1 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:10,240 Speaker 1: Line from the Heart Blind and the Crossroads of America. 2 00:00:10,600 --> 00:00:16,360 Speaker 1: It's Tony Katz today. Welcome back everybody. So I'm Andrew 3 00:00:16,400 --> 00:00:19,560 Speaker 1: Langer in for Tony Today. I'll be back on Friday 4 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:22,759 Speaker 1: Special Show. Hopefully on Friday as we may get somebody 5 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:25,960 Speaker 1: from the nineteen eighty US Olympic Hockey team, the Miracle 6 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:30,360 Speaker 1: on Ice team working on that right now in the 7 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:33,120 Speaker 1: meantime special Hour. This hour going to be joined in 8 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:37,159 Speaker 1: a little bit by Daniel Rundy, who is an international 9 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:41,360 Speaker 1: affair scholar. Also going to be doing a tribute to 10 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:45,599 Speaker 1: the anniversary of the Challenger disaster forty years ago today, 11 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:48,800 Speaker 1: which I have a hard time wrap in my head around. 12 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:50,680 Speaker 1: I mean, I'll talk a little bit more about that. 13 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:54,160 Speaker 1: Just feeling my I'm not feeling I don't feel old. 14 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:55,920 Speaker 1: This is the issue is that I don't feel old. 15 00:00:55,960 --> 00:00:59,160 Speaker 1: I certainly don't feel old enough for the Challenger disaster 16 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:03,480 Speaker 1: to have happened forty years ago today. That's just that's 17 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:05,800 Speaker 1: just nuts to me. You know, if you want to 18 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:09,960 Speaker 1: join the conversation Facebook dot com slash Andrew Langer Show 19 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:11,759 Speaker 1: is the way you reach me while I'm on the air. 20 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 1: Also at me on x at Andrew underscore Langer here. 21 00:01:16,360 --> 00:01:19,480 Speaker 1: That's the way to do it. L A N G E. R. 22 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:21,600 Speaker 1: You know, you can always catch the work that I'm 23 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:27,280 Speaker 1: doing here. You know, at Seapack where I do the 24 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:30,400 Speaker 1: I run the Center for Regulatory Freedom for them, also 25 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:33,800 Speaker 1: do healthcare policy for them, and I've got this background 26 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:40,280 Speaker 1: in international affairs. Now, big SEAPAC conference happening in Dallas 27 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:44,399 Speaker 1: at the end of March. Hoping, hoping, hoping that Tony 28 00:01:44,520 --> 00:01:46,479 Speaker 1: is going to be able to join us all there. 29 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:50,240 Speaker 1: I love hanging out with him when he's at the 30 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 1: SEAPAC conferences. So every other year. My high school, I 31 00:01:56,840 --> 00:01:58,440 Speaker 1: went to a lefty high school up in New York. 32 00:01:58,480 --> 00:02:00,680 Speaker 1: I think I may have mentioned this before. Group in 33 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:02,680 Speaker 1: New York went to a very progressive high school. You 34 00:02:02,680 --> 00:02:04,680 Speaker 1: can go and look it up. The Ethical culture Fieldston 35 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:10,440 Speaker 1: School or Fieldstone in the news in recent years because, 36 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:15,600 Speaker 1: like a lot of progressive organizations, when the various factions 37 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:21,080 Speaker 1: try to out victim each other, chaos ensues. So, you know, 38 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:27,000 Speaker 1: one victim group pits themselves against another victim group and 39 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 1: tries to figure out where they are on the hierarchy 40 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:32,800 Speaker 1: of grievances. And you can imagine they all get angry 41 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:36,120 Speaker 1: at one another. Well, every other year the school teaches 42 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:40,400 Speaker 1: a class called the Rise of the Right, very ominous sounding, 43 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:46,600 Speaker 1: and they bring the kids down to sea pack every 44 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 1: other year. I don't know what they're gonna do. This 45 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:50,519 Speaker 1: is the off year for them. I don't know what 46 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:52,280 Speaker 1: they're gonna do now that SEAPAC is being held in 47 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:56,520 Speaker 1: Dallas at least for the foreseeable future. Who knows. But 48 00:02:57,880 --> 00:02:59,799 Speaker 1: you know, a couple of years ago when they were down, 49 00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:02,480 Speaker 1: So they were down in twenty twenty five, So they 50 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:07,200 Speaker 1: were down in twenty twenty three. I think it was 51 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:11,880 Speaker 1: twenty twenty three. It all blurs together for me, but 52 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:15,720 Speaker 1: it was after obviously the war, you know something. It 53 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:17,920 Speaker 1: must have been twenty three. It was a year after 54 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:22,520 Speaker 1: the war, and the war in Ukraine had begun. And 55 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:26,000 Speaker 1: I always like when I talk to these students, I 56 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 1: like to sort of challenge their assumptions. I'm not going 57 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:33,400 Speaker 1: to say that I'm Charlie Kirk, obviously I'm not Charlie Kirk. 58 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:38,200 Speaker 1: But you know what I'm trying to do is just 59 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 1: get at least one of these students to think a 60 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:45,240 Speaker 1: little bit more empirically about the world around them. You 61 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:48,160 Speaker 1: know to be a little bit more skeptical of what 62 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:52,200 Speaker 1: the prevailing power structure might be telling them. And for them, 63 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:58,520 Speaker 1: the prevailing power structure is this progressive institution around them. 64 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:00,800 Speaker 1: And so one of the things I talked about was, 65 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:04,200 Speaker 1: you know, what they thought were the biggest threats to 66 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:06,800 Speaker 1: the world war. And some of them said climate change, 67 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:09,800 Speaker 1: and some of them said Russia, and some of them 68 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:11,920 Speaker 1: were sort of unsure. And so I asked him, I said, Okay, 69 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:13,400 Speaker 1: for those of you who think that Russia is the 70 00:04:13,440 --> 00:04:17,360 Speaker 1: greatest threat on the world stage, would you be willing 71 00:04:17,440 --> 00:04:22,640 Speaker 1: to relax US drilling and refinery rules so that we 72 00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:27,039 Speaker 1: could bottom out the Russian economy? And for those who 73 00:04:27,080 --> 00:04:31,479 Speaker 1: thought that climate change was the greatest existential threat, they said, no, 74 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:37,760 Speaker 1: we can't. We can't do that because climate change. So anyway, 75 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:39,760 Speaker 1: it's just one of those things where you can't sort 76 00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 1: of talk about Russia and not talk about the oil issue. 77 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:50,800 Speaker 1: And Scott Bessant, the the Secretary of the Treasury, he 78 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:53,320 Speaker 1: had this to say today, let's play cut number fifteen. 