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Speaker 2: The Frans per Second Podcast. Hey everybody, and welcome to

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Speaker 2: a new episode of The France Per Second Podcast. My

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Speaker 2: name is Kenthy. Ban's joined him on the show is

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Speaker 2: Mike and Nick. What up? Fellas? What up? What's going on?

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Speaker 2: Glad to have your I don't know if this is

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Speaker 2: a good one to have you on. Nick. It's random,

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Speaker 2: you know, given the circumstances or the episode or documentary

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Speaker 2: about the cover, which is Sean Comb's The Reckoning. But uh,

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Speaker 2: but you know, I think we'll get through it respectfully.

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Speaker 2: We'll see anyway, That's what we are here to discuss. Uh.

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Speaker 2: The new Shawn Combs documentary. You know, Nick, Mike, I

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Speaker 2: think it's Spike really really started selling it for me.

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Speaker 2: He kept talking about how good it is, like they

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Speaker 2: no desire to watch it. You know, neither did I,

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Speaker 2: but at one point there was a curiosity I had

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Speaker 2: then when he started talking about I was like, okay,

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Speaker 2: well let me check it out. Then I saw it

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Speaker 2: was four episodes. I thought it was like one full documentary,

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't have agreed to this if I knew it

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Speaker 2: I just finished it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I finished it this morning, this morning, around eleven

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Speaker 2: we knew. Fifty is petty Nick. I was trying to

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Speaker 1: To me, this is more of the enemy of my

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Speaker 1: I feel like because I listened to Bomoni Jones, a

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Speaker 1: what was fifty's involvement and all that stuff. He basically

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Speaker 1: Like the the notarizer of it. But overall, I think,

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Speaker 1: He knew it would be huge, and he don't fucking

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Speaker 4: Now. The thing is that I would also say, is

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Speaker 1: I'm not of that whole like, don't kick a black

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Speaker 1: We had an argument about this. I forget who was

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Speaker 2: Really good.

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Speaker 1: we can say Vince Staples because prin Staples is very smart.

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Speaker 1: How did he just get to now? The twenty twenty

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Speaker 4: Ye And I was crazy. I was crazy.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure Mike remembers this growing up, growing up at

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Speaker 2: Like I remember that that City College stampede, Mike, do

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Speaker 1: So, No, here's the thing about a lot of this

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Speaker 4: So all of this shit.

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Speaker 1: The other shit Nah, nah, no, which one? Which one

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Speaker 2: It was a city college. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah it was. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: He heard the stories and he put it out there

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Speaker 2: So uh and then to your point, Nick, he what

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Speaker 4: Situation, Shug's the bad guy picking on Puff.

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Speaker 3: Because that's when you asked me about, like what was

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Speaker 1: so you can spend shit however you want to. But

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00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:05,000
Speaker 1: it's just really really interesting to see how, like you mentioned,

437
00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:08,359
Speaker 1: how powerful someone can be and how influential it is

438
00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:09,040
Speaker 1: based off that.

439
00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:13,360
Speaker 2: Power and a piece of ship going after everybody girls

440
00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:15,440
Speaker 2: Albie Sure's girl.

441
00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:19,440
Speaker 3: All the light skin niggas.

442
00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:20,520
Speaker 4: Bro.

443
00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:26,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't even Mike that was that was new

444
00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:31,320
Speaker 2: for me. I will say that Eric Simon story was crazy, bro.

445
00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:36,560
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, Spike was that. Spike said that that did

446
00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:40,760
Speaker 1: he hit Eric Sermon? And Eric Simon didn't really do anything.

447
00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:43,040
Speaker 1: He just went around the corner and Diddy started playing

448
00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:45,959
Speaker 1: the music and I was like, that ain't the Eric Sermon.

449
00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:49,479
Speaker 1: I know, I can't see Diddy just fucking punching Eric

450
00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:52,560
Speaker 1: Simon in the face and Eric Simon just don't fuck

451
00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:55,760
Speaker 1: him up. But Eric Simon just said that he swung

452
00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:59,240
Speaker 1: on me. That makes more sense. I could see Diddy

453
00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:01,679
Speaker 1: doing that ship and then when Eric simmers like all right, bro,

454
00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:03,760
Speaker 1: we about to go down the street and I'm gonna

455
00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:06,000
Speaker 1: fuck you up. I can see Diddy being like, oh,

456
00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:12,640
Speaker 1: well no, man, I ain't really mean it. Album Ready

457
00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:14,359
Speaker 1: to Die baby the next day.

458
00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:16,360
Speaker 2: And I'm ready to die.

459
00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:19,000
Speaker 3: That was That was the funniest thing though.

460
00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:20,800
Speaker 1: It is like, imagine you're about to feel like you

461
00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:23,320
Speaker 1: about to fight somebody. Somebody plays, so I will say,

462
00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:27,320
Speaker 1: hold on, bro, listen to this and it's good. That's

463
00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:34,240
Speaker 1: That's how that's how much biggie is I got. He

464
00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:35,359
Speaker 1: said Diddy twice.

465
00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:38,760
Speaker 4: He thinks there ain't no way in hell. Eric Simmer

466
00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:40,240
Speaker 4: was not a Diddy up.

467
00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:42,840
Speaker 1: Hey, And everybody said it on the Dog he ain't no,

468
00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:45,760
Speaker 1: he ain't no fighter whatever what you call. You would

469
00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:48,080
Speaker 1: call Diddy anything you want, but he a fighter, is

470
00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:51,800
Speaker 1: not one of them. So like that was a crazy story. Diddy,

471
00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:56,320
Speaker 1: that's always have money because he would have gotten handled

472
00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:58,720
Speaker 1: so many times in his lifetime if he didn't.

473
00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:01,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they did a good job with that, like

474
00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:05,200
Speaker 2: showing him just surrounding himself with like real street dudes,

475
00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:09,600
Speaker 2: you know, and using them as muscle. But yeah, every yeah,

476
00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:11,840
Speaker 2: every sermon was like, yeah, we know what this guy is,

477
00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:14,280
Speaker 2: but we know he ain't about that life. So taking

478
00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:17,280
Speaker 2: around the corner and you know, and see what's up.

479
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:19,040
Speaker 2: But yeah, that that ship was crazy. What y'all think

480
00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:22,679
Speaker 2: about Mark Curry? Mark was telling a lot of the

481
00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:23,280
Speaker 2: stories too.

482
00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:26,520
Speaker 1: Every time they say Mark Curry, I think of hanging

483
00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:27,280
Speaker 1: with mister Cooper.

484
00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:34,560
Speaker 3: See it's the hating when mister Cooper is Mark Corey.

485
00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:37,520
Speaker 1: I guess because Mark Curry has been the guy who was, like,

486
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:41,480
Speaker 1: from what I've known historically, anytime you get a chance

487
00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:44,080
Speaker 1: to hate on Puff or like to speak, you know,

488
00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:47,840
Speaker 1: honest truth about Puff, he be the first person anybody

489
00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:49,760
Speaker 1: called yeah.

490
00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:51,439
Speaker 4: So he was so he was just he was just

491
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:53,240
Speaker 4: having a great time in this doc.

492
00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:58,840
Speaker 1: I don't know him or I don't know anything about him,

493
00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:02,680
Speaker 1: but I believe there was he said because of how

494
00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:06,040
Speaker 1: the doc ended with him. Look, you don't make up

495
00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:07,960
Speaker 1: some ship about a guy and then go on a

496
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:11,920
Speaker 1: big ass documentary and cry and you're a grown man.

497
00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:15,159
Speaker 1: You don't do that. That shit affected him. Whatever the

498
00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:18,040
Speaker 1: fuck did he was doing affected him. And then he

499
00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:21,919
Speaker 1: called him a sucker ass nigga. I believed him. I

500
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:26,320
Speaker 1: believed everything he said. That man was not lying. Yeah,

501
00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:28,159
Speaker 1: he wrote I think he wrote a book Dancing with

502
00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:31,240
Speaker 1: the Devil or something like that a little bit ago,

503
00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:35,480
Speaker 1: and that was just kind of like again expounding upon

504
00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:38,800
Speaker 1: what he said in the dock. But uh, what I

505
00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:42,320
Speaker 1: did find interesting is that Diddy has no talent except

506
00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:43,000
Speaker 1: for his ear.

507
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:48,560
Speaker 4: Because he was saying, bro, I had to even even

508
00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:49,840
Speaker 4: though at the end of the doc.

509
00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:52,159
Speaker 1: Uh, the young producer was like, bro, we had to

510
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:53,880
Speaker 1: do like eight hundred takes.

511
00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:56,840
Speaker 3: This right, I was like, bro.

512
00:26:57,040 --> 00:27:01,439
Speaker 1: They was like, Diddy is trash like Gabbage, And granted

513
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:04,040
Speaker 1: we knew that too as fans, but.

514
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:05,679
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, Like, but he's still on

515
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:06,919
Speaker 3: very classic hip.

516
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:09,240
Speaker 1: Hop records, you know, with Versus and Ship, so I

517
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:10,960
Speaker 1: guess we kind of let this slide. But like to

518
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:13,000
Speaker 1: hear that from his peers or people who are in

519
00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:15,240
Speaker 1: the room, was like, okay, that says a lot.

520
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:19,840
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. Mark Mark Curry was interesting because he was

521
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:22,760
Speaker 2: giving even more insight as an artist. He was like,

522
00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:26,879
Speaker 2: nobody got paid, he said, did he got paid? Did

523
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:28,679
Speaker 2: would be in the videos? He would pay himself and

524
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:30,640
Speaker 2: all of those Like he was just laying it out, bro,

525
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:33,879
Speaker 2: And he was like everybody ended up leaving and you

526
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:37,399
Speaker 2: just growing up remembering all that stuff. You're like, damn

527
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:40,880
Speaker 2: like seeing the like retold him like yeah, yeah, they

528
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:42,680
Speaker 2: end up then total like he had a lot of

529
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:47,479
Speaker 2: with the mainstream bro. He had a line up and

530
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:50,280
Speaker 2: hit after hit after hit. You know. Mace was like,

531
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:52,040
Speaker 2: I don't even want to I want to do something else,

532
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:53,800
Speaker 2: was like.

