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Speaker 2: The line, tacking us John, and Iowa wins a Sunshine

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Speaker 1: Iowa and Florida.

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Speaker 3: And the man that will be of course on the

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Speaker 3: as well for opening Day, joining us John Sadak joining

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Speaker 3: us on the program. John, I'll begin with this. When

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Speaker 4: Myself probably all those things simultaneously. I mean, I can

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Speaker 3: My our ship sank in pursuit of our white whale

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Speaker 3: like seven years ago. For this program, right, I'm well

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Speaker 3: aware of that program, John Let Okay, I'll give you

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Speaker 4: Well with baseball on the horizon, that's my primary gig.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So let's go with the Red Legs because you

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Speaker 1: That is the voice of john Saidak.

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Speaker 3: Of course you can see him with the Reds broadcast

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Speaker 3: over the course of the year for MLB TV. All right,

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Speaker 5: To Division two dominance for a long long time.

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Speaker 6: things like that, like you're the superstar now the rock

439
00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:32,679
Speaker 6: star because you're playing in March Madness, and so they

440
00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:35,159
Speaker 6: all have questions for you. They want to text you,

441
00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:37,960
Speaker 6: and you know, wish you luck, and hey, how's it going,

442
00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:39,719
Speaker 6: what do you think in and all that stuff, And

443
00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:42,760
Speaker 6: it's easy to get caught up. All of a sudden,

444
00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:44,840
Speaker 6: you're talking to twenty people about what it's like to

445
00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:46,840
Speaker 6: be in March Madness, and now you're paying less and

446
00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:49,800
Speaker 6: less attention to this guy and report and to get

447
00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:52,720
Speaker 6: enough sleep and putting your phone down and taking care

448
00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:54,960
Speaker 6: of your bal and all that kind of stuff being

449
00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:57,879
Speaker 6: a high major athlete. And so I thought that was

450
00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:01,160
Speaker 6: really a really good point because some teams, if they

451
00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:03,480
Speaker 6: get there. I thought last year, if people remember, we

452
00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:07,000
Speaker 6: played McNee State in the second round in Providence, and

453
00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:09,880
Speaker 6: when they won the game after us, they knocked off

454
00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:14,159
Speaker 6: Clemson and they celebrated like they had just won the

455
00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:16,720
Speaker 6: national title. And I remember thinking myself, like, man, that's

456
00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:19,320
Speaker 6: good for us, because it feels almost like they're so

457
00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:21,119
Speaker 6: caught up in a great win and it was a

458
00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:23,400
Speaker 6: great win that maybe they're not going to be as

459
00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:26,239
Speaker 6: focused for us. Now. Whether or not that contributed to

460
00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:29,840
Speaker 6: the next day, who knows. But the teams that you

461
00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:32,320
Speaker 6: know can stay locked in, I think just give themselves

462
00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:33,600
Speaker 6: a little bit of an advantage.

463
00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:36,399
Speaker 1: What is it about? Elliott Bloom is my guest.

464
00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:39,800
Speaker 3: He is the director of basketball operations for the Due Boilermakers,

465
00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:41,080
Speaker 3: Texas up next.

466
00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:41,840
Speaker 1: In the Sweet sixteen.

467
00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:46,840
Speaker 3: Elliott, you're around this team obviously every single day, and

468
00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:50,320
Speaker 3: from the outside, I'll give you the outside thing that

469
00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:53,400
Speaker 3: I've said on the air as my observation, and that

470
00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:55,560
Speaker 3: is that it seemed as though, and I understand it,

471
00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:57,919
Speaker 3: teams go through ebb and flows, and it's a long season.

472
00:21:58,119 --> 00:21:59,840
Speaker 3: You know, sometimes guys just get tired of each other.

473
00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:03,679
Speaker 3: They been around each other's bicker and whatever. Yeah, and

474
00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:06,800
Speaker 3: then you guys, it all came together in Chicago and

475
00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:10,280
Speaker 3: now seemingly through two games here in the tournament.

476
00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:13,960
Speaker 1: Did you feel that there was a.

477
00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:20,200
Speaker 3: Rebond, a recoagulation, if you will, of your group here

478
00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:22,879
Speaker 3: in the last three to four weeks.

479
00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:26,080
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think I think the best way to describe

480
00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:28,400
Speaker 6: it to those who are kind of on the outside,

481
00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:31,000
Speaker 6: are haven't been like a part of a team or

482
00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:33,199
Speaker 6: something I think and I think your observation is very

483
00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:36,919
Speaker 6: as dude, I think that we we probably hit a

484
00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:39,199
Speaker 6: point in the middle of the season when we we

485
00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:41,360
Speaker 6: played really good teams, and I think it's I think

486
00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:45,240
Speaker 6: it's bearing out how good the Big Ten is, you know,

487
00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:47,320
Speaker 6: to have as many teams as we have in the

488
00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:50,080
Speaker 6: Sweet sixteen, and for some of these teams to have

489
00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:52,240
Speaker 6: beaten some of the teams they've beaten to get there,

490
00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:55,760
Speaker 6: it's proven out that the league is that has been

491
00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:58,800
Speaker 6: at a high level all year. And you know, we

492
00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:01,000
Speaker 6: we come back from a heart breaker from the West

493
00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:03,200
Speaker 6: Coast and then we lose another heartbreaker at home to

494
00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:07,840
Speaker 6: Illinois and just kind of started probably losing confidence a

495
00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:09,800
Speaker 6: little bit. But I think more than anything, just kinda

496
00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:14,520
Speaker 6: there was probably a feeling like, well, we're probably now

497
00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:16,840
Speaker 6: it's an uphill battle to win the league. And that's

498
00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:19,400
Speaker 6: always a goal of ours, you know, year in year out,

499
00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:21,440
Speaker 6: because if you can do that, you just it sets

500
00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:24,760
Speaker 6: you up for postseason and everything else. And so I

501
00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:28,800
Speaker 6: think when that kind of goal was realized that that

502
00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:31,040
Speaker 6: was going to be really hard to achieve, I think

