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Speaker 1: Live from the Heartland and the Crossroads of America. It's

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Speaker 1: Tony Cats today.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna sell Saudi Arabia at thirty five strike fighters.

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Speaker 3: Are we?

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Speaker 2: Are we out of our minds? I mean, are we.

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Speaker 4: Completely insane? Maybe not?

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Speaker 2: Maybe Every resentment I have for September eleventh is still

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Speaker 2: holding true, is still valuable, is still important.

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Speaker 4: But we didn't punish Saudi Arabia the way we needed to.

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Speaker 2: And we live in this world right now, and in

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Speaker 2: this world right now, Saudi Arabia is your friend and

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Speaker 2: not your enemy.

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Speaker 4: Tony Kas Tony Caax today, good to be with you.

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Speaker 2: Of course, we've had a relationship with Saudi Arabia for years.

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Speaker 2: And yes, that is me saying that George W. Bush

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Speaker 2: in no way, shape or form handled Saudi Arabia the

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Speaker 2: way he should have. The violence I would have unleashed

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Speaker 2: cannot be fully explained here. That said, I have also stayed,

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Speaker 2: and I've stated this publicly, that I would have given

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Speaker 2: the Saudis the option to pick seventeen members.

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Speaker 4: Of the royal family to execute as they see fit,

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Speaker 4: but they better.

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Speaker 2: Do it live and in front of a video camera

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Speaker 2: so everyone can see what happens. We can do it,

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Speaker 2: but we're going to actually walk in and do it,

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Speaker 2: or you can do it. No, no, don't just send

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Speaker 2: us a couple of people are going to spend their

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Speaker 2: lives in a cushy jail. No, no, no, I would

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Speaker 2: not have been that kind. And you could say to me,

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Speaker 2: my gosh, Tony, that is violent. I am not someone

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Speaker 2: who forgets three thousand of my fellow Americans who were slaughtered.

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Speaker 4: I have not engaged any level of forgiveness.

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Speaker 2: I do, however, live in the real world, and the

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Speaker 2: real world tells me that if you can get Saudi

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Speaker 2: Arabia further on your side and engage some moves that

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Speaker 2: you're trying to engage, you can change the entire game

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Speaker 2: in the Middle East and not only further isolate Iran,

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Speaker 2: but totally disembowel them. You say to me, Tony, if

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Speaker 2: I thought you were violent before, now we're talking about disemboweling. Yeah. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I'm interested in my enemies losing. And Iran is the enemy.

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Speaker 2: There's no question, there's no debate. Iran is the enemy,

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Speaker 2: which is to say them, allays, the hardliners, the clerics,

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Speaker 2: the Ayahtola, the enemy of all free and thinking people.

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Speaker 2: You can get Saudi Arabia to come to the table,

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Speaker 2: you can get Saudi Arabia to agree to the Abraham Accords, Well,

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Speaker 2: that might be worth selling them some F thirty five

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Speaker 2: strike fighters. And the F thirty five is no joke.

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Speaker 2: It's a serious piece of hardware. It is an unbelievable instrument.

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Speaker 2: But you have Saudi Arabia pledging what is it, six

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Speaker 2: hundred billion dollars worth of investment into.

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Speaker 4: The US, You have.

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Speaker 2: The UH, you have the possibility of, indeed, the Abraham Accords.

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Speaker 2: Well that kids, that's everything you might want to actually

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Speaker 2: make that happen. So President Trump is getting ready to

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Speaker 2: meet with Muhammed Ben Solomon. We're going to cover that.

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Speaker 2: At the same time, the House of Representatives is getting

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Speaker 2: ready to vote on Epstein files, and they're getting ready

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Speaker 2: to vote on this discharge petition. Republicans are not fans,

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Speaker 2: not fans at all of this.

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Speaker 4: They do not want the discharge petition.

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Speaker 2: Happening at all.

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Speaker 4: What they want is a different vote.

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Speaker 2: The discharge petition is a system utilized by which someone

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Speaker 2: can bring legislation to the floor and absolutely do an

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Speaker 2: end around of the standard system. If you can do

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Speaker 2: an end around of the system. What you can do

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Speaker 2: then is bring anything you want for a vote right there.

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Speaker 2: You don't have to go through committees, you don't have

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Speaker 2: to do a whole host of things. You could just

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Speaker 2: go right to it. The problem with this discharge petition,

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Speaker 2: as Speaker Johnson explains it, and I'll share that with you,

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Speaker 2: is that it makes no.

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Speaker 4: Distinguishing maneuvers.

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Speaker 2: It makes no effort, I should say, better word, to

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Speaker 2: remove or redact the names of victims. For example, So

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Speaker 2: there are plenty of women who have admitted that Jeffrey Epstein,

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Speaker 2: the financiers, sexually abused them.

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Speaker 4: This island the trafficking.

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Speaker 2: Of these young women, I mean under the age of

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Speaker 2: eighteen women to men of power and influence, and they

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Speaker 2: I don't want to happen to anybody else. So let's

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Speaker 2: we know who did this, and let's make sure people

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Speaker 2: go to jail. I'm all in favor of that, but

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Speaker 2: there could very well be some women who have no

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Speaker 2: interest in being outed. This discharge petition does not protect them,

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Speaker 2: doesn't protect them. It could release names of people who

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Speaker 2: have done nothing wrong. Being listed in the files does

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Speaker 2: not mean you were involved with young women or involved.

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Speaker 4: In sex trafficking.

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Speaker 2: Jeffrey Epstein had a lot of people, in a lot

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Speaker 2: of connections in a lot of places. You have Byron

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Speaker 2: a group was putting in there about the Epstein files.

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Speaker 2: Leave aside for a moment. Donald Trump's had vomited in

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Speaker 2: any of this. His name appears more than sixteen hundred

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Speaker 2: times in the email release, according to a Wall Street

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Speaker 2: Journal review, and we all know how hard he's fighting

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Speaker 2: to keep the files from the Department of Justice investigation

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Speaker 4: But as Byron York notes.

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Speaker 2: It's an interesting piece, but it has to include the

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Speaker 2: leave aside paragraph below, because Trump is not a participant

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Speaker 2: in the recently released twenty thousand plus Epstein documents. Trump

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Speaker 2: says not a word, writes, not a single email or text,

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Speaker 2: that's a completely different mathematics. The idea that Epstein may

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Speaker 2: mention him is not proof of President Trump doing anything wrong.

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Speaker 2: And rational people need to read these things, and so agreed,

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Speaker 2: we need to see these things. But what other names

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Speaker 2: all of a sudden, we're gonna have people guilty by association.

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Speaker 2: That's gross stuff. We're gonna take people, Well, your name's

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Speaker 4: That's horrifying. Why don't we take the time because.

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Speaker 2: I want them released. I'm not going back on my

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Speaker 2: that the names are proper and accurate in there? If

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Speaker 2: we were to simply not engage his discharge petition, but

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Speaker 2: normal rational people, we could get there. The discharge petition

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Speaker 2: is a mistake. That's the issue. That's the fundamental flaw

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Speaker 2: right there. So we've got these two things we're watching.

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Speaker 2: We're watching the House of Representatives on the discharge petition.

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Speaker 2: We are watching for President Trump and Mohammed ben Sulman

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Speaker 2: to speak about what could be very likely a total

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Speaker 2: realignment of the Middle East. It's a busy day. I'm

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Speaker 2: Tony Kats. This is Tony Kats today. Why are there

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Speaker 2: Americans in Haiti. I know, I really should say that

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Speaker 2: any nation that wants to interfere with an American walking

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Speaker 2: and packs americanas like it used to be Pas Tromanas.

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Speaker 2: I am a Roman citizen and they should feel our wrath.

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Speaker 2: I am in a mood today, Tony Kats, Tony Kats today,

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Speaker 2: what do you do? And everybody find everything over there

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Speaker 2: at Tony kats dot com. The live stream is happening,

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Speaker 2: YouTube dot com, slash Tony CAATs. You should come and

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Speaker 2: be a part of that right away, if not sooner.

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Speaker 2: But there are places that are dangerous to be. If

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Speaker 2: you want to be an American citizen in North Korea,

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Speaker 4: I would argue the same thing is.

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Speaker 2: True with Russia, and I would argue the same thing

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Speaker 2: is true in Mexico City. My wife is very keen

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Speaker 2: have constantly told her by I mean, I love you

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Speaker 2: more than air. I will miss you, but I'm not

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Speaker 2: going because someone needs to stand back and tell your

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Speaker 2: story I have no faith none. There are threats from

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Speaker 2: that's the capital. If the gangs are in charge, what

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Speaker 2: What's the value? What's the win? What do we get?

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Speaker 2: What are we trying to accomplish? If the gangs are

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Speaker 2: the way, the gang leader is known as Barbecue. I

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Speaker 2: swear to you that's what he's known by. You should

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Speaker 2: stay at home on November seventeenth, and so this says yesterday,

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Speaker 2: Leave them to the Haitian gang that was designated by

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Speaker 2: the US State Department as a specially Designated Global Terrorists

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Speaker 4: The question I would immediately ask.

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Speaker 5: Is why, why in the world should we be there.

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Speaker 2: What's the point If the Haitians don't want it, why

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Speaker 4: Maybe that's true.

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Speaker 2: Maybe I'm being a little to I don't know what's

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Speaker 2: Maybe we have a responsibility in our hemisphere to put

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Speaker 2: Maybe the Haitians have a responsibility to this. You know,

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Speaker 2: I feel the same way about Ukraine. I would never

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Speaker 4: To the United States.

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Speaker 2: You don't get to claim asylum here, No, no, no,

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Speaker 2: You go back and you fight for your country. What

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Speaker 2: the hell is this? What kind of nonsense? You fight

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Speaker 2: for your country? And this whole scandal that has erupted

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Speaker 2: in Ukraine and the bribery and the embezzlement and Trump

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Speaker 2: are the questions I'm asking of of Vladimir's Lenski. How

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Speaker 2: much money did you take? Show me every bank account

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Speaker 2: or it all stops. And you see those people, those

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Speaker 2: people who engage the embezzlement, Yeah, they're gonna have to

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Speaker 2: go to jail or have an accident. Sorry, you can't

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Speaker 2: steal from us and then be able to enjoy that

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Speaker 2: you steal from us. You gotta go. And again you

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Speaker 2: say to me, Tony, what's with you? Are you really

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Speaker 2: I didn't start by saying it. But when you steal

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Speaker 2: the kindness of their heart, and of course, through our government,

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Speaker 2: their dollars, you better be really good with the dollars.

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Speaker 2: Because if you steal the dollars, well, hey, these things

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Speaker 2: do happen. And that seems like a pretty steep flight

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Speaker 2: of stairs that you're about to fall down. Oh well,

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Speaker 2: I'm wrong. Does somebody want to do you actually want

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Speaker 2: to say that that's an incorrect statement that people who

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Speaker 2: I mean, we could just throw them in jail if

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Speaker 2: be boring, do we want to be the people who

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Speaker 2: deal with these gangs in Haiti. I put forth to

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Speaker 2: and we should be clear that Haiti is awful as

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Speaker 2: all the corruption. Maybe that's what this protest was, what

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Speaker 4: They are right now gearing up for America to fight.

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Speaker 2: You have got the.

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Speaker 4: You're going to need to make a declaration somehow.

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Speaker 2: But if the Venezuelans are gearing up and getting ready

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Speaker 2: if you want to stop the drug running, maybe, But

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Speaker 2: if that's the case, don't you need to engage an

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Speaker 2: I'm not saying that you have to declare war on Mexico.

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Speaker 2: I'm saying that Mexico should welcome us in and say

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Speaker 4: This is a DMZ.

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Speaker 2: It's not what I want.

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Speaker 2: The cartels have made it impossible. If we're going to

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Speaker 4: Packs. Americanas kitten, this is Tony Kats today.

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Speaker 6: Never been in a position like this, and it really

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Speaker 2: And as the President of the United States, Donald Trump

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Speaker 2: be weird. The President talking about all the investment coming

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Speaker 2: having the conversation they should have been having all along.

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Speaker 2: You're going to see the results mean, but you should

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Speaker 4: Now he uses that way to say tariff's work.

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Speaker 2: But people also need lower coffee prices everybody, and lower

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Speaker 2: is all about selling the Saudis F thirty five strike fighters.

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Speaker 2: This is about taking investment from Saudi Arabia. And then

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Speaker 2: this is about the Abraham Accords. Can you get Saudi

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Speaker 4: You can further isolate Iran. This goes along with.

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Speaker 2: What happened to the UN, but I'll get to that

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Speaker 6: Years we practiced this attack our predecessors, these were very

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Speaker 6: Three times a year they went out and they practiced

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Speaker 6: But I just want to say, it's an honor to

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Speaker 7: And you'd like to.

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Speaker 2: Say, Saudis and the Iranians we think he was the president.

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Speaker 8: You know, the tradition of the tradition for about my

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Speaker 8: But today it's very important time in od history because there's.

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Speaker 7: Also a lot of things that we were walking into

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Speaker 7: the future.

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Speaker 2: We believe in the future.

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Speaker 7: Of us of America.

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Speaker 9: We believe in what you're doing.

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Speaker 8: Mister President's really creating a lot of good new things

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Speaker 2: Your work for the world piece I believe, mister President.

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Speaker 8: And today and tomorrow we got to announce that we

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Speaker 7: Doing that.

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Speaker 6: Now you're saying to me now that six hundred billion

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Speaker 7: No, that's great, that's guy. I appreciate that. That's great.

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Speaker 6: It's you know, we're doing numbers that nobody's ever done

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Speaker 7: If you didn't see potential in the US, you wouldn't

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Speaker 8: As I said as the president, it is the most

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Speaker 2: And want to be popular.

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Speaker 6: You know, we're doing really well, and you know, you

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Speaker 7: The tractors, everything else.

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Speaker 6: The numbers that we're doing in construction are are unbelievable.

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Speaker 6: I gave them the right to build their own electric

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Speaker 2: Front and all of the I don't know who David is.

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Speaker 6: Some of the assets, and also how we've been helped

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Speaker 7: At least am I.

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Speaker 2: Certainly thinking for the opportunity.

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Speaker 10: I am a.

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Speaker 4: Facility leader for Gievnova.

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Speaker 11: And if you look at the landscape for gie Ivernova

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Speaker 2: This is exactly where Trump wants to be the problem

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Speaker 2: what we said before, you got to make coffee and

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Speaker 2: Are now we're going This is a conversation to the

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Speaker 2: It's just a harder thing to share and explain all

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Speaker 4: That's rich people getting rich.

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Speaker 2: They don't see how it all flows and how it

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Speaker 4: He has to do both.

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Speaker 2: But this is a place where he feels very comfortable

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Speaker 2: In Tulsa, Oklahoma, in Peoria, Illinois, in Detroit, Michigan, in Charlotte,

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Speaker 2: Kevin has had a lot of other folks to get

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Speaker 7: It's great news.

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Speaker 8: Keep increasing with the present and it'll each time the

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Speaker 9: More and more.

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Speaker 6: Well the opportunity. So we're doing better if if even

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Speaker 7: Six months ago, I mean and all of a sudden.

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Speaker 6: You feel even better. So and I think we're only

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Speaker 12: Have you approved the export licenses for advanced chips to

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Speaker 9: The export license we don't work in on that.

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Speaker 6: We're negotiating that right now. Marco, do you want to

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Speaker 12: achieve and it's part of the broader process, part of

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Speaker 12: this broader engagement, cooperation between our two levels of chips from.

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Speaker 7: The Crown Frank to Rohana.

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Speaker 9: You're talking about.

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Speaker 8: A trillion dollars with best the Kingdom continued to do

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Speaker 8: the oil prices in the mid sixties. We love creating

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Speaker 8: a fake opportunities to you know, please a miracle.

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Speaker 2: Real opportunities.

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Speaker 8: For example, when you ask about the AI and the chips, SAI.

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Speaker 7: ABI have a huge amount of you need computing power.

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Speaker 8: And we're going to spend in the short term fifty

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Speaker 8: billion dollar by consuming those semiconductors for all our needs

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Speaker 8: in Saudi Arabia.

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Speaker 2: So this is a very interesting conversation considering that the

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Speaker 2: United States bans in Nvidia from sending those chips to China,

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Speaker 2: which is absolutely the right move. That you cannot give

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Speaker 2: them these chips, You cannot give them any advantage. So

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Speaker 2: the idea of the permits of the permitting is to say, okay,

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Speaker 2: you can utilize these chips, and it comes with I'm

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Speaker 2: going to assume a fair amount of restrictions and some

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Speaker 2: level of oversight as well as to how these AI

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Speaker 2: chips are used, and then of course.

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Speaker 4: What comes out of.

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Speaker 2: Them and where are those things? Then go The AI

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Speaker 2: conversation so dominates the economic landscape. The problem is without

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Speaker 2: the AI investment, what investment is really happening. And so

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Speaker 2: while this matters, and it does, I would encourage the

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Speaker 2: President to also be focused on other conversations of investment

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Speaker 2: that more connect themselves in the every day to American citizens,

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Speaker 2: because it will make them say, okay, I understand how

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Speaker 2: this affects me, on how it impacts me positively, because

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Speaker 2: the vast majority of us will be like, great, AI,

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Speaker 2: But I don't know where where.

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Speaker 4: Is it for me?

