WEBVTT - The Usual Suspects (30th Anniversary) 0:00:01.680 --> 0:00:10.319 The France Per Second Podcast. Welcome to the Frans per 0:00:10.400 --> 0:00:15.680 second Podcast. Anniversary of Usual Suspects. Uh, today I have 0:00:15.800 --> 0:00:21.000 with me Kennethy, Inch, Mike and Ron. It's good. What 0:00:21.120 --> 0:00:25.639 what anniversary year are we on for this? That's a 0:00:25.720 --> 0:00:26.640 really good question. 0:00:26.760 --> 0:00:30.280 Thy god, dang, nineteen y five. I think it's. 0:00:30.400 --> 0:00:36.879 Holy moldy, man, that's crazy. I saw Riding Dirty came 0:00:36.920 --> 0:00:40.160 out thirty years ago. I was like, oh no, really, yes, 0:00:40.440 --> 0:00:44.040 that was yeah, twenty seven years. I haven't made him 0:00:44.040 --> 0:00:46.600 to bring have a conversation about all that on his mice. 0:00:46.720 --> 0:00:48.519 Long shit, I got it in my notes. 0:00:48.840 --> 0:00:49.080 Man. 0:00:49.120 --> 0:00:51.760 But after well, today we're gonna have a conversation about 0:00:51.800 --> 0:00:52.960 the usual Suspects. 0:00:53.080 --> 0:00:54.480 Mike, was this your first time seeing this? 0:00:56.280 --> 0:00:58.320 And I thought you said that because it was something 0:00:58.320 --> 0:01:02.960 we was talking about you with him? What I thought 0:01:02.960 --> 0:01:04.680 we were talking about something and we was like, don't 0:01:04.720 --> 0:01:07.119 ruin the ending. I thought we avoided. You was talking 0:01:07.160 --> 0:01:08.880 about the ending. I might have said that, but not 0:01:08.959 --> 0:01:10.440 for myself, just for other people. 0:01:10.520 --> 0:01:13.160 Got you. But no, I've definitely seen this movie. Okay, 0:01:13.160 --> 0:01:16.640 how was it revisited? It was fine. 0:01:16.840 --> 0:01:18.720 This is one of those movies that I don't have 0:01:18.760 --> 0:01:21.560 a desire to rewatch because once. 0:01:21.360 --> 0:01:23.039 You know the twist, it's like, I don't care about 0:01:23.040 --> 0:01:23.480 the rest of this. 0:01:23.800 --> 0:01:26.640 Yes, I do think it's an incredible film, but it's 0:01:26.640 --> 0:01:28.920 only an incredible film the first time you watch it, yes, 0:01:29.040 --> 0:01:31.480 or maybe the second time, because then you can go back, 0:01:31.720 --> 0:01:33.319 like you can look yeah yeah. 0:01:33.360 --> 0:01:38.440 But third time I was like, all right, cool, Rob, 0:01:38.440 --> 0:01:40.560 I will say you same man. It's definitely one of 0:01:40.600 --> 0:01:43.759 them films that shoots itself in the foot, like because 0:01:43.800 --> 0:01:47.720 once you've seen it, you can't unsee it, you know, 0:01:48.200 --> 0:01:50.520 and you just keep thinking about, oh man, this motherfucker 0:01:50.560 --> 0:01:52.640 playing them the whole time, and it's like damn, it 0:01:52.720 --> 0:01:53.560 kind of ruins the. 0:01:53.560 --> 0:01:54.960 Movie for you. 0:01:55.160 --> 0:01:58.200 And like even after all these years and I haven't 0:01:58.240 --> 0:02:00.760 been I haven't went back and watched it, I still 0:02:00.800 --> 0:02:03.160 it's still was like just I couldn't get it out 0:02:03.160 --> 0:02:05.280 of my head. I keep I kept on the end, 0:02:06.240 --> 0:02:09.239 like and that and that the movie is that that's. 0:02:09.120 --> 0:02:11.320 The allure of the movie, Like it's the end. 0:02:12.120 --> 0:02:16.240 So it was hard to kind of rewatch this and 0:02:16.480 --> 0:02:17.000 enjoy it. 0:02:17.080 --> 0:02:18.360 Honestly, I could not. 0:02:18.480 --> 0:02:20.239 And I just could not get into it because I 0:02:20.240 --> 0:02:22.000 already knew what what was gonna happen. 