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Speaker 1: Sa Hammery Nigel Show. My name is Nigel. It's Jason

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Speaker 1: Hammer over there. Colts lose on the road to the

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Speaker 1: Steelers twenty seven to twenty. I'm pretty confident in saying

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Speaker 1: that it wasn't really even that close, would you agree Hammer?

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Speaker 2: Unfortunately that's the case. But let's defer to our expert here,

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Speaker 2: Kevin Bowen, part of the morning show over at our

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Speaker 2: sister sports station one oh seven to five. The fan

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Speaker 2: KB that final score says it was a one possession game,

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Speaker 2: but boy, it didn't feel like it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, anytime you have six turnovers in a game,

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Speaker 3: it definitely feels like it's probably a much bigger margin

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Speaker 3: than it is on the scoreboard. So really it all turned.

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Speaker 3: I thought when TJ. Watt, you know, stripped Daniel Jones

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Speaker 3: there early in the second quarter, I thought the Colts

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Speaker 3: were well in their way to building another multi score

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Speaker 3: first half lead, and was kind of used to the

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Speaker 3: same old, same old. But now here we are having

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Speaker 3: a little bit of a different Monday conversation than we've

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Speaker 2: So let's get into what went wrong all season long

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Speaker 2: that the whole offense has been clicking, The offensive line

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Speaker 2: was giving time to Daniel Jones. Yesterday they were able

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Speaker 2: to take Jonathan Taylor out of the game. Daniel Jones

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Speaker 2: was making some bad decisions. That offensive line seemed like

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Speaker 2: it was Swiss cheese.

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Speaker 3: What happened. Yeah, I think the root of it is

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Speaker 3: right there. It is the offensive line, which has been,

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Speaker 3: I would argue, one of the best units for the

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Speaker 3: Colts this season. But you know, obviously the pass protection,

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Speaker 3: I think it's pretty easy to see. And you know,

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Speaker 3: I brought up that TJ Watt the strip of Daniel

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Speaker 3: Jones earlier, but I also think the inability to establish

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Speaker 3: Johnson Taylor was a big, big problem. You know, I

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Speaker 3: thought it hurt a lot of Colts fans. You know, hey,

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Speaker 3: Shane Stige is not establishing you know, Jonathan Taylor enough.

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Speaker 3: And you know, I felt like it's kind of typical

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Speaker 3: Shane's m oh this season. He is very, very adopting

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Speaker 3: run to win. And when they did run Taylor in

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Speaker 3: that first half, his longest game I think was six yards.

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Speaker 3: He had eight carries in the first half. In the

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Speaker 3: third quarter, they gave it to him six times, which

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Speaker 3: by that point the score had kind of gotten out

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Speaker 3: of hand and you had to throw it to get

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Speaker 3: poor offensive line, to me, it's both those things. It

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Speaker 3: is the inability to you know, control the line of

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Speaker 3: but then also holding up in pass protection with some

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Speaker 3: really critical critical issues there. So yeah, easily the worst

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Speaker 1: One big name sports commentator who shall remain nameless, kind

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Speaker 1: of encapsulated the irrational, passionate Colts fan in me when

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Speaker 1: he wrote these words across the Colts off the Super

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Speaker 1: Bowl contender list, puke City. Daniel Jones just bleeped us, all,

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Speaker 1: are we tuck me off a lit? We're not there yet,

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Speaker 1: are we. That's that's just that's the irrational Colts fan

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I like to think that, you know, nine games

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Speaker 3: into a season, a seven to one start probably earns

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Speaker 3: you a little bit of the benefit of the doubt.

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Speaker 3: You know, honestly, this conversation could just blow down to

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Speaker 3: me saying, yeah, the Cult had six turnovers, and then

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Speaker 3: I was hanging up and talking again next Monday. Like

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Speaker 3: you know, so much of it is just rooted in that.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if you guys remember this game, but

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Speaker 3: the last time they had six turnovers in a game

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Speaker 3: was eighteen years ago when Peyton Manning threw six interceptions

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Speaker 3: still almost won that game as Terry missed a twenty

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Speaker 3: So that's how long it has been. Now. I will

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Speaker 3: these are more of the teams I think you're going

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Speaker 3: They'll go to a Germany next week and take on

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Speaker 3: You're at Jacksonville, You're at Seattle. Those are three of

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Speaker 2: Chatting with Kevin Bowen from one O seven to five

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Speaker 2: to fan here, Daniel Jones yesterday, all right, he was

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Speaker 2: Daniel Jones that we kept hearing about in the offseason, right,

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Speaker 2: That was the New York Giants. Daniel Jones yesterday, was

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Speaker 3: I do think so much of it was rooted in

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Speaker 3: Now to the first eight games, he's been the opposite.