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Speaker 2: Do I get to make one more weird video right

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Speaker 2: of of you know?

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Speaker 4: Of you name it?

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Speaker 2: You know, one more funny cat video playing the fiddle

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Speaker 2: or whatever it is. I don't Did you see the

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Speaker 2: cat video playing the fiddle? It's very good. I'm a

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Speaker 2: violin Maybe I say fiddle because what can I say?

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Speaker 4: I'm just a Southerner at heart. None of that is true,

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Speaker 4: but I like the word fiddle.

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Speaker 2: Back to the President and the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia,

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Speaker 2: Mohamed ben Sma.

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Speaker 6: Things happened, but he knew nothing about it, and we

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Speaker 6: can leave it at that. You don't have to embarrass

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Speaker 6: our guests by asking a question I was.

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Speaker 7: Just ask, mister President.

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Speaker 2: You allow me to answer.

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Speaker 7: You know, I feel painful about you know, the families of.

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Speaker 8: And I live in in America, But you know we

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Speaker 8: have to focus on reality. Reality based in CII documents

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Speaker 8: and based on a lot of documents that OSAA Ladin

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Speaker 8: used Saudi people and that event for one main purpose

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Speaker 8: is to destroy this relation, to destroy the American Saudi relation.

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Speaker 2: That's the purpose of my delivering. So whoever buying.

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Speaker 7: That, that means they.

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Speaker 8: Are helping Osa leading purpose of destroying this relation. He

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Speaker 8: know that's strong relation between America and Saudi Arabia. It's

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Speaker 8: bad for extremism, it's bad for tourism, and we have

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Speaker 8: to prove him wrong and to build our relation, could

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Speaker 8: continue to working a relation. It's a critical in the

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Speaker 8: safety of the world. It's act and against extremism, urism.

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Speaker 8: About all the jurors, it's really painful to hear, you know,

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Speaker 8: anyone that's been losing his life for you know the

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Speaker 8: purpose of nothing anegal Way, And it's been painful for

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Speaker 8: us in Saudi Abia.

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Speaker 9: We've did all the light steps.

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Speaker 8: Of investigation exceitter on Saudi Arabia, and we've improved ole

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Speaker 8: system to be sure that nothing happened like that, And

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Speaker 8: it's painful and it's a huge mistake and being orbis

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Speaker 8: that this doesn't happen again.

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Speaker 2: I think that's a very interesting response from the Crown Prince,

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Speaker 2: and President Trump is right to say to the reporter,

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Speaker 2: what are you asking about September eleventh?

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Speaker 4: For what do you It wasn't him, What are you doing?

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Speaker 2: Don't ever deny the real anger that exists in the

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Speaker 2: soul of Americans still on September eleventh, no question, yourself included.

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Speaker 4: And that people find this meaning to be reprehensible.

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Speaker 2: The argument in response is one that doesn't give much comfort,

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Speaker 2: but it is true. We're here now today, the end

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Speaker 2: that's where we're at can't be denied. But the way

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Speaker 2: of Ben Salmon answered it, it was Osama bin Laden

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Speaker 2: who was trying to drive a wedge between Saudi Rabi

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Speaker 2: and the US and our relation. That's an unbelievably well

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Speaker 2: way to word it. I just don't know how true

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Speaker 2: that is. So that it was very practiced, there's a

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Speaker 2: reason he has risen so far in impressing the world.

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Speaker 2: I don't know how much I believe it, but as

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Speaker 2: a response, it was it was something keep it here.

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Speaker 4: I'm Tony Kats. This is Tony Cats today.

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Speaker 2: With that work force that.

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Speaker 8: We have, we need to use a lot of computing

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Speaker 8: power up to the place job in the long term,

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Speaker 8: So that's hugely imagine Sadiuabia. I want to link it

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Speaker 8: to American private Sicktols. I'm getting the supply from America.

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Speaker 8: So there's a lot of opportunities that the area.

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Speaker 6: And we're also involved in Ai and Shuddi Arabia that

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Speaker 6: we're working now.

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Speaker 2: So that's President Trump and the Crown Prince of Saudi

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Speaker 2: Arabia Mohammed Ben Salomon in the Oval Office talking about

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Speaker 2: deals that are being made.

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Speaker 4: Tony Katz, Tony Katz today, good to.

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Speaker 2: Be with you find everything going on over at Tony

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Speaker 2: Katz dot com just because it happened. During the radio break,

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Speaker 2: there was a conversation about Israel and the Abraham Accords,

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Speaker 2: which is really a reset of relations in that most

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Speaker 2: of these Arab nations would never work with Israel because

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Speaker 2: you have to solve the Palestinian question. What about the

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Speaker 2: Palestinians and the Abraham Accords said we'll get to that,

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Speaker 2: but can we at least engage some trade and stop

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Speaker 2: hating each other so much? And a lot of these

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Speaker 2: nations said, oh, the money would be nice, because they

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Speaker 2: never actually.

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Speaker 4: Cared about the Palestinians.

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Speaker 2: No, nation has, if only because Palestinian is a name given,

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Speaker 2: not an actual thing. And a lot of these nations

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Speaker 2: could have taken these people back at any time and

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Speaker 2: chose not to. And the leadership of the Palestinians could

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Speaker 2: have engaged the peace process with Israel numerous times, but

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Speaker 2: they wanted Jews dead in israelis dead and it's who

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Speaker 2: they are. So the question was about Saudi Arabia joining

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Speaker 2: the Abraham Accords. What the Crown Prince said is we

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Speaker 2: look forward to signing the Abraham Accords, which was oh,

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Speaker 2: myle mile my, because that's got to make the Iranians crazy.

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Speaker 4: Saudi Arabia signs the Abraham.

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Speaker 2: Accords, and it's very much any other Midiast nation that

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Speaker 2: has it, they'll be making a phone call saying, hey,

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Speaker 2: I've got a pen.

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Speaker 4: Where do you want me to be? Saudi Arabia being

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Speaker 4: the big dog.

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Speaker 2: But then he said, and we look forward to a

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Speaker 2: two states. So there's peace for the Israelis and peace

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Speaker 2: for the Palestinians. President Trump said, we talked about Onestate,

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Speaker 2: we talked about Testate, we talked about this, we talked

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Speaker 2: about that, we talked about your mother, so many things.

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Speaker 4: Who can remember all the things we said.

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Speaker 2: What the Crown Prince said is two state solution, right

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Speaker 2: to appease a whole host of people that he has

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Speaker 2: to appease back in the Middle East. And what the

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Speaker 2: President said is, well, woooh, maybe not a two state solution.

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Speaker 2: Let's not be silly, because he understands that that's a

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Speaker 2: non starter with the Israelis. What's going to happen is

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Speaker 2: an investment into Gaza that's going to create what did

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Speaker 2: he call it, the riviera there that it's going to

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Speaker 2: create a whole new world, and the Palestinians are going

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Speaker 2: to be able to have protection of a possibly international force.

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Speaker 2: All of these nations, whether Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Egypt, etc.

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Speaker 2: Are going to have a financial investment in the area,

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Speaker 2: and so therefore they're going to to be more app

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Speaker 2: to protect it. And the UN just accepted that deal

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Speaker 2: through their Security Council. They voted for it thirteen to nothing.

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Speaker 2: The UN Security First of all, the UN Security Council

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Speaker 2: is with you. You should really go back and check

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Speaker 2: because they've always been wrong. Secondly, they're following Trump's lead,

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Speaker 2: which I'll get to.

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Speaker 4: And third that is.

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Speaker 2: Not a two state solution that is something very, very different,

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Speaker 2: and that's going to become more and more apparent because

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Speaker 2: if it doesn't, well, we've got a whole other issue

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Speaker 2: at play. But the Crown Prince engage in his way

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Speaker 2: for his audience. The President moved it back for his audience,

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Speaker 2: so we'll have more on this. And the debate is

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Speaker 2: happening right now regarding the Epstein files, and we have

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Speaker 2: got that. If you're following the live stream, it's happening there.

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Speaker 4: Keep it here. It's Tony Kats Today.

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Speaker 1: Line from dall Hertband and the Crossroads of America.

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Speaker 4: It's Tony Katz Today.

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Speaker 14: To achieve true justice for victims. To date, the significant

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Speaker 14: information that has come out has come from the Oversight

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Speaker 14: and Government Reform Committee as a result of its issuing

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Speaker 14: thirteen subpoenas. We've released sixty five thousand pages of documents

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Speaker 14: from the Department of Justice, the Epstein estate, which was

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Speaker 14: not mentioned in the underlying legislation, former US Attorney and others.

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Speaker 2: That is Virginia Fox, Republican North Carolina, speaking on the

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Speaker 2: floor of the Houses. They are debating the release of

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Speaker 2: the Epstein files. Happening as we speak. Tony Kaks Tony

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Speaker 2: Kax today, good to be with you. This is really

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Speaker 2: about a discharge and whether or not this information is

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Speaker 2: going to get released with no reactions, which I think

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Speaker 2: is a mistake and we'll get into. But you have

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Speaker 2: on the other side of the aisle Thomas Massey, the

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Speaker 2: Republican from Kentucky, excoriating for Republicans for not doing this

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Speaker 2: earlier and how dare you not seat a representative Electrajalva

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Speaker 2: out of Arizona for forty nine days? Well, with all

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Speaker 2: due respect, you understand that none of that mattered.

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Speaker 4: You had a shutdown you were dealing.

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Speaker 2: With, and that's the excuse that the speaker used. Could

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Speaker 2: he have sadder, Yeah, he could have satder, but he

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Speaker 2: chose not to apply pressure to get the shutdown over with.

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Speaker 2: And Thomas Massey's words will fall very much on deaf

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Speaker 2: ears in that regard. But Massey, Marjorie Taylor Green, Lauren Bobert,

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Speaker 2: Nancy Mason, Nancy Masa represented Masa, South Carolina, just spoke

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Speaker 2: about her own victimization and about these women. They want

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Speaker 2: this release already, they want it now, and Republicans absolutely

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Speaker 2: did not move fast enough. That's my take because we

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Speaker 2: here have been saying quite clearly, we want to release

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Speaker 2: We absolutely want to release these files. We want to

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Speaker 2: know who is involved and people need to be prosecuted.

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Speaker 2: It's not enough just to say here you go, who

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Speaker 2: goes to jail? Because if people don't go to jail, well,

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Speaker 2: then what are we doing? So right now you've got

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Speaker 2: Thomas Massey speaking and discussing the legislation which is now

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Speaker 2: a great part of this debate.

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Speaker 15: Our judicial system is broken. If it were working, there

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Speaker 15: wouldn't be a thousand victims who haven't seen justice yet.

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Speaker 15: They are victims of the Epstein class. I'd begrudge nobody

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Speaker 15: success if they become a billionaire. But if you think

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Speaker 15: being a billionaire or by eyeing politicians keeps you out

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Speaker 15: of the judicial system, lets you rape young women, lets

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Speaker 15: you traffic women.

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Speaker 3: Got another thing coming when this bill passes, do not

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Speaker 3: let the Senate muck this up. There have already been.

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Speaker 15: Efforts derailed this our discharge petition, the Oversight Committee has

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Speaker 15: released thousands, tens of thousands of documents.

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Speaker 3: That's fine, keep working. How many names have you released? Zero?

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Speaker 3: You are still protecting where the DOJ.

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Speaker 15: Is protecting pedophiles and sex traffickers. The time for that

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Speaker 15: to stop is now now. Our speaker says, oh, this

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Speaker 15: bill needs him ended in the Senate. And specifically, he's

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Speaker 15: trying to create a loophole.

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Speaker 3: He's trying to.

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Speaker 15: Categorize the pedophiles as victims.

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Speaker 3: He's saying, oh, we don't embarrass the people that went

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Speaker 3: to the rape Island.

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Speaker 15: We should protect those names against unreliable accusations. Is he

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Speaker 15: calling all of these victims unreliable?

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Speaker 3: They've testified to the FBI. The FBI has these names

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Speaker 3: in their possession.

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Speaker 15: I asked the FBI director in a hearing, have you

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Speaker 15: looked at the documents? No, he trusts everybody that's been

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Speaker 15: there for decades.

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Speaker 3: That is wrong. Do not let the Senate muck this

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Speaker 3: bill up.

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Speaker 15: And if you are, if you're a party to that

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Speaker 15: in the Senate, you are part of this cover up

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Speaker 15: that we are trying to expose. No no, no, no,

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Speaker 15: no millionaire donor no no.

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Speaker 3: Because he went to rape Island and.

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Speaker 2: Anybody who was on the island, you want to throw

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Speaker 2: them in jail, go right ahead, Representative Messy. But if

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Speaker 2: the argument is you need to redact the names of

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Speaker 2: victims who might not want to be made famous. Then

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Speaker 2: do that the discharge petition doesn't lacks a flaw, And

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Speaker 2: you tell me I'm wrong for that. You've got a

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Speaker 2: helen a hand basket. Just who do you think you are?

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Speaker 2: You ain't the toughest guy in the room. I've seen

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Speaker 2: you in a vest. By the way, he is wearing

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Speaker 2: a three piece suit and the great vest underneath. And

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Speaker 2: I don't think it goes. But this isn't the fashion police.

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Speaker 2: This is rationality. You don't expose victims who don't want

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Speaker 2: to be exposed, and you don't think of yourself as

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Speaker 2: somehow moral or pious because you're doing it.

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Speaker 3: Change this bill.

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Speaker 2: Is this going to get screwed up in the Senate.

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Speaker 2: It's going to get changed in the Senate because you're

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Speaker 2: not engaging the protections justice. You should be with that.

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Speaker 2: But I will appreciate the idea of pushing to make

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Speaker 2: sure these files get released. And absolutely the move from

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Speaker 2: President Trump to say release the files changes a lot

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Speaker 2: of things in a lot of good ways. Yes, I am,

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Speaker 2: and the President got moved to releasing the files because

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Speaker 2: he was wrong to begin with. Remember when he said

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Speaker 2: it didn't matter, when he said this is just a hoax,

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Speaker 2: when he said, why are you bothering with this? He

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Speaker 2: was wrong, that's all. He misread the room, He misread

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Speaker 2: the party. And then you had the influencers, anybody who

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Speaker 2: will do anything done, Trump says, and believe it. Oh

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Speaker 2: my gosh, we shouldn't release this. President Trump says, it's

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Speaker 2: a hoax. It doesn't matter why you're paying attention to this.

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Speaker 2: They were all wrong, every single one of them was wrong.

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Speaker 2: The American people were right. People in the political right

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Speaker 2: got told, yeah, you were told about EV's seen, you

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Speaker 2: talked about amsceeen, But it turns out it never mattered

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Speaker 2: and you don't care about this. And the people were like, oh,

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Speaker 2: yes we do, and we don't care who you are,

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Speaker 2: how many followers you have, or anything else.

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Speaker 4: No, no, no, we're right.

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Speaker 2: We are right. Release the files, but you got to

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Speaker 2: release them in a way that makes sense. Can't victimize

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Speaker 2: people a second time just because you're going to prove

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Speaker 2: that they can be released. I want to know who

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Speaker 2: was involved, so do you can't we know that in

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Speaker 2: a right way. Now they've got Democrats talking truth and

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Speaker 2: transparency for the American people.

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Speaker 16: Now, Republican leaders in this host lost control of the story.

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Speaker 16: They lost the ability to hide behind procedure, and they

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Speaker 16: lost the luxury of pretending that they were ever on

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Speaker 16: the right side. The American people see it, survivors see

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Speaker 16: it in history, will see it.

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Speaker 2: And listening to the speaker.

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Speaker 16: Of the House's press conference today, I mean it sounds

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Speaker 16: like he basically wants to kill this whole thing.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely not.

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Speaker 2: That is a lie from a governed the Democrat, flat

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Speaker 2: out lie. I listened to it.

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Speaker 4: I'll share it with you in the next hour.

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Speaker 16: Vivors want what an awful, awful thing to do, So.

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Speaker 2: Let us release the files.

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Speaker 16: Let's give survivors the transparency they've long been denied.

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Speaker 2: Let us this is ignorantly stupid of him. Billionaire eliefs

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Speaker 2: who think they can You think this is about Republican

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Speaker 2: versus Democrat, and you're a continuing fee And let's.

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Speaker 4: Rememb place at Hell for stuff like this.

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Speaker 2: We had to be.

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Speaker 16: Dragged here under duress, and who stood up from day

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Speaker 16: one demanding the truth and with that year.

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Speaker 17: Back gross members are in mindful of strains from engaging

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Speaker 17: in personalities towards the president.

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Speaker 4: Coman yields back.

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Speaker 2: The general Lady from North Carolina is recognized.

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Speaker 7: Thank you, mister speaker.

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Speaker 14: Mister Speaker, those of us who did not sign the

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Speaker 14: discharge petition are just as concerned about the victims or

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Speaker 14: as some are calling them, survivors, as our colleagues who

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Speaker 14: signed the discharge petition. We share contempt for anyone who

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Speaker 14: abused anyone else. I've stood on this floor many times,

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Speaker 14: Speaker to speak out for victims and survivors of people

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Speaker 14: who have been abused, and against anyone who breaks the

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Speaker 14: law or takes advantage of an innocent person.

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Speaker 4: So this is Virginia Foxx.

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Speaker 14: She characterized as insensitive.

