1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:01,800 Speaker 1: Joining us now, a guy that feels like he's under 2 00:00:01,840 --> 00:00:03,840 Speaker 1: duress every time he comes on this program. I'm sure 3 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:07,760 Speaker 1: from ESPN dot com Stephen Holder joining us, Steven. Let's 4 00:00:07,760 --> 00:00:09,720 Speaker 1: get right to the first thing's first year, and that 5 00:00:09,800 --> 00:00:12,920 Speaker 1: is the colt's injury report. You know, I would assume 6 00:00:13,039 --> 00:00:15,840 Speaker 1: obviously at this point on a Tuesday, there's really no 7 00:00:16,079 --> 00:00:20,000 Speaker 1: new information on some of those, notably Kenny Moore and 8 00:00:20,040 --> 00:00:22,840 Speaker 1: Alec Pierce, that are hurt. Sometimes there are also those 9 00:00:22,880 --> 00:00:24,200 Speaker 1: that we hear about and you go, wait a minute, 10 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:27,880 Speaker 1: I didn't realize that they were under question in terms 11 00:00:27,880 --> 00:00:30,880 Speaker 1: of their health status. Where do things stand right now 12 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:35,320 Speaker 1: in terms of the health of the colts, Well. 13 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:37,880 Speaker 2: It's pretty apparent at this point. I think that Kenny 14 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:40,559 Speaker 2: Moore is not going to play this week. That's not confirmed, 15 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:43,680 Speaker 2: they haven't said that out right, but every indication is 16 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:46,440 Speaker 2: that he will not play this week. So I think 17 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:51,360 Speaker 2: they're planning for that. Mike Kilton, which that kick that 18 00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:55,959 Speaker 2: was reported yesterday that the former SNATI Bengals corner he 19 00:00:56,120 --> 00:01:00,160 Speaker 2: has joined the practice squad as of today officially so 20 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:03,959 Speaker 2: they can promote him on a Sunday if they need him. 21 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:08,119 Speaker 2: And remember he has a history of playing in the slot, 22 00:01:08,440 --> 00:01:11,600 Speaker 2: and so he has shown the versatility to be able 23 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:13,800 Speaker 2: to play in there. Is he the player he used 24 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:16,760 Speaker 2: to be? I don't think so. Then that's just a reality. 25 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:19,040 Speaker 2: But he has experienced and he could do it on 26 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:24,480 Speaker 2: short notice. So that's where they are there, look out Paris. 27 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:27,480 Speaker 2: You know how these concussions are, You don't know, frankly 28 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:31,440 Speaker 2: until you see how the player responds in the following days. 29 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:34,440 Speaker 2: So too early to know. He's got to go through 30 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:37,320 Speaker 2: the steps, and he can't really do that for the 31 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:40,160 Speaker 2: most part until you get out there and practice, so 32 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:43,559 Speaker 2: that process gets underway. Tomorrow we'll see if he's even 33 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:47,720 Speaker 2: out there, if he has had a or I guess 34 00:01:47,720 --> 00:01:50,440 Speaker 2: if his symptoms have subsided, he can practice and then 35 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:53,200 Speaker 2: he's got to follow the steps and then we will 36 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:56,920 Speaker 2: see where he stands on Friday Saturday. So that's where 37 00:01:56,920 --> 00:02:00,600 Speaker 2: we're right now. But I think you're getting ready to 38 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:05,920 Speaker 2: see perhaps Mike Hilton and possibly if Piers doesn't play 39 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:07,800 Speaker 2: a little more of Ady Mitchell's. 40 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:09,400 Speaker 3: Steve And I know he has to miss one more 41 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:11,440 Speaker 3: game because he was placed on injury reserve prior to 42 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:14,440 Speaker 3: the season, But is the anticipation after this week that 43 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:16,680 Speaker 3: the twenty one day would turn to action window will 44 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:18,240 Speaker 3: be opened for jail and Carlis. 45 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:25,359 Speaker 2: What I've heard is that he seems to be somebody 46 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:27,880 Speaker 2: who will come back sooner than later when once that 47 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:32,639 Speaker 2: four week you know, time limits has elapsed and this 48 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:35,680 Speaker 2: is the fourth game coming up, and that would be 49 00:02:35,720 --> 00:02:38,160 Speaker 2: good because I do think linebacker is an issue for 50 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:42,400 Speaker 2: them right now. That position or that unit, the depth 51 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:45,440 Speaker 2: is just not there and they don't have a lot 52 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:48,480 Speaker 2: of playmaking at that position right now. Carlais is a 53 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:52,960 Speaker 2: guy who has that potential, that playmaking potential, particularly in coverage. 54 00:02:53,480 --> 00:02:57,440 Speaker 2: And so you go up against a play caller like 55 00:02:57,520 --> 00:03:01,000 Speaker 2: Sean McVay and you know, Wise won't play this week. 56 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:03,400 Speaker 2: But I'm just saying, you know, that's a guy who 57 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:05,720 Speaker 2: can exploit your weaknesses, and that is a weakness for 58 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:07,720 Speaker 2: the Colts. So it's something to watch for his work. 59 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:10,960 Speaker 1: Stephen, which has been a bigger Stephen Holder, our guest 60 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:13,480 Speaker 1: from ESPN dot com, which has been a bigger surprise 61 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:18,280 Speaker 1: for you in terms of this offense, and by that 62 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:23,280 Speaker 1: I mean in the short yardage passing game and a 63 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:28,440 Speaker 1: short yardage target for Daniel Jones, Jonathan Taylor or Alec Pierce. 64 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 2: Hmm. I would say Jonathan Taylor maybe because I think 65 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:41,960 Speaker 2: if you look at the last couple of years, his 66 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:46,440 Speaker 2: receiving numbers have been down pretty substantially. He caught a 67 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:49,120 Speaker 2: lot of passes in his first two years because he 68 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:51,600 Speaker 2: was on the field all the time, but the last 69 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:54,840 Speaker 2: two years since Shane Styken, it's goincided with Shane Styking 70 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:58,080 Speaker 2: being here. And I don't know that it's Shane specifically, 71 00:03:58,320 --> 00:04:00,600 Speaker 2: but for whatever reason, he has caught a lot of 72 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:03,440 Speaker 2: passes and I think it's an opportunity missed. I always 73 00:04:03,440 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 2: thought that. I think some of the biggest plays in 74 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 2: Jonathan Taylor's career have come in the passing game. I 75 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:11,240 Speaker 2: talked to him about this recently. You can go back 76 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:15,520 Speaker 2: to there was that Carson Wentz game in Baltimore a 77 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:18,520 Speaker 2: few years back where they hit him on a checkdown 78 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:20,679 Speaker 2: or a screen, I can't remember, and he went about 79 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:24,480 Speaker 2: seventy yards to the house. There was there was a 80 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:29,719 Speaker 2: screen in Houston. I think maybe Philip Rivers through this. 81 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:34,080 Speaker 2: I believe maybe as a rookie for Jonathan Taylor's rookie year, 82 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 2: took that one, you know, sixty yards or so to 83 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:39,120 Speaker 2: the end zone. 84 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:40,599 Speaker 4: You know he is. 85 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:43,560 Speaker 2: His playmaking ability is the same whether you throw it 86 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:46,240 Speaker 2: to him or he runs it right. If he's in 87 00:04:46,279 --> 00:04:48,720 Speaker 2: the open field, he's in the open field. So I 88 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:52,520 Speaker 2: just think there were some missed opportunities there. And Shane 89 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:56,720 Speaker 2: Staken told me before the season privately, he said, JT's 90 00:04:56,720 --> 00:04:58,279 Speaker 2: going to catch a lot of passes this year. And 91 00:04:58,320 --> 00:05:02,479 Speaker 2: I said, really, because I forgot. It seems like you 92 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:05,600 Speaker 2: guys forgot that he existed in the passing game. And 93 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:07,440 Speaker 2: it's kind of what I said to him, I'm paraphrasing, 94 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:10,560 Speaker 2: and he said, no. He says, Daniel is the perfect guy. 95 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:13,400 Speaker 2: He's going to give him the ball and he's going 96 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:15,400 Speaker 2: to check it down to him a lot, because that's 97 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:17,719 Speaker 2: what he does when he doesn't have his first option. 