0:02:22.600 --> 0:02:26.760 Did you have a similar experience, Well, we all look alike, 0:02:27.280 --> 0:02:28.639 Oh it was him, it was. 0:02:30.200 --> 0:02:36.440 Oh that's what it was. That's what it was. 0:02:36.880 --> 0:02:46.320 A quiet say nothing. He's been around his friend too long, 0:02:48.200 --> 0:02:53.840 That's what it is. Christ So I found this. 0:02:54.040 --> 0:02:58.760 Really interesting is that in the tracker that I used 0:02:58.760 --> 0:03:01.840 to watch, the Trap stuff I watched there was a 0:03:01.880 --> 0:03:06.839 play for this in twenty twenty one, but I did 0:03:06.919 --> 0:03:08.120 not remember. 0:03:08.639 --> 0:03:12.680 I still still was like watching it for the first time. So, but. 0:03:14.560 --> 0:03:17.040 I do agree with what they're saying because when I'm 0:03:17.080 --> 0:03:22.160 when I'm watching it, I'm like, this is the movie 0:03:22.160 --> 0:03:25.600 everybody like like, like what just white people want to 0:03:25.600 --> 0:03:27.800 steal some shit and and all this other shit Like 0:03:27.840 --> 0:03:28.680 I don't, I don't. 0:03:28.880 --> 0:03:29.520 I don't get it. 0:03:29.560 --> 0:03:32.120 And I knew there was a twist, so you know, 0:03:32.160 --> 0:03:34.800 you're kind of watching it, but after a while you'll 0:03:34.800 --> 0:03:35.080 be like. 0:03:35.040 --> 0:03:36.760 Okay, I think I see what's going on. 0:03:36.880 --> 0:03:39.120 You know, So I really wish I didn't kind of 0:03:39.400 --> 0:03:42.080 because y'all are y'all already kind of said that there 0:03:42.120 --> 0:03:42.600 was a twist. 0:03:42.680 --> 0:03:45.080 Yeah, but yeah, how would you still know that though? Right? 0:03:45.280 --> 0:03:48.680 Because he's did you guess there's a couple of things 0:03:48.720 --> 0:03:54.280 that that allowed me to do some clues. One there's 0:03:54.320 --> 0:03:57.600 a rapper that goes by the name Verbal Kent, and 0:03:57.640 --> 0:03:59.680 I'm like, why would you pick the name Verbal Kent 0:04:00.160 --> 0:04:00.760 the rappers? 0:04:01.600 --> 0:04:02.960 You know, why would he pick that name? 0:04:04.040 --> 0:04:06.560 And then you guys said that there's a twist in 0:04:06.600 --> 0:04:10.119 the movie that when we did it, so I've heard 0:04:10.120 --> 0:04:15.440 the name for you're too smart. That's why I'll be 0:04:15.560 --> 0:04:17.880 like watch trailers and ship because I feel like, if 0:04:17.960 --> 0:04:21.280 I see the game, yeah, if I if I would 0:04:21.279 --> 0:04:23.360 have had the same experience watching the first time, like y'all, 0:04:23.640 --> 0:04:26.800 you know, I seriously I would have would have done that. 0:04:26.920 --> 0:04:31.039 Yeah, but you were kind of indirectly spoiled. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:04:31.040 --> 0:04:33.440 because you know, yeah, you know it's a twist. And 0:04:33.560 --> 0:04:34.680 somebody said verbal can't. 0:04:34.720 --> 0:04:36.840 Like, even if I watched that movie and someone said, oh, 0:04:36.880 --> 0:04:38.760 but there's a twist at the end, I don't think 0:04:38.800 --> 0:04:40.760 I would have ever guessed that it's verbal can't. I 0:04:40.800 --> 0:04:44.400 would have thought it was the retired cop guy, which 0:04:44.480 --> 0:04:47.160 is what they tried to lean too and they switched again. 0:04:47.800 --> 0:04:48.880 But I would have believed that it. 0:04:48.920 --> 0:04:49.320 Was the cop. 0:04:49.400 --> 0:04:51.680 I never I never would have thought that he wasn't 0:04:51.720 --> 0:04:55.720 actually disabled. The first time I watched me that fucked me? 0:04:57.560 --> 0:04:58.480 Is he walking directly? 