1
00:00:02,080 --> 00:00:05,960
Speaker 1: A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of

2
00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:09,040
Speaker 1: a free state, the right of the people to keep

3
00:00:09,080 --> 00:00:13,000
Speaker 1: in their arms shall not be infringed. This is the

4
00:00:13,039 --> 00:00:17,720
Speaker 1: Second Amendment, and this is the Gun Guy a boom

5
00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:23,919
Speaker 1: boom boom boom bang bang bang bang boom, boom, boom,

6
00:00:23,920 --> 00:00:29,680
Speaker 1: boom a bang bang bom, Guy Ralford on ninety three WYBC.

7
00:00:32,760 --> 00:00:34,760
Speaker 2: Hey, welcome back for hour number two of the Gun

8
00:00:34,760 --> 00:00:37,960
Speaker 2: Guys Show here on ninety three WYBC. I'm so glad

9
00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:40,120
Speaker 2: you're with us. I'm going to come back to this

10
00:00:40,159 --> 00:00:43,400
Speaker 2: pistol brace issue and talk more later in the show

11
00:00:44,080 --> 00:00:48,000
Speaker 2: about where we really are on that. That discussion went

12
00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:51,120
Speaker 2: a little bit long, and I really want to set

13
00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:55,440
Speaker 2: up in an interview. I'm excited about here at six

14
00:00:55,440 --> 00:01:01,400
Speaker 2: point fifteen, Darren Vot Darren Vote pronounced that correctly, is

15
00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:04,760
Speaker 2: going to come onto the show. Darren is running for

16
00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:12,120
Speaker 2: Indiana Senate in Senate District fifteen, and I'm extremely excited

17
00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:17,840
Speaker 2: about him running in the primary for Senate District fifteen.

18
00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:22,320
Speaker 2: And I'll tell you exactly why. And let's back up

19
00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:23,959
Speaker 2: just a bit and talk from a little bit broader

20
00:01:24,319 --> 00:01:29,000
Speaker 2: perspective about the Indiana legislature in the Indiana Legislature for years,

21
00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:30,720
Speaker 2: and if you listen to the Gun Guy Show for

22
00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:32,240
Speaker 2: any length of time at all, you know I'm very

23
00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:35,959
Speaker 2: active in the legislature. I've written a lot of bills

24
00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:42,080
Speaker 2: that have become Indiana law. I've testified uncountable times, innumerable

25
00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:46,080
Speaker 2: times in support and against bills that affect our Second

26
00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:50,360
Speaker 2: Amendment rights here in Indiana. And I've been very involved,

27
00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:53,960
Speaker 2: and I know a lot of the people, the legislators individually,

28
00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:59,480
Speaker 2: and I've seen who's on our side, who's truly on

29
00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:04,680
Speaker 2: our side, who who votes with us, who votes against us,

30
00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:08,240
Speaker 2: who argues for us, and who argues against us, whether

31
00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:14,560
Speaker 2: in committee hearings or otherwise. And it's not a mystery

32
00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:19,119
Speaker 2: in terms of what defines our success or our failures

33
00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:22,760
Speaker 2: in the Indiana General Assembly. As far as two A advocates,

34
00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:26,320
Speaker 2: there's no mystery. I mean, we have a super majority

35
00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:30,720
Speaker 2: of Republicans in both the House and the Senate, so

36
00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:36,840
Speaker 2: we can get done what Republicans want to get done

37
00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:44,520
Speaker 2: in the Indiana General Assembly. So why is it, for instance,

38
00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:47,400
Speaker 2: that it took us ten years to get constitutional carry passed.

39
00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:55,480
Speaker 2: We have super majority of Republicans. If Republicans as part

40
00:02:55,480 --> 00:03:00,320
Speaker 2: of their platform support our Second Amendment rights and dutional

41
00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:04,280
Speaker 2: carry simply says that if I have a right guaranteed

42
00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:07,240
Speaker 2: to me by both the Indiana Constitution, Article one, Section

43
00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:10,239
Speaker 2: thirty two and the Second Amendment of the United States Constitution,

44
00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:15,840
Speaker 2: if that right to bear arms and bear means carry,

45
00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:18,840
Speaker 2: then why on earth would I have to go back

46
00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:22,760
Speaker 2: to the government and seek permission in the form of

47
00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:27,240
Speaker 2: a license to exercise a right I already have. That

48
00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:31,280
Speaker 2: doesn't make any sense, And that exact argument, the logic

49
00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:34,240
Speaker 2: behind that exact argument is why we have constitutional carry

50
00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:38,640
Speaker 2: now in twenty nine states and almost made it thirty.

51
00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:43,680
Speaker 2: They couldn't quite override a governor veto there this year,

52
00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:47,560
Speaker 2: or we would have had thirty. Why did it take

53
00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:51,080
Speaker 2: us ten years to get that done in Indiana? Ten

54
00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:57,560
Speaker 2: years we were number twenty two of the states to

55
00:03:57,640 --> 00:04:00,440
Speaker 2: adopt constitutional carry. So there were twenty one others dates

56
00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:04,720
Speaker 2: that beat us to the punch, that value constitutional freedoms

57
00:04:05,400 --> 00:04:07,520
Speaker 2: out of the Second Amendment here in Indiana more than

58
00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:09,920
Speaker 2: or across the country, I should say, more than our

59
00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:14,760
Speaker 2: legislature does here in Indiana. Well why is that? Well,

60
00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:19,280
Speaker 2: it's because we have Republicans and too many of them

61
00:04:20,279 --> 00:04:26,320
Speaker 2: who will fundraise on the Second Amendment, they'll campaign on

62
00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:31,360
Speaker 2: the second Amendment, they'll make promises on the second Amendment,

