1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:03,520 Speaker 1: Unfinished, and I understand we're going to have for some 2 00:00:03,560 --> 00:00:08,440 Speaker 1: of our sister stations, they're still working on their studios. 3 00:00:08,480 --> 00:00:10,639 Speaker 1: They haven't even used them yet, so we're kind of 4 00:00:11,119 --> 00:00:15,440 Speaker 1: sharing a lot of the studios as between Hank and 5 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:19,600 Speaker 1: WTLC and a number of the other stations and WIBC. 6 00:00:19,800 --> 00:00:22,920 Speaker 1: But you know what, we're working through it. And thanks 7 00:00:22,920 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 1: to you, the listeners for being patient throughout this. I've listened. 8 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:31,400 Speaker 1: You know, I was a WIBC junkie even what over 9 00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:35,000 Speaker 1: ten years ago before I had a show on WIBC. 10 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:38,240 Speaker 1: I've had my show now for ten and a half years, 11 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:41,839 Speaker 1: and so I listened to WIBC all the time. If 12 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:44,960 Speaker 1: I'm in my car for the most part, there may 13 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:48,680 Speaker 1: be an hour or two here and there that I 14 00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:51,519 Speaker 1: decided to listen to something else. But I'll tell you what, 15 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:55,200 Speaker 1: everybody's been very patient and they've worked through the issues, 16 00:00:55,440 --> 00:00:58,200 Speaker 1: and I'm sure we'll be able to do exactly the 17 00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:02,680 Speaker 1: same here and we're glad you're with us. We're broadcasting 18 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:06,199 Speaker 1: live on YouTube if you want to catch the video 19 00:01:06,280 --> 00:01:08,399 Speaker 1: of the show that we're actually set up much better 20 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:12,399 Speaker 1: in the new studio, and again, the studio itself is 21 00:01:12,440 --> 00:01:16,160 Speaker 1: absolutely new new equipment, new cameras, new computers, new monitors, 22 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:19,800 Speaker 1: new microphones, everything, and which is kind of cool. But 23 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:23,840 Speaker 1: it's set up actually much better for YouTube and for 24 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:27,200 Speaker 1: video in general than the old studio. It was kind 25 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:32,119 Speaker 1: of catches catch can and with a little camera set 26 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:34,080 Speaker 1: up on about a two inch stand that people moved 27 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:36,280 Speaker 1: around all the desks and stuff. And this is a 28 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:38,520 Speaker 1: little more professional in the new studio. See, if you 29 00:01:38,520 --> 00:01:41,280 Speaker 1: have any desire to catch video, you can do that 30 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:44,480 Speaker 1: as well. Go to YouTube to search for ninety three WIBC. 31 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:47,640 Speaker 1: You do that and that'll take you to the page 32 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:51,000 Speaker 1: and it'll show you what's currently broadcasting, which is the 33 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 1: Gun Guy Show. And so you're welcome to do that. 34 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:57,240 Speaker 1: Participate in the chat feature. There's not a lot of 35 00:01:57,240 --> 00:01:59,920 Speaker 1: people on there right now. I'm seeing I just logged 36 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 1: on myself, but we can go back and forth to 37 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:04,320 Speaker 1: the extent that I have time to do that. As 38 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:07,160 Speaker 1: we're live on the air, I can do that as well. 39 00:02:07,720 --> 00:02:12,919 Speaker 1: I'm having a little trouble logging onto social media. The 40 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:17,200 Speaker 1: new computers, the new system doesn't seem to recognize me 41 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:22,240 Speaker 1: or my logins and whatnot on social media. But I've 42 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:24,200 Speaker 1: got my phone sitting here, so we'll figure that out too. 43 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 1: But at any rate, notwithstanding all the technological potential glitches, 44 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:30,480 Speaker 1: welcome to the Gunk Guys Show. I'll tell you it. 45 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:34,320 Speaker 1: I had a really interesting and fun day to start 46 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:38,880 Speaker 1: this week, and I got invited out to the US 47 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:45,040 Speaker 1: Concealed Carry Association headquarters. And it's in West Bend, Wisconsin, 48 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:49,800 Speaker 1: not too far outside Milwaukee, and West Bend is just 49 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:51,800 Speaker 1: a cool little town. It kind of reminds you of 50 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:55,440 Speaker 1: like a I don't know, like a ski village or something. 51 00:02:56,080 --> 00:02:58,560 Speaker 1: I was there. It was cold, it was like below zero, 52 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:01,400 Speaker 1: as it was in Indie when I left here. But 53 00:03:01,480 --> 00:03:04,640 Speaker 1: it's just a it's a gorgeous little town. And then 54 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 1: you've got the US Concealed Carry Association USCCA that's headquartered there, 55 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:11,280 Speaker 1: and I got to go in. I got to see 56 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:14,200 Speaker 1: the building and meet a lot of their leadership. And 57 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:17,840 Speaker 1: if you don't know about USCCA and listen, full disclosure. 58 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:22,720 Speaker 1: They don't pay me anything except that they do offer 59 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:26,760 Speaker 1: carry insurance. I've had carry insurance for which I pay them, 60 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 1: and have for a number of years since twenty twelve. 61 00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:32,359 Speaker 1: I think, because I've talked about here before, what's carry 62 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:35,720 Speaker 1: insurance that's where if I use my gun in self 63 00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:42,920 Speaker 1: defense and I'm nonetheless prosecuted or sued in a civil case, 64 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:48,360 Speaker 1: that is insurance that will, depending on the circumstances, potentially 65 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:52,640 Speaker 1: reimburse me, indemnify me, protect me against any civil liability, 66 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:55,800 Speaker 1: and pay my cost to defense in the meantime, including 67 00:03:55,800 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 1: for criminal cases. And I've had a number of cases 68 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:02,680 Speaker 1: over the years. I have multiple cases right now pending 69 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:07,520 Speaker 1: where USCCA is paying the bills. So I do definitely 70 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 1: receive money from USCCA through their attached insurance program that 71 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:19,719 Speaker 1: ensures people who carry guns or use guns in self 72 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:24,360 Speaker 1: defense and then either get prosecuted or sued. But again, 73 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:27,120 Speaker 1: long before I ever had one of those cases, I 74 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 1: was paying u seca insurance. So I will absolutely disclose 75 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:33,719 Speaker 1: that relationship. You can take that for what it's worth. 76 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:36,839 Speaker 1: Other than that, I went out there and this was 77 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:40,039 Speaker 1: absolutely unpaid. Then they paid for my travel. But I 78 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 1: went out there to record an episode of what they 79 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:47,640 Speaker 1: call their Attorney Insider series. And you have to be 80 00:04:47,680 --> 00:04:52,200 Speaker 1: a USCCA member to see and hear this series because 81 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:54,279 Speaker 1: it's on the USCCA website. But what they do is 82 00:04:54,279 --> 00:04:57,760 Speaker 1: they bring in attorneys from around the country who are 83 00:04:57,800 --> 00:05:02,640 Speaker 1: focused on self defense issues, or who are involved politically 84 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:08,400 Speaker 1: in Second Amendment issues as going on either local legislatures 85 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:12,160 Speaker 1: or in Congress or both, and sort of have their 86 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:15,039 Speaker 1: finger on the pulse of what's going on legislatively and 87 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:18,720 Speaker 1: politically around the Second Amendment. And they've just gotten going 88 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:21,720 Speaker 1: on this. I think I saw three other episodes that 89 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:23,800 Speaker 1: they've posted. But they invited me to come in. That's 90 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 1: kind of cool because you know, it's broadcast on a 91 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:32,320 Speaker 1: national basis to u SECA members, and they were interested 92 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:33,560 Speaker 1: in what I had to say, and so I went 93 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:37,560 Speaker 1: in and I did an hour and a half interview there 94 00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:39,720 Speaker 1: at the USCCA headquarters. And by the way, it's a 95 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:43,880 Speaker 1: neat place. It is a very cool place. It's got 96 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:46,480 Speaker 1: a big open environment. It's in a beautiful location, like 97 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:49,800 Speaker 1: I said, there in West Bend, Wisconsin. But the building 98 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:53,800 Speaker 1: itself is fantastic and it's very open. It's very communicative, 99 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:58,080 Speaker 1: and a lot of interesting signage, all supportive of the 100 00:05:58,080 --> 00:06:01,040 Speaker 1: Second Amendment, supportive of the right not only to keep 101 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:03,960 Speaker 1: in bare arms, but to defend yourself and your family 102 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:06,760 Speaker 1: and your home, which is what I've been all about 103 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:09,720 Speaker 1: for a very very long time. And so I kind 104 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:13,640 Speaker 1: of felt like I was there, kind of home a 105 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:17,560 Speaker 1: little bit in a environment that was so focused on 106 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:21,640 Speaker 1: the ability to defend yourself and the right to keep 107 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:25,240 Speaker 1: in bare arms is protected by the Second Amendment, And 108 00:06:25,279 --> 00:06:27,919 Speaker 1: so that was a feel good exercise. And then I 109 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:31,120 Speaker 1: went through this hour and a half interview for their 110 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:36,160 Speaker 1: Attorney Insider series and the host of that series, the 111 00:06:36,279 --> 00:06:41,880 Speaker 1: interviewer is a guy named Rob Chatwick, and listen, I 112 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:46,120 Speaker 1: had breakfast with him that morning Monday morning before we 113 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:51,480 Speaker 1: videotape that interview. We had about a two hour breakfast 114 00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:54,040 Speaker 1: and I got to tell you, you know how every now 115 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:56,919 Speaker 1: and then you just click with somebody. You're on the 116 00:06:56,960 --> 00:07:00,400 Speaker 1: same wavelength. You see things the same way. Yeah, common 117 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:07,080 Speaker 1: interests and common priorities and common outlook. And that was 118 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:09,720 Speaker 1: me and Rob Chatwick. And I was honored to even 119 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:12,960 Speaker 1: talk to the guy because who this guy is. He 120 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:15,640 Speaker 1: is a former supervisor for FBI, So he's been an 121 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 1: FBI agent and supervised other FBI agents, but he also 122 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:27,880 Speaker 1: has been a sniper for the FBI. He's been an instructor, 123 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:33,000 Speaker 1: He's trained other FBI agents, including members of their Hostage 124 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:37,760 Speaker 1: Rescue Team HST Hostage Rescue at FBI is one of 125 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:41,640 Speaker 1: the most elite, not only hostage rescue but counter terrorism 126 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:45,240 Speaker 1: teams in the world, and this guy, Rob Chatwick is 127 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:48,800 Speaker 1: a trainer for them and has been, or was, I 128 00:07:48,880 --> 00:07:52,400 Speaker 1: should say, because upon retiring from the FBI, he then 129 00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:55,840 Speaker 1: moved over to USCCA, the US Concealed Cary Association, and 130 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:59,480 Speaker 1: he's now their director of Education and training, and that's 131 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:01,520 Speaker 1: something else that the u SECA does. Now I've not 132 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:04,600 Speaker 1: gone through in the USCCA training. I've not been certified 133 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:07,880 Speaker 1: by USCCA as one of their instructors, so I haven't 134 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:11,720 Speaker 1: had any role or participation on that into things. But 135 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 1: he's their director of training and education at USCCA, and 136 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:18,480 Speaker 1: he's then the guy with that background who interviewed me 137 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:19,840 Speaker 1: again for an hour and a half and it was 138 00:08:19,880 --> 00:08:22,360 Speaker 1: a lot of fun, and the hour and a half 139 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:25,240 Speaker 1: went by like it was thirty seconds because we were 140 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:28,000 Speaker 1: talking about what's going on politically. We talked about national reciprocy, 141 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:29,240 Speaker 1: We talked about a lot of the things that I 142 00:08:29,240 --> 00:08:32,080 Speaker 1: talked about right here on the Gun Guy Show. But 143 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:33,960 Speaker 1: I was almost disappointed when it was over, and it 144 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:35,960 Speaker 1: just felt like we had a lot more to talk about, 145 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:39,840 Speaker 1: including how important it is for US to preserve the 146 00:08:39,920 --> 00:08:43,079 Speaker 1: ability for law abiding America, and it's a lot abiding 147 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:47,680 Speaker 1: US citizens to defend ourselves and our families and our homes. 