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Speaker 1: And Grand Rising family, and welcome to Wednesday hump Day. Later,

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Speaker 1: economist doctor Julianne Malvaux will check into our classroom. Doctor

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Speaker 1: Malvaul explained who's impacting the most by the ongoing government

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Speaker 1: shutdown and also the steps we can take to mitigate

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Speaker 1: the expected higher inflation rates. For doctor Malvaul, though Black

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Speaker 1: Women for Positive Changes. Doctor Stephanie Meers and educator Constance

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Speaker 1: Kinder will preview the group's annual Month of Non Violence conference.

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Speaker 1: But before we speak, those ladies, archaeologist and historian doctor

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Speaker 1: Cheryl La Roche. She has done extensive research on the

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Speaker 1: underground railroad or unveil her new project. But to get

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Speaker 1: us started, and we'll speak the momentarily callers from Ghana

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Speaker 1: be doctor Obadali Combone. But let's get this classroom door

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Speaker 1: open on this hump day. Speak to Kevin Langford, Grand Rising, Kevin,

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Speaker 1: this's opened the school the doors for our schoolroom this morning.

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Speaker 2: Hey Carl Nelson, whether you have your coffee black or

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Speaker 2: with your shaving cream, you can start your day over easy.

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Speaker 2: It the Carl Nelson Mornings. Yo, team, You see what

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Speaker 2: I did, Yes, I did. It's Wednesday, the twenty second

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Speaker 2: of October in the years, just flying by.

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Speaker 3: How are you feeling, Call Nelson.

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Speaker 1: I'm still learning, brother, I'm in that mode. I mean

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Speaker 1: that that that that that you know. I'm just focused

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Speaker 1: on learning. After you start doing it, you just you

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Speaker 1: know you do it. But sometimes you don't know that

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Speaker 1: you're learning. But you know, like you always say, once

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Speaker 1: you lunch the you got to put it into acting

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Speaker 1: act exactly.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, use use that new word you learned, or you know,

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Speaker 2: use that, use that new move you found out in

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Speaker 2: the gym, or you know, use that new recipe you saw.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you gotta you gotta use it.

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Speaker 2: Because a mind is a terrible thing to waste, but

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Speaker 2: it's a great thing to continually add. To see what

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Speaker 2: I did that, I'm full of it today.

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Speaker 1: I'm impressed. Merely Philo would be loving you. He's probably

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Speaker 1: somewhere watching. Oh what I did was not in vain

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Speaker 1: at least some folks are.

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Speaker 2: At least that guy, right, Yeah, because he used to

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Speaker 2: make me laugh every time.

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Speaker 3: He would get me every time with that. I'm still learning.

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Speaker 1: Man, I still learning.

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Speaker 2: Hey, but but we want to send that prayers out

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Speaker 2: for healing for the legendary Bryant Gumble he was rusted

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Speaker 2: in the New York hospital after a medical emergency, and uh,

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Speaker 2: he's a friend of yours.

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Speaker 3: Right, what's what's you know?

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Speaker 4: You know what?

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Speaker 1: I let me share this about Brian coming because people

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Speaker 1: talk about people that they all say negative things about

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Speaker 1: people all day of this and that they're Uncle Tom

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Speaker 1: you go like, what are they talking about? I'll just

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Speaker 1: share this is quickly, Kevin. We were at the where

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Speaker 1: the Lakers had signed Jamal Wilks and what they do.

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Speaker 1: They have a little like a press section for him.

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Speaker 1: And this was at the Forum Club when they were

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Speaker 1: So it was there. This's just a few black players there,

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Speaker 1: I mean black reporters there. And Brian Gumble was doing

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Speaker 1: But anyway, we're sitting there and while some of the

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Speaker 1: And you got the athletes and nothing had been against Jamal,

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Speaker 1: but you know they're the ones that are going to entertain.

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Speaker 1: They're the gladiators. And we got these owners and they

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Speaker 1: And now on the outside, we're now the house negroes,

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Speaker 3: The Happy God.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but you know, the deep conversation, and you hear

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Speaker 1: he says, man, I heard all these things about Brian Gumble.

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Speaker 1: You I didn't care. So I told him about the story,

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Speaker 1: I'm telling all this story because sometimes people will tell

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Speaker 1: But when you meet the person, the reality is totally different.

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Speaker 1: And that was for me with Brian Gumbles. I just hope,

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Speaker 2: Well, the Today's Show Legend, seventy seven years old, was

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Speaker 2: taken to a local hospital from his Manhattan apartment nine

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Speaker 2: about his condition, and I can't blame them. It's a

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Speaker 2: private thing for the moment. And Brian Gumba won an

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Speaker 2: Emmy four times. He's a full time Emmy winner for

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Speaker 2: Real Sports with Brian Gumble. And I remember when what

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Speaker 2: is Wayne Brady did an impression of Brian because they

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Speaker 2: kept saying Wayne Brady was as soft spoken as Brian Gumble.

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Speaker 3: He wasn't, you know, really a black.

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Speaker 2: Man, and so all of a sudden, he's yeah. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: it was a fun little skit. Those who saw it

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Speaker 2: know what I'm talking about. But Wayne Brady was trying

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Speaker 1: But you know, I think what Brian his success. I

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Speaker 1: though back in the day, they didn't know what we

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Speaker 1: now call code switching. You know what I'm saying. You know,

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Speaker 1: when when we down and once once you're on that

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Speaker 3: Game that's called code switching.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because because you you have a different code when

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Speaker 1: to act a different way.

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Speaker 2: Well, Nellie Fuller said, we got to stay on code,

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Speaker 2: and now you're saying that you can switch to the other.

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Speaker 1: It's kind of it's kind of like you don't remember

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Speaker 1: Stephan Feshion, right.

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Speaker 3: Yes, fats don't filming.

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Speaker 1: Right, But he played that role because he knew what

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Speaker 1: he had to do to make money to help us.

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Speaker 1: But he was smart, you know, he played that that

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Speaker 1: role of Stephen Feshion. When people found out I guess

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Speaker 1: closely when when he was leaving checking out and he

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Speaker 1: explained why he did it, and people, oh, wow, he

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Speaker 3: Well.

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Speaker 2: He joined NBC Sports in the fall of nineteen seventy five.

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Speaker 2: He served as the host of the network's NFL Baseball

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Speaker 2: and NCAA tournament coverage, including the nineteen seventy nine title

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Speaker 2: game between Magic Johnson's Michigan State and Larry Bird's Indiana State.

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Speaker 2: And so that's professionalism, Carl, That's no game, is it.

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Speaker 1: No, he's a professional. He's good at what he does.

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Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. But the point what you were,

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Speaker 1: Wayne Brady think, because they think that the same. I

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Speaker 1: don't know about Wayne Brady. I don't know what his

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Speaker 1: politics and what he thinks socially what's going on. But

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Speaker 1: I know what Gumble thought, you know, because we had

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Speaker 1: that conversation so about the whole plantation of black athletes

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Speaker 1: being gladiated and that whole nine yards we had that conversation.

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure if Wayne Brady goes that deep. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: So what I'm saying is that that Gumble knows what's

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Speaker 5: Right.

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Speaker 2: And I remember Brian Gumble's brother too. He was also

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Speaker 2: a sportscaster and he died at the young age of

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Speaker 2: seventy eight years old as a sportscaster.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, and Brian Gumble was no slotch man. He

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Speaker 1: was fluent in Russian, you know, in college. You know,

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Speaker 1: not many of us are going to school study Russian. Yeah, right,

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Speaker 1: Russian is a deep brother of all things this, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: all the languages. That's not the easiest language to learn

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Speaker 1: that because you know, you if it's Spanish or French,

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Speaker 1: you know, back then, he probably won't. You won't have

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Speaker 2: And then even as a sportscaster, I can't see the

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Speaker 2: the Olympics. Yeah. Okay, we're well rounded, brother, man. I

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Speaker 2: mean he was well rounded from Hyde Park out there

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Speaker 2: in Illinois, Chicago suburbs. We talked all about that growing up.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 3: Wow.

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Speaker 2: Well, meanwhile, in the world of check to check, the

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Speaker 2: federal government is still shut down.

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Speaker 3: So what does that mean for the country. What do

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Speaker 3: you think?

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Speaker 1: Wow? Two, I know we're going to ask doctor Malvaux

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Speaker 1: because it doesn't seem like there's an end in sight

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Speaker 1: for this, this this stalemate. Kevin and the deal is

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Speaker 1: somehow they have to reach an agreement where both sides

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Speaker 1: look at their win. Because right now it's not even

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Speaker 1: about the American public or the government. It's about I

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Speaker 1: think it's all about ego, because you know, we have

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Speaker 1: a fellow in the White House as a narcissist. Of course,

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Speaker 1: you know, I'm not saying thing out of school, as

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Speaker 1: yell don't know. And so he never loses, he never

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Speaker 1: never admits that the defeat at any level at any way.

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Speaker 1: So somehow out they've got to figure out construct the

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Speaker 1: way that whatever whenever he ends ends that he can

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Speaker 1: say he won. And a Democrat sellers say they want

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Speaker 1: and they're too far apart right now to even get there.

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Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 2: I was just speaking with Jay about Brian Gumbo's brother,

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Speaker 2: and he wanted to share something with us. So that's

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Speaker 2: where that's where I went there for a second, Is

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Speaker 2: Jay there Detroit?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, good morning, gentleman. Well you got talking about Brian Gumbo.

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Speaker 4: I first got exposed to Brian Gumble. They had a magazine,

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Speaker 4: a sports magazine called Black Black Sports, yep. And this

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Speaker 4: was in the early seventies, you know, even before he

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Speaker 4: became nationally loan and so a lot of people really

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Speaker 8: traditionally went to the HBCUs. You know, their grandfather graduated

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Speaker 8: from Howard or more House versus those people who may

436
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Speaker 8: be first generation college graduate. And this was not placing

437
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Speaker 8: a value on people. It's simply an understanding of And

438
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Speaker 8: so it's the uh, it's like, and I'm gonna be

439
00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:04,960
Speaker 8: perfectly this whole Boulet nonsense, right, I'm not going to

440
00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:08,240
Speaker 8: get into it, but this Bouley nonsense, these are the

441
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Speaker 8: folks who may have of course that the boys talked

442
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Speaker 8: about in terms of the talented tents who theoretically had

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Speaker 8: a responsibility to provide and take care of the other

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Speaker 8: members of our community. And so people would characterize someone

445
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Speaker 8: like a barrier, a buyer, like mister Gumbo who you know,

446
00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:36,640
Speaker 8: uh yeah, your reference being able to code switch right,

447
00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:39,399
Speaker 8: and they would say, oh, well, he's in Oreo and

448
00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:42,520
Speaker 8: he's not down and them not even knowing these people.

449
00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:45,680
Speaker 8: So yes, it's the folks that go to Jack and

450
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Speaker 8: Jill that have cotillions and what have you, and people

451
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Speaker 8: that are not in that circle will mischaracterize. So it's

452
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Speaker 8: an issue around class.

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Speaker 1: Let me jump in and ask you this twenty seven

454
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Speaker 1: at the top of the hour. Let's bring it up today.

455
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Speaker 1: Jasmine Crockett as being you know, at least most of

456
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Speaker 1: the white folks who are attacking Jasmine Crockett she wasn't

457
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Speaker 1: she wasn't down. She went to private schools then, you know,

458
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Speaker 1: and then end up being an attorney, but she can't

459
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Speaker 1: relate to the inner city struggle. Is this is this

460
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Speaker 1: the similar what you're talking.

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Speaker 8: About specifically talking about the black community. I'm not to

462
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Speaker 8: white people are gonna say what they're going to say,

463
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Speaker 8: and a lot of them aren't even familiar with these issues.

464
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Speaker 8: And in fact, when Lawrence Otis Graham wrote the book,

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Speaker 8: you know it was it was revealing to a lot

466
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Speaker 8: of because for example, I'm from New York. I read

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Speaker 8: the Amsterdam News and there was a uh, society section

468
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Speaker 8: in the Ansidam News. I never read the society section.

469
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Speaker 8: And so the black upper middle class are hidden in

470
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Speaker 8: playing sight. And if you're not in that circle, if

471
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Speaker 8: you're not in Jack and Jill, you don't go to cantillons.

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Speaker 8: You unaware of that, and people have these misconscrewed perceptions.

473
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Speaker 8: Is about people because they're not of that ilk. It's

474
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Speaker 8: it's that simple. It's the issues around class.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and Brian's I think his dad was a doctor

476
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Speaker 1: or something, but he you know, here.

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Speaker 8: You know, we have the origin story of most black people,

478
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Speaker 8: but we're talking about people who are third and fourth generations.

479
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Speaker 8: Their parents may have their great grandfather went to Howard University,

480
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Speaker 8: and you know at the early uh, you know, with

481
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Speaker 8: us coming out of slavery, you know, they founded schools

482
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Speaker 8: and many of us today, most of us today, myself included,

483
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Speaker 8: is a first generation college student. These are the folks

484
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Speaker 8: their grandparents may have went to a moor House or

485
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Speaker 8: mayor went to a Howard University and they had they

486
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Speaker 8: you know, they they started the funeral parlors, they started

487
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Speaker 8: the newspapers. You know, they were educated at a time

488
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Speaker 8: when most of us weren't. And so they're not first

489
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Speaker 8: generation educated people. You know, they are part of the

490
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Speaker 8: upper middle class. And that doesn't mean anything is wrong

491
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Speaker 8: with them. It's just that those those of us that

492
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Speaker 8: are not in that circle, we have miscon screwed interpretations

493
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Speaker 8: of people because people are complex human beings and there's

494
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Speaker 8: no standard, and so it just it was quite well

495
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Speaker 8: outlined in Lawrence Otis.

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Speaker 1: Graham's books, remember the book.

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Speaker 8: Among those people that were mentioned old money versus New money,

498
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Speaker 8: Brian Gumbele is, Bill Costy isn't. Andrew Young is, Jesse

499
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Speaker 8: Jackson isn't.

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Speaker 10: Uh.

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Speaker 8: You know, it was quite well, quite well outlined in

502
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Speaker 8: Lawrence Otis. Because these are people that summer, you know,

503
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Speaker 8: at Marcu's vineyard, they have a home in the Hampton.

504
00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:45,520
Speaker 8: You know, their third and fourth generation educated people, you know,

505
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Speaker 8: and folks that are not in that circle, they have

506
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Speaker 8: a misperception of them. But Lawrence Otis Graham laid it

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Speaker 8: out quite well in his book, and it played out

508
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Speaker 8: very well in a short lived series called Our Kind

509
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Speaker 8: of People that was on Fox. That was all that

510
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Speaker 8: took place during COVID, you know, and some people who

511
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 8: may recall the book and that short lived series, uh

512
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Speaker 8: may understand what I'm trying to convey.

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Speaker 1: All right, Thank you, Sister Fahima, and thank I Just

514
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Speaker 1: I've been trying to fit you know, when you mentioned

515
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Speaker 1: in the Ampsteam News the person that the man who

516
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:21,000
Speaker 1: wrote the column, I was trying to think of his

517
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Speaker 1: name because it's Sadie.

518
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Speaker 8: It was Sadie Settle. She's a society.

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Speaker 1: Columns, a society column Yeah, because sometimes it appeared in

520
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Speaker 1: Jed as well. You're not part.

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Speaker 8: Of that ill, you're not. I wasn't reading the Society

522
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Speaker 8: Fellow to find out who was coming out of continue

523
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Speaker 8: because I wasn't part of that circle, and so they're

524
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Speaker 8: hidden in plain sight. But Will who grahams in his book,

525
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Speaker 8: he you know, pretty much gave us a peek into

526
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Speaker 8: that world, like for example, just not to believe the

527
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Speaker 8: point the gentleman, uh, Reginald Lewis, he you know, was

528
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Speaker 8: one of the richest men. Uh he wanted to expose

529
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Speaker 8: his move into black people who were of the same

530
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Speaker 8: you know, economic level. He reached out to Graham to

531
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Speaker 8: introduce his children to that circle of people that were

532
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Speaker 8: that were you know, that were black and were you know,

533
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Speaker 8: old money if you.

534
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Speaker 10: Will, Wow, did not know that.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, sister for Hima, Thank you for sharing that

536
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Speaker 1: with us. Kevin, That's what I'm talking about. You learned

537
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:26,720
Speaker 1: something every day on this program. We've got some super listeners. Family.

538
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:29,119
Speaker 1: So it's all about twenty eight minutes away from the

539
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 1: top of the Allelet's take some more calls. Let's stay

540
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:32,080
Speaker 1: in New York.

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Speaker 4: Uh.

542
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Speaker 1: Brother Man two is online too, calling from New York City.

543
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Speaker 1: Brother Man two. Your thoughts, Brother Man two there online too, Kevin.

544
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Speaker 3: Yeah, he should be. He tends to mutias. All good

545
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:51,080
Speaker 3: morning man too.

546
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, go ahead, bro, we got you. You're on the air.

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Speaker 11: Yes, Grand Rising Hotel Arigani, Greetings to all, free the

548
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:03,680
Speaker 11: land and free the African mind.

549
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Speaker 4: Yeah. I was.

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Speaker 11: I appreciate the uh comments and insight by sister Fatima

551
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Speaker 11: and the brother from Detroit, the elder.

552
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Speaker 7: I just wanted to give my take on it.

553
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Speaker 11: I became aware of Brian Gumble through the television and sports,

554
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:33,000
Speaker 11: and what I observed, even before I knew a lot

555
00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 11: about him that he always advocated for the black athlete

556
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:41,120
Speaker 11: and the respect uh he his brother Brian Gumble who

557
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:46,360
Speaker 11: passed Greg Gumbles me who passed away recently, and another

558
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:52,200
Speaker 11: sports anchor by the name of James Brown he does

559
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:57,240
Speaker 11: the NFL. They I observed that they were always advocating

560
00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:03,640
Speaker 11: for proper and respectful uh language towards a black athlete.

561
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:08,080
Speaker 11: Like when the black baseball player would run and catch

562
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Speaker 11: the ball, the announcers would say, oh, he he he

563
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:20,000
Speaker 11: gingerly or he laxadatly caught the ball, and they would

564
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Speaker 11: point out such things and then why would the football

565
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Speaker 11: player when they make a play. The black athlete was

566
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Speaker 11: never getting credit for having intellect. So the thing I

567
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:35,280
Speaker 11: would associate with Brian Lumble and just brother Greg Gumbles,

568
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:38,520
Speaker 11: that they were part of that conversation to make us

569
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Speaker 11: away of the language and the level.

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Speaker 1: And oh that's all there. But that's that's a good

571
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:45,640
Speaker 1: point that you're making that they do that because you,

572
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Speaker 1: I don't think folks understand how it is in those

573
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Speaker 1: corporate suites. So you have to stand up and speak

574
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Speaker 1: for your people. You hear those putting all the innuendos

575
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:56,080
Speaker 1: are the other white folks are talking about us, and

576
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Speaker 1: you're sitting there and they're like talk because oh they

577
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Speaker 1: you're one of us. You're not like that, you know

578
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:03,280
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. And Brian as you mentioned as brother,

579
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Speaker 1: and Jim Brown now at CBS NFLT, they all know

580
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Speaker 1: they speak up, so people understand how that is. Sometimes

581
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 1: you're like a flying the or your own black person

582
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:16,400
Speaker 1: in the room when they have these these discussions before

583
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Speaker 1: you know, before the show prep, before they do the shows,

584
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Speaker 1: and they talk about black black athletes. We don't have

585
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Speaker 1: any intellect. We just you know, we just we just

586
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Speaker 1: do sports on instinct instinct. And that's basically how they

587
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:31,640
Speaker 1: feel about us on a broader level. So these announcers,

588
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 1: these anchors have to speak up. So I'm glad you've

589
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 1: made that point, man too, but let me I'll let

590
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 1: you finish your thought.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And they.

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Speaker 11: Didn't wait for the controversy to do so. I think

593
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Speaker 11: you remember Jimmy the Greek, the white shorts caster who

594
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Speaker 11: got outed for making some comments about you know, you know,

595
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Speaker 11: blacks have natural endowments to do sports, et cetera, et cetera.

596
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:58,000
Speaker 11: So they didn't wait for those controversies. They repeatedly, repeatedly

597
00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:00,320
Speaker 11: did that, especially in the way that they when they

598
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:03,960
Speaker 11: were reporting they did that. The second thing to build

599
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Speaker 11: on Sister Fatima's point about the class issue, and what

600
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Speaker 11: I recognized from early is that if you were in

601
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Speaker 11: the major centers of cities we at Los Angeles, be

602
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:20,560
Speaker 11: at Chicago, be it New York, that became the definition

603
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 11: of black culture, and that projected image of urban the

604
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 11: urban black person was part of the classes and that

605
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Speaker 11: Sister Fatima spoke about. Because we weren't aware of the

606
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Speaker 11: entire black community. We took our little slice, our branch

607
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Speaker 11: of the tree as the total tree, without understanding that

608
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 11: we are all part of a tree that extends with branches.

609
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:51,520
Speaker 11: We are one branch will become the dominant mode. So

610
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Speaker 11: whatever was popular in Hollywood, that would go and be

611
00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 11: the definition or the defining character what black culture is.

612
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:04,000
Speaker 11: Those who did not fit that because they weren't being promoted,

613
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Speaker 11: they weren't being advertised, that became suspect. That became a question.

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Speaker 1: Now to a hold up through right there, man too.

615
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 1: We got to check the news when we come back.

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Speaker 5: Though.

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Speaker 1: It's something that Sister Verhema also mentioned about the brulet,

618
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 1: the talented tenth or the upper crust in the black

619
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Speaker 1: community because some people like to knock them saying they

620
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Speaker 1: don't do enough for the rest of the community. I

621
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Speaker 1: want you address that when we come back. Also Charles

622
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Speaker 1: the third of DC's on Holdings and also TM and DC.

623
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Speaker 1: We're talking about black social strata right now this morning,

624
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 1: folks that are you know, we're using Brian Gumbles as

625
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Speaker 1: an example. What are your thoughts? Reach out to us

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Speaker 1: at eight hundred four five zero seventy eight seventy six,

627
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Speaker 1: and we're taking phone calls after the news that's next

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Speaker 1: and Grand Rising family, thanks for waking up with us

629
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:47,760
Speaker 1: on this Wednesday morning. So hump there, we're halfway through

630
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 1: the work week and we're just having a frank discussion

631
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:52,920
Speaker 1: about black society. What are your thoughts? And this was

632
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Speaker 1: prompted by the fact that Brian Gumble is in the

633
00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:59,960
Speaker 1: hospital and speedy recover to Brian and how he maneuver

634
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,400
Speaker 1: with his way in on the in the corporate level.

635
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 1: Some people think that, you know, that he was a

636
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 1: sellout and all this other stuff, but he wasn't that

637
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:08,759
Speaker 1: that's not the real Brian Gumble when he got ready

638
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:09,799
Speaker 1: to get ready to know him.

639
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Speaker 3: So that's what his family. His family says he's okay.

640
00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:14,399
Speaker 3: The doctor saying that he's going.

641
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Speaker 2: Seventy seven year old sportscaster uh was taken to the

642
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:22,960
Speaker 2: hospital at nine o'clock last night and he is being

643
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 2: reported as okay. There's no indication as what the emergency was,

644
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:29,600
Speaker 2: but he's okay.

645
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Speaker 1: All right, that's good to know. Well, be much better

646
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:35,719
Speaker 1: when when he's released. And you know right, I called

647
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:39,400
Speaker 1: that okay, Yeah, when you're back home in the hospital,

648
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:41,880
Speaker 1: it's no joke. Family sixteen away from the top of

649
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:45,560
Speaker 1: that man to finished his comment, though, let me remind

650
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Speaker 1: you Conor fro Late this morning, we're goenna speak with

651
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Speaker 1: the economists, doctor Julian Malveaux. Some of you don't know

652
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Speaker 1: doctor Malvaux for it's worth, it's one of our smartest

653
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:54,160
Speaker 1: sisters when it comes to the economy. She went to

654
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Speaker 1: m I T. She's going to be Also want to

655
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 1: hear from the sisters from a Black women for a

656
00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 1: positive change. They're going to preview their upcoming and a

657
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 1: month of non violence. Also, we're going to hear from

658
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:08,319
Speaker 1: archaeologist and educator doctor Cheryl Roach will be here. She's

659
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 1: working on new projects. He did a lot of work

660
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:13,920
Speaker 1: on the underground railroad. Tomorrow, Morgan State Professor University Professor,

661
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:15,719
Speaker 1: doctor Ray Wibersh is going to be here. Also, the

662
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:18,719
Speaker 1: Million Women's March is sister phil phil Ay. They're having

663
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Speaker 1: their anniversary. She's going to talk about that. And also

664
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:23,480
Speaker 1: DC actress doctor Hi Patterson will check in. So if

665
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 1: you are in Baltimore, make sure you keep your ready

666
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:28,040
Speaker 1: to tuned to ten ten WLB or if you're in

667
00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:31,080
Speaker 1: the DMV, we're on fourteen fifty w L and this

668
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:33,759
Speaker 1: is where information is power. All right, brother man too,

669
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Speaker 1: I'll let you finish your thoughts.

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Speaker 11: Yes, well, I appreciate it, and thanks for the update,

671
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:42,120
Speaker 11: and I hope that he continues to improve and you know,

672
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 11: take the necessary steps to maintaining this help. Being black

673
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 11: in this country is a one up tight rope between

674
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:57,759
Speaker 11: wellness and you know, not being well. So thanks for

675
00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:01,000
Speaker 11: the update and we sent for your sentiments as far

676
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:04,040
Speaker 11: as sending he and his family all the best, and

677
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 11: he continued to improve. When I became aware of Brian Gumble,

678
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:13,279
Speaker 11: it was also during the time of hip hop and

679
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:18,360
Speaker 11: it was an internal debate about how to express yourself

680
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:20,919
Speaker 11: as black, whether as a black person, whether we knew

681
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:23,880
Speaker 11: it or not. And we were critique and not just

682
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:26,880
Speaker 11: people like Brian Gumble. We were critique in Michael Jackson,

683
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 11: We were critique in Prince in the early stages. As

684
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 11: far as I remember when I became aware of hip hop,

685
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 11: that we wanted to express a vibe and a certain thing.

686
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:39,320
Speaker 11: And that's also contributed to divide and conquered because we

687
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:42,320
Speaker 11: didn't have a full understanding of what black culture is.

688
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 11: Black culture has many levels and many expressions. So Brian

689
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:50,839
Speaker 11: Gumble got caught up in that when he was when

690
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:52,839
Speaker 11: he came out, he was first married to a black

691
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Speaker 11: woman and then later on two thousand he ended up

692
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Speaker 11: barning a white woman, which I think he's still married today.

693
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:01,520
Speaker 11: And what we don't understand this, you know, a case

694
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Speaker 11: by case basis evaluation. At this stage of my life,

695
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:09,480
Speaker 11: I don't have I don't put revolutionary expectations on everybody.

696
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:13,480
Speaker 11: So not every person in the bulet is a setout.

697
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 11: You cannot say that because you would have to know

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00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:18,719
Speaker 11: every person in the boulet to make that statement, and

699
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 11: history shows us there's always outliers and anomalies, and all

700
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:26,960
Speaker 11: only expectation I have for someone like Brian Gumbel was

701
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Speaker 11: how did you do your job and how did you

702
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:32,719
Speaker 11: represent Black people? And from what I remember, and you

703
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:35,279
Speaker 11: can correct me if I'm wrong, I never felt that

704
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 11: he embarrassed black people. I never felt that he talked

705
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 11: down about black people. I always felt that he was

706
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:46,840
Speaker 11: always trying to uplift the black athlete and black issues

707
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 11: in a respectful way, to bring awareness and to bring

708
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 11: life to it. So that's what I evaluate him on,

709
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:58,040
Speaker 11: and that's what I take him as. So I'm not

710
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 11: going to constantly put my own expectations because we all

711
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:05,120
Speaker 11: have a different journey than we all have a walk. Well,

712
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:07,880
Speaker 11: like I said, I can definitely when I think of

713
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 11: Brian Clumble associate him listen with the elevation of black

714
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:16,000
Speaker 11: people and black issues and trying to expand our vision

715
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 11: from a limited understanding sports, always connecting sports to the

716
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:24,360
Speaker 11: larger social issues in society. And if that's true to

717
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:27,000
Speaker 11: its legacy, then that's all I can ask for him,

718
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:29,680
Speaker 11: for anyone else in that position and just move on,

719
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Speaker 11: all right.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Manchew, and thank you for sharing that too,

721
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Speaker 1: you know, especially when when you talked about UH, you

722
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 1: talked about the boulet because it only takes one person

723
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:43,080
Speaker 1: to act inappropriately, and they brand everybody is the same.

724
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:45,440
Speaker 1: It's just like you have a you have an interaction

725
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Speaker 1: with one person from from Nigeria and you you brand

726
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Speaker 1: all Africans. Well, an African told me this, so all

727
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:54,120
Speaker 1: afterns will be the same. So yeah, you're right, But

728
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Speaker 1: that's growth for people who are understanding understand how the

729
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:01,120
Speaker 1: mechanics have you know, have we deal with each other.

730
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Speaker 1: But thank you for sharing that man too from the top, Bacly, just.

731
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Speaker 11: Real quickly, here comes from a generation with the conversation

732
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Speaker 11: with not just how you deal with police and whatever,

733
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:15,920
Speaker 11: but the constant thing about uplifting the race. And I

734
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:18,920
Speaker 11: don't think people can really understand that his father was

735
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:21,960
Speaker 11: a judge and his mother was a city clerk. But

736
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Speaker 11: they'd come up that time of that UH integration and

737
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:30,279
Speaker 11: post integration where they knew that if you know, expectations

738
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:33,520
Speaker 11: and excellence had to be constantly exhibited because if they

739
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:35,640
Speaker 11: messed up, then they would close the door. That would

740
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:38,880
Speaker 11: close the door the users to close an excuse to

741
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:40,279
Speaker 11: close the door for other black people.

742
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Speaker 1: And we got some more folks on again, so man too.

743
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Speaker 1: I want to thank you for your time. Though ten

744
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:46,839
Speaker 1: minutes away from the top of Let's go to DC though,

745
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:49,759
Speaker 1: Charles the thirties waiting for us. He's online three grant

746
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:52,880
Speaker 1: rising Charles, your thoughts about this whole thing a.

747
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Speaker 12: Hotel, brother, Carl, and I appreciate you taking my call.

748
00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:00,920
Speaker 12: I just wanted a couple of things about, don't I

749
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:04,680
Speaker 12: first became aware of Gumble when he had the NBC

750
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:08,839
Speaker 12: show grand Stand, which was a sports show. It only

751
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:12,160
Speaker 12: lasted a year, but he did it with a white

752
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:16,200
Speaker 12: guy from my hometown who was a known racist, and

753
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:19,600
Speaker 12: our thoughts were, okay, there was no way that brother

754
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:22,480
Speaker 12: was going to work with this white guy. But I

755
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:26,360
Speaker 12: just wanted a guy Jack Buck, who did all the

756
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:29,239
Speaker 12: national programs, but it was known. But I wanted to

757
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:35,360
Speaker 12: point out on NBC as Jay mentioned how he pushed

758
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:38,920
Speaker 12: to go to Africa, and I don't think Jay mentioned

759
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:44,359
Speaker 12: about why he cried on National TV and the thing,

760
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:48,080
Speaker 12: and this always stayed with me. He cried when he

761
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:52,120
Speaker 12: was at Gory Island, the point of no Return, and

762
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:55,760
Speaker 12: it just hit him emotionally because he felt the pain

763
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:59,320
Speaker 12: of our people there, and so when I moved to

764
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Speaker 12: chicag I go in the eighties, which is where Brian

765
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:08,840
Speaker 12: was from on the South Side, but actually it's High Park.

766
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 12: But black folks there didn't hold him in any low

767
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 12: view of people spoke highly of Brian Gumbel in his

768
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:25,480
Speaker 12: family now his brother Greg, but people knew that Brian

769
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:27,200
Speaker 12: was a good brother.

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Speaker 5: So I say that too.

771
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:33,440
Speaker 12: And how sister Fatima took it off into the class issue,

772
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:37,560
Speaker 12: I think that's just another divider for black folks and

773
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:41,000
Speaker 12: to keep us separated. So even on your program, when

774
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:43,960
Speaker 12: I hear people talking about the buley or whatever, and

775
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:48,440
Speaker 12: I say that because really, if you look at the

776
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 12: real picture, and when you're talking about power and money,

777
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 12: it's very few of us. It's black folks. There are

778
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:59,440
Speaker 12: black folks who may have had the education as she mentioned,

779
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:03,120
Speaker 12: but when you started looking at the power and the

780
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:08,880
Speaker 12: ability to employ large number of black people and provide incomes,

781
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:12,080
Speaker 12: we don't really have that. So we get caught up.

782
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:12,839
Speaker 13: In about.

783
00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:18,040
Speaker 12: Arguing over who's in the bulet, who's not in the bulet,

784
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:21,560
Speaker 12: and we're just doing, as nearly Fuller would say, what

785
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:25,520
Speaker 12: the white supremists want us to do. Just stayed distracted there,

786
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:28,919
Speaker 12: but I just wanted to say Dumbles a good brother.

787
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 12: I think he demanded people treat him with respect, and

788
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:39,480
Speaker 12: I think that's where the problem came from other folks.

789
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:42,600
Speaker 12: He wasn't a black guy just saying I'm happy to

790
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:44,920
Speaker 12: be here. He's like, you're going to treat me a

791
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:48,759
Speaker 12: certain way, and it may have rubbed some people the

792
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:51,759
Speaker 12: wrong way. And then I'll finally say this, Yeah, I

793
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 12: was a little disappointed when the brother did married that

794
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:55,400
Speaker 12: white woman, but.

795
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Speaker 5: I don't know what to make of that.

796
00:42:57,800 --> 00:42:59,880
Speaker 7: That's his deal, and so I want to leave it.

797
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:02,279
Speaker 12: And I appreciate this show. Brother, Thanks a.

