Speaker 1: The Frames Per Second Podcast.
Speaker 2: Welcome to another episode of the Frames Per Second Podcast.
Speaker 2: We are back doing our weekly recaps on Lanterns. And
Speaker 2: we are here for Season 1, Episode 3. This episode
Speaker 2: is titled Outcast. And with me I have Ken.
Speaker 3: Hola. And Spike Lue.
Speaker 1: What up, though?
Speaker 3: What's happening, man?
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, we here for another week. So let's get
Speaker 2: right into it. Ken, what's your overall thoughts of this episode?
Speaker 4: Loved it.
Speaker 1: I think even though we're only three episodes in, it
Speaker 1: is the best episode of the season so far. I
Speaker 1: think they did a good job of kind of giving
Speaker 1: us a lot of meaningful information on Jon Stewart in
Speaker 1: this one. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: So I think they did a good job.
Speaker 3: Spike Lee, how you feeling?
Speaker 1: Same.
Speaker 3: I love the episode, man. Got the white folks mad.
Speaker 3: I didn't really think about it. I didn't really think
Speaker 3: about it while I was watching it. It crossed my
Speaker 3: mind a split second, and then I got some text
Speaker 3: today from some people. It was like, butthurt about this show. So, yeah,
Speaker 3: I liked it, man. I liked all of it.
Speaker 1: White people?
Speaker 3: The backstory. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
Speaker 3: White person was butthurt about it.
Speaker 4: Hmm.
Speaker 3: That's insane, man. That's really insane.
Speaker 2: But I did feel, I was like, damn, this episode black.
Speaker 3: It did feel black. You felt it, watching it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was like, yeah, this is, yeah, it felt good, uh, watching.
Speaker 3: So I'm with you, Ken. I loved it.
Speaker 2: Um, especially, man, y'all know, if you, if you really
Speaker 2: know me, you know I love OutKast, so to have OutKast, uh,
Speaker 2: like a part of the episode, man, I was in there,
Speaker 2: I was sitting there happy as hell. Um, but, uh, Yeah,
Speaker 2: Nick might join us. He got a little technical difficulties
Speaker 2: he's working on, so he may join us later on.
Speaker 2: But I'm going to use his notes, y'all. So this
Speaker 2: could go great or this could go.
Speaker 1: We.
Speaker 2: Got the Nick sauce on these notes, so we're going
Speaker 2: to see how it go. But we start off the
Speaker 2: episode with us going back to 2016 and we see
Speaker 2: Jon Stewart falling from the sky, landing into a sea.
Speaker 3: Of mattresses to break his fall.
Speaker 2: To what we learned is the first official meeting of
Speaker 2: the guardians for him. What did y'all think of our
Speaker 2: first introduction of one of the guardians? And what did
Speaker 2: y'all learn about their background?
Speaker 1: I liked it. I thought that it was, the way
Speaker 1: they did this was really, really, really good because he's
Speaker 1: falling out of the sky and then he's walking in
Speaker 1: office and he's sitting down. And you see these jumps
Speaker 1: to where they're using like the daylight to kind of
Speaker 1: tell the story of how time is elapsing. And I'm like, man,
Speaker 1: he must really want that job. I didn't even think
Speaker 1: for whatever reason that it was the guardians there and
Speaker 1: for the guardians to, to be there and, and for
Speaker 1: him to like be awake and aware that whole time
Speaker 1: really showed his, his dedication and, Um, and president is like,
Speaker 1: he really, he really, really wanted to get this job
Speaker 1: and one of the interviews for this job. I thought
Speaker 1: what the guardian said, especially given all the, the, the
Speaker 1: blowback to this was really interesting when he was having
Speaker 1: that conversation about her in the forum or the, with
Speaker 1: the guardian, I should say, and the form of the
Speaker 1: guardian took. And he said, this is more comfortable to
Speaker 1: the people in the, on Earth. Which, ironically enough, just
Speaker 1: happened to be a white person and a white woman
Speaker 1: at that. So, but they must not know about the
Speaker 1: way white women have been treated in this country, too.
Speaker 4: But either way I go, you know, I thought that
Speaker 4: was interesting.
Speaker 3: What do you mean the way white women have been treated?
Speaker 3: I'm kind of... If they want to come off non-threatening, right,
Speaker 3: if they want to come off non-threatening in how she
Speaker 3: was trying to portray it, then she took the perfect form.
Speaker 3: middle-aged white woman. But I like this. I like the
Speaker 3: whole explanation of it. I like the sitting there in
Speaker 3: the office the whole day. All of this was good.
Speaker 3: It speaks to someone new like me watching this. This
Speaker 3: is giving me the backstory. I didn't feel lost once
Speaker 3: this episode. It helped me understand the previous two episodes
Speaker 3: and the relationship that he has with Hal. Is that
Speaker 3: his name? Mm-hmm. Yeah, the relationship he has with Hale. Like, exactly. Like,
Speaker 3: I'm getting it now. Like, oh, okay. You can go, Flacco.
Speaker 2: How disrespectful would it be to go to a job
Speaker 2: interview and they leave you in the office overnight?
Speaker 4: Bro.
Speaker 3: And they come back and ask you, are you still here? Oh,
Speaker 3: you still here? Fight somebody.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't need that job, bro.
Speaker 3: Bro, I don't need that job. Nah, not that bad, bro. Nah,
Speaker 3: not at all. I just thought it was somebody that
Speaker 3: would be honest with you. That's true, too. I'm taking somebody.
Speaker 3: I believe it was something like this. He'll see. Something.
Speaker 3: If it's just a stapler, Ken, I got to have it.
Speaker 4: Damn, Spike.
Speaker 2: So who's the white man that came out of the
Speaker 2: room when John was talking, walking in? Do y'all know?
Speaker 4: Mm-mm. I thought it was just another ordinary white man.
Speaker 3: Nah, he's somebody. I watched the recap and they were
Speaker 3: talking about him.
Speaker 2: Oh, so he is somebody?
Speaker 3: Mm-hmm. They said his name is some old shit. I mean, overall,
Speaker 3: I liked all this.
Speaker 2: I was already excited for this episode because I saw
Speaker 2: the preview in the last week and I knew we
Speaker 2: were going to focus on Jon Stewart. So I was like,
Speaker 2: all right, we can get a lot more story about
Speaker 2: why the hell this dude was getting shot like his
Speaker 2: daddy was shooting a gun at the apple off his head.
Speaker 2: I knew we were going to get a lot more
Speaker 2: backstory about John.
Speaker 3: So I was, I was really excited about that. So
Speaker 3: when we.
Speaker 2: Started here and he was doing the interview, I was like,
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, they can definitely give us flashbacks into his
Speaker 2: psyche and who he was. Um, did, did it make
Speaker 2: sense to y'all why the guardians wanted to do a
Speaker 2: in-person interview rather than just let the ring shoes people?
Speaker 3: Spike? Yeah. Based off, uh, The villain or the last
Speaker 3: person that we know? It seems that they are vetting
Speaker 3: people because they want people to do what they say.
Speaker 3: They're looking for somebody that's loyal versus somebody that's just
Speaker 3: got the power to yield the ring. So I learned
Speaker 3: it in my little recap video watches that this is
Speaker 3: the first time that they did this. They met in
Speaker 3: person with them and talked to them versus the ring choosing.
Speaker 4: I thought it was because humans are flawed and they
Speaker 4: didn't know that.
Speaker 3: What I saw it said that they knew humans were
Speaker 3: flawed and they're trying to figure out how to interact.
Speaker 1: With them okay so they're switching up their process this
Speaker 1: go around because of how Jordan's.
Speaker 4: Still his lingering connection with Sinestro.
Speaker 2: Okay at first I didn't take it that way until
Speaker 2: I could actually told us and then explain it a
Speaker 2: little more I thought it was more so just a formality.
Speaker 3: Because it seemed like.
Speaker 2: When we saw it in episode one, how attached she
Speaker 2: was to being a Green Lantern, I thought maybe like
Speaker 2: there was something else that happened in between that time.
Speaker 2: So for me, I didn't really look at it as
Speaker 2: the how point that they later revealed. I thought maybe
Speaker 2: just somewhere along the lines, like they just like, oh,
Speaker 2: we don't get, because at this point, obviously I don't
Speaker 2: know lore. Cause they've been well actually in the fuck
Speaker 2: out of me and Nick, but more so Nick, Nick,
Speaker 2: Nick's a fan. So they've been getting Nick ass, but, um,
Speaker 2: so yeah, right now I'm just like, okay, I'm going
Speaker 2: to go on.
Speaker 3: It's just like you spike.
Speaker 2: I'm just as lost as you, as far as the Lord,
Speaker 2: I'm just acting like I don't know anything at this point.
Speaker 2: Cause I really don't. Uh, so I didn't, I thought
Speaker 2: it was maybe a formality in essence. Um, was John
Speaker 2: cocky or confident in his interview with the guardian?