98 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:20,159 Speaker 2: And you know, we think that he can help us 99 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 2: a little more in the passing game, even scheming stuff 100 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:26,360 Speaker 2: for him, as you saw, I believe last week against 101 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:29,440 Speaker 2: the Broncos. He saw that long reception that he had 102 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:32,200 Speaker 2: that was a schemed play. It wasn't a checkdown. So 103 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:34,960 Speaker 2: I'm happy they're doing it because I again, I think 104 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:36,920 Speaker 2: they've left a lot on the bone by not getting 105 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:40,120 Speaker 2: him involved there. He is a very poor pass protector. 106 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 2: That's part of what has been his has kept him 107 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:44,520 Speaker 2: out of the passing game. But he's doing a better 108 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:47,360 Speaker 2: job this year. I have to give him credit, and 109 00:05:47,640 --> 00:05:50,320 Speaker 2: it really is about effort. So that's good. But at 110 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:54,359 Speaker 2: the same time, ale Pearis being involved. I knew he 111 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:57,720 Speaker 2: could do it. They just had to actually give him 112 00:05:57,720 --> 00:06:00,039 Speaker 2: the opportunities, and I'm glad that they are because he 113 00:05:59,920 --> 00:06:02,560 Speaker 2: is a more well rounded receiver than we give them 114 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:02,960 Speaker 2: credit for. 115 00:06:03,520 --> 00:06:07,120 Speaker 1: I was talking about earlier Stephen before he came on. 116 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:12,320 Speaker 1: You know Alec Pierce and his ability to play again 117 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:15,479 Speaker 1: possession receiver is the wrong word, but you know they're 118 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:20,120 Speaker 1: able to use him in just in shorter routes, you know, 119 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:22,360 Speaker 1: bubble screens, whatever you want to use. You know, he's 120 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:24,320 Speaker 1: not just the deep ball threat, is what I'm getting 121 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:28,719 Speaker 1: at here, right. How much of that is Shane Stike 122 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 1: in deciding to design and scheme things for Alec Pierce, 123 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:35,640 Speaker 1: And how much of that is Reggie Wayne as I 124 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:39,440 Speaker 1: was talking about saying, Look, I had to reinvent myself 125 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:41,760 Speaker 1: as a receiver in the latter part of my career. 126 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:44,160 Speaker 1: You still have the versatility. Let me show you how 127 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:46,680 Speaker 1: to play in this style. Am I giving the Wayne 128 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 1: aspect too much credit there? 129 00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:54,280 Speaker 2: Well, it definitely is a factor. Here's where it's a factor. 130 00:06:54,279 --> 00:06:57,320 Speaker 2: Here's where Reggie Wayne is a factor. Alec Pierce has 131 00:06:57,400 --> 00:06:59,560 Speaker 2: very much wanted to do this. I talked to him 132 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:02,240 Speaker 2: about this in the off season and he said, his 133 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:06,599 Speaker 2: entire offseason work will the majority of his off season 134 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:10,440 Speaker 2: work was spent on getting in and out of his 135 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:14,480 Speaker 2: breaks and doing the things that get you open on 136 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:18,600 Speaker 2: shorter and intermediate routes. You know, when he gets to 137 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:20,720 Speaker 2: open up and run down the field on a seven 138 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:22,640 Speaker 2: step drop, well he can do that because the guy 139 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 2: can run, and he runs like a gazelle. You know, 140 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:29,000 Speaker 2: he's six three with long legs and he's got good speed, right, 141 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:32,920 Speaker 2: So that's natural for him. What's not natural is how 142 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:36,680 Speaker 2: do you how do you get open when you're you're 143 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:40,560 Speaker 2: running you know, an eight yard incut, you know, and 144 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:43,520 Speaker 2: you've got to shake this corner who is all over 145 00:07:43,600 --> 00:07:47,800 Speaker 2: you. You do that with very precise cuts and good technique 146 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:51,400 Speaker 2: and running routes that all look the same, so that 147 00:07:51,520 --> 00:07:54,360 Speaker 2: corner doesn't get any kind of indication on what you're doing. 148 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 2: So that is where I think the Reggie Wayne aspect 149 00:07:57,160 --> 00:07:59,200 Speaker 2: comes into play because he was great at that right. 150 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:03,200 Speaker 2: Reggie Wayne was a technician. You know, when we talk 151 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:06,640 Speaker 2: about Jerry Rice, now, he's not Jerry Rice, although he's 152 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:09,160 Speaker 2: a very he was an excellent player, a Hall of famer, 153 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:12,640 Speaker 2: I think. But Jerry Rice, there's a reason he could 154 00:08:12,640 --> 00:08:14,560 Speaker 2: play in the NFL running a you know, a four 155 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:17,680 Speaker 2: to eight forty not quite for eight, but almost right. 156 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:21,520 Speaker 2: And the reason is because he was an incredible technician 157 00:08:21,760 --> 00:08:23,880 Speaker 2: and you never knew whether he was running a go 158 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:27,040 Speaker 2: route or a slant. You couldn't tell the difference. And 159 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:30,320 Speaker 2: that is what you have to be able to implement 160 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:32,040 Speaker 2: into your game. And I like Paris has done a 161 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:35,640 Speaker 2: much better job I think of running more precise routes 162 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:39,120 Speaker 2: and that's how he's creating that space now. And then 163 00:08:39,160 --> 00:08:41,720 Speaker 2: the other thing is Daniel Jones frankly as a factor 164 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:46,199 Speaker 2: here because his ball placement has been incredible. I mean, 165 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:49,440 Speaker 2: I can't believe it. I mean I didn't think he 166 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:54,160 Speaker 2: was like this, you know, wildly inaccurate quarterback. But I 167 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:56,440 Speaker 2: never thought he would throw the ball with this kind 168 00:08:56,480 --> 00:08:59,160 Speaker 2: of accuracy. It is ridiculous. So I mean, he's just 169 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:02,560 Speaker 2: doing a great job. Pearce is a great contested ball catcher, 170 00:09:02,920 --> 00:09:05,480 Speaker 2: and it's all coming together. So it's all of the above. 171 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:08,040 Speaker 4: Stephen, can you do me. You're not driving right now, 172 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:08,320 Speaker 4: are you? 173 00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:10,200 Speaker 2: I'm not? 174 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:10,679 Speaker 4: Okay? 175 00:09:10,679 --> 00:09:12,480 Speaker 1: Good, because I want you to close your eyes for 176 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:17,600 Speaker 1: a second. Okay, I'm not going to hypnotize you here, Okay, 177 00:09:17,760 --> 00:09:19,959 Speaker 1: Stephen Holder. I want you to close your eyes, take 178 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:24,359 Speaker 1: a deep breath. Okay. I want you to envision Halloween 179 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:28,840 Speaker 1: of twenty twenty six. This is Halloween a year from now, 180 00:09:28,920 --> 00:09:31,840 Speaker 1: a year and a month from now or so. Okay, 181 00:09:32,360 --> 00:09:35,200 Speaker 1: So you're getting ready, you're setting up the trick or 182 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 1: treating and everything else, and just when the kids are 183 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:41,319 Speaker 1: about to come from the neighborhood up to drive, your 184 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:45,040 Speaker 1: wife says to you, oh, Stephen, before we hand out 185 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:47,880 Speaker 1: the candy, I was supposed to remind you you've got 186 00:09:47,920 --> 00:09:51,880 Speaker 1: a phone interview with the Colts quarterback tonight. You say, 187 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:55,360 Speaker 1: that's right, So you tell the kids to hang on 188 00:09:55,480 --> 00:09:57,280 Speaker 1: just a second. You've got to conduct an interview with 189 00:09:57,320 --> 00:10:00,600 Speaker 1: the starting quarterback of the Colts. Is that player Dani Jones. 