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Speaker 4: I'm really thrilling good. I think between mc graham and

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Speaker 4: Louie We've got three strong players, probably the three strongress

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Speaker 2: You're ready to go. We have another confirmation for IndyCar

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Speaker 2: disappearing WhatsApp messages make a lot of sense. Hello, Welcome,

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Speaker 2: Happy Thanksgiving. Thanks for joining us track side on ninety

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Speaker 2: Dale Coin, I know it talked about getting his driver

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Speaker 2: it done by Christmas. Landon Koons is our studio producer.

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Speaker 2: He's in Indianapolis. I'm Kevin Lee. Kurt Cavin is otherwise

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Speaker 2: all the other people I've mentioned, like Jacob Babel if

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Speaker 2: he's not full time Devil and d Francesco. What does

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Speaker 2: he want to do? James Row I've mentioned I noticed

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Speaker 2: that he's on the Honkos hauling her website as a

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Speaker 2: te driver because he drove for them in the Ims

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Speaker 2: road course test. Miles Row in a one off Hunter,

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Speaker 2: mcilray Jr. Hildebrand, Benjamin Peterson, who's doing sports cars now?

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Speaker 2: Zach Viech is still doing sports cars? On and on

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Speaker 2: and on. What happens with Connor Daily? Does he get

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Speaker 2: the coin seat? Is it Grojan? Is it linas Lunquiz?

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Speaker 2: Is it Toby Salary? Could it be calum Ilot? If

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Speaker 2: Prema doesn't get it done? Robert Schwartzman. I think Robert's

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Speaker 2: best chance is probably staying with Prema. But we shall

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Speaker 2: see on that front. Okay, coming up, got some other

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Speaker 2: things to get into. Cool new exhibit at the Ims

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Speaker 2: Museum I had a chance to see this week. We'll

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Speaker 2: tell you about that. We'll get into some of your

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Speaker 2: questions and ooh, what we've been learning in court here

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Speaker 2: recently too. Stay with us track side ninety three to

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Speaker 2: five one oh seven five the fan Hi, This is

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Speaker 2: Graham Rayhill and you're listening to Trackside on ninety three

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Speaker 2: to five and one oh seven five the Fan. Thank

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Speaker 2: you for staying with us, and we welcome to track

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Speaker 2: Side with Cavin and Kevin, the aforementioned Kurt Cavin. And

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Speaker 2: we've got news coming up in a little bit on

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Speaker 2: the program regarding the show that you'll want to stay

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Speaker 2: tuned for. I think you'll you'll like this news. But

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Speaker 2: we have even bigger news, and it turns out you

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Speaker 2: do have a good excuse for missing the first segments.

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Speaker 1: I do have a good excuse although I'm not really

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Speaker 1: doing much. I wasn't doing much during this segment, and

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Speaker 1: that is because my daughter, who many people who listen

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Speaker 1: to the show know because she had a stint of

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Speaker 1: working at IndyCar and the Fan the Fan Participation in Activation, whatever,

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Speaker 1: the fan club, Katie is having our first grandchild as

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Speaker 1: we speak, and so she's been in labor most of

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Speaker 1: the day. I was hoping that I still hope that

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Speaker 1: it'll be born today. Lucy is her name, and I

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Speaker 1: hope Lucy is born tonight because it would be on

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Speaker 1: the twenty fifth, which it would be easy for me

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Speaker 1: to remember. It would be a month before Christmas, so

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Speaker 1: that's my logic, but it also means that maybe I

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Speaker 1: could not stay up till four am. But we'll see

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Speaker 1: how it goes. I'm pretty excited about this. You don't

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Speaker 1: get you know, you can remember having your first child.

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Speaker 1: Having your first grandchild is a different level because your

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Speaker 1: daughter is involved in addition to your granddaughter.

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Speaker 2: So pretty special stuff. Well, congratulations, good luck. Those that

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Speaker 2: have come to the Burger Bash have probably interacted with

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Speaker 2: Katie before as well. She's been a long time helper

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Speaker 2: for the Burger Bash. And you're cheating. You already have

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Speaker 2: names picked out our kid? What name was for at

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Speaker 2: least two days?

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I don't know. It's not what I did.

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Speaker 2: People do it. It's good. It's good. Congratulations, very very

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Speaker 2: very exciting news. And we'll look to have an update

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Speaker 2: on the show next week. I mentioned the top for you.