798
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 1: Lot, all right, and great observation, Charles on all which

799
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:09,200
Speaker 1: you said, Yeah, it's great observation because folks don't know

800
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:11,839
Speaker 1: because many of us are not in those situations where

801
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:14,399
Speaker 1: you sit in these corporate oppositions. You're the only black

802
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:17,759
Speaker 1: person there and they're talking down about us, but they

803
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 1: think that that you you you were one of them.

804
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:22,719
Speaker 1: You know, you're you're Clarence Thomas. So you agree with

805
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:26,640
Speaker 1: what they say, and oftentimes, you know, the people of

806
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:29,480
Speaker 1: the ills of Brian Gohm said, hey, no, that's not right.

807
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:31,239
Speaker 1: I'm not down with that now. We're not going to

808
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:33,480
Speaker 1: do that. And you have the power, and that's the thing.

809
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:36,400
Speaker 1: You have the power to reverse that and educate some

810
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:38,560
Speaker 1: of these some of these racistsms you have to deal

811
00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 1: with on the job. That's why we call it code switching,

812
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 1: you know, so he knows how to operate in the

813
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 1: corporate world. That's what Brian Gumbel did when he was

814
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:48,560
Speaker 1: at NBC. But thank you and again, hopefully a speedy

815
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:52,200
Speaker 1: recovery for Brian Gumble, who started this conversation eight hundred

816
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:54,359
Speaker 1: and four or five zero seventy eight to seventy six,

817
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:57,240
Speaker 1: six minutes away from the Tom Johnny's calling from Compton,

818
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Speaker 1: these online one, Johnny grand Rising, your thoughts about this

819
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 1: whole issue with with Brian Gumble in society, black society, if.

820
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:07,200
Speaker 5: You will, Hey, hey Grant writing everybody, and thanks for

821
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:11,080
Speaker 5: taking my call. I want to separate the Brian Gumble

822
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:15,279
Speaker 5: from the social strata. I think. I think the work

823
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:18,560
Speaker 5: that Brian Gombele did over probably over thirty years, excellent

824
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:21,960
Speaker 5: work and the impact that he made now when he

825
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:25,800
Speaker 5: gets to the social strata in the black community something

826
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:29,680
Speaker 5: that we're not talking about. To Carl, you send your

827
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:33,680
Speaker 5: child to school at eighteen years old college, and we've

828
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:38,480
Speaker 5: got these organizations that are going to put up some

829
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:42,960
Speaker 5: kind of litmus test to your child, often physical abuse,

830
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:46,920
Speaker 5: just so they can say they're an alpha or a

831
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:51,879
Speaker 5: que or whatever the other organizations are. And we've got

832
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:56,080
Speaker 5: to address that. And sometimes it takes Brian, a person

833
00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:58,880
Speaker 5: like Brian Gumble now being in hospital before we talk

834
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:01,480
Speaker 5: about it, because we're talking about it today. But we

835
00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:05,600
Speaker 5: have to address that because if our best and brighters

836
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:08,040
Speaker 5: are going to behave that way, then there's no hope

837
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:12,880
Speaker 5: for us, right, So I just wanted to bring that up.

838
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 5: So the whole brother Brian Gumble is okay. But as

839
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:22,920
Speaker 5: a community, if we're having that with our top future

840
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:27,279
Speaker 5: leaders and we've got twenty one year olds beating your

841
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:30,560
Speaker 5: child or putting them onto some kind of physical abuse

842
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:34,319
Speaker 5: to prove their blackness, we in trouble. Buddy. I'll holl

843
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:34,920
Speaker 5: at y'all later.

844
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:38,560
Speaker 1: All right, Thanks, Johnny, that's another perspective. Five away from

845
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:40,839
Speaker 1: the top of that. Let's keep going on. TM wants

846
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:43,480
Speaker 1: to join the conversation. He's going from Washington, DC and

847
00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:45,279
Speaker 1: he's online for Grand Rising. TM.

848
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:50,680
Speaker 7: Your thoughts, Yes, sir, good morning. Let me just say

849
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:55,040
Speaker 7: this sure what I'm listening to right now, as you remarkable,

850
00:45:55,520 --> 00:46:01,000
Speaker 7: we mean the body this portion of your show. I'm

851
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:05,880
Speaker 7: hands from black people. All right, man, it's remarkable what

852
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:09,719
Speaker 7: I'm hearing right now. I'm gonna keep my stuff short.

853
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:16,440
Speaker 7: Let me just say this fu wow. Let me say

854
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:19,239
Speaker 7: something about this Colt switching. Did I'm gonna ask you

855
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:19,880
Speaker 7: all the questions.

856
00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:22,800
Speaker 14: Did sways cold and switch?

857
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:24,600
Speaker 10: Huh?

858
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:26,000
Speaker 15: Now let me go to.

859
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:32,280
Speaker 7: Baringumma quickly. The Butther represents an army of woe.

860
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:35,360
Speaker 14: His work as a journalist.

861
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:42,319
Speaker 7: In America, overseas and another planet was extraordinary. And I'm

862
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:43,880
Speaker 7: gonna keep using that word.

863
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:47,879
Speaker 14: And then I'm gonna buy a quote from you call

864
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 14: what do you like to say?

865
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:52,600
Speaker 7: It's all we have?

866
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Speaker 6: And he was all we had?

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Speaker 14: Hbo he will u spn Before there was an aspa,

868
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Speaker 14: an army of one. Come on, people, come on, specially

869
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Speaker 14: just god here what what twenty years ago? Ron Gomber

870
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Speaker 14: was here way before then doing his.

871
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Speaker 7: Thing, him and his brothers another remember her of cross

872
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Speaker 7: you mentioned James Brown went to Harvey.

873
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Speaker 14: From DC, took them around even get what a lacal

874
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Speaker 14: sports yegue in DC. When they got in everybody's oh

875
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Speaker 14: that guy, and now they're saying he's a genius now

876
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Speaker 14: in terms of what he does. Now it's about getting

877
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:45,080
Speaker 14: the opportunity inclusion instead of what folks exclusion. That ain't

878
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Speaker 14: the symphy by saying, hold are all the commercials right now,

879
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:52,480
Speaker 14: Black Eagle. I meant to when it comes to sports

880
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Speaker 14: or do we see all the time? IRV Cross the comedian.

881
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Speaker 14: That's that's with Lebron. Oh now you thought rapos.

882
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Speaker 11: And we have a lot of steps caught up by

883
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Speaker 11: the traffic.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we got we got to stop here there because

885
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Speaker 1: we've got time.

886
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Speaker 14: But thank you, I'm here.

887
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it'll be in the barber shops this afternoon eight

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Speaker 1: hundred and four or five zero seventy eight is seventy

889
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Speaker 1: six three away from the top that ele mess. We

890
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Speaker 1: got to check the traffic and weather and our different cities.

891
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:32,880
Speaker 1: We'll come back with doctor l Roach next right here

892
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Speaker 1: on w O L and also w O L B

893
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Speaker 1: and Grand Rising family and that's Donne here O day

894
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Speaker 1: with It's a bit interesting conversation. This is Kevin started

895
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:45,520
Speaker 1: this conversation. We're talking about Brian Gumble who's now in

896
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Speaker 1: the hospital and hopefully you make a speedy recovery. As

897
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:51,840
Speaker 1: people were talking about Brian's demeanor, and I got to

898
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Speaker 1: respond to what TM says, we didn't know about code switching.

899
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:57,080
Speaker 1: We did do know about code switching. We just didn't

900
00:48:57,120 --> 00:48:59,480
Speaker 1: know what he was. If you remember the movie the

901
00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:02,080
Speaker 1: series Roots, you remember Fiddler because this is one of

902
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Speaker 1: the conversations I was hamry with Brian. Gumbley says, oh

903
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:06,960
Speaker 1: those are they may be Fiddler. Fiddler was was the

904
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Speaker 1: entertainer for the for the for the formosa for the slaves,

905
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Speaker 1: but he was one who also befended Kunta Kinte and

906
00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:17,359
Speaker 1: it was telling kuntak Inna how to play the game.

907
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:20,080
Speaker 1: And Kunte of course was hardcore African. Remember that the

908
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:23,360
Speaker 1: scene where what is your name? And he finally his

909
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:26,120
Speaker 1: name was Toby. Well, you know Fiddler was trying to

910
00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:27,560
Speaker 1: tell him, and that was Luke Gassi. I think he

911
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:29,560
Speaker 1: played that role. You don't have to take those women,

912
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:32,000
Speaker 1: just just act like you, you know, and fake these

913
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:34,719
Speaker 1: people out. So we know we knew back then, and

914
00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:38,759
Speaker 1: there's that was depicted in the in the series Roots

915
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:41,919
Speaker 1: were brothers and sisters know back then had a code switch.

916
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:44,160
Speaker 1: We just didn't have a term for it. But anyway,

917
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Speaker 1: I just want to clear that up. Eight hundred and

918
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Speaker 1: four or five zero seventy eight seventy six. Let's speak

919
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:52,000
Speaker 1: to our next guest, now happens to be a historian

920
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:54,919
Speaker 1: and archaeologist and one of our sponsors as well, doctor

921
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:57,400
Speaker 1: Cheryl L. Roach. Welcome back to the program, doctor.

922
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Speaker 10: Little Well, thank you for having me back. It's great

923
00:49:59,239 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 10: to be here.

924
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:04,719
Speaker 1: And you've done extensive research into the underground railroad. But

925
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:06,520
Speaker 1: now you've got a new project you want to share

926
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Speaker 1: with us.

927
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:09,040
Speaker 10: I do have a new project.

928
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Speaker 6: You know.

929
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Speaker 10: I'm thinking about code switching when you started to talk

930
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Speaker 10: about that, and this is like the ultimate code switching,

931
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:17,479
Speaker 10: you know. When I was here last, I talked about

932
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:20,040
Speaker 10: the Apostle of Liberation in Paul Quinn, which is my

933
00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:24,200
Speaker 10: latest book. But now we've decided, me and my collaborators

934
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Speaker 10: that we really want to look at children. We want

935
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:29,800
Speaker 10: to think about what can we do to kind of

936
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Speaker 10: bring children into this mindset about history. And so we

937
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:38,280
Speaker 10: have a graphic children's book series that we're putting together

938
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Speaker 10: called The Resurrectors, and it's a book series so that

939
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Speaker 10: children can be an eye witness to history. These are

940
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Speaker 10: true stories. So we look for these sort of underrepresented,

941
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:53,040
Speaker 10: sort of unknown stories around the underground railroad, and there

942
00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:56,160
Speaker 10: are lots of them, and we take those stories and

943
00:50:56,280 --> 00:50:58,440
Speaker 10: we put a little bit of a sci fi twist

944
00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:01,640
Speaker 10: on it so the kids themselves can time travel, so

945
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:05,520
Speaker 10: they can actually have like this sci fi adventure, go back,

946
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:09,359
Speaker 10: be empowered to witness the history and then come back

947
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Speaker 10: and bring it to the people and to present it

948
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Speaker 10: and say, hey, look this is this is something we

949
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Speaker 10: didn't know. And so we're trying to put the history

950
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Speaker 10: through the resurrectors in the hands of children. So that's

951
00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:24,600
Speaker 10: that's the sort of in a nutshell, you know, we

952
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:26,560
Speaker 10: can talk about it a little deep more deeply, but

953
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:30,000
Speaker 10: in a nutshell that's where we're going. And one of

954
00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:33,160
Speaker 10: the things we say is that you know, history is

955
00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:36,480
Speaker 10: your forbidden superpower and when you.

956
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Speaker 1: After the time, let me ask you this, doctor Larroch,

957
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:43,320
Speaker 1: can you use AI artificial intelligence? Can you recreate some

958
00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:45,920
Speaker 1: of our ancestors and what they did and so our

959
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:48,840
Speaker 1: children can see actually sort of feel and touch and

960
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:52,600
Speaker 1: have a better experience of what their pastor was like

961
00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:58,040
Speaker 1: and using AI having you speak and her image on

962
00:51:58,120 --> 00:52:00,400
Speaker 1: the screen, and they can you know, have conversations with them.

963
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:05,560
Speaker 10: Is use AI in particular, because I particularly for those

964
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:08,600
Speaker 10: people for whom we have images, you can take those

965
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Speaker 10: images and manipulate them. You can put words in their mouths.

966
00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:15,080
Speaker 10: You can do all of that with AI when you

967
00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:21,520
Speaker 10: have a virtual platform. So yes, and that is definitely

968
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Speaker 10: the direction that history is going in. But the more

969
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:28,360
Speaker 10: importantly when you don't have an image, but you have

970
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Speaker 10: a description, you can begin to compile things. You have

971
00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:33,880
Speaker 10: to let children know and let people know this is

972
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Speaker 10: not exactly what they look like. But yes, AI is there.

973
00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:40,320
Speaker 10: But I will warn you too, And I know we

974
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:42,560
Speaker 10: all know this, but I have to say it because

975
00:52:42,680 --> 00:52:47,520
Speaker 10: I can judge, particularly around Quinn, because I wrote the book.

976
00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:51,400
Speaker 10: AI sometimes gets it wrong. So don't just depend on

977
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:55,839
Speaker 10: AI's that that really is the message. But yes, from

978
00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:58,800
Speaker 10: a graphic point of view, we can take people, we

979
00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:02,000
Speaker 10: can make them younger, we can move them around, we

980
00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:05,160
Speaker 10: can put we can bring history to life through a

981
00:53:05,239 --> 00:53:08,400
Speaker 10: virtual platform. And that's important for kids to see.

982
00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:11,800
Speaker 1: All right, Well break it down for us with this

983
00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:13,680
Speaker 1: new project that you're working with.

984
00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:18,360
Speaker 10: So so you know, this is actually a Kickstarter campaign.

985
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:23,200
Speaker 10: So if you go to www Dot the Resurrectors and

986
00:53:23,239 --> 00:53:26,719
Speaker 10: I'm going to spell it r E s U R

987
00:53:27,239 --> 00:53:31,480
Speaker 10: R E C t O R S dot com. You're

988
00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:33,919
Speaker 10: going to see if you go to that page, you'll

989
00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:36,120
Speaker 10: see that there's a button to click through to Kickstarter,

990
00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:39,719
Speaker 10: which is a fundraising campaign. So we've decided, you know,

991
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:43,400
Speaker 10: I've been doing this work a long long time, and

992
00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:47,920
Speaker 10: we've decided that Kickstarter is the best way to achieve

993
00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:51,080
Speaker 10: our goal. We have to raise twenty thousand dollars in

994
00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:54,640
Speaker 10: twenty five days, and it's a gamble actually, I mean

995
00:53:54,719 --> 00:53:57,360
Speaker 10: the way Kickstarter works, it's either all or nothing. So

996
00:53:57,480 --> 00:54:00,640
Speaker 10: we're really putting ourselves on the line where on people

997
00:54:00,719 --> 00:54:03,839
Speaker 10: to buy the book, you can also donate, So we're

998
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:06,879
Speaker 10: counting on people to make donations because if we miss

999
00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:09,600
Speaker 10: our market and we fail to reach our goal, we

1000
00:54:09,719 --> 00:54:13,919
Speaker 10: get nothing. So we really are looking to community. We're

1001
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:17,080
Speaker 10: here to make this appeal to say, and this I

1002
00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:21,879
Speaker 10: think is important to think about at this present moment.

1003
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:24,040
Speaker 10: People are always saying what can I do? How can

1004
00:54:24,120 --> 00:54:27,080
Speaker 10: I help? This is a way to be active. You know,

1005
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:30,080
Speaker 10: activism looks different on different people, and this is a

1006
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:33,320
Speaker 10: way to support activism. You're supporting it with your platform

1007
00:54:33,719 --> 00:54:39,120
Speaker 10: and on the underground railroad. People supported the effort any

1008
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:42,160
Speaker 10: way they could. So if you were a seamstress, you

1009
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:45,960
Speaker 10: made clothes for people to take off those marks of slavery.

1010
00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:49,120
Speaker 10: If you were a cobbler, you made shoes. I'm a writer.

1011
00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:52,200
Speaker 10: I want to write and I want these children to

1012
00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:56,759
Speaker 10: understand that this is something that is important. We want

1013
00:54:56,800 --> 00:54:59,759
Speaker 10: to have creative control and Kickstarter if we raise our

1014
00:54:59,800 --> 00:55:03,640
Speaker 10: own funding and don't go through publishers, we can maintain

1015
00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:06,920
Speaker 10: some level of creative control. We can hold on to

1016
00:55:07,560 --> 00:55:11,080
Speaker 10: our ideas. We can do the things you suggest. You know,

1017
00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:13,760
Speaker 10: if we want to come back and turn these folks

1018
00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:17,680
Speaker 10: into living, speaking, you know, beings on virtual platform, we

1019
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:20,800
Speaker 10: can do that and with the support of the community

1020
00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:24,680
Speaker 10: to help us reach our moment, reach our goal. This

1021
00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:27,560
Speaker 10: is what we want to do. This is how we

1022
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:31,160
Speaker 10: have chosen to be active, to be to be freedom fighters.

1023
00:55:31,239 --> 00:55:34,719
Speaker 10: We want to connect directly with the readers. We want

1024
00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:37,520
Speaker 10: to connect directly with the kids, and we want to

1025
00:55:37,640 --> 00:55:40,920
Speaker 10: fund for illustrations because you know, the other side of

1026
00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:44,800
Speaker 10: AI and bringing people to life virtually is illustrations on

1027
00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:45,360
Speaker 10: the page.

1028
00:55:46,120 --> 00:55:47,760
Speaker 7: So we have to envision.

1029
00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:50,640
Speaker 10: We want people to really think about and see and

1030
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:53,920
Speaker 10: think about what we're talking about, and we have to

1031
00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:57,680
Speaker 10: fund the production process. So the Resurrectors is how we're

1032
00:55:57,800 --> 00:56:01,799
Speaker 10: thinking about this and how we've just that this would

1033
00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:05,959
Speaker 10: be an effective way to reach children, to reach young people,

1034
00:56:06,040 --> 00:56:09,560
Speaker 10: and frankly, really I'm hoping that it will reach adults too,

1035
00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:12,800
Speaker 10: because what I'm learning is that, you know, people just

1036
00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:17,200
Speaker 10: don't know these stories. They're not out there, and in

1037
00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:20,640
Speaker 10: this kind of environment, we have to be doubly careful

1038
00:56:21,160 --> 00:56:24,560
Speaker 10: that we get it out. So this kind of gamble

1039
00:56:24,600 --> 00:56:27,680
Speaker 10: that we're taking on Kickstarter and depending on the community

1040
00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:31,279
Speaker 10: and depending on our networks and our resources to kind

1041
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:34,239
Speaker 10: of come back and fund this thing, this is what

1042
00:56:34,560 --> 00:56:37,719
Speaker 10: we're hoping to do. And this you know, and thank

1043
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:41,080
Speaker 10: you for being a part of this campaign and letting

1044
00:56:41,200 --> 00:56:44,400
Speaker 10: us come in and make this appeal because it's important.

1045
00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:48,200
Speaker 10: And I think that when we get to ask our

1046
00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:53,680
Speaker 10: own questions, when we get to talk about ourselves in

1047
00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:57,279
Speaker 10: the ways in which we know who we are, I

1048
00:56:57,360 --> 00:57:00,319
Speaker 10: think it's deeply powerful and I think it's very moving,

1049
00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:03,239
Speaker 10: and I think it's impactful. So that's that's where we

1050
00:57:03,360 --> 00:57:05,520
Speaker 10: are and that's what the you know, that's what our

1051
00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:06,560
Speaker 10: effort is all about.

1052
00:57:07,560 --> 00:57:11,759
Speaker 16: So go to the Resurrection twelve minutes and donate or

1053
00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:14,879
Speaker 16: Bible all right twelve after top of that with doctor

1054
00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:17,400
Speaker 16: Leoach and she's got a new project that those of

1055
00:57:17,480 --> 00:57:18,480
Speaker 16: you have heard her before.

1056
00:57:18,560 --> 00:57:22,680
Speaker 1: She's done extensive research into the underground railroad. So doctor

1057
00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:25,680
Speaker 1: le Roach tell us how does kickstart of work? Though

1058
00:57:26,200 --> 00:57:28,959
Speaker 1: keep mentioning Kickstart just to have no idea how it works.

1059
00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:30,560
Speaker 1: Explain to us how it works.

1060
00:57:30,840 --> 00:57:34,080
Speaker 10: So Kickstarter is a is a fundraising campaign. And when

1061
00:57:34,120 --> 00:57:37,480
Speaker 10: you go to the resurrectors dot com, that's our landing page,

1062
00:57:37,840 --> 00:57:40,320
Speaker 10: and we have a button that clicks you over to Kickstarter,

1063
00:57:40,560 --> 00:57:43,880
Speaker 10: or you can go straight to Kickstarter and then type

1064
00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:46,960
Speaker 10: in the resurrectors dot com. The way it works is

1065
00:57:47,120 --> 00:57:51,280
Speaker 10: that you know, communities donate, communities give money on communities

1066
00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:55,360
Speaker 10: buy your product. And that's one way it works. And

1067
00:57:55,600 --> 00:57:59,680
Speaker 10: you have we chose a month. You have one month

1068
00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:03,080
Speaker 10: to raise your funds. So you set your own goal.

1069
00:58:03,240 --> 00:58:05,040
Speaker 10: If you think you can raise x amount of money,

1070
00:58:05,080 --> 00:58:06,440
Speaker 10: that's the amount of money you put in there. So

1071
00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:09,080
Speaker 10: we set a goal of twenty thousand dollars because that's

1072
00:58:09,160 --> 00:58:11,800
Speaker 10: what we need to get this project off the ground.

1073
00:58:12,200 --> 00:58:14,680
Speaker 10: If you believe in what we're saying, if you believe

1074
00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:17,640
Speaker 10: in really moving history forward, if you believe in presenting

1075
00:58:17,720 --> 00:58:21,320
Speaker 10: things for kids that really are impactful and away from

1076
00:58:21,400 --> 00:58:26,320
Speaker 10: some of the it's just a way to empower our kids.

1077
00:58:26,680 --> 00:58:28,640
Speaker 10: And so if you believe in that, then you go

1078
00:58:28,760 --> 00:58:32,440
Speaker 10: to Kickstarter. Once you get to the Kickstarter landing page,

1079
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Speaker 10: they'll ask you to sign in and donate, and so

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00:58:36,640 --> 00:58:39,320
Speaker 10: that's or to buy or to purchase a book, and

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00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:44,320
Speaker 10: we have several piers of books. But Kickstarter says, if

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00:58:44,360 --> 00:58:47,120
Speaker 10: you meet your goal, all the money is yours and

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00:58:47,240 --> 00:58:49,959
Speaker 10: goes to your campaign and your project. If you don't

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00:58:50,040 --> 00:58:53,440
Speaker 10: meet your goal, you don't get any money, and the

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Speaker 10: money goes back.

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Speaker 7: And so we have to.

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Speaker 10: Deliver on what we say we're doing, and you have

1088
00:58:58,800 --> 00:59:02,120
Speaker 10: to believe and what you're doing to even go to Kickstarter,

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00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:06,560
Speaker 10: because you know it's all or nothing, and so we're

1090
00:59:06,640 --> 00:59:10,040
Speaker 10: here where and that's why we're grateful to you, because

1091
00:59:10,080 --> 00:59:11,880
Speaker 10: it's all or nothing and we know that. And we

1092
00:59:12,040 --> 00:59:14,000
Speaker 10: have to get out and reach the listener. We have

1093
00:59:14,160 --> 00:59:16,120
Speaker 10: to get out and reach the community. We have to

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00:59:16,200 --> 00:59:20,240
Speaker 10: get out and reach parents and grandparents and people who teach,

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00:59:20,360 --> 00:59:23,920
Speaker 10: and librarians and anyone who has access to kids and

1096
00:59:23,960 --> 00:59:27,040
Speaker 10: who want them to thrive and be empowered by really

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00:59:27,480 --> 00:59:30,520
Speaker 10: having books in their hands that really tell them a

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00:59:30,720 --> 00:59:34,240
Speaker 10: different kind of story. And that's how.

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Speaker 1: Roach Can you tell us about some of the characters

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00:59:38,200 --> 00:59:39,680
Speaker 1: or some of the issues that you're going to be

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Speaker 1: in these books that you're going to be providing for

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Speaker 1: our children.

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Speaker 10: Well, yeah, you know, I don't want to give away

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00:59:45,880 --> 00:59:49,240
Speaker 10: the plot too much, but you know, I would say that,

1105
00:59:49,320 --> 00:59:53,160
Speaker 10: you know, after thirty plus years of archaeological and historical

1106
00:59:53,280 --> 00:59:59,160
Speaker 10: work covering the Underground Railroad, I started to realize that

1107
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Speaker 10: people that I have been working with and know all about,

1108
01:00:02,520 --> 01:00:05,240
Speaker 10: and my colleagues too, anybody in this field, we know

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01:00:05,360 --> 01:00:07,720
Speaker 10: all these names. But when I would get out and

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01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:12,280
Speaker 10: talk to people more generally, I would find that after

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Speaker 10: Harriet Tubman, or after Frederick Douglas, maybe Margaret Garnet, people

1112
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Speaker 10: didn't know these what I think of these giants in

1113
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Speaker 10: my world. You know, I'm sort of living in the

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Speaker 10: nineteenth nineteenth century sometimes, but really, these are the kinds

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Speaker 10: of people we want to bring to life. And so

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Speaker 10: the first person that the Resurrectors goes back and engages

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Speaker 10: with as an eyewitness to history is Henry Highland Garnett.

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01:00:42,040 --> 01:00:43,760
Speaker 10: I don't know if you've heard of him. This that's

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Speaker 10: someone name that you knew. Most of the people that

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Speaker 10: I've talked to had not heard of him, and so

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Speaker 10: he's our first one.

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Speaker 1: So help us out here for the folks who like

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Speaker 1: my shelf, we've never heard of Henry Highland Garnet.

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Speaker 7: Who is it?

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Speaker 6: I just he is.

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Speaker 10: I'm just going to say to me. He's a Malcolm

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Speaker 10: X of his day. And I suspect that maybe one

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Speaker 10: of the reasons why you don't know about him is

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01:01:08,480 --> 01:01:15,680
Speaker 10: because his motto was let your motto be resistance. He

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01:01:16,040 --> 01:01:20,960
Speaker 10: was all about resistance, resistance, resistance, and so to take

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01:01:21,040 --> 01:01:26,000
Speaker 10: Henry Highland Garnett, he has a powerful story from the

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Speaker 10: time he was a child to the time he died.

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Speaker 10: And so what I really appreciated one of the reasons

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Speaker 10: why I chose Garnett first. I had a lot of

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Speaker 10: people to choose from them. I know people probably know

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Speaker 10: very little about but Garnett was first because I could

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01:01:41,640 --> 01:01:45,200
Speaker 10: take his story from his childhood to his death, and

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01:01:45,360 --> 01:01:47,919
Speaker 10: that for me was a big deal. I mean, he's

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01:01:48,280 --> 01:01:53,120
Speaker 10: very very well known inside of underground railroad stories and

1140
01:01:53,400 --> 01:01:54,840
Speaker 10: you know, I'm gonna be a little koy here and

1141
01:01:54,960 --> 01:01:56,840
Speaker 10: say when the book comes out, I would love for

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01:01:56,920 --> 01:01:58,480
Speaker 10: you to read all about him in the book, and

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01:01:58,640 --> 01:02:01,360
Speaker 10: let that be your journey of the discovery. Let the

1144
01:02:01,480 --> 01:02:04,600
Speaker 10: resurrectors do what its work is supposed to do. Let

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01:02:04,680 --> 01:02:09,040
Speaker 10: it resurrect him and his story for you, so you

1146
01:02:09,120 --> 01:02:10,960
Speaker 10: know you can look him up. I'm sure, but you know,

1147
01:02:11,560 --> 01:02:15,320
Speaker 10: be a little patient let us bring the story to you.

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Speaker 10: He's one of those right here, Doctor la.

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Speaker 1: Roche, we gotta step aside for a few moments. We

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Speaker 1: come back though. Explain to us why you think that

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01:02:22,320 --> 01:02:25,920
Speaker 1: Henry Highland Garnett has not been a celebrated as much

1152
01:02:25,960 --> 01:02:31,080
Speaker 1: as say, like Frederick Douglass or Hart Tubman. Why many

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01:02:31,160 --> 01:02:33,120
Speaker 1: of us are listening this morning, probably hearing his name

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01:02:33,160 --> 01:02:36,680
Speaker 1: for the first time. Why is that happening? So I'll

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01:02:36,720 --> 01:02:38,480
Speaker 1: let you explain that when we get back. Family, you

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01:02:38,600 --> 01:02:41,560
Speaker 1: two join that conversation with doctor le Roche. Doctor Roach

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01:02:41,680 --> 01:02:44,560
Speaker 1: is an archaeologist. He's also a historian. As I mentioned,

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01:02:44,600 --> 01:02:46,800
Speaker 1: you did extensive work. We heard her before about the

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01:02:46,880 --> 01:02:49,720
Speaker 1: underground railroad. Time. She's got a new product she's working

1160
01:02:49,760 --> 01:02:51,280
Speaker 1: on trying to get some of these some of this

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01:02:51,400 --> 01:02:53,760
Speaker 1: information to our children, what are your thoughts? Eight hundred

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01:02:53,800 --> 01:02:56,640
Speaker 1: four five zero seventy eight seventy six will take your

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Speaker 1: phone calls and grand Rising family, thanks for waking up

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01:02:59,400 --> 01:03:01,760
Speaker 1: with us on this Wednesday morning, the hump Day. It

1165
01:03:01,840 --> 01:03:03,640
Speaker 1: means we're halfway through the work week of our guest

1166
01:03:03,800 --> 01:03:07,720
Speaker 1: is our colchis and historian uh uh, doctor Cheryl L.

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01:03:07,880 --> 01:03:10,080
Speaker 1: Roach and she's got a new project she's working on

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01:03:10,160 --> 01:03:12,360
Speaker 1: to get these books to our young people. And also

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Speaker 1: a man by the name of Garnet. I've never heard

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01:03:15,760 --> 01:03:18,480
Speaker 1: of this man, and and you got to share some

1171
01:03:18,600 --> 01:03:21,560
Speaker 1: information and tell us first before we share some information

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01:03:21,640 --> 01:03:23,920
Speaker 1: about it why she's not well known like a Frederick

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Speaker 1: Douglass and a Harried Tubbans Simar.

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Speaker 10: Sure. Well, first, let me just reiterate that we're putting

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Speaker 10: him in a book series called The Resurrectors, and if

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Speaker 10: you want to help us, it's at www dot the

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Speaker 10: Resurrectors dot com and I'm going to spell it t

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Speaker 10: G the Resurrectors r E S U R R E

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Speaker 10: C t O r s dot com. We chose Henry

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Speaker 10: Hiland Garnett for a number of reasons, as I said previously,

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Speaker 10: because we have a full story of him, because we

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01:03:56,480 --> 01:04:00,760
Speaker 10: understand just how powerful his message is. I mean, he's

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01:04:00,800 --> 01:04:04,880
Speaker 10: an ambulitionist, he is a minister, he's an educator, he's

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Speaker 10: a diplomat. For heaven's sakes, I mean, he's very early

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01:04:08,360 --> 01:04:10,760
Speaker 10: in all of these things. He's the first black person

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01:04:10,880 --> 01:04:13,800
Speaker 10: to speak on the floor of Congress, and so all

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Speaker 10: of those things make him a powerful subject. So we

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01:04:17,280 --> 01:04:20,200
Speaker 10: can really move him through and talk about him in

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Speaker 10: ways in which maybe children have never thought about a

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Speaker 10: black man in the nineteenth century. You know, not all,

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Speaker 10: but certainly this image of the enslaved African American is

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Speaker 10: just one image. I'm working with people who are fighting

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Speaker 10: for their freedom and working for people, with people like Garnett,

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Speaker 10: who really are out front, who are vocal, who are

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Speaker 10: in these opposition and environments the same way we are,

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Speaker 10: who look to justice. He looks to fairness when he's

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Speaker 10: a kid, because the justice kind of looks like fairness

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Speaker 10: when you're a child. He looks to all of this,

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Speaker 10: and when you see and read about him, he is fearless.

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Speaker 10: You ask me why we might not know about him,

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01:05:06,600 --> 01:05:08,200
Speaker 10: and why we don't know about him. I've been a

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01:05:08,280 --> 01:05:12,640
Speaker 10: little surprised because you're not alone. Most people don't know

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01:05:12,800 --> 01:05:17,320
Speaker 10: who he is. Most people that I as I mentioned him,

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01:05:17,920 --> 01:05:20,640
Speaker 10: I usually expect people to say, oh yeah, people don't

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01:05:20,640 --> 01:05:24,040
Speaker 10: do that. They don't know who he is. And part

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01:05:24,120 --> 01:05:28,600
Speaker 10: of that is because he never wrote his own biography.

