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Speaker 1: Zach Osterman from the Indianapolis Star, who's joining us now

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Speaker 1: on the Java House Peel and Poor Guest line whether

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Speaker 1: or not he has experienced this. He joins us now

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Speaker 1: in the program, Zach, thank you Eddie. Zach. You have

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Speaker 1: or have not been to the Rose Bowl.

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Speaker 2: I've never been to the Rose Bowl. I didn't make

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Speaker 2: the trip last year in Indiana played UCLA.

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Speaker 1: Okay, because the one thing that it is a I

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Speaker 1: been outside the Rose Bowl in Pasadena, but going in

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Speaker 1: as a spectator at an event there. The one thing

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Speaker 1: that I will tell Indiana fans if you have a chance,

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Speaker 1: and by now you probably wouldn't, but if you're buying

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Speaker 1: on the secondary market, try to buy tickets as close

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Speaker 1: to the end of the aisle as possible because the

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Speaker 1: sections are literally like fifty five rows or seats across,

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Speaker 1: and if you're sitting in say twenty seven and twenty eight,

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Speaker 1: it is like an airplane. It is the tightest the

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Speaker 1: the tightest stadium I've ever seen, in the fact that

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Speaker 1: it's you know, ninety thousand seats or whatever. It may

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Speaker 1: be and it should be like sixty five thousand, you

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Speaker 1: know what I mean, but a fabulous venue in Indiana

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Speaker 1: get to be Their question would be this the better

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Speaker 1: matchup for Indiana, Alabama or Oklahoma.

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Speaker 2: You know, I've obviously discussed this with people for I

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Speaker 2: guess a couple of weeks now, and I think it

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Speaker 2: is a difficult question to answer.

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Speaker 3: And the reason why is because I think.

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Speaker 2: A lot of people would lean Oklahoma because Oklahoma has

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Speaker 2: and you know, frankly, even if you look at, you know,

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Speaker 2: some of the games Oklahoma played against teams that were

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Speaker 2: not very good, they still had some offensive issues. I

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Speaker 2: think the flip side is if you're sort of saying,

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Speaker 2: does either of these teams have something about their profile

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Speaker 2: that they do so exceptionally well that that could win

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Speaker 2: by itself, it is Oklahoma defense, and so I think

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Speaker 2: you'd probably lean Oklahoma, you know, maybe allowing for the

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Speaker 3: If you see Alabama, I think you probably lean Oklahoma.

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Speaker 2: But I think that the danger there is if there's

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Speaker 2: kind of one one of these two teams that has

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Speaker 2: a unit, has.

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Speaker 3: A feature.

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Speaker 2: Of itself that can win a game like this just

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Speaker 2: by itself. Oklahoma defense can do that at a level

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Speaker 2: that I'm not sure Alabama can.

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Speaker 3: On either side of the ball.

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Speaker 1: The Indiana stories act, there's nothing, literally you and I

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Speaker 1: could do. Like our sister station just did a fabulous

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Speaker 1: job as they do every year with the WIBC Salvation

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Speaker 1: Army radiothon right so they're on the radio and just

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Speaker 1: NonStop for you know, hours upon hours upon hours, And

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Speaker 1: you and I could do a radiothon right now and

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Speaker 1: talk to We're blue in the face, And yet we

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Speaker 1: still would not be able to properly illustrate how dumb

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Speaker 1: it would be to rule out anything about Indiana at

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Speaker 1: this point, you know what I mean, we've kind of

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Speaker 1: seen that they have now answered every single challenge. But

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Speaker 1: yet do you still think that people see them despite

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Speaker 1: being the number one seed? Are they the favorite in

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Speaker 2: I don't think they're the favorite, and I'm not sure

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Speaker 2: I would make them the favorite. That's not because they're Indiana.

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Speaker 2: That's just because I think on balance, you can still

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Speaker 3: In maybe Georgia would be slight a favorite ahead of them.

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Speaker 2: And I haven't looked at it, like the national championship odds.

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Speaker 2: I don't know where everybody stacks up. I just think like,

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Speaker 2: as good as Indiana is, you have to acknowledge them

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Speaker 2: That's as narrow as the margins gets. And I would

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Speaker 2: just think like Indiana is in that rare air. They

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Speaker 2: both because of their seeding and also because of what

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Speaker 2: they've proven about themselves. I think it's worth pointing out

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Speaker 2: nobody else has the wins Indiana.

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Speaker 3: Does you know that's that's kind of one.

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Speaker 2: Of the big I'm sorry, they.

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Speaker 1: Have the two best wins in college football.

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Speaker 3: They do.

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Speaker 2: And even if you want to kind of go a

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Speaker 2: Penn State, the way they beat Illinois. I mean, you know,

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Speaker 2: even the non conference schedule, that that was such a

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Speaker 2: the in the preseason. Well now two of those teams

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Speaker 2: you know it, nobody's got the sort of what have

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Speaker 2: Now I think there's some injury concerns that that may

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Speaker 2: also just think, like I said, we're talking about the

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Speaker 2: narrowest imaginable margin. We're not talking about in Indiana gets

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Speaker 2: the six wins or seven wins or in Indiana you

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Speaker 2: know beat uh. You know these games we used to

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Speaker 2: and the loser is really going to struggle to find

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Speaker 2: a path. Now we're talking about being the best.

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Speaker 3: Team in the country.

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Speaker 2: And and if you're asking me who I think has

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Speaker 2: the best chance to win a national title.

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Speaker 3: I think Indiana is comfortably in the lead pack.

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Speaker 2: I probably'll have State ever so slightly ahead of them.

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Speaker 2: And then again, I actually think Kirby has kind of

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Speaker 2: brought Georgia to the boil at just the right time

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Speaker 2: this season to put them in that conversation as well.

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Speaker 1: Zach Osterman is my guest Indianapoli star. He's on the

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Speaker 1: Java house peel and poor guest line. Zach. You look

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Speaker 1: at the injury for example, to Stephen Day, who you

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Speaker 1: know as a defensive lineman was a critical tackle for

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Speaker 1: lost guy for Indiana, and you know now we know

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Speaker 1: is not going to be available in the College Football Playoff.

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Speaker 1: But let me ask this and see how I can

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Speaker 1: word this. Does Indiana have more margin for error when

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Speaker 1: it comes to injury based on the fact that it

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Speaker 1: is not a roster that is built with huge disparity

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Speaker 1: then they're reserves, a bunch of younger players or three star,

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Speaker 1: et cetera. There is less drop off per unit with Indiana,

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Speaker 1: and while they are very good players, what Indiana's formula

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Speaker 1: for success is is as much about preparation and execution

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Speaker 1: of what their coach wants versus actual jump out talent

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Speaker 1: across the board, and that allows for greater transfer of

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Speaker 1: execution from one player to the next. Overstating it or

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Speaker 3: So I think that's probably fair, at least to a point.

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Speaker 3: You know. I do think like, however, they solve the

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Speaker 3: Steven Daily you know, sort of problem here.

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Speaker 2: Whether it is just going to the next man up,

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Speaker 2: which is probably Daniel and Dukeway, who's a sophomore, a

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Speaker 3: He came over.

