1 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:10,760 Speaker 1: Line from the Heartland and the Crossroads of America. It's 2 00:00:10,840 --> 00:00:15,320 Speaker 1: Tony Katz today. 3 00:00:15,360 --> 00:00:20,959 Speaker 2: Well, hey, everybody, good morning, welcome to Tony Katz today. I 4 00:00:21,079 --> 00:00:23,400 Speaker 2: of course am not Tony Kats. Tony is off today 5 00:00:23,680 --> 00:00:30,159 Speaker 2: as this is the most sacred important holiday in the 6 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:33,839 Speaker 2: Jewish calendar. Today is Yam Kippor. And you know, I 7 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:36,040 Speaker 2: wish those of you who are observing, well, actually, if 8 00:00:36,040 --> 00:00:37,920 Speaker 2: you're observing, you're not listening right now in any case, 9 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:40,360 Speaker 2: and if you are, a shame on you. I mean 10 00:00:40,360 --> 00:00:46,159 Speaker 2: that jokingly. But for those who do observe solemnly, I 11 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:49,279 Speaker 2: wish you all all the best on this day of atonement, 12 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:51,519 Speaker 2: and it's a solemn day. We're going to get to 13 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:53,880 Speaker 2: that in a second, because there's stuff going on obviously 14 00:00:54,560 --> 00:00:57,760 Speaker 2: overseas here. I want to I want to start off here. Well, 15 00:00:57,840 --> 00:01:00,520 Speaker 2: let's talk about what's on the show today. We've got 16 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:02,880 Speaker 2: Erica Donald's joining us in just a couple of minutes. 17 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:06,840 Speaker 2: She's with the America First Policy Institute doing education policy. 18 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:09,959 Speaker 2: Tommy I Yellow from National Taxpayers Union to talk about 19 00:01:09,959 --> 00:01:13,640 Speaker 2: the shutdown. Lots of discussion about the shutdown. Zachary Marshall 20 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 2: talking about anti Semitism on Campus. He's from Campus Reform. 21 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:19,959 Speaker 2: My good buddy Jerry Rodgers, the editor of Real Clear 22 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:23,400 Speaker 2: Policy and Real Clear Health, as well as Scotty and 23 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:27,040 Speaker 2: l Hughes, now a fellow at Frontiers of Freedom, all 24 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:28,800 Speaker 2: going to be joining us to talk about the news 25 00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:30,240 Speaker 2: of the day and what's happening. If you want to 26 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:34,560 Speaker 2: join the conversation, you can always call us here at 27 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:38,640 Speaker 2: three one seven two nine three, and you can message me. 28 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:40,480 Speaker 2: If you don't want to call in, you can message 29 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:42,360 Speaker 2: me on Facebook. You can at me on Twitter. I 30 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:46,680 Speaker 2: still call it twitter at Andrew underscore Langer on Twitter, 31 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:50,040 Speaker 2: Facebook dot com slash Andrew Langer shows how you messaging 32 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:53,280 Speaker 2: me there. You're welcome to do that if something catches 33 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:57,680 Speaker 2: your ear. I want to say this, had a wonderful 34 00:01:57,680 --> 00:02:00,680 Speaker 2: evening last night, and it sets things up for today 35 00:02:00,720 --> 00:02:04,800 Speaker 2: and it gets to the issue of of why community 36 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:09,120 Speaker 2: is so vital and so important. You know, I work 37 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:12,040 Speaker 2: in d C. I'm not. I don't live in d C. 38 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:14,400 Speaker 2: I don't even live near d C anymore. I live 39 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:16,919 Speaker 2: I live several hours away. I lived on the Eastern 40 00:02:16,919 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 2: Shore of Maryland for a very long time, and and 41 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:24,080 Speaker 2: the Eastern Shore of Maryland has a great Deally in 42 00:02:24,200 --> 00:02:29,680 Speaker 2: common with the rural areas in Indiana, many of which 43 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 2: much of which is within Tony's listening are actually not 44 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:36,760 Speaker 2: just in Indiana but all over the Midwest. The You know, 45 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:39,120 Speaker 2: I lived in a in a farming town, an agricultural 46 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:42,160 Speaker 2: town in the Midwest. UH, and I had the opportunity. 47 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:44,200 Speaker 2: Let no, I lived in a farming town on the 48 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:45,240 Speaker 2: eastern shore of Maryland. 49 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:45,840 Speaker 3: UH. 50 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 2: I had the opportunity last night to go and speak 51 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:53,040 Speaker 2: in Queen An's County, Maryland, and and it reinforced to 52 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:58,800 Speaker 2: me just how vital and important these connections are the 53 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:03,360 Speaker 2: importance of community. Seeing folks I hadn't seen some of 54 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:08,760 Speaker 2: the them I haven't seen in about a decade, brought 55 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:10,920 Speaker 2: one of my kids out with me to this so 56 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:13,240 Speaker 2: who had grown up in this community, and it really 57 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 2: was just amazing and as important in all of this, 58 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:21,200 Speaker 2: I heard a great speech from Andy Harris, Congressman Andy Harris, 59 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:24,079 Speaker 2: who was the chairman of the House Freedom Caucus, and 60 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:28,600 Speaker 2: he helped crystallize what is going on with this government 61 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:32,440 Speaker 2: shutdown and what is at stake. But before we get 62 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:35,000 Speaker 2: to that, before we talk about these things, I do 63 00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:38,080 Speaker 2: have to talk about what's happening over in the UK 64 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:45,360 Speaker 2: right now. There was an horrendous attack today this morning, 65 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:52,280 Speaker 2: our time, you know, on a synagogue in Manchester in England. Again, 66 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:57,760 Speaker 2: the most sacred day in the Jewish calendar is jam Kippor, 67 00:03:57,840 --> 00:04:02,320 Speaker 2: the day of Atonement. It is the day that Jews 68 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:07,000 Speaker 2: go to synagogue and they ask for God's forgiveness for 69 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:10,520 Speaker 2: their sins in the year before and and all of 70 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:12,960 Speaker 2: their transgressions. This is this is you know, this is 71 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:16,720 Speaker 2: an important day. It really sets up the whole year. Yes, Russia, 72 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:19,120 Speaker 2: Shana is the new year. Yam Kippor is the day 73 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:24,200 Speaker 2: of Atonement, and uh, it is the day when you listen. 74 00:04:24,240 --> 00:04:27,240 Speaker 2: We all know this. In other faiths, you know there 75 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:30,279 Speaker 2: are there are there are people of the variety of 76 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:34,719 Speaker 2: flavors of Christianity will only go to church on Christmas 77 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:38,200 Speaker 2: Eve and Easter. You know there are there are Jews 78 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:40,840 Speaker 2: who go to who go to synagogue on Yam Kipor. 79 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:48,240 Speaker 2: And it is one of those situations where imagine as 80 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:50,800 Speaker 2: you as you are contemplating life and you're trying to 81 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:55,840 Speaker 2: understand what is happening and why this attack is so significant. 