1 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:10,800 Speaker 1: Line from Ball Heartland and the Crossroads of America. It's 2 00:00:10,880 --> 00:00:34,480 Speaker 1: Tony Katz today. 3 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:39,160 Speaker 2: If you look at the headline. 4 00:00:40,360 --> 00:00:44,880 Speaker 3: Over there at Newsmax from Senator Schmitt Eric Smith of Missouri, 5 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:49,800 Speaker 3: I try and say it proper. DEM's desperate to smear 6 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:58,400 Speaker 3: Pete Hegseth. Well, no kidding. Smearing hag Seth is the 7 00:00:58,560 --> 00:01:03,880 Speaker 3: thing that moves and motivates them. Most of all, if 8 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:12,800 Speaker 3: you listen to Hakim Jeffries, the not so esteemed minority 9 00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:15,360 Speaker 3: leader in the House, you get this. 10 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:20,720 Speaker 4: That's this end more the House Democratic Leader Hakim Jeffries 11 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:23,640 Speaker 4: of New York. Leader Jeffries, thanks so much for joining us. 12 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:25,959 Speaker 4: Which first of all, what's your response to what we 13 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:29,560 Speaker 4: heard there from President Trump and Defense Secretary of Hegseeth 14 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:31,160 Speaker 4: about that boat strike. 15 00:01:32,880 --> 00:01:35,319 Speaker 5: Well, there's a lot of explaining that the White House 16 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:37,039 Speaker 5: needs to do. Listen, at the end of the day, 17 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:40,760 Speaker 5: the buck stops with the president and the so called 18 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:44,200 Speaker 5: secretary of Defense. And it's not clear to me that 19 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:46,560 Speaker 5: the so called secretary of Defense is being truthful in 20 00:01:46,600 --> 00:01:48,800 Speaker 5: this instance, the. 21 00:01:48,920 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 3: So called Secretary of Defense, there is never a moment 22 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:55,440 Speaker 3: where the Democratic Party is not interested in trying to 23 00:01:55,480 --> 00:01:56,600 Speaker 3: subvert the chain of command. 24 00:01:56,760 --> 00:01:59,120 Speaker 2: Did I say, hello, Tony Katz, Tony. 25 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:01,360 Speaker 3: Katz today, guys to be with you, glad to be 26 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:03,880 Speaker 3: here eight three three four six eight eight six six' 27 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:08,640 Speaker 3: nine eight three three Got. Tony he's not the so 28 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:11,919 Speaker 3: called secretary Of. Defense he would be the so called 29 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:14,880 Speaker 3: secretary of. War at least that could be seen as somewhat. 30 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:18,840 Speaker 3: Accurate Akim, Jeffries but you're not. Interesting you're not interested 31 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:21,760 Speaker 3: in an honest. Conversation you're interested in an. Assault you're 32 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:25,800 Speaker 3: interested in, Attack you're interestedent. Vilification this is why we hate, 33 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:31,800 Speaker 3: you and it's it's personal because everything about you is. 34 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:36,160 Speaker 3: Personal you can't even begin to address the. Situation if 35 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:39,679 Speaker 3: we're gonna talk About. Venezuela should we be engaged in these? 36 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:43,440 Speaker 3: Attacks are these drug? BOATS i don't lose sleep over 37 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:47,480 Speaker 3: drug boats being, Destroyed but there's a question about whether 38 00:02:47,639 --> 00:02:50,800 Speaker 3: or not this is something we should be engaged in 39 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:53,839 Speaker 3: as we, are or should this as we've discussed right. 40 00:02:53,880 --> 00:02:57,399 Speaker 3: Here far better Than Akim jeffries could ever dream that 41 00:02:57,440 --> 00:02:59,640 Speaker 3: this should be an act of war and it should 42 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:02,320 Speaker 3: be Declared in which, case where the hell Is? Congress 43 00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 3: and if you say to, me All republicans won't do. 44 00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 3: IT i would say to, you that's pretty damn. Cheap 45 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 3: where are The democrats to, say let's go To Claire. 46 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:14,119 Speaker 3: War he's not making that, argument is he? Is, wait let's, 47 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:17,200 Speaker 3: listen is A Keem jeffries making that? Argument and so. 48 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:19,920 Speaker 5: That's why it's going to be a complete and thorough 49 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:24,160 Speaker 5: bipartisan congressional investigation in both The house and The, senate 50 00:03:24,200 --> 00:03:26,400 Speaker 5: so we can uncover the, truth the whole, truth and 51 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:26,880 Speaker 5: nothing but the. 52 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:29,440 Speaker 6: Truth that's what The american people. Deserve why do you 53 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:30,040 Speaker 6: call him. 54 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:30,960 Speaker 2: So called The Defense? 55 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 5: Secretary this is the most Unqualified secretary Of defense In american. 56 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:41,960 Speaker 5: HISTORY i called for him to be terminated several months 57 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:43,600 Speaker 5: ago in the aftermath of. 58 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:44,280 Speaker 6: The Signal gate. 59 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:47,160 Speaker 5: Scandal and there's still some additional information AND i think 60 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:49,760 Speaker 5: will be revealed to The american people as to why 61 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:50,280 Speaker 5: that was so. 62 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:53,839 Speaker 6: Problematic now. 63 00:03:57,480 --> 00:03:58,040 Speaker 2: Allow me. 64 00:04:04,760 --> 00:04:11,400 Speaker 3: The idea That Pete hegseth is. Unqualified that is a 65 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:16,840 Speaker 3: conversation predicated on What he wasn't a part of The 66 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:17,680 Speaker 3: department Of defense. 67 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:20,240 Speaker 2: Before he wasn't a. 68 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:25,360 Speaker 3: General he wasn't somebody Who Hakeim jeffries deemed. Acceptable Lloyd 69 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:29,960 Speaker 3: austin was deemed accessible acceptable By Kakim Jeffries Lloyd, austin 70 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:33,159 Speaker 3: the Former defense secretary Under Joe. 71 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:40,839 Speaker 2: Biden but that guy went a. Wall he went a. 72 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:42,640 Speaker 2: Wall that's what he. 73 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:47,360 Speaker 3: Did he didn't tell his uh, superiors The president of 74 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:50,680 Speaker 3: The United, states the superior that he was gonna have. 75 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:53,000 Speaker 3: Surgery and he's, like, well that's my private. Business the, 76 00:04:53,080 --> 00:04:58,840 Speaker 3: hell it's your private. Business what the surgery is. FOR 77 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:01,279 Speaker 3: i don't even know if that's your that's private. Business 78 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:04,160 Speaker 3: you're the secretary Of. 79 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:07,039 Speaker 2: Defense you're not gonna tell your boss that you're gonna 80 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:08,520 Speaker 2: be having. Surgery you'll be out for a couple of. 81 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:14,000 Speaker 3: Days i'm gonna be told that he. 82 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 2: Is the one who is. Qualified, NO i won't put 83 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:17,760 Speaker 2: up with. 84 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:22,440 Speaker 3: That But i'm not going to sit here and make 85 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:26,480 Speaker 3: a claim That Pete hegseth is perfectly. Qualified he's never 86 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:33,400 Speaker 3: run an organization like, this never once run an organization like. 87 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:37,640 Speaker 3: This that has to be. Discussed that is an acceptable. 