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Speaker 1: And grand rising family, and thanks for starting your week

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Speaker 1: with us again. Later, Morgan State University Professor Ray Wimbush

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Speaker 1: will take over our classroom.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: Doctor Wimbush will analyze Trump's attack on Iran, the Epstein files,

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Speaker 1: and tomorrow's elections in Texas. Also the legacy of the

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Speaker 1: late Reverend Jesse Jackson. But toget A started momentary. We'll

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Speaker 1: speak with humanitarian activist entrepreneur brother Saint Clair Skinner. But firstly,

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Speaker 1: Kevin over these classroom doors to get this party started.

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Speaker 1: Grand rising, Kevin.

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Speaker 3: Grand rising, indeed, cal Nelson, rise and shine and give

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Speaker 3: glory because it is a new month. This is the

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Speaker 3: month of March, and it's the second day of March

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Speaker 4: And how are you feeling.

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Speaker 1: Carl, Hey, I'm still learning. I'm learning. We made it

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Speaker 1: to March. Yeah, third month already, I'm telling you.

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Speaker 3: And you know he didn't have to do it, but

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Speaker 4: What are your thoughts? Where are we now, Carl.

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you nobody probably knows because we're in on

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Speaker 1: We're not even this thing hasn't even started. That's what

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Speaker 1: these you know, who these folks are, where they are

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Speaker 1: welcome back to the program.

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Speaker 2: Oh Grand Rising, Good brothers, good brothers. Thank you so

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Speaker 2: much for having Monday.

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Speaker 1: Happy money to you. You know, we're talking about the economy,

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Speaker 2: organizing consciences of vectors like you know, that was the

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Speaker 2: days where we had to sign up for the draft. Still,

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Speaker 2: you know, we had to go to the post office.

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Speaker 2: So I'm just saying, you know, if somebody's responsible human being,

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Speaker 2: people talk about America first versus Israel first or whatever.

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Speaker 2: I'm a human being first. I pray to one God.

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Speaker 2: I don't pray to a flag. You know, when people

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Speaker 2: talk about man made countries are man made, not God made.

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Speaker 2: So to be clear, I'm going to definitely pray the

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Speaker 2: one God, And I asked you, what would Jesus do

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Speaker 2: if you believe in Jesus, whoever you believe in, what

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Speaker 2: would they do in this situation? And again, wars the problem,

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Speaker 2: not the answer. And again I'm not a pacifist. I'm

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Speaker 2: a concealed and carry person. You better be prepared to

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Speaker 2: come to my house. But my point is these are failures.

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Speaker 2: These are not a sign of societies that are doing well.

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Speaker 2: This is the sign of a decline of a society

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Speaker 2: where someone who even have to feel that they would

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Speaker 2: have to protect themselves and put these things in their

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Speaker 2: own hands. So again I would just say that as

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Speaker 2: US taxpayers, what we can do for the folks who

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Speaker 2: are suffering in the world is making sure that we're

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Speaker 2: more in getting as African people, we're a product of

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Speaker 2: bad American policy. I mean they translatic slave trade was

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Speaker 2: American foreign policy in Africa. We should be more involved

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Speaker 2: in domestic and foreign policy of the US government along

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Speaker 2: as we're paying taxes. And again, be clear, if you

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Speaker 2: don't vote, government doesn't care about that. Don't pay your taxes.

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Speaker 2: You'll see what they really concerned about. So I think

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Speaker 2: it's important if you're a taxpayer to not let your

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Speaker 2: money go into F thirty five and make them tell

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Speaker 2: you this is good for jobs. We get this plenty

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Speaker 2: of other jobs besides making you know, weapons of mass destruction.

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Speaker 2: I worked for McDonald, Douglas, Boeing. Now with the F

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Speaker 2: eighteen Harrier, you know, I quit. I had to go.

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Speaker 2: I went back to school. I'm not going to participate.

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Speaker 2: And we have agency. We don't have to be victims.

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Speaker 2: We can make decisions every day, we can speak out.

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Speaker 2: And again, some people are in different I'm an entrepreneur

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Speaker 2: and have a track record in that respect. But if

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Speaker 2: everyone has a way that they can actually show their sign,

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Speaker 2: this is not right. Just figure it out, you know,

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Speaker 2: whatever your talents are, whatever your background.

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Speaker 6: Don't go along.

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Speaker 2: Like when people ask like, well, how is it back

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Speaker 2: in slavery or how was it when this thing was

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Speaker 2: going on, you kind of act like you don't understand

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Speaker 2: how people would tolerate that. Well, we're tolerating genocide right now,

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Speaker 2: the oppression of our own people right now. And all

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Speaker 2: the marketist vineyards, all the fancy award shows. I think

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Speaker 2: there's beautiful. I think our expression as a people is uncomparable.

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Speaker 2: We're amazing we do need to make sure in every

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Speaker 2: field of human endeavor that we're amazing in. Though we

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Speaker 2: can't just pick and choose, we should try to make

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Speaker 2: sure with who we are and show up at every level.

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Speaker 2: And it's just not about crime for children in God,

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Speaker 2: not in my name, but you're not going to kill

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Speaker 2: these people in using my tax dollars. So again, I

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Speaker 2: think the regime changed. Has that happened in November. I

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Speaker 2: think the Democrats and Republicans are two wings of the

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Speaker 2: same bird. I think we need to make sure that

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Speaker 2: the primaries that everyone that's out there should get primary

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Speaker 2: with someone who's for justice, somebody who's for anti war,

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Speaker 2: anti oppression and pro reparations. And we can do that,

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Speaker 2: like that's the part they want us to feel like

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Speaker 2: there's no way we can get out of this. The

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Speaker 2: Epstein people that we saw were living in a way

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Speaker 2: where they were trying to disguise who they are. We

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Speaker 2: know who they are. The same powerful men two hundred

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Speaker 2: and fifty years have been molesting children. I mean Thomas Jefferson.

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Speaker 2: We're clear that what he did to Sally was not consensual.

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Speaker 2: If you don't have the power to say no, that's

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Speaker 2: that's that's right. So that's not consensual. So we know

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Speaker 2: in this country that powerful men have abused people, our people,

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Speaker 2: and we've been able to resist and still come out

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Speaker 2: on this side of it. We got to continue to resistance.

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Speaker 2: We got it.

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Speaker 1: Holdout right there, because I got two interesting tweets for you,

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Speaker 1: brother Saint clat from some of our listeners. Yeah, no problem,

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Speaker 1: but they're taken us back. And one lester that once

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Speaker 1: it gets your reaction, this is just a Trump just

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Speaker 1: soliized States military for the for the price of a

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Speaker 1: luxury jet and some crypto deals and American soldiers now

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Speaker 1: finding a war that Saudi Arabia guitar and EU I

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Speaker 1: E A I and that and how were bought and

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Speaker 1: paid for And once gets your reaction to that first, Yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 2: Once you see what he's doing with these so called

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Speaker 2: stable coins. What you're seeing is that the US debt

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Speaker 2: is so high. With these cryptos that they're creating, they're

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Speaker 2: allowing people to quote unquote get exposure to the US

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Speaker 2: dollar through crypto. They have a thing called tether where

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Speaker 2: literally they say if you buy one tether, it's equivalent

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Speaker 2: to one dollar. And the way they allegedly say that

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Speaker 2: is because they got treasury bills as well as dollars

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Speaker 2: in the bank that allegedly are one to one. Okay,

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Speaker 2: this real quick. Banks have fractional reserves. They don't have

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Speaker 2: the tole amount of money that they loan out. They're

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Speaker 2: allowed to by the government. If they loan out a

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Speaker 2: million dollars, they can just have two hundred and fifty

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Speaker 2: thousand dollars, so they don't have to have the same

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Speaker 2: equal amount of the money that they put out there.

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Speaker 2: With tether and these cryptos, they allegedly have one to

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Speaker 2: one and it's a way to prop up the dollar

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Speaker 2: using crypto. Again, I'm a bigcoin maximust but that's a

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Speaker 2: different story. But there are playing games just like they

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Speaker 2: have been with manipulating the dollar, and they'll use whatever technologies.

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Speaker 7: Again, the swift banking.

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Speaker 2: System is the technology. So when I hear people talking

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Speaker 2: about they're anti crypto, I think you should be skeptical

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Speaker 2: of everything, and that's including the credit card, the banks, everybody.

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Speaker 2: We don't just pick and choose. Try to be skeptical

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Speaker 2: and use your brain and be rational, logical, and less emotional.

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Speaker 2: With that being said, just know that the process that

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Speaker 2: we're talking about is less about the tech and more

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Speaker 2: about the intentions of the folks that are using it.

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Speaker 2: The tech is just tech. It's neither good nor bad.

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Speaker 2: It's up to us. And I think that's why it's important.

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Speaker 2: What we're doing in crypto is to educate our people,

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Speaker 2: not how to be consumers in a digital way, is

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Speaker 2: to understand the technology underlining all this and see what

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Speaker 2: you can do to use these tools to improve the

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Speaker 2: quality of life our communities.

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Speaker 1: Well, I don't jump in here and ask you this

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Speaker 1: on the crypt You learn it, you learn it, and.

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Speaker 2: You don't like it, that's fine, But don't let it

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Speaker 2: be because somebody got you caught up with some emotional

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Speaker 2: stuff talking about don't deal with technology, and you're on

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Speaker 2: your cell phone, which is technology? Hello that you don't

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Speaker 2: even know how your cell phone work? How to pick

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Speaker 2: the work? While is your cell phone? What's voice over IP?

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Speaker 5: Me?

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Speaker 2: What is that? So I'm saying we should be more rigorous.

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Speaker 2: I think you should question crypto, question everything, though, will

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Speaker 2: be more empowered.

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Speaker 1: Me let me jump here and ask you this though.

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Speaker 1: So the question on crypto is it a good buy

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Speaker 1: right that you know? Straight up? Is it a good

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Speaker 1: to get involved?

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Speaker 5: Right?

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Speaker 1: Now or should you set it out?

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Speaker 2: I don't. I don't get financial advice. But bigcoins at

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Speaker 2: a discount right now. Look I've bought. I'm not gonna

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Speaker 2: say what I've done, but literally bigcoin has gone down

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Speaker 2: and it's a discount right now, it's gonna go back up.

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Speaker 2: This is how it was done Bitcoin. I'm saying the

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Speaker 2: ones that I involved, don't. I don't get involved in

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Speaker 2: these these piece stuff. Many, if not all, these other

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Speaker 2: cryptos are trading off the reputation of Bitcoin, saying away.