82 00:04:56,520 --> 00:05:00,880 Speaker 2: Imagine if there was a terrorist attack on Easter Sunday 83 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:06,360 Speaker 2: or on or on Christmas, the day that any kind 84 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:10,800 Speaker 2: of an attacker would know that the largest proportion, the 85 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:15,599 Speaker 2: largest portion of a Christian church's population is going to 86 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:19,480 Speaker 2: be in church that day. That's the significance here with 87 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:24,119 Speaker 2: this attack, and it underscores the problems that the UK 88 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:27,520 Speaker 2: is facing and has faced. Part of what drove Brexit 89 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:33,520 Speaker 2: was a real discomfort and concern with the changing face 90 00:05:33,560 --> 00:05:35,360 Speaker 2: of the UK. I had the opportunity a couple of 91 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:38,800 Speaker 2: weeks ago to sit down with Liz Truss, who was 92 00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:42,800 Speaker 2: Prime Minister of the UK, to talk about free speech 93 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:45,040 Speaker 2: and free speech under attack. You know, we talk about 94 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:47,840 Speaker 2: it here. The left certainly is trying to talk about 95 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:51,600 Speaker 2: free speech under attack, you know, the wake of the 96 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:56,320 Speaker 2: idiotic Jimmy Kimmel's situation, right as though that is in 97 00:05:56,400 --> 00:06:01,080 Speaker 2: any way approaching you know, whether you know it's people 98 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:05,320 Speaker 2: being jailed in the UK for exercising their freedom of speech, 99 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 2: their freedoms of expression, or Charlie Kirk being struck down 100 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:12,839 Speaker 2: in the prime of his life by an assassin's bullet. 101 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:18,080 Speaker 2: The idea that sort of Jimmy Kimmel or Stephen Colbert 102 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:21,920 Speaker 2: that they're being fired for a variety of reasons, or 103 00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:26,120 Speaker 2: in the case of Kimmel being temporarily suspended, I mean, 104 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:29,880 Speaker 2: good lord, you know, as other folks have said, it's 105 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:33,800 Speaker 2: like it's like Jimmy Kimmel was somehow transported back from 106 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:36,240 Speaker 2: the Gulag, which is an insane way of looking at things. 107 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 2: But Liz Trust, when I talked to her a couple 108 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:41,640 Speaker 2: of weeks back, she had this to say about what 109 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:44,560 Speaker 2: is at stake for Western civilization going play cut number 110 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:46,600 Speaker 2: fifteen landed also. 111 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:53,640 Speaker 4: Reasserting the values that underlie Western civilization and having institutions 112 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:55,240 Speaker 4: are explicitly based on that. 113 00:06:55,640 --> 00:06:55,839 Speaker 1: Right. 114 00:06:56,000 --> 00:07:00,080 Speaker 4: That's important because it's not just it's not enough to 115 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:04,120 Speaker 4: be neutral, right when you're fighting people who are actively 116 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:05,920 Speaker 4: against the civilization. 117 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:10,720 Speaker 2: Right, it is there. There are folks who fundamentally want 118 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:15,080 Speaker 2: to transform, uh, and they wanted to do it in Europe. 119 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:20,200 Speaker 2: They have wanted to undermine the various you know, individual 120 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:27,679 Speaker 2: national cultures in Europe, just destroy national identities and fundamentally 121 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:33,320 Speaker 2: shift the values. Let's remember that our American system of 122 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:38,960 Speaker 2: jurisprudence relies heavily on the British system. Now, of course, 123 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:42,960 Speaker 2: we fought a revolution because frankly, UH, the King and 124 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 2: the Parliament were not at hearing or they didn't think, 125 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:51,200 Speaker 2: they didn't believe that the colonial citizens had the same 126 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:57,840 Speaker 2: rights as true blue Englishmen. But that being said, we 127 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:01,360 Speaker 2: owe a great deal of the way we approach government 128 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:06,000 Speaker 2: and governance UH to that system, to what was laid 129 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:10,800 Speaker 2: out in Magna Carta et cetera. And so as the 130 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:14,600 Speaker 2: as you know, Europe is fighting these things and people 131 00:08:14,640 --> 00:08:20,040 Speaker 2: are being jailed in the UK. You know, we're fighting 132 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:23,560 Speaker 2: for those things here. And of course the same forces 133 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 2: that are at work to undermine those things are the 134 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:29,120 Speaker 2: same forces that are working in point of fact, right, 135 00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:33,679 Speaker 2: this underlies this shutdown. And yeah, we're gonna be joined 136 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:36,720 Speaker 2: in a moment by Erica Donald's. We may ask her 137 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:38,600 Speaker 2: about this, obviously, I know she wants to talk about 138 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:42,640 Speaker 2: education policy, but we're gonna we're gonna talk about this 139 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:47,360 Speaker 2: shutdown and what's really at stake and the misinformation and 140 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 2: disinformation that is being put out there. At the end 141 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:57,960 Speaker 2: of the day, folks, the government has shut down because 142 00:08:58,160 --> 00:09:02,680 Speaker 2: Republicans finally held the line on making sure that American 143 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:07,880 Speaker 2: taxpayer dollars were taking care of American taxpayers and not 144 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:13,199 Speaker 2: folks who have come here either illegally or legally. If 145 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:16,640 Speaker 2: you come here, if you migrate here legally, it should 146 00:09:16,679 --> 00:09:19,960 Speaker 2: not be left to the rest of the American taxpayers 147 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:23,319 Speaker 2: to foot your bill. Right, you have to come here, 148 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:27,440 Speaker 2: You got to stand on your own. And I'm sorry 149 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:30,920 Speaker 2: if that sounds mean, but that's the way it works. 150 00:09:31,040 --> 00:09:36,360 Speaker 2: Milton Friedman made it really clear you cannot have mass 151 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:40,880 Speaker 2: migration and an unfettered social welfare state. That is how 152 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:43,520 Speaker 2: you bankrupt and destroy a nation. That is what the 153 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 2: Democrats are trying to do. That is what Europe is 154 00:09:46,160 --> 00:09:49,960 Speaker 2: fighting against. And we'll talk about how this is playing 155 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:52,520 Speaker 2: out in education policy and elsewhere with Erica Donald's from 156 00:09:52,559 --> 00:09:55,960 Speaker 2: America First Policy Institute. I'm Andrew langer In for Tony Katz. 157 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:58,200 Speaker 2: This is Tony Katz today. We are back. I am 158 00:09:58,280 --> 00:10:02,000 Speaker 2: Andrew langer In for Tony Kats today joining us right now. 159 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:05,920 Speaker 2: She is the chair of Education Opportunity at the America 160 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:10,040 Speaker 2: First Policy Institute. Her name is Erica Donald's and she's 161 00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:12,160 Speaker 2: working on some really interesting stuff that is very near 162 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:14,560 Speaker 2: and dear to my heart. As I've probably said on 163 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:18,439 Speaker 2: this show before, I came to my values, my beliefs 164 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:21,400 Speaker 2: about government and the relationship between a government and its citizenry. 