Speaker 1: The France Per Second Podcast. Welcome to the Frans per
Speaker 1: second Podcast. Anniversary of Usual Suspects. Uh, today I have
Speaker 1: with me Kennethy, Inch, Mike and Ron. It's good. What
Speaker 1: what anniversary year are we on for this? That's a
Speaker 1: really good question.
Speaker 2: Thy god, dang, nineteen y five. I think it's.
Speaker 1: Holy moldy, man, that's crazy. I saw Riding Dirty came
Speaker 1: out thirty years ago. I was like, oh no, really, yes,
Speaker 1: that was yeah, twenty seven years. I haven't made him
Speaker 1: to bring have a conversation about all that on his mice.
Speaker 1: Long shit, I got it in my notes.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 1: But after well, today we're gonna have a conversation about
Speaker 1: the usual Suspects.
Speaker 2: Mike, was this your first time seeing this?
Speaker 1: And I thought you said that because it was something
Speaker 1: we was talking about you with him? What I thought
Speaker 1: we were talking about something and we was like, don't
Speaker 1: ruin the ending. I thought we avoided. You was talking
Speaker 1: about the ending. I might have said that, but not
Speaker 1: for myself, just for other people.
Speaker 2: Got you. But no, I've definitely seen this movie. Okay,
Speaker 2: how was it revisited? It was fine.
Speaker 3: This is one of those movies that I don't have
Speaker 3: a desire to rewatch because once.
Speaker 2: You know the twist, it's like, I don't care about
Speaker 2: the rest of this.
Speaker 3: Yes, I do think it's an incredible film, but it's
Speaker 3: only an incredible film the first time you watch it, yes,
Speaker 3: or maybe the second time, because then you can go back,
Speaker 3: like you can look yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: But third time I was like, all right, cool, Rob,
Speaker 1: I will say you same man. It's definitely one of
Speaker 1: them films that shoots itself in the foot, like because
Speaker 1: once you've seen it, you can't unsee it, you know,
Speaker 1: and you just keep thinking about, oh man, this motherfucker
Speaker 1: playing them the whole time, and it's like damn, it
Speaker 1: kind of ruins the.
Speaker 2: Movie for you.
Speaker 1: And like even after all these years and I haven't
Speaker 1: been I haven't went back and watched it, I still
Speaker 1: it's still was like just I couldn't get it out
Speaker 1: of my head. I keep I kept on the end,
Speaker 1: like and that and that the movie is that that's.
Speaker 2: The allure of the movie, Like it's the end.
Speaker 1: So it was hard to kind of rewatch this and
Speaker 1: enjoy it.
Speaker 2: Honestly, I could not.
Speaker 1: And I just could not get into it because I
Speaker 1: already knew what what was gonna happen.
Speaker 2: Did you have a similar experience, Well, we all look alike,
Speaker 2: Oh it was him, it was.
Speaker 1: Oh that's what it was. That's what it was.
Speaker 2: A quiet say nothing. He's been around his friend too long,
Speaker 2: That's what it is. Christ So I found this.
Speaker 1: Really interesting is that in the tracker that I used
Speaker 1: to watch, the Trap stuff I watched there was a
Speaker 1: play for this in twenty twenty one, but I did
Speaker 1: not remember.
Speaker 2: I still still was like watching it for the first time. So, but.
Speaker 1: I do agree with what they're saying because when I'm
Speaker 1: when I'm watching it, I'm like, this is the movie
Speaker 1: everybody like like, like what just white people want to
Speaker 1: steal some shit and and all this other shit Like
Speaker 1: I don't, I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't get it.
Speaker 1: And I knew there was a twist, so you know,
Speaker 1: you're kind of watching it, but after a while you'll
Speaker 1: be like.
Speaker 2: Okay, I think I see what's going on.
Speaker 1: You know, So I really wish I didn't kind of
Speaker 1: because y'all are y'all already kind of said that there
Speaker 1: was a twist.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but yeah, how would you still know that though? Right?
Speaker 1: Because he's did you guess there's a couple of things
Speaker 1: that that allowed me to do some clues. One there's
Speaker 1: a rapper that goes by the name Verbal Kent, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, why would you pick the name Verbal Kent
Speaker 1: the rappers?
Speaker 2: You know, why would he pick that name?
Speaker 1: And then you guys said that there's a twist in
Speaker 1: the movie that when we did it, so I've heard
Speaker 1: the name for you're too smart. That's why I'll be
Speaker 1: like watch trailers and ship because I feel like, if
Speaker 1: I see the game, yeah, if I if I would
Speaker 1: have had the same experience watching the first time, like y'all,
Speaker 1: you know, I seriously I would have would have done that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you were kind of indirectly spoiled. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: because you know, yeah, you know it's a twist. And
Speaker 2: somebody said verbal can't.