79 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:58,960 Speaker 2: I applying the Europeans very disappointing because the Europeans are 80 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:05,120 Speaker 2: on the front line of the Ukraine Russian War, the Europeans. 81 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:09,320 Speaker 2: India started buying sanctioned Russian oil, and guess who was 82 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:12,880 Speaker 2: buying the refined products the Europeans. So the Europeans have 83 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:19,440 Speaker 2: been funding the war against themselves. And something that you 84 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:23,240 Speaker 2: couldn't have made up, the US sanctioned or put a 85 00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:27,400 Speaker 2: twenty five percent tariff on India for buying the Russian oil. 86 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:30,360 Speaker 2: The Europeans were unwilling to join US, and it turns 87 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:32,719 Speaker 2: out because they wanted to do this trade deal. So 88 00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:36,080 Speaker 2: every time you hear a European talk about the importance 89 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:40,360 Speaker 2: of the Ukrainian people, remember that they put trade ahead 90 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:45,120 Speaker 2: of the Ukrainian people. Trade, European trade more important than 91 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:47,719 Speaker 2: ending the war in Ukraine. They need energy, though, I 92 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 2: guess it's part of their issue at a price. They 93 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:53,120 Speaker 2: want cheap energy. 94 00:05:52,520 --> 00:05:53,840 Speaker 1: But wow, we. 95 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:55,960 Speaker 2: Could have cheaper energy too if we were willing to 96 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:57,240 Speaker 2: buy sanctioned Russian oil. 97 00:05:57,760 --> 00:05:58,560 Speaker 3: What about Canada? 98 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:02,840 Speaker 1: Oh my god, I mean that is that? That is fair? 99 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:03,040 Speaker 4: Now? 100 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:05,880 Speaker 1: That's on CNBC, by the way, which which you know 101 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:09,080 Speaker 1: I've been calling the other one. We used to be MSNBC. 102 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:15,960 Speaker 1: I called m snow. But they need cheap energy, you know, Yeah, 103 00:06:16,279 --> 00:06:19,680 Speaker 1: sure they can make a deal with us, by the way, 104 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:21,560 Speaker 1: that will be one way to do it. But but 105 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:24,120 Speaker 1: how about again to use the phrase, if you didn't 106 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:25,960 Speaker 1: want to go to Chicago, you shouldn't have gotten off 107 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:30,839 Speaker 1: this train. If you stop building and you start tearing 108 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:36,080 Speaker 1: down coal fired power plants, right, uh, if you if 109 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:39,000 Speaker 1: you start getting rid of your nuclear power plants and 110 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:43,239 Speaker 1: you don't build more nuclear power plants and you start 111 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:49,320 Speaker 1: making all kinds of climate net zero mandates, you know, 112 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:54,760 Speaker 1: then yeah, uh, this is the you're gonna need. You're 113 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:57,839 Speaker 1: gonna need energy to make up for uh, the energy 114 00:06:57,839 --> 00:07:04,160 Speaker 1: that you're losing down the road. They made this mess. Hey, 115 00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:06,320 Speaker 1: you know a land that we're going to jump down again. 116 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:13,240 Speaker 1: That's why Marco Rubia had to say this morning in 117 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:16,320 Speaker 1: testimony before Congress on Venezuela was so vital. Let's go 118 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:17,640 Speaker 1: ahead and play cut number twelve again. 119 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:25,040 Speaker 3: Please let me just say this, what is our goal 120 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:30,200 Speaker 3: going in? We had in our hemisphere a regime operated 121 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:33,440 Speaker 3: by an indicted NARCO trafficker that became a base of 122 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:36,840 Speaker 3: operation for virtually every competitor, adversary, and enemy in the world. 123 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:40,080 Speaker 3: It was for Iran. Their primary spot of operation in 124 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:44,400 Speaker 3: the Western hemisphere was Venezuela. For Russia, their primary base 125 00:07:44,440 --> 00:07:47,360 Speaker 3: of operation in the Western Hemisphere, along Cuba and Nicaragua, 126 00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:51,680 Speaker 3: was Venezuela. In the case of China, China was receiving 127 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:54,720 Speaker 3: oil at a huge block twenty dollars a barrel discount, 128 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:56,880 Speaker 3: and what they weren't even paying money for it. It 129 00:07:56,960 --> 00:07:58,880 Speaker 3: was being used to pay down debt that they were owed. 130 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 3: And this is the oil of the people of Venezuela, 131 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:03,160 Speaker 3: and it was being given to the Chinese as brter 132 00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:06,080 Speaker 3: at a twenty percent at a twenty dollars discount for 133 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:06,880 Speaker 3: baro in some case. 134 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 1: So let's let's let's let's let's let's set the stage here. 135 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:17,080 Speaker 1: So you've got Russia, right, You've got Russia, whose economy 136 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:21,640 Speaker 1: we've been trying to stemy. They are being propped up 137 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:26,400 Speaker 1: by China. Right. So China is getting cheap oil from Venezuela. 138 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:29,800 Speaker 1: China is getting cheap oil from Russia. India is getting 139 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:35,480 Speaker 1: oil from Venezuela and Russia and then turning it over 140 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:40,760 Speaker 1: to Russia to refine. All of these things they all 141 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 1: work interchangeably. And so you know, I don't like using 142 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:48,559 Speaker 1: the phrase axis of evil because I think it can 143 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:52,679 Speaker 1: be overused, and it can be uh, it can be 144 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:57,520 Speaker 1: maybe been made into a caricature of itself. But the 145 00:08:57,600 --> 00:09:01,360 Speaker 1: reality is you've got all of these bad individuals, a 146 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:05,439 Speaker 1: legion of doom, working together in a variety of ways. 147 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:09,560 Speaker 1: And so yeah, so you know, something gets real funny, 148 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:13,280 Speaker 1: real quick. Because I went on that German TV show 149 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:16,000 Speaker 1: last week, Meischburger. I went on there on Tuesday. I 150 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:18,480 Speaker 1: did the show here on Monday, and you know, they 151 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:23,000 Speaker 1: were all kinds of apoplectic about about Greenland and what 152 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:24,800 Speaker 1: the president was doing with Greenland and why does he 153 00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:26,719 Speaker 1: want to do Greenland? Is he gonna They're all, He's 154 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:28,800 Speaker 1: gonna put troops on the ground in Greenland, And I'm like, no, 155 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:32,920 Speaker 1: he's not. That's not what he's going to do. Well, 156 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 1: what is he going to do? Well? He wants a 157 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:40,520 Speaker 1: close relationship. Why because if you look at a globe 158 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:44,679 Speaker 1: as opposed to the Mercader projection of a map, Greenland 159 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:49,679 Speaker 1: has huge strategic value in checking Russian power. And guess 160 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:55,400 Speaker 1: what when you check Russian power in that way, right, 161 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:57,960 Speaker 1: and you make Russia have to look to their north 162 00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:03,520 Speaker 1: and to their northwest. When you when you check Russian 163 00:10:03,559 --> 00:10:06,920 Speaker 1: power on the south American continent. It takes their eye 164 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:16,000 Speaker 1: off the ball in Ukraine. It's essentially a containment strategy. 