0:04:59.000 --> 0:05:01.080 I remember the first I'm watching it, and then the 0:05:01.240 --> 0:05:03.880 slow like walk and then he continued like he starts 0:05:04.400 --> 0:05:08.520 right up. I'm like, oh crazy, Mine, absolutely blown. But 0:05:09.600 --> 0:05:12.360 I agree with you too. Once you watch it once 0:05:12.480 --> 0:05:14.440 or twice, it's like I don't really have to. It's 0:05:14.480 --> 0:05:16.760 like the sixth sense. The only movie that has a 0:05:16.839 --> 0:05:19.400 major twist that I could watch like that is Gone Girl, 0:05:19.760 --> 0:05:22.680 Gone Girl, Like it works every time, Like I didn't 0:05:22.720 --> 0:05:23.360 know that she did it. 0:05:23.760 --> 0:05:26.559 It's just that good of a movie. I'm just playing, 0:05:30.600 --> 0:05:31.960 So let's get into it. 0:05:32.120 --> 0:05:35.560 The movie opens up being narrated by verbok Uh, do 0:05:35.680 --> 0:05:39.240 you guys think that we gained that trust for him 0:05:39.279 --> 0:05:42.320 as a storyteller? That's why I was so surprising, as like, 0:05:42.520 --> 0:05:46.960 as a narrator, since he was telling the story, did 0:05:47.000 --> 0:05:47.520 that work for you? 0:05:48.480 --> 0:05:49.800 What I kept thinking about is Mike. 0:05:50.080 --> 0:05:53.280 How Mike said, you can't believe the narrator because it's 0:05:53.279 --> 0:05:54.280 just from their perspective. 0:05:54.400 --> 0:05:56.640 So I was like, oh shit, I was gonna ask 0:05:56.680 --> 0:05:59.440 you that's where you got this from. No, there's plenty 0:05:59.480 --> 0:05:59.839 of movies. 0:06:00.160 --> 0:06:02.720 The unreliable narrator thing that was when we were talking 0:06:02.760 --> 0:06:04.680 about No Country frold men. 0:06:04.800 --> 0:06:06.360 Yeah, I know that's what I'm saying. Yeah, that's what 0:06:06.480 --> 0:06:08.280 it was. But I thought, that's why you said that 0:06:09.240 --> 0:06:10.680 because of this movie. Because of this movie. 0:06:11.920 --> 0:06:14.160 No, I think, of course, now that I'm on the spot, 0:06:14.200 --> 0:06:16.080 I can't think of another one. But there are a 0:06:16.160 --> 0:06:19.080 lot of films that are like that, where you have 0:06:19.440 --> 0:06:21.640 the story through the eyes of a certain person. By 0:06:21.680 --> 0:06:23.360 the end, you're like, wait, none of that was true. 0:06:23.920 --> 0:06:25.000 I can't like Memento. 0:06:26.240 --> 0:06:27.920 I hadn't seen Momento in a minute, and I want 0:06:27.960 --> 0:06:29.760 to go back and watch. Yeah, I just rewatched. 0:06:29.800 --> 0:06:31.839 That's when they do it on the House of Dragon, 0:06:32.320 --> 0:06:35.360 Like their perspective is being told. It's not being told 0:06:35.360 --> 0:06:37.840 from the tiger Arians. It's being told from like the 0:06:38.920 --> 0:06:40.800 people that keep the house and all of that stuff. 0:06:41.320 --> 0:06:42.520 So if you think you if you think of House 0:06:42.520 --> 0:06:47.279 of Dragon's, it's another unreliable narrator store. So first scene 0:06:47.320 --> 0:06:49.840 opens up, No, No, I was I was gonna say 0:06:49.880 --> 0:06:53.240 something totally unrelated, and I'm like, I wasn't gonna say. 0:06:53.240 --> 0:06:56.720 Momento popped up right after just watching this movie. Why 0:06:57.400 --> 0:06:59.680 that's why I watched it. I was all right, I'm 0:06:59.720 --> 0:07:01.800 gonna working and I always wanted to go back and 0:07:01.839 --> 0:07:02.360 watch that one. 0:07:02.400 --> 0:07:05.960 It's so good, man, it still works. That's why I said, 0:07:05.960 --> 0:07:07.400 don't even tell me, because I don't even remember. 