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Speaker 2: Yeah, we started our show today.

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Speaker 3: It was a wild day yesterday at the Indiana State House,

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Speaker 3: and I wasn't alone in my misery.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, one hundred and twenty seven people signed up to

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Speaker 4: give public testimony. You were one of them.

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Speaker 2: You know who else was one of them?

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Speaker 3: Our old pal, you know, from Saturday night on the Circle,

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Speaker 3: Saturday night, seven o'clock here at WIBC, Ethan Hatcher. He

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Speaker 3: joined us now, Ethan Hatcher. Hello, thanks for having me

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Speaker 3: in the studio.

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Speaker 1: Guys.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so you made the misery of yesterday a little

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Speaker 3: less miserable. You and I palled around for a couple

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Speaker 3: did a fantabulous job. I appreciate that, Rob, But you

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Speaker 3: know you picked the absolute worst spot for us to

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Speaker 3: stand in the crowd because we were right in the

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Speaker 3: had folks bumping against me every couple of minutes. We

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Speaker 3: were all packed in there like sardines. And I'll tell

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Speaker 3: you what those democrats stay.

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Speaker 1: That room smelled awful.

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Speaker 3: The body odor was wafting so thick you could cut

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Speaker 3: it with a knife. Okay, So I know, we laid

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Speaker 3: out a little bit about what happened, but you're you're

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Speaker 3: standing earlier, but you're standing in this hallway out front

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Speaker 3: of the State House, the Senate chambers in the state House.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they've got.

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Speaker 3: These speakers, but they're like little baby speakers, so you

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Speaker 3: can't hear anything. Yeah, and they're supposed to be putting

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Speaker 3: the thing, but they're like two people behind. So you

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Speaker 3: got to keep asking the guy who's like the gatekeeper,

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Speaker 3: and then he's getting annoyed everybody for asking. It was

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Speaker 3: a complete dumpster fire, and so were many of the

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Speaker 3: people and either and at numerous times looked at each

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Speaker 3: other and go, go, I hate that we're on the

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Speaker 3: same side of these people, Yeah, because they're nuts. Well,

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Speaker 3: at one point I looked at you and I, you know,

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Speaker 3: kind of mock tore up my speech.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, you know what, I've changed my mind. I'm

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Speaker 1: not supporting you people. Screw it.

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Speaker 4: And that was enough to do while we were questioning.

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Speaker 4: You know what would make someone change their mind? Ethan,

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Speaker 4: You did a good job when you were speaking in

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think they were a little bit surprised.

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Speaker 3: I was able to squeeze all that in, but I

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Speaker 3: was using my broadcasting training to great effect. I almost

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Speaker 3: did it, Rob, I almost got all the way through.

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Speaker 3: I gave ninety nine point five percent of a speech,

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Speaker 1: Very very last You nearly hit the post. Yeah almost.

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Speaker 3: I cut a paragraph out of mine because I said

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Speaker 3: I ain't giving Gaskell the thrill of buzzing me or

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Speaker 3: cutting me off because that little backstabb Remember he was

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Speaker 3: on our show screaming about how bad property taxes were,

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Speaker 3: and then he voted for that abomination of a property text.

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Speaker 3: But I said, AH, ain't giving him the thrill buzzing

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Speaker 3: to go. All right, So obviously the three undecided's, as

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Speaker 1: Am I good? Or am I good? You're good?

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Speaker 2: I told you exactly. I said those three are gonna

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Speaker 3: But say they're not voting for it yet, Well you

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Speaker 1: They're gonna get other people on the record too. They're

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Speaker 3: They didn't want the smoke the three deciders. Okay, so

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Speaker 3: I think these lefty people have no idea what they're doing,

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Speaker 3: and the idea that you're going to be booing other

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Speaker 3: having any of it. That works against you. These sinners

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Speaker 3: Everybody is getting their two minutes to make their stance

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 3: They brought out their little their little art projects and

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Speaker 1: And that's what it was all about.

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Speaker 3: It's about MEMI me, not about what's actually going on.

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Speaker 4: That's something that I noticed as I watched all of

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Speaker 2: Casey is the real hero and all of.

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Speaker 3: This, because look, I wouldn't have sat through three seconds

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Speaker 4: Whole until the vote I know, which happened at seven

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Speaker 4: forty one last night. But I noticed quite a few

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Speaker 4: things with the people that are against the redistricting came

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Speaker 4: from a lot of NGOs, nonprofits, and quite a few

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Speaker 4: had trumped arrangement syndrome. Is that way you were picking

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Speaker 1: Oh, I think that is a fair assessment, Casey.

