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Speaker 2: I was wondering when we were to get to Indiana

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Speaker 2: Jones mark dyked and well played, well done.

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Speaker 3: QB one, it's we're rolling with here.

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Speaker 2: Oh my goodness. We got a lot of folks with

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Speaker 2: opinions on QB one. On the fan text line it

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Speaker 2: changer named in seventy today.

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Speaker 4: I like Dan Jones.

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Speaker 5: You think Dan Jones could be a new Dan Jones,

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Speaker 5: maybe sweat over technically like Daniel Jones the Third or

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Speaker 5: something like that.

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Speaker 4: I thought it, really yes, by the way, somebody close

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Speaker 4: quarterback Dan Jones, I could see that happen.

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Speaker 2: Somebody pointed out.

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Speaker 3: To me Stephen Jones the third.

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Speaker 2: And they are right that by you know, if he

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Speaker 2: wins the first two games and they go into their

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Speaker 2: first divisional game two and now I'll be like, hey,

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Speaker 2: Daniel Jones, go.

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Speaker 4: Win the first two games. He just got to win

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Speaker 4: the first. If he went the first game, they're gonna

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Speaker 4: be carrying.

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Speaker 2: Right on the shoulders.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: First season opening win if there were the case.

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Speaker 5: Man, the problem with Dan Jones is Dan Jones Rode

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Speaker 5: in Avon has lots of accidents, a lot of the

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Speaker 5: time of construction going on, usually a lot of work

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Speaker 5: in progress.

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Speaker 3: So hopefully Mark you'll know Dan Ryan is the one

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Speaker 3: that got me.

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Speaker 2: Lord, but you got you got almost had on a

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Speaker 2: one way this morning trying.

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Speaker 3: To get into work.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, anybody just out there and this is I got

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Speaker 7: a few people on the YouTube Chaho were laughing about

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Speaker 7: this me coming in a little like seven dash oh one.

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Speaker 7: If you get into a fenderbinder, you can't just stop

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Speaker 7: in the middle of the street.

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Speaker 3: In on one way. I'm like, you gotta move up

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Speaker 3: around a little bit.

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Speaker 7: So yeah, I had to be a little bit of

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Speaker 7: a you know, I won't say jerk this morning, but

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Speaker 7: a little bit stern, like, hey, let's get some pep

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Speaker 7: in our step and in our cars for that matter.

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Speaker 7: As you wait for the police to I don't know,

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Speaker 7: follow reports, I'm like, I paid money to watch you

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Speaker 7: be stern.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: No, I mean, I'm honestly.

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Speaker 8: Yeah.

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Speaker 7: I don't usually use my horn, but I was like, hey, man,

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Speaker 7: I do want to get to work. And obviously today,

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Speaker 7: of all days, I got to be there.

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Speaker 2: Mark never uses his horn, do you.

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Speaker 9: Mark for fingers?

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Speaker 2: All right, let's get to the text, Liant. I don't

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Speaker 2: even want to know what the answer to that is.

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Speaker 2: Two threy nine ten seventy is the number to call

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Speaker 2: Mike checking in. It's been a Colts fan since they

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Speaker 2: got here. The cults have started to remind him of

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Speaker 2: the late eighties early nineties, having a different quarterback every

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Speaker 2: year or other. Stability has departed from the organization. By

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Speaker 2: the time we find a QB, we will have to

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Speaker 2: get rid of some key players, or it'll be that

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Speaker 2: they can't expect these players to wait on a leader

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Speaker 2: that's not even on the team right now. If you

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Speaker 2: expected Jones to be a leader, just look at the

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Speaker 2: time he was a giant. What we have here is

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Speaker 2: a dumpster fire. It's time to clean house. Love the show.

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Speaker 2: I don't know I'm that far, but it's not good.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna say no, no, no, you sounded that far.

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Speaker 3: And the opening because I'm.

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Speaker 2: Frustrated right now. I am frustrated right now.

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Speaker 10: Elaborates, I don't know that I call me. I wouldn't

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Speaker 10: call it a I'm not at dumpster fire level. I'm

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Speaker 10: at as I said, we're in safety mode. The inch's

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Speaker 10: not gonna blow up, but we're not gonna be able

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Speaker 10: to go more than thirty five miles an hour.

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Speaker 7: That's probably a good way to put it. Honestly, I

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Speaker 7: think that they thought, hey, we can win with a

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Speaker 7: more conservative, less erratic quarterback. My only pushback to as

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Speaker 7: far as the consistency and safety mode of Daniel Jones

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Speaker 7: is that he's not throughout his career outside of twenty

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Speaker 7: twenty two, he hasn't really been that player. And yes,

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Speaker 7: his competion percentage is over sixty percent for his career.

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Speaker 7: I think it's one of I want to say sixty

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Speaker 7: a pretty good percentage. But again, and I'm not here

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Speaker 7: sitting saying, oh my gosh, kem, they benched Anthony again.

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Speaker 7: He had He's had a rough go of it his

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Speaker 7: first two years. His camp wasn't all that great. To me,

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Speaker 7: No one really won. That battle was more like the

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Speaker 7: picking the less lesser of two eagles. But for Daniel Jones,

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Speaker 7: I just don't want to go too far the other

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Speaker 7: way with inflating what we've seen documented a lot. I mean,

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Speaker 7: the guy is twenty games under five hundred as a

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Speaker 7: quarterback in the NFL. Now, I get that that isn't

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Speaker 7: all on him, and he had some certainly some organizational

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Speaker 7: issues with the Giants, but that doesn't mean he gets

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Speaker 7: absolved and everything either.

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Speaker 3: So that's that's kind of where I'm at.

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Speaker 6: Kevin.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, hell, he's played what seventy seven games,

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Speaker 4: and I want to say he's sixty nine. He's nearing

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Speaker 4: one hundred turnovers in his career. So you know, when

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Speaker 4: you think about consistency, certainly not from a ball security standpoint. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I think Colts frustration from fans is rooted in a

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Speaker 4: couple different areas. One, they've seen this song and danced before.

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Speaker 4: They feel like Dan Jones is just Jacoby Brissett, He's

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Speaker 4: Carson Wentz, He's Gardner Minshew, he's Joe Flacco, he's Matt Ryan.

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Speaker 4: You know, the Colts have attempted this sort of safe

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Speaker 4: band aid operation and it's gotten you to this point

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Speaker 4: now six years into the Andrew Luck post playing career,

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Speaker 4: and so I think that's where probably a lot of

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Speaker 4: the frustration, And honestly, yesterday for me was just a

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Speaker 4: further reminder of as we sit here right now August twentieth,

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Speaker 4: heading into Anthony Richardson's year three in the NFL, the

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Speaker 4: pick has just been an utter organizational failure. It was

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Speaker 4: a failure in thinking that development could occur on and

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Speaker 4: off the field. And you can go back to that

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Speaker 4: draft whatever, not offering Carolina what needed to be offered.

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Speaker 4: He gets to the number one pick and have your

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Speaker 4: choice of those quarterbacks. Your franchise quarterback is not supposed

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Speaker 4: to be holding the Microsoft surface. I would say clipboard,

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Speaker 4: but I need to go with the times. Not supposed

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Speaker 4: to be holding the Microsoft surface heading into year three.