165 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:24,360 Speaker 2: Because I turned five in nineteen seventy six, you can 166 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:27,120 Speaker 2: go ahead and do the math. And so during the 167 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 2: Bithentennial and just consumed information about the American founding, saw 168 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:36,680 Speaker 2: the musical seventeen seventy six, watched and can quote verbatim 169 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:42,960 Speaker 2: Schoolhouse Rock. But you know, there's a several successive generations 170 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:46,920 Speaker 2: that have lost all of that, and we're seeing it 171 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:51,600 Speaker 2: play out today. Erica. This is what this project America 172 00:10:51,640 --> 00:10:55,440 Speaker 2: two fifty Civic Education Coalition, This is what you're working on, 173 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:55,840 Speaker 2: isn't it. 174 00:10:56,760 --> 00:11:00,240 Speaker 5: Absolutely We want the five year old of today to 175 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:05,120 Speaker 5: be equally excited about the American America. We love American history, 176 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:09,000 Speaker 5: civic literacy, understanding the founding of our country, our constitution, 177 00:11:09,559 --> 00:11:11,840 Speaker 5: our rights as outlined in the Bill of Rights. Was 178 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:15,120 Speaker 5: only five percent of Americans can name a type of those. 179 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:16,920 Speaker 5: So we have a lot of work to do. But 180 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:20,239 Speaker 5: we believe that if you know America, you love America. 181 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:22,240 Speaker 5: And the problem is they don't know it well enough. 182 00:11:22,280 --> 00:11:25,800 Speaker 5: So we are promoting civic literacy America. First politians to 183 00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:29,679 Speaker 5: imparnship with the Department of Education and forty other coalition members. 184 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:33,720 Speaker 2: You know, you talk about this I was, as I'm 185 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:38,800 Speaker 2: sure you were appalled. Thomas Jefferson came from Virginia. Thomas 186 00:11:38,840 --> 00:11:41,160 Speaker 2: Jefferson went to mi alma mater, the College of William 187 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:44,160 Speaker 2: and Mary, then founded another university up the road, which 188 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:47,040 Speaker 2: we don't talk about. But Thomas Jefferson, who wrote the 189 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:50,200 Speaker 2: Declaration of Independence, you know, wrote this document talking about 190 00:11:50,440 --> 00:11:52,480 Speaker 2: the fact that we are endowed by our creator with 191 00:11:52,520 --> 00:11:57,760 Speaker 2: certain inalienable rights. Two hundred and fifty years later, Tim Cain, 192 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:03,600 Speaker 2: the junior Senators from Virginia, it turns that on its head, 193 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:07,480 Speaker 2: this is an insane place for America to be, isn't. 194 00:12:07,240 --> 00:12:10,720 Speaker 5: It It is, and especially when you know with the 195 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:14,600 Speaker 5: latest activities here in America that forty percent of young 196 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:18,640 Speaker 5: people things in response to free speech is okay. And 197 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:20,840 Speaker 5: so we again, we have a lot of work to do. 198 00:12:20,920 --> 00:12:23,400 Speaker 5: That's why we have launched this coalition and we are 199 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:25,680 Speaker 5: going on a fifty state tour. We're going to be 200 00:12:25,679 --> 00:12:30,760 Speaker 5: holding patriotic events at K twelve and higher education institutions, 201 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:34,520 Speaker 5: bringing in people from around these states, local community members 202 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:37,160 Speaker 5: and groups to be a part of this, and promoting 203 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:40,600 Speaker 5: civic literacy in our K twelve and higher education system, 204 00:12:40,920 --> 00:12:44,520 Speaker 5: not just as a side project, right, not a side note, 205 00:12:44,520 --> 00:12:47,320 Speaker 5: but really a core part of the curriculum learning the 206 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:49,920 Speaker 5: true history of our country and what makes America great. 207 00:12:49,920 --> 00:12:52,320 Speaker 2: You know, because we've flipped it on its head where 208 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:56,320 Speaker 2: this stuff becomes ancillary and there is this focus on 209 00:12:57,000 --> 00:13:00,960 Speaker 2: all of this other politically driven narrative of the sixteen 210 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:04,280 Speaker 2: nineteen projects you guys talk about here, and we lose 211 00:13:04,320 --> 00:13:06,840 Speaker 2: everything else. Right, folks are free to sort of talk 212 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:12,360 Speaker 2: about the more shameful, the horrifying aspects of American history 213 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:14,120 Speaker 2: and the mistakes that were made and the fact that 214 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:17,000 Speaker 2: the Founders were flawed, but that's not the central issue, right, 215 00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 2: This was my real problem America. And we're talking with 216 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:21,680 Speaker 2: Eric Donalds from the American First Policy Institute. You know, 217 00:13:21,800 --> 00:13:24,240 Speaker 2: my parents just went and saw Hamilton in the theaters 218 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:27,800 Speaker 2: a couple of weeks ago, the movie theater, and you know, 219 00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:30,760 Speaker 2: I went and saw Hamilton, and it's brilliant to watch 220 00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:33,960 Speaker 2: and it's very exciting. But you know, lin Manuel Miranda 221 00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:38,200 Speaker 2: distilled the American Founding down to a bunch of psychobabble 222 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:42,760 Speaker 2: about how Alexander Hamilton viewed himself. And that's not what 223 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:46,200 Speaker 2: this was about. These were there were serious issues being 224 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:52,280 Speaker 2: discussed by serious men who had a serious grounding in this. 225 00:13:52,280 --> 00:13:54,800 Speaker 2: This is what you are bringing in terms of this 226 00:13:54,880 --> 00:13:58,040 Speaker 2: integration of Civics education into these curricula, isn't it. 227 00:13:59,000 --> 00:13:59,200 Speaker 6: Yes? 228 00:13:59,320 --> 00:14:02,240 Speaker 5: And our founder did not view America through the lens 229 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:05,960 Speaker 5: of the oppressed and oppressors, and that's what the sixteen 230 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:08,720 Speaker 5: nineteen projects did. And we have to remember we were 231 00:14:08,760 --> 00:14:11,360 Speaker 5: all outraged when it was brought to light. It was 232 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:15,679 Speaker 5: being taught in thousands of classrooms for many years, and 233 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:18,880 Speaker 5: sometimes we find that they are still teaching in this 234 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:22,320 Speaker 5: manner the CRT you know, behind the scenes, and so 235 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:25,320 Speaker 5: we have a lot of undoing to do with students 236 00:14:25,320 --> 00:14:28,160 Speaker 5: who were taught this by people who are in authority 237 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:31,560 Speaker 5: in their lives, their teachers. Sometimes their parents were taught 238 00:14:31,560 --> 00:14:34,360 Speaker 5: that way, and we need to undo that and let 239 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:37,680 Speaker 5: them appreciate. Yes, we have overcome a lot in America, 240 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:39,920 Speaker 5: but this is the place where people go to achieve 241 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:45,320 Speaker 5: an American dream, home ownership, building a family, generational wealth, 242 00:14:45,520 --> 00:14:48,280 Speaker 5: getting out of poverty like I did, like my husband did, 243 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:51,400 Speaker 5: because of hard work and opportunity that America provides for you. 244 00:14:51,640 --> 00:14:53,240 Speaker 5: Those are the things that we want people to love 245 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:56,880 Speaker 5: about America and love that we overcome those periods of 246 00:14:56,920 --> 00:15:00,440 Speaker 5: time that none of us would like to relive America. 247 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:02,720 Speaker 2: What I appreciate is, you know, you do this work, 248 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:07,200 Speaker 2: and your husband, you know, he is he takes a 249 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:11,760 Speaker 2: backseat to all of this. He's he's a bit of 250 00:15:11,800 --> 00:15:15,680 Speaker 2: a wallflower or or no, I'm not making a joke here, obviously. 