88 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:44,600 Speaker 3: CONVERSATION i could say That Sean duffy never ran an 89 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:47,839 Speaker 3: organization like The Transportation. 90 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:51,440 Speaker 2: Department but seems to be doing a very good job of. 91 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:55,520 Speaker 2: It hegseth seems to be doing a very good. 92 00:05:55,640 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 3: Job when it comes to the idea that we need 93 00:05:57,680 --> 00:06:04,520 Speaker 3: a lethal. Force we need a lethal fighting, force and it, 94 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 3: simply quite simply cannot be one that is focused ON 95 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:12,920 Speaker 3: dei or other. Madness he is, correct he is absolutely, 96 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:17,000 Speaker 3: correct AND i applaud on every single, level. 97 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:22,080 Speaker 2: Every, level the push in that. 98 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:30,359 Speaker 3: DIRECTION i will say that it could be, possible if not, 99 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:37,000 Speaker 3: probable that he does not have the experiences in running 100 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:41,200 Speaker 3: this type of organization to make sure that all the 101 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:44,839 Speaker 3: parts know what the other parts are. DOING i could 102 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:48,720 Speaker 3: also attribute that to a growing. Pain there are changes 103 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:52,560 Speaker 3: being made IF i were to trust my, sources AND 104 00:06:52,640 --> 00:06:59,040 Speaker 3: i don't distrust. Them the enlisted they're. Thrilled the officers less. 105 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:04,039 Speaker 3: So well are you are the officers not thrilled Because 106 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:08,800 Speaker 3: hegseth is more of a, hardass or because the job 107 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:14,000 Speaker 3: is not actually getting done and there is a miss 108 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:16,760 Speaker 3: happening when it comes to readiness and when it comes 109 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 3: to the future of the. 110 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:19,800 Speaker 2: NATION i don't have an answer for. 111 00:07:19,880 --> 00:07:24,280 Speaker 3: That it is possible for different people in the ranks 112 00:07:24,320 --> 00:07:30,760 Speaker 3: to see the secretary. DIFFERENTLY i see this push towards 113 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:35,040 Speaker 3: readiness as something of, value something of, importance something of. 114 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:39,920 Speaker 3: Necessity the elimination of for, EXAMPLE dei and publicly, stating 115 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:45,520 Speaker 3: SO i would attribute the rise in those people enlisting 116 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:59,200 Speaker 3: in the military To Pete hegseth one thousands percent To Pete. 117 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:01,400 Speaker 3: Hegseth now you say to, me you mean To Donald. 118 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:04,040 Speaker 3: Trump the work had to get, done and he was 119 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:05,480 Speaker 3: the guy doing the. Work SO i gave it To 120 00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:10,120 Speaker 3: haggseeth on this. One if you tell me that more 121 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:14,520 Speaker 3: of the officer class are, bothered well maybe they've got 122 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:18,200 Speaker 3: more work to, do or maybe indeed some things are 123 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:22,640 Speaker 3: falling through the. Cracks BUT i think one interesting test 124 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:25,280 Speaker 3: of the leadership is what's going on off the coast 125 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:30,760 Speaker 3: Of venezuela and The caribbean and the attacking of these drug. 126 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:33,400 Speaker 3: Boats i'll say it, AGAIN i don't have an issue with. 127 00:08:33,480 --> 00:08:37,000 Speaker 3: This i'm not going to sit here and pretend that 128 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:38,760 Speaker 3: we don't have the data on these drug. 129 00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:43,080 Speaker 2: BOATS i, say if the If. 130 00:08:42,920 --> 00:08:46,439 Speaker 3: Congress wanted to have more control of, this If congress 131 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:49,120 Speaker 3: wanted to be the ones who were more in the 132 00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:53,320 Speaker 3: place of deciding and asking, questions let them go ask and, say, 133 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:55,720 Speaker 3: hey you want to have a war With, venezuela that's 134 00:08:55,760 --> 00:08:56,160 Speaker 3: cool by. 135 00:08:56,240 --> 00:08:58,360 Speaker 2: Us but you're gonna have to declare. It and to do, 136 00:08:58,400 --> 00:08:59,200 Speaker 2: that you're gonna. 137 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:01,079 Speaker 3: Have to come to us to declared, war because only. 138 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:06,240 Speaker 2: We could declare. War where is that moment from A Keem. 139 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:12,200 Speaker 3: Jeffries where is A Keem jeffries making the statement we 140 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 3: have to declare. War so IF i asked that question 141 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:19,439 Speaker 3: about the political, right it, is, well they don't want 142 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:20,839 Speaker 3: to get on the bad side Of trump because they're 143 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:25,040 Speaker 3: just gonna leave it. Be, maybe BUT i found that 144 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:31,200 Speaker 3: people who are elected and, have you, know constitutional, responsibilities 145 00:09:31,679 --> 00:09:35,680 Speaker 3: they like their constitutional. Responsibilities that's kind of what the 146 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 3: job is there. For it's like When trump got elected and, 147 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:41,480 Speaker 3: oh you just need to approve every member of his, 148 00:09:41,559 --> 00:09:46,160 Speaker 3: cabinet and The senator was, like we're THE Us, senate advise. 149 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:48,840 Speaker 2: It consent is a real, thing and you know, what 150 00:09:48,880 --> 00:09:49,480 Speaker 2: we're gonna. 