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Speaker 2: He was he was one of the players that was

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Speaker 2: committed to James Madison out of high school and flipped

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Speaker 2: his commitment to Indiana when Kurtz Signetti and his staff

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Speaker 2: came over in the Winner of twenty three, Whether it's

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Speaker 2: of an end last season out to the edge, Whether

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Speaker 2: it is maybe running some more odd fronts Indiana. It's

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Speaker 2: been a pretty consistent four down front this season, but

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Speaker 2: we saw them run quite a bit of odd front

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Speaker 2: last season, you know, between sort of that two man

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Speaker 2: other side. I do think at a certain point, whatever

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Speaker 2: the solution is there, you're giving up something you can't

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Speaker 2: get back, whether it's experience in you know, let's not

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Speaker 2: forget just Steven Day, but also Kellen Wyatt, the Maryland

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Speaker 2: come to the four a little bit more as the

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Speaker 2: little bit this time of year. That could be in

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Speaker 2: moving a player like Landino who's been so productive at tackle.

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Speaker 2: It could be in changing what you're trying to do

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Speaker 2: three three to five. I do think at a certain point, you,

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Speaker 2: like I said, before you start to lose something you

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Speaker 2: can't get back. But I think to your point, the

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Speaker 2: I would say is as long as Indiana's got it's

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Speaker 2: tackle rotation. This is why why I don't think Landino

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Speaker 2: maybe moves as long as Indiana's got its tackle rotation

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Speaker 3: I think that's the heart of this defense.

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Speaker 2: Because that is where it is just so hard to

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Speaker 2: ends the edges have been really good this season. Why

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Speaker 2: it was really good before he got hurt, Daily really

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Speaker 2: Kamaras saddled some injuries. He's also probably just suffered from

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Speaker 2: maybe getting a little bit more attention this season, which

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Speaker 2: has probably opened the door for someone like Wyat or

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Speaker 2: Daily to be a little bit more productive. But the

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Speaker 2: constant has been you know, in soccer, we use the

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Speaker 2: quality of the players that run straight through your team,

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Speaker 2: from your forward to your midfield, to your center backs

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Speaker 2: been the first team All Big Ten player, He's been

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Speaker 2: an All American. I think Mario Landino probably got the

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Speaker 2: three linebackers and how good they've been, how versatile and

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Speaker 2: multiple they are. As long as Indiana has gotten that,

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Speaker 2: I think they'll be okay. And I don't think that

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Speaker 2: your assessment is completely unfair. That there is an extent

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Speaker 2: Haynes and his ability, especially given some time. And I

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Speaker 2: think that's important here because he's had time to figure out.

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Speaker 2: He's had the best part of him a month or

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Speaker 2: he will have had the best part of the month

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Speaker 2: to figure out. Here's how we're going to solve this problem.

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Speaker 2: This wasn't you know, a fix that was concocted on

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Speaker 2: five day's turnaround between games. He's had time to sort

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Speaker 2: of go back to the drawing board, rethink it, rescheme it,

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Speaker 2: and then a bunch of time in practice. Whatever the

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Speaker 2: solution is, to drill it and repeat it and refine it.

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Speaker 2: I think that it is probably I think your your

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Speaker 2: assessment is probably fair.

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Speaker 3: There.

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Speaker 1: I'm curious of this, Zach. You know, I went to Indiana.

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Speaker 1: I grew up in Indiana. My friends, the vast majority

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Speaker 3: You're talking about basically like, does it get to a place.

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Speaker 2: recognize that you've cheered for, that your kids met at

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Speaker 1: I mean, there's something to Zach, no doubt, and you're like, no, now,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And listen, Indiana is also in this moment at

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Speaker 3: And on the basketball side, it's.

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Speaker 2: The first year of a new coach who turned over

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Speaker 2: That sort of water finds its level, and we don't

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Speaker 2: Football is what's going to keep you in the room

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Speaker 3: Football is like, you know, eight point d.

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Speaker 1: It's why during conference realignment nobody cared where Kentucky and

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Speaker 2: And so there is also that I think fans not.

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Speaker 2: I'm not saying that something that should be celebrated, but

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Speaker 2: got to go all in on. Now there's again, like

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Speaker 3: But it is, you know, listen, it is.

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Speaker 2: I think it is possible at once to say Indiana

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Speaker 1: By the way, Canary in the Coal Mine is a

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Speaker 2: Coal Miners used to bring canaries with them into the

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Speaker 3: Poisoning much more quickly than a human.

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Speaker 2: Would, and if the canary passed out or died, then

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Speaker 1: That seems you know, unfair, right it does. Yeah, okay,

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Speaker 1: Lastly, what is Indiana zach real quick? You know, as

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Speaker 1: Indiana gets set now to go out to Pasadena, has

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so they just kind of fired back up this week.

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Speaker 3: This week is the week that they were kind of

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Speaker 2: You know that that Signetti has said he and his

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Speaker 3: The last month.

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Speaker 2: Again, let's try to get some guys healthy, and then

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Speaker 2: I think you're really going to see Indiana beginning to

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Speaker 2: I think that that that's probably gone. Now. You have

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Speaker 2: have a look little bit more time to prepare for

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Speaker 2: the national title. But like it, once you get back

442
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Speaker 2: into that rhythm, there's not going to be time to

443
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Speaker 2: sort of break back out of it and you know,

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Speaker 2: get a little bit more fundamental or philosophical again. So

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Speaker 2: I think that's the only thing that's really changed now

446
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Speaker 2: from the old ball prep is that your younger players,

447
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Speaker 2: the ones that aren't necessarily going to be involved in

448
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Speaker 2: these games, probably aren't getting as much sort of quality

449
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Speaker 2: on field time as if. Coach, you used to almost

450
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Speaker 2: look at bull prep as like you've got a second

451
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Speaker 2: spring season. Now I think it is much more about

452
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Speaker 2: whether you have to buy or you don't. The playoff is.

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Speaker 2: We are intensely focused on us here now and getting

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Speaker 2: ready for whatever now.

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Speaker 1: I have been in bowl seasons since September of nineteen

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Speaker 1: seventy two because it was at that time I began

457
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Speaker 1: focusing on myself and I've never stopped. I'm not going

458
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Speaker 1: to lie to you about that. Zach Ostraman Osterman from

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Speaker 1: the Indianapolis Star Indiana football basketball as well again Hoosiers

460
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Speaker 1: on the basketball side of things, taking on Chicago State.

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Speaker 1: That game is tomorrow. You can hear on our sister

462
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Speaker 1: station wi IBC. Zach appreciate the time as always on

463
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Speaker 1: the Java House, Peela Poor guest Line.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely thanks for having me as.

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Speaker 1: Always joining us now on the Java House Peel and

466
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Speaker 1: Poor Guest Line. He is the radio voice of the

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Speaker 1: Purdue boiler Makers. Purdue with a big one against Auburn

468
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Speaker 1: coming up, as it can seem it seems, Rob Blackman,

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Speaker 1: I think you'd agreed with me on this it seems

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Speaker 1: like the produce schedule literally every single time you turn around,

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Speaker 1: it's a different ranked team staring you in the face.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and I'll tell you what. I would also give

473
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Speaker 5: a tip of the cap to Auburn as well, who's

474
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Speaker 5: going to be their fourth Top ten team. They've played

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Speaker 5: already this year. This will be their twelfth game, and

476
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Speaker 5: for the twelve have been to the Top ten. So

477
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Speaker 5: you have two teams that have not been bashful about

478
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Speaker 5: the scheduling high level competition, and you know, some of

479
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Speaker 5: that stuff like old for instance, when Purdue played in

480
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Speaker 5: the Bahamas, you know, you don't have any real control

481
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Speaker 5: over that. Whoever makes the tournament puts together the schedule.