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Speaker 1: The attitude after for a team after a game like that,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm I'm definitely with denied. You have to fully

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Speaker 3: But you know, this whole league will be watching at

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Speaker 3: maybe you don't, you know, win the turnover margin to

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Speaker 2: From yesterday, KB, let's pivot to the Pacers and look,

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Speaker 2: with the injuries that are taking place, I don't think

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Speaker 2: anticipating a very interesting response when Miles Turner gets introduced

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Speaker 3: KB.

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Speaker 2: This kind of goes along with the trend. Paul George

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Speaker 2: crapping all over the organization. I'm sorry, Miles Turner crapping

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Speaker 3: the Pacers, and when Tyree Taliburton tore his achilles, all

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Speaker 3: luxury tax is not there. As all of this unfolded,

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Speaker 3: the Milwaukee Bucks came in and they offered a contract.

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Speaker 3: If you believe the numbers, four years, one hundred and

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Speaker 3: That is a huge difference. And so that is how

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Speaker 3: How do you want to put it by the Milwaukee

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I listened to the full interview. I think I

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Speaker 3: was just kind of a bit of a snippet there

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Speaker 3: that was that was pulled out. I think there was

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Speaker 3: a ton of praise around Halliburton for that and was

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Speaker 3: more of just like, this is a really you know,

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Speaker 3: per se. There's some March Sanchez joking there, but Haliburton

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Speaker 3: is going to be you know, fighting guys or you know,

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Speaker 3: maybe talking as much as he does on the course.

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Speaker 3: So look, fans by all means boo and I probably

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Speaker 3: would boo him too. That's the beauty of being a fan,

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Speaker 3: you know. We are so passionate about our own and

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Speaker 3: all of that. But at the end of the day,

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Speaker 3: I'll probably look back on the Turner career when it's

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Speaker 3: all said and done and say, you know what nice

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Speaker 3: ten pretty good years. Wasn't probably isn't as good of

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Speaker 3: a player as he thinks he is, and that's why

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Speaker 3: he was in trade rumors and that's why he didn't

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Speaker 3: get some megae hundred million dollar deal. But you know what,

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Speaker 3: Turner's block was great and it's pretty rare to be

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Speaker 3: a ten year starter pretty much anywhere in today's NBA.

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Speaker 3: But for tonight, by all means let the venom out

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Speaker 3: and create a little bit of a unique atmosphere inside

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Speaker 2: Just a couple of seconds left here, KB, because we're

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Speaker 2: running a little bit behind. But how has he been

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Speaker 3: Yeah, a little bit of a struggle, to be honest

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Speaker 3: with you, No, has not lived up for the contract

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Speaker 3: is by the fairest way to say that has not

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Speaker 3: shot it well. So I'll be really interested. You know,

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Speaker 3: Miles Turner embracing the villain role is not something I

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Speaker 3: think suits him. So how he plays tonight I think

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Speaker 3: will be fascinating. Frankly, the Pacers need another win.

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Speaker 2: What's coming up on your show tomorrow, Rick.

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Speaker 3: Carlile at eight, so we will chat with him about

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Speaker 3: everything that happens tonight inside of a Gambridge show thousand.

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Speaker 3: We'll actually have Malaney low Colts, director Football Ops on

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Speaker 3: our show at nine. It is a whole lot to

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Speaker 3: go through to send a team to Germany to play

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Speaker 3: in the NFL. So the Colts will fly out Thursday night,

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Speaker 3: so we'll get a little bit behind the scenes of

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Speaker 3: what it's like to travel an NFL team across the Pond.

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Speaker 2: One O seven five the Fan, that's Kevin Bowen, part

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Speaker 2: of the morning show KB.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, you bet, thank you