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Speaker 2: The Frans per Second Podcast. Hey everybody, and welcome to
Speaker 2: a new episode of The France Per Second Podcast. My
Speaker 2: name is Kenthy. Ban's joined him on the show is
Speaker 2: Mike and Nick. What up? Fellas? What up? What's going on?
Speaker 2: Glad to have your I don't know if this is
Speaker 2: a good one to have you on. Nick. It's random,
Speaker 2: you know, given the circumstances or the episode or documentary
Speaker 2: about the cover, which is Sean Comb's The Reckoning. But uh,
Speaker 2: but you know, I think we'll get through it respectfully.
Speaker 2: We'll see anyway, That's what we are here to discuss. Uh.
Speaker 2: The new Shawn Combs documentary. You know, Nick, Mike, I
Speaker 2: think it's Spike really really started selling it for me.
Speaker 2: He kept talking about how good it is, like they
Speaker 2: really did a good job, et cetera, et cetera. I
Speaker 2: haven't heard a lot of people say that, but I
Speaker 2: haven't really been talking to a lot of people about it.
Speaker 2: I just saw a lot of people say they had
Speaker 2: no desire to watch it. You know, neither did I,
Speaker 2: but at one point there was a curiosity I had
Speaker 2: to watch it. And then when Spike started talking about
Speaker 2: Initially I did have a desire to watching that, but
Speaker 2: then when he started talking about I was like, okay,
Speaker 2: well let me check it out. Then I saw it
Speaker 2: was four episodes. I thought it was like one full documentary,
Speaker 2: like maybe two hours or whatever whatnot, So it was
Speaker 2: four episodes.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have agreed to this if I knew it
Speaker 1: was four one hour long episodes.
Speaker 2: I just finished it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, same, I'm here. I just finished it too.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I finished it this morning, this morning, around eleven
Speaker 2: something like that. But yeah, I watched part of it.
Speaker 2: I watched half of the episode last night, so I
Speaker 2: can have room to finish it today. But anyway, man,
Speaker 2: let's let's jump into it. Nick, what did you think
Speaker 2: about it.
Speaker 3: When it dropped?
Speaker 1: Well, since since I moved out to Connecticut, the area
Speaker 1: that I'm staying at, the city I live in is
Speaker 1: close to New York City, so a lot of the
Speaker 1: people it's like an hour and a half train wide away.
Speaker 1: So a lot of people who I've been act with
Speaker 1: who are older, who grew up around here, they said
Speaker 1: like they were aware of a lot of these things
Speaker 1: that were in the dock because you know, it's it's
Speaker 1: it's close proximity. So everybody was like kind of telling
Speaker 1: me like, just like you can't. Like I wasn't really
Speaker 1: caring about seeing it because you know, Diddy was indiceted
Speaker 1: and all this stuff, the whole trial and stuff like that. Again,
Speaker 1: I'm close to the city where all that stuff was happening,
Speaker 1: so we would get updates, so I didn't feel the
Speaker 1: need to like do a four hour you know, recap.
Speaker 1: But everybody kept on saying, you gotta watch it, you
Speaker 1: gotta watch it, at least around my area, man, you
Speaker 1: gotta watch it. And I'm like, man, all right, if
Speaker 1: enough people saying that, let me just check it out.
Speaker 1: And of course it's produced by fifty. So that's another
Speaker 1: reason I was like, I don't want to see this
Speaker 1: is just a fifty you know, just running over him
Speaker 1: like over and over again with this with this doc
Speaker 1: But it was actually well done. It was actually well done.
Speaker 1: It didn't need to be four hour, especially that last episode.
Speaker 1: To me, that last episode wasn't needed. But the two,
Speaker 1: like the second and third episodes really was what like,
Speaker 1: was very very interesting to me. And then the footage,
Speaker 1: the footage itself was just kind of like crazy, like
Speaker 1: how he was talking like seven days or like less
Speaker 1: than that before he got arrested and all that other stuff.
Speaker 1: So I thought it was well done, but it also
Speaker 1: felt like a documentary that was like it was too
Speaker 1: early to spit out because there's still a lot of
Speaker 1: stuff that's still open cases or still pending and a
Speaker 1: lot of other things that I felt like, this may
Speaker 1: be like five years too early.
Speaker 4: M all right, Mike, I mean it was fine.
Speaker 1: I feel like most of the stuff I'd already heard.
Speaker 1: There was only like a few things and I was like,
Speaker 1: oh shit, I didn't know that happened. I agree it
Speaker 1: did not need to be for episodes long, because I'm
Speaker 1: not I'm not all the ways. Sure who this even
Speaker 1: appealed to, Like, I feel like anybody that's gonna watch
Speaker 1: this Diddy doc is gonna be people like us, and
Speaker 1: people like us know most of this already. But all
Speaker 1: that said, yeah, they did a really good job of
Speaker 1: putting his whole story together. I didn't know that's what
Speaker 1: this was gonna be. I thought it was just about
Speaker 1: the trial. I had no idea it was a rise
Speaker 1: and fall type of type of deal. So so no, man,
Speaker 1: it was cool for what it was. I'll never watch
Speaker 1: it again, and it's not like something I would recommend
Speaker 1: to anybody.
Speaker 2: I think for some of the young cats that are
Speaker 2: out there at Hawaiians as they like to call them,
Speaker 2: I think it would be probably a good watch for
Speaker 2: them if they're into hip hop and stuff like that,
Speaker 2: just to kind of get that story. I thought they
Speaker 2: did a good job of kind of telling the full
Speaker 2: story of Puppy, even though we lived it right, So
Speaker 2: it was interesting reliving some of those moments. I will
Speaker 2: say that, But the first two episodes, I really liked
Speaker 2: how they put this together in terms of telling the story,
Speaker 2: and that was one of the things that really started
Speaker 2: to sell it for me. When when lou was talking
Speaker 2: about it and how they just built him up started
Speaker 2: from the beginning when he was a kid, really showing
Speaker 2: the things that made him into who he was with
Speaker 2: kind of the first episode and then the sex episode
Speaker 2: and then just to do like the fall from grace
Speaker 2: that he had. So yeah, I got to give him credit.
Speaker 2: I think they did a did a good job of
Speaker 2: putting this together, and I think they told us. What
Speaker 2: I felt was it was a pretty complete story with
Speaker 2: what they had and some of the things that that
Speaker 2: we knew. Fifty is petty Nick. I was trying to
Speaker 2: see how involved he was early. I was trying to
Speaker 2: watch that interview that he did with the with the
Speaker 2: astraal director because he was the EP on it. But
Speaker 2: I don't know, but I think that he one of
Speaker 2: the things that he was saying is that you know
Speaker 2: he he did this. His goal was to give a
Speaker 2: platform to victims and reveal the truth about Comb's the
Speaker 2: last behavior, preventing the culture from condoning such actions. Do
Speaker 2: you think do you guys think he accomplished that with this?
Speaker 1: To me, this is more of the enemy of my
Speaker 1: enemy is my friend. And I know it's weird to
Speaker 1: phrase like that because these were actual victims of like
Speaker 1: actual crimes, but it just it's like a vendiagram that
Speaker 1: overlaps with like, how do I take this guy down
Speaker 1: even further while also not having to seem like I'm like,
Speaker 1: as Marlon Walliams put the kicking them while he's down,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like it's like it was.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I feel like because I listened to Bomoni Jones, a
Speaker 1: podcast he had. He did a whole episode with the
Speaker 1: director of this doc asking asking her questions about like
Speaker 1: what was fifty's involvement and all that stuff. He basically
Speaker 1: said like he was kind of like he really let
Speaker 1: her cook. So like a lot of this felt like,
Speaker 1: at least from that, we felt like these were all
Speaker 1: like her storyboard of how she wanted to tell the story,
Speaker 1: and he was just kind of just the guy that
Speaker 1: was able to say, like, oh, if fifties attached to it,
Speaker 1: then it must be real. So it kind of helped
Speaker 1: her get those interviews and get some of that stuff.
Speaker 4: So he was just kind of.
Speaker 1: Like the the notarizer of it. But overall, I think,
Speaker 1: you know, fifties trying to do his own film and
Speaker 1: television stuff in Shreveport. I think this was like his
Speaker 1: first big introduction to say, like, okay, to take my
Speaker 1: film company seriously, I'm doing this doc, especially at this time.
Speaker 1: But overall, I I guess I'll say, I guess my
Speaker 1: answer will be I guess.
Speaker 2: Mike, you can answer the question too. But I want
Speaker 2: to also throw this question at you as well. Were
Speaker 2: you surprised that did he recorded as much as he
Speaker 2: did behind the scenes.
Speaker 4: No, I wasn't surprised about that at all.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think it goes to just like the
Speaker 1: whole Epstein shit with Gallaine and how they're like, why
Speaker 1: are there so many fucking pictures. It's like people like that,
Speaker 1: they're just so egotistical that and you know what, it
Speaker 1: also made me think of if you watch any like
Speaker 1: old true crime docs, like a lot of those motherfucking
Speaker 1: like murderers, they keep trinkets so they can revisit the murders.