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Speaker 5: So the fact you got to play Texas Tech certainly helped,

483
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Speaker 5: but there's no way knowing going into it. But yeah,

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Speaker 5: the least as far as the games that produce has

485
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Speaker 5: been able to schedule at their own position, Matt Painter,

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Speaker 5: as he's been doing the last five, six, seven years.

487
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Speaker 5: I've done everything in its power to make sure you

488
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Speaker 5: put together quality schedule and hopefully put enough good teams

489
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Speaker 5: on there to get you ready for the big ten

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Speaker 5: portion of the season.

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Speaker 1: Okay, when you mentioned Top ten games and Robins the

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Speaker 1: first time. You know, I realized that that There have

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Speaker 1: been games since then, two of them as a matter

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Speaker 1: of fact, But I want to go back to this.

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Speaker 1: One of the advantages of scheduling yourself and challenging yourself

496
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Speaker 1: via schedule is you know you could learn things or

497
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Speaker 1: take away things for the regular season. That's really what

498
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Speaker 1: it's all about. But Iowa State came in. It is

499
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Speaker 1: the largest margin of victory on the road between two

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Speaker 1: top ten teams out of conference. I believe in college

501
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Speaker 1: basketball history with what Iowa State was able to do

502
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Speaker 1: to completely control Purdue. Did they expose anything of purduing

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Speaker 1: that game?

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Speaker 5: Boy, good question. I think the only thing, the one

505
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Speaker 5: thing they exposed at least answered a question for Purdue

506
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Speaker 5: that Perdue wasn't quite sure of the answer, and now

507
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Speaker 5: they know it is that Purdue's big three Brayden and

508
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Speaker 5: Fletcher and Tredy, Kaufman Wren cannot have a mediocre to

509
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Speaker 5: bad day all on the same day, not against the

510
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Speaker 5: quality opponent, at least not right now. Matt Painter has

511
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Speaker 5: said as much. As a matter of fact, he talked

512
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Speaker 5: about that earlier this week. I recorded a podcast with

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Speaker 5: him and he was talking about that. When you look

514
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Speaker 5: at Purdue and where they are right now this very

515
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Speaker 5: second December to whatever it's nineteenth, I guess December nineteenth.

516
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Speaker 5: Purdue is not good enough right now to survive a

517
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Speaker 5: day when all three, when you're Big three, have mediocre

518
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Speaker 5: to poor days, which is what happened that day. And look,

519
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Speaker 5: we're going to be truthful here. It was really just

520
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Speaker 5: one bad half. You know, Purdue was down four in

521
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Speaker 5: the first half and as actually we're doing okay. It

522
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Speaker 5: was just the second half got awfully ugly there for Purdue.

523
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Speaker 5: But so that's probably the one the answer that came

524
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Speaker 5: out of that that you were kind of thinking, well,

525
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Speaker 5: I'm not sure about this. Well now you know.

526
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Speaker 3: Now you know.

527
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Speaker 5: Uh, And as Matt Painter you mentioned earlier in the

528
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Speaker 5: week when I talked to him, So now the goal

529
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Speaker 5: is the trick is what do we need to do

530
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Speaker 5: to put ourselves in a position where, if indeed that

531
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Speaker 5: would happen again, say somewhere in the Big ten schedule,

532
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Speaker 5: can we find a way to win, because right now

533
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Speaker 5: not good enough.

534
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Speaker 3: To do that.

535
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Speaker 5: If if you can work your way towards being able

536
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Speaker 5: to do that, when the Big three are playing well

537
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Speaker 5: on the same day and still find a way to win,

538
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Speaker 5: and then you've really made some progress. But that's the

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Speaker 5: one thing to me I think that came out of

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Speaker 5: that game.

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Speaker 1: Rob. Every once in a while, and I know this

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Speaker 1: will shock you, Rob Blackman, our guest job, a house

543
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Speaker 1: peel and poor guest line. Every once in a while

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Speaker 1: I come up with terms to allow my brain to

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Speaker 1: illustrate things. And then I realized that I'm the only

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Speaker 1: one that understands the term. Okay, so let me give

547
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Speaker 1: you a term and then I'm going to explain it

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Speaker 1: to you. Okay, I call it the Darren Hancock phenomenon.

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Speaker 1: Now I'm assuming that you are unfamiliar with the name

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Speaker 1: Darren Hancock. Correct I am, Okay. It is not Herbie

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Speaker 1: Hancock that was rocket, but Darren Hancock was a When

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Speaker 1: I was at the University of Kansas a billion years

553
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Speaker 1: ago and KU was really good, and the big buzz

554
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Speaker 1: was they had signed the number one transfer in the country,

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Speaker 1: Darren Hancock, that was a high fly in twenty plus

556
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Speaker 1: point per game score out of junior college and he

557
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Speaker 1: was going to be the final piece for KU. And

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Speaker 1: he got there. And while Kansas was good, he just

559
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Speaker 1: never found footing and never as good as he was,

560
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Speaker 1: he wasn't good for them. It just didn't work, okay.

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Speaker 1: And you see that a lot with transfers that are

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Speaker 1: upperclassmen because they already have set in their ways kind

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Speaker 1: of the style in which they play. And I was

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Speaker 1: curious as to whether or not Oscar Kluff would be

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Speaker 1: a Darren Hancock phenomenon, and it seems to be the

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Speaker 1: complete opposite. Is this as good an acclamation for a

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Speaker 1: guy as you have seen on Purdue rosters?

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Speaker 5: Well, I would put it in the argument with Lance

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Speaker 5: Jones if we're just talking grad transfers for one year,

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Speaker 5: I think getting Purdue fan would admit Lance Jones was

571
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Speaker 5: the missing peach that got Purdue to the Final Four.

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Speaker 5: Even though he was the worst three point shooter on

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Speaker 5: the team if you just go percentages as far as

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Speaker 5: the guys that were shooting the most of them.

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Speaker 3: Even though his.

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Speaker 5: Turnover numbers were way too high, he still was the

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Speaker 5: missing piece that Purdue needed from his effort on the

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Speaker 5: defensive end and the fact that he could hit the

579
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Speaker 5: big shot. You never knew when it was coming, but

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Speaker 5: he could do it. So I would put those two

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Speaker 5: in that same argument. I have to tell you, Jake,

582
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Speaker 5: he was. Of course, last spring was so crazy you

583
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Speaker 5: had because the transfer portal had opened up. Purdue was

584
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Speaker 5: in Indianapolis getting ready to play in the Sweet sixteen.

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Speaker 5: So you know, look, this wasn't immune to exclusive I

586
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Speaker 5: should say is purdueco But anyone who is still in

587
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Speaker 5: the Sweet sixteen was in this predicament that if you're

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Speaker 5: trying to coach your team and get ready to try

589
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Speaker 5: to advance in the NCAA tournament, but the transfer portal

590
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Speaker 5: windows open, so you're also trying to make your team

591
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Speaker 5: better for next year. So you have all these different

592
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Speaker 5: things on your plate. And I'm telling you this story

593
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Speaker 5: because I can promise you spending enough time with the

594
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Speaker 5: Purdue coaches in downtown Indy last year prepping for that

595
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Speaker 5: Houston Sweet sixteen game, there was a whole lot of

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Speaker 5: discussion about Oscar Cluck is the guy we absolutely have

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Speaker 5: to have. You know, if you said, okay, you can

598
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Speaker 5: get one guy from the portal, but you have to

599
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Speaker 5: sell your soul to the devil, it would have been

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Speaker 5: Oscar Cluck. That It's how sold they were on what

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Speaker 5: they thought he could bring to this team. Sure enough,

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Speaker 5: that these do. The first eleven games, he has done

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Speaker 5: just that. I mean he's the number one field goal

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Speaker 5: percent percentage to make seventy five percent. I mean he

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Speaker 5: doesn't take bad shots. He takes shots he knows he

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Speaker 5: can make. And that's while averaging twelve points a game.