Speaker 3: Like, even if I watched that movie and someone said, oh,
Speaker 3: but there's a twist at the end, I don't think
Speaker 3: I would have ever guessed that it's verbal can't. I
Speaker 3: would have thought it was the retired cop guy, which
Speaker 3: is what they tried to lean too and they switched again.
Speaker 3: But I would have believed that it.
Speaker 2: Was the cop.
Speaker 3: I never I never would have thought that he wasn't
Speaker 3: actually disabled. The first time I watched me that fucked me?
Speaker 3: Is he walking directly?
Speaker 1: I remember the first I'm watching it, and then the
Speaker 1: slow like walk and then he continued like he starts
Speaker 1: right up. I'm like, oh crazy, Mine, absolutely blown. But
Speaker 1: I agree with you too. Once you watch it once
Speaker 1: or twice, it's like I don't really have to. It's
Speaker 1: like the sixth sense. The only movie that has a
Speaker 1: major twist that I could watch like that is Gone Girl,
Speaker 1: Gone Girl, Like it works every time, Like I didn't
Speaker 1: know that she did it.
Speaker 2: It's just that good of a movie. I'm just playing,
Speaker 2: So let's get into it.
Speaker 1: The movie opens up being narrated by verbok Uh, do
Speaker 1: you guys think that we gained that trust for him
Speaker 1: as a storyteller? That's why I was so surprising, as like,
Speaker 1: as a narrator, since he was telling the story, did
Speaker 1: that work for you?
Speaker 2: What I kept thinking about is Mike.
Speaker 1: How Mike said, you can't believe the narrator because it's
Speaker 1: just from their perspective.
Speaker 2: So I was like, oh shit, I was gonna ask
Speaker 2: you that's where you got this from. No, there's plenty
Speaker 2: of movies.
Speaker 3: The unreliable narrator thing that was when we were talking
Speaker 3: about No Country frold men.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know that's what I'm saying. Yeah, that's what
Speaker 2: it was. But I thought, that's why you said that
Speaker 2: because of this movie. Because of this movie.
Speaker 3: No, I think, of course, now that I'm on the spot,
Speaker 3: I can't think of another one. But there are a
Speaker 3: lot of films that are like that, where you have
Speaker 3: the story through the eyes of a certain person. By
Speaker 3: the end, you're like, wait, none of that was true.
Speaker 3: I can't like Memento.
Speaker 2: I hadn't seen Momento in a minute, and I want
Speaker 2: to go back and watch. Yeah, I just rewatched.
Speaker 1: That's when they do it on the House of Dragon,
Speaker 1: Like their perspective is being told. It's not being told
Speaker 1: from the tiger Arians. It's being told from like the
Speaker 1: people that keep the house and all of that stuff.
Speaker 1: So if you think you if you think of House
Speaker 1: of Dragon's, it's another unreliable narrator store. So first scene
Speaker 1: opens up, No, No, I was I was gonna say
Speaker 1: something totally unrelated, and I'm like, I wasn't gonna say.
Speaker 1: Momento popped up right after just watching this movie. Why
Speaker 1: that's why I watched it. I was all right, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna working and I always wanted to go back and
Speaker 1: watch that one.
Speaker 2: It's so good, man, it still works. That's why I said,
Speaker 2: don't even tell me, because I don't even remember.
Speaker 1: So it opens up on the ship and in the
Speaker 1: ship there's devastated by flames. You get Dean Keaton being
Speaker 1: shot by a shadowy figure, uh some of Kaja Sauce's handiwork,
Speaker 1: and then verbal Kent it's severely burned and he survives
Speaker 1: as a carnage. What you guys think about that opening scene, ken, No,
Speaker 1: I thought, in terms of like setting up this like
Speaker 1: sort of crime drama or whatever I thought it was,
Speaker 1: it was really good. Like you established that something happened,
Speaker 1: you know. Uh, there was a betrayal, you know, appearance
Speaker 1: on the betrayal where they went on this this whole thing.
Speaker 1: So I thought it was a good opening scene because
Speaker 1: you're just wondering, like, how do we get to where.
Speaker 2: We opened, you know anything jump out about to open.
Speaker 3: To you the opening Yeah, No, I thought that was
Speaker 3: pretty standard. I mean, as insulting as this might sounds,
Speaker 3: I think this movie really does just hinge.
Speaker 1: On the fact that there's a twist. Yeah, the rest
Speaker 1: of the movie, it's like Okay, it's a it's a
Speaker 1: decent movie with a great ending.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, a perfect way. Yeah you know, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: write anything about the opening scene.