503
00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:32,480
Speaker 6: it kind of put us into a little bit of

504
00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:35,879
Speaker 6: a funk and you know, like you said, it's a long,

505
00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:38,480
Speaker 6: long season. You know, teams that looked a certain way

506
00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:41,000
Speaker 6: in December, if you go back and watch them in February,

507
00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:43,680
Speaker 6: you could think you're looking at two different teams, completely

508
00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:47,720
Speaker 6: different teams. But I think that there was a sense

509
00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:50,399
Speaker 6: that with our guys that you know, at the end

510
00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:52,080
Speaker 6: of the day, Okay, maybe we can't win the Big

511
00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:55,040
Speaker 6: Ten regular season championship, but there are still a lot

512
00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:57,679
Speaker 6: of our goals out in front of us. And it

513
00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:00,240
Speaker 6: was great to get to Chicago. And I think think

514
00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:02,760
Speaker 6: our goal in the Big Ten tournament has always just

515
00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:05,520
Speaker 6: been just find your rhythm. If you win, great, If

516
00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:08,040
Speaker 6: you don't, it's not the end of the world. And

517
00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:12,359
Speaker 6: I don't remember a postseason tournament, conference tournament having as

518
00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:15,760
Speaker 6: much tournament implications and Zeibe tournament implications as the last

519
00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:18,639
Speaker 6: as this year. It seemed like across the country there

520
00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:22,640
Speaker 6: was a lot of outcomes other than bubble teams that

521
00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:26,440
Speaker 6: had some impact on seating. And you know, I think

522
00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:29,160
Speaker 6: we did find our rhythm in Chicago, and I think

523
00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:31,960
Speaker 6: allowed us to get up to a two line and

524
00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:34,639
Speaker 6: obviously along the way to be able to kind of

525
00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:37,560
Speaker 6: hang another banner and win another championship for this group

526
00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:40,800
Speaker 6: was great and certainly buoyed the confidence of our guys.

527
00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:43,600
Speaker 6: And then, you know, another little thing is like Bradon

528
00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:46,159
Speaker 6: Smith getting the assist record done and out of the

529
00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:49,600
Speaker 6: You know, now that's another thing that's not on anybody's

530
00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:51,280
Speaker 6: plate to worry about. We can just kind of move

531
00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:54,240
Speaker 6: on and play. So a couple of good things I

532
00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:57,000
Speaker 6: think happened, you know, to us, and I think in

533
00:24:57,080 --> 00:24:59,360
Speaker 6: the process allowed our guys to get their rhythm back

534
00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:00,440
Speaker 6: and their heads up little bit.

535
00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:04,159
Speaker 3: Say a guy to me, Elliott that has been incredibly

536
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:08,200
Speaker 3: impressive over the last year. And I know Braden Smith's

537
00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:11,600
Speaker 3: a phenomenal player in his court vision is second to none.

538
00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:13,600
Speaker 3: Fletcher Lawyers as good as shooter as you're going to

539
00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:17,280
Speaker 3: find when he's going. And CJ. Cox has been huge

540
00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:20,120
Speaker 3: for you guys in stretches. I thought he was huge

541
00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:24,840
Speaker 3: towards the end of the half against Miami. But I

542
00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:31,919
Speaker 3: am so impressed from the outside at the unselfish leadership,

543
00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:37,560
Speaker 3: by play and overall maturity of Trey Kaufman ren of

544
00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:40,280
Speaker 3: being a guy that from the outside looks like is

545
00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:43,160
Speaker 3: one that says, what do I need to do to win?

546
00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:45,720
Speaker 3: Not not what do I need to do for my

547
00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:48,560
Speaker 3: team to win, not for me, not for the for

548
00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:52,560
Speaker 3: my team to win. What is it about him, assuming

549
00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:55,879
Speaker 3: that that's an accurate statement, When did you see that

550
00:25:56,040 --> 00:26:00,840
Speaker 3: about him? And what was it about him that led

551
00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:04,399
Speaker 3: you to say, aside from his basketball prowess, that's the

552
00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:07,040
Speaker 3: character we want to purdue.

553
00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:10,080
Speaker 6: You know, he's probably I've said this before to others,

554
00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:13,800
Speaker 6: he's probably as unique of a young man we've ever

555
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:16,320
Speaker 6: had in our program. I mean, he's a philosophy major.

556
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:19,760
Speaker 6: You know, it's very common to go down to the

557
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:22,320
Speaker 6: training room, you know, an hour before practice when guys

558
00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:24,840
Speaker 6: are kind of coming in getting treatment, getting their ankles taped,

559
00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:28,320
Speaker 6: and he would be just kind of sitting there and

560
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:30,960
Speaker 6: maybe eating an apple and getting his ankles taped, and

561
00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:35,320
Speaker 6: like asking people with their opinion on, you know, a

562
00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:41,400
Speaker 6: historical event or you know, a philosophy type question. He's

563
00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:45,360
Speaker 6: just a different guy in the greatest possible way, very mature,

564
00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:48,760
Speaker 6: looks at things, probably through a different lens. There's a

565
00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:51,480
Speaker 6: lot of times you could be mid conversation with him

566
00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:55,199
Speaker 6: and you have to remind yourself that you're talking to

567
00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:58,280
Speaker 6: a young college kid instead of a you know, forty

568
00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:02,359
Speaker 6: year old man. He's just got a really good worldly view,

569
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:04,400
Speaker 6: very grounded.

570
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:05,960
Speaker 1: You know.

571
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:09,240
Speaker 6: In the summer, sometimes our guys get a week here

572
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:11,160
Speaker 6: or there where they can you know, go home and

573
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:13,480
Speaker 6: see family and kind of charge their batteries up. We

574
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:15,240
Speaker 6: always get the guys like a week around the fourth

575
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:17,480
Speaker 6: of July, and then they get some time in August

576
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:21,040
Speaker 6: before we get back to school. And I remember asking him,

577
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:22,479
Speaker 6: I said, TK, what do you you know? What are

578
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:24,439
Speaker 6: you doing this weekend? He goes, Oh, just going camping

579
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:27,880
Speaker 6: with the grandparents. And I'm like, okay, I go there's

580
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:29,520
Speaker 6: an answer I've never heard before.