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Speaker 5: It's one thing if you're averaging two points a game, right,

608
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Speaker 5: but he's averaging twelve points a game shooting seventy conference.

609
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Speaker 5: He's a good pre throw shooter, eighty one percent house shooter,

610
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Speaker 5: and he leads the country in offensive rebounding percentage. So

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Speaker 5: everything for due needed in the portal they got. And yes,

612
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Speaker 5: you never know, and you're talking about your guy, Hancock,

613
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Speaker 5: you never know when you bring those guys in. You

614
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Speaker 5: watch them one film as much as you can that

615
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Speaker 5: you know, the coaches do their due diligence, They talk

616
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Speaker 5: to other coaches or the players whatever in DA scouts,

617
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 5: all these guys that big trust. But you never really know.

618
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Speaker 5: But the fact that Oscar Cluff has yes acclimated himself

619
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Speaker 5: not only just to be a good player, but apparently

620
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Speaker 5: it seems to have plugged every single hole that needed

621
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Speaker 5: plugged to have an elite team again this year has

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Speaker 5: got a come story.

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Speaker 1: And I don't mean this to be on the negative

624
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Speaker 1: side of it, Rob, but I'm curious, has the reliability

625
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Speaker 1: and the just the minutes that Kluff is giving them,

626
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Speaker 1: has that come at the cost of anything else, In

627
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Speaker 1: other words, maybe taking away a little bit from the

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Speaker 1: establishment offensively of Trey Kaufmann, who has still been very,

629
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Speaker 1: very good, or the growth of Daniel Jacobson, Or is

630
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Speaker 1: it really the perfect balance kind of across all three.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think the perfect balance. And especially with Trey

632
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Speaker 5: Kaufman Wren. His scoring numbers are down, but that's actually

633
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:15,840
Speaker 5: a good thing for Purdue. You know, Trey last year

634
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 5: averaged twenty points six points a game that was top

635
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Speaker 5: ten in the country. He's down to thirteen points a

636
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Speaker 5: game this year. The reason Purdue has another viable option

637
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Speaker 5: in the low post, actually two of them, and Jacobson

638
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 5: and Kluff. So last year when Purdue through the ball inside,

639
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Speaker 5: they were throwing it to one guy. Let's all be

640
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Speaker 5: very quite oster throwing it to one guy, Tray Taufman

641
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Speaker 5: w Rent.

642
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Speaker 4: That's it.

643
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Speaker 5: Now you have three guys that you feel comfortable throwing

644
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Speaker 5: the ball to in the low post. The other thing's

645
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Speaker 5: really helped Trey with is is rebounding. You know, last

646
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Speaker 5: year Trey always had to go against the bigger centers

647
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Speaker 5: in the league, so his rebounding numbers weren't great six

648
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Speaker 5: and a half or so a game. This year there

649
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Speaker 5: you know, he's a ten point four rebounds a game,

650
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Speaker 5: which is top ten in the country, mainly because now

651
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:57,760
Speaker 5: he gets to rebounding against guys his size. The other

652
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Speaker 5: four is the other power forwards. So it's really helped

653
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Speaker 5: Tray's game. Again, if you're just looking across the board statistically,

654
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Speaker 5: can you look at points only you're like, yeah, is

655
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Speaker 5: Trey taking a step back? I don't think he's staying

656
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Speaker 5: a step back at all. He's actually flourished from the

657
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 5: fact that now he has a guy down there on

658
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:17,040
Speaker 5: Oscar Cluff And look, this is not Zach Edy. Like, okay,

659
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 5: I don't want to. I think I made a mistake

660
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:22,200
Speaker 5: earlier talking to some posts, I said, oh, you know,

661
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 5: you know Zach Edy. It was similar numbers when Zach

662
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:27,880
Speaker 5: Edy was playing per Tray. No, Oscar Cluff is not

663
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 5: Zach Edy. Making no mistake about that. However, there are

664
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:34,200
Speaker 5: enough similarities there that at least allows Trey to play

665
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:37,360
Speaker 5: his own natural position and really relish in that position.

666
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 5: So yeah, well the scoring numbers might be down, I

667
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 5: think as a whole, if you're just looking at the

668
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:45,080
Speaker 5: team as a whole, it's actually been better for this

669
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 5: whole team. And Trey Kaufman ran himself.

670
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Speaker 1: I just think Trey Kaufman wran this year, Caleb first

671
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:56,200
Speaker 1: before him. If you are a fan of college basketball,

672
00:33:56,880 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 1: if you were a fan of doing things the right way,

673
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:06,320
Speaker 1: if you are a fan of selflessness and team concept

674
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:09,839
Speaker 1: in what has become fewer, and if you're a fan

675
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 1: of Indiana football and you like the fact that it

676
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:15,560
Speaker 1: is players that are doing what their coach needs as

677
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:19,120
Speaker 1: opposed to what their resume needs, then you should be

678
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:21,759
Speaker 1: a fan of pretty basketball because Trey Kaufman Wren and

679
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:25,120
Speaker 1: that sacrifice of yeah, I'm going to lose forty percent

680
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:27,319
Speaker 1: of my scoring, but it's what's best for my team.

681
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:29,840
Speaker 1: Caleb First, Yeah, I'm going to go from being a starter,

682
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:31,839
Speaker 1: but I'm going to go to med school and I'm

683
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:33,759
Speaker 1: going to do what needs to be done. It's what's

684
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:36,880
Speaker 1: best for my team. And these guys coming back and

685
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 1: sticking with it. Rob, I just think it is a

686
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 1: blueprint in college basketball that literally everybody in this country

687
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 1: that likes sports should admire. And I think that that

688
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:51,879
Speaker 1: absolutely exemplifies it well.

689
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Speaker 5: And I love to tell a story of Trey Colman Wrenn.

690
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:56,400
Speaker 5: The reason he's a fifty year players because he voluntarily

691
00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:58,960
Speaker 5: took a red shirt as a freshman. I mean, think

692
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:00,880
Speaker 5: about that. He was the gate A Player of the

693
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:03,359
Speaker 5: Year in the state of Indiana. Okay, we're not We're

694
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 5: not talking about you know, Hawaii, No offense to Hawaii

695
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:10,360
Speaker 5: High school, lass, We're talking to Indiana, dude, and he

696
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:13,879
Speaker 5: voluntarily took a red shirt because he knew it would

697
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:16,879
Speaker 5: be best for his for his long term career as

698
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 5: a college player. So yeah, that's a guy that has

699
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:21,799
Speaker 5: it all together. And I'm with you, man. I watched

700
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:26,920
Speaker 5: that Heisman except acceptance speech from Fernando Mendoza, and I

701
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:29,480
Speaker 5: was like, Robert, what a great dude. What an absolutely

702
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:32,480
Speaker 5: great not only college athlete, but just great human being.

703
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 1: It's just ambassador, right.

704
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:38,640
Speaker 5: Absolutely what what a great ambassador for Indiana University. Forget

705
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:41,920
Speaker 5: the football part, uh, but Trey very similar for Purdue.