63
00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:34,960
Speaker 2: and then they'll stablish squarely in the back when it

64
00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:36,680
Speaker 2: comes to what they do and what they say and

65
00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:41,599
Speaker 2: how they vote in the Indiana General Assembly. And the

66
00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:44,919
Speaker 2: number one Republican, and I have to put Republicans a

67
00:04:44,960 --> 00:04:51,880
Speaker 2: Republican in quotes on that point is Liz Brown, Senator

68
00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:58,320
Speaker 2: from District fifteen, which is parts of maybe you could

69
00:04:58,320 --> 00:05:03,880
Speaker 2: even say mostly Fort Wayne. And what do we get

70
00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:06,240
Speaker 2: from Well, first of all, she held a position of

71
00:05:06,279 --> 00:05:10,599
Speaker 2: extreme power, thank goodness, and thanks to President pro Tem

72
00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:13,440
Speaker 2: Rod Bray, she no longer has this position, but for

73
00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:17,200
Speaker 2: several years, for many years, she was chairman of the

74
00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:20,239
Speaker 2: Judiciary Committee in the Senate. Well, most of our gun

75
00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:24,160
Speaker 2: related bills have to go through the Judiciary Committee. Constitutional

76
00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:28,560
Speaker 2: care had to go through the Judiciary Committee. So the

77
00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:31,200
Speaker 2: chairman of that committeet to hear what bills are heard

78
00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:34,440
Speaker 2: and what bills are not. And they have a lot

79
00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:38,480
Speaker 2: of control over whether the where they're entertain amendments and

80
00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:43,280
Speaker 2: when they do so, what amendments they offer themselves, how

81
00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:46,640
Speaker 2: they conduct their hearings. But most of all, whether they

82
00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:49,880
Speaker 2: give bills, hearings at all. It's a huge amount of

83
00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:54,480
Speaker 2: power we give these people, the chairs of the various committees.

84
00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:58,520
Speaker 2: And Liz Brown, as chairman of the Judiciary Committee in

85
00:05:58,520 --> 00:06:02,080
Speaker 2: the Indiana Senate, was our number one nemesis on Second

86
00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:06,280
Speaker 2: Amendment issues for years and years and years. And isn't

87
00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:13,159
Speaker 2: it a shame that she's a Republican And she was

88
00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:16,320
Speaker 2: our chief antagonist when it came to Second Amendment rights.

89
00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:20,640
Speaker 2: And let me tell you, let me tell how, let

90
00:06:20,640 --> 00:06:24,840
Speaker 2: me tell you a ridiculous hit got She either wouldn't

91
00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:28,919
Speaker 2: give us a vote or otherwise shot down constitutional carry

92
00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:33,360
Speaker 2: year after year after year. Then around it was either

93
00:06:33,400 --> 00:06:36,480
Speaker 2: twenty one or twenty two. I can look this up.

94
00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:40,719
Speaker 2: She had gotten so much heat over her opposition to

95
00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:44,560
Speaker 2: constitutional carry she actually offered her own constitutional carry bill,

96
00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:47,560
Speaker 2: and a lot of us looked at each other, those

97
00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:49,920
Speaker 2: of us involved in the legislature, We looked at each

98
00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:54,039
Speaker 2: other and said, wait a minute. As Liz Brown turned around, honest,

99
00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:56,920
Speaker 2: she's going to support us on constitutional carry. She's been

100
00:06:57,040 --> 00:06:59,600
Speaker 2: our biggest opposition. She'd been the biggest hurdle we had

101
00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:01,800
Speaker 2: to get over over for years and years and years

102
00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:04,760
Speaker 2: now suddenly she's a proponent. She has her own bill.

103
00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:11,040
Speaker 2: She scheduled her own bill for a hearing. We said, okay,

104
00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:13,480
Speaker 2: we got movement. We finally got hearing on a constitutional

105
00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:16,040
Speaker 2: carry bill. It wasn't the bill we necessarily wanted, but

106
00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:18,720
Speaker 2: it was one we could work from, but potentially men

107
00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:23,480
Speaker 2: potentially amend make a better bill. So we got all enthused.

108
00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:25,840
Speaker 2: A lot of us showed up, had our shoes shine,

109
00:07:25,880 --> 00:07:28,920
Speaker 2: had our suits on, and we testified in favor of

110
00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:31,120
Speaker 2: Liz Brown's own bill. And you know, as chairman of

111
00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:33,080
Speaker 2: the committee. And I will never forget this. I remember

112
00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:36,520
Speaker 2: just sitting there in that committee room in the basement,

113
00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:41,720
Speaker 2: well it's a floor number one, but it's the basement

114
00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:47,360
Speaker 2: of the Indiana General Assembly of the State House. And

115
00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:50,800
Speaker 2: I remember sitting there with my mouth agape watching her

116
00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:53,400
Speaker 2: conduct this hearing. Because everybody who got up to testify

117
00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:57,240
Speaker 2: in favor of her bill that she offered, she argued with,

118
00:07:57,960 --> 00:08:00,920
Speaker 2: she cross examined people off the street who just came in,

119
00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:03,320
Speaker 2: and we were talking about John Q. Public. Look, I'm

120
00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:06,320
Speaker 2: an activist, I'm a lawyer. I have a talk show

121
00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:09,400
Speaker 2: where I advocate for Second Amendment rights. I'm a big boy,

122
00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:12,480
Speaker 2: I will debate you all day long. You want to

123
00:08:12,480 --> 00:08:14,360
Speaker 2: come at me, you want to make it to make

124
00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:16,760
Speaker 2: it a legal discussion. Hey, I'm here for it. That's

125
00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:20,520
Speaker 2: why I'm there. But we had people just off the

126
00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:23,320
Speaker 2: street taking time out of their day to come in

127
00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:26,160
Speaker 2: and say they support a constitutional carrey and she's interrogating

128
00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:31,200
Speaker 2: them on legal precedent that dinner didn't support their position.