165 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:20,400 Speaker 1: That's what's going on here. But the left will never 166 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:23,080 Speaker 1: want that to happen. Listen in a moment, I don't 167 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:24,599 Speaker 1: want to talk a little bit about Josha Pier. He 168 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:26,840 Speaker 1: said something fascinating over the weekend that gets into my 169 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:30,400 Speaker 1: wheelhouse on public policy. I'm Andrew Langer. This is Tony 170 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:34,520 Speaker 1: Katz today. Hi everybody, I'm Andrew Langer. Land and I 171 00:10:34,520 --> 00:10:38,680 Speaker 1: are having a conversation about about hockey. Uh it's it's 172 00:10:38,880 --> 00:10:43,320 Speaker 1: uh uh it's uh Star Wars Night next Thursday at 173 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:46,040 Speaker 1: the at the Washington Capitals game. So I'm thinking about 174 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:48,800 Speaker 1: going anyway, Hi everybody, I'm Andrew Langer in for Tony 175 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:51,280 Speaker 1: Katz today. We're going to be joined in a couple 176 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:56,280 Speaker 1: of minutes by Daniel Rundy, who is an international relations scholar. 177 00:10:56,320 --> 00:10:58,520 Speaker 1: He's got a great book on American soft power. We're 178 00:10:58,520 --> 00:11:00,440 Speaker 1: going to talk about this issue of what the Chinese 179 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:02,800 Speaker 1: are up to. This is what the Chinese do do, 180 00:11:02,880 --> 00:11:05,480 Speaker 1: by the way, you know, as Marco Ruby was talking about, 181 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:12,520 Speaker 1: they they find their ways to sort of insinuate themselves, 182 00:11:13,280 --> 00:11:16,560 Speaker 1: embed themselves right. One of the things we talk about 183 00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:21,040 Speaker 1: with their silk and Roads strategy is that they is 184 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:23,520 Speaker 1: that they you know, they build all of this infrastructure 185 00:11:23,559 --> 00:11:27,560 Speaker 1: for countries and give them what look like on paper 186 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:30,560 Speaker 1: favorable terms, but they're really not, and then they essentially 187 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:32,719 Speaker 1: will go in and repossess or find ways to get 188 00:11:32,760 --> 00:11:37,880 Speaker 1: what they want extractive wise, out of these countries. It's 189 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:41,680 Speaker 1: it's it's diabolical, to say the least. Interesting enough, speaking 190 00:11:41,679 --> 00:11:47,320 Speaker 1: about this, I thought today the us DA has an 191 00:11:47,400 --> 00:11:51,920 Speaker 1: open comment period. What do I mean by this? I 192 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:56,480 Speaker 1: mean that when agencies make regulatory changes, federal agencies under 193 00:11:56,520 --> 00:11:59,240 Speaker 1: something called the Administrative PROCEDURECT, they have to put basically 194 00:11:59,240 --> 00:12:02,160 Speaker 1: all of it out for public comment. And this is 195 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:04,800 Speaker 1: a lot of what I do for SEAPEC. And so today, 196 00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:09,760 Speaker 1: supposedly the comments were going to be due on their 197 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:15,120 Speaker 1: guidelines for restricting foreign ownership of agricultural lands. And I 198 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:17,559 Speaker 1: go into the portal today Regulations dot govern I find 199 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:19,960 Speaker 1: out that they've delayed the comment period by two weeks, 200 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:23,120 Speaker 1: which is great because I'm trying to get grassroots comments 201 00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:25,760 Speaker 1: in on this. You know something, I'll put it up 202 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:30,160 Speaker 1: on x at Andrew Underscore Langer. If you want to 203 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:33,040 Speaker 1: send comments into this docket. They're only like six comments 204 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:36,040 Speaker 1: in there right now, which is kind of crazy. But yeah, 205 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:38,920 Speaker 1: so this's a lot of what I do. So interestingly enough, 206 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:42,320 Speaker 1: we started to talk about the fact that twenty twenty eight, 207 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:45,640 Speaker 1: the twenty twenty eight presidential election is almost upon us. 208 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:51,360 Speaker 1: I know it's twenty twenty six, but yes, Democrats especially 209 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:56,439 Speaker 1: are starting to jockey for this. We know Gavin Newsom 210 00:12:56,520 --> 00:12:59,920 Speaker 1: is running, Pete Budajette is probably running, the governor of 211 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:04,520 Speaker 1: marilynd Wes Moore probably running. We hear rumors that Ram 212 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:14,439 Speaker 1: Emmanuel is running. Josh Shapiro is out there, governor of Pennsylvania, 213 00:13:15,520 --> 00:13:20,199 Speaker 1: styles himself as a moderate, and he said something really interesting. 214 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:23,960 Speaker 1: And you know, one of the problems that Kamala Harris 215 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:27,480 Speaker 1: had was that she could not distinguish herself from the 216 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:30,880 Speaker 1: Biden administration. She said she would do things differently, she 217 00:13:30,880 --> 00:13:33,280 Speaker 1: didn't agree with the Biden administration on everything, but she 218 00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:36,360 Speaker 1: couldn't actually articulate what she disagreed with the Biden administration about. 219 00:13:37,559 --> 00:13:41,199 Speaker 1: So here's Josh Shapiro running, possibly running for president, I 220 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:43,439 Speaker 1: should say, and he says, and let me let me 221 00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:45,000 Speaker 1: play this. Let's play cut number seventeen. 222 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:51,960 Speaker 5: The Biden Harris administration didn't provide those specific tangible things 223 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:55,200 Speaker 5: that people could see or feel. I'll give you a 224 00:13:55,280 --> 00:13:58,000 Speaker 5: very specific, concrete example. One of the biggest things holding 225 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:02,040 Speaker 5: back our rural communities is a lack of. 226 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:05,440 Speaker 1: High speed, affordable internet. 