0:07:08.320 --> 0:07:12.400 So it opens up on the ship and in the 0:07:12.480 --> 0:07:15.880 ship there's devastated by flames. You get Dean Keaton being 0:07:15.960 --> 0:07:20.000 shot by a shadowy figure, uh some of Kaja Sauce's handiwork, 0:07:20.160 --> 0:07:24.480 and then verbal Kent it's severely burned and he survives 0:07:24.480 --> 0:07:29.640 as a carnage. What you guys think about that opening scene, ken, No, 0:07:29.800 --> 0:07:32.440 I thought, in terms of like setting up this like 0:07:32.880 --> 0:07:37.360 sort of crime drama or whatever I thought it was, 0:07:37.520 --> 0:07:41.880 it was really good. Like you established that something happened, 0:07:42.040 --> 0:07:45.360 you know. Uh, there was a betrayal, you know, appearance 0:07:45.400 --> 0:07:48.040 on the betrayal where they went on this this whole thing. 0:07:48.120 --> 0:07:49.880 So I thought it was a good opening scene because 0:07:49.880 --> 0:07:52.360 you're just wondering, like, how do we get to where. 0:07:52.480 --> 0:07:56.520 We opened, you know anything jump out about to open. 0:07:56.360 --> 0:08:00.240 To you the opening Yeah, No, I thought that was 0:08:00.280 --> 0:08:03.320 pretty standard. I mean, as insulting as this might sounds, 0:08:03.480 --> 0:08:07.040 I think this movie really does just hinge. 0:08:06.840 --> 0:08:08.760 On the fact that there's a twist. Yeah, the rest 0:08:08.760 --> 0:08:10.720 of the movie, it's like Okay, it's a it's a 0:08:11.320 --> 0:08:12.760 decent movie with a great ending. 0:08:12.920 --> 0:08:17.600 Yeah, exactly, a perfect way. Yeah you know, yeah, yeah, 0:08:17.840 --> 0:08:19.240 write anything about the opening scene. 0:08:20.600 --> 0:08:22.960 Nothing, just that you noticed that, you know, they weren't 0:08:23.000 --> 0:08:27.600 trying to show the person that committed the crime basically, 0:08:27.880 --> 0:08:30.120 or that shot him or whatnot. So I was like, okay, 0:08:30.720 --> 0:08:32.120 Like I said, it was hard to kind of put 0:08:32.160 --> 0:08:35.120 my put my mind back into like the original state 0:08:35.280 --> 0:08:38.720 when I first watched it. So yeah, So we learned 0:08:38.720 --> 0:08:43.400 about what happened on the ship from verbal being uh 0:08:43.840 --> 0:08:49.880 interrogated by US Customs agent Dave ku Kuwan. He goes 0:08:49.960 --> 0:08:52.640 to a series of flashbacks to tell the story of 0:08:52.840 --> 0:08:57.199 what happened. Any clues anything that I know we kind 0:08:57.240 --> 0:08:59.360 of talked about a little bit, But was there anything 0:09:00.880 --> 0:09:04.199 Looking back at it the second time, they could have 0:09:04.280 --> 0:09:06.760 tipped you off or tipped us off the first time around. 0:09:07.880 --> 0:09:10.439 I remember watching it the second time because I was like, 0:09:10.720 --> 0:09:12.559 after watching the first time, I was like, wait, what 0:09:13.320 --> 0:09:16.080 huh that doesn't make any sense. But when I watched 0:09:16.080 --> 0:09:18.240 it the second time, I just walked away being like, 0:09:18.800 --> 0:09:20.319 every single thing in this movie is a lie. 0:09:21.400 --> 0:09:24.640 So every I don't know if there was interrogated all way. 0:09:24.640 --> 0:09:26.760 Oh yeah, I don't think he was telling the truth 0:09:26.800 --> 0:09:30.360 about anything. I don't know that he was actually even 0:09:30.400 --> 0:09:32.800 in the lineup. I don't know if he was actually 0:09:32.880 --> 0:09:35.839 ever at any of these robberies. At this point, he 0:09:36.040 --> 0:09:39.480 is such an unreliable narrator. I don't believe anything he says. 0:09:39.800 --> 0:09:41.480 And that's partly why I don't really give a fuck 0:09:41.520 --> 0:09:43.679 about the movie anymore, because it's just like, well, if 0:09:43.720 --> 0:09:45.600 everything's a lie, then what do I care to watch 0:09:45.640 --> 0:09:45.960 it again? 0:09:46.280 --> 0:09:48.240 And I also don't even know if he's really kiss 0:09:48.960 --> 0:09:52.720 that's interesting. I don't know. That is a really interesting point. Now. 0:09:52.760 --> 0:09:53.640 I'm with Mike though. 