once they

1:00:30.760 --> 1:00:32.360
<v Speaker 1>hit win the time, that shit is crazy.

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<v Speaker 3>You're not walking that. Even though girls said that, she

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<v Speaker 3>was like, I'm from here, I don't.

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<v Speaker 1>Sh I've never believed that story, and I still don't.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think that happened. I don't because I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think it's physically possible for a motherfucker to walk from

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<v Speaker 1>Brooklyn to Manhattan at night. So I thought that was

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<v Speaker 1>just dumped up for the show or something, because there

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<v Speaker 1>ain't no fucking way.

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<v Speaker 4>Bro.

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<v Speaker 2>It seemed like they.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't think they did it for some cheesecake.

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<v Speaker 2>How bad do you want it?

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<v Speaker 4>Because ordered because ordered it happily.

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<v Speaker 3>He was like the apple.

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<v Speaker 4>So Nick.

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<v Speaker 1>So it says that you could walk from Brooklyn Manhattan

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<v Speaker 1>in about three hours. For some reason, I thought it

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<v Speaker 1>was further than that. No, No, I'm just saying I

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<v Speaker 1>knew it wasn't. It's not like a day long trip.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not walking state to state. But New York is

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<v Speaker 1>not a small city. The Burroughs are very spread out,

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<v Speaker 1>So even attempting to make that walks like unless my

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<v Speaker 1>child or my mom is like sick and whatever.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not even considering it. And that's even just to

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<v Speaker 3>take the train.

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<v Speaker 4>Most things.

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<v Speaker 3>Don't even take the train out there.

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<v Speaker 1>To walk for some cheesecake for Diddy. Hell no, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>even to show that that. After that sentence, he says,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm off the show.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gone.

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<v Speaker 4>Bab wasn't going nowhere, Nick, she didn't have no other options.

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<v Speaker 4>Bavs wasn't going no.

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<v Speaker 3>She like she was side of still happy and excited retailers.

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<v Speaker 4>And I feel her, I do. I get it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like you don't have options, you don't have she

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<v Speaker 1>knows that if it wasn't for this show that kind

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<v Speaker 1>of made me look like a fool, maybe I wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>be where I'm at. Maybe she got opportunities from that.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure they all did. I'm sure Nests wouldn't have

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<v Speaker 1>been anywhere near as big of a battle rapper as

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<v Speaker 1>he got to be if it wasn't for that show.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what I'm thinking. I could be totally wrong, but

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, man, I get it.

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<v Speaker 4>I get it. It sucks though.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Last couple of things, just a couple of notes.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh oh, I don't know. Yeah, I'm sorry.

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<v Speaker 4>One last thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Diddy fucked up when he thought he could do that

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<v Speaker 1>shit to the white girl. Now, when he was doing

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<v Speaker 1>that shit to all these poor black folks.

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<v Speaker 4>I got how he thought he can get away with it.

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<v Speaker 4>But I was like, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>Anything about this Audrey girl. She don't look like she's

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<v Speaker 1>from the hood, bro. She looks like she got you know,

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<v Speaker 1>she got an uncle or a cousin that's in law enforcement.

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<v Speaker 4>So I don't know why.

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<v Speaker 1>The fuck did he thought he was He thought he

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<v Speaker 1>was so powerful he could take to white people. You

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<v Speaker 1>remember the email he sent to her now, But if

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<v Speaker 1>you don't want to, I'm gonna go back.

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<v Speaker 3>Like it was a kid like it was the way

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<v Speaker 3>he had an email.

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<v Speaker 1>He was like, God, bless God.

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<v Speaker 4>Put God first. I'm like, you just said.

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<v Speaker 2>You want.

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<v Speaker 4>What is.

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<v Speaker 3>Say with that?

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<v Speaker 4>She said, he emailed her dictics.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm like, and his signature is God bless bruh.