151 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:52,360 Speaker 3: Ask, Questions we're going to go through. It this is our. 152 00:09:52,520 --> 00:09:54,920 Speaker 3: Job we don't care who the president. Is you don't 153 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:56,679 Speaker 3: get to tell us not to do our. Job and 154 00:09:56,720 --> 00:09:58,760 Speaker 3: people got, angry And trump tried to push in The 155 00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:03,080 Speaker 3: senateublicans in the center are, like settle, down and what 156 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:07,319 Speaker 3: do you think? Happened SO I republicans in The house said, 157 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:09,679 Speaker 3: hey you got to come to us and make the 158 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:13,440 Speaker 3: case Regarding. Venezuela they, could they're more than within their 159 00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:16,680 Speaker 3: rights and they could do. It but y'a argue you 160 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:22,080 Speaker 3: are the political. Right they're just simping For. Trump, gosh 161 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:23,959 Speaker 3: what word DO i dislike more than? 162 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:25,640 Speaker 2: SIMPING i don't. 163 00:10:25,679 --> 00:10:29,719 Speaker 3: KNOW i don't know if There if there, IS i 164 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:31,600 Speaker 3: DON'T i do not know if there is a WORD 165 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:33,200 Speaker 3: i like? 166 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:36,040 Speaker 2: Less which word DO i like less than than? SIMPING 167 00:10:36,080 --> 00:10:40,240 Speaker 2: i guess is is? It? Well The democrats can. 168 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:42,320 Speaker 3: Say, hey we demand that you come to us and 169 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:44,480 Speaker 3: ask for a declaration of, war but they're not doing 170 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:50,080 Speaker 3: that because they would rather complain about. It they would 171 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:54,360 Speaker 3: rather complain about what is. Happening so you could have 172 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 3: a situation in both cases where you don't have anybody, saying, 173 00:10:59,679 --> 00:11:02,280 Speaker 3: hey we have a congressional responsibility here. 174 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:04,960 Speaker 2: Because politically it's better for. 175 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:09,200 Speaker 3: Us if that's the way they want to play, it 176 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:10,800 Speaker 3: THEN i can't argue that He. 177 00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:13,800 Speaker 2: Seth Nor President trump are doing anything. WRONG i MEAN i. 178 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:16,400 Speaker 2: CAN i can state so in a moral, case BUT 179 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:17,320 Speaker 2: i can't state. 180 00:11:17,160 --> 00:11:21,720 Speaker 3: So in terms of the executive. Brands the commander in 181 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:24,360 Speaker 3: chief going about what he thinks is necessary to keep 182 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:24,800 Speaker 3: the country. 183 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:25,160 Speaker 2: Safe. 184 00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:38,000 Speaker 3: Can't so what does any of this have to do 185 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:44,800 Speaker 3: with whether or Not Pete hegseth is up to the. 186 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:52,040 Speaker 3: Task the desperation to smear him because the answer is, attack, attack, attack, 187 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:56,920 Speaker 3: Attack Not, hey how do we have a Better department Of? 188 00:11:56,960 --> 00:11:59,680 Speaker 3: Defense not, hey how do we have a better? Country 189 00:11:59,720 --> 00:12:04,720 Speaker 3: none of, That none of that is the story. Here, 190 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:13,920 Speaker 3: rather the story is how do we politically destroy can't 191 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:16,960 Speaker 3: run a country this? Way so When i'm asked whether 192 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:19,040 Speaker 3: or Not hegg set this up to the, task Answers 193 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:21,720 Speaker 3: i'm not one hundred percent, sure because there is no 194 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:25,280 Speaker 3: trusting The Democratic party regarding what they're seeing as a, 195 00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:29,680 Speaker 3: result and right Now i'm not so sure The Republican 196 00:12:29,720 --> 00:12:35,440 Speaker 3: party would, say, hey we've got a problem. Here what 197 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:39,959 Speaker 3: DO i hear from from? Others it isn't as good 198 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:43,280 Speaker 3: as it could. BE i believe that about THE, Fbi 199 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:45,320 Speaker 3: by the, WAY i believe that about THE. DOJ i 200 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:49,400 Speaker 3: don't believe that About health And Human. SERVICES i don't 201 00:12:49,400 --> 00:12:51,880 Speaker 3: believe that ABOUT. HUD i don't believe that about. TRANSPORTATION 202 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:54,319 Speaker 3: i don't believe that about The. INTERIOR i don't believe 203 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:56,920 Speaker 3: that about. ENERGY i don't believe that about labor even 204 00:12:57,200 --> 00:13:01,679 Speaker 3: And i'm no fan Of Lori chavez de rem Certainly 205 00:13:01,720 --> 00:13:10,520 Speaker 3: secretary Of, state that office is, humming, humming these other 206 00:13:10,559 --> 00:13:14,280 Speaker 3: offices not so. Much that's What i'm. Hearing and when 207 00:13:14,280 --> 00:13:17,240 Speaker 3: it comes to THE, doj that's what we're. Seeing SO 208 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:22,840 Speaker 3: k to, say To, ky to note and to. Notice 209 00:13:23,080 --> 00:13:26,040 Speaker 3: but If democrats only want to go for the smear 210 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:29,120 Speaker 3: and go for the attack and engage the same vitriol 211 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:33,960 Speaker 3: of hexeth from day one as, now then nothing about 212 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:35,199 Speaker 3: their modus operandi has. 213 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:38,720 Speaker 2: Changed and why would anybody listen to? 214 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:43,160 Speaker 3: Them and when it Came jeffries, says so Called secretary Of, 215 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:46,320 Speaker 3: defense it's just because he's a weak. Guy he's a, 216 00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:50,520 Speaker 3: child he's not a, man he's not capable of. Leadership 217 00:13:51,720 --> 00:13:56,360 Speaker 3: this is a playground name calling bull, crap and there's 218 00:13:56,360 --> 00:13:57,160 Speaker 3: no place for. 219 00:13:57,240 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 2: It the stakes are too. 220 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:05,040 Speaker 3: Great you got a, problem you gotta say, so you're 221 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:06,439 Speaker 3: such a, Coward Hakeem. 222 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:10,840 Speaker 2: Jeffries what do they call? Him Timu. Baraq it's so, 223 00:14:10,920 --> 00:14:14,000 Speaker 2: good it's so it's so. 224 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:20,400 Speaker 3: Good you can't even, Say congress declares. 225 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:21,480 Speaker 2: War and we demand that you come to. 226 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:24,600 Speaker 3: Us you won't even stand up For congress because you're 227 00:14:24,760 --> 00:14:27,720 Speaker 3: such a child you would rather name call than do 228 00:14:27,840 --> 00:14:35,120 Speaker 3: the hard. Work seg seth up to the. Task on some, things, 229 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:36,240 Speaker 3: yes and maybe on some. 230 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:40,120 Speaker 2: Things, now is everything going well In? 231 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:45,960 Speaker 3: Venezuela, well IF i hear about ground troops In, Venezuela 232 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:47,359 Speaker 3: i'm gonna have words. 233 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:49,760 Speaker 2: As for the drug. 234 00:14:49,800 --> 00:14:55,440 Speaker 3: Boats If congress isn't going to, act, well the people can. 235 00:14:55,560 --> 00:14:57,360 Speaker 2: Rally but If. 236 00:14:57,280 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 3: Congress isn't gonna, ACT i don't see how the president 237 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:04,600 Speaker 3: would do anything except exactly what he's already. Doing I'm Tony. 238 00:15:04,680 --> 00:15:07,960 Speaker 3: Katz this Is Tony katz. Today so the move now 239 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:13,840 Speaker 3: from The Republican party is to add a citizenship question 240 00:15:13,880 --> 00:15:14,720 Speaker 3: to the twenty thirty. 