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Speaker 1: You're listening to the best of the Fan Morning show

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Speaker 1: on ninety three five and one oh seven five the

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Speaker 1: Fan Minor Rick Carlisle and nine o'clock today as they

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Speaker 1: got back late last night from the Motor City eight

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Speaker 1: thirty NFL draft analyst Dane Brugler, we tend to have

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Speaker 1: a draft centric conversation sometime during the bye week, and

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Speaker 1: this time it's not about the Colts. It will be

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Speaker 1: about more of the draft prospects in the state of Indiana,

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Speaker 1: particularly the quarterback in Bloomington, the running back in South Bend,

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Speaker 1: among others. We'll chat with Dane coming up at eight thirty.

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Speaker 1: For those that have not been outside yet, it is ugly.

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Speaker 1: Good luck on the morning commute. It is rainy, and

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Speaker 1: it is a bit dicey, and I have a failing

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Speaker 1: Matt Bear is a busy man over on WIBC with

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Speaker 1: some accidents.

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Speaker 2: So you know, Granma used to always say, and I

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Speaker 2: could tell like you are a non driver. I'll let you, Grandma,

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Speaker 2: but you don't drive, she used to always say. She

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Speaker 2: still says, it's not ugly weather because God made it.

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Speaker 2: It's all good weather. And that's a great perspective until

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Speaker 2: you have to drive.

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Speaker 1: Grandma, that is the most Grandma comment I've ever he Yes,

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Speaker 1: you lucky to even see in some weather you above ground.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, Okay, I don't want to get into the hall.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I should be grateful for everything at all times. Yes, yes,

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Speaker 1: I'm very grateful for rain.

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Speaker 2: But right now I am.

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Speaker 3: I'm definitely dropping a few God references while I'm driving

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Speaker 3: this weather, that's for sure. I'm seeing drivers with no

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Speaker 3: light sign or something.

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Speaker 2: She will tell me that at nauseum, to the point

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Speaker 2: where I feel like I can hear a little voice

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Speaker 2: in my head. Every time I walk outside. I'm like, oh,

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Speaker 2: it's cold. She's like, boy, just puts along. John's on

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Speaker 2: his good weather.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for those in the YouTube chat suggesting questions

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Speaker 1: to ask Rick Carlisle coming up at nine o'clock about

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Speaker 1: his favorite holiday or maybe the Colts game on Sunday, Lord,

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Speaker 1: I think pray for us. I can't say I'm looking

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Speaker 1: forward to that one. He did have a Sauce Gardener comment.

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Speaker 1: I believe it was, you know, a week or two ago,

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Speaker 1: when the Sauce Gardener trade happened. He walked into the

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Speaker 1: media room and mentioned that pre game Sauce Gardener to

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Speaker 1: Miami during the bye week. Is that right, James Boyd?

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Speaker 1: He was out. This is a second bye week for

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Speaker 1: Sauce Gardner. The man's living right. We got two bye weeks.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, two bye weeks, two overseas trips. Not a bad life.

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Speaker 1: Max Stick went overseas for the Jets game. Correct, they

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Speaker 1: were in Dublin, if I'm not mistaken, and then he

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Speaker 1: also went overseas on the Jets bye week, and then

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Speaker 1: with the Colts he obviously played in Germany last week,

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Speaker 1: and then Miami, which I guess is kind of closed overseas.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Sauce kind of strikes me as the guy who

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Speaker 2: probably said a little bit more than he probably should

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Speaker 2: in some situations, because even yesterday when he's talking what

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Speaker 2: he did in the bye week, he just goes and

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Speaker 2: goes kind of rambles and he's like, oh, yeah, Miami,

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Speaker 2: and we're like oh. When he said that, I was like,

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Speaker 2: I could sweet this out right now and just get

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Speaker 2: a bunch of stupid reactions. I did not, because I

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Speaker 2: was like, that's probably not fair to him. But he

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Speaker 2: strikes me as a guy who plays hard and enjoys.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's travel. I think cam Biden went to Hawaii

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Speaker 1: during the bye week. I mean, players travel during the

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Speaker 1: bye week.

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Speaker 2: I mean it's if this team is as good as

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Speaker 2: we think it is, and I believe they're a team

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Speaker 2: that at least won one playoff game shocking, I know,

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Speaker 2: and went on a limb here. But if that is

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Speaker 2: the case, this is your last little reach before you

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Speaker 2: try to lock in and go on a run.

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Speaker 1: Uh okay, Travarius Ward the update there James yesterday Shane

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Speaker 1: Stike and pretty much the most he would say on

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Speaker 1: ward was I'll have I should have some more information

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Speaker 1: for you on Wednesday. Yes, if I'm reading Tea leaves,

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Speaker 1: does that mean they open up the twenty one day

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Speaker 1: window for him to return to practice Wednesday.

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Speaker 2: That's what I would think. And the biggest reason I'm

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Speaker 2: you were still feeling the effects of a concussion. And

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Speaker 2: Kevin just to give everyone kind of the scene so

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Speaker 2: over in Berlin. This is probably the most access I've

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Speaker 2: had pregame ever in my career. They allowed us to

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Speaker 2: the Colts in their injury history or who was on

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that is great context. He has done something along

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Speaker 1: those lines that they get practiced too before they headed

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Speaker 1: your cardio decently. Well. You know, it's not like a

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Speaker 1: you need the twenty one day window, which again just

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Speaker 1: remind everybody, once you return to practice on injured reserve,

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Speaker 1: you have twenty one days to either be activated to

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Speaker 1: think signs point to Mooneyward practicing tomorrow, therefore playing on Sunday.

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Speaker 1: Inter reminder, this would be his first game back in

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Speaker 1: Arrowhead he has played four years. He played four years

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Speaker 1: his first four years in the NFL with the Chiefs.

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Speaker 1: He's played Kansas City before, most recently of course, with

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Speaker 1: The Forrest Buckner, I don't know. He did the stem

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Speaker 1: Cell thing and Shane Stike and is hopeful he returns

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Speaker 1: the season. And hope is the word he continues to use.

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Speaker 1: And I'll hold yeah. Like I said yesterday on the show,

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Speaker 1: that I'm Mary Kesher should I just be very happy

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Speaker 1: that Mattie said yes to.