581
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:31,600
Speaker 1: From old old right.

582
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:33,879
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, And I think he went, you know, in

583
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:35,840
Speaker 6: one of those state parks and so then Indiana, they

584
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:38,919
Speaker 6: just kind of went hung out and did some camping,

585
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:41,879
Speaker 6: did some fishing, and and that's him. He's just a

586
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:45,680
Speaker 6: very he he's super complex and how he looks at things,

587
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:47,840
Speaker 6: but yet he's just a simple guy. And and uh,

588
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:52,640
Speaker 6: the selflessness you talked about is very evident. I mean,

589
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:54,560
Speaker 6: and I think that kind of goes across the board

590
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:57,480
Speaker 6: in our locker room. We we don't take ourselves too serious.

591
00:27:57,520 --> 00:27:59,359
Speaker 6: And if anybody starts getting a big head in our

592
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:01,080
Speaker 6: locker room, they're going to be they're going to be

593
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 6: reminded pretty quick that it's really about all of us

594
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:07,560
Speaker 6: and not you know, one individual. That being said, like

595
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:10,600
Speaker 6: they're they're very much champions of each other, and so

596
00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:13,440
Speaker 6: like all the guys are very happy for Braden, They've

597
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:15,920
Speaker 6: been happy for Fletch and the stuff he's accomplished. They've

598
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:18,280
Speaker 6: been very happy for TK and all the stuff that

599
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:21,440
Speaker 6: he gets, you know, accomplished and stuff. So there's certainly

600
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:25,199
Speaker 6: there's a cheerleading that goes on for each other. But

601
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:27,320
Speaker 6: at the same time, like you know, check your ego

602
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:28,560
Speaker 6: at the door a little bit when you come in

603
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:29,160
Speaker 6: the locker room.

604
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:32,160
Speaker 3: Are you allowed I don't know by NCAA rules. Elliott

605
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:34,439
Speaker 3: Bloom as the director of basketball opposite produce, so I

606
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:34,879
Speaker 3: don't want to.

607
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:36,640
Speaker 1: Maybe I should have asked ahead of time.

608
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:39,120
Speaker 3: Are you allowed to comment on a on a recruit

609
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:41,720
Speaker 3: that is committed but not yet arrived on campus.

610
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:44,120
Speaker 6: If he has signed with us?

611
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:44,560
Speaker 5: We can?

612
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:48,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, And so my apologies. Has Luke Rdle officially signed

613
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:49,280
Speaker 3: with you guys?

614
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:52,240
Speaker 6: Yeah, Yeah, he's signed. So, yeah, he's on board.

615
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:54,239
Speaker 3: So he is a guy that we just had him

616
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:56,320
Speaker 3: on last week. I don't typically have high school players

617
00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:58,760
Speaker 3: on the show, not in a bad way, but because

618
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:02,160
Speaker 3: oftentimes they're not overly loquacious and they're not very insightful.

619
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:05,800
Speaker 3: And yet I had him on and it was the

620
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:08,360
Speaker 3: same thing. I thought to myself, Wait a minute, I'm

621
00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 3: talking to a high school kid. This guy sounds like

622
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 3: he's thirty years old and getting ready to, you know,

623
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:16,080
Speaker 3: go into a courtroom to for a case or something

624
00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:18,800
Speaker 3: as a lawyer. I mean, very intelligent. He's from your

625
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 3: high school, obviously in Mount Vernon.

626
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:20,840
Speaker 2: Ye.

627
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:24,280
Speaker 3: What about him? Also, do you feel is going to

628
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:25,560
Speaker 3: make him a fit for Purdue?

629
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:28,600
Speaker 6: Well, I think a lot of what you just said.

630
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 6: I mean, he's wired. It's interesting because when I was

631
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:35,280
Speaker 6: when he committed to us, and then I was talking

632
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:39,080
Speaker 6: some people back at my high school and some teachers

633
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:42,800
Speaker 6: and admins that were still still around that were there

634
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:45,320
Speaker 6: when I was there, and some of them were Indiana

635
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:48,240
Speaker 6: fans and are Indiana fans, and they said, well, we

636
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 6: hate to say this because it pains us, but he

637
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:52,440
Speaker 6: is as Purdue as you can get. Like him and

638
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:55,720
Speaker 6: his family are just the saw the Earth people, and

639
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 6: there couldn't be a better fit. So I think we've

640
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 6: got to a point now and been doing this for

641
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:04,120
Speaker 6: so long that you kind of know what that means

642
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:07,720
Speaker 6: when people say it, and you know, you probably maybe

643
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 6: ten twelve years ago, had to explain that to people. Well,

644
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:11,840
Speaker 6: he's a fit of proval. What does that mean? You know,

645
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:14,520
Speaker 6: it just means he's got a great work ethic, and

646
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 6: he's willing to come be a part of something bigger

647
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:19,960
Speaker 6: than himself. And he's got some toughness to him, and

648
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:22,440
Speaker 6: he's got some maturity to him, and I think that

649
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:27,560
Speaker 6: really describes him. I'm super excited to get him, you know,

650
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:29,920
Speaker 6: in the mix this summer and get him going with us.

651
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:33,400
Speaker 6: And I know he is too, and hopefully he's another

652
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:36,240
Speaker 6: guy that you know, maybe in two, three, four years,

653
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:38,200
Speaker 6: I'm jumping on this call with you again and talking

654
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:39,960
Speaker 6: about him doing some of the same things that these

655
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:41,280
Speaker 6: guys have done in our locker room.

656
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:43,520
Speaker 3: Right now, he did not break the single game out

657
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:45,400
Speaker 3: and Vernon three point record, correct.

658
00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:48,920
Speaker 6: No, I think I think somebody No, he did not,

659
00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:50,600
Speaker 6: but we've talked about that before.

660
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:55,320
Speaker 3: Okay, lastly, thoughts on seeing Camden, Heidi and overall thoughts

661
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:56,440
Speaker 3: on the Texas Longhorns.

