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Speaker 2: It's Tony Katz today, point seven percent.

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Speaker 1: That's the increase in wholesale prices in the month of February.

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Speaker 1: Tony Katz, Tony Kats today, Good to be with you.

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Speaker 1: This is not the number you want if you're running

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Speaker 1: for reelection. Nothing about this feels good. And I've got

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Speaker 1: a theory, and I believe the theory involves tariffs and

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Speaker 2: Point seven percent.

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Speaker 1: The expectation was point three percent up for the producer

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Speaker 1: price index, that's wholesale prices core right you exclude food

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Speaker 1: to say on the twelve month inflation was three point four.

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Speaker 1: If it's point seven, it's way more than three point

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Speaker 1: four based on the way you do the math. But

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Speaker 1: what does this What are you taking from this report?

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Speaker 1: What should we be looking at?

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean, obviouslyero point seven times twelve is eight

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Speaker 3: But there's a few aspects of this that are very important,

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Speaker 3: This is what the manufacturers are paying. But we know

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Speaker 3: that we've seen. The ISMPMI report said very high wholesale

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Speaker 3: government is still spending too much money. That's part of

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Speaker 3: So one, do we just have too much government spending

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Speaker 3: and all of these things are not good. The economy

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Speaker 1: So first things first, none of this has to do

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Speaker 1: Not a single ounce of what we're seeing from this

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Speaker 3: True, true, because that was pre this report. All the

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Speaker 1: But with a tariff conversation, this could be taken as

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Speaker 1: This is officially being passed on now to the retailer,

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Speaker 1: So this now leads us to where does where do

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Speaker 3: Okay, there is there's three parts to that. The tariffs

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Speaker 3: Trump did that in this first term. He'd grew himself

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Speaker 2: Yeah? And the Warpower's Act sixty days?

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Speaker 2: What's the biggest turnaround he can make?

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Speaker 1: What is the thing that you would say to him,

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Speaker 3: He won't. He needs to eliminate the tariffs and he

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Speaker 1: Doctor Matt Will, economist at the University of Indianapolis.

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Speaker 1: I think the best way to put it is that

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Speaker 1: the confirmation hearing of Mark Wayne Mullen to be the

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Speaker 1: which is a fine conversation to have. Rational short go

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Speaker 2: And that's where he lost it.

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Speaker 1: He had the arguments, he was allowed to put Senator

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Speaker 1: Your neighbor, Senator Paul had anger control issues. Senator Mark

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Speaker 1: but it's it is. It was foolhardy, foolhardy, for Senator

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Speaker 5: Mister Chairman. First of all, I didn't know the extent

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Speaker 5: You didn't engage at all. In fact, you said get

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Speaker 4: You offer no apology, sir, And you offer no apology

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Speaker 5: Actually it wasn't heated, and I'm not apologizing for point

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Speaker 1: Couldn't so okay, that's how it started. That's how it began.

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Speaker 2: No one should be surprised. This is Tony Cats today.

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Speaker 1: So Caroline Levitt, the White House Press Secretary, did not

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Speaker 2: We're going to have to protect and defend our oil.

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Speaker 1: These people think we're carrying the heavy burden here. They're

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Speaker 2: You're the ones who use it? Why don't you pay

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Speaker 1: And that has led to Trump calling on these people

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Speaker 2: Oh good lord.

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Speaker 2: You know we can't control in this I have discussed,

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Speaker 1: Regime, which I believe we can have a say in

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Speaker 2: We've got all the data.

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Speaker 1: It's not our province, your problem. We have to now

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Speaker 2: Now you figure it out with them, will take out,

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Speaker 1: We will have a say in who the new leadership is,

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Speaker 2: I think there are a lot of Americans to be like, yeah.

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Speaker 1: It's totally fine, because I do believe that the vast

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Speaker 2: Go, they got.

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Speaker 2: Now they still vote for.

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Speaker 2: Say, this is the fact.

