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Speaker 1: It's that it with the wind j Hammo Nigel Show.

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Speaker 2: Hello, my name is Nigel. Jason Hammer right over there

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Speaker 2: with a very special guest on the Hotline.

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Speaker 3: Investigative reporter and host of the Tony Kennet Cast and

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty four winner of the JD Vans a Lookingike Contest,

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Speaker 3: Tony Kennet joins us.

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Speaker 1: My man, how are you, gentlemen?

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Speaker 4: Is one of the only white men in his thirties

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Speaker 4: in the country with a beard.

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Speaker 1: I gotta tell you, it's a privilege to have won such.

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Speaker 4: An award, and I look forward to all of the

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Speaker 4: uniqueness that I'm going to bring to the table next year.

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Speaker 5: Congratulations.

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Speaker 3: So let's talk a little bit about your famous doppelganger,

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Speaker 3: the Vice President, along with Jared Kushner and Witko, they're

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Speaker 3: going to be going over to Pakistan for a little

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Speaker 3: come to Jesus meeting with the always trustworthy Iranians.

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Speaker 5: What do you think.

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Speaker 3: About what we've seen so far in the last twenty

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Speaker 3: four hours, Tony, the quote unquote cease fire. You know,

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Speaker 3: Iran and Israel still getting a little squirrely here.

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Speaker 5: What's your overall perspective.

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Speaker 4: I mean, my overall perspective is sitting back and watching

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Speaker 4: people declare that the world is over, that the world

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Speaker 4: has saved about every fifteen minutes, and I wonder how

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Speaker 4: exhausting that must be. I'm worried about a lot of

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Speaker 4: people who might have, you know, tonightis as well as

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Speaker 4: some serious wrist injuries from the pearl clutching.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, guys.

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Speaker 4: At some point, I think that when you see Trump

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Speaker 4: do the exact same move thirty seven times in a row,

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Speaker 4: you kind of start to expect things. Trump's saying, you know,

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Speaker 4: I'm going to knock you the bleep out to quote

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Speaker 4: Friday and then starting.

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Speaker 1: A little of it.

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Speaker 4: Then the Iranian or at least President Pajecki Stannard whatever

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Speaker 4: is privy pronounce his name.

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Speaker 1: I certainly don't know.

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Speaker 4: He got a little chicken, and from what I've heard

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Speaker 4: on the inside, the IRGC is really mad at the guy.

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Speaker 4: Jade Vance is kind of trying to use that a

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Speaker 4: little bit. Honestly, guys, I'm going to say, we're going

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Speaker 4: to have to see I don't know. I'm trying to

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Speaker 4: be a little more patience because it seems like that's

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Speaker 4: better than declaring nuclear war is tomorrow, bye today.

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Speaker 3: Right at eight am yesterday, Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, it was

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Speaker 3: loaded with everybody saying Trump is going to commit a

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Speaker 3: war crime.

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Speaker 5: It's going to be genocide.

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Speaker 3: Those same people by eight pm Tony were saying Trump

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Speaker 3: chickened out. I can't believe there's not going to be genocide.

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Speaker 3: Like in a span of twelve hours, they went from

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Speaker 3: I can't believe he's going to do this too, I

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Speaker 3: can't believe he didn't do it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I really appreciate that because it shows how little of

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Speaker 4: this is actually about the policy and the outcome. What

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Speaker 4: really comes into play here is orange man bad. Donald

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Speaker 4: Trump is gonna do something and I could cure cancer

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Speaker 4: and they wouldn't clap, they won't.

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Speaker 1: Stand And this is where we are again. Do you

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Speaker 1: want us to go through and finish the job?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 1: Okay?

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Speaker 4: Well Trump brings in the negotiations tactic again. It's the

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Speaker 4: same negotiation strategy he always used. And even if I

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Speaker 4: do or don't like the outcome, it doesn't matter. People

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Speaker 4: have already decided they're going to hate this or love

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Speaker 4: this based on who the guy is. That's exhausting, honestly,

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Speaker 4: you know, the social media sphere of that for sure.

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Speaker 4: But I'll say this, for all intents and purposes or

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Speaker 4: on coming out and acting as though they have won,

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Speaker 4: is really, really, really funny that one is.

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Speaker 1: That's worth a couple of yuckanhands.

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Speaker 5: I'll do that, right.

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Speaker 3: We knew this was going to happen, right, Like anybody

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Speaker 3: with two eyes in a functioning brain that's paid attention

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Speaker 3: over the last what twelve years that Donald Trump's been

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Speaker 3: involved in politics, knows he's going to talk a big game.

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Speaker 3: In the back of your mind, you kind of know

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Speaker 3: he's not bluffing, but it's probably a.

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Speaker 5: Bluff and you never know. That's how this was going

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Speaker 5: to play out.