662
00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:00,800
Speaker 6: Yeah, they're super talented, really good team that I think

663
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:03,120
Speaker 6: has kind of come together at the right time. You know,

664
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:06,920
Speaker 6: I think they you know, another great league obviously that

665
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:09,720
Speaker 6: they're playing in, and obviously with coach Miller taken over

666
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:12,200
Speaker 6: for the first time, it takes a little bit of time,

667
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 6: you know, for him to kind of get his program

668
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:16,960
Speaker 6: going and his system implemented and those kinds of things,

669
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:19,640
Speaker 6: and certainly they're they're doing it at the right time

670
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 6: of year. I think our guys, you know, when we

671
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 6: see cam it'll be great to say hi and everything,

672
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 6: and then you know, the game will be the game.

673
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 6: And you know, the guys who have left us over

674
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:32,400
Speaker 6: the years and gone out to other programs, you know,

675
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:35,240
Speaker 6: we've we we catch their games as much as we can.

676
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:37,600
Speaker 6: I mean, there's a lot of times that you know,

677
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:40,480
Speaker 6: we'll be coming to practice on a day and people

678
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 6: be like, hey, did you watch Will last night? Did

679
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:44,320
Speaker 6: you watch Miles last night? And most of the time

680
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:46,240
Speaker 6: the answers like, yeah, yeah, we shot him at text

681
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:48,920
Speaker 6: and said good game and things like that. You know,

682
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:51,600
Speaker 6: we saw Miles Colbyn this year down in the Bahama

683
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:53,680
Speaker 6: tournament we were playing in the Bahamas, and he hit

684
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 6: a game winner in the game before us, and it

685
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:57,720
Speaker 6: was kind of a cool moment because all the Purdue

686
00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:00,160
Speaker 6: fans in the building were cheering him on and as

687
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:01,960
Speaker 6: he came off the floor, our guys were high five

688
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 6: of them and stuff like that. And we got to

689
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:08,240
Speaker 6: watch yesterday we watched Wilburg at Wichita State playing the

690
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:12,280
Speaker 6: n T and constantly texting with those guys and just

691
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:14,640
Speaker 6: telling them good game, you know, on things like that.

692
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:17,720
Speaker 6: So it's it's a new day and age in college

693
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 6: you know, sports now obviously, and I think there's probably

694
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:24,720
Speaker 6: some old school people that can't fathom that world. But

695
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:28,720
Speaker 6: you know, you can sit around and complain and moan

696
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:30,680
Speaker 6: about it all you want, or you can just embrace

697
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 6: it and just you know, that's that's where we're at.

698
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 6: And so I think we've kind of chosen to do

699
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 6: the latter and happy for those guys, and it'll be

700
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 6: good to see Cam and his family this week.

701
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 3: Well, we certainly look forward to watching you guys play,

702
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 3: should you be fortunate enough to use your words to

703
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 3: get out of this round. Fortunately, the travel will be

704
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:49,720
Speaker 3: a little less arduous in terms of the next round

705
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:51,640
Speaker 3: because it would be Indianapolis for the final four. But

706
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 3: work to do between now and then, and it starts

707
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 3: with the Texas Longhorns first and foremost. Elliott Bloom. Always

708
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:00,800
Speaker 3: appreciate the time man, great insight, and we certainly wish

709
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 3: you guys the best of luck out.

710
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:03,440
Speaker 1: West sounds great.

711
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:04,240
Speaker 6: Appreciate having me.

712
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 3: On, appreciate it. Elliot Bloom joining us. Two o'clock hour

713
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 3: underway in Indianapolis. For that matter, the two o'clock hour

714
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 3: is underway everywhere in the Eastern time zone.

715
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 1: My name is Jay Query.

716
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 3: Eddie Garrison is the man that selects some of those

717
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 3: terrible songs from yesteryear, but they are applicable at times, like,

718
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:24,720
Speaker 3: for example, the Dogs of Butler.

719
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 1: In the news, Ronald Norrid.

720
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 3: Is the new basketball coach officially will be announced on Friday,

721
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:33,680
Speaker 3: but a guy that played with him and can probably

722
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:36,600
Speaker 3: share as much perspective about what kind of a basketball

723
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:39,120
Speaker 3: mind will now head the Dogs joins us on the

724
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 3: Java House Colebrew Coffee guest line. He had many an

725
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:46,000
Speaker 3: accolade as a Butler Bulldog during his time from two

726
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 3: thousand and seven to twenty eleven, many of which he

727
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 3: would go back to his hometown of Connorsville. And I'm

728
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 3: sure tell everybody at Mouse Seson. In fact, yes, he

729
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 3: was an All American level player at Butler, and Matt

730
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:58,120
Speaker 3: Howard joins us on the program.

731
00:33:58,200 --> 00:33:58,800
Speaker 1: Matt, how are you?

732
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:00,520
Speaker 5: I'm good?

733
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 7: How are you doing?

734
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 6: Hey?

735
00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 5: Eddie trying to mess with you? Find that again.

736
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:08,440
Speaker 3: Eddie likes to play songs like who Let the Dogs Out?

737
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 3: Which I only permit when we're talking to bulldogs.

738
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:13,279
Speaker 5: Right, No, No, I love it.

739
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:16,720
Speaker 3: I did tell Eddie though, and I'm curious if anybody's

740
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:18,320
Speaker 3: ever said this to you. I had a phobia for

741
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:19,960
Speaker 3: a long time in my life where I didn't think

742
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 3: that anybody with two first names was trustworthy.

743
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:24,439
Speaker 1: But I feel like Matt Howard's trustworthy, right.

744
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:28,400
Speaker 7: You know, I don't think of Howard as being a

745
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:32,759
Speaker 7: first name, but I guess that it is. And yeah,

746
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:36,800
Speaker 7: that's a good point. That name, though, is is definitely

747
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:39,239
Speaker 7: like a nineteen fifties name, only I.

748
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:42,840
Speaker 3: Think it is Howard. You mean Howard itself.