227 00:14:05,520 --> 00:14:08,160 Speaker 5: Some people call that broadband. I've got two hundred and 228 00:14:08,200 --> 00:14:12,600 Speaker 5: forty six thousand homes and businesses without it. I was 229 00:14:12,679 --> 00:14:17,359 Speaker 5: incredibly proud of President Biden when they got that infrastructure 230 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:21,200 Speaker 5: Bill passed to provide the billions of dollars that were 231 00:14:21,280 --> 00:14:25,760 Speaker 5: needed to plug everybody and connect everybody in Pennsylvania. And 232 00:14:25,840 --> 00:14:29,080 Speaker 5: do you know how many people scott this many years 233 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:32,720 Speaker 5: later have been connected to high speed affordable internet thanks 234 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:39,200 Speaker 5: to President Biden's law in Pennsylvania. Zero because the dollars 235 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:41,680 Speaker 5: were never driven out. 236 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:43,440 Speaker 4: Right. 237 00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:47,720 Speaker 1: It's like, it's like the electric car infrastructure. Oh, I 238 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:49,320 Speaker 1: got to find this at some point. Maybe I'll find 239 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:53,240 Speaker 1: it for Friday. There's a I love Bondy Python as 240 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:56,400 Speaker 1: a teenager. Some of it holds up, some of it doesn't. 241 00:14:56,520 --> 00:14:58,280 Speaker 1: One of the things that holds up is that there 242 00:14:58,320 --> 00:15:01,280 Speaker 1: is a There's a segment in which the BBC is 243 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:05,160 Speaker 1: interviewing the housing minister, and the Housing Minister has a 244 00:15:05,280 --> 00:15:08,280 Speaker 1: mustache and is wearing a dress and they and they 245 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:10,640 Speaker 1: ask him, you know, in your in your plan for 246 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:13,960 Speaker 1: a new Great Britain, you promised to build a million 247 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:17,560 Speaker 1: billion homes. To date you have built five. How do 248 00:15:17,640 --> 00:15:21,400 Speaker 1: you explain this? And he says, seriously, I'm going to 249 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:24,360 Speaker 1: answer this in two ways, first in my own voice 250 00:15:24,760 --> 00:15:29,040 Speaker 1: and second in sort of a strange, funny pitched wine. 251 00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:32,640 Speaker 1: You know this is this is the problem. And we 252 00:15:32,720 --> 00:15:35,840 Speaker 1: knew that, we knew, we knew, we knew that the 253 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:39,000 Speaker 1: Inflation Reduction Act was not was not about It wasn't 254 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:42,720 Speaker 1: about reducing inflation. It wasn't about getting infrastructure out there. 255 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:45,040 Speaker 1: We knew that they weren't going to build the electric 256 00:15:45,160 --> 00:15:49,040 Speaker 1: vehicle charging stations that they claim to have want. We 257 00:15:49,160 --> 00:15:51,560 Speaker 1: know that they can't have the electricity in deemeth this 258 00:15:51,880 --> 00:15:56,520 Speaker 1: on the internet stuff. It is fascinating to me because, 259 00:15:56,560 --> 00:15:59,560 Speaker 1: by the way, it's not the last mile that's the problem. 260 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:03,360 Speaker 1: Contrary to what a lot of Democrats believe or or 261 00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:06,440 Speaker 1: or tout, it's the so called middle mile, uh that 262 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:08,520 Speaker 1: tends to be the issue. You know, you can you 263 00:16:08,560 --> 00:16:11,520 Speaker 1: can get sort of grants for for getting broadband down 264 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:14,240 Speaker 1: to someone's house in the same way that we electrified 265 00:16:14,280 --> 00:16:20,040 Speaker 1: the Tennessee Valley. Blah blah blah. The real interest, the 266 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:25,120 Speaker 1: real issue is sorry, I got to call from our 267 00:16:25,120 --> 00:16:26,880 Speaker 1: I got an email from our guests that distracted me. 268 00:16:27,360 --> 00:16:30,200 Speaker 1: The the the funny issue is there are ways to 269 00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:34,040 Speaker 1: do this to deliver that internet to the folks who 270 00:16:34,120 --> 00:16:38,240 Speaker 1: need it that don't require massive amounts of digging of 271 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:41,960 Speaker 1: cables or the stringing of wires. You don't need to 272 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:46,160 Speaker 1: do that anymore, you know. And and there is a 273 00:16:46,280 --> 00:16:48,960 Speaker 1: there's a guy. I don't know if you've heard of him. 274 00:16:49,280 --> 00:16:53,120 Speaker 1: He's kind of obscure. He tends to step out of 275 00:16:53,160 --> 00:16:59,160 Speaker 1: the spotlight. His name is Elon Musk. I don't I 276 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:01,840 Speaker 1: don't don't know if you've ever heard of him. But 277 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:04,960 Speaker 1: he had an electric car company, has an electric car company. 278 00:17:05,080 --> 00:17:07,840 Speaker 1: He does some stuff in space. He's got a company 279 00:17:07,840 --> 00:17:10,399 Speaker 1: called SpaceX. It might not have heard of him, Elon Musk. 280 00:17:10,840 --> 00:17:16,000 Speaker 1: Elon Musk has this business called Starlink, and it provides 281 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:21,879 Speaker 1: a satellite based internet service that is very cost effective. 282 00:17:22,080 --> 00:17:23,240 Speaker 1: By the way, I'm making a joke, I know you 283 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:28,600 Speaker 1: all know who Elon Musk is. Please so very cost 284 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:33,960 Speaker 1: effective starlink. It can be deployed easily and I would 285 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:36,359 Speaker 1: probably say ninety nine percent of the places that are 286 00:17:36,359 --> 00:17:39,080 Speaker 1: out there, and again doesn't require a lot of digging 287 00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:43,400 Speaker 1: and for the same price of digging a lot of infrastructure. 288 00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:46,520 Speaker 1: For folks who want this broadband, you could just deliver 289 00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:49,880 Speaker 1: them the satellite edition frankly, pick up their subscriptions if 290 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:51,800 Speaker 1: you wanted to do that. I don't think you want 291 00:17:51,840 --> 00:17:53,600 Speaker 1: to do that, but you might if you want it 292 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:57,160 Speaker 1: to You could do it that way. But because Elon 293 00:17:57,320 --> 00:18:03,439 Speaker 1: Musk was such a staunch Trump supporter, what did the 294 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:08,080 Speaker 1: federal government do? What did the Biden administration do? Well, 295 00:18:08,119 --> 00:18:11,399 Speaker 1: they canceled any kind of a contract with Starlink to 296 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:14,080 Speaker 1: deliver this kind of service to the folks who needed 297 00:18:14,359 --> 00:18:17,600 Speaker 1: and they instead turned around and went to a competitor 298 00:18:17,800 --> 00:18:22,080 Speaker 1: at four times the cost and with less reliability. See, 299 00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:24,760 Speaker 1: this is the problem. You know, we were talking with 300 00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:28,359 Speaker 1: Brandon Arnold about actually, you know something I was going 301 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:30,119 Speaker 1: to say this. It's actually somebody I was talking to 302 00:18:30,160 --> 00:18:36,680 Speaker 1: earlier about cronyism. You know, it's when government can pick 303 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:39,840 Speaker 1: these winners and losers in the marketplace and flex their 304 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:43,200 Speaker 1: muscle politically that you get all kinds of bad outcomes 305 00:18:43,240 --> 00:18:47,399 Speaker 1: that are out there. Right, it should be that if 306 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:52,840 Speaker 1: you've got somebody who provides a reliable, less expensive service, 307 00:18:54,240 --> 00:18:57,600 Speaker 1: you know, more reliable, less expensive service to a community 308 00:18:57,600 --> 00:19:02,000 Speaker 1: that you're trying to serve with taxpayer dollars, maybe it 309 00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:04,720 Speaker 1: should go to that person's business, even if you don't 310 00:19:04,800 --> 00:19:08,959 Speaker 1: like their politics, because again, we're talking about policy, we're 311 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:11,280 Speaker 1: talking about solving the problem. Well, listen, we're going to 312 00:19:11,320 --> 00:19:13,159 Speaker 1: be joined in a couple of minutes by Daniel Rundy. 