Speaker 1: Nothing, just that you noticed that, you know, they weren't
Speaker 1: trying to show the person that committed the crime basically,
Speaker 1: or that shot him or whatnot. So I was like, okay,
Speaker 1: Like I said, it was hard to kind of put
Speaker 1: my put my mind back into like the original state
Speaker 1: when I first watched it. So yeah, So we learned
Speaker 1: about what happened on the ship from verbal being uh
Speaker 1: interrogated by US Customs agent Dave ku Kuwan. He goes
Speaker 1: to a series of flashbacks to tell the story of
Speaker 1: what happened. Any clues anything that I know we kind
Speaker 1: of talked about a little bit, But was there anything
Speaker 1: Looking back at it the second time, they could have
Speaker 1: tipped you off or tipped us off the first time around.
Speaker 3: I remember watching it the second time because I was like,
Speaker 3: after watching the first time, I was like, wait, what
Speaker 3: huh that doesn't make any sense. But when I watched
Speaker 3: it the second time, I just walked away being like,
Speaker 3: every single thing in this movie is a lie.
Speaker 2: So every I don't know if there was interrogated all way.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I don't think he was telling the truth
Speaker 3: about anything. I don't know that he was actually even
Speaker 3: in the lineup. I don't know if he was actually
Speaker 3: ever at any of these robberies. At this point, he
Speaker 3: is such an unreliable narrator. I don't believe anything he says.
Speaker 3: And that's partly why I don't really give a fuck
Speaker 3: about the movie anymore, because it's just like, well, if
Speaker 3: everything's a lie, then what do I care to watch
Speaker 3: it again?
Speaker 2: And I also don't even know if he's really kiss
Speaker 2: that's interesting. I don't know. That is a really interesting point. Now.
Speaker 2: I'm with Mike though.
Speaker 1: Man, that's what made it so hard to watch, because
Speaker 1: they like said they revealed that at the end, like
Speaker 1: how he was just using shit he was seeing on
Speaker 1: the walls, seeing on fucking cups, Like like, wait, none
Speaker 1: of this shit is like real, like the Red the
Speaker 1: Red Hood or some shit like that wasn't even a
Speaker 1: real person. So when you're showing the flashbacks, it's like,
Speaker 1: did these situations actually happen or he just made.
Speaker 2: All of this ship up?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 2: That's interesting? Can you think the same?
Speaker 1: I think watching it knowing that he made it up
Speaker 1: could be actually a dope way. I don't disagree with
Speaker 1: what they're saying, you know, but you know, knowing what
Speaker 1: you know and then watching it, but like, damn man,
Speaker 1: at this point he lying about this whole shit and
Speaker 1: he's just making this up in his head. It's kind
Speaker 1: of like when I watched The Dark Night, I'm like, bro,
Speaker 1: he planned all this shit out, Like every single.
Speaker 2: Point that everything's being has happened, he pre planned out.
Speaker 1: So for me, it led to the genius of the Joker,
Speaker 1: and this particularness is like, Yo, this is crazy that
Speaker 1: he's actually thinking of this ship in real fucking time
Speaker 1: if that's what's happening and just making.
Speaker 2: All this shit up. Do Yeah, I agree with one
Speaker 2: hundred percent.
Speaker 1: I think it's insane and it's hard to look at
Speaker 1: again once you know that he's making everything up. Similar
Speaker 1: I keep comparing it to the sixth Sense, Like once
Speaker 1: you see it and you know he did, it's like
Speaker 1: so painfully obvious that the movie not good anymore. Like
Speaker 1: you see six Cents for the third time, you're like,
Speaker 1: why did they get me? Yeah?
Speaker 2: So it was just crazy.
Speaker 1: So same thing with this, You're like, okay, gotcha, all right?
Speaker 1: So we see how the lineups, or we see how
Speaker 1: the crew is put together. Six weeks ago, five criminals
Speaker 1: they were in the lineup together, and they start planning
Speaker 1: for a heist or so they say to your point,
Speaker 1: like Kevin Spacey said, Uh, did you guys, despite the
Speaker 1: tension that they had, did y'all think that the plan
Speaker 1: was gonna work? Did it sound like a good plan?
Speaker 1: Any thoughts about the plan that they were putting together?
Speaker 2: Nothing? I don't even remember the exact plan the plan
Speaker 2: of robbers boat. Let's when they put the plan together.
Speaker 2: About the final plan yeap yo, I mean, yeah, it
Speaker 2: was fine. I guess it's gonna be hard.
Speaker 1: Moved a review because, like I said, that's what I
Speaker 1: was thinking when as I was watching it. I'm like,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be hard to talk about this. There really
Speaker 1: is nothing there but the end. Everything else is just
Speaker 1: him telling a fake story. Well, I can't remember like
Speaker 1: the details of the plant because because then they do
Speaker 1: something before them, because all of.