749
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 7: Yeah, Howard itself is a first name. And you know

750
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:48,720
Speaker 7: what's remarkable. I may just be in the wrong areas

751
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:51,440
Speaker 7: of the world. I coach quite a bit of I

752
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 7: know this interview is not about me, but I coach

753
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 7: a lot of youth teams and I have not had

754
00:34:57,239 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 7: one Matthew on any of those teams, and I have

755
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:03,960
Speaker 7: not heard the name Matthew or matt on any of

756
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:05,040
Speaker 7: in any of the games.

757
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 1: What about what about Howard? How many howards? How many

758
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:08,880
Speaker 1: howards are you running across?

759
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:13,000
Speaker 7: So I've run across zero Matthews. I've actually run across

760
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 7: across Wes Howard's in that same time.

761
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:20,279
Speaker 3: Fair enough, fair enough, All right, let's get to this

762
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:22,719
Speaker 3: when and I'm here's.

763
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:23,440
Speaker 1: The best way to say this.

764
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 3: Let's go back to when you're playing at Butler, okay,

765
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:31,719
Speaker 3: and you're playing in a game in Hinkelefield House, and

766
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 3: you look around and you can kind of figure out

767
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 3: that you guys got something going here, and you've got

768
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:38,520
Speaker 3: a brilliant head coach, and and there's already a legacy

769
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 3: there of some March success. But all of a sudden,

770
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:44,480
Speaker 3: somebody walks up to you and they say to you,

771
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:47,040
Speaker 3: Matt I'm from the future. And once that you get

772
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:50,360
Speaker 3: over that shock, and they say, one of the guys

773
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 3: that's on the floor with you right now is ultimately

774
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:54,680
Speaker 3: going to end up being the head coach of the

775
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:57,880
Speaker 3: Butler Bulldogs after you guys are done playing, would you

776
00:35:57,920 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 3: guess Ronald Norid.

777
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 7: Yeah, probably, I mean he just you know, he was

778
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:07,800
Speaker 7: sort of our leader. He was our floor general, the

779
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:11,880
Speaker 7: guy that he sort of leaned on and looked to

780
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:16,560
Speaker 7: and wouldn't look at in huddles and you know, bring

781
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:19,040
Speaker 7: guys together when we're on the floor. And you know,

782
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:22,239
Speaker 7: for the most part, I think you see that anyways

783
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:25,239
Speaker 7: in the college game, especially with the point guards. But

784
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:28,319
Speaker 7: it's not always that way. But yeah, he definitely was.

785
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:31,840
Speaker 7: And yeah, I would have been. I think I probably

786
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 7: would have been so flustered by someone from the future.

787
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:35,759
Speaker 1: I wouldn't even been able to think.

788
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:39,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, and especially if the guy's name was Howard, because

789
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 3: then you'd know, there's no way you didn't know you're

790
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 3: from the past, right.

791
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:42,919
Speaker 5: It's right?

792
00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, Hey, but what goes into let's go back to this,

793
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:50,720
Speaker 3: when you heard or you were aware and I'm assuming

794
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:54,840
Speaker 3: you were probably well aware of this possibility before the masses,

795
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:57,480
Speaker 3: but you know, how much of you have you stayed

796
00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 3: in touch with Ronald and just what asked aspects of him,

797
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:05,880
Speaker 3: what ingredients about him lead you to believe that he

798
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:06,920
Speaker 3: can succeed at this.

799
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:12,879
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, it's it's a it's a grind I mean,

800
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:15,360
Speaker 7: as you know, it's not a tough or not an

801
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:18,319
Speaker 7: easy thing. It's certainly a tough thing to be a

802
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:21,960
Speaker 7: college coach, and especially today where it's it's uh, you know,

803
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:24,719
Speaker 7: all year round, and more so than it used to be.

804
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:26,440
Speaker 7: I think they probably would have said it used to

805
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:29,480
Speaker 7: be too. But you know that there you if you

806
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:33,239
Speaker 7: were out of the tournament, you weren't recruiting your own

807
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:36,920
Speaker 7: players immediately, and they do that throughout the season. But

808
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:40,719
Speaker 7: to your point in question, I think he's just got

809
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 7: he's got a great personality. He's he's someone that you

810
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:48,400
Speaker 7: are naturally drawn to and you want to be around.

811
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:52,879
Speaker 7: He would for us, was you know, a positive leader.

812
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:56,400
Speaker 7: But also you know, like that whole team did, everybody

813
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:59,440
Speaker 7: held each other accountable. And it's the same, you know,

814
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 7: same thing with him and the guy. He's a winner.

815
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:05,399
Speaker 7: He you know, that's that's all he cared about. That's

816
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:09,239
Speaker 7: all he talked about when we were together. And you know,

817
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 7: so those those ingredients are there, and I think, yeah,

818
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:16,440
Speaker 7: there's going to be some questions, of course about college experience,

819
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:18,799
Speaker 7: but you surround yourself with a good staff and I'm

820
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:21,480
Speaker 7: sure he's working on that now and that allows you

821
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:24,720
Speaker 7: to be successful and sort of learn what you don't

822
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 7: know about the college game and apply what you are

823
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:31,840
Speaker 7: really good at. And I'm, oh, it's I think he'll

824
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:32,920
Speaker 7: he'll do a great job.

825
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:36,399
Speaker 3: You know, your guy's story, Matt Howard is my guest,

826
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 3: the former Butler Bulldog. Your guy's story was was so good, Matt,

827
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 3: because to an element and you know this, and you know,

828
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:47,600
Speaker 3: there was such a wholesome nature about it, right of

829
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 3: here's a group of guys that none of which were

830
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:52,760
Speaker 3: necessarily and you had some really good recruits. And obviously

831
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:56,080
Speaker 3: Gordon Hayward grew into an elite level player, and you

832
00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:57,879
Speaker 3: were a great player, and.

833
00:38:57,760 --> 00:38:59,319
Speaker 1: You played a ton of a you bought all that.