251 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:20,680 Speaker 5: Well, yes, my husband, Congressman Byron Dons, who's also running 252 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:24,800 Speaker 5: for governor Florida. He what he's doing is embodying the 253 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:28,480 Speaker 5: amazing exactly. And the reason why he'll say this, he's 254 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:31,200 Speaker 5: a Republican is because he read the Magna Carta, he 255 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:34,680 Speaker 5: read law by Frederick Bastiat. He understood and looked back 256 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:38,800 Speaker 5: at political philosophy that built this amazing republic, the best 257 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:42,000 Speaker 5: experiment that man has ever known. And that is why 258 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:45,320 Speaker 5: he's so passionate as well as I am about civic 259 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:48,680 Speaker 5: literacy and understanding the constitution, the founding of our country. 260 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:51,880 Speaker 2: You and your husband have such a compelling story in 261 00:15:51,920 --> 00:15:53,760 Speaker 2: this because, as you point out, and I used to 262 00:15:53,840 --> 00:15:55,640 Speaker 2: talk about what the American dream meant. In fact, when 263 00:15:55,640 --> 00:15:57,240 Speaker 2: the Tea Party movement was getting started, I did a 264 00:15:57,240 --> 00:16:00,600 Speaker 2: couple of interviews with folks who are very anti Tea Party, 265 00:16:01,800 --> 00:16:05,280 Speaker 2: and I talk about the issue of empowerment and freedom. 266 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:07,680 Speaker 2: I mean, that's what the American dream is. It's about 267 00:16:07,760 --> 00:16:10,600 Speaker 2: self empowerment. And that's how I tend to view public policy. 268 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:12,960 Speaker 2: Does it empower people to act on their own behalf 269 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:16,680 Speaker 2: or does it disempower them? But again, if you don't 270 00:16:16,800 --> 00:16:20,080 Speaker 2: know what you don't know, how can you love America? 271 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:21,960 Speaker 2: If you can't agree on who we are as a people, 272 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:24,800 Speaker 2: how can we come together to solve problems? This America 273 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:29,480 Speaker 2: two fifty Civic Education Coalition, this gets it, That doesn't it? 274 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:32,440 Speaker 5: It does, And it's not just about learning history. It 275 00:16:32,560 --> 00:16:35,000 Speaker 5: is about what our future is going to work like. 276 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:39,080 Speaker 5: In order to have a vitality as a nation and 277 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:41,920 Speaker 5: remain the leaders on the global stage, we have to 278 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:46,240 Speaker 5: unite as an American people. We are so segregated right 279 00:16:46,280 --> 00:16:49,640 Speaker 5: now on political needs, on our view of American history, 280 00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:53,560 Speaker 5: that we cannot compete and be as one against our 281 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:56,280 Speaker 5: real enemies, which are outside of the United States who 282 00:16:56,280 --> 00:16:58,760 Speaker 5: would love to see us destroyed. We have to come 283 00:16:58,800 --> 00:17:01,840 Speaker 5: together and civic literary see, starting at the very bottom 284 00:17:01,880 --> 00:17:04,200 Speaker 5: all the way through our education system is what's going 285 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:04,640 Speaker 5: to do it. 286 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:06,520 Speaker 2: In fact, I would I would dare say that it's 287 00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:11,040 Speaker 2: our enemies who are who have worked very diligently to 288 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:14,560 Speaker 2: undermine our Civics education, to turn us against each other, 289 00:17:14,840 --> 00:17:17,000 Speaker 2: because if we are turned against each other, we cannot 290 00:17:17,040 --> 00:17:18,879 Speaker 2: stand up to external threats? Can we? 291 00:17:19,840 --> 00:17:22,679 Speaker 5: Absolutely? And you are right about that. We're not going 292 00:17:22,760 --> 00:17:23,399 Speaker 5: to let it happen. 293 00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:23,600 Speaker 3: Though. 294 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:27,159 Speaker 5: The America two fifty Civics Education Coalition coming to a 295 00:17:27,280 --> 00:17:30,080 Speaker 5: state near you, so be on the lookout for our events. 296 00:17:30,280 --> 00:17:33,240 Speaker 2: So so, where are you all going? What's first up? 297 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:34,600 Speaker 2: What do you what are you teeing up? And how 298 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:36,000 Speaker 2: do folks find out more about this? 299 00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:36,440 Speaker 1: Erica? 300 00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:40,560 Speaker 5: Yes, Pennsylvania is first up. We're almost going in the 301 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:43,760 Speaker 5: order of the joining the Union. But America two fifty 302 00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:45,960 Speaker 5: Civics dot Com is where they can get more information. 303 00:17:46,119 --> 00:17:48,520 Speaker 5: Follow me at Erica Donald's I'll be posting about it 304 00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:49,280 Speaker 5: over the next year. 305 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:52,159 Speaker 2: No, it is, it is. It is very exciting to 306 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:54,160 Speaker 2: say the least. You know, the work you guys are 307 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:57,000 Speaker 2: doing at the America First Policy Institute, it's all very 308 00:17:57,280 --> 00:18:02,800 Speaker 2: it's all very important, you know, Just what do you 309 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:04,960 Speaker 2: My question is when do you come to Virgina? I mean, yes, 310 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:08,120 Speaker 2: obviously I'm filling in for Tony in Indiana, and that's important. 311 00:18:08,119 --> 00:18:09,680 Speaker 2: But I want to know when you're when you're coming, 312 00:18:09,800 --> 00:18:11,040 Speaker 2: and when are you going to teach the folks at 313 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:12,920 Speaker 2: Colonial Williamsburg what they ought to be doing. 314 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:17,200 Speaker 5: We will definitely let you know when we come there, 315 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:20,160 Speaker 5: and we will be in partnership with many state level 316 00:18:20,240 --> 00:18:23,840 Speaker 5: organizations that people are very familiar with, because this is 317 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:27,199 Speaker 5: going to be a team effort. All of us are 318 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:29,840 Speaker 5: Team America. We're going to make this country great again 319 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:32,800 Speaker 5: with Donald Trump at the helm, and it's going to 320 00:18:32,800 --> 00:18:35,000 Speaker 5: be an exciting two hundred and fiftieth celebration of the 321 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:36,480 Speaker 5: greatest country man has ever known. 322 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:39,080 Speaker 2: Well, Erica, you and your husband are are an amazing 323 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:42,760 Speaker 2: power couple. Wish both of you all the success. Thank 324 00:18:42,760 --> 00:18:43,960 Speaker 2: you so very much for joining. 325 00:18:43,800 --> 00:18:45,600 Speaker 5: Us today, dal thanks for having me. 326 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:49,000 Speaker 2: It's Erica Donald. She is the Chair of Education Opportunity 327 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:54,040 Speaker 2: at the America First Policy Institute, the initiative on the 328 00:18:54,080 --> 00:18:57,240 Speaker 2: America two fifty Civic Education Coalition. You go and check 329 00:18:57,280 --> 00:19:02,280 Speaker 2: that out. America two fifty Civics is the website. I 330 00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:08,440 Speaker 2: can't tell you something. I think my lucky stars that 331 00:19:08,920 --> 00:19:12,080 Speaker 2: I'm in a America right now where Donald Trump is president, 332 00:19:12,119 --> 00:19:14,280 Speaker 2: and someone listen. I'm someone who was a Trump skeptic. 333 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:17,640 Speaker 2: Let me be really clear about that, and I don't 334 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:20,520 Speaker 2: have some kind of slavish devotion, but I will say 335 00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:23,040 Speaker 2: I would much rather have Donald Trump President of the 336 00:19:23,080 --> 00:19:26,560 Speaker 2: United States than Kamala Harris. As America celebrates his two 337 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:30,400 Speaker 2: hundred and fiftieth anniversary, I cannot wait for next year 338 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:32,560 Speaker 2: and all of the events that are gonna happen. Listen, 339 00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:34,960 Speaker 2: I'm excited the fact that Donald Trump's President of America 340 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:36,920 Speaker 2: returns to the moon. So when we come back, Tommy, 341 00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:39,639 Speaker 2: I Yellow from National Taxpayers Unit. I'm Andrew Langer. This 342 00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:46,000 Speaker 2: is Tony Katz today. Welcome back, everybody. I am Andrew 343 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:51,159 Speaker 2: Langer in for Tony Katz Today. You can check me 344 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:54,720 Speaker 2: out at Andrew Underscore Langer l A n G er 345 00:19:55,040 --> 00:19:58,480 Speaker 2: on X. I still call it Twitter, but other folks 346 00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:00,640 Speaker 2: call it xpro Tommy, Tommy, I yelow, do you still 347 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:02,360 Speaker 2: call it acts or or do you do you still 348 00:20:02,359 --> 00:20:02,959 Speaker 2: call it twitter? 