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Speaker 3: But people on the YouTube chat, people on Twitter, they

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Speaker 3: were convinced that it was going to be a war

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Speaker 3: crime because he posted something on social media like these

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Speaker 3: people wear me out.

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Speaker 1: I love this.

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Speaker 4: We went from the combat search and rescue experts. Then

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Speaker 4: they took that costume off. They put on their twenty

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Speaker 4: fifth Amendment constitutional expert costumes. Then they put on their

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Speaker 4: nuclear war expert and war crime costumes. And it's like

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Speaker 4: every day someone is a new kind of expert. Have

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Speaker 4: you guys noticed this? On social media? You'll post something

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Speaker 4: and then all of these armchair experts, right You're like, actually,

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Speaker 4: only according to the nineteen forty two herea dy of

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Speaker 4: hubooty and you're like, where did you come from?

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Speaker 1: And what did you just google? No one knows what

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Speaker 1: they're talking about.

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Speaker 4: These are the people who watched the second segment of

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Speaker 4: Adam schiff On Stephen Colbert, and.

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Speaker 3: There's a guy like right now on the YouTube chat.

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Speaker 3: But do you like the outcome? I'm alright with it

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Speaker 3: right now. Talks are progress, Talks are okay. There's a

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Speaker 3: ceasefire technically with the United States and the world's largest

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Speaker 3: state sponsor of terror. There's a big meeting setup. I

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Speaker 3: consider that to be processed. But people hate Donald Trump

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Speaker 3: so much that if this thing does come to a

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Speaker 3: decent resolution, Tony, they're going to bend themselves backwards, stick

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Speaker 3: their head as far into their own anus as possible

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Speaker 3: to find a way to be so offended.

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Speaker 4: Look, I'm as much a fan of the colonoscopy contortionists

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Speaker 4: as much as the next guy. But in this particular instance,

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Speaker 4: I'm going to level to answer that question and say

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Speaker 4: I'm still waiting on the outcome.

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Speaker 1: We're still in the thick of it.

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Speaker 4: So far, what we've seen is akin to the Operation

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Speaker 4: Desert Storm style of tactics used, and so far I've

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Speaker 4: seen a huge amount of success on the military side

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Speaker 4: of things, aside from the social media propaganda speaking to

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Speaker 4: contacts that I have over there on the ground, and

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Speaker 4: what's being reported of course, with the arming of the Kurds,

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Speaker 4: with kind of reshaping how certain things move, with kind

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Speaker 4: of the goalf alliances in the Middle East. Those are

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Speaker 4: huge things, and they obviously have to be communicated here

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Speaker 4: on the home front, because you know, pr is half

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Speaker 4: here and say, well, are we really going to hold

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Speaker 4: to this ceasefire? I mean, UAE is currently trying to

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Speaker 4: to have to see if either there's going to be

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Speaker 4: attempt to probably remove their own pseudo secular president. I

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Speaker 4: think there's probably some bad blood inside the country at

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Speaker 3: But there are talks though right now, right, and I

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Speaker 3: feel like talks are progressed. This is better than planes

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Speaker 3: between shot and out of the air and people dying.

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Speaker 5: Right.

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Speaker 4: There are talks between President Poseecion and the United States,

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Speaker 4: not between the IRGC and the president of the United States.

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Speaker 5: That's what I'm talking about, the United States, Yes.

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Speaker 1: Right, right, So that's the catch.

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Speaker 4: So there are talks, and I think this is a

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Speaker 4: and again there's not a whitewashing in the way that

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Speaker 4: I'm trying to phrase this. I believe the United States

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Speaker 4: might be trying to wedge, to put a wedge between

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Speaker 4: the somewhat secular structure of the government of Iran left

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Speaker 4: s Nazish theological combat troops. That's what the IRGC is, right,

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Speaker 4: They're that paramilitary religious police force.

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Speaker 1: The besiege.

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Speaker 4: I think that's what might be trying to occur here,

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Speaker 4: and that is gun running has taken a little bit

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Speaker 4: stalling tactic, but that's me thinking. I don't I'm not

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Speaker 4: making a big prediction yet because I'm kind of hanging

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Speaker 2: And Himmer mentioned these guys at the beginning. We're talking

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Speaker 2: at Kushner's back in the picture. That guy Witkoff is

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Speaker 2: back in the picture. These guys have negotiated several different

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Speaker 2: the endings of several different wars during Donald Trump's first

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Speaker 2: year as president, and they're very important and very instrumental

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Speaker 2: in what's going on right now with Iran? Are they

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Speaker 2: being I mean they're having some success, correct, I mean

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Speaker 2: I really having some.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's absolutely true.

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Speaker 4: Steve Witkoff brings the carrot and then Trump is peeking

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Speaker 4: over the horizon with the stick, going.

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Speaker 1: You want to see how this feels as a suppository.