Speaker 2: Them were they were all least line up. They were
Speaker 2: all criminals.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but they they were all round up for a
Speaker 1: lineup for a lineup? What but why like something somebody
Speaker 1: robbed something like why them. Did ka set all that up?
Speaker 1: I thought they just paid people for Yeah, but was
Speaker 1: this whole this whole so the thing I was asking like,
Speaker 1: was this a whole elaborate ruse to get these specific individuals,
Speaker 1: you know, to do this? Like did he pay somebody
Speaker 1: in the police department to go target the four of
Speaker 1: them and in order to trick them into doing the
Speaker 1: boat robbery?
Speaker 2: Later? So did Kevin Spacey's character?
Speaker 1: Did Kevin Spacey set this whole thing up way in
Speaker 1: the beginning because they all had a connection to Kaisa.
Speaker 2: Which he revealed later, right, right, how so?
Speaker 1: But again, we don't know if this story is true
Speaker 1: in the movie. That's the problem happenstance. But we do
Speaker 1: know they all were on the boat. We don't know
Speaker 1: because everybody was burned up, right, that's right. Yeah, they
Speaker 1: all were burnt up.
Speaker 2: That's right. Yeah they were.
Speaker 3: The burnt up guy said that though, Yeah, on the boat,
Speaker 3: that's right, the burnt up guy that could still talk.
Speaker 2: He said, all their names.
Speaker 3: I don't know if he's in all their names, but
Speaker 3: he kind of implied that at least the final part happened.
Speaker 1: Is everything before that, Yeah, everything in the middle is
Speaker 1: where like yeah, you be your ah or whatever his
Speaker 1: name is. All that ship like when they rolled up
Speaker 1: on the cops and because what was that mission when
Speaker 1: they they.
Speaker 2: Would rupt cops in a taxi scam job. So they
Speaker 2: were robbing corrupt talking man, yeah, talking kid.
Speaker 1: It's crazy because like they short at the end, he
Speaker 1: was just making up this ship as he went, yeah,
Speaker 1: do y'all think, dude that they jump into the end
Speaker 1: little but y'all think he figured it out the detective.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he figured out at the end, he was like,
Speaker 2: this is mock. Just played me. He did say that,
Speaker 2: remember me dropped and then we saw something else in
Speaker 2: the coffee cup that he made up. Okay, So so
Speaker 2: the taxi scam that ship was was bro He made
Speaker 2: that ship up too.
Speaker 1: I remember the taxi went robbing the corrupt cops. They
Speaker 1: were robbing corrupt cops in the taxi scam. They putting
Speaker 1: it to set the ship on fire. Yeah, why don't I.
Speaker 2: Remember that part?
Speaker 1: Because then there was the van in front of him
Speaker 1: and then I think Kevin Spacey one of them were
Speaker 1: in the in the in the in the masks and.
Speaker 2: They but okay, I remember that they had to shoot
Speaker 2: the guy because Yeah, no, not that's different. That's a
Speaker 2: different one. That was a jewelry heist. Yeah, that was different. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it was.
Speaker 1: It was a cop so they had they basically had
Speaker 1: the barricade barricaded in like they had a cornered and
Speaker 1: they couldn't get out. And then they just basically uh,
Speaker 1: he was like, oh, you're gonna You're gonna regret this,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm doing on him and they poured
Speaker 1: all the stuff on the on the cop hers that
Speaker 1: bitch on fire and they just got a car. It
Speaker 1: wasn't even harm it was just on the ground, yep.
Speaker 1: Because it was somebody in the end. Because he was like,
Speaker 1: would this get me to Staten Island where he was going.
Speaker 1: He was like, man, let's get you do whatever he said,
Speaker 1: and they robbed the taxi scam. But they all working together, right, yes,
Speaker 1: according to him him, and then they decided to do
Speaker 1: the taxi scam. So I guess after so we said,
Speaker 1: like after the lineup, they decided to partner together.
Speaker 2: To rob a little networking uh crime network.
Speaker 1: According to verbal Camp, and that's how they all ended
Speaker 1: up working together. And they were just committing these sets
Speaker 1: of robberies throughout this old thing. And then from there,
Speaker 1: Calbashi delivered envelopes to the ordering them.
Speaker 2: What's his name is that, right, Kyobashi? Kobashi? Uh. He
Speaker 2: delivers the envelopes, ordered them to work for the shadowy. Kayja.
Speaker 1: So say, did y'all pep that the envelopes are delivered
Speaker 1: in the same order that the suspects die.
Speaker 2: I did the same order that they died, and they
Speaker 2: delivered the envelopes. That's that's yeah. So even then le
Speaker 2: play into right, that was gonna at it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so, and and the lawyer just made this guy
Speaker 1: is completely made up, you know. So he went and
Speaker 1: he went in okay, yeah, but this is when when
Speaker 1: they rounded all of them up right at this point, yeah,
Speaker 1: to work for ka.