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Speaker 2: Because Bitcoin doesn't have a centralized company that's promoting it,

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Speaker 2: because Satosha ncam Mored has not revealed herself to everyone,

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Speaker 2: there's no one advocating or protecting the brand the bitcoin.

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Speaker 2: Bitcoin just works exceptionally well. It's the most successful blockchain

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Speaker 2: application in history. Other folks, instead of trying to mind Bitcoin,

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Speaker 2: which is very expensive, decided they would say, look, I

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Speaker 2: got something like bitcoin, not as they even had any

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Speaker 2: thing called light coin like. They will use the reputation saying, oh,

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Speaker 2: you may have missed bitcoins, but here's my Boo boo

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Speaker 2: coin or cat coin or dog coin, and you get

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Speaker 2: in now and you could be like bitcoin. None of

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Speaker 2: these are like bitcoin, there's only one Denzel Washington.

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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, right, and hold up thought

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Speaker 1: like that because we're got to check the Lady Snows

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Speaker 1: and find out what's going on there wrong. Before that,

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Speaker 1: I got another. As I mentioned, I got a couple

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Speaker 1: of tweets for you. This one's from Lisa and Baltimore.

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Speaker 1: It's just wanted a chart on this and started listening

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Speaker 1: to us. As soon as we got into Baltimore. She says,

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Speaker 1: Brother Sinclair, how bad is this situation and what should

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Speaker 1: we be doing individually to survive what the Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: has started? The invasion that Donald Trump has started. So

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Speaker 1: I'll let you respond to that when we get back.

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Speaker 1: After we checked the news trafficking weather in our different cities,

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Speaker 1: it's twenty three minutes away from the top day. Our family,

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Speaker 1: thanks for waking up with us in morning. You want

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Speaker 1: to get in on this conversation with our guest, the

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Speaker 1: Saint Clair Skinner, reach out to us at eight hundred

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Speaker 1: four five zero seventy eight seventy six and we'll take

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Speaker 1: it phone calls after we check the news. That's next

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Speaker 1: and Grand Rising family, thanks for waking up with us

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Speaker 1: on this Monday morning, the second day of March. Our

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Speaker 1: guest is brother Saint Clair Skinner. He's a world traveler's

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Speaker 1: an entrepreneur. It's also an activist out of Washington, DC.

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Speaker 1: Before we go back to no let me just remind you.

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Speaker 1: Coming up later this morning, we're going to speak with

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Speaker 1: Morgan State University professor doctor Ray Winbers. We're going to

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Speaker 1: talk with a lot of stuff on what's going on Iran,

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Speaker 1: also the Epstein files, so the election is going to

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Speaker 1: take place primary election in Texas and is Also we're

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Speaker 1: going to talk about the Reverend Jesse Jackson's legacy. And

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Speaker 1: later this week we're joined by the University Houston's professor,

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Speaker 1: doctor Gerald Horne. Also Olympian doctor John Carlos will be here.

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Speaker 1: Barry Gordy Sunwll Jonas as well. That's Kerry Gordy. He's

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Speaker 1: gonna be talk music and entertainment with Kerrie and two

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Speaker 1: of Henry head of Laxis relatives also be here. You know,

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Speaker 1: they just completed a deal with all these companies using

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Speaker 1: her cells and they just completed the deal. They're going

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Speaker 1: to share the information about that deal anyways, So make

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Speaker 1: sure if you are in Baltimore you're Radio's Lottin Tight

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Speaker 1: on ten ten WLB, or if you're in the DMV family,

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Speaker 1: we're on fourteen fifty WL. All right, brother Saint Claire.

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Speaker 1: Before we left, I mentioned at Lisa, one of our

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Speaker 1: charter listeners out of Baltimore's, a question was how bad

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Speaker 1: is the situation? What should we do individually to survive

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Speaker 1: this invasion? And she added this piece while doing the break,

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Speaker 1: where should we be putting our money?

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I think you know, if you're to ask me,

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Speaker 2: I'm a big boy maximums type person, but I think

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Speaker 2: whatever you do, you know, the US dollars, the store

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Speaker 2: value is going to be seeing more challenges. You see

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Speaker 2: people going to other commodities that are universally accepted. So

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Speaker 2: you know, I don't do financial advice, but I think,

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Speaker 2: you know, the stock market, anything that's based on the

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Speaker 2: current system, which is going to be changing rapidly, I

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Speaker 2: think you should be skeptical.

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Speaker 5: You know.

648
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:18,720
Speaker 2: I think also my travels, you know, being in different countries,

649
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:21,960
Speaker 2: making sure that you have a more than one option.

650
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 2: You know, colonialism, slavery one of the things that did

651
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 2: it literally restricted our movement. God didn't curse us to

652
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:32,879
Speaker 2: live in one place. Even when we talk about going

653
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:35,320
Speaker 2: back to Africa, it's not on Mars. I mean, you

654
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:38,239
Speaker 2: literally can be in Joe Burgh, get a flight out

655
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:40,399
Speaker 2: at six in the morning and be in New York

656
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 2: City by the afternoon. Like it's not And it doesn't

657
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:46,399
Speaker 2: mean you have to be in one place all year round.

658
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:48,720
Speaker 2: You could be you know, you can make sure wherever

659
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 2: you live is not cold. I definitely not going to

660
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:54,080
Speaker 2: see anymore snows pretty soon because I'm not having it.

661
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:57,680
Speaker 2: So you literally can live in multiple places. And how

662
00:35:57,719 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 2: do you do that? Well, I think you know in

663
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:02,719
Speaker 2: some way, and I say this always to people who

664
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:05,880
Speaker 2: are thinking about doing any type of business activity, will

665
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 2: see you know, get a good lawyer, you know. I

666
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:11,440
Speaker 2: think local lawyers is one of the key things. And

667
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 2: we have the I Love Black People app which is

668
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 2: like the Green Book, which we just came out with

669
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:19,120
Speaker 2: a new edition. But even in our I Love Black People,

670
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 2: we have listing of lawyers in different countries that are

671
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:25,359
Speaker 2: Black friendly or Pan African friendly. So I think one

672
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:27,800
Speaker 2: of the first things to do is to identify another

673
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:31,360
Speaker 2: place that you might be interested in living, getting it

674
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:34,440
Speaker 2: either taking a trip there, but not just as a

675
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:37,200
Speaker 2: tourist though that's why I think tourism. I think friends

676
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 2: Vernon said, if you meet an African in Europe, they're

677
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 2: either a tourists, a slave or a trader. And if

678
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 2: they're tourists in them home, if their slaves freedom, and

679
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:49,000
Speaker 2: if they're a trader, we know what we do there.

680
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 2: So it's one of those things where I think us

681
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:54,840
Speaker 2: moving around the world having the independence to do so,

682
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 2: we shouldn't try to imitate or emulate the colonize it.

683
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:03,040
Speaker 2: We should use are ability to move with that passport

684
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 2: to empower other people. I have some projects going on

685
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:11,719
Speaker 2: right now where we're supporting a startup in solar and

686
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:15,840
Speaker 2: because the system has a Zimbabwe passport, it's hard to

687
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:18,759
Speaker 2: get visas to different countries. So most of our brothers

688
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:21,479
Speaker 2: and sisters in other countries have a very hard time

689
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:25,920
Speaker 2: to compete internationally because they can't even move. But yet

690
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 2: the raw materials if they say Europe for Europe, but

691
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:33,800
Speaker 2: they want the African resources like that part is the issue.

692
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:36,160
Speaker 2: But yet again I think we should use some of

693
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:40,319
Speaker 2: our status as it relates to our proximity the power

694
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:42,920
Speaker 2: in the United States to make sure that the foreign

695
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:46,040
Speaker 2: policy of the United States, no matter who's president is

696
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 2: one that's of justice. And I think sometimes we go

697
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 2: to sleep on that. We went to sleep on that

698
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:53,600
Speaker 2: with the Bidens. You know, I hear people talk about

699
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:56,960
Speaker 2: the Democrats and Republicans. You know, it was under the

700
00:37:57,120 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 2: Democrats that genocide started. You know, those attacks were funding

701
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 2: our dollars were going to that, they were actually going

702
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 2: to Columbia University and other folks telling people they couldn't protest.

703
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 2: I got kicked out of touch Skee because of a protest.

704
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:13,160
Speaker 2: I didn't I didn't go to prison. I didn't have

705
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:16,680
Speaker 2: my freedom taken from me. But that was under Biden.

706
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:18,680
Speaker 2: So we got to stop. Let you know, I think

707
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 2: we parton too much. I think we get caught up

708
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:23,239
Speaker 2: in these parties, and being loyal to a party is

709
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 2: probably not the best way in politics, probably not the

710
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 2: best way in business either. I think we should be

711
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:30,960
Speaker 2: loyal to our agendas. And I say agendas because all

712
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:33,279
Speaker 2: our agendas don't have to be the same. You're number

713
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:35,480
Speaker 2: one to be my number three on my agenda, but

714
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:37,400
Speaker 2: you don't have to be against each other. Like if

715
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:39,920
Speaker 2: you don't want reparations, I'll just take the money that

716
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 2: you're supposed to get that's fine, but you don't have

717
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:44,960
Speaker 2: to hate on me because I want DC statehood, you

718
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:46,399
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. So I think one of these

719
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 2: things that we should look at this situation. We say

720
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 2: the word Trump, which is fine. He should be removed

721
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:53,759
Speaker 2: and there's a way to do that, But we should

722
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:57,680
Speaker 2: stop thinking that the Trump that we see is actually

723
00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 2: the person making decisions with Epstein. Epstein files show us

724
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:05,440
Speaker 2: that there are people behind the scenes that are making

725
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:08,640
Speaker 2: these these decisions, and he's the sales guy, he's the

726
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:12,120
Speaker 2: person who's the front man, but he's not making these decisions.

727
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Speaker 1: And whole leftought ten away from the top of I

728
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:18,320
Speaker 1: thank you for that, brother Saint Clair. I asked you

729
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:20,200
Speaker 1: a personal question though, because you travel a lot, you

730
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 1: take flights, and we know what happened in ninety eleven,

731
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 1: are you concerned about your personal safety if you get

732
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 1: you know, because we don't know where they're going to strike.

733
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:30,879
Speaker 1: As you mentioned earlier, this is not far from being

734
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:33,960
Speaker 1: over and they got a bunch of sleeper sales all

735
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:37,360
Speaker 1: across the world, and so one may have happened in

736
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Speaker 1: their ut Austin the other night. What your thought so

737
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:46,319
Speaker 1: is for your personal way of traveling. Are you going

738
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Speaker 1: to change any way that you travel?