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01:05:29,400 --> 01:05:32,600
Speaker 10: And what I'm finding increasingly, just like Paul Quinn, if

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01:05:32,640 --> 01:05:36,000
Speaker 10: you don't write your biography, there's less for us to

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01:05:36,120 --> 01:05:38,400
Speaker 10: go on when we come back as a historian to

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01:05:38,480 --> 01:05:42,840
Speaker 10: write about you. So that's one Frederick Douglas is prolific

1211
01:05:42,920 --> 01:05:46,360
Speaker 10: in writing about himself. Harriet Tubman Lee's more than one

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01:05:46,480 --> 01:05:50,680
Speaker 10: narrative of her life, and both of them are heavily

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Speaker 10: photographed in the nineteenth century. They leave their mark. Henry

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01:05:55,800 --> 01:05:58,520
Speaker 10: Heiland Garnett is busy doing the work, and so I

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01:05:58,600 --> 01:06:01,680
Speaker 10: think that that's part of it. Other people write about him,

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01:06:01,920 --> 01:06:04,600
Speaker 10: but he doesn't write about himself. And then towards the

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01:06:04,680 --> 01:06:07,920
Speaker 10: end of his life he actually goes to Liberia. And

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01:06:08,080 --> 01:06:13,919
Speaker 10: so he's a man who is so radical that when

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01:06:14,080 --> 01:06:20,800
Speaker 10: he first proposes his you know, his resistance talk, what

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Speaker 10: does he call it? He has something that he addresses

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01:06:23,640 --> 01:06:25,680
Speaker 10: the slaves. He's kind of like David Walker, which is

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Speaker 10: another powerful name. I hope people know and so Garnett

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01:06:30,360 --> 01:06:33,840
Speaker 10: is actually a little too radical for the people around

1224
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Speaker 10: him because he is giving the nineteenth century version of

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01:06:38,400 --> 01:06:43,000
Speaker 10: any means necessary, do what you have to do to

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Speaker 10: bring about an end to this beast we call slavery,

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Speaker 10: do whatever it takes. And he did not stop at

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Speaker 10: armed resistance, and he was an armed resist This is

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Speaker 10: a tough story to put out there when you're trying

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01:06:59,760 --> 01:07:02,240
Speaker 10: to show that you know, people are happy in singing

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01:07:02,360 --> 01:07:05,400
Speaker 10: and they please with their plays. Gordnett has having none

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01:07:05,440 --> 01:07:10,520
Speaker 10: of it, none of it. So that's why I think

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01:07:10,640 --> 01:07:14,200
Speaker 10: he's a powerful person to begin with, and it's a

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01:07:14,320 --> 01:07:17,120
Speaker 10: challenge to present him in a way that is acceptable

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Speaker 10: for children, so that we can really he's a minister,

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Speaker 10: and so he's got these sort of aspects and facets

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Speaker 10: to his life that are interesting to explore. But he's

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Speaker 10: not one of the he's not ame, he's not Baptist.

1239
01:07:34,400 --> 01:07:37,439
Speaker 10: He is what we called, this is the term from

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Speaker 10: the time period. He's a colored Presbyterian. So there's a

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01:07:41,400 --> 01:07:48,200
Speaker 10: whole section of Presbyterianism that is black. And so he

1242
01:07:48,400 --> 01:07:51,720
Speaker 10: comes out of that tradition and out of the New

1243
01:07:51,800 --> 01:07:55,640
Speaker 10: York tradition and leads the Presbyterian Church, and he leads

1244
01:07:55,640 --> 01:07:58,360
Speaker 10: a White church for a while too, So he's a

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01:07:58,720 --> 01:08:04,600
Speaker 10: very very interesting figure. And he has a dynamic childhood

1246
01:08:04,920 --> 01:08:08,120
Speaker 10: and his parents and his family escape on the underground railroad,

1247
01:08:08,160 --> 01:08:11,120
Speaker 10: which is how I if I'm talking about anybody, it's

1248
01:08:11,160 --> 01:08:14,560
Speaker 10: because they have escaped on the underground railroad. They have

1249
01:08:14,800 --> 01:08:19,920
Speaker 10: seized the moment to get their freedom by any means necessary.

1250
01:08:20,160 --> 01:08:23,519
Speaker 10: So sometimes it's under their own power. Sometimes I'm looking

1251
01:08:23,560 --> 01:08:26,360
Speaker 10: at people who escape with the British during the American Revolution.

1252
01:08:26,840 --> 01:08:32,479
Speaker 10: I look at people who are conductors. If you, if

1253
01:08:32,600 --> 01:08:37,320
Speaker 10: your choice is to go for your physical freedom, I

1254
01:08:37,479 --> 01:08:41,519
Speaker 10: study you. And Garnett turns out to be just the

1255
01:08:41,760 --> 01:08:47,880
Speaker 10: perfect example. I think for kids, we have his grandfather's story,

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01:08:48,520 --> 01:08:53,120
Speaker 10: we have his father's story, we have his story, we

1257
01:08:53,320 --> 01:08:57,519
Speaker 10: have his family story. And he has some very powerful

1258
01:08:57,600 --> 01:09:01,960
Speaker 10: friends who are at who his friends friends with as kids,

1259
01:09:02,600 --> 01:09:06,120
Speaker 10: and they grow up it to be powerful abolitionists in

1260
01:09:06,200 --> 01:09:11,400
Speaker 10: their own right. So he's got this really sweeping, dynamic,

1261
01:09:12,160 --> 01:09:16,040
Speaker 10: powerful story. And he's on the floor of Congress. He's

1262
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Speaker 10: the first black person. You know, we were barred from

1263
01:09:18,520 --> 01:09:22,120
Speaker 10: coming into Congress for a long time. He's the first

1264
01:09:22,160 --> 01:09:25,800
Speaker 10: black person to speak on the floor of Congress. So

1265
01:09:26,120 --> 01:09:28,920
Speaker 10: I mean all of those things I could, I could

1266
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Speaker 10: go on.

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Speaker 1: But though doctor Larroche in twenty six minutes had the

1268
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Speaker 1: top down family just joined us. This is doctor Schelle Larocchi,

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Speaker 1: you know, or as a historian, also archaeologist and known

1270
01:09:40,960 --> 01:09:43,439
Speaker 1: for her work in the Underground Railroad, introducing us to

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Speaker 1: another character that many of you probably didn't know. I

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01:09:45,560 --> 01:09:48,000
Speaker 1: did not know. I've never heard of Henry Hyland Garnett

1273
01:09:48,720 --> 01:09:51,120
Speaker 1: his story. Why do you think his story was so bad?

1274
01:09:51,280 --> 01:09:54,080
Speaker 1: Was that intentional or or is it just you know,

1275
01:09:54,280 --> 01:09:57,680
Speaker 1: just probably one of the many faces of black resistance

1276
01:09:57,720 --> 01:10:02,120
Speaker 1: folks that just didn't make it consciousness after all these decades.

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Speaker 10: Well, I'm a little surprised at this point to realize

1278
01:10:08,000 --> 01:10:13,280
Speaker 10: the extent that people don't know who he is. I just,

1279
01:10:13,400 --> 01:10:15,000
Speaker 10: you know, I know all these people. I've known him

1280
01:10:15,040 --> 01:10:17,320
Speaker 10: for probably twenty or thirty years, and so it just

1281
01:10:17,560 --> 01:10:20,120
Speaker 10: never occurred to me that he wasn't a household name.

1282
01:10:21,600 --> 01:10:27,800
Speaker 10: And so I think number one, someone a writer has

1283
01:10:27,920 --> 01:10:32,280
Speaker 10: to pick up the person and bring their story forward.

1284
01:10:33,200 --> 01:10:37,719
Speaker 10: His story has been forwarded inside of the academic community.

1285
01:10:38,200 --> 01:10:41,040
Speaker 10: But you know, I bridge the academic community. I come

1286
01:10:41,160 --> 01:10:45,160
Speaker 10: outside and talk to the public. And so I now

1287
01:10:45,320 --> 01:10:48,240
Speaker 10: realize that part of my job as a resurrector, I'm

1288
01:10:48,280 --> 01:10:52,040
Speaker 10: considering myself, you know, one of the resurrectors, because I

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Speaker 10: have to bring these stories out from underneath the specific

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01:10:58,520 --> 01:11:01,640
Speaker 10: places where they live, side of the academy, inside of

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01:11:01,760 --> 01:11:05,160
Speaker 10: underground railroad literature, and give them his gifts to the

1292
01:11:05,280 --> 01:11:08,679
Speaker 10: public and the resurrectors, the kids are doing the same

1293
01:11:08,800 --> 01:11:11,960
Speaker 10: thing that I had to do to bring Garnett to life.

1294
01:11:12,520 --> 01:11:16,360
Speaker 10: And so when I realize now that people don't know

1295
01:11:16,479 --> 01:11:19,599
Speaker 10: who he is and never hurt, never heard his name,

1296
01:11:20,680 --> 01:11:25,040
Speaker 10: I realized for myself, I mean, this isn't awakening for me,

1297
01:11:25,600 --> 01:11:28,240
Speaker 10: how much work there is to be done. I think

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01:11:28,360 --> 01:11:33,000
Speaker 10: that he's a touchy subject to handle. You gotta finesse him.

1299
01:11:33,080 --> 01:11:35,560
Speaker 10: You can't just put him out there. You kind of

1300
01:11:35,680 --> 01:11:40,200
Speaker 10: have to. I don't want to say that. You have

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01:11:40,400 --> 01:11:43,240
Speaker 10: to present him in a way that people can receive him.

1302
01:11:44,000 --> 01:11:46,960
Speaker 10: That's what I would say. And perhaps people have just

1303
01:11:47,040 --> 01:11:50,320
Speaker 10: stayed away from him. And Douglas is so much easier.

1304
01:11:50,680 --> 01:11:54,160
Speaker 10: Douglas is prolific. He leaves all these writings, he leaves

1305
01:11:54,240 --> 01:11:58,080
Speaker 10: all these images. Harriet Tubman is easier Henry having Garnett

1306
01:11:58,200 --> 01:12:01,439
Speaker 10: is not easy, you know, to dig to get his story,

1307
01:12:01,800 --> 01:12:05,719
Speaker 10: because he doesn't leave you a roadmap into his life.

1308
01:12:06,200 --> 01:12:08,000
Speaker 10: And I think it's a lesson for all of us

1309
01:12:08,080 --> 01:12:10,960
Speaker 10: that we really have to kind of lay out who

1310
01:12:11,040 --> 01:12:14,360
Speaker 10: we are. We have to let people know. And with Garnet,

1311
01:12:15,240 --> 01:12:17,720
Speaker 10: you know, I'm carrying the banner for all of these

1312
01:12:18,040 --> 01:12:21,680
Speaker 10: forgotten heroes, all of these unsung people who are not

1313
01:12:22,200 --> 01:12:25,960
Speaker 10: just erased and buried. You know, sometimes you're forgotten, sometimes

1314
01:12:26,040 --> 01:12:30,439
Speaker 10: you're erased, but sometimes you're ignored. And I think in

1315
01:12:30,680 --> 01:12:35,560
Speaker 10: Garnett's case, he was ignored. And if you look, you know,

1316
01:12:35,920 --> 01:12:40,040
Speaker 10: any book on black abolitionism, he's right there. But people

1317
01:12:40,360 --> 01:12:44,680
Speaker 10: don't go deep into the subject. And there haven't been

1318
01:12:44,720 --> 01:12:48,160
Speaker 10: any movies made about him. There haven't been any places

1319
01:12:48,200 --> 01:12:50,839
Speaker 10: where he's been brought before the public in the places

1320
01:12:50,880 --> 01:12:54,280
Speaker 10: where the public engages with history. So if you go

1321
01:12:54,360 --> 01:12:57,080
Speaker 10: to an underground railroad museum, you're going to see Henry

1322
01:12:57,120 --> 01:12:59,840
Speaker 10: Holland Garnet. But if you don't go to one of

1323
01:13:00,040 --> 01:13:03,600
Speaker 10: those places where that's not your thing, then I and

1324
01:13:03,800 --> 01:13:06,400
Speaker 10: we have to bring these things to you and say,

1325
01:13:06,520 --> 01:13:09,880
Speaker 10: you know what, to use a very very old phrase,

1326
01:13:09,920 --> 01:13:12,080
Speaker 10: we got to pull your coat tail and say, you

1327
01:13:12,200 --> 01:13:14,760
Speaker 10: know what you need to know about this man. You

1328
01:13:14,920 --> 01:13:18,280
Speaker 10: need to understand who he was. We have something to

1329
01:13:18,640 --> 01:13:22,439
Speaker 10: learn from him, and these kids and the resurrectors have

1330
01:13:22,720 --> 01:13:27,280
Speaker 10: something to learn from Henry Highland Garnett, and from all

1331
01:13:27,400 --> 01:13:30,240
Speaker 10: of these people who escape on the underground railroad. When

1332
01:13:30,240 --> 01:13:32,640
Speaker 10: you talk about code switching, I mean, this is the

1333
01:13:32,760 --> 01:13:36,280
Speaker 10: ultimate code switch. You's kidding. So these are the things

1334
01:13:36,320 --> 01:13:38,760
Speaker 10: that we want kids to be able to understand that

1335
01:13:39,080 --> 01:13:43,680
Speaker 10: to survive any situation, you have to be able to

1336
01:13:43,840 --> 01:13:47,360
Speaker 10: operate in ways that will get you well further your

1337
01:13:47,439 --> 01:13:51,320
Speaker 10: effort in whatever situation you're in. You don't you know,

1338
01:13:51,560 --> 01:13:56,640
Speaker 10: we have to be we have to be aware of

1339
01:13:56,720 --> 01:13:59,360
Speaker 10: what is needed at the moment and be able to

1340
01:13:59,520 --> 01:14:06,080
Speaker 10: deliver it. And for Garnet, he was actually pushing against

1341
01:14:06,760 --> 01:14:10,479
Speaker 10: so much of what was happening in society during his time,

1342
01:14:11,360 --> 01:14:13,800
Speaker 10: and he pushed against it in ways that people thought

1343
01:14:13,800 --> 01:14:18,000
Speaker 10: were particularly back when slavery was enforced. And here's this

1344
01:14:18,200 --> 01:14:21,960
Speaker 10: man saying no, no, no, no, you have to resist. Resist.

1345
01:14:22,280 --> 01:14:26,080
Speaker 10: That mean, let your model be resistance. We could use

1346
01:14:26,160 --> 01:14:29,160
Speaker 10: that today. We could put that on a sign and

1347
01:14:29,320 --> 01:14:33,080
Speaker 10: walk around with it. Let your model be resistance. That

1348
01:14:33,520 --> 01:14:36,080
Speaker 10: is what he is known for. And can you imagine

1349
01:14:36,120 --> 01:14:38,040
Speaker 10: that there would be people who wouldn't want to touch

1350
01:14:38,120 --> 01:14:41,320
Speaker 10: that if they were writing about the historical figure. And

1351
01:14:41,520 --> 01:14:44,800
Speaker 10: for me to write about him for children, I have

1352
01:14:45,000 --> 01:14:47,880
Speaker 10: to present him in a way that shows that this

1353
01:14:48,080 --> 01:14:51,479
Speaker 10: is a powerful man who grows up to be one

1354
01:14:51,560 --> 01:14:55,840
Speaker 10: of the most respected orators in the country. But the

1355
01:14:55,960 --> 01:14:59,920
Speaker 10: other thing about Garnett is he's actually we would call

1356
01:15:00,240 --> 01:15:03,840
Speaker 10: in this day and age disabled, So he's lost a

1357
01:15:03,960 --> 01:15:08,679
Speaker 10: leg and so he's doing all this with one leg

1358
01:15:09,000 --> 01:15:13,040
Speaker 10: and an amputated leg from an accident. So he's got

1359
01:15:13,240 --> 01:15:17,960
Speaker 10: a lot of challenges that he has to overcome. And

1360
01:15:18,080 --> 01:15:21,200
Speaker 10: then the story of the Resurrectors, excuse me, In the

1361
01:15:21,240 --> 01:15:24,120
Speaker 10: Story of the Resurrectors, you will see how much he

1362
01:15:24,200 --> 01:15:25,000
Speaker 10: has to overcome.

1363
01:15:26,680 --> 01:15:28,519
Speaker 1: All right, hold, I thought right there, twenty eight away

1364
01:15:28,520 --> 01:15:30,160
Speaker 1: from the top, there have family just taking in. The

1365
01:15:30,240 --> 01:15:34,320
Speaker 1: voice you're hearing is an archaeologist and historian, doctor Cheryl

1366
01:15:34,360 --> 01:15:36,760
Speaker 1: la Roach, and has mentioned I keep mentioning it because

1367
01:15:36,760 --> 01:15:39,519
Speaker 1: you've heard her before, but usually the conversation about the

1368
01:15:39,600 --> 01:15:42,120
Speaker 1: underground railroad, and this is sort of a spin off

1369
01:15:42,240 --> 01:15:44,439
Speaker 1: in one of the characters that she found about in

1370
01:15:44,520 --> 01:15:47,240
Speaker 1: the underground railroad, and she's writing a children's book about him.

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01:15:47,280 --> 01:15:50,439
Speaker 1: Is Henry Highland Garnett? Those you've heard of him, please

1372
01:15:50,479 --> 01:15:52,280
Speaker 1: call us and let us know what you know about him.

1373
01:15:52,600 --> 01:15:56,200
Speaker 1: But doctor Leroach, you say his message was more radical

1374
01:15:56,720 --> 01:15:59,000
Speaker 1: than Frederick Douglas's. Can you explain?

1375
01:15:59,120 --> 01:16:06,160
Speaker 10: Yes, Oh, yes. When Henry Hiland Garnett first makes his

1376
01:16:06,960 --> 01:16:11,200
Speaker 10: plea to the slaves, when he first talks about it,

1377
01:16:11,720 --> 01:16:16,519
Speaker 10: he says, if we have to use armed resistance, if

1378
01:16:16,600 --> 01:16:19,639
Speaker 10: we have to fight our way out of slavery, it's okay.

1379
01:16:20,400 --> 01:16:24,160
Speaker 10: Frederick Douglas was more of a pacifist and really wanted

1380
01:16:24,240 --> 01:16:28,360
Speaker 10: to stop short in the early time period. Frederick changes

1381
01:16:28,439 --> 01:16:31,599
Speaker 10: his mind in the eighteen fifties, But in the beginning,

1382
01:16:32,280 --> 01:16:34,960
Speaker 10: Henry Highland Garnett was just too radical for people. He

1383
01:16:35,080 --> 01:16:38,320
Speaker 10: went to colored conventions and talked about this resistance, resistance

1384
01:16:38,360 --> 01:16:40,479
Speaker 10: and do whatever you have to do, and people were

1385
01:16:40,560 --> 01:16:45,080
Speaker 10: still trying to appease, people were still trying to use

1386
01:16:46,320 --> 01:16:51,479
Speaker 10: People were trying during Henry Hiland Garnett's time, to appeal

1387
01:16:51,560 --> 01:16:55,960
Speaker 10: to higher values, to moral suasion. They didn't really understand

1388
01:16:56,040 --> 01:16:58,280
Speaker 10: the beast that they were up against. And so they

1389
01:16:58,360 --> 01:17:02,800
Speaker 10: were still thinking that logic and reason, all the things

1390
01:17:02,840 --> 01:17:06,160
Speaker 10: that we're taught would be enough to bring an end

1391
01:17:06,240 --> 01:17:09,720
Speaker 10: to slavery, that it's unjust, that it's something that is

1392
01:17:09,800 --> 01:17:13,720
Speaker 10: against God. They use all of these moral arguments to

1393
01:17:13,840 --> 01:17:17,719
Speaker 10: try to end slavery. Henry saying, no, but it's not working.

1394
01:17:19,560 --> 01:17:23,040
Speaker 10: We have to seize this beast and kill it. And

1395
01:17:23,280 --> 01:17:28,880
Speaker 10: that was not a message that black abolitionists, that the

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01:17:29,000 --> 01:17:32,280
Speaker 10: people in the colored conventions, that the people inside the

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01:17:32,400 --> 01:17:36,400
Speaker 10: churches are major black institutions at the time, were ready

1398
01:17:36,479 --> 01:17:42,280
Speaker 10: to hear. And so Garnett was leading the charge. What

1399
01:17:42,439 --> 01:17:46,960
Speaker 10: he was presenting an argument that was not popular in

1400
01:17:47,080 --> 01:17:50,599
Speaker 10: the eighteen forties when he was really talking about these things.

1401
01:17:50,640 --> 01:17:52,920
Speaker 10: I mean, they become popular the closer we get to

1402
01:17:53,000 --> 01:17:56,360
Speaker 10: the Civil War, the more disgusted people become that passed

1403
01:17:56,360 --> 01:17:58,519
Speaker 10: the fee to the Slave Act. You realize that this

1404
01:17:58,680 --> 01:18:06,000
Speaker 10: country is not going to uh listen, not going to adhere,

1405
01:18:06,439 --> 01:18:09,000
Speaker 10: not going to live up to the moral standards that

1406
01:18:09,160 --> 01:18:12,280
Speaker 10: we think that they will do. They're not going to

1407
01:18:12,320 --> 01:18:16,080
Speaker 10: be noble when it comes to slavery. And that is

1408
01:18:16,240 --> 01:18:20,679
Speaker 10: one of the things that distinguishes Henry Holland Garnett from

1409
01:18:21,360 --> 01:18:26,679
Speaker 10: somebody like Frederick Douglas, and they they eventually come together.

1410
01:18:26,800 --> 01:18:28,640
Speaker 10: But Douglas is one of the people that sort of

1411
01:18:28,760 --> 01:18:34,600
Speaker 10: leads the charge against Garnet and helps defeat his proposal

1412
01:18:35,200 --> 01:18:38,240
Speaker 10: about you know, sort of this lecturing and bringing this

1413
01:18:38,400 --> 01:18:42,920
Speaker 10: resistance model forward. It's Douglas who actually shoots it down.

1414
01:18:43,320 --> 01:18:46,400
Speaker 10: He's one of the ones that leads the charge that says, no,

1415
01:18:46,840 --> 01:18:50,479
Speaker 10: this will not work. And so you understand that the.

1416
01:18:53,720 --> 01:18:57,360
Speaker 1: Why did Frederick Douglas oppose him was it was it

1417
01:18:57,520 --> 01:19:01,240
Speaker 1: a competition or it just didn't think that was feasible.

1418
01:19:01,920 --> 01:19:02,080
Speaker 6: You know.

1419
01:19:03,120 --> 01:19:08,840
Speaker 10: But if you think about it today, if somebody think

1420
01:19:08,920 --> 01:19:12,599
Speaker 10: about all of our most radical thinkers, you know, if

1421
01:19:12,680 --> 01:19:15,320
Speaker 10: you think about when Marcus Garvey was saying we should

1422
01:19:15,360 --> 01:19:18,559
Speaker 10: go back to Africa, when we think about the thoughts

1423
01:19:18,640 --> 01:19:22,400
Speaker 10: and the ideas of the most radical among us that's

1424
01:19:22,560 --> 01:19:27,080
Speaker 10: going against popular convention, and popular convention at the time

1425
01:19:27,280 --> 01:19:32,800
Speaker 10: was something called moral suasion. We're going to persuade you morally,

1426
01:19:33,680 --> 01:19:35,560
Speaker 10: and people were really hanging along.

1427
01:19:35,560 --> 01:19:37,320
Speaker 1: All right there, Dr Learroch. We got to check the

1428
01:19:37,360 --> 01:19:39,800
Speaker 1: news now. But how once you finish that explaining to

1429
01:19:39,960 --> 01:19:43,880
Speaker 1: us that difference why Douglas, you know, came up against

1430
01:19:43,920 --> 01:19:48,280
Speaker 1: that Garnett because it's interesting. Yeah, family, I hope you

1431
01:19:48,360 --> 01:19:50,360
Speaker 1: find it. This is very interesting with doctor Lerooche. You

1432
01:19:50,360 --> 01:19:52,280
Speaker 1: want to join the discussion, they'll reach out to us

1433
01:19:52,320 --> 01:19:56,200
Speaker 1: at eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight seventy

1434
01:19:56,240 --> 01:19:58,280
Speaker 1: six and we'll take your phone calls after the news

1435
01:19:58,360 --> 01:20:01,519
Speaker 1: trafficking weather that's next and rising. Family, Thanks are staying

1436
01:20:01,560 --> 01:20:03,560
Speaker 1: with us on this Wednesday morning with our guest that

1437
01:20:03,760 --> 01:20:07,080
Speaker 1: doctor Schael Laroche. You've heard doctor Laroche before. She's an

1438
01:20:07,360 --> 01:20:11,880
Speaker 1: archaeologist and she's also a researcher, an educator, and you

1439
01:20:12,000 --> 01:20:14,280
Speaker 1: know her best from her work as a historian on

1440
01:20:14,360 --> 01:20:17,120
Speaker 1: the Underground Railroad. Done a lot of research on that,

1441
01:20:17,200 --> 01:20:19,680
Speaker 1: and she found out some more information about some of

1442
01:20:19,720 --> 01:20:22,120
Speaker 1: the players on the Underground Railroad and she's she's going

1443
01:20:22,200 --> 01:20:24,240
Speaker 1: to put them in some books, children's books that called

1444
01:20:24,280 --> 01:20:28,439
Speaker 1: the Resurrection, the Resurrectors series and one of the and

1445
01:20:28,560 --> 01:20:30,320
Speaker 1: she's gonna use Kickstar. We're going to talk about that

1446
01:20:30,360 --> 01:20:32,600
Speaker 1: as well before where she leaves. But one of the

1447
01:20:32,960 --> 01:20:36,120
Speaker 1: one of the persons that she's profiled, and it happens

1448
01:20:36,160 --> 01:20:39,200
Speaker 1: to be Henry Highland. Garnett never heard of him before,

1449
01:20:39,400 --> 01:20:42,479
Speaker 1: but she says she's more radical, uh than Frederick Douglas.

1450
01:20:42,560 --> 01:20:44,840
Speaker 1: He's almost like Malcolm X, who want to hear more

1451
01:20:44,880 --> 01:20:46,599
Speaker 1: about this Fela. But before we do that, though, I'm

1452
01:20:46,600 --> 01:20:48,960
Speaker 1: sure remind you come up late this morning. Brother Keaty's

1453
01:20:48,960 --> 01:20:50,840
Speaker 1: going to join us. Brother Kety' is a researcher. We're

1454
01:20:50,840 --> 01:20:52,920
Speaker 1: going to hear about his latest project. Before we hear

1455
01:20:52,960 --> 01:20:55,479
Speaker 1: from brother Keaty, though, Uh, we're going to hear from

1456
01:20:56,439 --> 01:20:58,759
Speaker 1: from some of the sisters from Black Women for Positive

1457
01:20:58,800 --> 01:21:02,000
Speaker 1: Change out with doctor Stephanie My and educator Constance Kinder.

1458
01:21:02,400 --> 01:21:05,000
Speaker 1: And coming up tomorrow, we're going to speak with Morganset

1459
01:21:05,160 --> 01:21:08,519
Speaker 1: University profession at doctor Ray Rimbush. Also from the Million

1460
01:21:08,560 --> 01:21:12,000
Speaker 1: Women's March, Sister Filla will be here. Also DC activist

1461
01:21:12,040 --> 01:21:14,400
Speaker 1: doctor Kayah Patterson will also checking. So if you are

1462
01:21:14,520 --> 01:21:16,960
Speaker 1: in Baltimore, please keep your radio locked in tight on

1463
01:21:17,080 --> 01:21:19,560
Speaker 1: ten TENWLB or if you're in the DMV or on

1464
01:21:19,680 --> 01:21:22,599
Speaker 1: fourteen fifteen WL. All right, doctor ll Roach, I'll let

1465
01:21:22,600 --> 01:21:23,400
Speaker 1: you finish your thoughts.

1466
01:21:24,520 --> 01:21:27,720
Speaker 10: So we were talking about Frederick Douglas and let me

1467
01:21:27,920 --> 01:21:32,880
Speaker 10: just put a plug in www dot the resurrectors dot Com.

1468
01:21:33,120 --> 01:21:35,760
Speaker 10: You can go there and help support us on Kickstarter

1469
01:21:36,640 --> 01:21:39,680
Speaker 10: and buy a book or make a contribution. So we

1470
01:21:39,800 --> 01:21:43,720
Speaker 10: were talking about Frederick Douglas and Henry Hiland Garnett and

1471
01:21:43,880 --> 01:21:46,960
Speaker 10: why there was friction between them in the early period.

1472
01:21:47,960 --> 01:21:51,599
Speaker 10: Henry Hiland Garnett has this address to the slaves. If

1473
01:21:51,600 --> 01:21:54,400
Speaker 10: you google him, the Address to the Slaves will come up.

1474
01:21:54,920 --> 01:21:59,400
Speaker 10: He is direct, he is telling it like it is there.

1475
01:21:59,520 --> 01:22:04,560
Speaker 10: He's not pretending. He is saying all the things that

1476
01:22:05,479 --> 01:22:09,559
Speaker 10: is happening to black folks around slavery at the time.

1477
01:22:10,520 --> 01:22:13,320
Speaker 10: But if you think about what's happening today, there's a

1478
01:22:13,439 --> 01:22:17,400
Speaker 10: certain climate of fear that people who are self sort

1479
01:22:17,439 --> 01:22:20,400
Speaker 10: of self correcting and people who are sort of self

1480
01:22:20,479 --> 01:22:24,920
Speaker 10: sanctioning and sort of you know, preempting any kind of

1481
01:22:27,760 --> 01:22:31,800
Speaker 10: control by giving up their control. And I think that

1482
01:22:32,120 --> 01:22:36,600
Speaker 10: in the period when Henry Holland Garnett is at his

1483
01:22:36,920 --> 01:22:42,040
Speaker 10: most vocal and most radical, there were a lot of

1484
01:22:42,240 --> 01:22:45,599
Speaker 10: fear that you were going to upset white folks, which

1485
01:22:45,680 --> 01:22:48,720
Speaker 10: is something that you know is still going on, and

1486
01:22:48,880 --> 01:22:52,000
Speaker 10: that they were going he was going to hurt the cause,

1487
01:22:52,840 --> 01:22:55,240
Speaker 10: that he was going to do a lot of damage

1488
01:22:55,840 --> 01:22:59,559
Speaker 10: because he's bringing up these very radical ideas. It's very

1489
01:22:59,720 --> 01:23:04,240
Speaker 10: simp to what happened with Malcolm X. It's very similar.

1490
01:23:04,400 --> 01:23:07,000
Speaker 10: You can't say these things. It's very similar to what

1491
01:23:07,040 --> 01:23:08,280
Speaker 10: happened to the Black Panthers.

1492
01:23:08,800 --> 01:23:09,320
Speaker 7: You can't.

1493
01:23:09,880 --> 01:23:14,240
Speaker 10: There's a limit to the level of radicalism that most

1494
01:23:14,520 --> 01:23:19,280
Speaker 10: public people can endure, that they can tolerate. I mean,

1495
01:23:19,360 --> 01:23:23,080
Speaker 10: that's why they call it radical. You're beyond what most

1496
01:23:23,160 --> 01:23:26,519
Speaker 10: people want to think about, and you're taking it in

1497
01:23:26,640 --> 01:23:30,000
Speaker 10: the minds of more moderate you're taking it to the extreme.

1498
01:23:31,160 --> 01:23:34,800
Speaker 10: But for Garnet, I think he saw, I mean, he

1499
01:23:35,120 --> 01:23:37,639
Speaker 10: saw that this was going to come to armed conflict.

1500
01:23:37,720 --> 01:23:41,880
Speaker 10: He understood, he saw it, and Douglas was still trying

1501
01:23:41,960 --> 01:23:50,360
Speaker 10: to say hold on. Douglas is a very measured, thoughtful, intelligent,

1502
01:23:50,479 --> 01:23:52,960
Speaker 10: not that Garnett is all of these things as well.

1503
01:23:53,000 --> 01:23:55,680
Speaker 10: And Garnett is equally powerful as an orator too. He's

1504
01:23:55,720 --> 01:24:00,120
Speaker 10: a great speaker, he can hold you. He's there. But

1505
01:24:00,320 --> 01:24:04,439
Speaker 10: his message, his message was just deeply radical, and I

1506
01:24:04,560 --> 01:24:09,360
Speaker 10: think that his upbringing. Both Garnet and Douglas escape from slavery.

1507
01:24:09,439 --> 01:24:11,920
Speaker 10: So it's not like one of them had some privileged

1508
01:24:11,960 --> 01:24:13,320
Speaker 10: upbringing and the other one didn't.

1509
01:24:13,600 --> 01:24:14,519
Speaker 6: That we don't have that.

1510
01:24:14,720 --> 01:24:19,360
Speaker 10: They both come out of slavery, and so they both

1511
01:24:19,600 --> 01:24:23,920
Speaker 10: understand at its fundamental level what that means and what

1512
01:24:24,120 --> 01:24:27,280
Speaker 10: that does to the human being, to the psyche, to

1513
01:24:27,400 --> 01:24:29,560
Speaker 10: all of the ways in which we know that this

1514
01:24:29,880 --> 01:24:34,920
Speaker 10: institution is grinding people or trying to grind people into

1515
01:24:35,000 --> 01:24:38,160
Speaker 10: the ground. And so when you look at the two

1516
01:24:38,240 --> 01:24:42,240
Speaker 10: of them side by side, Douglas is on a different

1517
01:24:42,400 --> 01:24:46,719
Speaker 10: journey from Henry Highland Garnet. Douglas starts with William Lloyd Garrison,

1518
01:24:46,760 --> 01:24:50,320
Speaker 10: who is the white abolitionist, who really is the person

1519
01:24:50,400 --> 01:24:55,280
Speaker 10: who starts to liberate a newspaper. But Garnet is over

1520
01:24:55,680 --> 01:25:00,320
Speaker 10: on the other side with the people working, and Douglas

1521
01:25:00,400 --> 01:25:03,800
Speaker 10: too worked on the underground railroad. But Garnett is just

1522
01:25:04,000 --> 01:25:08,760
Speaker 10: a different person and he's not afraid to speak, He's

1523
01:25:08,840 --> 01:25:14,560
Speaker 10: not afraid to appeal to the radical factions that he

1524
01:25:14,840 --> 01:25:19,000
Speaker 10: thinks is going to really help get bring it into slavery.

1525
01:25:19,080 --> 01:25:22,000
Speaker 10: This is everybody has their own approach to how are

1526
01:25:22,040 --> 01:25:23,559
Speaker 10: we going to end this and how are we going

1527
01:25:23,640 --> 01:25:26,840
Speaker 10: to slay this beast call slavery? How are we going

1528
01:25:26,920 --> 01:25:30,680
Speaker 10: to do it? And each took a different path. Ultimately

1529
01:25:30,760 --> 01:25:33,960
Speaker 10: they both come to the Civil War. They either recruit

1530
01:25:34,120 --> 01:25:37,360
Speaker 10: or they're working for the Civil War, because it gets

1531
01:25:37,400 --> 01:25:41,040
Speaker 10: to that point where Douglas realizes what Garnett already knew,

1532
01:25:41,640 --> 01:25:44,760
Speaker 10: that this is going to take more than we think

1533
01:25:45,360 --> 01:25:49,519
Speaker 10: in DC after the war. And for people who don't

1534
01:25:49,600 --> 01:25:53,920
Speaker 10: know him, he led the Fifteenth Street Presbyterian Church, and

1535
01:25:54,080 --> 01:25:56,960
Speaker 10: so that's our connection in Washington. But he also was

1536
01:25:57,280 --> 01:25:59,880
Speaker 10: a minister in New York and he was up in Troy,

1537
01:26:00,160 --> 01:26:04,160
Speaker 10: New York. So he and you know, he's a very

1538
01:26:04,320 --> 01:26:08,320
Speaker 10: early minister of what we would call an ambassador today.