241 00:15:14,760 --> 00:15:17,560 Speaker 2: Census Tony, Katz Tony kats. Today what are you? Doing 242 00:15:17,640 --> 00:15:19,200 Speaker 2: everybody good to be with? 243 00:15:19,280 --> 00:15:23,560 Speaker 3: You find everything At Tony katz dot, com YouTube dot, com, 244 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:25,680 Speaker 3: Slash tony kats live streaming as we. 245 00:15:25,720 --> 00:15:28,640 Speaker 2: Speak first person here gets a cookie hold on? This 246 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:32,120 Speaker 2: just in where are cookies so? 247 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:36,600 Speaker 3: Close houseover sit And Accountability committee approving a bill that 248 00:15:36,640 --> 00:15:41,160 Speaker 3: would add a question about citizenship to the. Census the 249 00:15:41,200 --> 00:15:43,920 Speaker 3: measure cleared on a twenty to nineteen party line. Vote 250 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:50,080 Speaker 3: why wouldn't you ask about? Citizenship the only reason not 251 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:53,120 Speaker 3: to ask about citizenship is because you're okay with non 252 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:53,960 Speaker 3: citizens being. 253 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:54,840 Speaker 2: Counted, now this. 254 00:15:54,800 --> 00:16:01,760 Speaker 3: Goes to the idea of all, persons, right the Fourteenth 255 00:16:01,760 --> 00:16:05,560 Speaker 3: amendment and all. Persons hold, on let's, see let's see 256 00:16:05,560 --> 00:16:09,400 Speaker 3: it's the Fourteen. Amendment, right let's double check ourselves, here 257 00:16:09,480 --> 00:16:10,280 Speaker 3: make sure we've got this. 258 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:17,480 Speaker 2: Right hold? On where is? It where is? It where is? 259 00:16:17,520 --> 00:16:21,000 Speaker 3: It, yes representatives shall be a portioned among the several 260 00:16:21,040 --> 00:16:24,000 Speaker 3: states according to their respective, numbers counting the whole number 261 00:16:24,040 --> 00:16:26,760 Speaker 3: of persons in each, state Excluding indians not. 262 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:29,800 Speaker 2: Taxed so it's this idea of who are. 263 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:32,760 Speaker 3: You, counting and whether or not you're Counting american citizens 264 00:16:32,880 --> 00:16:36,800 Speaker 3: or all, citizens and whether or not the idea of 265 00:16:36,920 --> 00:16:41,280 Speaker 3: whole number of persons in each state would by definition 266 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:46,320 Speaker 3: refer To americans or subjects to the jurisdiction. 267 00:16:46,480 --> 00:16:50,160 Speaker 2: THEREOF i. 268 00:16:52,440 --> 00:16:55,840 Speaker 3: Want the arguments, HERE i want the fight here on 269 00:16:55,880 --> 00:16:57,200 Speaker 3: this BECAUSE i want. 270 00:16:57,000 --> 00:16:57,280 Speaker 2: To get the. 271 00:16:57,400 --> 00:17:02,600 Speaker 3: Settled if you are a believer that it should count 272 00:17:02,680 --> 00:17:06,440 Speaker 3: for more than Just american, citizens you're a believer that 273 00:17:06,480 --> 00:17:11,800 Speaker 3: representation is not For american. Citizens even if you were to, 274 00:17:11,840 --> 00:17:14,360 Speaker 3: agree even if you were to believe that whole persons 275 00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:19,280 Speaker 3: means all, people regardless of. Citizenship you're a believer that 276 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:23,600 Speaker 3: non citizens should have an equal say in representation as, 277 00:17:23,680 --> 00:17:25,720 Speaker 3: citizens and that screwed. 278 00:17:25,840 --> 00:17:31,160 Speaker 2: Up so, NO i do not mind the question being. 279 00:17:31,240 --> 00:17:33,760 Speaker 3: Asked what if you asked a question just to get the, 280 00:17:33,800 --> 00:17:38,360 Speaker 3: answer it's wrong to ask the. QUESTION i think it's 281 00:17:38,400 --> 00:17:41,199 Speaker 3: wrong to id me to get. Suitifaed but what CAN i? 282 00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:46,560 Speaker 3: Say i'm just An american with a. Cold the idea 283 00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:48,080 Speaker 3: that we need to be id, well you know you 284 00:17:48,119 --> 00:17:50,600 Speaker 3: can make drugs out of. That have you gone to the. 285 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:56,719 Speaker 3: Internet you can make drugs out of. ANYTHING i just 286 00:17:56,840 --> 00:18:00,520 Speaker 3: want to feel. BETTER i just want the head congestion to. 287 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:04,040 Speaker 3: Stop SO i like the move. 288 00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:09,400 Speaker 2: HERE i. DO i don't have an argument. 289 00:18:10,040 --> 00:18:18,200 Speaker 3: Against justices have ruled that asking about citizenship is, Legal 290 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:22,480 Speaker 3: but when it was a prior, census it was an 291 00:18:22,520 --> 00:18:27,760 Speaker 3: issue of How trump tried to rush it into this 292 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:31,560 Speaker 3: census as a question that it doesn't seem to be 293 00:18:31,600 --> 00:18:35,119 Speaker 3: the case as they're getting started early and see things like, 294 00:18:35,160 --> 00:18:40,480 Speaker 3: This things like this is exactly Why republicans need to 295 00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:41,920 Speaker 3: win the midterms in twenty twenty. 296 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:44,600 Speaker 2: Six something that we have been discussing for. 297 00:18:44,520 --> 00:18:47,600 Speaker 3: A while, now and, NO i am not seeing Enough 298 00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:53,000 Speaker 3: republican movement to. It that, said we had a special 299 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:56,840 Speaker 3: election In tennessee last night and The republican was victorious 300 00:18:56,880 --> 00:18:57,760 Speaker 3: and won by nine. 301 00:18:57,760 --> 00:18:58,800 Speaker 2: Points and what. 302 00:18:58,840 --> 00:19:01,119 Speaker 3: The left will tell you as, well this is a 303 00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:03,879 Speaker 3: District trump won by twenty two. Points bad news For. 304 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:10,760 Speaker 3: Republicans there's a lot to unpack. HERE i don't believe 305 00:19:10,800 --> 00:19:13,680 Speaker 3: it was bad news For, republicans BUT i do believe 306 00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:17,879 Speaker 3: That republicans have a problem something they have not been 307 00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:19,159 Speaker 3: addressing that we. 308 00:19:19,359 --> 00:19:22,639 Speaker 2: Have that The trump brand is different than The republican. 309 00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:26,600 Speaker 3: Brand and These marxists are not going to, Quit they're 310 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:27,159 Speaker 3: just going to. 311 00:19:27,240 --> 00:19:29,480 Speaker 2: Multiply keep it. Here this Is Tony katz. 312 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:38,760 Speaker 3: Today Noah rothman joins me right now From National review dot. 313 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:42,440 Speaker 2: Com he has written about this about He Pete. 314 00:19:42,440 --> 00:19:46,560 Speaker 3: Hegseth hegseth feels the heat is his latest peace over. 315 00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:47,520 Speaker 2: There and. 316 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:55,040 Speaker 3: As a guy who certainly follows military operations the, GEOPOLITICS 317 00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:57,320 Speaker 3: i don't think this is the first time we've seen 318 00:19:57,400 --> 00:19:59,840 Speaker 3: THE us military come back and make sure that it's 319 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:03,679 Speaker 3: target is. Destroyed when you first read the story versus, 320 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:07,040 Speaker 3: now as you may understand the, story how did you 321 00:20:07,119 --> 00:20:07,760 Speaker 3: proceed through? 322 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:10,040 Speaker 6: It that's a great way to start. 