1 00:00:17,040 --> 00:00:18,640 Speaker 1: Good, good morning, everybody. 2 00:00:18,680 --> 00:00:22,239 Speaker 2: This is Heathan Hatcher and Brad Klopfenstein on the. 3 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:25,880 Speaker 1: Morning Show on a phenomenal Good Friday. One of the 4 00:00:25,880 --> 00:00:30,640 Speaker 1: most important Christian celebrations in the entire religion, the Resurrection 5 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:33,000 Speaker 1: coming up for Easter Sunday. 6 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:40,519 Speaker 2: Are you excited, Brad? I'm so excited, Ethan. Yeah. Just 7 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:42,879 Speaker 2: before we went on, I wanted to save this. 8 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:45,120 Speaker 3: I don't know if they still do it, but there's 9 00:00:45,159 --> 00:00:49,440 Speaker 3: a bar downtown that celebrates Good Friday with the specials 10 00:00:49,479 --> 00:00:51,519 Speaker 3: of rolling Rock and rusty Nails. 11 00:00:54,640 --> 00:00:55,400 Speaker 2: Well, hey, you know. 12 00:00:55,440 --> 00:00:58,560 Speaker 1: Jesus turned water into wine, right, so I think he 13 00:00:58,600 --> 00:01:02,920 Speaker 1: would approve of a little out alcoholic imvibation exactly commemoration 14 00:01:03,080 --> 00:01:03,680 Speaker 1: of the holiday. 15 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:05,600 Speaker 3: Yeh, thank god somebody got that rock out of the way. 16 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:07,000 Speaker 3: Now stretch my legs again. 17 00:01:07,600 --> 00:01:11,080 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to ninety three WIBC. We've got a 18 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:14,280 Speaker 1: lot to cover on the show today, some fantastic topics. 19 00:01:14,319 --> 00:01:16,959 Speaker 1: I think you're going to be entertained, to be sure. 20 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:19,360 Speaker 1: Coming up in the next segment, we have a special 21 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:22,839 Speaker 1: guest that we joining the show, Socialist City Council member 22 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:25,480 Speaker 1: Jesse Brown. He's going to come into the studio and 23 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:28,039 Speaker 1: talk a little bit more about the data center that 24 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:32,319 Speaker 1: is being installed in the Martindale Brightwood neighborhood over the 25 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:35,399 Speaker 1: objections of the people living there, which I think is 26 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:39,000 Speaker 1: a real tragedy. I'm looking forward to this conversation, brad Ethan, 27 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:41,320 Speaker 1: how's this going to work? Because typically you are like me, 28 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:44,800 Speaker 1: you have libertarian sensibilities. I kind of believe that there 29 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:47,840 Speaker 1: should be two types of zoning, your property and my property. 30 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:53,240 Speaker 1: I think that when it comes to industrial properties, there's 31 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 1: a reason why we have zoning, and it probably shouldn't 32 00:01:56,120 --> 00:02:00,320 Speaker 1: belong to neighborhoods go next to neighborhoods, especially when we 33 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:04,400 Speaker 1: have a history of data centers that are not necessarily. 34 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:04,920 Speaker 2: Being good neighbors. 35 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:09,200 Speaker 1: Look at the installation of the meta Facebook data center 36 00:02:09,440 --> 00:02:13,280 Speaker 1: that is currently terrorizing residents with the bright football stadium 37 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:15,359 Speaker 1: lights that are on at all hours of the night, 38 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:19,480 Speaker 1: and the construction and the helicopter sounds, the noise, the disturbances, 39 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:22,680 Speaker 1: the potential pollutants that are being introduced to the area. 40 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:26,560 Speaker 1: I think these residents have some very strong rationale for 41 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:29,799 Speaker 1: why they might oppose such an installation going next to them. 42 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:31,840 Speaker 2: Data centers could be their own worst enemy. 43 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:33,560 Speaker 1: Well, I am the utility prices that are going to 44 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:35,840 Speaker 1: go up because AEES is going to be servicing the 45 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 1: data center, and that's going to be affecting all of us. So, 46 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:42,799 Speaker 1: you know, once you start reaching me, that's when I 47 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:43,760 Speaker 1: start caring about this. 48 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:44,440 Speaker 2: You know, the. 49 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:47,560 Speaker 1: Freedom to extend your fist ends that your neighbors knows. 50 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:49,000 Speaker 1: Isn't that the phrase in my. 51 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:53,359 Speaker 3: Mind, Economies of scale should dictate that if you're going 52 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:55,480 Speaker 3: to have a data center that's using a lot of 53 00:02:55,720 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 3: a lot of energy, then that should lower the cost 54 00:02:58,240 --> 00:03:01,600 Speaker 3: of energy for all. Then I think I also believe 55 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:04,360 Speaker 3: the data center should be responsible for installing their own 56 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:06,320 Speaker 3: infrastructure and that should not be on the back of 57 00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:06,840 Speaker 3: the rate packers. 58 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:08,799 Speaker 1: Well, this wouldn't be a problem if we had more 59 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:12,440 Speaker 1: nuclear substations across the country. But that's getting into the 60 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:14,840 Speaker 1: weeds a little bit with this conversation, and what I 61 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:17,320 Speaker 1: really wanted to cover in the first segment is the 62 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:21,519 Speaker 1: firing of Pam Blondie as Attorney General. A lot of 63 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:25,480 Speaker 1: people were blindsided by the news, most of all Pam Blondie, 64 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:28,400 Speaker 1: who apparently was begging the administration at the White House. 65 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:31,920 Speaker 2: Please don't fire me, Please let me keep my job. 66 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 2: President Trump, just give me more time. More time, That's 67 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:35,960 Speaker 2: all I need. 68 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:38,040 Speaker 3: She must have been the last person on earth to 69 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:39,600 Speaker 3: think that she wasn't going to get fired. 70 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:41,120 Speaker 2: Yeah. 71 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:43,640 Speaker 1: I think a lot of people may have seen this coming, 72 00:03:43,720 --> 00:03:51,240 Speaker 1: especially after the dismissal of Christy Nome. This was Fox 73 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:55,160 Speaker 1: and Friends making the announcement yesterday. Once the news started 74 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:57,080 Speaker 1: being circled around. 75 00:03:57,360 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 2: They just got off the phone with President Trump. We 76 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:00,560 Speaker 2: have a big skull. 77 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:04,840 Speaker 4: Pam Bondi will soon leave her job as the Attorney General. 78 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 4: She is going to get a different job within the administration. 79 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:10,760 Speaker 4: It doesn't sound like there is any bad blood between 80 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:13,640 Speaker 4: her and President Trump, but it does seem like they 81 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:16,200 Speaker 4: want her to go and do something else, and in. 82 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:17,159 Speaker 2: An interim role. 83 00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:20,839 Speaker 4: She will be replaced by Todd Blanche, who is currently 84 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:23,839 Speaker 4: her deputy at the Justice Department. So it doesn't sound 85 00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:27,240 Speaker 4: like Blanche is being elevated long term to the Attorney General. 86 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:28,880 Speaker 4: There might be somebody else that the President wants to 87 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:32,200 Speaker 4: go in there. But President Trump soon will announce to 88 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:35,120 Speaker 4: the entire world that it is the end of Pam 89 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:38,240 Speaker 4: Bondi's time as the Attorney General. He still thinks that 90 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:39,840 Speaker 4: she is a great person and. 91 00:04:39,839 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 2: That she did a good job, So why don't. 92 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:45,040 Speaker 1: You make like a tree and get out of here. Now, 93 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:46,840 Speaker 1: two things can't be true at the same time. You 94 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:50,960 Speaker 1: can't be doing a good job and also be worth firing, right, 95 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:54,280 Speaker 1: I mean, that's just bluster coming from the administration. She 96 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:57,680 Speaker 1: made a lot of mistakes, most prominently the handling of 97 00:04:57,680 --> 00:04:59,039 Speaker 1: the Epstein right. 98 00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:02,239 Speaker 3: I I have the list on my desk for review. 99 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:07,000 Speaker 3: I will be releasing it shortly. In then crickets that 100 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:08,960 Speaker 3: was a problem. I think she was on borrowed time 101 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:10,640 Speaker 3: ever since then. And then when she appeared in front 102 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:12,640 Speaker 3: of Congress here what a month or so ago? And 103 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:14,760 Speaker 3: oh that Gowell. 