1539
01:26:08,920 --> 01:26:11,559
Speaker 10: And so he is one of these people that has

1540
01:26:11,680 --> 01:26:16,800
Speaker 10: this extended story, but it's not as easy to tell

1541
01:26:18,160 --> 01:26:21,560
Speaker 10: because you're going to have to engage with Garnett's politics.

1542
01:26:22,160 --> 01:26:29,719
Speaker 10: And people have chosen stories like Frederick Douglass, even Josiah Henson,

1543
01:26:29,760 --> 01:26:32,360
Speaker 10: I don't know if you've heard of him. Those stories

1544
01:26:32,520 --> 01:26:36,479
Speaker 10: don't have the radical, the deeply radical element that Garnet

1545
01:26:36,720 --> 01:26:37,360
Speaker 10: also has.

1546
01:26:38,120 --> 01:26:40,960
Speaker 1: And so that I think this thing thought right there

1547
01:26:41,120 --> 01:26:43,160
Speaker 1: a tent away from the top of that, because during

1548
01:26:43,240 --> 01:26:45,160
Speaker 1: this conversation I was googling Hi when I found out

1549
01:26:45,160 --> 01:26:48,080
Speaker 1: that doctor Malefia Sante listed him as one of the

1550
01:26:48,160 --> 01:26:52,599
Speaker 1: one hundred greatest African Americans. So he's one of our

1551
01:26:52,680 --> 01:26:57,200
Speaker 1: top scholars, doctor Sante, said about Henry Highland Garnett. But

1552
01:26:57,400 --> 01:27:00,439
Speaker 1: having said that, though doctor l Roach, are you going

1553
01:27:00,520 --> 01:27:03,679
Speaker 1: to portray him for children? Is there a different challenge

1554
01:27:04,120 --> 01:27:06,920
Speaker 1: in doing this for children as supposed to doing it

1555
01:27:07,000 --> 01:27:07,559
Speaker 1: for adults.

1556
01:27:07,680 --> 01:27:07,840
Speaker 9: Oh.

1557
01:27:08,040 --> 01:27:12,320
Speaker 10: Absolutely, it's a huge challenge. I mean it's been At first,

1558
01:27:12,400 --> 01:27:14,479
Speaker 10: I was just going to stop at his childhood and

1559
01:27:14,600 --> 01:27:17,479
Speaker 10: not get into it because that because it is a challenge,

1560
01:27:17,920 --> 01:27:21,840
Speaker 10: because I want to not dilute his radical messages. But

1561
01:27:21,920 --> 01:27:24,640
Speaker 10: I also don't want to sound like I'm advocating and

1562
01:27:24,760 --> 01:27:29,719
Speaker 10: condoning violence, and so I have to walk that line

1563
01:27:29,960 --> 01:27:33,240
Speaker 10: on Garnet, and I have to really be careful and

1564
01:27:33,479 --> 01:27:37,960
Speaker 10: how to present him so that he is acceptable for

1565
01:27:38,080 --> 01:27:42,160
Speaker 10: children and their parents. So that's where we are in

1566
01:27:42,320 --> 01:27:46,360
Speaker 10: terms of trying to get this story out. Stress that

1567
01:27:46,840 --> 01:27:50,120
Speaker 10: he felt that and he protects himself. I mean, there's

1568
01:27:50,160 --> 01:27:51,960
Speaker 10: a part in the book where I have to actually

1569
01:27:52,040 --> 01:27:57,439
Speaker 10: talk about him protecting himself. And he doesn't harm anyone,

1570
01:27:57,560 --> 01:28:00,760
Speaker 10: Thank god, no one is ever harmed. But he had

1571
01:28:00,880 --> 01:28:04,800
Speaker 10: made up his mind that he was not he was

1572
01:28:05,080 --> 01:28:08,200
Speaker 10: not going to accept any kind of treatment that came

1573
01:28:08,280 --> 01:28:11,160
Speaker 10: towards him. And once you make up your mind that

1574
01:28:11,320 --> 01:28:13,600
Speaker 10: you're not going to do this, that you know it was,

1575
01:28:14,000 --> 01:28:19,280
Speaker 10: I'm going to stand up to the bully. Then you

1576
01:28:19,439 --> 01:28:23,000
Speaker 10: realize that he's got a lot of aspects that well,

1577
01:28:23,360 --> 01:28:26,840
Speaker 10: one aspect of his story that has to be presented

1578
01:28:27,000 --> 01:28:29,960
Speaker 10: to children in a way that is acceptable for the

1579
01:28:30,040 --> 01:28:33,360
Speaker 10: age group. We're looking at young adults for the Resurrectors

1580
01:28:33,560 --> 01:28:36,880
Speaker 10: and you know, eight to thirteen, and so we want

1581
01:28:36,960 --> 01:28:40,240
Speaker 10: to present a story that is uplifting and empowering, but

1582
01:28:40,400 --> 01:28:43,639
Speaker 10: I do not want to dilute this man's life either.

1583
01:28:44,640 --> 01:28:46,920
Speaker 10: So that is a huge challenge and so thank you

1584
01:28:47,000 --> 01:28:50,720
Speaker 10: for recognizing that, and we are sensitive to it. We're

1585
01:28:50,800 --> 01:28:53,120
Speaker 10: sensitive to it. But we also know that we have

1586
01:28:53,280 --> 01:28:55,960
Speaker 10: to talk about him as a preacher, as a minister,

1587
01:28:56,040 --> 01:28:59,560
Speaker 10: as a man of God. You know, he's an ambassador,

1588
01:28:59,640 --> 01:29:01,960
Speaker 10: he is on he's on the floor of Congress. He's

1589
01:29:02,000 --> 01:29:06,479
Speaker 10: a highly accomplished man. And so we have to really

1590
01:29:06,640 --> 01:29:10,000
Speaker 10: think about how are we going to wrap this this

1591
01:29:10,320 --> 01:29:15,519
Speaker 10: kind of accomplishment inside of some of his more radical ideas.

1592
01:29:16,240 --> 01:29:19,439
Speaker 10: And that's a challenge. And we want children to be

1593
01:29:19,600 --> 01:29:22,200
Speaker 10: able to identify with Garnett. We want them to be

1594
01:29:22,320 --> 01:29:25,760
Speaker 10: able to understand what a powerful figure. He is, all

1595
01:29:25,840 --> 01:29:28,200
Speaker 10: the good that he did, all the things that he

1596
01:29:28,640 --> 01:29:33,439
Speaker 10: brings forward for us. But like you said, people don't

1597
01:29:33,520 --> 01:29:37,200
Speaker 10: know who he is. And that's the work of the Resurrectors.

1598
01:29:37,520 --> 01:29:41,240
Speaker 10: So if you go to www dot the Resurrectors r

1599
01:29:41,400 --> 01:29:45,439
Speaker 10: E S you r R E c t O r

1600
01:29:45,760 --> 01:29:49,960
Speaker 10: S dot com, you can help us bring this story

1601
01:29:50,120 --> 01:29:53,640
Speaker 10: to life. This is our mission, this is what we

1602
01:29:53,920 --> 01:29:57,040
Speaker 10: have chose to do. This is how we have decided

1603
01:29:57,080 --> 01:30:00,120
Speaker 10: that we're going to meet the moment. It's not not

1604
01:30:00,560 --> 01:30:03,920
Speaker 10: good enough at this point to just hold the line.

1605
01:30:04,080 --> 01:30:07,800
Speaker 10: It's not good enough to just not lose ground. We

1606
01:30:08,120 --> 01:30:11,280
Speaker 10: really feel like we have to forge ahead, and Garnett

1607
01:30:11,439 --> 01:30:14,880
Speaker 10: is a great champion for us to start with. You know,

1608
01:30:15,160 --> 01:30:19,760
Speaker 10: we're meeting the moment. We're battling for our history in

1609
01:30:19,880 --> 01:30:22,800
Speaker 10: the ways in which we know how to fight, just

1610
01:30:22,960 --> 01:30:25,439
Speaker 10: like you're presenting things on your show, in the ways

1611
01:30:25,479 --> 01:30:28,040
Speaker 10: in which you know how to fight. We have to

1612
01:30:28,280 --> 01:30:32,680
Speaker 10: really define for ourselves what's important, and we start out.

1613
01:30:32,840 --> 01:30:35,439
Speaker 10: He's our lead, he's you know, lead off batter. We

1614
01:30:35,479 --> 01:30:39,320
Speaker 10: are starting out with Henry Holland Garnett because we can

1615
01:30:39,520 --> 01:30:42,360
Speaker 10: have an accurate story of his whole life from his

1616
01:30:42,520 --> 01:30:44,200
Speaker 10: childhood to his death. So we can give you a

1617
01:30:44,280 --> 01:30:47,880
Speaker 10: complete story of not only him, his father, his grandfather,

1618
01:30:48,040 --> 01:30:51,519
Speaker 10: his family, his mother, his sister. We can tell you

1619
01:30:51,720 --> 01:30:55,360
Speaker 10: the full, complete story of his life. No longer do

1620
01:30:55,479 --> 01:30:57,880
Speaker 10: we have to settle for sound bites in history. And

1621
01:30:58,000 --> 01:31:00,680
Speaker 10: this is the other thing when you ask about him

1622
01:31:00,920 --> 01:31:05,920
Speaker 10: and Douglas, this is a complex history. Black history is complex,

1623
01:31:06,640 --> 01:31:10,720
Speaker 10: but it often is presented in these black facts and

1624
01:31:10,840 --> 01:31:16,559
Speaker 10: Black moments and just little tiny nuggets of information. Black history,

1625
01:31:16,600 --> 01:31:21,160
Speaker 10: when you get into it, is deeply complicated, and Garnett

1626
01:31:21,320 --> 01:31:24,880
Speaker 10: is a deeply complicated man. We are complex people with

1627
01:31:25,160 --> 01:31:30,160
Speaker 10: complex feelings, and we have to present people in all

1628
01:31:30,200 --> 01:31:34,120
Speaker 10: of aspects of their humanity, and Garnet is a perfect

1629
01:31:34,200 --> 01:31:37,640
Speaker 10: place to start. We want to bring back stories of

1630
01:31:37,800 --> 01:31:41,800
Speaker 10: courage and heroism and compassion, and we want to resurrect

1631
01:31:41,840 --> 01:31:44,439
Speaker 10: these things for our children. We want to talk about

1632
01:31:44,479 --> 01:31:48,920
Speaker 10: them so that children can see role models that they

1633
01:31:49,040 --> 01:31:52,840
Speaker 10: can pattern their lives after. And when you think about

1634
01:31:52,880 --> 01:31:56,559
Speaker 10: the underground railroad as one big problem to be solved,

1635
01:31:57,280 --> 01:32:03,040
Speaker 10: the ways in which people seek their freedom maintain their freedom,

1636
01:32:03,360 --> 01:32:08,240
Speaker 10: it's just ingenious and lots and lots of instructive moments

1637
01:32:08,280 --> 01:32:12,880
Speaker 10: here that people can learn about how to confront problems,

1638
01:32:13,080 --> 01:32:16,040
Speaker 10: how to overcome problems, what do you do when it

1639
01:32:16,120 --> 01:32:18,880
Speaker 10: looks like there is no way out? I see this

1640
01:32:19,040 --> 01:32:23,200
Speaker 10: every day, So I think that the Resurrectors is our answer,

1641
01:32:23,439 --> 01:32:27,439
Speaker 10: or one of our answers to really coming and trying

1642
01:32:27,520 --> 01:32:30,920
Speaker 10: to bring this education to children and hopefully to adults,

1643
01:32:31,040 --> 01:32:34,360
Speaker 10: because like you said, people don't know who he is.

1644
01:32:34,479 --> 01:32:36,719
Speaker 10: And even though he's on the list of one hundred

1645
01:32:36,800 --> 01:32:39,720
Speaker 10: most influential Blacks, we still don't know who he is.

1646
01:32:40,120 --> 01:32:42,680
Speaker 10: And it'd be interesting to check out how.

1647
01:32:42,680 --> 01:32:45,240
Speaker 1: Many you know, Yeah, doctor rose Hold, I thought right there.

1648
01:32:45,280 --> 01:32:47,040
Speaker 1: Melvin wants to speaking, but we got to check the

1649
01:32:47,120 --> 01:32:49,200
Speaker 1: traffic and weather in our different cities. I let Melvin

1650
01:32:49,400 --> 01:32:51,160
Speaker 1: get in out in this conversation as well. When we

1651
01:32:51,240 --> 01:32:52,880
Speaker 1: get back, it's three minutes away from the top of

1652
01:32:52,880 --> 01:32:55,000
Speaker 1: the family. I guess they starts to show a Roach.

1653
01:32:55,240 --> 01:32:58,519
Speaker 1: As I mentioned, doctor Roach is an archaeologist and also historian,

1654
01:32:58,760 --> 01:33:01,639
Speaker 1: and she's got a new project working on and Melvin

1655
01:33:01,680 --> 01:33:03,160
Speaker 1: wants to talk to us. So we'll talk with Melvin

1656
01:33:03,200 --> 01:33:05,000
Speaker 1: when we get back, and you two can join our

1657
01:33:05,040 --> 01:33:08,040
Speaker 1: conversation at eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight

1658
01:33:08,320 --> 01:33:10,360
Speaker 1: seventy six and will take a calls after the trafficking

1659
01:33:10,439 --> 01:33:12,880
Speaker 1: weather This name and Grand Rising family, and thanks for

1660
01:33:12,920 --> 01:33:15,200
Speaker 1: staying with us on this Wednesday morning. And two minutes

1661
01:33:15,240 --> 01:33:17,120
Speaker 1: after the top of they momentary, we're gonna speak with

1662
01:33:17,200 --> 01:33:20,240
Speaker 1: two the more dynamic sisters from a Black Woom for

1663
01:33:20,320 --> 01:33:23,840
Speaker 1: Positive Change of Constance Kinder and doctor Stephanie Myers. Right

1664
01:33:23,880 --> 01:33:27,479
Speaker 1: now we're with doctor Cheryl L. Roach. And doctor Roach

1665
01:33:27,560 --> 01:33:30,400
Speaker 1: is a historian and archaeologist and educator and many of

1666
01:33:30,439 --> 01:33:32,960
Speaker 1: you heard her before. Many most of her research has

1667
01:33:33,000 --> 01:33:35,760
Speaker 1: been on the Underground Railroad. This is sort of a

1668
01:33:35,800 --> 01:33:37,680
Speaker 1: takeoff of one of the characters or one of the

1669
01:33:38,240 --> 01:33:42,040
Speaker 1: living or used to be living characters of the Underground Railroad.

1670
01:33:42,080 --> 01:33:43,759
Speaker 1: And as I mentioned before we left for the traffic

1671
01:33:43,800 --> 01:33:46,519
Speaker 1: and weather update, Melvin in Baltimore has a comment or

1672
01:33:46,760 --> 01:33:48,720
Speaker 1: once to speak to doctor the Roach. He's online two

1673
01:33:48,760 --> 01:33:50,519
Speaker 1: Grand Rising Melvin, You're on with dodtr.

1674
01:33:50,360 --> 01:33:57,680
Speaker 17: Laroach Grand Rising. Everyone. Mister Garnett felt we were in

1675
01:33:57,800 --> 01:34:01,479
Speaker 17: an impossible situation having to live with the Kylin NASA.

1676
01:34:02,320 --> 01:34:04,840
Speaker 17: Could you speak on the fact that he wanted to

1677
01:34:08,600 --> 01:34:12,240
Speaker 17: put away a separate section of the nation for black people.

1678
01:34:12,720 --> 01:34:19,200
Speaker 10: Thank you, he definitely wanted to go back to Africa

1679
01:34:19,240 --> 01:34:22,040
Speaker 10: at some point. He is an immigrationist. I mean he

1680
01:34:22,200 --> 01:34:27,760
Speaker 10: turns to that in terms of putting aside a part

1681
01:34:27,880 --> 01:34:30,760
Speaker 10: of the country for black people that I have to

1682
01:34:30,840 --> 01:34:33,320
Speaker 10: read about. I don't know that that was a major

1683
01:34:33,400 --> 01:34:36,960
Speaker 10: platform of his, but certainly he wanted to come out

1684
01:34:37,000 --> 01:34:38,960
Speaker 10: of the country. He didn't think that there was a

1685
01:34:39,040 --> 01:34:42,519
Speaker 10: place for us, and he decides after a while that

1686
01:34:42,680 --> 01:34:46,599
Speaker 10: he has to leave and go into Africa. That's his point.

1687
01:34:47,280 --> 01:34:51,080
Speaker 10: But he comes to that. You see, people he arrives

1688
01:34:51,320 --> 01:34:57,080
Speaker 10: at it. He is looking around the diaspora. He's looking

1689
01:34:57,120 --> 01:35:01,800
Speaker 10: at different places to see where we can go, where

1690
01:35:01,920 --> 01:35:04,640
Speaker 10: we can immigrate, And Quinn did the same thing, by

1691
01:35:04,720 --> 01:35:07,479
Speaker 10: the way, you know, looking to see where we can

1692
01:35:07,600 --> 01:35:13,280
Speaker 10: go outside of this country to be peaceful, to be accepted,

1693
01:35:13,320 --> 01:35:16,360
Speaker 10: to be full human beings. And so I would say

1694
01:35:16,439 --> 01:35:21,960
Speaker 10: that he wants to leave this country only to find

1695
01:35:22,040 --> 01:35:25,520
Speaker 10: some place where he thinks there can be more opportunities

1696
01:35:25,600 --> 01:35:29,040
Speaker 10: for blacks. So that's more of his direction. And again

1697
01:35:29,120 --> 01:35:32,320
Speaker 10: there's tension around that too, just like with Marcus Garvey,

1698
01:35:32,360 --> 01:35:36,080
Speaker 10: where people are saying, no, our place is here. We

1699
01:35:36,240 --> 01:35:39,880
Speaker 10: belong on this soil, we belong here, and so they're

1700
01:35:40,040 --> 01:35:43,040
Speaker 10: all when I talk about the complexities of black history,

1701
01:35:43,240 --> 01:35:46,720
Speaker 10: these are the dynamics that we're talking about. But it's

1702
01:35:46,960 --> 01:35:51,519
Speaker 10: hard for America to deal with more than one competing

1703
01:35:51,720 --> 01:35:54,880
Speaker 10: idea from black people. If you think about how our

1704
01:35:55,040 --> 01:35:58,080
Speaker 10: history has run. We have one person who's supposed to lead,

1705
01:35:58,160 --> 01:36:02,000
Speaker 10: and when somebody challenges them with the country kind of crumbles.

1706
01:36:02,040 --> 01:36:04,000
Speaker 10: They don't know who to look for, which which black

1707
01:36:04,080 --> 01:36:07,880
Speaker 10: man black woman is right, and we're both They're both right,

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01:36:08,120 --> 01:36:13,080
Speaker 10: it's not there's different ways to manage these problems, and

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01:36:13,360 --> 01:36:17,960
Speaker 10: Douglas and Garnett have different ideas about how to do it. So, yes,

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01:36:18,280 --> 01:36:23,679
Speaker 10: he is looking for places beyond America, and he's only

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01:36:23,880 --> 01:36:29,400
Speaker 10: looking because America isn't giving African Americans what they need.

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Speaker 10: That slaveryone wants to go against that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Hold, I thought right there, because we've got some

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01:36:36,000 --> 01:36:37,800
Speaker 1: more folks on deck on next set of guests. But

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01:36:37,920 --> 01:36:40,000
Speaker 1: before I let you go, though, I got to read

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01:36:40,080 --> 01:36:43,799
Speaker 1: this this tweet, or actually it's from one of our listeners,

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01:36:44,000 --> 01:36:47,200
Speaker 1: and the listeners it says, Hotel, here's my pleasure. This

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01:36:47,680 --> 01:36:52,000
Speaker 1: is a fantastic quansa gift for children in the family.

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01:36:52,160 --> 01:36:54,800
Speaker 1: Your guest comes in the great spirit of educators that

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01:36:54,920 --> 01:36:59,280
Speaker 1: have now transitioned into the ancestral realm doctor John Herry Clark,

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01:36:59,560 --> 01:37:03,280
Speaker 1: doctor A to Heal It and others. Any black person

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01:37:03,360 --> 01:37:06,160
Speaker 1: with school age children need to support this effort. May

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01:37:06,240 --> 01:37:09,120
Speaker 1: our ancestors be pleased with our good works A Shay

1724
01:37:09,200 --> 01:37:11,240
Speaker 1: And this is for brother Greg And it's actually an

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01:37:11,240 --> 01:37:13,559
Speaker 1: email they sent me. So I just wanted to read

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01:37:13,600 --> 01:37:15,920
Speaker 1: that to you because you know, sometimes you think you're

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01:37:16,320 --> 01:37:18,320
Speaker 1: you're out there and you're laboring, and people aren't listening

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01:37:18,360 --> 01:37:20,920
Speaker 1: to people are and and before I let you go,

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01:37:21,439 --> 01:37:24,360
Speaker 1: how can people get involved in the Kickstarter program so

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01:37:24,439 --> 01:37:25,320
Speaker 1: we can get here?

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01:37:25,520 --> 01:37:26,200
Speaker 14: Here's what you do.

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Speaker 10: You can either go straight to kickstarter dot com and

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01:37:29,479 --> 01:37:33,280
Speaker 10: click on the Resurrectors or you can go to the

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01:37:33,640 --> 01:37:39,240
Speaker 10: Resurrectors r E S you r R E c t

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01:37:40,040 --> 01:37:43,559
Speaker 10: O r S dot com and there's a big orange

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01:37:43,600 --> 01:37:47,160
Speaker 10: button that says click to Kickstarter. It'll take you to Kickstarter.

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01:37:47,520 --> 01:37:51,080
Speaker 10: You'll have to log in and then you can make

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01:37:51,320 --> 01:37:53,920
Speaker 10: a contribution. If you don't want to buy the book,

1739
01:37:53,960 --> 01:37:57,040
Speaker 10: you can give us a donation or there are several

1740
01:37:57,160 --> 01:37:59,479
Speaker 10: different ways you can buy an e book. You can

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01:37:59,560 --> 01:38:02,360
Speaker 10: buy a page for back a hardcover or what we're

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01:38:02,680 --> 01:38:06,519
Speaker 10: most proud of, the collector's edition. They're educational packages, their

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01:38:06,600 --> 01:38:10,200
Speaker 10: library packages. All of those things are available and the

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01:38:10,280 --> 01:38:13,800
Speaker 10: book will be published in twenty twenty six. So we're

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01:38:14,120 --> 01:38:16,880
Speaker 10: pulling the funding together now for illustrators, for all the

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01:38:16,960 --> 01:38:20,439
Speaker 10: production costs, and you can help us bring this dream

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01:38:20,600 --> 01:38:24,800
Speaker 10: to life for our children, bring this dream to life

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01:38:24,840 --> 01:38:28,880
Speaker 10: for our history, that we can move beyond some of

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01:38:29,040 --> 01:38:32,080
Speaker 10: the rhetoric that's happening to the Department of Education, that's

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01:38:32,120 --> 01:38:35,919
Speaker 10: happening to education around the country. This is our intervention,

1751
01:38:36,479 --> 01:38:39,759
Speaker 10: This is our activism. This is how we have chosen

1752
01:38:39,840 --> 01:38:43,320
Speaker 10: to meet the moment and your help, the community support

1753
01:38:43,640 --> 01:38:45,920
Speaker 10: because we have to turn to one another, you know,

1754
01:38:46,080 --> 01:38:48,719
Speaker 10: we're the ones we're waiting for. We have to turn

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01:38:48,800 --> 01:38:51,880
Speaker 10: to one another for support. And we hope that you

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01:38:51,960 --> 01:38:55,960
Speaker 10: will find this effort worthy of your donations, worthy of

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01:38:56,080 --> 01:38:59,280
Speaker 10: your attention, and worthy of a book that you want

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01:38:59,320 --> 01:39:02,479
Speaker 10: to give to your children and your grandchildren and frankly

1759
01:39:02,800 --> 01:39:06,240
Speaker 10: that you'll read yourself. I mean, I think it's something

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01:39:06,680 --> 01:39:08,519
Speaker 10: as the more I talk to folks and the more

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01:39:08,520 --> 01:39:11,880
Speaker 10: I realize nobody knows who he is, that this is,

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01:39:12,200 --> 01:39:15,040
Speaker 10: this is really much. It's even more important than I

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01:39:15,120 --> 01:39:19,120
Speaker 10: realized when I started. I didn't know that people didn't

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01:39:19,120 --> 01:39:20,679
Speaker 10: know who he was, right.

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01:39:20,680 --> 01:39:23,719
Speaker 1: And that's a challenge for the family. This morning. Family

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01:39:24,200 --> 01:39:27,200
Speaker 1: do some research on Henry Highland Garnet. So next time

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01:39:27,240 --> 01:39:30,080
Speaker 1: we have doctor Larroach come back, we can you can

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01:39:30,200 --> 01:39:32,519
Speaker 1: share with us what you've you've found out about Henry

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01:39:32,600 --> 01:39:35,160
Speaker 1: Highland Garnet. Doctor Larroch, thank you, Thank you for what

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Speaker 1: you do. Thank you for all all the work that

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01:39:37,479 --> 01:39:40,040
Speaker 1: you do, especially the Underground Railroad series that you did,

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01:39:40,080 --> 01:39:44,200
Speaker 1: and now publishing these books for our young people. So

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01:39:44,240 --> 01:39:45,880
Speaker 1: I just want to thank you personally for doing that.

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01:39:46,400 --> 01:39:48,160
Speaker 10: Well. Thank you. And you know, when I come back,

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01:39:48,200 --> 01:39:50,800
Speaker 10: I'll have another because we're resurrecting, I'll probably have another

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01:39:50,880 --> 01:39:52,240
Speaker 10: story for you, so you know, we.

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01:39:52,280 --> 01:39:55,280
Speaker 1: Can just make it story our okay, yeah, because you know,

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01:39:55,439 --> 01:39:57,920
Speaker 1: so many of our so many of folks that helped

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01:39:57,960 --> 01:39:59,800
Speaker 1: us in the past, they don't get they don't get

1780
01:39:59,840 --> 01:40:02,160
Speaker 1: this spotlight. And if we don't do it, nobody else

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01:40:02,240 --> 01:40:02,800
Speaker 1: is going to do it.

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Speaker 10: So I under you you'll do it exactly. And I

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01:40:07,080 --> 01:40:09,720
Speaker 10: am humbled to be included in the names and the

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01:40:09,920 --> 01:40:13,519
Speaker 10: likes of Asa Hilliard and doctor Ben and doctor Clark.

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01:40:13,600 --> 01:40:16,559
Speaker 10: I mean that that's that you've made my day.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, you're doing the work. Thank you, Doctor the Roach,

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01:40:20,040 --> 01:40:22,880
Speaker 1: thank you. All right, family, let's move on now to

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Speaker 1: guess from the Black Boom for Positive Changed, Dr Stephanie Myers.

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01:40:27,000 --> 01:40:30,920
Speaker 1: Also Constance kind Is Realists. Dr Myers Grand Rising, welcome

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Speaker 1: back to the program. It's DODR. Myers Realists on line four.

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Speaker 1: All right, not hearing Dr Dr Myers. All right, let's

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Speaker 1: let's try Constance kind Of online three. Constance grand Rising, Hello,

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01:40:50,240 --> 01:40:54,080
Speaker 1: good morning. Dr Myers grand Rising, welcome to the program.

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01:40:54,960 --> 01:40:56,599
Speaker 18: Yes, good morning. Can you hear me now?

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01:40:57,160 --> 01:40:58,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, we can hear you now.

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Speaker 18: Okay, great rising to you, Carl, thank you for having.

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Speaker 9: Us on this morning.

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Speaker 1: And Doctor MYERSA please introduce your guest with us.

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Speaker 18: Yes, we're very pleased this morning to have miss Constance

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Speaker 18: Kinder with us. And she's one of the people in

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Speaker 18: our network who's working with young people to reach out

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01:41:18,320 --> 01:41:22,640
Speaker 18: to them through education and help them use artwork. And

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01:41:22,760 --> 01:41:24,760
Speaker 18: she'll be able to explain more of what she does,

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01:41:24,880 --> 01:41:28,200
Speaker 18: but how to use art as a tool to stop violence.

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01:41:29,120 --> 01:41:32,360
Speaker 18: So she's a business woman, she owns a business of

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Speaker 18: her own, and works with nonprofits and schools, very qualified

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Speaker 18: women in Maryland.

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Speaker 6: All right, this morning, good morning.

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01:41:43,280 --> 01:41:44,160
Speaker 1: Yes we can hear you.

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Speaker 6: Here.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, just hold on a second here, because we've got

1812
01:41:51,479 --> 01:41:53,840
Speaker 1: to get the folks get some more information about the

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01:41:53,920 --> 01:41:57,000
Speaker 1: conference and what Black Women for Positive Change is all about.

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01:41:57,080 --> 01:41:59,120
Speaker 1: Because we always have some new listens. Some people are

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01:41:59,120 --> 01:42:01,559
Speaker 1: hearing you for the first time, doctor Mage. You understand

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01:42:01,600 --> 01:42:03,559
Speaker 1: how this business works. So if you can give us

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01:42:03,600 --> 01:42:06,720
Speaker 1: some background how you started Background for Positive Change and

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01:42:06,880 --> 01:42:08,440
Speaker 1: also about the upcoming.

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Speaker 18: Conference, Well, absolutely, Carl. For the past fourteen years, our

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Speaker 18: organization has promoted the idea of non violence. We started

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01:42:21,040 --> 01:42:24,120
Speaker 18: off with a day of non violence, then it expanded

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01:42:24,160 --> 01:42:27,000
Speaker 18: to a week and now for the month of October,

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01:42:27,560 --> 01:42:30,520
Speaker 18: we've been conducting activities all over the country.

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Speaker 6: And all over the world.

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Speaker 18: Are we having a little audio problem?

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01:42:34,880 --> 01:42:35,960
Speaker 1: I think Kevin solved it.

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01:42:36,080 --> 01:42:40,879
Speaker 18: Go ahead, Okay, great, all right, So this October, starting

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01:42:40,960 --> 01:42:44,240
Speaker 18: in the beginning of the month, we started to promote

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01:42:44,360 --> 01:42:48,240
Speaker 18: activities because, Carl, many people feel that right now we're

1830
01:42:48,280 --> 01:42:51,360
Speaker 18: in a time of crisis, and so we're trying to say,

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01:42:51,479 --> 01:42:55,920
Speaker 18: look like the ancient Chinese used to say, crisis is opportunity.

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01:42:56,720 --> 01:43:00,280
Speaker 18: We want to reach out to our community and say, yes,

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01:43:00,400 --> 01:43:03,400
Speaker 18: we have some issues that we're facing, but we're leaders.

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01:43:03,880 --> 01:43:06,680
Speaker 18: You're a leader, Everyone is a leader, and we have

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01:43:06,800 --> 01:43:08,640
Speaker 18: to take the time to look at this issue of

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01:43:08,800 --> 01:43:12,360
Speaker 18: violence and how we can address it. So our overall

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01:43:12,520 --> 01:43:17,040
Speaker 18: theme is to change the culture of violence in America

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01:43:17,200 --> 01:43:20,559
Speaker 18: and the world, and for the past fourteen years, that's

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01:43:20,600 --> 01:43:23,439
Speaker 18: what we've been working on. I really enjoyed listening to

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01:43:23,520 --> 01:43:27,240
Speaker 18: your last speaker, doctor Laroach, because she talked about the

1841
01:43:27,360 --> 01:43:30,920
Speaker 18: role of understanding history, and that is so critical for

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01:43:31,080 --> 01:43:35,040
Speaker 18: all people to realize that America was started with violence,

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01:43:35,760 --> 01:43:40,920
Speaker 18: the genocide against Native Americans, enslavement of our ancestors, even

1844
01:43:41,000 --> 01:43:44,479
Speaker 18: the Europeans who came over here an indentured servitude. So

1845
01:43:44,640 --> 01:43:48,040
Speaker 18: the history picture is important. So what we're doing is

1846
01:43:48,120 --> 01:43:51,760
Speaker 18: having events in different communities in the United States and

1847
01:43:51,880 --> 01:43:54,759
Speaker 18: around the world to change the culture of violence.

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01:43:56,720 --> 01:44:01,599
Speaker 1: All right, and the conferences of starts when it started October.

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01:44:01,680 --> 01:44:05,360
Speaker 18: See, there's not just one activity. We've had thirty activities

1850
01:44:05,840 --> 01:44:09,200
Speaker 18: around the country. A lot of them are virtual, so

1851
01:44:09,360 --> 01:44:13,320
Speaker 18: your listeners can go to montho Nonviolence dot org and

1852
01:44:13,439 --> 01:44:17,519
Speaker 18: they can sign up to participate personally in some of

1853
01:44:17,600 --> 01:44:21,640
Speaker 18: the activities happening over the next two weeks. These activities

1854
01:44:21,720 --> 01:44:25,160
Speaker 18: are online, some of them are face to face, so

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01:44:25,280 --> 01:44:28,639
Speaker 18: it's a combination of things. And I'll talk later about

1856
01:44:28,760 --> 01:44:31,280
Speaker 18: some of the examples of activities that we have had.