0:09:53.720 --> 0:09:56.280 Man, that's what made it so hard to watch, because 0:09:56.640 --> 0:09:58.400 they like said they revealed that at the end, like 0:09:58.520 --> 0:10:00.319 how he was just using shit he was seeing on 0:10:00.360 --> 0:10:04.160 the walls, seeing on fucking cups, Like like, wait, none 0:10:04.160 --> 0:10:06.280 of this shit is like real, like the Red the 0:10:06.400 --> 0:10:09.120 Red Hood or some shit like that wasn't even a 0:10:09.400 --> 0:10:13.079 real person. So when you're showing the flashbacks, it's like, 0:10:13.200 --> 0:10:16.079 did these situations actually happen or he just made. 0:10:16.080 --> 0:10:17.040 All of this ship up? 0:10:17.320 --> 0:10:17.400 Right? 0:10:18.200 --> 0:10:19.880 That's interesting? Can you think the same? 0:10:21.000 --> 0:10:23.080 I think watching it knowing that he made it up 0:10:23.160 --> 0:10:26.599 could be actually a dope way. I don't disagree with 0:10:26.600 --> 0:10:31.439 what they're saying, you know, but you know, knowing what 0:10:31.640 --> 0:10:33.719 you know and then watching it, but like, damn man, 0:10:33.840 --> 0:10:36.240 at this point he lying about this whole shit and 0:10:36.360 --> 0:10:38.439 he's just making this up in his head. It's kind 0:10:38.440 --> 0:10:40.160 of like when I watched The Dark Night, I'm like, bro, 0:10:40.320 --> 0:10:43.280 he planned all this shit out, Like every single. 0:10:43.320 --> 0:10:46.720 Point that everything's being has happened, he pre planned out. 0:10:46.800 --> 0:10:50.400 So for me, it led to the genius of the Joker, 0:10:50.960 --> 0:10:53.520 and this particularness is like, Yo, this is crazy that 0:10:53.600 --> 0:10:56.600 he's actually thinking of this ship in real fucking time 0:10:57.080 --> 0:10:58.920 if that's what's happening and just making. 0:10:58.800 --> 0:11:01.920 All this shit up. Do Yeah, I agree with one 0:11:01.960 --> 0:11:02.360 hundred percent. 0:11:02.400 --> 0:11:04.200 I think it's insane and it's hard to look at 0:11:04.320 --> 0:11:07.960 again once you know that he's making everything up. Similar 0:11:08.040 --> 0:11:09.920 I keep comparing it to the sixth Sense, Like once 0:11:09.960 --> 0:11:11.640 you see it and you know he did, it's like 0:11:11.800 --> 0:11:15.160 so painfully obvious that the movie not good anymore. Like 0:11:15.280 --> 0:11:17.160 you see six Cents for the third time, you're like, 0:11:17.679 --> 0:11:19.280 why did they get me? Yeah? 0:11:19.400 --> 0:11:22.200 So it was just crazy. 0:11:22.360 --> 0:11:25.640 So same thing with this, You're like, okay, gotcha, all right? 0:11:25.720 --> 0:11:28.000 So we see how the lineups, or we see how 0:11:28.040 --> 0:11:31.280 the crew is put together. Six weeks ago, five criminals 0:11:31.360 --> 0:11:33.520 they were in the lineup together, and they start planning 0:11:33.559 --> 0:11:35.680 for a heist or so they say to your point, 0:11:36.480 --> 0:11:39.679 like Kevin Spacey said, Uh, did you guys, despite the 0:11:39.800 --> 0:11:42.240 tension that they had, did y'all think that the plan 0:11:42.400 --> 0:11:43.840 was gonna work? Did it sound like a good plan? 0:11:43.960 --> 0:11:45.800 Any thoughts about the plan that they were putting together? 0:11:47.360 --> 0:11:50.920 Nothing? I don't even remember the exact plan the plan 0:11:51.000 --> 0:11:54.960 of robbers boat. Let's when they put the plan together. 