Speaker 1: And I'm sure people like Diddy's minds work the same way.
Speaker 1: I'm sure you know he does this foul, fucked up
Speaker 1: shit and then he probably goes back and jerks off
Speaker 1: watching the tapes because he's a fucking freak.
Speaker 4: So No, I'm not.
Speaker 1: Surprised that there were all those videos, and plus he
Speaker 1: was he thought he was untouchable, and for a long
Speaker 1: time he was. So he's like, what difference does it make.
Speaker 1: No one's gonna bust me, no one's gonna talk, no
Speaker 1: one's gonna there's nothing that can happen to me. But
Speaker 1: as far as it being a first of all, I
Speaker 1: do not believe one bit. If that quote you read
Speaker 1: was from fifty cent about it being a victim story,
Speaker 1: I do not believe that one solitary bit. Now, if
Speaker 1: that was from the director, I'll believe them. Fifty I
Speaker 1: think he just got involved because this was a money thing.
Speaker 1: He knew it would be huge, and he don't fucking
Speaker 1: like fifty I mean, he doesn't like Diddy.
Speaker 4: Now. The thing is that I would also say, is
Speaker 4: I don't care.
Speaker 2: I do.
Speaker 1: I'm not of that whole like, don't kick a black
Speaker 1: man while he's down. Look, that black man kicked a
Speaker 1: black woman while she was down, So why should I
Speaker 1: give a fuck about anybody kicking him while he's down.
Speaker 1: We had an argument about this. I forget who was
Speaker 1: on whose side, but we had an argument about this.
Speaker 1: On the is the mic, I don't care. Yeah, huh no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: no no. This was about Diddy. This was specifically about
Speaker 1: when the news first came out that that fifty cent
Speaker 1: was doing a Diddy doc, there was an argument about, well,
Speaker 1: you know, you shouldn't kick a black man. While it
Speaker 1: was the same argument like fuck Diddy, Fuck Diddy. If
Speaker 1: if Mark Lamont Hill had some bad luck and lost
Speaker 1: his house and then I don't know, who's a really cool,
Speaker 1: smart black person. I'm trying to think. I don't want
Speaker 1: to like somebody cool like not fuck. This is a
Speaker 1: goddamn shame.
Speaker 2: Really good.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say Vincetas okay, but you know what, yeah,
Speaker 1: we can say Vince Staples because prin Staples is very smart.
Speaker 1: So let's say let's say Mark Lamont Hill hit some
Speaker 1: bad financial luck, lost his house, lost his car, and
Speaker 1: then Vince Staples, who I also think is is an
Speaker 1: intellectual in his own way, came out and started clowning.
Speaker 1: I'd be like, man, that's kicking a black man. Wale,
Speaker 1: He's down because Mark Lamont Hill ain't bothering nobody. Diddy
Speaker 1: was doing real day damage to the to the black community,
Speaker 1: so why am I gonna be like, Oh, I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna watch this because man, it's kicking a black man
Speaker 1: while he's days. Bro, this man was graping black women.
Speaker 1: What are we talking about right now? It's it's it's
Speaker 1: just ridiculous, So.
Speaker 2: Go ahead, yeah, yeah not And and you know, I
Speaker 2: think they did a good job of showing some of
Speaker 2: those things that people did not know. Nick, I don't
Speaker 2: know how much of uh Sean Combe's earlier career you
Speaker 2: were familiar with. They spent a lot of time in
Speaker 2: the first episode with that showing him being a dancer
Speaker 2: and all the music videos, starting out as an intern
Speaker 2: at Uptown Records and really just kind of growing into
Speaker 2: you know, the mogul. How familiar were you with any
Speaker 2: of any of that stuff?
Speaker 1: So for me, like it memory wise, I remember like
Speaker 1: at least Diddy from Life After Album dropping forward. So
Speaker 1: before that, like it was more research as being me
Speaker 1: being a hip hop fan of the you know, Uptown Records,
Speaker 1: and so like that first episode there was a lot
Speaker 1: some new information as far as like him and Heavy
Speaker 1: d and that whole party that happened in New York
Speaker 1: and all that and how crazy that was.
Speaker 3: And it was just to me.
Speaker 1: That was really insightful to see how much like I'll be,
Speaker 1: you know, I forget about especially like our artists that
Speaker 1: came out in the nineties, how young they were and
Speaker 1: in the limelight and like to be that young and
Speaker 1: then in life like and keep growing and it just
Speaker 1: makes you know they always say money and all and
Speaker 1: fame just makes you more of who you already are.
Speaker 1: Like to see that before him at a young age
Speaker 1: is like, that's crazy. And then how they wanted to
Speaker 1: tie it back to like how his mom and the
Speaker 1: death of his pops and all this stuff. It was
Speaker 1: just a lot of stuff that I was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: they're trying to show the manifestation of this, but my
Speaker 1: memory comes from life after death.
Speaker 3: And it seems like the doc says, at that time.
Speaker 1: Period that's when he fully became what he is, you
Speaker 1: know what we see it today after Biggie's funeral, so
Speaker 1: like like you can like I grew up no One.
Speaker 3: Well, he had like multiple name changes.
Speaker 4: It was puff Puff.
Speaker 3: Daddy, Diddy, Diddy, brother Love and.
Speaker 1: All the other stuff. It's like I've seen all his
Speaker 1: iterations from that point and he dancing all the way
Speaker 1: like I know, I know it's a serious doc, but he.
Speaker 4: Is a dancing He is a dancing ass nigga.
Speaker 3: He does not have us as a stereotype about that.
Speaker 1: So it was just it's just weird that, you know
Speaker 1: how they always say that the devil's in the music,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And it's just like to
Speaker 1: see his influence because like the songs still are recognizable,
Speaker 1: they make it, they still have a good rhythm, but
Speaker 1: now they just have a different feel kind of like
Speaker 1: just like similar to our Kelly, where it's like, these
Speaker 1: are the songs that I grew up listening to, and
Speaker 1: now I feel weird about him because I know who
Speaker 1: the man is and then you see all these testimonies
Speaker 1: and it's just like the thing that got to me
Speaker 1: is like growing up, like like when you string along
Speaker 1: all these cases and like what he did to Shine,
Speaker 1: what he did to the what was his name? Was it?
Speaker 5: Burrow?
Speaker 3: The guy who was y Yeah yeah, like he took
Speaker 3: that yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: Like and I'm just like, bro, he Like what he
Speaker 1: did to Steve Stout was like, bro, like how did
Speaker 1: he not get caught?
Speaker 3: Like how does this?
Speaker 1: How did he just get to now? The twenty twenty
Speaker 1: five or twenty twenty three, Like to me, this that's
Speaker 1: the that's the crazy part about it. And this is
Speaker 1: like you mentioned, Mike, he was public like he was
Speaker 1: the public figure for all of this in the news videos,
Speaker 1: all that stuff, and no one said or no one
Speaker 1: came out until now. It took a whole new millenniums
Speaker 1: to hit for him to go down.
Speaker 4: It's crazy.
Speaker 2: It took a yeah, they were scared. It took a
Speaker 2: societal change, you know, the Me Too movement for people
Speaker 2: to take this stuff over. You know, the guy said
Speaker 2: he had a lot of money so he can buy
Speaker 2: a lot of shit, like Joy Dickerson Neil. You know.
Speaker 2: I think in the first episode she was talking about
Speaker 2: how she was raped and she was trying to tell
Speaker 2: people about it, and I think one of the guys
Speaker 2: was like, yeah, if I do anything or say anything,
Speaker 2: I won't be able to get to go to the
Speaker 2: parties anymore.
Speaker 4: Ye And I was crazy. I was crazy.
Speaker 3: He didn't even say a check, he just said a party.
Speaker 2: I'm like, b what mm hmm. Yeah, you know it's so.
Speaker 2: I'm sure Mike remembers this growing up, growing up at
Speaker 2: that time, Bro, Like you hear these stories, you know,
Speaker 2: you hear about Steve Stout, you know, and all this stuff, man,
Speaker 2: And it was such a different, dangerous time watching back
Speaker 2: this stuff and everything that went down with Buffy Big,
Speaker 2: which we get to a sec you know, it just
Speaker 2: reminded me, man, like we've come a long way from
Speaker 2: where it was. But you're talking about a lot of
Speaker 2: these kids. A lot of them were teenagers seventeen eighteen,
Speaker 2: so they don't really have an opportunity to kind of mature.
Speaker 2: They're growing up in one of the environment they're growing
Speaker 2: up in, and then they get access to money and
Speaker 2: now you know, there's so you're still stuck in this
Speaker 2: sort of infant sort of mindset and you just never
Speaker 2: let it. They never let it go and don't even
Speaker 2: give a chance to mature. So that's what happened to me.
Speaker 2: Like I remember that that City College stampede, Mike, do
Speaker 2: you remember that shit?