349 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:05,760 Speaker 3: I still call it Twitter. It'll a twitter in. 350 00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:10,159 Speaker 2: I appreciate. It's just like the football team in Washington 351 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:13,920 Speaker 2: will always be the Redskins, as opposed to anybody else. 352 00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:16,840 Speaker 2: Tommy I Yellow. He is the senior director of Government 353 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:20,679 Speaker 2: affairs of the National Taxpayers Union NTU dot org is 354 00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:25,440 Speaker 2: the website. And it's funny, man, I tweeted out a 355 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:29,320 Speaker 2: little bit earlier. You know, I ran some numbers. The 356 00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:32,520 Speaker 2: American Federation of Government Employees is the is the largest 357 00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:38,320 Speaker 2: federal employee union. It has eight hundred thousand members who 358 00:20:38,359 --> 00:20:42,800 Speaker 2: pay on average forty dollars a month. And that means 359 00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:47,280 Speaker 2: that means that that if if RUSS vote starts firing 360 00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:51,200 Speaker 2: federal employees, you know, there is thirty two million dollars 361 00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:54,320 Speaker 2: a month that is at stake for the AFGE. I 362 00:20:54,359 --> 00:20:57,240 Speaker 2: can't imagine why they why they would be filing lawsuits 363 00:20:57,240 --> 00:20:58,600 Speaker 2: to prevent this from happening to. 364 00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:02,040 Speaker 3: You know, I mean, I think that union. 365 00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:05,200 Speaker 7: Endorsed the Democratic shutdown, which makes no sense. Right, they 366 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:08,080 Speaker 7: have a right responsibility to look out for their members, 367 00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:10,320 Speaker 7: and now their members aren't getting paid and I'm sure 368 00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:12,160 Speaker 7: a lot of them will get laid off. 369 00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:13,040 Speaker 3: And never return to work. 370 00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:15,199 Speaker 7: So it doesn't really seem like a good strategy from 371 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:16,240 Speaker 7: a union's perspective. 372 00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:19,880 Speaker 2: Let me ask you this, man, because this this it's 373 00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:22,040 Speaker 2: a perennial question. Neil and I haven't talked about this, 374 00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:24,360 Speaker 2: and we'll get to we'll get to what's at stake 375 00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:26,040 Speaker 2: in the specifics in the bill. But you know, you've 376 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:30,280 Speaker 2: you've been around Washington long enough, you get the sense 377 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:34,640 Speaker 2: that the Democrats, for some Democrats or some Democrat member 378 00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:38,040 Speaker 2: members of the Democrat coalition, that they don't understand that 379 00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:40,639 Speaker 2: the worm has turned out. I'm not, you know, interested 380 00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:42,639 Speaker 2: in retribution. I know there are other folks who are 381 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:45,679 Speaker 2: very just in retribution to revenge or whatever. But we 382 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:48,280 Speaker 2: are now fully in the era of f around and 383 00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:52,800 Speaker 2: find out and and and I get the sense that 384 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:55,879 Speaker 2: the AFGE doesn't understand this. They're like all in. I 385 00:21:56,119 --> 00:22:03,160 Speaker 2: got this clip from uh Shri Fandahar from Michigan, which 386 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:08,560 Speaker 2: is just a bizarre video. He admits that the shutdown 387 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:11,879 Speaker 2: is the fault of the Democrats and takes great pride 388 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:15,639 Speaker 2: in this, but they don't quite understand. No, we're not 389 00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:17,159 Speaker 2: monking around anymore, are we. 390 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:20,960 Speaker 3: No. I've seen that video too. He's staying the quiet 391 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:23,760 Speaker 3: part out loud. Yes, it's the Democrats that are shutting 392 00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:24,120 Speaker 3: this down. 393 00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:27,280 Speaker 7: If they don't if the Republicans don't backtrack on healthcare, 394 00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:31,879 Speaker 7: which means healthcare for non US citizens, right, you know, 395 00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:34,360 Speaker 7: reversing the good things and the one big beautiful bill, 396 00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:39,440 Speaker 7: work requirements for working aged, able bodied adults, income verification, 397 00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:42,800 Speaker 7: you know, making sure there's not multiple people enrolled in 398 00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:44,359 Speaker 7: multiple different states for healthcare. 399 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:47,040 Speaker 3: All of these things hundreds of billions. 400 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:48,720 Speaker 7: Of dollars, and we have all of this research that 401 00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:52,720 Speaker 7: says if the Democrats are successful, it'll cost taxpayers over 402 00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:55,680 Speaker 7: a trillion dollars in new spending. Yeah, it's a lot 403 00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:57,360 Speaker 7: of money. And this is this is where the Democrats 404 00:22:57,400 --> 00:22:57,879 Speaker 7: are fighting for. 405 00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:00,600 Speaker 2: Unfortunately, well and it gets down to this so funny 406 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:05,879 Speaker 2: because yeah, we're talking about the issue of illegal immigrants 407 00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:11,639 Speaker 2: getting access to taxpayer funded healthcare. And that's part of it, obviously, 408 00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:15,240 Speaker 2: it's a huge part of it. But I gotta tell you, 409 00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:17,720 Speaker 2: I got a problem with with legal immigrants, you know, 410 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:21,320 Speaker 2: getting access to taxpayer dollars. This is exactly what Milton 411 00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:24,680 Speaker 2: Friedman warned against when he said he can have you know, 412 00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:28,439 Speaker 2: an open border and a massive social welfare state. Certainly 413 00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:30,840 Speaker 2: there are countries in Europe that have been bankrupted by this. 414 00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:35,480 Speaker 2: You know, this is the you know, a trillion dollars 415 00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:39,800 Speaker 2: that is absolutely preventable. This is just crazy talking the 416 00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:42,080 Speaker 2: part of the Democrats, isn't it It is? 417 00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:43,000 Speaker 8: And you know what, the. 418 00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:47,320 Speaker 7: The way Democrats talk about this makes no sense. They 419 00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:51,560 Speaker 7: say Republicans absolutely gutted healthcare. You know, you would make 420 00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:53,719 Speaker 7: it seem like Grandma is going to get thrown out 421 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:56,000 Speaker 7: of the nursing home. People aren't going to be able 422 00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:58,719 Speaker 7: to get healthcare coverage. That's just simply not true. Right, 423 00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:01,399 Speaker 7: what Republicans do it And then one big beautiful bills 424 00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:05,320 Speaker 7: they slow the growth of vending Medicaid will there will 425 00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:09,440 Speaker 7: be no reduction to Medicaid over the next ten years. 