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Speaker 1: good to be with you. That is right, people. That

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Speaker 1: us right now from hotair dot com. You can catch

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Speaker 1: him there all the time, the kapatituti coppo over at

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Speaker 1: hotair dot com. Let's start with the fundamentals of this shutdown,

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Speaker 1: which is the Democrats have not been able to share

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean again, the stakes here are so low.

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Speaker 3: This part of the problem is that shutdowns are just

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Speaker 3: It was dumb when the Republicans did it, it's dumb

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Speaker 1: I never buy into that. Right, you can lose your

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Speaker 1: If you didn't catch it there, that's Ed Morrissey quoting

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Speaker 1: Matthew Roderick Ali Sheety Wargames reference maybe Dabney Coleman's finest work.

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Speaker 3: A core violation of the separation of powers doctrine in

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Speaker 1: move it to to part three, as I've got my

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Speaker 1: And then the latest is we're going to provide it

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Speaker 2: How this is quite by the way, world class. I

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Speaker 3: Bernie says.

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Speaker 1: Honestly, this is the kind of thing Bernie would have

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Speaker 1: Yet here it is happening, and no one's getting on

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Speaker 3: Well, I don't know that no one's getting on Trump's

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Speaker 3: You can you can find people are who are dissenting

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Speaker 3: from the tariff thing. I've always had two minds about tariffs.

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Speaker 3: because we've done no tariffs now for a long time,

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Speaker 3: We're getting abused in this process. And I think Trump

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Speaker 3: is is that the tariff regime as implemented is all

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Speaker 2: It's ad hoc.

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Speaker 3: Right, there's no there's no rhyme or reason to it.

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Speaker 2: Which it is not.

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Speaker 3: I don't want I don't want balance trade with Luxembourg, right, Switzerland, right,

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Speaker 3: that the especially in China where they're using slave labor

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Speaker 2: I was, I was.

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Speaker 3: And I still am willing to see how that would work.

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Speaker 3: But this, the way it's being applied now is nonsense.

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Speaker 3: There's no point in handing it back to people if

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Speaker 1: Which is exactly exactly the point that I make. I

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Speaker 1: to talk more about tariffs, but I'm up against it.

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Speaker 2: But before I.

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Speaker 4: Let you go, going back to the shutdown, I was

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Speaker 4: told that the shutdown, to paraphrase rama manual, created a

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 1: Never let a crisis go to waste, because it allows

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Speaker 1: you to do things you otherwise could not do. It's

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Speaker 1: that second part that is the most important part of

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Speaker 1: that quote from the then Chief of Staff to Barack Obama,

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Speaker 1: Rama Manual. I was told that this would allow this shutdown,

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Speaker 1: would allow for mass firings to take place, and then

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Speaker 1: of these people have to be rehired, you rehire them

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Speaker 1: with your people. So the question before us is we've

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Speaker 2: How come no one's been fired yet? Ed?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I mean this is a great question. I

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Speaker 3: and start doing these mass layoffs, not furloughs, but layoffs. Right. Instead,

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Speaker 3: they were talking about fighting over back pay, which is

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Speaker 3: sort of the opposite of what their threat was is

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Speaker 3: we're not talking about back pay. If you're talking about

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Speaker 3: back pay, then you're not talking about firing people. You're

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Speaker 3: just talking about doing the normal furlough, which they had

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Speaker 3: said they weren't going to do. You know, Donald Trump

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Speaker 3: the firings are going to start pretty soon and that

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Speaker 3: Democrats were going to be sorry until you actually pull

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Speaker 3: that trigger, right, nobody's going to take it seriously. And

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Speaker 3: I think what they were hoping for was that Democrats

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Speaker 3: to a point where they were just going to say, Okay,

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Speaker 3: let's get this thing off the table so we can

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Speaker 3: get back to business. We've made our point, whatever point

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Speaker 3: that might have been. But they're not interested in doing that.

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Speaker 3: And so you're gonna have to. You're gonna have to

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Speaker 3: provide a few more sticks.

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Speaker 2: You said you were going to do it, you have

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Speaker 2: to do it. I agree.

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Speaker 1: And the point of this shutdown, the point is the

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Speaker 1: same point that Corey Booker made in a twenty five

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Speaker 1: hour filibuster.

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Speaker 2: It's the same exact point. There was no point in

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Speaker 2: the filibuster, guy, So there was no point to it.

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Speaker 1: Yes, Basically, basically what we're saying here is that this

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Speaker 1: is pointless.

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Speaker 3: Every shutdown is pointless, Every shut down is pointless, and

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Speaker 3: so yes, but the sooner they get to that point

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Speaker 3: a pointlessness. Maybe we can move on and get some

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Speaker 3: negotiations done.

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Speaker 1: He is the king of pointless. He is Ed Morrissey

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Speaker 1: of hotair dot com.

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Speaker 2: Be sure to check him.

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Speaker 1: Out at hot air dot com at always a Pleasure

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Speaker 1: more to get you on, Tony Katz.

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