190 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:04,719 Speaker 2: It sort of sounds like it. Because the guy has 191 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:07,880 Speaker 2: no wife, he doesn't know that it's Halloween. Clearly because 192 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:09,880 Speaker 2: all he does is study the damn playbook. So it 193 00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:15,439 Speaker 2: sounds like Daniel Jones to me. But look, in all seriousness, but. 194 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:17,720 Speaker 4: Is he here a year fr now as the guy 195 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:18,559 Speaker 4: that's starting. 196 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:21,319 Speaker 2: For I know, I know, I know I think that 197 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:22,960 Speaker 2: you or or is. 198 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:25,840 Speaker 1: He in fact this year for Halloween just disguised as 199 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:27,960 Speaker 1: a guy that's a competent quarterback and we're all going 200 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:30,959 Speaker 1: to be fooled with a treat a trick and not 201 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:31,480 Speaker 1: a treat. 202 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:34,920 Speaker 2: Well, wouldn't we feel stupid if that's the case? 203 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:35,160 Speaker 5: Right? 204 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:38,959 Speaker 2: But look, three games is not enough. I mean, I'm 205 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:42,760 Speaker 2: not giving him an extension tomorrow or anything. However, I 206 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:45,600 Speaker 2: think if what we're seeing is real, even if it's 207 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:47,679 Speaker 2: not like to this level, he doesn't have to play 208 00:10:47,720 --> 00:10:49,720 Speaker 2: this well all year for him to be a guy 209 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:53,160 Speaker 2: who is who is an option for them next year. 210 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:57,160 Speaker 2: This team they don't they can't be picky. Okay, they're 211 00:10:57,160 --> 00:10:59,400 Speaker 2: not going to have a great draft pick. There's not 212 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:00,920 Speaker 2: going to be core backs falling. 213 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:01,400 Speaker 4: Out of the trees. 214 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:06,240 Speaker 2: Like if this guy continues to play competent football and 215 00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:10,360 Speaker 2: can work with Shane Stikeen in such a way that 216 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:12,240 Speaker 2: he can get the best out of him. It's a 217 00:11:12,280 --> 00:11:14,640 Speaker 2: no brainer. It's no brainer. And so they have a 218 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:16,920 Speaker 2: couple of things going for them. You still got to 219 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:20,320 Speaker 2: sign him, right, and that won't They won't be fourteen million, okay, 220 00:11:21,040 --> 00:11:23,840 Speaker 2: like it is this year. So the options would be 221 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:27,120 Speaker 2: as follows. You negotiate, you come to a deal, You 222 00:11:27,160 --> 00:11:30,120 Speaker 2: sign him to a multi year contract. Obviously he would 223 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:33,320 Speaker 2: want that, because who wouldn't. The other alternative if you 224 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:35,880 Speaker 2: can't get a deal done is you have the franchise 225 00:11:35,920 --> 00:11:38,840 Speaker 2: tag because he is your player. So the Colts have 226 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:42,200 Speaker 2: the upper hand. He would certainly be of interest to 227 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:45,319 Speaker 2: other teams if he plays this well all year, There's 228 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:48,320 Speaker 2: no question about that. But they have the upper hand 229 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:52,120 Speaker 2: because they can negotiate with him in advance, whereas other 230 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:55,280 Speaker 2: teams cannot. And they also have the benefit of the 231 00:11:55,320 --> 00:11:58,320 Speaker 2: franchise tag, which would be a gazillion dollars for one year, 232 00:11:58,360 --> 00:11:59,679 Speaker 2: but probably worth it. 233 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:02,440 Speaker 1: I think what you Freudian just said to us before 234 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:06,400 Speaker 1: I inadvertently cut you off from saying it, is that 235 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:08,680 Speaker 1: Daniel Jones. Part of how he ended up getting the 236 00:12:08,760 --> 00:12:11,240 Speaker 1: job is on Halloween, he's studying the playbook and the 237 00:12:11,280 --> 00:12:13,000 Speaker 1: last guy was trick or treating, right. 238 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:17,680 Speaker 2: Not exactly what I was saying, but I will say this, 239 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:20,960 Speaker 2: I hear where you're going with that. I do think that, 240 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:25,079 Speaker 2: you know, I don't want to characterize these things in 241 00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:27,880 Speaker 2: such a way like, well, one guy's working hard and 242 00:12:27,920 --> 00:12:31,160 Speaker 2: the other guy isn't. But I would say this this guy, Yeah, 243 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:35,760 Speaker 2: but this guy definitely has an incomparable work ethic. That 244 00:12:35,880 --> 00:12:41,839 Speaker 2: is true. And I think for Daniel Jones, he would 245 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:45,920 Speaker 2: not be the player that he is right now without that. Okay, 246 00:12:46,160 --> 00:12:50,480 Speaker 2: now there may be players for whom it's different, But 247 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:54,040 Speaker 2: for Daniel, his success from everything we see and hear, 248 00:12:55,160 --> 00:12:58,439 Speaker 2: is because when you ask Shane Spekin about him, it's 249 00:12:58,440 --> 00:12:59,880 Speaker 2: the only thing he talks about. He says, well, the 250 00:12:59,880 --> 00:13:02,360 Speaker 2: guy works hard and he studies and it's all he 251 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:05,600 Speaker 2: puts in. All this work, right, it's what everybody says. 252 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:12,400 Speaker 2: So he knows that his ticket to success is knowing 253 00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:15,720 Speaker 2: everything backwards and forwards. And maybe it's because he doesn't 254 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:20,000 Speaker 2: have maybe the you know, the magical Josh Allen type 255 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:24,880 Speaker 2: of arm or the Lamar Jackson overall ability. Right, He's 256 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:27,200 Speaker 2: not that kind of quarterback. There's no question about that. 257 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:31,200 Speaker 2: Now he's throwing the ball very well, but there is 258 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:33,560 Speaker 2: something to be said for that, Like he has to 259 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:37,760 Speaker 2: be on the screws on all the details because you know, 260 00:13:37,880 --> 00:13:41,600 Speaker 2: his arm talent maybe isn't what it is for some 261 00:13:41,679 --> 00:13:44,080 Speaker 2: of the elite guys out there, so he makes up 262 00:13:44,080 --> 00:13:46,680 Speaker 2: for it in other ways. And I know that's a 263 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:50,880 Speaker 2: tired cliche, like you know, maybe the guy who isn't 264 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:55,040 Speaker 2: as physically talented, he just outworks everybody. But I can 265 00:13:55,080 --> 00:13:56,960 Speaker 2: only tell you in the case of Daniel Jones, that's 266 00:13:56,960 --> 00:13:58,679 Speaker 2: what you're seeing right now, Like you're seeing a guy 267 00:13:58,679 --> 00:14:02,440 Speaker 2: who's outworking everybody and making himself the quarterback that he 268 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:06,640 Speaker 2: is in part because of the work in the preparation 269 00:14:06,679 --> 00:14:07,319 Speaker 2: that he puts in. 270 00:14:07,720 --> 00:14:11,319 Speaker 1: Steven, let me give you a couple of notes from 271 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:13,240 Speaker 1: this weekend, and I want you to tell me what 272 00:14:13,280 --> 00:14:13,959 Speaker 1: you notice here. 273 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:16,719 Speaker 4: Okay, I think back. 274 00:14:16,760 --> 00:14:19,920 Speaker 1: You know the NFL is a is a copycat and 275 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:22,600 Speaker 1: cyclical league, right, I mean, we know that there are 276 00:14:22,680 --> 00:14:24,880 Speaker 1: trends that happened in the NFL, and a couple of 277 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:26,880 Speaker 1: years ago we were all discussing, you know that the 278 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:31,400 Speaker 1: running back was this expendable, fungible position that you know, 279 00:14:31,520 --> 00:14:33,520 Speaker 1: no longer did you need to spend a top second? 