1857
01:44:31,680 --> 01:44:35,120
Speaker 18: But even more important, Carl, there's two weeks left, and

1858
01:44:35,240 --> 01:44:39,080
Speaker 18: the listeners can decide to have their own activities to

1859
01:44:39,280 --> 01:44:43,200
Speaker 18: address violence in their community. We know that violence starts

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01:44:43,240 --> 01:44:45,640
Speaker 18: at the kitchen table a lot of times now a

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01:44:45,680 --> 01:44:47,840
Speaker 18: lot of times it happens in the street, and we

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01:44:48,000 --> 01:44:52,200
Speaker 18: know that law enforcement and oppression against our community contributes

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01:44:52,240 --> 01:44:55,000
Speaker 18: to violence. But a lot of what we've learned, Carl,

1864
01:44:55,560 --> 01:44:58,840
Speaker 18: is there's so much going on in the household that

1865
01:44:59,000 --> 01:45:02,080
Speaker 18: people are secrets of about and don't want to talk about.

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01:45:02,439 --> 01:45:06,160
Speaker 18: So your listeners can create their own activity in their

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01:45:06,200 --> 01:45:10,760
Speaker 18: own home, in their own nonprofit or recreation center, at

1868
01:45:10,800 --> 01:45:15,280
Speaker 18: their church, at their job, pull together leaders and talk

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01:45:15,320 --> 01:45:18,280
Speaker 18: about what's going on in their lives and what kind

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01:45:18,320 --> 01:45:20,880
Speaker 18: of violence is there that no one's talking about, and

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01:45:21,040 --> 01:45:22,120
Speaker 18: how it can be stopped.

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Speaker 1: All right, fourteen and a half that top conscious your

1873
01:45:26,680 --> 01:45:29,639
Speaker 1: role in the Black Men for Positive Changes Conference.

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01:45:33,760 --> 01:45:37,120
Speaker 9: I'm sorry, Kate said again, can you.

1875
01:45:37,160 --> 01:45:39,519
Speaker 1: Tell us your role with in the conference with Black

1876
01:45:39,560 --> 01:45:40,639
Speaker 1: Women for Positive Change.

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Speaker 6: Oh well, I'm the owner of I'm the owner of

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01:45:45,520 --> 01:45:49,600
Speaker 6: Auntie Connie's Creative Corner, and I'm also are educated in

1879
01:45:49,640 --> 01:45:53,320
Speaker 6: the Prince George's County Public School system where I teach

1880
01:45:53,479 --> 01:45:58,680
Speaker 6: at Sarato High School. And so that's my connection with

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01:45:58,800 --> 01:46:01,160
Speaker 6: the Black Women for Positive of Change. And so this

1882
01:46:01,360 --> 01:46:05,120
Speaker 6: year and in the past two years, I've had the

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01:46:05,200 --> 01:46:09,800
Speaker 6: opportunity to serve with them in this amazing theme with

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01:46:10,040 --> 01:46:13,719
Speaker 6: dealing with nonviolence, and being that October is Domestic Violence

1885
01:46:13,760 --> 01:46:18,439
Speaker 6: Awareness Month, it just kind of one hand washes with

1886
01:46:18,560 --> 01:46:22,439
Speaker 6: the other in terms of getting out there understanding that peace.

1887
01:46:22,840 --> 01:46:27,040
Speaker 6: As doctor Meyers stated, peace starts at home. And so

1888
01:46:28,400 --> 01:46:31,000
Speaker 6: unlike last year, this year I decided to work with

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01:46:32,160 --> 01:46:37,280
Speaker 6: my own high school students dealing with peace, family and

1890
01:46:37,520 --> 01:46:42,719
Speaker 6: the whole concept of artificial intelligence. And so a couple

1891
01:46:42,800 --> 01:46:46,400
Speaker 6: of questions I had my students to answer before we

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01:46:46,520 --> 01:46:49,400
Speaker 6: got into the creative peace of it is like what

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01:46:49,640 --> 01:46:54,360
Speaker 6: does peace mean to them? And how does their families

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01:46:55,520 --> 01:47:00,479
Speaker 6: ensure that they live a peaceful life? And some of

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01:47:00,600 --> 01:47:05,599
Speaker 6: the responses were very you know, interesting, Some was like, well,

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01:47:05,720 --> 01:47:08,479
Speaker 6: Ms Kendall, what if you know I don't live with

1897
01:47:08,600 --> 01:47:10,679
Speaker 6: my family, and I was like, well, you know, there's

1898
01:47:10,720 --> 01:47:16,160
Speaker 6: still peace. And so they took their responses to the

1899
01:47:16,400 --> 01:47:21,400
Speaker 6: questions that I asked them and created some amazing artwork

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01:47:22,040 --> 01:47:26,080
Speaker 6: from that. And through the artwork, they had the opportunity

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01:47:26,280 --> 01:47:34,439
Speaker 6: to either created using mixed media meaning collaging, paining, drawing,

1902
01:47:35,360 --> 01:47:38,439
Speaker 6: or they could have did it hybrid which with that

1903
01:47:38,760 --> 01:47:45,240
Speaker 6: artificial intelligence piece designing a AI image and remixing it

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01:47:45,360 --> 01:47:48,719
Speaker 6: to make it their own. Or they had the opportunity

1905
01:47:48,800 --> 01:47:51,880
Speaker 6: to work with a group of other peers to create

1906
01:47:53,880 --> 01:47:56,719
Speaker 6: a collage of sorts or not a collage, I'm sorry,

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01:47:57,120 --> 01:47:58,639
Speaker 6: a mural of sorts.

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01:47:59,120 --> 01:47:59,360
Speaker 13: And so.

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01:48:01,160 --> 01:48:02,559
Speaker 1: I let you finish your thought. On the other side,

1910
01:48:02,560 --> 01:48:04,200
Speaker 1: we've got to step aside for a few moments. Family,

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01:48:04,360 --> 01:48:06,840
Speaker 1: just checking in. Our guess is conscious. Kanye just heard

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01:48:06,880 --> 01:48:09,519
Speaker 1: and also doctor Stephanie Myers from Black Women for Positive

1913
01:48:09,600 --> 01:48:13,160
Speaker 1: Change having their annual Month after nonviolence, and we're hearing

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01:48:13,360 --> 01:48:15,200
Speaker 1: some of the efforts are going to take place and

1915
01:48:15,439 --> 01:48:17,680
Speaker 1: how you can get involved as well. But right now

1916
01:48:17,680 --> 01:48:18,920
Speaker 1: we've got to step aside for a few months. To

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01:48:19,040 --> 01:48:21,200
Speaker 1: come back. You want to join this discussion, reach out

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Speaker 1: to us at eight hundred and four or five zero,

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Speaker 1: seventy eight, seventy six, and we'll take your phone calls

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Speaker 1: next and Grand Rising Family IFA actually staying with us

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Speaker 1: on this Wednesday morning at twenty minutes after the top

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Speaker 1: of the hour. Like guests from Black Women for Positive Change,

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Speaker 1: we have doctor Stephanie Myers also Constants Kinda and Constence

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Speaker 1: is also teachers at Sarratsville School in this is in

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Speaker 1: Peach County and Clinton, Maryland. I think that's the exactly

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Speaker 1: place where it is. Before we left, though, she was

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Speaker 1: we're talking about nonviolence and Black Women for Positive Change.

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Speaker 1: They half their month of nonviolence and this is part

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Speaker 1: of the program and consciences ask some of her students

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Speaker 1: about nonviolence. And before we left for the break, you

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Speaker 1: will tell us about some of the responses constens. So

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Speaker 1: can finished telling us some of the responses to the

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Speaker 1: students when you had them pose that question to them.

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Speaker 6: Yes, so I was saying that, you know, the responses

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Speaker 6: that the students were providing was very well. Some was

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Speaker 6: very encouraging to know that families do provide that peace

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Speaker 6: in the household and that some of the kids, you know,

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Speaker 6: their question was like, you know, well, what if I

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Speaker 6: don't live with my family, and I'm like, but there's

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Speaker 6: still peace, you know. And so from that they was

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Speaker 6: able to provide some some wealth of knowledge about themselves

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Speaker 6: in that household. That gave me the opportunity to learn

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Speaker 6: even more about them as individuals. And so they took

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Speaker 6: those responses and created some amazing artwork using using those responses.

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Speaker 6: Some did uh, they did remixes of AI images dealing

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Speaker 6: with peace and families. Uh, some did murals, some did collaging,

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Speaker 6: and all the work was just completely like just amazing.

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Speaker 6: I do plan. I have shared some of the samples

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Speaker 6: of examples to Doctor Myers and the Black Women for

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Speaker 6: Positive Change to see how our students see art and

1951
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Speaker 6: art is life and that's just something I've always told them.

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Speaker 6: They and they just took it and took peace and

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Speaker 6: family and artificial intelligence and created these amazing pieces of work.

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Speaker 1: Well, I got to ask you this question. Conscious saw

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Speaker 1: the students where they're sort of reluctant to get involved

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Speaker 1: because you know, whatever happens in the home stays in

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Speaker 1: the home. You know, people believe that they want to

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Speaker 1: put their business out on the street. Did you get

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Speaker 1: any pushback from any of the students on that issue.

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Speaker 8: Well, I didn't.

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Speaker 6: But see the thing about the questions, it wasn't a

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Speaker 6: thing where they needed to give me details. It was

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Speaker 6: somewhat like a yes or no. But then give me

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Speaker 6: just a little overall explanation on how I didn't ask

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Speaker 6: for like I didn't actually exactly detail information about the household.

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Speaker 1: All right, good deal, Dr Myers. How are you going

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Speaker 1: to use this information you got from Conscience?

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Speaker 7: Now?

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Speaker 1: I'm going to use it in the conference.

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Speaker 18: Well, the using art and music and poetry, those are

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Speaker 18: ways that we can really try to get people's attention

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Speaker 18: with this whole issue of how to stop violence. We

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Speaker 18: have a peace Pledge, for example, and this peace pledge

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Speaker 18: is something that we're reaching out to everyone to recite

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Speaker 18: the peace Pledge and filment and let's put it up

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Speaker 18: on social media. We have it on TikTok and Instagram.

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Speaker 18: And the idea of using art and music and recitation

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Speaker 18: and role playing, these are things that young people respond to.

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Speaker 18: Mayor Cherrell Parker of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania and Tavis Smiley have

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Speaker 18: done the peace Pledge, and one day, Carl, I hope

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Speaker 18: you'll do it, because we have to show the young

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Speaker 18: people that the people that they respect and admire the

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Speaker 18: role models believe in peace. We also have tried to

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Speaker 18: include subject matter that the young people are into. You

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Speaker 18: heard Miss Kinder talk about artificial intelligence and how she

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Speaker 18: integrated that into the art. Well, this is something that

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Speaker 18: we're also focusing on because our theme was the Month

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Speaker 18: of Nonviolence, Families and Understanding Artificial Intelligence, and one of

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Speaker 18: the guests of your show in the past, Reverend doctor

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Speaker 18: Barbara Reynolds. She hosted a workshop last Saturday with Adam

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Speaker 18: Clayton Powell, the third somebody you should have on your show,

1992
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Speaker 18: talking about artificial intelligence and what's next for the community. Well,

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Speaker 18: just like Constance Kinder integrated it into art, we have

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Speaker 18: to get people to realize artificial intelligence might contribute to

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Speaker 18: stopping violence, but we have to figure out how and

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Speaker 18: it may also contribute to starting violence. So we're looking

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Speaker 18: at how to understand art official intelligence and how to

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Speaker 18: work with the families. Miss Kinder talked about the kids,

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Speaker 18: saying that they didn't live with their family, but she

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Speaker 18: encouraged them to talk about peace anyway. Families are very

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01:53:12,439 --> 01:53:15,240
Speaker 18: very critical and one of the things we learned Carl

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Speaker 18: at one of our sessions this October, so many young

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Speaker 18: people are still experiencing domestic violence. One out of four women,

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Speaker 18: one out of five men. It's incredible. We had one

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Speaker 18: young lady who used to try to beat up her

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Speaker 18: father because he was beating up her mother, and after

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Speaker 18: he would start hitting moms, she would jump on him. Well,

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Speaker 18: eventually she got arrested. The child, fourteen years old, ended

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Speaker 18: up in juvenile delinquency because she was beating on her father.

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Speaker 18: But the good part of that story is when she

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Speaker 18: was in juvenile delinquency, she was exposed to anger management

2012
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Speaker 18: and other tools that could calm her down. Now she's

2013
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Speaker 18: working on her doctorate in nursing. She went from a

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Speaker 18: violent household to now getting her doctorate in nursing. So

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Speaker 18: we know that opportunity is possible, and that's what we

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Speaker 18: want to keep telling our people and telling ourselves.

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Speaker 1: You know, this begs this question, doctor Maija, that that

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Speaker 1: young young sister there she saw the violence you know home?

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Speaker 1: Does that she came That's what she grew up at.

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Speaker 1: That's her realm of existence with her parents fighting. Had

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Speaker 1: not there been some intervention, do you think she would

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Speaker 1: carry on perpetuate what she saw in the home when

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Speaker 1: she becomes an adult.

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Speaker 18: Absolutely She said it was her lifestyle, she was used

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Speaker 18: to it. And she wasn't the only speaker on this

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Speaker 18: panel that the National Black Nurses put together during the

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Speaker 18: Month of Nonviolence. Several of the women talked firsthand about

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Speaker 18: the violence they experienced as children and how it went

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Speaker 18: on and on and on. And this is how we

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Speaker 18: have to get your listeners, Carl. We have to be

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Speaker 18: the leaders. We have to hold institutions accountable. Your listeners

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Speaker 18: need to talk to their pastors, talk to the leaders

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Speaker 18: of the groups that they're a part of, and say, look,

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Speaker 18: we need to talk about how we can promote wellness

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Speaker 18: and healing in our families. How we can address issues

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Speaker 18: that are secretive, like violence. How can we get people

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Speaker 18: to talk about it, Carl. One time I asked the

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Speaker 18: minister if he would do a sermon on nonviolence and

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Speaker 18: domestic violence at his church, and he said, are you kidding?

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Speaker 18: He said, no way. Half of the people in my

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Speaker 18: church are either victims or perpetrators, and I'll lose my congregation.

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Speaker 18: Now that's unacceptable. We have to have our churches step

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Speaker 18: up and help the people in the church learn how

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Speaker 18: to transcend this violence heritage that comes out of slavery.

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Speaker 7: You know, we know what started it.

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Speaker 18: Our people in Africa did n't act this way. It

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Speaker 18: came out of slavery. So we have to change this culture.

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Speaker 18: And that's why we're so proud of the work that

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Speaker 18: Instance Kinder is doing out in Maryland, and we hope

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Speaker 18: that other schools and other people will imitate and follow

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Speaker 18: her lead. They can go to our website Month of

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Speaker 18: Nonviolence dot org. I'm saying it early, I know, but

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Speaker 18: I want to just give people the opportunity to know

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Speaker 18: that they can still sign up for activities and they

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01:56:18,520 --> 01:56:22,800
Speaker 18: can look at the Peace Pledge on Instagram and TikTok.

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Speaker 18: They can go to TikTok at Black Women for Pause

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Speaker 18: Change and listen to the mayors and listen to the

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Speaker 18: individuals doing the peace Pledge.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we're going to give you. Let you do that

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Speaker 1: information again before you leave here. At twenty eight after

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Speaker 1: top they I see the doctor Barbara renoldsis Jones. But

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Speaker 1: before we go back to go to doctor Renolds though

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Speaker 1: conscious kind of with the violence that you see on

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Speaker 1: school campuses, do the children that you interact with do

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Speaker 1: they understand the dynamics you know about nonviolence? Do they

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Speaker 1: really understand that because a lot of times when you

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Speaker 1: get in it's so impulsive you don't have time to

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Speaker 1: really consider how to calm down. Do they understand all

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Speaker 1: of that stuff?

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Speaker 6: I don't find that in most cases they do understand.

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Speaker 6: But as doctor Mayas shared, in some cases, because of

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Speaker 6: the community that they're in and in some cases the

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Speaker 6: families that they belong to, they think that's part of

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Speaker 6: the culture. They think that's what they're supposed to do.

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Speaker 6: And so what we we just do our very best

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Speaker 6: as the adults to just share with them that there's

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Speaker 6: more than one way to solve a conflict. Solving conflict

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Speaker 6: does not always mean calling one another out of their names,

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Speaker 6: because that can lead to violence or put in your

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Speaker 6: hands on somebody. And so we work very hard with

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Speaker 6: working with our teenagers to express that that sentiment.

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Speaker 18: And there's an excellent organizations all the Dcpeace Team teaches

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01:58:02,640 --> 01:58:06,320
Speaker 18: what exactly she's talking about. We have organizations all over

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Speaker 18: the country that work on anger management. And just like

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Speaker 18: Kathy Hughes said in her message, knowing how to talk

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Speaker 18: to people is very very critical.

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Speaker 1: But you thirty after the top dodr mais you've expanded this.

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Speaker 1: It just was local and national. Now it's international. Can

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Speaker 1: you name drop for us some of the countries that

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Speaker 1: your organization is now working with.

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Speaker 18: Yes, we're very proud that we are working overseas with

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Speaker 18: the African Harmony Collective in Malawi, the Women in Mediation

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Speaker 18: Network in Legos, Nigeria, the Movement for African Emancipation in Legos.

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Speaker 18: We have participants in Sierra Leone, the Young Africans Community

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Speaker 18: Empowerment and they're having their own beautiful workshops. We even

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Speaker 18: have a young woman leaving from Chicago in a few

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Speaker 18: weeks going over with doctor E. S. Williams to Gambia

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Speaker 18: and they're going to lead a discussion over there on

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Speaker 18: nonviolence with young ladies who are also victims of gender violence.

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Speaker 18: And Mayor Jawara, he's in Contour and this is over

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Speaker 18: in Gambia. They're going to have an event, in fact,

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Speaker 18: it's October twenty second today where they're going to be

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Speaker 18: talking about ways to end violence and build stronger families.

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Speaker 18: So these countries overseas have gender violence, they have other

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Speaker 18: issues that they're dealing with, and it's really been wonderful

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Speaker 18: to see how we've been able to partner with ten

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Speaker 18: states in the United States and six countries overseas, and

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Speaker 18: one of our good brothers, Carl, of course, you're one

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Speaker 18: of our original good brothers and we're so.

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Speaker 6: Proud of that.

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Speaker 18: But one of our good brothers over in South Korea.

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Speaker 18: He's with Omega psci Fi and he put on an

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Speaker 18: event in South Korea in the school system where they

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Speaker 18: talked about violence and nonviolence and Omega Sci Fi Fraternity

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Speaker 18: was a part of that and their topic was is

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Speaker 18: the protection of womanhood and how they can protect girls

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Speaker 18: and it was really terrific. But I know Reverend Reynolds

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Speaker 18: is on and she's a real leader in artificial intelligence,

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Speaker 18: and I'm sure she'd like to contribute as well. But

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Speaker 18: there's lots going on in America and overseas, and we're

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Speaker 18: just very proud of that. But it's got to get

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Speaker 18: bigger because violence is a world problem. What we're seeing

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Speaker 18: go on in different countries in the world. It has

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Speaker 18: to stop because the creativity, the love, the beauty that

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Speaker 18: our community brings to the country and the world, that's

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Speaker 18: what we need to celebrate. And that's why we're promoting

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Speaker 18: the Peace Pledge, which I hope you'll let me say

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Speaker 18: before we're done, and that's why we're promoting the Month

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Speaker 18: of Nonviolence, Families and artificial intelligence all right, twenty eight.

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Speaker 1: Away from the top they she mentioned that doctor Reverend

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Speaker 1: doctor Barbara Reynolds is John Seln, founder of Say. Doctor

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Speaker 1: Reynolds is the Dean of Black Journalists. She broke the

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Speaker 1: ceiling for many of us in this business. Doctor Reynolds,

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Speaker 1: welcome back to the program.

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Speaker 7: Well, thank you.

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Speaker 9: I'm always.

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Speaker 7: To be on with you.

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Speaker 9: And of course this subject is so important to me

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Speaker 9: because I'm a chaplain for Black positive change and it's

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Speaker 9: written a book on artificial intelligence, and of course I

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Speaker 9: have so much respect for Cutting as art teacher and entrepreneur.

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Speaker 9: But just at one word of caution and that adults,

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Speaker 9: parents have to be looking at what our children are

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Speaker 9: doing online. There's a trend now for young people and

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Speaker 9: some old to use artificial intelligence as their therapists, that

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Speaker 9: they can tune into certain bots and discuss their problems

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Speaker 9: with them. And we don't know what kind of information

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Speaker 9: bots are giving.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 9: It's been one particular thing of how a bottom was

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Speaker 9: talking with this young person and the person was saying

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Speaker 9: that their parents were were not were mean to them.

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Speaker 9: So the bot uh, instructed them to kill them and

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Speaker 9: also killed their sister because she would tell. And this

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Speaker 9: is this is reports. I'm studying this and I have

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Speaker 9: a grand a grandchild that was over. She's a godchild.

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Speaker 9: And the whole time she was over, she was on

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Speaker 9: her cellphone. I kept saying, Hey, I'm the human here,

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Speaker 9: you can talk to me. And I said, what are

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Speaker 9: you doing? She says, well, I'm getting information from from

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Speaker 9: the phone on how to deal with my boyfriend and

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Speaker 9: and he's not treating me right, and so I'm talking

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Speaker 9: to him therapy. I said, well, do you do you

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Speaker 9: know that this is not a person, this is a machine.

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Speaker 9: Why do you choose over people? And she said, well,

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Speaker 9: because it doesn't he.

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Speaker 7: Doesn't judge me.

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Speaker 9: And so the fact that you know, young people are

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Speaker 9: thinking that these these are real people, and they're seeking

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Speaker 9: things that they can't get from real people. And we

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Speaker 9: don't know what they're looking at. You just look at

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Speaker 9: your kids, they're all on their phones. Do you know

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Speaker 9: who it's? So I'm trying to.

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Speaker 10: To, you know, put a word in here for a

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Speaker 10: more parent.

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Speaker 9: And an adult authority, because some adults just say, well,

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Speaker 9: we don't understand this stuff. So we just skip to

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Speaker 9: the kids. That's wrong. So that's right, that's right, that's true, Yes,

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Speaker 9: that I will. But but there are like you know,

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Speaker 9: doctor Marris points out, you know, you can do so

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Speaker 9: many great things.

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Speaker 4: You can write.

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Speaker 9: Yes, of course, now teachers are complaining that too many

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Speaker 9: of the children are sending into the homework that AI

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Speaker 9: and the kids don't have a clue what it is.

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Speaker 9: So I'm just saying a word of caution here, and

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Speaker 9: Carlos I can interject her. We had and it's not AI.

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Speaker 9: It's not evil, neither is it good. We just have

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Speaker 9: to be on guard to see what it's doing.

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Speaker 1: All right, hold up, all right there, Dodr Myrs, i'

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Speaker 1: let you respond when we get back. We have to

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Speaker 1: take a short break here twenty four minutes away from

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Speaker 1: the top of the our family, just checking in our

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Speaker 1: guess constant kinda doctor Stephanie Meyers, the Reverend doctor Barbara

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Speaker 1: Renalds all from Black Men for Positive Change. They're having

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Speaker 1: the annual month of nonfinance. You want to join this conversation,

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Speaker 1: reach out to us at eight hundred four or five

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Speaker 1: zero seventy eight seventy six and will take your phone

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Speaker 1: calls next all right family nineteen away from on top

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Speaker 1: of that with our guest from Black Women for Positive

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Speaker 1: Change that we have conscious kind of doctor Stephanie Meyers

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Speaker 1: and the Reverend doctor Barbara Reynolds. Before we go back

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Speaker 1: to them, let's remind you a comp lay this morning

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Speaker 1: we when speak of researcher brother Keaty Awadu. Brother Keaty

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Speaker 1: is stepping up for us and he's going to tell

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Speaker 1: us about the Ladies project that he's working on. And

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Speaker 1: tomorrow we're going to join by Morgan State Professor Doctor

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Speaker 1: Ray Wimbos will be here. Also the Million Women's March

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Speaker 1: Sister phill A will join us and DC Activates Doctor

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Speaker 1: Kakai Patterson will also be here as well. So if

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Speaker 1: you are in Baltimore, make sure you keep your radiar

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Speaker 1: locked in real tight on ten ten WLB or if

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Speaker 1: you're in the DMV, we're on fourteen fifty w L.

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Speaker 1: All right, before we left it, I think that Dr

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Speaker 1: Meyers wanted to respond to something that either Constance said

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Speaker 1: or Doctor Reynolds said, So go ahead, doctor Yes.

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Speaker 18: Doctor Reynolds was talking about the role of us of

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Speaker 18: young people and relating to artificial intelligence and the impact

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Speaker 18: it can have on their lives. Last week we had

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Speaker 18: a session over at Archifiicial Carol High School. Actually it

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Speaker 18: was this week, and doctor Sharie War pulled together about

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Speaker 18: fifty high school students to talk about the issue of

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Speaker 18: artificial intelligence and what impact it can have on their

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Speaker 18: lives and Carl the thing that was really wonderful about

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Speaker 18: it was to be in contact with these high school

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Speaker 18: students and see how brilliant they were. I mean, it

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Speaker 18: was just amazing. They all knew what they wanted to

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Speaker 18: do with their lives, their plans. It was so inspirational.

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Speaker 18: But they talked about artificial intelligence and their class work,

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Speaker 18: and they said, the problem is if you use AI

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Speaker 18: to do a school paper, AI may do a whole

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Speaker 18: ten pages for you, but you don't really know what

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Speaker 18: it means.

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Speaker 9: So you can turn the paper in.

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Speaker 18: And get your grade. But if someone were to ask

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Speaker 18: you a question, what's in the paper, you don't know

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Speaker 18: because you didn't do the research yourself. So the high

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Speaker 18: school students were saying that people should degraded on their

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Speaker 18: own work and not on the work of AI. The

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Speaker 18: high school students also felt that AI could be an

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Speaker 18: intervene in violence and arguments and help people find common

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Speaker 18: ground because AI wouldn't take either side. So our young

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Speaker 18: people have some brilliant ideas. And I'd like to thank

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Speaker 18: Mayor Muriel Bowser for the beautiful proclamation that she gave

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Speaker 18: for the Month of Nonviolence, and the Richard Wright School

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Speaker 18: that is also going to do a project with high

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Speaker 18: school students next week. So this is Carl, this is

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Speaker 18: where we can all play a role. Everyone listening can

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Speaker 18: really reach out to the schools, the churches, the community

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Speaker 18: agencies and do like Constance Kinders, doing like doctor Reynolds

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Speaker 18: is doing, and make a difference. Bring this subject of

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Speaker 18: violence up on the table because no one wants to

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Speaker 18: talk about it and make people face it and deal

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Speaker 18: with the personal experiences they've had and how they can

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Speaker 18: stop that from being handed on to the next generation.

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Speaker 1: Okay, sixting away from the top, Doctor Reynolds, I know

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Speaker 1: you've got written a book about AI and done a

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Speaker 1: lot of research and about intelligence. How can we use

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Speaker 1: AI to stop or you know, or reduce the incidents

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Speaker 1: of violence in our community.

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Speaker 9: Well, first of all, this is one thing that our

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Speaker 9: group that every instate we talk about the hot topics

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Speaker 9: of what's going on with AI and what we have

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Speaker 9: to do is to try to get people just to

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Speaker 9: stop everyday people to stop AI to learn that because

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Speaker 9: it's a great tool and that it's can't help all

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Speaker 9: of them. But what the ordinary the media are not

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Speaker 9: telling us is that it also has a dark side.

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Speaker 9: In fact, we had a panel uh last week, well

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Speaker 9: Adam Clayton Power was on it, and he was trying

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Speaker 9: to make sure that growing up's children of us do

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Speaker 9: not trust it as as a con for that because

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Speaker 9: it is still a machine and it's it's programmed by

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Speaker 9: people who have all kinds of reasons for doing so.

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Speaker 9: So I see so many everyday people their children are

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Speaker 9: using it in home and sometimes you say, well, what

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Speaker 9: what's what are they looking at? What what are they doing?

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Speaker 9: They say, oh, that's what that's what they do. Well,

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Speaker 9: we have had terrible reports of bosting children despicable things.

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Speaker 1: So this is what we do.

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Speaker 9: One of the things many things that Black Woman Propositive

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Speaker 9: Change does Every other Wednesday we are talking about the

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Speaker 9: latest topics, the good, the bad, and the ugly, and

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Speaker 9: one of these because it was the time when kids

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Speaker 9: had we had a problem. The first thing we could

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Speaker 9: do our parents, uh, even our pastors. But so many

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Speaker 9: people now they use Google. They're searching for solutions with

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Speaker 9: Google's It don't matter how much you like Google, it's

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Speaker 9: it's still a machine. So that's what we have to do,

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Speaker 9: is is talk about the importance of of of human interaction.

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Speaker 9: We know that AI has replaced humans in a very

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Speaker 9: visible way. When Elon Musk came in and replaced thousands

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Speaker 9: of workers in one day. You are now, you know,

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Speaker 9: searching for a way up. So we have to understand

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Speaker 9: it from all different aspects. And this is not the

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Speaker 9: same that Black Women's Positive Change or take a leadership

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Speaker 9: posisue to try to make our legislators have guardrails to

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Speaker 9: protect our children and protect us from misinformation as big.

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Speaker 18: And we're not We're not just a We're not just

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Speaker 18: a women's organization, Carl. We're Black Women for Positive Change.

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Speaker 18: But we invite men and young people and people of

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Speaker 18: all races to be a part of what we do.

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Speaker 18: And they could sign up at Black Women for Positive

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Speaker 18: Change dot org.

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Speaker 1: Right, you know, talk to mine as usually Sam going

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Speaker 1: to tell us, how did you come up with this

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Speaker 1: brain child for Black Women for Positive Change.

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Speaker 18: Well, we really had started off talking about career development

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Speaker 18: for young people. We wanted to focus on how young

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Speaker 18: people could come out of difficult situations and achieve. And

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Speaker 18: then Trayvon Martin got killed down there in Florida, and

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Speaker 18: we just got so upset about how this young man

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Speaker 18: could go looking for a refreshment, go to the convenience

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Speaker 18: store and then come home and someone attacks him and

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Speaker 18: kills him all the way back to his dad's home.

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Speaker 18: So we decided we wanted to do something to intervene,

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Speaker 18: and it was really reverand Reynolds was a part of

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Speaker 18: that whole discussion, and we decided we needed to highlight

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Speaker 18: this issue of violence, and we needed to give people

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Speaker 18: alternatives and choices, and that's why we came up with

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Speaker 18: the Nonviolence Initiatives. And right now we're reaching out to

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Speaker 18: people listening saying we want you to be a part

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Speaker 18: of this. We want you to learn the Nonviolence Peace Pledge,

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Speaker 18: which you can get at Month of Nonviolence dot org.

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Speaker 18: Make a video of yourself. These days, everyone is using

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Speaker 18: social media, so we should all use it also. Let's

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Speaker 18: start a movement. Last night, Carl, you probably heard that

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Speaker 18: CBS reported that there were millions of violent videos going

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Speaker 18: out over social media and Instagram, millions of them, millions

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Speaker 18: of violent videos. Well, we have to take the reverse

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Speaker 18: of that. We need millions of peace pledges, millions of

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Speaker 18: positis of examples like what Constance Kinder's doing at her school,

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Speaker 18: millions of pieces of art that show peace. We have

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Speaker 18: to start a movement to change this culture. And we

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Speaker 18: can do that because America has changed its culture before.

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Speaker 18: We know that we went from being in bondage. We're

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Speaker 18: not completely free yet, but we went from bondage to freedom.

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Speaker 18: We know that women went from being in the kitchen

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Speaker 18: to being CEOs of companies. We know that even straight

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Speaker 18: and gay people have changed their lifestyles over the last

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Speaker 18: ten or twenty years. So we know that there's a

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Speaker 18: lot of change that America could make. And that's what

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Speaker 18: we want to see, is that change all right.

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Speaker 1: Ten away from the top, doctor rendolds as doctor just

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Speaker 1: mentioned that there's hundreds of thousands of these these they

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Speaker 1: may be done by both. They're on there, you know,

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02:13:45,400 --> 02:13:48,360
Speaker 1: instigating violence, some of them even using black folks to

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Speaker 1: start finance against I saw one particular ones and this

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02:13:52,040 --> 02:13:54,800
Speaker 1: was put out by government officials, and black folks are

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02:13:54,840 --> 02:13:57,440
Speaker 1: going after the ice folks trying to pull us into

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02:13:57,520 --> 02:14:01,120
Speaker 1: that conflict. How can we determine what you know or

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02:14:01,240 --> 02:14:03,000
Speaker 1: can we determine which is really.

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Speaker 7: It's gonna be hard.

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Speaker 9: It's gonna be hard if you think that the latest

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02:14:09,320 --> 02:14:13,080
Speaker 9: instrument of violence we had the President of the United

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02:14:13,120 --> 02:14:18,560
Speaker 9: States that use AI to present himself as a king

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02:14:18,920 --> 02:14:25,840
Speaker 9: in a airplane of dumping feces on people who were protesting.

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02:14:27,000 --> 02:14:30,560
Speaker 9: As an old person, I was hurt by that, but

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02:14:30,720 --> 02:14:34,280
Speaker 9: I think about all the negative symbols. What about a

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02:14:34,440 --> 02:14:37,480
Speaker 9: kid looking at that and saying, the president is dumping

2361
02:14:37,560 --> 02:14:40,760
Speaker 9: feces on us. Well, that's what we have to do

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02:14:41,040 --> 02:14:45,920
Speaker 9: is learn how to do the images to have the platforms.

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02:14:46,000 --> 02:14:49,320
Speaker 9: Right now, our history is being taken from us. Of

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Speaker 9: there are the history that we had at the Africa

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Speaker 9: Eric Museum.

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Speaker 5: Some of that is being erasist.