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Speaker 2: To that she is a Republican from North Carolina speaking

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Speaker 2: about the position of this is about what the discharge

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Speaker 2: petition does.

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Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 4: A discharge petition is a petition.

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Speaker 2: If signed by a large enough group, it avoids all

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Speaker 2: the normal channels of legislation getting to the floor for

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Speaker 2: a vote, and bring them to a vote immediately. The

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Speaker 2: problem with this discharge petition is I've been stating, is

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Speaker 2: that it's going to let loose a whole bunch of information,

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Speaker 2: doesn't redact anything. It's a problem. It's a legitimate, legitimate problem.

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Speaker 2: Being asked in the chat, why does it need a vote?

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Speaker 2: The release of the files does indeed need a vote? Now,

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Speaker 2: I think the question you might be asking is, well,

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Speaker 2: can't the president just release this information?

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Speaker 4: One could argue yes.

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Speaker 2: One could also argue that there is a system by

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Speaker 2: which you go about the engaging of releasing of things

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Speaker 2: that have been involved in or currently possibly in investigation,

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Speaker 2: and that's where the congressional approval comes into play. All

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Speaker 2: that said, the push for the discharge petition I believe

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Speaker 2: is a mistake. The release of the files I believe

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Speaker 2: is necessary.

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Speaker 4: More is coming up. Keep it here. I'm Tony kas Than.

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Speaker 4: This is Tony kats today.

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Speaker 18: It's a forty three days shutdown and now it's Epstein.

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Speaker 18: And by the way, by the way, the same party

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Speaker 18: that did all that, they were also the ones who

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Speaker 18: were texting with mister Epstein during a hearing where Michael

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Speaker 18: Cohen was their witness in another.

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Speaker 3: Effort to go after the president.

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Speaker 2: That is Jim Jordan being absolutely correct. Where were Democrats

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Speaker 2: to do this over the last four years and release

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Speaker 2: the Epstein files? This is the House debate about calling

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Speaker 2: the vote to release the files. Tony Katz, Tony Katz today,

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Speaker 2: I'm bringing you everything and Jim Jordan's saying where were you? Well,

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Speaker 2: you didn't do it because you knew that you were.

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Speaker 2: Some of your people are in there. As a matter

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Speaker 2: of fact, your people were talking to Jeffrey Epstein during hearings.

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Speaker 16: That's Delegate Stacey Plaskett of the US.

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Speaker 2: Virgin Islands who was texting with Jeffrey Epstein during a

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Speaker 2: hearing where Michael Cohen, the fixer, the guy who went

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Speaker 2: to jail for trying to bribe Nike. I believe it

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Speaker 2: was or no way it was that the other guy.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 4: He tried he brought somebody. Wait, who is the guy?

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Speaker 2: Bald guy Abnetti Abinadi, the lawyer for Storry Daniels. He

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Speaker 2: was the one trying to bribe people. Michael Cohen was

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Speaker 2: just a yucks And so he is testifying and Stacey Plaskett,

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Speaker 2: the delegate from the US Virgin Islands is texting with

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Speaker 2: Jeffrey Epstein and gaining advice from him on what to ask.

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Speaker 2: These people don't care about Epstein. They care about Trump

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Speaker 2: and attacking Trump. We care about getting data who was

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Speaker 2: involved in abusing young girls and when do they go

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Speaker 2: to jail? His argument is correct, Let's bring it back

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Speaker 2: to Congressman Jim.

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Speaker 3: Jordanstein to miss Maxwell.

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Speaker 18: When the Democrats released it, they redacted the victim's name,

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Speaker 18: something we all support, something everyone supports, except except in

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Speaker 18: this case, no court had ordered that name redacted, no

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Speaker 18: agency had redacted it, and the estate didn't redact it.

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Speaker 18: And the victim had already went public. So why black

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Speaker 18: out her name? Why black out her name? Because she

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Speaker 18: had said in her book and had testified underwrote that

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Speaker 18: she never saw any wrongdoing by President Trump.

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Speaker 2: He's talking about Virginia Giffrey, who has since passed away,

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Speaker 2: a victim, the one you see in the photos with

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Speaker 2: the former Prince Andrew where Democrats said, look at this

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Speaker 2: email that met Jeffrey Apssey mentions Trump and oh my gosh,

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Speaker 2: look Gow damning. But they redacted her name, even though

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Speaker 2: she was already known to be a victim, and she

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Speaker 2: has already on the record said she never had any

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Speaker 2: interactions with Trump ever.

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Speaker 4: Ever.

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Speaker 18: Ever, their position, their position cover up the names of

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Speaker 18: people who are already public, but don't worry about other

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Speaker 18: innocent people who the court said should remain private.

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Speaker 2: He's right, gosh, I think the American.

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Speaker 18: People see through it. They see through what the Democrats

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Speaker 18: are doing. The American people know.

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Speaker 4: What this is. They know Democrats have nothing.

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Speaker 18: Else to run on because of the success of this administration.

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Speaker 18: So I say, let's vote yes on this resolution and

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Speaker 18: then let's get focused on making sure we're doing what

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Speaker 18: the American families elected us to do.

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Speaker 3: With that, I.

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Speaker 17: Reserve the gentleman, reserves the gentleman from Maryland thousand percent.

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Speaker 17: Correct myself such time I consume, Okay, the General's reconized off.

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Speaker 4: The road, and do not throw anything.

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Speaker 19: It's Jamie Raskin, mister kan and mister Massey introduced their

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Speaker 19: discharge petition, perhaps the most famous discharge petition in American history.

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Speaker 19: The People's House unites across party lines to draw a

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Speaker 19: moral line. We draw a line against the rape and sexual.

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Speaker 3: Violation of children.

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Speaker 7: Good.

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Speaker 10: We draw a line against the global criminal trafficking of

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Speaker 10: girls and young women to service the pleasure of rich

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Speaker 10: and powerful men believe.

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Speaker 20: They are beyond all law and all morality.

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Speaker 10: We draw a line to put the voices of the

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Speaker 10: victims and the survivors first. We asked the Senate to

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Speaker 10: join us without changes, rather than obstruct this bill with

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Speaker 10: dilatory amendments. Legislative graffiti and self dealing million dollar jackpot

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Speaker 10: provisions for lucky senators.

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Speaker 19: Just past the bill, we're finally voting. The bipartisan discharge

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Speaker 19: petition led by Representatives Massey and Kannon, signed by two

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Speaker 19: hundred and eighteen of US overthrew the determined obstruction of

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Speaker 19: the speaker. The horse vote means the House will no

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Speaker 19: longer acquiesce in this astonishing, real time cover up.

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Speaker 4: This is why everyone hates Congress.

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Speaker 10: Global sex trafficking and child rape ring that has ravaged

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Speaker 10: the lives of more than a thousand girls and young women.

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Speaker 10: We're here today because these victims, these survivors, these citizens,

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Speaker 10: these inspiring women who have come to Washington are demanding

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Speaker 10: nothing less than justice and the complete truth about who

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00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:32,120
Speaker 10: is responsible for their vicious abuse, including those responsible for

880
00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:37,840
Speaker 10: enabling it, ignoring it, bank rolling it, and covering it up.

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Speaker 10: We join them today in rejecting any more dangerous lies

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00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:42,719
Speaker 10: about the.

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00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:44,440
Speaker 2: Crimes they suffered.

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00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:47,720
Speaker 3: No, child sex abuse is not a hoax.

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00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:50,320
Speaker 4: It's no, it never was a hoax.

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00:51:50,719 --> 00:51:54,080
Speaker 2: President trumk was wrong to call the Jeffrey Epstein conversation

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00:51:54,200 --> 00:52:00,239
Speaker 2: a hoax. He hurt his own cause here, but dear lord,

888
00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:04,480
Speaker 2: making this political. When you sit there and claim that

889
00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:08,080
Speaker 2: it's about women and it's about children, and it's about

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00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:11,520
Speaker 2: a better America and it's about holding people to account,

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Speaker 2: that's not what you're saying. Representative Raskin, we see you,

892
00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:19,920
Speaker 2: we hear you, and we're like, my god, do you suck?

893
00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:25,680
Speaker 2: You're engaged in a conversation of value, and you can't

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Speaker 2: do it in a valuable way. The Republican Party, Trump,

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Speaker 2: I should say, definitely through the wrench in here. He

896
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Speaker 2: didn't have to say what he said. He didn't have

897
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Speaker 2: to do it. He didn't have to say it didn't matter.

898
00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:42,320
Speaker 2: It did matter, and it always mattered. And you gave

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Speaker 2: them this ammunition that they're using today. You gave it

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Speaker 2: to them. But Raskin will never look at all the

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Speaker 2: Democrats that are involved, and we are interested in looking

902
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Speaker 2: at everybody who's involved and figuring out.

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00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:56,840
Speaker 4: Who has to go to jail. That's the difference.

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Speaker 2: That's the difference between you and Raskin, You and the progressives.

905
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:05,319
Speaker 2: You can't sit idly by and watch this happen, and

906
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Speaker 2: he can say, how does this hurt Trump?

907
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Speaker 4: He's doing it right now, bringing.

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Speaker 2: Up Trump's first the second Trife Health and Human Service

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Speaker 2: brought down the entire criminal network, and.

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Speaker 10: With that, I'm going to yield.

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Speaker 2: I'll reserve the balance of my time.

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Speaker 4: The gentleman reserves. The gentleman from Ohio is recorded, Jean Miss.

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Speaker 18: Speaker, I yield four minutes to distinguished Chair of the

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Speaker 18: House Overside Committee, mister Comer, and the gentleman from Kentucky.

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Speaker 4: The gentleman from Kentucky is recognized.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Richard.

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Speaker 21: Speaker as Chairman of the House Overside Committee. I've always

918
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Speaker 21: believed that sunshine is the best disinfected. For years, the

919
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Speaker 21: American people have demanded transparency about Jeffrey Epstein and Gleame

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Speaker 21: Maxwell's horrific crimes and about the federal government's failure to

921
00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:58,120
Speaker 21: protect the victims. The House Overside Committee is conducting a

922
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Speaker 21: thorough review of the federal government's instigation into Epstein. Our

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Speaker 21: work goes far beyond the legislation before us. Today, we

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Speaker 21: are committed to accountability, transparency, and justice for the American

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Speaker 21: people and for the survivors of these appalling crimes. To date,

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Speaker 21: the Oversight Committee has released more than sixty five thousand

927
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Speaker 21: pages of documents issued thirteen subpoenas and conducted interviews with

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Speaker 21: two key witnesses, both of whom were Republicans. The Trump

929
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Speaker 21: administration has provided US with Department of Justice materials and

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Speaker 21: access to suspicious activity reports. Unfortunately, throughout this investigation, Democrats

931
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Speaker 21: have chosen to manufacture yet another anti Trump hoax. Instead

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Speaker 21: of pursuing justice, they have mischaracterized witness testimony and selectively

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Speaker 21: released documents complete with targeted redactions.

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Speaker 3: In an effort to smear President Trump.

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Speaker 21: For example, Triuver US Attorney General Bill Barr, who oversaw

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Speaker 21: the twenty nineteen Epstein investigation, stated clearly under oath that

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Speaker 21: the prosecution team failed no evidence that President Trump committed wrongdoing.

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Speaker 3: Despite this, it.

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Speaker 2: Is absolutely true that so much of other Democrats have

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Speaker 2: put forth is this Trump derangement syndrome conversation. And the

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Speaker 2: reason that I want to share this as it's going

942
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Speaker 2: on is a it's important to hear what they're saying,

943
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Speaker 2: so you always have the baseline, you know exactly what happened.

944
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Speaker 4: We can't come together to go after child sex traffickers.

945
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Speaker 4: That's broken. This is Tony Cox today.

946
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Speaker 2: House cover up.

947
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Speaker 12: Now now we know that Donald Trump has tried everything

948
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Speaker 12: to kill our Jeffrey Epstein investigation, and he's failed, and.

949
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Speaker 2: Now he's panicking. He's about to lose his.

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Speaker 12: Epstein vote to force a Department of Justice to release

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Speaker 12: the files.

952
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Speaker 2: And that is the Democrat Representative Garcia and saying Trump

953
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Speaker 2: has lost his bid to hide all the Epstein files,

954
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Speaker 2: and now this vote is going to happen. Let me

955
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Speaker 2: tell you, Donald Trump is the worst king in history.

956
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Speaker 2: Tony Kats, Tony Kats today, good to be with you.

957
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Speaker 2: They are debating the vote the discharge petition, and all

958
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Speaker 2: the Democrats can say is what is Trump hiding and

959
00:56:23,040 --> 00:56:25,440
Speaker 2: what is Pam Bondi hiding. Allow me to be clear.

960
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Speaker 2: I think Pam Bondy has done a terrible job as

961
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Speaker 2: Attorney general. I'm very disappointed. We have no major moves,

962
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Speaker 2: we have no understanding of things that happened during the

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Speaker 2: Biden years.

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Speaker 4: Nothing.

965
00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:41,520
Speaker 2: All she did was hand out some binders of nonsense

966
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Speaker 2: to some so called influencers.

967
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Speaker 4: She has not done the job. She hasn't.

968
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Speaker 2: I'm not happy with cash Pateel or Dan Bongino because

969
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Speaker 2: I don't think they've done enough. Now I would probably

970
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Speaker 2: learn that, my gosh, you have no idea. What's stacked

971
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Speaker 2: up against us results. We want to see. We want

972
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Speaker 2: to know all these people are involved in all these

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Speaker 2: criminal activities and all of these subversions of America.

974
00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:11,200
Speaker 4: What is it that's going to happen. We want the data.

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00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:17,960
Speaker 2: So the Democrats will continue to rail about Trump. The

976
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Speaker 2: Republicans keep discussing this, and where the Republicans are right

977
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Speaker 2: now is that they do not favor what's known as

978
00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:29,680
Speaker 2: the discharge petition. They have at least explained to President

979
00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:32,720
Speaker 2: Trump enough or Trump is realized that America wants this

980
00:57:32,800 --> 00:57:35,360
Speaker 2: information and let's go to work. And President Trump, through

981
00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:39,600
Speaker 2: his own calling this a hoax, has created this problem

982
00:57:39,640 --> 00:57:43,200
Speaker 2: for himself. That's just fact. He hit it wrong. It

983
00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:45,120
Speaker 2: he read the room wrong. It's very rare for him.

984
00:57:46,200 --> 00:57:52,000
Speaker 2: And this is the result America wants to know. But

985
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Speaker 2: the discharge petition does not protect what they're what Democrats

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Speaker 2: are referring to with survivors, which is fine by me.

987
00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:03,840
Speaker 4: It's a fine a term. It doesn't protect these women.

988
00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:06,360
Speaker 2: It doesn't redact their names, doesn't redact names of people

989
00:58:06,360 --> 00:58:08,800
Speaker 2: who are clearly innocent, even though they might have been

990
00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:12,320
Speaker 2: named by Epstein. That's meaningless. What matters is whether or

991
00:58:12,360 --> 00:58:14,520
Speaker 2: not you're involved in abuse, so the discharge petition doesn't

992
00:58:14,520 --> 00:58:18,480
Speaker 2: protect And what Republicans are saying is we shouldn't do

993
00:58:18,520 --> 00:58:20,439
Speaker 2: it this way, we should do it so their names

994
00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:24,600
Speaker 2: are redacted. Democrats are saying, what Trump got to hide?

995
00:58:24,640 --> 00:58:31,320
Speaker 2: Why is he hiding so much? I said earlier, this

996
00:58:31,360 --> 00:58:34,120
Speaker 2: is why people hate Congress. This is it, This is

997
00:58:34,160 --> 00:58:39,120
Speaker 2: why they hate. And speaking of hate, Representative Promila Jaia.

998
00:58:38,920 --> 00:58:44,120
Speaker 22: Paul sons of girls, children were abused by Jeffrey Epstein

999
00:58:44,520 --> 00:58:50,240
Speaker 22: and his massive and powerful ring of pedophiles and protectors

1000
00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:53,680
Speaker 22: of pedophiles. We can't say all their names here, we

1001
00:58:53,680 --> 00:58:56,720
Speaker 22: don't have time, but let's at least bring a few

1002
00:58:57,160 --> 00:59:01,320
Speaker 22: of the courageous survivors and their names onto the House

1003
00:59:01,320 --> 00:59:06,480
Speaker 22: floor right here as we debate this. Haley Robson, Jenna

1004
00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:15,320
Speaker 22: Lisa Jones, Michelle Licata Ashley Rubright, Annie Farmer, Marina.

1005
00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:20,400
Speaker 23: Leserta people justice for them, tooresentatives, these women have carried

1006
00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:23,240
Speaker 23: a burden that they never should have had to bear,

1007
00:59:23,600 --> 00:59:28,800
Speaker 23: and today they demand, we demand, the American people demand

1008
00:59:29,040 --> 00:59:33,000
Speaker 23: that we answer their clarion call to justice today despite

1009
00:59:33,120 --> 00:59:36,400
Speaker 23: all the giant cover up attempts by this administration and

1010
00:59:36,560 --> 00:59:39,880
Speaker 23: this Speaker of the House, we will vote to release

1011
00:59:40,160 --> 00:59:41,760
Speaker 23: all the Epstein files.