129
00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:39,400
Speaker 2: It was unbelievable. And and as I watched this, it

130
00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:42,320
Speaker 2: made it suddenly made it very clear. She offered her

131
00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:47,720
Speaker 2: own bill for the sole purpose of shooting it down.

132
00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:49,560
Speaker 2: She wanted to say, well, I had my own bill

133
00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:52,640
Speaker 2: on constitutional carry, how much could I possibly oppose the

134
00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:57,400
Speaker 2: second Amendment? It was a farce. It was a fraud.

135
00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:04,080
Speaker 2: It was an orchestra by one Liz Brown there in

136
00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:08,160
Speaker 2: her own committee. I've never seen anything like it. She

137
00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:11,440
Speaker 2: openly ridiculed people who got up to support a bill

138
00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:15,480
Speaker 2: that she offered. Why because she offered it not for

139
00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:20,240
Speaker 2: legitimate purposes. She offered it as a shield against accountability

140
00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:23,240
Speaker 2: for having opposed constitutional carry all those years. Well, then

141
00:09:24,880 --> 00:09:27,479
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty two, the year we finally got constitutional

142
00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:31,760
Speaker 2: carry passed, how did that go? She did not want

143
00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:34,640
Speaker 2: to hear the bill. Senate leadership told her to hear

144
00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:37,800
Speaker 2: the bill, and I give Rod Bray a lot of

145
00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:40,480
Speaker 2: credit for this. Senate leadership said no, you're going to

146
00:09:40,559 --> 00:09:45,440
Speaker 2: have a hearing. So we had a hearing, and this

147
00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:50,640
Speaker 2: hearing went on. My recollection is ten twelve hours. It

148
00:09:50,679 --> 00:09:55,599
Speaker 2: went at late late, late at night, and it was contentious,

149
00:09:57,480 --> 00:09:59,280
Speaker 2: and we had law enforcement that were for it, We

150
00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:02,199
Speaker 2: had law enforcem that was against it. We had citizens

151
00:10:02,240 --> 00:10:04,840
Speaker 2: for it, citizens against it, and people lined up and

152
00:10:04,880 --> 00:10:07,560
Speaker 2: people testified, and I was one of the ones who testified.

153
00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:09,760
Speaker 2: And it went on for a really long time, and

154
00:10:09,800 --> 00:10:11,520
Speaker 2: it looked like we were going to get it done.

155
00:10:11,520 --> 00:10:15,320
Speaker 2: We had the votes to get it done. And then

156
00:10:15,360 --> 00:10:20,360
Speaker 2: who offered an amendment that basically stripped true constitutional carry

157
00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:25,680
Speaker 2: out of the bill to once again foil our efforts

158
00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:27,920
Speaker 2: now in our tenth year of trying to get constitutional

159
00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:32,520
Speaker 2: carry passed. Liz Brown did that. Liz Brown did that.

160
00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:36,880
Speaker 2: Liz Brown gutted it and defeated it in her own

161
00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:41,920
Speaker 2: damn committee. She dug her heels in. She was not

162
00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:44,280
Speaker 2: going to let us get this done, not in her committee,

163
00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:50,240
Speaker 2: by god. Well what happened then? Well, again we had

164
00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:53,480
Speaker 2: Senate leadership. And this is where Senator Rod Bray, who

165
00:10:53,559 --> 00:10:56,679
Speaker 2: had not always been on our side on this issue,

166
00:10:57,040 --> 00:10:58,920
Speaker 2: he stepped up and said, nope, this is the year

167
00:10:58,960 --> 00:11:00,880
Speaker 2: it gets a vote on the floor. They had to

168
00:11:00,880 --> 00:11:02,760
Speaker 2: do it. It's called a stripping insert. They had to

169
00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:05,400
Speaker 2: take a different bill, and this is just to get

170
00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:09,480
Speaker 2: around Liz Brown. This is just to get around Liz Brown.

171
00:11:09,559 --> 00:11:13,200
Speaker 2: Liz Brown was going to single handedly defeat constitutional carry

172
00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:16,240
Speaker 2: again in twenty twenty two, after ten years of fighting

173
00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:19,920
Speaker 2: on this issue. She was personally individually going to defeat

174
00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:23,280
Speaker 2: constitutional carry again. Senate leadership said, nope, this is the

175
00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:26,360
Speaker 2: year it gets a vote. They took a different bill

176
00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:31,480
Speaker 2: that had survived committee. They took the entire contents of

177
00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:34,680
Speaker 2: that out, put constitutional carry in it, and then gave

178
00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:36,880
Speaker 2: it a vote on the floor just to get around

179
00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:41,800
Speaker 2: Liz Brown. And that's when we got it done. Because

180
00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:43,720
Speaker 2: it was different than when it had originally been passed,

181
00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:49,079
Speaker 2: it had to go into committee, and once it did, boom,

182
00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:51,640
Speaker 2: it was reconciled, it was passed on the floor in

183
00:11:51,679 --> 00:11:54,880
Speaker 2: the Senate. Governor holcm signed it, and now it's the

184
00:11:54,920 --> 00:11:57,959
Speaker 2: law of Indiana. But that was in spite of Liz Brown.

185
00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:00,880
Speaker 2: In spite of Liz Brown being our chief opponent, she's

186
00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:03,520
Speaker 2: a Republican for crying out loud, and she was our

187
00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:06,920
Speaker 2: number one opponent on constitutional carry for year after year

188
00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:11,080
Speaker 2: after year, including the year we got it passed. Is

189
00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:13,880
Speaker 2: that okay? Is that okay to campaign on the Second Amendment?