104 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:18,799 Speaker 1: No, she started ranting about the Dow Jones industrial average 105 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:20,840 Speaker 1: during her testimony before Congress. 106 00:05:20,880 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 2: This was so out of place, Brad. 107 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 5: None of them asked Merrick Garland over the last four 108 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:32,360 Speaker 5: years one word about Jeffrey Epstein. How ironic is that? 109 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:36,720 Speaker 5: You know why? Because Donald Trump the Dow the Dow 110 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:40,960 Speaker 5: right now is over. The Dow is over fifty thousand dollars. 111 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:43,280 Speaker 5: I don't know why you're laughing. You're a great stock trainer. 112 00:05:43,279 --> 00:05:47,120 Speaker 5: As I hear raskin, the Dow is over fifty thousand 113 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:51,839 Speaker 5: right now, the SMP had almost seven thousand and the 114 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 5: nasdaqs smashing records. Americans flour oh one k's and retirement 115 00:05:57,040 --> 00:06:01,119 Speaker 5: savings are booming. That's what we should be talking about. 116 00:06:01,680 --> 00:06:05,599 Speaker 5: We should be talking about making Americans safe. We should 117 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:07,479 Speaker 5: be talking about what does a DOW have to do 118 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:10,400 Speaker 5: with anything? That's what they just ask, Are you kidding? 119 00:06:11,160 --> 00:06:13,119 Speaker 1: Shut up, silly woman. 120 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:13,920 Speaker 6: Yeah. 121 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:17,599 Speaker 1: I think in that instance, Pam Blondie really failed to 122 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:20,919 Speaker 1: live up to expectations, provide any level of clarity and 123 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 1: was desperately trying to deflect at that point. 124 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:25,200 Speaker 2: And it was obvious. 125 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:28,760 Speaker 3: It's obvious it was so now it does make you 126 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:32,640 Speaker 3: wonder Trump's gotten rid of all the hotties that were 127 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:33,400 Speaker 3: in his cabinet. 128 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:36,040 Speaker 2: He's got to replace them. I mean, who was next 129 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:36,440 Speaker 2: in line? 130 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 1: It's supposed to be. And this is according to the 131 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:41,680 Speaker 1: rumor mill. I don't think any official announcements have been 132 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:45,839 Speaker 1: made yet, but former New York Congressman Lee Zelden, the 133 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:50,000 Speaker 1: current head of the EPA, his name is being circulated 134 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:53,840 Speaker 1: around as a possible replacement for Pam Bondi. He'd be 135 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:56,279 Speaker 1: an interesting choice. He has a military career. He was 136 00:06:56,320 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 1: one of the youngest practicing New York attorneys when he 137 00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:01,599 Speaker 1: got his law license I believe, at the age of 138 00:07:01,640 --> 00:07:03,920 Speaker 1: twenty three, back in two thousand and four. 139 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:07,960 Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean there's some bona fides there. Based 140 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:10,160 Speaker 3: on style, I figured it might be like Jenny McCarthy. 141 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:15,480 Speaker 3: All right, Now, seriously, I got two text messages yesterday 142 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:19,880 Speaker 3: from people who know stuff. Both of them said, Todd 143 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:23,760 Speaker 3: Rokeda are Indiana's own. Todd Roketa is being considered. 144 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:28,440 Speaker 1: I would not be surprised that his name was in consideration, 145 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 1: considering how loyal he has been to the Trump administration. 146 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:34,560 Speaker 1: He has been a real friend and partner ally of 147 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 1: the Trump administration. In communication with him, you know, he 148 00:07:39,640 --> 00:07:44,080 Speaker 1: was real, really connected with the Trump agenda, with the 149 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:47,720 Speaker 1: Trump Plan. He has associated his name with the Trump branding. 150 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:51,040 Speaker 1: So you know, usually that kind of association pays off, 151 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:54,120 Speaker 1: especially with Donald Trump, who likes getting his ears tickled. 152 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:56,120 Speaker 2: He does, yeah, he does. See. 153 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:59,720 Speaker 1: He even said as much during the Easter luncheon at 154 00:07:59,760 --> 00:08:03,200 Speaker 1: the White House. This was a this was a fascinating 155 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:04,600 Speaker 1: drop from the President. 156 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:08,040 Speaker 6: We have a regime change. Like nobody thought it was possible. 157 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:10,480 Speaker 6: They said, what do you mean, you have regime change 158 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:14,560 Speaker 6: my friend, great show. I love this guy. He's so 159 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:18,600 Speaker 6: nice to me every time I watch, and I appreciate. 160 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:21,560 Speaker 6: You know, we're not supposed to be seduced that way, 161 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:25,160 Speaker 6: but I am. When somebody's nice to me, I love 162 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:29,680 Speaker 6: that person. Even if they're bad people, I couldn't care less. 163 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:33,359 Speaker 6: I'll fight to the end for them. So I appreciate it. 164 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:34,959 Speaker 7: What an odd thing to say. 165 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:39,120 Speaker 1: As long as they're nice to me, I like that. 166 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:41,240 Speaker 2: They could be really bad people, they could be the worst. 167 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:44,560 Speaker 1: Well, I mean you to look at look at how 168 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:49,360 Speaker 1: Todd Raketa's personal personal life kind of blew up after 169 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:51,600 Speaker 1: that that run for Senate, you know where he had 170 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:55,360 Speaker 1: the long list of obligations for his chauffeur. 171 00:08:55,880 --> 00:08:57,800 Speaker 2: You know, yeah, it kind of kind of went. 172 00:08:57,720 --> 00:09:00,840 Speaker 1: Off, went off the deep end, but very complimentary Donald Trump. 173 00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:03,040 Speaker 1: And you heard Donald Trump just said there that that 174 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:04,439 Speaker 1: goes a long way in his book. 175 00:09:04,559 --> 00:09:09,000 Speaker 3: So so let's just since we're going the w iff route, 176 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:13,280 Speaker 3: if Todd rakeita Is is offered the job, I mean, 177 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:15,400 Speaker 3: it's been pretty evident that Todd Raketa wants to be 178 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:17,800 Speaker 3: governor of the state of Indiana, which he could potentially 179 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:20,959 Speaker 3: run for in two years. Does he take the US 180 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:24,599 Speaker 3: Attorney general spot or does he stick it out in 181 00:09:24,679 --> 00:09:26,320 Speaker 3: the NSA and I want to be governor here. 182 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:30,760 Speaker 1: I think he probably has a better shot of being 183 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:33,160 Speaker 1: the governor here. I think that would be better for 184 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 1: his long term career. But if he were offered the position, 185 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:37,960 Speaker 1: I mean, who's going to turn down a spot at 186 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:42,679 Speaker 1: the White House? Ultimately true, even even if you're living 187 00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:44,800 Speaker 1: on borrowed time in a Trump administration. 188 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:49,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I guess. I mean he could stay attorney 189 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:50,840 Speaker 2: general there for a couple of years and then. 190 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:53,839 Speaker 1: Yeah, and then ago or yeah, I kind of come 191 00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:56,280 Speaker 1: back then for governor or just wait, you know, wait 192 00:09:56,320 --> 00:09:58,960 Speaker 1: to be fired. Like so many Trump administration officials tend 193 00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:00,520 Speaker 1: seem to be aftereriod of time. 194 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:03,120 Speaker 3: Now, I know the Indian Attorney General this much, and 195 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:05,319 Speaker 3: I know he's not a huge fan of Washington, d C. 196 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:08,439 Speaker 3: And he is a big fan of Indiana, So I 197 00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:10,600 Speaker 3: don't know. Interesting, Like I said, that's a big wat if. 198 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:13,360 Speaker 3: And it's only from these two text messages where I've 199 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:16,360 Speaker 3: ever heard his name mentioned. But these were kind of insiders. 