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Speaker 1: This is what we know to be true. And all

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Speaker 1: We've been talking about this for years. I can go

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Speaker 1: back to Trump's first term. I was discussing this on air.

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Speaker 1: But this is the background for which the questions now

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Speaker 1: come to Caroline Levitish as she's there on Pebble Beach.

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Speaker 1: That's the area of the White House where the cameras

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Speaker 1: are all set up. They call it Pebble Beach. It

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Speaker 1: does according to the legend. It comes from the TV

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Speaker 1: show of the West Wing. But I do think they

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Speaker 1: now call it Pebble Beach.

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Speaker 2: It might be they.

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Speaker 1: Might call it something else there within the those who

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Speaker 1: are actually on the grounds and part of the press

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Speaker 1: corps there she's talking to the press outside the White House.

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Speaker 1: The President declare this forever a success.

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Speaker 2: Does not retrieved Iran's nuclear view.

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Speaker 6: Look, that's something the President has refused to comment on.

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Speaker 6: It's an option on the table for him, but I'm

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Speaker 6: not going to comment on it or take it off

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Speaker 6: the table. We've defined the objectives of Operation Epic Fury

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Speaker 6: very clearly, which is, of course, to wipe out Iran's

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Speaker 6: ballistic missile arsenal, which we have been very successful in doing.

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Speaker 6: We've achieved dominance over the skies of Iran to annihilate

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Speaker 6: their navy, which we have done. According to Sentcom this morning,

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Speaker 6: I received the updated numbers, more than one hundred and

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Speaker 6: twenty naval vessels are at the bottom of the sea

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Speaker 6: because of our United.

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Speaker 2: States Armed Forces.

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Speaker 6: That's a great thing for the American people, that's a

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Speaker 6: great thing for our allies in the region. And of course,

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Speaker 6: to ensure that, yes, Iran cannot permanently, permanently cannot possess

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Speaker 6: a nuclear weapon is something this President has long said

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Speaker 6: for decades. But I'm not going to forecast or remove

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Speaker 6: any future options off the table.

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Speaker 2: So the question is, hey, what is success here? What

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Speaker 2: has he done? Kenny do this and still leave it.

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Speaker 2: It's okay.

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Speaker 1: The press wants these drop dead dates, this certainty, and no,

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Speaker 1: the White House is absolutely not going to give them that.

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Speaker 1: And the White House is correct and not giving them.

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Speaker 3: That the ability to produce a good weapon or not.

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Speaker 6: Look again, we're in a place right now where we're

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Speaker 6: ensuring that Iran can no longer threat in the United

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Speaker 6: States of America, and the United States military is doing

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Speaker 6: a tremendous job at achieving these objectives.

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Speaker 3: Jack Caroline is Tolsey Gabbert's job in.

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Speaker 2: Jeopardy right now giving a Joe Kent's stuff.

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Speaker 1: Not to my knowledge, I have a question about Telsea Gabbert,

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Speaker 1: the Director of National Intelligence. You have that Joe Kent resignation,

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Speaker 1: and that's fine, glad he's gone. And it's weird because

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Speaker 1: all of Joe Joe Kent was running national counter terrorism

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Speaker 1: and said that he had to resign because he simply

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Speaker 1: could not stand idly by and see America at war

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Speaker 1: in Iran and there was no pretext for it, and

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Speaker 1: there was no imminent.

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Speaker 2: Threat to it.

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Speaker 1: But he's got posting after posting after posting about the

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Speaker 1: threat of the Iranians and taking out the Iranian regime,

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Speaker 1: statement after statement in his past on social media and

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Speaker 1: other places, in interviews, etc. So it's very, very very

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Speaker 1: hard to take this move of his seriously. And as

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Speaker 1: you've heard me talk about, Joe Kent is a Tucker puppet.

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Speaker 1: If you support Israel, you're a puppet of Israel, you're

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Speaker 1: being paid for by Massade. Then the answer is you're

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Speaker 1: a Tucker puppet. That's all you are. None of this

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Speaker 1: is real. And for the record, I am on record

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Speaker 1: this move from Joe Kent, this move makes no sense whatsoever.