706
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Speaker 5: And you know you mentioned Caleb first and others. Yes,

707
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:48,000
Speaker 5: isn't it refreshing? As a fan, uh, to see these

708
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:51,600
Speaker 5: young people that put the team first, the team goals

709
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 5: ahead of their individual accolades, and then and they're smart

710
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 5: enough to know. Obviously, I don't can't speak for Mendoza,

711
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:00,239
Speaker 5: and I can't speak for creykoffin Ren, but I can

712
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:02,279
Speaker 5: only assume they're smart enough to know. If I'm on

713
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 5: a really really good team, right and I'm a really

714
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:06,479
Speaker 5: really good player, I'm going to get.

715
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 1: My I'm gonna get my shot, right Yeah.

716
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 3: Absolutely, that's all it comes down to.

717
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:12,320
Speaker 5: I don't have to average twenty a game here. I

718
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:15,279
Speaker 5: can average thirteen and ten on the sixth range team

719
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 5: in the country, and I'm still going to get the

720
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:18,040
Speaker 5: attention that I need.

721
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Speaker 1: Do you know the best thing about being the Gatorade

722
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:21,920
Speaker 1: Player of the Year in Hawaii?

723
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:27,279
Speaker 4: Oh my godness, No, no, I do not.

724
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:33,920
Speaker 1: You're in Hawaii right there, man, right true? Like, Also,

725
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:36,719
Speaker 1: there's a kid right now, there's a kid right now

726
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:39,480
Speaker 1: in Hawaii that's sipping his Gatorade out of an iced

727
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:42,080
Speaker 1: tea glass and he's like, really seventy five and Sonny

728
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:43,719
Speaker 1: out here, big boy? Are things out there?

729
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:45,919
Speaker 3: Yes?

730
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. I mean, unless it's Greg

731
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:50,359
Speaker 1: Brady trying to take some surfing waves. Things are pretty

732
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 1: good in Hawaii, you know, I mean, don't kid yourself.

733
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Speaker 3: Rob. You know I'm with you. If it was up

734
00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:58,759
Speaker 3: to me, would play in the Mali Invitations.

735
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:03,000
Speaker 1: Let's go oh right, yep, but it is Auburn perduing

736
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 1: Auburn coming up six thirty on Saturday. Rob Blackman will

737
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:07,719
Speaker 1: be on the call. Rob. If we do not talk

738
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:11,440
Speaker 1: to you, have a very, very healthy and happy holiday season.

739
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:15,360
Speaker 3: Man, we'll do Jake, thank you and Merry Christmas to you.

740
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:17,719
Speaker 3: And yeah, let's chat again sometime in the new year.

741
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 1: All right, sounds good. That is Rob Blackman joining us

742
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:24,840
Speaker 1: on the Java House Peel and Poor Gaslam. Eddie, do

743
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:33,799
Speaker 1: you happen to have the breaking news sounder? This just Dan.

744
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 1: I would like for you to please welcome and thank Stacy.

745
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 1: Stacy with an E female listener, thirty five Eddie check

746
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Speaker 1: it in up to thirty five now, female listeners. Did

747
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:49,319
Speaker 1: you ever think you'd see the day? I wonder if

748
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 1: her mom's got to go it on? Okay, I think

749
00:37:57,239 --> 00:38:01,640
Speaker 1: we're done here. Okay, well thanks everybody. Shame he's up

750
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Speaker 1: next joining us now, and I'm sure thrilled to be

751
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:07,800
Speaker 1: doing so based on that little interchange. He is on

752
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 1: the Java House Peel and Poor guest line, Kevin Bowen.

753
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:12,319
Speaker 1: You hear him in the mornings and he has been

754
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:15,439
Speaker 1: camped out over at the Colts Complex on this week

755
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:17,680
Speaker 1: where it is a Monday. So we still got another

756
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:21,640
Speaker 1: show before we get into Colts game stuff with San Francisco.

757
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:25,239
Speaker 1: But I want to begin with this, Kevin, I thought yesterday,

758
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 1: But again, your boots on the ground, you're able to

759
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 1: see and sometimes you can just tell the temperative things

760
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:34,800
Speaker 1: by being in the room and seeing people's reactions. It

761
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:39,520
Speaker 1: felt to me like there were mixed messages between and

762
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:42,720
Speaker 1: I don't mean that maliciously, between Shane Stikeen and Anthony

763
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:46,759
Speaker 1: Richardson as to the severity of the eye injury for

764
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Speaker 1: Anthony Richardson and the vision moving forward your thoughts by

765
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:53,759
Speaker 1: being there front and center for it.

766
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:57,279
Speaker 6: Yeah, and I think there's definitely been times where in

767
00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:00,239
Speaker 6: persuire with Richardson, you know sometimes you know, maybe what

768
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 6: Shane has said or what the organization has said is

769
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:06,719
Speaker 6: not necessarily been either heard by Richardson, or you know,

770
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:09,160
Speaker 6: again maybe it sounds a little different to him.

771
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:11,640
Speaker 4: I probably walked away from yesterday.

772
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:15,800
Speaker 6: It's more just player downplaying injury, which happens in every sport.

773
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:20,239
Speaker 4: I don't think it was necessarily you know, the.

774
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:22,400
Speaker 6: Same thing as maybe some past mixed messaging. I think

775
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:27,319
Speaker 6: there's a very real vision impairment here and he's going

776
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:30,360
Speaker 6: to have to, you know, I guess deal with it

777
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:32,800
Speaker 6: for the time being. Maybe it gets better, maybe it

778
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 6: does not, but that's the reality of where he's at. So,

779
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 6: you know, I don't know if you can make a

780
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:41,200
Speaker 6: comparison of a whatever, a person that wears contacts and

781
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:43,239
Speaker 6: then they're asked to do some sort of activity or

782
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 6: sporting event without contacts in and you know how that

783
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:49,440
Speaker 6: sort of impairment would go. But again, I mean he's

784
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:51,920
Speaker 6: I mean the retina has been damaged. There is scarring

785
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:54,640
Speaker 6: on his eye that is causing some blurred vision. It

786
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 6: could heal, it might not. We'll see what happens, maybe

787
00:39:58,080 --> 00:39:59,880
Speaker 6: in the off season, if another procedures need.

788
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:03,000
Speaker 4: But you know, I do think.

789
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:05,040
Speaker 6: Shane's words, if he's going out to manage it was

790
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:07,319
Speaker 6: probably one of the more jarring comments of the day.

791
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Speaker 6: You know, it's one thing to manage a sprained ankle,

792
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 6: to manage you know, some level of imparavision to getting

793
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 6: not to the point where he can't drive or can't

794
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:19,400
Speaker 6: you know, obviously attempt to practice in football. But whatever

795
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:23,160
Speaker 6: if twenty twenty is you know, not necessarily there for him,

796
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:25,520
Speaker 6: you know, that's what he's gonna have to deal with.

797
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Speaker 1: You know, Kevin. The one of the questions I had

798
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Speaker 1: about this, and I don't know, it was explained a

799
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:35,680
Speaker 1: little bit yesterday, and I was hoping you might know.

800
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Speaker 3: I don't.

801
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 1: Maybe I don't think he brought it out to show everybody,

802
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:41,919
Speaker 1: But I was just talking about, you know, any gym

803
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:45,840
Speaker 1: you see there are devices now they have that it

804
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:49,640
Speaker 1: has basically a plastic you know, round area that you

805
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:52,320
Speaker 1: put your foot on, and then it has two handles

806
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:54,760
Speaker 1: with rubber and you pull those out and that stretches

807
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:57,719
Speaker 1: your leg and your arms both and it's all one contraption.