739
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 2: I think, let me a few things. I was concerned.

740
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:56,279
Speaker 2: There was a tech conference in Doha early February, and

741
00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 2: when I saw a lot of these activities and things,

742
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:03,320
Speaker 2: I changed my plans and I went to another conference

743
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:07,440
Speaker 2: in Nairobi instead. I think there's things like that. But again,

744
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:11,160
Speaker 2: you know, being born and raised in generations in the

745
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 2: United Snakes of the United States of America. You know,

746
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:17,840
Speaker 2: I'm a pilot myself, so I'm right now taking some

747
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:22,480
Speaker 2: classes get an upgraded license as an instrument license, and

748
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:25,319
Speaker 2: you know, you know, I sometimes look around. I wonder

749
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:27,440
Speaker 2: if some of these folks might try to do something

750
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:30,160
Speaker 2: to my airplane just because they might not like to

751
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:33,520
Speaker 2: see black people flying. Like there's all kinds of reasons

752
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 2: that we've dealt with our resistance and struggle in the

753
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:40,880
Speaker 2: belly of this space. That makes me a little different.

754
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:44,320
Speaker 2: I see Epstein, I see the attacks, I see the

755
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:48,360
Speaker 2: attacks on our community. I see the resistance struggle again

756
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:52,080
Speaker 2: of Jesse Jackson and those that you know came before us,

757
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:55,880
Speaker 2: our parents. So I think it's a definitely we keep

758
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:58,759
Speaker 2: our eyes open. We don't take anything from granted, but

759
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:01,600
Speaker 2: I think we have the people have they throw in

760
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:03,800
Speaker 2: the kitchen sink at us, and we're still here. The

761
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:06,560
Speaker 2: fat man been singing for a long time, and we're

762
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 2: still here. So I think again, I think we all

763
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:11,920
Speaker 2: are here for a reason. I'm not here to tell

764
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:14,440
Speaker 2: anyone what theirs is, but I think our best thing

765
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:16,920
Speaker 2: in order to deal with this situation is to try

766
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 2: to live out our calling. We were brought into existence

767
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 2: for a reason. I don't know what the reason is,

768
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:23,880
Speaker 2: but you need to find it for yourself and then

769
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 2: fulfill that or betray it. That's rights. So now again

770
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 2: that's not mean fulfill your destiny or betray it. So

771
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 2: I think whatever, we're here. And it's interesting about some

772
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:34,800
Speaker 2: of these things where we talk about the Alatola and

773
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:39,120
Speaker 2: then these Muslims and they talk about martyr them, and

774
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:42,040
Speaker 2: oftentimes when we talk about the death of our people,

775
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 2: who says they were assassinated, killed, But when you use

776
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:48,360
Speaker 2: that word martyr, it's pretty powerful, you know, when we

777
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:50,880
Speaker 2: think about the fact that many of the people that

778
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:53,920
Speaker 2: were killed in our struggles were killed because of what

779
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:56,560
Speaker 2: you just said, the work thing we're doing, and they

780
00:41:56,920 --> 00:42:00,880
Speaker 2: saw martyrdom as a part of the country continuity of

781
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:04,520
Speaker 2: the struggle. Yes, you kill me, you'll make me a martyr. Like,

782
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 2: that's an interesting concept. So I just think we should

783
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:11,279
Speaker 2: say the life that we've been given was given to us.

784
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:12,080
Speaker 6: For a reason.

785
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:14,719
Speaker 2: We should fulfill that reason, and it there has to

786
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:17,480
Speaker 2: be a sacrifice for the improvement of our people. I

787
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 2: think it is what it is. But to be tiden

788
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:22,880
Speaker 2: and trying to run from this, I don't think you

789
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:25,360
Speaker 2: can run for Like, even when I talk about traveling,

790
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:27,040
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that you're going to be able to

791
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 2: run for white supremacist ideology or you're going to run

792
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:34,359
Speaker 2: from capitalism. I'm saying the terms of engagement you can

793
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:37,879
Speaker 2: set those. You don't have to be fixed with having

794
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:41,200
Speaker 2: to live your life out in one particular place. That's

795
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:44,400
Speaker 2: not God. Man did that. These are man made. When

796
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:47,320
Speaker 2: people say don't worship, they say about patriots, don't worship

797
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:50,319
Speaker 2: man made things. When the United States is man made,

798
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:54,400
Speaker 2: it's not. It doesn't exist except for men making Israel

799
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 2: that we know today is man made. Not God didn't

800
00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:00,880
Speaker 2: make it. It was men who made the that is

801
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:04,719
Speaker 2: a man. If you worship that, you're worshiping that's by paganism.

802
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 6: Almost so again.

803
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Speaker 2: You know, however, you see yourself in the conscious of

804
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:12,160
Speaker 2: our humanity and God. I'm just saying, try to fulfill

805
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:16,000
Speaker 2: that spiritual space and I think the physical stuff works

806
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:17,319
Speaker 2: out either way.

807
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:20,719
Speaker 1: I think all right, sitting away from the top of

808
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:22,880
Speaker 1: that with Sinclis Kinnery is just joining us family, and

809
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:25,799
Speaker 1: welcome to Monday, and also welcome to March as well.

810
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Speaker 1: Second day of March. You're discussing what's going on in Iran,

811
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:30,319
Speaker 1: what's going on in the Middle East. Also, we're going

812
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 1: to talk about the Jesse Jackson's legacy, also Cryptocuncy, and

813
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:37,240
Speaker 1: also his program that he has I Love Black People

814
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:39,480
Speaker 1: and he's going to explain what that is for us

815
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:41,760
Speaker 1: as well. But let's let's go back to the situation

816
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:44,040
Speaker 1: in the Middle East, because you mentioned how it may

817
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:48,680
Speaker 1: disrupt the global economy. What advice would you have and

818
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:51,280
Speaker 1: I know you don't give financial advice, but what advice

819
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:53,439
Speaker 1: do you have for folks who're listening there, because people

820
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:55,920
Speaker 1: don't understand that prices would probably soon be going up,

821
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:58,840
Speaker 1: with inflation would probably tick up. What advice do you

822
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:02,040
Speaker 1: have for folks just regular joes who just they don't

823
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 1: have as they think they don't have a skinny in

824
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:05,439
Speaker 1: the game, but we all do at this point.

825
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:09,920
Speaker 2: Your thoughts, well, again, I think the price of oil

826
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 2: definitely is going to change, and the question is how

827
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Speaker 2: long is this going to last? I think is in

828
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:19,759
Speaker 2: the interest of Iran for this war to last as

829
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:24,800
Speaker 2: long as possible because the size of Israel, the size

830
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:32,200
Speaker 2: of the United States armament stockpile are not of such

831
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 2: age did last for months at the same level. I think,

832
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 2: you know, so the question starts to be, you know,

833
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:42,719
Speaker 2: how would this ultimately impact our economy? I think, you know,

834
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Speaker 2: I would be conservative on things that you're doing. Like

835
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:49,319
Speaker 2: even with my travel, you know, I try to make sure,

836
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 2: like I just told you, I went to Nairobi. I

837
00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:55,279
Speaker 2: made sure that I was able to see some of

838
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:58,800
Speaker 2: my staff and some of our members I love black people,

839
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:04,440
Speaker 2: and attend a conference for one of the companies we're

840
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:06,800
Speaker 2: investing in, the Solar. I try to make sure that

841
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:11,600
Speaker 2: every movement has as many layers of possibilities as possible

842
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:14,840
Speaker 2: instead of maybe just one thing and just trying to,

843
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 2: like again, trying to make sure that everything you're doing

844
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:22,920
Speaker 2: has a multiple impact. You know, I get highly Guerrima

845
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:25,920
Speaker 2: just had a new the butz who did Saint Kopa

846
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:29,960
Speaker 2: just aired a new movie he has at the Lincoln Theater,

847
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:33,440
Speaker 2: you know, which is something we supported and the Mayor's

848
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:35,960
Speaker 2: office supported. And I took my wife out there for

849
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:38,520
Speaker 2: date night, you know, so it was free because they

850
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:41,239
Speaker 2: let me come. But I try to tell people trying

851
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:44,279
Speaker 2: to get like multiple things out of one thing as

852
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:46,799
Speaker 2: much as you can, like get a triple double out

853
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:50,040
Speaker 2: of it. And I also say this to say, you know,

854
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:52,680
Speaker 2: the things that I do, I tried to figure out

855
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:56,719
Speaker 2: things I enjoy anyway, So even if I would do

856
00:45:57,200 --> 00:46:00,719
Speaker 2: all of this, even if I didn't get paid, that's

857
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:03,640
Speaker 2: the truth. Like I try to live a life that

858
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:06,399
Speaker 2: the things I do I enjoy and try to then

859
00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:10,360
Speaker 2: figure out how to make it most profitable contextually or

860
00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:15,319
Speaker 2: make it most beneficial in particular, because again, you never

861
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Speaker 2: know when this thing's going to be over. You know,

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Speaker 2: I don't think there's going to be a nuclear war

863
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Speaker 2: because of this, but people, you know, we're really playing

864
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Speaker 2: with fire or playing with nuclear war when we with

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Speaker 2: this Ukrainian situation, it still could go bad because you're

866
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Speaker 2: French and the British are talking about giving Ukraine a

867
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Speaker 2: dirty bomb. Like when you start being aware of some

868
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Speaker 2: of these things that are going on in the world.

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Speaker 2: We should definitely make ourselves aware. I think another thing

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Speaker 2: I try to tell people I follow, you know, and

871
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Speaker 2: I know it's Elon Musk and he's horrible, he's racist

872
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:51,400
Speaker 2: and everything he is. But as it relates to alternative media,

873
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:55,400
Speaker 2: you know, along with your programming, there's quite a bit

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Speaker 2: of programming on YouTube and on x or on Twitter

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Speaker 2: that I use to try to supplement the information I'm

876
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Speaker 2: receiving from other mainstream sources, to the point that I

877
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:09,800
Speaker 2: really don't really watch CNN, like I might turn it

878
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Speaker 2: on you for my family instead of watching some other

879
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:15,840
Speaker 2: mindless stuff. But a lot of that stuff is just

880
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 2: you know, news entertainment. They're not really they're really given

881
00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 2: us all propaganda, but literally, you know, to find out that,

882
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Speaker 2: you know, some girls were bombed, the school was bombed,

883
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Speaker 2: to find out that Bahrain was bombed by Iran, like

884
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Speaker 2: some of the information that people don't get. I think,

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Speaker 2: you know, as you always say, information is power. Having

886
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Speaker 2: multiple sources of that information. And I'll say this, our app,

887
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Speaker 2: I love Black people. We have a chat group like

888
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:51,600
Speaker 2: our own Twitter, our own Instagram, within our app where

889
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Speaker 2: I gave a list of the places that I seek

890
00:47:55,320 --> 00:48:00,759
Speaker 2: alternative news information just so that the people or on

891
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Speaker 2: our chat have access to that information.