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Speaker 2: I was about to say again, Matty, if you listen,

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Speaker 2: you want to black his eyes will I'm no snitch.

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Speaker 2: I'll turn the other cheek and you know let that happen,

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Speaker 2: but usually say that about Jeff I do, and honestly,

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Speaker 2: love your boss. But going back to the forest Bucker,

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Speaker 2: he's eligible to really return from IR, which will be

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Speaker 2: in week fifteen for the Seattle Seahawks game. Because at

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Speaker 2: that point, you have what three games left in the year.

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Speaker 2: We can straight up ask three or four. I believe

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Speaker 2: ask Shane is he coming back this year? Will he

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Speaker 2: back for the playoffs? Because at that point, I mean,

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Speaker 2: this point, if there is a possibility for him plague

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Speaker 1: I have to bring up Anthony Richardson because technically, like

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Speaker 1: Javeri's Ward James, he is eligible to return to practice tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: He and of course Mooney both got hurt in the

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Speaker 1: pregame war and up the Arizona game. Their stay on

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Speaker 2: Did I read that he leaves correctly?

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Speaker 1: There When I hear Shane, though, I hear not as

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Speaker 1: Anthony Richardson, it doesn't sound like it.

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Speaker 2: I think those terms or words that he used were

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Speaker 2: still rehabbing. And someone comments that when I put that

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Speaker 2: And I was thinking to myself, in a non joking manner,

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Speaker 2: need this just to heal thing, I am not sure

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Speaker 2: how orbital fractures really work. Is it something that you

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Speaker 2: just give it a certain amount of time? And I

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Speaker 2: don't think there is a rehabit kids.

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Speaker 1: They had surgery. Yeah, And so now the thought is, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I would assume just arrest.

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Speaker 2: Mostly there's no like workout. You can't put a weight

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Speaker 2: like that's not realistic. So I'm not so sure when

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Speaker 2: he'll be back. And I think the question you might

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Speaker 2: ask Kevin was about who's the backup.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and he did say that when Richardson gets cleared.

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Speaker 1: I believe he said if he said it's cleared, yes,

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Speaker 1: then he would go back to being the backup again.

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Speaker 1: It's been Riley Leonard for the last four games. And

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Speaker 1: you know, I just I bring all this up, James,

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Speaker 1: because Daniel Jones has had exceptional health through the first

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Speaker 1: it'll be the first time in his NFL career he's

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Speaker 1: it's in Jones's career, which is what this is now

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Speaker 1: it's rather unprecedented. He's reached this point of a season

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Speaker 1: and he's taken every snap without injury or bad play. So,

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Speaker 1: you know, the Colts have not needed any other quarterback

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Speaker 1: this year for a meaningful snap. We'll see if that

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Speaker 1: continues now as the Colts get back from.

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Speaker 2: Their some questions about the Colts that I can have

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Speaker 2: some numbers about the Colts that we can get into.

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Speaker 1: Okay, all right, maybe a little tee's there for.

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Speaker 2: Yes, for sure, for sure, I went down a rabbit

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Speaker 2: hole on a couple of these different things related to

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Speaker 2: the Colts, and so there are some numbers out there

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Speaker 2: that really stood out to me about this season. I

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Speaker 2: think our listeners can appreciate that kind of paint the

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Speaker 2: picture of how different things feel this year versus last

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Speaker 2: year and a few years prior.

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Speaker 3: Quinn just called and he asked, if you guys heard

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Speaker 3: anything on Jalen Carlis. What's his status?

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Speaker 4: I have not.

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Speaker 2: I will follow up. And this is something I'm kicking

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Speaker 2: myself for because that a few people reach out to

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Speaker 2: me to ask Shane this yesterday, but I will ask

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Speaker 2: tomorrow Wednesday. But here's my own personal belief. And I

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Speaker 2: know people are.

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Speaker 1: Set the scene on car lights for a second here

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Speaker 1: because I think some people might not know do second

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Speaker 1: year linebacker was thought to be a starter next to

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Speaker 1: Desire Franklin. This year, I don't think he really grasped

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Speaker 1: We'll give those Colts numbers James mentioned here eight o'clock hour.

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Speaker 4: Badly? Badly?

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Speaker 1: Matt Gay doesn't miss extra points. I know that, But

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Speaker 1: extra points. Michael Badgley missed his extra points?

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Speaker 2: Was ever missed that Matt Gay had last year.

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Speaker 2: Mmmm. I don't know, Kevin. I feel like once you

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Speaker 1: Turn, brother, if it's good enough for you, you might

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Speaker 1: aren't we one more badgely short mess away from this

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Speaker 1: I know, the Colts have had some kicker struggles and

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Speaker 1: Gay did not miss short field goals. He did not

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Speaker 1: miss extra points. So how greedy do you want to get?

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Speaker 1: It's not like Michael Badgley's banging them home from fifty

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Speaker 3: I think Happy Gilmore sums up pretty good. I am

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Speaker 1: I'm gone sure, then get the hell out of my life.

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Speaker 4: Who need you beat it?

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Speaker 1: Leave me alone? I'm sorry, babe, I didn't mean that either.

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Speaker 1: You can't have it both well, that to be Chris

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Speaker 3: Can't have it both ways. No, I would say we

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Speaker 3: did the Mat Gay experience. I mean we were fielding kickers,

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Speaker 3: I don't want to go down that road again. I

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Speaker 1: Ignore the missed extra points by Badly.

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Speaker 3: No, but I also so you know who you're getting though,

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Speaker 2: Get Meg Gay? I would think, Hesitan, you've been telling

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Speaker 2: me how you need to be starting Gay kicked Michael Badgley. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I mean it's interesting to me like they have it,

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Speaker 1: He's missed two in five weeks. Yeah, I mean, you

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Speaker 2: But yeah, but also I mean Michael Badgley is somebody

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Speaker 1: He's not homecoming queen and valedictorianna.

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Speaker 3: I think you have to have a longer streak than

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Speaker 3: Boat with the Bears because Cairo Santos can't hit north

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Speaker 3: So you're the guy who has the booming leg. He's

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Speaker 2: So more concerning Michael Badgley being as short as he

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Speaker 1: I think it's the extra points. Honestly, the extra points

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Speaker 1: So that's what I agree. But you know, it's probably

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Speaker 1: Here the next four games outdoors. Just something to keep

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. When he dunked on Matheren and then

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Speaker 2: Talking to the Piston's bench. I mean the guy he

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Speaker 2: Mathering experience last night. Yes, if you had the bet

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Speaker 2: And then the second half he is literally team climb

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Speaker 2: one point. Now he's in rebuilding the back up higher.