323 00:20:10,040 --> 00:20:14,719 Speaker 7: This so agreeted The Washington post story with, skepticism not 324 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:18,679 Speaker 7: because in part because everybody was playing very much to 325 00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:22,000 Speaker 7: type in a scene chewing, fashion and if your priors 326 00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:25,159 Speaker 7: are being confirmed like, that your skepticism should be. Raised 327 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:28,720 Speaker 7: my second point of skepticism was the degree to which 328 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:31,840 Speaker 7: The secretary Of Defense wore whatever you want to call, 329 00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:36,000 Speaker 7: him was taking an operational approach at the very granular 330 00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:38,800 Speaker 7: level to this, mission which would be very out of 331 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:43,199 Speaker 7: keeping with how The Defense secretary manages. Things The New 332 00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:45,920 Speaker 7: York times story which, subsequently as you, said called into 333 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:48,560 Speaker 7: question in my, view of the least important detail of the, 334 00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:51,720 Speaker 7: story which Was Hippie haig says saying gil now and 335 00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:55,679 Speaker 7: one seeing them their viscera displayed all over the. Ocean 336 00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:58,760 Speaker 7: that really doesn't matter in a legal. Context does matter 337 00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:03,440 Speaker 7: whether the present where The secretary's orders were, executed as 338 00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:08,600 Speaker 7: The secretary says By Admiral Mitch, bradley who seems to 339 00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:10,720 Speaker 7: be being thrown under the bus here in ways THAT 340 00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:15,679 Speaker 7: i think probably produced some consternation inside The, pentagon was 341 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:19,560 Speaker 7: the target these, survivors was the target the boat that, 342 00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:24,240 Speaker 7: matters the degree to which cabinet level officials gave these 343 00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:25,919 Speaker 7: orders and their. 344 00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:26,800 Speaker 6: Subordinates acted on. 345 00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:30,520 Speaker 7: Them all this stuff is really, live and you know 346 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:34,679 Speaker 7: Teg seth was at this cabinet meeting yesterday, saying we 347 00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:37,080 Speaker 7: have all this, information we have all this targeting, detail 348 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:37,639 Speaker 7: we have all this. 349 00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:38,920 Speaker 6: Intelligence we know what we're. 350 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:43,800 Speaker 7: Doing so give that information to lawmakers in a classified. 351 00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:44,800 Speaker 6: Setting they need. 352 00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:47,800 Speaker 7: It there's no congressional buy in for this campaign such 353 00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:51,040 Speaker 7: as it. Is there's a lot of prospects for things 354 00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:55,120 Speaker 7: to go wrong if the targeting list, expands and some 355 00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:56,080 Speaker 7: even more disturbing. 356 00:21:56,119 --> 00:21:58,080 Speaker 6: Details this strike occurred In september. 357 00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:01,760 Speaker 7: Second in the months, following there have been subsequent, strikes 358 00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:05,080 Speaker 7: one on another boat where there were. Survivors those survivors 359 00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:10,760 Speaker 7: were interdicted and repatriated to their countries of, origin suggesting 360 00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:12,639 Speaker 7: that there was not enough evidence even to hold them 361 00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:17,800 Speaker 7: in a military tribunal OR gitmo for, example in the 362 00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:21,600 Speaker 7: absence of probable. Cause and we had the resignation in 363 00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:26,879 Speaker 7: Early october Of Admiral Adam, halsley who was overseeing so 364 00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:31,280 Speaker 7: Calm Southern. Command and we don't know the reasons why he, 365 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:34,679 Speaker 7: resigned but they came at a very conspicuous moment at 366 00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:36,240 Speaker 7: the time when this operation is ramping. 367 00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:37,719 Speaker 6: Up so there is a lot of smoke. 368 00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:39,960 Speaker 7: Here and just because The Washington post got one detail, 369 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:42,840 Speaker 7: WRONG i find that to be while, amusing and it 370 00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:46,600 Speaker 7: confirms my skepticism of that, story it doesn't get at 371 00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:48,720 Speaker 7: the larger. Details and the larger, details as you, say 372 00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:51,200 Speaker 7: are as profound as war and peace on a very 373 00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:52,240 Speaker 7: broad strategic. 374 00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:56,240 Speaker 3: SCALE i have made the argument THAT i have no 375 00:22:56,359 --> 00:22:58,320 Speaker 3: issue with the taking out of the drug. 376 00:22:58,359 --> 00:22:59,600 Speaker 2: Boats we might disagree about. 377 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:03,480 Speaker 3: THAT i would have a hard time believing, that and 378 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:06,040 Speaker 3: certainly would would find myself with a sense of dismay 379 00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:09,800 Speaker 3: that we're just randomly shooting at boats because it's good 380 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:13,119 Speaker 3: optics and we don't have some level of intelligence that 381 00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:17,200 Speaker 3: indeed these are boats bringing drugs to The United. States 382 00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:20,359 Speaker 3: but While i've Heard Senator Ran paul speak about this 383 00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:24,800 Speaker 3: and others engage in a little bit of, puffery If 384 00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:27,600 Speaker 3: congress wants to do something about, this their job is to, say, 385 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:31,280 Speaker 3: whoa WHOA. Whoa eleven, warships fifteen thousand. Troops you're engaging 386 00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:34,520 Speaker 3: in an active war On. Venezuela that's our. Department you 387 00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:36,320 Speaker 3: have to come to us and ask us to declare, 388 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:39,119 Speaker 3: war and we demand that you do. SO i haven't 389 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:41,000 Speaker 3: seen that From. Congress. 390 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:44,000 Speaker 7: Yeah, well we have a very Supine congress right, now 391 00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:47,800 Speaker 7: but we won't have one. Forever this administration has been 392 00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:51,239 Speaker 7: rather contemptuous Toward. Congress members Of congress will freely say as, 393 00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:55,800 Speaker 7: much including The president's. Allies but as special election results 394 00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:58,600 Speaker 7: this year, Suggest republicans are staring down the prospect of 395 00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:01,159 Speaker 7: losing one or both chambers in twenty twenty, six and 396 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:05,720 Speaker 7: The president should rather that this information that he's safeguarding 397 00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:08,560 Speaker 7: now with relation to the targets that he's, striking or 398 00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:10,480 Speaker 7: the rationale for those campaign in the first, place you 399 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:12,720 Speaker 7: should hope that information comes out on his terms and 400 00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:14,440 Speaker 7: not The democratic, parties because it will come. 401 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:21,480 Speaker 3: Out talking To Noah rothman Of National, REVIEW. 402 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:25,879 Speaker 2: I move it over to this conversation. 