148 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:50,360 Speaker 1: But anyway, that's that's how I spent Monday. It was 149 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:54,079 Speaker 1: a cool experience. I hadn't actually flown in a while. 150 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:57,040 Speaker 1: You know, my practice is so focused on Indiana and 151 00:08:57,120 --> 00:09:01,600 Speaker 1: my law practice, and I haven't taking a vacation. Well, 152 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:03,200 Speaker 1: last couple of times i've flown have been to go 153 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:05,720 Speaker 1: out to Polden, Arizona to take training at gun site, 154 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:10,000 Speaker 1: but even that's been a couple of years, and so 155 00:09:10,679 --> 00:09:13,600 Speaker 1: the travel wasn't necessarily my favorite experience in the world. 156 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:15,959 Speaker 1: But being out there at USCCA was cool. It was awesome. 157 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:19,160 Speaker 1: If you have any questions about USCCA, you want to 158 00:09:19,160 --> 00:09:23,080 Speaker 1: know more about that. Again, there's a relationship there. They 159 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:25,240 Speaker 1: did send me some swag. By the way, my trip 160 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:29,560 Speaker 1: was unpaid except for they paid for my travel. But 161 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:32,400 Speaker 1: I did get a pretty cool box of swag when 162 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 1: I got home, including a range bag and a couple 163 00:09:34,400 --> 00:09:36,280 Speaker 1: of T shirts. Fact wearing one of the T shirts 164 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:40,480 Speaker 1: as we as we speak. But I do defend cases 165 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:44,199 Speaker 1: that are paid for by USCCA Insurance. We're my clients 166 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:48,360 Speaker 1: having their attorneys fees paid by USCCA, which is why 167 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:51,439 Speaker 1: those people bought that insurance to begin with. So, as 168 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:54,640 Speaker 1: I say, I always want to disclose those kind of 169 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:57,600 Speaker 1: financial relationships. So take that for what it's worth. But 170 00:09:57,679 --> 00:09:59,200 Speaker 1: if you want to know more about that, whether the 171 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 1: phone lines are on on, producer Gavin's telling me that's working. 172 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:05,719 Speaker 1: I don't necessarily see your name and what you want 173 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:07,880 Speaker 1: to talk about come up the same way it used 174 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:09,840 Speaker 1: to in the old studio. But we're working on that, 175 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:12,480 Speaker 1: getting that fixed. And Gavin and I have figured out 176 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:15,920 Speaker 1: a series of smoke signals and hand signals and uh, 177 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:17,559 Speaker 1: one of us is going to stand on their head 178 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:21,839 Speaker 1: and and communicate through foot signals. We've got a whole 179 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:24,360 Speaker 1: system figured out where Gavin and I are going to 180 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:26,840 Speaker 1: get it worked out. If you want to call and 181 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:30,840 Speaker 1: participate in the show. As I always say, we started 182 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:33,640 Speaker 1: as a call in show more than ten years ago, 183 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:36,920 Speaker 1: so we always wanted to take calls from our listeners. Uh, 184 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:39,680 Speaker 1: and uh, those folks who have been listening here to 185 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:41,320 Speaker 1: the Gun Guy Show here now for a long time. 186 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:44,000 Speaker 1: So give us a call. Two three nine ninety three 187 00:10:44,160 --> 00:10:45,760 Speaker 1: ninety three, Is that right? Gavin the phone number is 188 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:50,280 Speaker 1: still the same brother. Okay, all right, So want to 189 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:52,520 Speaker 1: make sure that was that was all accurate. So three 190 00:10:52,640 --> 00:10:55,280 Speaker 1: one seven two three nine ninety three ninety three three 191 00:10:55,360 --> 00:10:58,319 Speaker 1: one seven two three nine ninety three ninety three give 192 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:00,680 Speaker 1: us a call. Join the show with your quest comment 193 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:03,079 Speaker 1: where shift gears talk about some other things going on 194 00:11:03,559 --> 00:11:08,680 Speaker 1: both nationally and internationally in the Second Amendment and or 195 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:11,079 Speaker 1: self defense area. We'll get into all of that, plus 196 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:13,520 Speaker 1: hopefully take your calls if you want to participate when 197 00:11:13,559 --> 00:11:15,360 Speaker 1: we come back. Right now, we're taking a break. This 198 00:11:15,480 --> 00:11:17,600 Speaker 1: is Guy Ralford on the Gun Guy Show on ninety 199 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:23,080 Speaker 1: three WIBC. Guy Ralford for the law office of Guy Ralford. 200 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:25,120 Speaker 1: If you've lost your Second Amendment rights, or if this 201 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:27,600 Speaker 1: applies to a family member or friend of yours, let 202 00:11:27,679 --> 00:11:33,319 Speaker 1: us know at Ralfordlaw dot com. We take a lot 203 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:35,280 Speaker 1: of pleasure and something we do a lot is we 204 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:38,839 Speaker 1: file expungements for people to seal criminal convictions off their 205 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:42,439 Speaker 1: record and restore their gun rights or also other restoration 206 00:11:42,559 --> 00:11:46,679 Speaker 1: procedures depending on exactly how and when you may have 207 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:49,480 Speaker 1: suffered something that caused you to lose your Second Amendment rights, 208 00:11:50,040 --> 00:11:52,480 Speaker 1: contact us see if there's anything we can do for 209 00:11:52,559 --> 00:11:55,840 Speaker 1: you to restore your ability to possess a firearm lawfully 210 00:11:55,920 --> 00:11:59,600 Speaker 1: in the United States and right here in Indiana, including 211 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:01,640 Speaker 1: the ability to get a license to carry handgun or 212 00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:05,640 Speaker 1: to carry legally under constitutional carry. Those things all fit together. 213 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:08,760 Speaker 1: Just contact us through the website. Go to Ralford Law 214 00:12:08,960 --> 00:12:11,439 Speaker 1: dot com. The phone numbers right there, or you can 215 00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:14,880 Speaker 1: contact us by email right through the website. That's Ralford 216 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:29,880 Speaker 1: Law dot Com. 217 00:12:29,920 --> 00:12:32,600 Speaker 2: Second to none on this second and then this is 218 00:12:32,640 --> 00:12:36,719 Speaker 2: the Gun Guy with Guy Ralford on wy PC. 219 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:40,800 Speaker 1: And welcome back. This is Guy Ralford on The Gun 220 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:43,920 Speaker 1: Guy Show on ninety three w IBC broadcasting from the 221 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:49,240 Speaker 1: new w IBC Studios. Uh kind of cool. Producer Gavin 222 00:12:49,280 --> 00:12:52,240 Speaker 1: has it well under control. We we are. We are 223 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:54,920 Speaker 1: rocking pretty much just like normal. I have figured out 224 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:58,679 Speaker 1: how to now log onto Twitter or x here from 225 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:02,400 Speaker 1: the studio. Facebook is still eluding me to some degree, 226 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:08,480 Speaker 1: but I am Kevin. Just wanted to highlight the fact 227 00:13:08,520 --> 00:13:11,120 Speaker 1: that I was able to log into Twitter, so I 228 00:13:11,559 --> 00:13:19,200 Speaker 1: appreciate effect celebrating you. It's all good. Hey, this is 229 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:23,560 Speaker 1: going surprisingly smooth. As I was, like I was driving 230 00:13:23,640 --> 00:13:25,600 Speaker 1: down here. I was even talking to my wife on 231 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:28,120 Speaker 1: the phone, I'm like, you know, I've only walked by 232 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:29,959 Speaker 1: the studio one time, not really sure how this is 233 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:33,200 Speaker 1: going to go, but uh, but hey, the setup is good. 234 00:13:33,559 --> 00:13:36,720 Speaker 1: I've got a tech wizard as a producer today, so 235 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:40,120 Speaker 1: it's working out just fine. So a lot of gun 236 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:44,560 Speaker 1: control in the public debate. In fact, I was just 237 00:13:44,600 --> 00:13:47,679 Speaker 1: looking at some of that directed at me on Twitter 238 00:13:47,840 --> 00:13:52,040 Speaker 1: or x and uh, it's always interesting to me, you know, 239 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:59,280 Speaker 1: after any tragedy involving a shooting, and that certainly includes 240 00:13:59,320 --> 00:14:05,280 Speaker 1: the Brown University shooting and the horrible mass shooting as 241 00:14:05,320 --> 00:14:10,240 Speaker 1: well in Australia at Bondi Beach, all of a sudden, 242 00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:13,079 Speaker 1: a lot of people want to respond to those tragedies, obviously, 243 00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:16,400 Speaker 1: and it happens every time. It's as inevitable as the 244 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:19,000 Speaker 1: sun coming up in the east. People want to respond 245 00:14:19,040 --> 00:14:21,120 Speaker 1: to that by saying, ah, there you go. We need 246 00:14:21,160 --> 00:14:24,320 Speaker 1: more gun control, we need to take more guns away 247 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:27,760 Speaker 1: from law abiding gun owners. And you know, one of 248 00:14:27,800 --> 00:14:32,000 Speaker 1: the reasons I became active in the Second Amendment area 249 00:14:32,120 --> 00:14:35,040 Speaker 1: as an advocate for our rights to keep in bare 250 00:14:35,160 --> 00:14:39,240 Speaker 1: arms and to defend yourself, your home, and your family 251 00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:43,400 Speaker 1: is because of that idiotic knee jerk reaction that people 252 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:47,960 Speaker 1: have to these tragedies, and you know, there are a 253 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:52,280 Speaker 1: number of things that you know, they get posted, they 254 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:55,720 Speaker 1: get said, and they're just so completely nonsensical to me, 255 00:14:55,920 --> 00:14:57,880 Speaker 1: and it's amazing to me that they seem to have 256 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:01,560 Speaker 1: so much buy in. But of course there are many 257 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:03,840 Speaker 1: things in the progressive agenda that I feel exactly the 258 00:15:03,880 --> 00:15:07,080 Speaker 1: same way about. So I shouldn't be shocked that there 259 00:15:07,080 --> 00:15:09,960 Speaker 1: are things in the area of gun control or Second 260 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:16,040 Speaker 1: Amendment rights that that I don't want to say surprise me, 261 00:15:16,920 --> 00:15:22,800 Speaker 1: but that are just so on their face illogical, you know, irrational, nonsensical, 262 00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:25,320 Speaker 1: and people are still out there parroting these same views. 263 00:15:25,360 --> 00:15:31,240 Speaker 1: I mean, you had a mass shooting in Australia at 264 00:15:30,760 --> 00:15:36,720 Speaker 1: a gun free zone right there on the beach at 265 00:15:36,760 --> 00:15:39,680 Speaker 1: Bondi Beach in Australia was illegal to have a firearm there. 266 00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:44,080 Speaker 1: You've got Australia that's gone through a whole bunch of 267 00:15:44,080 --> 00:15:51,280 Speaker 1: gun control back in the mid nineties, after at least 268 00:15:51,320 --> 00:15:54,840 Speaker 1: in terms of fatalities, a somewhat worse mass shooting, they 269 00:15:54,880 --> 00:15:59,720 Speaker 1: decided to have mass confiscation and they had what they 270 00:15:59,760 --> 00:16:02,000 Speaker 1: called to buy back program. There By the way they 271 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:05,120 Speaker 1: were instituting a new buy back program after this most 272 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:09,280 Speaker 1: recent mass shooting. But they had a big buyback program, 273 00:16:09,320 --> 00:16:12,520 Speaker 1: which is government speak for confiscation. Yeah, we're gon We're 274 00:16:12,560 --> 00:16:16,440 Speaker 1: gonna take your firearm from you, and you may get 275 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:19,760 Speaker 1: a check for some fraction of its value in the process. 