Speaker 1: So, No, here's the thing about a lot of this
Speaker 1: Diddy stuff. I learned about this stuff well after the
Speaker 1: fact because Wild Diddy was popular. This was like the
Speaker 1: height of all of the underground versus mainstream shit. So
Speaker 1: and that's what I was involved in. I wasn't paying
Speaker 1: attention to this shit, and anytime Diddy's name came up,
Speaker 1: it was always negative because he represented everything that we
Speaker 1: hated about hip hop, like all the fancy suits and
Speaker 1: the fancy this and the fancy that, and look how
Speaker 1: much money I got.
Speaker 4: So all of this shit.
Speaker 1: I didn't hear those Steve Stout stories until well after
Speaker 1: because at the time I didn't know the fuck Steve
Speaker 1: Stout was and didn't care. I just knew Diddy was
Speaker 1: the guy this alleged. I'd heard these stories. It was
Speaker 1: always Diddy was the guy that got Big killed. That
Speaker 1: was what that was what a lot of us knew.
Speaker 1: The other shit Nah, nah, no, which one? Which one
Speaker 1: was to Stampede.
Speaker 4: I'm trying to remember.
Speaker 2: It was a city college. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah it was. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I think that. Yeah, nine people died. That was in
Speaker 2: ninety one. That was in ninety one, that that happened.
Speaker 1: No, I don't remember that. And when he was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the thing that made me famous, It's like, God, damn,
Speaker 1: this dude was destined to be a piece of shit
Speaker 1: exactly exactly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, did Yeah, the first episode I think
Speaker 2: they you know, Nick, you mentioned Melvin COM's I think
Speaker 2: there was even a story one of the guys said
Speaker 2: about especially when he left when he got fired from
Speaker 2: Uptown because yeah, he had blew up because he had
Speaker 2: jodys E marriaging Blige. He got fired and then he
Speaker 2: was like, I'm gonna do my own thing. And then
Speaker 2: the guy said he gave him twenty five percent equity
Speaker 2: in the company and then the rest to his mom,
Speaker 2: you know, because he didn't want he didn't want the
Speaker 2: City College Stampede people to get it. That's bru, that's that.
Speaker 1: And the thing is smart though, Like that's what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Like it's always like it's like evil genius shit that
Speaker 1: he did. He always made sure that he he like
Speaker 1: he came off I mean, shit, he had so much
Speaker 1: baby or you know, his hands was soft. He came
Speaker 1: off for he like, he came off very soft. Like
Speaker 1: even with like the Sugar Knight shit, it was like
Speaker 1: sugar Knight was the devil and Puff was like the
Speaker 1: nice guy, especially what he did at the award show.
Speaker 1: But then like if you look at the literally the writing,
Speaker 1: the contracts, all that shit, he ain't paid no. Boy,
Speaker 1: that's my thing is motherfuckers was like loyal to him,
Speaker 1: not getting paid getting was it corporate thugged out of
Speaker 1: contracts or out of their own music? And shit, I'm like,
Speaker 1: how did no one speak up about this? I mean
Speaker 1: people did speak up about this because they always said
Speaker 1: bad boys. But that's what I'm saying, like, why did
Speaker 1: no one believe when it was like villages of people
Speaker 1: saying like this nigga is trash?
Speaker 2: As an executive, you couldn't it sounds crazy, you know,
Speaker 2: And some people did say, but yeah, you just really
Speaker 2: could get.
Speaker 4: But even Sugar Knight was like, I'm better than this
Speaker 4: at least.
Speaker 2: Like that is interesting because Sugar Knight, that was should
Speaker 2: Knight's point when he wanted to create Death Row East.
Speaker 2: He heard the stories and he put it out there
Speaker 2: even more publicly. And I remember that ship too. It's
Speaker 2: like you dancing in the video. It's very popular now. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So uh and then to your point, Nick, he what
Speaker 2: puff dude get up there? Because he knew that Sugar
Speaker 2: was from the streets and he wasn't. He was a
Speaker 2: dancer and intern. You know, Uh, he had everything kind
Speaker 2: of handed handed to him. But but you know, so
Speaker 2: but yeah, he he he was, he was not that guy.
Speaker 2: So he tried to present this image. Oh yeah, I
Speaker 2: want everybody blah blah blah blah blah, which wasn't true.
Speaker 2: But what's on record, what's on video is him saying
Speaker 2: something positive, whereas Sug so he looks better than sugar.
Speaker 4: Situation, Shug's the bad guy picking on Puff.
Speaker 3: Because that's when you asked me about, like what was
Speaker 3: it like for me to grow up with? Like that's
Speaker 3: what I grew up like.
Speaker 1: It was the marketing, the propaganda of the East coast,
Speaker 1: West Coast, because I was that's where the height of
Speaker 1: my youth came from.
Speaker 4: Was like witness and all that was that it was.
Speaker 1: It was like the West Coast were like the red
Speaker 1: you know, demons and whatnot, and then the East Coast
Speaker 1: were the blue angels and stuff like that. That's what
Speaker 1: it was on my at least my perspective. But then
Speaker 1: when you see all this stuff, it's like man like
Speaker 1: even even but the the again even new insights of
Speaker 1: like Shuge Night was with I'll be sure, so he
Speaker 1: was on the East Coast, he knew like everybody was
Speaker 1: closely relate, like less than it was not even six
Speaker 1: degrees of separation, it was like two. Like everybody was
Speaker 1: really involved with each other. So it's interesting to see
Speaker 1: how like certain storylines became what they were. Granted, it's
Speaker 1: New York City, so of course that's one of the
Speaker 1: big capitals of publications and at that time music industry,
Speaker 1: so you can spend shit however you want to. But
Speaker 1: it's just really really interesting to see how, like you mentioned,
Speaker 1: how powerful someone can be and how influential it is
Speaker 1: based off that.
Speaker 2: Power and a piece of ship going after everybody girls
Speaker 2: Albie Sure's girl.
Speaker 3: All the light skin niggas.
Speaker 4: Bro.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't even Mike that was that was new
Speaker 2: for me. I will say that Eric Simon story was crazy, bro.
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, Spike was that. Spike said that that did
Speaker 1: he hit Eric Sermon? And Eric Simon didn't really do anything.
Speaker 1: He just went around the corner and Diddy started playing
Speaker 1: the music and I was like, that ain't the Eric Sermon.
Speaker 1: I know, I can't see Diddy just fucking punching Eric
Speaker 1: Simon in the face and Eric Simon just don't fuck
Speaker 1: him up. But Eric Simon just said that he swung
Speaker 1: on me. That makes more sense. I could see Diddy
Speaker 1: doing that ship and then when Eric simmers like all right, bro,
Speaker 1: we about to go down the street and I'm gonna
Speaker 1: fuck you up. I can see Diddy being like, oh,
Speaker 1: well no, man, I ain't really mean it. Album Ready
Speaker 1: to Die baby the next day.
Speaker 2: And I'm ready to die.
Speaker 3: That was That was the funniest thing though.
Speaker 1: It is like, imagine you're about to feel like you
Speaker 1: about to fight somebody. Somebody plays, so I will say,
Speaker 1: hold on, bro, listen to this and it's good. That's
Speaker 1: That's how that's how much biggie is I got. He
Speaker 1: said Diddy twice.
Speaker 4: He thinks there ain't no way in hell. Eric Simmer
Speaker 4: was not a Diddy up.
Speaker 1: Hey, And everybody said it on the Dog he ain't no,
Speaker 1: he ain't no fighter whatever what you call. You would
Speaker 1: call Diddy anything you want, but he a fighter, is
Speaker 1: not one of them. So like that was a crazy story. Diddy,
Speaker 1: that's always have money because he would have gotten handled
Speaker 1: so many times in his lifetime if he didn't.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they did a good job with that, like
Speaker 2: showing him just surrounding himself with like real street dudes,
Speaker 2: you know, and using them as muscle. But yeah, every yeah,
Speaker 2: every sermon was like, yeah, we know what this guy is,
Speaker 2: but we know he ain't about that life. So taking
Speaker 2: around the corner and you know, and see what's up.
Speaker 2: But yeah, that that ship was crazy. What y'all think
Speaker 2: about Mark Curry? Mark was telling a lot of the
Speaker 2: stories too.
Speaker 1: Every time they say Mark Curry, I think of hanging
Speaker 1: with mister Cooper.
Speaker 3: See it's the hating when mister Cooper is Mark Corey.
Speaker 1: I guess because Mark Curry has been the guy who was, like,
Speaker 1: from what I've known historically, anytime you get a chance
Speaker 1: to hate on Puff or like to speak, you know,
Speaker 1: honest truth about Puff, he be the first person anybody
Speaker 1: called yeah.
Speaker 4: So he was so he was just he was just
Speaker 4: having a great time in this doc.
Speaker 1: I don't know him or I don't know anything about him,
Speaker 1: but I believe there was he said because of how
Speaker 1: the doc ended with him. Look, you don't make up
Speaker 1: some ship about a guy and then go on a
Speaker 1: big ass documentary and cry and you're a grown man.
Speaker 1: You don't do that. That shit affected him. Whatever the
Speaker 1: fuck did he was doing affected him. And then he
Speaker 1: called him a sucker ass nigga. I believed him. I
Speaker 1: believed everything he said. That man was not lying. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he wrote I think he wrote a book Dancing with
Speaker 1: the Devil or something like that a little bit ago,
Speaker 1: and that was just kind of like again expounding upon
Speaker 1: what he said in the dock. But uh, what I
Speaker 1: did find interesting is that Diddy has no talent except
Speaker 1: for his ear.