Speaker 3: I think it was a little bit of both. And
Speaker 3: right from the start, once they showed us all the
Speaker 3: shit that he'd like, he'd been training for this since
Speaker 3: he was five years old. I think that you're going
Speaker 3: to have some level of confidence. If you've been training
Speaker 3: for something since she was five, like you ain't going
Speaker 3: to be able to hide it.
Speaker 1: Hmm. Uh, He was very sure of himself. So I
Speaker 1: would say confident. Yeah, I would say confident. That's his purpose.
Speaker 1: He believed in his purpose and his destiny. So he
Speaker 1: wasn't raised or trained to do anything else. And you
Speaker 1: see people like.
Speaker 4: Last question for.
Speaker 3: You broke it.
Speaker 4: There you go. Yeah, yeah, that's all right.
Speaker 1: It can come across as cocky, but no, I think
Speaker 1: he was just really sure of himself and extremely confident.
Speaker 3: I think this is where, like, we get the first.
Speaker 2: Well, based on the questions that Nick has prepared, I
Speaker 2: think if this came across your mind, this would be
Speaker 2: the first time in the episode where being black plays
Speaker 2: a major part to me because... You know, white men
Speaker 2: can walk in a room and be arrogant and it
Speaker 2: is considered cocky or confident. You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 2: But when black men actually have this feature or even
Speaker 2: as a black person, a black woman to like is
Speaker 2: viewed differently. It's like you're not supposed to feel so
Speaker 2: sure yourself. You're not supposed to feel like it's a
Speaker 2: guarantee to have this.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 2: So to even be in this position of saying confident
Speaker 2: or cocky, I think that speaks to the blackness, like
Speaker 2: the blackness and like how we have to be a
Speaker 2: certain way in a room. But he was, I feel
Speaker 2: like he's just confident. Like, I worked my whole life
Speaker 2: off of this shit. Like, that's like, I know I'm prepared.
Speaker 2: There's no reason I shouldn't get it. I am prepared
Speaker 2: for this. If I don't get it, I'm pretty sure
Speaker 2: it would have broke him. Because we see later on, like,
Speaker 2: and he thought it wasn't going to work. But I
Speaker 2: don't think he would have been like, I deserve that.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 2: It was just like, well, I.
Speaker 3: Did all the work.
Speaker 2: And I think that's the difference between being confident. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's the difference between being cocky and confident. Cocky is like,
Speaker 2: You think you deserve everything that comes to you as
Speaker 2: compared to being comedy. Like, I worked my ass off
Speaker 2: and I prepared for it. And that's what I felt
Speaker 2: like Jon Stewart felt like.
Speaker 3: That's a good point. Is this a thing in the comics? Like,
Speaker 3: this playing on his blackness at all? Or is this
Speaker 3: just for the show?
Speaker 2: So, based off the racism that I saw today, that
Speaker 2: I sent y'all as far as, like, them review bombing, everything.
Speaker 2: And they were like, why they got to put race
Speaker 2: in it? People were dropping panels where basically Jon Stewart
Speaker 2: talks about race, like the Greenlanders talk about race, like
Speaker 2: his race. They even talk about how Hal Jordan is
Speaker 2: racist in the comics. So it's a part.
Speaker 3: Of the Lord. That's what I thought. I was like,
Speaker 3: they wouldn't just add this shit in here if it
Speaker 3: didn't have something to do with the comics, I thought.
Speaker 3: Because that's what I was explaining to the person texting me.
Speaker 3: I was like, bro, you didn't even watch it. You're
Speaker 3: just looking at clips and you're talking about Oh, they
Speaker 3: forcing this in. He's like, no, it made sense. It
Speaker 3: made sense within what they was doing.
Speaker 2: Man, people do this, bro. Tell me you the ism
Speaker 2: without telling me you the ism. Like, that's really all
Speaker 2: I hear when niggas do this. Just say you're racist
Speaker 2: and you don't fuck with black people. That's all you
Speaker 2: gotta tell me, bro.
Speaker 3: All right, cool. You ain't gotta give me all these
Speaker 3: other complaints. Just say you're racist. All right, cool.
Speaker 2: I'll respect that more than you lying about all this
Speaker 2: other shit. but it's it's similar akin to i like
Speaker 2: people be like i don't want politics in my comics
Speaker 2: and it's like nigga comics are political like like niggas
Speaker 2: put messaging in it x-men was political like all this
Speaker 2: shit is political and you don't you don't want politics
Speaker 2: and wokeness in your shit but that's what it's.
Speaker 3: Just we don't agree with when they don't agree with
Speaker 3: the politics that's when they oh why is this in here.
Speaker 2: Exactly niggas are root for captain america but they don't
Speaker 2: want politics in their comics.
Speaker 1: You know, I think for that particular individual, I think
Speaker 1: it would help them to watch the episode so they
Speaker 1: can have full context if they can stomach it. Because
Speaker 1: I don't think it was really, I think they did
Speaker 1: a really good job of kind of talking about these issues,
Speaker 1: but not coming across very messagey, if you ask me.
Speaker 1: From how I viewed it, there was just commentary here
Speaker 1: and there about certain things that that particular person has
Speaker 1: to do or realize that his place in the world.
Speaker 1: But outside of that, it was, it didn't seem like
Speaker 1: it was that, that heavy handed.
Speaker 3: It was not. And I agree with you. And that's
Speaker 3: what I, this person would agree with you too, but
Speaker 3: they just listening to the feedback from people who did
Speaker 3: watch it and feel that way. So they kind of,
Speaker 3: like you said, if they can stomach it. So now
Speaker 3: they got this thing in the head where they won't
Speaker 3: watch it because they feel like it's just certain way.
Speaker 3: that these people who hated it are presenting it, versus
Speaker 3: it wasn't really heavy-handed at all. Like, I did feel
Speaker 3: like Jalen, yeah, it was a black episode, but it wasn't, like, preachy.
Speaker 3: It wasn't like some other stuff that I've seen that's
Speaker 3: way more overt than this is. So I just thought
Speaker 3: it was normal. It was part of the story that
Speaker 3: they were telling. They didn't force this in here.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Go ahead, Kim. You know, I'm just going to say,
Speaker 1: you know, he was created at a time where when
Speaker 1: he was created, they couldn't just not address it. You know,
Speaker 1: when they created this character, like it is part of
Speaker 1: who he is. It is part of Earth's history. So
Speaker 1: to just act like it didn't exist, as Jenna was
Speaker 1: saying earlier, it would be kind of crazy because that's
Speaker 1: not realistic at all.
Speaker 2: I was watching Justice League and the league goes back
Speaker 2: in time and Jon Stewart meets his comic book group
Speaker 2: that basically he grew up reading and he ends up
Speaker 2: teaming up with them and one of the dudes says,
Speaker 2: you're a credit to your race, son.
Speaker 3: And he's like, huh? Thank you. So it's like it's.
Speaker 2: Always been here, but people just it's just the climate
Speaker 2: that we in. Everybody wants to point it out. You
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying? And I guess the other part
Speaker 2: is when you don't really completely relate to something, you
Speaker 2: feel like it's a tack low key, especially when everything
Speaker 2: else has been.
Speaker 3: Relatable for them. And I was like, oh, oh my God,
Speaker 3: they make it a left turn, but.
Speaker 2: I don't relate to everything going on.
Speaker 3: And it's like, all right.
Speaker 2: But yeah, this was a great episode. I'm going to
Speaker 2: fuck who think otherwise. Like for real. Um, so we
Speaker 2: traveled back in time and we see that when John
Speaker 2: was a baby, we get a look at his father,
Speaker 2: who was actually chosen to be the Green Lantern, but
Speaker 2: he was too afraid to take the job offer.
Speaker 3: Any of y'all laugh at this scene? Wait, what was
Speaker 3: y'all laughing at? Which part? The funniest part.
Speaker 1: To me was when he was trying to explain to
Speaker 1: his wife why he was scared.
Speaker 3: She was like, what the fuck is this supposed to mean?
Speaker 1: I'm in a green ass bubble and I'm floating out
Speaker 1: the goddamn bed.
Speaker 3: Of course I'm afraid. Well, that's some black shit, too.
Speaker 3: That's some nigga shit right there.
Speaker 2: Fuck, I ain't gonna be happy I'm in this shit, nigga.
Speaker 3: This whole thing, how they played this out, because even
Speaker 3: when she realized it later, she was so sorry. She
Speaker 3: was like, man, I'm I thought this motherfucker was crazy. Like,
Speaker 3: he telling us he got abducted by aliens and shit.
Speaker 3: That nigga crazy. But, like, I love how all of
Speaker 3: this played out, and it was black as hell. Like
Speaker 3: you said, like, just how he explained it, Ken, it
Speaker 3: was like a nigga would, like, man, God, what?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm scared.
Speaker 3: Like, what the fuck is he talking about? Yes, I'm scared. Shit.
Speaker 3: I'm scared the fuck out of her. Yeah, fuck that. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm like, I like this shit. Yeah, Lil Murda ain't
Speaker 3: know what to do, bruh. I ain't watched it, but
Speaker 3: I know he said that was him.