313 00:19:13,520 --> 00:19:15,480 Speaker 1: I am Andrew Langer. If you want to join the 314 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:18,560 Speaker 1: conversation Facebook dot com slash Andrew Langer Show, you can 315 00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:23,159 Speaker 1: at me on x at Andrew Underscore Langer. This is 316 00:19:23,840 --> 00:19:29,480 Speaker 1: Tony Katz Today on WIBC and also syndicated right here 317 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:34,000 Speaker 1: on the Tony Kats Today Network. Welcome back, everybody. I 318 00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:36,840 Speaker 1: am Andrew Langer in for Tony Katz Today. I'll be 319 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:40,280 Speaker 1: back on Friday to chat with all of you. So 320 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:43,359 Speaker 1: glad about that. Remember, we've got our special we're working 321 00:19:43,359 --> 00:19:45,000 Speaker 1: on trying to get. I'm hoping to get somebody from 322 00:19:45,040 --> 00:19:48,679 Speaker 1: the Miracle on Ice nineteen eighty US Olympic hockey team. 323 00:19:49,119 --> 00:19:53,560 Speaker 1: Something I know, Daniel remembers, Daniel, where you you're a 324 00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:56,840 Speaker 1: big fan of us, the nineteen eighty Olympic hockey team, Mark, 325 00:19:56,920 --> 00:19:57,320 Speaker 1: I mean the. 326 00:19:57,240 --> 00:19:59,840 Speaker 4: Miracle on Ice. I mean it was an iconic moment 327 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:03,239 Speaker 4: American history and something we should all be proud of 328 00:20:03,320 --> 00:20:04,160 Speaker 4: as Americans. 329 00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:08,040 Speaker 1: Unbelievable, it's it's uh yeah. We've got the forty sixth 330 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:12,280 Speaker 1: anniversary this year, a new new documentary from Netflix dropping 331 00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:17,760 Speaker 1: on on Friday, also the anniversary today, Daniel of the 332 00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:20,159 Speaker 1: Challenger disaster, I'm going to be talking about that in 333 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:21,600 Speaker 1: just a couple of minutes. You don't need to comment 334 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:23,600 Speaker 1: on that unless you unless you want to. 335 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:28,159 Speaker 4: Just sadly, everyone, sadly, everybody who was alive at that 336 00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:31,880 Speaker 4: time remembers where they were when the Challenger disaster happened. 337 00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:35,280 Speaker 1: Ter right were you were you in school? 338 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:38,720 Speaker 6: Were you raid visiting? 339 00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:41,840 Speaker 4: They took us on a field trip to visit the 340 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:43,639 Speaker 4: high school, saying this is where you're going to go 341 00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:48,800 Speaker 4: for your ninth grade and don't be intimidated. And you 342 00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:52,160 Speaker 4: know when we were on the bus either I think 343 00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:54,359 Speaker 4: on the either on the way there or when we 344 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:58,720 Speaker 4: were there. It is terrible, the terrible tragedy happened, so 345 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:01,879 Speaker 4: I remember where I was because of that. 346 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:05,359 Speaker 1: Sadly it it yeah, really, it's it's one of the 347 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:07,480 Speaker 1: it's one of those one of those moments that everybody 348 00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:11,720 Speaker 1: knows we're talking about. Daniel Runley. Rudley, Daniel Rundy. He's 349 00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:15,600 Speaker 1: a fellow with the Center for Strategic and International Studies CSIS. 350 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:19,800 Speaker 1: He's the author of the American Imperative, Reclaiming Global Leadership 351 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:22,440 Speaker 1: through Soft Power. I had the fortune of talking to 352 00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:25,400 Speaker 1: him for the Lunch Hour podcast last week, and that's 353 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:27,120 Speaker 1: going to be up in just a couple of weeks 354 00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:31,280 Speaker 1: ago and check that out. But Daniel so Marco Rubio, 355 00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:33,720 Speaker 1: Secretary of State, was up on the hill today talking 356 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:38,200 Speaker 1: about Venezuela and he was talking about this axis between 357 00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:42,600 Speaker 1: Iran and Russia and China, and he was specifically talking 358 00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:48,000 Speaker 1: about the Chinese getting cheap oil from Venezuela. Uh, and 359 00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:53,320 Speaker 1: it's this issue of Venezuela paying down its debts to China. 360 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:57,120 Speaker 1: You and I talked about this Built and Road initiative 361 00:21:57,280 --> 00:22:01,520 Speaker 1: that China is on. Talk talk about how that plays 362 00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:04,200 Speaker 1: in and what China is up to and why China 363 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:07,399 Speaker 1: is able to get oil at below cost from nations 364 00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:08,119 Speaker 1: like Venezuela. 365 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:11,919 Speaker 4: Well, since this is a family radio show, I'm going 366 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:15,160 Speaker 4: to say China no bueno, as opposed to something else. 367 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:19,119 Speaker 4: China no bueno. So Chinese Communist Party no bueno. So 368 00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:21,320 Speaker 4: I would just say that a couple of things. One 369 00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:26,440 Speaker 4: is that as they've gotten wealthier and more powerful, they 370 00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:32,080 Speaker 4: have stuck straws into countries all over the world. Venezuela, 371 00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:38,119 Speaker 4: parts of Africa, Russia, elsewhere. They have partnership with Iran. 372 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:42,760 Speaker 4: A lot of RAN's oil goes to China, so they 373 00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:49,160 Speaker 4: took oil from Venezuela. And they also the Venezuelas borrowed 374 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:53,240 Speaker 4: money from China, and so they've had a very mobbed 375 00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:57,080 Speaker 4: up relationship with the bad guys in Venezuela. So they've 376 00:22:57,119 --> 00:22:59,800 Speaker 4: absolutely did get some kind of sweetheart deal on the 377 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:02,800 Speaker 4: in the oil, but they also lent money to the 378 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:05,560 Speaker 4: Venezuelan and so one of the problems now is we 379 00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:07,960 Speaker 4: try and rebuild Venezuela is what do we do about 380 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:10,840 Speaker 4: all the messy debt. They have debt with the Chinese, 381 00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:14,159 Speaker 4: they have debt with others, and so rebuilding the country 382 00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:16,719 Speaker 4: is going to mean first sorting out who do they 383 00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:19,960 Speaker 4: owe money to and did they that that oil derek 384 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:22,240 Speaker 4: over there? Did they use it as collateral for three 385 00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:23,000 Speaker 4: different loans? 