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Speaker 4: So staff wise, it's been the same operation. It's been

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Speaker 4: three years. You know, when Andrew Luck was drafted, Chuck

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Speaker 4: quarterback coach. That Arian's in Christensen resume a little different

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Speaker 4: the first substantial backup Evandrew lux career, Matt Hasselbeck. That's

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Speaker 4: a little different than Gardner. Mitchell wanted no part of

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Speaker 4: teaching Anthony Richardson, Joe Flacco, he wanted to teach as

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Speaker 4: much as James Boyd wants to be a father right now. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: and obviously Daniel Jones is trying to resurrect his career.

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Speaker 4: So you've never gone with that sort of hey, even

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Speaker 4: Who did Daniel Jones have in New York when he

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Speaker 4: got drafted Eli Manning to you know, obviously watch how

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Speaker 4: his work ethic played out there. So again, to me,

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Speaker 4: it's just an organizational failure so far with Anthony Richardson,

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Speaker 4: and so much of it is rooted in the misevaluation

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Speaker 4: to just Shane Steichen's blinders and think believing, no, no, no,

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Speaker 4: I can get this guy to whatever an acceptable level,

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Speaker 4: and obviously that's not happened at all.

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Speaker 7: I think you made a very good point there, Kevin,

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Speaker 7: and celebrate on that more and probably put it more blunner.

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Speaker 7: If that is a proper way to use the term.

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Speaker 2: I think we'd go blunt.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, blunt, lee blunt or whatever.

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Speaker 2: Blunt.

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Speaker 4: We're twenty somewhere.

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Speaker 7: I think that yesterday was an admittance by the franchise

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Speaker 7: that they whift on the most important pick of the

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Speaker 7: Chris Ballard era. That's as plainly and succinct as I

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Speaker 7: can put it. You missed, That is what all of

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Speaker 7: this looks like. Now you can tell us you have

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Speaker 7: a plan for Anthony Richardson, This isn't the end, and

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Speaker 7: you have these two timelines you're trying to win right now,

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Speaker 7: But we're gonna still believe in our guy. The bottom

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Speaker 7: line is, you drafted a player number four overall a

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Speaker 7: couple of years ago, the highest drafted player since Andrew

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Speaker 7: Luck to become your next Andrew Luck, is to become

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Speaker 7: your long term answer at the quarterback position, and you

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Speaker 7: failed miserably, and you're trying to find a life.

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Speaker 3: Raft and a life voat, and the driver of that

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Speaker 7: The moment is Daniel Jones, who, by the way, has

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Speaker 7: not had much success getting you to the island.

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Speaker 3: So I just don't I don't know.

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Speaker 7: I understand the decision again, and going from manthey Richardson,

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Speaker 7: I can't sit up here and say it's not, you know,

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Speaker 7: mostly on him, I would think because of the injuries

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Speaker 7: Inaccuracy being on another big factor. However, again, man, what

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Speaker 7: a decision to make when you have to choose between

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Speaker 3: Does not work.

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Speaker 7: But that does not work, I mean at minimum you

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Speaker 7: got to make the playoffs. Anything below that would I

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Speaker 7: would be hard for me to say why anybody should

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Speaker 4: Yeah, honestly, I think you can make the argument of

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Speaker 4: the scariest part might be the Colts scratching call on

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Speaker 4: their way to like nine or ten wins, and then

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Speaker 4: you give Daniel Jones a three year, sixty million dollar contract.

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Speaker 7: I don't blame the coaching staff for necessarily pivoting towards.

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Speaker 4: Right right.

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Speaker 3: I mean, your job is to win.

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Speaker 4: And that's where Carli ers Gordon's gonna have to step

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Speaker 4: in and make probably even a harder call because how

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Speaker 4: do you view this regime right now? Because you know,

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Speaker 4: if Chris Ballard's handing you his resume, he doesn't want

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Speaker 4: you to look at the playoff aspect to the resume.

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Speaker 4: One playoff win in nine years, zero division titles. And

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Speaker 4: then also if you wanted to play that, well, you

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Speaker 4: know we've got the young draft pick and it's going

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Speaker 4: to take a little bit more time for further evaluation. Well,

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Speaker 4: the most prized resource from a draft pick standpoint, this

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Speaker 4: franchise has had in what thirteen years, the fourth overall

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Speaker 4: ear piece here coming up two weeks from Sunday. That's

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Speaker 2: So I'll tell you the last team that did that

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Speaker 2: He shouldn't even be in the NFL if so he

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Speaker 2: And why we keep defending or people calling and say

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Speaker 2: And here's how I would address that. Is Anthony Richardson

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Speaker 2: No he's not. Is Daniel Jones, No he's not. It

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Speaker 3: See Okay, can I push back on that?

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Speaker 2: You can push back. I'm just saying.

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Speaker 7: It does in age matter when you still have to

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Speaker 3: So I just don't you.

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Speaker 4: Think he commands on the open market? Not much, though,

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Speaker 5: I saw trade proposals for the Rams and the Colts,

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Speaker 7: Even take the end out of that fifth and what

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Speaker 3: At this point, I don't really care much.

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Speaker 4: I think it's almost impossible for anyone to stand on

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Speaker 4: and have no one poke holes in it. Like how

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Speaker 4: many times yesterday did I say to you guys, whatever

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Speaker 4: particularly in this conference. Like we're talking about the AFC

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Speaker 4: in a golden era of quarterbacks. They all are still young,

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Speaker 4: and we're not even going with Joe Burrow in Cincinnati

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Speaker 4: or you're gonna opt for that twenty twenty six draft.

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Speaker 4: You have to go and find the quarterback that tries

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Speaker 4: Daniel Jones is those band aid type quarterbacks. They're just

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Speaker 4: going to keep you stuck in quarterback purgatory. And if

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Speaker 2: You're not wrong. And again, when I stumped for Anthony

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Speaker 2: answer moving forward. I don't know what you want, what

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Speaker 4: Well, let's get into like what Stiking is thinking here.

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Speaker 4: Which is kind of scary to think that they ran

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Speaker 4: again we'll see, is it Gardner Minshew twenty twenty three,

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Speaker 11: Some may ask you a questions, Let's say he can

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Speaker 11: And your defense takes a little bit of a step

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 2: They go to the playoffs, the wild card, and they

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Speaker 4: It's terrifical, right, you're right back where you started exactly

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Speaker 7: But I think from their perspective, they will much rather

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Speaker 4: I get why Shane stike and is doing what he's doing.

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Speaker 3: I get it.

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Speaker 4: I just don't agree with how the organization has handled

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Speaker 4: he's no longer able to handle that. To me, it's

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Speaker 2: I kind of feel like they're trying to plug the

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Speaker 7: Well, yeah, and I think the argument, at least from

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Speaker 6: So.

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Speaker 4: Okay, so that's more than like a magalder.

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Speaker 3: You're done, all right, But should.

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Speaker 7: You can out there for the Noblesville Boom. Magan some

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Speaker 2: bench by find Daniel blanking Jones, Dan Jones, Dan Jones

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Speaker 2: and this thing you're making the move for Dan, you

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Speaker 4: You gotta start it.

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Speaker 2: Mark helped me out Dan Jones. What what does Dan

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Speaker 7: But to add to that, Kevin, I do think to

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Speaker 3: What is it?

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Speaker 4: Can you?