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Speaker 1: Right Hold up though, right there, brother Saint Clair, we

893
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Speaker 1: got to step uside and get caught up with the

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Speaker 1: latest traffic and weather. I know you say you don't

895
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Speaker 1: want snow, but I think snow's on tap for the

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Speaker 1: Washington DC ERA this afternoon in Baltimore as well. So

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Speaker 1: hold on, but let's check the traffic, weather, sports and

898
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Speaker 1: everything else that's next to two minutes away from the top.

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Speaker 1: They have family. You want to join our conversation with

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Speaker 1: Sinclair Skinner. Hit us up at eight hundred four or

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Speaker 1: five zero seventy eight seventy six and we'll take your

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Speaker 1: phone calls after the trafficing weather that's next and grand

903
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Speaker 1: rising family. And we've made it to we've made it

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Speaker 1: to March and Monday, of course, the first day of Monday.

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Speaker 1: And our guest is DC active. He is a brother

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Speaker 1: Saint Claire. Skinner is also a Humanitarians, also an on

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Speaker 1: troubor Nor travels quite a bit discus seeing the situation Iran.

908
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Speaker 1: We also want to talk about I Love Black People

909
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Speaker 1: campaign before we do that I got a twe wanted

910
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:51,280
Speaker 1: to know your thoughts on whether it was the Epstein

911
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Speaker 1: files with the or the fact that Donald Trump may

912
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Speaker 1: now get a chance to postpone the elections in the fall.

913
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Speaker 1: What do you think was behind this attack on any

914
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:02,520
Speaker 1: Iran two questions I got from one of our tweeters.

915
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Speaker 2: I think they might be some of the same thing.

916
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:09,320
Speaker 2: I think again with the Epstein Files show who started.

917
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Speaker 2: Some of the things I've seen is that they were

918
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Speaker 2: talking about, you know, domestic as well as international policy

919
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:20,960
Speaker 2: amongst a private group of powerful people, and that they

920
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Speaker 2: could put their hands on politicians that we elect to

921
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Speaker 2: have them do the things that they want them to do.

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Speaker 2: They even talked about in the Epstein Files to say Libya.

923
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Speaker 2: They was talking about how great it would be if

924
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Speaker 2: they knocked off Momar Kadaffi. And next thing you know,

925
00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:43,720
Speaker 2: you see someone like Hillary Clinton. Who's the State Department

926
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Speaker 2: involved in the murdering of Momarkadaffi. Some people say that

927
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Speaker 2: if you look at follow the money, there was a

928
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Speaker 2: lot of there was financial support that emanated from relationships

929
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Speaker 2: that Epstein had with powerful folks to help fund the

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Speaker 2: Clinton Foundation. So again, some of the decisions that we

931
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Speaker 2: wonder why did this happen? Oftentimes is being done by

932
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Speaker 2: people who either blackmailing folks or have you know, committed

933
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Speaker 2: committed to a private club of activities that say, this

934
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Speaker 2: isn't our best interest. It may it's definitely not in

935
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Speaker 2: the best interests of the majority of a US citizens,

936
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Speaker 2: you know, to be concerned and worried about somebody blowing

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Speaker 2: up themselves, like the people who are making these decisions

938
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Speaker 2: aren't exposed to the risk that we as the you know,

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Speaker 2: regular folks are exposed to. So again, I think the

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Speaker 2: Epstein as well as the people making decisions are going

941
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Speaker 2: to be a the elections. The decisions aren't being made

942
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Speaker 2: in the political parties. I think you just got to

943
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Speaker 2: be clear that Epstein files taught us that the party

944
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Speaker 2: system is meant for the poor, for the average everyday person,

945
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Speaker 2: but wealthy people, powerful people would never let a popular

946
00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:05,840
Speaker 2: vote dictate the outcome of anything they would do. So

947
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Speaker 2: they make sure that they're in control of the system.

948
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Speaker 2: So even if someone says they're going to postpone the election,

949
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Speaker 2: if they decide to or not, just know whoever is

950
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Speaker 2: in the system is oftentimes beholden the people that you

951
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:21,800
Speaker 2: don't even know. And by the time you vote, the

952
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:25,320
Speaker 2: people who are on the ballot have already been selected,

953
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Speaker 2: and you're now participating in a system to count. In

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Speaker 2: some ways refuse your outrage by making you seem like

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Speaker 2: you're participating. But much of it has been already orchestrated

956
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:41,880
Speaker 2: or been compromised. So again with Donald Trump, you know

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Speaker 2: he was under his administration. This is what people don't

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Speaker 2: talk about. It wasn't under Biden's administration that the essen

959
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Speaker 2: foles came out. It was actually under Trump.

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Speaker 7: Like, just think that through.

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Speaker 2: Like, literally the most wicked is president of recent times,

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Speaker 2: and of course anybody who owned folks, it has to

963
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Speaker 2: be wicked. So the first president of this two hundred

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00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:04,719
Speaker 2: and fifty years definitely awful. But this man is the

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Speaker 2: one who actually had his administration literally released redacted. Crazy.

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Speaker 2: But actually it was the one who actually put the

967
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Speaker 2: files up. Now, Biden, I've heard people just say, well, Biden,

968
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Speaker 2: they were still investigating. This is decades of molesting, raping children.

969
00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:25,920
Speaker 2: Like if that doesn't give you a sense of urgency

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Speaker 2: to get the word out, I don't know what would.

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00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:33,320
Speaker 2: But to allow people to have conversations about powerful, wicked

972
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:38,879
Speaker 2: people farming. Little girls' lives do matter, and they talk

973
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:42,719
Speaker 2: about this in some you know, bureaucratic work way is

974
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:45,640
Speaker 2: just the miss. Actually what we just are talking about.

975
00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:51,440
Speaker 2: They literally were killing and harming little children at whole scale,

976
00:52:52,520 --> 00:52:54,440
Speaker 2: not just on an island, not just on the plane,

977
00:52:54,520 --> 00:52:56,800
Speaker 2: not just in New York, not just in New Mexico.

978
00:52:57,440 --> 00:53:01,040
Speaker 2: And they were doing this in exchange for favors. And like,

979
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:05,480
Speaker 2: that's a real thing that didn't take place under a

980
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:10,360
Speaker 2: democratic president and also was going on under Obama. So again,

981
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:13,120
Speaker 2: the system is what we need to be. Like, there's

982
00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:16,440
Speaker 2: principalities that we should be. We should stop letting, you know,

983
00:53:16,719 --> 00:53:19,120
Speaker 2: love and hate getting our head like when you're doing

984
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:23,359
Speaker 2: business and politics, love and hate aren't good like strategies,

985
00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:27,280
Speaker 2: it should be logic and rational. So again, the people

986
00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:32,960
Speaker 2: who are controlling these policies would never commit themselves just

987
00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:35,239
Speaker 2: to one party. They call it buttering the bread on

988
00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:38,760
Speaker 2: both sides. You know, they they would never. So again,

989
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:41,640
Speaker 2: when we're looking at what's happening, I think part of

990
00:53:41,719 --> 00:53:45,800
Speaker 2: this is also the Democrats think if they don't do anything,

991
00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:49,120
Speaker 2: then it makes the situation get even worse so that

992
00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:51,000
Speaker 2: they can get more people to vote for them. I

993
00:53:51,080 --> 00:53:54,920
Speaker 2: think that's wrong, but I do understand that their strategy,

994
00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:58,120
Speaker 2: like dcs not having stated that so many people attacked

995
00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:01,879
Speaker 2: Mirae Bowser, But where was the Congress? Where was Where

996
00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:03,879
Speaker 2: were all the Democrats? Where there was the Congressional black

997
00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:07,560
Speaker 2: concause to stand up when we don't have the representation

998
00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:10,880
Speaker 2: in Congress. We got Eleanor Holmes, who's now about to retire,

999
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:13,840
Speaker 2: you know, God bless them her service. But literally, the

1000
00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:16,720
Speaker 2: Democrats were nowhere to be found when they were stealing

1001
00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:20,520
Speaker 2: a billion dollars out of the DC budget. So again

1002
00:54:20,719 --> 00:54:24,040
Speaker 2: you're you see these games people play, Well, let's make

1003
00:54:24,080 --> 00:54:25,759
Speaker 2: them hurt a little bit. That way they'll be more

1004
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:26,919
Speaker 2: likely to come out and vote.

1005
00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:27,759
Speaker 6: These are the.

1006
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:32,040
Speaker 2: Games that policy. That's politics. It's not right, it's actually wrong.

1007
00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:36,080
Speaker 2: But since we get so beholden and loyal to people

1008
00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:40,120
Speaker 2: that we then make excuses. People talk about Maggot being crazy.

1009
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:43,920
Speaker 2: There's a lot of crazy Democrats that will literally use

1010
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:46,319
Speaker 2: to explain to them what the Democrats that does. Well,

1011
00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:48,439
Speaker 2: at least they're not Trump. And I tell people, listen,

1012
00:54:48,719 --> 00:54:51,680
Speaker 2: I've spent literally one hundreds of thousands of dollars supporting

1013
00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:55,880
Speaker 2: Democratic candidates. I've spent the great majority of part of

1014
00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:58,960
Speaker 2: my life supporting them. And this is what we get, Like,

1015
00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:01,319
Speaker 2: don't bring up the Republic because I've never given them

1016
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:05,120
Speaker 2: a nickel. I've never spent a moment trying to support them.

1017
00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:08,520
Speaker 2: So to give me that fake comparison, well, at least

1018
00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:11,279
Speaker 2: the report, I never invested it in them. So the

1019
00:55:11,360 --> 00:55:14,759
Speaker 2: people I've given everything to, they better stop playing this

1020
00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:18,680
Speaker 2: performative games, wearing daishiki's and doing silly stop because my

1021
00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:21,640
Speaker 2: life ain't silly. My interests nor my agenda's not silly.