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Speaker 1: Than Daniel Jones. Did you really pull out put out

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Speaker 3: It's a ridiculous question.

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Speaker 1: So you think it is a ridiculous, I don't think

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Speaker 3: experience before he makes extra points?

436
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Speaker 1: Okay, I mean, are extra points the one you really want?

437
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Speaker 2: Yes, especially for a team that scores at this rate.

438
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Speaker 4: You got change.

439
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Speaker 1: Stikeing goes for all the fourth downs. Anyways, how many

440
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Speaker 1: field goals are the Colts really kicking?

441
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Speaker 4: No?

442
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Speaker 3: That's why I posed the question, because do the fans

443
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Speaker 3: want to see Matt Gay trotting into West fifty sixth again?

444
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Speaker 4: Oh?

445
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Speaker 1: That happy gil More clip made me laugh. Dan Burglar

446
00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:47,720
Speaker 1: draft analyst at eight thirty. Much more Colts, much more Pacers.

447
00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:53,080
Speaker 1: The Heisman campaign officially announced from Indiana. Fernando Mendoza will

448
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Speaker 1: hit on that, laughing.

449
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Speaker 2: One of the people in the YouTube jet said, good morning, coach,

450
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Speaker 2: how are you good.

451
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Speaker 1: Oh that's a that's a rick that's gonna you. That's

452
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Speaker 1: gonna be you, and he goes good. I think it's

453
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Speaker 1: just say okay.

454
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Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, that's what it is. It's okay, which is

455
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Speaker 2: probably more soccward falls.

456
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Speaker 1: Yes, get us the nine thirty Kevin Bellen game Voyd

457
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Speaker 1: Mark Dyton here on a Tuesday.

458
00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:17,760
Speaker 4: Good are you, honey?

459
00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:20,600
Speaker 2: You're going nowhere happy and you're taking me with you.

460
00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:23,359
Speaker 5: All you ever talk about is being a pro hockey player.

461
00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:24,480
Speaker 1: But there's a problem.

462
00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:27,320
Speaker 2: You're not any good. I am good.

463
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Speaker 4: You know what.

464
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Speaker 1: You're a lousy kindergarten teacher. I see no finger paintings

465
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Speaker 1: you bring home and they suck.

466
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Speaker 5: I'm sorry, baby, I didn't mean that. I think the

467
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Speaker 5: excellent finger paints.

468
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Speaker 3: Please don't go.

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Speaker 1: Alright, eight thirty on a rainy Tuesday. Here, we've done

470
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Speaker 1: this the last couple of years. When the Colts bye

471
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Speaker 1: week hits, we talk a little bit about the NFL Draft,

472
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Speaker 1: and you know, obviously things have shifted a whole lot

473
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Speaker 1: a When the team you cover is eight and two,

474
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Speaker 1: the draft maybe gets pushed a little bit further to

475
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Speaker 1: the back burner. And then when they trade the twenty

476
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Speaker 1: twenty six and twenty twenty seven first round picks, you

477
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Speaker 1: don't find it totally relevant from a team standpoint. But

478
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Speaker 1: we know the draft never sleeps in the state of Indiana. Oddly,

479
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Speaker 1: could have some picks be called quite early coming up

480
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Speaker 1: in April of next year. And to talk more about it,

481
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Speaker 1: he is the best in the business. We always appreciate

482
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Speaker 1: his chats with us. Kind of been an annual thing

483
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Speaker 1: at the combine in person, but from the athletic the

484
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Speaker 1: great Dane Brugler is with us. Dane, good morning, sir,

485
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Speaker 1: how are you.

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Speaker 5: Good morning guys?

487
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Speaker 4: Man?

488
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Speaker 5: I prepare it all morning for a twenty twenty eight

489
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Speaker 5: months draft? Are we not doing that?

490
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Speaker 1: Is Marshall Manning eligible? Other than to say you see

491
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty eight know in Dane, I'm like some people

492
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Speaker 1: have the Bible next to their bed. Other people have

493
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Speaker 1: the Beast, And courtesy of Dane Brugler, he provides that

494
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Speaker 1: for us this is true.

495
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Speaker 2: I'm not saying this as the athletic guy, but the

496
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Speaker 2: Beast still gets cracked open every now and then.

497
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Speaker 4: I got a.

498
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Speaker 2: Refresh my memory on what where does this player come from?

499
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Speaker 2: What weird fun fact can I use for a feature

500
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Speaker 2: down the line. So Dane, thank you, Thank you for

501
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Speaker 2: the services. Brother.

502
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Speaker 5: It's very humbling to hear that, because, yeah, it's the

503
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Speaker 5: thing I love about the Draft Guide is it's eternal, right,

504
00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:13,320
Speaker 5: I mean, even like you know, I hear from fans

505
00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:16,119
Speaker 5: all the time, like in free agency, Hey we just

506
00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:16,879
Speaker 5: signed this player.

507
00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:18,440
Speaker 4: I went back to the Beast from six.

508
00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:20,920
Speaker 5: Years ago and found this out and that's pretty cool,

509
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Speaker 5: and so I'd love to hear that.

510
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Speaker 1: Okay, let's go to Bloomington and the hype train is

511
00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:30,280
Speaker 1: obviously alive and well. Heisman wise for Fernando Mendoz, I

512
00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:31,920
Speaker 1: think a lot of people would be keeping an eye

513
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Speaker 1: on a week from Saturday NFL people if indeed it

514
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Speaker 1: plays out of Indiana and Ohio State here for the

515
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Speaker 1: Big Ten Championship. Do you view him as a separator

516
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Speaker 1: in a quarterback class that maybe has lost some of

517
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Speaker 1: the preseason hype.