276 00:16:19,800 --> 00:16:21,720 Speaker 1: So that allows us to call it a buy back 277 00:16:21,760 --> 00:16:25,960 Speaker 1: as opposed to simply confiscation. But it's still confiscation, make 278 00:16:26,040 --> 00:16:29,320 Speaker 1: no mistake. And they had a perhaps took over a 279 00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:33,240 Speaker 1: million guns, and in a country with the size of Australia, 280 00:16:33,280 --> 00:16:37,280 Speaker 1: that was significant. And they also banned a whole series 281 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:43,240 Speaker 1: of of different kinds of firearms. They they enhanced that 282 00:16:43,360 --> 00:16:48,920 Speaker 1: and broadened their ban of firearms and registration requirements. After 283 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:52,560 Speaker 1: a shooting involving a bunch of people who were simply 284 00:16:52,560 --> 00:16:56,360 Speaker 1: worshiping at their chosen place of worship, one gunman here 285 00:16:56,360 --> 00:16:59,720 Speaker 1: a few years ago drove to two different mosques as 286 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:02,680 Speaker 1: I were call and killed a number of different people. 287 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:05,800 Speaker 1: And after that, Aha, there you go. We need to 288 00:17:05,840 --> 00:17:08,200 Speaker 1: ban more firearms. We need to limit the rights of 289 00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:12,159 Speaker 1: law abiding citizens to possess firearms. And for someone with 290 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:14,919 Speaker 1: a mindset that I have, not only is someone who 291 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:17,480 Speaker 1: carries a gun everywhere he can lawfully carry a gun, 292 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:21,679 Speaker 1: but who's trained literally tens of thousands of other people 293 00:17:21,760 --> 00:17:24,360 Speaker 1: to do the same. Because I've been a firearms instructure 294 00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:28,360 Speaker 1: for a lot of years, well over thirty years, it's 295 00:17:28,359 --> 00:17:32,360 Speaker 1: amazing to me that it's logical in some people's minds, 296 00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:40,280 Speaker 1: and they're certainly enthusiastic about these proposals, and not only proposals, 297 00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:45,639 Speaker 1: but executing on these plans that after you have a 298 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:49,560 Speaker 1: shooting where people were able to in the video I've seen, 299 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:51,720 Speaker 1: and I've not seen details on this, it looks to 300 00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:54,440 Speaker 1: me like there were primarily bolt action rifles being used, 301 00:17:56,960 --> 00:18:01,200 Speaker 1: and and they're not. That's not the most rapid firefirearm 302 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:05,120 Speaker 1: that you're ever going to use for any purpose which 303 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:08,680 Speaker 1: might want to use a gunful, Yet there were fifteen 304 00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:13,000 Speaker 1: people murdered in a multitude of people injured because these 305 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:19,200 Speaker 1: people were able to take their time and walk along 306 00:18:19,240 --> 00:18:21,320 Speaker 1: the beach, stand on a bridge. Is the video that 307 00:18:21,359 --> 00:18:24,320 Speaker 1: I've seen over and over for a substantial period of time, 308 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:29,440 Speaker 1: and pretty much at their leisure, just be picking people off, 309 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:37,560 Speaker 1: just be senselessly and brutally murdering people. And no one 310 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:41,720 Speaker 1: there was armed and equipped in terms of the citizenry 311 00:18:43,400 --> 00:18:48,480 Speaker 1: to defend themselves and defend their fellow citizens. And this 312 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:51,480 Speaker 1: was a celebration of Hanukkah event, and obviously it was 313 00:18:51,520 --> 00:19:00,560 Speaker 1: an anti Israel, anti Zionist action of the people were 314 00:19:00,560 --> 00:19:03,720 Speaker 1: taking to murder as many as many people celebrating Hanukah 315 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:08,240 Speaker 1: as they possibly could. And the image I already have 316 00:19:09,080 --> 00:19:11,639 Speaker 1: I always have in a mass shooting like this, what 317 00:19:11,800 --> 00:19:15,040 Speaker 1: I immediately go to is how horrifying that must be. 318 00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:19,879 Speaker 1: Not only to have someone shooting at you and killing 319 00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:24,360 Speaker 1: people around you and trying to kill you and your 320 00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:27,520 Speaker 1: family as you're simply trying to celebrate, in this case 321 00:19:27,760 --> 00:19:34,119 Speaker 1: in a religious event, but to be completely powerless, completely unable, 322 00:19:34,119 --> 00:19:38,520 Speaker 1: to completely ill equipped, completely empty handed in terms of 323 00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:41,800 Speaker 1: your ability to defend yourself and your family. And I 324 00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:46,040 Speaker 1: can't imagine the frustration and the horror that people would 325 00:19:46,119 --> 00:19:51,359 Speaker 1: feel having been stripped of their ability to defend themselves, 326 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:57,760 Speaker 1: and to literally be in a shooting gallery we're multiple 327 00:19:57,800 --> 00:20:00,639 Speaker 1: gunmen in this case, or doesn't matter, or even a 328 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:06,879 Speaker 1: single gunman, or just picking people off. I can't imagine that. 329 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:10,320 Speaker 1: I can't imagine a government that wants to put you 330 00:20:10,359 --> 00:20:17,640 Speaker 1: in that position. And I can't imagine a government deciding 331 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:21,840 Speaker 1: that their response to that kind of an event is 332 00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:24,720 Speaker 1: to take more guns away from more law abiding citizens. 333 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:30,159 Speaker 1: How does that make sense? How does that make sense? 334 00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:35,280 Speaker 1: There's this naive belief among the gun control movement, and 335 00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:40,679 Speaker 1: we've seen it for years and it never dissipates, it 336 00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:44,919 Speaker 1: never goes away. Is that they believe through passing laws 337 00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:48,640 Speaker 1: or even having programs like quote unquote gun buybacks, it's 338 00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:53,360 Speaker 1: almost like they're inching towards this objective that they have 339 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:57,080 Speaker 1: of the ability to push a button and have guns disappear, 340 00:20:57,400 --> 00:21:01,479 Speaker 1: in particular, have guns disappear at the hands of bad guys. 341 00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:04,919 Speaker 1: And listen, we're a little past the bottom of the 342 00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:07,840 Speaker 1: hour and need to take a break. Well, I'm going 343 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:12,520 Speaker 1: to approach the discussion exactly from that mindset, that view, 344 00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:17,919 Speaker 1: that worldview that clearly people have. The gun control people, 345 00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:21,760 Speaker 1: absolutely you can tell through the policies that they espouse 346 00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:24,639 Speaker 1: and advocate for and the laws that they want to 347 00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:28,400 Speaker 1: see past, they think there's a magic button out there 348 00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:33,119 Speaker 1: that's achieved through legislation where guns simply disappear out of 349 00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:37,879 Speaker 1: the hands of bad guys. Do they really believe that 350 00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:44,439 Speaker 1: is the objective? Really? To disarm law abiding citizens and 351 00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:48,560 Speaker 1: maybe on the off chance here or there they can 352 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:51,200 Speaker 1: have some influence on actual crime. When all you're doing 353 00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:53,719 Speaker 1: is taking guns away from people who are willing to 354 00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:57,400 Speaker 1: give up their guns because they're law abiding citizens. Are 355 00:21:57,400 --> 00:21:59,879 Speaker 1: those the people you need to be worried about disarming? 356 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:02,560 Speaker 1: Of course that makes no sense, but I'm getting into 357 00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:05,200 Speaker 1: more detail on that. And if you care to call 358 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:07,400 Speaker 1: in and participate in the discussion, we'll go to the phone. 359 00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:09,920 Speaker 1: We'll test out the phone lines here in the new studio. 360 00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:12,280 Speaker 1: Give us a call three one seven two three nine, 361 00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:15,600 Speaker 1: ninety three ninety three. Right now, we're taking a break. 362 00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:17,399 Speaker 1: This is Guy Ralford on The Gun Guy Show on 363 00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:30,439 Speaker 1: ninety three WIBC, the. 364 00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:34,840 Speaker 2: Show about gun rights, gun safety, a responsible gun ownership. 365 00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:38,200 Speaker 2: This is the Gun Guy with Guy Ralford on ninety 366 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:39,520 Speaker 2: three WYPC. 367 00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:44,800 Speaker 1: And welcome back on Guy Ralford on The Gun Guy 368 00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:49,200 Speaker 1: Show on ninety three WIBC, broadcasting from a brand new 369 00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:54,320 Speaker 1: studio here at Radio one. Uh, we're not on the 370 00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:57,320 Speaker 1: circle anymore. As something that I gotta tell you, I'm 371 00:22:57,320 --> 00:23:00,000 Speaker 1: gonna miss a little bit. Even though downtown Indian now 372 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:05,080 Speaker 1: it is certainly different and worse than it used to be. 373 00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:13,360 Speaker 1: And the homelessness and crime that we've seen in down 374 00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:16,680 Speaker 1: downtown to Indy, certainly since the Hogs administration has been 375 00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:21,080 Speaker 1: in place, is something that's been disappointing. But I still 376 00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:24,400 Speaker 1: really enjoyed being down on the Circle, and so it's 377 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:27,600 Speaker 1: a little disappointing to me that we've moved away from that. 378 00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:32,119 Speaker 1: We're about ten blocks north of there now actually located 379 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:36,520 Speaker 1: on Saint Joseph Street, and the studio though itself, is 380 00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:38,360 Speaker 1: brand new and it's kind of fun. I'm getting used 381 00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:41,320 Speaker 1: to where the buttons are and how to work with 382 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:44,119 Speaker 1: computers and the phone lines and whatnot. But we'll figure 383 00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:47,280 Speaker 1: all that out, and we certainly appreciate your patience as 384 00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:50,720 Speaker 1: we kind of work through some growing pains here having 385 00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:57,360 Speaker 1: moved locations. But I was talking about the political reaction 386 00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:02,560 Speaker 1: to not only the Brown Universe City shooting again where 387 00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:07,080 Speaker 1: innocent people lost their lives, and that also appears to 388 00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:14,840 Speaker 1: be politically motivated. It certainly appears perhaps to be anti 389 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:18,399 Speaker 1: conservative at Brown University, and I think there will be 390 00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:22,200 Speaker 1: more facts come out or not, you know, when particularly 391 00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:27,400 Speaker 1: shooting doesn't quite meet the protocol, doesn't match the agenda 392 00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:32,920 Speaker 1: of what the media always wants to say about Second 393 00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:38,480 Speaker 1: Amendment issues, or about gun control or criminality in general. 394 00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:42,840 Speaker 1: When it doesn't match the narrative, then all of a sudden, 395 00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:47,680 Speaker 1: those mass shootings just seem to simply disappear out of 396 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:51,520 Speaker 1: the mindset and the coverage of the media, certainly the 397 00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:55,080 Speaker 1: national media. And I'm having a feeling that's exactly what's 398 00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:59,320 Speaker 1: going to go on with Brown University. And again, I 399 00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:01,840 Speaker 1: don't like to talk about things and speculate on things 400 00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:07,879 Speaker 1: and cast dispersions and draw conclusions before facts are confirmed, 401 00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:11,520 Speaker 1: before we actually know what we're talking about. People that 402 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:14,840 Speaker 1: do that and people start drawing conclusions and making arguments. 