808
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:02,319
Speaker 1: Was it something like that that broken snapback? Or did

809
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:05,640
Speaker 1: he simply have bands that he was using to like,

810
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:08,640
Speaker 1: you know, wrap around a post or something and the

811
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:12,080
Speaker 1: post itself snapped and came back and hit him or

812
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 1: do we know the reason why is because somebody had

813
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:18,759
Speaker 1: asked me if there was a manufacturer malfunction that could

814
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:20,600
Speaker 1: be responsible for this, and then you get into a

815
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:23,080
Speaker 1: whole other area, which sounds ludicrous, but at the same

816
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:25,719
Speaker 1: time I thought was a fair question. Yeah.

817
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:28,839
Speaker 6: I mean, he tried to explain it yesterday. I don't

818
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:31,520
Speaker 6: believe it is the elastic band itself.

819
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 4: I believe that that's part.

820
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:36,560
Speaker 6: Affiliated with it, some sort of whatever bar mechanism.

821
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 1: Again, I don't know that for sure, but that is

822
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 1: my assumption with that, So it was all one contraption.

823
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:46,839
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, I don't know if he a blastic band,

824
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:49,400
Speaker 6: you know, whatever goes on the bar, or you know,

825
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:52,640
Speaker 6: how exactly that works. But I believe that is the

826
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:55,080
Speaker 6: part that broke, that caused the orbital fracture, which caused

827
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Speaker 6: the trauma in the eye, and which caused the you know,

828
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Speaker 6: I think there was a real period there where they

829
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:02,360
Speaker 6: thought potentially he could lose his vision. And you know,

830
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:04,560
Speaker 6: if anything I've gathered, it is rather unprecedented for a

831
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 6: quarterback to be dealing with anything like this. I mean,

832
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:12,120
Speaker 6: you could say many athletes, but in particularly a quarterback.

833
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 6: I guess if you're looking for a little bit of optimism,

834
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:18,480
Speaker 6: it is the right eye. So for the right handed quarterback,

835
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 6: I think you'd probably if you had. Obviously it's not

836
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:23,759
Speaker 6: ideal for either, but you know, blind sidewise would be

837
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:26,120
Speaker 6: more of your left eye kind of looking over that.

838
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:28,680
Speaker 4: Shoulder, so you know.

839
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 6: But again this is a very gruesome and quite the

840
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:36,040
Speaker 6: ugly scene when it all unfold the form. And like

841
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:37,879
Speaker 6: he said yesterday, you know, there's a point in time

842
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:40,319
Speaker 6: early in the recovery process, which is now two months

843
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:44,560
Speaker 6: plus that he thought today I yesterday wouldn't have been possible,

844
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:48,480
Speaker 6: like him even practicing this season. So clearly he has

845
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:52,120
Speaker 6: made enough progress with his vision that he is able

846
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Speaker 6: to do that.

847
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Speaker 1: To me, Kevin Bowen, the easy answer is this, And

848
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:00,359
Speaker 1: I know that there's still football to be played year,

849
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 1: but it seems almost a foregone conclusion now that you

850
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:09,799
Speaker 1: simply franchise Daniel Jones, you tag him, You get him

851
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:12,919
Speaker 1: for one more year so that you can see where

852
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 1: he is without having commitment beyond that year. In other words,

853
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:18,359
Speaker 1: you don't sign him right, no, out of a four

854
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:20,760
Speaker 1: year deal, which they may have been on the collision

855
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:24,040
Speaker 1: course towards doing or the inevitability towards doing before Jones

856
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:26,600
Speaker 1: got hurt. So now you franchise, tag him, and you

857
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 1: just see where you are, and maybe you have someone

858
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:31,960
Speaker 1: else that takes over for the first couple of games

859
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 1: before he then gets back out onto the field. In

860
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:37,600
Speaker 1: playing circumstance, talking about next year, you think that's a

861
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:38,920
Speaker 1: fair assessment.

862
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:45,000
Speaker 6: Well, that's an expensive franchise tag if Daniel Jones isn't.

863
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:45,160
Speaker 4: Going to play.

864
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 6: I mean, if I'm not mistakeing, I think it's north

865
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:48,120
Speaker 6: of forty five million.

866
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:51,399
Speaker 1: So but it's only one year though, so you're only

867
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:54,319
Speaker 1: committing yourself for a year, because wouldn't it be more

868
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:56,279
Speaker 1: expensive if you gave him a three or four year

869
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 1: deal and then find out that he is not the

870
00:43:58,200 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 1: same guy?

871
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 2: I think.

872
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:01,960
Speaker 6: Guess what the Colts gonna have to find out here

873
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:04,440
Speaker 6: before mid March is you know, do you sit down

874
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:06,279
Speaker 6: with this team and obviously the team's going to want

875
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:08,279
Speaker 6: to try and squeeze every dollar, but you know you

876
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:10,160
Speaker 6: sit there and say, hey, you know there's a good

877
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:12,360
Speaker 6: chance whatever, he's going to be limited in some capacity

878
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:12,640
Speaker 6: here in.

879
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:16,239
Speaker 4: Twenty twenty six. You know what if we did whatever fifteen.

880
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:18,080
Speaker 6: Million this first year and then you know the second

881
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:20,440
Speaker 6: and the third year has a little bit more money

882
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 6: on that.

883
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:24,440
Speaker 4: Now, you know again, them saying yes to that is.

884
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:28,360
Speaker 6: Probably a different answer for you, but I mean slapping

885
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:32,440
Speaker 6: the franchise tag if you are skeptical about his availability

886
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:35,160
Speaker 6: for forty six million dollars for one years just seems

887
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:38,879
Speaker 6: a really really rich. I get that quarterbacks can create

888
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:42,920
Speaker 6: a lot of leverage, but that's a lot now. I

889
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:46,400
Speaker 6: think internally the Colts feel like Daniel Jones is going

890
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:48,279
Speaker 6: to be ready and could be ready as early as

891
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:48,640
Speaker 6: Week one.

892
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:51,680
Speaker 4: Now ready and playing you know, quality football.

893
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:55,600
Speaker 6: Probably two different answers there, But like if I were

894
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:56,719
Speaker 6: a betting man right now, I.

895
00:44:57,680 --> 00:44:58,360
Speaker 4: Think the Colts.

896
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:00,080
Speaker 6: If you ask me how the Colts view it, I

897
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:01,879
Speaker 6: think I think Daniel Jones would be the Week one starter.

898
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:04,239
Speaker 7: Does Daniel does Daniel Jones want to be back Kevin?

899
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 7: Because I go back to that, you know, that Instagram

900
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:09,640
Speaker 7: post heamate and we have to over analyze these things

901
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 7: just because we don't get to talk to athletes, especially

902
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:14,200
Speaker 7: after they suffer injuries. But when I read that, it

903
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:17,520
Speaker 7: sounded and looked like a goodbye message to the fans

904
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:18,520
Speaker 7: and to the Colts players.

905
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:22,520
Speaker 4: I boy, I don't. I'd have to go back and

906
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:22,840
Speaker 4: read it.

907
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 5: I don't.

908
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:27,279
Speaker 6: I don't remember myself reading that much into it. I

909
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:29,480
Speaker 6: mean maybe a goodbye for twenty twenty five, of course.

910
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:32,600
Speaker 6: But I mean, I think if you were Daniel Jones,

911
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:34,960
Speaker 6: you have to look at the situation here and realize

912
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:38,600
Speaker 6: on and off the field it helped your career greatly.

913
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:42,480
Speaker 6: He doesn't strike me as necessarily the big city guy.

914
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:46,320
Speaker 6: And you know, I could Minnesota re enter the picture.

