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Speaker 1: Jerry Lopez is filling in for Nigel. It's the Hammer

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Speaker 1: in Nigel Show. Governor Mike Braun joining us in studio,

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Speaker 1: and our friends at sun King have provided their premium

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Speaker 1: light logger for you.

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Speaker 2: And it's a ready cracked.

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Speaker 1: It's been one of those days, right, It's been a

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Speaker 1: as many topics as we can. Let's start with toll roads.

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Speaker 1: This has been a hot topic of our audience. People

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Speaker 2: Is this going to happen?

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Speaker 1: If I live in Marion County, If I live in

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Speaker 2: So?

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Speaker 3: Tolling has been talked about for a long time. Three

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Speaker 3: We get just a few lanes expanded, and we've got

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Speaker 3: So nothing certain. It just gives us the opportunity if

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Speaker 2: They are user fees.

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Speaker 3: The people that use it pay fart and you'll get

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Speaker 3: So if you're using it to go out of state,

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Speaker 4: So two things. One, this sounds like you're just we're

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Speaker 4: But we're basically talking about the sun Pass in Florida.

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Speaker 2: Appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: One of the most well attended ceremonial signings of the

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Speaker 1: I know so many people were pushing for Hayley's Law,

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Speaker 3: So I met them a couple months ago as we

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Speaker 4: And my heart breaks for the Busby family. But imagine

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Speaker 3: Through, and they were I mean, that takes a lot

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Speaker 1: Hammer in Nigel's show, The iu RC has been a

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Speaker 3: It, so no governor has done as much to weigh

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Speaker 3: I've made it clear that you're not going to have

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Speaker 2: We got to have generation. It's got to be reliable.

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Speaker 3: It can't be a rubber stamp, though whenever you ask

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Speaker 3: It's about freedom of speech and being able to express

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Speaker 2: Respect the other point.

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Speaker 4: I mean to that point, Chris Hammer and Jade Lopez

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Speaker 4: So thank you for steading up for those kids, because,

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Speaker 4: like Chris Hammer saw when he ran for school president,

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Speaker 4: there's a whole machine behind you to shut.

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Speaker 3: You up, right, And what's really got the burned up

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Speaker 2: That's never happened.

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Speaker 3: Never happened when I was down at Bloomington at the

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Speaker 3: Charlie kirk Thingk quarter mile line to get into the auditorium,

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Speaker 2: Was packed to the rafter and there' twenty year old kids.

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Speaker 3: Right, and they're enthusiastic, just like the other side's always been.

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Speaker 3: But that's waning. Look at their policies and more and

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Speaker 1: Really this is is that if a school offers some

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Speaker 1: and somebody wants to start a turning point chapter, the

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Speaker 1: school has to basically allow that. I mean, I don't

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Speaker 1: think it's that controversial of a take. Just be fair,

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Speaker 1: allow these kids to do their thing. But I was

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Speaker 1: there for the US Conference governor, and they made it

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Speaker 4: We did a story of Supreme Court where they're like

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Speaker 4: say you don't have to transition. Why they wanted to

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Speaker 4: get rid of the other side of and that's our side.

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Speaker 4: They wanted to quiet our voices.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's been in my time in the US Senate.

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Speaker 3: They're faster footed than we are. We generally don't speak

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Speaker 3: tides turning. And the thing that gets them the most

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Speaker 2: That point of view.

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Speaker 1: Last thing, and I know your staff has giving me

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Speaker 1: the side O here, you got to get out of here.

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Speaker 2: I get that.

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Speaker 1: on my phone started scrolling was from your Lieutenant Governor

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Speaker 1: Micah Beckworth talking about how if you are an undocumented

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Speaker 1: immigrant in the state of Indiana at midnight tonight, that

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Speaker 1: driver's license, that commercial driver's license, it's not going to

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Speaker 1: be the same as what it used to be.

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Speaker 3: So CDLs and especially the ones issued out of a

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Speaker 3: slot machine. Maybe in New York, Illinois, California especially, that

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Speaker 3: isn't going to cut it.

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Speaker 2: If you're driving a big rig.

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Speaker 3: You've got to be able to read the signs, you've

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Speaker 3: got to be able to speak the language, and you've

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Speaker 3: got to get a legitimate CDL with the training that

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Speaker 3: comes along with it. And there's gonna there are drivers

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Speaker 3: out there that are not probably documented properly and probably

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Speaker 3: had no issue, but they can at least do those

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Speaker 3: basics here. You got to draw the line at some

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Speaker 3: point and make sure that when you're on public roadways

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Speaker 3: that you are skilled, you're trained, and that you're documented properly.

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Speaker 2: Simple as that, kevinor Mike Brawn.

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Speaker 1: We always appreciate you taking the time to join us

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Speaker 1: in studio. Thank you so much, my pleasure,