0:11:55.600 --> 0:11:59.439 About the final plan yeap yo, I mean, yeah, it 0:11:59.520 --> 0:12:02.559 was fine. I guess it's gonna be hard. 0:12:02.640 --> 0:12:04.439 Moved a review because, like I said, that's what I 0:12:04.559 --> 0:12:06.439 was thinking when as I was watching it. I'm like, 0:12:06.520 --> 0:12:09.240 it's gonna be hard to talk about this. There really 0:12:09.360 --> 0:12:12.319 is nothing there but the end. Everything else is just 0:12:12.440 --> 0:12:15.640 him telling a fake story. Well, I can't remember like 0:12:15.720 --> 0:12:18.040 the details of the plant because because then they do 0:12:18.160 --> 0:12:20.080 something before them, because all of. 0:12:20.080 --> 0:12:22.560 Them were they were all least line up. They were 0:12:22.559 --> 0:12:23.200 all criminals. 0:12:23.679 --> 0:12:27.559 Yeah, but they they were all round up for a 0:12:27.679 --> 0:12:33.480 lineup for a lineup? What but why like something somebody 0:12:33.600 --> 0:12:37.760 robbed something like why them. Did ka set all that up? 0:12:38.200 --> 0:12:41.679 I thought they just paid people for Yeah, but was 0:12:41.760 --> 0:12:44.319 this whole this whole so the thing I was asking like, 0:12:44.480 --> 0:12:48.559 was this a whole elaborate ruse to get these specific individuals, 0:12:49.520 --> 0:12:51.960 you know, to do this? Like did he pay somebody 0:12:52.320 --> 0:12:57.920 in the police department to go target the four of 0:12:58.280 --> 0:13:02.679 them and in order to trick them into doing the 0:13:02.800 --> 0:13:03.640 boat robbery? 0:13:03.800 --> 0:13:06.520 Later? So did Kevin Spacey's character? 0:13:06.679 --> 0:13:09.439 Did Kevin Spacey set this whole thing up way in 0:13:09.559 --> 0:13:13.760 the beginning because they all had a connection to Kaisa. 0:13:13.960 --> 0:13:17.319 Which he revealed later, right, right, how so? 0:13:17.679 --> 0:13:19.480 But again, we don't know if this story is true 0:13:19.600 --> 0:13:22.599 in the movie. That's the problem happenstance. But we do 0:13:22.840 --> 0:13:25.400 know they all were on the boat. We don't know 0:13:25.480 --> 0:13:28.640 because everybody was burned up, right, that's right. Yeah, they 0:13:28.679 --> 0:13:29.440 all were burnt up. 0:13:30.040 --> 0:13:33.560 That's right. Yeah they were. 0:13:33.600 --> 0:13:35.640 The burnt up guy said that though, Yeah, on the boat, 0:13:35.880 --> 0:13:38.200 that's right, the burnt up guy that could still talk. 0:13:38.800 --> 0:13:39.880 He said, all their names. 0:13:40.040 --> 0:13:41.360 I don't know if he's in all their names, but 0:13:41.559 --> 0:13:44.920 he kind of implied that at least the final part happened. 0:13:45.480 --> 0:13:48.880 Is everything before that, Yeah, everything in the middle is 0:13:49.920 --> 0:13:53.199 where like yeah, you be your ah or whatever his 0:13:53.360 --> 0:13:56.040 name is. All that ship like when they rolled up 0:13:56.080 --> 0:13:58.760 on the cops and because what was that mission when 0:13:58.760 --> 0:13:59.480 they they. 0:13:59.440 --> 0:14:02.320 Would rupt cops in a taxi scam job. So they 0:14:02.360 --> 0:14:08.600 were robbing corrupt talking man, yeah, talking kid. 0:14:08.679 --> 0:14:11.760 It's crazy because like they short at the end, he 0:14:11.920 --> 0:14:15.880 was just making up this ship as he went, yeah, 0:14:16.200 --> 0:14:17.880 do y'all think, dude that they jump into the end 0:14:17.880 --> 0:14:19.920 little but y'all think he figured it out the detective. 0:14:20.520 --> 0:14:22.120 Yeah, yeah, he figured out at the end, he was like, 0:14:22.200 --> 0:14:24.440 this is mock. Just played me. He did say that, 0:14:24.920 --> 0:14:28.560 remember me dropped and then we saw something else in 0:14:28.600 --> 0:14:32.600 the coffee cup that he made up. Okay, So so 0:14:32.760 --> 0:14:36.960 the taxi scam that ship was was bro He made 0:14:37.000 --> 0:14:37.600 that ship up too. 0:14:37.640 --> 0:14:42.520 I remember the taxi went robbing the corrupt cops. They 0:14:42.560 --> 0:14:45.080 were robbing corrupt cops in the