533
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:57,560
Speaker 1: Mason, like again me growing up, Mace became a pastor

534
00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:01,040
Speaker 1: like like that, That's what the curty said. People either

535
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:03,919
Speaker 1: end up dead in jail or with God, like you know,

536
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:07,320
Speaker 1: Like it was like it was crazy to see, like

537
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 1: how being around this guy.

538
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:12,960
Speaker 3: Like either corrupted you.

539
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:17,680
Speaker 1: So so much so that you were going you wanted

540
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:19,520
Speaker 1: to go in a whole different direction, or either you

541
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:24,080
Speaker 1: just want to remove yourself or unfortunately other forces removed

542
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:27,040
Speaker 1: you from this life. So it was just but he

543
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:31,840
Speaker 1: was but he's he's a very interesting manipulator because he

544
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:34,159
Speaker 1: gets like what somebody messages, like, he knows how to

545
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 1: please you, Like he knows like.

546
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:38,120
Speaker 3: He'll get you like he'll promise you fame, he'll promise you.

547
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:39,959
Speaker 1: Record deals, we promise you a chance of music industry,

548
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:42,959
Speaker 1: He'll promise you whatever. And then once he gets you in,

549
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:44,719
Speaker 1: then he makes he knows how to make you dependent

550
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:47,360
Speaker 1: on him, Like, I think the way people stick around

551
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:48,920
Speaker 1: if they weren't getting paid, they were at least in

552
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:51,400
Speaker 1: the lifestyle. So that's why the party's probably made a

553
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:55,800
Speaker 1: lot of h was heavily you know, emphasized on the hotels,

554
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:58,480
Speaker 1: the being in the studio with these bigger artists around,

555
00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:01,960
Speaker 1: like it was just it's just it's like crazy.

556
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 3: Like manipulation. I don't know how someone is able to

557
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:05,080
Speaker 3: do that.

558
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 1: In today's sense, but like obviously, but back then, I

559
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:12,720
Speaker 1: think basically and where he came up, it's easy to

560
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:14,000
Speaker 1: see how he was able to do that.

561
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:19,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, that crab Mac story was sad.

562
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:20,760
Speaker 4: Very sad.

563
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:23,840
Speaker 2: Man, What are you talking about?

564
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 3: The one he said that he had like a water cast.

565
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:27,480
Speaker 3: She only gave him a hundred dollars.

566
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:31,240
Speaker 4: Gave one hundred dollars and broke That's disgusting, man.

567
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 2: She was his wife said she had to borrow money

568
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 2: from her dad. You gotta hit records, and he just

569
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:39,840
Speaker 2: hit all the money like and you just like you said,

570
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:42,440
Speaker 2: he's and what crab Mac, He couldn't do shit, But

571
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:45,840
Speaker 2: what was he gonna do about to go with sn't night?

572
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:48,080
Speaker 2: And then that's where we get into the Old East

573
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:51,479
Speaker 2: versus West Thing and and Poc and Biggie and watching

574
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 2: this man like we heard the stories that they were friends.

575
00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:58,800
Speaker 2: You know, there's a song with them together, you know,

576
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:03,680
Speaker 2: out there and just watching it, man, I was just like, man,

577
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:09,120
Speaker 2: what could have been if this guy wasn't so jealous? Yep?

578
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 2: I mean, my god, man, man, they and just seeing

579
00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:16,960
Speaker 2: them together and I don't think I've seen a video

580
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:18,360
Speaker 2: before when they were at the table and they did

581
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:22,240
Speaker 2: a little freestyle and they were laughing. Man, bro just sad.

582
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:26,880
Speaker 2: You know, what did you guys think about, Like the

583
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 2: retelling of the whole Puff and Big story, including information

584
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:35,120
Speaker 2: from I think Keithy d talking about his his involvement

585
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:38,520
Speaker 2: with it.

586
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:40,240
Speaker 1: It just gives it just gives more of an impression

587
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:45,400
Speaker 1: that a lot of people that thought that did he

588
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:47,520
Speaker 1: had something to do with both murders were right.

589
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:52,960
Speaker 4: You know, it's pretty It's pretty clear to me.

590
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:55,360
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously I don't have an inside college, but

591
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:58,480
Speaker 1: it's pretty clear to me that did he had something

592
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:01,400
Speaker 1: to do with both of those. He did not like

593
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 1: Pac because he thought pauc was trying to take Big,

594
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 1: which is crazy, and then for him to kill Big.

595
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:14,920
Speaker 1: It made sense too because It's like he knew he

596
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 1: could ride off of that grief shit forever. But there's

597
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 1: also the illogicality of it where it's like, well, he

598
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 1: killed his biggest cash cow. H So I could see

599
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:30,920
Speaker 1: either one, but with Pac, most definitely, most fucking definitely

600
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:32,960
Speaker 1: he has something to do with it, and that's that's

601
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:36,560
Speaker 1: just that's just a shame, man. And you could tell

602
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 1: he was lying when they asked him on fucking that

603
00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 1: little interview where they were like, did you have anything

604
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 1: to do with PAC's death?

605
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:50,240
Speaker 4: You could tell he was lying. Shit, That shit was crazy.

606
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 4: I'm like, who did you think believe that?

607
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 1: And then they asked him another question like do you

608
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 1: know do you have anything or do you know anything

609
00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:00,800
Speaker 1: about Biggs murder? Like who possibly could have murdered Biggie?

610
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:03,560
Speaker 1: And he kind of gave a similar energy answer with that.

611
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:07,520
Speaker 1: For me, it was just.

612
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:11,640
Speaker 3: Like Wow, hearing it told in this way.

613
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 1: Was just like one, like you said, Cam, like we

614
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 1: could have probably got a Tupac big album something like

615
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:20,680
Speaker 1: based off how the chemistry and the friendship that I

616
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:24,680
Speaker 1: was brewing. It seemed like they were really going to

617
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:27,240
Speaker 1: make some like a really big impact in hip hop

618
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:30,120
Speaker 1: that you know, they already have, of course as individuals,

619
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 1: but together it could have been something crazy. And the

620
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:36,880
Speaker 1: like you mentioned, Mike, the jealousy, like to me, like

621
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 1: it makes sense for me. When you were just saying it,

622
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 1: it was like, it makes sense for him to kill

623
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 1: Big if he's someone who doesn't really think that far ahead. Yeah,

624
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:49,600
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like it's an emotional thing

625
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:53,400
Speaker 1: where it's like I see myself at the top, Like

626
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:55,960
Speaker 1: I have all this talent that I've groomed, that I've grown,

627
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:59,440
Speaker 1: like that I've I've polished and made better. How come

628
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:01,200
Speaker 1: I'm not like that? How come I can't be out

629
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 1: of that? And if everybody's giving Biggie to shine, I

630
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:06,880
Speaker 1: got to remove him, And like you mentioned, removing him

631
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:09,480
Speaker 1: will help me boost my that's the you know, stool

632
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:13,360
Speaker 1: to my platform. So it was just and but even

633
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 1: then that logic, it's just crazy and the Keifi d shit.

634
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:19,560
Speaker 1: I didn't even know how recent that interview was, but

635
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 1: like the way he detailed out like what happened, I'm like.

636
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:22,960
Speaker 3: That's easily believable.

637
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:26,480
Speaker 4: M Like that, that's easily believable.

638
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:32,320
Speaker 2: And then making Big pay for his own funeral was insane.

639
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 2: If that's true, and then you know, yeah, I.

640
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 1: Was gonna say, but I've also known for years that

641
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 1: Bigg's family has said that he don't really help him

642
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:44,480
Speaker 1: out or like he like financially, Like, yeah, they take

643
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:49,160
Speaker 1: photo options together and shit, but like, I don't, like

644
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:52,000
Speaker 1: you would think that if biggs kids were well.

645
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:53,320
Speaker 3: Taken care of, we would have seen it.

646
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 1: But I feel like they live very ordinary lives outside

647
00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:00,600
Speaker 1: the fact of all, my dad or my granddad, you know,

648
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 1: is one of the greatest rappers or is considered one

649
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:06,320
Speaker 1: of the greatest rappers of all time. Yeah, if you

650
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:08,840
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Speaker 2: In real time I didn't see the pattern until they

661
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 2: set of him getting more popular with each dev until

662
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:55,880
Speaker 2: they said it in the documentary and they showed it

663
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:57,920
Speaker 2: to us and told it to us. I was like, shit,

664
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:02,000
Speaker 2: you just one thing, said Mike, Like logically it didn't

665
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:07,600
Speaker 2: make sense, but somehow it worked. This guy became huge,

666
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:12,399
Speaker 2: shit made no fucking sense and just went and found

667
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:14,440
Speaker 2: more acts, went and got made. He went and got

668
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:16,839
Speaker 2: all these other people and just continue to blow up

669
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 2: after losing Big it's and.

670
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:24,080
Speaker 4: Dancing throughout the whole thing. Can that's my thing?

671
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:26,480
Speaker 1: Literally dancing on beings great When he came out in

672
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:33,480
Speaker 1: that video with Sting, was that Sting s.

673
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:32,839
Speaker 2: Bro.

674
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:34,160
Speaker 3: I remember watching that.

675
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:36,359
Speaker 1: I remember watching because everybody was sad with Big Guy,

676
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 1: and I remember watching that and that was like a

677
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 1: very emotion.