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00:59:41,960 --> 00:59:45,080
Speaker 22: To be clear, there is no protection for pedophiles, no

1013
00:59:45,240 --> 00:59:48,320
Speaker 22: protection for the rich and powerful men of either party

1014
00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:51,800
Speaker 22: who participated, who turned a blind eye, who winked and

1015
00:59:52,000 --> 00:59:56,880
Speaker 22: grinned while witnessing the horrific abuses of young children.

1016
00:59:57,360 --> 01:00:00,640
Speaker 3: Released all the damn files.

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01:00:00,960 --> 01:00:04,480
Speaker 2: Now we reserve the gentleman reserves seem to really care

1018
01:00:04,520 --> 01:00:06,440
Speaker 2: about women, except for the women you're going to out

1019
01:00:06,440 --> 01:00:07,120
Speaker 2: who don't want.

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01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:08,760
Speaker 3: To be out here with gentlemen from North Carolina.

1021
01:00:08,800 --> 01:00:10,240
Speaker 4: And it's it's a gentleman's record.

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01:00:10,240 --> 01:00:12,200
Speaker 2: It's sometimes hard to believe we're actually part of the

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01:00:12,200 --> 01:00:13,120
Speaker 2: savery supportive of.

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01:00:13,120 --> 01:00:15,880
Speaker 24: This effort specifically to bring justice to the victims of

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01:00:15,920 --> 01:00:17,080
Speaker 24: this horrific.

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01:00:16,720 --> 01:00:17,720
Speaker 3: Series of crimes.

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Speaker 24: However, I have worked behind the scenes to raise concerns

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01:00:21,160 --> 01:00:23,800
Speaker 24: with this petition as it is currently drafted.

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01:00:23,840 --> 01:00:25,600
Speaker 4: Specifically, I believe that.

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01:00:25,600 --> 01:00:29,000
Speaker 24: There is grave risk at harming innocent people, and I

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01:00:29,040 --> 01:00:33,240
Speaker 24: repeat harming innocent people. When innocent people are harmed, that

1032
01:00:33,400 --> 01:00:38,000
Speaker 24: is not furthering justice. With an investigation of this size

1033
01:00:38,240 --> 01:00:40,800
Speaker 24: and a file that is as large as the Epstein

1034
01:00:40,840 --> 01:00:43,720
Speaker 24: files and as poorly defined as that is in this petition,

1035
01:00:44,200 --> 01:00:48,280
Speaker 24: there will invariably be people who are released pursuing to

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01:00:48,360 --> 01:00:53,160
Speaker 24: this discharge petition who had nothing to do with criminal activity. Imagine,

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01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:56,600
Speaker 24: if you will, a bellman, a waiter, some type of dorman,

1038
01:00:56,760 --> 01:01:01,120
Speaker 24: a mere social attendee who had no impact whatsoever on

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01:01:01,160 --> 01:01:02,520
Speaker 24: the criminal activities of.

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Speaker 3: Jeffrey Epstein, no participation. Their lives are forever ruined.

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01:01:07,160 --> 01:01:11,640
Speaker 24: And I'm reading specifically from the petition's language that prohibited

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01:01:11,680 --> 01:01:17,720
Speaker 24: grounds for withholding information in this file are embarrassment, reputational harm,

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01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:22,000
Speaker 24: or political sensitivity. And I would just submit, if you

1044
01:01:22,040 --> 01:01:24,040
Speaker 24: were going to be embarrassed, if you were going to suffer,

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01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:27,000
Speaker 24: suffer social harm, and that is all of the encompass

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01:01:27,040 --> 01:01:29,560
Speaker 24: activity that you were part of, you will be named

1047
01:01:29,560 --> 01:01:33,240
Speaker 24: in this petition. And I resent that innocent people should

1048
01:01:33,280 --> 01:01:38,120
Speaker 24: not be harmed when we are pursuing justice. I understand

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01:01:38,120 --> 01:01:41,360
Speaker 24: the political nature of this petition. I resent the fact

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Speaker 24: that there was not room for good faith amendments, and

1051
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Speaker 24: I urge the Senate to protect innocent people.

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Speaker 4: I ye'll back.

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Speaker 2: They're admitting that the house is going up Maryland.

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Speaker 4: That's what that was.

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Speaker 10: If you didn't catch that, to the distinction generally from

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Speaker 10: cal it was an.

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Speaker 2: Admission that the House is going to pass this disc

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Speaker 2: charchs petition. This is happening. Now it goes to the Senate,

1059
01:02:03,400 --> 01:02:06,600
Speaker 2: and the Senate's gonna say you're not protecting these people,

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Speaker 2: You're crazy, and the frustration will only grow and that's

1061
01:02:13,600 --> 01:02:17,240
Speaker 2: just so ugly. I sometimes in these moments when these

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Speaker 2: things are happening, and I do like to share them,

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Speaker 2: I do debate whether or not, like like is it overkills?

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01:02:23,920 --> 01:02:25,440
Speaker 2: Is it too much? And part of me is just,

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01:02:25,520 --> 01:02:30,960
Speaker 2: you know, you really need to you really need to

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01:02:30,960 --> 01:02:33,760
Speaker 2: to kind of hear it for yourself. And part of

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01:02:33,800 --> 01:02:36,280
Speaker 2: the argument, because I got asked earlier, does this even

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01:02:36,320 --> 01:02:39,640
Speaker 2: need to vote? Could Trump just release things? There are

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01:02:39,680 --> 01:02:44,520
Speaker 2: subpoenas and he hasn't followed the subpoena. The the the

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Speaker 2: end result, because I think if they want to place

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Speaker 2: some of this on Trump, they more than they can. Again,

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Speaker 2: he did a little bit of this to himself. But

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Speaker 2: the overarching of you didn't care about.

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Speaker 4: Any of this. You had all the opportunity in the world,

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Speaker 4: you didn't.

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Speaker 2: This is all political for you. This is all political,

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Speaker 2: every last bit of it, no part of it. Do

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Speaker 2: I believe that the political left in the main as

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Speaker 2: a party cares about Congressman Ship Roy of Texas now

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Speaker 2: getting recognized ste Hereman.

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Speaker 13: Today, a United Republican Party and a bipartisan super majority

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Speaker 13: is going to pass a bill to increase transparency regarding

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Speaker 13: the egregious abuses by Jeffrey Epstein, a goal that anyone

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Speaker 13: of conscious desires, that is in totality and important statement

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Speaker 13: to check the rich and the powerful. Remember how we

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Speaker 13: got here after decades. It was President Trump's Department of

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Speaker 13: Justice that indicted Jeffrey Epstein in July of twenty nineteen.

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Speaker 4: It was indicted Ms.

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Speaker 3: Maxwell.

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Speaker 13: It was the Republican led Oversight Committee, through thirteen subpoenas

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Speaker 13: that has released sixty five thousand pages of files in

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Speaker 13: just ten months. Meanwhile, my colleagues outther side of the

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Speaker 13: aisle have largely ignored this issue. It was Democrats who

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Speaker 13: were dacted an email to mislead the American people about

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Speaker 13: the truth of a witness that exonerated President Trump. It

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Speaker 13: was a Democrat representative plus said, who literally texted with

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Speaker 13: Jeffrey Epstein. As we question Michael Cohen. It was Democrats

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Speaker 13: who shut down the government, resulting in the delay of

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Speaker 13: swearing into members. As we vote to pass this legislation,

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Speaker 13: and it will pass. It is impossible, however, to avoid

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Speaker 13: problems with its politicization. One colleague has offensively gone so

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Speaker 13: far as to say that to oppose this bill means

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Speaker 13: you support pedophiles. Yet I know good public servants, former

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Speaker 13: law enforcement, former prosecutors who never knew Epstein, never knew

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Speaker 13: any visitors to its criminal enterprise, who have genuine concerns

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Speaker 13: about supporting this bill out of fear of creating new

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Speaker 13: victims or harming existing victims, or both. That is what

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Speaker 13: we produced Congress to inserting itself into the prosecutorial process

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Speaker 13: for political motivation, driven heavily by hatred of President Trump.

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Speaker 13: We should be concerned about victim privacy, concerned about risking

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Speaker 13: disclosure of non credible allegations of child sexual abuse materials,

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Speaker 13: future investigations.

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Speaker 3: But here's the deal. The leaders of.

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Speaker 13: This nation must expose abuses by the rich and the powerful.

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Speaker 13: That is why President Trump and the House have been

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Speaker 13: working for full transparency. But we should be motivated by

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Speaker 13: truth and justice for all, not politics.

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Speaker 2: I yell back, they're going to continue the debate. I

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Speaker 2: will take the quick break, and then something that happens

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Speaker 2: in the conversation between President Trump and Mohammad Binsamon, the

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Speaker 2: Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia, and a question that was

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Speaker 2: asked that I thought was more about September eleventh. No, no, no,

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Speaker 2: I miss something. Let me go and correct the record.

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Speaker 2: Keep it here. I'm Tony Katz. This is Tony Kats today.

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Speaker 2: This discharge petition will pass the House. Tony Kats Tony

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Speaker 2: Kats today, and the legislation will pass and go to

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Speaker 2: the Senate regarding the release of the Epstein files.

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Speaker 4: In there they will say you can't release.

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Speaker 2: The names of women who don't want their identity out,

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Speaker 2: and Democratic will scream you're engaging a cover up for Trump.

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Speaker 2: I will say it one more time. This is why

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Speaker 2: people hate Congress. Tony Katz. Tony Katz today, guys, A

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Speaker 2: pleasure to be with you. Find everything at Tony Katz

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Speaker 2: dot com. Appreciate everybody who's a part of the livestream, YouTube,

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Speaker 2: dot com, Slash, Tony Katz, Facebook, Tony Katz Radio and Twitter.

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Speaker 2: Ex Tony Katz a correction because I thought a conversation

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Speaker 2: with September about September eleventh, and I was incorrect, and

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Speaker 2: at the as we were heading to break. I said

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Speaker 2: it was a conversation about on Non Kashowgi. No, it

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Speaker 2: was a conversation about Jamal Kashogi. On Non Koshogi was

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Speaker 2: an arms dealer, Saudi billionaire died in twenty seventeen. Jamal

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Speaker 2: Kashogi was the the quote unquote journalist for the Washington

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Speaker 2: Post who was killed by the Saudis. If I remember

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Speaker 2: the story right, he was not only killed in a hotel,

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Speaker 2: this took place in it was not It was at

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Speaker 2: the Saudi consulate Istanbul. He was then dismembered and put

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Speaker 2: into a suitcase. And so the question was asked by

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Speaker 2: ABC News and Trump was prey disgusted with the question,

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Speaker 2: why are you embarrassing my guest?

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Speaker 4: But this was the exchange.

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Speaker 22: Is it appropriate, mister President, for your family to be

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Speaker 22: doing business in Saudi Arabia while you're president?

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Speaker 7: Is that a conflict of interest?

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Speaker 4: And your Royal highness?

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Speaker 11: The US Intelligence concluded that you orchestrated the brutal murder

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Speaker 11: of a journalist.

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Speaker 7: Not eleven families are.

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Speaker 9: Furious that you are here in the old who watched

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Speaker 9: who you were and the same chamus who you were?

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Speaker 4: Howld ABC newser with who AC.

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Speaker 6: Newser News ABC fake is one of the worst, one

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Speaker 6: of the worst in the business. But I'll ask you

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Speaker 6: a question. I have nothing to do with a family business.

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Speaker 6: I have left and when I've devoted one hundred percent

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Speaker 6: of my energy, what my family does is fine. They

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Speaker 6: do business all over. They've done very little with Saudi Arabia.

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Speaker 7: Actually they could.

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Speaker 6: I'm sure they could do a lot, and anything they've

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Speaker 6: done has been very good. That's what we've done. We've

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Speaker 6: built a tremendous business for a long time. I've been

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Speaker 6: very successful. I decided to leave that success fee behind

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Speaker 6: and make America very successful. And I've made America more

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Speaker 6: successful by far than it ever was, and that it

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Speaker 6: ever could have been. No matter who was president, there.

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Speaker 7: Would be nobody bringing in twenty one trillion dollars that

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Speaker 7: I can tell you right now.

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Speaker 2: So he then goes on to I don't know why

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Speaker 2: you have to embarrass him like that, And he goes

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Speaker 2: on to answer a question, answer the question regarding September eleventh,

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Speaker 2: and I said at the time that I thought his

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Speaker 2: answer was very very good.

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Speaker 4: I don't know if it's believed.

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Speaker 2: You know, Osama bin Lauden worked through Saudi Arabia to

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Speaker 2: create a wedge between Saudi Arabia and the United States,

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Speaker 2: and we need to better our systems and ensure this

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Speaker 2: never happens again. And it's it's a well prepared answer,

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Speaker 2: but I don't know if I believe that totally. But

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Speaker 2: the Koshogi question, first, I want to be clear. I

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Speaker 2: said this then and I'll say it now. I never

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Speaker 2: considered Jamal Koshogi a journalist, and I don't think he

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Speaker 2: should ever be given that distinction. So it wasn't a

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Speaker 2: journalist that said. It's certainly cleared. It is certainly a

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Speaker 2: legitimate argument that the Saudis did this. They did they

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Speaker 2: did this, They did kill him, they did this member him,

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Speaker 2: they did put him in a suitcase and drag him out.

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Speaker 2: Our problem is that we have to often deal with

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Speaker 2: awful if we did not deal with awful, which you

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Speaker 2: can make an argument for.

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Speaker 4: I please don't think of this as me.

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Speaker 2: Excusing anything I said of the Saudis. I started with

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Speaker 2: this that when September eleventh occurred, I don't care what

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Speaker 2: kind of relationship we had and oil prices, this, that,

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Speaker 2: and the other. We should have told the Saudis. You

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Speaker 2: have to pick seventeen members of the royal family execute

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Speaker 2: them live in front of cameras so the world can

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Speaker 2: see it. Or we'll come in and we'll pick the

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Speaker 2: seventeen members. But seventeen people in your family are dying,

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Speaker 2: that's what you get. I wasn't able. I knew I

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Speaker 2: wouldn't be able to get person for person retribution. Someone

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Speaker 2: has to pay the price for what was done here.

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Speaker 2: I started with that. But I deal in the real world.

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Speaker 2: If we didn't deal with people who were awful, we

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Speaker 2: wouldn't allow China to sell anything here and we would

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Speaker 2: never sell anything in China.

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Speaker 4: That's reality.

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Speaker 2: But we do.

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Speaker 4: We deal with people who are awful, and it is

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Speaker 4: I agree, awful.

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Speaker 2: But if Trump could get Saudi Arabia to be part

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Speaker 2: of the Abraham Accords, further isolating and then eliminating the

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Speaker 2: Iotolin the regime in Iran and engaging a level of

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Speaker 2: greater peace in the end of terrorism against well all

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Speaker 2: free and thinking people, that's good. That's dealing with reality.

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Speaker 2: As it is the fact that nine to eleven families

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Speaker 2: are upset, I wholeheartedly agree, and they have every right

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Speaker 2: to be.

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Speaker 4: This is what makes leadership so dang difficult.

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Speaker 2: In a lot of ways. One man's take. Keep it here.

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Speaker 4: This is Tony Kats today.

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Speaker 1: Line from Vaal Hartbier and the Crossroads of America. It's

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Speaker 1: Tony Katz Today. It was a busy morning over there

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Speaker 1: on Capitol Hill. You had Christy Nome, Homeland Security Secretary.

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Speaker 1: She was having a news conference. You had Mike Johnson,

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Speaker 1: the Speaker of the House.

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Speaker 2: We can hear them getting ready right there.

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Speaker 4: For their news conference.

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Speaker 2: Then you had the conversation about the vote going on

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Speaker 2: on the Hill to release the Epstein files, which, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I'm totally down for Tony Kats. Tony Kats today, good

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Speaker 2: to be with you. Find everything over at Tony Katz

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Speaker 2: dot com. Republicans now, with shut down over, have to

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Speaker 2: get into Okay, what are the things that we need

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Speaker 2: to get accomplished to help us in the midterms. That's

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Speaker 2: the next step. That step is also important for us

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Speaker 2: because these are things that we want done. These are

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Speaker 2: things that we want to make our life more enjoyable,

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Speaker 2: to bring down our costs, which is a job.

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Speaker 4: Number one for Congress to engage in.

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Speaker 2: What are you doing regarding this quote unquote affordability issue?

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Speaker 4: Don't get me wrong, Getting the mc files released.

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Speaker 2: I think is good stuff, but we should be clear,

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Speaker 2: we should engage in full clarity that what will move

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Speaker 2: Americans more is paying less for beef and cheese and coffee.

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Speaker 2: So while we may focus on certain things, we're nerds like,

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Speaker 2: we're deep, deep, deep, deep into this stuff. What americans want.

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Speaker 25: Oh, that's what matters, and what they want is to

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Speaker 25: spend less and a recognition of what's happening, something we've

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Speaker 25: talked about now for forever, and we got ripped.

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Speaker 4: Asunder for but we were right.

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Speaker 2: Of course people are going to attack. What do I

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Speaker 2: say to Steve Bannon now, who is like calling me

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Speaker 2: a stock Republican because I believe Scott Bessen's hasn't done

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Speaker 2: enough to engage the conversation about here's where we're lowering costs,

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Speaker 2: here's why things are still high, here's what we're working on,

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Speaker 2: here's what the effect will be.

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Speaker 4: Come join this fight with us.