426 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:12,280 Speaker 3: It's going to grow every single year. It's a trillion 427 00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:15,800 Speaker 3: dollar a year program. But Republicans did is basically they're 428 00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:17,840 Speaker 3: not letting it grow as quickly as it was. And 429 00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:19,560 Speaker 3: it was right of control before. 430 00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:22,280 Speaker 7: So the fact that you know, they say that millions 431 00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:24,360 Speaker 7: of people are going to lose coverage is simply not true. 432 00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:27,040 Speaker 7: Some people will because they have to. 433 00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:27,880 Speaker 3: Get a job. 434 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:30,560 Speaker 7: If they get a job, they'll get employee sponsored healthcare. 435 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:33,080 Speaker 7: Or if they work twenty hours a week and make 436 00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:35,800 Speaker 7: at certain level of the federal poverty line, they'll still 437 00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:38,280 Speaker 7: be eligible for their Medicaid benefits. 438 00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:39,359 Speaker 3: They simply have to get a. 439 00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:42,960 Speaker 7: Job and work twenty hours a week, go to school, volunteer, 440 00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:45,280 Speaker 7: do whatever contribute to society. 441 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:47,680 Speaker 3: There'll be no change to their eligibility status. 442 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:49,920 Speaker 2: Well, let me let me add to this, Tommy. We're 443 00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:52,119 Speaker 2: talking with Tommy Ielo. He's a senior director of government 444 00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:55,080 Speaker 2: Affairs at the National Taxpayers Union NTU dot org. Is 445 00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:59,160 Speaker 2: is the website, you know, Let's let's be really clear. 446 00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:06,400 Speaker 2: What we're talking about were emergency appropriations for the Obamacare 447 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:09,680 Speaker 2: subsidy that we're only supposed to be a temporary and 448 00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:13,720 Speaker 2: emergency And let's not forget that, despite the fact that 449 00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:15,960 Speaker 2: we were told that healthcare premiums were not going to 450 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:19,959 Speaker 2: go up, healthcare premiums skyrocketed. Health insurance premiums, I should say, 451 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:22,880 Speaker 2: because there's difference between health insurance and healthcare. Health insurance 452 00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:26,320 Speaker 2: premium skyrocketed as we knew they were going to, as 453 00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:28,960 Speaker 2: we predicted they were going to. All of this is 454 00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:31,280 Speaker 2: a mess that has been created by the Democrats, isn't it. 455 00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:35,080 Speaker 7: You know, when they passed Obamacare at twenty ten, they 456 00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:38,439 Speaker 7: said it's actually called the Affordable Care Act, right right, we. 457 00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:41,160 Speaker 3: Call it Opencare. It's supposed to make healthcare affordable. 458 00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:43,760 Speaker 7: I don't think anyone with the healthcare is affordable right now, 459 00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:45,080 Speaker 7: and it certainly. 460 00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:47,160 Speaker 3: Has had the opposite effect over the past fifteen years. 461 00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:48,400 Speaker 3: No one finds it affordable. 462 00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:51,919 Speaker 7: And when we talk about these specific Obamacare tax credits 463 00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:53,600 Speaker 7: that expire at the end of the year, we need 464 00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:56,680 Speaker 7: to remember a few things. Democrats put it into law 465 00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:59,760 Speaker 7: that they expire this year, right, They are the ones 466 00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:02,560 Speaker 7: that wanted it to sunset, and now they want Republicans 467 00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:05,080 Speaker 7: to build them out. And these tax credits, they cost 468 00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:06,080 Speaker 7: forty billion. 469 00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:06,320 Speaker 3: Dollars a year. 470 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:08,440 Speaker 7: That's a lot of money. And you yet to see 471 00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:12,000 Speaker 7: who the tax credits actually benefit. They benefit wealthy people. 472 00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:15,200 Speaker 7: That's the the Democratic party base. It's these upper middle 473 00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:18,280 Speaker 7: class people. Now Republicans are the party of the working class. 474 00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:20,840 Speaker 7: So with these tax credits, you have people making up 475 00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:24,400 Speaker 7: to five hundred thousand dollars a year benefiting from tax 476 00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:27,480 Speaker 7: credits that are supposed to help lower income people. 477 00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:30,000 Speaker 3: It really makes no sense. We're in this topsy turvy 478 00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:32,520 Speaker 3: world of politics. It really boggles my. 479 00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:36,840 Speaker 2: Mind now, it really, it really is amazing how much 480 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:41,600 Speaker 2: of this gets, you know, ginned up because the wealthiest 481 00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:45,359 Speaker 2: elitist Democrat donors just don't want to do these things. 482 00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:49,359 Speaker 2: And again they are, they are, they are responsible for 483 00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:52,440 Speaker 2: all of this. I mean, Tommy, what you hear in 484 00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:53,480 Speaker 2: on this? 485 00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:54,359 Speaker 9: What you know? 486 00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:56,760 Speaker 2: You you're I'm not going to not going to sell 487 00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:59,159 Speaker 2: you by saying you're a DC insider, But what are 488 00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:00,600 Speaker 2: you hearing? When do you think this is going to go? 489 00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:04,479 Speaker 2: I mean, folks seem to forget that the Democrats they 490 00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:07,520 Speaker 2: have a retreat. Listen, you talk about I'm sorry, Tommy, 491 00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:11,040 Speaker 2: you brought this up right, you talk about the wealthy, 492 00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:15,400 Speaker 2: well heeled Democratic donors. Where are the Democrats going Columbus 493 00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:17,200 Speaker 2: Day weekend for their retreat. They're going up to the 494 00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:20,840 Speaker 2: California wine country to have this very expensive, very cushy thing. 495 00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:24,040 Speaker 2: They've got to end this before they go away to 496 00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:26,399 Speaker 2: the wine country, right, there's no way? Or do they 497 00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:29,080 Speaker 2: just simply think that America won't care that they're off 498 00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:31,360 Speaker 2: in the wine country while while the government shut down. 499 00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:34,359 Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean it reminds me so much of Gavin 500 00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:37,440 Speaker 7: Newsom at the Three Mists star French laundry that costs 501 00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:39,160 Speaker 7: one thousand dollars just to sit down. 502 00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:40,800 Speaker 3: Right. They did that during COVID. 