Speaker 4: Because he was saying, bro, I had to even even
Speaker 4: though at the end of the doc.
Speaker 1: Uh, the young producer was like, bro, we had to
Speaker 1: do like eight hundred takes.
Speaker 3: This right, I was like, bro.
Speaker 1: They was like, Diddy is trash like Gabbage, And granted
Speaker 1: we knew that too as fans, but.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, Like, but he's still on
Speaker 3: very classic hip.
Speaker 1: Hop records, you know, with Versus and Ship, so I
Speaker 1: guess we kind of let this slide. But like to
Speaker 1: hear that from his peers or people who are in
Speaker 1: the room, was like, okay, that says a lot.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. Mark Mark Curry was interesting because he was
Speaker 2: giving even more insight as an artist. He was like,
Speaker 2: nobody got paid, he said, did he got paid? Did
Speaker 2: would be in the videos? He would pay himself and
Speaker 2: all of those Like he was just laying it out, bro,
Speaker 2: And he was like everybody ended up leaving and you
Speaker 2: just growing up remembering all that stuff. You're like, damn
Speaker 2: like seeing the like retold him like yeah, yeah, they
Speaker 2: end up then total like he had a lot of
Speaker 2: with the mainstream bro. He had a line up and
Speaker 2: hit after hit after hit. You know. Mace was like,
Speaker 2: I don't even want to I want to do something else,
Speaker 2: was like.
Speaker 1: Mason, like again me growing up, Mace became a pastor
Speaker 1: like like that, That's what the curty said. People either
Speaker 1: end up dead in jail or with God, like you know,
Speaker 1: Like it was like it was crazy to see, like
Speaker 1: how being around this guy.
Speaker 3: Like either corrupted you.
Speaker 1: So so much so that you were going you wanted
Speaker 1: to go in a whole different direction, or either you
Speaker 1: just want to remove yourself or unfortunately other forces removed
Speaker 1: you from this life. So it was just but he
Speaker 1: was but he's he's a very interesting manipulator because he
Speaker 1: gets like what somebody messages, like, he knows how to
Speaker 1: please you, Like he knows like.
Speaker 3: He'll get you like he'll promise you fame, he'll promise you.
Speaker 1: Record deals, we promise you a chance of music industry,
Speaker 1: He'll promise you whatever. And then once he gets you in,
Speaker 1: then he makes he knows how to make you dependent
Speaker 1: on him, Like, I think the way people stick around
Speaker 1: if they weren't getting paid, they were at least in
Speaker 1: the lifestyle. So that's why the party's probably made a
Speaker 1: lot of h was heavily you know, emphasized on the hotels,
Speaker 1: the being in the studio with these bigger artists around,
Speaker 1: like it was just it's just it's like crazy.
Speaker 3: Like manipulation. I don't know how someone is able to
Speaker 3: do that.
Speaker 1: In today's sense, but like obviously, but back then, I
Speaker 1: think basically and where he came up, it's easy to
Speaker 1: see how he was able to do that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that crab Mac story was sad.
Speaker 4: Very sad.
Speaker 2: Man, What are you talking about?
Speaker 3: The one he said that he had like a water cast.
Speaker 3: She only gave him a hundred dollars.
Speaker 4: Gave one hundred dollars and broke That's disgusting, man.
Speaker 2: She was his wife said she had to borrow money
Speaker 2: from her dad. You gotta hit records, and he just
Speaker 2: hit all the money like and you just like you said,
Speaker 2: he's and what crab Mac, He couldn't do shit, But
Speaker 2: what was he gonna do about to go with sn't night?
Speaker 2: And then that's where we get into the Old East
Speaker 2: versus West Thing and and Poc and Biggie and watching
Speaker 2: this man like we heard the stories that they were friends.
Speaker 2: You know, there's a song with them together, you know,
Speaker 2: out there and just watching it, man, I was just like, man,
Speaker 2: what could have been if this guy wasn't so jealous? Yep?
Speaker 2: I mean, my god, man, man, they and just seeing
Speaker 2: them together and I don't think I've seen a video
Speaker 2: before when they were at the table and they did
Speaker 2: a little freestyle and they were laughing. Man, bro just sad.
Speaker 2: You know, what did you guys think about, Like the
Speaker 2: retelling of the whole Puff and Big story, including information
Speaker 2: from I think Keithy d talking about his his involvement
Speaker 2: with it.
Speaker 1: It just gives it just gives more of an impression
Speaker 1: that a lot of people that thought that did he
Speaker 1: had something to do with both murders were right.
Speaker 4: You know, it's pretty It's pretty clear to me.
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously I don't have an inside college, but
Speaker 1: it's pretty clear to me that did he had something
Speaker 1: to do with both of those. He did not like
Speaker 1: Pac because he thought pauc was trying to take Big,
Speaker 1: which is crazy, and then for him to kill Big.
Speaker 1: It made sense too because It's like he knew he
Speaker 1: could ride off of that grief shit forever. But there's
Speaker 1: also the illogicality of it where it's like, well, he
Speaker 1: killed his biggest cash cow. H So I could see
Speaker 1: either one, but with Pac, most definitely, most fucking definitely
Speaker 1: he has something to do with it, and that's that's
Speaker 1: just that's just a shame, man. And you could tell
Speaker 1: he was lying when they asked him on fucking that
Speaker 1: little interview where they were like, did you have anything
Speaker 1: to do with PAC's death?
Speaker 4: You could tell he was lying. Shit, That shit was crazy.
Speaker 4: I'm like, who did you think believe that?
Speaker 1: And then they asked him another question like do you
Speaker 1: know do you have anything or do you know anything
Speaker 1: about Biggs murder? Like who possibly could have murdered Biggie?
Speaker 1: And he kind of gave a similar energy answer with that.
Speaker 1: For me, it was just.
Speaker 3: Like Wow, hearing it told in this way.
Speaker 1: Was just like one, like you said, Cam, like we
Speaker 1: could have probably got a Tupac big album something like
Speaker 1: based off how the chemistry and the friendship that I
Speaker 1: was brewing. It seemed like they were really going to
Speaker 1: make some like a really big impact in hip hop
Speaker 1: that you know, they already have, of course as individuals,
Speaker 1: but together it could have been something crazy. And the
Speaker 1: like you mentioned, Mike, the jealousy, like to me, like
Speaker 1: it makes sense for me. When you were just saying it,
Speaker 1: it was like, it makes sense for him to kill
Speaker 1: Big if he's someone who doesn't really think that far ahead. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like it's an emotional thing
Speaker 1: where it's like I see myself at the top, Like
Speaker 1: I have all this talent that I've groomed, that I've grown,
Speaker 1: like that I've I've polished and made better. How come
Speaker 1: I'm not like that? How come I can't be out
Speaker 1: of that? And if everybody's giving Biggie to shine, I
Speaker 1: got to remove him, And like you mentioned, removing him
Speaker 1: will help me boost my that's the you know, stool
Speaker 1: to my platform. So it was just and but even
Speaker 1: then that logic, it's just crazy and the Keifi d shit.
Speaker 1: I didn't even know how recent that interview was, but
Speaker 1: like the way he detailed out like what happened, I'm like.
Speaker 3: That's easily believable.
Speaker 4: M Like that, that's easily believable.
Speaker 2: And then making Big pay for his own funeral was insane.
Speaker 2: If that's true, and then you know, yeah, I.
Speaker 1: Was gonna say, but I've also known for years that
Speaker 1: Bigg's family has said that he don't really help him
Speaker 1: out or like he like financially, Like, yeah, they take
Speaker 1: photo options together and shit, but like, I don't, like
Speaker 1: you would think that if biggs kids were well.
Speaker 3: Taken care of, we would have seen it.
Speaker 1: But I feel like they live very ordinary lives outside
Speaker 1: the fact of all, my dad or my granddad, you know,
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Speaker 2: In real time I didn't see the pattern until they
Speaker 2: set of him getting more popular with each dev until
Speaker 2: they said it in the documentary and they showed it
Speaker 2: to us and told it to us. I was like, shit,
Speaker 2: you just one thing, said Mike, Like logically it didn't
Speaker 2: make sense, but somehow it worked. This guy became huge,
Speaker 2: shit made no fucking sense and just went and found
Speaker 2: more acts, went and got made. He went and got
Speaker 2: all these other people and just continue to blow up
Speaker 2: after losing Big it's and.
Speaker 4: Dancing throughout the whole thing. Can that's my thing?
Speaker 1: Literally dancing on beings great When he came out in
Speaker 1: that video with Sting, was that Sting s.
Speaker 2: Bro.
Speaker 3: I remember watching that.
Speaker 1: I remember watching because everybody was sad with Big Guy,
Speaker 1: and I remember watching that and that was like a
Speaker 1: very emotion.
Speaker 3: But again, to see it twenty twenty high.