Speaker 2: Nah, I didn't laugh, but I mean, internally, I was
Speaker 2: thinking like, He ain't lying. I can't imagine being in
Speaker 2: my bed and a green bubble would put me up
Speaker 2: and ask, are you afraid?
Speaker 3: Fuck yeah, I'm afraid.
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 3: Like a nigga with you and with a gun. I
Speaker 3: thought y'all knew that. Ken, I would have thought they
Speaker 3: had the mind reading thing. If I lie, I die.
Speaker 3: That's why I'm like, yes, nigga, I'm scared. I ain't like, yes.
Speaker 4: Put me down, shit.
Speaker 2: It's like you waking up to a gun like Tariq
Speaker 2: and Power.
Speaker 3: Yes, nigga, I'm afraid. Okay.
Speaker 2: That's a hell of a way.
Speaker 3: To interview, bro.
Speaker 1: I don't want this job.
Speaker 3: I'm good. Actually, you know what? No, thank you. I'm good.
Speaker 2: Hey, but he had it like a nigga after the fact, too,
Speaker 2: because you said, like, talking to his wife, like, man,
Speaker 2: if it was another time, if that nigga would have
Speaker 2: came at me on another day, it would have been
Speaker 2: a totally different story.
Speaker 3: He caught me at the wrong time on the wrong day.
Speaker 3: I really just wasn't expecting that the day I would
Speaker 3: have it on the day. Like, hey, listen, let him
Speaker 3: come back. Let him come back. It's funny. Oh, it's good.
Speaker 3: But now, what did y'all learn?
Speaker 2: What did y'all think about what happened next when John's
Speaker 2: father had like a slight mental breakdown and like realizing
Speaker 2: that he basically missed like the biggest job offer? What
Speaker 2: did y'all think of his mind state at that point?
Speaker 1: So it was. He realized that he missed out on
Speaker 1: a great opportunity. And then he saw it was given
Speaker 1: to a white man. So who knows what he was
Speaker 1: thinking in addition to that? Like this white man got
Speaker 1: picked up and he was like, I'm not afraid. But
Speaker 1: yet when I come and then I didn't get the job.
Speaker 1: So I got, I lost this job to, to a
Speaker 1: white man. And, you know, it was a, it was
Speaker 1: an opportunity that he missed out on and.
Speaker 4: He struggled to adjust to that.
Speaker 1: So there was this sort of, regret um that that
Speaker 1: he had because he he didn't get the opportunity that
Speaker 1: that he felt like belonged to him so uh so
Speaker 1: yeah and and he he couldn't adjust to that and
Speaker 1: he was weighing down on everybody in the family and
Speaker 1: you know taking this outside of that like because of
Speaker 1: that thing he became a broken man and you know
Speaker 1: it it and we'll get to the woman but she
Speaker 1: had to hold this shit together because the External factors outside,
Speaker 1: some that were not in his control, had a pretty
Speaker 1: traumatic effect on him from a mental standpoint. And he
Speaker 1: couldn't take it. And he brought all that shit back
Speaker 1: home to the point where he was losing his whole family. So, yeah,
Speaker 1: it was a big moment.
Speaker 3: Agreed, man. And they did a good job. Because it
Speaker 3: was subtle. It wasn't overhanded. They didn't sit in it
Speaker 3: too long and make it this emotional thing. But they
Speaker 3: did a really good job of showing how impactful it was.
Speaker 3: As Kim was saying, you have the wife who's impacted,
Speaker 3: like her whole life trajectory changes because now she's trying
Speaker 3: to prepare the son for it. You got the dad's
Speaker 3: life who's changed because he felt like he missed his chance.
Speaker 3: You get the youngest son who they trained and who
Speaker 3: now this is your whole life is about just this
Speaker 3: thing because your dad missed his chance. And then you
Speaker 3: also get the other kid who don't get attention, as
Speaker 3: we've seen later, because everything's about him being the Green Lantern.
Speaker 3: So all of that came from just him having this
Speaker 3: breakdown and thinking he missed his shot. I thought the
Speaker 3: tentacles of how it spread out from what they showed
Speaker 3: was really dope.
Speaker 1: And in a way that a lot of people, especially
Speaker 1: certain groups outside of us, will realize you can see
Speaker 1: the traumatic effects of what happened in the past and
Speaker 1: how generations behind it bear the brunt of that and
Speaker 1: suffer and struggle. And their life trajectory has changed. So
Speaker 1: these things get passed down to the kids. Become generational.
Speaker 2: What did y'all think of the overall... Just overall of
Speaker 2: the mom in this episode. What are y'all thoughts on
Speaker 2: her in this episode?
Speaker 3: A beast. I love the mom in this episode. I
Speaker 3: love the fact that being raised by a single mother
Speaker 3: and mostly women, just seeing her get in the mold.
Speaker 3: She was like, alright, I'm going to take care of
Speaker 3: this shit. I'm going to make sure that you're prepared,
Speaker 3: that you have what you're supposed to have. We'll get
Speaker 3: some assistance when we can from dad. He fucked up
Speaker 3: right now, but I love how she stepped up and
Speaker 3: how it made her look as far as A lot
Speaker 3: of people probably would have called it hard parenting and
Speaker 3: it was, but it's still, she had an objective in
Speaker 3: mind of what she wanted her son to be and
Speaker 3: the path that her life, that his life was going
Speaker 3: to take. And she took control. I loved her in
Speaker 3: this episode.
Speaker 1: The mom was interesting because she was definitely, definitely the
Speaker 1: embodiment of a strong black woman running the household. from
Speaker 1: her strength of position and empathy and love as well.
Speaker 1: She was a glue for all of them. And she
Speaker 1: was strong when she needed to be and not weak,
Speaker 1: but caring when she needed to be. But still also
Speaker 1: somewhat stern, right? Because she understands, especially in her position,
Speaker 1: what it's like to grow up with color. on you.
Speaker 4: And she was not afraid either.
Speaker 1: When she ran into the alien, uh, as well, she
Speaker 1: was checking the alien. She was like, well, prove it,
Speaker 1: you know, and then invited it in to have, have
Speaker 1: coffee and have a conversation about, you know, what earth
Speaker 1: is like for people of color that they didn't even
Speaker 1: see or acknowledge because they're not familiar. But her line
Speaker 1: was like, even out there, we're still like last to
Speaker 1: be called. Um, So I loved everything that she gave
Speaker 1: to this show. And I felt really bad for her, too,
Speaker 1: because she had to carry that as well and get
Speaker 1: everybody through this. Because there really wasn't, outside of the
Speaker 1: diamond that they got, there really wasn't anything to gain
Speaker 1: from the sun becoming a garden outside of the fact
Speaker 1: That I can think of. But she was fixated on it.
Speaker 1: Was it because her husband could have had it? What
Speaker 1: was the driving force behind her wanting her son to
Speaker 1: get the thing that her husband did not get?
Speaker 3: I thought it was just because her husband missed his chance.
Speaker 3: That's the only motivation that I really just took from it.
Speaker 3: They had the opportunity to be a part of this
Speaker 3: thing and her husband missed it so her son wasn't
Speaker 3: going to miss it. I think I'm torn, man. I
Speaker 3: was torn while watching it, too.
Speaker 2: By the way, Jasmine Syphus Jones, like, she killed this,
Speaker 2: by the way. Like, and she fine. She been fine
Speaker 2: since Hamilton.
Speaker 3: Like, been fine. Yes. But I was.
Speaker 2: Torn because there was also this pull of, like, energy
Speaker 2: as a black person that just loves black women and understanding, like,
Speaker 2: when a black woman is behind you, bro, like, you
Speaker 2: feel invincible, like, it's just, like, when she, as a mother,
Speaker 2: as a wife, as just anything, when you feel, like,
Speaker 2: the power of a black woman, bro, it just feels
Speaker 2: like you can take on anything, so that's the part
Speaker 2: of me that really resonated with me, but I also
Speaker 2: felt this piece of, like, man, that's a child, you
Speaker 2: putting all this burden on, you know what I'm saying, like,
Speaker 2: he don't have a childhood, he, like, his brothers are
Speaker 2: starting to hate him, like, you, you, you're telling him
Speaker 2: what his destiny is. And it's like, I don't really
Speaker 2: fuck with that at all. But again, like Ken said,
Speaker 2: I didn't really connect it, but yeah, it's like carry trauma.
Speaker 2: Like it's like how we do. A lot of times
Speaker 2: we do in black families, we do just like put
Speaker 2: things on our kids. Like, especially when your dad was
Speaker 2: a former football player or such and such, you have
Speaker 2: this expectation for your child to be something that you weren't.
Speaker 2: So you continue to push and push this idea onto them,
Speaker 2: which continues to traumatize them in their own way. So
Speaker 2: when John eventually starts having the conversation with the Guardian
Speaker 2: about his parents, it was interesting to me how he
Speaker 2: was responding. Because it's like, are you sure that's how
Speaker 2: you really feel? Or are you saying it's because you
Speaker 2: need to get this job? Can you decipher between what
Speaker 2: you really feel compared to what you were told to
Speaker 2: feel to get this, what you were told is your destiny?