403 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:19,480 Speaker 1: I'm always angry about that that people are are expressing 404 00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:26,600 Speaker 1: opinions based on unestablished and oftentimes disputed facts, and I 405 00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:28,159 Speaker 1: don't have any time for that. I won't be one 406 00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:31,840 Speaker 1: of those people. But the more that we learn, assuming 407 00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:36,520 Speaker 1: we do learn more about the Brown University shooting, the 408 00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:42,919 Speaker 1: more I think you'll see that it's another situation where 409 00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:49,080 Speaker 1: people who are unable to defend themselves because they're in 410 00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:55,560 Speaker 1: a quote unquote gun free zone, because they're understandably concerned 411 00:25:55,560 --> 00:26:00,560 Speaker 1: about being fired from a university or belled as a 412 00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:05,520 Speaker 1: student from a university or otherwise breaking the law in 413 00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:08,600 Speaker 1: the state or the locality where they live or work 414 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:12,760 Speaker 1: or study, that they're stripped to their Second Amendment rights, 415 00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:15,640 Speaker 1: which allows what people that don't care about the law, 416 00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:21,120 Speaker 1: and people don't care that don't care about a year 417 00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:23,840 Speaker 1: or two in jail or being fired or being expelled 418 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:30,040 Speaker 1: as law abiding students and faculty and employees have to care. 419 00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:34,679 Speaker 1: Then the innocent people, the law abiding people are simply 420 00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:39,840 Speaker 1: left defenseless. And I come back to the same point 421 00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:43,600 Speaker 1: that I just made with respect to Australia, that I 422 00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:47,040 Speaker 1: just refuse because I'm horrified by that feeling. What that 423 00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:54,000 Speaker 1: must feel like to be defenseless, to have empty hands 424 00:26:56,640 --> 00:27:02,440 Speaker 1: when a criminal is attempting to murder you, and and 425 00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:04,440 Speaker 1: and the and the and that not only the horror 426 00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:08,080 Speaker 1: that that must create, but the anger I think that 427 00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:10,280 Speaker 1: I would immediately feel by saying I shouldn't be in 428 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:13,960 Speaker 1: this position. Why did the government do this to me? 429 00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:16,840 Speaker 1: Why did they put me in this position where I'm 430 00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:20,119 Speaker 1: completely incapable of defending myself. Bad guys don't care about 431 00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:25,520 Speaker 1: carrying a gun onto the campus of Brown University. Bad 432 00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:30,879 Speaker 1: guys could care less if your if your plan is 433 00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:33,120 Speaker 1: to murder as many people as possible, and then eat 434 00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:37,240 Speaker 1: a bullet or die in a shootout with police. Way 435 00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:39,440 Speaker 1: on God's earth would you care about any law that's 436 00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:43,439 Speaker 1: in place attempting to prevent you with some threat of 437 00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:46,359 Speaker 1: a year or two in jail. Your plan is to 438 00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:54,600 Speaker 1: die after inflicting as many injuries and inflicting as many casualties, 439 00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:58,560 Speaker 1: killing as many people as possible. Your plan is to die. 440 00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:01,120 Speaker 1: What law is going to enhit bit you from doing that? 441 00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:06,800 Speaker 1: It makes no sense, It never has. But the law 442 00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:12,480 Speaker 1: abiding complying with the laws are then left defensles. And 443 00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:14,359 Speaker 1: you know what, there are a lot of people out there, 444 00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:17,119 Speaker 1: and listen, everybody needs to make their own decisions. And 445 00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:24,280 Speaker 1: I'm not advocating for anyone because your life, it's your job, 446 00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:29,360 Speaker 1: or it's your education, it's your career, and everybody needs 447 00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:31,680 Speaker 1: to make their decisions. But awful lot of people have said, 448 00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:39,360 Speaker 1: you know what, I'll prioritize in a way that leads 449 00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:43,080 Speaker 1: me to the conclusion, but I will arm myself. I 450 00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:47,040 Speaker 1: will have the capacity to defend my life the people 451 00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:52,040 Speaker 1: around me, whether that's on college campus, whether that's on 452 00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:55,080 Speaker 1: a beach. That's a quote unquote gun free zone. Whether 453 00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:59,280 Speaker 1: that's in a mall with a big old gun free 454 00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:05,280 Speaker 1: zone signed posted no guns allowed. And I'm not advocating 455 00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:07,480 Speaker 1: everybody needs to make their own decisions and you need 456 00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:11,000 Speaker 1: to fully understand the ramifications for whatever decision you make. 457 00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:14,960 Speaker 1: But a lot of people are understandably saying, to help 458 00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:17,320 Speaker 1: with that law, to help with that policy, to help 459 00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:23,280 Speaker 1: with the preferences of those who, by the way themselves 460 00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:27,000 Speaker 1: are defended, to help with the politicians who tell me 461 00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:30,880 Speaker 1: where they think I should be allowed to defend myself 462 00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:34,480 Speaker 1: or not they're walking around with twenty four to seven security. 463 00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:36,240 Speaker 1: To help with that. I'm going to make my own 464 00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:40,040 Speaker 1: decisions based on my own priorities. A lot of people 465 00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:43,240 Speaker 1: are feeling exactly that way. And I'll tell you what. 466 00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:44,920 Speaker 1: We're a little past three quarter holes. Take a break, 467 00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:46,720 Speaker 1: we'll come back. We'll wrap up our number one of 468 00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:50,360 Speaker 1: the Gun Guys Show on ninety three WYBC Guy relpand 469 00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:53,160 Speaker 1: for tactical firearms training. You know you haven't heard me 470 00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:56,720 Speaker 1: talk about our Essentials of Indiana gunlog Class here for 471 00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:59,800 Speaker 1: a little while, but we've got a new one scheduled. 472 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:01,800 Speaker 1: In fact, I'll be putting it on the website just 473 00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:03,680 Speaker 1: as soon as I leave the studio tonight. 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I'll tell you I've got a short 493 00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:15,880 Speaker 1: segment here at the top of the hour, but I 494 00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:19,640 Speaker 1: really want to reinforce what I just talked about, which 495 00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:21,680 Speaker 1: is that a lot of us have to make our 496 00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:23,959 Speaker 1: own decision. Now, listen, last thing you're going to hear 497 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:27,680 Speaker 1: from me, especially as a lawyer who defends people who 498 00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:33,040 Speaker 1: get accused of violating Indiana or federal gun laws right 499 00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:37,040 Speaker 1: here in Indiana. Last thing I'm gonna do is tell 500 00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:38,320 Speaker 1: you go out and break the law. So I hope 501 00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:40,400 Speaker 1: you didn't take my last segment of saying that I'm 502 00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:43,640 Speaker 1: saying that we each have to set our own priorities. 503 00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:49,360 Speaker 1: And listen. I've had I've had people call my office 504 00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:53,080 Speaker 1: and tell me stories that we're completely heartbreaking. A kid 505 00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:56,440 Speaker 1: talk about universities. A kid called me a couple of 506 00:31:56,480 --> 00:32:00,720 Speaker 1: years ago and said that he'd had his car stolen 507 00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:04,760 Speaker 1: out of a garage at what was then called IUPU 508 00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:08,960 Speaker 1: Y the campus here downtown Indy. Had his car stolen 509 00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:11,360 Speaker 1: out of the garage, reported it to the campus police, 510 00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:14,680 Speaker 1: and because he's a good kid and a law abiding 511 00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:17,600 Speaker 1: kid and a concerned citizen, he said, by the way, 512 00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:19,400 Speaker 1: I will let you know. There was a glock nineteen 513 00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:23,600 Speaker 1: in the console, and he had the serial number recorded 514 00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:28,360 Speaker 1: and said, I wanted to let you know that this 515 00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:30,200 Speaker 1: gun is out there it's been stolen, it was in 516 00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:32,000 Speaker 1: the car that was stolen, and I want to make 517 00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:41,520 Speaker 1: sure that law enforcement knows that and what ramifications right, 518 00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:46,720 Speaker 1: what repercussion should necessarily happen to that kid as a 519 00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:50,520 Speaker 1: result of him making that report. Well, he called me 520 00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:54,719 Speaker 1: because he had just learned that the campus police had 521 00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:59,200 Speaker 1: reported that to the administration that he admitted to having 522 00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:01,640 Speaker 1: a gun in his car campus of IEPY, and he'd 523 00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:05,560 Speaker 1: been expelled from the university expelled. This kid was two 524 00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:08,840 Speaker 1: or three weeks away from graduation, had already been accepted 525 00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:16,680 Speaker 1: to grad school contingent on his graduation from IPY, completing 526 00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:19,480 Speaker 1: his undergraduate degree, and he was being thrown out short 527 00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:24,400 Speaker 1: of graduation. So listen, that's a big deal and a 528 00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:28,120 Speaker 1: huge ramification at the same time. That's the balancing we 529 00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:30,920 Speaker 1: all have to go through, deciding where and when we 530 00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:34,520 Speaker 1: choose to be able to have the capacity to defend ourselves. 