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Speaker 2: Something I've been saying for forever, the conversation about stop

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Speaker 2: telling us everything is good when it's not good. And

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Speaker 2: now they're telling us everything is not good. But here's

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Speaker 2: what they're working on. They took our advice, and it's

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Speaker 2: not like we're so smart. It's just that we were

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Speaker 2: more honest about the thing. We didn't think that somehow

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Speaker 2: you could placate people through this, which was an absolutely

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Speaker 2: nuts thing to do. Placation was a terrible idea, terrible

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Speaker 2: from Scott Besson, the Treasury secretary, Terrible from the president.

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Speaker 2: Placating is what Janet Yellen did, the former Treasury secretary,

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Speaker 2: by telling us that was transitory. Oh holy hell. So

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Speaker 2: these things, these price things, and the removal of tariffs

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Speaker 2: on coffee and beef, very very valuable, very very smart.

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Speaker 2: More moves on that matter greatly. As for Epstein, Republicans

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Speaker 2: are going to say, listen, we're going to call the vote,

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Speaker 2: but there's some things that we do have to concern

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Speaker 2: ourselves with.

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Speaker 4: And they are right, they are absolutely right.

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Speaker 2: Specifically, if you'd engauge a discharge petition, So a discharge

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Speaker 2: petition is a way of getting around the standards of

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Speaker 2: the House and bringing something to the floor for a vote.

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Speaker 4: If you do this and you just release.

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Speaker 2: Everything willy nilly, what happens when you release the wrong information?

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Speaker 2: What happens when you release names of potential victims? What

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Speaker 2: about their privacy? What if you release names of people

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Speaker 2: and all of a sudden, they're being called child molesters

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Speaker 2: when they did nothing wrong. The release of the files

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Speaker 2: is something I have stated I want, I do want.

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Speaker 2: I want people who abuse children to go to jail,

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Speaker 2: and to go to jail forever. But just because somebody

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Speaker 2: is named in these files or in these papers and

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Speaker 2: these emails doesn't mean they did anything wrong. It's like

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Speaker 2: the whole thing with Trump. Trump's going to be named

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Speaker 2: nineteen billion times. What the bloody heck does that matter.

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Speaker 2: The only thing that matters is whether or not Trump

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Speaker 2: was involved in the abuse of children, and that doesn't

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Speaker 2: seem to be the case at all. And when I

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Speaker 2: see that what's his name, Larry Summers is all apologetic,

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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, I shouldn't have been communicating with Jeffrey

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Speaker 2: Epstein for all of those years. Well, is that right?

1307
01:16:59,240 --> 01:17:03,400
Speaker 2: You shouldn't have been talking to this creep, freak loser for.

1308
01:17:03,439 --> 01:17:04,479
Speaker 4: All of those years.

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01:17:04,880 --> 01:17:06,000
Speaker 2: What gave it away?

1310
01:17:07,040 --> 01:17:08,880
Speaker 4: What gave it away?

1311
01:17:09,640 --> 01:17:16,040
Speaker 2: Democrats are in this, and not every Democrat is guilty

1312
01:17:16,160 --> 01:17:20,840
Speaker 2: because they're in it. But I believe in its release

1313
01:17:20,920 --> 01:17:24,960
Speaker 2: to the very best of our ability. I believe that

1314
01:17:25,040 --> 01:17:30,600
Speaker 2: we should engage the release as much as humanly possible.

1315
01:17:32,439 --> 01:17:39,559
Speaker 2: We should not engage a standard discharge petition that does

1316
01:17:39,640 --> 01:17:46,320
Speaker 2: not have protections. That's really dumb, guys, that's a bad idea.

1317
01:17:46,400 --> 01:17:49,280
Speaker 2: If I check out the New York Post, a House

1318
01:17:49,320 --> 01:17:52,080
Speaker 2: dem pushing for release of full Epstein files predicts contents

1319
01:17:52,120 --> 01:17:54,320
Speaker 2: will shock the conscience of this country.

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Speaker 4: That's roight, Khanna.

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01:17:55,360 --> 01:17:58,840
Speaker 2: I'm not saying, no representative, Kahanna, I'm agreeing with you

1322
01:17:59,160 --> 01:18:01,519
Speaker 2: that I am. I am there that what we're going

1323
01:18:01,560 --> 01:18:06,240
Speaker 2: to see we won't actually believe based on everything I

1324
01:18:06,320 --> 01:18:08,639
Speaker 2: know about this, and I'm not saying I know anything

1325
01:18:08,880 --> 01:18:12,519
Speaker 2: that's necessarily differently than you do. What I'm saying is,

1326
01:18:12,720 --> 01:18:17,360
Speaker 2: if we are not protective of names who did nothing wrong,

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01:18:17,840 --> 01:18:20,479
Speaker 2: there's a woman who's gonna be listed in here who's

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01:18:20,479 --> 01:18:23,240
Speaker 2: a victim. Maybe she doesn't want to be outed. There

1329
01:18:23,240 --> 01:18:25,320
Speaker 2: are some women you know that at press conference today

1330
01:18:25,720 --> 01:18:28,280
Speaker 2: and we want this and you got you gotta put

1331
01:18:28,280 --> 01:18:29,160
Speaker 2: out this information.

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01:18:29,280 --> 01:18:33,080
Speaker 4: We must have this. There's someone we're gonna be like.

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01:18:33,080 --> 01:18:36,439
Speaker 2: No, that part of my life was there, and I

1334
01:18:36,479 --> 01:18:38,280
Speaker 2: have dealt with it, and I deal with it in

1335
01:18:38,280 --> 01:18:40,080
Speaker 2: my own way, and I don't need to be outed,

1336
01:18:40,120 --> 01:18:42,439
Speaker 2: and I don't want to answer questions about it. Am

1337
01:18:42,479 --> 01:18:45,240
Speaker 2: I gonna tell that woman she's wrong. I'm gonna tell

1338
01:18:45,240 --> 01:18:48,960
Speaker 2: that woman somehow she's she's weak or or not taking

1339
01:18:48,960 --> 01:18:49,640
Speaker 2: this seriously.

1340
01:18:49,680 --> 01:18:50,160
Speaker 3: All hell.

1341
01:18:50,280 --> 01:18:53,439
Speaker 2: No, I'm not having that conversation with anybody. And if

1342
01:18:53,439 --> 01:18:55,960
Speaker 2: someone is gonna have that conversation, I just want to

1343
01:18:55,960 --> 01:18:58,479
Speaker 2: be front row with a bourbon some popcorn, just to

1344
01:18:58,520 --> 01:19:02,720
Speaker 2: see what happens. Telling somebody how they should deal with

1345
01:19:02,760 --> 01:19:06,360
Speaker 2: things is something special. And when I say special, I

1346
01:19:06,439 --> 01:19:11,519
Speaker 2: mean insane. So I don't know how it's going to

1347
01:19:11,600 --> 01:19:16,200
Speaker 2: go down, but I am concerned that they are going

1348
01:19:16,240 --> 01:19:21,360
Speaker 2: to release information without focus. And when you do that,

1349
01:19:22,640 --> 01:19:25,680
Speaker 2: when you release information without focus, when you release it

1350
01:19:25,720 --> 01:19:31,320
Speaker 2: without levels of protections, what you are opening up. I'm

1351
01:19:31,320 --> 01:19:33,680
Speaker 2: not saying that all of it's going to be a problem.

1352
01:19:34,040 --> 01:19:37,000
Speaker 2: I am saying that some of it may destroy lives

1353
01:19:37,200 --> 01:19:41,719
Speaker 2: that don't deserve it. And we should just be clear

1354
01:19:41,800 --> 01:19:46,400
Speaker 2: about this. We are here, we are at the precipice.

1355
01:19:46,560 --> 01:19:48,839
Speaker 2: I have asked for this, you have asked for this.

1356
01:19:48,840 --> 01:19:50,920
Speaker 2: This is the right thing to do. And as I've

1357
01:19:50,920 --> 01:19:55,200
Speaker 2: been discussing that Trump is now in favor of the release,

1358
01:19:56,600 --> 01:20:01,960
Speaker 2: you absolutely understand ten thousand percent. And to understand that

1359
01:20:02,040 --> 01:20:04,800
Speaker 2: what happened here is that Trump went along with the Republicans.

1360
01:20:06,080 --> 01:20:09,400
Speaker 2: Trump saw the writing on the wall. He pushed and

1361
01:20:09,520 --> 01:20:15,439
Speaker 2: pushed and pushed and pushed for this not to be

1362
01:20:16,080 --> 01:20:18,760
Speaker 2: a thing. Why are you paying attention to this doesn't matter.

1363
01:20:18,760 --> 01:20:22,360
Speaker 2: It's all Democrat hoax. He had it wrong, as we

1364
01:20:22,479 --> 01:20:25,280
Speaker 2: said it. Then it was a swing and a miss

1365
01:20:25,680 --> 01:20:29,920
Speaker 2: from the president. He had it wrong. And then you

1366
01:20:29,960 --> 01:20:32,880
Speaker 2: had all these people on the political right, the so

1367
01:20:33,000 --> 01:20:33,880
Speaker 2: called influencers.

1368
01:20:33,920 --> 01:20:35,439
Speaker 4: President Trump just wants to talking about this.

1369
01:20:35,520 --> 01:20:37,799
Speaker 2: Yes, it's a distraction, whatever he wants, it's a distraction.

1370
01:20:38,080 --> 01:20:43,040
Speaker 2: The hell it's a distraction. We voted for this. Don't

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01:20:43,040 --> 01:20:46,400
Speaker 2: you tell us, so called influencers on the right what

1372
01:20:46,439 --> 01:20:48,759
Speaker 2: we voted for. You ain't in charge of a holy

1373
01:20:48,840 --> 01:20:52,200
Speaker 2: damn thing. I only hope it's taught you the greatest lesson.

1374
01:20:52,560 --> 01:20:57,400
Speaker 2: Sit down, the people decide. Remember when the conservatives came

1375
01:20:57,400 --> 01:21:00,200
Speaker 2: out and said in twenty sixteen, you can't vote for Trump,

1376
01:21:00,320 --> 01:21:02,559
Speaker 2: he's not a real conservative. And they signed these letters

1377
01:21:02,560 --> 01:21:04,320
Speaker 2: and they put out their missives. You know what, the

1378
01:21:04,360 --> 01:21:08,360
Speaker 2: people said, kiss off, We'll vote for whoever we want.

1379
01:21:09,600 --> 01:21:11,800
Speaker 4: And now so many of them are I was with

1380
01:21:11,840 --> 01:21:13,120
Speaker 4: Trump the whole time.

1381
01:21:12,920 --> 01:21:14,960
Speaker 2: And everything else. It would have been better if you've

1382
01:21:15,000 --> 01:21:17,080
Speaker 2: just been honest about Trump. Yeah, I got real worries

1383
01:21:17,120 --> 01:21:20,719
Speaker 2: and real trepidation, real concerns about him in the first term.

1384
01:21:21,200 --> 01:21:23,679
Speaker 2: But there's Hillary, and with Trump, I have a fifty

1385
01:21:23,720 --> 01:21:25,559
Speaker 2: to fifty shot of getting what I want. With Hillary,

1386
01:21:25,600 --> 01:21:27,800
Speaker 2: I have no shot, which is exactly what was said

1387
01:21:27,840 --> 01:21:30,680
Speaker 2: on this show. Well, actually I wasn't even this show

1388
01:21:30,720 --> 01:21:32,760
Speaker 2: at the time. It was my other show, my morning show.

1389
01:21:33,680 --> 01:21:35,760
Speaker 4: Trump. I have a fifty to fifty shot Hillary, I

1390
01:21:35,760 --> 01:21:36,200
Speaker 4: have no shot.

1391
01:21:36,240 --> 01:21:40,000
Speaker 2: I'm going with the odds. That's what the rational person does,

1392
01:21:41,800 --> 01:21:45,480
Speaker 2: and that's how we need to engage this. These influencers

1393
01:21:45,479 --> 01:21:47,320
Speaker 2: and everybody else who think that because they say it,

1394
01:21:47,360 --> 01:21:48,160
Speaker 2: you have to believe it.

1395
01:21:48,360 --> 01:21:49,160
Speaker 4: Horsecrap.

1396
01:21:49,880 --> 01:21:52,880
Speaker 2: You're smarter than them, you know better than them, because

1397
01:21:52,920 --> 01:21:54,800
Speaker 2: you know what it is you're looking for. And if

1398
01:21:54,800 --> 01:21:56,600
Speaker 2: they make an argument, you're like, you know what, I

1399
01:21:56,800 --> 01:21:57,639
Speaker 2: agree with that argument.

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01:21:57,680 --> 01:21:58,240
Speaker 4: That's one thing.

1401
01:21:58,880 --> 01:22:01,320
Speaker 2: But they're saying, we've said so you have to believe it. Oh,

1402
01:22:01,479 --> 01:22:06,000
Speaker 2: screw that, And that's what the president saw that. You said,

1403
01:22:06,400 --> 01:22:10,200
Speaker 2: screw that. Not paying attention to these people, I want

1404
01:22:10,240 --> 01:22:14,080
Speaker 2: the data, kitten, What did Epstein do who was on

1405
01:22:14,120 --> 01:22:14,599
Speaker 2: the island.

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01:22:14,720 --> 01:22:16,559
Speaker 4: Who needs to go to jail? When do they go

1407
01:22:16,600 --> 01:22:17,000
Speaker 4: to jail?

1408
01:22:17,160 --> 01:22:19,320
Speaker 2: And do I get to slap the cuffs on the

1409
01:22:19,360 --> 01:22:24,080
Speaker 2: guy or anybody else? But you can't just release information,

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01:22:24,160 --> 01:22:28,360
Speaker 2: Willy Nelly Man. We don't engage protections. There's gonna be

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01:22:28,360 --> 01:22:31,400
Speaker 2: a lot of regret and a lot of lives hurt

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01:22:31,439 --> 01:22:34,800
Speaker 2: for no reason whatsoever, and that we should not abide.

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01:22:35,200 --> 01:22:36,000
Speaker 4: I'm Tony Kats.

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01:22:36,040 --> 01:22:39,360
Speaker 2: This is Tony Kats today. So this cloud Flare outage

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01:22:39,360 --> 01:22:41,400
Speaker 2: today was a real issue for people on Twitter or

1416
01:22:41,400 --> 01:22:44,920
Speaker 2: on Zoom or anybody trying to engage in actual commerce.

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01:22:45,080 --> 01:22:47,760
Speaker 2: Tony Kats, Tony Kats today, Good to be with you.

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01:22:48,200 --> 01:22:51,360
Speaker 2: That's real disruption, and we saw a disruption. I want

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01:22:51,360 --> 01:22:53,599
Speaker 2: to say it was a year ago when Delta went

1420
01:22:53,680 --> 01:22:56,640
Speaker 2: down and all the airports had the issues. Well what

1421
01:22:56,880 --> 01:22:57,400
Speaker 2: caused that?

1422
01:22:57,680 --> 01:22:58,280
Speaker 4: This time?

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01:22:58,439 --> 01:23:01,640
Speaker 2: It's a group called cloud fla where you see this

1424
01:23:01,720 --> 01:23:03,639
Speaker 2: all the time. You got to click a little box

1425
01:23:03,680 --> 01:23:05,360
Speaker 2: and get to the website.

1426
01:23:05,720 --> 01:23:07,120
Speaker 4: I'm not quite sure what it does.

1427
01:23:07,560 --> 01:23:10,439
Speaker 2: I'm not quite sure why everybody needs it, certainly elon

1428
01:23:10,560 --> 01:23:13,919
Speaker 2: musk over at X. But every time there's an issue

1429
01:23:13,960 --> 01:23:17,120
Speaker 2: like this, you gotta wonder what kind of damage is

1430
01:23:17,160 --> 01:23:21,040
Speaker 2: being done not only to commerce, but to the company.

1431
01:23:21,400 --> 01:23:25,320
Speaker 2: Doctor Marcus Rodgers joins me right now, Professor, Associate Dean

1432
01:23:25,400 --> 01:23:29,200
Speaker 2: of Faculty in the director of the cyber Forensics Lab

1433
01:23:29,439 --> 01:23:33,360
Speaker 2: at Purdue Polytechnic Institute at Purdue University, right here in

1434
01:23:33,400 --> 01:23:36,719
Speaker 2: my beloved Indiana, not too far up the road. And sir,

1435
01:23:36,960 --> 01:23:38,920
Speaker 2: I think we start with a basic I appreciate you

1436
01:23:38,920 --> 01:23:39,559
Speaker 2: taking the time.

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01:23:39,920 --> 01:23:41,519
Speaker 4: What in the world is cloud Flair?

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01:23:42,520 --> 01:23:45,840
Speaker 26: Club Flair is a large company. They look after the

1439
01:23:45,880 --> 01:23:50,040
Speaker 26: security component, so their main thing is security. So when

1440
01:23:50,080 --> 01:23:52,360
Speaker 26: we talk about why all these companies have that is

1441
01:23:52,360 --> 01:23:55,839
Speaker 26: because all these companies require security, so they help secure

1442
01:23:55,880 --> 01:24:00,639
Speaker 26: these companies from attacks. And as ironic as if they're

1443
01:24:00,680 --> 01:24:04,200
Speaker 26: supposed to protect companies from outages, which in this case

1444
01:24:04,479 --> 01:24:06,720
Speaker 26: they seem to be the one that caused it. So,

1445
01:24:06,760 --> 01:24:10,040
Speaker 26: like I said, they're probably one of the largest security

1446
01:24:10,080 --> 01:24:13,519
Speaker 26: companies in the world, and pretty much every large company

1447
01:24:13,920 --> 01:24:16,880
Speaker 26: has cloud Flare in their environment.