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Speaker 2: Now it's Thursday. Next week's show is on Thursday, so

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Speaker 2: we'll have a little time. And we've asked Dale Coin

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Speaker 2: to hold off on his announcement. He's probably gonna miss

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Speaker 2: Thanksgiving unless it comes out tomorrow, so Dale, you can

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Speaker 2: go ahead and wait till December fifteenth. Let's pace yourselves.

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Speaker 1: I do expect that I'll be clear by a week

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Speaker 1: from Thursday. So Katie, we should have should have Lucy

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Speaker 1: by then, I hope.

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Speaker 2: So all right, let's get back into some things. I

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Speaker 2: covered some of the latest Indie card news and this

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Speaker 2: one I still have not gone through. There's a couple

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Speaker 2: of articles about the Polo McLaren trial that I need

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Speaker 2: to dig into. Of all of the strays that we're

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Speaker 2: cast and you know we learned salaries from other people. Well,

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Speaker 2: what we're getting now is in the NASCAR trial with

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Speaker 2: Michael Jordan and Denny Hamlin and Nascar, we're getting a

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Speaker 2: lot of emails and texts uncovered. And do you remember

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Speaker 2: in the Polo trial, the one thing we learned is

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Speaker 2: that McLaren has a mandate of using WhatsApp, which has

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Speaker 2: a disappearing messaging function. And now we see why that's

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Speaker 2: probably a good idea, and it is probably why we

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Speaker 2: also advise everyone, don't write it down if you don't

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Speaker 2: want anyone to see it, if it's going to be embarrassing.

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Speaker 2: And it just keeps flowing in this NASCAR trial, and

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Speaker 2: Bob Pokerus is relentless. He's going through the records, he's

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Speaker 2: finding everything, and the latest that came out was some

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Speaker 2: of the actually was Steve Phelps is now the NASCAR

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Speaker 2: commissioner and I think was president at the time. In

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Speaker 2: some of the depositions between twenty three to eleven in

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Speaker 2: front Row and NASCAR referred to Richard Childress as an

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Speaker 2: idiot and a redneck and a lot of other things.

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Speaker 2: And Childre has put out of statement he's threatening to

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Speaker 2: sue now, so there you go.

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Speaker 1: You know he should fight back against that, because you

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Speaker 1: know he's a he's a really solid businessman. I mean,

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Speaker 1: he has he's done really well. I got to tell

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Speaker 1: you of the people who I came to know in

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Speaker 1: this sport, Richard Childress is one that impressed me far

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Speaker 1: more than my expectations would have presented themselves. The very

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Speaker 1: first opportunity had to meet with him, he just invited

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Speaker 1: us to have alligator with him. He was grilling out

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Speaker 1: at Talladegan was going to have alligator, and I thought

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Speaker 1: it kind of fits who I think Richard Childreness is

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Speaker 1: and I spent the evening with him and got to

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Speaker 1: be around him for a few more years after that.

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Speaker 2: He was always I.

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Speaker 1: Just couldn't I couldn't believe what a really smart interesting,

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Speaker 1: well versed in and you know, again I don't have

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Speaker 1: years and years of experience with him, but to call

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Speaker 1: him an idiot in a redneck is doesn't seem fair.

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Speaker 2: I get it that it's private that people say things.

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Speaker 2: It's not meant for public consumption, but just a reminder

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Speaker 2: you probably shouldn't write it down. It's a lesson to

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Speaker 2: all of us, and they're going to learn that the

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Speaker 2: hard way. That's a hard one to walk back. And

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Speaker 2: you know, it was said that they called and apologized.

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Speaker 2: Obviously that didn't work. I think the statement came out

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Speaker 2: that NASCAR let Childress know that this was going to

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Speaker 2: be made public and smooth things over. Doesn't look like

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Speaker 2: they smooth things over because a couple of days later

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Speaker 2: there's a statement from RCR about how angry they are

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Speaker 2: and they are leaving all of their legal options open.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what you're suing at this point, other

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Speaker 2: than defamation of character or whatever the case may be,

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Speaker 2: but it is all not happy at this point, and

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Speaker 2: that might lead I think that was one of the

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Speaker 2: other Twitter questions that we had on this front. No,

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Speaker 2: this is a different one, so I'll come back to

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Speaker 2: this one. But one was you know, just simply about

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Speaker 2: what's going on in NASCAR at this point from Tommy

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Speaker 2: the Tree zero zero zero with all the NASCAR drama

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Speaker 2: and F one going behind a paywall next year, do

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Speaker 2: you see twenty twenty six as a make or break

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Speaker 2: year as far as growing IndyCar is concerned.