678
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:41,760
Speaker 3: But again, to see it twenty twenty high.

679
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:44,560
Speaker 1: Sided, like, bru, that's one of the biggest slap in

680
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:46,239
Speaker 1: the faces you can make to someone you can see

681
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:49,839
Speaker 1: your best friend. Yeah, yeah, none of us thought about

682
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:51,879
Speaker 1: that at the time, but we look at it now

683
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:56,840
Speaker 1: it's like this is this is fucking insane, fucking insane.

684
00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:57,880
Speaker 4: And I don't.

685
00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:00,279
Speaker 1: Remember who said it, but somebody on the dock kind

686
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 1: of implied, like, yeah, that whole ship was planned out.

687
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:07,319
Speaker 1: The second that he died. It was like, oh, I'm

688
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:11,440
Speaker 1: gonna fucking bank off this, and he did. But the

689
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 1: fact that he banked off of it with the worst

690
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:15,800
Speaker 1: music ever fucking made.

691
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 4: Like I. I have a really hard.

692
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 1: Time when people are like, yeah, man, I fucked with

693
00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 1: that that Diddy album, It's.

694
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:33,440
Speaker 4: Like, how is that possible? Yeah, I understand it was

695
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 4: a popular album.

696
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:42,439
Speaker 5: I get it, and you're like, man with hip hop

697
00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:46,360
Speaker 5: and you're like, yeah, that Diddy album was was dope.

698
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't. I don't understand. You must be

699
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 1: a serial killer or something that something is wrong with you.

700
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:57,359
Speaker 1: It's the It's some of the worst music I've ever

701
00:36:57,400 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 1: heard come out of wrap. Oh No, he got, he

702
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 1: got I've Been Missing You, which was obviously the single,

703
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 1: and then all about the Benjamin's terrible, but those whole

704
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 1: song you know what, Yeah, his part is horrible, but

705
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:19,920
Speaker 1: those are like big records.

706
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:32,319
Speaker 6: Nothing No that ships Tray Bro like again, he was

707
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:32,880
Speaker 6: he was.

708
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:36,759
Speaker 1: He was the representation of everything I hated about rap,

709
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:39,200
Speaker 1: And when that album came out, it was like, oh,

710
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 1: you're just happily solidifying and bragging about the fact that

711
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 1: you are one of the worst elements of hip hop.

712
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 1: You make the shittiest music. Everybody fucking hates you because

713
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 1: you don't pay them. And now you're like glamorizing the

714
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:57,839
Speaker 1: fact that you can't fucking rap when when I guess

715
00:37:57,840 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 1: his name is Mark Curry, right, because since y'all told

716
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:01,719
Speaker 1: me Mark Hurry was like, yeah, man, I would write

717
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:04,400
Speaker 1: the raps and he going there and he fucking he

718
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 1: performed them, and he'd be like, that's not what I said,

719
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 1: and that's not how I told you to do it.

720
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:12,279
Speaker 1: Do that ship again. And it's like, bro, you were

721
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:14,799
Speaker 1: in there telling him to do it again, and this

722
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:17,120
Speaker 1: final result is what y'all.

723
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:22,799
Speaker 4: Best to do. He had no business anywhere near a

724
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:23,759
Speaker 4: fucking microphone.

725
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:30,359
Speaker 2: Man, that's he don't I don't disagree, but he got

726
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:31,279
Speaker 2: some joints on that No.

727
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 4: Way I knew.

728
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:38,360
Speaker 2: I never like that. I've never denied not liking that album.

729
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 2: You know, bro, it's it's not him, it's he got

730
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 2: some He got a lot.

731
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:44,120
Speaker 4: Of people doing that.

732
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:48,439
Speaker 1: He's he's great at directing, Like when they talk about

733
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 1: producing a track or producing an album, he's really great

734
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:53,640
Speaker 1: at that. And it goes to show from the other

735
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:57,879
Speaker 1: acts that we talked about, but like but again you

736
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 1: you it's like we It's like we should have seen

737
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:03,919
Speaker 1: that this wolf was in Sheep's clothing the whole time.

738
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:05,520
Speaker 3: Like because like even with the music, like.

739
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:09,920
Speaker 1: You said, everybody else is good but him, Like you

740
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:12,960
Speaker 1: can and you can say that about it almost you

741
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 1: go to the music, go to the reality of it

742
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:18,359
Speaker 1: as a businessman when it comes to him and how

743
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:21,239
Speaker 1: you deal with artists, like everything is like everybody's good,

744
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:25,440
Speaker 1: but you you are the the worst thing about everything.

745
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:30,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you just tolerated and then and then but yeah,

746
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:33,319
Speaker 2: I think it was interesting for them to say that

747
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:35,480
Speaker 2: Mike and then say yeah, when they had a chance

748
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 2: to put Big on, I forgot the cover and yeah

749
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:41,279
Speaker 2: he gonna call it there and was like, nah, I

750
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 2: need to my album.

751
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:45,120
Speaker 4: Like what that sounds about, right?

752
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:48,040
Speaker 1: They said they said Big was about to do a

753
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:52,600
Speaker 1: European press tour and I think that was around the

754
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:55,719
Speaker 1: same time he was about he got shot, and both

755
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:57,359
Speaker 1: was like, nah, he he ain't about to do that.

756
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:01,480
Speaker 1: I'm like, imagine how big big er Biggie would have

757
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:03,640
Speaker 1: gotten if he would have done that or at that

758
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:09,439
Speaker 1: time when he had everybody listening to him like, Yeah,

759
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:12,640
Speaker 1: I think I think Mike, he I think he wanted

760
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 1: to take him out because he's like, bro, this guy,

761
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:18,839
Speaker 1: it's like the he's a shooting star and I don't.

762
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:20,799
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna be able to be on that those

763
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:23,400
Speaker 1: coattails for long because he's gonna realize how big he

764
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:25,799
Speaker 1: is out no pun intended outside of me.

765
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:28,000
Speaker 2: And he was gonna leave. He was gonna leave.

766
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:34,759
Speaker 1: Ye. Yeah, story too, Yeah, if I remember correctly, the

767
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:38,360
Speaker 1: story was Biggie wanted to go to Europe and instead

768
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:42,080
Speaker 1: Puff bade him go to California stay.

769
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:42,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, stay in La.

770
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:46,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, and knowing that he had gotten multiple death threats. Now,

771
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:49,360
Speaker 1: of course he's not here to defend himself. But the

772
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:52,120
Speaker 1: question I would have is, why the fuck did you

773
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:56,759
Speaker 1: let Puff make you do something that stupid? Why did

774
00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:59,920
Speaker 1: you think you're gonna be safe in an area that

775
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 1: I hated you? But then again, Mike, again, he's young.

776
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 1: He's only what twenty five, twenty six? Like these are

777
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:11,440
Speaker 1: again these are all still young kids essentially, Yeah, like

778
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 1: and and then and then Puff is like everything he

779
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:16,799
Speaker 1: touches turns the gold. At this point, especially with your

780
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:19,480
Speaker 1: own career, so I got to listen to him, and

781
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:20,319
Speaker 1: based on the.

782
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 3: Contracts, he might be like, my money's tied to this

783
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:25,880
Speaker 3: ship too. If he if he upset that fucked everything up.

784
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:28,839
Speaker 1: He is just the right people around him, unfortunately, because

785
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 1: somebody should have been like, bro, you're not doing this.

786
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 1: You are not going to California right now. They're going

787
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:35,760
Speaker 1: to try.

788
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:38,360
Speaker 2: To kill you. And they were, they were telling him that,

789
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:40,960
Speaker 2: but yeah, they were telling them like they don't play

790
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 2: like one I forgot who said it was, like, Bro,

791
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:45,520
Speaker 2: like they don't they get they get down in Cali,

792
00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 2: Like you don't want to really do it?

793
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:50,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you don't.

794
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:52,600
Speaker 2: Want to do that. Yeah, so but yeah, no, it

795
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:56,000
Speaker 2: was It was interesting. I remember, yeah, just just living

796
00:41:56,040 --> 00:42:00,839
Speaker 2: through that moment and then you know, having the last

797
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:05,839
Speaker 2: story was about did he going into making him sign

798
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 2: over the last twenty of his stock? I think that

799
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:11,520
Speaker 2: was I think that was early on though. I think

800
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 2: that was to get the financing for bad Boy. Yeah yeah, yeah,

801
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:19,600
Speaker 2: but that was crazy. But anyway, and then he left

802
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:26,760
Speaker 2: him broke homeless, Yeah yeah.

803
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:28,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, or if it's that baseball bat had been

804
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:30,239
Speaker 1: in before he brought it up in there, you know,

805
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 1: It's one thing to get beat with a baseball bat.

806
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 1: You get beat with a baseball bat with some you

807
00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:38,840
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, some booty juice on it that

808
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 1: makes it's.

809
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:46,399
Speaker 4: Like that that Nagan back with the fucking booty juice

810
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 4: that it might stick to your face.

811
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:53,719
Speaker 1: It's one thing to get your ass whooped. You get

812
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:57,480
Speaker 1: your ass whooped, and you spell like you afterwards? Yo

813
00:42:57,560 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 1: do bruh, Ain't no fucking way. I'm like, hey, take

814
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 1: the twenty five percent, bro, I don't need it back.

815
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:06,239
Speaker 2: I'm surprised he still didn't get the money, though. I

816
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:08,680
Speaker 2: think when you anyway, I wanted to look into that

817
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:10,720
Speaker 2: because I'm like, wait a minute, Like when you sell

818
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 2: your stop, that's a cash transaction. How did you not

819
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 2: get that immediately?

820
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:16,360
Speaker 3: But you heard you heard that?

821
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:17,640
Speaker 2: Go ahead?