531 00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:36,560 Speaker 1: That's it for our number one. We're wrapping this up. 532 00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:38,400 Speaker 1: We'll be right back. This says Guy Ralford on The 533 00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:40,760 Speaker 1: Gun Guy Show on ninety three WIBC. 534 00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:49,920 Speaker 2: A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of 535 00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:52,960 Speaker 2: a free state, the right of the people to keep 536 00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:56,920 Speaker 2: in bear arms shall not be infringed. This is the 537 00:33:56,960 --> 00:34:02,000 Speaker 2: Second Amendment, and this is the Gun Guy boom boom 538 00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:04,680 Speaker 2: boom boom bang. 539 00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:10,480 Speaker 1: Bang bang bang boom boom boom boom bang bang. 540 00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:16,080 Speaker 2: Bad Guy Ralford on ninety three WYBC, and. 541 00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:17,879 Speaker 1: Welcome back for hour number two of the Gun Guys 542 00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:22,160 Speaker 1: Show here on ninety three WIBC. Whether you're listening over 543 00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:25,200 Speaker 1: the air at ninety three point one, ninety three point 544 00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:29,800 Speaker 1: one here in Central Indiana, we're listening at WIBC dot com. 545 00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:34,160 Speaker 1: I understand the internet feed is rolling along just fine, 546 00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:38,440 Speaker 1: and you can also watch and participate in the chat 547 00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:41,600 Speaker 1: feature on YouTube. Just go to YouTube search for ninety 548 00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:46,120 Speaker 1: three WIBC and you'll see us rolling along there with 549 00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:51,000 Speaker 1: video from our brand news studios here on Saint Joseph Street, 550 00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:54,600 Speaker 1: near north side of Indianapolis. I got to mention I'm 551 00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:57,799 Speaker 1: misbeing on the circle just a little bit. It's fun 552 00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:00,640 Speaker 1: to walk around, whether I wanted to grabs need or 553 00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:03,239 Speaker 1: have a beer or a cigar afterward. It was kind 554 00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:05,360 Speaker 1: of nice just to be able to walk anywhere I 555 00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:10,120 Speaker 1: wanted to there just off the circle. But hey, there 556 00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:14,480 Speaker 1: are trade offs and everything that furnitures are furniture is nicer, 557 00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:17,600 Speaker 1: the computers are nicer, the microphones are nicer. That certainly 558 00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:21,680 Speaker 1: the setup for video is much nicer. Oh and I 559 00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:24,200 Speaker 1: can producer Gavin. The restrooms are a hell of a 560 00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:32,520 Speaker 1: lot nicer. There was a big improvement there. Gameron Nigel 561 00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:36,800 Speaker 1: used to complain about the restrooms there on the fourth 562 00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:39,640 Speaker 1: floor of the EMAS building all the time. It's kind 563 00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:42,160 Speaker 1: of funny. I walked in first time again, this first 564 00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:44,800 Speaker 1: time doing my show from here, hadn't been in a restroom, 565 00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:47,600 Speaker 1: walked in there, top of the air, and like, oh well, hell, 566 00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:51,640 Speaker 1: this is worth a move right here. This was a 567 00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:57,400 Speaker 1: lot better. So at any rate, here we are but participate, participate, 568 00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:04,600 Speaker 1: appreciate you listening and participating through whatever media you choose, 569 00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:08,160 Speaker 1: including YouTube or over the year or otherwise. So let's 570 00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:13,120 Speaker 1: shift gears a little bit and let's talk about I 571 00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:16,360 Speaker 1: think an interesting new study and listen, this all ties together, 572 00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:21,720 Speaker 1: it ties together perfectly. But we're talking about the ability 573 00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:29,120 Speaker 1: to be armed and to defend ourselves as citizens here 574 00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:33,560 Speaker 1: in the United States. And certainly we can look at 575 00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:36,280 Speaker 1: what's going on in Australia and whatnot, and what's happening 576 00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:41,560 Speaker 1: to those citizens and Listen, there is fundamentally a different mindset. 577 00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:45,279 Speaker 1: You know, I spent three months, continuous months in Australia 578 00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:49,399 Speaker 1: one time several years ago. I've spent time in the UK, 579 00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:57,440 Speaker 1: I've spent time in Canada, and there is a certain 580 00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:02,719 Speaker 1: passive mindset. And listen, you hate to generalize across an 581 00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:06,959 Speaker 1: entire population of a country, much less multiple countries, and 582 00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:10,399 Speaker 1: you certainly run into individuals who are exceptions to the rule, 583 00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:16,760 Speaker 1: no question, And it's it's intellectually lazy to generalize too broadly, 584 00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:19,439 Speaker 1: and I don't want to be guilty of that sin. 585 00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:22,200 Speaker 1: At the same time, what I did notice they were 586 00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:27,160 Speaker 1: a pervasive difference and attitude among Australians. And this is 587 00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:31,839 Speaker 1: true in the UK, and it's certainly true in Canada. 588 00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:35,440 Speaker 1: Is is these are These are folks who are in 589 00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:40,040 Speaker 1: a culture. And this has been true for hundreds of years, 590 00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:45,080 Speaker 1: certainly in the UK and obviously more recently in terms 591 00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:49,120 Speaker 1: of number of hundreds of years in Canada and Australia. 592 00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:56,160 Speaker 1: But there is a difference between being a subject and 593 00:37:56,239 --> 00:38:00,120 Speaker 1: being a citizen. And listen, I'm sure I'm gonna of 594 00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:04,360 Speaker 1: feded a whole lot of people, and and I'm simply 595 00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:07,360 Speaker 1: offering my observation. If you disagree, then you're welcome to 596 00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:12,799 Speaker 1: your own conclusions and opinions. But but there is this 597 00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:20,399 Speaker 1: idea of being a subject like a British subject, and 598 00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:28,200 Speaker 1: and where you you have some, you have some inferiority 599 00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:35,879 Speaker 1: to royalty, and and and it's a it's a it's 600 00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:40,560 Speaker 1: a culture that certainly involves more idea of of of 601 00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:51,680 Speaker 1: separation of of commoner from the elite. And am I generalizing, yeah, absolutely, 602 00:38:53,520 --> 00:39:01,840 Speaker 1: But but I noticed this this passive approach that allowed, 603 00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:05,800 Speaker 1: in my mind, the Australian people, and certainly the British 604 00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:10,040 Speaker 1: people and now more recently the Canadian people to be 605 00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:14,359 Speaker 1: stripped of their ability to defend themselves in an ever 606 00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:18,200 Speaker 1: growing way. How in the UK they're talking about they're 607 00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:24,880 Speaker 1: talking about knife bands, where they've largely lost their ability 608 00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:30,000 Speaker 1: to defend themselves with firearms, almost entirely in fact, that 609 00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:32,520 Speaker 1: there is no real law of self defense in the UK. 610 00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:35,640 Speaker 1: What the government wants you to do in the UK 611 00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:39,520 Speaker 1: is basically call the police and hope for the best. 612 00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:44,040 Speaker 1: And far too many people over there believe, well, somehow 613 00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:46,719 Speaker 1: that's for the best, their country will be better off, 614 00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:53,480 Speaker 1: and they need to just subject themselves to that in 615 00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:57,399 Speaker 1: the name of the greater good. In Australia, you see 616 00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:00,480 Speaker 1: very much the same attitude. And it's really to me 617 00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:04,799 Speaker 1: because you know, look at the origins of Australia. You 618 00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:08,960 Speaker 1: go back to where you know, it's a country of criminals, right, 619 00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:12,600 Speaker 1: he was a prison colony, and I think you had 620 00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:15,120 Speaker 1: a strong independent spirit there for a lot of years. 621 00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:20,120 Speaker 1: But then you have this same sort of willingness to 622 00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:23,840 Speaker 1: subject yourself to the will of the government. That just 623 00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:27,680 Speaker 1: doesn't exist in the United States for an awful lot 624 00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:31,480 Speaker 1: of the population now certainly does to some you saw 625 00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:35,160 Speaker 1: during COVID, How shocked were you that so many people 626 00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:39,800 Speaker 1: here in the US, given our culture, our culture of independence, 627 00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:44,880 Speaker 1: willingness to fight wars for independence, willingness to stand up 628 00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:48,840 Speaker 1: for individual liberty and rights, how many people were fully 629 00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:51,080 Speaker 1: willing to just say, Okay, government, you want me to 630 00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:54,200 Speaker 1: wear this diaper on my face for as long as 631 00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:56,520 Speaker 1: you tell me to. Sure, Okay, you may stay home, Okay, 632 00:40:56,600 --> 00:41:01,799 Speaker 1: you I mean not drive all right, Okay, you mean 633 00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:05,560 Speaker 1: to not work, not make a living, shut down my business, Well, okay, 634 00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:09,040 Speaker 1: if you tell me. But so many more of us 635 00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:13,279 Speaker 1: were just shocked by that and you saw. Still, even 636 00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:17,279 Speaker 1: though I was completely frankly surprised, if not shocked, at 637 00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:20,000 Speaker 1: the number of people who are so passive and compliant, 638 00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:23,400 Speaker 1: you still had others with what I consider to be 639 00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:27,200 Speaker 1: more of the American spirit and the spirit of independence 640 00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:31,520 Speaker 1: and a spirit of liberty and defiance, who said, oh, 641 00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:34,000 Speaker 1: hell no, I'm not buying any of this. This is 642 00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:36,600 Speaker 1: all wrong. I'm not going to do this just because 643 00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:39,839 Speaker 1: you're ordering me to do it. No, the answer is no. 644 00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:47,960 Speaker 1: The answer is hell no. And let's just focus on 645 00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:51,560 Speaker 1: that a little bit. Because I've made this commentary before, 646 00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:54,080 Speaker 1: not often. I don't think I've ever even gone into 647 00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:56,000 Speaker 1: this in the ten years I've done the Gun Guy Show. 648 00:41:57,280 --> 00:41:58,719 Speaker 1: And it just sort of came to me one time. 649 00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:01,600 Speaker 1: I was actually speaking at a a Lincoln Day dinner 650 00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:06,480 Speaker 1: several years ago, and I hadn't really planned it. It 651 00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:11,120 Speaker 1: was a kind of a spontaneous commentary on my part. 652 00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:22,640 Speaker 1: But the ability to say hell no to authoritarianism is 653 00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:27,560 Speaker 1: just part of the American spirit, and it pains me. 654 00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:29,560 Speaker 1: It hurts me. And I'm an old guy now. Hell 655 00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:33,160 Speaker 1: I'm sixty eight years old, and it's painful to me 656 00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:37,359 Speaker 1: to see the number of passive compliant people who don't 657 00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:39,720 Speaker 1: seem to have that spirit of liberty and independence anymore 658 00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:47,040 Speaker 1: in this country. But you know what I figured out long, long, long, 659 00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:53,880 Speaker 1: long ago, And these things come together in terms of 660 00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:58,080 Speaker 1: Second Amendment rights and even the decision, and it's a 661 00:42:58,120 --> 00:43:00,480 Speaker 1: big decision, and I don't think anyone should make it lightly, 662 00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:05,720 Speaker 1: But the decision to carry a firearm for personal defense, 663 00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:10,000 Speaker 1: defense of your family, defense of your your fellow innocent citizens. 