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Speaker 7: Can you lay it out for me and tell me

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Speaker 7: And Jeff, you're not in the meeting rooms quite as

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Speaker 7: by not playing? And how do you justify that part

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Speaker 4: ended yesterday and you were like, hey, Kevin, you know

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Speaker 4: that was a little feisty there. I don't do this

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Speaker 4: very often in press conferences. At one point I asked

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Speaker 4: Shane Second three questions in a row because I didn't

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Speaker 4: think he was making any sense to me, right, And

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Speaker 4: the root of it is what you just brought up.

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Speaker 4: He kept on pointing to injuries for why Anthony Richardson

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Speaker 4: is not better at the line of scrimmage. And so

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Speaker 4: my question now becomes, Okay, when he had the injuries,

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Speaker 4: he was getting the mental reps, right, he was in

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Speaker 4: the meeting rooms. And then now he's back in the

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Speaker 4: meeting rooms. That's where he is at again, not getting

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Speaker 4: these reps. And I don't know if there's a bigger

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Speaker 4: misconception than NFL practices in the rare season. Anthony Richardson

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Speaker 4: is going to run the scout team coming up here

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Speaker 4: in two weeks, He's gonna be the Miami Dolphins in practice.

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Speaker 4: He's not even gonna run the colts On playbook. And

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Speaker 4: we know the Colts op for Wednesday walkthroughs relatively early

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Speaker 4: in seasons, so that amount of practice time. Hell, the

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Speaker 4: guy's not even playing Saturday in a preseason game.

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Speaker 7: Like I do want to follow up on that at

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Speaker 7: some point with him, like why isn't he Like I

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Speaker 7: do you want to.

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Speaker 4: See the nis None of that makes sense to me.

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Speaker 4: None of it. None of it makes sense, And tangibly,

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Speaker 4: how do you try and get you You're kicking the

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Speaker 4: can further down the road. And in my opinion. I

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Speaker 4: think you need clarity. I think you need gets the

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Speaker 4: final answer, and that answer can be a bad answer.

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Speaker 4: And if it's a bad answer, great, that means you

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Speaker 4: can move on and you could dial up Field Yates

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Speaker 4: as mock draft and take who are they even taking

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Speaker 4: Mark with the eleventh pick? Fernando Mendoza, Penn State's Drew

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Speaker 4: Aller Boy, I think you just threw another one to

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Speaker 4: Notre Dame to Lord.

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Speaker 3: I'll watched him in the casotball playoff last year. You

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Speaker 3: can go there.

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Speaker 4: You can take a kid from South Carolina, you can

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Speaker 4: take a kid from LSU. You get you know, pray

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Speaker 4: that Arch comes out what you know. You can move

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Speaker 4: on and try to find the centerpiece of your franchise.

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Speaker 4: But now yesterday's news it just further kicks it down

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Speaker 4: the road.

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Speaker 2: Mark real quickly, let's go to the phone lines before

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Speaker 2: we get to Stephen Holder coming off after the break,

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Speaker 2: Joe real quickly here on the fan hotline. What you

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Speaker 2: got today?

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Speaker 6: Hey? Thanks taking make off? First off? James, is that

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Speaker 6: a Grace College great up in warsaw shirt?

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Speaker 7: No, I'm sorry, this is a Grace Burger, sir from Indiana.

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Speaker 7: Set out to you legend. I do know Grace College though.

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Speaker 9: All right, anyways, No, I was calling just say basically,

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Speaker 9: you know, I'm a Colts fan. When when Jim Harball

494
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Speaker 9: was there for Jim Harball, when Peyton may was there third,

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Speaker 9: you know, and so on and so forth, and I think, well,

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Speaker 9: he gets lost as there's obviously something going on that

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Speaker 9: maybe we just don't know about. Like it's kind of

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Speaker 9: like that guy at work that you know, he's a

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Speaker 9: nice guy and you know he has potential, but like

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Speaker 9: he's just not getting it.

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Speaker 6: Like the guy just doesn't get it for some reason,

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Speaker 6: and you're rooting for him, and you know he could.

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Speaker 9: Be good if you could figured out, but he's just

504
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Speaker 9: not getting it. And it's like Daniel Jones. Could he

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Speaker 9: be the next dam Darnold that he turns his career around?

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Speaker 9: Could he be a Baker Mayfield? I mean even going

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Speaker 9: way back to like a rich Gannon who was a

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Speaker 9: journeyman gets with John Gruden and it becomes.

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Speaker 6: A pro bowler.

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Speaker 9: Like, is it possible that Daniel Jones, he's what twenty eight,

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Speaker 9: twenty nine years old? Could he turn his career around?

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Speaker 9: Could he be the future? Is it possible? I mean

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Speaker 9: we just need a guy that can make the layups.

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Speaker 9: I think I don't. We don't necessarily need a guy

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Speaker 9: that can hit home runs every time. We need a

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Speaker 9: guy that can make the layups and get the ball

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Speaker 9: to the playmakers. We have Tyler Warren, we have Josh Towns,

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Speaker 9: we have Johnson Taylor. The defense should be improved. I mean,

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Speaker 9: why can't we be better? Why can't we be a good, competitive,

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Speaker 9: solid team.

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Speaker 6: I mean when.

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Speaker 9: Trent Dilfer won Super Bowl with the Race Evans, I

523
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Speaker 9: mean they didn't have Patrick Mahomes. I mean, you can

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Speaker 9: win games with good defense and running the ball. And

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Speaker 9: I just think that we got to support our colts

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Speaker 9: and we got to trust these guys that do this

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Speaker 9: for a living. This is their career and they want

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Speaker 9: to win. I mean, Sichon wants to win.

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Speaker 2: We all want to win. I appreciate phone calling the perspective, Joe.

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Speaker 2: I'll also point out that the Ravens, everybody always says it,

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Speaker 2: you know, good defense. That was an historically.

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Speaker 3: Great defense of all time.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I can't, Joe, appreciate the call. Thank you for listening.

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Speaker 4: Shout out to Grace College. I can't agree with that.

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Speaker 4: I mean, again and Where what's Baker Mayfield getting you,

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Speaker 4: what's Sam Donald's getting you, what's Geno Smith getting you?

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Speaker 4: How many playoff wins for those quarterbacks? Like everybody brings

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Speaker 4: this up, Like these guys have been making deep playoff runs?

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Speaker 4: Did I miss all this?

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Speaker 2: We saw? We saw when when it got real at

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Speaker 2: the very end quarterback Bergatory, they're just a little bit

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Speaker 2: higher up on the wrong than at the very end

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Speaker 2: of the season when things got real and in the

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Speaker 2: first week of the playoffs, Sam Donald went back being

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Speaker 2: Sam Donald.

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Speaker 4: It just it feels like that premise in this conversation

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Speaker 4: is exactly what was said about Jacoby Brissett. It's exactly

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Speaker 4: what it's said about Joe Flacco's exactly what he's said

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Speaker 4: about Matt Ryant. It's the same song and dance. Just

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Speaker 4: sometimes the skin color is different on the quarterback. Sometimes

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Speaker 4: maybe the legs are a little bit better. Sometimes the

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Speaker 4: back of the baseball card looks a little different. But

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Speaker 4: it's the same old, same old, big picture story.

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Speaker 2: Hi coming up next, Stephen Holder. He covers the Colts

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Speaker 2: at ESPN. We'll talk to him next. Get his perspective.