822
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:17,919
Speaker 4: Nick?

823
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:19,440
Speaker 3: I was gonna say, you heard that bullshit?

824
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 2: Loune.

825
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:21,120
Speaker 4: Did he say He's I'm gonna take it, but I'm

826
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:25,319
Speaker 4: gonna give it right back? Like what?

827
00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:27,439
Speaker 3: That's probably why he ain't getting no cash out.

828
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:29,920
Speaker 1: Of fight, because did he sit on your sign over

829
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:32,360
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna pay you right back? That's exactly what

830
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 1: I was gonna say. He probably never gave him the money.

831
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:36,719
Speaker 1: He probably told him, I'm gonna hit you back later,

832
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 1: and he never did.

833
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:42,440
Speaker 2: The last two episodes, you know, most of the stuff

834
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:44,719
Speaker 2: we kind of knew. They gave us a little bit more.

835
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 2: They gave us more backstory on the whole Cassie thing,

836
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 2: nineteen dating Ryan Leslie, kicking Ryan Leslie out the studio.

837
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:57,440
Speaker 1: Basically, hey, Ken, his his hatred for light.

838
00:43:57,280 --> 00:43:59,000
Speaker 4: Skinned niggas was crazy.

839
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:03,799
Speaker 1: He's the Alvi Shore girl at the height of Alvi

840
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:04,720
Speaker 1: Shore's career.

841
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:09,480
Speaker 3: Ryan, I remember the whole Ryland Leslie situation. I don't

842
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:10,759
Speaker 3: know why, but I remember the whole Ryan.

843
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:13,400
Speaker 1: Leaves situation because that was his girl and he was

844
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:16,040
Speaker 1: the one that kind of he got her popping and everything,

845
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:21,200
Speaker 1: and Diddy was like, nah, bro, she remain that. Yeah,

846
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:25,120
Speaker 1: and then Ryan Leslie kind of just went away. It

847
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:26,759
Speaker 1: was a weird like thing because he still had a

848
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:28,960
Speaker 1: he was a really good producer and everything, especially for

849
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:32,680
Speaker 1: R and B, the R and B genre. I don't

850
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:35,479
Speaker 1: yeah that so that brought up some memories. But yeah,

851
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 1: that Cassie ship is like the Ken Porter Cashi ship

852
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:39,680
Speaker 1: was crazy.

853
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:42,480
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, she just had to sit there and just

854
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:45,000
Speaker 2: just take it, like but you can see she was miserable.

855
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:48,840
Speaker 1: That's crazy you sending you sending your side piece to

856
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:52,399
Speaker 1: the store while your main comes through, and then when

857
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:56,759
Speaker 1: your main leaves, you're bringing the side piece back. That's

858
00:44:56,960 --> 00:45:02,960
Speaker 1: insane work. And everybody round know that that's what's happening. Yeah,

859
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:05,000
Speaker 1: because like, oh, we knew Kim was the wife and

860
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:08,799
Speaker 1: Cassie was the wife. He even drug dealers, you know,

861
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:13,640
Speaker 1: they necessary, And I'm like, I get it. But at

862
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:16,800
Speaker 1: the same time, we this is different levels to this ship,

863
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:19,839
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like, my thing is they

864
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:21,839
Speaker 1: all knew that he was beating up on her. That's

865
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:24,280
Speaker 1: the part that I can't I mean, I can't respect

866
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:29,839
Speaker 1: any of it. But the whole cheating ship, Yeah, it's

867
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:30,640
Speaker 1: fucked up, and that's.

868
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:31,399
Speaker 4: Kind of y'all's thing.

869
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:34,600
Speaker 1: But like, y'all all knew that he was beating the

870
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:38,520
Speaker 1: ship out that girl behind closed doors, and y'all didn't

871
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:39,879
Speaker 1: do a fucking thing.

872
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:40,760
Speaker 4: That's wild.

873
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:45,200
Speaker 1: Even even the man who the prostitute was like, did

874
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:46,919
Speaker 1: he kick the ship at her? And I was like, damn,

875
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:48,160
Speaker 1: why are you doing that? He looked at him like, bro,

876
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:50,279
Speaker 1: you ain't about to do a damn thing. Yeah, because

877
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:55,120
Speaker 1: he's with a hard fight like that.

878
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:56,359
Speaker 2: That black story, bro.

879
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 1: Imagine did he try to disguise himself, went with a

880
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:10,640
Speaker 1: cash sweater.

881
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:21,719
Speaker 3: And he tried to Southern not have me dying that.

882
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:27,120
Speaker 4: Probably never heard before. He was trying to sound Southern crazy.

883
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:29,920
Speaker 3: He tried to do a Kevin Spacey Southern accident.

884
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:38,319
Speaker 2: He t like, it wasn't me. Did the didn't that

885
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:39,680
Speaker 2: guy look like Sterling K. Brown?

886
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:44,320
Speaker 4: Then he did look like Randall a freaking random.

887
00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:50,839
Speaker 1: He looked like he looked like Leroy from Welcome to Derry.

888
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 1: Jesus hey bro, when he said we was sucking for

889
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:59,280
Speaker 1: two days straight and he was like, how.

890
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:01,560
Speaker 4: Y'all doing this? And they was They was just giving

891
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:03,239
Speaker 4: them all kinds of drugs.

892
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:07,799
Speaker 1: Like have the recipe, but I would I would take

893
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:11,080
Speaker 1: my coum, and you know, he's been doing it for

894
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:13,200
Speaker 1: months and finally I was like, what you're doing with

895
00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:15,880
Speaker 1: my cum And he's like, yeah, man, I like to

896
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:17,880
Speaker 1: watch your drink it or whatever the fuck he said.

897
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:20,240
Speaker 3: And then he shrugged it off and he was like, okay,

898
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:21,440
Speaker 3: whatever you like to do it?

899
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:23,880
Speaker 4: All right? What like what.

900
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:28,880
Speaker 1: He was keeping your comb in a tumberware and you're like,

901
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:31,479
Speaker 1: oh yeah, that's normal that he just brings down, makes

902
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:35,960
Speaker 1: her drink it. What what I get that you get

903
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:37,680
Speaker 1: paid for these services?

904
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:40,759
Speaker 3: But like if someone's putting your nut in a sippy cup, bro, like.

905
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:44,520
Speaker 1: Real, for real, that's great you And it was only

906
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:46,040
Speaker 1: paying on what six bands?

907
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:49,600
Speaker 4: I'm like, I don't remember, I remember?

908
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:52,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah I was.

909
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:54,360
Speaker 1: I was expecting like a ridiculous amount because he's in

910
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:55,480
Speaker 1: eight years, Mike.

911
00:47:56,719 --> 00:48:02,240
Speaker 2: Eight years, that's what he said, no years.

912
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:05,800
Speaker 1: But every time he got every transaction was you wouldn't

913
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 1: fuck Cassie for six grand.

914
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:10,200
Speaker 4: Listen, you ain't gotta pay me that much to fuck Cassie.

915
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:14,080
Speaker 2: But my thing is the ship.

916
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:16,080
Speaker 3: It's the other ship because Diddy's in the room the

917
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:16,600
Speaker 3: whole time.

918
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:21,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, with that thing, you can.

919
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:25,279
Speaker 1: Have my you can have it all Diddy for six grand. Yeah,

920
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:26,160
Speaker 1: give me the little cup.

921
00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:28,960
Speaker 4: There you go. What you do with this? I don't

922
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:29,359
Speaker 4: need it.

923
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:32,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know.

924
00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:34,600
Speaker 4: I don't care about your silent pause. I don't give

925
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:38,000
Speaker 4: a fu No, I'm just saying but because.

926
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:39,400
Speaker 1: Because then he said he was like at first, you know,

927
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:42,080
Speaker 1: the first few times, did he wasn't in the fault?

928
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:48,000
Speaker 7: Did he? That's what I'm like, all right, bro, he

929
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:53,400
Speaker 7: ain't worth it because you could tell he down played what.

930
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:55,759
Speaker 1: Involved because he was just like, yeah, sometimes it was

931
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:56,600
Speaker 1: I would have her.

932
00:48:56,680 --> 00:48:58,160
Speaker 3: She would ever then you.

933
00:48:58,120 --> 00:49:01,040
Speaker 4: Know, like god, we don't.

934
00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:15,000
Speaker 1: At least he got that same that he had Batman

935
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:21,640
Speaker 1: was hey, mane like y'all laughing at No, that's not.

936
00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:25,680
Speaker 4: That.

937
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:28,640
Speaker 1: That's when when when the when the whole came on,

938
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:31,200
Speaker 1: I was like, bro, this whole documentary could have just

939
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:34,920
Speaker 1: been him. Bro, they say, they say, I'm like you say,

940
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:37,800
Speaker 1: Man for the head. He could have told a bunch

941
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:43,320
Speaker 1: of stories. I really feel terrible for Cassie though, because

942
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:46,320
Speaker 1: I don't know what was going on in her mind,

943
00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:48,479
Speaker 1: and I know that the jurors were trying to spend

944
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:50,480
Speaker 1: it like, well she was involved and all that.

945
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:52,799
Speaker 4: I just don't know.

946
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:55,279
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't I mean, yeah, I'm sure

947
00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:58,400
Speaker 1: she was involved, but I'm just not positive about how

948
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:01,080
Speaker 1: much of that ship was consensual. Like, I just don't

949
00:50:01,120 --> 00:50:05,440
Speaker 1: really believe that she was consensually involved because she was

950
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:07,040
Speaker 1: like when she said he met her when she was

951
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:10,320
Speaker 1: like when nineteen or something like that. And the city

952
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:13,080
Speaker 1: she comes, like New London, Connecticut is not that far

953
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 1: from where I'm at, and this is like small town

954
00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:17,520
Speaker 1: shit areas.