taxi scam. They putting 0:14:45.080 --> 0:14:47.880 it to set the ship on fire. Yeah, why don't I. 0:14:47.920 --> 0:14:48.600 Remember that part? 0:14:49.240 --> 0:14:51.200 Because then there was the van in front of him 0:14:51.640 --> 0:14:53.800 and then I think Kevin Spacey one of them were 0:14:53.840 --> 0:14:56.160 in the in the in the in the masks and. 0:14:56.200 --> 0:14:58.280 They but okay, I remember that they had to shoot 0:14:58.280 --> 0:15:00.520 the guy because Yeah, no, not that's different. That's a 0:15:00.560 --> 0:15:04.640 different one. That was a jewelry heist. Yeah, that was different. Yeah, 0:15:04.640 --> 0:15:04.800 it was. 0:15:04.880 --> 0:15:06.880 It was a cop so they had they basically had 0:15:06.920 --> 0:15:11.800 the barricade barricaded in like they had a cornered and 0:15:11.840 --> 0:15:14.120 they couldn't get out. And then they just basically uh, 0:15:14.480 --> 0:15:16.240 he was like, oh, you're gonna You're gonna regret this, 0:15:16.400 --> 0:15:18.440 you know what I'm doing on him and they poured 0:15:18.480 --> 0:15:20.680 all the stuff on the on the cop hers that 0:15:20.760 --> 0:15:22.360 bitch on fire and they just got a car. It 0:15:22.480 --> 0:15:24.960 wasn't even harm it was just on the ground, yep. 0:15:25.000 --> 0:15:26.960 Because it was somebody in the end. Because he was like, 0:15:27.400 --> 0:15:29.520 would this get me to Staten Island where he was going. 0:15:29.560 --> 0:15:31.520 He was like, man, let's get you do whatever he said, 0:15:32.200 --> 0:15:35.880 and they robbed the taxi scam. But they all working together, right, yes, 0:15:36.720 --> 0:15:40.000 according to him him, and then they decided to do 0:15:40.160 --> 0:15:43.240 the taxi scam. So I guess after so we said, 0:15:43.320 --> 0:15:46.840 like after the lineup, they decided to partner together. 0:15:46.640 --> 0:15:50.160 To rob a little networking uh crime network. 0:15:50.040 --> 0:15:53.240 According to verbal Camp, and that's how they all ended 0:15:53.320 --> 0:15:55.680 up working together. And they were just committing these sets 0:15:55.720 --> 0:15:58.520 of robberies throughout this old thing. And then from there, 0:15:58.760 --> 0:16:02.520 Calbashi delivered envelopes to the ordering them. 0:16:02.640 --> 0:16:06.040 What's his name is that, right, Kyobashi? Kobashi? Uh. He 0:16:06.160 --> 0:16:10.080 delivers the envelopes, ordered them to work for the shadowy. Kayja. 0:16:10.160 --> 0:16:13.040 So say, did y'all pep that the envelopes are delivered 0:16:13.080 --> 0:16:14.680 in the same order that the suspects die. 0:16:16.400 --> 0:16:18.720 I did the same order that they died, and they 0:16:18.800 --> 0:16:22.600 delivered the envelopes. That's that's yeah. So even then le 0:16:23.120 --> 0:16:27.000 play into right, that was gonna at it. 0:16:27.160 --> 0:16:29.880 Yeah, so, and and the lawyer just made this guy 0:16:29.960 --> 0:16:32.440 is completely made up, you know. So he went and 0:16:32.640 --> 0:16:36.280 he went in okay, yeah, but this is when when 0:16:36.320 --> 0:16:40.280 they rounded all of them up right at this point, yeah, 0:16:40.600 --> 0:16:41.960 to work for ka. 0:16:43.880 --> 0:16:45.400 Right, that's when he was rounding them up and passing 0:16:45.440 --> 0:16:46.840 out the envelope getting them on the boat. But he 0:16:46.920 --> 0:16:50.040 asked them to do the Was this the jury heightst? No, 0:16:50.240 --> 0:16:52.240 this was the boat what you're talking about when he 0:16:52.280 --> 0:16:53.400 gave out the envelopes. 0:16:53.520 --> 0:16:56.000 Now remember, okay, so remember there was another heightst that 0:16:56.160 --> 0:16:58.440 they did together. I remember they ended up. 0:16:58.400 --> 0:17:00.400 Shooting everybody because that was what your heights. 