Speaker 2: Right, that's when he was rounding them up and passing
Speaker 2: out the envelope getting them on the boat. But he
Speaker 2: asked them to do the Was this the jury heightst? No,
Speaker 2: this was the boat what you're talking about when he
Speaker 2: gave out the envelopes.
Speaker 1: Now remember, okay, so remember there was another heightst that
Speaker 1: they did together. I remember they ended up.
Speaker 2: Shooting everybody because that was what your heights.
Speaker 1: No, there were two heights. Then there were two things.
Speaker 1: Are those connected? Remember the cop car right when he
Speaker 1: set it on fire.
Speaker 2: And then there was the garage scene, right.
Speaker 1: Remember I do remember, and there was a guy they
Speaker 1: shot they because remember they were struggle.
Speaker 2: They were wrestling with one of the guys and he
Speaker 2: had the two guns, and that was that was part
Speaker 2: of the heist, right right? Oh, all that was connected.
Speaker 2: I thought that was. It's described in this call it
Speaker 2: it's part of the heist.
Speaker 3: That's why I thought also that this was all bullshit
Speaker 3: because I was like, this was the only part that
Speaker 3: was so unrealistic, Like.
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, he's lying, this didn't happen, like
Speaker 2: trick shots. Get out of here. But I thought this
Speaker 2: was what put them on the radar of Kaiso Sosa,
Speaker 2: I think it was.
Speaker 1: And then he passed out the letters to them according
Speaker 1: to again the Unreliable Nerror, so maybe they didn't even
Speaker 1: even happen. But then from the Jerry Heights they get
Speaker 1: the letters in the order of their death. From there
Speaker 1: they get on the boat, they got their final mission ownership.
Speaker 1: Chaos ensued as far as them going through the whole thing,
Speaker 1: and we see them die one by one and wonder
Speaker 1: who did it?
Speaker 2: And you hear him telling the story and yeah, what
Speaker 2: y'all think about that? About the whole time on the boat,
Speaker 2: this was anticlimactic to me.
Speaker 1: It was it's a hard watch now and reviewing it, like,
Speaker 1: I was worried the whole time. I was like, what
Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about about this move? Because it's the ending.
Speaker 1: It's just the ending.
Speaker 3: It was more so because they The only one that
Speaker 3: I think went out in kind of a cool way
Speaker 3: was the dude I can't remember his name, but he
Speaker 3: was the dude that was looking over the money and
Speaker 3: then all of a sudden, you just see a shot
Speaker 3: pop off. That was actually a cool death, but everybody
Speaker 3: else is kind of just died, And I was like, well,
Speaker 3: that's really kind of weak.
Speaker 1: It kind of speaks to your point him being so vague.
Speaker 1: They probably may have died a different way, but he
Speaker 1: was so vaguaby because he maybe didn't know or or
Speaker 1: uh this.
Speaker 2: Was actually verbal Kent killing all of them one by one.
Speaker 2: Well that's that's what it seems like. But it was
Speaker 2: just boring deaths, like random, like there's ninety.
Speaker 3: Five but yeah, and then like Buddy comes out and
Speaker 3: he's like stabbed in the neck and it's like.
Speaker 2: Wait, huh.
Speaker 1: But looking at it from from the less of like, uh,
Speaker 1: the I think it was the one guy that was
Speaker 1: always cussing people out, the one that didn't give a fuck.
Speaker 2: I guess he said, like we was looking over the money.
Speaker 2: He got shot from behind and then he turned around.
Speaker 2: That's the one I thought was cool.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then the look on his face was like,
Speaker 1: oh shit, is you? And then he did? And then uh,
Speaker 1: who's after that? The one that had the assault rifle
Speaker 1: on the roof the sniper?
Speaker 2: How did he die? Did? I want to say, somebody
Speaker 2: walked up behind him? I don't remember. You're talking about
Speaker 2: Benicio Delto's character. I guess so not. Oh so the
Speaker 2: big the that's the one that was missing, the one
Speaker 2: that nobody could understand. Benicio. I don't remember how he died.
Speaker 2: I don't remember how he died.
Speaker 1: I think he was so when Kaiser was trying to
Speaker 1: make them do the mission, he was the one that
Speaker 1: was like hell Na, So he left, but they went
Speaker 1: and hunted him down and killed him. That was the
Speaker 1: one that they buried on the beach in the water,
Speaker 1: and they were like, oh, they're going to be able
Speaker 1: to smell that Oh that was that, I think so right. Oh,
Speaker 1: he was the only one that was missing, so they
Speaker 1: killed him off, y'all. I can't remember how he died,
Speaker 1: and remember how Keaton died, because remember he said, what
Speaker 1: time is it? It's twelve thirty and then he killed him.