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Speaker 2: As we continue on The Fan Morning Show ninety three,

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Speaker 2: five and one on seven fan busy day last fifty

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Speaker 2: six Yesterday the Indianapolis Colts giving the nod to Daniel Jones,

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Speaker 2: or as Kevin is trying to get it done Dan

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Speaker 2: Jones yesterday. Our next guest joins us now on the

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Speaker 2: Payless Liquors Hotline. No stranger to the station, no stranger

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Speaker 2: to the Colts and Colts fans. Stephen Holder, who's been

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Speaker 2: a busy man like everybody else in the last I

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Speaker 2: don't know eighteen hours or so, joins us. Good morning, Steven.

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Speaker 2: I'm minding my own business this morning. Listen to Sports

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Speaker 2: Center on ESPN Radio this morning, and all of a sudden,

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Speaker 2: at five thirty three, I hear Steven Older coming out

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Speaker 2: of my radio there. How about that?

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Speaker 8: Well, I was not awake at five thirty, so thankfully,

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Speaker 8: but they got a lot of airtime out of me,

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Speaker 8: so I'm sure they had plenty of content, so good

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Speaker 8: for them.

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Speaker 2: So what was your take on everything that went down yesterday?

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Speaker 6: Yeah?

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Speaker 8: Excuse me, I really think the first thing that has

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Speaker 8: to be mentioned here is, Look, no one's pretending that

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Speaker 8: that Anthony Richardson is by any means perfect or had

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Speaker 8: you know or should feel like he had any expectation

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Speaker 8: of being owed anything anything like that. Right, he has

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Speaker 8: left a lot to be desired, there's no question about that.

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Speaker 8: I think the big point here, the overarching point for me,

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Speaker 8: is that they made this decision irrespective of the future of.

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Speaker 6: That position.

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Speaker 8: On this football team, because you are not developing Anthony

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Speaker 8: Richardson with him sitting on the bench. I reject that

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Speaker 8: notion completely. He's not going to develop, not the way

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Speaker 8: he would when he's playing. And then the other thing

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Speaker 8: is you're doing that while committing to a guy who

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Speaker 8: has shown really no ability to elevate his team in

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Speaker 8: six previous seasons. So it's not the fact that they're

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Speaker 8: not playing Anthony Richardson, it's that they're doing it.

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Speaker 6: At the cost of.

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Speaker 8: Finding out more about him, which they need to do,

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Speaker 8: and also in favor of a guy who clearly hasn't

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Speaker 8: elevated his team ever. And that is a you know,

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Speaker 8: that's a tough thing to maybe accept, I think for

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Speaker 8: a lot of fans. So we'll see there's a scenario

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Speaker 8: where they could be proven right, But that's a lot

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Speaker 8: to ask right.

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Speaker 4: Now, Steve, and I know is a crazy busy day

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Speaker 4: for you, so appreciate you still making time for us

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Speaker 4: here on this Wednesday morning. You furthered the story late

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Speaker 4: last night in a conversation with Anthony Richardson's agent. The

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Speaker 4: quote there from Derek Jackson, we have a lot to

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Speaker 4: discuss in regards to Anthony's future with the Colts. What

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Speaker 4: did you make of your conversation? And didn't seem like

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Speaker 4: it went all the way to the trade demand sort

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Speaker 4: of point, but certainly some whatever displeasure, if that's the

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Speaker 4: right word to use from the Richardson camp over this news.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, for sure.

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Speaker 8: I mean, he had not spoken to Chris Balor at

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Speaker 8: that point. He was hoping to do that later in

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Speaker 8: the evening, so I'm not sure what came of that,

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Speaker 8: but a lot of this disappointment in that conversation, and

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Speaker 8: I think the overarching point I think in the conversation was, look, you,

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Speaker 8: they feel like they being you know, Derek and Anthony,

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Speaker 8: Derek being his agent. They feel like we did everything

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Speaker 8: you asked us to do. They you know, for Nicoles,

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Speaker 8: and he was asked to go out and work in

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Speaker 8: the off season. Everyone agrees he did that and we

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Speaker 8: saw the product of that. I thought in training camp,

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Speaker 8: I thought he was much more mechanically smooth. He looked

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Speaker 8: like he was much more put together right as a quarterback.

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Speaker 8: Doesn't mean he was a finished product. He certainly is not,

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Speaker 8: but he took it upon himself to get better.

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Speaker 6: Then.

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Speaker 8: I think there's also the history right where the benching

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Speaker 8: last season, the way that was handled it was messy.

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Speaker 8: The way the back issue was kind of characterized that

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Speaker 8: was that was of some annoyance as well. So it's

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Speaker 8: an accumulation of things that have brought I think both

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Speaker 8: of them to a point where like, we don't we

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Speaker 8: don't really, we're not really listening to anything you say

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Speaker 8: at this point. You know, what will be will be?

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Speaker 8: I think that's where Richardson and his camp are at

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Speaker 8: this point.

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Speaker 4: How do you see it playing out like best case scenario?

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Speaker 4: Would you not best case scenario? But I don't know.

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Speaker 4: Maybe most realistic case, like this season rides out as

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Speaker 4: the backup well, you know, if and when Daniel Jones

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Speaker 4: gets hurt or doesn't play well, you know, perhaps we

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Speaker 4: see Richardson in there again and then maybe something happens

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Speaker 4: in the offseason. There's so many layers there. It's probably

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Speaker 4: unfair question to even ask, but how do you see

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Speaker 4: the Richardson end of his career here in India if

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Speaker 4: you want to label at that playing out now?

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Speaker 8: I mean, I think the most likely scenario is that

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Speaker 8: he does remain on the roster. And I think at

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Speaker 8: that point, if you are Anthony Richardson, you know, well,

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Speaker 8: who knows what happens with the front office and coaching staff,

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Speaker 8: right But if he's on the roster at that point

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Speaker 8: and he doesn't see a future here, which right now

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Speaker 8: would be the case, that's for your release or a trade.

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Speaker 8: But I think that I think that trade request is

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Speaker 8: probably gonna come. I really do. Now do I think

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Speaker 8: they trade him? No, not necessarily. I mean, this is

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Speaker 8: this is me talking. I'm not speaking for Derek, but

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Speaker 8: I'm just saying this in terms of where they are now.

659
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Speaker 8: I mean, that's going to come up in the conversation now,

660
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Speaker 8: whether it's a formal trade request, I don't know, you

661
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Speaker 8: know what I mean, Maybe Chris can smooth it over,

662
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Speaker 8: I don't know. But Derek's pissed. I'm not going to

663
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Speaker 8: sugarcoat he's pissed. What I what I wrote is frankly

664
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Speaker 8: the mildest version of that conversation. So now whether you

665
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Speaker 8: feel like they have the right to feel that way.

666
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Speaker 8: I mean that's up to the individual. But the feelings

667
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:38,960
Speaker 8: are what they are, right, and people feel how they feel.

668
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Speaker 8: So there's a lot of animosity there, and I think

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Speaker 8: if you watch training camp, it's not surprising, right. I mean,

670
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Speaker 8: we can't truly sit here and say Daniel Jones significantly

671
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 8: outplayed Anthony Richardson. That's not true, right, But the cults

672
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Speaker 8: are free to make whatever decision they want, and there

673
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Speaker 8: is a justification for it. I mean, Shane gave one.

674
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Speaker 8: But I do think that when you feel like you've

675
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Speaker 8: been told there's been a commitment made to you, and

676
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Speaker 8: then it goes a different way when you feel like

677
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Speaker 8: you did your part, that's a tough thing to swallow.

678
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Speaker 6: So anyway to.