1022
00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:25,360
Speaker 2: Cut the check reparations. Stop these drugs and these guns

1023
00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:27,600
Speaker 2: coming in my neighborhood. Like, there's some real things that

1024
00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:30,360
Speaker 2: if you really want to hold people accountable, no matter what,

1025
00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:33,840
Speaker 2: we should hold them accountable now, no matter what, loyalty

1026
00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:36,640
Speaker 2: should come to our community and our families and to

1027
00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:40,040
Speaker 2: our agenda, not to these parties that all were created

1028
00:55:40,160 --> 00:55:44,200
Speaker 2: by what wealthy white males to control.

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Speaker 1: Right now, hold that thought right there, Brother Saint Clair

1030
00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:48,360
Speaker 1: ten Minty say, after tough, they a family, just checking in.

1031
00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:50,799
Speaker 1: Brother Saint Clairs Skinny is an activist in Washington, DC.

1032
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:54,000
Speaker 1: Is also humanitarian. He is a businessman as well. And

1033
00:55:54,080 --> 00:55:56,440
Speaker 1: we're discussing the situation in Iran, and we're going to

1034
00:55:56,520 --> 00:55:59,160
Speaker 1: talk about his program, I Love Black People program and

1035
00:55:59,160 --> 00:56:02,880
Speaker 1: also his thoughts about Reverend Jesse Jackson before we do that.

1036
00:56:03,040 --> 00:56:06,479
Speaker 1: Though we talked about earlier the other three. The question

1037
00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:08,880
Speaker 1: was was this started because of the Epstein files or

1038
00:56:09,040 --> 00:56:11,800
Speaker 1: was this started to so that Donald Trump can you know,

1039
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:14,120
Speaker 1: nullify the election so we weren't have elections in the fall.

1040
00:56:14,360 --> 00:56:17,719
Speaker 1: Were's another question that I think may be another reason.

1041
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:20,880
Speaker 1: It may be that Obama already had an Iran nuclear

1042
00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:24,280
Speaker 1: deal done and it was sort of working perfectly. Iranic

1043
00:56:24,520 --> 00:56:28,319
Speaker 1: it's completely stopped its nuclear weapons program. Then on comes

1044
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:31,000
Speaker 1: Donald Trump and he says he wants to dismantle it,

1045
00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:33,840
Speaker 1: he wants to rip it up. Do you think this

1046
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:37,760
Speaker 1: could be another reason? Because this this deal that Obama

1047
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:40,520
Speaker 1: crafted with Iran and it was working. They had, you know,

1048
00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:45,040
Speaker 1: they had completely stopped making nuclear weapons. And Donald Trump says, well,

1049
00:56:45,080 --> 00:56:46,920
Speaker 1: they go, we don't want them to get nuclear weapons

1050
00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:48,960
Speaker 1: because then this is what Netanyah who told them. Because

1051
00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:52,319
Speaker 1: now Netanya wants the United States to do his work

1052
00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:54,520
Speaker 1: and clean up, you know, get all these enemies out

1053
00:56:54,640 --> 00:56:57,600
Speaker 1: from in proximity of Israel. But he doesn't want to

1054
00:56:57,680 --> 00:57:00,320
Speaker 1: use Israeli forces. He wants to use American forces. So

1055
00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:02,760
Speaker 1: your thoughts on that, could this be another reason?

1056
00:57:04,160 --> 00:57:07,040
Speaker 2: I think even when we talk about Obama, the same

1057
00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:10,760
Speaker 2: Epstein people were actually operating when he was in office.

1058
00:57:11,239 --> 00:57:15,000
Speaker 2: So even when they keep bringing up Iran and nuclear weapons,

1059
00:57:15,719 --> 00:57:19,000
Speaker 2: Iran has made it clear that they don't want nuclear weapons.

1060
00:57:19,080 --> 00:57:22,640
Speaker 2: It was actually an edict or fatois that the Aratola

1061
00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:27,680
Speaker 2: had said since nineteen eighty nine that they made it haram.

1062
00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:31,280
Speaker 2: They made it like it was wrong to create weapons

1063
00:57:31,360 --> 00:57:34,840
Speaker 2: of mass destruction like that. So to say it was

1064
00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:39,400
Speaker 2: Obama or these other folks stopped the the Iranians who

1065
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:43,040
Speaker 2: want to blow up the world. Iranians just wanted the

1066
00:57:43,160 --> 00:57:48,160
Speaker 2: West to stop putting sanctions against them. They operate. Israel

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Speaker 2: has never admitted to having nuclear weapons. They've never allowed

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Speaker 2: any of the international institutions to review any of their

1069
00:57:58,560 --> 00:58:03,240
Speaker 2: nuclear whatever. Iran has been a party to these things,

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Speaker 2: has allowed all Even one of the things said in

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Speaker 2: the Twelve Day War was that information from the inspections

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Speaker 2: that were done was given to the US and others

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00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:21,120
Speaker 2: to help target their nuclear legal ability to do so. So,

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Speaker 2: when you start talking about non proliferation of weapons and arms.

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00:58:26,280 --> 00:58:32,080
Speaker 2: Iran has you know, been accountable before Obama, but there's

1076
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Speaker 2: allies of the United States that have not but are

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00:58:35,840 --> 00:58:39,120
Speaker 2: not underscrewed me. So again, I don't think it's the

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00:58:39,240 --> 00:58:42,880
Speaker 2: Epstein parts. Again is that behind the scenes there's people

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00:58:43,320 --> 00:58:47,240
Speaker 2: who are purposely, you know, having an agenda to attack

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00:58:47,360 --> 00:58:51,360
Speaker 2: Iran and destabilize it so that their interests could thrive

1081
00:58:51,640 --> 00:58:54,760
Speaker 2: in that region. I mean, again, there's ninety million people.

1082
00:58:54,880 --> 00:58:57,680
Speaker 2: When you look at you know, Baha, Rain and Kuato,

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00:58:58,080 --> 00:59:01,080
Speaker 2: these countries are run by They're not democratics that run

1084
00:59:01,160 --> 00:59:06,080
Speaker 2: by kings and monarchs of small families. This has less

1085
00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:10,040
Speaker 2: to do probably with the proliferation of nuclear weapons and

1086
00:59:10,160 --> 00:59:13,560
Speaker 2: more about how do you control a region. If Iran

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00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:16,200
Speaker 2: wanted the weapons, they can have got win, just like

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00:59:16,320 --> 00:59:20,240
Speaker 2: North Korea, Pakistan and these other countries. I don't again,

1089
00:59:20,680 --> 00:59:23,360
Speaker 2: but this is my opinion. I think with as many scientists,

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00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:26,240
Speaker 2: as smart as they are, and their close proximity to

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00:59:26,600 --> 00:59:30,520
Speaker 2: other countries like Pakistan which they share a border, if

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00:59:30,560 --> 00:59:34,360
Speaker 2: they really really wanted to get access to nuclear weapons

1093
00:59:34,920 --> 00:59:38,280
Speaker 2: over the last forty some years, they could have probably

1094
00:59:38,320 --> 00:59:41,200
Speaker 2: done it. I think what they've done is use this

1095
00:59:41,320 --> 00:59:45,000
Speaker 2: as a reason to destroy their economy, which creates an

1096
00:59:45,280 --> 00:59:48,720
Speaker 2: environment for regime change. The same thing you saw in Venezuela.

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00:59:49,160 --> 00:59:52,000
Speaker 2: You harm their economy and then the people get so

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00:59:52,560 --> 00:59:56,000
Speaker 2: exacerbated with what's going on, like I said, just paying

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00:59:56,040 --> 00:59:59,960
Speaker 2: the bills, that they'll rise up or not rise up

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01:00:00,160 --> 01:00:03,120
Speaker 2: to protect their government because they feel like their economy.

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01:00:03,160 --> 01:00:06,680
Speaker 2: The same thing happened in Zimbabwe. Literally, these are again

1102
01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:13,439
Speaker 2: things that have been done using economics, you know, warfare basically, sanctions, espionage,

1103
01:00:13,600 --> 01:00:17,439
Speaker 2: undermine your economy and then bring up nuclear weapons, knowing

1104
01:00:17,560 --> 01:00:20,640
Speaker 2: darn well that one of the United States' biggest allies

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01:00:20,680 --> 01:00:24,320
Speaker 2: in the region has not done anything that's legal as

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Speaker 2: it relates to this nuclear stockpile.

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Speaker 1: All right, fourteen half that tofa Let's get into I

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Speaker 1: Love Black People campaign. Who how did you come up

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01:00:35,320 --> 01:00:38,160
Speaker 1: with this? Why did you create it and how do

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01:00:38,240 --> 01:00:39,080
Speaker 1: you come about.

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01:00:40,040 --> 01:00:43,400
Speaker 2: Well, you know, we started off doing a work with

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Speaker 2: my co founder, mister Christopher Mapander, who went to Howard

1113
01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:50,840
Speaker 2: who's from Zimbabwe. We started off this, you know, trying

1114
01:00:50,840 --> 01:00:55,200
Speaker 2: to do something Pan African to help our people using technology.

1115
01:00:55,600 --> 01:00:58,120
Speaker 2: After working on several projects, one of the projects that

1116
01:00:58,160 --> 01:01:01,240
Speaker 2: had worked on was literally trying to, you know, come

1117
01:01:01,320 --> 01:01:06,040
Speaker 2: up with a way to use ethanol or fueling them.

1118
01:01:06,200 --> 01:01:09,960
Speaker 2: They were going through again horrible sanctions and things, and

1119
01:01:10,040 --> 01:01:12,160
Speaker 2: we were trying to figure out ways to use technology.