518
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think he's the one quarterback who has lived

519
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Speaker 5: up to the expectations based off of what we thought

520
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Speaker 5: over the summer. In my initial top fifty back in August,

521
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Speaker 5: I have four quarterbacks in the top twenty, and uh,

522
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Speaker 5: Fernando Mendoza is the only one of those four still

523
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Speaker 5: in the top twenty, and he is looking like a

524
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Speaker 5: strong contender for that QB one spot. You know, it's

525
00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:17,880
Speaker 5: an interesting quarterback class because the top guys are all underclassmen,

526
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Speaker 5: and they could all really have a case to go

527
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Speaker 5: back talking about Dante Moore at Oregon, uh Tys Simpson

528
00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:29,040
Speaker 5: at Alabama, Leonora Sellers South Carolina, So you know, it'll

529
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Speaker 5: be interesting to see how that all shakes out.

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Speaker 4: Uh.

531
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Speaker 5: And then even with Franda Mendoza, I think most expect

532
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Speaker 5: him to take that jump to the NFL after the season,

533
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Speaker 5: especially with his younger brother waiting in the wings to

534
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Speaker 5: take over. But you know, we'll have to see how

535
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Speaker 5: the season ends for for Indiana. Is it you know,

536
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Speaker 5: lifting the National Championship Trophy?

537
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Speaker 4: Is it? Do they win the Big Ten?

538
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Speaker 5: Could it be a put in a position where maybe

539
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Speaker 5: the Mendoza feels like there's unfinished business. You know, we'll

540
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Speaker 5: have to wait and see how that plays out. But

541
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Speaker 5: but he is arguably the top draft eligible quarterback this year.

542
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Speaker 5: In a year where there's plenty of team to the

543
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Speaker 5: top of the draft, they're gonna need a quarterback. Talking

544
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Speaker 5: about the Browns, the Saints, the Jets, you know, there's

545
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Speaker 5: multiple teams that could be, you know, really looking to

546
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Speaker 5: jockey for position to get one of these quarterbacks and

547
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Speaker 5: f Mendoza's if it's a one or two quarterback class,

548
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Speaker 5: Mendoza is gonna be awfully popular. And so it'll be

549
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Speaker 5: interesting to see how these next few months play out.

550
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Speaker 2: And to stick with IU for a second, here Danane

551
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Speaker 2: and again we have Dame Brugler, the athletics draft guru

552
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Speaker 2: here on our Payloff Stickers hotline and Dame. Two of

553
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Speaker 2: the receivers I think they have learned themselves some money

554
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Speaker 2: this year, Elijah Shirot and Omar Cooper Junior. So for

555
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Speaker 2: those two players, how much do you think their stock

556
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Speaker 2: has risen given the spotlight has been on IU and

557
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Speaker 2: the performances they've had against some of these opponents, and

558
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Speaker 2: to help this team remain undefeated this year.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, no doubt.

560
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Speaker 5: Omark Cooper Junior has been a lot of fun to

561
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Speaker 5: watch because he's you know, the ball skills are outstanding,

562
00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:06,600
Speaker 5: and then his run after catchability really stands out. So

563
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Speaker 5: you want to line him up in the slot, line

564
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Speaker 5: him up outside. You know, he's a player that I

565
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Speaker 5: think he's put himself on the top one hundred conversation.

566
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Speaker 5: And then Elijah'sarrod. I mean, he came in to this

567
00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:18,879
Speaker 5: season as a fourth or fifth round pick, that's where

568
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:23,240
Speaker 5: the grades were from NFL teams, and he's only helped himself,

569
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Speaker 5: you know, six to two and ten pounds, probably going

570
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Speaker 5: to run the four to fourth somewhere.

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Speaker 4: He's so good with.

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Speaker 5: The chemistry with Mendoza on those back shoulder throws. You know,

573
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Speaker 5: the ball skills are there. He is more explosive than

574
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Speaker 5: you think like he he kind of looks like a

575
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Speaker 5: possession receiver, but he's got more explosion than I think,

576
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Speaker 5: you know, you just you expect going into the tape.

577
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Speaker 5: And so he definitely has a basketball background, but he

578
00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:52,040
Speaker 5: is an NFL athlete as well, and so, uh, I

579
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Speaker 5: love the story with him. Kind of not a type

580
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Speaker 5: of guy you want to bet against, and so I

581
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Speaker 5: think those types of players just gravitate towards coach Signetti,

582
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Speaker 5: and you really see that playout on game day. And

583
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Speaker 5: so I'm you know, I'm selfishly hoping to see Ohio

584
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:10,960
Speaker 5: State get over the hump against Michigan, just so we

585
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Speaker 5: make sure we get that Indiana Ohio State matchup in

586
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Speaker 5: the Big Ten championship game, just to see how these

587
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Speaker 5: two teams will match up. Seeing Mendoza and these receivers

588
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Speaker 5: up against a defense the caliber of Ohio State and

589
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Speaker 5: then a really good Indiana defense, to see how they

590
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Speaker 5: can hold up against a really explosive offense. Aiden Fisher,

591
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Speaker 5: what he's done a linebacker, Mikael Kamara the defensive end

592
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Speaker 5: for the Hoosiers. These guys are all draft picks, and

593
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Speaker 5: so I think it's been fifty years since Indiana has

594
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Speaker 5: had more than four draft picks in a single year.

595
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Speaker 5: But I think the way that the season is going,

596
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Speaker 5: that's going to happen this year, or it's going to

597
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Speaker 5: happen in April.

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Speaker 1: So call Matthew Lucan, John Dan Brugler, or the author

599
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:57,440
Speaker 1: of The Beast. It's coming out here in the spring,

600
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Speaker 1: and he is with us year on the Paylofs Stickers

601
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Speaker 1: hot Line as we take a little bit of the

602
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Speaker 1: look ahead to that twenty twenty six draft. Dane, I

603
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Speaker 1: am a very unapologetic Notre Dame fan. Jeremiah Love to

604
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Speaker 1: me is insane. I mean, it's it's some Reggie Bush vibes.

605
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Speaker 1: I would add from a draft standpoint, I think the

606
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Speaker 1: attraction of his durability, of his three down ability, and

607
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:24,960
Speaker 1: of his blocking ability would also be something NFL team's covet.

608
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:29,040
Speaker 1: How high is you know, legit talk when you're talking

609
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Speaker 1: about a running back in Jeremiah Love coming up in

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty six, it's.

611
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Speaker 5: The same conversation you know we had with Ashton gent

612
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Speaker 5: last year or Bijon Robinson when he came out.

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Speaker 4: You know, I think.

614
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Speaker 5: It's you can't paint with a broad brush, you know,

615
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Speaker 5: ducking a running back in the top ten, top fifteen.