503 00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:43,639 Speaker 7: They're doing it during a government shutdown. It's really unfortunate. 504 00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:48,239 Speaker 7: And look, we all want a smaller, more nimble, more 505 00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:50,920 Speaker 7: efficient federal government. We don't think we get there through 506 00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:51,840 Speaker 7: government shutdown. 507 00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:53,280 Speaker 3: So, you know, it's very. 508 00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:55,320 Speaker 7: Interesting to see the Democrats try and call this the 509 00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:56,360 Speaker 7: Republican shutdown. 510 00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:59,040 Speaker 3: They are the ones that voted against you the. 511 00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:02,560 Speaker 7: Same appropriation level just to allow negotiators to continue for 512 00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:03,560 Speaker 7: another seven weeks. 513 00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:05,520 Speaker 3: They are the ones that's responsible for this. 514 00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:07,760 Speaker 7: So you know, that's very frustrating, and I think the 515 00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:10,760 Speaker 7: American people see through that too. They see the political 516 00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:13,560 Speaker 7: games and bolside trying to blame each other. But I 517 00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:15,240 Speaker 7: think at the end of the day, the American people 518 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:17,360 Speaker 7: realize what's happening is at the faults. 519 00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:17,879 Speaker 3: Of the Democrats. 520 00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:19,840 Speaker 7: So the sooner that they get their ducts in order, 521 00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:22,440 Speaker 7: hopefully we can get the government reopen, we can get 522 00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:25,359 Speaker 7: back to the business of negotiating things and just allow 523 00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:26,480 Speaker 7: people to get back to work. 524 00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:28,720 Speaker 2: Well there you go, Tommy, I yello. How to folks 525 00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:30,119 Speaker 2: find out more about the good work you guys are 526 00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:31,560 Speaker 2: doing in the National Taxpayers Union. 527 00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:34,879 Speaker 7: Sure they can go to NTU dot org for a 528 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:37,239 Speaker 7: whole bunch of physical research, or they can follow us 529 00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:39,720 Speaker 7: on Twitter, not ex Twitter or Facebook. 530 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:41,840 Speaker 2: And to you there you go, ad end to you 531 00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:44,479 Speaker 2: on Twitter. Tommy I. Yello, Senior Director of Government Affairs, 532 00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:46,920 Speaker 2: enjoy the rest of the Schumer cs to my friend, 533 00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:50,800 Speaker 2: thank you. Take care. Listen. When we come back. Speaking 534 00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:54,400 Speaker 2: of Gavin Newsom, we're going to be uh oh man. 535 00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:59,000 Speaker 2: The Democrats seem to not understand that there's this thing 536 00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:02,360 Speaker 2: called the internet. Stick with me for a second, guys, 537 00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:06,000 Speaker 2: there's this thing called the internet, and it is forever 538 00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:08,840 Speaker 2: in fact landing to me before we go to the break, 539 00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:13,120 Speaker 2: real quick, Yeah, I want you to play this cut 540 00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:15,960 Speaker 2: number ten here is one of the one of the 541 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:19,960 Speaker 2: Fox News hosts checking uh. Senator Jean Jaheen, play cut 542 00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:20,840 Speaker 2: number ten, real quick. 543 00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:24,000 Speaker 5: I haven't heard anybody in my party saying that illegal 544 00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:26,880 Speaker 5: immigrants should get access to the health insurance market. 545 00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:29,400 Speaker 10: Sie, I'm so glad you said. Actually, I have some 546 00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:33,800 Speaker 10: tape of your Democratic Party members said this on the 547 00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:36,280 Speaker 10: debate day, so they've all said, and let's blame the clip. 548 00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:40,040 Speaker 6: A lot of you have been talking tonight about these 549 00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:42,960 Speaker 6: government and healthcare plans that you proposed in one form 550 00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:45,400 Speaker 6: or another. This is a show of hands, question and 551 00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:46,000 Speaker 6: hold them up. 552 00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:46,920 Speaker 5: For a moment, so. 553 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:50,640 Speaker 6: People can see where's your handed government if your government 554 00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:59,080 Speaker 6: plan would provide coverage for undocumented immigrants, So send it. 555 00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:01,360 Speaker 10: To that's that's a little every member of your party, 556 00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:05,760 Speaker 10: from moderate to more progressive that have said that in 557 00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:06,360 Speaker 10: the past. 558 00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:10,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, so that was from the twenty nineteen Democratic primary debate. 559 00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:15,040 Speaker 2: Every Democrat on that stage raise their heads. Well, and 560 00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:17,239 Speaker 2: in a moment, we're going to hear from the two 561 00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:20,600 Speaker 2: different Gavin Newsoms, the Gavin Newsom of twenty twenty two 562 00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:23,360 Speaker 2: versus the Gavin Newsom of twenty twenty five. I'm Andrew 563 00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:25,920 Speaker 2: Langer in for Tony Katz. This is Tony Kats today. Well, 564 00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:29,240 Speaker 2: i am Andrew Langer in for Tony Katz today on 565 00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:33,280 Speaker 2: this solemn Yam kippor, the most important day in the 566 00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:37,200 Speaker 2: Jewish calendar. You can find me on x at Andrew 567 00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:39,600 Speaker 2: Underscore Langer. You can also message me while I'm on 568 00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:42,560 Speaker 2: the air, Facebook dot com slash Andrew Langer Show. And 569 00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:44,320 Speaker 2: as we're talking with Tommy, you know, we played that 570 00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:48,040 Speaker 2: clip from Jane Shaheen and apparently Democrats are not aware 571 00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:50,920 Speaker 2: that there's this little thing called the Internet and that 572 00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:54,640 Speaker 2: when you say things, they may come back to haunt 573 00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:56,480 Speaker 2: you or we may be able to prove you wrong. 