190
00:12:14,080 --> 00:12:17,160
Speaker 2: Is it okay to fundraise on the Second Amendment? Is

191
00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:20,559
Speaker 2: it okay to sing the praises of the Second Amendment

192
00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:23,160
Speaker 2: and promise support for the Second Amendment and then stab

193
00:12:23,240 --> 00:12:25,480
Speaker 2: us in the back when it comes to what goes

194
00:12:25,520 --> 00:12:28,120
Speaker 2: on in her committee? Well you notice she's not on

195
00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:30,440
Speaker 2: that committee. Well excuse me, she's not chair of that

196
00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:34,600
Speaker 2: committee anymore. And my personal belief is because it had

197
00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:36,920
Speaker 2: a lot to do with how badly she stabbed us

198
00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:39,920
Speaker 2: in the back. But she's still a Senator, she still

199
00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:43,000
Speaker 2: gets a vote, and she's still one of the rhinos

200
00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:45,840
Speaker 2: that can stand in our way on every two Way

201
00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:48,360
Speaker 2: related bill going forward. And that's why I'm very excited

202
00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:50,800
Speaker 2: we come back. We're going to have Darren Vote, who's

203
00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:54,000
Speaker 2: running against Liz Brown in the primary, and he's a

204
00:12:54,040 --> 00:12:57,199
Speaker 2: true Second Amendment supporter. He has the endorsement not only

205
00:12:57,240 --> 00:13:01,120
Speaker 2: of the National Rifle Association, but the Indiana State Rifle

206
00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:03,679
Speaker 2: and Pistol Association, and as he's going to hear in

207
00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:06,600
Speaker 2: just a minute, the two way project, he's got all

208
00:13:06,640 --> 00:13:09,480
Speaker 2: of our support and our enthusiastic support. You're gonna hear

209
00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:11,480
Speaker 2: from Darren here in just a moment. Right now, we're

210
00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:13,240
Speaker 2: taking a break. This is Guy Ralford on The Gun

211
00:13:13,240 --> 00:13:15,400
Speaker 2: Guy Show on ninety three WYBC.

212
00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:33,160
Speaker 1: I've got a gun guy, Guy Ralfred on ninety three WYBC, And.

213
00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:34,920
Speaker 2: Welcome back on Guy Ralford on The Gun Guy Show

214
00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:37,080
Speaker 2: on ninety three WIBC. And I'll tell you what I'm

215
00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:41,679
Speaker 2: really excited to bring into the show. And welcome to WIBC,

216
00:13:41,880 --> 00:13:45,000
Speaker 2: Darren vote. Darren, thanks so much for joining us.

217
00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:46,280
Speaker 3: I appreciate you having me.

218
00:13:46,280 --> 00:13:48,800
Speaker 2: Guys, absolutely so. I don't know if you heard any

219
00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:52,760
Speaker 2: of my rant just now about but Liz and I

220
00:13:52,800 --> 00:13:56,240
Speaker 2: have a history and she didn't much like me and

221
00:13:57,040 --> 00:14:01,240
Speaker 2: I don't care much for her. And I'm really excited

222
00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:04,480
Speaker 2: that we have such a quality candidate running against Liz

223
00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:10,360
Speaker 2: in the primary this year. What brought you into that race, Darren?

224
00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:12,760
Speaker 3: Well, before I get into that, let me just tell

225
00:14:12,760 --> 00:14:13,000
Speaker 3: you this.

226
00:14:13,040 --> 00:14:15,800
Speaker 4: It's kind of funny that you mentioned that she's a

227
00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:19,120
Speaker 4: big anti two a person. But every mailing that she

228
00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:21,120
Speaker 4: gets on every mailing, but a lot of the mailing

229
00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:24,480
Speaker 4: she puts she's an NRA member, yeah on her mayriorae,

230
00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:27,600
Speaker 4: which is really frustrating because obviously she's done nothing really

231
00:14:27,640 --> 00:14:32,080
Speaker 4: to support Constitual Carrier the Second Amendment. So it's really frustrating,

232
00:14:32,120 --> 00:14:33,920
Speaker 4: that's for sure. And that's one of the reasons, you

233
00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:35,920
Speaker 4: know why I got into this race. I mean I

234
00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:38,280
Speaker 4: looked at you know, I ran for this seat back

235
00:14:38,280 --> 00:14:41,400
Speaker 4: in twenty fourteen when there was four of us running

236
00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:44,160
Speaker 4: for that seat and loss to Liz, and she said

237
00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:46,960
Speaker 4: that she was going to serve two terms, and you know,

238
00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:50,600
Speaker 4: you made that pledge the constituents, and you know this

239
00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:54,160
Speaker 4: is turn number four. So that's reason number two. And

240
00:14:54,200 --> 00:14:58,120
Speaker 4: then the reason that really got me the most excited

241
00:14:58,160 --> 00:15:00,320
Speaker 4: to run against her with the fact that she voted

242
00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:02,480
Speaker 4: to allow boys to play in girls' sports.

243
00:15:02,840 --> 00:15:05,480
Speaker 3: You know has a daughter. I have a six year

244
00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:06,040
Speaker 3: old daughter.

245
00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:09,920
Speaker 4: I would never allow a boy to be in the

246
00:15:09,920 --> 00:15:13,400
Speaker 4: girl's bathroom or girls locker room or anything.

247
00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:13,720
Speaker 3: Like that at all.