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01:01:12,520 --> 01:01:14,960
Speaker 2: And one of the things we decided it was hard

1121
01:01:15,360 --> 01:01:18,680
Speaker 2: to move money into them and the Western Union and

1122
01:01:19,240 --> 01:01:24,560
Speaker 2: money graund they always charged Africa higher prices even with tailcos,

1123
01:01:24,600 --> 01:01:28,120
Speaker 2: with the price of Wi Fi, the prices of tailcos,

1124
01:01:28,200 --> 01:01:32,680
Speaker 2: the price of sending money is artificially controlled and they

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01:01:32,880 --> 01:01:36,080
Speaker 2: make us pay more, just like in black neighborhoods in

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01:01:36,120 --> 01:01:38,680
Speaker 2: America where you might pay more for ATM and a

1127
01:01:38,760 --> 01:01:42,160
Speaker 2: black community as opposed to other communities. So we looked

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01:01:42,200 --> 01:01:44,600
Speaker 2: at what we could do and the first thing was, hey,

1129
01:01:44,680 --> 01:01:47,600
Speaker 2: we had the idea we're using bitcoin to send money

1130
01:01:47,680 --> 01:01:51,200
Speaker 2: back and forth. And then there was a coupe that

1131
01:01:51,520 --> 01:01:54,680
Speaker 2: happened where they shut down you know, a lot of

1132
01:01:54,760 --> 01:01:56,600
Speaker 2: the trade that was happening at the time I was

1133
01:01:56,640 --> 01:01:59,680
Speaker 2: in Zimbabwe, and one of the things we said, well,

1134
01:02:00,120 --> 01:02:03,000
Speaker 2: we can't do this. What can we do to help

1135
01:02:03,040 --> 01:02:06,200
Speaker 2: our people? And one of the things that was brought

1136
01:02:06,320 --> 01:02:11,680
Speaker 2: up was the Green Book and how our people were

1137
01:02:11,840 --> 01:02:16,640
Speaker 2: able to use this book to move about. Jim pro

1138
01:02:16,880 --> 01:02:22,720
Speaker 2: American apartheid without being a fear of being harmed from

1139
01:02:23,160 --> 01:02:26,960
Speaker 2: jim pro segregation and racist people. And we said, well,

1140
01:02:26,960 --> 01:02:30,280
Speaker 2: you know what, we've the things that we've dealt with globally,

1141
01:02:30,680 --> 01:02:34,200
Speaker 2: dealing with Zimbabwe, we realized that some of the same

1142
01:02:34,360 --> 01:02:39,160
Speaker 2: things still happen and that there's nothing that's actually existent

1143
01:02:39,480 --> 01:02:41,919
Speaker 2: at the point that we were doing it to help

1144
01:02:41,960 --> 01:02:44,400
Speaker 2: protect our people. So we said, look, let's take that

1145
01:02:44,800 --> 01:02:48,280
Speaker 2: concept of the Green Book and make it digital. We

1146
01:02:48,400 --> 01:02:50,920
Speaker 2: already were a tech company, We already were had some

1147
01:02:51,200 --> 01:02:54,600
Speaker 2: super brilliant young minds who were helping us build. And

1148
01:02:54,720 --> 01:02:57,200
Speaker 2: we said, look, we'll take that in an original Green

1149
01:02:57,280 --> 01:03:00,320
Speaker 2: Book starting in the nineteen thirty nineteen six by Victor

1150
01:03:00,400 --> 01:03:02,760
Speaker 2: Green in Africa and.

1151
01:03:02,760 --> 01:03:04,880
Speaker 7: Said, well, it was to help black people, why is.

1152
01:03:04,880 --> 01:03:08,200
Speaker 2: It called the Green Book? And then Momarch and dopy

1153
01:03:08,240 --> 01:03:10,120
Speaker 2: I also had a little Green Book like the Little

1154
01:03:10,160 --> 01:03:13,240
Speaker 2: Red Book in China but now but literally we had

1155
01:03:13,280 --> 01:03:14,760
Speaker 2: to tell them, well, you know how men are. He

1156
01:03:15,280 --> 01:03:18,840
Speaker 2: named the book after himself. His name was Green, Victor Green.

1157
01:03:19,000 --> 01:03:22,240
Speaker 2: So we took his concept Victor Green had and we

1158
01:03:22,360 --> 01:03:25,800
Speaker 2: then digitized it. And the original Green Book started off

1159
01:03:25,880 --> 01:03:26,720
Speaker 2: with pay.

1160
01:03:26,640 --> 01:03:28,400
Speaker 1: Right and hold up, thought right, there, brother Saint Clair

1161
01:03:28,440 --> 01:03:29,680
Speaker 1: got a step aside for a few moments and we

1162
01:03:29,800 --> 01:03:31,520
Speaker 1: come back. I'll let you finish telling us about I

1163
01:03:31,680 --> 01:03:34,360
Speaker 1: Love Black People Campaign that he started. Family, you two

1164
01:03:34,400 --> 01:03:36,360
Speaker 1: can get in on this discussion. Reach out to us

1165
01:03:36,400 --> 01:03:39,760
Speaker 1: at eight hundred four five zero seventy eight seventy six

1166
01:03:39,800 --> 01:03:42,840
Speaker 1: and we'll take your phone calls next and Grand Rising Family,

1167
01:03:42,920 --> 01:03:45,120
Speaker 1: thanks for joining us on this Monday morning. I'm just

1168
01:03:45,120 --> 01:03:47,439
Speaker 1: starting the week with us, and also the month. We're

1169
01:03:47,480 --> 01:03:49,280
Speaker 1: on the second day of March. Also, it's the new

1170
01:03:49,400 --> 01:03:50,920
Speaker 1: moon out there and tomorrow's going to be what they

1171
01:03:50,960 --> 01:03:53,520
Speaker 1: call a blood moon. We'll talk about that later as well.

1172
01:03:53,920 --> 01:03:55,919
Speaker 1: Twenty one minutes after the top there with our guests,

1173
01:03:55,920 --> 01:03:58,600
Speaker 1: the brother Saint Clair Skinner. He's a DC activist, he's

1174
01:03:58,600 --> 01:04:01,720
Speaker 1: a humanitarian, he's also an entrepreneur and it's also created

1175
01:04:01,760 --> 01:04:05,320
Speaker 1: this program called I Love Black People Campaign. So before

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01:04:05,360 --> 01:04:08,080
Speaker 1: we left, these explain to us why he started and

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01:04:08,160 --> 01:04:10,479
Speaker 1: how it works. So, Brother Sinclay, I let you finish

1178
01:04:10,560 --> 01:04:10,880
Speaker 1: your thought.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So the original Green Book focused on places the eat,

1181
01:04:15,360 --> 01:04:19,800
Speaker 2: places of sleep, and transportation because again that was a

1182
01:04:19,880 --> 01:04:22,960
Speaker 2: big consideration of the people going to places that they

1183
01:04:23,160 --> 01:04:26,240
Speaker 2: weren't aware of. And they were very vulnerable to the

1184
01:04:26,400 --> 01:04:30,520
Speaker 2: legalized racism that existed at that time. Now what we

1185
01:04:30,680 --> 01:04:34,920
Speaker 2: did was expanded to include a category, so it wasn't

1186
01:04:35,000 --> 01:04:38,520
Speaker 2: just places the eat place for cleetand translation. We included healthcare,

1187
01:04:39,160 --> 01:04:47,560
Speaker 2: legal education slash, childcare, finance, beauty. So we made sure

1188
01:04:47,680 --> 01:04:50,240
Speaker 2: that we covered like the critical areas that if you

1189
01:04:50,360 --> 01:04:54,120
Speaker 2: got something wrong, that you wouldn't want to have a

1190
01:04:54,240 --> 01:04:58,040
Speaker 2: racist person dealing with you, Like even with healthcare when

1191
01:04:58,080 --> 01:05:01,640
Speaker 2: we dealt with the COVID era when we had the

1192
01:05:02,160 --> 01:05:05,080
Speaker 2: original platform put together. One of the things that people

1193
01:05:05,160 --> 01:05:08,720
Speaker 2: were you know, realizing, you know, travel is one vulnerability,

1194
01:05:08,800 --> 01:05:11,200
Speaker 2: but when you're sick, you're vulnerable too. And they were

1195
01:05:11,320 --> 01:05:15,840
Speaker 2: racist doctors who were misdiagnosing people and getting them to

1196
01:05:15,880 --> 01:05:18,080
Speaker 2: do things they shouldn't do, or even dealing with what

1197
01:05:20,400 --> 01:05:25,040
Speaker 2: sister Serena Williams. You know, she almost literally was killed

1198
01:05:25,120 --> 01:05:30,640
Speaker 2: given birth. And she's healthy, athletic, rich, popular narriture of

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01:05:30,720 --> 01:05:34,600
Speaker 2: European almost none of that protected her from almost being

1200
01:05:34,720 --> 01:05:37,720
Speaker 2: killed by giving birth. So we realized the issues that

1201
01:05:37,840 --> 01:05:40,440
Speaker 2: are critical legal you could be famous. There's a lot

1202
01:05:40,480 --> 01:05:43,520
Speaker 2: of famous people who were over in other countries and

1203
01:05:43,800 --> 01:05:47,080
Speaker 2: had problems with legal situations. You know, you don't want

1204
01:05:47,120 --> 01:05:50,840
Speaker 2: to go to a racist lawyer. So we identify eight

1205
01:05:50,920 --> 01:05:55,400
Speaker 2: key areas that were critical of people activity. You know,

1206
01:05:55,520 --> 01:05:59,800
Speaker 2: similar French doctor francs Chus Wilson we talked about, but different,

1207
01:06:00,200 --> 01:06:02,480
Speaker 2: but we literally saw those as the key areas that

1208
01:06:02,920 --> 01:06:05,120
Speaker 2: if you find somebody you want to make sure they

1209
01:06:05,160 --> 01:06:09,800
Speaker 2: weren't racist. Now it doesn't include carpenters or cable installation,

1210
01:06:10,640 --> 01:06:13,600
Speaker 2: those type things, because again, having a racist carpenter is

1211
01:06:13,640 --> 01:06:15,800
Speaker 2: a problem. There's not the same thing having like a

1212
01:06:15,880 --> 01:06:19,280
Speaker 2: racist doctor. So we really are just focused on really

1213
01:06:19,360 --> 01:06:22,360
Speaker 2: the key areas where if you get the wrong support

1214
01:06:22,680 --> 01:06:25,880
Speaker 2: that it could caused grave problems. So now we have

1215
01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:31,040
Speaker 2: people crowdsourcing, our members crowdsource the information, and we launched

1216
01:06:31,080 --> 01:06:33,880
Speaker 2: the actual app itself, not just the website like we

1217
01:06:33,960 --> 01:06:37,880
Speaker 2: had before, in December, and then this month we just

1218
01:06:38,680 --> 01:06:42,840
Speaker 2: released our sixth edition of the Global Green Book. So

1219
01:06:42,960 --> 01:06:45,400
Speaker 2: what we do is take sample of some of the

1220
01:06:45,480 --> 01:06:51,200
Speaker 2: businesses that are in on the digital application and we

1221
01:06:51,320 --> 01:06:54,160
Speaker 2: include those in the book. And prior to that we

1222
01:06:54,240 --> 01:06:56,440
Speaker 2: had the website. We took some businesses from the website

1223
01:06:56,640 --> 01:06:59,240
Speaker 2: and we literally share those with you so you can

1224
01:06:59,560 --> 01:07:01,800
Speaker 2: no matter where you are. I think we have, like

1225
01:07:02,400 --> 01:07:05,080
Speaker 2: you know, I forget the number of listening, but totally

1226
01:07:05,440 --> 01:07:09,240
Speaker 2: I think we have almost thirty thousand listings, so you know,

