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Speaker 1: I am now ted Cruz is pondering another run for president.

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Speaker 2: That's great news, is it? Am?

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Speaker 3: I supposed to be excited about this. Didn't you do

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Speaker 3: that back in twenty sixteen.

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Speaker 2: Twenty sixteen, Well that was his year, right, you.

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Speaker 3: Know we were supposed to be as here he was wrong.

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Speaker 2: Well, we were talking about this during the break.

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Speaker 1: It's fascinating how short the window actually really is for

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Speaker 1: And for so many of these people, and look, in

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Speaker 1: there's a monumental amount of narcissism involved to believe you

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Speaker 1: Because we were talking about Evan By is a great example.

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Speaker 3: It's interesting you said twenty sixteen, because that's the same

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Speaker 1: Bush ran against Reagan in eighty but there was eight

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Speaker 1: Biden ran three times. So it's a mixed bag, right,

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Speaker 1: it's a mixed bag.

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Speaker 2: On are you?

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Speaker 1: I think it's more or less you got to give

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Speaker 1: it time. I think that's sort of the lesson.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: Nixon tried to become governor Californian loss, Bush was the

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Speaker 1: running for president. So I think if you eight years

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Speaker 1: is probably what it'd be. Twelve years, right?

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Speaker 2: Is that right? My I'm trying to do math on

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Speaker 2: the fly. It'll be twelve years.

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Speaker 1: If Rubio were to run or Cruz runs again, they'd

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Speaker 1: be twelve years between the last time they ran for president.

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Speaker 3: How old do you think Ted Cruz is?

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Speaker 1: He has got to be in his late He was

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Speaker 1: he's been there since twenty ten, right, so he was

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Speaker 1: in his mid forties. I'll say prices right, rules would

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Speaker 1: go over all, right, keV, I'll let you go first.

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Speaker 1: How old do you think Ted Cruz is? I'll let

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Speaker 1: you have first, stab at it. I got my number.

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Speaker 2: I think he's fifty six.

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Speaker 1: I was going to go with him being fifty five,

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Speaker 1: but I bet Kevin is probably right.

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Speaker 2: What's the number you're both over?

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Speaker 3: He's fifty four. WHOA December twenty second, nineteen seven, So.

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Speaker 1: He was like barely forty years old when he was

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Speaker 1: elected US senator, right Texas. Yeah, holy smokes.

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Speaker 3: So he and he probably ran on his youth then,

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Speaker 3: and they're still there.

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Speaker 2: They're always still there. Comparatively, he is young