200 00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:18,719 Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, that's curious. One of them is just 201 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:20,800 Speaker 3: kind of a one off from a crazy person. But 202 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:22,800 Speaker 3: if you hear it twice then it's like, well, maybe 203 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:23,480 Speaker 3: there's something to it. 204 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:27,480 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to ninety three WIBC, Brad Clofenstein and 205 00:10:27,520 --> 00:10:31,679 Speaker 1: Ethan Hatcher on the Morning Show. Pam Blondie out Todd 206 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:35,600 Speaker 1: Blanche as the acting Attorney General temporarily in who will 207 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:39,720 Speaker 1: replace him ultimately remains to be seen. Lee Zelden, Todd Rakeeda, 208 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:43,000 Speaker 1: other names also a possibility, and we'll keep you informed 209 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:46,400 Speaker 1: right here on ninety three WIBC. Stay tuned. Coming in 210 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:49,360 Speaker 1: the studio. Up next is Jesse Brown to discuss the 211 00:10:49,400 --> 00:10:52,560 Speaker 1: incoming data center in the Martindale Brightwood neighborhood. Don't miss 212 00:10:52,559 --> 00:11:06,920 Speaker 1: that conversation. Tety three WIBC, Ethan Hatcher and Brad Klopfenstein 213 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:09,880 Speaker 1: on the Morning show this morning, and we are joined 214 00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:13,199 Speaker 1: by special guest Jesse Brown in the studio with us. 215 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:15,280 Speaker 1: And before we get to you, Jesse, I can already 216 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:17,400 Speaker 1: see some people in the YouTube chat room. 217 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:18,000 Speaker 2: They're upset. 218 00:11:18,040 --> 00:11:20,719 Speaker 1: We got the Socialist City Council member right here in 219 00:11:20,800 --> 00:11:23,400 Speaker 1: the sacred studios of WIBC. 220 00:11:23,679 --> 00:11:26,440 Speaker 2: Aw Man, Jesse. They're they're very upset to see you. 221 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:29,200 Speaker 1: But I think that we can have a conversation here, 222 00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:32,880 Speaker 1: because it shouldn't matter what side of the political aisle 223 00:11:32,920 --> 00:11:35,600 Speaker 1: you happen to be sitting on if all of the 224 00:11:35,640 --> 00:11:39,320 Speaker 1: parties that are speaking are invested in good governance. And 225 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:44,160 Speaker 1: that's the real conversation here, representing the constituency, representing the 226 00:11:44,200 --> 00:11:46,760 Speaker 1: will of the people. And from the turnout that I 227 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:49,640 Speaker 1: saw the protesters that showed up to the city council 228 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:54,319 Speaker 1: member meeting, it seems that the opposition for this data 229 00:11:54,360 --> 00:11:58,079 Speaker 1: center is overwhelming in the Martin Dale Brightwood neighborhood. 230 00:11:58,080 --> 00:11:58,640 Speaker 2: But man, that. 231 00:11:58,559 --> 00:12:01,640 Speaker 1: Metropolitan Development commiss and they just they just rammed it through. 232 00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:03,320 Speaker 2: They do not care, do not give. 233 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:05,839 Speaker 8: An f about those people. That sure is how it 234 00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:08,000 Speaker 8: looks to me as well. Yeah, I'm saying about a 235 00:12:08,120 --> 00:12:11,600 Speaker 8: ninety five percent opposition to the data center from people 236 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:14,040 Speaker 8: from across the political spectrum, just as we are in 237 00:12:14,040 --> 00:12:14,800 Speaker 8: the studio today. 238 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:17,840 Speaker 1: So yes, right wing, left wing, independent, It. 239 00:12:17,880 --> 00:12:19,440 Speaker 2: Has aout annursoot theory. Live. 240 00:12:19,559 --> 00:12:22,480 Speaker 1: Well, when you've seen, when you've seen how data centers 241 00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:26,360 Speaker 1: act as bad neighbors. We have the Meta Metadata Center 242 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:29,439 Speaker 1: that is going up right now in the Indianapolis area, 243 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:32,760 Speaker 1: and it is it is a bad neighbor to the 244 00:12:32,760 --> 00:12:35,520 Speaker 1: people living nearby. You got the bright floodlights on at 245 00:12:35,559 --> 00:12:38,280 Speaker 1: all hours of the night. You got loud construction sound, 246 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:41,600 Speaker 1: helicopter noises that are keeping people up at all hours. 247 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:44,960 Speaker 1: It's driving down property value and it's also driving up 248 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:48,719 Speaker 1: utility costs. You could hear how unpopular this was in 249 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:52,320 Speaker 1: the room when the Metropolitan De Melsi Development Commission rammed 250 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:52,760 Speaker 1: it through. 251 00:12:52,920 --> 00:12:55,920 Speaker 2: Listen to the booze the plan. 252 00:12:55,520 --> 00:13:01,200 Speaker 3: To pass down five breakingly quiet. 253 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:17,679 Speaker 8: That was an officer in a neighborhood association shouting out, 254 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:19,000 Speaker 8: r how do you sleep at that? 255 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:23,560 Speaker 2: Not a great sign for any politician. 256 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:27,080 Speaker 1: No, no, they were not happy at all. Tell us 257 00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:30,400 Speaker 1: how this might impact the neighborhood, Jesse and why people 258 00:13:30,640 --> 00:13:33,199 Speaker 1: might oppose having a data center built right next to him. 259 00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:33,760 Speaker 2: Absolutely. 260 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:35,319 Speaker 8: Well, you know, I think it's important to start with 261 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:38,439 Speaker 8: a little bit of historical context. So libertarians might be 262 00:13:38,800 --> 00:13:41,439 Speaker 8: familiar with this, but you know, big government pushing a 263 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:44,080 Speaker 8: big infrastructure project through a neighborhood doesn't always raise your 264 00:13:44,080 --> 00:13:47,160 Speaker 8: property values, right, And so the I seventy at I 265 00:13:47,240 --> 00:13:50,439 Speaker 8: sixty five expansion in Indianapolis went right through some historically 266 00:13:50,440 --> 00:13:53,079 Speaker 8: black neighborhoods, including Martindale, Brightwood, and so I've talked to 267 00:13:53,160 --> 00:13:56,079 Speaker 8: constituents and people just outside my district who, you know, 268 00:13:56,120 --> 00:13:58,719 Speaker 8: their grandmother, their great grandmother built a house there, and 269 00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:01,120 Speaker 8: they could just point to where they're poperty. Values plummeted 270 00:14:01,160 --> 00:14:03,120 Speaker 8: and they lost the ability to have that personal wealth 271 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:05,680 Speaker 8: to lift people out of poverty. So they're already naturally 272 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:08,959 Speaker 8: pretty suspicious of people claiming that a big development is 273 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:12,760 Speaker 8: necessarily going to impact their neighborhood positively. But over the 274 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:15,360 Speaker 8: course of years they built this quality of life plan, 275 00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:17,640 Speaker 8: which is this whole ordeal. You have to get tons 276 00:14:17,679 --> 00:14:21,000 Speaker 8: of buy in from stakeholders, you know, neighbors who associate 277 00:14:21,040 --> 00:14:23,880 Speaker 8: in a formal association. It's tricky to get people out 278 00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:25,560 Speaker 8: to meetings in the evening when they don't think there's 279 00:14:25,560 --> 00:14:26,560 Speaker 8: anything in it for them. 280 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:29,080 Speaker 2: Church has got involved, business has got involved. They worked 281 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:30,040 Speaker 2: through the city to get. 282 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:33,400 Speaker 8: This formal quality of life plan approved that would say, yes, 283 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:36,520 Speaker 8: we want development in our neighborhood, but we wanted to 284 00:14:36,560 --> 00:14:38,240 Speaker 8: be on our terms. We wanted to make sure it 285 00:14:38,280 --> 00:14:40,800 Speaker 8: doesn't just gentrify us out of the neighborhood. We wanted 286 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:44,080 Speaker 8: to build wealth locally, build good jobs. And so they 287 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:47,360 Speaker 8: took great pains to create this, Metroblocks comes in and 288 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:50,320 Speaker 8: just ignores all of that. I was at the very 289 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:52,760 Speaker 8: first meeting that the community had with Metroblocks with there 290 00:14:52,760 --> 00:14:54,840 Speaker 8: were it had to be over fifty people there showing up, 291 00:14:55,160 --> 00:14:56,960 Speaker 8: and yes they were hostile to the data center from 292 00:14:56,960 --> 00:14:58,520 Speaker 8: the beginning, but they asked, you know, are you going 293 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:00,760 Speaker 8: to promise us local jobs, are going to promise us 294 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:02,480 Speaker 8: local money? Are you going to work with us and 295 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:05,840 Speaker 8: work with their quality of life plan? Metroblock said, yes, 296 00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:08,200 Speaker 8: we promise. If this isn't supported by the community, we 297 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:11,480 Speaker 8: will withdraw. And now they've obviously reinegged on that problem. Well, 298 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:13,480 Speaker 8: that's great if they have a plan, that's great. 299 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:15,360 Speaker 3: If somebody has a plan for my property, but that 300 00:15:15,520 --> 00:15:17,920 Speaker 3: might not fit with my plans for my property. Sure, 301 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:20,960 Speaker 3: and even if you have a plan, at what point 302 00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:24,880 Speaker 3: does when this plan does not get executed, do you 303 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:25,600 Speaker 3: have to pivot? 304 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:29,440 Speaker 2: I mean that property has been sitting vacant for forty years. 