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Speaker 8: Your original question, what happens, I think he probably ends

680
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Speaker 8: up here throughout the season. But the last thing I

681
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Speaker 8: would say is keep in mind before or when he

682
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Speaker 8: was drafted last season. Excuse me, when he was benched

683
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Speaker 8: last season, excuse me, there were teams that called and said, hey,

684
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Speaker 8: what are your plans there? They were kind of curious,

685
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Speaker 8: So could that happen again?

686
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Speaker 2: Steven Holder on the Payless Lickers hotline.

687
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Speaker 7: Go ahead, James Holder, I'll pivot to this part of

688
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Speaker 7: the conversation because to me, I don't necessarily blame the

689
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Speaker 7: Colts for benching Anthony Richison. Again, I don't think that

690
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Speaker 7: he had like the strongest argument ever. I did read

691
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Speaker 7: your story and great work there. But when I saw

692
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Speaker 7: Derek say he had a great camp by all accounts,

693
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Speaker 7: I was thinking not by most of our accounts. We

694
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Speaker 7: were there every day. It was not a great camp.

695
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Speaker 7: It was a camp opinion. But neither here nor there.

696
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Speaker 7: What plan do you see the Colts having for him?

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Speaker 7: That's the question I want to ask Shane and Richardson,

698
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Speaker 7: But like, what is the plan? If you're telling us

699
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Speaker 7: you're not giving up on him, and this is what

700
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Speaker 7: it looks and feels like, what is the plan? And

701
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Speaker 7: I guess where do you kind of fall in that discussion?

702
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Speaker 8: I mean, I think it's a bad plan. The plan

703
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 8: is to let him run the scout team.

704
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Speaker 6: Okay, well, whoop do you do?

705
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Speaker 8: I mean this isn't going to get him anywhere, is

706
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Speaker 8: what I'm saying. So if the priority here is we're

707
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Speaker 8: going to try to win and save our jobs, then

708
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:39,680
Speaker 8: all right, And I guess they think they're doing the

709
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Speaker 8: right thing if the priority is we want to develop

710
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Speaker 8: this quarterback and also give ourselves a chance that maybe

711
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Speaker 8: having a chance at a higher ceiling, just because he

712
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:53,040
Speaker 8: is the unknown commodity, right, and I get it right,

713
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Speaker 8: there's some risk involved there in the bigger picture, and

714
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Speaker 8: maybe that's not a maybe that's not a path or

715
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Speaker 8: to walk. But but if if that's not a consideration,

716
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Speaker 8: then basically what you're saying is you're taking the time

717
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Speaker 8: out with Anthony Richardson, you know what I mean, Like,

718
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Speaker 8: he's not Riley Leonard who needs to go learn how

719
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Speaker 8: to like you know, how to learn NFL defenses and

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Speaker 8: that kind of thing. I mean, Anthony Richardson needs more

721
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Speaker 8: development there. But the man has played NFL football, right,

722
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Speaker 8: So that's that type of learning is only going to

723
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Speaker 8: help him so much. And the point I made on

724
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Speaker 8: TV is that he had that in year one. He

725
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Speaker 8: had thirteen games of watching Gardner Minshew and Shane Syke

726
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Speaker 8: and do their thing, and that got him where, right,

727
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Speaker 8: So that type of learning has a limited effect. You

728
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:48,279
Speaker 8: got to play, and he will not be playing. So

729
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Speaker 8: I see this as frankly potentially a wasted year for

730
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Speaker 8: Anthony Richardson, I don't really see how you phrased it

731
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Speaker 8: any other way. The other thing I would say is

732
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Speaker 8: that if you are if you com to a quarterback,

733
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Speaker 8: if you commit to drafting a project quarterback, you got

734
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Speaker 8: to see it through. And they're not seeing it through.

735
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 8: That is just is what it is, and they have

736
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Speaker 8: to own that and they are not.

737
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Speaker 7: And then to follow up, you mentioned the project quarterback part,

738
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Speaker 7: and obviously for Anthony, I think a lot of the

739
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Speaker 7: reason he's here was because Shane advocated for him be here.

740
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:21,440
Speaker 7: Now Shane is advocating for Daniel Jones.

741
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Speaker 3: And so.

742
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Speaker 7: Two part question here, how much of Anthony Richardson's lack

743
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Speaker 7: of development do you think falls on Shane's stichen And

744
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:33,480
Speaker 7: then how much should he be trusted with the resurrection,

745
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 7: because that's what you're trying to do with Danie Jones,

746
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:37,239
Speaker 7: trying to resurrect his career. How much should he be

747
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Speaker 7: trusted with that? In regards to.

748
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Speaker 8: Jones, I mean, I think you have to ask questions,

749
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 8: and some of this stuff is impossible to answer, right

750
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:48,319
Speaker 8: because none of us are in the meeting room, We're

751
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:49,960
Speaker 8: not in the huddle or any of that.

752
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Speaker 6: So I don't know.

753
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:53,080
Speaker 3: Because your ESPN access to get in there.

754
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Speaker 8: Come on, man, it's funny how there's limitations how far

755
00:35:57,880 --> 00:35:58,440
Speaker 8: they can get you.

756
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Speaker 6: True. I just it's interesting. Though.

757
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Speaker 8: I think your question is totally fair, and I think

758
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:06,120
Speaker 8: we have to ask those questions though you know we

759
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 8: won't get straight answers maybe, but those are fair questions

760
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Speaker 8: because we talk all the time about these quarterbacks that

761
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 8: had these second acts. They go somewhere else and certainly

762
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Speaker 8: and suddenly they start to flourish. Well, you know, we

763
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 8: don't talk about enough in those situations. It's not just

764
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:27,480
Speaker 8: experienced necessarily. Some of it is experience in time and

765
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:30,920
Speaker 8: so forth. But maybe the question should also be asked, well,

766
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Speaker 8: what happened in those earlier stops? How were they handled?

767
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Speaker 8: How were they coached? How were they developed?

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Speaker 6: Right?

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Speaker 8: I mean that's a question too. Why does it have

770
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Speaker 8: to take five or six years? Is that all about

771
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 8: experience or are there other things that work too?

772
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Speaker 6: So?

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Speaker 8: I do think you can't come. You can't put all

774
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Speaker 8: this on the twenty three year old quarterback who didn't

775
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 8: know what the hell he was doing. Okay, let's just

776
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:57,480
Speaker 8: be honest, right, you can't put all of it on him.

777
00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:00,239
Speaker 8: Some of it's on him for sure, and we've got

778
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Speaker 8: to be a serious quarterback and a serious individual, which

779
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 8: I think is finally happening. But not all of it

780
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:08,759
Speaker 8: is on Anthony. Some of it has to be on

781
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Speaker 8: the team that took him, knowing who he was and

782
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 8: what he was when they drafted him.

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Speaker 2: Steven, Great to see you this past weekend. Good to

784
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:16,879
Speaker 2: hear you this morning. We'll run into each other again soon.

785
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Speaker 2: Thank you for being here.

786
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Speaker 6: All right, let's talk about see you guys soon.

787
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Speaker 2: We've been yapping about this all day long and listening

788
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:26,359
Speaker 2: to the text line and some phone callers, and we'll

789
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Speaker 2: get some national perspective now as we turn to the

790
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:32,840
Speaker 2: Payless Liquors hotline and from NFL Network, Tom Pellasero, terrific

791
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:36,399
Speaker 2: reporter there, joins us now on the Fan Morning show.