834
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:04,480
Speaker 3: But it wasn't the world of college basketball that we

835
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:07,360
Speaker 3: see today, okay, And it was almost like this last

836
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:11,840
Speaker 3: era of innocence of college basketball. Can can Butler bridge

837
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:17,399
Speaker 3: and marry that quote unquote Butler way into the era

838
00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 3: of today? Of in Danny Hurley's words, you got to

839
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 3: give them the money to compete. How does Butler kind

840
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:24,800
Speaker 3: of marry the two together?

841
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:29,080
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's that's a great question. I have asked a

842
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:31,719
Speaker 7: lot of people that actually know I certainly don't I'm

843
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:36,720
Speaker 7: not in the game. I've seen it from a somewhat

844
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 7: close for you around help helping Butler set up there

845
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:43,319
Speaker 7: in Il And by helping, I mean just being being

846
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:45,719
Speaker 7: maybe a face of it. I didn't know what was

847
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 7: going on. But that's absolutely true. But the guys, the

848
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:52,719
Speaker 7: guys that I really trust that are in the game,

849
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:56,319
Speaker 7: they say that you can do that with a little

850
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:58,120
Speaker 7: bit less. I mean, it takes it takes a little

851
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:00,440
Speaker 7: more work. It takes a little bit of luck. Like

852
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:02,719
Speaker 7: you said, I mean, we're our teams are fortunate to

853
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 7: get a couple NBA players at Butler. I mean that

854
00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:11,759
Speaker 7: makes a world a difference. So from every everything that

855
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:14,279
Speaker 7: I've been told from people that I really trust, is

856
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:17,400
Speaker 7: it swimming uphill a little bit? Yes, But you know,

857
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:20,800
Speaker 7: if you find the right people that you can build

858
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:23,640
Speaker 7: something like that. But it's to your point, it's incredibly

859
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:28,719
Speaker 7: difficult to build a program. The teams that I was on,

860
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:31,600
Speaker 7: the team's right before us that build us up to

861
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:34,680
Speaker 7: the point of being able to compete for national championship

862
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 7: and just establish that before I even got on campus.

863
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:41,319
Speaker 7: You know, you're able to do that because you're able

864
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:42,880
Speaker 7: to keep your best players.

865
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 5: When you're not worried about.

866
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:48,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're not worried on transfer portal and all that, right.

867
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:52,600
Speaker 7: Yeah, someone someone offering them more money, and yeah, it's

868
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:54,920
Speaker 7: it's a I think it's a legitimate concern.

869
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:58,080
Speaker 3: When you were playing and I think about it, I

870
00:40:58,120 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 3: think it was old dominion, wasn't it where you had

871
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:03,000
Speaker 3: put back that kept you guys alive early in the tournament.

872
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:06,360
Speaker 3: And then yeah, you know, Pitt, you have this miraculous finish.

873
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:08,399
Speaker 3: I mean, you had a lot of great moments, right,

874
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:10,760
Speaker 3: and not all of them were you covered in blood,

875
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 3: which was good too. But when you look back now

876
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 3: and you watch the tournament now and you see guys

877
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:21,400
Speaker 3: hitting big shots or going to the final four or

878
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:24,160
Speaker 3: whatever it may be, do you ever have a moment,

879
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:26,239
Speaker 3: Matt Howard where you stop and look at it and go,

880
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:28,960
Speaker 3: you know, it almost seems surreal that I was a

881
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:31,680
Speaker 3: part of that. Did you Were you aware as it

882
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:33,760
Speaker 3: was happening? With what was happening?

883
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 1: Oh?

884
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:37,759
Speaker 7: No, No, I mean when you ask that way, I

885
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:41,200
Speaker 7: had no idea, really, and especially the first year, you

886
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:46,960
Speaker 7: don't you don't really understand, you know that the first year,

887
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 7: being in the first year we made the final four,

888
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:50,600
Speaker 7: I mean, once you get past the first weekend, it's

889
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 7: just a completely different feel of everything media and just

890
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 7: to focus on the games. But I mean when you

891
00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:02,600
Speaker 7: get to that final weekend, literally hysteria. I mean, it's

892
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 7: it's just craziness relative to playing in that first game,

893
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:09,120
Speaker 7: in the media attention and all the things that you

894
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 7: got to got to do. And yeah, I mean it's

895
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:16,280
Speaker 7: it's not something that I think about a lot until

896
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:19,160
Speaker 7: Marshall's around, and then you know you're reminded of those things.

897
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:22,800
Speaker 7: And you know, we didn't, We didn't really think anything

898
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:26,239
Speaker 7: of it. I think maybe maybe I was ignorant, and

899
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:30,400
Speaker 7: I won't speak for my teammates, but I didn't really

900
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 7: understand the magnitude of it, and probably because our coaches

901
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:36,360
Speaker 7: did such a good job of being like, here's the

902
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:39,120
Speaker 7: next task a hand, like here's what we're trying to

903
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:42,640
Speaker 7: focus on and and really be mindful of. But I

904
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:44,279
Speaker 7: had no idea really, to.

905
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:48,920
Speaker 3: Be honest, was there a moment or an experience where

906
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:53,480
Speaker 3: you took something or heard something from Brad Stevens where

907
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:57,360
Speaker 3: you said to yourself, this guy's different, this is a

908
00:42:57,600 --> 00:42:59,440
Speaker 3: this is a different level of coaching.

909
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:05,840
Speaker 7: I wouldn't say it was one specific moment. But you know,

910
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:09,759
Speaker 7: we had a great coaching staff, you know, so I

911
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:11,520
Speaker 7: give credit to them too, And I think he would,

912
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:13,759
Speaker 7: but yeah, I mean he was. He just showed it

913
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:17,359
Speaker 7: to you all the time. Yeah, So even how we

914
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:20,960
Speaker 7: you know, how we practiced and and the daily you know,

915
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:24,320
Speaker 7: the day to day stuff that we did. And I

916
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:28,760
Speaker 7: don't know, you know, back to your you know question before,

917
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:31,080
Speaker 7: I don't know that I really appreciated it until I

918
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 7: was gone, right, and then you see, oh, this isn't

919
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:37,239
Speaker 7: exactly normal, you know. And and I played for some

920
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:41,319
Speaker 7: good coaches overseas, and none of them were as good

921
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:43,399
Speaker 7: as our coaching staff that.