1448
01:24:17,240 --> 01:24:18,719
Speaker 3: How do I.

1449
01:24:18,640 --> 01:24:20,840
Speaker 2: Always hear about in the world of cyber and the

1450
01:24:20,840 --> 01:24:25,040
Speaker 2: world of tech redundancies and having different ways of doing things.

1451
01:24:25,240 --> 01:24:27,880
Speaker 2: Does it make sense that one company has so much

1452
01:24:28,000 --> 01:24:28,719
Speaker 2: of the space.

1453
01:24:29,600 --> 01:24:32,000
Speaker 26: No, And this is one of the problems that we

1454
01:24:32,080 --> 01:24:35,559
Speaker 26: in the security industry warned against way back. You look

1455
01:24:35,640 --> 01:24:39,120
Speaker 26: at we're dealing with what's something called a single point

1456
01:24:39,120 --> 01:24:40,439
Speaker 26: of failure problem right now.

1457
01:24:40,760 --> 01:24:41,760
Speaker 9: When these large.

1458
01:24:41,520 --> 01:24:46,200
Speaker 26: Companies basically become so big, so ubiquitous that everybody uses

1459
01:24:46,200 --> 01:24:48,960
Speaker 26: them and there's no other choices, then you have single

1460
01:24:48,960 --> 01:24:51,559
Speaker 26: points of failure. So if that company happens to have

1461
01:24:51,600 --> 01:24:55,280
Speaker 26: a problem, then it affects almost everybody in all.

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01:24:55,240 --> 01:24:56,200
Speaker 9: The largest companies.

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01:24:56,320 --> 01:24:58,519
Speaker 26: We saw this with Amazon a few weeks ago when

1464
01:24:58,520 --> 01:25:01,880
Speaker 26: Amazon Aws went down, because they're the one of the

1465
01:25:01,960 --> 01:25:05,360
Speaker 26: largest cloud providers out there, they were a single point

1466
01:25:05,360 --> 01:25:05,799
Speaker 26: of failure.

1467
01:25:05,840 --> 01:25:07,880
Speaker 9: So this is now a big issue.

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01:25:08,040 --> 01:25:10,120
Speaker 26: You really don't have to go out now and attack

1469
01:25:10,320 --> 01:25:13,639
Speaker 26: multiple companies to cause problems. You only have to attack

1470
01:25:13,720 --> 01:25:16,439
Speaker 26: one of these large single points of failure, and the

1471
01:25:16,560 --> 01:25:17,839
Speaker 26: entire Internet's impacted.

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Speaker 2: Talking to a doctor Marcus Rogers, Professor, Associate deed for

1473
01:25:22,040 --> 01:25:26,360
Speaker 2: Faculty and director of the cyber Forensics Lab at Purdue

1474
01:25:26,360 --> 01:25:31,080
Speaker 2: Polytechnic Institute at Purdue University, is this the same thing

1475
01:25:31,120 --> 01:25:33,160
Speaker 2: that happened to I brought up Delta, which I think

1476
01:25:33,200 --> 01:25:34,920
Speaker 2: was about a year ago. Is this the same group

1477
01:25:35,040 --> 01:25:38,439
Speaker 2: or was that a different group of same concept same group.

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01:25:38,760 --> 01:25:42,559
Speaker 9: Oh yeah, it's the same group. And again because they

1479
01:25:42,800 --> 01:25:44,840
Speaker 9: are literally so big.

1480
01:25:45,360 --> 01:25:49,519
Speaker 2: So what is it in this case today with the outage?

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01:25:49,920 --> 01:25:51,760
Speaker 2: What is it that caused the outage?

1482
01:25:51,920 --> 01:25:54,639
Speaker 9: Well, we'll never know for sure according to.

1483
01:25:54,920 --> 01:25:57,280
Speaker 4: What you're making a conspiratorial sir.

1484
01:25:57,680 --> 01:25:59,840
Speaker 9: Yeah, it was. It was a single it was.

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01:26:00,320 --> 01:26:06,240
Speaker 26: They claim it was a misconfiguration, which obviously that's the

1486
01:26:06,280 --> 01:26:09,519
Speaker 26: excuse that every company has when something happens. They're very

1487
01:26:09,600 --> 01:26:11,960
Speaker 26: quick to say that it wasn't an attack from the outside,

1488
01:26:12,280 --> 01:26:15,160
Speaker 26: that it wasn't anything that was, you know, a type

1489
01:26:15,200 --> 01:26:19,560
Speaker 26: of cyber terrorism. They claimed that it was a misconfiguration internally,

1490
01:26:19,840 --> 01:26:20,960
Speaker 26: which is what every.

1491
01:26:20,800 --> 01:26:22,080
Speaker 9: Company says when this happens.

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01:26:22,120 --> 01:26:24,000
Speaker 26: So this is part of the problem when you're looking

1493
01:26:24,040 --> 01:26:26,960
Speaker 26: at it from the outside, is we never really know

1494
01:26:27,120 --> 01:26:29,840
Speaker 26: what really happened. We only know what the company wants

1495
01:26:29,880 --> 01:26:30,679
Speaker 26: the world to hear.

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01:26:31,360 --> 01:26:33,559
Speaker 4: Are any of these companies, sir?

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01:26:33,640 --> 01:26:36,000
Speaker 2: Are any of them like subject to for example, when

1498
01:26:36,040 --> 01:26:38,720
Speaker 2: the NFL puts out an injury report, right and this

1499
01:26:38,800 --> 01:26:41,719
Speaker 2: person's out and this person's injured. If you lie about

1500
01:26:41,760 --> 01:26:45,800
Speaker 2: that stuff, the fines are pretty dang severe. Are there

1501
01:26:45,960 --> 01:26:48,639
Speaker 2: is there anything like that that we have in terms

1502
01:26:48,640 --> 01:26:50,880
Speaker 2: of whether it's government overside or something else I assume

1503
01:26:50,880 --> 01:26:53,920
Speaker 2: would be government oversite that checks in on Wait, did

1504
01:26:53,920 --> 01:26:55,320
Speaker 2: you really not get attacked?

1505
01:26:56,320 --> 01:26:59,599
Speaker 9: Well no, especially not in in the US.

1506
01:27:00,080 --> 01:27:02,439
Speaker 26: In the EU they have a little bit of a

1507
01:27:02,479 --> 01:27:07,599
Speaker 26: different structure for basically looking at oversight.

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01:27:08,000 --> 01:27:11,040
Speaker 9: And what they do with that. In the US, absolutely not.

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01:27:11,680 --> 01:27:13,720
Speaker 26: And I'm not saying I wasn't a misconfiguration, but the

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01:27:13,760 --> 01:27:14,240
Speaker 26: point is.

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01:27:14,200 --> 01:27:15,040
Speaker 9: There really is.

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01:27:15,360 --> 01:27:15,519
Speaker 5: No.

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01:27:17,320 --> 01:27:18,599
Speaker 9: They really do not have.

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01:27:18,520 --> 01:27:21,599
Speaker 26: To be transparent in what causes because they'll claim there's

1515
01:27:21,640 --> 01:27:24,400
Speaker 26: all kinds of issues about intellectual property and things like that.

1516
01:27:24,600 --> 01:27:28,080
Speaker 26: What I always find kind of very interesting when these

1517
01:27:28,080 --> 01:27:31,880
Speaker 26: companies claim it was a misconfiguration. Well, you're such a

1518
01:27:31,920 --> 01:27:36,599
Speaker 26: large company, how could one misconfiguration take everything down? Aren't

1519
01:27:36,640 --> 01:27:39,479
Speaker 26: you supposed to have single you know, have redundancy, not

1520
01:27:39,600 --> 01:27:41,680
Speaker 26: have these single points. So I'm always a little bit

1521
01:27:41,720 --> 01:27:45,799
Speaker 26: suspicious when oh, it was just one line of code,

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01:27:45,800 --> 01:27:48,559
Speaker 26: that's like, wow, that's not a very good coded program

1523
01:27:48,560 --> 01:27:50,280
Speaker 26: if that's one line of code took.

1524
01:27:50,120 --> 01:27:51,160
Speaker 9: Down the entire Internet.

1525
01:27:51,320 --> 01:27:54,719
Speaker 2: Talking to doctor Marcus Rogers, the director of the cyber

1526
01:27:54,800 --> 01:27:58,360
Speaker 2: Forensics Lab at Ford Polytechnic against you of Purdue University.

1527
01:27:58,520 --> 01:27:59,760
Speaker 2: I don't know you, So this is the first time

1528
01:27:59,760 --> 01:28:02,360
Speaker 2: we've first time we're speaking, But I think I'm a

1529
01:28:02,400 --> 01:28:04,320
Speaker 2: pretty good read on people.

1530
01:28:04,960 --> 01:28:09,040
Speaker 4: You sound angry, I'm frustrated. Let me let me say

1531
01:28:09,080 --> 01:28:10,200
Speaker 4: it this way, like.

1532
01:28:10,320 --> 01:28:12,320
Speaker 2: Dear Lord, how many more of these are we going

1533
01:28:12,400 --> 01:28:15,240
Speaker 2: to witness before we do something? So what is your

1534
01:28:15,320 --> 01:28:19,200
Speaker 2: suggestion about what it is we as the internet surfing

1535
01:28:19,439 --> 01:28:20,719
Speaker 2: populace do.

1536
01:28:21,520 --> 01:28:24,320
Speaker 26: And this is where we as And I'm not so

1537
01:28:24,400 --> 01:28:28,160
Speaker 26: much angry as frustrated because obviously, you know, I'm trying

1538
01:28:28,160 --> 01:28:30,400
Speaker 26: to get on board online to do stuff this morning.

1539
01:28:30,439 --> 01:28:32,919
Speaker 26: We're trying to do things and it just impacts everybody.

1540
01:28:32,920 --> 01:28:34,120
Speaker 26: So it's more of a frustration.

1541
01:28:35,000 --> 01:28:37,400
Speaker 9: You know, I understand. You know, these companies have a

1542
01:28:37,439 --> 01:28:39,240
Speaker 9: business and it's not you know, if they want to

1543
01:28:39,280 --> 01:28:41,240
Speaker 9: be monopoly and do that, we let them do that.

1544
01:28:41,400 --> 01:28:44,320
Speaker 9: That's that's on us. So we as the consumers really

1545
01:28:44,360 --> 01:28:45,839
Speaker 9: don't have a lot of power with this.

1546
01:28:45,840 --> 01:28:47,960
Speaker 26: This is really something as much as I hate to

1547
01:28:48,040 --> 01:28:51,520
Speaker 26: use the R word, there has to be some regulations

1548
01:28:51,560 --> 01:28:54,360
Speaker 26: out there that basically say, when this happens, there has

1549
01:28:54,400 --> 01:28:58,240
Speaker 26: to be transparency. We cannot allow for one company to

1550
01:28:58,360 --> 01:29:01,320
Speaker 26: basically be so large that it takes There's got to

1551
01:29:01,320 --> 01:29:04,160
Speaker 26: be some competitional. Their competition is healthy, and we don't

1552
01:29:04,200 --> 01:29:06,320
Speaker 26: have that right now with the internet.

1553
01:29:06,439 --> 01:29:09,360
Speaker 2: The idea of regulations where you step into my world

1554
01:29:09,360 --> 01:29:13,840
Speaker 2: in al ways where I have a massive amount of recoil.

1555
01:29:14,439 --> 01:29:18,840
Speaker 2: Do you see this as a national security issue or

1556
01:29:19,160 --> 01:29:21,080
Speaker 2: or I mean, can you see it as a national

1557
01:29:21,120 --> 01:29:24,320
Speaker 2: security issue? Or is it much more of a this

1558
01:29:24,479 --> 01:29:26,440
Speaker 2: is just bad for business issue.

1559
01:29:26,720 --> 01:29:29,000
Speaker 26: It's actually both, because I tear right now a lot

1560
01:29:29,040 --> 01:29:30,760
Speaker 26: of what you're seeing out there, a lot of what

1561
01:29:30,800 --> 01:29:31,559
Speaker 26: we're dealing with.

1562
01:29:31,960 --> 01:29:35,760
Speaker 9: As you know, the regular Joe public, our government is

1563
01:29:35,800 --> 01:29:37,960
Speaker 9: in the same boat. It's the same Internet, and quite.

1564
01:29:37,840 --> 01:29:41,400
Speaker 26: Often they are contracting with the exact same companies. Now, yes,

1565
01:29:41,560 --> 01:29:44,599
Speaker 26: there are there are some secure networks that the Department

1566
01:29:44,640 --> 01:29:46,719
Speaker 26: of Defense have, but for the most part, the government

1567
01:29:46,760 --> 01:29:48,360
Speaker 26: is running on the same internet you and I.

1568
01:29:48,320 --> 01:29:48,840
Speaker 9: Are running on.

1569
01:29:49,200 --> 01:29:51,880
Speaker 26: So a outage like this not just only affects us

1570
01:29:51,960 --> 01:29:54,880
Speaker 26: to get on Zoom. It can affect basically the lawmakers.

1571
01:29:54,920 --> 01:29:57,880
Speaker 26: It can affect the government agencies. It can affect we

1572
01:29:57,920 --> 01:30:00,599
Speaker 26: saw that, you know, effects the airlines. It can affect

1573
01:30:00,640 --> 01:30:03,680
Speaker 26: a lot of our critical infrastructure, and that makes it

1574
01:30:03,760 --> 01:30:05,480
Speaker 26: a national security issue.

1575
01:30:06,200 --> 01:30:10,880
Speaker 2: Before I let you go, doctor Marcus Rogers, director of

1576
01:30:10,880 --> 01:30:15,479
Speaker 2: the cyber Forensics Lab at Purdue Bali Technique Institute there

1577
01:30:15,600 --> 01:30:20,439
Speaker 2: at Purdue University. For any smaller groups using cloud fair,

1578
01:30:20,479 --> 01:30:23,839
Speaker 2: what's your immediate suggestion cloud flair? Sorry, what's your immediate suggestion?

1579
01:30:25,080 --> 01:30:28,160
Speaker 26: Have some patience because quite often if you're using these

1580
01:30:28,360 --> 01:30:30,640
Speaker 26: and to be quote ninety nine point nine percent of

1581
01:30:30,680 --> 01:30:33,720
Speaker 26: the time it is they're not having a problem. It's

1582
01:30:33,840 --> 01:30:37,240
Speaker 26: that one percent that causes us all the you know,

1583
01:30:37,360 --> 01:30:40,200
Speaker 26: all the inks. So right now, because you really don't

1584
01:30:40,200 --> 01:30:42,400
Speaker 26: have a choice, it's not the consumer can go and

1585
01:30:42,400 --> 01:30:45,280
Speaker 26: say I don't want to use If whoever your backbone

1586
01:30:45,320 --> 01:30:48,400
Speaker 26: is attached to is using cloud Flare, you're using cloud Flare,

1587
01:30:48,760 --> 01:30:50,840
Speaker 26: So we really don't have a choice. But like I said,

1588
01:30:50,920 --> 01:30:54,080
Speaker 26: it's just a matter of I think, being informed consumers

1589
01:30:54,120 --> 01:30:58,280
Speaker 26: and maybe kind of letting our frustration be a little

1590
01:30:58,280 --> 01:31:01,320
Speaker 26: bit more evident to the lawmakers that hey, this really

1591
01:31:01,360 --> 01:31:03,719
Speaker 26: can't keep going on like this, because here, right now,

1592
01:31:03,760 --> 01:31:05,840
Speaker 26: this isn't the end of it. We are going to

1593
01:31:05,880 --> 01:31:08,360
Speaker 26: see more and more of these single points of failures

1594
01:31:08,640 --> 01:31:12,040
Speaker 26: and in the coming years, because we're hitting a almost

1595
01:31:12,080 --> 01:31:16,040
Speaker 26: a threshold or a turning point where we have so

1596
01:31:16,200 --> 01:31:19,000
Speaker 26: much traffic. We have so much going on, and it's

1597
01:31:19,040 --> 01:31:22,120
Speaker 26: so complicated. These things are going to continue to happen

1598
01:31:22,200 --> 01:31:23,519
Speaker 26: unless we do something about it.

1599
01:31:23,800 --> 01:31:25,920
Speaker 2: Tipping points, I believe, is the word. We're looking for it.

1600
01:31:25,960 --> 01:31:29,000
Speaker 2: Tipping point, That is it, Doctor Marcus Rogers. I just

1601
01:31:29,040 --> 01:31:30,680
Speaker 2: wanted to be as smart as a Professor.

1602
01:31:31,920 --> 01:31:32,759
Speaker 4: August Rogers.

1603
01:31:32,760 --> 01:31:34,519
Speaker 2: I appreciate it taking the time to be with us.