248
00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:15,160
Speaker 4: And so I started looking at a record and I said,

249
00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:16,720
Speaker 4: you know what, it's time for her to have a

250
00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:19,880
Speaker 4: challenge because she talks like a Republican but doesn't vote

251
00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:21,720
Speaker 4: like it at all in certain areas. So it was

252
00:15:21,720 --> 00:15:23,840
Speaker 4: time for me to take her on. And you know,

253
00:15:23,880 --> 00:15:25,200
Speaker 4: I like where we're at right now in the race.

254
00:15:25,680 --> 00:15:29,160
Speaker 2: Well I'm excited about it. And you didn't actually know

255
00:15:29,240 --> 00:15:31,320
Speaker 2: you had the endorsement of the two A Project until

256
00:15:31,400 --> 00:15:34,160
Speaker 2: right now, but I'm pleased to announce that and I'll

257
00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:37,600
Speaker 2: give you some documentation on that here over the weekend.

258
00:15:37,760 --> 00:15:41,400
Speaker 2: But Nrace supports you. Indian Strict Rifle and Pistol Association

259
00:15:41,880 --> 00:15:45,080
Speaker 2: supports you, as does the two A Project. Those are

260
00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:48,240
Speaker 2: the voices on Second Amendment rights here in Indiana, and

261
00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:51,800
Speaker 2: so you ran the table on that, and congratulations on that.

262
00:15:52,560 --> 00:15:54,520
Speaker 3: Well, thank you. I greatly appreciate it. It means a lot,

263
00:15:54,560 --> 00:15:56,720
Speaker 3: it really does. We need to have folks in the.

264
00:15:56,640 --> 00:15:58,920
Speaker 4: State House that are fighting for our constitutional rights on

265
00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:01,240
Speaker 4: a regular basis, and that's what plan to do when

266
00:16:01,240 --> 00:16:01,920
Speaker 4: I'm down there.

267
00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:05,720
Speaker 2: So as you go through this campaign, and you know

268
00:16:05,760 --> 00:16:10,240
Speaker 2: you you posted on Twitter or x here earlier today,

269
00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:14,360
Speaker 2: there's something I just agreed with completely and that's why

270
00:16:14,360 --> 00:16:18,200
Speaker 2: I reposted it. You said elections are about differences, and

271
00:16:18,560 --> 00:16:22,680
Speaker 2: you know that's such a succinct way of phrasing something

272
00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:25,040
Speaker 2: I felt for a really long time. And I and

273
00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:28,640
Speaker 2: then I don't think enough candidates spend time talking about

274
00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:32,600
Speaker 2: you know, everybody wants to talk about themselves, and occasionally

275
00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:36,280
Speaker 2: they'll attack their opponent, or some candidates spend all their

276
00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:39,080
Speaker 2: time attacking their opponent. But in my mind, it's about

277
00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:43,000
Speaker 2: a comparison. It's about a difference, and that opening line

278
00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:47,120
Speaker 2: in your post on Twitter today, I thought just hit

279
00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:50,360
Speaker 2: that squarely on the target. It's about differences. And so

280
00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:53,440
Speaker 2: when people say, all right, Darren vote. I may have

281
00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:57,080
Speaker 2: some issues with Liz Brown. There may be some things

282
00:16:57,120 --> 00:17:00,240
Speaker 2: I agree with her. She's pro life, for instance. Okay,

283
00:17:01,280 --> 00:17:03,720
Speaker 2: but what are the differences that you want to highlight

284
00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:06,280
Speaker 2: that make people want to move to your camp and

285
00:17:06,359 --> 00:17:07,440
Speaker 2: vote for Darren Vote.

286
00:17:08,359 --> 00:17:10,640
Speaker 4: Well, let me first address that pro life. You're right,

287
00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:12,359
Speaker 4: she is a pro life person. But I'll tell you

288
00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:14,720
Speaker 4: what I actually I'm one hundred percent pro life, but

289
00:17:14,760 --> 00:17:18,120
Speaker 4: I live that out. I've got four kids my wife

290
00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:21,600
Speaker 4: and I do, and three of those kids have been adopted,

291
00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:23,680
Speaker 4: So it's not something that I just say at the

292
00:17:23,720 --> 00:17:28,159
Speaker 4: campaign slogan, but I actually lived that pro life out,

293
00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:29,679
Speaker 4: and you know, I knew I was never going to

294
00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:32,000
Speaker 4: get pro Life endorsement. Liz has been with them for

295
00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:35,040
Speaker 4: a long time and she has members of her inner

296
00:17:35,080 --> 00:17:37,240
Speaker 4: circle that are on the polical Action committees at the

297
00:17:37,280 --> 00:17:38,800
Speaker 4: state and at the local level. So I knew that

298
00:17:38,840 --> 00:17:40,679
Speaker 4: was never going to happen. But it doesn't change my

299
00:17:40,760 --> 00:17:43,560
Speaker 4: stance on pro life at all. But the big difference

300
00:17:43,560 --> 00:17:46,399
Speaker 4: between her and I is I'm a business guy. You know,

301
00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:49,160
Speaker 4: I know what it's like to write the front side

302
00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:51,800
Speaker 4: of a check. I've been an entrepreneur all my life,

303
00:17:51,800 --> 00:17:53,720
Speaker 4: from starting out as a young kid with a paper

304
00:17:53,800 --> 00:17:56,240
Speaker 4: route and working for my parents' don't shop and then

305
00:17:56,280 --> 00:17:58,480
Speaker 4: opening my own business and doing that for the last

306
00:17:58,560 --> 00:18:02,679
Speaker 4: thirty years, and you know, selling businesses and commercial real estate,

307
00:18:02,760 --> 00:18:06,840
Speaker 4: and currently in business with my son who Nowlan's Donut

308
00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:09,000
Speaker 4: shops with me and takes care and run those. But

309
00:18:09,280 --> 00:18:12,560
Speaker 4: I have a business background. No offense, but we don't

310
00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:15,080
Speaker 4: need as many attorneys as we have down at the state.