305 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:32,080 Speaker 8: It has, it has and neighbors don't like that, to 306 00:15:32,160 --> 00:15:33,760 Speaker 8: be clear, And you know, neighbors will be the first 307 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:35,560 Speaker 8: to tell you it was vacant for a long time, 308 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:37,240 Speaker 8: but it was up. It was kept up, you know, 309 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:39,240 Speaker 8: people were parking semis and stuff that was probably not 310 00:15:39,320 --> 00:15:41,840 Speaker 8: actually legal, but it was providing some sort of value 311 00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:44,760 Speaker 8: to some local business owners recently in the last couple 312 00:15:44,760 --> 00:15:48,320 Speaker 8: of years. That's really kind of ball a seed. Let's 313 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:51,720 Speaker 8: put it in a radio appropriate way. I caught myself 314 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:54,960 Speaker 8: last second. Sorry about that, you know, But I have 315 00:15:55,120 --> 00:15:57,760 Speaker 8: talked with several other developers who also have plans for 316 00:15:57,800 --> 00:16:01,480 Speaker 8: that site, who've worked with the community, that the community supports. 317 00:16:01,160 --> 00:16:03,280 Speaker 2: More so, and do they have money behind it. 318 00:16:03,640 --> 00:16:05,760 Speaker 8: They did really alternative plans, and one was a lumber 319 00:16:05,840 --> 00:16:08,680 Speaker 8: company that already has an existing facility that they're just 320 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:10,440 Speaker 8: outgrowings they wanted to move anyway. 321 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:12,560 Speaker 2: This would be a second. If that's why lumber out 322 00:16:12,560 --> 00:16:14,600 Speaker 2: in the Lawrence, I'm all all for getting them out 323 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:15,040 Speaker 2: of Lawrence. 324 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:18,280 Speaker 8: It's not them. I won't say anymore. It's not my district. 325 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:20,920 Speaker 8: But okay, all that is to say, the options here 326 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:24,480 Speaker 8: are not another forty years of vacancy or this unpopular project. 327 00:16:24,880 --> 00:16:28,120 Speaker 2: Okay, I just I mean, I have. 328 00:16:28,160 --> 00:16:30,160 Speaker 3: Said for a while the data centers have done a 329 00:16:30,520 --> 00:16:34,120 Speaker 3: terrible job of selling themselves, because it's true, for sure, 330 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:36,840 Speaker 3: on the surface, we all need the data that they 331 00:16:36,920 --> 00:16:42,480 Speaker 3: provide and when you're talking about milliseconds making a difference 332 00:16:42,520 --> 00:16:44,720 Speaker 3: to communities, if you have a data center right next door, 333 00:16:44,800 --> 00:16:48,720 Speaker 3: that encourages other businesses who need that data instantaneously to 334 00:16:48,920 --> 00:16:51,680 Speaker 3: also invest in that community and be right next door. 335 00:16:52,640 --> 00:16:55,360 Speaker 3: Provided that the data center is paying for their own infrastructure, 336 00:16:55,400 --> 00:16:58,480 Speaker 3: that does not increase the utility rates for the people 337 00:16:58,520 --> 00:17:02,200 Speaker 3: in the community. It seems like a pretty inert thing 338 00:17:02,280 --> 00:17:02,800 Speaker 3: to put there. 339 00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:06,000 Speaker 8: Yeah, I don't think that's necessarily false, but I mean 340 00:17:06,040 --> 00:17:07,560 Speaker 8: there's a couple of things about this data center in 341 00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:11,280 Speaker 8: particular that I think are especially problematic. You know, Indianapolis 342 00:17:11,320 --> 00:17:14,800 Speaker 8: does not have a zoning regulatory system that works for 343 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:16,440 Speaker 8: data centers as a whole. They're trying to make it 344 00:17:16,520 --> 00:17:18,800 Speaker 8: up as they go along. And what they first did 345 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:21,200 Speaker 8: when the first giant one to come to town, the 346 00:17:21,320 --> 00:17:26,200 Speaker 8: Google in Franklin Township, Michael Paul Hart led the resistance against. 347 00:17:26,880 --> 00:17:29,960 Speaker 2: Republican city Republican. I'll give him credit, yes, one hundred percent. 348 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:31,800 Speaker 8: He since kind of walked that back and been a 349 00:17:31,840 --> 00:17:33,480 Speaker 8: little bit more pro data center, but you know, I 350 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:37,159 Speaker 8: don't blame him for that. But when he first was 351 00:17:37,240 --> 00:17:39,600 Speaker 8: fighting that, the city didn't know what they wanted to 352 00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:41,440 Speaker 8: do about data centers, and so the planners at the 353 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:44,240 Speaker 8: Department of Metropolitan Development were just told, I don't know, 354 00:17:44,560 --> 00:17:46,440 Speaker 8: let's figure this out as we go. Let's try to 355 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:48,000 Speaker 8: find a set of standards that will apply to this 356 00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:51,080 Speaker 8: project and all the data center projects moving forward. So 357 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:53,320 Speaker 8: they did that, but of course that included things like 358 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:57,320 Speaker 8: thirty foot setbacks the Martin Dell Brightwood site for the Metroblocks. 359 00:17:57,400 --> 00:17:59,720 Speaker 8: If you had thirty foot setbacks around that, you'd have 360 00:17:59,760 --> 00:18:02,080 Speaker 8: no site left. And so they're like, well, never mind, now, 361 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:05,639 Speaker 8: let's change the standards we just adopted. So partly, I 362 00:18:05,720 --> 00:18:07,600 Speaker 8: will say Metroblocks is getting the short end of the 363 00:18:07,640 --> 00:18:10,239 Speaker 8: stick because the city has not been proactive enough at 364 00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:13,880 Speaker 8: really setting standards. And so two community members, it sure 365 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:16,080 Speaker 8: looks like developers are just making the rules up as 366 00:18:16,119 --> 00:18:17,960 Speaker 8: they go along, and we're rewriting the rules to fit 367 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:21,200 Speaker 8: what the developers want, which kind of makes zoning only 368 00:18:21,359 --> 00:18:23,640 Speaker 8: against the community and not against any kind of standards, 369 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:25,159 Speaker 8: worst of both worlds. 370 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:26,119 Speaker 5: You know. 371 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:28,720 Speaker 8: The other thing about this data center, that's you know, 372 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:32,520 Speaker 8: just the rezone got approved. The appeal lost yesterday or 373 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:35,600 Speaker 8: two days ago. This is right next to a library, 374 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:39,680 Speaker 8: a community center, residential homes and a grocery store the 375 00:18:39,720 --> 00:18:42,920 Speaker 8: Safeway right there. So the worry is, not only is 376 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:45,800 Speaker 8: this unpopular in this neighborhood, but now we've set a 377 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:48,960 Speaker 8: precedent that there's no real zoning standards that makes sense 378 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:51,280 Speaker 8: for data centers until we come up with the holistic 379 00:18:51,320 --> 00:18:52,280 Speaker 8: one that works for all of them. 380 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:53,720 Speaker 2: So now you're worried. 381 00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:55,320 Speaker 3: You know, I used to be on the indian applis 382 00:18:55,359 --> 00:18:57,320 Speaker 3: Board of Zoning Appeals, and I would always ask the 383 00:18:57,440 --> 00:18:59,680 Speaker 3: question when somebody comes in and said, we are you know, 384 00:18:59,720 --> 00:19:01,520 Speaker 3: if there's a remonstrator it says we don't want this 385 00:19:01,600 --> 00:19:03,880 Speaker 3: in our community. I'm like, all right, in this case, 386 00:19:04,040 --> 00:19:08,040 Speaker 3: zoning centers are not illegal if not there where right, And. 387 00:19:08,080 --> 00:19:09,879 Speaker 8: I think that's a fair question. And you know, I 388 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:11,960 Speaker 8: could like come in and say I want no data 389 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:13,040 Speaker 8: centers anywhere in Man County. 390 00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:13,680 Speaker 2: That's my stance. 391 00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:16,840 Speaker 1: I mean, there aren't there lots of available industrial sites 392 00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:19,000 Speaker 1: on the west side of Indianapolis. 393 00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:20,200 Speaker 2: That would be my create lots. Yes, this had to 394 00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:20,720 Speaker 2: be rezoned. 395 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:23,800 Speaker 8: It wasn't previously zoned industrial for this purpose, and it 396 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:26,280 Speaker 8: wasn't previously zoned to allow such building heights. You know, 397 00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:28,040 Speaker 8: there's a lot of variants that they had to require, 398 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:30,560 Speaker 8: So to me, that just shows that this site wasn't appropriate. 