792
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Speaker 4: Good morning, Tom. It's never boring for you.

793
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Speaker 2: There's always somebody in a quarterback controversy somewhere in America

794
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Speaker 2: for you.

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Speaker 9: Right Well, we're on the pretty short list at this

796
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 9: point of the competitions in camp, but you're right, we'll

797
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:51,960
Speaker 9: be a week or two in the season and people

798
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 9: will be calling for somebody to get benched somewhere. You know,

799
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 9: this one was really going all the way back to

800
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Speaker 9: the combine. When Chris Ballard said it's going to be

801
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:03,239
Speaker 9: an open competition, you knew that they were going to

802
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Speaker 9: try to bring in somebody to really and truly push

803
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Speaker 9: Anthony Richardson. You know, the unfortunate part in all this is,

804
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Speaker 9: I don't know that you ever really got.

805
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Speaker 6: The type of competition that you would have won it.

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Speaker 9: We all know Anthony Richardson what he needs above all

807
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 9: else his reps.

808
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:19,280
Speaker 6: He needs time on task.

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Speaker 9: And for a guy who had bottled injuries his first

810
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Speaker 9: two years to come in and have the shoulder issue

811
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Speaker 9: in the spring and then hit the start in the

812
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Speaker 9: first preseason game and dislocate his pinky right out of

813
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Speaker 9: the gate, it just it.

814
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Speaker 6: Felt like a continuation.

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Speaker 9: I don't think that, by any stretch, this is the

816
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:40,120
Speaker 9: end of Anthony Richardson. You know, there's plenty of other

817
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Speaker 9: quarterbacks who you know, have not been able to put

818
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:44,840
Speaker 9: it all together in the first couple of years. And

819
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Speaker 9: they get trader, do they get cut and they go

820
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Speaker 9: someplace else? And I mean, shoot, we're still talking about

821
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Speaker 9: Trey Lance. You know, oh, you know, great preseason that

822
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Speaker 9: he had with the Chargers. It's like you know, year

823
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Speaker 9: five or six or whatever it is for Trey Lance.

824
00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:58,880
Speaker 9: At this point, there's no reason that we can't, you know,

825
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 9: be talking about Anthony Richard since somewhere down the line.

826
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Speaker 9: But you know, the guy needs to play, he needs

827
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Speaker 9: to practice. He didn't get the opportunity to do that,

828
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:09,239
Speaker 9: and the Colts just starts in a position where they

829
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Speaker 9: can allow him to get that time on task in

830
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 9: regular season games where you know, wins and jobs are

831
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Speaker 9: at stake.

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Speaker 7: Tom James Woyd here from the Athletic and I enjoy

833
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:22,880
Speaker 7: your work as well. You certainly keep me busy like

834
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:25,480
Speaker 7: the rest of us in this reporting world. And I

835
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:27,399
Speaker 7: do want to pivot a bit back to what you've

836
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Speaker 7: just said. With Anthony. There is hope that he can

837
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Speaker 7: still become something. But the narrative that the cults are

838
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:36,879
Speaker 7: trying to push right now is that they haven't given

839
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:39,359
Speaker 7: up on him. They's a future for him in Indianapolis.

840
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Speaker 7: But how realist do you think that is? Considering that

841
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:45,839
Speaker 7: he's a now former top five pick that's been bench

842
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:49,560
Speaker 7: twice in nine months. Those players usually don't work out

843
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:52,319
Speaker 7: with the same franchise, So how realistic is it for

844
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Speaker 7: him to work out Indianapolis.

845
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:57,640
Speaker 9: Still, well, let's start with the reality, James. Did you know,

846
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:00,400
Speaker 9: quarterbacks get hurt, And certainly I don't w that on

847
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 9: Daniel Jones at all, but the odds are over half

848
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 9: the teams in the league us multiple quarterbacks in the season.

849
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Speaker 9: We may see Anthony Richardson playing for the Colts this year,

850
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:13,160
Speaker 9: and quite frankly, given where he's at in his career,

851
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:16,520
Speaker 9: the best opportunity for him to show something in twenty

852
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:18,759
Speaker 9: twenty five it's going to be with the Colts not

853
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:21,360
Speaker 9: getting traded next week and going to a team and

854
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:24,439
Speaker 9: a coach and a scheme that he's not familiar with.

855
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:26,960
Speaker 9: And so, you know, big picture, what does this mean

856
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Speaker 9: for Anthony Richardson.

857
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Speaker 6: I would go back to this.

858
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Speaker 9: You remember how this all unfolded back in twenty twenty

859
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Speaker 9: three when they had a couple of quarterbacks on the roster,

860
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Speaker 9: and again it was a real competition, you know, the

861
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Speaker 9: late Jim Mersey, you know, came out and said, hey,

862
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Speaker 9: Anthony's going to be you know, we look forward to

863
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Speaker 9: Anthony richard handed off to Jonathan Taylor. That was kind

864
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Speaker 9: of the first time that anybody was like, oh, Richardson's

865
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:54,200
Speaker 9: going to play now, that wasn't really you know, the

866
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Speaker 9: the I don't want to say the plan, but it

867
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Speaker 9: wasn't really the thought process. It was, hey, you're going

868
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:00,680
Speaker 9: to get this guy on the field. Maybe he's playing

869
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:03,719
Speaker 9: goal line short yardage packages, but not to be in

870
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Speaker 9: every game starter. And obviously, you know, he played I

871
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:08,759
Speaker 9: believe four games that year and he got hurt in

872
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 9: three of them, and so you know, ultimately we didn't

873
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:13,400
Speaker 9: see a ton of him on the field. But what

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00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 9: is happening right now with Anthony Richardson at age twenty four,

875
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:20,120
Speaker 9: younger than Tyler Shuck, younger than some of the other

876
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:22,760
Speaker 9: rookie we're in the league right now, This is probably

877
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:25,439
Speaker 9: what should happen for him in twenty twenty three, which

878
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 9: is getting the opportunity to be behind a veteran who

879
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:30,799
Speaker 9: you know, say what you will about Daniel Jones, like

880
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 9: he's won games in the league, he's won a playoff

881
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:35,960
Speaker 9: game in the league, he started a whole bunch.

882
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:37,279
Speaker 6: You'll be behind.

883
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:38,799
Speaker 9: Somebody who's going to be a good guy in the room,

884
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 9: and you can you can you watch and learn a

885
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:45,000
Speaker 9: little bit here. Anthony Richardson got put in a really

886
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 9: tough spot. I don't think it's unfair, because there is

887
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:49,920
Speaker 9: no fair in the NFL. But it was a really

888
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:53,000
Speaker 9: difficult spot of hey, and I get you know why

889
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:54,759
Speaker 9: you got there, which was this guy needs to play,

890
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:56,799
Speaker 9: so let's put him out there. But you know, in

891
00:41:56,920 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 9: hindsight and even in foresight, oh, what should have been

892
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:03,960
Speaker 9: the plan initially here? And so the best thing for

893
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:06,759
Speaker 9: Anthony Richardson of course now is that he truly can

894
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:09,759
Speaker 9: sit back for a while and watch and learn and

895
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:12,440
Speaker 9: get better in practice and run the scout team and

896
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:14,960
Speaker 9: who knows, maybe making all those scout team reps in

897
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:15,759
Speaker 9: a few months here.

898
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:18,399
Speaker 6: You know, by staying healthy with this.