311
00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:19,120
Speaker 3: As yeah, okay, I just have.

312
00:18:19,080 --> 00:18:22,880
Speaker 2: To do that as an attorney. No offense taken right.

313
00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:25,160
Speaker 4: Well, you know, I've got a couple of good attorneyss,

314
00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:28,000
Speaker 4: but I'll save those throughout the year, you know, but

315
00:18:28,280 --> 00:18:30,080
Speaker 4: I look at things differently. I look at ways to

316
00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:34,159
Speaker 4: find things. Where can we find waste fraud and abuse

317
00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:37,160
Speaker 4: and government? You know, I announced this year the great

318
00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:39,640
Speaker 4: Who's Your Audit? Where we take a look at you know,

319
00:18:39,960 --> 00:18:43,760
Speaker 4: can we find waste fraud and abuse using AI fraud detection?

320
00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:46,960
Speaker 4: You know, there's there's things like, you know, if we'd

321
00:18:47,040 --> 00:18:50,359
Speaker 4: had my AI fraud detection, the recent announcements about the

322
00:18:50,760 --> 00:18:53,560
Speaker 4: six hundred and fifty dollars an hour autism, you know,

323
00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:55,760
Speaker 4: someone's billing the state of Indiana six hundred and fix

324
00:18:55,760 --> 00:18:58,000
Speaker 4: thousand hours for as it wouldn't happened because there have

325
00:18:58,080 --> 00:19:00,440
Speaker 4: been triggers in place that said, hey, wait a minute,

326
00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:01,560
Speaker 4: this doesn't look right.

327
00:19:01,920 --> 00:19:03,240
Speaker 3: I mean, shi can.

328
00:19:03,119 --> 00:19:05,200
Speaker 4: Fifty dollars an hour doesn't make sense, It's not within

329
00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:07,199
Speaker 4: the norm. And then that that doesn't allow us, that

330
00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:09,080
Speaker 4: already allows people to come in and take a look

331
00:19:09,119 --> 00:19:11,560
Speaker 4: at it and say, wait a minute, there's some fraud

332
00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:13,840
Speaker 4: or abuse or something going on here. Those are the

333
00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:16,240
Speaker 4: kind of business principles where I'm different and I'm going

334
00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:19,280
Speaker 4: to find ways to make things happen within the state House,

335
00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:21,760
Speaker 4: and I know how to work with people. You talk

336
00:19:21,840 --> 00:19:25,680
Speaker 4: about Liz being taken off the chair of the Judiciary Committee,

337
00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:27,800
Speaker 4: and there was a reason for that. That's because you know,

338
00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:29,680
Speaker 4: she doesn't know how to work with people, right. She

339
00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:33,680
Speaker 4: called her, she called her, her her colleagues cowards publicly.

340
00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:36,040
Speaker 4: Now that doesn't get you anywhere. All that doesn't get

341
00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:38,080
Speaker 4: you removed from the chair. And she wants to claim

342
00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:42,600
Speaker 4: it's redistricting that that got her that, but the person

343
00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:45,359
Speaker 4: that replaced her is Chare voted for redistrict just like

344
00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:47,520
Speaker 4: she did. So you know, it's it's a lot.

345
00:19:47,359 --> 00:19:49,880
Speaker 3: Of smoking mirrors. She she tries to say one thing

346
00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:50,480
Speaker 3: and do another.

347
00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:53,120
Speaker 4: We've kind of labeled them both ways brown because she's

348
00:19:53,119 --> 00:19:56,080
Speaker 4: taken says one thing and does completely the opposite. So

349
00:19:56,240 --> 00:19:57,680
Speaker 4: you're gonna find that I'm gonna do what I say

350
00:19:57,720 --> 00:19:59,879
Speaker 4: I'm gonna do and and I'm not.

351
00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:02,080
Speaker 3: So I'll say.

352
00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:04,960
Speaker 4: Self confidence to use the right word, I guess is

353
00:20:05,359 --> 00:20:07,080
Speaker 4: to know that I'm not the expert in every field.

354
00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:09,399
Speaker 4: I'm not, but I'm going to go to the experts

355
00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:11,280
Speaker 4: in the field where I don't have a depth and

356
00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:14,640
Speaker 4: depthnology and talk to them and make sure I'm understanding

357
00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:17,520
Speaker 4: the issue and the size and put my conservative leadership

358
00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:20,240
Speaker 4: skill to work to convince those around me to come

359
00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:21,320
Speaker 4: to conservative side of the table.

360
00:20:22,359 --> 00:20:24,119
Speaker 2: Well, you know, that makes so much sense to me.

361
00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:25,760
Speaker 2: And you know, and I'm one of those guys when

362
00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:29,280
Speaker 2: it comes to the Second Amendment issues. There are a

363
00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:33,160
Speaker 2: number of legislators now and it's a long list I'm

364
00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:36,359
Speaker 2: proud to say, where they have an issue on the

365
00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:38,920
Speaker 2: Second Amendment or they're trying to decide how they want

366
00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:42,040
Speaker 2: to go forward on a legislative initiative that deals with

367
00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:43,719
Speaker 2: Second Amendment. Right, So a lot of people come to

368
00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:45,600
Speaker 2: me and say, hey, guy, how could we approach this?

369
00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:47,800
Speaker 2: You have any ideas on how to write this? You know,

370
00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:49,560
Speaker 2: what do you think we ought to be focusing on

371
00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:53,000
Speaker 2: this year? And so listen, I not only want to

372
00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:55,560
Speaker 2: see you elected, Darren, but I'd love to be one

373
00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:57,760
Speaker 2: of the guys that can work with you, particularly on

374
00:20:57,800 --> 00:21:01,320
Speaker 2: Second Amendment issues, to say, hey, here's where our priorities

375
00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:02,960
Speaker 2: ought to be, here's where our focus ought to be.