664 00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:13,360 Speaker 1: A lot of it has to do with that same 665 00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:19,640 Speaker 1: basic concept of the ability to say, hell no, not me. 666 00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:26,759 Speaker 1: I choose differently. You may not subject my subject me 667 00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:31,000 Speaker 1: to your whim and your will and your domination. No, 668 00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:37,080 Speaker 1: not me, Hell no. It's the ability to say hell no. 669 00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:37,239 Speaker 3: Now. 670 00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:42,000 Speaker 1: A lot of this comes from the the founders and 671 00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:46,960 Speaker 1: read the Declaration of Independence, sometimes all of it, not 672 00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:52,920 Speaker 1: just the part everybody likes to focus on. You know, 673 00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:57,360 Speaker 1: we hold these truths to be self evident and and 674 00:43:57,360 --> 00:43:59,880 Speaker 1: and and and and the rights that they say are 675 00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:07,520 Speaker 1: coming or originating from nature and Nature's God. But go 676 00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:09,200 Speaker 1: beyond that and talk about it is the right of 677 00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:12,440 Speaker 1: the people when any form of government becomes destructive of 678 00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:16,759 Speaker 1: these ends. That is the goal of government, which to 679 00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:20,000 Speaker 1: preserve essential liberties, among these being life, liberty, and the 680 00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:23,120 Speaker 1: pursuit of happiness. But then it says, when any government 681 00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:25,239 Speaker 1: becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of 682 00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:28,440 Speaker 1: the people to alter or abolish that form of government 683 00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:35,840 Speaker 1: and establish new government in a form to them. And 684 00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:37,560 Speaker 1: I'm paraphrasing, I don't have it in front of me 685 00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:43,560 Speaker 1: that they believe to be most likely to protect their 686 00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:45,960 Speaker 1: liberty and happiness. But it is the right of the 687 00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:48,160 Speaker 1: people to alter or abolish that form. You know what 688 00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:50,799 Speaker 1: that is? That's the ability is say hell no, no, no, no, 689 00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:54,719 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, you become a tyrannical government. Hell no. But 690 00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:57,400 Speaker 1: it's even more practical than that. It's more day to 691 00:44:57,480 --> 00:45:02,000 Speaker 1: day than that. That is this ability to say hell no. 692 00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:08,120 Speaker 1: The ninety or one hundred pound woman who's walking down 693 00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:11,919 Speaker 1: the street at night and a rapist approaches her wants 694 00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:15,960 Speaker 1: to impose his will upon her, force her into an alley. 695 00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:20,480 Speaker 1: That woman carrying a firearm has the ability to do 696 00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:27,760 Speaker 1: what to say, hell no, not me, not tonight, wrong person. 697 00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:31,560 Speaker 1: I am not a victim. I am not subjecting myself 698 00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:35,000 Speaker 1: to your will and your women your domination. Hell no no. 699 00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:44,480 Speaker 1: The answer is no, not me. You're in your bed 700 00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:47,400 Speaker 1: at night and someone's trying to pick the lock on 701 00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:51,520 Speaker 1: your door or to kick your door in. It's a 702 00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:55,279 Speaker 1: home invasion. They're coming into your home. Their plan is 703 00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:58,279 Speaker 1: to murder the people there and to steal your belongings. 704 00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:00,600 Speaker 1: What is that shotgun next to the bed, or the 705 00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:04,560 Speaker 1: ar or the handgun, whatever it may be. What is 706 00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:08,200 Speaker 1: that There are more of them than there are of you. 707 00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:10,560 Speaker 1: But you have the ability to do what You have 708 00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:13,280 Speaker 1: the ability to say hell no, not me, not tonight, 709 00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:20,640 Speaker 1: wrong house? And I think about those people on Bondi Beach. 710 00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:25,359 Speaker 1: Are the people sitting in the classroom at Brown University. 711 00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:31,480 Speaker 1: You're at Bondi Beach. You're celebrating a Hanukkah celebration, festival, 712 00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:36,440 Speaker 1: religious ceremony. It's a time for worship and happiness and 713 00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:41,080 Speaker 1: family and love, and all of a sudden, some maniacs 714 00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:49,480 Speaker 1: start shooting you, killing you, killing the people around you. 715 00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:51,839 Speaker 1: What would what would what would you want more than 716 00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:55,000 Speaker 1: anything in that moment? You would want the ability to 717 00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:59,960 Speaker 1: say hell no, not me, not today. But they are 718 00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:03,160 Speaker 1: Tralian government has stripped that away from them in the 719 00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:06,759 Speaker 1: name of their safety. Oh no, sorry, you can't have 720 00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:14,759 Speaker 1: the means of defending yourself. When this lunatic, who apparently 721 00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:20,640 Speaker 1: is a Portuguese national, walked in that classroom at Brown University, 722 00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:26,240 Speaker 1: no one there had the capacity to say no, not today, 723 00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:29,520 Speaker 1: hell no, not me, not today, not my classroom, not 724 00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:32,719 Speaker 1: my teacher, not my fellow students. No. The answer is no. 725 00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:39,680 Speaker 1: That's the difference. That's the difference. That's what an armed 726 00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:43,279 Speaker 1: citizen has the capacity to do. It's not just about 727 00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:49,799 Speaker 1: gunpowder and lead and brass. It's about when people are 728 00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:52,279 Speaker 1: attempting to murder you, to's deprive you of your rights, 729 00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:56,080 Speaker 1: your liberty, your freedom, your life, your home, your family. 730 00:47:57,080 --> 00:48:02,319 Speaker 1: It's about having the ability to say hell no. And 731 00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:05,600 Speaker 1: then look at examples. Look at the examples of where 732 00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:10,200 Speaker 1: the right result obtained. Look at my friend and client, 733 00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:14,040 Speaker 1: Elijah Dickett in the Greenwood Park mall a go I 734 00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:16,359 Speaker 1: walked out of the restroom with an ar fifteen yes 735 00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:19,600 Speaker 1: and over one hundred rounds of ammunition, including three fully 736 00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:23,560 Speaker 1: loaded mags and a chest trist a chest rig, and 737 00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:27,200 Speaker 1: he walked into that food court and his intent was 738 00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:29,400 Speaker 1: to murder as many people as he possibly could, And 739 00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:31,640 Speaker 1: he had the capacity to murder a whole heck, of 740 00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:34,000 Speaker 1: a lot of them right there in the food court 741 00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:36,600 Speaker 1: in the Greenwood Park mall. And who knows how many 742 00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:40,600 Speaker 1: people he could have murdered, And tragically he killed three 743 00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:44,400 Speaker 1: innocent people, one poor gentleman who was just walking in 744 00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:48,839 Speaker 1: the restroom as the shooter. And I do not name 745 00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:54,239 Speaker 1: these people. They will achieve no notoriety through me. But 746 00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:56,680 Speaker 1: as he walked out of the restroom, the bad guy, 747 00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:00,680 Speaker 1: an innocent victim, was walking in and met the muzzle 748 00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:03,040 Speaker 1: of an AR fifteen, had no ability to defend himself, 749 00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:05,480 Speaker 1: simply got shot. That guy walks out into the mall 750 00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:07,760 Speaker 1: and shot at a couple who was just having dinner 751 00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:12,279 Speaker 1: there in the food court in Greenwood. But you know what, 752 00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:14,520 Speaker 1: there was one person there in that mall. He was 753 00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:16,880 Speaker 1: forty three yards away. He was all the way on 754 00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:19,200 Speaker 1: the other side of the mall. But Eli Dickon, you 755 00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:23,120 Speaker 1: know Eli dicken did He said, Hell no, not today, 756 00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:26,400 Speaker 1: not in the Greenwood Park mall, not where I and 757 00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:29,440 Speaker 1: my girlfriend are trying to have our own dinner. No. Now, 758 00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:32,239 Speaker 1: you're not going to murder my fellow citizens, not today. No, 759 00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:38,400 Speaker 1: hell no. And he stood up and he braced on 760 00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:40,879 Speaker 1: a trash can from forty three yards away, took four 761 00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:45,840 Speaker 1: shots and he hit the bad guy twice, then proceeded 762 00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:49,399 Speaker 1: to take six more shots, hit all six with those 763 00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:52,839 Speaker 1: bad guy dies. You know some people live, Eli Dicken said, 764 00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:58,800 Speaker 1: hell no. And who is it, whether it's the government 765 00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:02,000 Speaker 1: or a building own or a business owner, or whoever 766 00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:04,279 Speaker 1: it might be, who should have the ability to look 767 00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:06,719 Speaker 1: at you and say no, no, no. You don't have the 768 00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:11,080 Speaker 1: ability of the capacity. You don't have the right to 769 00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:13,160 Speaker 1: say hell no when someone wants to take your life. 770 00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:17,120 Speaker 1: You don't get the capacity to defend your life, your family, 771 00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:23,560 Speaker 1: your home. Who should have that power over you to 772 00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:27,440 Speaker 1: deprive you, as an individual of that ability to stand up, 773 00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:31,759 Speaker 1: look evil in the eye and say hell no, not today, no, 774 00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:40,799 Speaker 1: not today. Answer that question for me, then tell me 775 00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:46,799 Speaker 1: the government, the government ought to have the ability for 776 00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:51,000 Speaker 1: the greater good, should deprive you of that power, that ability, 777 00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:54,799 Speaker 1: that inherent ability to defend yourself to say hell no, no, no, 778 00:50:54,800 --> 00:51:00,239 Speaker 1: no no. You know what I say to that, that's 779 00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:03,320 Speaker 1: hell no. Let's take a break. This is Guy Ralford 780 00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:08,359 Speaker 1: on The Gun Guy Show on ninety three WYBC. Guy 781 00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:10,839 Speaker 1: Relford for the law officer Guy Ralford. If you've lost 782 00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:13,040 Speaker 1: your second amendment rights would like to have them restored 783 00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:17,880 Speaker 1: their airs expungement. There are other restoration procedures. They apply 784 00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:20,640 Speaker 1: to a lot of folks, not certainly all, but if 785 00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:23,240 Speaker 1: it's been eight years since a felony conviction, for instance, 786 00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:25,760 Speaker 1: for a lot of felonies, you can have that conviction 787 00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:28,200 Speaker 1: exponge to get your rights restored. If you like to 788 00:51:28,239 --> 00:51:31,160 Speaker 1: explore those opportunities, just contact us through the whelps with 789 00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:34,960 Speaker 1: a website. It's Relford Law dot com. You can see 790 00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:36,879 Speaker 1: the phone number right there, call us during the week 791 00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:39,520 Speaker 1: or send a message right through the website. It's Relford 792 00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:58,240 Speaker 1: Law dot com. 793 00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:02,640 Speaker 2: Now you've got a gun guy, Guy Ralford on ninety 794 00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:04,680 Speaker 2: three WYBC. 795 00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:07,719 Speaker 1: And welcome back. I'm Guy Ralford on the Gun Guy 796 00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:12,880 Speaker 1: Show on ninety three WIBC. So, one of the arguments 797 00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:20,920 Speaker 1: made against law abiding citizens having capacity to to not 798 00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:23,360 Speaker 1: only to arm themselves, but to carry a gun in public, 799 00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:26,480 Speaker 1: and you see this all the time, I said, well, 800 00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:31,960 Speaker 1: you know, only the police and military are trained to 801 00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:34,000 Speaker 1: handle a firearm, So you're going to have a bunch 802 00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:40,640 Speaker 1: of untrained civilians running around shooting themselves and shooting each 803 00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:43,920 Speaker 1: other and shooting innocent bystanders and they're not going to 804 00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:47,480 Speaker 1: know when or how to use their firearm in public, 805 00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:51,520 Speaker 1: and it's going to be mayhem and blood in the streets. 