1 00:00:04,640 --> 00:00:07,400 Speaker 1: You listen to the Hammer and Nichel show. 2 00:00:08,360 --> 00:00:10,680 Speaker 2: Jim, I want to say something that might surprise a 3 00:00:10,720 --> 00:00:16,400 Speaker 2: lot of people. Okay, I agree with what liberal columnist 4 00:00:16,560 --> 00:00:20,000 Speaker 2: James Briggs writes in The Indie Star Today. It happens 5 00:00:20,040 --> 00:00:23,000 Speaker 2: every now, and that's not often, but it happens. 6 00:00:23,680 --> 00:00:24,440 Speaker 1: What is it about? 7 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:29,680 Speaker 2: Agree with the article? It's an opinion piece. Quote hog Set. 8 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:35,080 Speaker 2: Let Thomas Cook run Indianapolis now his legacy is imploding. 9 00:00:35,680 --> 00:00:38,760 Speaker 2: It's a story about stuff Well, let's be honest that 10 00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:41,840 Speaker 2: we've been talking about for years now. I almost feel 11 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:44,519 Speaker 2: like Bruce Willison die Hard Welcome to the party. 12 00:00:46,479 --> 00:00:48,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I mean to be fair. 13 00:00:48,479 --> 00:00:51,120 Speaker 3: That's how bad hog Set has been that even a 14 00:00:51,159 --> 00:00:53,920 Speaker 3: liberal columnist like James Briggs is like, I'll. 15 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:56,120 Speaker 1: Go Gokay, that's enough. We've had enough here, right. 16 00:00:56,840 --> 00:01:00,720 Speaker 2: I mean, imagine if it had been a Republican oh Man, 17 00:01:01,040 --> 00:01:03,640 Speaker 2: throw any name out there. Let's say Todd Rakeeda, who's 18 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 2: a flamethrower for the Libs. Right, the Libs hate Todd Rakeeda. 19 00:01:09,520 --> 00:01:13,920 Speaker 2: Imagine if Todd Rakeeda had a massive sexual harassment scandal 20 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:18,400 Speaker 2: and appeared to show up drunk and went missing during 21 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:22,520 Speaker 2: riots like the Star would have camped out. CNN would 22 00:01:22,520 --> 00:01:24,320 Speaker 2: have had trucks down there. It would have been def 23 00:01:24,360 --> 00:01:27,399 Speaker 2: Con one. Howk Set does it and he keeps getting 24 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:30,440 Speaker 2: re elected. Well, if it was Rokeda, we would. 25 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:32,720 Speaker 3: Have known by now where he was during the riots 26 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:34,360 Speaker 3: because they wouldn't have stopped, and they would have asked 27 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:36,319 Speaker 3: the questions again and again until the stop, till the 28 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:39,640 Speaker 3: talking stopped. But apparently this came out of an Indie 29 00:01:39,680 --> 00:01:43,520 Speaker 3: Mirror slash Indie Star article where they dug up this 30 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:48,080 Speaker 3: impropriety or the appearance of impropriety. And it's going to 31 00:01:48,160 --> 00:01:50,480 Speaker 3: be interesting because we've had all of these hog Set 32 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:52,160 Speaker 3: scandals that have led up to this. You know, we 33 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:55,200 Speaker 3: still got two more years until the next mayor's election. Right, 34 00:01:55,360 --> 00:01:58,080 Speaker 3: I'm gonna be fascinating to see how much more is 35 00:01:58,160 --> 00:02:00,840 Speaker 3: going to start coming out, because it seems like once 36 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:03,880 Speaker 3: these sort of scandals start breaking through and people start 37 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:06,400 Speaker 3: paying attention to them, then you get more people from 38 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:09,120 Speaker 3: inside the administration that want to talk to reporters that 39 00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:11,760 Speaker 3: want to slide them information. Right, We've got two more 40 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:14,120 Speaker 3: years here, and I have this feeling that this isn't 41 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:15,800 Speaker 3: going to be the last scandal coming out of that 42 00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 3: out of that office. 43 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:21,360 Speaker 2: You've worked in Indiana politics. Gut gut feeling hawks at 44 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:25,080 Speaker 2: running again. I think he is now. Yeah, if I 45 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 2: had to say so, I think he is now. I 46 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:28,359 Speaker 2: think if it was a couple of years ago or 47 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:30,359 Speaker 2: right after the last election, I would have said no. 48 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:33,160 Speaker 1: But but things have changed. Things have changed in his 49 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:35,240 Speaker 1: personal life, things have changed in the politicals. You know 50 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:37,639 Speaker 1: what has