386 00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:23,600 Speaker 1: Do you know what I mean? 387 00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:28,160 Speaker 4: Like that right, all that kind of crazy cuckoo stuff, right, 388 00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:31,440 Speaker 4: So I think it's there, absolutely is in nexus. There 389 00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:34,199 Speaker 4: absolutely is a nexus of bad guys and alliance of 390 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:38,960 Speaker 4: bad guys. You know, Russia, China, I Ram, all those 391 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:43,919 Speaker 4: countries operate in Venezuela. And uh, I know that, you know. 392 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:46,280 Speaker 4: I think there's uh, there's so there. And then yeah, 393 00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:50,080 Speaker 4: on the Belton Road they are looking to They have 394 00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:52,760 Speaker 4: a series of reasons why they set up the Belton Road. 395 00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:56,359 Speaker 4: One is that they had a bunch of dollars in 396 00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:59,679 Speaker 4: their bank account in their in their central bank, and 397 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:02,680 Speaker 4: they wanted to deploy it and partially as an employment 398 00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:06,239 Speaker 4: program because they have a temporary overhang. 399 00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:10,679 Speaker 1: Of young young men that need to be employed and keep. 400 00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:13,600 Speaker 4: State old enterprises kind of on sugar high, you know, 401 00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:19,399 Speaker 4: employment overseas building railroads and building ports and whatever overseas. 402 00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:22,879 Speaker 4: But also they don't want to have the US Navy 403 00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:27,280 Speaker 4: cut them off at places like the Malaka straight so 404 00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:30,960 Speaker 4: they've been trying to do work big infrastructure workarounds to 405 00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:35,520 Speaker 4: prevent being cut off at the Malacca Straight. They also 406 00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:37,920 Speaker 4: don't want us to have they so they also have 407 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:42,159 Speaker 4: built a big gas connection with Russia, partially as a 408 00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:45,560 Speaker 4: way to avoid being too dependent on you know, the 409 00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:46,960 Speaker 4: outside sea lanes. 410 00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:47,120 Speaker 6: Et cetera. 411 00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:50,040 Speaker 4: So some of it's been a national security thing or 412 00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:54,119 Speaker 4: a strategic thing, but some it's been a big, you know, 413 00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:56,920 Speaker 4: a big But the other thing is, though, Andrew, and 414 00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:59,560 Speaker 4: I think your listeners are obviously got really smart listeners 415 00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:02,040 Speaker 4: on the show. Oh, like a lot of these countries, 416 00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:04,680 Speaker 4: they want infrastructure. They want a railroad, right, they want 417 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:07,640 Speaker 4: a telecom system, they want to poured. And you can't 418 00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:10,640 Speaker 4: fight something with nothing. So if the Chinese are like, hey, 419 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:13,800 Speaker 4: I'll give you a crappy port or a crappy road 420 00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:17,000 Speaker 4: or a crappy railroad, and that's the only game in town. 421 00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:20,240 Speaker 4: If you're Zambia or your Angola, you're gonna say yeah, sure. 422 00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:22,119 Speaker 4: Or if you're if no one else is going to 423 00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:24,919 Speaker 4: lend you money like Venezuela, because you're such a broken, 424 00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:27,960 Speaker 4: messed up place, because the socialism is driven you into 425 00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:30,560 Speaker 4: the ground. You're saying thank you for lending me this money, 426 00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:34,080 Speaker 4: mister loan shark. Chinese's party person right. 427 00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:38,600 Speaker 1: Absolutely. Our guest, by the way, is Daniel Rundy. He 428 00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:42,479 Speaker 1: is a fellow with the Center for Strategic and International Studies, 429 00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:45,800 Speaker 1: the author of the book The American Imperative, Reclaiming Global 430 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:48,600 Speaker 1: Leadership through Soft Power. Now, when you and I chatted 431 00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:51,080 Speaker 1: last week, we were trying to figure out what was 432 00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:54,920 Speaker 1: going on with with Greenland. You and I were both right, 433 00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:57,960 Speaker 1: so the President was not not going to invade and 434 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:00,639 Speaker 1: put troops on the ground, but talk to us all 435 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:05,080 Speaker 1: about why Greenland is so important when dealing with places 436 00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:06,800 Speaker 1: like Russia and China. 437 00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:09,640 Speaker 6: So absolutely, I think so. 438 00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:11,880 Speaker 4: The first thing I would say, and your listeners will 439 00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:16,320 Speaker 4: understand this. We have had an ongoing interest of the 440 00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:19,280 Speaker 4: United States and Greenland since eighteen sixty seven or eighteen 441 00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:23,960 Speaker 4: sixty six Andrew Wow when we bought Alaska Seaward, who 442 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:26,280 Speaker 4: I think was our Secretary of States, and I also 443 00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:29,600 Speaker 4: not only don't have to buy Alaska, but as one 444 00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:33,000 Speaker 4: shield on one side of the Northern American continent, I 445 00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:35,720 Speaker 4: want the other side of the North American continent covered 446 00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:39,920 Speaker 4: by Greenland. The James wouldn't sell it after World War One. 447 00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:41,439 Speaker 4: We said, well, you sell it to us, and they 448 00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:44,919 Speaker 4: said no. But they did sell us the US Virgin Islands. 449 00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:47,959 Speaker 4: So the US Virgin Islands used to be Danish colonies. 450 00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:49,679 Speaker 1: Oh wow, just for them. 451 00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:52,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, when you go on a vacation in the US 452 00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:55,200 Speaker 4: Virgin Islands, those were Danish islands that were sold after 453 00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:56,600 Speaker 4: World War One. 454 00:26:57,480 --> 00:26:58,480 Speaker 1: In World War two. 455 00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:01,840 Speaker 4: When the bad guys that did not he's took over Denmark, 456 00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:05,920 Speaker 4: the then Danish ambassador and making this up nineteen forty two, 457 00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:10,040 Speaker 4: went over to the State Department and said, I'm making 458 00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:13,280 Speaker 4: a decision on my own as representative of the Danish government, 459 00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:17,600 Speaker 4: the Free Danish government, to hand over. I'm going to 460 00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:21,119 Speaker 4: lease you Greenland for the rest of this war, and 461 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:23,920 Speaker 4: you manage Greenland. And that's how we got Coast Guard 462 00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:27,480 Speaker 4: people there right there there. There were American World War 463 00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:29,359 Speaker 4: assets in World War two. As a result of the 464 00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:33,040 Speaker 4: deal that this ambassador made with the United States, many 465 00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:36,760 Speaker 4: people in Denmark freaked out on him, and he was mistreated. 