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<v Speaker 1>And the saddest thing this is the part that really

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<v Speaker 1>was just like God, I wish I had to watch

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<v Speaker 1>this When she said that she didn't even know she

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<v Speaker 1>was assaulted, and she said somebody else either had a

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<v Speaker 1>picture or a video or something and she had no idea.

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<v Speaker 1>She's like, I don't even remember that. This dude, Diddy

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<v Speaker 1>is a fucking monster, a monster.

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<v Speaker 2>That poor girl.

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<v Speaker 4>Man, God damn that poor girl. Yep, all these poor people,

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<v Speaker 4>not just her.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the hand sanitized thing was crazy.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't think that's crazy. I would be on that one, y'all.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't think that's crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>If I'm tapping up thirty people, I'm gonna need sanitize her.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess you can logically make that makes sense.

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<v Speaker 1>When he said in the cards, like y'all just hould

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<v Speaker 1>like one hundred fifty people I need to take He

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<v Speaker 1>said that basketball I gotta be hot. Hey kid, I've

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<v Speaker 1>been out here in New York. You yeah, you hugged

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<v Speaker 1>five six niggas.

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<v Speaker 4>You like, I gotta go take her, all right?

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<v Speaker 2>So I don't know if I believe, and well, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know the way he was taking drugs. When guy

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<v Speaker 2>said he was trying to get somebody to scene like

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<v Speaker 2>Michael Jackson finally got, he said he don't. He danced

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<v Speaker 2>four hours to that one song.

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<v Speaker 4>That did he did. I believe that.

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<v Speaker 3>I believe bro Ken. He danced them.

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<v Speaker 4>He danced the majority of his knock. Yeah, okay, you've

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<v Speaker 4>ever been to a raid.

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<v Speaker 1>Those motherfuckers dance for twelve fucking hours, and I can

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<v Speaker 1>tell you from personal experience it's crazy and they're all

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<v Speaker 1>on drugs.

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<v Speaker 4>So that ship I believe.

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<v Speaker 2>And the last thing I think burrows because he basically

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<v Speaker 2>told the whole damn shit like he was the lead guy.

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<v Speaker 2>But they saved this one to the end when he

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<v Speaker 2>was like, he said that did he did some sexually

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<v Speaker 2>deviant stuff? It's his words to him. Oh that was sad. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>he didn't. He didn't not go into any detail. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>he had that pause and he was just like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>sexual deviant stuff and he just left it at that.

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<v Speaker 2>And then I think he was alluded to he had

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<v Speaker 2>been homeless and broke. I mean, you built this thing up,

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<v Speaker 2>bro twenty five percent. He just can't take it and

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<v Speaker 2>then you just get fired and then you just on

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<v Speaker 2>the streets, which was you.

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<v Speaker 3>Know, to see then to see the heights that it

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<v Speaker 3>went to, you know.

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<v Speaker 4>Like, man, yeah, that was that was awful.

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<v Speaker 1>The fact that, like you said, can he didn't even

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<v Speaker 1>want to say what happened. He didn't even want to

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<v Speaker 1>go into detail. He's like sexually deviant stuff. That's all

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna say. I was like, man, that that dude's

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<v Speaker 1>been through some ship. That dude is definitely ship some.

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<v Speaker 2>Stuff, all right, Well, any final thoughts, he didn't.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, it just sucks that he wasn't on trial

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<v Speaker 4>for domestic violence. That's that's the part that sucks.

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<v Speaker 1>It sucks that he was only on trial for the

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<v Speaker 1>ship that the prosecutors knew they couldn't even fucking prove.

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<v Speaker 4>That's the part that I hate because Diddy should be.

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<v Speaker 1>Even as someone that doesn't like jail, Diddy should be

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<v Speaker 1>in jail. Bro, Diddy should be in jail getting his

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<v Speaker 1>see I can't even say his ass, well, but you know,

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<v Speaker 1>getting beat down every day every day, just beating the

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<v Speaker 1>ship out of him because that he is a fucking

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<v Speaker 1>disgusting human.

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<v Speaker 4>And anybody that's still defending him, I just don't understand, y'all.