915
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:49,759
Speaker 6: I mean, they obviously liked him enough, and uh, you know,

916
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 6: they did go with JJ McCarthy. We'll see how McCarthy

917
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:54,680
Speaker 6: plays out, and you know they they'll probably go down

918
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:55,319
Speaker 6: that path again.

919
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:57,080
Speaker 4: But you know, that could be a team that enters it.

920
00:45:57,200 --> 00:45:59,879
Speaker 6: But I think everything that Shane Stikeen did for him,

921
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:02,839
Speaker 6: absuming it's the same regime, I would think it would make,

922
00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:05,000
Speaker 6: you know, certainly sense for the Jones camp.

923
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 4: To want to be here.

924
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:09,120
Speaker 6: And he's already made a lot of money in his

925
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:11,440
Speaker 6: NFL career, not that you're just simply trying to go

926
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:16,160
Speaker 6: to wherever top dollar is everywhere. But you know, if

927
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:18,200
Speaker 6: I were him, I would say, well, the situation worked

928
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:20,480
Speaker 6: out pretty well for me, and you know the other

929
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:23,759
Speaker 6: one didn't. So you know, maybe not cut of a deal,

930
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:26,600
Speaker 6: but you know, if it's whatever two or three million

931
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:29,640
Speaker 6: dollar difference, maybe you're not necessarily going to rush to

932
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:30,759
Speaker 6: that top dollar right away.

933
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:36,320
Speaker 1: You know, the last night, Kevin, did I assume, I

934
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:39,439
Speaker 1: mean you saw some of, if not all, that last

935
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 1: night to me between the Rams in Seattle was the

936
00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:44,720
Speaker 1: best game so far this season in the NFL.

937
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:48,160
Speaker 4: Agree or disagree, Yeah, I mean it's definitely got to

938
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:48,680
Speaker 4: be up there.

939
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:53,080
Speaker 6: Yeah, just the back and forth nature, either the wild

940
00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:56,239
Speaker 6: two point conversion, you know, the big punt return, the

941
00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:59,440
Speaker 6: big comeback. Obviously the wild two point versions is just

942
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:03,080
Speaker 6: a ploroughly you know, certainly with the backward pass, but

943
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:05,960
Speaker 6: also there by Mike McDonald to go for it.

944
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:07,200
Speaker 4: So yeah, I mean.

945
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:10,239
Speaker 6: Stafford and Pooka looking like the best quarterback white out

946
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:12,400
Speaker 6: tandem they've been all year. Yeah, I mean all of

947
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:15,480
Speaker 6: the two divisional teams, you know, great environment.

948
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely, because you have to the reason I bring

949
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:22,880
Speaker 1: that up, if you are Chris Ballard, it had to

950
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:25,520
Speaker 1: actually make you feel pretty good to an extent, because

951
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:27,200
Speaker 1: I know they didn't beat the Rams, I get it,

952
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:29,480
Speaker 1: but I think the Rams may well be the best

953
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:33,360
Speaker 1: team in the league. And you also have a Seattle

954
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:38,400
Speaker 1: team that you know, Darnald represents to an extent what

955
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:41,920
Speaker 1: a Daniel Jones could be because Darnald is a guy

956
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:45,239
Speaker 1: that was written off by several places, including obviously in

957
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:47,880
Speaker 1: the same spot as Daniel Jones a year ago, and

958
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:51,680
Speaker 1: yet once you built around him, he last night I

959
00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:53,719
Speaker 1: thought he showed a lot of pocket presence late in

960
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:57,000
Speaker 1: that game. Daniel Jones post that Eddie had mentioned was

961
00:47:57,080 --> 00:48:00,080
Speaker 1: thank you to my teammates, coaches, the Colts organization and

962
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:02,880
Speaker 1: all the fans for the overwhelming support. Tough way to

963
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:04,759
Speaker 1: end this season, but it has been an honor to

964
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:07,120
Speaker 1: wear the horseshoe and play for the Colts fans. I'll

965
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:09,600
Speaker 1: mislighting up with my guys, but I'll be riding with

966
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:12,520
Speaker 1: them every step of the way. Go Colts. So that

967
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:14,759
Speaker 1: sounds like a guy that would be open to coming back.

968
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:18,320
Speaker 1: But last night, I just thought that the darnled situation,

969
00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:21,800
Speaker 1: combined with the Rams and the way that they looked,

970
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 1: both of those things have to give Chris Ballard some

971
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:31,839
Speaker 1: good feeling moving forward. Question is does that optimism way

972
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:35,799
Speaker 1: over and carry over into his boss and the ownership

973
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 1: that he has them going in the right direction and

974
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:39,279
Speaker 1: should be there next year.

975
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:45,239
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think it's obviously a great question, And you know,

976
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:46,960
Speaker 6: I know It probably sounds like a cop out, but

977
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:48,160
Speaker 6: I think with Carli Orsa.

978
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:49,800
Speaker 4: Gordon, the first answer to be, we just don't know.

979
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 6: I mean, it's no past precedent with or to you know,

980
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:56,000
Speaker 6: kind of judge other decisions off that you might have

981
00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:58,719
Speaker 6: with athletic directors or owners or you know, people that.

982
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:03,520
Speaker 4: Are in those sorts of authoritative roles.

983
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:05,920
Speaker 6: Now, I think when they made the trade for Sauca Gardner,

984
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:08,440
Speaker 6: every indication was, well, yeah, you don't do that if

985
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:09,879
Speaker 6: you don't think everybody's going to be back.

986
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:12,520
Speaker 4: But you know, if you had told me at the

987
00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 4: start of the year that, assuming this trend.

988
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:19,800
Speaker 6: Continues, the Colts would miss the playoffs, I would not

989
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:22,040
Speaker 6: have thought to myself that you would then just run

990
00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:23,160
Speaker 6: it all back.

991
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:26,320
Speaker 4: And it's not like the quarterback position has been solved.

992
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:29,080
Speaker 6: I mean, yes, Daniel Jones played you know, two very

993
00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:32,719
Speaker 6: good months of football. But unfortunately, you know, the most

994
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:35,080
Speaker 6: consistent thing that Daniel Jones' career so far has been

995
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:36,000
Speaker 6: season indian injury.

996
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:38,319
Speaker 1: And the breaks were starting to whistle a little bit there,

997
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:40,480
Speaker 1: weren't they, you know what I mean, Like, I know

998
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:42,920
Speaker 1: that he was really good through eight games, but he

999
00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:45,440
Speaker 1: was also starting to show some of those things that

1000
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:47,520
Speaker 1: you know, fans in New York had to be like, see,

1001
00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:50,440
Speaker 1: there's a reason it was TJ Max, Right.

1002
00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:53,120
Speaker 6: Yeah, No, that is a that is a good way

1003
00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:55,439
Speaker 6: to put it as well. So even if you want

1004
00:49:55,640 --> 00:49:57,960
Speaker 6: to ignore that aspect of it, which I don't think

1005
00:49:58,040 --> 00:49:59,920
Speaker 6: necessarily you you can. But if you want to give

1006
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:02,479
Speaker 6: what benefit of the doubt as a player, there still

1007
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:06,000
Speaker 6: is a question of just again overall health and making

1008
00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:08,120
Speaker 6: it through a season, a season when he wasn't hit

1009
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:11,960
Speaker 6: you know, very much, and all of those things. So

1010
00:50:13,640 --> 00:50:15,479
Speaker 6: you know, this is where I just get really torn

1011
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:17,000
Speaker 6: on it because the Gardner trade.