Speaker 1: Sided, like, bru, that's one of the biggest slap in
Speaker 1: the faces you can make to someone you can see
Speaker 1: your best friend. Yeah, yeah, none of us thought about
Speaker 1: that at the time, but we look at it now
Speaker 1: it's like this is this is fucking insane, fucking insane.
Speaker 4: And I don't.
Speaker 1: Remember who said it, but somebody on the dock kind
Speaker 1: of implied, like, yeah, that whole ship was planned out.
Speaker 1: The second that he died. It was like, oh, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna fucking bank off this, and he did. But the
Speaker 1: fact that he banked off of it with the worst
Speaker 1: music ever fucking made.
Speaker 4: Like I. I have a really hard.
Speaker 1: Time when people are like, yeah, man, I fucked with
Speaker 1: that that Diddy album, It's.
Speaker 4: Like, how is that possible? Yeah, I understand it was
Speaker 4: a popular album.
Speaker 5: I get it, and you're like, man with hip hop
Speaker 5: and you're like, yeah, that Diddy album was was dope.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't. I don't understand. You must be
Speaker 1: a serial killer or something that something is wrong with you.
Speaker 1: It's the It's some of the worst music I've ever
Speaker 1: heard come out of wrap. Oh No, he got, he
Speaker 1: got I've Been Missing You, which was obviously the single,
Speaker 1: and then all about the Benjamin's terrible, but those whole
Speaker 1: song you know what, Yeah, his part is horrible, but
Speaker 1: those are like big records.
Speaker 6: Nothing No that ships Tray Bro like again, he was
Speaker 6: he was.
Speaker 1: He was the representation of everything I hated about rap,
Speaker 1: And when that album came out, it was like, oh,
Speaker 1: you're just happily solidifying and bragging about the fact that
Speaker 1: you are one of the worst elements of hip hop.
Speaker 1: You make the shittiest music. Everybody fucking hates you because
Speaker 1: you don't pay them. And now you're like glamorizing the
Speaker 1: fact that you can't fucking rap when when I guess
Speaker 1: his name is Mark Curry, right, because since y'all told
Speaker 1: me Mark Hurry was like, yeah, man, I would write
Speaker 1: the raps and he going there and he fucking he
Speaker 1: performed them, and he'd be like, that's not what I said,
Speaker 1: and that's not how I told you to do it.
Speaker 1: Do that ship again. And it's like, bro, you were
Speaker 1: in there telling him to do it again, and this
Speaker 1: final result is what y'all.
Speaker 4: Best to do. He had no business anywhere near a
Speaker 4: fucking microphone.
Speaker 2: Man, that's he don't I don't disagree, but he got
Speaker 2: some joints on that No.
Speaker 4: Way I knew.
Speaker 2: I never like that. I've never denied not liking that album.
Speaker 2: You know, bro, it's it's not him, it's he got
Speaker 2: some He got a lot.
Speaker 4: Of people doing that.
Speaker 1: He's he's great at directing, Like when they talk about
Speaker 1: producing a track or producing an album, he's really great
Speaker 1: at that. And it goes to show from the other
Speaker 1: acts that we talked about, but like but again you
Speaker 1: you it's like we It's like we should have seen
Speaker 1: that this wolf was in Sheep's clothing the whole time.
Speaker 3: Like because like even with the music, like.
Speaker 1: You said, everybody else is good but him, Like you
Speaker 1: can and you can say that about it almost you
Speaker 1: go to the music, go to the reality of it
Speaker 1: as a businessman when it comes to him and how
Speaker 1: you deal with artists, like everything is like everybody's good,
Speaker 1: but you you are the the worst thing about everything.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you just tolerated and then and then but yeah,
Speaker 2: I think it was interesting for them to say that
Speaker 2: Mike and then say yeah, when they had a chance
Speaker 2: to put Big on, I forgot the cover and yeah
Speaker 2: he gonna call it there and was like, nah, I
Speaker 2: need to my album.
Speaker 4: Like what that sounds about, right?
Speaker 1: They said they said Big was about to do a
Speaker 1: European press tour and I think that was around the
Speaker 1: same time he was about he got shot, and both
Speaker 1: was like, nah, he he ain't about to do that.
Speaker 1: I'm like, imagine how big big er Biggie would have
Speaker 1: gotten if he would have done that or at that
Speaker 1: time when he had everybody listening to him like, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think I think Mike, he I think he wanted
Speaker 1: to take him out because he's like, bro, this guy,
Speaker 1: it's like the he's a shooting star and I don't.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna be able to be on that those
Speaker 1: coattails for long because he's gonna realize how big he
Speaker 1: is out no pun intended outside of me.
Speaker 2: And he was gonna leave. He was gonna leave.
Speaker 1: Ye. Yeah, story too, Yeah, if I remember correctly, the
Speaker 1: story was Biggie wanted to go to Europe and instead
Speaker 1: Puff bade him go to California stay.
Speaker 3: Yeah, stay in La.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and knowing that he had gotten multiple death threats. Now,
Speaker 1: of course he's not here to defend himself. But the
Speaker 1: question I would have is, why the fuck did you
Speaker 1: let Puff make you do something that stupid? Why did
Speaker 1: you think you're gonna be safe in an area that
Speaker 1: I hated you? But then again, Mike, again, he's young.
Speaker 1: He's only what twenty five, twenty six? Like these are
Speaker 1: again these are all still young kids essentially, Yeah, like
Speaker 1: and and then and then Puff is like everything he
Speaker 1: touches turns the gold. At this point, especially with your
Speaker 1: own career, so I got to listen to him, and
Speaker 1: based on the.
Speaker 3: Contracts, he might be like, my money's tied to this
Speaker 3: ship too. If he if he upset that fucked everything up.
Speaker 1: He is just the right people around him, unfortunately, because
Speaker 1: somebody should have been like, bro, you're not doing this.
Speaker 1: You are not going to California right now. They're going
Speaker 1: to try.
Speaker 2: To kill you. And they were, they were telling him that,
Speaker 2: but yeah, they were telling them like they don't play
Speaker 2: like one I forgot who said it was, like, Bro,
Speaker 2: like they don't they get they get down in Cali,
Speaker 2: Like you don't want to really do it?
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you don't.
Speaker 2: Want to do that. Yeah, so but yeah, no, it
Speaker 2: was It was interesting. I remember, yeah, just just living
Speaker 2: through that moment and then you know, having the last
Speaker 2: story was about did he going into making him sign
Speaker 2: over the last twenty of his stock? I think that
Speaker 2: was I think that was early on though. I think
Speaker 2: that was to get the financing for bad Boy. Yeah yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: but that was crazy. But anyway, and then he left
Speaker 2: him broke homeless, Yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, or if it's that baseball bat had been
Speaker 1: in before he brought it up in there, you know,
Speaker 1: It's one thing to get beat with a baseball bat.
Speaker 1: You get beat with a baseball bat with some you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, some booty juice on it that
Speaker 1: makes it's.
Speaker 4: Like that that Nagan back with the fucking booty juice
Speaker 4: that it might stick to your face.
Speaker 1: It's one thing to get your ass whooped. You get
Speaker 1: your ass whooped, and you spell like you afterwards? Yo
Speaker 1: do bruh, Ain't no fucking way. I'm like, hey, take
Speaker 1: the twenty five percent, bro, I don't need it back.
Speaker 2: I'm surprised he still didn't get the money, though. I
Speaker 2: think when you anyway, I wanted to look into that
Speaker 2: because I'm like, wait a minute, Like when you sell
Speaker 2: your stop, that's a cash transaction. How did you not
Speaker 2: get that immediately?
Speaker 3: But you heard you heard that?
Speaker 2: Go ahead?
Speaker 4: Nick?
Speaker 3: I was gonna say, you heard that bullshit?
Speaker 2: Loune.
Speaker 4: Did he say He's I'm gonna take it, but I'm
Speaker 4: gonna give it right back? Like what?
Speaker 3: That's probably why he ain't getting no cash out.
Speaker 1: Of fight, because did he sit on your sign over
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna pay you right back? That's exactly what
Speaker 1: I was gonna say. He probably never gave him the money.
Speaker 1: He probably told him, I'm gonna hit you back later,
Speaker 1: and he never did.
Speaker 2: The last two episodes, you know, most of the stuff
Speaker 2: we kind of knew. They gave us a little bit more.
Speaker 2: They gave us more backstory on the whole Cassie thing,
Speaker 2: nineteen dating Ryan Leslie, kicking Ryan Leslie out the studio.
Speaker 1: Basically, hey, Ken, his his hatred for light.
Speaker 4: Skinned niggas was crazy.
Speaker 1: He's the Alvi Shore girl at the height of Alvi
Speaker 1: Shore's career.
Speaker 3: Ryan, I remember the whole Ryland Leslie situation. I don't
Speaker 3: know why, but I remember the whole Ryan.