280 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:37,440 Speaker 1: You know, three rounds pick on the running back because 281 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:41,320 Speaker 1: everybody was throwing for a billion yards, and the league 282 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:44,840 Speaker 1: and the competition committee, going back to Brady Manning, was 283 00:14:44,840 --> 00:14:48,680 Speaker 1: set up for to advantage quarterback. I look at and 284 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:51,880 Speaker 1: I'm looking at the sheet right here. Okay, this past weekend, 285 00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:58,840 Speaker 1: Tyrod Taylor in his game, Tyrod Taylor threw for let 286 00:14:58,920 --> 00:15:01,520 Speaker 1: me see here, six thirty six for one hundred and 287 00:15:01,640 --> 00:15:06,080 Speaker 1: ninety seven yards. Okay, Carson Wentz comes in and fills in, 288 00:15:06,560 --> 00:15:09,120 Speaker 1: and Carson Wentz goes fourteen to twenty for one hundred 289 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:12,520 Speaker 1: and seventy three yards. These are both wins. Bryce Young 290 00:15:12,640 --> 00:15:15,840 Speaker 1: for Carolina sixteen of twenty four for one hundred and 291 00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:19,320 Speaker 1: twenty one yards. What is it that we're seeing and 292 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:22,680 Speaker 1: this is becoming more and more than norm Why is 293 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:27,040 Speaker 1: it that we are now seeing short yardage passing games 294 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:31,040 Speaker 1: where you're getting guys that are completing twenty to twenty 295 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:33,000 Speaker 1: five passes but doing it for a total of one 296 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:35,800 Speaker 1: hundred and twenty five yards. 297 00:15:36,560 --> 00:15:40,560 Speaker 2: Well, I think there have to be some extenuating circumstances 298 00:15:40,600 --> 00:15:43,760 Speaker 2: for that to work. So you mentioned Carson Wentz for example. 299 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:47,280 Speaker 2: I believe they had two defensive touchdowns in that game. 300 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:51,640 Speaker 2: So that's an example of a scenario like, did you 301 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:52,320 Speaker 2: mention Wentz? 302 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:54,120 Speaker 4: No, you mentioned I did mention Wentz? Yeah. 303 00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:56,360 Speaker 1: I mean here, okay, Joe Flacco twenty one thirty six 304 00:15:56,520 --> 00:15:58,440 Speaker 1: hundred and forty two yards per standing on the former 305 00:15:58,520 --> 00:16:00,360 Speaker 1: cult team. But you get what I'm saying, Like, you 306 00:16:00,600 --> 00:16:04,320 Speaker 1: know what, it's almost like rhythm passing is now prioritized 307 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:05,640 Speaker 1: over deep ball passing. 308 00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:08,960 Speaker 2: I think it depends on the kind of game, right, 309 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:11,920 Speaker 2: I mean, we also saw a game last night where 310 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:15,120 Speaker 2: there were you know, like what eighty some odd points 311 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:18,920 Speaker 2: scored or something, or it's definitely seventy points, right, I 312 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:20,480 Speaker 2: forget off the top of my head. But the point is, 313 00:16:21,160 --> 00:16:22,960 Speaker 2: I think it depends. It depends on the kind of 314 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:28,080 Speaker 2: game you're talking about, and certain games will play out differently, 315 00:16:28,120 --> 00:16:32,200 Speaker 2: and I think coaches and play callers will govern themselves accordingly. 316 00:16:32,400 --> 00:16:35,480 Speaker 2: You know, the Browns and Placo a thirteen to ten game. 317 00:16:35,800 --> 00:16:38,600 Speaker 2: I think that's one where if the Packers aren't moving 318 00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:41,160 Speaker 2: the ball and you're the Browns and your defense is 319 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:43,560 Speaker 2: doing a hell of a job, like you have to 320 00:16:43,600 --> 00:16:46,200 Speaker 2: assume it was. I didn't see the game, Well, you're 321 00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:49,760 Speaker 2: going to probably call a conservative game. And I mean 322 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:53,040 Speaker 2: you think that's that's kind of a decision that probably 323 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:56,080 Speaker 2: is made in the moment, right, the Vikings, the defense 324 00:16:56,240 --> 00:16:59,480 Speaker 2: playing great, two defensive scores, the Bengals not moving the 325 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:02,480 Speaker 2: ball the other hand, Right, so you you govern yourself differently. 326 00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:06,600 Speaker 2: Even the Colts for some you know, to some extent. 327 00:17:06,680 --> 00:17:10,480 Speaker 2: Now they scored plenty of points, but when did Jonathan 328 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:13,399 Speaker 2: Taylor really take over that game in the second half 329 00:17:13,440 --> 00:17:16,480 Speaker 2: when they had a big lead, Right, So I would 330 00:17:16,520 --> 00:17:20,200 Speaker 2: say it it is game to game. But but what 331 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:23,520 Speaker 2: your what your point proves though, is that you you 332 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:27,399 Speaker 2: do have to be able to win different ways. And 333 00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:29,919 Speaker 2: I and I also think that the running game matters 334 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:30,359 Speaker 2: here too. 335 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:30,840 Speaker 5: Uh. 336 00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:33,960 Speaker 2: There's some fantastic running backs in the league right now, 337 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:37,080 Speaker 2: and that's they're a factor here too. Uh. The running 338 00:17:37,119 --> 00:17:40,280 Speaker 2: game is not dead, I'm happy to say, because I 339 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:43,840 Speaker 2: think that we we did overlook that and there was 340 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:46,200 Speaker 2: that whole period of like, oh, don't pay your running 341 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:48,480 Speaker 2: back because it won't be worth it. Well, I mean 342 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:52,120 Speaker 2: you think the Colts regret paying Jonathan Taylor right now? 343 00:17:52,119 --> 00:17:54,360 Speaker 2: I don't think we talk about that enough, right, I mean, 344 00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:58,000 Speaker 2: just two years ago they were at war with each other, 345 00:17:58,160 --> 00:18:01,399 Speaker 2: Jonathan Taylor and the Colts were at war. He and 346 00:18:01,480 --> 00:18:05,080 Speaker 2: his agent were telling me privately, Yeah we're done. 347 00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:06,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, trade right. 348 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:09,679 Speaker 2: I mean, I can be honest about it now. I mean, 349 00:18:09,800 --> 00:18:11,560 Speaker 2: where do people think my sources were? He was a 350 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:15,080 Speaker 2: freaking source, Okay? Right, So, like my point is this 351 00:18:17,280 --> 00:18:21,200 Speaker 2: that has paid off, I mean wonderfully all right. No 352 00:18:21,240 --> 00:18:24,280 Speaker 2: one was complaining about that when he was taking that 353 00:18:24,320 --> 00:18:26,560 Speaker 2: forty six yard run to the house on Sunday. So 354 00:18:26,920 --> 00:18:29,000 Speaker 2: I'm all over the place here, But I do think 355 00:18:29,480 --> 00:18:34,280 Speaker 2: there's lots of little factors and a good coaching and 356 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:36,760 Speaker 2: teams that are built the right way can win without 357 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:40,720 Speaker 2: maybe the big three hundred yard passing games. It's harder 358 00:18:40,760 --> 00:18:42,639 Speaker 2: to do, but it can be done. That's true. 359 00:18:42,760 --> 00:18:43,040 Speaker 4: Okay. 360 00:18:43,119 --> 00:18:48,400 Speaker 1: Lastly, Steven, Steven Holder, our guest. Through three weeks usually 361 00:18:48,520 --> 00:18:51,960 Speaker 1: like right about the time, is right about the time statistically, 362 00:18:52,040 --> 00:18:55,399 Speaker 1: certainly speaking, where you do start to get a better 363 00:18:55,440 --> 00:18:59,880 Speaker 1: idea as to who's legit and who's not. Okay, when 364 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:03,200 Speaker 1: you look right now at the NFL through game three 365 00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:08,000 Speaker 1: or week three, give me two teams, let's say, one 366 00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:10,439 Speaker 1: to the good and one to the bad whose record 367 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:13,080 Speaker 1: is a little misleading as to who they are because 368 00:19:13,320 --> 00:19:17,040 Speaker 1: either they've gotten off to a good record and you're like, yeah, 369 00:19:17,080 --> 00:19:20,000 Speaker 1: but you got to look below the surface that's maybe 370 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:22,600 Speaker 1: a little misleading, or one that that has gotten off 371 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:24,800 Speaker 1: to a slow start, but you have to look at 372 00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:28,040 Speaker 1: who they played or circumstances and say, don't work, don't 373 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:29,080 Speaker 1: sleep on them just yet. 374 00:19:31,720 --> 00:19:35,640 Speaker 2: So this will not be a popular answer, but I'm 375 00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:39,480 Speaker 2: gonna say it. I think the Colts have to prove 376 00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:42,240 Speaker 2: some things. They're three and zero and they have earned it. 377 00:19:42,560 --> 00:19:42,840 Speaker 4: Now. 378 00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:48,040 Speaker 2: The fact is the Titans and Dolphins, I mean they're 379 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:52,960 Speaker 2: combined oh and six. Okay, they haven't done anything. They've 380 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:55,720 Speaker 2: barely moved the ball this year. So I think we 381 00:19:55,800 --> 00:19:57,880 Speaker 2: need to find out that. That's why this Week four 382 00:19:57,920 --> 00:19:58,840 Speaker 2: game is so important. 