616
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Speaker 5: It doesn't make sense for every team. You know, some teams,

617
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:53,160
Speaker 5: in terms of their timeline of their roster, dropping a

618
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:57,720
Speaker 5: running back in doesn't really mesh with where they are

619
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Speaker 5: as a team. And I think we're seeing that right

620
00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:03,040
Speaker 5: now with the Raiders. The offensive line, the way things

621
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Speaker 5: are the passing game. Ashton Gent is a really good player,

622
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:10,960
Speaker 5: but he's kind of being wasted in that offense in Vegas,

623
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Speaker 5: and so now is the opposite. With Atlanta.

624
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Speaker 4: He dropped John.

625
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Speaker 5: Robinson in there and he's a top three back in

626
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Speaker 5: the NFL. So with Jeremiah Love, there's no doubt he's

627
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:23,840
Speaker 5: one of the top ten players prospects in this draft.

628
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Speaker 5: But figuring out exactly where he's going to land, they'll

629
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:30,200
Speaker 5: be a little bit more interesting. He's so electric with

630
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Speaker 5: the ball in his hand. He has that uncanny balance

631
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Speaker 5: where he can stay afloat, you know, he absorbs contact well,

632
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:39,440
Speaker 5: he's kind of got a linear frame, but he's so

633
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 5: explosive and I've been impressed. My one big knock on

634
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:45,720
Speaker 5: him coming into the year was just the lack of patience.

635
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:48,560
Speaker 5: He was a foot on the pedal, go go go,

636
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:52,280
Speaker 5: and that helped him be productive, but there are times

637
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 5: where he would run into his own blockers or not

638
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:57,960
Speaker 5: allow the blocking scheme to set up some of those holes.

639
00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:00,320
Speaker 5: This year, he's doing the much better job of that.

640
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 5: And so the production is there, especially the touchdown production.

641
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 5: I mean he's going to have you know, almost or

642
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:10,920
Speaker 5: over thirty touchdowns the last two years alone. And I

643
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:13,520
Speaker 5: think you hit onto the versatility. That's key because you

644
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:15,400
Speaker 5: can line them up in the slot, you can keep

645
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 5: him in the backfield, and he can pass protect. So

646
00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:20,320
Speaker 5: you can just do so many things with a weapon

647
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 5: like that. And so I think some teams are going

648
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:24,800
Speaker 5: to look at it. This isn't the strongest draft at

649
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Speaker 5: the top, and they're going to look at Jeremiah. Love

650
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:29,800
Speaker 5: is like, Okay, this is the most explosive player.

651
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Speaker 4: In the draft.

652
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Speaker 5: And even though we don't love the idea of drafting

653
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Speaker 5: and running back in the top ten, we can hold

654
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Speaker 5: our head high that we're coming away with the most

655
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Speaker 5: explosive player in the draft. Someone's going to help our

656
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Speaker 5: offense from day one. And you know, whether that's the

657
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:46,360
Speaker 5: New York Giants or evenoles are at.

658
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Speaker 4: The Texans could do this.

659
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Speaker 5: So it'll be interesting with Love The debate will rage

660
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Speaker 5: on between now and April about how early you should

661
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:56,240
Speaker 5: draft a running back, but there's no doubt about it.

662
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Speaker 5: Love is one of the top ten prospects in this class.

663
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Speaker 2: Last one I got for you, Dane, and I'm looking

664
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 2: at one of your latest big boards and I want

665
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:06,520
Speaker 2: to say this is probably about a week ago. You

666
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 2: have Caleb Down's third overall. And for those listening, he

667
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Speaker 2: is the younger brother of Josh Downs, the Colts wide

668
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Speaker 2: receiver who was taken in the third round a couple

669
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Speaker 2: of years ago. How special of a safety is he

670
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Speaker 2: Because normally when I look at these lists to day,

671
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Speaker 2: and I'm not an expert by any means, I don't

672
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Speaker 2: watch tape as much as you do by any means,

673
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Speaker 2: but safeties usually aren't ranked this high by you or

674
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Speaker 2: anybody else. What makes them different?

675
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Speaker 5: He's so football smart, and you combine that with a

676
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:40,040
Speaker 5: really good athlete. The toughness is off the charts. And yeah,

677
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Speaker 5: I mean he's the youngest in the family and you

678
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Speaker 5: know he's got an NFL that obviously I think. You know,

679
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:49,360
Speaker 5: Colts fans are familiar with the Downs family, you know,

680
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:52,800
Speaker 5: I think that that toughness was developed by growing up

681
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:56,360
Speaker 5: in that family, the athleticism, you know, growing up in

682
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Speaker 5: Georgia where it's you know, very football rich, a lot

683
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Speaker 5: of leats. But he's been training for this for a

684
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:06,600
Speaker 5: long long time. And I think that even Josh has

685
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Speaker 5: kind of admitted in the past that Caleb was always

686
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Speaker 5: the best athlete in the family. And he also has

687
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Speaker 5: a little bit better size than Josh does. And with Caleb,

688
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Speaker 5: it'll be you know, we just talked about it with

689
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Speaker 5: running back and how early do you draft a running back.

690
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Speaker 5: It'll be the same thing with safety and Caleb Downs.

691
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Speaker 5: The NFL has told us they don't draft safety is

692
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Speaker 5: very high, at least in the top five, top ten.

693
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Speaker 5: But Caleb Downs is you know, he's not an ed

694
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Speaker 5: read where you play him single high and he's going

695
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:34,120
Speaker 5: to play both sidelines, but he's more versatile where you

696
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 5: can play him in the nickel, you can play him

697
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:37,680
Speaker 5: as a robber, you can play him in the post,

698
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:39,440
Speaker 5: you can do all these different things with him. He's

699
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 5: so smart, he understands football geometry, but he also has

700
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Speaker 5: the athleticism too. So I think at the end of

701
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Speaker 5: the day, he won't go top five, but I think

702
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Speaker 5: maybe top ten. He has a really good chance to

703
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 5: do that, and he'll be the first safety to be

704
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Speaker 5: drafted that high in a decade. So that says a

705
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Speaker 5: lot about him as an athlete and a player.