Speaker 1: I didn't know the significance of that because that was
Speaker 1: at the beginning of the movie.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 3: It's a shame because rewatching this, I I can tell
Speaker 3: you honestly that I was not paying as close attention
Speaker 3: as I should because I was like, well, I already
Speaker 3: know the story, so I don't really care that much.
Speaker 2: I was like fucking around on line while I was
Speaker 2: watching it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is one of the things with this movie
Speaker 1: because like, there's nothing really captivating about again.
Speaker 2: The he said what.
Speaker 1: It would have been worse than this, absolutely, so let's
Speaker 1: let's let's let's let's take.
Speaker 2: It from this perspective.
Speaker 1: Then this movie is is looked at us like, I
Speaker 1: don't want to say one of the ones, but that's
Speaker 1: one of the almost like a classic, right it is
Speaker 1: still even though we have as a class, even though
Speaker 1: we have a hard time talking about it. I think
Speaker 1: it doesn't take away from from what the impact the
Speaker 1: impact it has. Yeah, yeah, it's just that it's it's
Speaker 1: a hard rewatch.
Speaker 2: That's that's all it is.
Speaker 1: And to have a conversation about, because it's not much
Speaker 1: to like other than like you speaking to its classic
Speaker 1: place in history, like the story just isn't great.
Speaker 2: It's just oh wow, that happened. People love this movie.
Speaker 2: This is this is a movie that.
Speaker 1: Since six million dollar budget, it comes up a lot
Speaker 1: in conversations, like you know, over.
Speaker 2: Over the over the years, you know, and it was
Speaker 2: almost like if if you're like me, like if you
Speaker 2: ain't seen this movie, then you've just been missing out.
Speaker 2: Y'all think that's the case. Yeah, I think this is
Speaker 2: a mussy.
Speaker 1: It is people that enjoy movies in films well, and
Speaker 1: I think Kevin's basically one best supporting actor when Oscar
Speaker 1: so I do think it stands in that place. But again,
Speaker 1: you put it in the category with like a sixth
Speaker 1: sense and movies where it's like, well I know what's
Speaker 1: gonna happen and everything else and it ain't great.
Speaker 2: See even like No Country for Old.
Speaker 3: Men, you know the ending, but go back again and
Speaker 3: just watch how it breaks down over and over this.
Speaker 3: Outside of there being a twist, it's really not that
Speaker 3: interesting of a movie. The most interesting thing I found
Speaker 3: was the fact that one Carlo looked more like he
Speaker 3: was a black man.
Speaker 2: Back when bro that ship, I was like, who was it?
Speaker 2: I was like, who was that?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 2: He looks so young, he did look and black. Yeah,
Speaker 2: black is.
Speaker 3: Now it looks black in something else. But back then
Speaker 3: you could tell me that motherfucker was just regular as
Speaker 3: black born in Chicago.
Speaker 2: I'm not the same thing. When he was in the
Speaker 2: right thing and uh, school days, right, I thought he
Speaker 2: was school days. Let me ask you all, this is
Speaker 2: this one of the greatest movies ever made. It's on
Speaker 2: the list, on the list it should be.
Speaker 1: I feel like that's that's I feel like people put
Speaker 1: it in that Buck carries it.
Speaker 2: That's like that. It's that's not a knot, though, is it? Yeah?
Speaker 1: If you can't, I feel like, if you can't consistently
Speaker 1: rewatch the movie and it's not great like I could,
Speaker 1: I don't know, Like, what's a great movie that you
Speaker 1: can't rewatch again?
Speaker 2: I can't think of any like any I feel like
Speaker 2: any great movie watch I'm the I'm the worst person
Speaker 2: to ask, because I don't really like watching movies like that.
Speaker 2: I love to rewatch movies, but I can't think of
Speaker 2: a single one where I was like, God, that was amazing.
Speaker 1: I'm never watching it again, you know what I'm saying. Like,
Speaker 1: I can think of a good movie, like Fruvel Station
Speaker 1: was a good movie, but I've never watched it. In fact,
Speaker 1: I'll never and that's just because of how it makes
Speaker 1: you feel, in the sense of, yeah, it's way too
Speaker 1: heavy to like watch consistently.
Speaker 2: Ship I can watch the dialogue is just too good
Speaker 2: for me. Not I've wanted to watch it again, but.
Speaker 1: I just the way it made me, the way it
Speaker 1: made me feel like, I want to rewatch it too,
Speaker 1: but I just I just hated how.
Speaker 2: It made me feel. It's very heavy. It's very heavy.
Speaker 2: I watched it. Yeah, yeah, put it on your list.
Speaker 2: It's really good.