383 00:19:58,920 --> 00:19:59,040 Speaker 5: Right. 384 00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:01,600 Speaker 2: That is not to suggest I don't believe in them. 385 00:20:01,680 --> 00:20:03,919 Speaker 2: I'm not saying that. I actually here's a reason to 386 00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:09,040 Speaker 2: believe in the Colts because they played two bad teams, yes, 387 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:13,360 Speaker 2: in the Dolphins and Titans, but they pounded them. I mean, 388 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:16,960 Speaker 2: they they did whatever they wanted. That is not the 389 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:20,080 Speaker 2: Colts team we are familiar with. We are familiar with 390 00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:23,439 Speaker 2: a Colts team that even just last year, when they 391 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:27,080 Speaker 2: were competing for the playoffs was just skating by the 392 00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:30,800 Speaker 2: Jets and Patriots. Right, So so this is a different 393 00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:33,879 Speaker 2: season for sure. So but let's see this is this 394 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:36,040 Speaker 2: is why this will be their biggest tests on the road. 395 00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:40,280 Speaker 2: Sean McVeigh, Matthew Stafford. Let's find out what they're made of. 396 00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:43,479 Speaker 2: On the other end, I guess a team that maybe 397 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:47,040 Speaker 2: is whose bad record is deceiving you think? Is that 398 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:52,600 Speaker 2: what you're saying? Yeah, you know, I want to say 399 00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:54,919 Speaker 2: the Houston Texans, but I don't know if I believe it. 400 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:59,879 Speaker 4: I think they might be. I agree times might. 401 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:02,840 Speaker 2: One side of my brain is like, well, duh, they're 402 00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:05,600 Speaker 2: not owing. They're not as bad as an three team. 403 00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:07,720 Speaker 4: Is Kansas City really one and two? You know what 404 00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:10,240 Speaker 4: I mean? Like, I know they are saying. 405 00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:16,280 Speaker 2: Now they're not are They don't scare you right now? 406 00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:19,399 Speaker 2: There's no question about that. Although I would say this 407 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:23,399 Speaker 2: Mahomes is the greatest winner I've seen outside of Tom Brady. 408 00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:26,640 Speaker 2: He just knows how to win. They know how to win. 409 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:30,840 Speaker 2: So look, we thought they were down late last year 410 00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:32,720 Speaker 2: and then what what they do? They went to the 411 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:36,280 Speaker 2: freaking Super Bowl right late last season. We were just 412 00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:38,679 Speaker 2: waiting for somebody to figure it out and beat them 413 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:41,040 Speaker 2: in the playoffs, and all they did was just win, 414 00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:45,639 Speaker 2: you know, so I never bury those guys. And I 415 00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:47,640 Speaker 2: think it's going to be one of the great storylines 416 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:50,720 Speaker 2: of the rest of this season is do the Chiefs 417 00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:55,280 Speaker 2: figure it out? Because either way, whether they're dead. They're 418 00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:57,600 Speaker 2: not dead, but whether they're whether they fall off, or 419 00:21:57,600 --> 00:21:59,760 Speaker 2: whether they make a run, it's a great story either 420 00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:02,800 Speaker 2: way because we're going to be paying attention. So I 421 00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:04,520 Speaker 2: am fascinated by it without question. 422 00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:07,240 Speaker 1: Can you imagine being a sports talk radio guy in 423 00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:09,920 Speaker 1: New Orleans You're talking about the oh to three Saints. 424 00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:12,720 Speaker 1: You wanted to deviate from it, so it's Pelican's chat time. 425 00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:14,399 Speaker 1: I mean, how miserable must that be? 426 00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:16,720 Speaker 4: Right? I guess it's all LSU all the time, right, 427 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:19,000 Speaker 4: and then you got to do it. 428 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:20,680 Speaker 2: Brian Kelly, there's that too. 429 00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:21,879 Speaker 4: I know. 430 00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:23,159 Speaker 2: I'm sorry. 431 00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:25,440 Speaker 4: Sorry Brian Kelly. 432 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:27,840 Speaker 2: By the way, I mean, he seems lovely, doesn't need 433 00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:28,600 Speaker 2: he seems lovely. 434 00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:30,720 Speaker 1: He has the most punishable face in college football. I 435 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:32,200 Speaker 1: don't know if I should say that, but I'm saying 436 00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:33,760 Speaker 1: it right. 437 00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:36,600 Speaker 2: I mean, the guy just bugs me. Man, I don't 438 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:39,840 Speaker 2: know what it is. That guy bothers me. I see him, 439 00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:41,560 Speaker 2: come on the screen. I want to see the channel. 440 00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:45,399 Speaker 1: Ryan Kelly, of course, has a famous tirade just a 441 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:47,840 Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago in a college football press conference, 442 00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:49,360 Speaker 1: and a guy that has perhaps one of the most 443 00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:52,000 Speaker 1: famous just found out that he's in the unemployment line. 444 00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:54,000 Speaker 1: I will tell you who that is, just a couple 445 00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:56,760 Speaker 1: of minutes from now. But Steven Holder, appreciate the time 446 00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:57,600 Speaker 1: as always. 447 00:22:57,600 --> 00:23:00,520 Speaker 4: Man. We'll talk to you soon, all right, all right, 448 00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:01,280 Speaker 4: I'll tell you soon. 449 00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:05,560 Speaker 1: All right, Stephen Holder joining us, Yes, joining us now 450 00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:08,080 Speaker 1: on the guest line. He is, I believe out in 451 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:11,159 Speaker 1: Las Vegas. From Fieldhouse file, Scott Agnes joining us tonight. 452 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:13,520 Speaker 1: It is the fever in Las Vegas. It is a 453 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:16,840 Speaker 1: nine to thirty tip. You'll hear Eddie with the pregame 454 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:22,560 Speaker 1: at nine fifteen. Scott, let's begin with this. I know 455 00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:27,159 Speaker 1: that the balloting says otherwise, but I think now it 456 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:30,200 Speaker 1: has been cemented, at least in the minds around here. 457 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:33,080 Speaker 1: Kelsey Mitchell is the most valuable player in the WNBA 458 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:33,480 Speaker 1: this year? 459 00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:33,879 Speaker 4: Is she not? 460 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:37,240 Speaker 5: It sure seems like it, But it all goes back 461 00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:39,880 Speaker 5: to that old adages, is who's most valuable versus who 462 00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:41,800 Speaker 5: had the best season, right, I guess right, Like we 463 00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:45,359 Speaker 5: talk about that every awards season. But to me, if anything, 464 00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:46,840 Speaker 5: I would have said in a Pieza Collier, if I 465 00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:48,560 Speaker 5: had a vote, I would have given it to her 466 00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:51,040 Speaker 5: given the fact that she had her best career year, 467 00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:54,239 Speaker 5: Minnesota was the best team. But if you take it 468 00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:57,520 Speaker 5: literally for its meaning most valuable, the Fever are nowhere 469 00:23:57,560 --> 00:23:59,800 Speaker 5: close to where they are right now, still playing with 470 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:01,800 Speaker 5: out Kelsey Mitchell. 