Speaker 3: I don't even think he knows. I think he was
Speaker 3: programmed so bad. I think there was so much programming
Speaker 3: in him from the moment that he probably understood things
Speaker 3: that this is how i'm supposed to answer it's like
Speaker 3: to your point i don't even think the right answer
Speaker 3: is in his head the answer is this is what
Speaker 3: it's supposed to be this is what's been hammered in
Speaker 3: me and since i was five years old i don't
Speaker 3: even know the right emotional answer to give you that's
Speaker 3: what yeah and if.
Speaker 2: That's the case man again it ties back like to
Speaker 2: at least to me to me it ties back to
Speaker 2: like as black people, a lot of things we're taught
Speaker 2: is the way we're supposed to think and the way
Speaker 2: we're supposed to be and the way we're supposed to
Speaker 2: show up as compared to like what we actually feel,
Speaker 2: especially black men.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Like black men, we definitely do a lot of like
Speaker 2: showing up. So that way we don't, we aren't stigmatized
Speaker 2: and put in different boxes. Like, that's why I'm really
Speaker 2: on a journey to try to deconstruct what blackness is
Speaker 2: to me. Cause it's like, do I really fuck with
Speaker 2: this or do I fuck with it? Because the rest
Speaker 2: of the community.
Speaker 3: Fucks with it. I was told to fuck with it.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying? Um, So if that's the case, man.
Speaker 2: That makes this even a better episode to me. That's
Speaker 2: what they were really trying to hammer home to. So, Ken,
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Speaker 2: a special shout out to the writer of this episode
Speaker 2: because I did watch the video and she did speak
Speaker 2: a little bit about it Vanessa Kelly she also wrote
Speaker 2: the last episode too so shout out to her for
Speaker 2: the big one. After threatening to leave, we also see
Speaker 2: that Bernie runs into the Guardian that we saw at
Speaker 2: the beginning of the episode and she apologizes for causing
Speaker 2: any mental and emotional harm to the Lanterns during the
Speaker 2: selection process.
Speaker 3: What did y'all think about.
Speaker 2: The reparations of the diamond? Like, out of all things
Speaker 2: they can give her, they gave her a diamond.
Speaker 3: That's a big-ass diamond, though. I feel like it was
Speaker 3: worth a lot of money.
Speaker 2: Put her under investigation, what John said.
Speaker 3: But, I mean, didn't they eventually figure it out, though,
Speaker 3: I would say? I guess, but still, like, shit. But,
Speaker 3: I mean, hey, she should know. I was looking at
Speaker 3: it like, shit, fuck being a ladder now. Like, you got,
Speaker 3: that had to make them millions of dollars at that,
Speaker 3: a big-ass dime.
Speaker 1: They spent all the money, though, didn't they?
Speaker 3: On what? I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 1: She said it.
Speaker 2: She's like, we're running low on money. She did say that.
Speaker 3: She did say that. That's what I was wondering. I
Speaker 3: was like, where the fuck all the money from the
Speaker 3: diamonds go? Because that's a lot of money from what
Speaker 3: I've seen in other movies with diamonds and their sizes.
Speaker 3: That's multi-millions of dollars, tens of millions of dollars. Or
Speaker 3: the government took half that money.
Speaker 2: Took more than half of it because it's like yeah
Speaker 2: ain't no way it came from now you can't keep all.
Speaker 3: This yeah that's true.
Speaker 1: It's it's well again the aliens have no idea of
Speaker 1: how money really works um so it just gave us
Speaker 1: something of value that it that it is.
Speaker 4: Aware of but.
Speaker 1: You can't give a black per black person a diamond
Speaker 1: like that and expect them to be able to have
Speaker 1: ease cashing it. It's just no way possible. They're going
Speaker 1: to think they stole it. They're going to think everything
Speaker 1: in the book simply because they're black. And that's what
Speaker 1: it was a very small line.
Speaker 3: That's the gift of the curse token. You got to
Speaker 3: go to the streets. They probably went and tried to
Speaker 3: get it legally done. You got to take that down
Speaker 3: to the streets. You got to go out there and
Speaker 3: see what everybody's talking about outside. before you take that
Speaker 3: anywhere near anything that's got anything to do with what
Speaker 3: they're going to call the police.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but then you're not going to get the full
Speaker 1: value of it. I'd have took pennies on the dollar
Speaker 1: to get rid of it, just to get rid of.
Speaker 3: It, and to get my money.
Speaker 1: All that shit I had to deal with, with my
Speaker 1: husband almost running me out the household until your blue
Speaker 1: ass showed up here? Nah, man, I'm getting every single
Speaker 1: damn thing.
Speaker 3: I would have went outside a million flats you can have.
Speaker 3: Million cash money, we gone, no negotiations.
Speaker 1: Spike, they ran out of damn near the full value.
Speaker 1: You think how fast they'll go through a million?
Speaker 2: So, hey, I've been hearing this lately, and I'm kind
Speaker 2: of curious to ask this question.
Speaker 3: How long do you think I can live off a
Speaker 3: million dollars? With no other income? Yeah.
Speaker 1: Not long.
Speaker 3: Five to seven years?
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 3: If I'm paying all my bills and just not... If
Speaker 3: you're not trying to hold on... If I'm not trying
Speaker 3: to save no money and I'm living like I have
Speaker 3: a job, it wouldn't be no longer than five or
Speaker 3: seven years. Especially in today's economy. Shit.
Speaker 1: You need a million just to get started, especially when
Speaker 1: it comes to retirement and stuff like that.
Speaker 4: That's the launch point.
Speaker 1: And then from there... you have to find ways to
Speaker 1: have that millions of dollars generate income. So you have
Speaker 1: to find the right passive income investments that do that
Speaker 1: without the expensive fees.
Speaker 4: Attached to it.
Speaker 1: So money market accounts, treasuries, bonds, et cetera, et cetera,
Speaker 1: and find a way and dividends and stuff and then
Speaker 1: have that compound. But that's going to be hard to
Speaker 1: do because you're going to be taking money out, which reduces.
Speaker 4: The ability to compound it. But there are ways to
Speaker 4: do it.
Speaker 1: But at least 500 got to be making more money
Speaker 1: because depending on your expenses.
Speaker 2: Y'all niggas must be making some money. Because I don't
Speaker 2: see how five to seven years, I could stretch it
Speaker 2: a little bit longer than that.
Speaker 3: Nah, that's going to be it for you, Jay. I'm
Speaker 3: telling you, I promise you, bro.
Speaker 2: Listen, y'all say, so y'all making it seem like we.
Speaker 3: So even if you make 100K a year, I don't
Speaker 3: make $ 100, 000 a year. I keep it a book. I
Speaker 3: don't make $ 100, 000 a year.
Speaker 2: And I'm living the life I'm living right now. And
Speaker 2: half of it is gone. Well, a good portion of
Speaker 2: it is gone in taxes. You telling me you could
Speaker 2: only live five to seven years off a meal tax-free?
Speaker 3: With no other money coming in?
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: You say it now. You got $ 100, 000.
Speaker 4: Whatever you make, you.
Speaker 3: Make that consistently. You got money coming in. If that
Speaker 3: is just a lump sum over five to seven years,
Speaker 3: like it'll get scary quick. And you can be living
Speaker 3: amongst your means.
Speaker 1: You have to have, you have to really be like
Speaker 1: no debt. Um, the house has to be paid off,
Speaker 1: but remember you got to pay taxes on that. You're
Speaker 1: going to need gas, food and all that other stuff.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it, it, I mean, and it's possible that
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about because from a family of four, but
Speaker 1: even just thinking about if it was just me, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think it will start to get low. Like, it
Speaker 1: has to make some money in order for you to
Speaker 1: keep it.
Speaker 3: Like, even just looking at this, like, let's say you
Speaker 3: just wanted to invest it, and you make, like, to
Speaker 3: make 75 grand a year, off your money, you're going
Speaker 3: to at least have to invest 75 with 1.5 million.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: That's to make 75 grand off just not doing nothing.
Speaker 2: I get what y'all are saying. Y'all are saying that
Speaker 2: y'all need to be making money. If I already got
Speaker 2: what I got and I got a million dollars, I'm
Speaker 2: straight for a little bit.
Speaker 3: For five years, nigga. That's what it's been for five
Speaker 3: or seven years. It's going to be a little bit.
Speaker 3: I didn't think we lived it alive. Year three or four, Jaden,
Speaker 3: you're going to be like, God damn, now. Something's got
Speaker 3: to start shaking. Something's got to come in. Everything's been
Speaker 3: going out. By year three to five, you're going to
Speaker 3: be like, hold on. I might got to be a
Speaker 3: greeter at Walmart or something just to keep some income
Speaker 3: coming in.
Speaker 4: You could probably get a good 10 years off of it.
Speaker 3: I was about to say, I could probably get 10 years.
Speaker 2: I was about to say, the way you said five
Speaker 2: to seven, that's what I'm saying. The way you live in,
Speaker 2: you said five to seven, but that's beside the point.