574 00:30:57,160 --> 00:31:00,240 Speaker 2: So you know, all of this discussion right right now. 575 00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:04,440 Speaker 2: One of the big issues is the Republicans talking about 576 00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:07,240 Speaker 2: how the Democrats want to spend billions of dollars in 577 00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:11,880 Speaker 2: paying for healthcare for not just ill illegal immigrants, but 578 00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:15,280 Speaker 2: legal immigrants as well. But there is certainly a lot 579 00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:19,720 Speaker 2: of money that is being spent on illegal immigrants, and 580 00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:24,320 Speaker 2: so maybe we'll talk more about this in a bit. 581 00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:25,720 Speaker 2: You know what jade Van said to say. 582 00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:26,280 Speaker 3: But what I. 583 00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:29,480 Speaker 2: Appreciate is is Gavin Newsome weighing in this because we 584 00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:33,480 Speaker 2: were talking about California. We're talking about the fact that 585 00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:37,240 Speaker 2: the Democrats have this retreat that's supposed to happen next weekend, 586 00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:40,120 Speaker 2: so not this coming weekend, but Columbus Day weekend. They're 587 00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:41,880 Speaker 2: all supposed to be up in Napa Valley for some 588 00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:47,280 Speaker 2: cushy wine country retreat. Here is Gavin Newsom. This is 589 00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:49,880 Speaker 2: a great clip from mays Moore m A Z E 590 00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:53,200 Speaker 2: m O O R E. Maysmore on X. It's the 591 00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:57,120 Speaker 2: juxtapositions a little long, but stick with it here. First 592 00:31:57,160 --> 00:31:59,120 Speaker 2: you have Gavin Newsom in twenty twenty two. Then you 593 00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:02,400 Speaker 2: have them more recently twenty twenty five, Let's play cup thirteen. 594 00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:05,560 Speaker 11: Please a campaign on universal health care. We're delivering that 595 00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:11,720 Speaker 11: we are implementing our ideals. We are manifesting us principle, 596 00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:15,040 Speaker 11: this fundamental notion that so many of us have been 597 00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:18,920 Speaker 11: preaching for years and years and years, universal health care 598 00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:22,320 Speaker 11: for all, regardless of pre existing condition, regardless of the 599 00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:26,120 Speaker 11: ability to pay, and regardless of your immigration status. If 600 00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:31,120 Speaker 11: you care not just about values and principles of morality, 601 00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:35,680 Speaker 11: but if your only values and principles are advanced through economics, 602 00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:40,160 Speaker 11: then that alone should be an argument in favor. It'll 603 00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:42,960 Speaker 11: just pause healthcare, a pathway and a framework just. 604 00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:45,400 Speaker 2: Pauses se point one. So you know, in that clip, 605 00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:48,000 Speaker 2: Gavin Newsom is making the moral case for this. Now, 606 00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:51,920 Speaker 2: I would submit that the moral case is actually a 607 00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:55,000 Speaker 2: to make sure I've talked about this before, A to 608 00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:58,280 Speaker 2: make sure that your promises are being delivered on in 609 00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:01,640 Speaker 2: terms of making healthcare workssible and more affordable. Right, the 610 00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:04,840 Speaker 2: Democrats have not done that. They have in fact lied 611 00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:08,040 Speaker 2: to the American people on this, but also the folks 612 00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:10,840 Speaker 2: who are actually paying for their healthcare that they're getting 613 00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:14,920 Speaker 2: this health care and that They're not being essentially denied 614 00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:18,280 Speaker 2: healthcare because you want to create a whole new class 615 00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:19,720 Speaker 2: of folks who are going to vote for you. That's 616 00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:22,320 Speaker 2: the morality here. But that's gavenus have in twenty twenty two. 617 00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:26,440 Speaker 11: Let's keep going there landon million undocumented residents in the 618 00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:30,880 Speaker 11: state of California to vail themselves to high quality, comprehensive 619 00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:37,320 Speaker 11: medical care, long term, short term preventative, as well as 620 00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:39,960 Speaker 11: in home support, service care. 621 00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:40,560 Speaker 2: And coverage. 622 00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:45,000 Speaker 9: Now, Newsom says California is facing a twelve billion dollar deficit. 623 00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:50,720 Speaker 9: Governor is proposing freezing enrollment in state funded healthcare for 624 00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:52,480 Speaker 9: undocumented immigrants. 625 00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:54,920 Speaker 8: You know, when the program started, it was supposed to 626 00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:57,920 Speaker 8: cost about three billion dollars a year, and that ballooned 627 00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:03,600 Speaker 8: to eleven billion here. So the governor is freezing new 628 00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:06,480 Speaker 8: entries into it and making those who are asking those 629 00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:09,200 Speaker 8: people were already in it to pay take a look. 630 00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:14,359 Speaker 11: We are moving forward with making decisions that not only 631 00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:18,560 Speaker 11: address the concerns this year related to the one point 632 00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:23,440 Speaker 11: nine billion, but mindful that we need to tighten things up. 633 00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:27,080 Speaker 11: We believe that people should have some skin in the 634 00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:28,600 Speaker 11: game as it relates to contributions. 635 00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:31,600 Speaker 3: So we are looking to a monthly premium. 636 00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:36,040 Speaker 11: We are asking for something we ask all taxpayers account. 637 00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:39,239 Speaker 2: We can end it there. So, but I thought it 638 00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:41,360 Speaker 2: was a moral issue. I thought, at the end of 639 00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:43,560 Speaker 2: the day, it was a moral issue, Governor, right, Or 640 00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:46,040 Speaker 2: is it only a moral issue when it doesn't actually 641 00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:49,680 Speaker 2: cost you anything. That's the problem with empty promises. And 642 00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:52,759 Speaker 2: we all listen, we all knew. We all knew that 643 00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:55,440 Speaker 2: this was not going to cost three billion. As though 644 00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:59,359 Speaker 2: three billion dollars to pay for the healthcare of folks 645 00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:05,960 Speaker 2: who are here in legally is okay, it's not. But 646 00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:09,439 Speaker 2: the fact that it went up another eight to nine 647 00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:13,800 Speaker 2: billion dollars in California. And can you imagine why it 648 00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:19,759 Speaker 2: is that California, the California delegation, why the Democrats are 649 00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:24,759 Speaker 2: fighting so hard for this. They made this mess. And 650 00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:27,439 Speaker 2: I haven't said this yet on this show in a while, 651 00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:31,000 Speaker 2: on this show today, it's something I used to say 652 00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:34,840 Speaker 2: that the most well intentioned policies eventually bump up against 653 00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:37,680 Speaker 2: very real realities. My dad simplified it and said, Andrew, 654 00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:42,000 Speaker 2: there are many roads to utopia, however, almost traverse the 655 00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:46,920 Speaker 2: surface of the earth. Intentions aside, this is the reality 656 00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:50,800 Speaker 2: when you have open borders, and you have a massive 657 00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:53,560 Speaker 2: social welfare state. You will bankrupt the nation in the 658 00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:56,880 Speaker 2: next hour. Zachary Marshall from Campus Reform, Jerry Rodgers from 659 00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:59,680 Speaker 2: Real Clear Policy. I'm Andrew Langer. This is Tony Katus 660 00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:00,680 Speaker 2: Today six