471 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:06,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, the the way that she Kelsey Mitchell has been 472 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:10,760 Speaker 1: able to score in different areas, and you know whether 473 00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:13,080 Speaker 1: it be I mean, she's obviously very aggressive and very 474 00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:15,200 Speaker 1: quick at getting to the basket. She can shoot from 475 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:18,080 Speaker 1: the outside. One of the things that I'm curious about 476 00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:21,480 Speaker 1: Scott and we were talking about this earlier and it's 477 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:25,600 Speaker 1: hard to bring it up because it sounds like a 478 00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:29,200 Speaker 1: like a lazy narrative and be like it's an indicting 479 00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:32,119 Speaker 1: narrative on Caitlin Clark, which is not intended to be 480 00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:35,879 Speaker 1: at all. But when you look at the way that 481 00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:39,840 Speaker 1: they have played in the last month, are the Fever 482 00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:43,000 Speaker 1: right now playing better as a team than they did 483 00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:44,359 Speaker 1: at any point this year? 484 00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:48,920 Speaker 5: I think so, only because it felt like they never 485 00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:51,159 Speaker 5: the season never really got off its ground. 486 00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:52,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, fair, you. 487 00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:54,560 Speaker 5: Had so many issues and so I don't think we 488 00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:57,159 Speaker 5: ever saw the full potential or anything close to that. 489 00:24:57,640 --> 00:24:59,400 Speaker 5: I just I go back Jake to the first week 490 00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:03,360 Speaker 5: of training, came Aitlan and Demers don'ts. Both had injuries 491 00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:06,040 Speaker 5: and we're out, so right away you're dealing with that. 492 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:10,199 Speaker 5: But the remarkable thing is just how they've continued to 493 00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:12,880 Speaker 5: play at this high level. Like you keep thinking they're 494 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:15,320 Speaker 5: due for that thirty point blowout where you're just like, well, 495 00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:18,560 Speaker 5: it wasn't their night, but these games have all been competitive. 496 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:21,680 Speaker 5: They stayed in the fight that given all their limitations, 497 00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:24,119 Speaker 5: and I thought it was interesting. I was curious how 498 00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:26,520 Speaker 5: some of them have been holding up. So I even asked, 499 00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:28,520 Speaker 5: like the hole today just to shoot around, which we 500 00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:31,200 Speaker 5: just wrapped up, and she was like, yeah, my body 501 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:32,960 Speaker 5: is really going through it. I'm having to do all 502 00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:36,200 Speaker 5: these extra measures, but still no excuse for keep going. 503 00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:39,080 Speaker 5: But I can't imagine a player like her, or Mitchell 504 00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:42,960 Speaker 5: or Leah Boston. They've played in every game the physicality 505 00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:45,000 Speaker 5: to deal with, and I give a Leah Boston also 506 00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:46,760 Speaker 5: a lot of credit. I think she's played with a 507 00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:49,240 Speaker 5: lot more of an edge and a feistiness that has 508 00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:51,600 Speaker 5: carried her to a better performance here in this postseason 509 00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:52,040 Speaker 5: as well. 510 00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:52,359 Speaker 4: Scott. 511 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:55,600 Speaker 1: When you look at the injuries the Fever have had 512 00:25:56,080 --> 00:26:01,240 Speaker 1: and the number of roster commendation they've had to use, 513 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:06,400 Speaker 1: and Stephanie White having to, you know, at sometimes probably 514 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:11,920 Speaker 1: have name tags for everybody during practice. Have they reinvented 515 00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:14,879 Speaker 1: the style that they wanted to play or has it 516 00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:17,480 Speaker 1: been Look, this is who we are and this is 517 00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:20,000 Speaker 1: how we're going to play. It's just the faces are 518 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:20,800 Speaker 1: going to have to be different. 519 00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:25,360 Speaker 5: Yeah, they've made some small tweaks on the fringes and 520 00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:27,840 Speaker 5: I think especially early on a month ago when they 521 00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:30,679 Speaker 5: were bringing in, you know, three hardship players in a 522 00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:33,960 Speaker 5: matter of a week, they really had to simplify and 523 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:36,920 Speaker 5: even not have too much of an offense when many 524 00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:39,640 Speaker 5: of them are out there. But I think that has 525 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:42,560 Speaker 5: changed a ton going into this postseason. They had four 526 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:45,800 Speaker 5: days between games entering the playoffs, and so that was 527 00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:48,720 Speaker 5: the time finally where coach White and her staff had 528 00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:51,640 Speaker 5: time to add some new place and the main thing 529 00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:55,120 Speaker 5: she stressed was to become more unpredictable because she felt 530 00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:58,119 Speaker 5: like they were very very predictable leading up to that, 531 00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:00,880 Speaker 5: given what they had to do. And by the way, 532 00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:02,480 Speaker 5: I want to go back to Kelsey and we talk 533 00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:04,880 Speaker 5: about her offense. I think the thing that's shine through 534 00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:07,959 Speaker 5: too is the level in which she elevated her defensive 535 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:11,240 Speaker 5: play and taking on some of the best offensive players 536 00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:13,760 Speaker 5: on the other side this season as well. And then 537 00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:16,040 Speaker 5: I'd even add in a third thing to what's made 538 00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:18,959 Speaker 5: her season so spectacular, Jake, And that's while she's quiet 539 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:22,520 Speaker 5: by nature, kind of like a Pascal Siakam, she has 540 00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:26,800 Speaker 5: emerged and become a vocal leader and willing to speak 541 00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:30,240 Speaker 5: up at various times, more to the point where she's 542 00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:32,639 Speaker 5: certainly this one of the most valuable players in the 543 00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:34,760 Speaker 5: league with all that she does on the both ends 544 00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:35,720 Speaker 5: of the floor for this group. 545 00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:38,119 Speaker 1: And by the way, how good has honesty Simms been 546 00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:40,480 Speaker 1: as well, especially here in the postseason? 