399 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:34,159 Speaker 8: We're not anti data center, We're not anti development. We 400 00:19:34,280 --> 00:19:37,879 Speaker 8: are pro We are pro responsible development development. And I 401 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:41,000 Speaker 8: think one thing that community members want to see when 402 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:43,119 Speaker 8: developments are added in their neighborhoods is they want to 403 00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:43,600 Speaker 8: see jobs. 404 00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:45,680 Speaker 2: They want to see some payoff, and there are. 405 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:48,920 Speaker 1: Not a lot of job opportunities when these data centers 406 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:51,680 Speaker 1: come to town. In fact, Metroblocks is promising forty five 407 00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:54,840 Speaker 1: permanent high skilled workers to be employed on the site. 408 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:57,040 Speaker 1: How many of those people are going to be employed 409 00:19:57,119 --> 00:19:59,399 Speaker 1: from the neighborhood versus how many of those people are 410 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:01,879 Speaker 1: going to be potentially imported using the H one b 411 00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:05,560 Speaker 1: VS assess system. That's not going to be giving Hoosier's jobs, 412 00:20:05,600 --> 00:20:07,680 Speaker 1: and it's going to be increasing the pressure and the 413 00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:10,240 Speaker 1: prices in your neighborhoods in order to facilitate this. 414 00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:12,639 Speaker 2: That's not good news for the residents, right And that was. 415 00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:14,160 Speaker 8: Some of the first questions they asked at that first 416 00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:16,480 Speaker 8: meeting is how can we get on a track right now? 417 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:19,159 Speaker 8: They're like, we think we have more skilled laborers here 418 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:21,000 Speaker 8: in this community than you realize, and so let us 419 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:23,280 Speaker 8: help you find them, or if you find like some 420 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:25,880 Speaker 8: gap in qualifications, how do we meet those cause it's 421 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:27,520 Speaker 8: going to take a little while for construction. How do 422 00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:30,360 Speaker 8: we get people skilled up? And Metroblocks didn't seem willing 423 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:31,320 Speaker 8: to have that conversation. 424 00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:35,080 Speaker 1: No, In fact, they just railroaded right over of residence objections, 425 00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:37,639 Speaker 1: which I think is terrible because you should be listening 426 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:40,800 Speaker 1: to the will of the constituency. That's the primary job 427 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:46,199 Speaker 1: of representative government. Emphasis on the representative part of representative government. 428 00:20:46,320 --> 00:20:48,320 Speaker 8: That's been my stance is like, yes, I personally oppose 429 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:50,720 Speaker 8: data centers, but it shouldn't be about me, right. I 430 00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:52,720 Speaker 8: don't think my job as an elected official is to 431 00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:56,720 Speaker 8: just lord over people and let the benighted masses, you know, 432 00:20:57,080 --> 00:21:00,840 Speaker 8: learn from my expertise. Right, My job is to represent people. 433 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:04,560 Speaker 8: And if you know, Ron Gibson or Metroblocks or you know, whatever, 434 00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:07,920 Speaker 8: local officials and developers can't make the case, then yeah, 435 00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:10,400 Speaker 8: that's a salesmanship problem. Maybe maybe the residents are wrong, 436 00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:12,640 Speaker 8: but why do we have a government at all unless 437 00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:14,680 Speaker 8: the will of the residence is the final thing that 438 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:15,240 Speaker 8: they consider? 439 00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:15,439 Speaker 2: Right? 440 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:18,800 Speaker 1: In just a minute, we have to go to the 441 00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:23,200 Speaker 1: WIBC News with Jared Lewis So in just a short 442 00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:26,920 Speaker 1: round up, is this the last hurrah? Are is the 443 00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:31,080 Speaker 1: pretty much game over since the Development Commission approved this zoning? 444 00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:33,440 Speaker 1: Or or will the residents still be able to push 445 00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:36,960 Speaker 1: back in any meaningful way to prevent this or modify 446 00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:40,000 Speaker 1: the construction in a way that better benefits and suits 447 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:40,880 Speaker 1: the neighborhood's needs. 448 00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:43,000 Speaker 2: I'll tell you what. The residents are upset, but they 449 00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:44,680 Speaker 2: have not given up. So I know. 450 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:47,640 Speaker 8: Lawyers have been retained, other politicians have been retained. We're 451 00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:50,359 Speaker 8: looking at every possible option, and it will take some 452 00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:53,240 Speaker 8: creativity because I think Metroblocks feels that that was the 453 00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:54,800 Speaker 8: end of the road and they're dusting their hands off, 454 00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:56,160 Speaker 8: but we're still fighting. 455 00:21:56,840 --> 00:21:59,119 Speaker 2: Where's the mayor? Where's the mayor in all this? 456 00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:02,560 Speaker 8: He has pretend to be neutral while his economic development 457 00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:06,040 Speaker 8: organization and his staff are all pushing this through. I've 458 00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:09,520 Speaker 8: talked to city planners who were fired who originally proposed 459 00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:12,200 Speaker 8: that the staff would be against this data center. So 460 00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:15,720 Speaker 8: his thumb is all over this, even though he's trying 461 00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:16,320 Speaker 8: to keep his name. 462 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:16,440 Speaker 2: Out of it. 463 00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:19,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, Joe Hawk said, he's always there for a photo opportunity, 464 00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:21,280 Speaker 1: but he's not there when the residents are crying out 465 00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:23,920 Speaker 1: and needing somebody to be a voice for them. Thanks 466 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:25,879 Speaker 1: for coming in the studio, Jesse. We really appreciate you 467 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:27,400 Speaker 1: pleasure to be here, but it's not the last time, 468 00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:31,200 Speaker 1: definitely not. Thanks for listening to ninety three WIBC. Coming 469 00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:45,200 Speaker 1: up next is Jared Lewis with the News. Thanks for 470 00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:48,760 Speaker 1: listening to ninety three wiv C with Ethan and Brad 471 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:49,680 Speaker 1: on the air. 472 00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:51,760 Speaker 2: I got to give a shout out to keV and 473 00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:54,200 Speaker 2: the Booth for playing some White Store for us. Is 474 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:56,399 Speaker 2: this some yacht rock? What is this? This is the 475 00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:58,840 Speaker 2: White Store, Indianapolis's own White Stores. 476 00:22:59,040 --> 00:22:59,320 Speaker 4: Okay. 477 00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:03,360 Speaker 2: It was like their big national hit from the nineties. 478 00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:05,600 Speaker 2: This is what put them on the map. Actually they 479 00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:06,520 Speaker 2: were on the map locally. 480 00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:09,360 Speaker 3: They were a ball state band and then this song 481 00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:15,159 Speaker 3: hit in about nineteen ninety eight and they briefly became 482 00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:16,720 Speaker 3: a thing, and then they. 483 00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:17,439 Speaker 2: Were no longer a thing. 484 00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:22,639 Speaker 1: Indianapolis has a very underrated position in music history, especially 485 00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:25,480 Speaker 1: the development and proliferation of jazz music in the early 486 00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:29,680 Speaker 1: nineteen twenties. One of the most popular bands the Ink Spots. 487 00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:31,879 Speaker 1: You know, there's a huge label back in the day 488 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:37,040 Speaker 1: originated right here in Naptown. We played a pivotal role 489 00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:40,560 Speaker 1: in the development of African American music. So, I mean, 490 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:45,480 Speaker 1: I think that the history of Indianapolis music often gets 491 00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:48,960 Speaker 1: overlooked when compared to you know, like Memphis or Los 492 00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:53,119 Speaker 1: Angeles or other recording you know megaspots around the country. 493 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:57,240 Speaker 3: Right, So, we don't have a fantastic live music scene. 494 00:23:57,800 --> 00:23:59,840 Speaker 3: And I noticed that even I went to college at 495 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:03,840 Speaker 3: had almost a zero live music scene when I was there. 496 00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:06,760 Speaker 3: Bloomington and Munsey had a much better live music scene. 497 00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:10,359 Speaker 3: But even late eighties, early nineties, there were several bands 498 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:12,920 Speaker 3: around here and a couple of them Henry Lely Summer 499 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:16,200 Speaker 3: briefly made it big nationally. The White Store made it big. 500 00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:20,040 Speaker 3: Situation Gray was another one that was very popular locally. 501 00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:23,640 Speaker 3: So there's been some I'm not sure right now there's 502 00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:26,200 Speaker 3: there's venues that have live music. I'm not sure that 503 00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:28,960 Speaker 3: any of them are knocking at the door of stardom. 