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Speaker 3: Anytime, it was real easy to read which of the

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Speaker 4: Stuffed up to the to the podium as well.

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Speaker 3: Well, mostly because of the response from the crowd, Like,

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Speaker 3: He has good eagle eyed vision. But I can't even

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Speaker 4: Now you had mentioned I don't like being on the

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Speaker 1: No, No, not at all.

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Speaker 3: I was just joking because I think the important thing

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Speaker 3: Circle is our guest. He braved the elements yesterday, spent

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Speaker 3: and he's like, have a good day, see you, and

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Speaker 3: I was loved to be there by my loansome around

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Speaker 1: You, I told you, hey, they stink. I wanted to

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Speaker 3: I had to go to the grocery store before I

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Speaker 4: Rob.

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Speaker 1: I'm a working man, all right.

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Speaker 3: If you had to predict, because I genuinely have no

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Speaker 1: Had to call it, I'm gonna say down.

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Speaker 3: Really is that the Senate had already came out against this,

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Speaker 3: validating the scare tactics of all these swatters of.

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Speaker 1: The violent mob. And I just don't think we can

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Speaker 3: Now, maybe I'm wrong, Maybe these senators are all cowards

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Speaker 3: Maybe that's the secret sauce here that's going to sway

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Speaker 1: That's my guess. Casey.

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Speaker 3: You'll love this. So I obviously uh many many people

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Speaker 2: Oh am, I supposed to feel bad for the lobbyists.

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Speaker 1: Now the other thing you'll love this, see Violin.

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Speaker 3: Well, the other thing somebody told me yesterday is they said,

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Speaker 3: They're trying to slip all these bills through now in

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Speaker 2: But these wily old veterans are.

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Speaker 1: Like, well, nobody's paying any attention.

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Speaker 3: Nobody to come, bitch, let's put this Bill Ford I

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Speaker 1: Weren't we kind of joking about that?

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Speaker 4: Did you notice any difference with the presence of the

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Speaker 3: No, you could barely tell who was credential media. Most

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Speaker 3: then a few of them approached me for comment or

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Speaker 3: how do you spell your name?

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Speaker 1: Stuff like that, and then then it's like, ah, media.

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Speaker 4: Did you feel that Gaskell was talking directly to the

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Speaker 4: two of you when he was laying out the rules, cheering?

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, we were the doing.

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Speaker 3: We are our buddy Joe, My buddy Joe was there too,

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Speaker 3: and a big fan of our show and was at

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Speaker 3: the property tax rally. We were by far the best

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Speaker 3: to operate in decent society. So news splash if you're

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Speaker 3: you people would hate everything I stand for.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly right, I agree on this one.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no exactly.

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Speaker 3: But uh, the lefty people, you got to get your

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Speaker 3: act together, like you cannot be behaving like lunatics. That

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Speaker 3: is not gonna sway these people one way or another.

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Speaker 3: You're gonna be far more effective just being calm and

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Speaker 3: rational and saying your piece and then going home. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: listen to Rob speech. I mean he was uncharacteristically well

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Speaker 3: behaved that. I was very impressed. Now what do you

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Speaker 3: couple of melatonin? Well, god I do. We gotta go here.

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Speaker 3: But Casey, I'm talking about this earlier to start the show.

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Speaker 3: I had two ways I could go. It was the

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Speaker 3: fork in the proverbial fork in the road. I could

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Speaker 3: have just spent two minutes roasting those people, which in

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Speaker 3: hindsight I kind of wish i'd done now. But next time,

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Speaker 3: I talked to some people that are in the know,

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Speaker 3: and they said it would be far more effective for

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Speaker 3: you to use logic and kindness and really wow them

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Speaker 3: that you because some people think I am just a

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Speaker 3: and I think I totally confused everybody.

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Speaker 4: The one thing that impressed me both about the two

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Speaker 4: of you, Ethan, you stuck to kind of a historical

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Speaker 4: perspective with the founding fathers, and Rob you stuck to

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Speaker 4: the policy that wasn't the case with everybody who testified.

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Speaker 3: Ethan Hatcher, Saturday Nights, WIBC, Thank you, Thank you,