Speaker 2: Let's get back to the episode. Was it in good
Speaker 2: faith to trust the Guardian? I think for her to
Speaker 2: trust the Guardian and do this. Being a black woman
Speaker 2: in America, was it in good faith for her to
Speaker 2: trust somebody who isn't even from this world?
Speaker 4: There was another person of color, Jalen.
Speaker 3: There you go. DEI. There's a DEI trust.
Speaker 1: You know, that took a lot for her to do that. But,
Speaker 1: you know, I think for them to come back and
Speaker 1: try to right their wrongs because they didn't understand how
Speaker 1: humans function and the dynamics of race in America I
Speaker 1: think they came across as someone that can trust because
Speaker 1: they operate from a different set of rules and I
Speaker 1: think she just went with her gut and trusted her
Speaker 1: gut that this person was being truthful in the things
Speaker 1: that they were saying so yeah but I mean what
Speaker 1: else you got to lose You already know what America is. So, shit,
Speaker 1: might as well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's how I looked at it. Like, what else
Speaker 3: you got to lose? Like, we all in at this point. Like, yeah,
Speaker 3: I trust you. Like, I'm trusting what you say because
Speaker 3: I wanted this thing so bad. My husband wanted this
Speaker 3: thing so bad. So, yeah, give me the diamond and
Speaker 3: let's get to work. Well, that's where Nick's notes end,
Speaker 3: by the way.
Speaker 2: So, we just going to be here.
Speaker 4: Dang, he got far.
Speaker 3: That wasn't even halfway, dude. That was a quarter of
Speaker 3: the way. So we about to be bouncing around, y'all.
Speaker 2: So I told y'all, we can go either way with
Speaker 2: Nick Notes.
Speaker 3: Facts.
Speaker 2: So what did y'all think about the backstory that we
Speaker 2: got about John and the military where he had to
Speaker 2: go on this mission? What did it teach y'all about
Speaker 2: John himself when he had this mission that he had
Speaker 2: to do?
Speaker 3: It made the sitting there at the job interview thing
Speaker 3: look like a piece of cake. Again, I love this
Speaker 3: episode because it built up who we was looking at
Speaker 3: the first two episodes. And I loved how they placed
Speaker 3: it because I didn't need this the first episode. I
Speaker 3: didn't need this the second episode. But giving it to
Speaker 3: me the third episode made those two much better because
Speaker 3: I had questions about this dude. When I'm watching him
Speaker 3: the first two times, I'm like, why he act like that?
Speaker 3: Why he got this little quirk? What's this little thing
Speaker 3: that he got with Hal? All of these little questions
Speaker 3: pop up in my mind, being a new viewer of this.
Speaker 3: But then I get this episode and you get that
Speaker 3: to your question, Jalen, that mission where they telling him, hey, bro,
Speaker 3: you're going to have to sit out here for maybe
Speaker 3: months on end and nothing's going to happen. And you
Speaker 3: can't move and you just got to be on your...
Speaker 3: P's and Q's. And when it do get ready to happen,
Speaker 3: you just got to be ready to do it. The
Speaker 3: last dude that went and did this, we didn't even
Speaker 3: hear from him. We won't even know where he at.
Speaker 3: And for him to be like, like just unfazed. And
Speaker 3: that's why I didn't think he was being cocky in
Speaker 3: the interview. Because this was prior to that interview, right?
Speaker 3: Or was it after? So he's been through things like this.
Speaker 3: And you're talking about like, oh, sitting here for overnight? Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's nothing to me. I sit for six, eight months
Speaker 3: to sniper and kill a dude like that. I do this.
Speaker 3: So all of this stuff of how he's just receiving
Speaker 3: hell and the hazing that he's doing to give him
Speaker 3: the Green Lantern thing. All of this stuff just adds
Speaker 3: up in this episode. And it's really good.
Speaker 1: Uh it definitely showed his his preparedness um you know
Speaker 1: he sometimes a little bit too much where he's a
Speaker 1: little too buttoned up when he went to meet with
Speaker 1: the guy he came in a full suit he was
Speaker 1: like bro we supposed to be undercover like what are
Speaker 1: you doing But he's dedicated to his job.
Speaker 4: He only knows one way, and that's how he was raised.
Speaker 1: So he's going to be fully committed to the task
Speaker 1: at hand, and that was him.
Speaker 4: What was really interesting, I wanted to see how he.
Speaker 1: Handled the lightning and splashing in the water and the injury.
Speaker 1: And none of that stuff really seemed to bother him
Speaker 1: at all. And hearing that he was there, what, nine
Speaker 1: months eating off bugs and berries, all for It to
Speaker 1: once again be taken away because of this white man,
Speaker 1: Hal Jordan. He sat there for nine months. Now, you know,
Speaker 1: he stank out there in the woods, eating all kind
Speaker 1: of damn stuff, even though she said he was a vegetarian.
Speaker 4: And right.
Speaker 1: We need to get an opportunity to take the shot
Speaker 1: and complete the mission.
Speaker 4: Just like that. It was snatched away from again. Hal Jordan.
Speaker 1: Coming along and messing up something that has to do
Speaker 1: with this family. I don't know if that's a metaphor.
Speaker 1: I don't know what they're trying to say. It's recurring, Spike.
Speaker 1: It is.
Speaker 2: I definitely spoke to Jon Stewart for sure. Understanding him
Speaker 2: a little bit more as far as he's very mission oriented.
Speaker 2: The idea is to either complete the mission to fail
Speaker 2: they're like there's no in between there's no nuance for
Speaker 2: him like he understands i have to do what i'm
Speaker 2: told to do and that's it um i can't remember
Speaker 2: what he said i think they say like the panic
Speaker 2: button he's like i'm not gonna call panic like it's
Speaker 2: just not gonna happen the job is to do what
Speaker 2: i'm supposed to do when i'm gonna do it um
Speaker 2: and when the guardian was asking about being uh dishonorably
Speaker 2: uh discharged is that correct He wasn't even willing to
Speaker 2: really get the details because he was just like, that's confidential.
Speaker 2: I'm not really supposed to say that. He's very much
Speaker 2: by the book. Very much by the book. Even for
Speaker 2: something that he knew he's been working his life off,
Speaker 2: he's like, I still owe this respect to my chain
Speaker 2: of command. You know what I'm saying? He's respectful and
Speaker 2: all the like. So, yeah, definitely gave us insight there.
Speaker 2: But then the part with how coming to take it,
Speaker 2: it's just like, damn, this nigga came and take some
Speaker 2: shit again from me. The white man just took that
Speaker 2: shit again. I felt that too, Ken, when it happened.
Speaker 3: Is this the dude from the preview we watched for
Speaker 3: the trade reviews? Yes. That's the same dude? Okay, gotcha.
Speaker 3: He getting some shine, man. He getting some rolls. He
Speaker 3: getting some rolls.
Speaker 2: What did y'all think about the scene where they were
Speaker 2: in the car and the brothers was picking on him
Speaker 2: about the ATLians, the song playing? What did y'all think
Speaker 2: about this dynamic between him and the brothers at that time?
Speaker 3: That's when I said what you was talking about, Jack.
Speaker 3: This is a black ass episode. Because that's how we
Speaker 3: are as little black kids. We do the same thing
Speaker 3: to your little corny cousin that maybe can't, what you think,
Speaker 3: don't know the words. And then they may surprise you.
Speaker 3: They do know the words. And it's a big thing.
Speaker 3: I thought this was dope. Like, even the episode title
Speaker 3: being called out, because them hazing him, acting like he
Speaker 3: don't know it, him actually knowing the song. And I just,
Speaker 3: this was black as fuck. I liked it.
Speaker 1: It made me think about how he really hasn't had
Speaker 1: an opportunity to be a kid. You know, everybody else
Speaker 1: get to play and have fun and listen to music
Speaker 1: and do this, that, and the other. And we learned
Speaker 1: that he is doing these things on his own time
Speaker 1: in his spare time, probably away from the from his parents.
Speaker 4: His parents probably don't.
Speaker 1: Know about it. But even in that moment where you
Speaker 1: get a chance to bond and spend time with his brothers,
Speaker 1: which came up later, the Guardian kind of provided some
Speaker 1: more insight into that. It got snatched away because he
Speaker 1: got to get back on task, got to get back
Speaker 1: on the mission. and dropped him off in the city
Speaker 1: to walk all the way back home. And then when
Speaker 1: he get home, he breaks down in tears because all
Speaker 1: he wanted to do was sit there and listen to
Speaker 1: music and enjoy this moment with his brothers. And it just,
Speaker 1: in that one scene, you see that he doesn't really
Speaker 1: get a chance to spend a lot of time with them.
Speaker 1: And even they were kind of echoing that and even
Speaker 1: clowning him for the way he taught. Like he grew
Speaker 1: up in the same household, but they were talking like, oh,
Speaker 1: you sound like some white guy or something like that,
Speaker 1: which was interesting too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: It was definitely tough to take, especially when you walk
Speaker 2: in the house and all your moms say was like,
Speaker 2: I got your dinner. I mean, you could also tell
Speaker 2: that it broke her a little bit to have to
Speaker 2: do that. She was just doing what she felt was
Speaker 2: needed for him in that moment.