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Speaker 1: The only way it makes sense is if you're going

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Speaker 1: after an audience. The only way It makes sense is

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Speaker 1: if you see this as your future, and I believe

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Speaker 1: this true of Candice, of Tucker and Kelly and all

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Speaker 1: the rest. They see an audience here, fill that audience

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Speaker 1: with your content.

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Speaker 2: The whole idea.

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Speaker 1: That you're going to say that we have no interest

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Speaker 1: in taking out the Iranian regime is laughable nonsense from

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Speaker 1: silly people who are dishonest.

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Speaker 2: Israel's in charge of US foreign policy.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Marjorie Taylor Green, I didn't believe you before, I don't.

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Speaker 2: Believe you now.

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Speaker 1: It's a ridiculous argument made by people who are unwilling

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Speaker 1: to engage honestly and actually debate the facts event after

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Speaker 1: event after event of terrorism linked to the Iranian regime.

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Speaker 1: July nineteen eighty nine, the murder of Colonel William Higgins.

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Speaker 1: Iran backed HEZBLA killed US Marine Colonel William Higgins after

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Speaker 1: kidnapping him the previous year while he was serving with

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Speaker 1: a UN peacekeep in Lebanon.

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Speaker 2: That's enough for me.

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Speaker 1: That's enough to take out the entire Iranian regime. That

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Speaker 1: might not be enough for some, but that's their problem,

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Speaker 1: packs americanas you better believe it. Oh, you're just a warmonger.

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Speaker 1: I don't listen to those pansy children. I don't think

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Speaker 1: you should either, But that does not mean we shouldn't

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Speaker 1: always ask ourselves whether we're doing the right thing, whether

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Speaker 1: we're engaged.

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Speaker 2: Properly, whether we've engaged with overwhelming force. If you ask

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Speaker 2: me if I ever.

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Speaker 1: Believe in engaging encounter and certaincy tactics, again, I watch

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Speaker 1: what happened in Afghanistan. The answer is hell no, And

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Speaker 1: I want to throw a couple of those generals in jail.

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Speaker 1: Twenty years, billions and billions and billions of dollars and

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Speaker 1: the entire Afghan army fell to the Taliban in three hours.

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Speaker 2: Honey, you gots spend some time in jail. But the

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Speaker 2: idea that Iran.

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Speaker 1: Never did anything to us, it wasn't a threat to us,

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Speaker 1: is laughable. And that comes solely from the anti Israel set,

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Speaker 1: which exists because bigots always exist and exist because well,

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Speaker 1: it's good to have somebody to blame things on. And

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Speaker 1: it exists because there are these people who have large

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Speaker 1: audiences who've decided to make this the cornerstone of their arguments,

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Speaker 1: and people want to buy into it. No one believes

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Speaker 1: the con more than the Mark and Joe Kent, who,

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Speaker 1: according to multiple sources, was frozen out. No place for

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Speaker 1: Joe Kent in the White House, in the in the meetings.

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Speaker 2: About whether or not what to do with the RAND

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Speaker 2: going to war in Iran.

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Speaker 1: It's been repeated everywhere, left out of meetings, left out

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Speaker 1: of intelligence briefings. He's got a wife who is virily

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Speaker 1: leftist and anti Israel. And you understand why leftists are

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Speaker 1: anti Israel. Yes, they're anti Semites. And then that is

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Speaker 1: absolutely true. But it is also because when you see

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Speaker 1: the whole world as oppressed and oppressor, right, everything they

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Speaker 1: see is through the eyes of Karl Marx proletariat, the bourgeoisie,

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Speaker 1: as Barack Obama said, the ninety nine percent and the

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Speaker 1: one percent. Well, there's an oppressed, and there's an oppressor.

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Speaker 1: And you take a look at the Palestinians, Well they're brown.

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Speaker 1: They must be the oppressed. So therefore the Israelis are

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Speaker 1: the oppressors, bad oppressors. That is as simplistic and childish.