806 00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:55,480 Speaker 1: And listen when when we talk about the train versus 807 00:52:55,560 --> 00:52:59,360 Speaker 1: untrained citizen issue, listen, I'm a trainer. I've been a 808 00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:03,080 Speaker 1: trainer for thirty some years. I'm a training junkie. I 809 00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:06,840 Speaker 1: love to take classes, even as a student, and I 810 00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:10,360 Speaker 1: try to take three or four five a year, And 811 00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:13,719 Speaker 1: in fact, I'm slacking on that. I haven't been in 812 00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:16,160 Speaker 1: a class at over a year now, and I'm missing it. 813 00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:20,279 Speaker 1: I miss getting the trigger time, I miss learning new 814 00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:23,800 Speaker 1: things every class I take. It's like, what's the great quote? 815 00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:27,160 Speaker 1: This often gets attributed to Einstein, but it wasn't. It 816 00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:30,920 Speaker 1: was an English playwright whose name escapes me. But the 817 00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:33,279 Speaker 1: quote that I just absolutely love, which is education is 818 00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:37,400 Speaker 1: progressive discovery of your own ignorance. And I just I 819 00:53:37,520 --> 00:53:40,560 Speaker 1: love that. You know, when in your own mind, are 820 00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:43,359 Speaker 1: you the smartest you've ever been? Right when you're about 821 00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:46,279 Speaker 1: eighteen and you've got the whole world figured out and 822 00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:49,960 Speaker 1: everybody else is stupid. Your parents are stupid, your grandparents 823 00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:52,319 Speaker 1: are stupid, your teachers are stupid, and you're brilliant, and 824 00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:54,200 Speaker 1: you've got it all figured out, and then you spend 825 00:53:54,239 --> 00:53:57,799 Speaker 1: about the next seventy years figuring out all the things 826 00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:02,440 Speaker 1: that you really don't know. Education, progressive discovery of your 827 00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:05,120 Speaker 1: own ignorance, how much out there, how much there is 828 00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:07,799 Speaker 1: out there that you don't know? And I and I 829 00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:14,120 Speaker 1: love that mindset. And I've tried to have that mindset 830 00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:16,760 Speaker 1: throughout my adult life, and and and that certainly applies 831 00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:20,160 Speaker 1: to fire arm training. Every time I take a class, 832 00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:22,200 Speaker 1: even though I've been teaching people for all these years, 833 00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:24,479 Speaker 1: every time I take a class, I'm like, oh, Wow, 834 00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:26,680 Speaker 1: there's a skill I need to work on. There's something 835 00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:32,839 Speaker 1: more I I that I don't know enough about, and 836 00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:35,640 Speaker 1: and and and shooting listens. Shooting is a perishable skill. 837 00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:38,480 Speaker 1: If you don't if you don't use it, you lose it. 838 00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:42,120 Speaker 1: It's not like riding a bicycle. It's just not you 839 00:54:42,160 --> 00:54:44,000 Speaker 1: need the trigger time, you need to take the training. 840 00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:48,040 Speaker 1: So I'm a training advocate, no question. I I I 841 00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:50,839 Speaker 1: walk the walk and as well as talk to talk 842 00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:54,400 Speaker 1: on the need for even the private citizen to be trained. 843 00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:57,120 Speaker 1: And an awful lot of my fellow private citizens couldn't 844 00:54:57,200 --> 00:55:00,080 Speaker 1: agree more. And I know because they come to to 845 00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:02,640 Speaker 1: be for training. I see them in classes. A lot 846 00:55:02,680 --> 00:55:04,160 Speaker 1: of people are out there wanting to take as much 847 00:55:04,160 --> 00:55:06,200 Speaker 1: training as they can. So training is important, no question. 848 00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:10,920 Speaker 1: But what about this basic concept that, well, the private 849 00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:16,600 Speaker 1: citizen is never going to be trained and capable enough, 850 00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:24,480 Speaker 1: competent enough for the public to be safe when we 851 00:55:24,640 --> 00:55:28,719 Speaker 1: have citizens carrying guns in public. And I saw this, 852 00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:30,680 Speaker 1: I commented on this. You can you can see this 853 00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:33,359 Speaker 1: on my Facebook and give me a file. I think 854 00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:36,480 Speaker 1: I'm maxed out on Friends, but on Facebook. You can 855 00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:39,480 Speaker 1: follow me on Facebook or on Twitter. I'm at Guy 856 00:55:39,560 --> 00:55:43,200 Speaker 1: Relford on both, and give me a follow on Twitter 857 00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:51,200 Speaker 1: or Rex and I posted about this as well. But 858 00:55:52,080 --> 00:56:01,920 Speaker 1: the idea that the private citizen is not capable enough 859 00:56:02,120 --> 00:56:04,680 Speaker 1: to carry in public as an argument against it's an 860 00:56:04,760 --> 00:56:08,440 Speaker 1: argument against national reciprocity. And it specifically what I posted 861 00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:11,560 Speaker 1: on and that's where I was going initially, is there 862 00:56:11,600 --> 00:56:13,880 Speaker 1: was a poll that came out or there was actually 863 00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:18,960 Speaker 1: actually just a series of social media posts by anti 864 00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:21,120 Speaker 1: gun groups. And I think it was the Gifford Center 865 00:56:21,160 --> 00:56:22,879 Speaker 1: if I remember correctly, and it could have been every 866 00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:24,600 Speaker 1: Town for Gun Safe. It could have been both. Now 867 00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:26,719 Speaker 1: that I think about it. They came out and they said, 868 00:56:27,080 --> 00:56:30,600 Speaker 1: here's this poll result, and they were talking about why 869 00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:33,839 Speaker 1: we should not pass National Reciprocity, which would require every 870 00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:36,919 Speaker 1: state to recognize the license of the permit to carry 871 00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:41,000 Speaker 1: a handgun of every other state. And they said, polls 872 00:56:41,120 --> 00:56:46,120 Speaker 1: establish that people feel less safe when they know that 873 00:56:46,360 --> 00:56:50,920 Speaker 1: citizens are carrying guns in public where they live, that 874 00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:55,600 Speaker 1: the idea of more people carrying concealed handguns makes people 875 00:56:55,640 --> 00:56:58,080 Speaker 1: feel unsafe. And they were saying, well, we can't possibly 876 00:56:58,120 --> 00:57:01,400 Speaker 1: pass this because it's going to make more people feel unsafe. 877 00:57:03,600 --> 00:57:06,319 Speaker 1: And I reposted this and I said, are you kidding me? 878 00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:09,440 Speaker 1: Is this where we are now? We're going to legislate 879 00:57:09,480 --> 00:57:13,720 Speaker 1: based on feelings? And how did this poll work? Well, 880 00:57:14,760 --> 00:57:18,880 Speaker 1: if if we pass national reciprocity, that means more people 881 00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:21,880 Speaker 1: in your community could be carrying guns and you won't 882 00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:26,320 Speaker 1: know who they are because the guns are concealed. But 883 00:57:27,240 --> 00:57:30,640 Speaker 1: how does the idea of more people carrying guns in 884 00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:35,480 Speaker 1: your home state, or in your town, or in your neighborhood, 885 00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:37,520 Speaker 1: how does that make you feel? Oh, well, it makes 886 00:57:37,520 --> 00:57:42,880 Speaker 1: me feel less safe. Does it actually make them less safe? Well, 887 00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:47,200 Speaker 1: that's a whole different issue. Makes me feel less safe 888 00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:49,800 Speaker 1: and because I feel less safe, we should not pass 889 00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:54,200 Speaker 1: national reciprocity. And the same argument was made against constitutional carry. Well, 890 00:57:55,200 --> 00:57:57,640 Speaker 1: if we pass constitutional carry, more people will be carrying 891 00:57:57,760 --> 00:57:59,880 Speaker 1: a handgun in public. How does that make you feel? Oh, 892 00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:02,840 Speaker 1: it makes me feel unsafe, hegads. We can't have that. 893 00:58:03,600 --> 00:58:06,720 Speaker 1: We have to protect people's feelings. We better legislate on 894 00:58:06,760 --> 00:58:09,560 Speaker 1: that basis. We heard that argument when we were fighting 895 00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:11,960 Speaker 1: for constitutional carry before we got it passed in twenty 896 00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:18,760 Speaker 1: twenty two. How insanely stupid is that? Why the idea 897 00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:21,600 Speaker 1: of people carrying in public around me makes me feel unsafe? 898 00:58:21,640 --> 00:58:24,520 Speaker 1: I was gonna say if somebody said that to me 899 00:58:24,520 --> 00:58:26,200 Speaker 1: in person, I want to say, well, do you feel 900 00:58:26,240 --> 00:58:31,480 Speaker 1: unsafe right now? And I assume if they're being honest, 901 00:58:31,480 --> 00:58:35,440 Speaker 1: they would say, well, no, I don't feel particularly unsafe. Okay, 902 00:58:35,520 --> 00:58:40,320 Speaker 1: now guess what I'm carrying a concealed handgun, book A book, 903 00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:45,960 Speaker 1: A Now, how do you feel I feel unsafe? Why 904 00:58:47,080 --> 00:58:51,680 Speaker 1: the gun's concealed. You can't see it. I'm not touching it, 905 00:58:51,720 --> 00:58:54,720 Speaker 1: You're not touching it, nobody else is. We're sitting right here. 906 00:58:54,720 --> 00:58:57,240 Speaker 1: The only person's gonna feel unsafe because I'm carrying a 907 00:58:57,280 --> 00:58:58,960 Speaker 1: gun is if a bat guy walks in the door 908 00:58:59,000 --> 00:59:03,600 Speaker 1: and wants to shoot this place up, he's gonna feel unsafe. No, 909 00:59:03,640 --> 00:59:07,080 Speaker 1: there's no reason for anybody else to. But this idea 910 00:59:07,120 --> 00:59:13,320 Speaker 1: that untrained citizens make people feel and because because there's 911 00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:15,680 Speaker 1: a there's a tie, they'll say, well, because they're untrained, 912 00:59:15,680 --> 00:59:23,360 Speaker 1: they're gonna they're gonna unintentionally shoot me. Is the premise 913 00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:27,440 Speaker 1: I assume? Is what that what that's based on. And 914 00:59:27,520 --> 00:59:30,120 Speaker 1: if there's a shooting, we're gonna have a bunch of 915 00:59:30,120 --> 00:59:36,360 Speaker 1: of of of of uneducated, untrained yahoos shooting the place up, 916 00:59:36,640 --> 00:59:41,680 Speaker 1: including innocent bystanders. That's the argument. But is that true? 917 00:59:41,960 --> 00:59:46,400 Speaker 1: And looking at statistics, does that really happen? And does 918 00:59:46,440 --> 00:59:49,960 Speaker 1: the argument that well I'm only comfortable with police carrying 919 00:59:50,040 --> 00:59:53,720 Speaker 1: guns because they're not gonna shoot innocent bystanders like those 920 00:59:53,800 --> 00:59:59,040 Speaker 1: untrained private citizens, does that have any support given the numbers, 921 00:59:59,040 --> 01:00:02,320 Speaker 1: because we can research these things. Well, that's what we'll 922 01:00:02,320 --> 01:00:04,800 Speaker 1: go into when we come back after this break. Because 923 01:00:05,480 --> 01:00:08,840 Speaker 1: doctor John R. Loott, Junior of the Crime Prevention Research Center, 924 01:00:08,880 --> 01:00:10,720 Speaker 1: and I posted on this. You can look this up 925 01:00:10,760 --> 01:00:12,360 Speaker 1: on my Twitter. It could be a follow while you're 926 01:00:12,360 --> 01:00:15,920 Speaker 1: on there. By the way, did a study looking at 927 01:00:15,960 --> 01:00:21,240 Speaker 1: this very issue, comparing the number of innocent bystanders shot 928 01:00:21,280 --> 01:00:28,360 Speaker 1: by police versus innocent bystanders shot by private citizens. How 929 01:00:28,360 --> 01:00:30,480 Speaker 1: do you think that study came out. That's what we'll 930 01:00:30,480 --> 01:00:32,720 Speaker 1: go into when we come back. This is Guy Ralford 931 01:00:32,760 --> 01:00:35,080 Speaker 1: on The Gun Guy Show on ninety three WYBC. 932 01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:48,880 Speaker 2: He's a seven Amendment attorney, he's an NRA certified Firearms instructor. 