899
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:20,840
Speaker 9: Point in his NFL career, maybe that puts him in

900
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 9: a better position than what his next opportunity comes. You know,

901
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:27,080
Speaker 9: he's better for it. And much like Bryce Young last

902
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:29,759
Speaker 9: year with the Panthers, he got benched after the second game.

903
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 9: I mean, that was the number one pick in the

904
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:34,319
Speaker 9: draft in that same year, you know, and then once

905
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:37,080
Speaker 9: Bryce Young got another opportunity because Andy Dalton was in

906
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 9: a car accident of all things, he was more ready.

907
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:41,800
Speaker 9: But a big part of that was Bryce Young leading

908
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:46,280
Speaker 9: through continuing to be that guy, you know, working behind

909
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 9: the scenes and being ready, not knowing what his opportunity

910
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:49,000
Speaker 9: was getting.

911
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:53,080
Speaker 4: Definitely echo what James said. Tom Pelser do is great

912
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:55,360
Speaker 4: work NFL Network where you can find him insider there.

913
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:57,920
Speaker 4: You can see him on the Insiders That's weak Night,

914
00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:01,240
Speaker 4: seven pm Eastern, All NFL Network.

915
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:01,720
Speaker 3: Tom.

916
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:05,920
Speaker 4: We saw Derek Jackson, Anthony's agent reach out to Steven

917
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:09,800
Speaker 4: Holder covers could ESPN and mentioned, Yeah, they are unhappy

918
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:13,640
Speaker 4: about this situation not going all the way to the

919
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:16,120
Speaker 4: trade request. We had Steven on earlier and he mentioned

920
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:18,440
Speaker 4: he didn't feel like maybe that was the most far

921
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:21,160
Speaker 4: fetched thing that could come down the road. From the

922
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:24,239
Speaker 4: Richardson camp, What do you think the market would look like?

923
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 4: Do you compare it all to Trey Lance's market a

924
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:29,479
Speaker 4: few years ago? What do you think potential compensation could

925
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:30,640
Speaker 4: be for Anthony Richardson.

926
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:34,240
Speaker 9: I believe Trey Lance went for a fourth round pick

927
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:36,360
Speaker 9: and it was right around this same time when the

928
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:39,400
Speaker 9: Cowboys traded for him. I think that it would probably

929
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:42,480
Speaker 9: be a similar type of a thing Trey Lance. It

930
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:45,040
Speaker 9: was the same deal, which was he hadn't played kind

931
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:48,239
Speaker 9: of football. He'd played more, he'd started more games in

932
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:50,720
Speaker 9: North Dakota State, but just hadn't played a whole lot.

933
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:53,560
Speaker 9: He had accuracy issues, like Anthony Richardson has not been

934
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:55,920
Speaker 9: the most accurate quarterback so far in his career, and

935
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:58,480
Speaker 9: he'd been hurt a lot. So it's probably in a

936
00:43:58,480 --> 00:43:59,560
Speaker 9: similar type.

937
00:43:59,280 --> 00:43:59,719
Speaker 6: Of a vein.

938
00:43:59,880 --> 00:44:02,680
Speaker 9: It's probably a mid round type of a pick. And

939
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 9: the question that you have to ask yourself if you

940
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:07,000
Speaker 9: are you know Chris.

941
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:08,600
Speaker 6: Ballad or Shane Steichen.

942
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:11,000
Speaker 9: Or Carli ersay, is is that worth it?

943
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:12,080
Speaker 6: You know Trey Lance.

944
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 9: The other piece of this was when the forty niners

945
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:19,040
Speaker 9: traded Trey Lance, they had Brock Purdy and Brock Purty

946
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 9: was going to be the guy that was Kyle's guy

947
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:23,400
Speaker 9: that you know, it was very affairent.

948
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:24,360
Speaker 6: He was going to be the starter.

949
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:27,160
Speaker 9: When you have, you know, another guy who's a former

950
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:30,360
Speaker 9: high graphic sitting behind, that puts more pressure on the

951
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 9: guy who's starting. It can create a lot of questions.

952
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:35,160
Speaker 9: I don't know that you have those same types of

953
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:37,359
Speaker 9: questions with Daniel Jones, who, by the way, is only

954
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:40,920
Speaker 9: twenty eight himself. But it's not like, you know, Daniel

955
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:43,520
Speaker 9: Jones is one hundred percent the answer, you know, for

956
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:45,600
Speaker 9: the next ten years, like the forty nine ers felt

957
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 9: about party.

958
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:48,560
Speaker 6: You know, you hope that he is. You hope that

959
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:49,920
Speaker 6: maybe you fell into.

960
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 9: Something on a one year, fourteen million dollar contract and

961
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:54,680
Speaker 9: you get your guy and that settles all these questions.

962
00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:58,399
Speaker 9: But I don't think that the same dynamic exists here

963
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:01,920
Speaker 9: in terms of the pressure all on the pressure on

964
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:04,279
Speaker 9: the Colts to do something and to move on from

965
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:04,720
Speaker 9: the player.

966
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 6: I just don't think that that exists. So you know,

967
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 6: we'll see.

968
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:10,160
Speaker 9: My understanding from talking to people yesterday is that's not

969
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:13,360
Speaker 9: the thought process for the team. I understand, you know,

970
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:16,440
Speaker 9: I've known Derek a long time. I understand, you know,

971
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:20,920
Speaker 9: the frustration for him, the frustration for Anthony Richardson. But

972
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 9: I just go back to this, you know, as as

973
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 9: you might be mad about it and you might think,

974
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:28,279
Speaker 9: you know, this isn't you know the trust has been

975
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:30,640
Speaker 9: fractured or whatever that quote was that he gave the holder.

976
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:34,640
Speaker 9: But at the same time, realistically, if Anthony Richardson sees

977
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 9: the field in twenty twenty five, he's better off seeing

978
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:41,479
Speaker 9: the field than Indy again, because going someplace new Man,

979
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:44,280
Speaker 9: being a quarterback, there's some positions you can get traded,

980
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:46,239
Speaker 9: you know, even in the season, and you can go

981
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 9: out and play that week. Quarterback is not the spot

982
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:51,080
Speaker 9: you want to be doing that. The Baker Mayfield going

983
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:53,240
Speaker 9: to the Rams and starting three days later and rebooting

984
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:56,480
Speaker 9: his career, those situations are few and far between.

985
00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:57,879
Speaker 6: For Richardson, just.

986
00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:00,399
Speaker 9: Continuing to you know, be on top of the thing,

987
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:04,360
Speaker 9: knowing that it was a close competition with Daniel Jones

988
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:06,879
Speaker 9: and being able just to kind of push forward within

989
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:10,439
Speaker 9: that context that to me seems like the better outcome here.

990
00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:13,360
Speaker 9: We'll see what levers, if any he and his agent

991
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:14,239
Speaker 9: decided to pull here.

992
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:17,600
Speaker 7: Tom just Tom just ruined in my childhood dreams there

993
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:19,799
Speaker 7: with you know, the Madden. You know, I'm thinking, I'm

994
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:22,239
Speaker 7: mad and I just drop players in and have my franchise.

995
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:25,920
Speaker 3: It worked back then, Tom, but it works.

996
00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:29,520
Speaker 9: For Baker's now a Pro Bowl quarterback. Like it's the

997
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:32,680
Speaker 9: wildest story ever. I think they claimed him on a Monday.

998
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:33,719
Speaker 6: And he started on a Thursday.