403 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:27,560 Speaker 6: Before we depart From. 404 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:29,480 Speaker 7: Venezuela can we talk a little bit about the strategy 405 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:30,720 Speaker 7: THAT i think the administration is. 406 00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:32,520 Speaker 6: Pursuing oh, gosh, yeah go right. 407 00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:35,199 Speaker 2: AHEAD i thought you were coming to a close on. 408 00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:35,680 Speaker 2: THAT i don't. 409 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:37,520 Speaker 7: KNOW i, mean first of, all my problem with the 410 00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:41,000 Speaker 7: drug boat strikes is that they're. Illegal point planking so, Well, 411 00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:44,200 Speaker 7: yeah because we define In american statute a very big 412 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:49,760 Speaker 7: distinction between terrorism and narcotics. Trafficking making a portmanteau of 413 00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:53,800 Speaker 7: those words narco terrorism does not magically convey legal legitimacy 414 00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:57,000 Speaker 7: to this. Campaign congress has to authorize. It there's no 415 00:24:57,119 --> 00:24:59,040 Speaker 7: reading of the two thousand and One post nine to 416 00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:02,000 Speaker 7: ELEVEN authori for the use of Military force against terrorist 417 00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:05,960 Speaker 7: operatives linked To Al qaeda that gets you To Latin. 418 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:09,760 Speaker 7: America there's no good faith reading of the statute. There 419 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:12,760 Speaker 7: and we should want to enforce the law qua law 420 00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:15,080 Speaker 7: by virtue of the rule of law in this country 421 00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:17,560 Speaker 7: because it benefits the party out of power as much 422 00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:22,000 Speaker 7: as the party in Power. Democrats, oh every administration builds 423 00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:24,440 Speaker 7: in the precedents that they're, bequeathed AND i don't think 424 00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:26,479 Speaker 7: we would want to See democrats engage in this kind 425 00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:31,240 Speaker 7: of a very cagey foreign policy that completely cuts out 426 00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:36,960 Speaker 7: the lawmaking institution in this. COUNTRY i utterly, opaque AND 427 00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:39,160 Speaker 7: i listen if the argument. 428 00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:43,000 Speaker 3: Is is that The house and The senate are going to 429 00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:45,160 Speaker 3: do whatever it Is trump, wants so they're not going 430 00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:48,080 Speaker 3: to push back against it because the relationship is. Contentious, 431 00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:52,480 Speaker 3: well it's already in. Contention it's already an. Issue let's 432 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:54,639 Speaker 3: just go continue making it an. ISSUE i find it 433 00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:58,040 Speaker 3: sometimes strange to think That congress won't engage in the 434 00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:01,919 Speaker 3: process that is solely. There saw The senate say To 435 00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:03,879 Speaker 3: President trump when he got into office for the second, 436 00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:06,560 Speaker 3: Term we're going to confirm everybody the way we see, 437 00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:09,040 Speaker 3: fit confirming, them not the way you. Do Because senate 438 00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:11,359 Speaker 3: confirmation is part of a centater's, job and you're not 439 00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:14,320 Speaker 3: taking my job from. Me it would seem weird that 440 00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:16,840 Speaker 3: they would not be willing to do their job, here 441 00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:20,480 Speaker 3: considering a declaration of war is the top. 442 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:22,760 Speaker 7: Job, yeah they don't want to do their job on 443 00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:25,000 Speaker 7: a range of, fronts to say nothing of this. One 444 00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:27,960 Speaker 7: but it's in the president's, interest not much Less Congresses 445 00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:31,040 Speaker 7: president's interest to get a buy in From congress and 446 00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:34,520 Speaker 7: make them stakeholders of what could be coming if this 447 00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:38,640 Speaker 7: deadline passes and the president authorizes strikes on regime. Targets 448 00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:40,920 Speaker 7: we don't know the scale of that operation could be quite, 449 00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:44,000 Speaker 7: broad and things go. Wrong in a kinetic, operation nothing 450 00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:46,640 Speaker 7: goes according to plan upon first contact with the, enemy 451 00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:48,639 Speaker 7: and the enemy gets a, Vote so you will have 452 00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:52,840 Speaker 7: a chaotic. Operation but what is the president's strategic goal? 453 00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:54,680 Speaker 7: Here it's very hard to. TELL a lot of people 454 00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:58,240 Speaker 7: are freelancing. Rationales the one THAT i think is most 455 00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:02,280 Speaker 7: compelling to me is one THAT i actually am very favorable, 456 00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:05,399 Speaker 7: towards because The maduro regime and The chavez regime that 457 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:10,000 Speaker 7: succeeded are absolute menaces Anti american forces in the region 458 00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:12,840 Speaker 7: that are produce endless headaches FOR us and jeopardize our national. 459 00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:15,800 Speaker 6: Security so the goal to get is a regime. 460 00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:19,320 Speaker 7: Change, operation and the regime change would produce a more 461 00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:23,040 Speaker 7: stable social covenant In, venezuelas which would not be forcing 462 00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:25,800 Speaker 7: out refugees into the triangle In Latin america and ultimately 463 00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:28,840 Speaker 7: to The United. States it would also eject an Anti 464 00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:32,080 Speaker 7: american regime from the, region which would help Starve cuba 465 00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:34,760 Speaker 7: draws a lot of money From venezuela And venezuela oil 466 00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:37,200 Speaker 7: sales help starve The cuban, regime which is another thorn 467 00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:39,680 Speaker 7: on our. Side deprive The chinese and The russians of 468 00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:43,240 Speaker 7: a foothold in the, region and make the world safe for. Democracy, 469 00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:45,159 Speaker 7: now that's the sort of THING i can get. Behind 470 00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:50,000 Speaker 7: but the, administration which has argued it's this presidency from the, 471 00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:53,639 Speaker 7: outset starting in twenty, fifteen has argued fundamentally that regime 472 00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:57,199 Speaker 7: change operations designed to secure more stable social covenants elsewhere 473 00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:59,360 Speaker 7: in the world are stupid wastes of time and nation 474 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:02,640 Speaker 7: building doesn't. Work so how are they going to articulate 475 00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:06,119 Speaker 7: that rationale for this, campaign even if it is the 476 00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:10,199 Speaker 7: one that prevails in this administration when it so contradicts 477 00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:12,919 Speaker 7: the political narrative that The trump administration has established for. 478 00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:17,119 Speaker 3: Itself and so we're, Clear Nicholas maduro did steal the. 479 00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:20,120 Speaker 3: Election he stole it. Twice the world would be better 480 00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:23,000 Speaker 3: off without, Him and, yes us having a better relationship 481 00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:25,760 Speaker 3: and a real relationship with a Friendly. Venezuela would that 482 00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:28,960 Speaker 3: would do wonders in Keeping china And russia. Bay talking 483 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:32,480 Speaker 3: To Noah rothman Of National Review National review. 