it changed? He can't get another job. That's 51 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:38,600 Speaker 1: the other part of it too. 52 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:42,720 Speaker 3: I mean, well, all of these politicians once they go somewhere, 53 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 3: I mean Eric Holcomb found another job. 54 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:46,200 Speaker 1: Took him a little while, but he got one. 55 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:48,840 Speaker 3: All of these politicians will find somebody to write him 56 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 3: a big check to do nothing and you know, hold 57 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:52,720 Speaker 3: down a job somewhere. But yes, if I had to, 58 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:55,280 Speaker 3: you know, gun to my head, bet in my paycheck 59 00:02:55,320 --> 00:02:57,120 Speaker 3: one way or the other, I would say that hag 60 00:02:57,160 --> 00:02:58,600 Speaker 3: Set is going to run again in twenty seven. 61 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:02,320 Speaker 2: He always said that the last election was this last one. 62 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:04,200 Speaker 1: But you're right. He thought he'd get. 63 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:07,080 Speaker 2: Some cushy gig at a university or the head of 64 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:08,239 Speaker 2: some think tank. 65 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:11,320 Speaker 3: Board of directors on something, some big group or company 66 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:12,359 Speaker 3: that pays a lot of money. 67 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:15,640 Speaker 2: But because he's the human version of a crinkled up cigarette, 68 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:18,480 Speaker 2: but you find on the ground at a speedway gas station. 69 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:23,680 Speaker 2: Nobody wants to hire Joe hawk Set. And it doesn't 70 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:27,960 Speaker 2: help the fact that all of the sexual harassment stuff 71 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:31,720 Speaker 2: that came out, which was predominantly against his old partner 72 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:36,000 Speaker 2: in crime, Thomas Carl Cook, that little wiener, but hog 73 00:03:36,040 --> 00:03:39,240 Speaker 2: Set knew about it and then brought the dude back 74 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:41,880 Speaker 2: and none of that stuff was in this half ast 75 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 2: report that in no way Wink Wink was bought and 76 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:46,760 Speaker 2: paid for by Joe hogg Set. 77 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 3: And you've got Bob Ostley, who was one of the 78 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:52,400 Speaker 3: only councilmen to reply to The Indie Star in their 79 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:54,880 Speaker 3: inquiries and try to get something on the record about this. 80 00:03:55,280 --> 00:04:00,840 Speaker 3: He said that it created an appearance of impropriety, no propriety, 81 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:03,040 Speaker 3: but just an appearance of impropriety. 82 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 1: I'm sure everything was on the up and up. It 83 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:06,840 Speaker 1: just didn't look good. Now. 84 00:04:06,920 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 2: I don't know if he's at the level of George Stephanopoulos, 85 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:13,400 Speaker 2: but vop Osley, he's a mover and shaker in the 86 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 2: butt sniffers list, Like there's no greater butt sniffer than 87 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:19,600 Speaker 2: George Stephanopoulos. But if you go down the list and 88 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:22,640 Speaker 2: you start getting into regional butt sniffers. There's a big 89 00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:25,560 Speaker 2: picture of vop Osley right there. You can't tell where 90 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:29,480 Speaker 2: his nose ends at hawk Sets. Ain't us begins, So listen, 91 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:32,680 Speaker 2: Why would you take our word for it? Maybe Joe 92 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:35,400 Speaker 2: hawk Sett wants to make some changes, Maybe he wants 93 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:39,120 Speaker 2: to put this whole sexual harassment scandal behind him, and 94 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:42,240 Speaker 2: here to lay out his new vision on how to 95 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:46,880 Speaker 2: change his perception is ai, Joe hawk Set. 96 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:49,440 Speaker 4: I am happy to announce an all new way we 97 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:54,160 Speaker 4: deal with sexual harassment here in the Mayor's office. Moving forward, 98 00:04:54,279 --> 00:04:57,880 Speaker 4: all employees will be asked to take harassment training. 