955
00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:20,080
Speaker 3: It's not like granted again, like I said, it's still like.

956
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:22,239
Speaker 1: A half an hour and a half two hour train

957
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:24,960
Speaker 1: ride to the city, but that's still a good distance

958
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:28,080
Speaker 1: to have a different lifestyle. So going for her from

959
00:50:28,080 --> 00:50:31,560
Speaker 1: going from that, let alone, Ryan Leslie, going from that

960
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:34,279
Speaker 1: to Diddy in like maybe a three years timespan, Like

961
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:38,520
Speaker 1: that's a whole If he's able to manipulate grown folks,

962
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:41,040
Speaker 1: what do you think he doing to a teenage essentially

963
00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:43,719
Speaker 1: a teenager or a young adult. Like it was just

964
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:46,719
Speaker 1: like I like, like you said, Mike, especially when you

965
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:49,560
Speaker 1: see that video of her trying to leave from that hotel.

966
00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:52,960
Speaker 1: She was she was you could tell she was tiptone,

967
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:54,440
Speaker 1: trying not to make a step.

968
00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:58,839
Speaker 4: And then that video was just that was disgusting.

969
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:05,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Diddy went from episode one not doing drugs,

970
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:09,640
Speaker 2: drinking anything to just taking everything pink this lacing the

971
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:11,840
Speaker 2: baby oil with g or whatever they would call it,

972
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:15,000
Speaker 2: just all kind of ship bro. He was, he was,

973
00:51:14,719 --> 00:51:17,640
Speaker 2: he was on one. But yeah, I was wondering the

974
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:20,200
Speaker 2: same thing by like how much of this was consensual?

975
00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:24,160
Speaker 2: I was just like, you know, just wondering for eight years,

976
00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:29,560
Speaker 2: like her being possibly forced to do those things against

977
00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:33,520
Speaker 2: their wishes. You know that that has to be a

978
00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:40,520
Speaker 2: horrible experience for her to go through. But yeah, but yeah,

979
00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:44,120
Speaker 2: that was a that was interesting and they got one

980
00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:46,759
Speaker 2: lines that Frank Black and then episode four, you know,

981
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:48,960
Speaker 2: it's kind of like where they just kind of conclude things.

982
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:52,359
Speaker 2: I think we get the Kid Cutty story. That's when

983
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:59,359
Speaker 2: what's Clark? She had an interesting first name came through.

984
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:04,600
Speaker 2: Now her last name was Clark. She told the story

985
00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:07,120
Speaker 2: of kid Cuddy, how she was kidnapped to go commit

986
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:10,200
Speaker 2: a murder because Cuddy went hiking.

987
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:16,719
Speaker 4: Oh cut hiking with Cassie and Diddy got mad?

988
00:52:17,239 --> 00:52:18,560
Speaker 2: Mm hmm man.

989
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:23,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, how Cutty got involved with this ship is it's

990
00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:27,600
Speaker 1: just crazy, Like, Bro, he ain't know what the that's

991
00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:28,399
Speaker 1: some movie ship.

992
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:31,000
Speaker 4: Bro, somebody throwing a bomb on your car.

993
00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:33,359
Speaker 1: I feel bad for him because he just thought, Oh,

994
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:35,400
Speaker 1: I got this fine ass woman that wants to hang

995
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:36,760
Speaker 1: out with me and she wants to go camping.

996
00:52:37,160 --> 00:52:41,680
Speaker 4: This sounds cool. And here come Diddy knocking on your window.

997
00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:44,200
Speaker 4: What that's crazy?

998
00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:46,880
Speaker 3: And he you know Cutty from Cleveland, Bro, he a

999
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:47,720
Speaker 3: neighborhood nigga.

1000
00:52:47,719 --> 00:52:50,279
Speaker 1: This's all this ship is like otherworldly to him to

1001
00:52:50,320 --> 00:52:53,680
Speaker 1: deal with that kind of ship, like, man, you ain't

1002
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:57,600
Speaker 1: seen no mess with You ain't seeing mess with a

1003
00:52:57,760 --> 00:53:03,880
Speaker 1: superstar lady. Since degla women for him these days, he

1004
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:06,720
Speaker 1: wants a regular fucking librarian type hick.

1005
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:11,120
Speaker 2: And he just and his life was probably spare because

1006
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:14,520
Speaker 2: he was with Oh girl, imagine if he was there.

1007
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:18,000
Speaker 2: And then they told another story. I think the producer

1008
00:53:18,040 --> 00:53:21,080
Speaker 2: that did the Love album, which actually actually now we

1009
00:53:21,120 --> 00:53:23,600
Speaker 2: know why the album was good, because that guy did

1010
00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:27,600
Speaker 2: the whole damn album. Uh it sounded good. But yeah,

1011
00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:30,120
Speaker 2: he sold the story about how they went in the

1012
00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:31,400
Speaker 2: bathroom and shot somebody.

1013
00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:34,399
Speaker 1: That's the thing I didn't know about. I had never

1014
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:37,960
Speaker 1: heard that story. You and your son go in the

1015
00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:41,319
Speaker 1: room and y'all shoot somebody like that and just walk

1016
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:44,240
Speaker 1: out and nothing happens.

1017
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:46,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, what the fuck?

1018
00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:48,920
Speaker 4: That's crazy.

1019
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:51,719
Speaker 3: I'm calm telling fuck that.

1020
00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:55,759
Speaker 4: That's the thing. Like one of me is like these

1021
00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:58,520
Speaker 4: niggas who raised.

1022
00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:00,560
Speaker 1: Y'all because I swell they made me. It made me

1023
00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:03,040
Speaker 1: realize I was so glad for the parents in the community.

1024
00:54:03,120 --> 00:54:03,919
Speaker 1: I was born in.

1025
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:06,200
Speaker 3: Bruh.

1026
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:11,360
Speaker 1: I am foreign to whatever lifestyle codes they dealing with

1027
00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:15,799
Speaker 1: it because I would have been like nigga. No, I'm like,

1028
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:20,719
Speaker 1: officer is him. I'm there, and I'm glad to be

1029
00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:23,239
Speaker 1: a square. I see you guys go in the room

1030
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:25,520
Speaker 1: and y'all leave, and the motherfucker on the ground bleeding.

1031
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:27,960
Speaker 1: I'm way to y'all in your car and you're driving away,

1032
00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:32,719
Speaker 1: and I'm telling telling his name is Puff, Daddy of

1033
00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:37,080
Speaker 1: Love Diddy and his little son. That kind of looked

1034
00:54:37,120 --> 00:54:40,840
Speaker 1: like fucking Corey Gunns. That's him right there. He's the

1035
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:42,719
Speaker 1: one that fucking did it get him too?

1036
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:47,000
Speaker 4: That's insane. We just heard guns what.

1037
00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:50,279
Speaker 2: And he said he just kept playing, He just kept

1038
00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:51,920
Speaker 2: he just kept doing music.

1039
00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:54,799
Speaker 4: He kept making music. He said he thought he hit

1040
00:54:54,840 --> 00:54:56,400
Speaker 4: a button on the keyboard.

1041
00:54:56,680 --> 00:55:03,320
Speaker 1: Lying make everybody, oh, why that happened?

1042
00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:06,000
Speaker 4: You're lying, Mike. That was That was the fucked up

1043
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:06,919
Speaker 4: thing about this doc.

1044
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:09,719
Speaker 1: It's like everybody had They was quick to say shit

1045
00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:12,920
Speaker 1: about Diddy, but they had their little goofball excuses for

1046
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:15,600
Speaker 1: why they didn't say shit, like not the victims, but

1047
00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:18,319
Speaker 1: like everybody, like all the men. Basically what I'm saying

1048
00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:20,719
Speaker 1: that we're around it, and I'm like, bro, what are

1049
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:23,920
Speaker 1: y'all saying? Because y'all suckers, and y'all want to make

1050
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:27,040
Speaker 1: excuses for being suckers, like, oh, yeah, I was just

1051
00:55:27,080 --> 00:55:29,960
Speaker 1: making my song man, and next thing I know, I

1052
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:31,759
Speaker 1: heard a gunsh Let me tell you something right now,

1053
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:35,720
Speaker 1: everybody knows that gunshot sound on a keyboard. It doesn't

1054
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:38,960
Speaker 1: sound like a gunshot for real. Anybody that's ever heard

1055
00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:42,120
Speaker 1: a real gunshot, you know the fucking difference. So there's

1056
00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:44,760
Speaker 1: no way I believe that story a little Rod. I'm sorry.

1057
00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:47,239
Speaker 1: I hate what you went through, and I hope you

1058
00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:51,000
Speaker 1: are getting the help you need, therapy all that, but

1059
00:55:51,239 --> 00:55:53,839
Speaker 1: I do not believe that you thought you accidentally hit

1060
00:55:53,880 --> 00:55:54,920
Speaker 1: a button on your keyboard.

1061
00:55:55,239 --> 00:56:02,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Yeah, he had a interesting, interesting story. But

1062
00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:04,799
Speaker 2: you know the thing about Rod, as we get ready

1063
00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:06,520
Speaker 2: to kind of close as a girl to close out,

1064
00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:10,799
Speaker 2: is that little Rod in the documentary not right? Right?

1065
00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:17,560
Speaker 2: But damn Nick. At this point, Mike, everybody knows the

1066
00:56:17,680 --> 00:56:21,200
Speaker 2: stories are out there, and he still made the choice

1067
00:56:21,239 --> 00:56:23,279
Speaker 2: to go work for him, knowing that you may not

1068
00:56:23,320 --> 00:56:26,319
Speaker 2: get paid, and it probably may be some other other

1069
00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:29,399
Speaker 2: stuff going on the industry talks, and everybody knew at

1070
00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:31,799
Speaker 2: this point. Rod didn't know until he was waking up,

1071
00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:32,919
Speaker 2: and Diddy was next to him.