1604
01:31:34,840 --> 01:31:37,320
Speaker 2: More to get to I'm Tony Katz than this is

1605
01:31:37,360 --> 01:31:42,200
Speaker 2: Tony Katz today. So speaker Mike Johnson took to the

1606
01:31:42,240 --> 01:31:45,639
Speaker 2: podium talking about the Epstein files as I was earlier

1607
01:31:45,680 --> 01:31:48,160
Speaker 2: Tony Katz, Tony Katz today. It said first things first,

1608
01:31:48,560 --> 01:31:50,879
Speaker 2: you know, these Democrats are a bunch of lowly frauds.

1609
01:31:50,960 --> 01:31:53,400
Speaker 4: Right, These people are frauds.

1610
01:31:53,439 --> 01:31:55,760
Speaker 2: The only reason they care about the Epstein files is

1611
01:31:55,800 --> 01:31:58,080
Speaker 2: how they can get Trump. They don't actually care about

1612
01:31:58,080 --> 01:32:01,639
Speaker 2: these women. That is obvious and true. I would argue

1613
01:32:01,640 --> 01:32:04,120
Speaker 2: that is true for the vast majority. Certainly makes the

1614
01:32:04,120 --> 01:32:07,160
Speaker 2: party look bad. I think you can find individuals who

1615
01:32:07,200 --> 01:32:09,840
Speaker 2: are actually focused on Hey, I want this information out

1616
01:32:09,960 --> 01:32:11,280
Speaker 2: and I want people who need to be in jail

1617
01:32:11,320 --> 01:32:13,920
Speaker 2: in jail. I have to believe that does indeed exist

1618
01:32:14,479 --> 01:32:17,479
Speaker 2: in some cases. As a party, it is only about

1619
01:32:17,479 --> 01:32:19,479
Speaker 2: how they can hurt Trump. They don't care about these women.

1620
01:32:19,560 --> 01:32:23,000
Speaker 2: I would say that to anyone, and I just did.

1621
01:32:24,040 --> 01:32:27,440
Speaker 2: But Mike Johnson, the speaker, goes into a part two.

1622
01:32:27,880 --> 01:32:31,640
Speaker 2: This discharge petition idea is a bad idea. You're going

1623
01:32:31,720 --> 01:32:34,840
Speaker 2: to release everything. You're going to release information you don't

1624
01:32:34,840 --> 01:32:37,160
Speaker 2: want to release. You're going to release information. As I

1625
01:32:37,160 --> 01:32:40,080
Speaker 2: was discussing earlier, that you will regret. This was the

1626
01:32:40,120 --> 01:32:42,200
Speaker 2: speaker in his own words.

1627
01:32:42,479 --> 01:32:45,640
Speaker 20: Now, this was an unspeakable tragedy. We said that, and

1628
01:32:45,760 --> 01:32:49,360
Speaker 20: we have great compassion for the victims. And I'm heartened

1629
01:32:49,360 --> 01:32:52,360
Speaker 20: that I met with the victims or House Oversight Committee

1630
01:32:52,360 --> 01:32:54,840
Speaker 20: members met with the victims. And they deserve justice. It

1631
01:32:54,840 --> 01:32:58,360
Speaker 20: has been too long delayed, not just justice for what

1632
01:32:58,400 --> 01:33:01,200
Speaker 20: they were made to endure, but also we need answers

1633
01:33:01,200 --> 01:33:04,160
Speaker 20: on why it took so long for the Department of

1634
01:33:04,320 --> 01:33:09,480
Speaker 20: Justice itself to do that job under previous leadership. Republicans meanwhile,

1635
01:33:10,040 --> 01:33:13,479
Speaker 20: are working in earnest to deliver transparency to the American people,

1636
01:33:13,520 --> 01:33:16,360
Speaker 20: and we're working to do that in a responsible manner

1637
01:33:16,800 --> 01:33:19,760
Speaker 20: that does no further harm to these innocent people and

1638
01:33:19,800 --> 01:33:23,840
Speaker 20: the victims who have been wrapped into this. There are

1639
01:33:23,960 --> 01:33:26,400
Speaker 20: a few key facts here that everybody needs to understand. First,

1640
01:33:27,360 --> 01:33:29,760
Speaker 20: I mentioned the House Oversight Committee doing its work that

1641
01:33:29,880 --> 01:33:34,920
Speaker 20: is a bipartisan effort. They are already producing far more

1642
01:33:35,240 --> 01:33:39,559
Speaker 20: than the discharge petition even anticipates. Chairman Comer is our

1643
01:33:39,640 --> 01:33:42,639
Speaker 20: Chair of Oversight. Some of the biggest bulldogs in Congress

1644
01:33:42,640 --> 01:33:44,439
Speaker 20: served on that committee, you all know, and I've mentioned

1645
01:33:44,439 --> 01:33:46,839
Speaker 20: this so many times. They have been on the Republican

1646
01:33:46,840 --> 01:33:49,160
Speaker 20: and Democrat side. They're deeply dug in. They've been working

1647
01:33:49,200 --> 01:33:51,400
Speaker 20: around the clock. They worked even through the government shut down,

1648
01:33:51,400 --> 01:33:53,599
Speaker 20: and they were tranches of documents that were released even

1649
01:33:53,600 --> 01:33:56,320
Speaker 20: over that period. So far, by last count, it's over

1650
01:33:56,360 --> 01:33:59,479
Speaker 20: sixty five thousand documents Epstein file documents that are now

1651
01:33:59,520 --> 01:34:02,519
Speaker 20: out in the public for everyone to review. That includes

1652
01:34:02,600 --> 01:34:06,600
Speaker 20: tens of thousands of pages from the Epstein estate, And

1653
01:34:07,000 --> 01:34:11,879
Speaker 20: that includes Epstein's flight logs, his personal financial records and ledgers,

1654
01:34:12,720 --> 01:34:15,280
Speaker 20: his daily calendars, and so much more. And none of

1655
01:34:15,320 --> 01:34:19,680
Speaker 20: that is even written or included in the discharge petition. So,

1656
01:34:19,720 --> 01:34:21,800
Speaker 20: in other words, the Oversight Committee's doing far more than

1657
01:34:21,800 --> 01:34:25,200
Speaker 20: the discharge even anticipates, and the most valuable information thus

1658
01:34:25,200 --> 01:34:27,559
Speaker 20: far has come from the Epstein estate files.

1659
01:34:28,040 --> 01:34:30,760
Speaker 2: So that's an interesting way of saying our way, Well,

1660
01:34:30,800 --> 01:34:33,280
Speaker 2: AC should get you more information, but you just seem

1661
01:34:33,360 --> 01:34:36,559
Speaker 2: to be in a rush and careless, which is an

1662
01:34:36,560 --> 01:34:38,400
Speaker 2: interesting argument in and of itself.

1663
01:34:39,280 --> 01:34:41,000
Speaker 20: I brought a chart in here this morning. I do

1664
01:34:41,120 --> 01:34:44,080
Speaker 20: want to illustrate for you what we are concerned with now.

1665
01:34:44,120 --> 01:34:46,400
Speaker 20: I was a federal court litigator. The members of our

1666
01:34:46,439 --> 01:34:51,320
Speaker 20: House Judiciary Committee, Republicans in particular, have many of these concerns.

1667
01:34:51,320 --> 01:34:54,080
Speaker 20: You have Chairman Jim Jordan and attorneys like Chip Roy's

1668
01:34:54,120 --> 01:34:56,680
Speaker 20: running Attorney general of Texas. Now you have Radnaugh, who

1669
01:34:56,720 --> 01:34:59,760
Speaker 20: is a former federal prosecutor. Many members on the committee,

1670
01:35:00,120 --> 01:35:02,840
Speaker 20: Andy Biggs is running for governor of Arizona. They're lawyers,

1671
01:35:02,840 --> 01:35:05,479
Speaker 20: and they understand that the way the discharge position was

1672
01:35:05,560 --> 01:35:08,800
Speaker 20: drafted is haphazard and dangerous. This is why we have

1673
01:35:08,880 --> 01:35:11,479
Speaker 20: been opposed to this point. Okay, and I could be

1674
01:35:11,520 --> 01:35:13,360
Speaker 20: here for a long time going through all the details

1675
01:35:13,400 --> 01:35:15,640
Speaker 20: of it. But the big concern we've all had all

1676
01:35:15,640 --> 01:35:18,599
Speaker 20: along is at the House bill. If it's passing its

1677
01:35:18,640 --> 01:35:21,600
Speaker 20: current form and it was signed into law, it is

1678
01:35:21,680 --> 01:35:24,880
Speaker 20: dangerously flawed. And our problem, in our frustration is there

1679
01:35:24,960 --> 01:35:26,679
Speaker 20: is no way for us in the House to amend

1680
01:35:26,680 --> 01:35:29,720
Speaker 20: it or correct these problems because the authors of the

1681
01:35:29,760 --> 01:35:32,800
Speaker 20: discharge will not allow it. And that's one of our

1682
01:35:32,800 --> 01:35:36,800
Speaker 20: great frustrations. I mean, just very quickly, we have a

1683
01:35:36,880 --> 01:35:39,880
Speaker 20: legal document that the lawyers we have all drafted to

1684
01:35:40,080 --> 01:35:42,280
Speaker 20: explain all this. But let me give you quick, quick,

1685
01:35:42,400 --> 01:35:44,680
Speaker 20: five quick maybe the top five concerns about it, and

1686
01:35:44,720 --> 01:35:48,360
Speaker 20: there are more, But as drafted in the discharge petition,

1687
01:35:49,120 --> 01:35:52,000
Speaker 20: it fails to fully protect victim privacy. I'm going to

1688
01:35:52,000 --> 01:35:53,920
Speaker 20: read you an excerpt out of our legal document we

1689
01:35:53,960 --> 01:35:56,160
Speaker 20: put together to explain on this. Congress should give the

1690
01:35:56,160 --> 01:36:00,360
Speaker 20: Attorney General broader authority to redact all the victim information.

1691
01:36:00,720 --> 01:36:03,960
Speaker 20: The discharge doesn't do that. This would prevent the release

1692
01:36:03,960 --> 01:36:06,840
Speaker 20: of information that could be used to unmask victims who

1693
01:36:06,880 --> 01:36:09,880
Speaker 20: have chosen to remain anonymous. Now, you have some very

1694
01:36:09,920 --> 01:36:12,760
Speaker 20: brave women who have come forward and put their names

1695
01:36:12,760 --> 01:36:15,240
Speaker 20: and faces out there and done press conferences and explain

1696
01:36:15,320 --> 01:36:17,840
Speaker 20: that justice is overdue, and our hearts go out to them,

1697
01:36:17,840 --> 01:36:20,800
Speaker 20: and they are heroes. But you have as many as

1698
01:36:20,840 --> 01:36:24,240
Speaker 20: a thousand women, by some of the accounts, who may

1699
01:36:24,280 --> 01:36:27,120
Speaker 20: be caught up in this and the vast majority of

1700
01:36:27,160 --> 01:36:30,280
Speaker 20: them have not come forward, probably for obvious reasons. They

1701
01:36:30,280 --> 01:36:33,439
Speaker 20: don't want to be unmasked. But the discharge petition doesn't

1702
01:36:33,439 --> 01:36:38,200
Speaker 20: have adequate protections. It risks revictimizing those who were trafficked

1703
01:36:38,200 --> 01:36:38,920
Speaker 20: and exploited.

1704
01:36:39,520 --> 01:36:43,120
Speaker 2: That's absolutely correct, and it's kind of amazing that we're

1705
01:36:43,160 --> 01:36:46,320
Speaker 2: not taking that into account in this push to release them.

1706
01:36:46,520 --> 01:36:49,200
Speaker 2: I want them released. I haven't backtracked from my thoughts

1707
01:36:49,240 --> 01:36:51,800
Speaker 2: at all. The only thing that I ask is we

1708
01:36:51,920 --> 01:36:54,519
Speaker 2: do it with a bit of rationality, and that doesn't

1709
01:36:54,560 --> 01:36:58,080
Speaker 2: seem to be happening, which means Marjorie Taylor Green is wrong.

1710
01:36:58,439 --> 01:37:00,599
Speaker 2: I know she wants Cella Trump. I know she wants

1711
01:37:00,640 --> 01:37:03,800
Speaker 2: to call herself the true patriot. But dear Lord, I

1712
01:37:03,800 --> 01:37:07,679
Speaker 2: didn't say don't release I said don't engage the idea

1713
01:37:07,760 --> 01:37:10,200
Speaker 2: that somehow women want to be known for this.

1714
01:37:11,040 --> 01:37:13,160
Speaker 4: You're putting them out there, whether they like it or not.

1715
01:37:13,640 --> 01:37:18,040
Speaker 2: That's messed up, especially when you can do something about it.

1716
01:37:18,040 --> 01:37:21,400
Speaker 2: It's about being rational, it's about being aware that other

1717
01:37:21,400 --> 01:37:24,120
Speaker 2: people's lives and as as Speaker Johnson says it, and

1718
01:37:24,160 --> 01:37:26,719
Speaker 2: you would say it too, you're gonna victimize them twice,

1719
01:37:28,080 --> 01:37:31,920
Speaker 2: not give them a say twice, that's messed up stuff.

1720
01:37:32,120 --> 01:37:34,280
Speaker 20: And the courts have recognized this concern by the way

1721
01:37:34,280 --> 01:37:36,960
Speaker 20: I reached a quick excerpt. On August twentieth this year,

1722
01:37:37,439 --> 01:37:40,280
Speaker 20: Judge Richard Berman the Southern District of New York issued

1723
01:37:40,360 --> 01:37:44,160
Speaker 20: an order denying the DOJ's request to release Epstein grand

1724
01:37:44,240 --> 01:37:48,559
Speaker 20: jury materials, noting quote, names and identifying information of victims

1725
01:37:48,560 --> 01:37:52,400
Speaker 20: appear in the subject materials unquote. Judge Berman then quoted

1726
01:37:52,439 --> 01:37:57,240
Speaker 20: a letter related to victim's concerns, which stated the following, quote,

1727
01:37:57,320 --> 01:38:00,320
Speaker 20: transparency cannot come at the expense of the very people

1728
01:38:00,400 --> 01:38:04,480
Speaker 20: whom the justice system is sworn to protect unquote. And importantly,

1729
01:38:05,040 --> 01:38:07,680
Speaker 20: the judge quoted a letter from one of the victims

1730
01:38:08,200 --> 01:38:11,120
Speaker 20: in the proceedings. She is named as Jane Doe two.

1731
01:38:11,400 --> 01:38:13,839
Speaker 20: She said this, this is one of the victims. Quote.

1732
01:38:14,560 --> 01:38:18,120
Speaker 20: I beg the court to make sure it is of

1733
01:38:18,160 --> 01:38:21,920
Speaker 20: the utmost priority that in any sort of release, all

1734
01:38:22,000 --> 01:38:25,879
Speaker 20: and every detail that could possibly reveal our identities be redacted.

1735
01:38:26,840 --> 01:38:31,240
Speaker 20: The victims of Epstein's evils deserve that protection, and the

1736
01:38:31,280 --> 01:38:34,799
Speaker 20: discharge does not currently provide. Okay, number two.

1737
01:38:35,120 --> 01:38:37,559
Speaker 2: I don't actually think it gets clearer than that. I

1738
01:38:37,600 --> 01:38:40,840
Speaker 2: think that's a compelling argument, and I'd be kind of

1739
01:38:40,880 --> 01:38:44,000
Speaker 2: curious to hear who doesn't think it's compelling. But anyway,

1740
01:38:44,400 --> 01:38:47,639
Speaker 2: onto some of his other issues and House Republicans issues

1741
01:38:48,200 --> 01:38:51,080
Speaker 2: with just a discharge petition, which is a way of.

1742
01:38:51,080 --> 01:38:52,519
Speaker 4: Circumending the rules of the House.

1743
01:38:53,400 --> 01:38:55,559
Speaker 2: It's the House members all voting to say we want

1744
01:38:55,600 --> 01:38:58,000
Speaker 2: this brought to the floor, so it doesn't go through

1745
01:38:58,000 --> 01:39:00,000
Speaker 2: the normal rules of the House. It's called the discharge

1746
01:39:00,040 --> 01:39:02,799
Speaker 2: petition and would go directly to the floor for a vote.

1747
01:39:03,200 --> 01:39:06,080
Speaker 2: And that's what Speaker Johnson is concerned with here.

1748
01:39:06,520 --> 01:39:10,880
Speaker 20: The discharge petition could create new victims, okay, because it

1749
01:39:10,960 --> 01:39:14,920
Speaker 20: requires the DOJ to release information even in cases where

1750
01:39:14,960 --> 01:39:17,280
Speaker 20: the DOJ or the FBI has already reviewed it and

1751
01:39:17,360 --> 01:39:21,920
Speaker 20: determined it is not credible, it is false information. Doing

1752
01:39:22,000 --> 01:39:25,800
Speaker 20: this and requiring this to come out could ruin the

1753
01:39:25,800 --> 01:39:29,960
Speaker 20: reputations of completely innocent people, such as those who have

1754
01:39:30,400 --> 01:39:32,759
Speaker 20: may just have known Epstein but knew nothing of his crimes,

1755
01:39:33,000 --> 01:39:36,839
Speaker 20: or whose names he exploited. Think of this innocent people

1756
01:39:37,200 --> 01:39:39,880
Speaker 20: whose names he exploited and used to try to get

1757
01:39:39,880 --> 01:39:43,160
Speaker 20: close to his intended victims. Their names may be in

1758
01:39:43,200 --> 01:39:45,519
Speaker 20: these files and they had nothing to do with this,

1759
01:39:46,200 --> 01:39:48,599
Speaker 20: and so by just haphazardly releasing it, you're going to

1760
01:39:48,600 --> 01:39:52,639
Speaker 20: destroy their reputations. Releasing information containing the names of innocent

1761
01:39:52,680 --> 01:39:55,960
Speaker 20: people would subject those innocent people to a guilt by association.