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Speaker 1: So I don't like make or break. I think that's

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Speaker 1: that's not fair to the situation. Do I think it's

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Speaker 1: an opportunity? Yes, I do, I think, and I think

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Speaker 1: Fox started that the momentum of you know, the state

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Speaker 1: of the series. I suppose that Jay Fry had helped

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Speaker 1: build within the competition department and the number of cars

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Speaker 1: and teams, and yeah, we don't know about what premise

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Speaker 1: situation is just yet, but all the things that were

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Speaker 1: positive on the racetrack and a schedule going to Arlington.

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Speaker 1: You know, you put all those things Phoenix, you put

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Speaker 1: all those things together with the Fox seventeen races on

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Speaker 1: network and then the investment that Fox made from a

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Speaker 1: from an ownership standpoint, I think the opportunity is squarely there.

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Speaker 1: So we'll see what happens.

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Speaker 2: You got to make the best of it, and you

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Speaker 2: have F one going to Apple TV.

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Speaker 1: Yep.

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Speaker 2: And you know it's hard to turn down double the

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Speaker 2: rights fees, but they just your one point five million

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Speaker 2: for a race that started just before midnight on the

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Speaker 2: East coast. Now that's still eight pm West Coast time,

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Speaker 2: and it had a lot of hype. But you think

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Speaker 2: Sports Center is sending Nicole Brisco out there next year? No, no, no,

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Speaker 2: they're not.

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Speaker 1: You.

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Speaker 2: You will disappear off Sports Center. Maybe maybe you get

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Speaker 2: an occasional, but I doubt it. If it's not a property,

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Speaker 2: you're going to lose all that promotion and you're ratings

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Speaker 2: are now. Maybe the revenue can go up, but that

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Speaker 2: that's a big deal in NASCAR is still working through

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Speaker 2: the challenge of multiple networks. Works well for the NFL.

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Speaker 2: The NFL, and I think this is what NASCAR was thinking,

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Speaker 2: so you can't say that's a wrong way to look

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Speaker 2: at it. But the NFL likes to have everyone as

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Speaker 2: a stakeholder. You know, they have every single network is

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Speaker 2: promoting the NFL, and that works, but it doesn't quite

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Speaker 2: work that way for other properties because they're not all

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Speaker 2: on at the same time. It's just it's our races

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Speaker 2: that we have. Then they have their races and the

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Speaker 2: only cross promotion is what is going to be mandated

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Speaker 2: by contract, and when the practices are on a different

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Speaker 2: channel and some of them are streaming, it just makes

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Speaker 2: it challenging for people to consume it.

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Speaker 1: And as I watch NFL, it's amazing how much cross

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Speaker 1: promotion there is between the networks. I mean it's you know,

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Speaker 1: Mike Krica will say, you know, this game is on CBS,

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Speaker 1: this game is Sunday Night on ESPN. This game, I mean,

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Speaker 1: they go through the list and you haven't seen that

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Speaker 1: in NASCAR. So I think having one consistent platform, you know,

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Speaker 1: all network races is going to be really a positive

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Speaker 1: moving forward. And you know, I think there was some

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Speaker 1: we did have some questions on the show about you know,

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Speaker 1: Mark Miles was still not ready to go to streaming

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Speaker 1: in this last contract discussion, and I think he's still

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Speaker 1: right about that. I feel like it, you know, I

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Speaker 1: don't think we're quite there out there.

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Speaker 2: Yet, and there is getting to be more and more

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Speaker 2: pushback there is. And what it really seems that there's

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Speaker 2: going to be two models. There's network television where if

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Speaker 2: you want, you can do an antenna that is cumbersome

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Speaker 2: for some. So it's still going to be some sort

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Speaker 2: of subscription to get your network television and then your

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Speaker 2: cable television. Are all these streaming packages, and I think

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Speaker 2: part of this ESPN, Disney and YouTube tv agreement is

624
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Speaker 2: that YouTube tv is going to be able to offer

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Speaker 2: some sort of a sports bundle in the future for

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Speaker 2: people that are interested. So it's an ever changing market.