1072
00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:41,440
Speaker 4: You mean this isn't real about why he won't go

1073
00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:42,759
Speaker 4: to like what was it? What was it?

1074
00:56:43,040 --> 00:56:52,000
Speaker 1: Gladys some weapons? But what he pulled the blanket back

1075
00:56:52,040 --> 00:57:00,439
Speaker 1: and see you're telling me now, Bro, you're telling me, yeah,

1076
00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:01,560
Speaker 1: ain't no sucking way.

1077
00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:05,880
Speaker 4: You just know, Bro, I'm not waking up and Diddy's

1078
00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:09,799
Speaker 4: in my bed. No, No, we're not going. Bro, We're

1079
00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:12,320
Speaker 4: not going. God, somebody got to die.

1080
00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:17,680
Speaker 2: Ain't all for twenty nine thousand dollars? He said? After

1081
00:57:17,720 --> 00:57:19,400
Speaker 2: all that, Bro.

1082
00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:21,840
Speaker 4: You can do that. You can work at Burger King

1083
00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:22,400
Speaker 4: and get that.

1084
00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:22,600
Speaker 1: Bro.

1085
00:57:23,560 --> 00:57:26,280
Speaker 4: It ain't bro, My sax still got paid.

1086
00:57:26,520 --> 00:57:30,400
Speaker 2: This man was making three to five hundred million dollars

1087
00:57:30,440 --> 00:57:34,840
Speaker 2: off of merch off of Sean John clothing, and he

1088
00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:37,160
Speaker 2: could give it twenty nine thousand dollars. He had nine

1089
00:57:37,160 --> 00:57:38,479
Speaker 2: thousand in his fanny pack.

1090
00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:42,080
Speaker 1: Wait, why that little why that little far because he

1091
00:57:42,120 --> 00:57:48,440
Speaker 1: had them up that.

1092
00:57:48,600 --> 00:57:51,320
Speaker 4: I don't know why it does that sometimes do that Like.

1093
00:57:51,320 --> 00:57:58,880
Speaker 1: I'm about to drop some some real mar sam My

1094
00:57:59,040 --> 00:58:03,000
Speaker 1: thing though, is like to your point, can even the

1095
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:06,240
Speaker 1: the Diddy Dirty Money era? No, not that there, but

1096
00:58:06,280 --> 00:58:08,479
Speaker 1: like the when they went through the whole MTV making

1097
00:58:08,520 --> 00:58:09,160
Speaker 1: the band stuff.

1098
00:58:09,360 --> 00:58:11,760
Speaker 3: Remember one of them said, I went, he.

1099
00:58:11,960 --> 00:58:14,040
Speaker 1: Gave him all contracts and said you got twenty four

1100
00:58:14,040 --> 00:58:17,280
Speaker 1: hours to read over this and sign it or else

1101
00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:19,920
Speaker 1: type shit. The lawyer is that she wanted to do.

1102
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:22,080
Speaker 1: He literally said, listen, I'm gonna tell you this right now.

1103
00:58:23,240 --> 00:58:25,360
Speaker 1: He is selling you fame, not fortune.

1104
00:58:25,560 --> 00:58:25,760
Speaker 4: Yep.

1105
00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:27,800
Speaker 3: And she was like, and I signed a contract that.

1106
00:58:28,320 --> 00:58:31,360
Speaker 3: I'm like, what, they'll.

1107
00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:33,560
Speaker 4: Still make it. I mean, I get how that happens,

1108
00:58:33,600 --> 00:58:34,200
Speaker 4: especially if.

1109
00:58:34,120 --> 00:58:38,120
Speaker 1: You're young, you're poor, you come from a certain neighborhood,

1110
00:58:38,200 --> 00:58:41,200
Speaker 1: and you don't really have a system behind you. Because

1111
00:58:41,240 --> 00:58:43,160
Speaker 1: I was with you, Nick, I was like, why the

1112
00:58:43,240 --> 00:58:44,959
Speaker 1: fuck did you sign that ship?

1113
00:58:45,440 --> 00:58:47,920
Speaker 4: And then I thought about it. I'm like, I get it.

1114
00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:50,080
Speaker 1: If you call from the hood, I get why you'd

1115
00:58:50,080 --> 00:58:51,280
Speaker 1: be like, hey man, I'm just trying to get out

1116
00:58:51,280 --> 00:58:51,600
Speaker 1: the hood.

1117
00:58:52,040 --> 00:58:52,880
Speaker 4: I get that mic.

1118
00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:55,400
Speaker 1: But at the same time, if someone's telling you you're

1119
00:58:55,480 --> 00:58:59,360
Speaker 1: literally not going to get paid, it kind of takes

1120
00:58:59,400 --> 00:59:02,040
Speaker 1: away the you're young, you know that, because it's like,

1121
00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:05,440
Speaker 1: I'm really telling you as much as your lawyer. It's

1122
00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:08,320
Speaker 1: not even like his lawyer or whatever, some goofball off

1123
00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:11,560
Speaker 1: the street. He's whoever was representing you and saying, bruh,

1124
00:59:11,640 --> 00:59:17,040
Speaker 1: this ain't eight. I get you, yeah, but I'll sigre

1125
00:59:17,880 --> 00:59:21,480
Speaker 1: it's predatory and those kind of those kind of people

1126
00:59:21,600 --> 00:59:25,640
Speaker 1: know who to do that shit to, like those label people.

1127
00:59:25,680 --> 00:59:29,320
Speaker 1: They know who to fuck over with three sixty deals,

1128
00:59:29,720 --> 00:59:31,920
Speaker 1: they know who to take advantage of. So I get

1129
00:59:32,440 --> 00:59:34,680
Speaker 1: how all those people from making the band because nobody

1130
00:59:34,720 --> 00:59:39,400
Speaker 1: knew any of them. Ne's was the only one that

1131
00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:41,600
Speaker 1: I believe had a little bit of buzz going around

1132
00:59:41,600 --> 00:59:44,320
Speaker 1: because he was a battle rapper unless I'm messed up

1133
00:59:44,320 --> 00:59:48,200
Speaker 1: the timeline, but either way, nobody knew them, so I

1134
00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:50,440
Speaker 1: see why they'd be like, shit, we got an MTV

1135
00:59:50,560 --> 00:59:55,520
Speaker 1: show and Diddy even though this contract says He's not

1136
00:59:55,560 --> 00:59:58,760
Speaker 1: gonna give us no money. I'm gonna be famous, so

1137
00:59:58,760 --> 01:00:01,400
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get money and just where you know what

1138
01:00:01,440 --> 01:00:04,360
Speaker 1: I mean. So I know what happens, but I'm with you, Nick.

1139
01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:07,600
Speaker 1: It's sad that these motherfuckers really thought that shit was

1140
01:00:07,600 --> 01:00:10,040
Speaker 1: gonna be different for them. And then on top of that,

1141
01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:13,200
Speaker 1: the again growing up, I remember the making the band

1142
01:00:13,240 --> 01:00:16,280
Speaker 1: stuff and him telling them to go walk to from Manhattan.

1143
01:00:16,440 --> 01:00:19,040
Speaker 3: Bro, Bro, Mike, I think you lived You've lived out

1144
01:00:19,040 --> 01:00:20,800
Speaker 3: in New York but everybody. I think y'all all been

1145
01:00:20,840 --> 01:00:21,280
Speaker 3: to New York.

1146
01:00:21,760 --> 01:00:25,680
Speaker 4: Manhattan to Brooklyn is not up the strump. You can't

1147
01:00:25,680 --> 01:00:26,000
Speaker 4: do that.

1148
01:00:26,040 --> 01:00:28,640
Speaker 1: It's especially at night at that I don't know what

1149
01:00:28,640 --> 01:00:30,720
Speaker 1: what season it was, but in New York once they

1150
01:00:30,760 --> 01:00:32,360
Speaker 1: hit win the time, that shit is crazy.

1151
01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:35,880
Speaker 3: You're not walking that. Even though girls said that, she

1152
01:00:36,080 --> 01:00:38,520
Speaker 3: was like, I'm from here, I don't.

1153
01:00:38,880 --> 01:00:44,160
Speaker 1: Sh I've never believed that story, and I still don't.

1154
01:00:44,440 --> 01:00:46,439
Speaker 1: I don't think that happened. I don't because I don't

1155
01:00:46,440 --> 01:00:50,280
Speaker 1: think it's physically possible for a motherfucker to walk from

1156
01:00:50,320 --> 01:00:55,120
Speaker 1: Brooklyn to Manhattan at night. So I thought that was

1157
01:00:55,160 --> 01:00:57,160
Speaker 1: just dumped up for the show or something, because there

1158
01:00:57,200 --> 01:00:58,240
Speaker 1: ain't no fucking way.

1159
01:00:58,320 --> 01:00:58,480
Speaker 4: Bro.

1160
01:00:59,120 --> 01:01:01,240
Speaker 2: It seemed like they.

1161
01:01:00,720 --> 01:01:02,560
Speaker 4: I don't think they did it for some cheesecake.

1162
01:01:04,240 --> 01:01:07,120
Speaker 2: How bad do you want it?

1163
01:01:07,760 --> 01:01:10,600
Speaker 4: Because ordered because ordered it happily.

1164
01:01:10,280 --> 01:01:17,040
Speaker 3: He was like the apple.

1165
01:01:19,040 --> 01:01:19,560
Speaker 4: So Nick.