922
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:45,640
Speaker 5: We had.

923
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:50,040
Speaker 7: And it's you know a lot of that you know,

924
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:51,919
Speaker 7: you don't know what you have until it's gone type

925
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:54,040
Speaker 7: of thing. And and and the same for teammates, just

926
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:58,880
Speaker 7: like the level the level of guys and teammates that

927
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:02,960
Speaker 7: we had was was pretty special, you know, guy sacrifice

928
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:06,200
Speaker 7: and the to get us to where we to where

929
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:09,680
Speaker 7: we got to. I mean, it's again, you don't really

930
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:13,319
Speaker 7: understand it until you take a few steps back from

931
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:14,640
Speaker 7: it and are able to see it.

932
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:15,200
Speaker 1: You know.

933
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:18,719
Speaker 3: I think Matt, for anybody who's played a sport and

934
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:22,880
Speaker 3: been on a team. Sometimes you can look back, and

935
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:24,600
Speaker 3: I mean this in a good way, not a bad way.

936
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:26,920
Speaker 3: Sometimes you can look back and you understand, or you

937
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 3: can then in retrospect realize that you had a teammate

938
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:38,000
Speaker 3: that was basically the guy that was delivering the coach's message.

939
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 3: Maybe the coach wanted to hit you know, maybe there

940
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:42,880
Speaker 3: was a guy on the roster and the coach knew

941
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:45,560
Speaker 3: that guy's not going to respond to my word, but

942
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:48,080
Speaker 3: if I can get his teammate to get it to him,

943
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:51,680
Speaker 3: then he's going to respond to it. Okay, And we've

944
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:55,239
Speaker 3: all experienced that was Ronald Norad that guy at all.

945
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:58,600
Speaker 7: For you guys, yeah, I mean as much as anybody,

946
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:02,160
Speaker 7: I'd say it was. But you know, I've heard Ron

947
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:05,359
Speaker 7: tell this story too, and it's true. Like he coach

948
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:07,879
Speaker 7: would yell at Ron to get other people to do

949
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:10,160
Speaker 7: things that he wanted to like, you know, he knew

950
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:13,560
Speaker 7: he could handle it. But then also he's he's then

951
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:15,799
Speaker 7: conveying that, you know, some of that message to us

952
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:23,320
Speaker 7: on the court, and you know he's he absolutely understood

953
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:26,120
Speaker 7: what it took. Like when you're the point guard, also

954
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:31,240
Speaker 7: you're sort of in charge of making sure the players

955
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:33,200
Speaker 7: are being run the right way and you're getting people

956
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:36,360
Speaker 7: involved in people in the right spots. And so he

957
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:40,080
Speaker 7: was a natural, you know, he's a natural person for that.

958
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:41,920
Speaker 6: And you know.

959
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:44,759
Speaker 7: You didn't really ask this, but I you know, one

960
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:47,839
Speaker 7: of the things that I remember really well about him

961
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:51,400
Speaker 7: and still laughed about. You know, he wasn't necessarily the

962
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:53,799
Speaker 7: best free throw shooter. He wasn't our best shooter by

963
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:57,760
Speaker 7: any means. But you know, when we were in Indianapolis,

964
00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:03,799
Speaker 7: he had I think we're up maybe up one I

965
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:05,480
Speaker 7: think it was, or maybe we were tied, you know,

966
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 7: and he hit a couple of free throws late against

967
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:11,759
Speaker 7: mischion Sate and he just said, you know, he just said, like, hey,

968
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:13,440
Speaker 7: you know, when it matters, I'm going to make him.

969
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 7: You know, he had this incredible confidence of focus about him,

970
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:20,720
Speaker 7: and those are those are leader type moments.

971
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:24,520
Speaker 3: What will most intrigue you about how he handles this

972
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:25,239
Speaker 3: butler job?

973
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:27,880
Speaker 1: And how much do you how much interaction do you

974
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 1: have with Butler?

975
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:33,880
Speaker 7: Now a little bit, but I think to your to

976
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:37,719
Speaker 7: your question, he I think what will be really intriguing

977
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:42,440
Speaker 7: is who he surrounds himself with. And I really have

978
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:45,880
Speaker 7: no idea. You know, I didn't know that he was

979
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:47,399
Speaker 7: going to be the hire either, you know you're talking

980
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:52,359
Speaker 7: about that earlier. I don't know who those guys are,

981
00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:57,360
Speaker 7: but it's it's a I think it's a really big

982
00:46:57,440 --> 00:47:02,960
Speaker 7: deal who that is or who those people are, and

983
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:07,239
Speaker 7: especially because if if he operates like you know, I

984
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:09,319
Speaker 7: think a lot of coaches do and and even how

985
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 7: coach Stevens did you you put a lot on those people,

986
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:17,479
Speaker 7: you know, to to make you successful and and put

987
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:19,200
Speaker 7: put the team in the right position and make sure

988
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:22,759
Speaker 7: they're giving you the right feedback off the court and on.

989
00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:27,920
Speaker 7: But man, it's such a big deal today of the

990
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:33,840
Speaker 7: people that you're getting and the portal itself, and you know,

991
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:36,919
Speaker 7: with that turn it on real soon. They've got a lot,

992
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:38,040
Speaker 7: They've got a lot of work to do.

993
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:41,200
Speaker 1: Can they get them? Can they get them there? Can

994
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:44,120
Speaker 1: they get can they get can get those players?

995
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:49,479
Speaker 7: Well it depends on wait, you know who those players are.

996
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:53,799
Speaker 7: But you know what what I have heard you know

997
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:56,200
Speaker 7: Sad and his staff talk about too, is you know,

998
00:47:56,239 --> 00:47:58,760
Speaker 7: it's it takes it's going to take the right people

999
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:01,520
Speaker 7: you've got to get. You know, this is this is

1000
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:05,080
Speaker 7: a situation for a certain type of player. If someone

1001
00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:07,160
Speaker 7: wants the most money, they're obviously not going to go

1002
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:09,680
Speaker 7: to Butler. You know, if they want to go to

1003
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:13,600
Speaker 7: a place hopefully has a special culture and tradition to it,

1004
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:16,719
Speaker 7: and you know they want to be they want to

1005
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:22,000
Speaker 7: be a Butler Bulldog, then you know that's that's the challenge.