Speaker 1: Leaves situation because that was his girl and he was
Speaker 1: the one that kind of he got her popping and everything,
Speaker 1: and Diddy was like, nah, bro, she remain that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then Ryan Leslie kind of just went away. It
Speaker 1: was a weird like thing because he still had a
Speaker 1: he was a really good producer and everything, especially for
Speaker 1: R and B, the R and B genre. I don't
Speaker 1: yeah that so that brought up some memories. But yeah,
Speaker 1: that Cassie ship is like the Ken Porter Cashi ship
Speaker 1: was crazy.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, she just had to sit there and just
Speaker 2: just take it, like but you can see she was miserable.
Speaker 1: That's crazy you sending you sending your side piece to
Speaker 1: the store while your main comes through, and then when
Speaker 1: your main leaves, you're bringing the side piece back. That's
Speaker 1: insane work. And everybody round know that that's what's happening. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because like, oh, we knew Kim was the wife and
Speaker 1: Cassie was the wife. He even drug dealers, you know,
Speaker 1: they necessary, And I'm like, I get it. But at
Speaker 1: the same time, we this is different levels to this ship,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like, my thing is they
Speaker 1: all knew that he was beating up on her. That's
Speaker 1: the part that I can't I mean, I can't respect
Speaker 1: any of it. But the whole cheating ship, Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: fucked up, and that's.
Speaker 4: Kind of y'all's thing.
Speaker 1: But like, y'all all knew that he was beating the
Speaker 1: ship out that girl behind closed doors, and y'all didn't
Speaker 1: do a fucking thing.
Speaker 4: That's wild.
Speaker 1: Even even the man who the prostitute was like, did
Speaker 1: he kick the ship at her? And I was like, damn,
Speaker 1: why are you doing that? He looked at him like, bro,
Speaker 1: you ain't about to do a damn thing. Yeah, because
Speaker 1: he's with a hard fight like that.
Speaker 2: That black story, bro.
Speaker 1: Imagine did he try to disguise himself, went with a
Speaker 1: cash sweater.
Speaker 3: And he tried to Southern not have me dying that.
Speaker 4: Probably never heard before. He was trying to sound Southern crazy.
Speaker 3: He tried to do a Kevin Spacey Southern accident.
Speaker 2: He t like, it wasn't me. Did the didn't that
Speaker 2: guy look like Sterling K. Brown?
Speaker 4: Then he did look like Randall a freaking random.
Speaker 1: He looked like he looked like Leroy from Welcome to Derry.
Speaker 1: Jesus hey bro, when he said we was sucking for
Speaker 1: two days straight and he was like, how.
Speaker 4: Y'all doing this? And they was They was just giving
Speaker 4: them all kinds of drugs.
Speaker 1: Like have the recipe, but I would I would take
Speaker 1: my coum, and you know, he's been doing it for
Speaker 1: months and finally I was like, what you're doing with
Speaker 1: my cum And he's like, yeah, man, I like to
Speaker 1: watch your drink it or whatever the fuck he said.
Speaker 3: And then he shrugged it off and he was like, okay,
Speaker 3: whatever you like to do it?
Speaker 4: All right? What like what.
Speaker 1: He was keeping your comb in a tumberware and you're like,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, that's normal that he just brings down, makes
Speaker 1: her drink it. What what I get that you get
Speaker 1: paid for these services?
Speaker 3: But like if someone's putting your nut in a sippy cup, bro, like.
Speaker 1: Real, for real, that's great you And it was only
Speaker 1: paying on what six bands?
Speaker 4: I'm like, I don't remember, I remember?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah I was.
Speaker 1: I was expecting like a ridiculous amount because he's in
Speaker 1: eight years, Mike.
Speaker 2: Eight years, that's what he said, no years.
Speaker 1: But every time he got every transaction was you wouldn't
Speaker 1: fuck Cassie for six grand.
Speaker 4: Listen, you ain't gotta pay me that much to fuck Cassie.
Speaker 2: But my thing is the ship.
Speaker 3: It's the other ship because Diddy's in the room the
Speaker 3: whole time.
Speaker 4: Yeah, with that thing, you can.
Speaker 1: Have my you can have it all Diddy for six grand. Yeah,
Speaker 1: give me the little cup.
Speaker 4: There you go. What you do with this? I don't
Speaker 4: need it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 4: I don't care about your silent pause. I don't give
Speaker 4: a fu No, I'm just saying but because.
Speaker 1: Because then he said he was like at first, you know,
Speaker 1: the first few times, did he wasn't in the fault?
Speaker 7: Did he? That's what I'm like, all right, bro, he
Speaker 7: ain't worth it because you could tell he down played what.
Speaker 1: Involved because he was just like, yeah, sometimes it was
Speaker 1: I would have her.
Speaker 3: She would ever then you.
Speaker 4: Know, like god, we don't.
Speaker 1: At least he got that same that he had Batman
Speaker 1: was hey, mane like y'all laughing at No, that's not.
Speaker 4: That.
Speaker 1: That's when when when the when the whole came on,
Speaker 1: I was like, bro, this whole documentary could have just
Speaker 1: been him. Bro, they say, they say, I'm like you say,
Speaker 1: Man for the head. He could have told a bunch
Speaker 1: of stories. I really feel terrible for Cassie though, because
Speaker 1: I don't know what was going on in her mind,
Speaker 1: and I know that the jurors were trying to spend
Speaker 1: it like, well she was involved and all that.
Speaker 4: I just don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't I mean, yeah, I'm sure
Speaker 1: she was involved, but I'm just not positive about how
Speaker 1: much of that ship was consensual. Like, I just don't
Speaker 1: really believe that she was consensually involved because she was
Speaker 1: like when she said he met her when she was
Speaker 1: like when nineteen or something like that. And the city
Speaker 1: she comes, like New London, Connecticut is not that far
Speaker 1: from where I'm at, and this is like small town
Speaker 1: shit areas.
Speaker 3: It's not like granted again, like I said, it's still like.
Speaker 1: A half an hour and a half two hour train
Speaker 1: ride to the city, but that's still a good distance
Speaker 1: to have a different lifestyle. So going for her from
Speaker 1: going from that, let alone, Ryan Leslie, going from that
Speaker 1: to Diddy in like maybe a three years timespan, Like
Speaker 1: that's a whole If he's able to manipulate grown folks,
Speaker 1: what do you think he doing to a teenage essentially
Speaker 1: a teenager or a young adult. Like it was just
Speaker 1: like I like, like you said, Mike, especially when you
Speaker 1: see that video of her trying to leave from that hotel.
Speaker 1: She was she was you could tell she was tiptone,
Speaker 1: trying not to make a step.
Speaker 4: And then that video was just that was disgusting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Diddy went from episode one not doing drugs,
Speaker 2: drinking anything to just taking everything pink this lacing the
Speaker 2: baby oil with g or whatever they would call it,
Speaker 2: just all kind of ship bro. He was, he was,
Speaker 2: he was on one. But yeah, I was wondering the
Speaker 2: same thing by like how much of this was consensual?
Speaker 2: I was just like, you know, just wondering for eight years,
Speaker 2: like her being possibly forced to do those things against
Speaker 2: their wishes. You know that that has to be a
Speaker 2: horrible experience for her to go through. But yeah, but yeah,
Speaker 2: that was a that was interesting and they got one
Speaker 2: lines that Frank Black and then episode four, you know,
Speaker 2: it's kind of like where they just kind of conclude things.
Speaker 2: I think we get the Kid Cutty story. That's when
Speaker 2: what's Clark? She had an interesting first name came through.
Speaker 2: Now her last name was Clark. She told the story
Speaker 2: of kid Cuddy, how she was kidnapped to go commit
Speaker 2: a murder because Cuddy went hiking.
Speaker 4: Oh cut hiking with Cassie and Diddy got mad?
Speaker 2: Mm hmm man.
Speaker 1: Yeah, how Cutty got involved with this ship is it's
Speaker 1: just crazy, Like, Bro, he ain't know what the that's
Speaker 1: some movie ship.
Speaker 4: Bro, somebody throwing a bomb on your car.
Speaker 1: I feel bad for him because he just thought, Oh,
Speaker 1: I got this fine ass woman that wants to hang
Speaker 1: out with me and she wants to go camping.
Speaker 4: This sounds cool. And here come Diddy knocking on your window.
Speaker 4: What that's crazy?
Speaker 3: And he you know Cutty from Cleveland, Bro, he a
Speaker 3: neighborhood nigga.
Speaker 1: This's all this ship is like otherworldly to him to
Speaker 1: deal with that kind of ship, like, man, you ain't
Speaker 1: seen no mess with You ain't seeing mess with a
Speaker 1: superstar lady. Since degla women for him these days, he
Speaker 1: wants a regular fucking librarian type hick.
Speaker 2: And he just and his life was probably spare because
Speaker 2: he was with Oh girl, imagine if he was there.
Speaker 2: And then they told another story. I think the producer
Speaker 2: that did the Love album, which actually actually now we
Speaker 2: know why the album was good, because that guy did
Speaker 2: the whole damn album. Uh it sounded good. But yeah,
Speaker 2: he sold the story about how they went in the
Speaker 2: bathroom and shot somebody.
Speaker 1: That's the thing I didn't know about. I had never
Speaker 1: heard that story. You and your son go in the
Speaker 1: room and y'all shoot somebody like that and just walk
Speaker 1: out and nothing happens.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what the fuck?