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Speaker 9: But we can't have platforms like Conne is doing to

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02:15:00,280 --> 02:15:04,520
Speaker 9: show our great history, to show our great leaders. We're

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02:15:04,600 --> 02:15:08,760
Speaker 9: going to have to be more uh preemptive and thoughtful

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02:15:09,240 --> 02:15:13,960
Speaker 9: that yes, we can give a put of a positive

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02:15:14,200 --> 02:15:18,640
Speaker 9: change kinds of images out there to come at the

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02:15:18,920 --> 02:15:22,200
Speaker 9: history that's being taken away from us. There's a road

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02:15:22,400 --> 02:15:25,960
Speaker 9: to play. We just have to get a train and

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02:15:26,880 --> 02:15:31,560
Speaker 9: positive change our group. We even we have started with

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02:15:31,760 --> 02:15:36,879
Speaker 9: training sessions uh to show people how to use plumps.

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02:15:37,520 --> 02:15:40,520
Speaker 9: In the next stage will be to show we can

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02:15:40,680 --> 02:15:44,480
Speaker 9: use images to make films and to and to make

2378
02:15:44,560 --> 02:15:48,520
Speaker 9: them apps and all these different things. We can do this.

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02:15:48,800 --> 02:15:50,960
Speaker 7: We just have to set our goals differently.

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02:15:51,880 --> 02:15:54,080
Speaker 1: Got youa ate away from the top down conscious. I

2381
02:15:54,120 --> 02:15:55,480
Speaker 1: want to go back to you and and and the

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02:15:55,600 --> 02:15:59,160
Speaker 1: children that you're work at your school when you approach

2383
02:15:59,240 --> 02:16:02,720
Speaker 1: them about when stuff like this, because you know, this

2384
02:16:02,840 --> 02:16:05,480
Speaker 1: is where the imagination comes in and they can create

2385
02:16:05,560 --> 02:16:08,600
Speaker 1: all kinds of because their brain is right now more

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02:16:08,640 --> 02:16:13,040
Speaker 1: fertile than was old folks did were you surprised? Were

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Speaker 1: some of the things that came up with Wisconsin still

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Speaker 1: with us?

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Speaker 6: Actually I wasn't because I are you know, because it

2390
02:16:23,520 --> 02:16:27,480
Speaker 6: was a project. It had guidelines to the project. So

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02:16:28,360 --> 02:16:32,320
Speaker 6: giving them the three different types of format formatting options

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02:16:32,360 --> 02:16:37,280
Speaker 6: that they had to use to create their pieces, they

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02:16:37,879 --> 02:16:40,280
Speaker 6: they you know, once I gave them that format, gave

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02:16:40,320 --> 02:16:44,880
Speaker 6: them some level of instruction that I allowed them to

2395
02:16:45,120 --> 02:16:47,880
Speaker 6: allow their creative juices to flow to come up with

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02:16:47,959 --> 02:16:50,120
Speaker 6: their final compositions.

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Speaker 1: And well, what greats are we talking about?

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Speaker 6: Ninth through twelfth grade.

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Speaker 1: And boys and girls.

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Speaker 6: Yeah this, uh you know, Sir, Ritchfeld High School is

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02:17:02,800 --> 02:17:05,280
Speaker 6: a public high schools in Pretty George's County, And because

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02:17:05,280 --> 02:17:07,320
Speaker 6: I'm an art teacher, I teach all grade levels.

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Speaker 1: Oh good. I'm happy to hear the response though, because

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02:17:11,520 --> 02:17:14,400
Speaker 1: you know, sometimes folks, folks, well children don't want to

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02:17:14,440 --> 02:17:17,800
Speaker 1: get involved in stuff like that that's too corny or

2406
02:17:17,840 --> 02:17:20,800
Speaker 1: something like that. You know, their minds are thinking different

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02:17:20,840 --> 02:17:22,920
Speaker 1: from adults. So I'm glad to see that they were

2408
02:17:23,040 --> 02:17:25,120
Speaker 1: embraced what you what you were trying to teach them.

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02:17:25,160 --> 02:17:27,560
Speaker 1: Hopefully they came away with some ideas as well.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, this was an embracement because number one is a

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02:17:30,959 --> 02:17:35,760
Speaker 6: very good topic. One and two artists art. As I said,

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02:17:35,959 --> 02:17:41,520
Speaker 6: artist life and art is a graduation requirement. So they

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02:17:41,760 --> 02:17:45,520
Speaker 6: they received some reward for doing the project.

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Speaker 1: Good to hear that stix away from the topic. And

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Speaker 1: doctor Minis, you've used all kinds of different art with

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02:17:52,200 --> 02:17:55,000
Speaker 1: young people. I know you've had rappers, you've done a

2417
02:17:55,080 --> 02:17:57,640
Speaker 1: movie on that. Any other plans to continue on that

2418
02:17:57,720 --> 02:17:59,279
Speaker 1: in that road with our young.

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02:17:59,120 --> 02:18:02,760
Speaker 18: People, absolutely, and this peace pledge is one of them.

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02:18:03,040 --> 02:18:04,920
Speaker 18: And if it's okay, Carl I'd like to read it.

2421
02:18:05,040 --> 02:18:08,920
Speaker 18: It's very brief, and we also have a contest coming up.

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02:18:09,280 --> 02:18:13,320
Speaker 18: People listening, you can have a contest with this peace pledge,

2423
02:18:13,800 --> 02:18:15,720
Speaker 18: and I'm going to read it now, but you can

2424
02:18:15,800 --> 02:18:18,720
Speaker 18: have the kids rap it, sing it, dance it, and

2425
02:18:18,840 --> 02:18:22,000
Speaker 18: then maybe give them winners an award. And so for

2426
02:18:22,120 --> 02:18:24,760
Speaker 18: a young person to win one hundred dollars by wrapping

2427
02:18:24,879 --> 02:18:29,080
Speaker 18: the peace Pledge, that's inspirational. And this is how it goes,

2428
02:18:29,520 --> 02:18:33,240
Speaker 18: the non Violence Peace Pledge. I pledge to uphold peace

2429
02:18:33,680 --> 02:18:37,120
Speaker 18: in the name of nonviolence and to work to keep

2430
02:18:37,200 --> 02:18:40,960
Speaker 18: my brothers and sisters safe. I promise to seek the

2431
02:18:41,040 --> 02:18:44,680
Speaker 18: path of peace and to treat others with fairness and respect.

2432
02:18:45,240 --> 02:18:48,119
Speaker 18: I pledge to do this for the sake of humanity,

2433
02:18:48,520 --> 02:18:52,119
Speaker 18: so we can all live together in peace and harmony.

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02:18:52,560 --> 02:18:56,800
Speaker 18: Now that can make a beautiful song, beautiful art, beautiful dance,

2435
02:18:56,879 --> 02:19:01,119
Speaker 18: beautiful rap. So I'm ask we're reaching out saying people,

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02:19:01,240 --> 02:19:03,840
Speaker 18: you can do this and send us the videos and

2437
02:19:03,920 --> 02:19:06,480
Speaker 18: we will put them up on social media. And let's

2438
02:19:06,480 --> 02:19:11,360
Speaker 18: start our own trend, our own positive non violence trend

2439
02:19:11,800 --> 02:19:15,560
Speaker 18: to change the culture of violence in America and the world.

2440
02:19:15,920 --> 02:19:20,160
Speaker 18: We can do this, particularly our community the brilliance. We

2441
02:19:20,320 --> 02:19:24,080
Speaker 18: have the historians, the Dean of Journalism, Reverend Doctor Reynolds,

2442
02:19:24,640 --> 02:19:28,920
Speaker 18: art teachers like Constance Kinder. We have people like Adam

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02:19:28,959 --> 02:19:31,320
Speaker 18: Clayton Palell the third, the son of one of the

2444
02:19:31,400 --> 02:19:36,600
Speaker 18: most famous black men in American history, Denise Turley, who's brilliant,

2445
02:19:36,640 --> 02:19:39,720
Speaker 18: who was on Reverend Reynolds panel, and Carl. One of

2446
02:19:39,760 --> 02:19:43,039
Speaker 18: the things people can gain by affiliating with us, they

2447
02:19:43,120 --> 02:19:46,720
Speaker 18: will meet people at a price they can afford, where

2448
02:19:46,800 --> 02:19:49,280
Speaker 18: if they went to some big conference somewhere to hear

2449
02:19:50,240 --> 02:19:53,440
Speaker 18: Adam Clayton Powell the Third, they might pay thousands of dollars.

2450
02:19:54,600 --> 02:19:58,280
Speaker 18: So while it's still affordable. We encourage people to join

2451
02:19:58,440 --> 02:20:01,280
Speaker 18: Black Women for Positive Change and be a part of

2452
02:20:01,360 --> 02:20:04,560
Speaker 18: the Month of Nonviolence dot org. We can start planning

2453
02:20:04,640 --> 02:20:05,600
Speaker 18: now for next year.

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02:20:06,680 --> 02:20:08,000
Speaker 1: All right, hold that through right then, and if you

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02:20:08,040 --> 02:20:09,720
Speaker 1: don't mind, I'd love for you to do that pledge

2456
02:20:09,720 --> 02:20:11,080
Speaker 1: again when we get back. Well, we got to take

2457
02:20:11,080 --> 02:20:13,959
Speaker 1: a quick break here so our stations can identify themselves

2458
02:20:14,000 --> 02:20:16,000
Speaker 1: down the line. Family, you want to join this discussion,

2459
02:20:16,080 --> 02:20:18,240
Speaker 1: reach out to us at eight hundred four five zero

2460
02:20:18,800 --> 02:20:21,280
Speaker 1: seventy eight seventy six. You two can meet the ladies

2461
02:20:21,360 --> 02:20:23,640
Speaker 1: from Black Women for Positive Change, and we'll take your

2462
02:20:23,640 --> 02:20:26,520
Speaker 1: phone calls next and Grand Rising Family infects you're rolling

2463
02:20:26,560 --> 02:20:29,120
Speaker 1: with us on this Wednesday morning. We have three ladies

2464
02:20:29,160 --> 02:20:31,440
Speaker 1: from a Black Women from Positive Change constants came there,

2465
02:20:31,560 --> 02:20:34,400
Speaker 1: Doctor Stephanie Miles and the Reverend doctor Parper Reynolds. And

2466
02:20:34,480 --> 02:20:37,760
Speaker 1: the Month of Nonviolence conference is underway right now, still

2467
02:20:37,800 --> 02:20:39,760
Speaker 1: got a couple of weeks left and you can also

2468
02:20:39,840 --> 02:20:42,200
Speaker 1: get involved. But before we let them go, I want

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02:20:42,840 --> 02:20:44,800
Speaker 1: doctor Meyers if she can do the pledge for us

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02:20:44,840 --> 02:20:46,960
Speaker 1: one more time, because I think it's very important. So

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02:20:47,080 --> 02:20:48,560
Speaker 1: dodtr Mayus, can you do that for us?

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02:20:49,640 --> 02:20:53,520
Speaker 18: Absolutely very pleased to do that. And Tavis Smiley and

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02:20:53,640 --> 02:20:56,240
Speaker 18: Mayor Cherrelle Parker have done the pledge and we hope

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02:20:56,280 --> 02:21:00,400
Speaker 18: everyone else will who's listening the non Violence piece pledge.

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02:21:01,280 --> 02:21:05,320
Speaker 18: I pledge to uphold peace in the name of nonviolence

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02:21:05,840 --> 02:21:09,959
Speaker 18: and to work to keep my brothers and sisters safe.

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02:21:10,720 --> 02:21:14,120
Speaker 18: I promise to seek the path of peace and to

2478
02:21:14,240 --> 02:21:19,120
Speaker 18: treat others with fairness and respect. I pledge to do

2479
02:21:19,280 --> 02:21:22,920
Speaker 18: this for the sake of humanity, so we can all

2480
02:21:23,160 --> 02:21:28,240
Speaker 18: live together in peace and harmony. And this was written

2481
02:21:28,320 --> 02:21:32,000
Speaker 18: by Black women for Positive Change. It's copyrighted, but we're

2482
02:21:32,120 --> 02:21:35,280
Speaker 18: inviting people to please send us your videos so we

2483
02:21:35,360 --> 02:21:39,080
Speaker 18: can put them up or you can post them up yourself, all.

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02:21:39,040 --> 02:21:42,720
Speaker 1: Right, and give us information about the conference. What's still

2485
02:21:42,760 --> 02:21:43,800
Speaker 1: on the agenda.

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02:21:44,360 --> 02:21:47,800
Speaker 18: Well, we invite people to go to montho Nonviolence dot

2487
02:21:47,959 --> 02:21:50,760
Speaker 18: org and we have a terrific event coming up October

2488
02:21:50,879 --> 02:21:56,560
Speaker 18: twenty seventh on conflict resolution. William McMurray out of Chicago.

2489
02:21:56,800 --> 02:21:59,920
Speaker 18: He and his daughter do a project on helping people

2490
02:22:00,440 --> 02:22:04,320
Speaker 18: learn how to say protect weapons in their homes. A

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02:22:04,400 --> 02:22:07,359
Speaker 18: lot of people have guns around the house and sometimes

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02:22:07,400 --> 02:22:10,160
Speaker 18: a kid gets the gun and shoots himself for his

2493
02:22:10,280 --> 02:22:14,280
Speaker 18: siblings or his parents. What mister McMurray is doing is

2494
02:22:14,400 --> 02:22:19,760
Speaker 18: he's teaching people through Operation Rack Operation Racket Up, how

2495
02:22:19,879 --> 02:22:24,880
Speaker 18: to put together a safety way to store weapons safely.

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02:22:24,959 --> 02:22:27,840
Speaker 18: It's going to be October twenty seventh, and if people

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02:22:27,920 --> 02:22:31,000
Speaker 18: go to that website they can sign up. It's free

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02:22:31,360 --> 02:22:33,760
Speaker 18: and they can see that for people that are down

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02:22:33,840 --> 02:22:36,600
Speaker 18: in Virginia. At Portsmouth, Virginia, there's going to be an

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02:22:36,640 --> 02:22:39,960
Speaker 18: event Saturday, October twenty fifth, and this will be with

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02:22:40,120 --> 02:22:45,160
Speaker 18: young people, performances, music and stories. It's put on by

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02:22:45,200 --> 02:22:49,600
Speaker 18: the Virginia Center for Public Safety, Reverend Mark Julius Hayes,

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02:22:50,080 --> 02:22:52,080
Speaker 18: and it's a part of what they're doing is getting

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02:22:52,120 --> 02:22:55,640
Speaker 18: the young people together to put together the Peace Pledge

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02:22:56,000 --> 02:22:59,600
Speaker 18: and other ideas that they have in music and different ways.

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02:23:00,080 --> 02:23:02,520
Speaker 18: So if people go on the website, they'll see at

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02:23:02,560 --> 02:23:06,520
Speaker 18: Howard University they have a drum circle on Thursdays at

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02:23:06,600 --> 02:23:09,640
Speaker 18: six point thirty and the drum circle is dedicated to

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02:23:09,760 --> 02:23:12,879
Speaker 18: peace and they did the Peace Pledge. So there's still

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02:23:12,959 --> 02:23:16,280
Speaker 18: activities the time. It goes on through October, but it

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02:23:16,360 --> 02:23:19,840
Speaker 18: goes on through November December. There is no time limit

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02:23:20,000 --> 02:23:22,480
Speaker 18: on what we can do to promote peace. And the

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02:23:22,560 --> 02:23:26,440
Speaker 18: one hundred Fathers and the Youth Academy October twenty ninth,

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02:23:26,720 --> 02:23:28,120
Speaker 18: this is what they're going to do over at the

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02:23:28,240 --> 02:23:31,439
Speaker 18: Richard Wright School and they're going to have this contest

2516
02:23:32,120 --> 02:23:34,040
Speaker 18: and that's going to be wonderful because the kids are

2517
02:23:34,080 --> 02:23:37,000
Speaker 18: going to compete over who can do the best Peace Pledge.

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02:23:37,400 --> 02:23:39,920
Speaker 18: So these are just creative things that our people are

2519
02:23:40,000 --> 02:23:41,640
Speaker 18: coming up with and it's just wonderful.

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02:23:42,600 --> 02:23:45,880
Speaker 1: All right at conscious for I'll let you go your school.

2521
02:23:45,920 --> 02:23:47,680
Speaker 1: Are you going to continue this or are you going

2522
02:23:47,760 --> 02:23:52,400
Speaker 1: to expand it. What's the future for this non violence

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02:23:52,480 --> 02:23:53,879
Speaker 1: pledge that you started at your school.

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02:23:54,720 --> 02:23:59,360
Speaker 6: Well, as I was listening to doctor Myers, what I

2525
02:23:59,560 --> 02:24:03,080
Speaker 6: think I want. I would like to do, in collaboration

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02:24:03,400 --> 02:24:09,000
Speaker 6: with our student service learning coordinator, possibly having our kids

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02:24:09,240 --> 02:24:14,280
Speaker 6: do the TikTok, do the music, do the dance and

2528
02:24:14,440 --> 02:24:17,000
Speaker 6: be able to share this and in this way it's twofold.

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02:24:17,080 --> 02:24:20,720
Speaker 6: They're putting a positive message out as well as to

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02:24:20,840 --> 02:24:25,279
Speaker 6: the community, as well as earning this student service learning hours.

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02:24:25,640 --> 02:24:28,280
Speaker 6: So that's something I'm going to talk to to our

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02:24:28,360 --> 02:24:31,760
Speaker 6: coordinator about and see how we can can incorporate that

2533
02:24:31,959 --> 02:24:35,600
Speaker 6: in our building and incorporate it, you know, maybe you

2534
02:24:35,680 --> 02:24:39,160
Speaker 6: know again as the year go on, or in addition

2535
02:24:39,280 --> 02:24:43,279
Speaker 6: to during my art classes, being able to have different

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02:24:43,720 --> 02:24:47,640
Speaker 6: opportunities where they are using their creativity to show peace

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02:24:48,280 --> 02:24:51,840
Speaker 6: not only through at our school but in their own

2538
02:24:51,920 --> 02:24:53,640
Speaker 6: individual lives and in our community.

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02:24:54,680 --> 02:24:57,520
Speaker 1: All right, And doctor Reynolds, tell us about your book.

2540
02:24:57,560 --> 02:24:59,959
Speaker 1: How can folks get your book about AI Autificial intail?

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02:25:01,480 --> 02:25:05,440
Speaker 9: Yeah, it's tall the rise and fall of the techno

2542
02:25:05,560 --> 02:25:10,680
Speaker 9: facide artificial intelligence in the end times. And I was

2543
02:25:10,800 --> 02:25:13,440
Speaker 9: just thinking if the members of Congress, which is to

2544
02:25:13,720 --> 02:25:16,360
Speaker 9: is peace glass, then maybe we could get back to

2545
02:25:16,840 --> 02:25:20,760
Speaker 9: work and open up the government. So I have great.

2546
02:25:23,920 --> 02:25:26,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, if we can get them and taking the police, presume,

2547
02:25:26,440 --> 02:25:30,040
Speaker 1: this will be a better world, that's for sure. But

2548
02:25:30,280 --> 02:25:32,360
Speaker 1: Dr Morris, how can folks that can one more time?

2549
02:25:32,400 --> 02:25:34,680
Speaker 1: How can folks join if they want to get more

2550
02:25:34,720 --> 02:25:37,199
Speaker 1: information about Black Women for Positive Change?

2551
02:25:38,200 --> 02:25:42,119
Speaker 18: Sure, we invite everyone, including our good brothers and people

2552
02:25:42,440 --> 02:25:45,760
Speaker 18: from all communities to join Black Women for Positive Change

2553
02:25:46,080 --> 02:25:49,480
Speaker 18: at the website black Women for Positive Change dot org.

2554
02:25:50,000 --> 02:25:52,920
Speaker 18: They can sign up there. Our dunes are modest, and

2555
02:25:53,040 --> 02:25:55,960
Speaker 18: they can join us for year twenty twenty six. And

2556
02:25:56,080 --> 02:25:58,440
Speaker 18: then for those people who want to still get involved

2557
02:25:58,440 --> 02:26:01,560
Speaker 18: with the Month of Nonviolence, it's not too late. Go

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02:26:01,760 --> 02:26:05,080
Speaker 18: to Month of Nonviolence dot org and you will see

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02:26:05,160 --> 02:26:09,800
Speaker 18: beautiful flyers that our organizations have put together to demonstrate

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02:26:09,959 --> 02:26:12,600
Speaker 18: how they can get the word out to the community.

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02:26:12,920 --> 02:26:15,720
Speaker 18: We just need help. We're reaching hundreds of people, but

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02:26:15,800 --> 02:26:19,200
Speaker 18: we need to reaching thousands of people. Hundreds of thousands

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02:26:19,280 --> 02:26:22,280
Speaker 18: of people. And the people on your Carl, Carl are

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02:26:22,400 --> 02:26:26,320
Speaker 18: leaders in every single dimension of our community. You have them,

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02:26:26,400 --> 02:26:30,560
Speaker 18: so I hope they will respond www. Month of Nonviolence

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02:26:30,640 --> 02:26:31,160
Speaker 18: dot org.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm sitting forsh so when you started and

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02:26:35,240 --> 02:26:39,960
Speaker 1: now you're went national, now international, just congratulations, it's just growing.

2569
02:26:40,200 --> 02:26:43,080
Speaker 1: Obviously you've got something good going here. That's why it's spreading.

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02:26:43,120 --> 02:26:46,720
Speaker 1: Levis Ione just want to thank you for that. Dodor Marius, Well.

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Speaker 18: Thank you, and you've certainly made it happen, Carl, because

2572
02:26:49,160 --> 02:26:51,920
Speaker 18: you have made us a part of your show for years.

2573
02:26:52,360 --> 02:26:55,920
Speaker 18: We appreciate being part of the family, the Grand Rising family,

2574
02:26:56,400 --> 02:26:59,280
Speaker 18: and it's made a big difference because you have communicated

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02:26:59,600 --> 02:27:02,680
Speaker 18: that we're okay, we're legitimate, we're all in this together.

2576
02:27:03,080 --> 02:27:05,320
Speaker 18: So thank you very much. We appreciate it.

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02:27:05,879 --> 02:27:08,200
Speaker 1: All right. Thank you, and thank you ladies, and thank

2578
02:27:08,240 --> 02:27:09,440
Speaker 1: you for the work that you do, and thank you

2579
02:27:09,480 --> 02:27:10,760
Speaker 1: what you shared with us this morning.

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02:27:12,120 --> 02:27:14,520
Speaker 9: Thank you is honor to be a part of this,

2581
02:27:15,600 --> 02:27:15,959
Speaker 9: all right.

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02:27:17,440 --> 02:27:22,119
Speaker 1: That's a conscious doctor Stephanie Meis and also Reverend doctor

2583
02:27:22,200 --> 02:27:25,120
Speaker 1: Barbara Reynolds from Black Women for Positive Change Stereo tention.

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02:27:25,280 --> 02:27:29,440
Speaker 1: Now to our next guest researcher chef musician is a

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02:27:29,600 --> 02:27:33,600
Speaker 1: multi talented person, Brother Katy Awadu, Brother Keaty grand Rising.

2586
02:27:33,720 --> 02:27:34,920
Speaker 1: Welcome back to the program.

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02:27:36,120 --> 02:27:37,960
Speaker 19: What a joy, what a joy it is to be

2588
02:27:38,120 --> 02:27:40,760
Speaker 19: with you today. Karl Nelson on this beautiful show Grand

2589
02:27:40,840 --> 02:27:42,720
Speaker 19: Rising to you and to the entire family.

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02:27:43,840 --> 02:27:47,720
Speaker 1: I thank you for chipping in just late notice, brother Keaty,

2591
02:27:47,760 --> 02:27:50,560
Speaker 1: because so not everybody can come call, you know, but

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02:27:50,680 --> 02:27:53,360
Speaker 1: we need a short space and time. Thank you for

2593
02:27:53,440 --> 02:27:55,680
Speaker 1: getting about that out there in Vegas. Thank you for

2594
02:27:55,760 --> 02:27:59,280
Speaker 1: doing that for us. But brother Keaty, you you've got

2595
02:27:59,320 --> 02:28:04,360
Speaker 1: your hands sum much different pies and that as well.

2596
02:28:04,680 --> 02:28:07,199
Speaker 1: But brother Katie, what are you working on now, because

2597
02:28:07,240 --> 02:28:08,680
Speaker 1: you do a lot of research.

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02:28:09,920 --> 02:28:10,160
Speaker 7: Yeah.

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02:28:12,080 --> 02:28:12,440
Speaker 4: I did.

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02:28:12,560 --> 02:28:17,959
Speaker 19: Between December twenty twenty four and May twenty twenty five,

2601
02:28:18,520 --> 02:28:22,520
Speaker 19: I released a series of nine books. So that burst

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02:28:22,600 --> 02:28:26,520
Speaker 19: of books it comes out, it gives me a fuel

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02:28:26,800 --> 02:28:28,840
Speaker 19: to you know, engage for the rest of the year,

2604
02:28:29,200 --> 02:28:31,520
Speaker 19: and I can stay in those books and keep coming.

2605
02:28:31,959 --> 02:28:35,080
Speaker 19: The last of the nine books I released was called

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02:28:35,080 --> 02:28:40,920
Speaker 19: A Year Against Cancer. So not only am I very

2607
02:28:41,040 --> 02:28:44,880
Speaker 19: well researched on this broad topic, a complex topic, but

2608
02:28:45,040 --> 02:28:49,520
Speaker 19: I also do continue to engage, so clients will contact

2609
02:28:49,640 --> 02:28:52,640
Speaker 19: me every week or two or something like that. And

2610
02:28:53,240 --> 02:28:58,160
Speaker 19: right now I've just taken on another invasive ductile breast

2611
02:28:58,520 --> 02:29:02,400
Speaker 19: cancer patient. So my research then will pick up from

2612
02:29:02,440 --> 02:29:04,680
Speaker 19: that point on and I'll go even deeper into it.

2613
02:29:05,879 --> 02:29:08,080
Speaker 1: So what have you found, brother Katie? Is there an

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02:29:08,160 --> 02:29:10,960
Speaker 1: actual cure for cancer? And the keeping it from us

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02:29:11,000 --> 02:29:12,880
Speaker 1: is because I keep hearing that, but I haven't seen

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02:29:12,920 --> 02:29:13,400
Speaker 1: any proof.

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02:29:15,760 --> 02:29:18,480
Speaker 19: The best proof that we can look to to see

2618
02:29:18,760 --> 02:29:22,200
Speaker 19: an actual cure for cancer would be based upon the

2619
02:29:22,400 --> 02:29:26,920
Speaker 19: answer to the question what causes cancer? And when we

2620
02:29:27,120 --> 02:29:30,640
Speaker 19: ask that question what causes cancer, there are a number

2621
02:29:30,959 --> 02:29:37,400
Speaker 19: of different carcinogens and different causes that have been promoted,

2622
02:29:38,000 --> 02:29:41,280
Speaker 19: so one we can look for the cure. From Otto

2623
02:29:41,400 --> 02:29:46,480
Speaker 19: Warburger around nineteen thirties, he won two Nobel Prizes in

2624
02:29:46,560 --> 02:29:48,720
Speaker 19: his life. He was a German and he won two

2625
02:29:48,800 --> 02:29:53,480
Speaker 19: Nobel Prizes, one of which talked about what causes cancer?

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02:29:53,959 --> 02:29:58,120
Speaker 19: And according to doctor Otto Warburg, cancer is essentially a

2627
02:29:58,280 --> 02:30:05,240
Speaker 19: disease of metabolis where we are unable to properly process

2628
02:30:05,600 --> 02:30:10,520
Speaker 19: oxygen on a cellular level. And when this happens on

2629
02:30:10,600 --> 02:30:13,760
Speaker 19: the cellular level, the mitochondria of the engine inside the

2630
02:30:13,840 --> 02:30:16,960
Speaker 19: cell is deprived of oxygen. The cell goes into a

2631
02:30:17,200 --> 02:30:23,160
Speaker 19: secondary stage of metabolism, creating energy. And so when the

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02:30:23,320 --> 02:30:30,920
Speaker 19: cell moves from what's called u carriotic e uko ryotic, no,

2633
02:30:31,080 --> 02:30:36,119
Speaker 19: it's not well kryotic. When it moves from eukaryotic to prokaryotic,

2634
02:30:36,240 --> 02:30:41,160
Speaker 19: my misspelled carriotic. But when it moves from eukaryotic to prokaryotic,

2635
02:30:41,440 --> 02:30:45,520
Speaker 19: it goes to cancerous. And so what we can do

2636
02:30:45,760 --> 02:30:52,600
Speaker 19: to prevent cancer is first and foremost, learn how to breathe. Now,

2637
02:30:52,840 --> 02:30:56,000
Speaker 19: then there's a whole bunch of other different things that

2638
02:30:56,160 --> 02:30:59,920
Speaker 19: cause cancer. We do know that cancer drugs, cancer chemo

2639
02:31:00,120 --> 02:31:03,800
Speaker 19: therapies are known to cause drugs. Where we look across

2640
02:31:03,840 --> 02:31:07,000
Speaker 19: the broad spectrum of pharmaceutical drugs and we know that

2641
02:31:07,240 --> 02:31:10,959
Speaker 19: the population is being prescribed drugs more and more and more.

2642
02:31:11,120 --> 02:31:14,680
Speaker 19: It's a runaway epidemic that a whole spectrum of these drugs.

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02:31:15,000 --> 02:31:18,680
Speaker 19: At least I would say I've identified and just in

2644
02:31:18,800 --> 02:31:23,600
Speaker 19: my book alone, I've identified over sixty drugs that cause cancer.

2645
02:31:24,080 --> 02:31:29,600
Speaker 19: Those cause cancer, carcinogens cause cancer, Indocrine disrupting chemicals cause cancer.

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02:31:29,800 --> 02:31:33,600
Speaker 19: There's a whole spectrum, and really to prevent it, we've

2647
02:31:33,640 --> 02:31:35,400
Speaker 19: got to be on top of that whole spectrum.

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02:31:36,240 --> 02:31:38,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I got some questions for you. Twelve. At

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02:31:38,200 --> 02:31:39,879
Speaker 1: the top of our family just check it in our

2650
02:31:39,879 --> 02:31:42,640
Speaker 1: guess is brother Keaty is a researcher, chef, musicians, a

2651
02:31:42,760 --> 02:31:47,080
Speaker 1: multi talented fellow, brother Keaty. Is it true or is

2652
02:31:47,120 --> 02:31:49,960
Speaker 1: this internet chattel that we all have cancer in our

2653
02:31:50,000 --> 02:31:53,400
Speaker 1: bodies but it's not activated and somehow when our immune

2654
02:31:53,440 --> 02:31:58,080
Speaker 1: system is compromised, that's where the cancer gets activated. Is

2655
02:31:58,120 --> 02:31:58,840
Speaker 1: there any truth to that?

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02:32:00,120 --> 02:32:03,240
Speaker 19: Yes, there is definitely true to that. As an adult

2657
02:32:03,360 --> 02:32:06,320
Speaker 19: over the age of fifty, and we're finding increasingly this

2658
02:32:06,520 --> 02:32:10,680
Speaker 19: is getting into younger and younger ages. We do constantly

2659
02:32:10,959 --> 02:32:16,240
Speaker 19: produce mutated cells. Every minute, brother Karl, our body produces

2660
02:32:16,280 --> 02:32:20,240
Speaker 19: three hundred million new cells and a number of those

2661
02:32:20,280 --> 02:32:24,000
Speaker 19: cells have been under the influence of the environment, and

2662
02:32:24,160 --> 02:32:28,600
Speaker 19: so the epigenetic factors do cause these mutant cells. The

2663
02:32:28,720 --> 02:32:33,240
Speaker 19: thing is with cancer, the mutant cells gain the great advantage.

2664
02:32:33,720 --> 02:32:36,760
Speaker 19: They'll create their own blood supply and other things. And

2665
02:32:36,879 --> 02:32:39,560
Speaker 19: what happens if the mutant cells get out of control,

2666
02:32:39,959 --> 02:32:44,160
Speaker 19: beyond the reach and the competence of our immune system,

2667
02:32:45,040 --> 02:32:47,199
Speaker 19: then we have the problem is getting bigger.

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02:32:48,959 --> 02:32:51,720
Speaker 1: So how do we How do we? I guess the

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02:32:51,840 --> 02:32:54,560
Speaker 1: answer is then to improve a forty five year immune

2670
02:32:54,560 --> 02:32:57,119
Speaker 1: system to stave off cancer. Is that the answer?

2671
02:32:59,160 --> 02:33:03,120
Speaker 19: There is no one, single answer that is definitely a

2672
02:33:03,360 --> 02:33:08,760
Speaker 19: very strong part of our strategy to combat cancer. To

2673
02:33:08,840 --> 02:33:15,800
Speaker 19: prevent cancer, strengthening our immune system, also avoiding the toxic

2674
02:33:15,920 --> 02:33:20,680
Speaker 19: chemicals environmental stressors that cause mutancy and cause cancer is

2675
02:33:20,800 --> 02:33:23,320
Speaker 19: very important. One of the things that people can do

2676
02:33:24,120 --> 02:33:29,160
Speaker 19: to significantly lower their risk of cardiovascular disease, chronic kidney disease,

2677
02:33:29,480 --> 02:33:33,600
Speaker 19: and cancer is just simply lose weight, get your body

2678
02:33:33,680 --> 02:33:37,960
Speaker 19: mass index in control. And so we're doing the best

2679
02:33:38,040 --> 02:33:41,640
Speaker 19: we can to identify all of these preventive pathways. This

2680
02:33:41,800 --> 02:33:45,640
Speaker 19: is the thing called the functional medicine. And once we

2681
02:33:45,760 --> 02:33:50,480
Speaker 19: can integrate many as many of these preventive pathways into

2682
02:33:50,560 --> 02:33:53,480
Speaker 19: our lives, then there's a good likelihood we may avoid

2683
02:33:53,800 --> 02:33:58,800
Speaker 19: the diagnosis that now in the United States, cancer diagnosis

2684
02:33:59,120 --> 02:34:03,800
Speaker 19: has reached over forty percent of the population, that's two

2685
02:34:03,879 --> 02:34:04,840
Speaker 19: out of every five.

2686
02:34:04,720 --> 02:34:08,400
Speaker 1: People fourteen at that top of that with Brother ketis

2687
02:34:08,400 --> 02:34:11,400
Speaker 1: the researcher Brother Keta, They reports that have been an

2688
02:34:11,440 --> 02:34:14,960
Speaker 1: increase in colon cancer, especially with our young people. What

2689
02:34:15,080 --> 02:34:17,280
Speaker 1: do you think is finding this increase?

