1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:04,560 Speaker 1: We've got a real misunderstanding about the very concept of grace. 2 00:00:04,840 --> 00:00:08,840 Speaker 1: Tony Katz, Tony Katz today, and when Abigail Spamberger, who 3 00:00:08,960 --> 00:00:12,840 Speaker 1: is the Democrat running for governor in Virginia, the one 4 00:00:12,880 --> 00:00:16,240 Speaker 1: who wouldn't answer the questions of lieutenant governor, the Republican 5 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:19,119 Speaker 1: running for governor, Winsome Earl Sears her first name is 6 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:24,560 Speaker 1: Winsome wnsme E, refused to answer the questions regarding somebody 7 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:28,520 Speaker 1: she's supporting who wants to kill kids. Tony Katz, Tony 8 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:31,280 Speaker 1: Katz today, good to be with you, and now she 9 00:00:31,320 --> 00:00:34,040 Speaker 1: wants to talk about grace. Just to give you the 10 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:38,440 Speaker 1: quick story. In Virginia, you have the attorney general candidate 11 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:45,960 Speaker 1: j Jones, Democrat nominee for attorney general running against Dreyson Miaris, 12 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:49,280 Speaker 1: who is the current attorney general. And this guy, Jay 13 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:52,239 Speaker 1: Jones and text messages said he wanted to kill the 14 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:55,040 Speaker 1: Republican leader of the House there in Virginia and kill 15 00:00:55,080 --> 00:01:02,040 Speaker 1: his kids. Abigail Spamberger, congresswoman running for governor, has endorsed 16 00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:06,759 Speaker 1: him and isn't moving away from the endorsement when asked 17 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:10,240 Speaker 1: about it in the debate, point blank asked about it, 18 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:13,800 Speaker 1: she not only refused to answer, she refused to look 19 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:21,360 Speaker 1: at Winsome, would not look at Winsome. Earl Sears just refused. 20 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:24,399 Speaker 1: It was the craziest thing ever. You knew this is 21 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:26,120 Speaker 1: going to get used against you, and the and the 22 00:01:26,160 --> 00:01:32,600 Speaker 1: ads that they've used against Abigail Spanburger are absolutely amazing, 23 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:37,760 Speaker 1: amazing how much they have been able to get out 24 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:41,880 Speaker 1: of this, showing her to be the absolute kind of 25 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:49,360 Speaker 1: it's kind of monstrous, and how it gets presented that 26 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:55,320 Speaker 1: here is winsome. Earl Sears. Just answer the question, Abigail, 27 00:01:55,880 --> 00:02:01,000 Speaker 1: answer the basic question, Abigail, and she won't even look 28 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 1: at her. Abigail Spamburger will not look at her. It's 29 00:02:08,040 --> 00:02:12,799 Speaker 1: it is a stunning bit of of of back and 30 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:17,440 Speaker 1: forth where she's just looking right at her, and Abigail's 31 00:02:17,480 --> 00:02:22,520 Speaker 1: Bamburger is won't just won't mention her, won't look at her, 32 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:23,320 Speaker 1: won't answer her. 33 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:30,680 Speaker 2: Well, I think everybody, Oh, I'm a Christian, I'm a 34 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:34,520 Speaker 2: Christian before i'm a Republican, and I'm required to forgive people. 35 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 2: And it's hard sometimes when somebody has abused you, et cetera. 36 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:41,840 Speaker 2: But something you must do because not to forgive. It's 37 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:45,560 Speaker 2: almost like as someone said, you drink poison thinking that 38 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:47,919 Speaker 2: it's going to affect the other person. And I want 39 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:50,080 Speaker 2: to live a decent life and I don't want to 40 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:53,880 Speaker 2: have not have peace in my life. And so I, 41 00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:57,280 Speaker 2: as I've said before, I would not say that. So 42 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:03,400 Speaker 2: that's why I'm wondering why my opponent won't say beyond 43 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:09,040 Speaker 2: its abhorrent and disgusting, why she won't say it is 44 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 2: not okay and that he must leave the race. Because 45 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:17,320 Speaker 2: j Jones advocated the murder, Abigail, the murder of a man, 46 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:21,880 Speaker 2: a former speaker, as well as his children who were 47 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:23,919 Speaker 2: two years, two and five years old. 48 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:25,680 Speaker 1: You have little girls? 49 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:28,200 Speaker 3: Would it take him pulling the trigger? 50 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:29,720 Speaker 1: Is that? What would do it? 51 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:31,720 Speaker 2: And then you would say he needs. 52 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:34,800 Speaker 3: To get out of the race, Abigail, you have nothing 53 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:36,880 Speaker 3: to say, Abigail. 