504 00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:32,040 Speaker 1: Slippery Noodle they got a great live music they do. 505 00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:36,320 Speaker 1: We've got several other spots that have a pub whiskey 506 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:39,240 Speaker 1: business out in Lawrence. So yeah, there's several Obviously, Ale 507 00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:42,280 Speaker 1: imporiums have live music. So there are some and some 508 00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:45,800 Speaker 1: award winning wings at Aleen Portium. They need, they need 509 00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:48,520 Speaker 1: to be a sponsor of this show. Ethan Hey, I 510 00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:49,560 Speaker 1: will sponsor some wings. 511 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:50,439 Speaker 9: I love hot wings. 512 00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:53,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, well that doesn't it bone in, bone in only. 513 00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:55,080 Speaker 2: Tony Kwaikowski, I'm looking at you. 514 00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:58,399 Speaker 1: If you get the boneless, you're a Woosie's That's what 515 00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:01,040 Speaker 1: I have to say about it. People don't like to 516 00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:03,320 Speaker 1: slop my way or the highway. It's it's bone in 517 00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:03,800 Speaker 1: or it's not. 518 00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:08,520 Speaker 2: Just like data centers. You a Jesse Brown. You're all 519 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:10,320 Speaker 2: for choice as long as it's your choice. 520 00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:12,760 Speaker 1: Well, look, you can choose them. They're not chicken wings, 521 00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:15,280 Speaker 1: though they're chicken nuggets. You can have the chicken nuggets 522 00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:17,040 Speaker 1: if you want the chicken nuggets. I'm not saying they can't. 523 00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:18,320 Speaker 2: They can't have them. It's not a wing, you know, 524 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:21,040 Speaker 2: there's not a wing. There was a lawsuit that somebody 525 00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:22,640 Speaker 2: filed I think against Buffalo Wild one. 526 00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:24,600 Speaker 1: Yes, and it was a great travesty that they were 527 00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:26,680 Speaker 1: ruled against. You can call them something else, but it's 528 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:29,440 Speaker 1: not a wing, especially if it's primarily comprised of breast meat. 529 00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:31,840 Speaker 2: Not wing meat. That's that's a totally different part of 530 00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:32,760 Speaker 2: the chicken at that point. 531 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:37,359 Speaker 1: Whatever, potaters, but Datas, we're not here to talk about wings. 532 00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:40,240 Speaker 9: Well we yes, the sauce primarily best. 533 00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:44,080 Speaker 1: But we are here to talk about the incredible economic 534 00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:48,240 Speaker 1: pressure that the conflict in the in Iran, the war 535 00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:51,679 Speaker 1: in Iran continues to inflict on the American citizens at 536 00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:55,359 Speaker 1: a time when I think most people can ill afford it, Brad. 537 00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:56,800 Speaker 2: I am all spent out. 538 00:25:57,200 --> 00:26:00,200 Speaker 1: I am tired of the pressure, after the pandemic, the 539 00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:05,080 Speaker 1: rise of inflation, the oil prices. I don't want to 540 00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:07,840 Speaker 1: pay four dollars a gallon. But we're here again, We're 541 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:09,880 Speaker 1: back to the four dollars a gallon, Brad. 542 00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:11,480 Speaker 2: When does it stop? When does it end for the 543 00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:14,640 Speaker 2: American people? Well, you're just invested in the wrong thing, Ethan. 544 00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:18,080 Speaker 3: You need to sell all those houses and invest in missiles, yeah, 545 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:19,840 Speaker 3: or oil fields or oil fields. 546 00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:20,320 Speaker 2: Yeah. 547 00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:22,360 Speaker 3: Actually I was too late on Dad. I look math 548 00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:24,440 Speaker 3: on oil went from like sixty dollars to one hundred 549 00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:26,040 Speaker 3: and twenty less than a week. 550 00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:31,760 Speaker 1: Secretary of State Marco Rubio echoed comments that were made 551 00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:37,399 Speaker 1: by the Secretary of War Pete Hegseth a criticism of 552 00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:42,679 Speaker 1: Iran that is incredibly ironic, and I'm not sure they 553 00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:46,800 Speaker 1: totally hear themselves when they make this criticism that Iran 554 00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:50,560 Speaker 1: is spending too much on missiles in military and not 555 00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:51,960 Speaker 1: enough on the people. 556 00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:54,160 Speaker 10: Here was Marco Rubio, And at the end of the day, 557 00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:56,320 Speaker 10: I think that if there are people in Iran who, now, 558 00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:59,280 Speaker 10: given everything that's happened, are willing to move in a 559 00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:01,640 Speaker 10: different direction for their country, that would be great. Imagine 560 00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:04,119 Speaker 10: in Iran that and spend instead of spending their wealth 561 00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:07,520 Speaker 10: billions of dollars supporting terrorist or weapons, had spent that 562 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:09,919 Speaker 10: money helping the people of Iran, you'd have a much 563 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:10,639 Speaker 10: different country. 564 00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:15,000 Speaker 2: So we are always hopeful that that would exist over there. Ironic, 565 00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:16,320 Speaker 2: what about here? 566 00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:18,919 Speaker 1: How much money are we spending on the military. How 567 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:21,160 Speaker 1: can you say that with a straight faced, Brad when 568 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:23,480 Speaker 1: the Pentagon is coming out with their hands held out 569 00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:26,320 Speaker 1: and saying, we need two hundred billion more dollars, guys 570 00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:28,600 Speaker 1: to proscute the war in a rim. We need more missiles, 571 00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:30,520 Speaker 1: more bombs. You know this is gonna be a South 572 00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:35,159 Speaker 1: Park episode. I mean I can already visualize it now. 573 00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:37,119 Speaker 3: Everybody's just going to stand there and blink and be like, 574 00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:40,280 Speaker 3: you don't seem to draw the correlation on this, do you. 575 00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:42,040 Speaker 2: It's ripe for criticism. 576 00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:45,639 Speaker 1: And you had Donald Trump again at that Easter luncheon 577 00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:48,639 Speaker 1: at the White House, and he covered a lot of 578 00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:53,720 Speaker 1: topics on that broad ranging over hour long conversation before 579 00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:56,600 Speaker 1: the guest gathered in the White House lunch room. But 580 00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:58,240 Speaker 1: one of the things that he said was that we 581 00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:02,200 Speaker 1: can't possibly take care of things like daycare because we 582 00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:03,320 Speaker 1: got a war to pay for. 583 00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:05,879 Speaker 11: The United States can't take care of daycare. 584 00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:08,359 Speaker 6: That has to be up to a state. We can't 585 00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:10,119 Speaker 6: take care of daycare. We're a big country. 586 00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:12,600 Speaker 11: We have fifty states, we have all these other people 587 00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:15,840 Speaker 11: who are fighting wars. We can't take care of daycare. 588 00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:18,040 Speaker 11: You got to let a state take care of daycare. 589 00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:20,280 Speaker 11: And they should pay for it too. They should pay 590 00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:23,080 Speaker 11: They have to raise their taxes, but they should pay 591 00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:23,280 Speaker 11: for it. 592 00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:25,280 Speaker 6: And we could lower our taxes a little bit to 593 00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:26,399 Speaker 6: them to make up. 594 00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:31,360 Speaker 11: But it's not possible for us to take care of daycare, Medicaid, medicare, 595 00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:33,399 Speaker 11: all these individual things. 596 00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:35,280 Speaker 6: They can do it on the state basis. 597 00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:37,040 Speaker 11: You can't do it in a federal We have to 598 00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:39,520 Speaker 11: take care of one thing, military protection. 