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Speaker 2: As they view the world.

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Speaker 1: Well, those Palestinians murder twelve hundred Israelis on October seventh,

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Speaker 1: Hamas and Palestinians, Well it wasn't really that bad, and

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Speaker 1: you know the rapes never happened. But still Israel's doing

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Speaker 1: too much. No, no, no, Israel's fault for taking the lands.

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Speaker 1: Israel's fault. That's their silly, childlike argument, not understanding history,

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Speaker 1: because for the leftist there is no history. History started today.

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Speaker 1: You think they've opened the book. By the way, Joe

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Speaker 1: Kent's wife, Heather Kaiser, has written for The Gray Zone,

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Speaker 1: a left leaning outlet known for its anti Israel and

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Speaker 1: critical US foreign policy stances. And they both have a

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Speaker 1: military history which in and of itself could be respectable.

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Speaker 1: What they have done since not so respectable. And by

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Speaker 1: the way, the wife of Kent, Shannon Kent, his first wife,

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Speaker 1: was killed by an ISIS suicide bomber.

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Speaker 2: I mean, the guy's got a story, and not.

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Speaker 1: All of it is something you just dismiss. But this

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Speaker 1: turn eighteen days after a war starts, all of a sudden,

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Speaker 1: you say, I can't be a part of this, and

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Speaker 1: then you're immediately scheduled. On the podcast of Candice Owens

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Speaker 1: and Tucker Carlson, Joe Kent, Tucker, this.

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Speaker 2: Is about opportunity. You're frozen out of the administration, so

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Speaker 2: you decided to go this way.

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Speaker 1: And you've got a wife now in your ear whispering

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Speaker 1: to you. Speak it to you. There's no doubt that

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Speaker 1: could have a play here. Tucker Puppet, Joe Kent. That's

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Speaker 1: how he will be referred to. I will never stop.

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Speaker 1: All I did was take the lessons from the left

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Speaker 1: and the woke right, and I'm applying it to them.

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Speaker 2: They can be as angry as they want, that's their problem.

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Speaker 2: Taking out the.

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Speaker 1: Iranian regime is the right thing to do. We'll have

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Speaker 1: victory when their terrorism is gone. I'm Tony Katz. They'll

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Speaker 1: vote on the same act, but it will not pass.

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Speaker 1: It's not going to pass, just so we all know it.

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Speaker 1: But I want to get these Democrats on the record.

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Speaker 1: I think that's important, Tony Katz, Tony Katz today, Good

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Speaker 1: to be with you. I also think it's important that

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Speaker 1: we vote Lisa Murkowski out.

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Speaker 2: She argues that the Save Act is.

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Speaker 1: Going to hurt Alaskans, and they live in such rural

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Speaker 1: areas that they won't be able to.

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Speaker 2: Engage the paperwork necessary to make.

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Speaker 1: Any level of name change or get IDs to register

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Speaker 1: to vote properly. I don't disagree, or I should say

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Speaker 1: I don't argue that there might that might take them

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Speaker 1: some more time if you're in very rural areas, I

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Speaker 1: could say that about anywhere. Doesn't change the fact that

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Speaker 1: you need to make sure you know who's voting and

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Speaker 1: you have IDs when they're registered to vote, never mind

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Speaker 1: actually voting.

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Speaker 2: That's that. And to not favor this, well, Murkowski has

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Speaker 2: to go. She has to go.

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Speaker 1: There's no place for her, and real money has to

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Speaker 1: be spent, if necessary, to get.

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Speaker 2: Her out of a primary, and she'll run that as

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Speaker 2: an independent. She's done it before.

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Speaker 1: You're gonna have to run hard against the Murkowski name

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Speaker 1: in Alaska.

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Speaker 2: But she has to go.

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Speaker 1: The fact that it might be more difficult doesn't mean

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Speaker 1: that the legislation shouldn't happen.

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Speaker 2: Find everything at Tony Kak dot com. I'll catch it tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: Everyone take it