Speaker 1: I think, like all the great movies, like I think,
Speaker 1: I feel like Sean shank Redemption is a great movie.
Speaker 2: I watched it anytime. You wouldn't watch it again? Really, yeah,
Speaker 2: I've seen it. I've seen it enough. I don't ever
Speaker 2: need to see that movie again. But it is good.
Speaker 3: It's different than this because that movie again, it has
Speaker 3: such great dialogue and there's other things outside of the
Speaker 3: twel Okay, I think I said the relationship between him
Speaker 3: and Morgan Freeman, and there's just all of these, like
Speaker 3: all this commentary on jail, on morality, So that's different.
Speaker 2: This I don't get all. I think I see what
Speaker 2: you guys. So so the kind of what you said earlier,
Speaker 2: there's there's some some sort of depth missing. It's very
Speaker 2: parts of the movie.
Speaker 1: It's because like once once it's revealed that it's all
Speaker 1: made up, because I'm reading right here because I wanted
Speaker 1: to read it, like uh, the detective basically realizes that
Speaker 1: verbal fabricated his entire STU improvise it on the spot
Speaker 1: by piecing together details from the random items in his
Speaker 1: office clutter his cluttered office. So it's like on the
Speaker 1: spot he came up with this whole story based off
Speaker 1: these different because even the man he said it was
Speaker 1: like a big black woman on the He even made
Speaker 1: that ship up.
Speaker 3: Like that.
Speaker 2: But I'm just using it as like it's in the movie.
Speaker 2: It's in the movie.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So it's like he made all that ship up,
Speaker 1: and it's like I want you know that it's hard
Speaker 1: to rewatch.
Speaker 3: It because the story he made up wasn't that cool. Really,
Speaker 3: wasn't that cool of a story that he made up.
Speaker 3: It's just wild that he made it up.
Speaker 2: On the spot. On the spot. Yeah, and the crazy
Speaker 2: part is detective like, I'm smarter than you.
Speaker 3: Yes, I'm glad you brought that up, because that was
Speaker 3: one of the only interesting aspects of the film to me,
Speaker 3: was the reason we look at him as like, oh,
Speaker 3: we can't do it is because he's handicapped, and because
Speaker 3: they think he's but because he's handicapped. So I think
Speaker 3: that was an actual interesting commentary on underestimating people impressions
Speaker 3: or disabilities or whatever.
Speaker 2: So that was kind of cool.
Speaker 1: But outside of that, it's just like, all right, this
Speaker 1: is just a movie out brow.
Speaker 2: When he ran outside, he was good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I loved it. Was there anything that stood out
Speaker 1: to y'all like he should have caught that from the perspective?
Speaker 3: No, I mean they they they did catch multiple times
Speaker 3: that he was getting his story fucked up.
Speaker 1: But I think that that's audio point. You just made
Speaker 1: that credit in him because he was stupid, That's why.
Speaker 3: But now when you watch it back a second time,
Speaker 3: you're like, oh no, he's fucking the story up because
Speaker 3: he's making it up on the spot.
Speaker 2: And then he made the detective make it seem like
Speaker 2: he figured it out and ship and he was my
Speaker 2: friend and yeah it was good man. I was like,
Speaker 2: damn fucking cops that put he's seal. He's how do
Speaker 2: you shoot the devil in the back with the hand
Speaker 2: like this? And he to fix I watched the video
Speaker 2: he did that. I wasn't making fun of hed and
Speaker 2: then he had to like fix it or some ship,
Speaker 2: haven't YEH been stuck like that for so long. The
Speaker 2: greatest trick is devil devils there right there. Talk to
Speaker 2: him and see part of me.
Speaker 3: That's why part of me thinks that he's still lying
Speaker 3: and that he's not actually kinder.
Speaker 2: So what's his face?
Speaker 3: The other guy, the guy that was supposed to be
Speaker 3: like the guy I kind of think that he might
Speaker 3: actually be kind of so say because it's like, wait
Speaker 3: a minute, like Kevin space doesn't seemed that old, but
Speaker 3: this story seems to be old right over.
Speaker 2: Yeah, of him killing his own family because he will.
Speaker 3: I would get that more from that other dude than
Speaker 3: Kevin Spacey's part. But I mean, that's not a big deal.
Speaker 3: I mean, if he is supposed to be him, and it's.
Speaker 1: Fine, and that goes to the unreliable narrative and what
Speaker 1: we've seen him do in the interrogation room. It may
Speaker 1: be a story the dude told.
Speaker 3: Him and he just relayed like yeah, or he may
Speaker 3: have yeah, he may have just been like, this is
Speaker 3: what you have to do if you get caught, because
Speaker 3: you're not going to give me up because.
Speaker 2: I'll kill you and all of the people.