706
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Speaker 1: I had to hold back on the CJ Car twenty

707
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Speaker 1: twenty eight mock draft questions for there. Maybe save that

708
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Speaker 1: for the combine when we bug Dan Brugler again. Dan,

709
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Speaker 1: your stuff is second to none.

710
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Speaker 2: Man.

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Speaker 1: We really appreciate the time and enjoy breaking down the

712
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Speaker 1: film here as we get into the playoff season.

713
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Speaker 5: All right, I'll see an Indian a few months.

714
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Speaker 1: Let's get to I guess I'll start with last night.

715
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Speaker 1: Obviously the return of Benedict Mathern. Probably a tailor two

716
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Speaker 1: has there. You know, both teams down some key personnel.

717
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Speaker 4: Uh.

718
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Speaker 1: Ultimately, what do you point to is kind of the

719
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Speaker 1: hole being you know, too big to dig out of

720
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Speaker 1: despite Mathering's efforts there in the third and fourth.

721
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Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, we've had struggles really on both sides

722
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Speaker 6: of the ball. That said, you know, in looking at

723
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Speaker 6: the stats and looking at the overall picture, we got

724
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Speaker 6: to look for positives. Positives were you know, we out

725
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:55,880
Speaker 6: rebounded him for the game to their great rebounding team.

726
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Speaker 6: We end up out reinvining him by a couple and

727
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Speaker 6: then you know, we won the second half by a point,

728
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Speaker 6: and you know Ben's return and him getting into a rhythm,

729
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 6: particularly in the fourth quarter, was a big part of that.

730
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Speaker 6: And you know, things are things are rough right now,

731
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Speaker 6: but the guys had a good spirit last night. We

732
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:22,400
Speaker 6: didn't play well, but we hung together and we got

733
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Speaker 6: to keep doing that.

734
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Speaker 1: When you mentioned the struggles on both ends right now,

735
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:30,239
Speaker 1: do you see one side of the floor contributing more

736
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:33,359
Speaker 1: to the other's struggles. You know, his defense leading to

737
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:36,719
Speaker 1: the poor shooting numbers we see vice versa. Has some

738
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Speaker 1: of the poor shooting led to the defensive struggles or

739
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Speaker 1: do you think it's pretty balanced.

740
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Speaker 6: I you know, it's probably a little more tipped one

741
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:50,799
Speaker 6: way than the other, but it's it's been been both

742
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Speaker 6: sides of the ball.

743
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Speaker 4: That's it's been tough.

744
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Speaker 6: But look, there's a lot of a lot of excuses

745
00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:02,000
Speaker 6: that can be made. We've got to we've got to

746
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 6: ignore circumstance and just work at doing better.

747
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 2: Rick, You've talked about that a lot throughout your career,

748
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:10,480
Speaker 2: not making this excuse of ignoring circumstances. So what is

749
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:12,759
Speaker 2: that balance like when the reality is, Okay, we don't

750
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 2: have our normal rotation of guys, but we saw games

751
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:17,440
Speaker 2: to play and ultimately want to win.

752
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:23,719
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's it comes down to, you know, where your

753
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 6: focus is. Our focus has got to be very much

754
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:30,600
Speaker 6: on what's happening right now and what's about to happen

755
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:34,440
Speaker 6: next when it comes to games. You know, in the

756
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:37,839
Speaker 6: in the Toronto game, one of the things that was

757
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 6: I thought difficult about that game was we had a

758
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Speaker 6: very good start.

759
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:45,600
Speaker 4: I mean, we're up ten halfway through the.

760
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Speaker 6: First quarter, and then we allowed the lead to go

761
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:58,719
Speaker 6: away with some controllable things, unforced turnovers, some decisions that

762
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:03,239
Speaker 6: needed to be better, et cetera, et cetera. And you know,

763
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:06,799
Speaker 6: right now, you know we're we're trying to get back

764
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:11,760
Speaker 6: on the on the winning side of things. A big,

765
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:15,040
Speaker 6: a big part of being successful in the NBA is

766
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 6: good starts and you know, finding a way to win

767
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 6: the first quarter. H you know, the stats will tell

768
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:25,279
Speaker 6: you that the best way to win an NBA game

769
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Speaker 6: is to be ahead the head going into the fourth quarter,

770
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Speaker 6: and the best way to do that.

771
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Speaker 4: Is to win the first quarter.

772
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Speaker 6: For the NBA is much more of a first quarter

773
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Speaker 6: league than a fourth quarter league. I mean, the statistics

774
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:43,320
Speaker 6: just say that. So, look, start's got to be better. Overall,

775
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:46,320
Speaker 6: players got to be better, defense has got to be tighter,

776
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:50,360
Speaker 6: communication has got to be has got to be really good,

777
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 6: and you know then we've got to get the ball.

778
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 2: In the hole right to follow up. Defensively, there's been

779
00:36:57,160 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 2: some slippage there for your team and off in I've

780
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 2: been there in the media where it's like, oh, they

781
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:04,919
Speaker 2: haven't tried hard enough, where's the effort, And I feel

782
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:07,160
Speaker 2: like effort is always distributed to defense, but not offense.

783
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:09,480
Speaker 2: There are some tactical things. So what things do you

784
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:12,319
Speaker 2: look at defensively for your ball club to say, here's

785
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:14,359
Speaker 2: what we can be better to get stops here.

786
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:21,360
Speaker 6: Well, the the answer to that is transition defense. And

787
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:25,920
Speaker 6: we gave up a ton of transition points against Toronto.

788
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:31,680
Speaker 6: We made some adjustments for the Detroit game. We did

789
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 6: better against Detroit. Well, look, it's you know, your defense

790
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:40,640
Speaker 6: starts with the shot that you take, and you know

791
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:45,439
Speaker 6: your your assault on the offensive boards. And it's very

792
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:48,799
Speaker 6: important that everybody is doing exactly what they're supposed to do.

793
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:52,480
Speaker 6: If you're supposed to crash, crash, and if you're supposed

794
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:52,799
Speaker 6: to be.

795
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:54,919
Speaker 4: Back, be back, and so.

796
00:37:57,200 --> 00:37:59,279
Speaker 6: You know, we've we've tried to clean things up.

797
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 4: There and then and you know, the.

798
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:05,040
Speaker 6: First three steps back in transition. I think the stats

799
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:08,719
Speaker 6: will tell pretty much any NBA team that they're going

800
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 6: to do better defensively when they're guarding a team in

801
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 6: the half court rather than in transition.