99 00:04:57,640 --> 00:04:59,320 Speaker 1: Each year, okay, and there will be. 100 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:03,000 Speaker 4: Punishments if an employee doesn't take the training. All men 101 00:05:03,320 --> 00:05:07,800 Speaker 4: who refuse to take the training will be fired. All 102 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:12,279 Speaker 4: women who refuse to take the training will then be 103 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 4: sent to Thomas Carl Cook's house. Once there, Thomas will 104 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:22,880 Speaker 4: get you drunk, allegedly touch you, allegedly massage your thighs, 105 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:26,320 Speaker 4: and demand that you call him by the name anorexic 106 00:05:26,440 --> 00:05:29,800 Speaker 4: Kenny Loggins allegedly. Oh, and I will be there watching, 107 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:32,360 Speaker 4: not doing a damn thing about it, just watching and cheering. 108 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:36,760 Speaker 4: On Thomas Sure, oh, and no fat chicks either. Remember 109 00:05:36,839 --> 00:05:40,880 Speaker 4: in my office, women are things. I know this because 110 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:44,599 Speaker 4: all of these so called activists in Indye refuse to 111 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:49,599 Speaker 4: hold me accountable. Council members, women's groups, businesses in Indy, 112 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:55,440 Speaker 4: they all have stayed silent, so clearly they must support 113 00:05:56,040 --> 00:06:00,360 Speaker 4: the way Thomas Cook and I treat women. Allegedly, well, 114 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:03,880 Speaker 4: I've got a fifth of vodka with my name on it, allegedly, 115 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:06,320 Speaker 4: AI boss Hog set out. 116 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:08,120 Speaker 1: That's Ai. 117 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:12,520 Speaker 2: Joe Hawk said on how he's going to rebrand himself 118 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:15,560 Speaker 2: and fix the scandals taking place in inding It started. 119 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 3: His statements started really strong, Hey, we're going to do 120 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:20,120 Speaker 3: some sexual harassment training. It's going to be required mandatory 121 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:23,560 Speaker 3: for everybody. But went south in a hurry and something 122 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:26,960 Speaker 3: about touching thighs and right, yeah. 123 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:28,920 Speaker 2: I like to remind people of this on Twitter from 124 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:30,640 Speaker 2: time to time. I know there's a lot going on 125 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:34,960 Speaker 2: in the world, from government shut downs to ice raids 126 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:38,080 Speaker 2: and riots and no King's rallies and all this kind 127 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:39,440 Speaker 2: of stuff, peace deals. 128 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:41,560 Speaker 1: I get it, but do not forget. 129 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:45,560 Speaker 2: There was a major sexual harassment scandal in the Mayor's 130 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:50,040 Speaker 2: office in Indy and just recently members of the media 131 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:53,560 Speaker 2: have decided to cover it because Joe hawks said apparently 132 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:56,440 Speaker 2: is no longer useful to indie media. So that's why 133 00:06:56,440 --> 00:06:59,400 Speaker 2: you're seeing these negative articles. They don't want this dude 134 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:02,279 Speaker 2: around any more. They want somebody else. You wouldn't have 135 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:05,359 Speaker 2: got these articles six years ago. The stories haven't changed. 136 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:08,279 Speaker 2: Joe Hogg set today is the same dumpster fire of 137 00:07:08,279 --> 00:07:11,200 Speaker 2: a human being as he was years ago. But now 138 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 2: all of a sudden, the Russ mcquaid's of the world, 139 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:17,040 Speaker 2: the Brigs of the world, they're willing. 140 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 1: To cover it. 141 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:21,200 Speaker 2: Why because they realize he's a dumpster fire and he's 142 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:22,560 Speaker 2: not useful to them anymore. 