1227
01:07:09,360 --> 01:07:12,520
Speaker 2: and these listenings come from folks who are on our app,

1228
01:07:12,720 --> 01:07:16,360
Speaker 2: who are recommending these apps, and we're asking that if

1229
01:07:16,400 --> 01:07:20,040
Speaker 2: you download the app, that you verify the places that

1230
01:07:20,360 --> 01:07:23,360
Speaker 2: are already being recommended so that we can make sure

1231
01:07:23,640 --> 01:07:25,920
Speaker 2: the places that are on there are the places that

1232
01:07:26,000 --> 01:07:29,200
Speaker 2: are treating our people with dignity and respect, so you

1233
01:07:29,320 --> 01:07:30,720
Speaker 2: get the chance to do that. And then then on

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01:07:30,760 --> 01:07:33,240
Speaker 2: the app, if you open it up, we have different

1235
01:07:33,280 --> 01:07:36,760
Speaker 2: categories where you know, we start off with beginners, advocates

1236
01:07:36,840 --> 01:07:39,400
Speaker 2: all the way up to guardians and ambassadors, so the

1237
01:07:39,440 --> 01:07:41,920
Speaker 2: people who are really putting in work, we want to

1238
01:07:41,960 --> 01:07:44,720
Speaker 2: make sure we support you and your activities. And then

1239
01:07:45,120 --> 01:07:47,000
Speaker 2: for the folks who get on the app and want

1240
01:07:47,040 --> 01:07:49,560
Speaker 2: to just find some places. If you agree with what

1241
01:07:49,840 --> 01:07:51,920
Speaker 2: you see on the app, make sure you give it

1242
01:07:51,960 --> 01:07:56,360
Speaker 2: another recommendation because we're able to show you the businesses

1243
01:07:56,480 --> 01:07:59,720
Speaker 2: like a Google map around you. We can show you

1244
01:07:59,840 --> 01:08:02,360
Speaker 2: you based on proximity, how close it is to you,

1245
01:08:02,920 --> 01:08:06,400
Speaker 2: or based on who has the most recommendations. So we

1246
01:08:06,600 --> 01:08:09,440
Speaker 2: focused on recommendation. Now here's the thing that we don't do.

1247
01:08:09,920 --> 01:08:12,960
Speaker 2: We don't have a set up where you do negative things. Well,

1248
01:08:13,000 --> 01:08:15,880
Speaker 2: we realize if somebody tell you don't go somewhere and

1249
01:08:16,040 --> 01:08:18,960
Speaker 2: you're sick, we still don't know where to go. So

1250
01:08:19,080 --> 01:08:22,280
Speaker 2: our focus is on places that are black friendly, not

1251
01:08:22,479 --> 01:08:25,760
Speaker 2: the places that are not black friendly. The information and

1252
01:08:25,920 --> 01:08:29,840
Speaker 2: database that we maintain and support are full of the

1253
01:08:29,920 --> 01:08:33,479
Speaker 2: lists of places that have been crowdsourced from people like

1254
01:08:33,840 --> 01:08:38,000
Speaker 2: your listeners who share that information. So that's what we've

1255
01:08:38,040 --> 01:08:40,760
Speaker 2: been building. And of course the books on Amazon to

1256
01:08:41,360 --> 01:08:43,519
Speaker 2: make sure you go out and grab it and also

1257
01:08:43,640 --> 01:08:47,240
Speaker 2: download the app is free. It's not free to make this,

1258
01:08:47,840 --> 01:08:50,559
Speaker 2: but you know, with some of the things that we've done,

1259
01:08:50,760 --> 01:08:54,599
Speaker 2: is invested in this through our friends and family, as

1260
01:08:54,640 --> 01:09:00,640
Speaker 2: well as investment from some institutions that we are you know,

1261
01:09:01,439 --> 01:09:05,760
Speaker 2: from even Crypto, to help build this application so that

1262
01:09:06,280 --> 01:09:07,919
Speaker 2: we can share it with our community.

1263
01:09:08,920 --> 01:09:10,560
Speaker 1: Well, let me jump here at twenty six after the

1264
01:09:10,640 --> 01:09:13,000
Speaker 1: ton there, brother Sinclair, what about we still you know,

1265
01:09:13,320 --> 01:09:16,000
Speaker 1: despite what we talk about on this particular program, we

1266
01:09:16,120 --> 01:09:18,240
Speaker 1: still got some folks who look like us, look like

1267
01:09:18,360 --> 01:09:21,280
Speaker 1: me and you, brother Sinclair, and they will never invest

1268
01:09:21,439 --> 01:09:24,880
Speaker 1: or a purchase or buy anything made by black hands.

1269
01:09:25,439 --> 01:09:27,000
Speaker 1: What do you say to those folks? You just write

1270
01:09:27,000 --> 01:09:28,880
Speaker 1: them off or just keep moving or try to try

1271
01:09:28,960 --> 01:09:32,280
Speaker 1: to convert them to understand what they what they displaying

1272
01:09:32,320 --> 01:09:34,160
Speaker 1: is self hate. How do you deal with them?

1273
01:09:34,880 --> 01:09:35,040
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1274
01:09:35,160 --> 01:09:38,599
Speaker 2: The first first answer, yeah, I just we just keep

1275
01:09:38,600 --> 01:09:41,360
Speaker 2: you a movement like life is too short. I don't

1276
01:09:41,760 --> 01:09:44,040
Speaker 2: there's people better than me with more patience. They can

1277
01:09:44,120 --> 01:09:49,400
Speaker 2: teach people the difference between loving yourself and not. What

1278
01:09:49,560 --> 01:09:51,400
Speaker 2: we're doing is we're froms on the people who are

1279
01:09:51,560 --> 01:09:54,400
Speaker 2: already there and they're trying to figure out what to

1280
01:09:54,479 --> 01:09:56,840
Speaker 2: do with that love. Well, we say you can spread

1281
01:09:56,880 --> 01:10:00,439
Speaker 2: that love by sharing information about places that you people

1282
01:10:00,479 --> 01:10:03,800
Speaker 2: with dignity and respect, so that you're the greater Black

1283
01:10:03,800 --> 01:10:06,280
Speaker 2: community and can benefit from it. Like you know, I'm

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Speaker 2: a member of fraternity and with the HBCUs Testigee Howard,

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Speaker 2: so I already have a network of folks that I

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Speaker 2: can turn to. I need information about a doctor or

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Speaker 2: a lawyer. But what about the brothers and sisters who

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Speaker 2: don't have access. It takes people who are Pan Africans

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Speaker 2: who understand that we're all family that share that information.

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Speaker 2: But it's not enough to say I'm a Pan African,

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Speaker 2: I'm pro black. That's great. You know what we're gonna

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Speaker 2: do now, like you athlete, what we're going to do.

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Speaker 2: One of the things you can do is literally just

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Speaker 2: share information that you already have. Everybody may not protest,

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Speaker 2: everybody may not march, but this is something by crowdsourcing.

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Speaker 2: By sharing your favorite doctor, sharing your favorite lawyer, dentist,

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Speaker 2: a place to eat, farmer's market, these are all things

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Speaker 2: that are very important. Like again right now, it was

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Speaker 2: going on in the Middle East. One of the things

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Speaker 2: we reached out to our members this morning, UH be

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Speaker 2: con maning our members in Africa is checking on folks

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Speaker 2: who are in the Middle Western Asia, Middle East right now,

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Speaker 2: what are some of the things they're going to through

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Speaker 2: you know, what are some services they may need, the

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Speaker 2: legal services, Food they're having food shortages. One of the

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Speaker 2: things that I just heard UH this morning was uh

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Speaker 2: Dubai in the UAE. Again, when you start seeing you

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01:11:25,600 --> 01:11:30,080
Speaker 2: know the UH airports and things shut down, and and

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Speaker 2: and and the waterways shut down. That impacts food, you know,

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Speaker 2: especially perishable items and there's no shortages. So again, being

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Speaker 2: able to share information with our global black family to say, hey,

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Speaker 2: you know, if you are in need, uh, let's say food,

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Speaker 2: here's some places that you can go through. These are

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Speaker 2: things that we're doing using our app as a means

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Speaker 2: to communicate. And so again, you know, there's meta, there's

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Speaker 2: there's telegram, there's all these means, but we have our

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01:12:02,560 --> 01:12:06,040
Speaker 2: own way to communicate using the app itself.

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Speaker 1: So you know as well, let me let me ask

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Speaker 1: you this though. At thirty minutes after the top. I'm

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Speaker 1: going to give you an example. Say I'm flying to

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Speaker 1: Africa and we stop in Amsterdam Skipple Airport. We got

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Speaker 1: this long layover sometimes this happens almost twelve hour layover

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Speaker 1: a toothache. Can I use your app and to find

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Speaker 1: a black friendly dentist anywhere in Amsterdam in the Netherlands.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, Copenhagen, Denmark, you named it. It could be a

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Speaker 2: Mongolian dinnerst though, it could be a Mongolian woman dinnist

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Speaker 2: that that local community goes to and they get treated

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Speaker 2: with dignity and respect. That's why, again so many people

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Speaker 2: is a misnomer. They think the Green Book was a

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Speaker 2: black business directory and many of the businesses were not

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Speaker 2: black holed. The bottom line was our safety. So if

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Speaker 2: you're in Kansas or Idaho, it wasn't about is this

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Speaker 2: person black and spending money the whole capitalism growing people

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Speaker 2: be trying to get us with. It was really about

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Speaker 2: where can you go to be safe and not harmed

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Speaker 2: or humiliated. So that's what we're doing today is to say, look,

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Speaker 2: at the end of the day, no matter who the

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Speaker 2: person providing the service, they got to be able to

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Speaker 2: provide a service to black people with dignity and respect.

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Speaker 2: And if they don't, we're not using it. And the

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Speaker 2: reason we focus on businesses is because we're not waiting

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Speaker 2: for governments to change. Businesses can dictate how they treat

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Speaker 2: people because they own the stakes. So our concept again

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01:13:34,840 --> 01:13:38,200
Speaker 2: based on agreement. But if these people are interested in

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01:13:38,320 --> 01:13:41,400
Speaker 2: making sure we're treated with dignancy, respect, we want to

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Speaker 2: make sure that's included so you can navigate this world

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Speaker 2: of racist white supervice people and live your life more freely.

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Speaker 1: So that the persons in the book are not necessarily

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Speaker 1: black persons. Then you're saying that, so how do you

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Speaker 1: vet them to make sure that they're cool with black folks?

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Speaker 1: How's that done?