2690
02:34:18,600 --> 02:34:22,199
Speaker 19: If you look in at colon cancer, stomach cancer, colorectal

2691
02:34:22,280 --> 02:34:29,920
Speaker 19: cancer is one word meat red meat. Red meat contains

2692
02:34:29,959 --> 02:34:36,960
Speaker 19: a protein called n eu five GC. In December twenty fourteen,

2693
02:34:37,120 --> 02:34:41,040
Speaker 19: researchers at San Diego put out a paper that I

2694
02:34:41,160 --> 02:34:43,680
Speaker 19: would made me a first aware of any U five

2695
02:34:43,760 --> 02:34:47,600
Speaker 19: gc that said the essentially the humans, any U five

2696
02:34:47,680 --> 02:34:52,000
Speaker 19: g C is a sugar like molecule and that humans

2697
02:34:52,480 --> 02:34:56,840
Speaker 19: essentially cannot fully process INNEU five gc. And they found

2698
02:34:57,240 --> 02:35:01,440
Speaker 19: that the presence of these antibodies then EU five gc

2699
02:35:02,200 --> 02:35:08,160
Speaker 19: increase the risk of inflammation by five hundred percent. A

2700
02:35:08,280 --> 02:35:11,920
Speaker 19: five hundred percent increase of inflammation, which is a known

2701
02:35:12,000 --> 02:35:18,440
Speaker 19: trigger for cancer, is definitely something we cannot ignore. So

2702
02:35:18,879 --> 02:35:24,400
Speaker 19: anybody out there eating red meat, you're eating grass fed cattle,

2703
02:35:24,920 --> 02:35:30,480
Speaker 19: you're eating buffalo, lamb pork, there's a five hundred percent

2704
02:35:30,600 --> 02:35:35,600
Speaker 19: increase risk of inflammation there, and a corresponding five hundred

2705
02:35:35,640 --> 02:35:40,080
Speaker 19: percent increase in the risk of colo rectal and stomach cancers.

2706
02:35:41,160 --> 02:35:42,840
Speaker 1: Well, we'll come on, brave, But let me ask you

2707
02:35:42,920 --> 02:35:46,000
Speaker 1: this though. So if if someone is dying the say

2708
02:35:46,040 --> 02:35:50,360
Speaker 1: stage one with cancer, if they change their diet immediately,

2709
02:35:51,080 --> 02:35:54,280
Speaker 1: could that could could could that be a fact that

2710
02:35:54,360 --> 02:35:57,120
Speaker 1: that could cure or could retard the growth of cancer.

2711
02:35:57,160 --> 02:35:59,240
Speaker 1: I'll let you respond, I'm looking the clock. You we

2712
02:35:59,280 --> 02:36:00,680
Speaker 1: got to step aside for a few months. When we

2713
02:36:00,760 --> 02:36:02,879
Speaker 1: come back, I'll let you respond, though, family too, want

2714
02:36:02,879 --> 02:36:05,320
Speaker 1: to join this conversation. Interested about the big c is

2715
02:36:05,360 --> 02:36:08,080
Speaker 1: some people call it. We're talking about cancer. Here's a researcher,

2716
02:36:08,480 --> 02:36:10,120
Speaker 1: Brother Keaty has done a lot of work on that,

2717
02:36:10,200 --> 02:36:12,120
Speaker 1: and he's written some books about it, and he's got

2718
02:36:12,160 --> 02:36:13,760
Speaker 1: the answers for it. You want to speak to him,

2719
02:36:13,800 --> 02:36:15,680
Speaker 1: reach out to us at eight hundred four or five

2720
02:36:15,800 --> 02:36:18,560
Speaker 1: zero seventy eight seventy six and we'll take your phone

2721
02:36:18,600 --> 02:36:21,840
Speaker 1: calls next and grand Rising family, thanks for sticking with

2722
02:36:21,959 --> 02:36:24,160
Speaker 1: us on this Wednesday morning here it's a hump day.

2723
02:36:24,200 --> 02:36:26,160
Speaker 1: That means we're halfway through the work week. After this,

2724
02:36:26,320 --> 02:36:29,320
Speaker 1: it's downhill all the way. Twenty minutes off the top

2725
02:36:29,360 --> 02:36:31,520
Speaker 1: of that though, I guess is Brother Keaty is the

2726
02:36:31,600 --> 02:36:34,240
Speaker 1: multi talented researcher. Brother Keaty has done some working now

2727
02:36:34,400 --> 02:36:38,080
Speaker 1: is looking at cancer and he said the increase it

2728
02:36:38,120 --> 02:36:40,240
Speaker 1: there's been an increase in colon cancer, especially by the

2729
02:36:40,280 --> 02:36:42,640
Speaker 1: young people. It's just because of red meat. So my

2730
02:36:42,760 --> 02:36:44,800
Speaker 1: question to Brother Kety before we left for the break

2731
02:36:44,959 --> 02:36:49,480
Speaker 1: was if they're diagnosed, will say stage one cancer colon cancer?

2732
02:36:49,959 --> 02:36:53,000
Speaker 1: Stick with colon cancer and they change their diet, Could

2733
02:36:53,040 --> 02:36:54,960
Speaker 1: that reverse that diagnosis?

2734
02:36:55,200 --> 02:36:58,640
Speaker 19: Brother Keaty, I would say that would be the very

2735
02:36:58,879 --> 02:37:03,720
Speaker 19: first step. By the time, so when it is diagnosed

2736
02:37:03,840 --> 02:37:07,119
Speaker 19: with cancer, especially when we're talking about colo rectal cancer,

2737
02:37:07,200 --> 02:37:12,240
Speaker 19: it's very tragic, very tragic diseases. The progression of that

2738
02:37:12,400 --> 02:37:15,160
Speaker 19: disease is maybe as horrible as anything we can imagine.

2739
02:37:16,000 --> 02:37:20,920
Speaker 19: But by the time they're diagnosed, it's kind of your

2740
02:37:21,000 --> 02:37:25,120
Speaker 19: dietary change. I would say this for anyone hearing this

2741
02:37:25,360 --> 02:37:28,680
Speaker 19: message today, I'm going to give you some insights and

2742
02:37:28,800 --> 02:37:31,640
Speaker 19: some points about cancer. And if you read my book

2743
02:37:31,680 --> 02:37:34,560
Speaker 19: A Year Against Cancer, as well as two other books

2744
02:37:34,560 --> 02:37:37,000
Speaker 19: that have written here recently that help us resolve this,

2745
02:37:37,480 --> 02:37:40,640
Speaker 19: you're going to go ahead and change your diet immediately.

2746
02:37:41,040 --> 02:37:45,800
Speaker 19: So why not go ahead and go on a preventive tip.

2747
02:37:45,879 --> 02:37:49,080
Speaker 19: But for anyone diagnosed with cancer, yes, Carl, beyond a

2748
02:37:49,160 --> 02:37:50,880
Speaker 19: shadow of a doubt, the first thing you have to

2749
02:37:50,959 --> 02:37:55,200
Speaker 19: do is take control of your nutrition and switch from

2750
02:37:55,280 --> 02:37:58,920
Speaker 19: the standard American diet, which is the most disease causing

2751
02:37:59,240 --> 02:38:03,040
Speaker 19: diet and world old history, to at least refine it

2752
02:38:03,120 --> 02:38:05,440
Speaker 19: to the Mediterranean diet. And then you can go even

2753
02:38:05,600 --> 02:38:06,680
Speaker 19: further and even further.

2754
02:38:09,000 --> 02:38:11,560
Speaker 1: You know, I know you're a chef as well, so

2755
02:38:11,800 --> 02:38:14,000
Speaker 1: I'm gonna lean on you before we leave to give

2756
02:38:14,040 --> 02:38:16,680
Speaker 1: us some alternatives for those folks who're still eating red meat.

2757
02:38:17,000 --> 02:38:18,840
Speaker 1: But if we want to take coffee, you, brother Keati

2758
02:38:19,240 --> 02:38:21,360
Speaker 1: heard this is another thing. Clear yourself for us and

2759
02:38:21,520 --> 02:38:25,080
Speaker 1: need some clarification. We talked about sugar because some people

2760
02:38:25,160 --> 02:38:28,240
Speaker 1: say sugar is like oxygen for cancer. So when you

2761
02:38:28,320 --> 02:38:30,480
Speaker 1: see pastes and cakes and all that kind of stuff,

2762
02:38:30,640 --> 02:38:32,439
Speaker 1: those are things you should be avoiding.

2763
02:38:33,520 --> 02:38:38,840
Speaker 19: Absolutely. Yes, processed food in all of its various forms,

2764
02:38:38,879 --> 02:38:43,920
Speaker 19: including refined carbohydrates, which is what sugar and wheat products, pastry,

2765
02:38:44,080 --> 02:38:46,320
Speaker 19: donuts and all of that stuff is really about. Even

2766
02:38:46,360 --> 02:38:52,359
Speaker 19: white bread is known to be carcinogenic, containing carcinogen chemicals.

2767
02:38:53,200 --> 02:38:56,960
Speaker 19: Even things that are commonly used, such as coffee. Many

2768
02:38:57,040 --> 02:39:01,720
Speaker 19: people take their morning coffee with cream and sugar. If

2769
02:39:01,760 --> 02:39:05,600
Speaker 19: you drank the coffee without the cream and the sugar,

2770
02:39:06,000 --> 02:39:09,040
Speaker 19: there's a good likelihood that the coffee could be part

2771
02:39:09,040 --> 02:39:13,320
Speaker 19: of a process of your body having the energy metabolized

2772
02:39:13,720 --> 02:39:16,440
Speaker 19: to not have to deal with the problem of the

2773
02:39:16,560 --> 02:39:19,960
Speaker 19: metabolic disorder of cancer. But when you put the milk

2774
02:39:20,000 --> 02:39:23,760
Speaker 19: in it, you have included a carcent element. We can

2775
02:39:23,800 --> 02:39:27,480
Speaker 19: look to the book it's called the China Study by

2776
02:39:27,560 --> 02:39:32,440
Speaker 19: doctor T. Colin Campbell, which talked about milk as a carcinogen,

2777
02:39:32,520 --> 02:39:37,000
Speaker 19: a known carcinogen dairy for humans. And also it also

2778
02:39:37,320 --> 02:39:42,520
Speaker 19: talked about we do know that sugar is definitely a process.

2779
02:39:42,879 --> 02:39:46,200
Speaker 19: Everything we read, everywhere we read it, we see that

2780
02:39:46,480 --> 02:39:52,160
Speaker 19: sugar is very problematic inhuman nutrition and digestion. And when

2781
02:39:52,200 --> 02:39:56,200
Speaker 19: it comes to carcinogen, yes, sugar feeds cancer.

2782
02:39:57,360 --> 02:40:00,240
Speaker 1: All right, twenty three outs off before you go on again,

2783
02:40:00,240 --> 02:40:02,040
Speaker 1: I'm gonna ask you to give us some alternatives. But

2784
02:40:02,520 --> 02:40:04,720
Speaker 1: Felm is joining us, and she's in Baltimore. She's on

2785
02:40:04,840 --> 02:40:07,280
Speaker 1: Life One, Grand Rising and Family on with brother Katy.

2786
02:40:09,360 --> 02:40:14,240
Speaker 20: Yeah, I'm Grand Rising. So I have these books in

2787
02:40:14,280 --> 02:40:16,960
Speaker 20: my own library. I call it my own library. So

2788
02:40:17,720 --> 02:40:19,560
Speaker 20: I'm looking at this book as I talk to you,

2789
02:40:19,760 --> 02:40:22,800
Speaker 20: right Uh, got my hands on it right quick because

2790
02:40:22,800 --> 02:40:25,960
Speaker 20: I'm just kind of waking up. So it says that

2791
02:40:26,200 --> 02:40:34,640
Speaker 20: a cure for cancer unlimited supplies of insolent consequent the

2792
02:40:34,720 --> 02:40:38,440
Speaker 20: common cold, and it says the promise and the name

2793
02:40:38,480 --> 02:40:40,240
Speaker 20: of the book I'm gonna give it to you is

2794
02:40:40,320 --> 02:40:44,720
Speaker 20: called bio hazards and uh so you know, I took

2795
02:40:44,760 --> 02:40:46,920
Speaker 20: this book with me a long time ago to a

2796
02:40:47,000 --> 02:40:50,160
Speaker 20: doctor's office and let me tell you something. His eyes

2797
02:40:50,320 --> 02:40:51,800
Speaker 20: are locked dead on this book.

2798
02:40:55,240 --> 02:40:55,880
Speaker 9: It was amazed.

2799
02:40:55,920 --> 02:40:57,920
Speaker 20: I was amazing his reaction. But I didn't know what

2800
02:40:58,000 --> 02:40:59,959
Speaker 20: it was at the time, but I do now. It's

2801
02:41:00,040 --> 02:41:02,840
Speaker 20: talked about gene therapy, how you can split the genie,

2802
02:41:02,879 --> 02:41:05,240
Speaker 20: and this is that. Everything is in this little book.

2803
02:41:05,520 --> 02:41:06,160
Speaker 7: It's amazing.

2804
02:41:06,600 --> 02:41:08,200
Speaker 20: Can you please tell me about that?

2805
02:41:09,000 --> 02:41:10,440
Speaker 10: Uh that?

2806
02:41:10,680 --> 02:41:13,240
Speaker 9: Uh that please?

2807
02:41:14,120 --> 02:41:19,680
Speaker 19: Yeah, I'm extremely skeptical. It just doesn't make any sense

2808
02:41:19,760 --> 02:41:25,320
Speaker 19: to me. Now if you're talking about insolent sensitivity, that's

2809
02:41:25,640 --> 02:41:27,720
Speaker 19: a topic that we talk about when it comes to

2810
02:41:27,879 --> 02:41:33,520
Speaker 19: preventing diabetes. I have never heard any association between a

2811
02:41:33,720 --> 02:41:38,120
Speaker 19: cure quote unquote for cancer and INSOLENTCE. So I'm extremely

2812
02:41:38,240 --> 02:41:42,200
Speaker 19: skeptical based upon what I heard from you. I'm sorry, Well,

2813
02:41:42,200 --> 02:41:42,680
Speaker 19: how does.

2814
02:41:42,560 --> 02:41:45,120
Speaker 20: The book get out like that? I mean, you write

2815
02:41:45,160 --> 02:41:47,480
Speaker 20: a book, right, you got to let me finish. Please,

2816
02:41:47,760 --> 02:41:49,520
Speaker 20: When you write a book, you have to have truth

2817
02:41:49,600 --> 02:41:52,840
Speaker 20: about it, right, right? They rehab the research all that.

2818
02:41:53,640 --> 02:41:55,680
Speaker 19: No, No, you don't have to have truth to publish

2819
02:41:55,720 --> 02:41:59,039
Speaker 19: a book in America, Okay.

2820
02:41:58,720 --> 02:42:00,640
Speaker 20: I guess that's the point then, all right, damn well,

2821
02:42:00,720 --> 02:42:01,400
Speaker 20: thank you so much.

2822
02:42:02,160 --> 02:42:03,360
Speaker 6: I myself believe it.

2823
02:42:03,640 --> 02:42:06,520
Speaker 20: I might self believe it, right, I disbelieve it, you know.

2824
02:42:06,879 --> 02:42:07,400
Speaker 13: Thank you, sir.

2825
02:42:07,920 --> 02:42:08,320
Speaker 20: That's great.

2826
02:42:09,160 --> 02:42:10,160
Speaker 1: All right, thank you Helma.

2827
02:42:10,360 --> 02:42:13,160
Speaker 19: A tweet question for sorry, But that was just I've

2828
02:42:13,280 --> 02:42:16,400
Speaker 19: never heard anything like that. It sounded like just really wild.

2829
02:42:17,600 --> 02:42:19,920
Speaker 1: Well, that's what you're here. You're the researcher. You've done

2830
02:42:19,920 --> 02:42:21,800
Speaker 1: the work, you put in the work. But I got

2831
02:42:21,840 --> 02:42:23,560
Speaker 1: a tweet question for one of our listeners. He says,

2832
02:42:23,600 --> 02:42:27,160
Speaker 1: grind rising uh to you and your guests. Ask your guest,

2833
02:42:27,760 --> 02:42:31,520
Speaker 1: what role do the gut have to do with health?

2834
02:42:31,959 --> 02:42:36,199
Speaker 1: Someone said it? Someone said, if you keep that clean,

2835
02:42:36,640 --> 02:42:40,840
Speaker 1: that is the key to longevity and not getting cancer.

2836
02:42:41,240 --> 02:42:44,160
Speaker 1: And how about organic vitamins? Should we consult with a

2837
02:42:44,280 --> 02:42:49,240
Speaker 1: doctor first before taking any vitamins? What say you, brother, Keaty.

2838
02:42:50,200 --> 02:42:53,120
Speaker 19: In so far as gut health, where there is a

2839
02:42:53,240 --> 02:42:57,520
Speaker 19: term called gut this biosis or a disruption of your

2840
02:42:57,560 --> 02:43:03,760
Speaker 19: gut microbiome, gut health is absolutely critical to maintaining a

2841
02:43:04,040 --> 02:43:11,160
Speaker 19: hold healthy profile. It is one of ten metabolic disorders.

2842
02:43:11,879 --> 02:43:13,959
Speaker 19: I'm gonna give you all ten of them, because every

2843
02:43:14,080 --> 02:43:16,520
Speaker 19: one of these metabolic disorders is going to raise your

2844
02:43:16,600 --> 02:43:20,600
Speaker 19: risk for cardiovascular disease and cancer every one of them.

2845
02:43:21,360 --> 02:43:27,480
Speaker 19: Number one overweight, number two, obesity, number three, abdominal obesity,

2846
02:43:27,640 --> 02:43:33,920
Speaker 19: that big belly syndrome. Number four, hypertension which is high

2847
02:43:33,920 --> 02:43:39,959
Speaker 19: blood pressure. Number five, hyperglycemia which is pre diabetes or diabetes.

2848
02:43:40,640 --> 02:43:45,520
Speaker 19: Number six, high triglyceride levels. Number seven disruption of your

2849
02:43:45,640 --> 02:43:51,560
Speaker 19: gut microbiome. Number eight would be an imbalance, which really

2850
02:43:51,720 --> 02:43:54,560
Speaker 19: is kind of related to others, but an imbalance in

2851
02:43:54,640 --> 02:44:01,240
Speaker 19: your LDLHDL ratio of your good and bad cholesterol. The

2852
02:44:01,480 --> 02:44:06,000
Speaker 19: number eight is progressive nephropathy, meaning your kidneys are slowly

2853
02:44:06,080 --> 02:44:10,959
Speaker 19: starting to fail. Number nine would be cancer. And number

2854
02:44:11,000 --> 02:44:15,640
Speaker 19: ten of the ten metabolic syndrome diseases is non alcoholic

2855
02:44:15,920 --> 02:44:20,680
Speaker 19: fatty liver disease. If you or anyone can put together

2856
02:44:20,840 --> 02:44:26,880
Speaker 19: a complete strategy to eliminate all ten of these metabolic diseases,

2857
02:44:27,480 --> 02:44:30,880
Speaker 19: you're going to enjoy an incredibly healthy lifespan.

2858
02:44:33,200 --> 02:44:35,680
Speaker 1: Twenty eight after the topic, let me ask you about CKLS.

2859
02:44:35,800 --> 02:44:37,680
Speaker 1: I know you're familiar with that because you lived out

2860
02:44:37,720 --> 02:44:40,200
Speaker 1: in LA and most of the people on the West

2861
02:44:40,240 --> 02:44:42,920
Speaker 1: Coast know about CKL. I said, it was a formula

2862
02:44:43,000 --> 02:44:45,400
Speaker 1: put together by doctor Gosh, and doctor Goss was the

2863
02:44:45,520 --> 02:44:50,360
Speaker 1: dean of herbalist and naturopathic doctors. And now his daughter's

2864
02:44:50,400 --> 02:44:53,280
Speaker 1: doing the same thing in Ghana. She's listening to us regularly.

2865
02:44:53,720 --> 02:44:57,400
Speaker 1: And people who use CKL that's it stands for calling

2866
02:44:57,480 --> 02:45:00,760
Speaker 1: kidney live a spleen, they say it works. What's say you, brother, Katy?

2867
02:45:02,160 --> 02:45:06,680
Speaker 19: I use Colon, Kelly livery screen and the CKLS for

2868
02:45:06,840 --> 02:45:11,640
Speaker 19: quite some time. I've always liked it, always loved it. Unfortunately,

2869
02:45:11,760 --> 02:45:13,840
Speaker 19: one time I bought a batch of it and I

2870
02:45:14,000 --> 02:45:17,000
Speaker 19: think it was just mislabeled because it didn't do anything

2871
02:45:17,080 --> 02:45:19,840
Speaker 19: that I was accustomed to, and so I ended up

2872
02:45:19,879 --> 02:45:23,640
Speaker 19: going down to more of the constituent components. But when

2873
02:45:23,720 --> 02:45:26,960
Speaker 19: it comes to doctor Paul Garth and his daughter Yolanda,

2874
02:45:27,840 --> 02:45:30,600
Speaker 19: I have done nothing but the greatest things to say

2875
02:45:30,760 --> 02:45:35,360
Speaker 19: about them. They are people who are trustworthy. I just

2876
02:45:35,440 --> 02:45:37,680
Speaker 19: think I just got a mislabeled bottle one time.

2877
02:45:38,760 --> 02:45:41,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, going back to the tweet us question, but to

2878
02:45:41,400 --> 02:45:43,280
Speaker 1: keep the gut clean? Is that what you're saying? So

2879
02:45:44,000 --> 02:45:47,119
Speaker 1: are you in favor of colonics? What what's the other one?

2880
02:45:47,640 --> 02:45:49,960
Speaker 1: The other alternative than colonics? I can't think of the

2881
02:45:50,040 --> 02:45:50,560
Speaker 1: name right now.

2882
02:45:50,720 --> 02:45:54,720
Speaker 19: Well, there's colon hydrotherapy, which is the general name, And yes,

2883
02:45:55,040 --> 02:45:58,800
Speaker 19: I absolutely do believe in keeping the gut clean. Now,

2884
02:45:59,040 --> 02:46:03,600
Speaker 19: I don't use colon therapy or hydro colon hydro therapy,

2885
02:46:03,680 --> 02:46:06,280
Speaker 19: I don't use it because I do it with the herbs.

2886
02:46:06,560 --> 02:46:10,000
Speaker 19: I do it like cleanse from the top down. But

2887
02:46:10,120 --> 02:46:14,000
Speaker 19: if someone were to take, say, there's organic coffee enemas

2888
02:46:14,200 --> 02:46:16,800
Speaker 19: are very very good for cleaning out the liver. There's

2889
02:46:16,879 --> 02:46:20,879
Speaker 19: colon hydro therapy for fleshing excess waste out of the colon.

2890
02:46:21,200 --> 02:46:25,920
Speaker 19: These are definitely prevented status strategies, which I do encourage.

2891
02:46:27,080 --> 02:46:29,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm back to doctor Gosh because a conversation with

2892
02:46:29,560 --> 02:46:33,000
Speaker 1: doctor Gosh, he said that the meat stays in our body,

2893
02:46:33,040 --> 02:46:36,240
Speaker 1: states in our gut for sometimes even decades. He says

2894
02:46:36,240 --> 02:46:38,800
Speaker 1: that hamburger you had when you were a child, the

2895
02:46:38,920 --> 02:46:42,720
Speaker 1: remains just and now glued to your in testings, your

2896
02:46:42,800 --> 02:46:44,800
Speaker 1: thoughts on that. That was one of his theories.

2897
02:46:45,840 --> 02:46:49,920
Speaker 19: Well, I have not eaten meat for forty years, so

2898
02:46:50,160 --> 02:46:53,720
Speaker 19: I cannot attest to that, but I can attest to

2899
02:46:53,879 --> 02:46:56,640
Speaker 19: the first time I did a serious olive oil flesh

2900
02:46:57,040 --> 02:47:00,720
Speaker 19: what came out of me was most likely not attributed

2901
02:47:00,760 --> 02:47:05,000
Speaker 19: to meat, but to wheat products, which wheat products we

2902
02:47:05,160 --> 02:47:08,840
Speaker 19: do know function as glue. And what came out of me, Carl,

2903
02:47:09,080 --> 02:47:13,720
Speaker 19: was a black, sticky gummy tar that obviously have been

2904
02:47:13,800 --> 02:47:16,600
Speaker 19: in my intestinal track for years. Since then, I have

2905
02:47:16,760 --> 02:47:19,640
Speaker 19: kept up the olive oil flesh. Doctor Goss taught us

2906
02:47:19,720 --> 02:47:22,520
Speaker 19: that technique as well. I've kept that up over the years.

2907
02:47:22,800 --> 02:47:25,400
Speaker 19: I've never seen the black gummy tar come out of

2908
02:47:25,440 --> 02:47:28,840
Speaker 19: my body again. Now it just comes out as kind

2909
02:47:28,840 --> 02:47:31,880
Speaker 19: of hard little pellets. And that's at ninety days.

2910
02:47:33,480 --> 02:47:36,360
Speaker 1: Oh wow. So how often do you do a cleanse?

2911
02:47:37,240 --> 02:47:40,400
Speaker 19: I do four cleanses a year. On the first day

2912
02:47:40,520 --> 02:47:45,000
Speaker 19: of spring, summer, autumn, and winter, I immediately have been

2913
02:47:45,120 --> 02:47:49,320
Speaker 19: going to a twenty eight day Detoks fast. Recently I

2914
02:47:49,400 --> 02:47:52,640
Speaker 19: did my summertime fast. Why it would be my autumn

2915
02:47:52,920 --> 02:47:56,960
Speaker 19: fast and I did twenty one days. Why because I

2916
02:47:57,160 --> 02:48:00,120
Speaker 19: have essentially put my body in such a condition and

2917
02:48:00,600 --> 02:48:04,240
Speaker 19: that my body mass index is now really at the

2918
02:48:04,320 --> 02:48:06,880
Speaker 19: bottom of what I'm going to keep it at. And

2919
02:48:07,120 --> 02:48:10,840
Speaker 19: I weigh less Carl today. Then I weighed at age

2920
02:48:11,440 --> 02:48:15,320
Speaker 19: twenty three years old, and I just had my seventieth birthday.

2921
02:48:17,280 --> 02:48:20,080
Speaker 1: Good for you, brother Keaty, twenty nine minutes away from

2922
02:48:20,080 --> 02:48:22,160
Speaker 1: the top of our family. We've got the multi talented

2923
02:48:22,240 --> 02:48:25,200
Speaker 1: researcher brother Keaty with us this morning and is now

2924
02:48:25,520 --> 02:48:28,040
Speaker 1: turning his attention to cancer. He's working on doing some

2925
02:48:28,160 --> 02:48:32,640
Speaker 1: research in cancer, Brother Keaty. The pharmaceuticals Big Farman, did

2926
02:48:32,720 --> 02:48:35,119
Speaker 1: they have a cure for cancer? And they're keeping it secret?

2927
02:48:37,160 --> 02:48:40,920
Speaker 19: I don't think they do otherwise, I mean, how could

2928
02:48:41,120 --> 02:48:47,480
Speaker 19: one convince the whole army of oncologists to kill a lie?

2929
02:48:48,520 --> 02:48:52,720
Speaker 19: We do know oncologists will lie. They're very deceptive. I've

2930
02:48:52,760 --> 02:48:56,119
Speaker 19: had conversations with them directly, and they're very deceptive people.

2931
02:48:56,640 --> 02:48:59,359
Speaker 19: I'm sorry if someone's relative out there isn't on cologist,

2932
02:48:59,400 --> 02:49:02,119
Speaker 19: but I have my opinion. My opinion is not based

2933
02:49:02,200 --> 02:49:07,480
Speaker 19: upon not having direct contact with this industry. Recently, I

2934
02:49:07,560 --> 02:49:11,360
Speaker 19: had a conversation with a young woman. She's been diagnosed

2935
02:49:11,400 --> 02:49:16,040
Speaker 19: with invasive doctyle carconoma, the most one of the most

2936
02:49:16,120 --> 02:49:19,360
Speaker 19: aggressive forms of breast cancer, which for women, that's the

2937
02:49:19,520 --> 02:49:22,680
Speaker 19: number one cancer that's happening to women. With men it's

2938
02:49:22,800 --> 02:49:29,000
Speaker 19: prostate cancer. And the oncologist he's dealing with, they just

2939
02:49:29,200 --> 02:49:33,280
Speaker 19: immediately they as soon as she's getting the diagnosis, they

2940
02:49:33,400 --> 02:49:36,600
Speaker 19: immediately just pull out a folder, throw it on the

2941
02:49:36,720 --> 02:49:38,840
Speaker 19: desk and say this is going to be your strategy.

2942
02:49:39,000 --> 02:49:39,760
Speaker 6: No, no, no.

2943
02:49:40,520 --> 02:49:44,520
Speaker 19: As a functional medicine practitioner, I cannot pull out anything

2944
02:49:44,800 --> 02:49:48,320
Speaker 19: and suggest to you anything until I've done a detailed

2945
02:49:48,360 --> 02:49:54,600
Speaker 19: analysis of what caused your cancer. In functional medicine, every

2946
02:49:54,720 --> 02:49:59,560
Speaker 19: diagnosis is distinct, every patient's life is distinct, and I

2947
02:49:59,680 --> 02:50:02,280
Speaker 19: can't come up with a solution for you until that.

2948
02:50:02,600 --> 02:50:05,800
Speaker 19: And the last thing I will say about oncologist that

2949
02:50:05,959 --> 02:50:11,080
Speaker 19: I fundamentally do not trust them it's chemotherapy. As soon

2950
02:50:11,080 --> 02:50:17,680
Speaker 19: as they recommend chemotherapy, radiation therapy and surgery, you begin

2951
02:50:17,840 --> 02:50:23,800
Speaker 19: to die. The worst is chemotherapy. Chemotherapy kills your healthy cells.

2952
02:50:24,240 --> 02:50:26,040
Speaker 19: So what's it going to do to a person for

2953
02:50:26,160 --> 02:50:28,240
Speaker 19: the chronic and deadly disease?

2954
02:50:30,040 --> 02:50:32,280
Speaker 1: Gotcha? Twenty six away from the top of that, brother

2955
02:50:32,360 --> 02:50:34,920
Speaker 1: Keaty got a tweet from one of our listens in Louisiana.

2956
02:50:34,959 --> 02:50:38,000
Speaker 1: The tweets he says, thank you for having brother Katy on.

2957
02:50:38,120 --> 02:50:41,440
Speaker 1: Louisiana has a high cancer rate among blacks. We tend

2958
02:50:41,520 --> 02:50:44,400
Speaker 1: to want to barbecue and also smoke everything when we

2959
02:50:44,560 --> 02:50:48,280
Speaker 1: cook some of the foods that we eat. Is there

2960
02:50:48,320 --> 02:50:52,600
Speaker 1: a correlation to food being smoked and a high rate

2961
02:50:52,680 --> 02:50:55,800
Speaker 1: of cancer because it's tweetered? Goes because I understand that

2962
02:50:55,959 --> 02:50:59,400
Speaker 1: anything you smoke can be turned into a Costaginian just

2963
02:50:59,480 --> 02:51:00,800
Speaker 1: asking for perspective.

2964
02:51:02,040 --> 02:51:07,560
Speaker 19: Yeah, there are two substances in the barbecue, and one

2965
02:51:07,760 --> 02:51:10,360
Speaker 19: is heated at a very high temperature that itself is

2966
02:51:10,440 --> 02:51:13,960
Speaker 19: going to cause massive problems. But the two substance are

2967
02:51:14,560 --> 02:51:23,720
Speaker 19: heterocyclic amines HCAs and poly aromatic hydrocarbons. Poly Aromatic hydrocarbons

2968
02:51:23,800 --> 02:51:27,120
Speaker 19: indicates that's that smell that we're used to, the soot

2969
02:51:27,400 --> 02:51:30,440
Speaker 19: that gets on the meat. We recognize that. So it

2970
02:51:30,560 --> 02:51:32,760
Speaker 19: is the black stripes and things that's on the grill,

2971
02:51:33,000 --> 02:51:36,520
Speaker 19: et cetera. All of that is problematic. And anytime you

2972
02:51:36,680 --> 02:51:40,800
Speaker 19: heat something, anytime you eat proteins and sugars to five

2973
02:51:40,879 --> 02:51:45,360
Speaker 19: hundred degrees as in barbecuing, that's going to create carcinogenic

2974
02:51:46,280 --> 02:51:50,480
Speaker 19: chemicals and quite simply, and also we can look at

2975
02:51:50,520 --> 02:51:52,920
Speaker 19: the Louisiana and see that's the state with one of

2976
02:51:52,959 --> 02:51:56,160
Speaker 19: the highest obesity rates in the country. And we do

2977
02:51:56,360 --> 02:51:59,920
Speaker 19: know that black people have a disproportioned problem with obese

2978
02:52:00,000 --> 02:52:04,680
Speaker 19: city and overweight, So yeah, I do. There are multiple

2979
02:52:04,760 --> 02:52:08,200
Speaker 19: problems there, which is why everyone needs to commit to

2980
02:52:08,280 --> 02:52:10,640
Speaker 19: an anti cancer diet and lifestyle.

2981
02:52:12,160 --> 02:52:14,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, but we could do that, but we need help.

2982
02:52:14,640 --> 02:52:16,440
Speaker 1: You know, once you say you shouldn't eat this, you

2983
02:52:16,480 --> 02:52:18,720
Speaker 1: shouldn't that, we need some replacement. And that's where you're

2984
02:52:18,760 --> 02:52:20,560
Speaker 1: going to come in it because I know you being

2985
02:52:20,640 --> 02:52:23,200
Speaker 1: a chef as well, you know you can replace it us.