143 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:25,680 Speaker 3: Well, and he is making Democrats look bad too, that's 144 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:27,920 Speaker 3: part of it. So they once a Democrat gets to 145 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:30,240 Speaker 3: the point where okay, you're really starting to destroy our 146 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:32,360 Speaker 3: brand a little bit here, then they're supporters in the 147 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:34,760 Speaker 3: media will start coming down on them, because as soon 148 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:36,880 Speaker 3: as the election comes around, it's just gonna be another 149 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 3: Democrat that's gonna get elected to there of Indianapolis, and 150 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:40,240 Speaker 3: that'll be somebody. 151 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:42,920 Speaker 1: That has a you know, quote unquote clean slate. 152 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:44,480 Speaker 3: That we can get started with and then get behind 153 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:46,920 Speaker 3: in support and then not ask any tough questions again 154 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:48,160 Speaker 3: for another five or six years. 155 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:52,160 Speaker 2: We're heading into a VOP Ossley v. Ryan Meher's election, 156 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:55,800 Speaker 2: assuming Hog sets not in it. If Hog sets in it, 157 00:07:56,480 --> 00:08:00,240 Speaker 2: let's see a VOP develops into a real boy from 158 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:03,920 Speaker 2: Pinocchio into a real boy and decides to compete against 159 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 2: Joe hogg Set. Because I know Ryan Meers will think 160 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:10,920 Speaker 2: about this, even Joe hogg Sett doesn't like Ryan Mears. 161 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:13,880 Speaker 2: That tells you everything you need to know about Ryan Mears. 162 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:17,200 Speaker 3: Well, and it'll also tell you how far Joe hogg 163 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:19,680 Speaker 3: Set is falling, because if he starts getting more and 164 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:22,640 Speaker 3: more challengers to him when the election comes around in 165 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:25,240 Speaker 3: twenty twenty seven, they're going to start I mean, do 166 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:27,560 Speaker 3: they smell blood in the water, so to speak figuratively, 167 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:30,840 Speaker 3: do they smell a weak politician? And the more stories 168 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:33,520 Speaker 3: like this come out, the weaker Joe hogg Set's going 169 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:35,200 Speaker 3: to get, and the more people are going to, you know, 170 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:37,040 Speaker 3: at least think about running against. 171 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:39,600 Speaker 2: Him if there is a primary, and maybe there's a 172 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:43,680 Speaker 2: primary debate, what if Ryan Mears was the one that 173 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:46,400 Speaker 2: brought the heat to Joe hogg Set like Ryan Meers 174 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:48,480 Speaker 2: I think, is the biggest reason why the crime in 175 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:50,679 Speaker 2: this city is the way that it is, because he'd 176 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:53,680 Speaker 2: rather be a public defender than a prosecutor. But I 177 00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:56,480 Speaker 2: could also see him maybe trailing in the polls a 178 00:08:56,520 --> 00:08:59,080 Speaker 2: little bit and being the one to ask Joe hogg 179 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:02,400 Speaker 2: Set right to his face, where were you during the riots? 180 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 2: We heard you were in a rehab facility? Is that true? 181 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:08,840 Speaker 2: Why did you bring back Thomas Carl Cook? Because yes, 182 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:12,240 Speaker 2: Joe hogg Set's done some debates, but Jefferson Shreve was 183 00:09:12,280 --> 00:09:14,679 Speaker 2: such a squish he didn't want any part of that. 184 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:18,200 Speaker 2: He'd rather talked about dog kennels or some ridiculous crap. 185 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:21,400 Speaker 2: And maybe it has to come from a Democrat. 186 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:23,200 Speaker 3: And if you want to beat Joe hog Set from 187 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:26,400 Speaker 3: a Democrat perspective, you're gonna have to ask those tough questions. 188 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:29,439 Speaker 3: So if you're gonna want to primary him and beat 189 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:31,360 Speaker 3: him in the primary, you're gonna have to come at 190 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:33,840 Speaker 3: him with those tough questions because if you don't, there's 191 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:34,760 Speaker 3: no way you're gonna win.