484 00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:35,359 Speaker 2: Dot, COM i now move it over for the sake of, 485 00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:36,040 Speaker 2: time BECAUSE i. 486 00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:39,080 Speaker 3: Can i'll dig deeper gladly at another, TIME i move 487 00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:44,440 Speaker 3: over to this conversation About, somalia this welfare, scandal the 488 00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:48,400 Speaker 3: billion plus stolen from the People, minnesota from The american 489 00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:51,600 Speaker 3: people based on THESE covid, schemes and, saying, oh we're 490 00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:54,080 Speaker 3: a group Called feeding The future saying we're feeding eighteen 491 00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:54,840 Speaker 3: thousand children a. 492 00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:55,680 Speaker 2: Day they're not feeding. 493 00:28:55,720 --> 00:29:00,320 Speaker 3: Anybody this has led To President trump saying we're going 494 00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:02,960 Speaker 3: to take get rid of the temporary protective status for 495 00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:06,240 Speaker 3: The somalis and they have to. Go your, arguments IF 496 00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:11,280 Speaker 3: i understand you, correctly is that the going after the 497 00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:15,120 Speaker 3: people who engaged in the fraud Proper the idea of 498 00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:17,120 Speaker 3: the broad brush a serious. 499 00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:18,360 Speaker 2: Issue oh. 500 00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:23,240 Speaker 7: Yeah so there are two ways to evaluate this. Story 501 00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:26,360 Speaker 7: of the first is that there has been a welcome 502 00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:30,160 Speaker 7: discovery on the part of the national press of something 503 00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:34,280 Speaker 7: that people in conservatives In minnesota have been complaining about for. 504 00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:38,520 Speaker 7: DECADES a lot of this work is built On Scott johnson's, 505 00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:41,440 Speaker 7: work who's been writing for conservative outlets for twenty years 506 00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:45,120 Speaker 7: about the scams that were being executed. Here and they 507 00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:48,280 Speaker 7: only just ramped up AFTER. Covid for the last five 508 00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:50,760 Speaker 7: years only about two of which two and a half 509 00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:53,640 Speaker 7: of most could be described as pandemic. Years over a 510 00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:57,160 Speaker 7: billion dollars of taxpayer funds were absorbed by these false 511 00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:01,080 Speaker 7: charities done not just food, either the notion that they 512 00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:04,160 Speaker 7: were providing meals that they, weren't but autism, support which 513 00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:08,000 Speaker 7: has been abused by many more people Than samli immigrants 514 00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:10,960 Speaker 7: and is arguably responsible for the explosion of non severe 515 00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:14,840 Speaker 7: autism cases read by the way e. G debatable spectrum, 516 00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:20,040 Speaker 7: cases which account for the entirety of the increased diagnosis in. 517 00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:25,280 Speaker 7: Autism so we're creating financial incentives in order to distort 518 00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:28,320 Speaker 7: our picture of the medical outlook in this. Country this 519 00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:30,560 Speaker 7: has been a problem for a very long, time and 520 00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:34,200 Speaker 7: it's valuable that we've Seen democrats and press outlets jump 521 00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:36,000 Speaker 7: on this thing now that they no longer have to run. 522 00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:40,040 Speaker 7: Block for people Like Tim waltz Or Joe biden to 523 00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:43,120 Speaker 7: expose this sort of thing would be politically inconvenient now 524 00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:48,160 Speaker 7: that they're, gone those obstacles have fallen. AWAY i am, discomfited, 525 00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:52,560 Speaker 7: however by a lot of The republican, talk including The 526 00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:56,240 Speaker 7: president who repeatedly yesterday called these people. GARBAGE i, Mean 527 00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:59,320 Speaker 7: i'm not even just making up the. Quotes the quotes 528 00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:04,280 Speaker 7: are really quite, repulsive talking about the whole breadth Of 529 00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:07,880 Speaker 7: somali society as individuals who are, garbage people who are 530 00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:12,280 Speaker 7: culturally disinclined to acclimate into The american. EXPERIMENT i think 531 00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:16,160 Speaker 7: that's fundamentally. FALSE i think the notion that this country 532 00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:19,600 Speaker 7: can absorb and assimilate anybody from any part of the 533 00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:21,640 Speaker 7: world as long as they buy into The american creed 534 00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:25,560 Speaker 7: is fundamental and also observable across the swath of two 535 00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:29,280 Speaker 7: hundred and fifty years Of american. History the notion that 536 00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:32,720 Speaker 7: a certain type of people who maybe have a different 537 00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:36,520 Speaker 7: religion and are criminally inclined or should not be incorporated 538 00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:38,560 Speaker 7: into The american. Ethos and it's the same thing that 539 00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:40,480 Speaker 7: people said about The italians in nineteen twenty. 540 00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:42,640 Speaker 6: Four, yeah nineteen twenty. 541 00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:46,560 Speaker 7: Four The Minnesota scandinavian, model as they say, it is 542 00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:49,280 Speaker 7: a system that just simply cannot. 