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Speaker 1: Why from Vaal, Heartland and the Crossroads of America. It's

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Speaker 1: Tony Katz Today.

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Speaker 2: So it seems that the removal of Jimmy Kimmel from

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Speaker 2: his show has got the political left somewhat upset.

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Speaker 3: Because it's just despicable, disgusting and against democratic values. Trump

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Speaker 3: that they don't like to hear. That is not what

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Speaker 3: democracies do. That is what autocracies do. And it doesn't

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Speaker 3: matter whether you agree with Kimmel or not. He has

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Speaker 3: the right to free speech. And so it is just outrageous.

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Speaker 3: It is indicative of autocracy and I am just outraged

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Speaker 2: The right to free speech does that mean the same

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Speaker 1: I mean, is that what we're referring to here?

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Speaker 2: You have you have the right to free speech, so

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Speaker 2: therefore you have the right to be on TV and

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Speaker 2: not tell the truth. Is this what Jimmy Kimmel gets

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Speaker 2: and no one else gets? And since when did the

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Speaker 2: left all of a sudden be believers and not the

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Speaker 2: platforming people? Tony Katz, Tony Katz today, good to be

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Speaker 2: with you, Curtis how joins us right now. He is

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Speaker 2: from NewsBusters, where he is the managing editor. You can

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Speaker 2: find his work at NewsBusters dot org. The story here,

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Speaker 2: Curtis takes a couple of different kind of pieces to it,

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Speaker 2: because there's the statements of Jimmy Kimmel himself, there's the

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Speaker 2: leftist reaction. There's whether or not you agree with Brendan

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Speaker 2: and whether not the FCC should be involved in this way.

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Speaker 2: But let's start where all this starts from. As you

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Speaker 2: monitor these things and watch these things, managing editor of NewsBusters,

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Speaker 2: this is about Jimmy Kimmel lying? Or is this about

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Speaker 2: a joke regarding the assassination of Charlie Kirk.

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Speaker 4: I mean, it's a combination of all of these things. Tony.

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Speaker 5: I would say that the pressure from the FCC is

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Speaker 5: not something that should be the thrust of why they

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Speaker 5: made this decision. We looked at the Stephen Colbert cancellation.

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Speaker 5: The show costs about one hundred million. It was only

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Speaker 5: You would think it's something very similar with Jimmy Kimmel.

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Speaker 5: And you add in the fact that Jimmy takes summers

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Speaker 5: and this is a husband and wife combination. His wife

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Speaker 5: the Sinclair and Next Star moves. Those are two major

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Speaker 5: TV local TV conglomerates that own many a huge percentage,

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Speaker 5: overwhelming percentage of the local ABCCBSNBC, Fox EW affiliates across

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Speaker 5: the county. They had made the decision to not show this.

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Speaker 5: Now the left has been saying that there's a grand

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Speaker 5: Uh so they are trying to receive FCC approval and

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Speaker 4: Oh, there's a bunch of conservatives. But you look at the.

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Speaker 5: Substance of Kimmel's comments, it was deeply offensive. He was

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Speaker 5: trying to suggest a conspiracy theory and be it wasn't

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Speaker 5: Like what does that even mean?

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Speaker 4: It don't so pathetic.

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Speaker 2: I don't disagree about Kimmel, And certainly I would love

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Speaker 1: That is that's pretty dreamy.

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Speaker 2: Talking to Curtis Howk of NewsBusters checking out for yourself

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Speaker 2: NewsBusters dot org.

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Speaker 1: But you mentioned Nextstar, you mentioned.

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Speaker 2: And Claire the deal that next Our is trying to

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Speaker 5: Line they're trying to suggest that there's a cupall afoot.

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Speaker 5: The left is trying to suggest that there's conspiracy theory

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Speaker 5: Also, I would just say, like, looking at the ratings

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Speaker 5: And so and obviously Fox News a cable network not

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Speaker 5: since September twenty twenty two, has found that since he

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Speaker 5: And guy, he's still alive. He's still alive. Charlie Kirk

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Speaker 5: to be fine. He's a multimillionaire in Hollywood with plenty

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Speaker 1: That is the point.

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Speaker 2: And I took a respectable bit of umbrage with Mike Brobiglia,

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Speaker 2: Nobody is stating that Jimmy Kimmel doesn't still oone comedy

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Speaker 2: it was the political left that was overjoyed to engage

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Speaker 1: And if you never heard what it is.

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Speaker 2: That representative of Ocosio Cortes said, let me play this

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Speaker 6: Tucker Carlson is out at Fox News. Couldn't have happened

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Speaker 6: to a better guy.

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Speaker 6: Well, I'm very glad that the person that was arguably

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Speaker 4: But deep platforming works.

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Speaker 1: Deep platforming works, Curtis.

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Speaker 2: years ago, regards what you think of Tucker Carlson, but

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Speaker 1: What is your take on what's keeping them from that?

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Speaker 2: I'm Tony Katz. This is Tony Katz Today. Find everything

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Speaker 2: Want to get into a conversation about Brendan Carr. I

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Speaker 5: Educating the public because what he's saying is entirely factual.

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