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Speaker 2: From James Robert Mitchell, I watched the Las Vegas GP

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Speaker 2: was amazed by the F one show in quotes except

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Speaker 2: for the actual on track product, which was boring. What

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Speaker 2: can IndyCar do to get a sliver of the F

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Speaker 2: one cross promotion that seems to be everywhere? Why is

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Speaker 2: IndyCar's marketing so bad? So we always hear that, And

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Speaker 2: I've been in the sport now for a pretty regular

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Speaker 2: basis for about twenty five years. You longer than that,

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Speaker 2: And we can go back to when Robin Miller started,

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Speaker 2: and my guess is that people said that marketing was terrible.

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Speaker 2: Then that's just the easiest thing to say. And what

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Speaker 2: I've come to conclusion of the last few years is

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Speaker 2: I don't know how to market it better. We always

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Speaker 2: just that that's our fallback market it better. Well, how

641
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Speaker 2: do you do that, So I can't say that that's

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Speaker 2: specifically the issue other than if you had oodles and

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Speaker 2: gobs of money like Liberty Media does and the ability

644
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Speaker 2: to I'd love to know what the books are for

645
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:24,960
Speaker 2: the Las Vegas GP because they're probably losing many, many

646
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:28,200
Speaker 2: millions of dollars on that, but it's been a good

647
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:29,120
Speaker 2: investment for them.

648
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Speaker 1: One of the ways you can market your sport, and

649
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:35,120
Speaker 1: I see that Fox is doing it right now, is

650
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:38,480
Speaker 1: on FS one. You're getting one hundred days to Indye,

651
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:42,920
Speaker 1: you're getting. As Chip Ganassi noted on social media yesterday,

652
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Speaker 1: I believe that last year, this year's Indianapolis five hundred

653
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 1: was airing on FS one, and so people are jumping

654
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 1: around looking at different options. FS one and Fox those

655
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 1: are big timers in the all the channels that you

656
00:37:57,520 --> 00:37:59,719
Speaker 1: could have, those two are still pretty big. But the

657
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:04,600
Speaker 1: opportunity to consume our product in the middle of November,

658
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 1: when you didn't have to do anything for you you

659
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 1: just gave them, you know, they got the tape of

660
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 1: the race, They just playing the race. You give them

661
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Speaker 1: one hundred days, Andy, go for it. And that's a

662
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:16,880
Speaker 1: great way to keep the message going and keep the

663
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Speaker 1: interest up when you're not really creating new content.

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Speaker 2: Now I'm not totally dismissing what James mentions there, because

665
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:28,799
Speaker 2: you are trying to capture some of what F one has.

666
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:31,759
Speaker 2: They clearly have figured something out. So that's what you're

667
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Speaker 2: trying to do, and I think that's what Fox is

668
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 2: going to help bring to the table. Working with Penske Entertainment,

669
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Speaker 2: they do want to make all of the events have

670
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Speaker 2: a little more glitz and glamour and make them feel

671
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:45,799
Speaker 2: like bigger events. And I still think I know they

672
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 2: are people that bristle a little bit about F one mentions,

673
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:54,400
Speaker 2: but I think you try to capitalize on it. You

674
00:38:56,000 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 2: take advantage of that popularity and you become much more available.

675
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:04,360
Speaker 2: If you want to go to an F one event,

676
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:07,960
Speaker 2: you need to be if you want to really experience something,

677
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:10,799
Speaker 2: you need to have some cash to spend. You know,

678
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Speaker 2: you're going to need to spend several thousand dollars to

679
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:16,960
Speaker 2: have any kind of access at all. How about you

680
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:19,000
Speaker 2: spend two or three hundred and come to an IndyCar

681
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:22,080
Speaker 2: event by a pit pass and can get something that's

682
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:22,800
Speaker 2: pretty similar.

683
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Speaker 1: Well, it's it's all about bringing your companies and your

684
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Speaker 1: partners and your customers and your race fans to the racetrack,

685
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:31,719
Speaker 1: and you know some of the social that I saw

686
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Speaker 1: over the weekend at from F one. You know, T

687
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Speaker 1: Mobile has got a got a suite and they you know,

688
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 1: they're showcasing their people at the event. So you know,

689
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 1: marketing is a tough thing. It's all about spending money.