376
00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:07,480
Speaker 4: Absolutely absolutely that's right. You know, when when the legislators

377
00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:10,040
Speaker 4: go down to Indianapolis and they think they know everything,

378
00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:13,880
Speaker 4: that's the problem. Or they get so confident in their power, right,

379
00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:16,600
Speaker 4: you know, you start talking through the fact that she's

380
00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:18,520
Speaker 4: going to serve two terms and now she's running for

381
00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:21,280
Speaker 4: a fourth term. To me, that's all about power. We've

382
00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:25,800
Speaker 4: got to hold our elected officials accountable. If you say something,

383
00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:28,440
Speaker 4: then do that. In this case, that's why I'm running.

384
00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:30,680
Speaker 4: And we've got you know, we get the word out

385
00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:32,679
Speaker 4: and this race is ours to win. I've got you know,

386
00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:35,760
Speaker 4: Senator Banks is behind me. A g Rakeda is behind me.

387
00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:39,199
Speaker 4: You know, State Trader Daniel Elizin Ellie's behind me. There

388
00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:40,840
Speaker 4: are a lot of people who would love to be

389
00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:43,800
Speaker 4: behind me and are getting behind me to make this happen,

390
00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:46,200
Speaker 4: to make that this u this is the last session

391
00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:46,840
Speaker 4: that she just had.

392
00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:50,080
Speaker 2: You know, you mentioned a trained general todder Okeda, and

393
00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:52,399
Speaker 2: I've worked with him on a number of issues as well,

394
00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:56,720
Speaker 2: and I've always worked incredibly well with him. But I

395
00:21:57,560 --> 00:22:01,400
Speaker 2: would I would speculate, not even strong enough a word.

396
00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:04,920
Speaker 2: I am relatively sure that one of the reasons that

397
00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:10,680
Speaker 2: Attorney General Keita is backing you is because of Liz

398
00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:15,360
Speaker 2: Brown's position on immigration bills that she did not support

399
00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:20,159
Speaker 2: that the Attorney General strongly did. And how do you

400
00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:23,080
Speaker 2: distinguish yourself on immigration from Liz Brown?

401
00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:27,520
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, I let's just say this. The only reason,

402
00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:29,720
Speaker 3: in my opinion, the only reason.

403
00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:32,400
Speaker 4: She supported immigration this year is because I announced him

404
00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:34,720
Speaker 4: in July that I was going to run against her.

405
00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:37,040
Speaker 4: And what does she need to do. She needed to

406
00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:40,600
Speaker 4: be strong and be aligned more so with President Trump.

407
00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:43,359
Speaker 4: And she's never been aligned with President Trump on many issues,

408
00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:45,880
Speaker 4: and immigration was once. She wasn't alied with him until

409
00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:47,320
Speaker 4: I ran.

410
00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:48,680
Speaker 3: Because last year she blocked the bill.

411
00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:51,520
Speaker 4: She said she didn't have time to hear the bill

412
00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:54,159
Speaker 4: in the week left in session, and she called no

413
00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:56,760
Speaker 4: hearings for her committee. And then this year when she

414
00:22:56,800 --> 00:22:59,440
Speaker 4: created her own Fairness Act, you know that she tried

415
00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:02,080
Speaker 4: to say with the best bill out there and the

416
00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:04,800
Speaker 4: gold standards what she's been calling up here in our area. Well,

417
00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:07,439
Speaker 4: the only reason that became a good bill is because

418
00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:10,200
Speaker 4: Cdie Prescott on the House side, along with the Age,

419
00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:13,280
Speaker 4: inserted all the good language from the bill the prior

420
00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:15,159
Speaker 4: year that she she blocked, so.

421
00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:18,280
Speaker 2: Exactly, and that's that both ways.

422
00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:20,359
Speaker 4: Brown, you know, I didn't like it last year and

423
00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:23,800
Speaker 4: now to vote for it. So it's a consistent theme

424
00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:26,880
Speaker 4: that she says one thing does another, or is it's

425
00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:28,879
Speaker 4: not my way, We're not going to do this. And

426
00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:32,120
Speaker 4: that's I'm not that kind of person. I'm gonna I'm

427
00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:34,040
Speaker 4: going to work with people to get things done, especially

428
00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:36,160
Speaker 4: on good legislation. I'm not going to wait another year

429
00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:37,120
Speaker 4: to get it done.

430
00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:38,760
Speaker 3: Let's get the stuff done now.

431
00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:41,600
Speaker 2: You know, I don't know if you've observed this, but

432
00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:44,919
Speaker 2: and listen, you have you have political experience in your

433
00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:47,560
Speaker 2: background on a city council for a number of years.

434
00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:50,320
Speaker 2: But you know, I spent a lot of time over

435
00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:52,840
Speaker 2: at the State House during the session every year, and

436
00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:55,400
Speaker 2: and and and a lot of time in committee and

437
00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:59,240
Speaker 2: on the floor of each chamber during votes. And one

438
00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:03,040
Speaker 2: thing that's always disappointing to me is that we seem

439
00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:06,400
Speaker 2: on conservative issues, and obviously my focus is Second Amendment,

440
00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:10,359
Speaker 2: but on those issues, we seem to have a straight

441
00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:14,280
Speaker 2: path path forward through the House, and we get things

442
00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:16,480
Speaker 2: done in the House year after year. We got constitutional

443
00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:19,800
Speaker 2: carry passed several years in a row. We had church carry,

444
00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:22,480
Speaker 2: which is such an important bill. We finally got done

445
00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:25,119
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty or twenty nineteen, but it took way

446
00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:27,439
Speaker 2: too many years. We would get things done in the

447
00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:31,240
Speaker 2: House and for some reason, things would go over to

448
00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:33,800
Speaker 2: the Senate and they would block that we couldn't get

449
00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:37,679
Speaker 2: them out of committee, or they got blocked some other way.