Speaker 3: But yeah, that right there.
Speaker 2: Was like very much a gut punch. Because, man, like,
Speaker 2: I can, like, honestly, for him to know the words,
Speaker 2: I thought he was going to fuck up the words, too.
Speaker 2: I was like, you ain't got time to be learning
Speaker 2: this shit.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying? And that's how they felt.
Speaker 2: Like, man, they got you doing all this other stuff.
Speaker 2: You don't even know.
Speaker 3: I know you don't know this.
Speaker 2: I know you don't know the words to this. And
Speaker 2: so when he did it, even though I was kind
Speaker 2: of like, the way you're saying it.
Speaker 1: But you knew the words.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 3: So this was real big. I like this also because
Speaker 3: I feel like ain't nobody gonna fuck with no little kid,
Speaker 3: little black kid walking through the hood. Like, regardless if
Speaker 3: they know what you got going on or if it's
Speaker 3: parents or not, like, he would have been able to really, like,
Speaker 3: just walk through pretty safely at that age.
Speaker 1: I don't think it was about.
Speaker 4: Like, niggas would.
Speaker 3: Have been pressing him. He too young. Like, if he
Speaker 3: was older, maybe somebody would have pressed him on some, like,
Speaker 3: some hood shit. But at that age, I feel like
Speaker 3: it was it wasn't egregious to test him in that way,
Speaker 3: because I do feel like most people are going to
Speaker 3: leave him alone. Like you got to be really like
Speaker 3: a sick fuck to let him like something going to happen.
Speaker 3: I don't think he'll that age. So I think it
Speaker 3: was OK test.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, yeah. Yeah. OK. Now I see what you're saying,
Speaker 1: because there are. sick folks out there, but you can
Speaker 1: hear the dialogue. It was like, hey, what's up little man? Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's how it's going to primarily be. Yeah, but it
Speaker 1: really was about what you're saying is that I'm really 90%
Speaker 1: sure that he'll be okay. Let me see if he
Speaker 1: will have the strength and the resolve and confidence and
Speaker 1: lack of fear to make this walk and be confident
Speaker 1: that he'll be okay. So can he complete the mission? And,
Speaker 1: you know, once he got going, you know, he did.
Speaker 1: He walked through and got home. And his crying wasn't
Speaker 1: about him being afraid or anything.
Speaker 4: It was just about I didn't get a chance to play.
Speaker 4: Y'all took that.
Speaker 3: I had to do that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I had to do that.
Speaker 3: I had to go be like, a little mini adult
Speaker 3: right then. That's what the crime was about. That's how
Speaker 3: I took it. It wasn't, again, that I was scared
Speaker 3: or terrified that that happened to me. It was like, man,
Speaker 3: I wanted to do outcasts with my friends. See, that's
Speaker 3: why I thought this episode was black as fuck, because
Speaker 3: I don't really think white people, and I may be
Speaker 3: speaking in general here, I don't think they really understood that.
Speaker 3: I think as little black kids, we get put in
Speaker 3: those scenarios sometimes from family members or people that you
Speaker 3: care about or love And you know it wasn't out of,
Speaker 3: it's not malicious at all. It's just like, nah, you
Speaker 3: got to go do that because that's just a part
Speaker 3: of you growing up.
Speaker 1: I think it was whenever she said something about privilege,
Speaker 1: I think that probably was the trigger word for a
Speaker 1: lot of them.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she did say privilege before.
Speaker 2: But this is like, as bad as it is, like
Speaker 2: when you're told if you go to school you get
Speaker 2: your ass beat, or.
Speaker 3: Like if your siblings.
Speaker 2: if your sibling don't let your sibling get to be
Speaker 2: in the fight and your ass ain't jump in it.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying? Like it's, it's certain things
Speaker 2: as black people, it's just like, you know, you gotta know,
Speaker 2: you just gotta go do it. Like, this is how
Speaker 2: it is. Like it may not be, it may not
Speaker 2: be right per se, but it's what we have to
Speaker 2: do because of the circumstances that are built around us
Speaker 2: that we just got to learn to get like thicker
Speaker 2: skin to do this shit. So yeah, that's, that's definitely
Speaker 2: on that. Hit it on the head there. Um, Well,
Speaker 2: we didn't eventually see. We learned about the birds. I
Speaker 2: figured it connected back to something in the last episode.
Speaker 2: We learned that basically the birds were supposed to be
Speaker 2: watching him. The guardians were watching him. But his mom
Speaker 2: admits that that's not completely true. That she doesn't know
Speaker 2: when the guardians are going to come back. But he
Speaker 2: keeps saying that he ain't scared.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: That he can do it right now. You know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying? That he good. And so she tells him, well, nigga,
Speaker 2: shoot the gun off your daddy's head and say your
Speaker 2: daddy's shooting the apple off your head. What y'all think
Speaker 2: of this scene before he actually does the whoop-dee-doo to
Speaker 2: his mom?
Speaker 3: They did a good scene. They set it up well, man. Like,
Speaker 3: this episode, they're doing the due diligence of taking their
Speaker 3: time to get to places and scenes. Like, they ain't
Speaker 3: rushing shit. They making it set up very good. Like,
Speaker 3: him not even being able to do it. Him, like,
Speaker 3: just being scared to do it, even though he thought
Speaker 3: he wasn't scared. And then the birds showing. Like, all
Speaker 3: of it was great. Even the mom, like, not even being, like,
Speaker 3: I ain't even trying to coddle you in this moment.
Speaker 3: It is what it is. Like, watching you, bro. Like,
Speaker 3: we training you for this. This is some Kobe Bryant shit.
Speaker 3: This is some Mamba mentality shit, right? Like, I love that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a really, really good conversation that she
Speaker 1: had and just being upfront and honest with him. And
Speaker 1: it really gave him the confidence that he needed, that
Speaker 1: he lacked.
Speaker 4: Because he did have fear that he.
Speaker 1: Was going to, even though he was really, really good,
Speaker 1: because they said earlier he can shoot a moth out
Speaker 1: of the sky or he can shoot from a mile away.
Speaker 1: So just little audible things that they did, they told
Speaker 1: us that in terms of shooting, he's really good at it.
Speaker 1: But when there's somebody there in front of you that
Speaker 1: you love, then you have fear. And that fear can
Speaker 1: lead to a mistake because you have to be focused
Speaker 1: and locked in. Just one slight twitch or whatever, your
Speaker 1: heart's racing or whatever, it's a wrap. But she talked
Speaker 1: a little bit too much shit and put herself in
Speaker 1: that situation.
Speaker 4: She was fucking terrified. And I thought for.
Speaker 1: Whatever reason, not for whatever reason, I don't remember ever
Speaker 1: seeing the mom in the first couple episodes, so I
Speaker 1: thought he was going to shoot her. I thought so too. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was like, dang, bro. And that's what hardened him
Speaker 1: and made him into the person he was. But no,
Speaker 1: I really loved it. What I liked about the conversation,
Speaker 1: from what I can remember, is she was just kind
Speaker 1: of giving him the game a little bit about what
Speaker 1: it is and raising him in this world to just
Speaker 1: letting him know how things are in this world for
Speaker 1: Black kids growing up, but to not have fear in
Speaker 1: this world as a Black kid growing up and you know,
Speaker 1: understanding and knowing and taking your place in this country
Speaker 1: and not kowtowing down to the system in place, which
Speaker 1: is a very difficult thing to do as a parent,
Speaker 1: especially me raising two black boys.
Speaker 4: It's like, I want you aware.
Speaker 1: Of these things, but not to the point where you're
Speaker 1: afraid to move around when you see like a cop or,
Speaker 1: something happened and you feel like, Oh Lord, now these
Speaker 1: white folks going to get me. It's like, nah, you
Speaker 1: know your place in this world and you have rights
Speaker 1: within this world, uh, because you're entitled to them, but
Speaker 1: also be aware that not every situation, you know, uh,
Speaker 1: not everyone, uh, complies with that. So, but, but not
Speaker 1: to walk out the house every day of fear of
Speaker 1: something that's happened. Cause that's not a way to live. Um,
Speaker 1: it's the way I grew up, but I did not
Speaker 1: want my kids to have that fear as well. So, um,
Speaker 1: So I really love that conversation that she was giving him.
Speaker 1: I thought that was really, really dope.
Speaker 3: Agreed.
Speaker 2: I agree with everything y'all just said. And so we
Speaker 2: go back to the semi-present where John is discharged. And
Speaker 2: so now he feels like he can't do this. That
Speaker 2: means everything's over since then. He's not a part of
Speaker 2: the military, and so he begins to go to art school.
Speaker 3: So in art school.
Speaker 2: He learns more about architecture and things like that. What
Speaker 2: did y'all think about him going to art school and
Speaker 2: getting ready to do a course and coming to the
Speaker 2: realization that he was actually talking to a guardian? What
Speaker 2: did y'all think of this scene?
Speaker 3: What kind of shift there? Can I ask a question
Speaker 3: real quick? When he was shooting at the dude he
Speaker 3: had been sitting out there for a minute, how did
Speaker 3: the Green Lantern, did he know he was trying to
Speaker 3: kill him? Is there anything behind it?