1166
01:01:20,160 --> 01:01:22,720
Speaker 1: So it says that you could walk from Brooklyn Manhattan

1167
01:01:22,760 --> 01:01:26,440
Speaker 1: in about three hours. For some reason, I thought it

1168
01:01:26,480 --> 01:01:29,080
Speaker 1: was further than that. No, No, I'm just saying I

1169
01:01:29,120 --> 01:01:31,320
Speaker 1: knew it wasn't. It's not like a day long trip.

1170
01:01:31,360 --> 01:01:33,600
Speaker 1: It's not walking state to state. But New York is

1171
01:01:33,600 --> 01:01:36,880
Speaker 1: not a small city. The Burroughs are very spread out,

1172
01:01:38,360 --> 01:01:41,480
Speaker 1: So even attempting to make that walks like unless my

1173
01:01:41,800 --> 01:01:44,840
Speaker 1: child or my mom is like sick and whatever.

1174
01:01:44,920 --> 01:01:47,120
Speaker 3: I'm not even considering it. And that's even just to

1175
01:01:47,160 --> 01:01:47,720
Speaker 3: take the train.

1176
01:01:48,160 --> 01:01:48,640
Speaker 4: Most things.

1177
01:01:48,640 --> 01:01:50,120
Speaker 3: Don't even take the train out there.

1178
01:01:50,680 --> 01:01:55,320
Speaker 1: To walk for some cheesecake for Diddy. Hell no, I'm

1179
01:01:55,440 --> 01:01:58,040
Speaker 1: even to show that that. After that sentence, he says,

1180
01:01:58,160 --> 01:01:59,000
Speaker 1: I'm off the show.

1181
01:01:59,360 --> 01:01:59,840
Speaker 2: I'm gone.

1182
01:02:00,160 --> 01:02:02,840
Speaker 4: Bab wasn't going nowhere, Nick, she didn't have no other options.

1183
01:02:04,680 --> 01:02:05,840
Speaker 4: Bavs wasn't going no.

1184
01:02:06,800 --> 01:02:10,600
Speaker 3: She like she was side of still happy and excited retailers.

1185
01:02:11,840 --> 01:02:14,439
Speaker 4: And I feel her, I do. I get it.

1186
01:02:14,440 --> 01:02:17,760
Speaker 1: It's like you don't have options, you don't have she

1187
01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:20,800
Speaker 1: knows that if it wasn't for this show that kind

1188
01:02:20,800 --> 01:02:22,920
Speaker 1: of made me look like a fool, maybe I wouldn't

1189
01:02:22,960 --> 01:02:24,880
Speaker 1: be where I'm at. Maybe she got opportunities from that.

1190
01:02:25,360 --> 01:02:27,440
Speaker 1: I'm sure they all did. I'm sure Nests wouldn't have

1191
01:02:27,440 --> 01:02:30,760
Speaker 1: been anywhere near as big of a battle rapper as

1192
01:02:30,760 --> 01:02:32,880
Speaker 1: he got to be if it wasn't for that show.

1193
01:02:33,720 --> 01:02:36,480
Speaker 1: That's what I'm thinking. I could be totally wrong, but

1194
01:02:37,720 --> 01:02:39,280
Speaker 1: I don't know, man, I get it.

1195
01:02:39,440 --> 01:02:40,880
Speaker 4: I get it. It sucks though.

1196
01:02:41,480 --> 01:02:44,400
Speaker 2: Yeah. Last couple of things, just a couple of notes.

1197
01:02:44,800 --> 01:02:48,600
Speaker 2: Uh oh, I don't know. Yeah, I'm sorry.

1198
01:02:48,640 --> 01:02:49,480
Speaker 4: One last thing.

1199
01:02:52,080 --> 01:02:55,280
Speaker 1: Diddy fucked up when he thought he could do that

1200
01:02:55,320 --> 01:02:58,920
Speaker 1: shit to the white girl. Now, when he was doing

1201
01:02:58,960 --> 01:03:01,880
Speaker 1: that shit to all these poor black folks.

1202
01:03:02,720 --> 01:03:04,919
Speaker 4: I got how he thought he can get away with it.

1203
01:03:05,080 --> 01:03:07,560
Speaker 4: But I was like, I don't know.

1204
01:03:07,520 --> 01:03:11,960
Speaker 1: Anything about this Audrey girl. She don't look like she's

1205
01:03:11,960 --> 01:03:15,680
Speaker 1: from the hood, bro. She looks like she got you know,

1206
01:03:16,280 --> 01:03:22,760
Speaker 1: she got an uncle or a cousin that's in law enforcement.

1207
01:03:23,680 --> 01:03:24,920
Speaker 4: So I don't know why.

1208
01:03:24,840 --> 01:03:27,520
Speaker 1: The fuck did he thought he was He thought he

1209
01:03:27,600 --> 01:03:30,840
Speaker 1: was so powerful he could take to white people. You

1210
01:03:30,880 --> 01:03:34,600
Speaker 1: remember the email he sent to her now, But if

1211
01:03:34,600 --> 01:03:36,400
Speaker 1: you don't want to, I'm gonna go back.

1212
01:03:41,200 --> 01:03:43,040
Speaker 3: Like it was a kid like it was the way

1213
01:03:43,040 --> 01:03:43,720
Speaker 3: he had an email.

1214
01:03:43,760 --> 01:03:51,360
Speaker 1: He was like, God, bless God.

1215
01:03:48,680 --> 01:03:51,360
Speaker 4: Put God first. I'm like, you just said.

1216
01:03:51,160 --> 01:03:51,760
Speaker 2: You want.

1217
01:03:53,400 --> 01:03:53,920
Speaker 4: What is.

1218
01:03:56,040 --> 01:03:57,840
Speaker 3: Say with that?

1219
01:03:58,080 --> 01:03:59,880
Speaker 4: She said, he emailed her dictics.

1220
01:04:00,120 --> 01:04:04,480
Speaker 3: I'm like, and his signature is God bless bruh.

1221
01:04:05,600 --> 01:04:09,200
Speaker 1: And the saddest thing this is the part that really

1222
01:04:09,320 --> 01:04:11,120
Speaker 1: was just like God, I wish I had to watch

1223
01:04:11,160 --> 01:04:14,920
Speaker 1: this When she said that she didn't even know she

1224
01:04:15,160 --> 01:04:19,600
Speaker 1: was assaulted, and she said somebody else either had a

1225
01:04:19,640 --> 01:04:23,720
Speaker 1: picture or a video or something and she had no idea.

1226
01:04:23,840 --> 01:04:29,480
Speaker 1: She's like, I don't even remember that. This dude, Diddy

1227
01:04:29,720 --> 01:04:34,000
Speaker 1: is a fucking monster, a monster.

1228
01:04:36,240 --> 01:04:37,040
Speaker 2: That poor girl.

1229
01:04:37,120 --> 01:04:43,160
Speaker 4: Man, God damn that poor girl. Yep, all these poor people,

1230
01:04:43,240 --> 01:04:43,680
Speaker 4: not just her.

1231
01:04:43,880 --> 01:04:47,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, the hand sanitized thing was crazy.

1232
01:04:48,720 --> 01:04:51,280
Speaker 4: I don't think that's crazy. I would be on that one, y'all.

1233
01:04:51,320 --> 01:04:52,520
Speaker 4: I don't think that's crazy.

1234
01:04:53,920 --> 01:04:57,040
Speaker 1: If I'm tapping up thirty people, I'm gonna need sanitize her.

1235
01:04:59,160 --> 01:05:01,320
Speaker 2: I guess you can logically make that makes sense.

1236
01:05:02,720 --> 01:05:04,560
Speaker 1: When he said in the cards, like y'all just hould

1237
01:05:04,640 --> 01:05:06,080
Speaker 1: like one hundred fifty people I need to take He

1238
01:05:07,120 --> 01:05:10,920
Speaker 1: said that basketball I gotta be hot. Hey kid, I've

1239
01:05:10,960 --> 01:05:13,840
Speaker 1: been out here in New York. You yeah, you hugged

1240
01:05:13,840 --> 01:05:14,880
Speaker 1: five six niggas.

1241
01:05:14,920 --> 01:05:17,600
Speaker 4: You like, I gotta go take her, all right?

1242
01:05:17,760 --> 01:05:22,760
Speaker 2: So I don't know if I believe, and well, I

1243
01:05:22,760 --> 01:05:24,919
Speaker 2: don't know the way he was taking drugs. When guy

1244
01:05:24,960 --> 01:05:26,720
Speaker 2: said he was trying to get somebody to scene like

1245
01:05:26,760 --> 01:05:29,520
Speaker 2: Michael Jackson finally got, he said he don't. He danced

1246
01:05:29,520 --> 01:05:31,280
Speaker 2: four hours to that one song.

1247
01:05:32,120 --> 01:05:33,440
Speaker 4: That did he did. I believe that.

1248
01:05:33,800 --> 01:05:35,959
Speaker 3: I believe bro Ken. He danced them.

1249
01:05:36,960 --> 01:05:43,440
Speaker 4: He danced the majority of his knock. Yeah, okay, you've

1250
01:05:43,440 --> 01:05:44,280
Speaker 4: ever been to a raid.

1251
01:05:44,800 --> 01:05:47,440
Speaker 1: Those motherfuckers dance for twelve fucking hours, and I can

1252
01:05:47,440 --> 01:05:50,200
Speaker 1: tell you from personal experience it's crazy and they're all

1253
01:05:50,240 --> 01:05:50,880
Speaker 1: on drugs.

1254
01:05:51,240 --> 01:05:52,680
Speaker 4: So that ship I believe.

1255
01:05:53,720 --> 01:05:56,600
Speaker 2: And the last thing I think burrows because he basically

1256
01:05:56,600 --> 01:05:59,600
Speaker 2: told the whole damn shit like he was the lead guy.