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<v Speaker 4>I really don't.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought that was interesting at the end, the idolization

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<v Speaker 2>that they had, you know, the comments about losing kings

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, and the guy was like, Bro, they

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<v Speaker 2>never did anything for you.

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<v Speaker 4>Nothing.

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<v Speaker 2>Diddy has done nothing for you. He didn't do ship

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<v Speaker 2>for the people that were make that made him money exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>The only way I rationalized that because like you said earlier, Mike,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm never gonna really I'm not gonna return to this doc.

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<v Speaker 3>So those are my last thoughts on the doc.

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<v Speaker 1>But for the defend people defending him, the only way

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<v Speaker 1>I can justify it or say anything to it is

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<v Speaker 1>that they've like they've grown up with this man, his music,

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<v Speaker 1>his you know, his influence, and they feel like it's

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<v Speaker 1>a you know how black people are, Like if it's

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<v Speaker 1>only a few of us, like re certain heights, we

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<v Speaker 1>feel like they're a part of our family or they're

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<v Speaker 1>a part of.

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<v Speaker 3>Our like story as well.

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<v Speaker 1>So like if that's getting taken down, then that's a

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<v Speaker 1>part of my memories in my childhood that's getting taken down.

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<v Speaker 1>And like you know what I'm saying, Like people attach

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<v Speaker 1>themselves to a certain At this point, he was an

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<v Speaker 1>entity because you didn't know him as a person. Like

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<v Speaker 1>it's just like you get attached to that, and you like,

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<v Speaker 1>I got to defend it because that's a part of me. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>And I think that those people need therapy too, very badly.

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<v Speaker 1>If you if you have that level of a parasocial

1:09:02.160 --> 1:09:06.040
<v Speaker 1>relationship or idol worship, then you need to you need

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<v Speaker 1>to seek help because these people have never done anything

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<v Speaker 1>for you. And I got abusers in my family that

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<v Speaker 1>I've cut off, So if I can cut my own

1:09:14.120 --> 1:09:16.679
<v Speaker 1>actual family off, I can certainly cut off this fake

1:09:16.760 --> 1:09:19.080
<v Speaker 1>family because Denny's not gonna ever. Look, he don't even

1:09:19.120 --> 1:09:22.720
<v Speaker 1>loan his friend's money, So Denny's never gonna loan me money.

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<v Speaker 1>So what benefit does anybody have to defend someone that's

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<v Speaker 1>done this disgusting ship? I think it says a lot

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<v Speaker 1>about people that do that, especially but how they feel

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<v Speaker 1>about women.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, and and manipulating the community to gain that support,

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<v Speaker 2>and the and using social media to to suaye people's opinions,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, all that stuff, just taking advantage of people

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<v Speaker 2>out there. You know, it's more of what he does.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's it, man, That's that's that's Those are our

1:09:57.680 --> 1:10:02.920
<v Speaker 2>thoughts on the Diddy documentary about about fifty And who's

1:10:02.920 --> 1:10:05.200
<v Speaker 2>the director's name? I want to shout her because fifty

1:10:05.240 --> 1:10:06.080
<v Speaker 2>was the one that just got it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Alexandria, what was it like?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't even know.

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<v Speaker 4>Let me look it up real quick.

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<v Speaker 1>Nah.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, I thought it was something like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, Alexandria Stapleton, yeah is the one. Yeah, But

1:10:24.920 --> 1:10:27.080
<v Speaker 2>fifty was the one that kind of gave it, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit more amplification with the footage and stuff

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<v Speaker 2>like that and publicity, you know, because I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>how many people would have actually watched it if if

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<v Speaker 2>it wasn't for that controversy. But but yeah, but shout

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<v Speaker 2>out to her. I think she did an amazing job.

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<v Speaker 4>I think she did a good job, really well done.

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<v Speaker 2>Mm hmm. So we leave it there, man, We cut

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<v Speaker 2>you guys. Next time, we off peace.