690
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 1: And you know, you can't do marketing really without without investing.

691
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Speaker 1: And I think this regime has done a pretty good

692
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Speaker 1: job of it. I don't know that it's fool proof,

693
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Speaker 1: but you give it your best shot.

694
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Speaker 2: Rom branded who is the current favorite in your opinion

695
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:04,880
Speaker 2: to win Rookie of the Year. Also, who's the most

696
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Speaker 2: likely to get on a podium this year amongst those

697
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Speaker 2: rookie candidates? Good question. So you got Kyle Colettes, you

698
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:16,200
Speaker 2: got Mixed Schumacher, and you've got Dennis Hauger.

699
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Speaker 1: So I think the answer lies with Rayhall, Letterman Lanigan

700
00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:25,800
Speaker 1: because they have invested behind the scenes, so outside of

701
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Speaker 1: the driver market, and I think if they take a

702
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:32,760
Speaker 1: step up, Mix Schumacher is going to have a really

703
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 1: strong chance. Dale Coin Racing works magic, so Hager is

704
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:42,320
Speaker 1: going to have some good runs. Kyle Collette obviously Fots

705
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:45,000
Speaker 1: done some really nice work here in the last two years.

706
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Speaker 1: I think you have to give a slight edge to

707
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Speaker 1: mix Schumacher. He's got more experience, honestly, but he has

708
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 1: less experience in this discipline. It's going to be a

709
00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:58,040
Speaker 1: great race. It really is an interesting threesome.

710
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Speaker 2: I like to just agreed with you when I can,

711
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:02,920
Speaker 2: but I don't think I can here. I think it

712
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Speaker 2: is Schumacher because of the strength of the team. He's

713
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Speaker 2: more experienced, he's more mature than these other drivers. Now,

714
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Speaker 2: Dennis Hauger is you know, he won five F two

715
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Speaker 2: races and has some experience, but he's still what twenty

716
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Speaker 2: two years old in that range, and Schumacher won the championship,

717
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Speaker 2: so he's got a similar level of experience. Kyle Khaled

718
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:27,319
Speaker 2: is younger. You know. One thing I want to know

719
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Speaker 2: is Penske's still involved with Foyd. I mentioned this in

720
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Speaker 2: the first segment. I thought Larry Foyd said that yep,

721
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Speaker 2: that's still continuing. Well, Johnny Dogood does not agree yet.

722
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Speaker 2: He won't say now that may just be Hey, I

723
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Speaker 2: haven't seen anything signed yet. We still need to come

724
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Speaker 2: to an agreement, so we need to get this before

725
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Speaker 2: I'm going to say anything on the record, I want

726
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:51,160
Speaker 2: to make sure that this is official, and you know,

727
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 2: his money changing hands. I got the impression in the

728
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:56,759
Speaker 2: past who was more Tim Sindrick wanting to help out

729
00:41:56,760 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 2: aj Foyd racing and looking for a place or David

730
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:04,040
Speaker 2: Malucas down the road for mechanics for Miles Row, whatever

731
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Speaker 2: the case may be. It may now be a little

732
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Speaker 2: different arrangement, but it seems likely to happen. But I

733
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Speaker 2: do need to see that confirmed at this point. But

734
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Speaker 2: with the changes that ray Hall, Letterman Landing and is

735
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Speaker 2: making outside of drivers, I feel like they are poised

736
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Speaker 2: to take a step forward this year. So that's my

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Speaker 2: best guess. Speaking of ray Hall, Sarah Morris asks how

738
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Speaker 2: come Graham ray Hall wasn't ever in the Indie next booth?

739
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Speaker 2: Was that his decision or was that someone else's decision?

740
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Speaker 2: So I think that was probably his decision. I was

741
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Speaker 2: not in charge of bringing in our guest hosts. I

742
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:49,680
Speaker 2: got involved when someone would ask me, hey, if you

743
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:53,080
Speaker 2: guys can use me, I'd be interested and I would

744
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:56,800
Speaker 2: pass that along and oftentimes it would lead to someone

745
00:42:57,120 --> 00:42:58,919
Speaker 2: coming on and I was never told, no, we don't

746
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Speaker 2: want that person but usually Pam Miller, our producer, she

747
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:04,879
Speaker 2: was setting that up before I'd even thought of it.