543 00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:50,480 Speaker 6: Work with open. 544 00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:53,880 Speaker 7: Borders The scandinavian model doesn't work with open, borders and 545 00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:56,840 Speaker 7: a lot Of scandinavian, countries With sweden being the, EXCEPTION i, 546 00:31:56,880 --> 00:32:01,200 Speaker 7: think observe. That but the PROBLEM i think is the 547 00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:03,400 Speaker 7: foremost one In minnesota is that it is run By 548 00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:07,120 Speaker 7: democrats who no longer believe in the assimilation engine in this. 549 00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:11,040 Speaker 7: Country assimilation works when you have environmental, Inducements when you 550 00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:15,080 Speaker 7: can't navigate society outside your ethnic enclave without Learning, english 551 00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:19,600 Speaker 7: without understanding some cultural, precepts shared cultural. Precepts multiculturalism goes 552 00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:21,719 Speaker 7: to war with that, notion and that has been the 553 00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:25,080 Speaker 7: abiding philosophy of The democratic left for the last thirty 554 00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:28,560 Speaker 7: years in this. Country multiculturalism assumes there's nothing worth assimilating. 555 00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:30,800 Speaker 7: INTO i think a lot of people would agree with 556 00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:33,360 Speaker 7: that on the, left That america doesn't have a culture 557 00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:34,800 Speaker 7: that's worth assimilating. 558 00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:36,640 Speaker 6: What they've, taught, right certainly what they've. 559 00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:40,520 Speaker 7: Taught so you have a system of very robust, benefits 560 00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:44,280 Speaker 7: low social, trust and the removal of all inducements to. 561 00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:47,120 Speaker 7: Assimilate that's how you get the left bank Of asan In, 562 00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:50,400 Speaker 7: paris with these ghettos where that are just no go. 563 00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:53,160 Speaker 7: Zones air is a menace if you happen to wander into. 564 00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:55,880 Speaker 7: Them that's how you get the condition that we're in. 565 00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:58,360 Speaker 7: Now SO i think the rights reaction to, say, well 566 00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:01,640 Speaker 7: these people are just disinclined to integrate with The. 567 00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:04,000 Speaker 6: United, STATES i think that's. FALSE i think it's first. 568 00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:07,120 Speaker 7: Of, all this generalization that's never, supported and we should 569 00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:10,520 Speaker 7: not be extending the guilt for discreete crimes of individuals 570 00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:13,400 Speaker 7: who are named in charging documents to their whole ethnic 571 00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:17,760 Speaker 7: caste or. Tribe that is bigoted fundamentally, bigoted. 572 00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:18,040 Speaker 6: AND i think it's just. 573 00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:20,560 Speaker 7: FALSE i think the problem here is that the left 574 00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:23,959 Speaker 7: in the cities that they own are no longer assimilating these. 575 00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:25,680 Speaker 7: Immigrants and the way to stop that is to say 576 00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:28,320 Speaker 7: these cities are failing their, citizens and to say it 577 00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:31,160 Speaker 7: early and often from the bully pulpit of the, presidency 578 00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:34,240 Speaker 7: and to make these people feel shame and explain. Themselves 579 00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:36,400 Speaker 7: that's how politics in this country. Works that's how you 580 00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:38,680 Speaker 7: make an, issue and how you make a wedge issue 581 00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:41,680 Speaker 7: that favors. You you don't simply, say, Well i'm going 582 00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:44,040 Speaker 7: to solve this problem you know ONLY i can, fix 583 00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:47,760 Speaker 7: and with a pen swipe invalidate a whole, population which 584 00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:50,200 Speaker 7: only Gives democrats more opportunities to, say, well, look they're 585 00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:51,840 Speaker 7: just as racist as we always said they. Were it 586 00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:54,200 Speaker 7: seems like bad politics to, me AND. 587 00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:56,040 Speaker 3: I would only argue in, response AND i don't have 588 00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:57,560 Speaker 3: the time to dig into. It. Now we will do 589 00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:03,760 Speaker 3: this again that your take is not, wrong except if 590 00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:08,080 Speaker 3: we have In america a culture that states that one 591 00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:11,560 Speaker 3: does not have to, assimilate it doesn't take away from 592 00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:15,960 Speaker 3: the fact that there, might indeed be yes cultures societies 593 00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:19,120 Speaker 3: that are simply incompatible with how. 594 00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:21,480 Speaker 2: We view the world and how we view. 595 00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:24,080 Speaker 3: Ourselves and that's a CONVERSATION i would like to take 596 00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:25,760 Speaker 3: up at another. 597 00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:29,120 Speaker 2: Time Noah, ROTHMAN i appreciate you being with us more 598 00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:30,200 Speaker 2: to get To I'm Tony. 599 00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:33,759 Speaker 3: KATZ i like speaking With Noah rothman is THAT i 600 00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:39,239 Speaker 3: love the, pushback AND i certainly love his point of, 601 00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:42,720 Speaker 3: view and he's bringing it. There AND i think people 602 00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:44,920 Speaker 3: in your disagree and, say, oh you're just Anti. TRUMP 603 00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:48,000 Speaker 3: i don't think that's his argument in the Slightest Tony, 604 00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:50,880 Speaker 3: Katz Tony, Katz, today we went so long. THERE i 605 00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:53,520 Speaker 3: apologize we're a little short for time right. Now but 606 00:34:53,640 --> 00:35:00,760 Speaker 3: it's if we're going to make the argument that anybody 607 00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:02,080 Speaker 3: can be An american, CITIZEN i. 608 00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:04,640 Speaker 2: Would agree with. That if we're going to now make 609 00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:05,480 Speaker 2: the argument that the. 610 00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:07,960 Speaker 3: Political left has made it, impossible or it made it 611 00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:10,360 Speaker 3: so difficult and made it okay for people to not 612 00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:12,920 Speaker 3: be a part of The american, experiment how DO i 613 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:15,239 Speaker 3: deal with? That, well you stop the political left and 614 00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:17,719 Speaker 3: you change their mode of. Thinking what happens in the 615 00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:23,680 Speaker 3: interim while things get, Destroyed this is where the friction. 616 00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:25,600 Speaker 2: Is keep it. Here I'm Tony. 617 00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:34,720 Speaker 3: Katz this Is Tony katz today