599 00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:44,200 Speaker 2: What would you say you do here? 600 00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:48,080 Speaker 1: Now, Look, I'm not one of these people that says 601 00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:51,440 Speaker 1: the federal government should be providing daycare for the citizens 602 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:54,840 Speaker 1: are paying for your daycare. But all things considered, if 603 00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:58,840 Speaker 1: we were spending substantially less on military protectionism, maybe we'd 604 00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:01,480 Speaker 1: have a little bit more to spend on things that 605 00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:04,440 Speaker 1: do make a difference for the American people, or better yet, 606 00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:07,720 Speaker 1: just taxes less. Think about how much federal taxes you 607 00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:10,080 Speaker 1: pay every year. Wouldn't it be great to see that 608 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:11,880 Speaker 1: bill lowered and then you could spend the money on 609 00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:13,680 Speaker 1: whatever you wanted, including daycare. 610 00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:15,040 Speaker 2: Maybe you'd be able to afford the. 611 00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:17,560 Speaker 1: Daycare if we weren't spending so much on missiles and 612 00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:20,400 Speaker 1: military just like Marco Rubio said about Iran. 613 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:22,080 Speaker 2: Now that's my problem. 614 00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:24,280 Speaker 3: I firmly believe that we should have punched Ran in 615 00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:27,240 Speaker 3: the nose, probably thirty years ago, thirty five years ago. 616 00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:31,320 Speaker 3: This was long overdue and something needed to be done. 617 00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:36,040 Speaker 3: But saying that we can't pay for daycare, and I'm 618 00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:37,680 Speaker 3: not even saying that we should pay for daycare, but 619 00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:40,080 Speaker 3: you shouldn't say, well, it's because we're fighting a war 620 00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:42,400 Speaker 3: daycare is gonna get cut. 621 00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:45,800 Speaker 1: A war of choice. We're a totally self inflicted wound. 622 00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:48,960 Speaker 1: Something that the United States could have easily avoided. The 623 00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:51,680 Speaker 1: Straits of hor Moves, they were already open before the 624 00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:53,080 Speaker 1: conflict with Iran started. 625 00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:55,320 Speaker 2: That was something that we didn't have a problem with. 626 00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:57,960 Speaker 1: How could we can't get it open now, that's a 627 00:29:58,040 --> 00:29:59,960 Speaker 1: good question, especially since Donald Trump. 628 00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:01,040 Speaker 2: I thought we already won. 629 00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:03,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what Donald Trump has said that we've won 630 00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:07,880 Speaker 1: multiple times. It's turning into mission accomplished too, electric boogloo. 631 00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:11,280 Speaker 1: Remember the comment from George Bush very famously on the 632 00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:14,440 Speaker 1: aircraft carrier or mission accomplished the banner in the background, 633 00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:16,600 Speaker 1: and then we proceeded to be involved in the Iraqi 634 00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:18,720 Speaker 1: War for what another eight years after that? 635 00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:20,400 Speaker 2: Well, I don't think this is going to turn into 636 00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:21,440 Speaker 2: an eight year conflict. 637 00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:22,160 Speaker 9: God, I hope not. 638 00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:24,880 Speaker 2: But we have the strongest navy in the world. 639 00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:27,840 Speaker 3: But yet we're saying you other forty European countries, you 640 00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:28,920 Speaker 3: guys need to take care. 641 00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:29,520 Speaker 2: Of this problem. 642 00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:32,360 Speaker 1: They've hid the missiles in the mountain sides, and the 643 00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:36,680 Speaker 1: IRGC is very effective and trained at being able to 644 00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:39,400 Speaker 1: operate independently from one another. 645 00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:40,920 Speaker 2: They're not as reliant on. 646 00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:44,440 Speaker 1: The Central Command, and they've been trained to operate in 647 00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:48,320 Speaker 1: the mountainous region that way and maintain control over the 648 00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:51,120 Speaker 1: country at all costs. How can you say that we've 649 00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:54,800 Speaker 1: affected regime change. If the IRGC is still entrenched and 650 00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:57,520 Speaker 1: in control of the region, they might be damaged, they 651 00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:00,600 Speaker 1: might be battered. Many of their air force, some navy 652 00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:05,920 Speaker 1: and military installations and missile installations have been hit and decimated, 653 00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:07,680 Speaker 1: but they're still in charge. 654 00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:10,080 Speaker 2: Ethan followed me on this. I'm an idea guy. 655 00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:14,880 Speaker 3: Okay, for the price of one missile, we build giant nets. 656 00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:17,880 Speaker 3: We just knot some nets over the tops of these 657 00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:20,480 Speaker 3: hills and mountains so that they can no longer launch 658 00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:21,440 Speaker 3: the missiles. 659 00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:24,520 Speaker 1: Out giant nuts. There's the idea nets. Well, we just 660 00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:27,360 Speaker 1: him them in and problem solved. The issue is we 661 00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:29,600 Speaker 1: might not have enough money for it. And you know 662 00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:33,080 Speaker 1: there's a problem, Brad, when even the head of the 663 00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:37,160 Speaker 1: Federal Reserve, you got Jerome Powell saying that we're headed 664 00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:40,080 Speaker 1: for a problem if we don't get the national debt 665 00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:42,720 Speaker 1: under control. Even the Federal Reserve is saying that the 666 00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:45,400 Speaker 1: government has relied too much and too long on the 667 00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:48,960 Speaker 1: magical money printing factory. This should raise the hair on 668 00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:49,720 Speaker 1: the back of your neck. 669 00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:53,720 Speaker 7: What's clear is that our debt is growing much faster. 670 00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:58,000 Speaker 7: The federal government debt is growing substantially faster than our economy, 671 00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:00,720 Speaker 7: and that ratio is going up, and you know, in 672 00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:03,480 Speaker 7: the long run, that's kind of the definition of unsustainable. 673 00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:06,840 Speaker 7: The level of the debt is not unsustainable. 674 00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:08,040 Speaker 4: But the path is not sustainable. 675 00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:11,880 Speaker 7: And so it's it's really important that we get back 676 00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:14,160 Speaker 7: to we want to pay the debt down. We just 677 00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:18,360 Speaker 7: need to have you know, primary balance, and begin to 678 00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:21,880 Speaker 7: have the economy actually growing better and growing more quickly 679 00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:24,840 Speaker 7: than the economy. It will it will not end well 680 00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:27,440 Speaker 7: if we don't do something fairly soon. 681 00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:29,840 Speaker 9: I'm in danger. 682 00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:32,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a bit of a problem, Brad. That jer Peal, 683 00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:35,840 Speaker 2: he's a smart fellow. A lot of maybe listen to him. 684 00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:38,560 Speaker 1: Well yeah, yeah, on everything except that we don't need 685 00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:41,360 Speaker 1: to pay the debt debt down. We absolutely need to 686 00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:42,280 Speaker 1: pay the debt down. 687 00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:46,520 Speaker 2: Ethan, I am for let's just stop increasing the debt. 688 00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:48,239 Speaker 2: We don't even need to pay it down right now, 689 00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:49,360 Speaker 2: Let's just not increase it. 690 00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:51,600 Speaker 1: I think that's what he's saying. But Hey, Well, I mean, 691 00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:53,800 Speaker 1: first we got to look at Donald Trump. Because Donald 692 00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:58,240 Speaker 1: Trump has driven the national debt over the last you know, 693 00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:01,840 Speaker 1: over those first administry now his second administration, he has 694 00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:04,600 Speaker 1: added to the national debt more than any other president. 695 00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:06,760 Speaker 1: That's not a Democrat. That's behind the spending. That's a 696 00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:08,080 Speaker 1: Republican and that's a problem. 