0:17:01.360 --> 0:17:03.160 No, there were two heights. Then there were two things. 0:17:03.800 --> 0:17:07.920 Are those connected? Remember the cop car right when he 0:17:07.960 --> 0:17:08.640 set it on fire. 0:17:08.760 --> 0:17:12.200 And then there was the garage scene, right. 0:17:13.720 --> 0:17:16.359 Remember I do remember, and there was a guy they 0:17:16.480 --> 0:17:18.840 shot they because remember they were struggle. 0:17:18.840 --> 0:17:20.280 They were wrestling with one of the guys and he 0:17:20.320 --> 0:17:22.800 had the two guns, and that was that was part 0:17:22.840 --> 0:17:25.119 of the heist, right right? Oh, all that was connected. 0:17:25.160 --> 0:17:29.200 I thought that was. It's described in this call it 0:17:29.280 --> 0:17:30.160 it's part of the heist. 0:17:30.480 --> 0:17:32.760 That's why I thought also that this was all bullshit 0:17:33.560 --> 0:17:35.359 because I was like, this was the only part that 0:17:35.520 --> 0:17:38.480 was so unrealistic, Like. 0:17:40.080 --> 0:17:43.159 I was like, oh, he's lying, this didn't happen, like 0:17:45.720 --> 0:17:48.879 trick shots. Get out of here. But I thought this 0:17:49.200 --> 0:17:52.959 was what put them on the radar of Kaiso Sosa, 0:17:53.880 --> 0:17:54.440 I think it was. 0:17:54.520 --> 0:17:57.160 And then he passed out the letters to them according 0:17:57.240 --> 0:18:00.919 to again the Unreliable Nerror, so maybe they didn't even 0:18:00.920 --> 0:18:04.760 even happen. But then from the Jerry Heights they get 0:18:04.760 --> 0:18:07.840 the letters in the order of their death. From there 0:18:07.840 --> 0:18:10.600 they get on the boat, they got their final mission ownership. 0:18:11.080 --> 0:18:13.760 Chaos ensued as far as them going through the whole thing, 0:18:13.920 --> 0:18:16.840 and we see them die one by one and wonder 0:18:16.880 --> 0:18:17.280 who did it? 0:18:17.280 --> 0:18:21.560 And you hear him telling the story and yeah, what 0:18:21.680 --> 0:18:23.880 y'all think about that? About the whole time on the boat, 0:18:24.960 --> 0:18:26.240 this was anticlimactic to me. 0:18:26.560 --> 0:18:29.879 It was it's a hard watch now and reviewing it, like, 0:18:29.960 --> 0:18:31.399 I was worried the whole time. I was like, what 0:18:31.440 --> 0:18:35.520 we're gonna talk about about this move? Because it's the ending. 0:18:35.600 --> 0:18:37.120 It's just the ending. 0:18:37.359 --> 0:18:40.159 It was more so because they The only one that 0:18:40.280 --> 0:18:41.960 I think went out in kind of a cool way 0:18:42.840 --> 0:18:45.560 was the dude I can't remember his name, but he 0:18:45.680 --> 0:18:47.960 was the dude that was looking over the money and 0:18:48.000 --> 0:18:49.320 then all of a sudden, you just see a shot 0:18:49.400 --> 0:18:52.880 pop off. That was actually a cool death, but everybody 0:18:52.920 --> 0:18:55.960 else is kind of just died, And I was like, well, 0:18:56.119 --> 0:18:58.440 that's really kind of weak. 0:18:58.720 --> 0:19:00.960 It kind of speaks to your point him being so vague. 0:19:01.240 --> 0:19:03.680 They probably may have died a different way, but he 0:19:03.760 --> 0:19:07.119 was so vaguaby because he maybe didn't know or or 0:19:07.880 --> 0:19:09.080 uh this. 0:19:09.320 --> 0:19:13.360 Was actually verbal Kent killing all of them one by one. 0:19:14.080 --> 0:19:16.359 Well that's that's what it seems like. But it was 0:19:16.440 --> 0:19:21.520 just boring deaths, like random, like there's ninety. 0:19:21.320 --> 0:19:24.080 Five but yeah, and then like Buddy comes out and 0:19:24.160 --> 0:19:25.879 he's like stabbed in the neck and it's like. 0:19:26.000 --> 0:19:27.480