54 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:40,240 Speaker 2: What if he said it about your two children? 55 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:43,280 Speaker 3: Your three children? Is that when you would say he 56 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:48,480 Speaker 3: should get out of the race, Abigail, you're running to the. 57 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:55,720 Speaker 1: Governor won't answer. It's a crazy, crazy bit of video there. Well, 58 00:03:55,760 --> 00:04:02,520 Speaker 1: this same Abigail Spanberger, she is, I don't know you 59 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:04,680 Speaker 1: want to call it, doing a podcast. She's doing an 60 00:04:04,760 --> 00:04:10,000 Speaker 1: interview where all of a sudden boys and girls sports 61 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 1: comes into the conversation, Oh good lord, we're still doing this, 62 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:22,000 Speaker 1: and she is on the defensive, claiming it's okay for 63 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:24,960 Speaker 1: boys to be told they're girls, it's okay to tell 64 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:27,000 Speaker 1: girls to take a backseat to boys. 65 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:31,920 Speaker 3: What are your thoughts on youth sports allowing trans athletes 66 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:32,880 Speaker 3: to participate. 67 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:36,600 Speaker 4: Well, I think that we see and I mean, it's 68 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:39,560 Speaker 4: about thirty million dollars worth of attack ads against me 69 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:45,360 Speaker 4: related to trans youth that they have run so far, 70 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:48,240 Speaker 4: and there's there's more advice in the future, some of 71 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:51,120 Speaker 4: them about this, most of them about this. And I 72 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 4: think the reason that we have seen that Republicans continue 73 00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:59,800 Speaker 4: to use use the issue of trans kids or trans 74 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:06,960 Speaker 4: kids and sports participation as an attack is, you know, 75 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:08,560 Speaker 4: there's there's multiple levels of it. 76 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:08,920 Speaker 2: One. 77 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:11,919 Speaker 4: I think that broadly speaking, every pundit after the twenty 78 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:15,400 Speaker 4: twenty four election, uh, you know, at least in part 79 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:19,600 Speaker 4: attribute the Democratic loss to that one particular ad that 80 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:23,960 Speaker 4: that spoke about, you know, the sort of infamous they 81 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:26,480 Speaker 4: then add, if you will, And so I think the 82 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:29,640 Speaker 4: takeaway from the twenty four election for some folks was 83 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:32,920 Speaker 4: that that was, you know, a really potent ad and 84 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:37,680 Speaker 4: you know, certainly my opponent is trying to you know, 85 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:40,640 Speaker 4: and even copy some of the language. You know, the 86 00:05:40,839 --> 00:05:44,960 Speaker 4: notably the quote unquote you know is for they them 87 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:46,279 Speaker 4: element of that ad. 88 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:51,000 Speaker 1: The ad was effective because the ad perfectly portrayed how 89 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:56,120 Speaker 1: America sees this issue. And my gosh, you think this 90 00:05:56,200 --> 00:06:00,560 Speaker 1: is Republicans on the attack, This is Republicans in the protection. 91 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:04,240 Speaker 1: It is the Democrats who are seen as the one 92 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:07,400 Speaker 1: engaging in an attack on children. If they're okay with 93 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:11,200 Speaker 1: mutilating children and telling young girls in sports to just 94 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:14,240 Speaker 1: sit back and take it when a man or a 95 00:06:14,279 --> 00:06:19,440 Speaker 1: boy replaces them. She's lost this issue and brings up 96 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:22,120 Speaker 1: the ad. I think it was. I think it was 97 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:24,720 Speaker 1: the White House put it out, or I should say 98 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:27,040 Speaker 1: the Trump team that put it out. The ad that 99 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:31,760 Speaker 1: that really hurt. She's admitting to it, and she's doubling 100 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:38,839 Speaker 1: down on her progressive opinion. That's pretty incredible stuff. But 101 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:42,200 Speaker 1: it gets nuttier, and. 102 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:47,640 Speaker 4: I think the real challenges there's a lot of people 103 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:51,440 Speaker 4: who've you know, never met a transperson, whether they're a 104 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:55,960 Speaker 4: transuth or an adult, and so there's a real effort 105 00:06:56,080 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 4: to engage in some level of fear mongering and you know, 106 00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:03,919 Speaker 4: I really do believe that we should, as a society, 107 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:06,880 Speaker 4: as a whole, you know, demonstrate a fair amount of 108 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:09,720 Speaker 4: grace to people who are confused about you know, when 109 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 4: we're talking about bathrooms or when we're talking about sports participation. 