748
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:07,000
Speaker 2: You know, we'd have a call on Tuesday and she

749
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:09,120
Speaker 2: would say, Santino's going to be in the boot this weekend,

750
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Speaker 2: and that usually came from the driver reaching out to

751
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 2: one of the producers and making themselves available. I do

752
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:22,800
Speaker 2: believe we asked some but the challenge for this year

753
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:25,520
Speaker 2: and we're hoping that changes a little bit. There are

754
00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:28,640
Speaker 2: a few more races on Saturday. There are doubleheaders on

755
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:32,880
Speaker 2: road course weekends, but on Sundays it is very difficult

756
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 2: for an Indy car driver to do their day job

757
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:37,759
Speaker 2: because the Indie next race is always right after the

758
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 2: morning warm up when they are going to an engineering meeting.

759
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:43,960
Speaker 2: So I feel confident that the door was open for

760
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 2: Graham if he wanted to, but he's like, no, I

761
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:48,400
Speaker 2: got to take care of the day job. But I

762
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:51,560
Speaker 2: do think we'll see Graham at some point, and hopefully

763
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:54,479
Speaker 2: this year. But Graham never specifically asked me. I don't

764
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:55,960
Speaker 2: know if he talked to anybody else, but I think

765
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:56,839
Speaker 2: we'll see it at some point.

766
00:43:57,280 --> 00:44:01,080
Speaker 1: And Graham also has more team, team and initiatives than

767
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 1: say Santino just because of his family being involved with

768
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Speaker 1: the team. The other thing is I think he's going

769
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Speaker 1: to be a great broadcaster at some point in his

770
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:13,319
Speaker 1: life if that's what he wants to be, if he wants.

771
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:14,960
Speaker 1: Really he's really good at it.

772
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:18,840
Speaker 2: Charlie Max is excited for what URLLL is doing. I

773
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:20,960
Speaker 2: think Mick will enjoy Indy cart and it's racing culture

774
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:23,120
Speaker 2: now at the track. Let's let him be mixed Schumacher,

775
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:26,880
Speaker 2: IndyCar driver, not Michael Schumacher's son. He's always been blessed

776
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 2: with that heritage. I think those of us that are

777
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:33,279
Speaker 2: there will let him be mixed Schumacher. It probably is

778
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 2: going to be a bit of a process for him

779
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:38,200
Speaker 2: in every market when we have the bullpens from the

780
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:41,400
Speaker 2: local media, He's unfortunately going to have to answer some

781
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:45,320
Speaker 2: of those questions. But hopefully they all understand there's not

782
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:49,040
Speaker 2: a lot he can say right at this point, so

783
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:54,200
Speaker 2: there's not a lot to ask, so hopefully we'll move

784
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:54,799
Speaker 2: on pretty much.

785
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:59,279
Speaker 1: The most of these markets aren't aren't as entrenched in

786
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:02,480
Speaker 1: F one as the markets he's been going to in Europe,

787
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:04,520
Speaker 1: so I don't know that he'll get as many as

788
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:04,960
Speaker 1: we think.

789
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:08,160
Speaker 2: I think You're probably right. As I said in the

790
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:11,239
Speaker 2: first segment, I don't think America, this is really not

791
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:13,520
Speaker 2: that big of the deal. Ray Hall, Letterman Lanigan did

792
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:16,520
Speaker 2: not hire him because he's Michael Schumacher's son. They hired

793
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:18,799
Speaker 2: him because they think he's going to be good.

794
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:22,680
Speaker 1: Well, no, I agree mostly with that, but I.

795
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 2: Think it's because the being Michael Schumacher's son is not

796
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:27,000
Speaker 2: going to carry very far.

797
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:30,040
Speaker 1: No, it's not. But the name Shoemaker is going to

798
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:33,600
Speaker 1: make a difference in their in their attracting of sponsorship.

799
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:36,520
Speaker 1: It just is come on, I mean it should, it should,

800
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:40,520
Speaker 1: and and the other thing is, I mean, with each

801
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:43,400
Speaker 1: passing year, we're moving further and further away from the

802
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:46,799
Speaker 1: number of people who had any association with Michael Schumacher.