Speaker 1: Yeah, so the guy that he was reporting to, when
Speaker 1: they met to discuss the mission, He said that how
Speaker 1: Jordan was doing what how Jordan does. He was at
Speaker 1: a bar drinking and drunk and there was a conversation
Speaker 1: that happened.
Speaker 4: And when he heard about it, he went, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: And he wasn't supposed to do that, but he did
Speaker 4: it anyway.
Speaker 1: So, yeah, but, but this, this scene was dope because when,
Speaker 1: when it's like the way he was talking sounded weird,
Speaker 1: but I didn't really place it until. right around the
Speaker 1: time he finished drawing. And I was like, man, I'm
Speaker 1: wondering if that's a garnish. So when he gave the ring,
Speaker 1: I was like, damn. And then I was like, of
Speaker 1: course it would make sense that he would have to
Speaker 1: have a good understanding of how things are designed and
Speaker 1: work in order to construct these things. Now, is that
Speaker 1: necessarily true?
Speaker 4: I doubt it.
Speaker 1: I think it's really an imagination. But I think what
Speaker 1: it shows is that he... has a little bit of
Speaker 1: extra in him that others can't because of his ability,
Speaker 1: his natural ability to draw and remember those details, which
Speaker 1: may give him another edge over other Guardians.
Speaker 4: But no, that was dope seeing him do that.
Speaker 1: And again, they do just enough superhero stuff to remind
Speaker 1: us that this is a superhero show. But it's definitely
Speaker 1: not overboard with a lot of superhero shit.
Speaker 4: At least in the first three episodes.
Speaker 3: And I think that's adding to it. Because for me,
Speaker 3: for one, watching it, I feel like I'm always on
Speaker 3: the edge of like, okay, when the superhero stuff started.
Speaker 3: But I'm not missing it because it's not there. They're
Speaker 3: doing enough filling in the show with the rest of
Speaker 3: the backstory, filling in the show with the dynamic between
Speaker 3: Hal and what's his name?
Speaker 1: John Stewart. Hal.
Speaker 3: John. Hal and John, they're doing enough filling in the
Speaker 3: story with that. They're doing enough backstory with the family.
Speaker 3: All of the stuff is working. So when the superhero
Speaker 3: stuff does happen, Ken, to your point, yeah, it's great.
Speaker 3: It's like, oh yeah, this is a superhero show. But
Speaker 3: I'm not waiting on it and it's not pressing me
Speaker 3: at all. So I think they had a really good
Speaker 3: dynamic of balancing those two. To the drawing scene that
Speaker 3: you asked about, Jalen, I like this a lot. Again,
Speaker 3: adds to Him just being the dude for the job,
Speaker 3: having an art background, being able to draw this, doing
Speaker 3: a thing, getting the ring. It's just good. They're doing
Speaker 3: this show very well.
Speaker 1: I agree.
Speaker 2: It did come to me by surprise that it was
Speaker 2: a guardian a little bit. But to use this as
Speaker 2: another way to build upon Jon Stewart was great. He
Speaker 2: went to art school because this part didn't work out,
Speaker 2: and how his mom came in and had the conversation
Speaker 2: with him, what is a, I forgot the saying that
Speaker 2: she said, but it was dope, I can't remember what
Speaker 2: it was, damn, but it was something about courage, and
Speaker 2: for her to come in there and talk to him,
Speaker 2: she was just a powerful force, bro, like, just, just
Speaker 2: every time, yeah, every piece of it, like, it just
Speaker 2: felt like this motivation to continue to keep going because
Speaker 2: she was there for him. Um, that's why I'm so torn.
Speaker 2: Cause when you sit and really think about it, it's like,
Speaker 2: she really put him in a position to succeed for
Speaker 2: what he became, what he's becoming. But at the same time,
Speaker 2: it's like, damn, how much trauma did you put on
Speaker 2: this nigga at the same time in order for him
Speaker 2: to get there? Um, yeah, it was like a helicopter day.
Speaker 3: It's like, impressing his son on football, like to do
Speaker 3: all the drills and the scrimmages and the shit like that.
Speaker 3: And they end up being good. But to your point,
Speaker 3: it's like, man, they missed their whole childhood though. He
Speaker 3: was doing the heels and fucking, uh, suicides. One of
Speaker 3: him is a 10 year old. So yeah.
Speaker 2: Do you get Michael Jackson without the ass beats?
Speaker 3: Yeah. Good point.
Speaker 2: So, but, I mean, and so from here, the Guardian
Speaker 2: and John, they continue the conversation, and it's revealed that
Speaker 2: the Guardians, basically, they don't fuck with Hal.
Speaker 3: They don't trust this nigga.
Speaker 2: And they kind of want him to take his place.
Speaker 2: What did y'all think of this conversation of why we
Speaker 2: get these little nuggets, and now they want John to
Speaker 2: take Hal's place?
Speaker 3: It makes sense. It makes sense of how... How I'll
Speaker 3: be acting, it makes sense that they interviewing in person now.
Speaker 3: It just makes sense that they're like, nah, the buddy
Speaker 3: right here, he fucked up. And we make sure we
Speaker 3: never give up. another one of him ever again. So, yeah,
Speaker 3: I don't care if he's scared or not. Like, being
Speaker 3: scared ain't even his problem. It don't even matter if
Speaker 3: he's scared. Like, we just want him out.
Speaker 4: That's the problem. He has no fear.
Speaker 3: He ain't scared.
Speaker 1: Exactly.
Speaker 3: That's his problem. We was asking the wrong damn question. Like,
Speaker 3: are you afraid?
Speaker 1: He was like, nah.
Speaker 3: I was like, okay. I'm like, no. That ain't the
Speaker 3: right question for him.
Speaker 4: How's disobedience is a problem for them.
Speaker 1: He was supposed to go and enter because they, the
Speaker 1: guardian said that he, he's not supposed to interfere in
Speaker 1: any thing that's happening on earth. And they, as you said, they,
Speaker 1: they not messing with him and they cannot trust him
Speaker 1: because he does whatever he wants to do, do whenever
Speaker 1: he wants to do it. And, um, And that within
Speaker 1: itself is a sense of privilege, right? There hasn't been
Speaker 1: any repercussions for being disobedient with Hal. And I think
Speaker 1: they may be concerned that since he still has an
Speaker 1: attachment to Sinestro, they may be concerned that he could
Speaker 1: eventually flip and turn if he doesn't like the way
Speaker 1: things are going or if he doesn't agree with the
Speaker 1: mission And he believes it should be the other way
Speaker 1: and not not the way that they want it. So
Speaker 1: when it comes to being in an organization like that,
Speaker 1: where they're basically guardians, cops, police, military or whatever, chain
Speaker 1: of command and being able.
Speaker 4: To follow orders is very important.
Speaker 1: And throughout this episode, throughout the first couple of episodes
Speaker 1: of this of this season, even in this one, he
Speaker 1: was like, is that my order? And she was like, yes,
Speaker 1: that's your order. He was like, well, how I feel
Speaker 1: about it don't even matter because you gave me an
Speaker 1: order and I'm going to follow it. That's what they want.
Speaker 1: And they can't have anybody that's going to do whatever
Speaker 1: they want, whenever they want it.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think, I think that's the premise of why he's
Speaker 2: going to, he's becoming a Greenlander. Um, And I was like,
Speaker 2: how I came in that house was disrespectful as fuck.
Speaker 2: I'm like, damn, fuck this nigga. Nigga was calling him Junior.
Speaker 2: All that type of shit.
Speaker 1: Like.
Speaker 2: Like, he was just... He tried to.
Speaker 3: Like, I hate.
Speaker 2: You know what? You know what it really was? I
Speaker 2: hate the friendly, disrespectful white man. That shit there.
Speaker 3: Pissed me off, bro.
Speaker 2: Like, you being... You got a smile on your face
Speaker 2: and you smug. Yeah, like, and you know you being
Speaker 2: disrespectful as fuck. You trying to little man me? Nigga,
Speaker 2: fuck you, nigga.
Speaker 3: Like, I don't like that shit. And so, that's what
Speaker 3: really was pissing me off. We kept calling him Junior.
Speaker 3: You call him Junior, right?
Speaker 2: He's like, no.
Speaker 3: He's like, yeah, but I'm calling him Junior.
Speaker 2: Like, no, fuck you, nigga.
Speaker 3: My name is John.
Speaker 1: Like, so.
Speaker 2: Yeah, overall, man, and then the episode ends, obviously, with
Speaker 2: Hal flying off and John talks to the bird, basically saying,
Speaker 2: I think he likes me.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 2: A nice little nod to the bird, obviously, theme that
Speaker 2: has been going on since the last episode. But, yeah, man,
Speaker 2: that's pretty much the gist of it. I apologize to
Speaker 2: the listeners if there was something in particular y'all wanted
Speaker 2: me to get to that I forgot because, you know,
Speaker 2: I had notes. I had to go to the top
Speaker 2: of the dome because somebody ain't finished the notes.