547 00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:43,520 Speaker 5: I think, right, yeah, I even asked Stephanie White about 548 00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:45,359 Speaker 5: that today and I'm like, how much of it is 549 00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:48,320 Speaker 5: just fit an opportunity? Because we talk about that with 550 00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:50,919 Speaker 5: these pros, right, how many times do you see some 551 00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:53,640 Speaker 5: elite level college player and then they just don't pan 552 00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:57,000 Speaker 5: out or maybe even take the Colts quarterback a like 553 00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:59,800 Speaker 5: it just doesn't pan out in the first stop or Daniel, 554 00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:03,040 Speaker 5: and you need that second opportunity to figure it out. 555 00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:05,440 Speaker 5: And honestly, Simms is a veteran player in this league, 556 00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:08,400 Speaker 5: but she was without a job for a month and 557 00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:10,840 Speaker 5: right away this team also wouldn't be where they are 558 00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:13,600 Speaker 5: without her, both with their scoring and I think so 559 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:15,760 Speaker 5: much of what she does is it's attacking and getting 560 00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:18,240 Speaker 5: the defense on their heels and then that opens things 561 00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:19,800 Speaker 5: up for everyone else along the perimeter. 562 00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:20,919 Speaker 4: Scott. 563 00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:23,600 Speaker 1: When you look at Scott Agnes's our guest Fieldhouse files, 564 00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:26,760 Speaker 1: you know, look Las Vegas and maybe one of the 565 00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:30,560 Speaker 1: things that benefited Indiana late in the year is some 566 00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:32,919 Speaker 1: of the players that they were having to go out 567 00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:37,080 Speaker 1: and acquire because they're veterans. They they've kind of been 568 00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:40,840 Speaker 1: through the rigger, right, and they've been through personal, you know, 569 00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:46,280 Speaker 1: journey to get to reinvent themselves and get this new 570 00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:48,880 Speaker 1: lease in terms of the minutes that they're getting, and 571 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:51,680 Speaker 1: maybe that also catapults Indiana a little bit. But let's 572 00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:55,080 Speaker 1: talk about from Las Vegas' standpoint. You know, they didn't 573 00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:57,840 Speaker 1: just the Fever win game one. I mean, they really 574 00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:01,280 Speaker 1: controlled and made a statement in game one, what adjustments 575 00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:04,680 Speaker 1: does Las Vegas do we anticipate seeing here in game two? 576 00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:08,280 Speaker 5: Yeah, I think the one we know is gonna just 577 00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:11,000 Speaker 5: happen naturally. Is we all expect Asia Wilson to do 578 00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:13,120 Speaker 5: what she does, being one of the best players in 579 00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:15,480 Speaker 5: the league, right, so everything else. First of all, to me, 580 00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:19,560 Speaker 5: it starts with them getting Indiana slowed down and fast break. 581 00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:23,520 Speaker 5: Fever were really able to dictate tempo and after especially 582 00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:25,600 Speaker 5: early on, where we saw the Aces miss so many 583 00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:28,240 Speaker 5: bunnies around the hoop and the Fever race down the floor, 584 00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:31,120 Speaker 5: and that's their style, their number one and fast break points. 585 00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:33,560 Speaker 5: They love to play fast. So I think the Aces 586 00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:38,440 Speaker 5: need to slow them down and really be able to then, 587 00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:42,040 Speaker 5: on the other end, not just be so dependent on Asia, 588 00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:44,320 Speaker 5: because that's what we saw during the regular season when 589 00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:47,440 Speaker 5: these teams two met. Asia was solid, but the rest 590 00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:51,239 Speaker 5: of the team were limited in what they contributed. So 591 00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:54,000 Speaker 5: that and then on top of that, I would add in, 592 00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:57,120 Speaker 5: can you keep Kelsey Mitchell to say twenty five points? 593 00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:00,360 Speaker 5: Which is impressive nonetheless, because I you know, for her 594 00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:02,720 Speaker 5: to go off for thirty four and for the rest 595 00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:05,160 Speaker 5: of the Fever players to contribute the ways in which 596 00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:08,400 Speaker 5: they did. I thought them limiting the Leah Boston was 597 00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:11,800 Speaker 5: a success, but she was so impactful in other ways. 598 00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:14,440 Speaker 5: But to me, it starts with scoring at a higher 599 00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:18,040 Speaker 5: clip than their forty percent and then slowing Indiana down 600 00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:20,440 Speaker 5: and making them work in the half court much more often. 601 00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:23,720 Speaker 5: It's so resembles the pacers right all this conversation, the 602 00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:26,600 Speaker 5: similarities and overlaps are remarkable to meet you. 603 00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:29,480 Speaker 1: No, I would agree with that. And also you know 604 00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:31,760 Speaker 1: it all coming together late right where then you look 605 00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:32,920 Speaker 1: at it and you go, man, how do we not 606 00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:36,480 Speaker 1: see this all year long coming like once they had solidarity? 607 00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:40,440 Speaker 1: You know, from the Las Vegas standpoint, I thought Asia 608 00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:43,840 Speaker 1: Wilson to your point, I mean, dynamic player, dynamic scorer, 609 00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:47,240 Speaker 1: did not score the ball well at least in terms 610 00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:50,400 Speaker 1: of offensive efficiency in Game one, but that kind of 611 00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:53,440 Speaker 1: led to a balance elsewhere. I thought that they got 612 00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:57,120 Speaker 1: did the aces you know from Evans for example, Jackie Young, 613 00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:01,320 Speaker 1: you know, can score the basketball, but did it almost 614 00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:04,600 Speaker 1: even though things were balanced out for Las Vegas? Is 615 00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:08,920 Speaker 1: it better served for Indiana if they're less spreading the wealth, 616 00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:12,520 Speaker 1: so to speak? And you almost want to just hone 617 00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:14,400 Speaker 1: in on Asia Wilson. Does that make sense? 618 00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:17,040 Speaker 5: Yeah, I was having that exact conversation this morning. It's like, 619 00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:19,840 Speaker 5: are you good with her going for thirty five and 620 00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:23,080 Speaker 5: no other player with like more than eight points? And 621 00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:26,400 Speaker 5: I think part of you are, absolutely because she's so 622 00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:29,040 Speaker 5: dangerous also in distributing the ball. But if it's just 623 00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:32,880 Speaker 5: her going and Aliyah, who's also from played at South Carolina, 624 00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:35,719 Speaker 5: so there's a lot of familiarity between those two players 625 00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:38,040 Speaker 5: who were really battling it out. To me, that's the 626 00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:41,800 Speaker 5: most fascinating matchup of this series. But yeah, I think 627 00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:43,600 Speaker 5: there's a lot of value in that, quite frankly. And 628 00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:46,160 Speaker 5: the player also they need is Chelsea Gray, who is 629 00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:49,680 Speaker 5: well regarded as maybe the best guard, point guard, best 630 00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:52,160 Speaker 5: passing guard in the league for the last several years. 