802
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 4: So the.

803
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Speaker 6: Huge chunk of points we gave up in the first

804
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:23,760
Speaker 6: eight seconds against Toronto is an area where we're focusing

805
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:25,120
Speaker 6: heavily and we got to do better.

806
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:27,319
Speaker 1: It's a voice of Rick Carlisle. He's with to see

807
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:30,400
Speaker 1: on the payloss slickers, hotline, pacers, hornets back inside of

808
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:34,400
Speaker 1: gamebridge Field House coming up tomorrow night. Coach, some of

809
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Speaker 1: the shooting numbers are pretty historic, obviously not in the

810
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:42,560
Speaker 1: positive light there. Do you feel like the do you

811
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:45,120
Speaker 1: thin like the the the equality of the looks has

812
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:47,879
Speaker 1: matched the poor shooting numbers.

813
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:54,880
Speaker 4: At times.

814
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Speaker 6: At times we've had some very good looks at having

815
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:03,879
Speaker 6: gone down and in most cases, you know, we we

816
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:07,239
Speaker 6: need to try to get better shots. And so you know,

817
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 6: as you as you mentioned early on here, the you know,

818
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:16,040
Speaker 6: the the effect that defense has on offenses is very

819
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:22,120
Speaker 6: important and vice versa. So yeah, it's it's a it's

820
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 6: a tough stretch and we.

821
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:25,799
Speaker 4: Just gotta we just gotta.

822
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:30,960
Speaker 6: Work work at improving and just simply be better.

823
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:34,319
Speaker 1: Well, a few guys that has been healthy for you

824
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:37,120
Speaker 1: here to start the season has been Jaris Walker. You

825
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:40,160
Speaker 1: use the word force quite often with him in our

826
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:44,440
Speaker 1: off season conversations in that department, I guess, the the

827
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Speaker 1: forced department. What have you seen from Jaris here this season?

828
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Speaker 6: Well, this is a this is an amazing opportunity for

829
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 6: him right now, you know, the chance to you know,

830
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 6: he's had a significant stretch of games that he started.

831
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Speaker 6: You know, when he hasn't started, you know, sometimes it's

832
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:08,360
Speaker 6: been through the matchup or matchup stuff or whatever.

833
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:11,520
Speaker 4: But he's he gets in the game quickly and as

834
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:13,480
Speaker 4: a as a lot of leash, you know.

835
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 6: So what we need to see there is hard running,

836
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:26,320
Speaker 6: rebounding defense, you know, simple decisions on offense and make.

837
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Speaker 4: The simple play. You know. It's yeah, I.

838
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Speaker 6: Think the Toronto game was was a good example of

839
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:36,160
Speaker 6: I think what he's naturally good at is rebounding. I

840
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:38,439
Speaker 6: think he had eight or nine rebounds in the Toronto game.

841
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 6: He's done some good things with attacking the paint attacking space.

842
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 6: We know he can pass the ball, We know he

843
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:50,239
Speaker 6: can shoot the ball. You know, right now, when you're undermanned,

844
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:56,600
Speaker 6: everybody has more responsibility than the than they probably should,

845
00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:02,839
Speaker 6: And as a coaching staff, our job is to try

846
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:06,160
Speaker 6: to alleviate that as best we can. Make sure guys

847
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:11,359
Speaker 6: aren't trying too hard to do too much and really

848
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:14,960
Speaker 6: focus on the simple things. And I think with Jaris

849
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:20,319
Speaker 6: it starts with defending and rebounding and it builds up

850
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:20,759
Speaker 6: from there.

851
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 4: Again, we have.

852
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:26,240
Speaker 2: Rick Carlile, Pacers head coach joining us on the Payless

853
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 2: Liquors hotline. Rick going back to Benedict for a second here,

854
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 2: we know how confident he is as a player and

855
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:35,640
Speaker 2: what he can do as a scorer. How much do

856
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:38,799
Speaker 2: you think his shot creation and just the ability to

857
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 2: get his own look can help alleviate some pressure on

858
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:43,799
Speaker 2: other guys when it comes to helping the flow of

859
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:46,600
Speaker 2: the rest of your offense, because you know, if push

860
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 2: comes to shove, that's someone who can still get you

861
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:49,959
Speaker 2: a pretty good look.

862
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:54,440
Speaker 4: Well we need him, that's pretty clear.

863
00:41:54,719 --> 00:42:00,480
Speaker 6: And yeah, yeah, I mean it's shot creation. It's the

864
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:03,160
Speaker 6: way that he stretches the floor with his ability to

865
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 6: shoot long range. I've been I've been very pleased with

866
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 6: his shot selection in a lot of cases. I mean,

867
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:16,960
Speaker 6: he's spacing the floor better, He's finding the space on

868
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 6: the floor to release the shots of the shots that

869
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:25,840
Speaker 6: he's very good at. And we haven't seen him a

870
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Speaker 6: whole lot this year. I mean, this is only a

871
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:31,400
Speaker 6: third game he's played, but his awareness of the floor

872
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:34,560
Speaker 6: has got better and he's passing the ball more effectively

873
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:38,840
Speaker 6: all the time. So yeah, definitely need more scoring.

874
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:41,960
Speaker 4: You know, early in the year.

875
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:43,920
Speaker 6: In the first couple of games, he was he was

876
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:46,080
Speaker 6: taking the hard matchups to start games. You know, he

877
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:49,480
Speaker 6: was guarding SGA and he was he was guarding some

878
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:53,320
Speaker 6: of the better players. And so as he returns to play,

879
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:56,480
Speaker 6: we're gonna need him to be a very good player,

880
00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 6: not only offensively, but on the defensive side of the

881
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:01,839
Speaker 6: ball as well. And you know, when he was drafted here,

882
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:04,240
Speaker 6: he talked about the fact that you know, he wanted

883
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:05,880
Speaker 6: to be pushed to be great on both sides of

884
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:08,839
Speaker 6: the ball, and this is this is a great opportunity

885
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:14,960
Speaker 6: for him to help us, to help his teammates and

886
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:16,239
Speaker 6: truly work at getting better.