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Speaker 4: And I think that's genuinely that the carrot gets smaller

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Speaker 4: every time you come to the table. This is Trump

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Speaker 4: literally has done this exact same thing for thirty five

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Speaker 4: forty years. And I don't even like all the decisions

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Speaker 4: But it's not as though he's playing some brand new

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Speaker 4: strategy we've ever seen. When Bobby Knight strolled up to

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Speaker 4: because it worked, and Trump is the exact same way,

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Speaker 4: come win or lose, you know, hell or high water,

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Speaker 3: And Tony as a consumer of all things media. I'm

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Speaker 3: gonna play you a little clip that was on Lawrence

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Speaker 3: O'Donnell's program on MS NOW last night, the artist formerly

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Speaker 3: known as MSNBC. He's very upset at Pete Hegzith, not

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Speaker 3: because of a strategy, but because that's something he said

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Speaker 3: in regards to that missing fighter pilot.

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Speaker 6: That brilliant rescue was described by the Secretary of Defense

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Speaker 6: and by General Dan Kine, the Chairman of the Joint

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Speaker 6: Chiefs of Staff, as a longstanding American military rule of

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Speaker 6: never leaving anyone behind.

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Speaker 1: We leave no man behind.

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Speaker 6: That is, of course, the old school version of the idea,

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Speaker 6: back when only men flew American military planes.

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Speaker 5: Oh boy.

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Speaker 6: General Dan Kane, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff,

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Speaker 6: put it this way, we leave no one behind. The

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Speaker 6: General knows, unlike Pete Hegseth, that that could have been

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Speaker 6: a woman they were trying to rescue, and it might

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Speaker 6: be a woman the next time.

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Speaker 3: So he's very upset that Pete Hegzith said no man

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Speaker 3: left behind. What he should have said no people left behind, Tony.

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Speaker 4: The pro clutching throughout the last couple of weeks has

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Speaker 4: been just the gayest, saddest nonsense I've heard in my

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Speaker 4: entire life. We all know again, this isn't some brand new,

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Speaker 4: super duper secret of the political sphere. You guys do

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Speaker 4: know that mankind means both men and women, like it's

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Speaker 4: part of the same species.

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Speaker 1: Everyone knows this. It's good Lord, I just.

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Speaker 3: Remember that, remember when that was classic in Washing classic?

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh.

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Speaker 4: Every time we have someone come out to do this

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Speaker 4: little social media or excuse my social warrior, little struggle session,

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Speaker 4: I'm reminded how fortunate I am that Kamala Harris is

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Speaker 4: currently not in charge of the country, this kind where

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Speaker 4: decisions in the military are made based on skirts and

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Speaker 4: chest feeding instead of actual military competency, because again, that's

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Speaker 4: the only thing that matters.

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Speaker 1: Not He's then we leave no man behind.

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Speaker 4: Clearly because Trump fired Bondy, he's going to abandon women

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Speaker 4: in Iran.

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Speaker 1: No, no, no, that was the Biden administration.

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Speaker 2: Who hammer honest question, you too, Tony, who would watch

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Speaker 2: that and say to themselves, great point, hilarry, that is

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Speaker 2: just amazing outstanding insight.

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Speaker 3: That's even better though, when you were yelling stop the hammering,

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Speaker 3: I like this better.

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Speaker 1: I really again.

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Speaker 4: So, I was having a conversation with a kind of

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Speaker 4: like an advertiser the other day who wanted to air

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Speaker 4: something on the show, and I asked him a question

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Speaker 4: you probably shouldn't ask when you're negotiating on ads, which is,

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Speaker 4: why would you even want to advertise with me? Like,

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Speaker 4: I mean, come on, why would you even waste your time?

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Speaker 4: And the answer is, we're getting better ratings than some

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Speaker 4: of these major shows. And as much as I'd love

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Speaker 4: to claim that, you know, we're all such amazing and

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Speaker 4: talented broadcasters, our competition sucks so bad. They are whining

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Speaker 4: about the phrase no man left behind. I wouldn't want

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Speaker 4: to advertise on that show. You couldn't get my product

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Speaker 4: within a million feet of that show unless I'm selling

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Speaker 4: police tape. What's coming up on your show tonight, Tony, Well,

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Speaker 4: we're returning from a record setting show yesterday to talk

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Speaker 4: a little bit about Abigail Spanberger giving school teachers red

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Speaker 4: flag gun confiscation law authority, and then, of course, my

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Speaker 4: personal favorite this one, Lady ate so much at one

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Speaker 4: of the sushi restaurants that they had to shut the

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Speaker 4: place down and they tried to sewer for overeating.

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Speaker 1: Now it's not very King news, but you know that is.

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Speaker 1: It's hard hitting journalism.

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Speaker 3: Find him on social media at the Tonis and Tonight

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Speaker 3: seven pm the Tony Kennick Cast right after our show, Tony,

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Speaker 3: thank you.

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Speaker 1: You guys are the best.