631 00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:55,800 Speaker 5: And in that backcourt of Gray and Young for ass 632 00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:57,880 Speaker 5: to have success, I think needs to come up big time. 633 00:31:58,160 --> 00:31:59,960 Speaker 3: Scott, You've been around this team for most of the season, 634 00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:02,240 Speaker 3: whether it's practice, shoot aun or whatever. I don't want 635 00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:03,480 Speaker 3: to talk about her as the coach. I want to 636 00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:06,240 Speaker 3: talk about her as the person I know. Natalie Nicassi 637 00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:08,320 Speaker 3: won the Coach of the Year, even though Stephanie White 638 00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:10,280 Speaker 3: probably should have done it for just the x's and 639 00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:12,280 Speaker 3: o's and just what all she had to do to 640 00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:15,479 Speaker 3: put this team together so off the court as a person, 641 00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:18,239 Speaker 3: What did Stephanie White do to make this team so 642 00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:21,160 Speaker 3: collective and so together? Because I don't think he gets 643 00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:23,280 Speaker 3: talked about enough of the job that she's done of 644 00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:24,600 Speaker 3: just bringing this group together. 645 00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:27,280 Speaker 5: No, that's a good point. I think the reality is 646 00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:29,280 Speaker 5: in terms of like the voters and there's seventy two 647 00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:32,040 Speaker 5: is unless you're even those of us that are there 648 00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:35,200 Speaker 5: every day, we truly don't know all those little things 649 00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:38,040 Speaker 5: in the locker room and that they've gone through the hardshifts. 650 00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:40,400 Speaker 5: Even the fact that Stephanie White's mother in law passed 651 00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:41,880 Speaker 5: away and that's why she had to miss a couple 652 00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:45,840 Speaker 5: of games. In turn, that actually brought her in Kelsey 653 00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:50,160 Speaker 5: Mitchell closer because Mitchell lost her father last year, and 654 00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:52,520 Speaker 5: Kelsey was talking about this after last game, as they're 655 00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:56,360 Speaker 5: bonded by that shared experience and also their love of 656 00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:59,240 Speaker 5: basketball and things like that. To me, I think Stephanie 657 00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:01,200 Speaker 5: probably should have fit this third and the Coach of 658 00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:03,960 Speaker 5: the Year voting, just given all she's been through. But 659 00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:07,720 Speaker 5: I think number one, steph has empowered each player to 660 00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:10,160 Speaker 5: be the best versions of themselves. For example, you brought 661 00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:13,720 Speaker 5: up honestly Simms earlier. When honestly stops driving and it's deferring, 662 00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:17,440 Speaker 5: Steph jumps on her for the Hey, look, we need 663 00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:19,760 Speaker 5: you to be exactly who you are, because that's why 664 00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:22,360 Speaker 5: we brought you in. And Jake to your Jake's point earlier, 665 00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:27,520 Speaker 5: they specifically brought in veteran, playoff tested players because of 666 00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:31,280 Speaker 5: their inexperience and their their shortcomings elsewhere. At least they 667 00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:34,080 Speaker 5: wouldn't have to figure out big game experience on the fly. 668 00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:37,440 Speaker 5: But I think the confidence that Stephanie instills and all 669 00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:41,800 Speaker 5: the players, I think the relatability. She's won championships, She's 670 00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:45,240 Speaker 5: played at a high level. She knows this franchise inside 671 00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:47,240 Speaker 5: and out from her previous time here as a player 672 00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:50,480 Speaker 5: in coach, and so I think she takes the time 673 00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:52,520 Speaker 5: to get to know these players on a personal basis. 674 00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:55,760 Speaker 5: I go back to last fall, about a year ago. 675 00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:58,840 Speaker 5: The primary goal was to re sign Kelsey Mitchell, and 676 00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:01,080 Speaker 5: it was not a done deal, it was not a given, 677 00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:04,880 Speaker 5: and she poured into her both starting from my personal standpoint, 678 00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:08,160 Speaker 5: even before the basketball standpoint, and I think that has 679 00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:10,759 Speaker 5: really resonated with these players, because when you feel that 680 00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:14,840 Speaker 5: connection beyond basketball, it only helps what you're doing on 681 00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:17,560 Speaker 5: the court when things get tough, when you go through adversity. 682 00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:19,440 Speaker 4: Scott, there's been this. 683 00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:21,560 Speaker 1: I don't even know where this came about, but I 684 00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:25,319 Speaker 1: started reading a couple of months ago, mostly on social media, 685 00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:27,560 Speaker 1: which that's a dangerous enough place as it is. But 686 00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:31,319 Speaker 1: I start reading all these articles about how like, oh man, like, 687 00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:34,400 Speaker 1: people in the entertainment industry and in the hospitality industry 688 00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:36,440 Speaker 1: in Las Vegas are talking about how like nobody's going 689 00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:39,080 Speaker 1: to Vegas, and Vegas is dying and whatever else. I 690 00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:40,759 Speaker 1: have no idea if that's true. It's been a while 691 00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:43,920 Speaker 1: since I've been there, like a year or so, fact 692 00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:47,280 Speaker 1: or fiction. Like things seem slower on Las Vegas Boulevard. 693 00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:50,840 Speaker 5: I'd say fact for sure. I walked around the pool area, 694 00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:53,920 Speaker 5: about half of it was empty, now given it was 695 00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:57,120 Speaker 5: what Monday afternoon, but still here. I mean there's no 696 00:34:57,239 --> 00:34:59,799 Speaker 5: days or times of you know, people are here at 697 00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:03,520 Speaker 5: all times of the year. Usually there's it's bustling with conventions. 698 00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:06,759 Speaker 5: Maybe it's not a big convention season, but no, I 699 00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:09,840 Speaker 5: think that's definitely fact for sure, even though the airline 700 00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:11,000 Speaker 5: prices didn't reflect that. 701 00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:14,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, no, kidding, right, what's what's the temperature out there 702 00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:14,520 Speaker 4: right now? 703 00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:18,759 Speaker 5: Not too bad? I think it's like eighty five or so. Okay, yeah, No, 704 00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:21,520 Speaker 5: once you kind of get in the inside, you don't 705 00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:25,040 Speaker 5: really have an excuse to go outside. So so basically. 706 00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:26,359 Speaker 1: If you're walking around the pool and there's not many 707 00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:28,120 Speaker 1: people there, just more reason for you to walk around 708 00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:28,560 Speaker 1: on the thong. 709 00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:29,560 Speaker 4: Is that what you're getting at? 710 00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:33,080 Speaker 5: No, I will not be doing that whatsoever. I just 711 00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:35,719 Speaker 5: wanted to get some natural sunlight after feeling like you're 712 00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:37,120 Speaker 5: stuff inside for a couple. 713 00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:40,520 Speaker 1: Days, gotten his speedo, just hanging around walking around the strip, 714 00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:43,640 Speaker 1: all right, Scott, Tonight nine thirty it is the Aces 715 00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:45,879 Speaker 1: and the Fever nine to fifteen pregame on this show. 716 00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:47,759 Speaker 4: Appreciate it, man, you got it. 717 00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:48,160 Speaker 5: Thanks guys. 718 00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:50,480 Speaker 4: Scott Agnes joining us from Fieldhouse Files.