1257
01:05:59,680 --> 01:06:02,000
Speaker 2: But they saved this one to the end when he

1258
01:06:02,160 --> 01:06:04,800
Speaker 2: was like, he said that did he did some sexually

1259
01:06:04,920 --> 01:06:09,479
Speaker 2: deviant stuff? It's his words to him. Oh that was sad. Yeah, yeah,

1260
01:06:09,560 --> 01:06:14,000
Speaker 2: he didn't. He didn't not go into any detail. You know,

1261
01:06:14,080 --> 01:06:15,800
Speaker 2: he had that pause and he was just like, yeah,

1262
01:06:15,880 --> 01:06:18,760
Speaker 2: sexual deviant stuff and he just left it at that.

1263
01:06:18,920 --> 01:06:21,960
Speaker 2: And then I think he was alluded to he had

1264
01:06:22,000 --> 01:06:24,840
Speaker 2: been homeless and broke. I mean, you built this thing up,

1265
01:06:24,920 --> 01:06:27,200
Speaker 2: bro twenty five percent. He just can't take it and

1266
01:06:27,240 --> 01:06:31,080
Speaker 2: then you just get fired and then you just on

1267
01:06:31,160 --> 01:06:33,120
Speaker 2: the streets, which was you.

1268
01:06:33,040 --> 01:06:35,320
Speaker 3: Know, to see then to see the heights that it

1269
01:06:35,840 --> 01:06:36,960
Speaker 3: went to, you know.

1270
01:06:37,120 --> 01:06:42,160
Speaker 4: Like, man, yeah, that was that was awful.

1271
01:06:42,200 --> 01:06:44,080
Speaker 1: The fact that, like you said, can he didn't even

1272
01:06:44,080 --> 01:06:46,040
Speaker 1: want to say what happened. He didn't even want to

1273
01:06:46,080 --> 01:06:49,320
Speaker 1: go into detail. He's like sexually deviant stuff. That's all

1274
01:06:49,320 --> 01:06:51,760
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say. I was like, man, that that dude's

1275
01:06:51,760 --> 01:06:55,720
Speaker 1: been through some ship. That dude is definitely ship some.

1276
01:06:55,680 --> 01:07:04,240
Speaker 2: Stuff, all right, Well, any final thoughts, he didn't.

1277
01:07:04,480 --> 01:07:06,439
Speaker 4: I mean, it just sucks that he wasn't on trial

1278
01:07:06,480 --> 01:07:08,800
Speaker 4: for domestic violence. That's that's the part that sucks.

1279
01:07:10,080 --> 01:07:12,480
Speaker 1: It sucks that he was only on trial for the

1280
01:07:12,520 --> 01:07:14,919
Speaker 1: ship that the prosecutors knew they couldn't even fucking prove.

1281
01:07:16,400 --> 01:07:18,280
Speaker 4: That's the part that I hate because Diddy should be.

1282
01:07:19,720 --> 01:07:22,000
Speaker 1: Even as someone that doesn't like jail, Diddy should be

1283
01:07:22,040 --> 01:07:25,680
Speaker 1: in jail. Bro, Diddy should be in jail getting his

1284
01:07:26,840 --> 01:07:28,840
Speaker 1: see I can't even say his ass, well, but you know,

1285
01:07:28,920 --> 01:07:33,040
Speaker 1: getting beat down every day every day, just beating the

1286
01:07:33,080 --> 01:07:35,960
Speaker 1: ship out of him because that he is a fucking

1287
01:07:36,280 --> 01:07:37,760
Speaker 1: disgusting human.

1288
01:07:39,240 --> 01:07:42,200
Speaker 4: And anybody that's still defending him, I just don't understand, y'all.

1289
01:07:42,320 --> 01:07:43,160
Speaker 4: I really don't.

1290
01:07:44,600 --> 01:07:49,560
Speaker 2: I thought that was interesting at the end, the idolization

1291
01:07:49,680 --> 01:07:55,280
Speaker 2: that they had, you know, the comments about losing kings

1292
01:07:55,360 --> 01:07:58,760
Speaker 2: and you know, and the guy was like, Bro, they

1293
01:07:58,800 --> 01:08:00,960
Speaker 2: never did anything for you.

1294
01:08:01,040 --> 01:08:01,480
Speaker 4: Nothing.

1295
01:08:02,440 --> 01:08:05,280
Speaker 2: Diddy has done nothing for you. He didn't do ship

1296
01:08:05,400 --> 01:08:09,480
Speaker 2: for the people that were make that made him money exactly.

1297
01:08:09,600 --> 01:08:13,080
Speaker 1: The only way I rationalized that because like you said earlier, Mike,

1298
01:08:13,120 --> 01:08:15,200
Speaker 1: I'm never gonna really I'm not gonna return to this doc.

1299
01:08:15,560 --> 01:08:17,639
Speaker 3: So those are my last thoughts on the doc.

1300
01:08:17,680 --> 01:08:20,320
Speaker 1: But for the defend people defending him, the only way

1301
01:08:20,320 --> 01:08:22,760
Speaker 1: I can justify it or say anything to it is

1302
01:08:22,800 --> 01:08:26,439
Speaker 1: that they've like they've grown up with this man, his music,

1303
01:08:27,200 --> 01:08:29,960
Speaker 1: his you know, his influence, and they feel like it's

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01:08:30,000 --> 01:08:31,760
Speaker 1: a you know how black people are, Like if it's

1305
01:08:31,760 --> 01:08:33,439
Speaker 1: only a few of us, like re certain heights, we

1306
01:08:33,479 --> 01:08:35,200
Speaker 1: feel like they're a part of our family or they're

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01:08:35,200 --> 01:08:35,719
Speaker 1: a part of.

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Speaker 3: Our like story as well.

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01:08:38,479 --> 01:08:41,160
Speaker 1: So like if that's getting taken down, then that's a

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01:08:41,160 --> 01:08:44,040
Speaker 1: part of my memories in my childhood that's getting taken down.

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01:08:44,120 --> 01:08:45,880
Speaker 1: And like you know what I'm saying, Like people attach

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01:08:45,960 --> 01:08:48,880
Speaker 1: themselves to a certain At this point, he was an

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01:08:49,040 --> 01:08:51,040
Speaker 1: entity because you didn't know him as a person. Like

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01:08:51,080 --> 01:08:52,720
Speaker 1: it's just like you get attached to that, and you like,

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01:08:52,720 --> 01:08:55,360
Speaker 1: I got to defend it because that's a part of me. Yeah,

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01:08:55,360 --> 01:08:58,880
Speaker 1: And I think that those people need therapy too, very badly.

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01:08:58,960 --> 01:09:02,160
Speaker 1: If you if you have that level of a parasocial

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01:09:02,160 --> 01:09:06,040
Speaker 1: relationship or idol worship, then you need to you need

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01:09:06,080 --> 01:09:10,080
Speaker 1: to seek help because these people have never done anything

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01:09:10,120 --> 01:09:12,000
Speaker 1: for you. And I got abusers in my family that

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01:09:12,040 --> 01:09:14,000
Speaker 1: I've cut off, So if I can cut my own

1322
01:09:14,120 --> 01:09:16,679
Speaker 1: actual family off, I can certainly cut off this fake

1323
01:09:16,760 --> 01:09:19,080
Speaker 1: family because Denny's not gonna ever. Look, he don't even

1324
01:09:19,120 --> 01:09:22,720
Speaker 1: loan his friend's money, So Denny's never gonna loan me money.

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01:09:22,800 --> 01:09:26,240
Speaker 1: So what benefit does anybody have to defend someone that's

1326
01:09:26,280 --> 01:09:29,760
Speaker 1: done this disgusting ship? I think it says a lot

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Speaker 1: about people that do that, especially but how they feel

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Speaker 1: about women.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, and and manipulating the community to gain that support,

1330
01:09:40,520 --> 01:09:45,759
Speaker 2: and the and using social media to to suaye people's opinions,

1331
01:09:47,080 --> 01:09:50,400
Speaker 2: you know, all that stuff, just taking advantage of people

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01:09:50,400 --> 01:09:53,160
Speaker 2: out there. You know, it's more of what he does.

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Speaker 2: But that's it, man, That's that's that's Those are our

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01:09:57,680 --> 01:10:02,920
Speaker 2: thoughts on the Diddy documentary about about fifty And who's

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01:10:02,920 --> 01:10:05,200
Speaker 2: the director's name? I want to shout her because fifty

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01:10:05,240 --> 01:10:06,080
Speaker 2: was the one that just got it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Alexandria, what was it like?

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01:10:12,080 --> 01:10:12,720
Speaker 2: I don't even know.

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01:10:12,760 --> 01:10:13,800
Speaker 4: Let me look it up real quick.

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01:10:15,880 --> 01:10:16,080
Speaker 1: Nah.

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01:10:16,760 --> 01:10:18,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I thought it was something like that.

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01:10:19,320 --> 01:10:24,360
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, Alexandria Stapleton, yeah is the one. Yeah, But

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01:10:24,920 --> 01:10:27,080
Speaker 2: fifty was the one that kind of gave it, you know,

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01:10:27,120 --> 01:10:29,799
Speaker 2: a little bit more amplification with the footage and stuff

1345
01:10:29,840 --> 01:10:33,519
Speaker 2: like that and publicity, you know, because I don't know

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01:10:33,560 --> 01:10:37,240
Speaker 2: how many people would have actually watched it if if

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01:10:37,240 --> 01:10:41,719
Speaker 2: it wasn't for that controversy. But but yeah, but shout

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01:10:41,720 --> 01:10:43,320
Speaker 2: out to her. I think she did an amazing job.

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01:10:43,320 --> 01:10:45,799
Speaker 4: I think she did a good job, really well done.

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Speaker 2: Mm hmm. So we leave it there, man, We cut

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Speaker 2: you guys. Next time, we off peace.