999
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:35,919
Speaker 9: That one I'll never Yeah, I'll get over.

1000
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:39,279
Speaker 7: My dad's uh no, along those lines. My dad's a

1001
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:41,319
Speaker 7: diehard Raiders fan. I never let him forget that game.

1002
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:43,200
Speaker 7: I'm like, you let a guy come into your house

1003
00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 7: and beat you on like a couple of days, rest

1004
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:48,160
Speaker 7: and and literally like you know, a couple of backyard plays.

1005
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:51,279
Speaker 7: But going back to the Colts for a second, and

1006
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:54,520
Speaker 7: I really would appreciate your respective on this. So the

1007
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:56,640
Speaker 7: decision is Daniel Jones, and obviously they have to feel

1008
00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:59,319
Speaker 7: confident enough to make that decision to make him QB one.

1009
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:02,040
Speaker 3: But within that, Tom.

1010
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:04,319
Speaker 7: How much pressure do you think this regime just put

1011
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:08,239
Speaker 7: on itself to basically bet on Daniel Jones, Like you know,

1012
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:11,000
Speaker 7: how much leash do they have left or you know,

1013
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:14,839
Speaker 7: goodwill or grace should they get if this doesn't work out?

1014
00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:17,439
Speaker 7: You know when it comes to Chris Ballard and Shane Styching.

1015
00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:21,120
Speaker 9: Well, I think that part of the reason. And I

1016
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:23,040
Speaker 9: know that Shane talked about this is a decision made

1017
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:23,879
Speaker 9: for twenty twenty five.

1018
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:25,000
Speaker 6: It's not about the future.

1019
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:29,160
Speaker 9: But you heard the words from Shane. It's about consistency,

1020
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:31,920
Speaker 9: it's about communication, It's about getting in the right play

1021
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:34,120
Speaker 9: and making the right checks. You know, that's all the

1022
00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:36,120
Speaker 9: way of saying, you know, they know what.

1023
00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:38,680
Speaker 6: They're getting in Daniel Jones.

1024
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:41,040
Speaker 9: They know, you know, the best way to put it

1025
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:44,399
Speaker 9: might be this, does Daniel Jones scare you if you're

1026
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:48,120
Speaker 9: a defense Maybe not, But he doesn't.

1027
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:49,440
Speaker 8: Scare you as his own coaches.

1028
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:52,879
Speaker 9: Either Anthony Richardson scares the opposing defense, but he also

1029
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:56,040
Speaker 9: might scare his own coaches. So do you want the

1030
00:47:56,160 --> 00:48:00,520
Speaker 9: known commodity do you want the guy confident? You know, Hey,

1031
00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:03,920
Speaker 9: here's what Daniel's limitations are, here's the things he does well.

1032
00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:06,560
Speaker 9: We're going to build around those things he does well.

1033
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:09,040
Speaker 9: Or do you have Anthony Richardson who's going to make

1034
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:12,840
Speaker 9: the splash plays but you just don't know, you know,

1035
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:14,640
Speaker 9: from play in and play out, is he also going

1036
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 9: to make the big mistake? You know, if you're you know,

1037
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:19,439
Speaker 9: if you feel like your job is on the line.

1038
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:22,240
Speaker 9: And I think that it's fair to say any coach

1039
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:24,319
Speaker 9: who's entering year three and has not yet made the

1040
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:27,120
Speaker 9: playoffs any GM frankly that's been in the job as

1041
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:29,479
Speaker 9: long as Chris has, you know, Yeah, there's a level

1042
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:31,520
Speaker 9: of pressure, There's no doubt about it. And then you

1043
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:33,520
Speaker 9: you you know, add into the context, do you have

1044
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:37,560
Speaker 9: a new controlling owner in the situation too. There's a

1045
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 9: lot of different dynamics here where certainly you have to

1046
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:43,880
Speaker 9: be taking those things into consideration. But to me, you know,

1047
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:46,640
Speaker 9: what you need to prove right now, if you're you know,

1048
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:49,439
Speaker 9: if you're Chris and Shane is just Hey, the rest

1049
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:52,320
Speaker 9: of his roster's pretty good. And whether Anthony Richardson ultimately

1050
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:55,239
Speaker 9: works out or he doesn't, we built a pretty strong team.

1051
00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:57,399
Speaker 9: The only way that you find that and show that

1052
00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:00,080
Speaker 9: is that you get somebody in that you trust to

1053
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:03,160
Speaker 9: run your operation and get the ball in the hands

1054
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:05,839
Speaker 9: of your playmakers. You know, Anthony Richardson still might get

1055
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:08,080
Speaker 9: there someday. Again, he's younger than some of the guys

1056
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:10,560
Speaker 9: who got drafted this year, but he's not there yet.

1057
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:13,040
Speaker 9: I don't think that that's a secret. He's just not

1058
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:16,040
Speaker 9: there yet. And you know, so you put in the

1059
00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:18,920
Speaker 9: guy who you you trust. Hey, we at least know

1060
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:22,440
Speaker 9: what we're getting with this player. Let's build around his strengths.

1061
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:24,359
Speaker 9: He's going to process, he's going to get us into

1062
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:27,000
Speaker 9: the right play and you roll from there. You know,

1063
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:29,520
Speaker 9: time will tell if this ends up being the right bet.

1064
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:31,640
Speaker 9: But to me, you know the other part of this too,

1065
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 9: And I had people within the league say this to

1066
00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:36,520
Speaker 9: me when they were talking about that quarterback competition, along

1067
00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:38,839
Speaker 9: the lines of, well, you just you got to roll

1068
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:40,960
Speaker 9: with Richardson first, and then if he fails, you go

1069
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:43,839
Speaker 9: to Daniel Jones. I actually thought the opposite, and going

1070
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:45,520
Speaker 9: back to the spring, everything I heard was it was

1071
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:48,040
Speaker 9: probably going to be Daniel Jones. And the thinking is

1072
00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:51,080
Speaker 9: you're not going to get a spark from Daniel Jones.

1073
00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:54,640
Speaker 9: Daniel Jones is the steady guy. The spark comes if, hey,

1074
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:56,680
Speaker 9: if this thing isn't looking good enough, and then you

1075
00:49:56,719 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 9: put in this six foot five, two hundred and forty

1076
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:03,080
Speaker 9: pound on cannon armed dude. That's where the spark comes from.

1077
00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:05,600
Speaker 9: And again I would just go back to Anthony Richardson.

1078
00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:08,640
Speaker 9: What he's got to do from this point forward is

1079
00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:11,040
Speaker 9: pour everything into being ready for that moment, because you

1080
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:13,400
Speaker 9: don't know if that's coming in the first half of

1081
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:16,560
Speaker 9: Week one or it's not coming till December, but it's coming.

1082
00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:19,200
Speaker 9: And if you are able to show some of those flashes,

1083
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:22,640
Speaker 9: whether your futures in Indianapolis or somewhere else, that's what's

1084
00:50:22,680 --> 00:50:25,360
Speaker 9: going to drive you to get your next opportunity in

1085
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:25,920
Speaker 9: the NFL.

1086
00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:28,319
Speaker 2: Tom thanks for your time this morning. We appreciate it.

1087
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:30,960
Speaker 2: I know you're back out to some other camps, but

1088
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:33,520
Speaker 2: we'll look for you on NFL Network and see you

1089
00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:34,080
Speaker 2: down the road.

1090
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Speaker 6: You got a guess, Thanks