110 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:17,200 Speaker 1: At least she used the word confused, but not in 111 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:24,240 Speaker 1: the proper context. They are indeed confused. So why is 112 00:07:24,320 --> 00:07:28,520 Speaker 1: it that you believe that for a confused child, everybody 113 00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:33,520 Speaker 1: else should manipulate reality to allow them to continue to 114 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:38,720 Speaker 1: be confused. How is that helpful? How is that valuable? 115 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:43,440 Speaker 1: It is a perfect articulation of how the political left 116 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:47,000 Speaker 1: sees the world. They do not believe in reality, and 117 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:50,000 Speaker 1: then working around it, they believe in their fantasy, and 118 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:54,720 Speaker 1: you bending to it, You bend to their invention of 119 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:58,000 Speaker 1: reality as opposed to a recognition of what's actually happening 120 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:01,000 Speaker 1: in front of us. The boy says he's a girl, 121 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:03,840 Speaker 1: and now everybody's supposed to call him she. And then 122 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:06,840 Speaker 1: he is on the girls swim team, and he is 123 00:08:06,880 --> 00:08:09,400 Speaker 1: wearing a dress and he's putting on makeup, as if 124 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:12,080 Speaker 1: wearing a dress and putting on makeup is what makes 125 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:15,200 Speaker 1: one a woman. Dear lord, I've never done either one 126 00:08:15,200 --> 00:08:17,520 Speaker 1: of those things, and I know that's not what makes 127 00:08:17,560 --> 00:08:23,520 Speaker 1: one a woman. You don't buy into the mental illness, 128 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:27,440 Speaker 1: you don't buy into the confusion. You say, hey, you're confused, 129 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:29,960 Speaker 1: let's help you through this, and you don't subject other 130 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:34,360 Speaker 1: people to the madness. And she believes that doing so 131 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:39,320 Speaker 1: is grace. And then of course, oh, let's see, the 132 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:42,400 Speaker 1: Republicans are fearmongering because they never met a transperson. This 133 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:47,120 Speaker 1: is not the argument. This is the pseudo intellectual place 134 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:51,960 Speaker 1: of Abigail Spamberger and people on the political left, and 135 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:54,600 Speaker 1: they think you should allow these boys to playing girl sports, 136 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:57,400 Speaker 1: these men to play in women's sports, and that that's grace. 137 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:02,440 Speaker 1: Let's change gears for a moment and talk about grace 138 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:05,880 Speaker 1: because it just came up today. There's a story out 139 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:12,920 Speaker 1: of the NBA where a guard for the Indiana Pacers. 140 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:21,080 Speaker 1: His name is Cam Jones, Cam Jones, he was arrested, 141 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:25,760 Speaker 1: hadn't played a game yet, rookie. What was he arrested for? 142 00:09:26,280 --> 00:09:31,320 Speaker 1: He's speeding, Cam Jones, first name spelled Kam. He's speeding. 143 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:35,559 Speaker 1: Police get behind him, sirens go off, he keeps driving 144 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:42,480 Speaker 1: for miles. He's still driving. The arrest he was arrested 145 00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:47,520 Speaker 1: because police say he caused a brief pursuit along Interstate 146 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:51,719 Speaker 1: sixty five. A brief pursuit. Well, well, I'm pretty sure 147 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:55,680 Speaker 1: you're gonna go to jail for a brief pursuit. In 148 00:09:55,720 --> 00:10:00,560 Speaker 1: his statement, he says, quote made a statement, I'm deeply 149 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:03,319 Speaker 1: sorry to the Pacers organization and the fans. This was 150 00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:06,040 Speaker 1: a pretty traumatic experience for me. I've never been through 151 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:09,160 Speaker 1: anything like this. It won't happen again. I'm deeply sorry 152 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:11,520 Speaker 1: to the organization. I look forward to getting past this 153 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:14,600 Speaker 1: and getting back to work. I read that, and I 154 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:20,400 Speaker 1: said something is off about that because I apologize, it 155 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:23,920 Speaker 1: won't happen again. I'm sorry. I look forward to getting 156 00:10:23,920 --> 00:10:27,959 Speaker 1: past this and getting back to work. Okay, I think 157 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:31,839 Speaker 1: an apology is I did this and I apologize. He said, 158 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:34,320 Speaker 1: this was a pretty traumatic experience for me. I've never 159 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:38,120 Speaker 1: been through anything like this. Something about that just hits odd, Right. 