887
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:20,360
Speaker 2: Last one on Matherin and I have to appreciate his

888
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:23,560
Speaker 2: confidence no matter what. Reading a story from Dustin de

889
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 2: Pierreic this morning, Indy Starr and Mathern said, according to Dustin,

890
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:29,719
Speaker 2: why can't we win ten games in a row? And

891
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:31,960
Speaker 2: you know when he says stuff like that, he's dead serious.

892
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:34,920
Speaker 2: So when you have someone who's as confident as Mathering,

893
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:37,399
Speaker 2: how much does that help when times are hard? And

894
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:41,359
Speaker 2: it has to be sort of this intrinsic motivation from

895
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:43,880
Speaker 2: players to go out there and play hard even if

896
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 2: things might look a little bleak, because you know, Matherin

897
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:48,880
Speaker 2: doesn't care who it is. He's going to go out

898
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:50,840
Speaker 2: there and think he can probably win anything.

899
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:55,800
Speaker 4: Well, I think I just answered this question.

900
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:59,200
Speaker 6: We need him, we need him back, and we need

901
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:01,279
Speaker 6: him and it's and it's great to have him back.

902
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:06,840
Speaker 6: And you know, the return to play stuff is is

903
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:10,680
Speaker 6: challenging too, because you know, little take a guy that's

904
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:12,279
Speaker 6: been out for three and a half weeks and thrown

905
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:14,400
Speaker 6: throw him in there for you know, thirty five.

906
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:15,080
Speaker 4: Or forty minutes.

907
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:19,360
Speaker 6: The great thing last night was that and you know,

908
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:21,960
Speaker 6: the way the way the game was going, and all

909
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:24,040
Speaker 6: of a sudden he had four thousand in the third

910
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:27,400
Speaker 6: quarter and you know, I left him in because I

911
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 6: thought it was important, and he tried to get some

912
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:33,440
Speaker 6: kind of rhythm going. He hit a couple of shots

913
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 6: early in the fourth as as you guys saw, and

914
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:39,759
Speaker 6: and did get it going. And then you know, at

915
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:42,160
Speaker 6: one point he's playing pretty early in the fourth quarter,

916
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:43,880
Speaker 6: I think, with five fouls.

917
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:44,120
Speaker 4: You know. And so.

918
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 6: Anyway, right now, right now, we've got to focus on

919
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:53,960
Speaker 6: little things. We've got to look for positives, and the

920
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:56,040
Speaker 6: pretty significant positive is having him back.

921
00:44:56,719 --> 00:44:58,640
Speaker 1: Can Pace's hornets coming up tomorrow night. Just a couple

922
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:01,040
Speaker 1: of minutes left here with her Karlawa. Appreciate his time

923
00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:05,000
Speaker 1: and flexibility here on this Tuesday morning coach. Yesterday we

924
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:08,200
Speaker 1: played some Pascal Siakam audio. I believe it was after

925
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:11,040
Speaker 1: the game on Saturday night, And you know, I've been

926
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 1: rather blown away by his leadership over the last few years.

927
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:17,520
Speaker 1: This year, I assume it's a different type of leadership,

928
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 1: but I thought the words are pretty strong Saturday night

929
00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:24,440
Speaker 1: and describing the start to this season specifically with Pascal.

930
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:26,719
Speaker 1: You know, the numbers are obvious, but maybe what have

931
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:29,279
Speaker 1: you seen behind the scenes from a leadership standpoint this year?

932
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:34,160
Speaker 6: Yeah, he's been great. You know, you can't say enough

933
00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:41,520
Speaker 6: about his approach, and he's been patient, he cares. I mean,

934
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:45,040
Speaker 6: there's certainly an element of frustration there and you can

935
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:49,000
Speaker 6: since that when he talks about how difficult it is

936
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:49,799
Speaker 6: to have.

937
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:50,800
Speaker 4: This kind of a start.

938
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:54,239
Speaker 6: But yesterday, you know, in our prep session in.

939
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:58,439
Speaker 4: The morning and during the game, even when it was.

940
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:01,760
Speaker 6: Really difficult, you know, he was he was staying very positive,

941
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:04,960
Speaker 6: very encouraging. And right now we have to we have

942
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:09,640
Speaker 6: to work at being a very well connected team even

943
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:12,560
Speaker 6: though things are tough, and you know that that can

944
00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:16,000
Speaker 6: be a very difficult task. But he's he's a big

945
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:18,919
Speaker 6: part of our ability to continue to do that even

946
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:19,920
Speaker 6: though things are tough.

947
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:23,359
Speaker 1: Coachel end of this, you know, you mentioned a few

948
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:26,600
Speaker 1: weeks back, you know, about your history in the league,

949
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:28,440
Speaker 1: and I think I asked you something along the lines of,

950
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 1: you know, have you ever dealt with this type of

951
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:33,279
Speaker 1: attrition available bodies, et cetera, et cetera, And you did

952
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 1: reference the brawl, and you've mentioned how the NBA can be,

953
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:41,720
Speaker 1: you know, such a humbling league. Have you ever, I guess,

954
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:44,200
Speaker 1: in your thirty plus years of coaching, been a part

955
00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:46,720
Speaker 1: of something like this from a whether it's an available

956
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 1: bodies or just a general start to the season like

957
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 1: you've had this year.

958
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:57,200
Speaker 6: Probably not, probably not, but you know, with with this

959
00:46:57,320 --> 00:47:03,799
Speaker 6: kind of adversity comes opportunity. We got to find the opportunity.

960
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:10,000
Speaker 6: As I mentioned, we got to continue to find things

961
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:14,160
Speaker 6: to be positive about and not kid ourselves about how

962
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:17,520
Speaker 6: dig we have to how deep we have to dig,

963
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:23,920
Speaker 6: you know, to have successes. So touch stretch are you know.

964
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:27,839
Speaker 6: Our fans have been have been great. They've given us

965
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:31,480
Speaker 6: great support even though it's been difficult, and we're going

966
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:33,960
Speaker 6: to continue to have to lean on them and lean

967
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:34,760
Speaker 6: on each other.

968
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:36,959
Speaker 1: Back in front of the home fans. Smart night again,

969
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:41,160
Speaker 1: Pacers and hornets, seven o'clock tip inside of gamebridge Field House, Coach.

970
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:42,680
Speaker 1: I know was a long night, so we appreciate the

971
00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:43,400
Speaker 1: time as always.

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00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:45,520
Speaker 4: Okay, thanks guys, Figure