1762
01:39:56,400 --> 01:39:58,519
Speaker 20: It would create an entirely new group of victims who

1763
01:39:58,560 --> 01:40:01,200
Speaker 20: have no means to clear their name. Games. That's a

1764
01:40:01,240 --> 01:40:03,320
Speaker 20: concern of Congress, and it should be it should be

1765
01:40:04,280 --> 01:40:07,120
Speaker 20: number three. The discharge in its current form fails to

1766
01:40:07,120 --> 01:40:09,720
Speaker 20: prohibit the release of child sexual abuse materials.

1767
01:40:10,000 --> 01:40:10,920
Speaker 4: That is a term of art.

1768
01:40:11,000 --> 01:40:14,799
Speaker 20: It's called see sam okay, it's defined in the US Code.

1769
01:40:15,360 --> 01:40:18,200
Speaker 20: The discharge is so haphazardly written because remember it's just

1770
01:40:18,200 --> 01:40:20,439
Speaker 20: a political exercise for these guys. They don't seem to

1771
01:40:20,479 --> 01:40:24,120
Speaker 20: care about this. But they cited the wrong section of

1772
01:40:24,160 --> 01:40:26,679
Speaker 20: the US Code. So when they try, when they say

1773
01:40:26,720 --> 01:40:28,640
Speaker 20: that they're, oh, we don't want child pornography to come out,

1774
01:40:28,720 --> 01:40:30,920
Speaker 20: child sexual abuse materials. Of course, we don't want that release.

1775
01:40:31,600 --> 01:40:34,600
Speaker 20: They wrote this thing so quickly that they cited the

1776
01:40:34,600 --> 01:40:36,920
Speaker 20: wrong section. So you know what that means. It means

1777
01:40:36,960 --> 01:40:40,760
Speaker 20: that it doesn't really bestow any real legal authority on

1778
01:40:40,760 --> 01:40:43,040
Speaker 20: the Attorney General to redact those materials.

1779
01:40:43,960 --> 01:40:47,240
Speaker 2: This is a very very good dissertation here from Speaker

1780
01:40:47,320 --> 01:40:52,759
Speaker 2: Johnson about how we don't will release the files, release

1781
01:40:52,800 --> 01:40:55,040
Speaker 2: the epcine files, and of course you and I want

1782
01:40:55,080 --> 01:40:57,439
Speaker 2: that done, but there's got to be some level of

1783
01:40:57,479 --> 01:41:01,320
Speaker 2: protection here, and we're not engage in this. We're engaged

1784
01:41:01,360 --> 01:41:05,400
Speaker 2: in this fanatical move. We're not engaged in a rational move.

1785
01:41:05,560 --> 01:41:08,400
Speaker 2: When you hear him talk, what is the democratic argument,

1786
01:41:08,680 --> 01:41:12,120
Speaker 2: screw those women? Well, right, we're not talking about allowing

1787
01:41:12,160 --> 01:41:14,200
Speaker 2: men in women's locker rooms. That's when they say screw

1788
01:41:14,240 --> 01:41:16,559
Speaker 2: those women. No, no, we're not talking about men and women's sports.

1789
01:41:16,720 --> 01:41:18,559
Speaker 2: That's when they say screw those women. No, no, no,

1790
01:41:18,600 --> 01:41:21,519
Speaker 2: we're talking about Oh wow. I guess that's a pattern,

1791
01:41:21,880 --> 01:41:27,240
Speaker 2: isn't it. We're talking about us being smarter about doing this,

1792
01:41:28,040 --> 01:41:31,840
Speaker 2: and just a breath here, we are don't do it

1793
01:41:31,920 --> 01:41:34,920
Speaker 2: via discharge. That's all he's asking for now. If he's

1794
01:41:34,920 --> 01:41:37,639
Speaker 2: asking for something else, like not to release the files,

1795
01:41:37,920 --> 01:41:40,639
Speaker 2: and then I would tell Speaker Johnson to go to hell.

1796
01:41:41,320 --> 01:41:43,720
Speaker 2: That doesn't seem to be what he's asking for in

1797
01:41:43,760 --> 01:41:44,720
Speaker 2: any way, and.

1798
01:41:44,680 --> 01:41:47,920
Speaker 20: I would compel the DOJ to release that stuff into

1799
01:41:47,960 --> 01:41:50,720
Speaker 20: the public. Every single person in this room knows that's

1800
01:41:50,720 --> 01:41:52,880
Speaker 20: wrong and you should stand against it. But that's what

1801
01:41:52,920 --> 01:41:56,960
Speaker 20: the discharge says. Number four. It jeopardizes the future federal

1802
01:41:56,960 --> 01:42:01,280
Speaker 20: investigations of the United States. Why because the discharge only

1803
01:42:01,320 --> 01:42:04,879
Speaker 20: allows the Attorney General to redact limited portions of records

1804
01:42:05,640 --> 01:42:11,479
Speaker 20: that could publicly identify individuals who are promised confidentiality. In

1805
01:42:11,560 --> 01:42:14,760
Speaker 20: this scenario, you're talking about whistleblowers, You're talking about confidential

1806
01:42:14,760 --> 01:42:18,120
Speaker 20: informants who came forward and gave information and evidence in

1807
01:42:18,160 --> 01:42:25,800
Speaker 20: exchange for agreed to have their identities not revealed, violating confidentiality.

1808
01:42:26,080 --> 01:42:29,000
Speaker 20: Imagine the chilling effect that would have on future investigations.

1809
01:42:29,280 --> 01:42:30,800
Speaker 20: Who's going to want to come forward if they think

1810
01:42:30,800 --> 01:42:34,200
Speaker 20: Congress can take a political exercise and reveal their identities.

1811
01:42:34,240 --> 01:42:36,679
Speaker 20: Who's going to come talk to prosecutors. It's very dangerous.

1812
01:42:37,000 --> 01:42:40,719
Speaker 20: It would deter future whistleblowers and informants, and the release

1813
01:42:40,720 --> 01:42:42,920
Speaker 20: of that could also publicly reveal the identity by the

1814
01:42:42,960 --> 01:42:47,040
Speaker 20: way of undercover law enforcement officers who are working in

1815
01:42:47,080 --> 01:42:50,400
Speaker 20: future operations. Dangerous stuff, and they seem not to care.

1816
01:42:50,400 --> 01:42:51,759
Speaker 20: And by the way, I'm going to remind you again,

1817
01:42:52,080 --> 01:42:54,400
Speaker 20: we went to the authors. We asked the authors of

1818
01:42:54,479 --> 01:42:57,960
Speaker 20: discharge to change this, and they said jump in the Potomac.

1819
01:42:58,040 --> 01:42:59,760
Speaker 20: All right, Number five.

1820
01:43:00,200 --> 01:43:02,480
Speaker 4: I very much doubt they said jump in the Potomac.

1821
01:43:02,520 --> 01:43:05,719
Speaker 20: But you get the meaning national security concerns.

1822
01:43:05,760 --> 01:43:06,080
Speaker 4: Okay.

1823
01:43:06,320 --> 01:43:10,160
Speaker 20: The discharge requires the Attorney General to release within thirty

1824
01:43:10,240 --> 01:43:16,720
Speaker 20: days quote classified information to the maximum extent possible. This

1825
01:43:16,800 --> 01:43:21,320
Speaker 20: ignores the principle that declassification should always rest and always

1826
01:43:21,360 --> 01:43:24,920
Speaker 20: has rested with the agency that originated the intelligence why

1827
01:43:25,439 --> 01:43:29,040
Speaker 20: so that they can protect their critical sources and methods.

1828
01:43:29,080 --> 01:43:34,400
Speaker 20: It is incredibly dangerous to demand that the officials or

1829
01:43:34,640 --> 01:43:38,360
Speaker 20: employees of the DOJ declassify materials that originated in other

1830
01:43:38,400 --> 01:43:41,880
Speaker 20: agencies and intelligence agencies. I could go on, I won't

1831
01:43:41,920 --> 01:43:43,479
Speaker 20: be here all morning. But there's a lot of problems.

1832
01:43:43,479 --> 01:43:45,640
Speaker 20: There's also a whole a lot of legal scholars, and

1833
01:43:45,680 --> 01:43:50,120
Speaker 20: I'm among them, who are concerned that you've got problems

1834
01:43:50,120 --> 01:43:54,200
Speaker 20: with grand jury secrecy. We know Rules six e of

1835
01:43:54,240 --> 01:43:56,640
Speaker 20: the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure prohibits the release of

1836
01:43:56,680 --> 01:43:59,799
Speaker 20: grand jury materials, but the way the discharge is drafted,

1837
01:44:00,160 --> 01:44:02,040
Speaker 20: you can make an argument that it requires all that

1838
01:44:02,040 --> 01:44:04,200
Speaker 20: to come out, and that is a serious problem. Grand

1839
01:44:04,280 --> 01:44:08,280
Speaker 20: juries are not adversarial. Okay, there's no opportunity there for

1840
01:44:08,360 --> 01:44:12,720
Speaker 20: cross examination. You can't disprove evidence, you can't challenge the

1841
01:44:12,720 --> 01:44:13,679
Speaker 20: evidence in any way.

1842
01:44:14,520 --> 01:44:16,240
Speaker 4: I think he's making a sound argument.

1843
01:44:16,320 --> 01:44:19,360
Speaker 2: I have no idea if by the time you hear

1844
01:44:19,439 --> 01:44:23,920
Speaker 2: this they voted or not and how they voted. So

1845
01:44:24,160 --> 01:44:27,479
Speaker 2: understand that even the vote today, which would be discharge petition,

1846
01:44:27,600 --> 01:44:31,840
Speaker 2: is not necessarily the Oh my gosh, Republicans are trying

1847
01:44:31,880 --> 01:44:35,920
Speaker 2: to keep everybody from getting this data. President Trump has

1848
01:44:35,960 --> 01:44:40,280
Speaker 2: figured out that Americans want this. He had the wrong tact,

1849
01:44:40,320 --> 01:44:43,360
Speaker 2: he had the wrong approach. He is now engaged in

1850
01:44:43,400 --> 01:44:48,920
Speaker 2: the right approach. Let the information be released and we

1851
01:44:48,960 --> 01:44:52,559
Speaker 2: will see names on their Democrat names and Republican names

1852
01:44:52,600 --> 01:44:55,080
Speaker 2: and celebrity names and all sorts of names. And just

1853
01:44:55,200 --> 01:44:58,280
Speaker 2: because there are names doesn't mean that they are guilty.

1854
01:44:58,320 --> 01:45:00,479
Speaker 2: It doesn't mean they were on the island, doesn't mean

1855
01:45:00,560 --> 01:45:05,400
Speaker 2: they were abusing children. Some may have, and that's what

1856
01:45:05,439 --> 01:45:08,439
Speaker 2: an investigation is for. And why wasn't this done already?

1857
01:45:08,560 --> 01:45:10,559
Speaker 2: Why aren't people in jail? This is where we should

1858
01:45:10,600 --> 01:45:13,760
Speaker 2: keep our focus. Everything else we're talking about here is

1859
01:45:13,880 --> 01:45:17,800
Speaker 2: just about engaging protection and the level of animosity on

1860
01:45:17,840 --> 01:45:21,960
Speaker 2: a subject that Americans should be totally unified on these

1861
01:45:22,000 --> 01:45:25,160
Speaker 2: people were abusing young children, find them and throw their

1862
01:45:25,160 --> 01:45:28,800
Speaker 2: butts in jail. What are we waiting for? What are

1863
01:45:28,800 --> 01:45:32,120
Speaker 2: we waiting for? And the answer is, I don't know,

1864
01:45:33,439 --> 01:45:37,519
Speaker 2: but hopefully not this discharge petition. But today's the day.

1865
01:45:38,080 --> 01:45:43,240
Speaker 2: I'm Tony Katz. Ford needs mechanics. And so if you've

1866
01:45:43,280 --> 01:45:46,479
Speaker 2: got a son or a daughter who's like I don't

1867
01:45:46,520 --> 01:45:48,559
Speaker 2: know if college is for me, and I don't know

1868
01:45:48,600 --> 01:45:52,719
Speaker 2: what I want to do, can I suggest whatever trade

1869
01:45:52,760 --> 01:45:56,840
Speaker 2: school or community college offers a course or certifications in

1870
01:45:57,200 --> 01:45:59,720
Speaker 2: learning how to fix I don't know, Ford cars or

1871
01:45:59,800 --> 01:46:06,240
Speaker 2: g cars or whatever, and start doing that now, Tony Kats, Tony.

1872
01:46:06,040 --> 01:46:07,960
Speaker 4: Kats today, good to be with you.

1873
01:46:07,960 --> 01:46:12,519
Speaker 2: You've got the CEO Jim Farley stating quite clearly that

1874
01:46:12,600 --> 01:46:16,759
Speaker 2: there are five thousand openings for mechanics and the salary

1875
01:46:16,840 --> 01:46:18,680
Speaker 2: is one hundred and twenty thousand dollars a year. Oh

1876
01:46:18,680 --> 01:46:21,040
Speaker 2: did I not mention that? Did I bury the lead?

1877
01:46:21,240 --> 01:46:24,840
Speaker 2: It's one hundred and twenty grand a year. And there's

1878
01:46:24,840 --> 01:46:26,519
Speaker 2: a question about it, even whether or not you're going

1879
01:46:26,600 --> 01:46:27,800
Speaker 2: to actually work weekends.

1880
01:46:28,520 --> 01:46:31,000
Speaker 4: I mean, if you're working in a car dealership.

1881
01:46:30,680 --> 01:46:37,200
Speaker 2: In other places, if you by the way, there's nothing

1882
01:46:37,240 --> 01:46:39,200
Speaker 2: wrong with saying to yourself, why am I working in

1883
01:46:39,240 --> 01:46:41,599
Speaker 2: this job that I'm in. I know I'm gonna get downsized.

1884
01:46:41,640 --> 01:46:43,479
Speaker 2: I know AI is going to come. AI is never

1885
01:46:43,520 --> 01:46:45,760
Speaker 2: going to come to change your oil. Oh, they're going

1886
01:46:45,800 --> 01:46:48,200
Speaker 2: to build some machine to try and do it automatically.

1887
01:46:48,720 --> 01:46:49,800
Speaker 2: You got time.

1888
01:46:50,960 --> 01:46:52,679
Speaker 4: Go go train up right now.

1889
01:46:53,400 --> 01:46:56,160
Speaker 2: For the record, I've thought about things like this, like

1890
01:46:56,200 --> 01:46:58,160
Speaker 2: what if I left it all behind and the radio

1891
01:46:58,160 --> 01:47:00,519
Speaker 2: and everything else and went and distraction that track. This

1892
01:47:00,600 --> 01:47:05,120
Speaker 2: is one of those things. There is a huge opportunity

1893
01:47:05,200 --> 01:47:09,439
Speaker 2: here if you're willing to sweat, and two younger generations

1894
01:47:09,439 --> 01:47:11,720
Speaker 2: who are listening to this show right if you're in

1895
01:47:11,760 --> 01:47:15,120
Speaker 2: your twenties, in your teens, to parents who talk to

1896
01:47:15,160 --> 01:47:18,200
Speaker 2: their kids, grandparents who talk to their grandkids. If you're

1897
01:47:18,200 --> 01:47:21,280
Speaker 2: willing to sweat, if you're willing to get dirty, the

1898
01:47:21,320 --> 01:47:22,400
Speaker 2: world is there for you.

1899
01:47:22,520 --> 01:47:24,800
Speaker 4: Mike grow was right from the beginning.

1900
01:47:25,439 --> 01:47:27,559
Speaker 2: It doesn't mean that there won't be some trades that

1901
01:47:27,600 --> 01:47:29,879
Speaker 2: fill up because more and more kids have gotten into it.

1902
01:47:29,880 --> 01:47:34,000
Speaker 2: It means that if you are ambitious, if you are creative,

1903
01:47:34,360 --> 01:47:37,280
Speaker 2: if you are willing to do the work, there's a

1904
01:47:37,360 --> 01:47:41,720
Speaker 2: place for you. This is an unbelievable number, according to

1905
01:47:41,760 --> 01:47:44,559
Speaker 2: the Social Security Administration, one hundred and twenty grand a year,

1906
01:47:44,840 --> 01:47:49,240
Speaker 2: twice the averall average annual American income. So there you go,

1907
01:47:50,560 --> 01:47:51,080
Speaker 2: There you go.

1908
01:47:51,800 --> 01:47:54,280
Speaker 4: Find everything I do over at Tony Katz dot com.

1909
01:47:54,320 --> 01:47:55,960
Speaker 2: I'd appreciate it if you'd be a part of it

1910
01:47:56,120 --> 01:47:58,479
Speaker 2: happening over there tomorrow. Everyone can take it

1911
01:48:03,520 --> 01:48:04,600
Speaker 9: And Nat