160 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:42,440 Speaker 1: It's like, Okay, you're apologizing, but you're not. But you 161 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:46,160 Speaker 1: know you did something wrong, but it's about how you 162 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:50,000 Speaker 1: are dealing with this trauma again, Dear Lord, everything about trauma. 163 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:52,960 Speaker 1: And someone reached out to me on the Twitter x 164 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:55,080 Speaker 1: at Tony Katz you find me there on the X 165 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:58,640 Speaker 1: on the twitters and we're like, twenty three years old. 166 00:10:58,920 --> 00:11:03,480 Speaker 1: Screwed up? How about a little bit of grace? Now, 167 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:05,920 Speaker 1: in that situation, you can say, hey, he was speeding, 168 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:10,160 Speaker 1: Hey endangered people's lives. But you could also say, young 169 00:11:10,240 --> 00:11:15,240 Speaker 1: man screwed up, Yes, twenty three, but screwed up. And 170 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:19,439 Speaker 1: is you know a large stage because he's a professional 171 00:11:19,480 --> 00:11:22,960 Speaker 1: athlete and I hope he has a good career. You 172 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:27,200 Speaker 1: can have grace in that situation. And I said you could, 173 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:31,000 Speaker 1: couldn't you? And we could all do with a little 174 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:33,679 Speaker 1: more grace. I don't say no, I'm not saying you 175 00:11:33,679 --> 00:11:36,600 Speaker 1: shouldn't be held accountable. Will there be any jail time 176 00:11:36,679 --> 00:11:38,520 Speaker 1: or anything out He's got a court date and everything else, 177 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:42,480 Speaker 1: but held accountable. But you can show a level of 178 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:50,679 Speaker 1: grace there is that the same as showing grace to 179 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:58,160 Speaker 1: adults who want to physically mutilate children, who believe that 180 00:11:58,320 --> 00:12:01,160 Speaker 1: young girls in schools should have to take a back 181 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:05,240 Speaker 1: seat to boys who claim to be girls telling girls 182 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:09,040 Speaker 1: they should just lay back and take it. That's showing grace. 183 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:18,360 Speaker 1: Supporting mental illness is not showing grace. Abigail Spamberger is 184 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:21,920 Speaker 1: on the wrong side of this issue on every single level. 185 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:25,360 Speaker 1: She doesn't even understand the concept of grace. And I 186 00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:28,080 Speaker 1: put forth to you that you do not show grace 187 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:33,160 Speaker 1: to people who are proactive in confusing children and mutilating children. 188 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:39,360 Speaker 1: Not school officials, not counselors, not people in culture, not doctors, 189 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:43,760 Speaker 1: not medical professionals. You mutilate children, you lose your license 190 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:46,439 Speaker 1: to practice medicine. You should go to jail. I'm not 191 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:50,160 Speaker 1: going to debate here. We're going to say that's enough. 192 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:53,439 Speaker 1: We're gonna have no part of this. You're not welcome 193 00:12:53,559 --> 00:12:56,880 Speaker 1: in our society because we do not have grace and 194 00:12:56,960 --> 00:13:00,280 Speaker 1: we should not have grace for people who abuse childre 195 00:13:00,679 --> 00:13:05,920 Speaker 1: This is why the whole idea of apologies. You apologize 196 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:09,360 Speaker 1: when you mean it, when you mean it, but the 197 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:15,760 Speaker 1: accepting of apologies, ooh, the very concepts of forgiveness. There 198 00:13:15,800 --> 00:13:18,439 Speaker 1: are some things that I do believe you do not forgive. 199 00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:22,480 Speaker 1: If Erica Kirk, the widow of Charlie Kirk, wants to 200 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:26,520 Speaker 1: forgive her husband's assassin, that is up to her. It's 201 00:13:26,559 --> 00:13:30,280 Speaker 1: her apology to accept, it is her forgiveness to give. 202 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:36,360 Speaker 1: It's not mine. My position on it is absolutely inconsequential. 203 00:13:37,679 --> 00:13:39,720 Speaker 1: But even if I am not the child who has 204 00:13:39,760 --> 00:13:44,480 Speaker 1: been abused, don't ask me to find forgiveness for these people. 205 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:49,000 Speaker 1: It's not coming. I don't have to show child abusers grace. 206 00:13:50,160 --> 00:13:53,400 Speaker 1: Maybe I'm wrong in your view, but there is no 207 00:13:53,559 --> 00:13:57,160 Speaker 1: question that Abigail Spamberger is wrong in her view. And 208 00:13:57,200 --> 00:14:00,560 Speaker 1: I hope Winsome Earl Sears is the next governor Virginia. 209 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:02,280 Speaker 1: This is Tony Kats today.