Speaker 4: That's crazy.
Speaker 3: I'm calm telling fuck that.
Speaker 4: That's the thing. Like one of me is like these
Speaker 4: niggas who raised.
Speaker 1: Y'all because I swell they made me. It made me
Speaker 1: realize I was so glad for the parents in the community.
Speaker 1: I was born in.
Speaker 3: Bruh.
Speaker 1: I am foreign to whatever lifestyle codes they dealing with
Speaker 1: it because I would have been like nigga. No, I'm like,
Speaker 1: officer is him. I'm there, and I'm glad to be
Speaker 1: a square. I see you guys go in the room
Speaker 1: and y'all leave, and the motherfucker on the ground bleeding.
Speaker 1: I'm way to y'all in your car and you're driving away,
Speaker 1: and I'm telling telling his name is Puff, Daddy of
Speaker 1: Love Diddy and his little son. That kind of looked
Speaker 1: like fucking Corey Gunns. That's him right there. He's the
Speaker 1: one that fucking did it get him too?
Speaker 4: That's insane. We just heard guns what.
Speaker 2: And he said he just kept playing, He just kept
Speaker 2: he just kept doing music.
Speaker 4: He kept making music. He said he thought he hit
Speaker 4: a button on the keyboard.
Speaker 1: Lying make everybody, oh, why that happened?
Speaker 4: You're lying, Mike. That was That was the fucked up
Speaker 4: thing about this doc.
Speaker 1: It's like everybody had They was quick to say shit
Speaker 1: about Diddy, but they had their little goofball excuses for
Speaker 1: why they didn't say shit, like not the victims, but
Speaker 1: like everybody, like all the men. Basically what I'm saying
Speaker 1: that we're around it, and I'm like, bro, what are
Speaker 1: y'all saying? Because y'all suckers, and y'all want to make
Speaker 1: excuses for being suckers, like, oh, yeah, I was just
Speaker 1: making my song man, and next thing I know, I
Speaker 1: heard a gunsh Let me tell you something right now,
Speaker 1: everybody knows that gunshot sound on a keyboard. It doesn't
Speaker 1: sound like a gunshot for real. Anybody that's ever heard
Speaker 1: a real gunshot, you know the fucking difference. So there's
Speaker 1: no way I believe that story a little Rod. I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: I hate what you went through, and I hope you
Speaker 1: are getting the help you need, therapy all that, but
Speaker 1: I do not believe that you thought you accidentally hit
Speaker 1: a button on your keyboard.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Yeah, he had a interesting, interesting story. But
Speaker 2: you know the thing about Rod, as we get ready
Speaker 2: to kind of close as a girl to close out,
Speaker 2: is that little Rod in the documentary not right? Right?
Speaker 2: But damn Nick. At this point, Mike, everybody knows the
Speaker 2: stories are out there, and he still made the choice
Speaker 2: to go work for him, knowing that you may not
Speaker 2: get paid, and it probably may be some other other
Speaker 2: stuff going on the industry talks, and everybody knew at
Speaker 2: this point. Rod didn't know until he was waking up,
Speaker 2: and Diddy was next to him.
Speaker 4: You mean this isn't real about why he won't go
Speaker 4: to like what was it? What was it?
Speaker 1: Gladys some weapons? But what he pulled the blanket back
Speaker 1: and see you're telling me now, Bro, you're telling me, yeah,
Speaker 1: ain't no sucking way.
Speaker 4: You just know, Bro, I'm not waking up and Diddy's
Speaker 4: in my bed. No, No, we're not going. Bro, We're
Speaker 4: not going. God, somebody got to die.
Speaker 2: Ain't all for twenty nine thousand dollars? He said? After
Speaker 2: all that, Bro.
Speaker 4: You can do that. You can work at Burger King
Speaker 4: and get that.
Speaker 1: Bro.
Speaker 4: It ain't bro, My sax still got paid.
Speaker 2: This man was making three to five hundred million dollars
Speaker 2: off of merch off of Sean John clothing, and he
Speaker 2: could give it twenty nine thousand dollars. He had nine
Speaker 2: thousand in his fanny pack.
Speaker 1: Wait, why that little why that little far because he
Speaker 1: had them up that.
Speaker 4: I don't know why it does that sometimes do that Like.
Speaker 1: I'm about to drop some some real mar sam My
Speaker 1: thing though, is like to your point, can even the
Speaker 1: the Diddy Dirty Money era? No, not that there, but
Speaker 1: like the when they went through the whole MTV making
Speaker 1: the band stuff.
Speaker 3: Remember one of them said, I went, he.
Speaker 1: Gave him all contracts and said you got twenty four
Speaker 1: hours to read over this and sign it or else
Speaker 1: type shit. The lawyer is that she wanted to do.
Speaker 1: He literally said, listen, I'm gonna tell you this right now.
Speaker 1: He is selling you fame, not fortune.
Speaker 4: Yep.
Speaker 3: And she was like, and I signed a contract that.
Speaker 3: I'm like, what, they'll.
Speaker 4: Still make it. I mean, I get how that happens,
Speaker 4: especially if.
Speaker 1: You're young, you're poor, you come from a certain neighborhood,
Speaker 1: and you don't really have a system behind you. Because
Speaker 1: I was with you, Nick, I was like, why the
Speaker 1: fuck did you sign that ship?
Speaker 4: And then I thought about it. I'm like, I get it.
Speaker 1: If you call from the hood, I get why you'd
Speaker 1: be like, hey man, I'm just trying to get out
Speaker 1: the hood.
Speaker 4: I get that mic.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, if someone's telling you you're
Speaker 1: literally not going to get paid, it kind of takes
Speaker 1: away the you're young, you know that, because it's like,
Speaker 1: I'm really telling you as much as your lawyer. It's
Speaker 1: not even like his lawyer or whatever, some goofball off
Speaker 1: the street. He's whoever was representing you and saying, bruh,
Speaker 1: this ain't eight. I get you, yeah, but I'll sigre
Speaker 1: it's predatory and those kind of those kind of people
Speaker 1: know who to do that shit to, like those label people.
Speaker 1: They know who to fuck over with three sixty deals,
Speaker 1: they know who to take advantage of. So I get
Speaker 1: how all those people from making the band because nobody
Speaker 1: knew any of them. Ne's was the only one that
Speaker 1: I believe had a little bit of buzz going around
Speaker 1: because he was a battle rapper unless I'm messed up
Speaker 1: the timeline, but either way, nobody knew them, so I
Speaker 1: see why they'd be like, shit, we got an MTV
Speaker 1: show and Diddy even though this contract says He's not
Speaker 1: gonna give us no money. I'm gonna be famous, so
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get money and just where you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. So I know what happens, but I'm with you, Nick.
Speaker 1: It's sad that these motherfuckers really thought that shit was
Speaker 1: gonna be different for them. And then on top of that,
Speaker 1: the again growing up, I remember the making the band
Speaker 1: stuff and him telling them to go walk to from Manhattan.
Speaker 3: Bro, Bro, Mike, I think you lived You've lived out
Speaker 3: in New York but everybody. I think y'all all been
Speaker 3: to New York.
Speaker 4: Manhattan to Brooklyn is not up the strump. You can't
Speaker 4: do that.
Speaker 1: It's especially at night at that I don't know what
Speaker 1: what season it was, but in New York once they
Speaker 1: hit win the time, that shit is crazy.
Speaker 3: You're not walking that. Even though girls said that, she
Speaker 3: was like, I'm from here, I don't.
Speaker 1: Sh I've never believed that story, and I still don't.
Speaker 1: I don't think that happened. I don't because I don't
Speaker 1: think it's physically possible for a motherfucker to walk from
Speaker 1: Brooklyn to Manhattan at night. So I thought that was
Speaker 1: just dumped up for the show or something, because there
Speaker 1: ain't no fucking way.
Speaker 4: Bro.
Speaker 2: It seemed like they.
Speaker 4: I don't think they did it for some cheesecake.
Speaker 2: How bad do you want it?
Speaker 4: Because ordered because ordered it happily.
Speaker 3: He was like the apple.
Speaker 4: So Nick.
Speaker 1: So it says that you could walk from Brooklyn Manhattan
Speaker 1: in about three hours. For some reason, I thought it
Speaker 1: was further than that. No, No, I'm just saying I
Speaker 1: knew it wasn't. It's not like a day long trip.
Speaker 1: It's not walking state to state. But New York is
Speaker 1: not a small city. The Burroughs are very spread out,
Speaker 1: So even attempting to make that walks like unless my
Speaker 1: child or my mom is like sick and whatever.
Speaker 3: I'm not even considering it. And that's even just to
Speaker 3: take the train.
Speaker 4: Most things.
Speaker 3: Don't even take the train out there.
Speaker 1: To walk for some cheesecake for Diddy. Hell no, I'm
Speaker 1: even to show that that. After that sentence, he says,
Speaker 1: I'm off the show.
Speaker 2: I'm gone.
Speaker 4: Bab wasn't going nowhere, Nick, she didn't have no other options.