1006
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:25,440
Speaker 7: I mean, you na able to start now. I think

1007
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:29,239
Speaker 7: they're probably working overtime right now to see if they

1008
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:32,880
Speaker 7: can improve whatever that that an IL budget is for

1009
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:36,879
Speaker 7: next year. But it'll be It's not easy. I think

1010
00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:40,000
Speaker 7: it will be interesting to hear what Ron says. I

1011
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:45,120
Speaker 7: think Friday is there. They're introducing him, and you know

1012
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:46,880
Speaker 7: he's going to be He and Grant are going to

1013
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:48,799
Speaker 7: be able to answer those questions a lot better. Have

1014
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:52,799
Speaker 7: you spoken with him not yet today? I know both

1015
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:54,839
Speaker 7: of those guys are are.

1016
00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:57,040
Speaker 1: Swan pretty pretty busy days, right, Yeah.

1017
00:48:57,080 --> 00:49:00,520
Speaker 7: They're going to be really busy, so and the last

1018
00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:02,919
Speaker 7: thing they need is another person trying to talk to them.

1019
00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:07,480
Speaker 7: And plus, I literally have nothing. I don't know that

1020
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:10,040
Speaker 7: I have anything that I can benefit them today.

1021
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean except for the fact that obviously you

1022
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:17,360
Speaker 3: know a great teammate, right, I mean I wasn't on

1023
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:22,600
Speaker 3: the floor. But here's the thing, Matt. You don't lay

1024
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:25,799
Speaker 3: the greatest screen in the history of college basketball to

1025
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:28,040
Speaker 3: allow a guy to even get off that shot in

1026
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:30,359
Speaker 3: that moment and hit some of the shots you did

1027
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:34,359
Speaker 3: down the stretch without being a conscientious teammate. And there's

1028
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:36,520
Speaker 3: an awareness that goes with that, and I think that

1029
00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:37,400
Speaker 3: that never goes away.

1030
00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:41,520
Speaker 7: Right, Well, I'm gonna have to I'm gonna have to

1031
00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:43,640
Speaker 7: backtrack that for you just a little bit. It was

1032
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:49,440
Speaker 7: almost robotic just to lay the record straight. We had

1033
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:52,400
Speaker 7: practiced that exact type of play a few times and

1034
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:54,879
Speaker 7: actually run it earlier in the year to help us

1035
00:49:56,040 --> 00:49:59,200
Speaker 7: win a game late so that we could have that

1036
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:03,320
Speaker 7: conference season defeated. That was something we practice all the time,

1037
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:05,440
Speaker 7: you know, and we were sort of fortunate that Gordon

1038
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:08,920
Speaker 7: got the mall. So, yes, is there an awareness to

1039
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:13,560
Speaker 7: then turn around and do it live without calling the play? Yes,

1040
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:16,640
Speaker 7: But in some ways that was like a robot moving

1041
00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:21,279
Speaker 7: around just because I'd run that probably twenty times at

1042
00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:24,239
Speaker 7: least in practices and games earlier in the year.

1043
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:26,799
Speaker 3: We're talking about that final shot by the way that

1044
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:30,759
Speaker 3: Gordon Hayward nearly hit, but the screen was unbelievable. I mean,

1045
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:35,520
Speaker 3: the only drawback aside from him missing that shot but

1046
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:39,359
Speaker 3: the camera work unfortunately understandably, so pans over to see

1047
00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:41,399
Speaker 3: what the shot is going to do, so you kind

1048
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:43,000
Speaker 3: of miss the screen itself.

1049
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:45,080
Speaker 1: But it was a brilliant screen, no question.

1050
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:45,600
Speaker 5: It seemed.

1051
00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:49,480
Speaker 7: It seemed like every Duke fan that I've met had

1052
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:53,160
Speaker 7: no problem seeing that screen. They like to tell me

1053
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:55,920
Speaker 7: that they saw it and it was legal, and it's

1054
00:50:56,440 --> 00:51:02,839
Speaker 7: it's interesting. Now, wow, that's been what sixteen years? Sixteen years? Yeah,

1055
00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:08,279
Speaker 7: and there are guys that I'll meet now that you know,

1056
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:10,040
Speaker 7: are from all over the country and they're like, oh,

1057
00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:11,960
Speaker 7: you're the guy that set the screen, you know, so

1058
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:17,680
Speaker 7: remember for something the screen which I love. Actually, if

1059
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:19,719
Speaker 7: there's anything I should be remembered for, I guess it's

1060
00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:21,120
Speaker 7: said in the screen you.

1061
00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:22,560
Speaker 1: Should have a shirt I set the screen.

1062
00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:25,239
Speaker 3: Everybody will know exactly what it means, right, exactly what

1063
00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:25,680
Speaker 3: it means.

1064
00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:26,480
Speaker 7: Matt.

1065
00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:28,640
Speaker 3: Listen short notice that we got you today and I

1066
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:30,920
Speaker 3: appreciate you making time for us, and we'll see what

1067
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:32,680
Speaker 3: happens with your former team. And I think you said

1068
00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:35,200
Speaker 3: it best when you said there's something about Ronald Nord

1069
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:38,120
Speaker 3: that like he just he kind of exudes this positive energy, right,

1070
00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:40,920
Speaker 3: and we'll see how that translates for Butler, but certainly

1071
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:42,400
Speaker 3: appreciate the perspectives today.

1072
00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:43,839
Speaker 5: Yeah that's right.

1073
00:51:44,040 --> 00:51:45,360
Speaker 1: Go dogs, appreciate it.

1074
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:48,040
Speaker 3: Matt Howard joining us on the job House Colbrew Coffee

1075
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:48,799
Speaker 3: guest line