Speaker 3: But, uh, yeah.
Speaker 2: Is there anything else y'all like to add before we
Speaker 2: close out?
Speaker 3: Nah, that's it. I've been enjoying this, man. I'm enjoying it.
Speaker 3: Happy we got you on board, Spike. Yeah, I'm fucking
Speaker 3: with it. It's been a rough month. It's been a
Speaker 3: rough month.
Speaker 4: I came up with an idea, Spike.
Speaker 1: I hope you like it. We're going to see what
Speaker 1: everybody thinks. But, um, It's so, of course, I have
Speaker 1: very similar feelings watching this about how black it was
Speaker 1: without feeling forced. You know, like it's one of the blacks. Like,
Speaker 1: if you know, you know, you kind of get it.
Speaker 1: Seeing the backlash and shout out to D.C. for even
Speaker 1: doing that. When they started to have those conversations that
Speaker 1: happens in the household away from other years, I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I didn't I did not think they were going to
Speaker 1: go there. And they did. So salute to them for
Speaker 1: being having an episode like this in a climate that
Speaker 1: we are in.
Speaker 4: Which leads me to them paying for it.
Speaker 1: And it's unfortunate because it doesn't matter what it is.
Speaker 1: It's just anything that's catered or even close to something
Speaker 1: that black people can like. They just can't stand it
Speaker 1: because they feel like something is taken away. And when
Speaker 1: you look at this episode, you can really see, and
Speaker 1: it's unfortunate they're not really kind of observing and watching
Speaker 1: it from just the lens that it's in, of what
Speaker 1: it's like to get a peek inside of a Black family.
Speaker 1: And this was provided to them, salute to that writer,
Speaker 1: without being very over the top. But you can see
Speaker 1: these small little things that happen to Black people by
Speaker 1: a white person intentionally or unintentionally. And Hal Jordan is
Speaker 1: the perfect example for that. The Guardian is the perfect
Speaker 1: example for that. When he comes in the house, he
Speaker 1: once again took away a moment from this family, whether
Speaker 1: he intended to do it or not, because he said,
Speaker 1: I really wanted to be the one to tell him.
Speaker 3: But as soon as he get there, who's in the
Speaker 3: house is Hal.
Speaker 1: And he didn't get a chance to drop that news
Speaker 1: that they spent his whole life preparing and building him
Speaker 1: to do. And in comes a white man telling him
Speaker 1: that they actually did the job really, really well to
Speaker 1: the point he got the job. That's how they found out,
Speaker 1: you know, and it's like, it's like Saban may be
Speaker 1: calling and say, Hey, here's your son made the team
Speaker 1: before your son get a chance to call you. Like
Speaker 1: that's the moment that they wanted to share. And I
Speaker 1: think that it's unfortunate that they can't just look at
Speaker 1: it from that lens because I think this wasn't a
Speaker 1: show that, you know, of pity as black people, but
Speaker 1: an acknowledgement of what it's like to be black. There's
Speaker 1: not a lot of whining or complaining. It's just situational awareness.
Speaker 1: That is, that's all it is. And it's like, you know,
Speaker 1: they tell us these things about, oh, you know, it's
Speaker 1: all about merit. But then you have Hal, who was
Speaker 1: chosen because he has no fear, but he can get
Speaker 1: away with everything, even though he's great at what he does,
Speaker 1: but he can also get away with things, but he's
Speaker 1: also a fuck-up. So he can do both. So he's
Speaker 1: really good at his job, but he's a fuck-up at
Speaker 1: his job, too. Whereas when you look at Jon Stewart,
Speaker 1: Jon Stewart has to be completely buttoned up, straight, and
Speaker 1: narrow in order to get the job.
Speaker 3: He has to be perfect.
Speaker 1: And it's just like, there's this, and then the Hustable line,
Speaker 1: it's just like, what the hell? But so small, so subtle,
Speaker 1: he thinks he wasn't even being offensive, but he was.
Speaker 1: Because those are the things that black people grew up with.
Speaker 1: where a lot of those lines were very intentional. So
Speaker 1: it's hard for us to let it go. So again,
Speaker 1: I think this episode was written really, really well. It
Speaker 1: wasn't very overt to me.
Speaker 4: And I think they're just in their feelings because this
Speaker 4: is what they are. And they, for.
Speaker 1: Whatever reason, came out of this show as a victim.
Speaker 1: I don't know how, but somehow they're victims, Spike.
Speaker 3: Because they feel like, I don't even want to. You
Speaker 3: did an amazing job there of summarizing that. Because I
Speaker 3: was trying to explain it and couldn't to people earlier.
Speaker 3: You just did an amazing job of saying, hey, this
Speaker 3: is the reason why I register for black people and
Speaker 3: why I wasn't overly black. It was just, if you
Speaker 3: offended by this, then you might ask, like you said, Charlie,
Speaker 3: you might need to have a conversation with yourself about
Speaker 3: the isms. If you stepped out and you was like, oh, well,
Speaker 3: Why are they doing this? Why are they this and that?
Speaker 3: And I can say that as a person who has
Speaker 3: changed now, when I used to look at stuff and
Speaker 3: be like, man, why are they putting all this extra
Speaker 3: stuff in here? Not to you.
Speaker 2: But I was going to say, is any marginalized group
Speaker 2: of people like, why are they putting this in here?
Speaker 3: Why are they putting this in here?
Speaker 2: It's like, bro, it's a part of the story.
Speaker 3: Exactly. And I've gotten to the point, Jay, now, like
Speaker 3: doing more reviews with Friends Per Second, just hearing more
Speaker 3: opinions and I don't question it now. And when people do,
Speaker 3: it comes odd to me now. And I understand how
Speaker 3: I used to sound because I didn't get it at first.
Speaker 3: When I would be like, oh, why they put this
Speaker 3: in here? But now it's like, bro, it's in there. Okay,
Speaker 3: who gives a fuck? It's part of the story, bro. Like,
Speaker 3: usually you commenting from a place of you not even watching.
Speaker 3: You don't even know the context of this. You're just
Speaker 3: mad because it offends this group of people who you
Speaker 3: think you relate to. You have no idea what's going on. Again,
Speaker 3: I told y'all, I was having a text conversation. I
Speaker 3: was telling the person, I know what type of movies
Speaker 3: or shows that you like. If you were to check
Speaker 3: this out, I promise you would have a different opinion
Speaker 3: on this, is what I told her. But you just
Speaker 3: listening to these people over here who you think that
Speaker 3: we agree on all of these things. So I would
Speaker 3: agree with.
Speaker 1: Them on this.
Speaker 3: And now you're running with it and thinking that this
Speaker 3: is one thing, but it's not. It's just like what
Speaker 3: you were explaining to King. Like this is there's this
Speaker 3: thing with black culture that it's hard to relay how
Speaker 3: they did. it in this episode in the sense of
Speaker 3: it ain't overt, bro. Sometimes it's just these situations as
Speaker 3: to where you have to have this awareness that's like,
Speaker 3: I'm Black, bro. I have to conduct myself in this manner.
Speaker 3: I can't think about it the way that y'all are
Speaker 3: thinking about it in the mass streams of it. And
Speaker 3: they did a good job of that in this episode.
Speaker 3: And if you just tune in from the outside and
Speaker 3: you're like, oh, this is them trying to insert this
Speaker 3: into pop culture. It's not that. They did a good
Speaker 3: job of this and telling the story.
Speaker 1: And what I like is kind of what you said.
Speaker 1: Like the question is, like the people saying, why are
Speaker 1: they doing this? That is the question to ask, but
Speaker 1: not in the way that they're doing it. Ask, why
Speaker 1: are they doing this? Not, oh man, why y'all doing this? No,
Speaker 1: really ask, why are they doing this?
Speaker 4: So they can really get an understanding of what's going on.
Speaker 1: But, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this was a good episode, man. They was in
Speaker 3: their bag right here.
Speaker 1: But they'll get their show back next week.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they'll get their show back. It's coming back, y'all.
Speaker 3: And that's the thing. Y'all can be happy about it.
Speaker 3: It ain't going to be every week. We don't get
Speaker 3: it all the time, bro. It's there if you're in between. Yeah,
Speaker 3: we're done with it. When we see it, we appreciate it.
Speaker 3: And we move on. Like y'all should.
Speaker 2: Well, we all still excited for the show. We're going
Speaker 2: to keep watching it. But, you know, hey, man. I
Speaker 2: know my bias is not going to let them top
Speaker 2: this episode. Okay, how good the rest of these episodes is.
Speaker 2: My bias is already set.
Speaker 3: This is the best episode. This is the best episode. Thanks.
Speaker 2: Thanks. But, man, we'll be back here next week, man. Hopefully,
Speaker 2: y'all keep tapping in. Make sure to follow us at
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Speaker 2: But until next time, peace.
Speaker 1: Peace and salute to them for ending the episode with OutKast.
Speaker 1: For real.
Speaker 4: They taught all that shit together.
Speaker 3: With gasoline dreams, too.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I didn't know.
Speaker 1: B-side.
Speaker 3: B-side.