803
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:49,440
Speaker 1: In this country. We just are there, just aren't a

804
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:51,319
Speaker 1: lot of people have a lot of information to draw from.

805
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:52,319
Speaker 1: I happen to be one of them.

806
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:52,920
Speaker 2: Uh.

807
00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:56,560
Speaker 1: But you know, it's not like, not like I'm going

808
00:45:56,600 --> 00:46:00,440
Speaker 1: to be seize him with questions. I mean, maybe one

809
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:03,120
Speaker 1: day we'll get some questions, but I mean I'll be

810
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:05,000
Speaker 1: able to ask a couple questions about his dad and

811
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:08,839
Speaker 1: his dad's influence on his career, but certainly not about

812
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:09,560
Speaker 1: his dad's health.

813
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:13,520
Speaker 2: Okay, we need to step away for just a moment,

814
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:16,720
Speaker 2: so when we come back, we'll share some show news.

815
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Speaker 2: Stay with us. It's trackside, Hi, this is what power

816
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:23,560
Speaker 2: and you're listening to trackside. Okay, final segment. Unfortunately, no

817
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:26,239
Speaker 2: time for what we missed and what Twitter questions we

818
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:28,960
Speaker 2: didn't get to. We'll do next week on Thursday. But

819
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Speaker 2: I think I have some news that people will welcome.

820
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:39,160
Speaker 2: The Burger Bash is coming back in twenty twenty six, Kurt.

821
00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:43,320
Speaker 2: That is part one. But we bounced around to a

822
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:46,120
Speaker 2: few different locations. We've bounced around to a few nights

823
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 2: and started on Carb Night. Shifted off of that because

824
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:51,640
Speaker 2: Jackson was racing on Carb Night and then I was

825
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 2: busy doing other things. You were busy, So we've moved

826
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:56,359
Speaker 2: to Mondays. But a lot of our out of town

827
00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:59,760
Speaker 2: fans have said, can you move it back to the weekend.

828
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:05,600
Speaker 2: We're only there for race weekend, and we can Thursday night,

829
00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:09,239
Speaker 2: so not Friday night. Thought about Friday night, but there's

830
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 2: already stuff going on on Main Street. There's usually a

831
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:16,920
Speaker 2: Clayton Anderson concert and there's a lot of frivolity going

832
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:20,480
Speaker 2: on that I don't know is necessarily our crowd, which

833
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:25,480
Speaker 2: our families and race fans. Logistically doesn't work very well

834
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:27,360
Speaker 2: at IMS because they kind of have a big event

835
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:29,840
Speaker 2: the next day about eighty to one hundred thousand people

836
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:32,760
Speaker 2: coming to carb Bay. So we're moving back across the street.

837
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:35,120
Speaker 2: Our friends at USAK are going to welcome us. So

838
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:40,279
Speaker 2: it's still the corner of sixteenth in Georgetown, Maine, Crawfordsville roundabout.

839
00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:42,960
Speaker 2: You can still park in the same spot, and we'll

840
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:46,640
Speaker 2: have the Burger Bash benefiting the IU Simon Comprehensive Cancer

841
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:50,400
Speaker 2: Center on Thursday. I think it's May twenty first is

842
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:54,400
Speaker 2: the day. The Thursday of Race weekend in twenty twenty six.

843
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:58,320
Speaker 1: Should be good. I like the Thursday night. We're gonna

844
00:47:58,520 --> 00:48:02,759
Speaker 1: really look to exploit that night and really really do

845
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:03,280
Speaker 1: it right.

846
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:05,120
Speaker 2: So I wanted to get this out as soon as

847
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:08,520
Speaker 2: possible for people that are booking flights to make sure

848
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:11,439
Speaker 2: that you get there by Thursday afternoon. We'll probably start

849
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:14,120
Speaker 2: at around five o'clock or so. In otherwise, same format

850
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:17,520
Speaker 2: as usual. All Right, we're out of time, Best of luck.

851
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:20,680
Speaker 2: Next week. Grandpa Cavn will join us on the show

852
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:24,800
Speaker 2: on Thursday night and we'll have good news about Katie

853
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:27,479
Speaker 2: and Lucy and the family and more. Thanks for joining

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Speaker 2: us ninety three five one oh seven five The Fan