933 01:00:49,440 --> 01:00:56,640 Speaker 2: He's the Gun Guy, Guy RALFORDYPC. 934 01:00:56,360 --> 01:00:57,280 Speaker 1: And welcome back. 935 01:00:57,320 --> 01:01:02,200 Speaker 3: I'm golkon on the Gun Guy Show on WIBC. Thanks 936 01:01:02,280 --> 01:01:05,120 Speaker 3: to producer Gavin who's keeping things running smoothly here as 937 01:01:05,160 --> 01:01:07,480 Speaker 3: we're doing the first Gunk Guy Show from the new 938 01:01:07,520 --> 01:01:12,600 Speaker 3: studios here at Radio one after we moved out of 939 01:01:12,720 --> 01:01:16,080 Speaker 3: the long time WIDC studios on there on the Circle 940 01:01:16,160 --> 01:01:20,160 Speaker 3: forty Monument Circle. And Hey, Gavin, I guess I don't 941 01:01:20,160 --> 01:01:21,960 Speaker 3: want to jinx it here with two segments to go, 942 01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:23,560 Speaker 3: but I think I think I think we're rolling along 943 01:01:23,560 --> 01:01:24,200 Speaker 3: pretty smoothly. 944 01:01:24,200 --> 01:01:25,840 Speaker 1: What do you think I think we've nailed it. I 945 01:01:25,840 --> 01:01:29,080 Speaker 1: think we've nailed it. I don't know if the radio 946 01:01:29,160 --> 01:01:31,560 Speaker 1: content's but me any good, but at least we're making 947 01:01:31,560 --> 01:01:35,120 Speaker 1: the new studio run anyway, I'll cut the phone lines 948 01:01:35,160 --> 01:01:38,640 Speaker 1: if we get people complaining. There you go. So the 949 01:01:38,720 --> 01:01:41,800 Speaker 1: topic I was addressing when we went into that break 950 01:01:42,040 --> 01:01:47,720 Speaker 1: was this idea that armed citizens are going to endanger 951 01:01:47,760 --> 01:01:51,680 Speaker 1: the public because as as not being as trained as 952 01:01:51,760 --> 01:01:55,440 Speaker 1: police or military, they're gonna shoot a bunch of innocent 953 01:01:55,480 --> 01:01:58,640 Speaker 1: bystanders if they ever need to pull and use their gun. Well, 954 01:01:59,120 --> 01:02:03,280 Speaker 1: there was a bit of a hit piece done just 955 01:02:03,360 --> 01:02:07,400 Speaker 1: about a week ago in the Wall Street Journal, and 956 01:02:07,840 --> 01:02:10,760 Speaker 1: one of my great disappointments in my adult life is 957 01:02:10,840 --> 01:02:13,680 Speaker 1: what's happened to the Wall Street Journal. They seem to 958 01:02:13,680 --> 01:02:17,440 Speaker 1: have fallen off the liberal cliff to some degree, but 959 01:02:17,880 --> 01:02:23,040 Speaker 1: they did a bit of a hit piece on private 960 01:02:23,080 --> 01:02:25,800 Speaker 1: citizens carrying guns in public. And listen, this is getting 961 01:02:26,560 --> 01:02:29,840 Speaker 1: a little more attention than usual, not even so much 962 01:02:29,920 --> 01:02:33,240 Speaker 1: because of things like the Brown University shooting, but because 963 01:02:33,960 --> 01:02:38,880 Speaker 1: there's a real possibility that the National Reciprocity Bill in 964 01:02:38,960 --> 01:02:42,200 Speaker 1: Congress could get a vote in the House, and a 965 01:02:42,240 --> 01:02:44,280 Speaker 1: lot of people are pushing really hard for this. The 966 01:02:44,320 --> 01:02:49,000 Speaker 1: bill has one hundred and eighty nine sponsors in the House, 967 01:02:49,080 --> 01:02:51,640 Speaker 1: it has passed out of committee. That's always the first hurdle, 968 01:02:52,840 --> 01:02:56,840 Speaker 1: and it would require every state to recognize the licenses 969 01:02:56,920 --> 01:03:04,439 Speaker 1: or permits handgun licenses are. It would require any state 970 01:03:04,480 --> 01:03:07,800 Speaker 1: to recognize license permits of every other state. And it 971 01:03:07,840 --> 01:03:12,000 Speaker 1: even goes the next step further than that to say 972 01:03:12,000 --> 01:03:14,760 Speaker 1: that if a person lives in a constitutional carry state, 973 01:03:14,800 --> 01:03:17,720 Speaker 1: and there are twenty nine of those now including Indiana, 974 01:03:20,040 --> 01:03:22,560 Speaker 1: that their ability to carry because they live in a 975 01:03:22,560 --> 01:03:25,000 Speaker 1: constitutional carry state would have to be recognized in every 976 01:03:25,000 --> 01:03:29,439 Speaker 1: other state as well. So it's not just national reciprocity 977 01:03:29,520 --> 01:03:34,240 Speaker 1: of permits, it's national reciprocity of constitutional carry depending on 978 01:03:34,240 --> 01:03:37,240 Speaker 1: the state where you live. And how cool is that? 979 01:03:38,760 --> 01:03:41,840 Speaker 1: And so some folks are sam anti gun folks, anti 980 01:03:41,840 --> 01:03:46,600 Speaker 1: Second Amendment folks are very concerned about about constitutional con 981 01:03:47,160 --> 01:03:52,280 Speaker 1: concealed carry reciprocity getting a vote and passing. So you 982 01:03:52,360 --> 01:03:55,000 Speaker 1: see things like this hit piece in the Wall Street Journal, 983 01:03:57,240 --> 01:04:05,800 Speaker 1: and it talked about, for particular, instances where a private 984 01:04:05,840 --> 01:04:10,000 Speaker 1: citizen accidentally shot a bystander when they're trying to shoot 985 01:04:10,000 --> 01:04:13,360 Speaker 1: a bad guy. And this caught the attention of as 986 01:04:13,360 --> 01:04:15,600 Speaker 1: I mentioned before the break, doctor John R a lot 987 01:04:15,840 --> 01:04:19,480 Speaker 1: of the Crime Prevention Research Center, and I posted this 988 01:04:19,560 --> 01:04:22,080 Speaker 1: on my Twitter or X. Never quite know what to 989 01:04:22,080 --> 01:04:24,440 Speaker 1: call it. These days, and so you can go and 990 01:04:24,480 --> 01:04:28,760 Speaker 1: you can find the actual study there on my feed 991 01:04:28,960 --> 01:04:31,000 Speaker 1: on Twitter. He might scroll down just a little bit. 992 01:04:32,480 --> 01:04:35,920 Speaker 1: But I quoted an email I actually got because I'm 993 01:04:35,920 --> 01:04:38,640 Speaker 1: on the distribution list for the Crime Prevention Research Center, 994 01:04:38,720 --> 01:04:42,680 Speaker 1: which is founded by doctor Lott. He's a statistician, but 995 01:04:42,760 --> 01:04:45,560 Speaker 1: clearly a two to a guy, and it is definitely 996 01:04:45,600 --> 01:04:50,120 Speaker 1: an advocate. You really, you can't say that he's not 997 01:04:50,480 --> 01:04:53,560 Speaker 1: promoting Second Amendment rights. I think he clearly is. But 998 01:04:53,600 --> 01:04:55,480 Speaker 1: he does it based on the numbers and based on 999 01:04:55,640 --> 01:05:01,160 Speaker 1: established statistics. But what he wrote and I republished it 1000 01:05:01,240 --> 01:05:03,760 Speaker 1: on Twitter, he said. This past Monday, the Wall Street 1001 01:05:03,800 --> 01:05:07,480 Speaker 1: Journal ran a front page article highlighting four cases from 1002 01:05:07,560 --> 01:05:10,840 Speaker 1: twenty twenty two to the present in which someone carrying 1003 01:05:10,840 --> 01:05:15,360 Speaker 1: a firearm for self defense accidentally shot a bystander. The 1004 01:05:15,440 --> 01:05:19,720 Speaker 1: article criticized right to carry and constitutional carry laws, even 1005 01:05:19,760 --> 01:05:22,360 Speaker 1: though one of the four cases involved a convenience store 1006 01:05:22,400 --> 01:05:26,480 Speaker 1: employee and therefore did not apply, and another involved a 1007 01:05:26,480 --> 01:05:30,480 Speaker 1: person who was illegally carrying a concealed handgun in California. 1008 01:05:31,280 --> 01:05:34,120 Speaker 1: The journal also failed to provide any context on how 1009 01:05:34,160 --> 01:05:39,240 Speaker 1: frequently such incidents occur. To address that gap, we and 1010 01:05:39,360 --> 01:05:43,920 Speaker 1: as he's referring to, the Crime Prevention Research Center conducted 1011 01:05:43,960 --> 01:05:47,560 Speaker 1: a comprehensive review and identified only four cases since twenty 1012 01:05:47,640 --> 01:05:51,400 Speaker 1: sixteen in which is civilian legally carrying a firearm that's 1013 01:05:51,400 --> 01:05:55,520 Speaker 1: an important point, legally carrying a firearm in public, accidentally 1014 01:05:55,520 --> 01:05:59,960 Speaker 1: shot a bystander, resulting in five bystanders shot in total. 1015 01:06:00,840 --> 01:06:05,520 Speaker 1: One of those cases involved a security guard and two bystanders, 1016 01:06:06,040 --> 01:06:08,560 Speaker 1: meaning it arguably should not be included at all. And 1017 01:06:08,600 --> 01:06:10,680 Speaker 1: what he means by there is you talk about someone 1018 01:06:10,720 --> 01:06:13,640 Speaker 1: employed to carry a gun. You're not talking about just 1019 01:06:13,920 --> 01:06:19,000 Speaker 1: your average citizen carrying a gun in public. But denniswil 1020 01:06:19,400 --> 01:06:21,520 Speaker 1: what gets interesting. He then goes on to say, we 1021 01:06:21,600 --> 01:06:26,200 Speaker 1: then compared these incidents with police shootings and found that 1022 01:06:26,280 --> 01:06:30,360 Speaker 1: police were five point six times more likely than legally 1023 01:06:30,480 --> 01:06:36,200 Speaker 1: armed citizens to accidentally shoot a bystander. And then the 1024 01:06:36,200 --> 01:06:38,600 Speaker 1: point that I made on Twitter, and I'll repeat it 1025 01:06:38,680 --> 01:06:42,240 Speaker 1: here before we take a break here before our last segment, 1026 01:06:42,920 --> 01:06:45,760 Speaker 1: is I said, listen to the CPRC, the Crime Profession Research 1027 01:06:45,800 --> 01:06:48,640 Speaker 1: Center's article that they're not trying to criticize police when 1028 01:06:48,640 --> 01:06:54,240 Speaker 1: they compare armed citizens shooting bystanders accidentally to police doing 1029 01:06:54,280 --> 01:06:57,960 Speaker 1: the same The point is not to throw stones or 1030 01:06:58,040 --> 01:07:01,640 Speaker 1: cachehade on police. That's not the point at all. What 1031 01:07:01,640 --> 01:07:04,760 Speaker 1: they're saying is the argument that only police should be 1032 01:07:05,040 --> 01:07:08,360 Speaker 1: allowed to carry in public because they won't shoot innocent 1033 01:07:08,360 --> 01:07:13,240 Speaker 1: bystanders like untrained civilians will. That that makes no sense 1034 01:07:13,480 --> 01:07:15,960 Speaker 1: and is not supported by the facts. It's not supported 1035 01:07:15,960 --> 01:07:20,680 Speaker 1: by the numbers, it's not supported by the statistics. That's 1036 01:07:20,720 --> 01:07:23,439 Speaker 1: the point. So let's take a break here, we come back. 1037 01:07:23,480 --> 01:07:27,560 Speaker 1: I'll wrap up talking about exactly how logical it is 1038 01:07:29,360 --> 01:07:33,880 Speaker 1: to deny citizens the right to freely carry a firearm, 1039 01:07:34,320 --> 01:07:36,800 Speaker 1: to bear arms in the wording of the Second Amendment 1040 01:07:36,880 --> 01:07:40,600 Speaker 1: across state lines in multiple states, based on this fear 1041 01:07:41,120 --> 01:07:44,320 Speaker 1: for public safety and the idea that well, only the 1042 01:07:44,320 --> 01:07:47,360 Speaker 1: military and police are trained enough to carry a firearm, 1043 01:07:48,240 --> 01:07:52,280 Speaker 1: and the fact that there aren't really any or many 1044 01:07:52,320 --> 01:07:58,200 Speaker 1: documented instances where private citizens successfully used a gun, either 1045 01:07:58,240 --> 01:08:01,920 Speaker 1: to prevent crime or prevent a mass shoe How does 1046 01:08:02,000 --> 01:08:04,920 Speaker 1: that contention bear up. That's what we'll go into when 1047 01:08:04,920 --> 01:08:06,560 Speaker 1: we come back. Right now, we're taking a break. This 1048 01:08:06,560 --> 01:08:08,640 Speaker 1: says Guy Ralfred on The Gun Guy Show on ninety 1049 01:08:08,680 --> 01:08:13,120 Speaker 1: three WYBC. Guy Ralford for tactical firearms training and our 1050 01:08:13,200 --> 01:08:16,639 Speaker 1: most popular classes, Essentials of Indiana Gun Law. 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Let's talk about the idea that 1077 01:09:56,560 --> 01:09:59,719 Speaker 1: the private citizens just simply aren't equipped capable of dealing 1078 01:09:59,760 --> 01:10:05,559 Speaker 1: with with crime in general or in particular mass shootings, 1079 01:10:05,600 --> 01:10:09,040 Speaker 1: and talking about doctor John Arlott Junior and the Crime 1080 01:10:09,080 --> 01:10:12,920 Speaker 1: Provention Research Center. They actually did a setting on this too, 1081 01:10:13,400 --> 01:10:16,639 Speaker 1: and you know that they showed in places that are 1082 01:10:16,680 --> 01:10:21,880 Speaker 1: non gun free zones, and that's an important point, where 1083 01:10:21,960 --> 01:10:26,000 Speaker 1: citizens are actually allowed to carry guns. They actually stopped 1084 01:10:26,000 --> 01:10:30,680 Speaker 1: mass shootings something like forty percent of the time, a 1085 01:10:30,800 --> 01:10:35,920 Speaker 1: very very large number. It's not all, but we would 1086 01:10:35,960 --> 01:10:40,880 Speaker 1: never expect it to be. But the other issue, and 1087 01:10:40,920 --> 01:10:42,840 Speaker 1: this is something that I learned a lot about. I 1088 01:10:42,880 --> 01:10:46,840 Speaker 1: took a great class from a gentleman named Ed Monk, 1089 01:10:46,920 --> 01:10:51,360 Speaker 1: and Edmunk has a military background. They went into law 1090 01:10:51,439 --> 01:10:55,840 Speaker 1: enforcement was actually a teacher for a while, then went 1091 01:10:55,880 --> 01:10:58,840 Speaker 1: back into law enforcement. Now he's a private trainer. But 1092 01:10:59,360 --> 01:11:04,600 Speaker 1: he heard repeatedly that, you know, the best way to 1093 01:11:04,600 --> 01:11:07,040 Speaker 1: respond to school shootings or any other mass shootings was 1094 01:11:07,080 --> 01:11:10,440 Speaker 1: where things like run, hide, fight, where fight's the last alternative. 1095 01:11:11,040 --> 01:11:13,840 Speaker 1: And in the meantime, you know, students ought to be 1096 01:11:13,880 --> 01:11:17,519 Speaker 1: taught to hide under their desks or congregate in the corner, 1097 01:11:17,560 --> 01:11:21,000 Speaker 1: shielded only by their teacher's body. And all of that 1098 01:11:21,040 --> 01:11:24,800 Speaker 1: made no sense to him. And it prompted him to 1099 01:11:24,840 --> 01:11:28,200 Speaker 1: study mass shootings with a focus on school shootings and 1100 01:11:28,400 --> 01:11:33,719 Speaker 1: and and he has this really detailed course for school 1101 01:11:33,760 --> 01:11:38,000 Speaker 1: resource officers and school personnel, and he allowed me to 1102 01:11:38,000 --> 01:11:40,560 Speaker 1: come take that class, and you know, he talked about it. 1103 01:11:40,640 --> 01:11:44,320 Speaker 1: He talked about predicting casualties in a mass shooting event, 1104 01:11:44,360 --> 01:11:46,719 Speaker 1: any mass shooting event, and he said, it's about two things. 1105 01:11:46,880 --> 01:11:50,519 Speaker 1: It is very easy if you can conplict casualties based 1106 01:11:50,560 --> 01:11:54,559 Speaker 1: on two things, time and math. The amount of time 1107 01:11:54,600 --> 01:11:58,080 Speaker 1: it takes for a gun to arrive in the hands 1108 01:11:58,120 --> 01:12:01,679 Speaker 1: of a good guy to stop the mass shooting. Time 1109 01:12:02,360 --> 01:12:04,920 Speaker 1: is one hundred percent the factor. Otherwise it's just math. 1110 01:12:05,400 --> 01:12:08,840 Speaker 1: Add up the bodies and you an armed citizen has 1111 01:12:08,280 --> 01:12:13,160 Speaker 1: as a huge advantage. They're there. They're present. Not at 1112 01:12:13,160 --> 01:12:17,840 Speaker 1: Bondy Beach, not at Brown University, but where guns are 1113 01:12:17,880 --> 01:12:22,200 Speaker 1: allowed to be, they're present. They're there, they're available. Evil 1114 01:12:22,240 --> 01:12:25,760 Speaker 1: shows up. People have the capacity to say hell no. 1115 01:12:27,040 --> 01:12:29,200 Speaker 1: That's it for this week's edition of The Gun Guy Show. 1116 01:12:29,200 --> 01:12:31,200 Speaker 1: Hope you enjoyed it, Hope you come back. Remember always 1117 01:12:31,200 --> 01:12:34,320 Speaker 1: shoot straight and be safe. This is Guy Ralford on 1118 01:12:34,400 --> 01:12:35,600 Speaker 1: ninety three WIBC.