1012
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:17,719
Speaker 4: Is obvious to me.

1013
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:20,399
Speaker 6: It's like, wait, I mean, yeah, everybody's going to be back,

1014
00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:23,640
Speaker 6: but I mean if they are to lose I mean,

1015
00:50:23,719 --> 00:50:25,920
Speaker 6: right now, what is it four in a row? You know,

1016
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:27,680
Speaker 6: it could be seven. Let's say they win one of

1017
00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:29,360
Speaker 6: the last three but missed the playoffs. I mean, you

1018
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:32,680
Speaker 6: lose six of your last seven when Chris Ballard, arguably

1019
00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:35,160
Speaker 6: the thing he was most vocal about at the end

1020
00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:36,839
Speaker 6: of last season was we have to find a way

1021
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:39,719
Speaker 6: to win, you know, end of season games better. You know,

1022
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:42,680
Speaker 6: on the egregious scale of this season, are there others

1023
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:45,600
Speaker 6: that are above it. Certainly, I don't think end of

1024
00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:50,840
Speaker 6: the injury situation you can't totally ignore. But you know,

1025
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:52,640
Speaker 6: at the same time, it's like, just how much longer

1026
00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:56,680
Speaker 6: are we going to continue to whatever, make excuses run

1027
00:50:56,760 --> 00:50:58,560
Speaker 6: it back without tangible results.

1028
00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:00,719
Speaker 4: You know, seven of the sixteen teams each conference make

1029
00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:02,520
Speaker 4: the playoffs. I mean that's just about half.

1030
00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:05,680
Speaker 6: You know, when this playoff field expanded, you know, back

1031
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:08,120
Speaker 6: whatever it was a half dozen years ago, I mean,

1032
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:11,560
Speaker 6: that's created almost half of each conference. And now you know,

1033
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:13,840
Speaker 6: if you don't make it for a fifth straight year.

1034
00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:18,160
Speaker 4: That to me is jarring. But again with Carly, we

1035
00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 4: just don't know.

1036
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:22,439
Speaker 1: Kevin Bowen is my guest fan Morning show. Of course

1037
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:25,000
Speaker 1: you hear him along with James Boyd jeff Rickord each

1038
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:28,719
Speaker 1: and every morning from seven until ten am on this

1039
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:31,600
Speaker 1: radio station. Kevin, before we get to your son's pick,

1040
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:34,680
Speaker 1: I'm curious of this, And first off is your son

1041
00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:36,080
Speaker 1: does he make it? What do we do on the

1042
00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:38,120
Speaker 1: Monday with the schedule here in terms of your son's

1043
00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:38,760
Speaker 1: colts picks?

1044
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:40,799
Speaker 4: Yeah, they're sitting on the counter right now.

1045
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:43,000
Speaker 6: I just I just took out the forty nine ers helmet,

1046
00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:46,080
Speaker 6: so yeah, it's sitting there and it we have not

1047
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:47,000
Speaker 6: made a pick yet.

1048
00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:49,279
Speaker 4: He did pick the seahawks. He asked if they were

1049
00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:50,120
Speaker 4: big or small.

1050
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:53,600
Speaker 6: I don't know if your anatomy or your zoology brain

1051
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:54,520
Speaker 6: would have an answer to that.

1052
00:51:54,680 --> 00:51:56,960
Speaker 1: Well, I told you they're ospreys. They are rather large.

1053
00:51:57,000 --> 00:52:00,440
Speaker 1: They are basically hawks, but of a water region.

1054
00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:01,960
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, that's right.

1055
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:05,680
Speaker 6: That's because I said, whenever you do do retire, not

1056
00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:08,040
Speaker 6: that you're Philip Rivers or Matt Ryan, but whenever you

1057
00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:09,400
Speaker 6: do hang it up, you need to go work at

1058
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:09,719
Speaker 6: the zoo.

1059
00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:11,759
Speaker 3: That's right.

1060
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:14,440
Speaker 1: Our friend Jersey Johnny worked at the zoo. It's a

1061
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:16,960
Speaker 1: perfect natural segue. Right, I love it.

1062
00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:17,600
Speaker 3: I love it.

1063
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:20,280
Speaker 1: Okay, so you'll be making the pick win.

1064
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:23,640
Speaker 4: Well, I assume probably later later today.

1065
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:25,640
Speaker 6: You know, the Monday game is just kind of weird

1066
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:27,880
Speaker 6: and in the sense of it, you know, it seems like,

1067
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:30,560
Speaker 6: you know, we're not we should be.

1068
00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:32,600
Speaker 4: There, but we're not there yet. It's it's a long

1069
00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:33,360
Speaker 4: way to Monday night.

1070
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:35,919
Speaker 6: I believe It's what Hank Williams said at one point

1071
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:39,440
Speaker 6: in time. So yes, we'll release that this weekend.

1072
00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:40,120
Speaker 4: He did again.

1073
00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:41,400
Speaker 6: When last week he was on a bit of a

1074
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:42,800
Speaker 6: losing streak. So I want to say he's eight and

1075
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:44,560
Speaker 6: six on the year, if that's right.

1076
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:48,399
Speaker 1: Okay, I mean that, I'll believe you. Eight and six.

1077
00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:50,279
Speaker 1: I mean so he's the Colts basically, right.

1078
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:51,560
Speaker 3: He's the Colts.

1079
00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:53,000
Speaker 4: Now he hasn't you know, gone with the Colts each

1080
00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:53,439
Speaker 4: and every week.

1081
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:56,880
Speaker 6: Obviously when against him last week, but over time he

1082
00:52:57,040 --> 00:52:59,759
Speaker 6: is better than five hundreds. So for those out there

1083
00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:02,640
Speaker 6: and in the city of sin, he is. If you

1084
00:53:02,719 --> 00:53:05,439
Speaker 6: were to tail Max Bowen, you'd be making the money

1085
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:05,719
Speaker 6: right now.

1086
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:06,000
Speaker 3: Okay.

1087
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:08,640
Speaker 1: Lastly, do you have a garage full of bronze from

1088
00:53:08,719 --> 00:53:11,000
Speaker 1: the stuff you ordered for the Ben Matheren statue? Where

1089
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:11,800
Speaker 1: do things stand with that?

1090
00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:13,799
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1091
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:17,400
Speaker 6: It is a little dusty in there, so yeah, am

1092
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:18,919
Speaker 6: I gonna need to ship that to a new city

1093
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:20,080
Speaker 6: here in the next month and a half?

1094
00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:21,120
Speaker 3: Was that ship?

1095
00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:24,520
Speaker 1: Yes? That was every once in a while that we

1096
00:53:24,560 --> 00:53:26,120
Speaker 1: had a little hiccup in the stream. But yes, he

1097
00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:30,520
Speaker 1: did say ship by the way, so yes, yeah, I

1098
00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:32,279
Speaker 1: do think that is going to be the case. Ken,

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00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:34,120
Speaker 1: We talked about it earlier on this show. I do

1100
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:37,480
Speaker 1: think Ben Matheren really good player, really good guy, kind

1101
00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:41,359
Speaker 1: of a quiet dude. I do think probably is going

1102
00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:43,680
Speaker 1: to be playing elsewhere, but we shall see. That's one

1103
00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:45,839
Speaker 1: of the things that we will look for, all right, Kevin,

1104
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Speaker 1: have a wonderful weekend, pleasure as always, and outstanding coverage

1105
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Speaker 1: on the Colts as well. Mary Christmas, you boys appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Kevin Bowen joining us on the Java House Peel and

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Speaker 1: Poor Guest line