697 00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:12,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, physical conservatives cough and choke when they pull the 698 00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:12,640 Speaker 3: lever for him. 699 00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:13,800 Speaker 2: I don't get it. 700 00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:17,400 Speaker 1: He's he's not a conservative. Oh, he's a New York Democrat. 701 00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:19,520 Speaker 1: We're finding that out more and more and more every 702 00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:23,040 Speaker 1: single day. Thanks for listening to ninety three at WIBC. 703 00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:26,040 Speaker 1: Coming up next, of course, we got to talk about 704 00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:29,040 Speaker 1: the secret life of Christy Nomes husband. It's been all 705 00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:32,600 Speaker 1: over the news this week and amusing conversation and we'll 706 00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:34,200 Speaker 1: touch on it coming up next. 707 00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:45,800 Speaker 9: Stay tuned, Welcome back to. 708 00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:52,120 Speaker 1: Ninety three WIVC Ethan brad Filling and Christy Nomes husband 709 00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:57,560 Speaker 1: has been the center of conversation and controversy Brian nom 710 00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:01,440 Speaker 1: this week as his double life has been exposed by 711 00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:04,760 Speaker 1: the Daily Mail. Apparently he has what's known as a 712 00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:09,760 Speaker 1: bimbo fication fetish. He enjoys cross dressing. That's the shorthand 713 00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:13,080 Speaker 1: dressing up as a very exaggerated female. 714 00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:16,120 Speaker 2: I've never heard the term bimbo fication. 715 00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:18,320 Speaker 1: Oh there's the first time for everything, Brad. This was 716 00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:22,399 Speaker 1: Christy Nome responding to the news with her friends, caught 717 00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:23,000 Speaker 1: on tape. 718 00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:29,400 Speaker 6: Get breast, What do you mean breast? 719 00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:33,840 Speaker 2: Big breast? A lot of older men have that, not 720 00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:40,759 Speaker 2: these these were real hooters. I was throwing up whole night, 721 00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:43,960 Speaker 2: like my old personal prying game. 722 00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:49,040 Speaker 1: Look, I'm somebody who believes that what consenting adults do 723 00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:52,560 Speaker 1: behind closed doors is their issue. But when you are 724 00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:56,560 Speaker 1: a public figure and you are posting these images that 725 00:34:56,840 --> 00:35:01,560 Speaker 1: can be uncovered online, you run the of mockery. When 726 00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:03,839 Speaker 1: when this sort of thing gets found out. 727 00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:06,719 Speaker 2: Now is Brian a public figure, Well, he is. 728 00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:09,400 Speaker 1: The husband of the public figure, A husband of a 729 00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:13,640 Speaker 1: public figure, a public figure that very very recently could 730 00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:17,160 Speaker 1: have potentially been blackmailed with revelations like this. Were they 731 00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:19,279 Speaker 1: to be exposed, you could you could hold that over 732 00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:21,560 Speaker 1: their head. So so I think I think that counts. 733 00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:25,440 Speaker 2: Have you been bimbo ficated? I have not, Brad. I 734 00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:27,920 Speaker 2: So that's a that's a new term that. 735 00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:32,680 Speaker 3: I need my wife to call in. She's a former 736 00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:34,960 Speaker 3: English teacher. She could tell me if that can be 737 00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:39,960 Speaker 3: a verb, a noun, an adjective. Huh yeah, so yeah, 738 00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:43,799 Speaker 3: I guess which. What gets me is he's got kind 739 00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:44,640 Speaker 3: of the haughty wife. 740 00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:47,800 Speaker 2: That is everything. Apparently he wants to be in his 741 00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:48,560 Speaker 2: private life. 742 00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:53,040 Speaker 1: So do we believe for a moment that Christy Nooman 743 00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:56,440 Speaker 1: was unaware, because she's maintaining, at least publicly, that she 744 00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:59,080 Speaker 1: was blindsided by this revelation. You know, he was living 745 00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:01,440 Speaker 1: by a double life. Family didn't see this coming. But 746 00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:04,640 Speaker 1: if you're living in close proximity to an individual, you're 747 00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:08,560 Speaker 1: married to them, presumably you you know these things already. 748 00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:11,399 Speaker 2: Right, I'm shocked that there's gambling going on in here, right, 749 00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:11,800 Speaker 2: you know? 750 00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:15,400 Speaker 1: If anything, she's wondering like why are all my sweatshirts 751 00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:16,120 Speaker 1: stretched out right? 752 00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:21,799 Speaker 2: Erect? Good wearing my clothes? Uh yeah? 753 00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:25,360 Speaker 1: And also, according to reports from Fox News, he was 754 00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:29,800 Speaker 1: spending upwards of twenty five thousand dollars on these online chats. 755 00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:32,960 Speaker 2: Christy Noam is asking for privacy and prayers tonight. 756 00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:35,520 Speaker 12: She's said to be devastated by a report alleging her 757 00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:39,040 Speaker 12: husband has been what is being called a cross dressing 758 00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:43,200 Speaker 12: double life. Former Homeland Security Secretary Christi Noman now President Trump. 759 00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:47,719 Speaker 12: Responding to a report regarding Noam's husband's alleged online activities, 760 00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:50,520 Speaker 12: a spokesperson tells a Daily Mail that she's devastated and 761 00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:53,120 Speaker 12: the quote the family was blindsided by this and they 762 00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:56,399 Speaker 12: ask for privacy and prayers at the time. President Trump 763 00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:59,040 Speaker 12: tells the outlet he knew nothing about it, adding Wow, 764 00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:00,800 Speaker 12: I feel bad for the family. 765 00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:02,640 Speaker 9: If that's the case, that's too bad. 766 00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:05,800 Speaker 12: The Daily Mail alleges it obtained hundreds of messages between 767 00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:08,160 Speaker 12: Brian Nome and three women involved in a site where 768 00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:11,160 Speaker 12: men cross dress. The Mail posted several of these photos 769 00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:13,800 Speaker 12: and writes Brian Nome allegedly sent women in the community 770 00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:16,360 Speaker 12: twenty five thousand dollars in virtual payments. 771 00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:22,520 Speaker 2: Oohm, twenty five thousand dollars. 772 00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:23,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that would buy a lot of daycare 773 00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:26,759 Speaker 1: braw they would problem solved. 774 00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:29,279 Speaker 2: Now, of course. 775 00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:32,239 Speaker 1: Brett Bear said that Christy Nome is asking for privacy. 776 00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:36,160 Speaker 1: Do you get that privacy? Are you entitled to that 777 00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:39,919 Speaker 1: privacy as a public official? Or should we just look 778 00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:42,920 Speaker 1: the other way and can sending adults can do what 779 00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:45,560 Speaker 1: they wish behind closed She is not into privacy. 780 00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:48,640 Speaker 3: She spent what like a million dollars on Gary makeup 781 00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:50,320 Speaker 3: and that whole photo shoot. 782 00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:53,560 Speaker 2: Yes, for the commercials. Yes, she is definitely a person 783 00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:57,200 Speaker 2: who likes to be seen. And so no, I'm not 784 00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:57,680 Speaker 2: buying it. 785 00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:01,080 Speaker 3: And for anybody who's watching on youtubebe if you're playing 786 00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:04,759 Speaker 3: the home game and you had Bimbo Bimbofication on your card, 787 00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:05,839 Speaker 3: that's an automatic win. 788 00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:06,600 Speaker 2: Check that off. 789 00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:09,240 Speaker 1: All right, two hundred thousand or two hundred million dollars 790 00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:12,719 Speaker 1: on an ad campaign centering yourself that doesn't buy you privacy. 791 00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:15,840 Speaker 1: Stay tuned in ninety three. WIBC Hour two is on 792 00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:16,279 Speaker 1: the way.