2986
02:52:23,200 --> 02:52:25,400
Speaker 1: Seeing some of the stuff that you've made, it looks great,

2987
02:52:25,440 --> 02:52:28,280
Speaker 1: it looks really appetizing. But you know some folks who've

2988
02:52:28,320 --> 02:52:31,360
Speaker 1: growing up eating that and they'll say, my grandparents and

2989
02:52:31,520 --> 02:52:33,560
Speaker 1: this my mother, this is why, that's why I eat

2990
02:52:33,640 --> 02:52:36,880
Speaker 1: this way. And they lived into their nineties or you know,

2991
02:52:37,080 --> 02:52:40,080
Speaker 1: so they don't think anything wrong with the food that

2992
02:52:40,120 --> 02:52:42,120
Speaker 1: we're eating today. But I'm looking at the clock. We

2993
02:52:42,200 --> 02:52:43,680
Speaker 1: got to take a short break and we come back.

2994
02:52:43,760 --> 02:52:45,640
Speaker 1: Robert in Kansas City, who wants to speak to you

2995
02:52:45,680 --> 02:52:47,960
Speaker 1: as well. I'll let you address that issue too, about

2996
02:52:48,120 --> 02:52:50,520
Speaker 1: our parents and grandparents, what they ate and how long

2997
02:52:50,600 --> 02:52:53,920
Speaker 1: they lived and they didn't they weren't vegetarians or vegans,

2998
02:52:53,920 --> 02:52:55,800
Speaker 1: so I'll let you talk about that as well. Family

2999
02:52:55,879 --> 02:52:58,280
Speaker 1: YouTube can join our conversation. With brother Kati's and the

3000
02:52:58,320 --> 02:53:01,000
Speaker 1: researcher and now it's looking into cancer. What are your thoughts?

3001
02:53:01,200 --> 02:53:03,120
Speaker 1: Hit us up at eight hundred four to five zero

3002
02:53:03,640 --> 02:53:06,200
Speaker 1: seventy eight seventy six. We'll take your phone calls next

3003
02:53:06,320 --> 02:53:08,560
Speaker 1: and Grand Rising family, and thanks for staying with us

3004
02:53:08,640 --> 02:53:11,280
Speaker 1: on this Wednesday morning. Here I guessed his brother Keaty.

3005
02:53:11,440 --> 02:53:15,000
Speaker 1: He's a multi talented researcher and his latest project is

3006
02:53:15,040 --> 02:53:17,320
Speaker 1: looking at cancer. What are your thoughts? Eight hundred four

3007
02:53:17,440 --> 02:53:20,240
Speaker 1: five zero seventy eight seventy six will get you in

3008
02:53:20,320 --> 02:53:21,880
Speaker 1: to speak to brother Keaty. Before we do that there,

3009
02:53:21,959 --> 02:53:24,320
Speaker 1: let me just remind you coming up tomorrow Thursday, we're

3010
02:53:24,320 --> 02:53:27,120
Speaker 1: going to be joined by Morgan State University Professor Dr

3011
02:53:27,160 --> 02:53:30,199
Speaker 1: Ray Wimbush. Also from the Million Women's March, Sister Flay

3012
02:53:30,280 --> 02:53:33,080
Speaker 1: will be here that they're celebrating their anniversary and also

3013
02:53:33,320 --> 02:53:36,120
Speaker 1: at DC activity start the Kai Patterson will also checking.

3014
02:53:36,200 --> 02:53:38,360
Speaker 1: So if you are in Baltimore, make sure you keep

3015
02:53:38,400 --> 02:53:41,120
Speaker 1: your radiar lot in tight on ten ten WLB. If

3016
02:53:41,160 --> 02:53:44,520
Speaker 1: you're in the dmv'reu on fourteen fifty WL. Brother Keaty,

3017
02:53:44,560 --> 02:53:46,560
Speaker 1: as I mentioned, Robert in Kansas City, has a question

3018
02:53:46,680 --> 02:53:49,240
Speaker 1: for you or a comment is online one grand rising Robert,

3019
02:53:49,280 --> 02:53:50,360
Speaker 1: you're on with brother Keaty.

3020
02:53:54,160 --> 02:53:58,600
Speaker 15: It's Robert, you know, brother, Brother Keaty just comments. Person

3021
02:53:58,959 --> 02:54:01,800
Speaker 15: is people this all the time? Do you remember in

3022
02:54:01,920 --> 02:54:08,600
Speaker 15: the early nineties black people discussing cancer prostate o ovarian brass. No,

3023
02:54:09,840 --> 02:54:12,680
Speaker 15: that conversation was not going on on three corners all

3024
02:54:12,680 --> 02:54:15,640
Speaker 15: of a sudden here where everybody's talking about it. And

3025
02:54:15,720 --> 02:54:17,959
Speaker 15: the reason why everybody's talking about it because the medical

3026
02:54:18,080 --> 02:54:21,400
Speaker 15: industry has everybody talking about it. So let me get

3027
02:54:21,440 --> 02:54:24,320
Speaker 15: to the other point. I said this on Carl Nelson

3028
02:54:24,360 --> 02:54:27,920
Speaker 15: Show a couple of months ago. Merk which is one

3029
02:54:27,920 --> 02:54:31,240
Speaker 15: of the largest formaceutical companies in the world. They made

3030
02:54:31,440 --> 02:54:36,440
Speaker 15: seventeen billion dollars last year selling cancer drugs. So here's

3031
02:54:36,560 --> 02:54:40,840
Speaker 15: here's the final part part, brother Keating, this is my

3032
02:54:40,959 --> 02:54:44,560
Speaker 15: personal opinion. Ninety five percent of the people in this

3033
02:54:44,760 --> 02:54:50,320
Speaker 15: country who died from cancer are dying from the procedures

3034
02:54:50,360 --> 02:54:53,360
Speaker 15: that are being performed on them inside the four walls

3035
02:54:53,400 --> 02:54:57,600
Speaker 15: of those medical facilities and the pharmaceutical drugs that are

3036
02:54:57,680 --> 02:55:00,600
Speaker 15: being administered to them. And I'll give you three too

3037
02:55:00,680 --> 02:55:02,840
Speaker 15: quick reason why I believe that. And I asked you

3038
02:55:02,920 --> 02:55:05,480
Speaker 15: for this all the time, Brother keating. Do you see

3039
02:55:05,560 --> 02:55:09,360
Speaker 15: people dropping dead in your neighborhood from untreated cancer? Your friends,

3040
02:55:09,480 --> 02:55:12,840
Speaker 15: your parents, your grandparents. Have you heard of one person

3041
02:55:13,360 --> 02:55:15,560
Speaker 15: who was found dead in their home and when they

3042
02:55:15,600 --> 02:55:17,840
Speaker 15: were taken to the hospital through the corner's office to

3043
02:55:17,920 --> 02:55:20,560
Speaker 15: get an our topsy done, it was discovered that they

3044
02:55:20,680 --> 02:55:23,280
Speaker 15: died from untreated cancer. And the last point is this,

3045
02:55:23,959 --> 02:55:26,240
Speaker 15: I'm just gonna make up a fictional character named mister Jones.

3046
02:55:26,240 --> 02:55:29,520
Speaker 15: Everybody knows missus Jones. The brother was diagnosed with probably

3047
02:55:29,600 --> 02:55:32,480
Speaker 15: cancer two years ago, told everybody in the neighborhood that

3048
02:55:32,520 --> 02:55:34,840
Speaker 15: he was not gonna get the treatment. Have y'all seen

3049
02:55:34,879 --> 02:55:37,320
Speaker 15: this brother lately? Man, the brother went from one hundred

3050
02:55:37,320 --> 02:55:39,920
Speaker 15: and eighty pounds down to one hundred pounds. Man, Their

3051
02:55:39,959 --> 02:55:42,120
Speaker 15: brother's a walking stick. We tried to tell him to

3052
02:55:42,160 --> 02:55:43,520
Speaker 15: get the treatment, but he said that.

3053
02:55:43,560 --> 02:55:44,000
Speaker 6: He wasn't going.

3054
02:55:44,160 --> 02:55:47,200
Speaker 15: Where are these people at? Going right back to what

3055
02:55:47,320 --> 02:55:50,680
Speaker 15: I said from the get go, more than ninety five

3056
02:55:50,760 --> 02:55:53,119
Speaker 15: percent of the people in this country who died from

3057
02:55:53,160 --> 02:55:57,080
Speaker 15: cancer are dying from the procedures that are being performed

3058
02:55:57,120 --> 02:55:58,560
Speaker 15: with them as out of the four walls of those

3059
02:55:58,600 --> 02:56:01,720
Speaker 15: medical facilities and the formas called drug that are being

3060
02:56:01,760 --> 02:56:05,600
Speaker 15: administered to them. Your opinion, hmm.

3061
02:56:06,680 --> 02:56:10,480
Speaker 19: I heard some very conflicting ideas. As you come out

3062
02:56:10,520 --> 02:56:13,840
Speaker 19: of that, I'm going to latch onto one central idea

3063
02:56:14,160 --> 02:56:19,040
Speaker 19: that you did mention, and that was that the cancer

3064
02:56:19,560 --> 02:56:25,240
Speaker 19: treatments began the process of a pathology from the cancers.

3065
02:56:25,600 --> 02:56:29,920
Speaker 19: We do know that the prostate specific andigen tests that

3066
02:56:30,120 --> 02:56:33,400
Speaker 19: all black men are highly being encouraged, including by other

3067
02:56:33,520 --> 02:56:37,200
Speaker 19: black men right now. The PCA test. According to the

3068
02:56:37,320 --> 02:56:42,440
Speaker 19: doctor who discovered the process of PA of PSA, I

3069
02:56:42,440 --> 02:56:45,960
Speaker 19: should say, and that's doctor Richard Ablin. He wrote a

3070
02:56:46,000 --> 02:56:48,360
Speaker 19: book that I encourage all of us to get and

3071
02:56:48,440 --> 02:56:53,720
Speaker 19: to read called The Great Prostate Hoax, How a medical

3072
02:56:53,840 --> 02:56:59,440
Speaker 19: diagnostic test created a public health disaster, Doctor Richard Ablin,

3073
02:56:59,480 --> 02:57:02,480
Speaker 19: The Great State Hopes. Now, the next point I want

3074
02:57:02,480 --> 02:57:06,560
Speaker 19: to make. I heard just some really conflicting ideas and

3075
02:57:06,600 --> 02:57:09,560
Speaker 19: I couldn't understand really where you were going with this.

3076
02:57:10,080 --> 02:57:14,520
Speaker 19: And when you're talking about black people are being encouraged

3077
02:57:14,600 --> 02:57:19,119
Speaker 19: to talk about this to help MRK Pharmaceuticals sell drugs

3078
02:57:19,160 --> 02:57:23,440
Speaker 19: and etc. I cannot wholly disagree with that point, but

3079
02:57:23,560 --> 02:57:25,600
Speaker 19: I would just ask if you're going to make a

3080
02:57:25,680 --> 02:57:28,400
Speaker 19: statement like that in a public forum that you get

3081
02:57:28,480 --> 02:57:32,160
Speaker 19: a little bit more focused on what you are trying

3082
02:57:32,200 --> 02:57:32,800
Speaker 19: to tell us to do.

3083
02:57:35,320 --> 02:57:37,760
Speaker 1: All right, and thank you Robin in Kansas City of

3084
02:57:37,840 --> 02:57:39,800
Speaker 1: fifteen Away from the top down, Let's go to Jersey

3085
02:57:39,920 --> 02:57:42,840
Speaker 1: Brother Lewis's wedding for us. He's online too, Grand Rising

3086
02:57:42,920 --> 02:57:47,400
Speaker 1: Brother Lewis. You on with Brother Keaty, Yes, grind.

3087
02:57:47,240 --> 02:57:51,560
Speaker 13: Rising Brother call and the illustrious for the Keaty for

3088
02:57:51,680 --> 02:57:56,279
Speaker 13: the Kety. One of my family members unfortunately had colon

3089
02:57:56,400 --> 02:57:59,760
Speaker 13: Kan says you was speaking. He had surgery he had

3090
02:58:00,360 --> 02:58:05,760
Speaker 13: and radiation therapy, anything he can do and it's been eradicated,

3091
02:58:05,840 --> 02:58:10,560
Speaker 13: but he has an ailment from the as you said,

3092
02:58:10,640 --> 02:58:14,160
Speaker 13: the chemo and radiation. Anything he can do to kind

3093
02:58:14,200 --> 02:58:15,400
Speaker 13: of get some of that out.

3094
02:58:15,240 --> 02:58:15,840
Speaker 5: Of his body.

3095
02:58:17,640 --> 02:58:22,560
Speaker 19: Yeah, a radical detox, very radical detox, but he's got

3096
02:58:22,680 --> 02:58:25,560
Speaker 19: to be systematic about the detox. A detox program that

3097
02:58:25,840 --> 02:58:29,720
Speaker 19: I run is based upon all of the research I've

3098
02:58:29,760 --> 02:58:32,280
Speaker 19: ever done for so many times, for so many years,

3099
02:58:32,600 --> 02:58:36,240
Speaker 19: and it includes eleven levels of removing waste from our bodies.

3100
02:58:37,040 --> 02:58:40,840
Speaker 19: I recommend relation therapy, a bunch of different things. But

3101
02:58:40,959 --> 02:58:43,240
Speaker 19: he's going to have a radical change of his diet.

3102
02:58:43,320 --> 02:58:45,640
Speaker 19: He's not going to go back to the same foods

3103
02:58:45,680 --> 02:58:49,640
Speaker 19: he was eating when he developed the cancer. That's absolutely foolish.

3104
02:58:50,040 --> 02:58:54,200
Speaker 19: But I do work as a consultant. I do consult

3105
02:58:54,280 --> 02:58:58,720
Speaker 19: with cancer patients, and I've been very fortunate. I don't

3106
02:58:58,959 --> 02:59:00,760
Speaker 19: know that I've ever lost the cancer.

3107
02:59:00,879 --> 02:59:01,160
Speaker 4: Patient.

3108
02:59:01,280 --> 02:59:07,080
Speaker 19: One was a wonderful, wonderful story of survival and thriving leukemia,

3109
02:59:07,520 --> 02:59:12,920
Speaker 19: and he's thriving now. But one patient I had taken

3110
02:59:13,000 --> 02:59:20,120
Speaker 19: the COVID vaccine, and I highly recommend against doing that,

3111
02:59:21,080 --> 02:59:24,160
Speaker 19: released not without research. If you research and then decide

3112
02:59:24,160 --> 02:59:26,280
Speaker 19: to do it, hey, it's on you. But the COVID

3113
02:59:26,400 --> 02:59:29,760
Speaker 19: vaccine apparently is triggering this thing that has been called

3114
02:59:30,120 --> 02:59:35,879
Speaker 19: in the conspiracy circles quote unquote turbo cancer. But turbo

3115
02:59:36,000 --> 02:59:40,520
Speaker 19: cancer just means very aggressive, very quick acting, and people

3116
02:59:40,600 --> 02:59:44,040
Speaker 19: are being diagnosed with cancer already at stage four.

3117
02:59:45,680 --> 02:59:51,400
Speaker 13: Okay, sir, So how could I have my brother contect

3118
02:59:51,480 --> 02:59:52,840
Speaker 13: you for consultations?

3119
02:59:53,840 --> 02:59:56,440
Speaker 19: Yeah. I don't get to give out my text number.

3120
02:59:56,720 --> 03:00:00,400
Speaker 19: And I ask everybody please text me before you call,

3121
03:00:00,480 --> 03:00:02,320
Speaker 19: because more normally I may be in a meeting or

3122
03:00:02,400 --> 03:00:04,640
Speaker 19: whatever on a radio show. Teks me and I'll call

3123
03:00:04,720 --> 03:00:09,640
Speaker 19: you back. My text number seven zero two five eight

3124
03:00:10,080 --> 03:00:14,120
Speaker 19: zero zero six six two. I'll give it out again

3125
03:00:14,200 --> 03:00:15,760
Speaker 19: at the end of the show too.

3126
03:00:16,879 --> 03:00:19,360
Speaker 1: All right, thanks brother, good luck and.

3127
03:00:19,520 --> 03:00:21,199
Speaker 19: Thank you for being there for your friend.

3128
03:00:22,200 --> 03:00:25,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, brother Keaty tell us away from the top. A

3129
03:00:25,160 --> 03:00:28,640
Speaker 1: tweet question for you this is ask him about the

3130
03:00:28,760 --> 03:00:31,320
Speaker 1: names of the herbs he's taking and the names of

3131
03:00:31,400 --> 03:00:34,360
Speaker 1: his books. Ask him if herbs and supplements are safe.

3132
03:00:36,600 --> 03:00:41,200
Speaker 19: I wrote a book called Living Super Food Longevity, one

3133
03:00:41,280 --> 03:00:44,280
Speaker 19: of sixty books that I have published.

3134
03:00:44,320 --> 03:00:44,480
Speaker 7: Now.

3135
03:00:45,400 --> 03:00:48,720
Speaker 19: Most recent books I'm reading from the book The prot

3136
03:00:49,480 --> 03:00:54,520
Speaker 19: The Year Against Cancer. Recently I wrote a book called

3137
03:00:54,560 --> 03:00:58,400
Speaker 19: The Stem Cell Revolution, which also goes into cancer cancer

3138
03:00:58,480 --> 03:01:02,760
Speaker 19: stem sounds and talks about holistic path for regenerative medicine.

3139
03:01:03,080 --> 03:01:06,960
Speaker 19: And that wrote another book years ago called Food is

3140
03:01:07,680 --> 03:01:11,240
Speaker 19: oh No. I wrote this book in December, Living Super

3141
03:01:11,280 --> 03:01:12,080
Speaker 19: Food Solutions.

3142
03:01:12,120 --> 03:01:13,160
Speaker 4: So all of those go.

3143
03:01:13,320 --> 03:01:16,760
Speaker 19: Into cancer and among sixty books that talk about this

3144
03:01:16,920 --> 03:01:19,600
Speaker 19: quite a bit. And in so far as supplements. In

3145
03:01:19,920 --> 03:01:23,000
Speaker 19: the book Living Super Food Longevity, I had a chapter

3146
03:01:23,360 --> 03:01:28,400
Speaker 19: called my arsenal of anti aging Supplements. Now I will

3147
03:01:28,560 --> 03:01:32,000
Speaker 19: admit I'm constantly adding to this arsenal. Right now that

3148
03:01:32,240 --> 03:01:36,000
Speaker 19: arsenal is up to fifty two different substances substances that.

3149
03:01:36,080 --> 03:01:39,240
Speaker 1: I take a chant away from the time. Brother Key,

3150
03:01:39,280 --> 03:01:41,520
Speaker 1: Let's talk about some alternatives, and we're talking about the

3151
03:01:41,560 --> 03:01:44,400
Speaker 1: food that we consume. So for the brothers who we

3152
03:01:44,520 --> 03:01:47,600
Speaker 1: talked about the barbecue, the brother in tweeting from Louisiana

3153
03:01:47,720 --> 03:01:51,320
Speaker 1: and Kansas City, they like that barbecue ribs and stuff

3154
03:01:51,400 --> 03:01:53,800
Speaker 1: like that. What are some alternatives do you have to

3155
03:01:54,200 --> 03:01:55,520
Speaker 1: give up that taste totally?

3156
03:01:57,520 --> 03:01:59,680
Speaker 19: I've given it up and I don't miss it at all.

3157
03:02:00,240 --> 03:02:04,280
Speaker 19: I've given up alcohol, especially well. I gave up alcohol

3158
03:02:04,320 --> 03:02:10,600
Speaker 19: in nineteen eighty six. Recently, the American Cancer Association came

3159
03:02:10,680 --> 03:02:14,120
Speaker 19: out completely against all alcohol. It said, there is no

3160
03:02:14,400 --> 03:02:18,920
Speaker 19: minimum amount of alcohol that's going to tolerate the lowered

3161
03:02:19,240 --> 03:02:22,680
Speaker 19: risk of developing cancer. You can easily find ad out

3162
03:02:22,800 --> 03:02:25,840
Speaker 19: confirm that I'm saying that. So the American Cancer Society

3163
03:02:26,080 --> 03:02:30,560
Speaker 19: finally agreed with me and I do not encourage any alcohol.

3164
03:02:31,160 --> 03:02:35,000
Speaker 19: No wine. Wine has resbaratrol in it, which is great,

3165
03:02:35,280 --> 03:02:37,160
Speaker 19: but that's from the pigmentation of the grapes. So we'll

3166
03:02:37,200 --> 03:02:40,240
Speaker 19: be better off eliminating the alcohol and just go for

3167
03:02:40,520 --> 03:02:44,480
Speaker 19: the red pigmentation from eating the grapes. So when we're

3168
03:02:44,600 --> 03:02:48,360
Speaker 19: talking about an anti cancer diet. I'm going to recommend

3169
03:02:48,959 --> 03:02:52,680
Speaker 19: my books on nutrition. I have three e books called

3170
03:02:52,720 --> 03:02:57,560
Speaker 19: Living Superfood Recipes, Volume one, Volume two, and Volume three.

3171
03:02:58,000 --> 03:03:02,320
Speaker 19: My Living Superfood Recipes Volume two has a recipe in

3172
03:03:02,440 --> 03:03:07,520
Speaker 19: it called Spinach Save My Life, and that recipe has

3173
03:03:07,560 --> 03:03:11,320
Speaker 19: about eighteen different ingredients in it. But this recipe Spinach

3174
03:03:11,400 --> 03:03:15,440
Speaker 19: saved my life. If I were diagnosed with cancer, I

3175
03:03:15,560 --> 03:03:18,160
Speaker 19: would be eating Spinach Saved my Life soup at least

3176
03:03:18,520 --> 03:03:21,320
Speaker 19: four days a week. And there are other things that

3177
03:03:21,400 --> 03:03:25,320
Speaker 19: people can eat regularly. I keep my weight low by

3178
03:03:25,400 --> 03:03:29,560
Speaker 19: eating chia pudding for breakfast every morning. I engage in

3179
03:03:29,720 --> 03:03:33,400
Speaker 19: intermittent fasting every day where I restrict all of my

3180
03:03:33,520 --> 03:03:38,240
Speaker 19: eating to between twelve noon and six pm. There's everything

3181
03:03:38,360 --> 03:03:41,040
Speaker 19: we can do. We got to diet, we got to exercise,

3182
03:03:41,400 --> 03:03:43,800
Speaker 19: we can There's so much that we can do and

3183
03:03:43,920 --> 03:03:47,000
Speaker 19: make the changes. And I encourage everybody go ahead and

3184
03:03:47,040 --> 03:03:49,640
Speaker 19: make the changes. After a few weeks of habit, it

3185
03:03:49,680 --> 03:03:52,000
Speaker 19: takes what twenty one days, so savage a new habit.

3186
03:03:52,400 --> 03:03:56,640
Speaker 19: Old habits die hard, but new habits form very quickly.

3187
03:03:57,000 --> 03:03:58,720
Speaker 19: And last one, I want to say, I got to

3188
03:03:58,720 --> 03:04:02,080
Speaker 19: get this in. I want to share from doctor Linus Pauling.

3189
03:04:02,160 --> 03:04:05,400
Speaker 19: He won two Nobel Prizes in his life. He said

3190
03:04:05,800 --> 03:04:09,800
Speaker 19: everyone should know that most cancer research is largely a

3191
03:04:10,120 --> 03:04:14,920
Speaker 19: fraud and that the major cancer research organizations are derelicting

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03:04:14,959 --> 03:04:18,640
Speaker 19: their duties to the people who support them. That quote

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03:04:18,760 --> 03:04:20,039
Speaker 19: from doctor Linus Pauling.

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Speaker 1: All right, now I eate away from the top of that.

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03:04:23,480 --> 03:04:25,720
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this, though, brother Kitty. Fasting does

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03:04:25,760 --> 03:04:27,440
Speaker 1: that help or is just delays?

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Speaker 4: I'm sorry, please repeat fasting?

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03:04:30,879 --> 03:04:33,520
Speaker 1: Does that help you if you're finding cancer? Or does

3199
03:04:33,600 --> 03:04:35,080
Speaker 1: it just delay the process?

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03:04:35,280 --> 03:04:35,440
Speaker 4: Oh?

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03:04:35,560 --> 03:04:35,600
Speaker 7: No?

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03:04:35,920 --> 03:04:39,760
Speaker 19: The fast thing is one is the fastest known healing

3203
03:04:39,840 --> 03:04:42,720
Speaker 19: method one can do. I'm glad you asked that, because

3204
03:04:42,760 --> 03:04:45,520
Speaker 19: what fasting does is it turns on, among many things,

3205
03:04:45,920 --> 03:04:50,080
Speaker 19: it turns on autophogy A U T O p H

3206
03:04:50,200 --> 03:04:54,800
Speaker 19: A g Y. Everyone needs to know that word autopogy. Essentially,

3207
03:04:55,160 --> 03:04:59,960
Speaker 19: autopogy is telling your body to get rid of senescence, sound,

3208
03:05:00,480 --> 03:05:03,160
Speaker 19: or cells that are end of their useful life and

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03:05:03,320 --> 03:05:10,720
Speaker 19: do not replicate themselves. Well, autoplogy definitely eliminates cancer cells,

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03:05:11,000 --> 03:05:14,160
Speaker 19: it doesn't completely eliminate it. We don't really know what

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03:05:14,640 --> 03:05:17,960
Speaker 19: your stage of cancer is. But if our body is

3212
03:05:18,280 --> 03:05:21,519
Speaker 19: right on the edge of keeping everything cleaned up. Autopogy

3213
03:05:21,680 --> 03:05:23,240
Speaker 19: turns on that clean up process.

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03:05:24,360 --> 03:05:25,880
Speaker 1: I got to ask you this question, what is the

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03:05:25,959 --> 03:05:28,360
Speaker 1: name of that. I think it's a fruit that the

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03:05:28,560 --> 03:05:30,640
Speaker 1: leaves that you can use. I know it's in the Caribbean.

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03:05:30,720 --> 03:05:34,400
Speaker 1: A lot of those folks down there using fighting sour shop.

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03:05:34,560 --> 03:05:37,440
Speaker 1: Yeah does that work? Or is that just some sort

3219
03:05:37,440 --> 03:05:38,560
Speaker 1: of internet chatter?

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03:05:38,879 --> 03:05:39,080
Speaker 5: Yeah?

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03:05:39,240 --> 03:05:42,160
Speaker 19: No, no, no, it appears to work. Now, there is

3222
03:05:42,280 --> 03:05:45,400
Speaker 19: debate on it, especially when we look at anything from

3223
03:05:45,440 --> 03:05:48,720
Speaker 19: the mainstream and coology industries. They don't seem to want

3224
03:05:48,760 --> 03:05:52,039
Speaker 19: to suggest that all the fruits and vegetables will help,

3225
03:05:52,240 --> 03:05:54,959
Speaker 19: because obviously it's going to cut into their bottom line.

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03:05:55,280 --> 03:05:59,879
Speaker 19: But soursop otherwise known as graviola, is a good good

3227
03:06:00,160 --> 03:06:02,920
Speaker 19: thing that people who want to prevent it or people

3228
03:06:03,000 --> 03:06:06,240
Speaker 19: who have been diagnosed with cancer are adding to their

3229
03:06:06,400 --> 03:06:10,440
Speaker 19: nutritional program. And I do encourage the consumption of graviola.

3230
03:06:11,320 --> 03:06:12,880
Speaker 1: So what do you Because I heard that it's the

3231
03:06:13,080 --> 03:06:16,160
Speaker 1: leaves and you're saying it's the fruit, So which is

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03:06:16,240 --> 03:06:17,199
Speaker 1: it or is it both?

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03:06:17,320 --> 03:06:19,480
Speaker 19: All of all the parts of the graviola plant have

3234
03:06:19,600 --> 03:06:25,920
Speaker 19: been identified as very pro immune system function. So you

3235
03:06:26,040 --> 03:06:28,720
Speaker 19: eat the leaves, you make tea from the leaves. You

3236
03:06:28,800 --> 03:06:31,680
Speaker 19: can eat it as to eat the fruits as wonderful.

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03:06:32,000 --> 03:06:35,800
Speaker 19: I'm having a cup of hibiscus juice here right now,

3238
03:06:36,280 --> 03:06:40,120
Speaker 19: and hibiscus juice is definitely known to reinforce the function

3239
03:06:40,240 --> 03:06:43,160
Speaker 19: of the immune system is an anti inflammatory. If I

3240
03:06:43,240 --> 03:06:48,039
Speaker 19: put ginger in it, and if I put lime juice

3241
03:06:48,080 --> 03:06:50,800
Speaker 19: in it, it's even more powerful. So I love my

3242
03:06:50,879 --> 03:06:51,840
Speaker 19: hibiscus juice better.

3243
03:06:51,920 --> 03:06:55,560
Speaker 1: Carl, all right, that's interesting. A lot of good information

3244
03:06:55,640 --> 03:06:58,040
Speaker 1: you shared with us this morning, brother Katie. But how

3245
03:06:58,120 --> 03:07:00,680
Speaker 1: can folks reach you? Folks want more in mission and

3246
03:07:00,959 --> 03:07:02,480
Speaker 1: give us a couple of the names, a couple of

3247
03:07:02,520 --> 03:07:04,840
Speaker 1: bookscause you've got several books out there to deal with

3248
03:07:04,959 --> 03:07:05,440
Speaker 1: this topic.

3249
03:07:06,400 --> 03:07:06,840
Speaker 4: That's right.

3250
03:07:07,640 --> 03:07:12,360
Speaker 19: To reach me my text me only at area code

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03:07:12,400 --> 03:07:17,240
Speaker 19: seven zero two five eight seven zero two five eight

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Speaker 19: zero zero six six' two text, me AND i will

3253
03:07:21,120 --> 03:07:24,360
Speaker 19: call you back at my. Convenience and also the Book

3254
03:07:24,400 --> 03:07:28,120
Speaker 19: i'm reading from, TODAY A Year Against cancer With living

3255
03:07:28,360 --> 03:07:31,800
Speaker 19: super Food, solutions INCLUDING i list the foods to, EAT

3256
03:07:32,000 --> 03:07:35,119
Speaker 19: i list the herbs to, TAKE i list after lists

3257
03:07:35,160 --> 03:07:38,720
Speaker 19: after list of what causes, cancer environmental. Toxics this book

3258
03:07:38,840 --> 03:07:44,480
Speaker 19: is just loaded loaded with. Information the stem Cell revolution

3259
03:07:44,720 --> 03:07:49,959
Speaker 19: is another Book Holistic pathways Or Holistic strategies for turning

3260
03:07:50,120 --> 03:07:55,120
Speaker 19: on regenerative, medicine and that book will show you how

3261
03:07:55,160 --> 03:07:58,920
Speaker 19: to reverse your. Aging another book that recently came out

3262
03:07:59,480 --> 03:08:04,520
Speaker 19: Is Living Superfood, solutions And i'm definitely going to recommend another,

3263
03:08:04,640 --> 03:08:09,879
Speaker 19: book one hundred Plus. Lifespan it's a wonderful book and exciting,

3264
03:08:09,920 --> 03:08:13,600
Speaker 19: book and most of us want to live beyond one.

3265
03:08:13,720 --> 03:08:17,440
Speaker 19: Hundred people should know is being very. Common earlier you

3266
03:08:17,600 --> 03:08:21,080
Speaker 19: talked about people who, said, oh my great grandmother smoked

3267
03:08:21,080 --> 03:08:23,880
Speaker 19: to she was one hundred and one and they meet

3268
03:08:23,920 --> 03:08:28,560
Speaker 19: and all that. Stuff, well that is the extreme. Rarity

3269
03:08:29,240 --> 03:08:33,360
Speaker 19: we don't base our life based upon other people's. Faults

3270
03:08:33,879 --> 03:08:37,280
Speaker 19: that are extreme cases of rarity of. Disease we will

3271
03:08:37,320 --> 03:08:40,480
Speaker 19: be better off basing our life on the.

3272
03:08:40,760 --> 03:08:41,320
Speaker 4: Average.

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03:08:42,600 --> 03:08:46,000
Speaker 1: Gotcha, so Brother, katie is a website the folks can

3274
03:08:46,080 --> 03:08:48,840
Speaker 1: go to for more. Information, yeah they can.

3275
03:08:48,840 --> 03:08:51,440
Speaker 19: Go to my personal website and get all of these.

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03:08:51,480 --> 03:08:54,680
Speaker 19: Books AS i just, mentioned that's K E i D

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03:08:55,200 --> 03:08:59,200
Speaker 19: i dot B I Z ked dot Biz and you're

3278
03:08:59,240 --> 03:09:01,600
Speaker 19: going to go into The conscious runs The Press voter

3279
03:09:01,840 --> 03:09:03,320
Speaker 19: and you're going to see a list of the books.

3280
03:09:03,360 --> 03:09:06,720
Speaker 1: There all, right thank, you Brother keaty thank you for

3281
03:09:07,080 --> 03:09:08,920
Speaker 1: joining us on such late, notice and thank you for

3282
03:09:09,000 --> 03:09:10,280
Speaker 1: sharing this information with us this.

3283
03:09:10,400 --> 03:09:14,200
Speaker 19: Morning, well you, Know, carl anytime you, CALL i take it,

3284
03:09:14,400 --> 03:09:17,160
Speaker 19: seriously even when you wake me up at four o'clock

3285
03:09:17,200 --> 03:09:17,320
Speaker 19: in the.

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03:09:17,400 --> 03:09:20,280
Speaker 1: Morning that's, right Brother keaty is out In vegas these.

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03:09:20,360 --> 03:09:22,680
Speaker 1: Days thank, you Brother, Keaty thank you for. Sharing thank

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03:09:22,720 --> 03:09:25,120
Speaker 1: you for The carl All right. Family that's it for the.

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03:09:25,200 --> 03:09:28,360
Speaker 1: Day class is. Over class is. Dismissed to stay, strong stay,

3290
03:09:28,440 --> 03:09:31,400
Speaker 1: positive please please stay. Healthy we'll see you tomorrow, morning

3291
03:09:31,440 --> 03:09:34,519
Speaker 1: six o'clock right here In baltimore on ten TEN wlb

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Speaker 1: and also in THE. Dmv i'm fourteen FIFTY wol