Speaker 4: Bavs wasn't going no.
Speaker 3: She like she was side of still happy and excited retailers.
Speaker 4: And I feel her, I do. I get it.
Speaker 1: It's like you don't have options, you don't have she
Speaker 1: knows that if it wasn't for this show that kind
Speaker 1: of made me look like a fool, maybe I wouldn't
Speaker 1: be where I'm at. Maybe she got opportunities from that.
Speaker 1: I'm sure they all did. I'm sure Nests wouldn't have
Speaker 1: been anywhere near as big of a battle rapper as
Speaker 1: he got to be if it wasn't for that show.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm thinking. I could be totally wrong, but
Speaker 1: I don't know, man, I get it.
Speaker 4: I get it. It sucks though.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Last couple of things, just a couple of notes.
Speaker 2: Uh oh, I don't know. Yeah, I'm sorry.
Speaker 4: One last thing.
Speaker 1: Diddy fucked up when he thought he could do that
Speaker 1: shit to the white girl. Now, when he was doing
Speaker 1: that shit to all these poor black folks.
Speaker 4: I got how he thought he can get away with it.
Speaker 4: But I was like, I don't know.
Speaker 1: Anything about this Audrey girl. She don't look like she's
Speaker 1: from the hood, bro. She looks like she got you know,
Speaker 1: she got an uncle or a cousin that's in law enforcement.
Speaker 4: So I don't know why.
Speaker 1: The fuck did he thought he was He thought he
Speaker 1: was so powerful he could take to white people. You
Speaker 1: remember the email he sent to her now, But if
Speaker 1: you don't want to, I'm gonna go back.
Speaker 3: Like it was a kid like it was the way
Speaker 3: he had an email.
Speaker 1: He was like, God, bless God.
Speaker 4: Put God first. I'm like, you just said.
Speaker 2: You want.
Speaker 4: What is.
Speaker 3: Say with that?
Speaker 4: She said, he emailed her dictics.
Speaker 3: I'm like, and his signature is God bless bruh.
Speaker 1: And the saddest thing this is the part that really
Speaker 1: was just like God, I wish I had to watch
Speaker 1: this When she said that she didn't even know she
Speaker 1: was assaulted, and she said somebody else either had a
Speaker 1: picture or a video or something and she had no idea.
Speaker 1: She's like, I don't even remember that. This dude, Diddy
Speaker 1: is a fucking monster, a monster.
Speaker 2: That poor girl.
Speaker 4: Man, God damn that poor girl. Yep, all these poor people,
Speaker 4: not just her.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the hand sanitized thing was crazy.
Speaker 4: I don't think that's crazy. I would be on that one, y'all.
Speaker 4: I don't think that's crazy.
Speaker 1: If I'm tapping up thirty people, I'm gonna need sanitize her.
Speaker 2: I guess you can logically make that makes sense.
Speaker 1: When he said in the cards, like y'all just hould
Speaker 1: like one hundred fifty people I need to take He
Speaker 1: said that basketball I gotta be hot. Hey kid, I've
Speaker 1: been out here in New York. You yeah, you hugged
Speaker 1: five six niggas.
Speaker 4: You like, I gotta go take her, all right?
Speaker 2: So I don't know if I believe, and well, I
Speaker 2: don't know the way he was taking drugs. When guy
Speaker 2: said he was trying to get somebody to scene like
Speaker 2: Michael Jackson finally got, he said he don't. He danced
Speaker 2: four hours to that one song.
Speaker 4: That did he did. I believe that.
Speaker 3: I believe bro Ken. He danced them.
Speaker 4: He danced the majority of his knock. Yeah, okay, you've
Speaker 4: ever been to a raid.
Speaker 1: Those motherfuckers dance for twelve fucking hours, and I can
Speaker 1: tell you from personal experience it's crazy and they're all
Speaker 1: on drugs.
Speaker 4: So that ship I believe.
Speaker 2: And the last thing I think burrows because he basically
Speaker 2: told the whole damn shit like he was the lead guy.
Speaker 2: But they saved this one to the end when he
Speaker 2: was like, he said that did he did some sexually
Speaker 2: deviant stuff? It's his words to him. Oh that was sad. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: he didn't. He didn't not go into any detail. You know,
Speaker 2: he had that pause and he was just like, yeah,
Speaker 2: sexual deviant stuff and he just left it at that.
Speaker 2: And then I think he was alluded to he had
Speaker 2: been homeless and broke. I mean, you built this thing up,
Speaker 2: bro twenty five percent. He just can't take it and
Speaker 2: then you just get fired and then you just on
Speaker 2: the streets, which was you.
Speaker 3: Know, to see then to see the heights that it
Speaker 3: went to, you know.
Speaker 4: Like, man, yeah, that was that was awful.
Speaker 1: The fact that, like you said, can he didn't even
Speaker 1: want to say what happened. He didn't even want to
Speaker 1: go into detail. He's like sexually deviant stuff. That's all
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say. I was like, man, that that dude's
Speaker 1: been through some ship. That dude is definitely ship some.
Speaker 2: Stuff, all right, Well, any final thoughts, he didn't.
Speaker 4: I mean, it just sucks that he wasn't on trial
Speaker 4: for domestic violence. That's that's the part that sucks.
Speaker 1: It sucks that he was only on trial for the
Speaker 1: ship that the prosecutors knew they couldn't even fucking prove.
Speaker 4: That's the part that I hate because Diddy should be.
Speaker 1: Even as someone that doesn't like jail, Diddy should be
Speaker 1: in jail. Bro, Diddy should be in jail getting his
Speaker 1: see I can't even say his ass, well, but you know,
Speaker 1: getting beat down every day every day, just beating the
Speaker 1: ship out of him because that he is a fucking
Speaker 1: disgusting human.
Speaker 4: And anybody that's still defending him, I just don't understand, y'all.
Speaker 4: I really don't.
Speaker 2: I thought that was interesting at the end, the idolization
Speaker 2: that they had, you know, the comments about losing kings
Speaker 2: and you know, and the guy was like, Bro, they
Speaker 2: never did anything for you.
Speaker 4: Nothing.
Speaker 2: Diddy has done nothing for you. He didn't do ship
Speaker 2: for the people that were make that made him money exactly.
Speaker 1: The only way I rationalized that because like you said earlier, Mike,
Speaker 1: I'm never gonna really I'm not gonna return to this doc.
Speaker 3: So those are my last thoughts on the doc.
Speaker 1: But for the defend people defending him, the only way
Speaker 1: I can justify it or say anything to it is
Speaker 1: that they've like they've grown up with this man, his music,
Speaker 1: his you know, his influence, and they feel like it's
Speaker 1: a you know how black people are, Like if it's
Speaker 1: only a few of us, like re certain heights, we
Speaker 1: feel like they're a part of our family or they're
Speaker 1: a part of.
Speaker 3: Our like story as well.
Speaker 1: So like if that's getting taken down, then that's a
Speaker 1: part of my memories in my childhood that's getting taken down.
Speaker 1: And like you know what I'm saying, Like people attach
Speaker 1: themselves to a certain At this point, he was an
Speaker 1: entity because you didn't know him as a person. Like
Speaker 1: it's just like you get attached to that, and you like,
Speaker 1: I got to defend it because that's a part of me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I think that those people need therapy too, very badly.
Speaker 1: If you if you have that level of a parasocial
Speaker 1: relationship or idol worship, then you need to you need
Speaker 1: to seek help because these people have never done anything
Speaker 1: for you. And I got abusers in my family that
Speaker 1: I've cut off, So if I can cut my own
Speaker 1: actual family off, I can certainly cut off this fake
Speaker 1: family because Denny's not gonna ever. Look, he don't even
Speaker 1: loan his friend's money, So Denny's never gonna loan me money.
Speaker 1: So what benefit does anybody have to defend someone that's
Speaker 1: done this disgusting ship? I think it says a lot
Speaker 1: about people that do that, especially but how they feel
Speaker 1: about women.
Speaker 2: But yeah, and and manipulating the community to gain that support,
Speaker 2: and the and using social media to to suaye people's opinions,
Speaker 2: you know, all that stuff, just taking advantage of people
Speaker 2: out there. You know, it's more of what he does.
Speaker 2: But that's it, man, That's that's that's Those are our
Speaker 2: thoughts on the Diddy documentary about about fifty And who's
Speaker 2: the director's name? I want to shout her because fifty
Speaker 2: was the one that just got it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Alexandria, what was it like?
Speaker 2: I don't even know.
Speaker 4: Let me look it up real quick.
Speaker 1: Nah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I thought it was something like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, Alexandria Stapleton, yeah is the one. Yeah, But
Speaker 2: fifty was the one that kind of gave it, you know,
Speaker 2: a little bit more amplification with the footage and stuff
Speaker 2: like that and publicity, you know, because I don't know
Speaker 2: how many people would have actually watched it if if
Speaker 2: it wasn't for that controversy. But but yeah, but shout
Speaker 2: out to her. I think she did an amazing job.
Speaker 4: I think she did a good job, really well done.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm. So we leave it there, man, We cut
Speaker 2: you guys. Next time, we off peace.