466 00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:40,800 Speaker 4: He was only rehabilitated in like nineteen fifty five or something, 467 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:44,760 Speaker 4: so he was like blacklisted by his own country for 468 00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:48,440 Speaker 4: like ten years. We then signed an agree after World 469 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:50,200 Speaker 4: War two. The days like can we have it back? 470 00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:54,159 Speaker 4: And Terry Truman said I'd like to buy it, and 471 00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:55,040 Speaker 4: the Danes said no. 472 00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:57,280 Speaker 5: So then we had like five. 473 00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:59,639 Speaker 4: Years of negotiations and then we started an agreement in 474 00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:06,680 Speaker 4: nineteen fifty one, heyent agreement. Well things have changed, Andrews Sims. 475 00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:10,040 Speaker 4: Then one is that like, there are these hypersonic missiles 476 00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:14,560 Speaker 4: right across Greenland, so we need act. We need a 477 00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:19,320 Speaker 4: lot more missile defense stuff on Greenland and early warning 478 00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:22,720 Speaker 4: stuff on Greenland. The second thing is for a bunch 479 00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:25,920 Speaker 4: of reasons. Some of the large of it largely technological. 480 00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:29,960 Speaker 4: The Russians and the Chinese have an increasing presence in 481 00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:34,399 Speaker 4: the Arctic, right, so it's there's an Arctic security issue. 482 00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:39,320 Speaker 4: And there was either a Chinese company or indirectly a 483 00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:43,440 Speaker 4: Chinese indirect ownership tried to buy a mine in Denmark, sorry, 484 00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:46,160 Speaker 4: in Greenland. The Danes said no, and then somebody else 485 00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:50,000 Speaker 4: there's the Russians of these like hey, control report, I believe, 486 00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:52,160 Speaker 4: and the Danes said no. So this isn't like a 487 00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:54,040 Speaker 4: theoretical thing, this is for real. 488 00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:56,800 Speaker 1: Right, Hey, Daniel, listen. Unfortunately you're starting to break up 489 00:28:56,800 --> 00:29:00,520 Speaker 1: a little bit. We're running short on time. Folks will 490 00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:03,480 Speaker 1: tune into the conversation. Daniel and I are going to 491 00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:05,000 Speaker 1: have it's going to be dropped in just a couple 492 00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:07,480 Speaker 1: of days. Thank you so very much for joining us. 493 00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:09,320 Speaker 5: My friend, Thanks, my friend. 494 00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:12,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, take care. That's Daniel Rundy. He's a fellow with 495 00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:15,640 Speaker 1: the Center for Strategic and International Studies. In a moment, 496 00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:18,280 Speaker 1: we're going to be talking about the anniversary the Challenger disaster. 497 00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:20,440 Speaker 1: I'm Andrew Langer. This is Tony Kats today. Well we 498 00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:23,840 Speaker 1: are back. I am Andrew Langer. Something this is This 499 00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:26,320 Speaker 1: is good. I probably should have sent Land then I 500 00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:30,160 Speaker 1: should have sent you a Starman or we Can be 501 00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:34,440 Speaker 1: Heroes by David Bowie. That was a failure on my part. Listen, 502 00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:37,120 Speaker 1: that's it. Show's a failure. It's gonna wrap it up 503 00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:40,920 Speaker 1: here anyway. Hi everybody, I'm Andrew Langer, and you know 504 00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:43,840 Speaker 1: I woke up this morning and popped up I'm sure 505 00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:46,280 Speaker 1: for a lot of you popped across my Facebook feed 506 00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:52,200 Speaker 1: that today is the fortieth anniversary of the Challenger disaster. 507 00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:55,000 Speaker 1: And for those of you who don't know if you 508 00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:57,800 Speaker 1: might be too young for this, you know, there was 509 00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:02,760 Speaker 1: a whole fleet of space Now, I was a space nerd. 510 00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:04,360 Speaker 1: I was I wanted to be an astronaut, when I 511 00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:07,640 Speaker 1: was a kid. Turns out it and the aptitude for 512 00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:11,600 Speaker 1: the math. The whole budget thing is going on. But 513 00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:14,400 Speaker 1: I wanted to be an asteroids. I was fascinated by 514 00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:16,920 Speaker 1: anything having to do with space and fascinated by the 515 00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:19,840 Speaker 1: Space Shuttle. Watched the first Space Shuttle go up in 516 00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:25,160 Speaker 1: April of eighty one, and you know, there was a 517 00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:29,960 Speaker 1: whole big push. It was interesting because you know, in 518 00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:35,920 Speaker 1: eighty five, eighty forty five, there was a essentially a contest. 519 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:41,000 Speaker 1: They nacess solicited. They wanted a science teacher to sign 520 00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:45,360 Speaker 1: up to apply to be on a Space Shuttle flight. 521 00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:47,520 Speaker 1: It was a whole big, big thing. They're going to 522 00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:51,680 Speaker 1: put a teacher in space, which is a very nice idea. 523 00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:54,360 Speaker 1: And this would have been the twenty fifth Space Shuttle launch. 524 00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:58,560 Speaker 1: And there's nothing routine about about going up in space. 525 00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:02,400 Speaker 1: And Krista mccaliffe was the teacher who was selected, and 526 00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:04,240 Speaker 1: it was a whole big thing. And because there was 527 00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:06,840 Speaker 1: a teacher going up, they weren't showing like they showed 528 00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:08,560 Speaker 1: the first Shuttle launch, as it said in eighty one 529 00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:10,920 Speaker 1: a lot of classrooms. I remember watching it in my class, 530 00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:17,880 Speaker 1: but they they they showed this launch in a lot 531 00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:21,160 Speaker 1: of classes. I don't think I did not watch this live. 532 00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:27,200 Speaker 1: I think I was in geometry class when the launch happened. 533 00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:30,360 Speaker 1: But let's go ahead and play the audio. This is 534 00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:32,440 Speaker 1: from NBC News. I had it a little bit for time. 535 00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:34,400 Speaker 1: Let's go ahead and play cut number eighteen. 