Speaker 1: Because they showed him lighting the lighter, gave him that,
Speaker 1: but why would they show that he still had that
Speaker 1: lighter and he was the one that showed like killed
Speaker 1: him in the beginning. The reason I think I started
Speaker 1: thinking this is because when you watch it, that doesn't
Speaker 1: look like him at the beginning.
Speaker 2: You do.
Speaker 3: So even if he's telling the story, we're supposed to
Speaker 3: be viewing this, I guess from his storyline perspective or.
Speaker 1: Whatever, but he's not telling it at that point. That
Speaker 1: was a real look into what happened earlier on and
Speaker 1: it doesn't look like him.
Speaker 2: What do you mean exactly?
Speaker 3: So if you watch it again, the guy that's Kaiser
Speaker 3: so said that is shooting buddy's name Keaton, and you
Speaker 3: look at Kais are so say, it looks nothing like
Speaker 3: Kevin Spacey.
Speaker 2: It looks like it could be.
Speaker 3: It's like a taller guy with a much thinner I
Speaker 3: thought it was the lawyer guy that's that's yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: I know, I know that's what I thought it was.
Speaker 2: I still think it might have been him. Is that
Speaker 2: I'm telling you now, Kaiser, he was terrified that guy
Speaker 2: that showed up. It was like relaying. I think.
Speaker 1: Question, is there a famous line from this movie? It's
Speaker 1: the Double One. I think that's not where it came from,
Speaker 1: is it.
Speaker 2: I always thought it was in the Bible, but I
Speaker 2: don't think it is. I thought it was in the
Speaker 2: Bible too, or maybe it is in the Bible. In
Speaker 2: the Bible, Damn, that'd be crazy if it came from
Speaker 2: this movie. Brought that? Yeah, okay, all right, well you
Speaker 2: got anything else? But it has it sounds like it's
Speaker 2: from the Bible. Though it does sound like it's from
Speaker 2: the Bible. Let's see. Nope, it's from this movie. You
Speaker 2: know that f who originally said it's in the Usual Suspects.
Speaker 2: I guess it was. Damn.
Speaker 1: It's a famous quote often attributed to the French poet
Speaker 1: Charles I'm wrong, Charles boudellor b a U. D.
Speaker 2: Boudelaire. Yeah, it sounded like he was quoting it from
Speaker 2: somebody else too. It has the sentiment for dates Baudelaire.
Speaker 2: So he was so yeah, wow, but I don't think
Speaker 2: I don't take it.
Speaker 1: He was around when that lady was up in the
Speaker 1: uh what's the name Bowser on the bicla when she
Speaker 1: was helping Free in the Civil Wars Bike eighteen sixty four. Bro, anyway,
Speaker 1: now I don't have anything else. I don't have anything
Speaker 1: else watching it now, you know I'm with you, guys.
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, I do think you know. The ending
Speaker 1: is crazy. I get the sentiment about it, but yeah,
Speaker 1: when I was watching, I was like, bro, what is
Speaker 1: the fucking hype for this movie? And it really just
Speaker 1: is then, but.
Speaker 2: I get it.
Speaker 1: I can only imagine when it was like watching this
Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety five and that shit happened.
Speaker 2: He was like, what, right from a movie going experience
Speaker 2: in ninety five? Old ship? I like, I remember like
Speaker 2: buying a DVD it is a must have, and telling
Speaker 2: people about it. You got the dvd I had it.
Speaker 2: I don't know what.
Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely about it about the DVD when it came out,
Speaker 1: so we used to go use browsing for DVDs.
Speaker 2: Like, you don't think it's a muscle own movie? Mm hmm, nah, damn,
Speaker 2: you don't think just in your collection, Like would you
Speaker 2: show this to your your boys kids like this? They
Speaker 2: wanted to see this ship, bro, they need to watch
Speaker 2: the Dark Knight watch that ship. Anything else in this movie? Nah? Nah.
Speaker 2: It's definitely a classic. It's an amazing film. It's just
Speaker 2: not a good not a good rewatch, right, what about you?
Speaker 1: Same Sentiment's definitely a classic, just one of the best
Speaker 1: plots twists in cinema, but just not a good rewatch yep,
Speaker 1: I think I have the same sentiment as you, guys.
Speaker 1: Classic film, great performance by Kevin Spacey, but just not
Speaker 1: a great rewatch. Once the trick is out of the bag,
Speaker 1: it's kind of like a one trick pony film. But
Speaker 1: other than that, man, if you haven't seen it, go
Speaker 1: see it. Go check out the usual suspects. Don't don't
Speaker 1: believe you see when you watch this right exactly? The
Speaker 1: whole thing is a lot. But yeah, this has been
Speaker 1: the frames per second podcast anniversary episode for the Usual
Speaker 1: Suspects and we are out Piece