450
00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:40,679
Speaker 2: They go into the deep dark hole, which is the

451
00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:43,760
Speaker 2: caucus hearing, and I've got a caucus meeting, and I've

452
00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:47,639
Speaker 2: got a major pet peeve about this. They disappear in

453
00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:51,479
Speaker 2: the Senate Republican caucus and suddenly they'd come out of

454
00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:53,800
Speaker 2: that caucus meeting and a bill would be dead with

455
00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:58,479
Speaker 2: no vote going forward. And I've never understood why there

456
00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:02,840
Speaker 2: seems to be such a dramatic difference between there being

457
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:06,560
Speaker 2: being many more true Conservatives and Republicans in the House

458
00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:09,320
Speaker 2: than there are in the Senate. And the word rhino

459
00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:13,359
Speaker 2: gets so overused, and it's to extend. It's annoying, but

460
00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:16,200
Speaker 2: quite frankly, it really applies. Liz Brown is one, and

461
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:18,720
Speaker 2: there's many more I could name right now top of

462
00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:21,600
Speaker 2: my head in the Senate. And that's why I get

463
00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:25,560
Speaker 2: excited when we have someone I can I perceive to

464
00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:28,600
Speaker 2: be a true conservative like you running. But have you

465
00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:31,200
Speaker 2: noticed that, and do you have any explanation or theory

466
00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:33,040
Speaker 2: as to why we run into that in the Senate

467
00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:34,120
Speaker 2: year after year after year.

468
00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:37,800
Speaker 4: You know, I'm not down there, so I really guess

469
00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:38,840
Speaker 4: I can't answer.

470
00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:40,560
Speaker 3: That, but I can tell you this. You know, what

471
00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:41,240
Speaker 3: I will.

472
00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:43,679
Speaker 4: Do is bring my leadership style. You know, you mentioned

473
00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:45,679
Speaker 4: I was on actual county council, not city council, for

474
00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:49,040
Speaker 4: twelve years, and I served six of those twelve years

475
00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:51,880
Speaker 4: as president of council, which tells you that I've got

476
00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:55,520
Speaker 4: leadership skills to bring people together to come to consensus.

477
00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:57,960
Speaker 4: And you know, that's that's really what I plan to

478
00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:01,119
Speaker 4: do down there is get these conservative ideas, conservative thoughts,

479
00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:04,040
Speaker 4: figure out ways to make sure that that caucus can

480
00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:06,480
Speaker 4: come up and not block the things that the House

481
00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:08,320
Speaker 4: is done on the conservative side of the issues.

482
00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:10,040
Speaker 3: And then that's really where I think.

483
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:12,080
Speaker 4: All shine the most is in that caucus room where

484
00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:14,959
Speaker 4: I can talk to people and build that relationship up

485
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:18,000
Speaker 4: so there's that trust and and not through through through

486
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:20,240
Speaker 4: throwing daggers at people. You know, you go back to

487
00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:22,800
Speaker 4: the to the testimony you talked about in your show earlier,

488
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,360
Speaker 4: that the nine hours on the two A when, yeah,

489
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:27,879
Speaker 4: the concerts you know I listened to. I've listened to

490
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:30,800
Speaker 4: most of that and and I tell you, the way

491
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:33,480
Speaker 4: you treat people is what you get. And I listened

492
00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:36,719
Speaker 4: to the treatment that those that were speaking in favor

493
00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:39,080
Speaker 4: of were by the chair and they were treated terribly

494
00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:41,280
Speaker 4: compared to those that were speaking against the bill.

495
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:43,120
Speaker 3: And you'll never see me do that. You know, I'm

496
00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:43,359
Speaker 3: going to.

497
00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:44,960
Speaker 4: Treat everybody, even if we're on the wrong side of

498
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:46,280
Speaker 4: the issue. You know, I'm going to treat you with

499
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:48,399
Speaker 4: dignity and respect so that we can build a relationship

500
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:50,439
Speaker 4: so that when I need to have you vote on

501
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:52,520
Speaker 4: a conservative issue, you'll be on my side.

502
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:55,280
Speaker 2: Well, listen, we've got a little along on this segment,

503
00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:58,040
Speaker 2: but listen, Darren Vote, thanks so much for joining us.

504
00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:01,280
Speaker 2: Any any last words on you want voters to know

505
00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:04,600
Speaker 2: about Darren Vote versus Liz Brown in the primary coming up.

506
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:06,520
Speaker 4: You know what best thing to do? We go to

507
00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:09,960
Speaker 4: vote for Indiana. That's VOGT for Indiana. Doing it to

508
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:11,680
Speaker 4: my campaign, that'd be the best things we can get

509
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:12,280
Speaker 4: this message out.

510
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:15,840
Speaker 2: Hey, thanks so much, Darren Vote. We're rooting for you.

511
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:18,720
Speaker 2: We really need you in the Indiana Senate. And best

512
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:20,480
Speaker 2: of luck, and thanks so much for joining us here

513
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:21,240
Speaker 2: on the Gun Guy Show.

514
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:23,120
Speaker 3: Thanks guys, appreciate it every night.

515
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:25,520
Speaker 2: All right, that's it right now, we're taking a break.

516
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:27,680
Speaker 2: We'll be right Back. This is Guy Ralford on ninety

517
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:28,720
Speaker 2: three WYBC