536 00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:35,440 Speaker 4: Fine. 537 00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:38,520 Speaker 7: It was a bitter cold, but sparkling clear morning at 538 00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:41,240 Speaker 7: Cape Canaveral. And here the last seconds of the countdown 539 00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:47,360 Speaker 7: three two one and lift off left off of the 540 00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:50,240 Speaker 7: twenty fifth base Shuttle mission and it is clear. 541 00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:50,760 Speaker 1: Is the tower. 542 00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:54,400 Speaker 7: All the communications between the shuttle and mission control indicated 543 00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:57,160 Speaker 7: everything was going fine. There was a sense of relief 544 00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:00,320 Speaker 7: that the much delayed flight was finally underway at. 545 00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:03,680 Speaker 6: Sixty five percent, three engines running normally, three good fuel deals, 546 00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:07,720 Speaker 6: three good APUs engines trottling up, three engines, and now 547 00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:08,480 Speaker 6: one hundred. 548 00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:12,280 Speaker 4: And four percent challenger go ahead, trottle up. 549 00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:15,000 Speaker 7: It happened just over one minute inch of flight. 550 00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:21,840 Speaker 6: One minute fifteen seconds, flocity twenty nine hundred feet per second, 551 00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:24,480 Speaker 6: altitude nine inautical mouth down range distant seven aug. 552 00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:31,040 Speaker 7: A moth from mission control. Silence, then the bland chilling report. 553 00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:33,840 Speaker 6: We have a report from the flight dynamics officer that 554 00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:37,280 Speaker 6: the vehicle has exploded. Flight Director confirms that we are 555 00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:41,200 Speaker 6: looking at checking with the recovery forces to see what 556 00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:42,280 Speaker 6: can be done at this point. 557 00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:47,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, and obviously nothing, nothing could be done. And obviously 558 00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:49,280 Speaker 1: there's a lot of discussion as to how long they 559 00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:53,720 Speaker 1: were alive for and what what happened then. But the 560 00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:55,920 Speaker 1: bottom line here is, and I don't want to I 561 00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:58,960 Speaker 1: don't want to play the blame game. I do want 562 00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:01,959 Speaker 1: to offer this up as an example of the unintended 563 00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:06,040 Speaker 1: consequences of regulation and the risk calculations of of things 564 00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:08,960 Speaker 1: that happened. You know, my my dad did a little 565 00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:11,320 Speaker 1: bit of work with the folks who were looking at 566 00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:14,640 Speaker 1: the root cause. We talked about root causes earlier today 567 00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:16,959 Speaker 1: on the show. You know, one of the things is 568 00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:21,440 Speaker 1: that when when the federal government stopped using asbestos in 569 00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:25,959 Speaker 1: h and demanded that the contractors stopped using asbestos products 570 00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:30,520 Speaker 1: in their federal contracting, Morton Thiacol had to change the 571 00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:33,960 Speaker 1: formula for the putty that they were that they were 572 00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:39,680 Speaker 1: using to help keep this keep the this the UH 573 00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:44,520 Speaker 1: booster engines connected to the the SRPS solid rocket was 574 00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:49,000 Speaker 1: just connected to the Space Shuttle, and nobody realized that 575 00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:53,360 Speaker 1: when you change the formula of the putty, it changed 576 00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:56,440 Speaker 1: the dynamics of it. And so there was an unusually 577 00:33:56,480 --> 00:34:01,560 Speaker 1: cold morning that morning, and the the putty had gotten 578 00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:06,960 Speaker 1: brittle and it couldn't handle the stresses of the launch. 579 00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:12,080 Speaker 1: But the bottom line here is that that this was 580 00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:15,080 Speaker 1: a seminal moment. As I said earlier, I can't believe 581 00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:18,919 Speaker 1: that it's forty years. It feels like yesterday. I don't 582 00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:22,000 Speaker 1: feel like I have been around on this earth long 583 00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:25,839 Speaker 1: enough for me to be celebrating the fortieth anniversary of 584 00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:30,640 Speaker 1: some moment right that that all of my peers shared. 585 00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:34,000 Speaker 1: In fact, I know that if I called my friends 586 00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:36,480 Speaker 1: from at that point I guess it was my freshman 587 00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:41,919 Speaker 1: year of high school, that they would that they would 588 00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:45,359 Speaker 1: you know, they would all have their own recollections of this. 589 00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:48,960 Speaker 1: You know, where they were, how they found out. You know, 590 00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:53,000 Speaker 1: for some kids it's it's it's nine to eleven. But 591 00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:57,520 Speaker 1: you know, just take a moment today and think about 592 00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:01,520 Speaker 1: those who have given their lives in the service of 593 00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:06,640 Speaker 1: exploration and in the service of you know, the American 594 00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:11,080 Speaker 1: the American heritage. Do that I mean, you know it 595 00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:13,040 Speaker 1: is you know we are we are celebrating our two 596 00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:16,480 Speaker 1: hundred and fiftieth anniversary this year, and there have been 597 00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:19,120 Speaker 1: a lot of moments there where we can celebrate those 598 00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:22,480 Speaker 1: who made the ultimate sacrifice in the name of the 599 00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:27,600 Speaker 1: pursuit of a truth and justice. In any case, guys, 600 00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:30,640 Speaker 1: I will be back on Friday with all of you 601 00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:32,400 Speaker 1: very much looking forward to it. We're going to be 602 00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:37,320 Speaker 1: celebrating another anniversary. We're really celebrating the anniversary either way, 603 00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:41,120 Speaker 1: that of the nineteen eighty victory of the US Olympic 604 00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:43,279 Speaker 1: Hockey team, hoping that we're going to be joined by 605 00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:45,239 Speaker 1: one of the members of that team. As always, you 606 00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:48,399 Speaker 1: can go check me out Facebook dot com, Slash Andrew 607 00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:52,000 Speaker 1: Langers Show, follow me on X and Andrew Underscore Langer. 608 00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:54,160 Speaker 1: Thank you Landon, Have a great night, Stay safe,