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Speaker 2: So the only way that people can become members first

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01:14:02,840 --> 01:14:05,080
Speaker 2: of all, to get on our platform, you know, you

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01:14:05,160 --> 01:14:07,360
Speaker 2: got to have your phone number, your email. We got

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01:14:07,479 --> 01:14:09,639
Speaker 2: to vet make sure that's a real number. In most

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Speaker 2: places in the world, your phone number, the only way

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01:14:12,800 --> 01:14:16,080
Speaker 2: you can get is by presenting a real ID at

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Speaker 2: some at some point, So we make sure we do

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Speaker 2: the best we can to identify the folks that are

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Speaker 2: on the app as being real people. And then two,

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Speaker 2: we allow people to verify whatever's been recommended on our app.

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Speaker 2: So if there's a business that's recommended, you go there

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Speaker 2: and it's and it's an awesome place, we get you

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Speaker 2: get a chance to recommend it for the second time.

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Speaker 2: And what happens ultimately is that there's businesses that have

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Speaker 2: more recommendations than others. So we're using a verification process

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Speaker 2: that each member gets to participate in to validate like

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Speaker 2: even again, you know multiple it might be a city

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Speaker 2: with one doctor that's that's from Afghanistan, the trees black people, well,

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Speaker 2: then they might have multiple recommendations for it. It may

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Speaker 2: not be any other doctor that's treats as well. So

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Speaker 2: for us, it's really not about how many places, is

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Speaker 2: just making sure that the places that we do have

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Speaker 2: are places that actually see that dignty respect.

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Speaker 1: Let me ask you a twenty eight away from the

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Speaker 1: top there, brother Saint Clair. You know, I think it

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Speaker 1: was Friday. One of our listeners called in that one

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Speaker 1: of the African centate schools in Washington, d C. Needed

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Speaker 1: some help. They're trying to ask they were asking for money,

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Speaker 1: but I had a plumbing problem. And I propose that

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Speaker 1: you know, one of our plumbers who was listening, go

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Speaker 1: over there and just through it. The pro bono is,

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Speaker 1: how do if that school wanted to find out a

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Speaker 1: good plumber, how did they find out who that plumber

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Speaker 1: would be? And how do people if the plumbers listening

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Speaker 1: out there in DC or in New Orleans or Dallas,

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Speaker 1: how do they get on the list though? How they

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Speaker 1: get on the on the list for so the people

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Speaker 1: can know that they're they're black friendly if you will, Well,

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Speaker 1: we don't.

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Speaker 2: Have plumbers, so the trades are not on there. So

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Speaker 2: for us again, the areas that we talk about are healthcare,

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Speaker 2: legal races, that sleep, places to eat. The areas is

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Speaker 2: eight categories that we think are critical where you don't

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01:16:16,360 --> 01:16:19,200
Speaker 2: have a lot of information and you need some help

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01:16:19,360 --> 01:16:22,000
Speaker 2: with making a decision now when it comes to a

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Speaker 2: plumber or carpenter, somebody to clean your carpet. These are

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Speaker 2: still things you don't want to deal with racist folks,

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Speaker 2: but the consequences are having a racist plumber are very

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Speaker 2: different than a racist doctor. So for us for now

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Speaker 2: at least, you know, as we develop and continue, like

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Speaker 2: I said, we just launched their official launch in December,

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01:16:45,400 --> 01:16:48,559
Speaker 2: you know, we could increase these categories. Who were really

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Speaker 2: focusing at this moment on those critical categories. So plumbing

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Speaker 2: is not there.

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Speaker 1: All right, So even for a doctor or Dennis, how

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Speaker 1: do they get on the list.

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Speaker 2: Then, Oh, you got to be recommended loan as somebody

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01:17:00,960 --> 01:17:03,599
Speaker 2: refers you. That's how you get on. There's no pain,

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Speaker 2: there's no The only way you can get on our

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01:17:06,000 --> 01:17:08,240
Speaker 2: app is there somebody recommends you.

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Speaker 1: And if you use the app and you feel that

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Speaker 1: you weren't treated with respect or treated inappropriately, is there

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01:17:17,320 --> 01:17:19,519
Speaker 1: a way that you can file those grievances so other

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01:17:20,160 --> 01:17:22,479
Speaker 1: family members will you know, experience the same issue.

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01:17:23,400 --> 01:17:26,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, we on our app, you can always reach out

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01:17:26,520 --> 01:17:28,800
Speaker 2: to us and give a feedback. So we have a

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Speaker 2: feed you know, it's the feedback is for any feedback,

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01:17:32,720 --> 01:17:37,519
Speaker 2: but we have a feedback that allows you to share

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01:17:37,560 --> 01:17:42,280
Speaker 2: any information that you think is relevant for whatever reason.

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01:17:42,520 --> 01:17:44,840
Speaker 2: If something's wrong with the app is not working, or

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Speaker 2: if you love the app, or if a place that

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01:17:47,560 --> 01:17:50,599
Speaker 2: you went to ended up not treating you right, all

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01:17:50,680 --> 01:17:53,639
Speaker 2: those things, we want the feedback and that's the whole

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01:17:53,680 --> 01:17:57,120
Speaker 2: purpose that the way we've developed our app is called

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Speaker 2: the lean startup method. We would literally try to use

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Speaker 2: your feedback to help us get the best product market

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Speaker 2: fit to do the things that you wanted to do.

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Speaker 2: So let me say another way, if we get more

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Speaker 2: people saying I want plumbers out here, ultimately we're probably

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Speaker 2: gonna have plumbers to it. Where we are now has

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Speaker 2: been based on the feedback we've gotten from people. Even

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Speaker 2: the issue of negative reviews versus positive, So many people

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01:18:22,320 --> 01:18:26,120
Speaker 2: brought up how negative reviews had got so bad on

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Speaker 2: social media that the real issue is making sure we

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Speaker 2: identify the places that are doing it right, and those

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01:18:33,479 --> 01:18:36,160
Speaker 2: were things that we focus on. Should we change that

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01:18:36,280 --> 01:18:39,720
Speaker 2: later Once we got the places that you can go

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01:18:39,880 --> 01:18:42,800
Speaker 2: to and get treated well, then we'll we can see

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Speaker 2: about what we do after that. But feedback on the

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Speaker 2: places as well as your experience on the app is

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Speaker 2: priceless for us we definitely need that.

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Speaker 1: All right, twenty four minutes away from the top of out,

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01:18:56,200 --> 01:18:58,240
Speaker 1: we got to check the news again in that different cities.

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01:18:58,479 --> 01:18:59,920
Speaker 1: When we come back that we're going to talk about

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Speaker 1: the legacy of the Reverend Jesse Jackson. I know you

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01:19:02,200 --> 01:19:05,200
Speaker 1: met Reverend Jackson. So many people interacted to Reverend Jackson.

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01:19:05,240 --> 01:19:07,519
Speaker 1: He made his transition a few days ago. What are

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01:19:07,560 --> 01:19:09,360
Speaker 1: your thoughts on him? Though a family, you two can

1450
01:19:09,400 --> 01:19:11,599
Speaker 1: get in on this conversation and brother seeing Cleiar Skinner,

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01:19:11,720 --> 01:19:13,720
Speaker 1: you know how to reach us eight hundred four to

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01:19:13,800 --> 01:19:16,720
Speaker 1: five zero seventy eight seventy six and we'll take your

1453
01:19:16,760 --> 01:19:19,040
Speaker 1: phone calls after we check the news. Trafficking weather that's

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Speaker 1: next and Grand Rising family, thanks for starting your week

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01:19:21,920 --> 01:19:24,599
Speaker 1: with us and our guess. He's a DC activist. He's

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01:19:24,600 --> 01:19:27,719
Speaker 1: also a humanitarian. He's Entrepreneur's name is Saint Clair Skinner.

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01:19:27,720 --> 01:19:30,080
Speaker 1: You've heard it before and it talked about is I

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01:19:30,200 --> 01:19:32,800
Speaker 1: Love Black People campaign that it's where if you oil

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01:19:32,840 --> 01:19:35,720
Speaker 1: the Green Book, you know both them associated if you're

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01:19:35,720 --> 01:19:39,040
Speaker 1: looking for a black family person, if you're in business

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01:19:39,360 --> 01:19:41,880
Speaker 1: or health services, this is the book you need to

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01:19:41,920 --> 01:19:43,320
Speaker 1: get all the app He's going to tell us how

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01:19:43,360 --> 01:19:45,360
Speaker 1: to get the app. Also going to talk about the

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Speaker 1: legacy of the Reverend Jesse Jackson, who died two weeks ago.

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Speaker 1: Before we do that, the elements remind you come up.

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Speaker 1: Later this morning, we're going to speak with Morgan State

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01:19:53,280 --> 01:19:55,840
Speaker 1: University professor Dr ray Winbush. He's going to be talking

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Speaker 1: about several issues with Dr Wimbush. And later in the

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Speaker 1: week you're going to hear from the University of Houston's

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01:19:59,680 --> 01:20:03,360
Speaker 1: professor Gerald Horn. Also Olympian doctor John Carlos will be

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01:20:03,520 --> 01:20:04,960
Speaker 1: with us and talk sports with Then we're going to

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01:20:05,000 --> 01:20:08,760
Speaker 1: talk entertainment with Kerry Gordy, who's Barry Gordy's son of

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01:20:08,920 --> 01:20:12,040
Speaker 1: one of his sons. And also two members of Henrietta

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Speaker 1: Laxi's family are going to join us as well because

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01:20:13,720 --> 01:20:17,080
Speaker 1: they just just had a favorite ruling people. As most

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01:20:17,160 --> 01:20:19,040
Speaker 1: you know the story, people have been using her sales

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Speaker 1: with our permission. So if you are in Baltimore, please

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01:20:22,240 --> 01:20:24,760
Speaker 1: keep your radio locked in tight on ten ten WLB,

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01:20:24,960 --> 01:20:27,400
Speaker 1: or if you're in the Washington, DC Metropolitan ere on

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Speaker 1: fourteen fifty WL. All Right, Brollt sint Clare, Reverend Jackson's

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01:20:32,280 --> 01:20:34,840
Speaker 1: is legacy because I know as we speak now he's

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Speaker 1: laying lying in stage I should say in Columbia, South Carolina,

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01:20:38,560 --> 01:20:40,920
Speaker 1: where the state that he grew up. And after that

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01:20:41,360 --> 01:20:45,160
Speaker 1: there's going to be a homegoing services at Operation Rainbow

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01:20:45,439 --> 01:20:48,519
Speaker 1: Push headquarters in Chicago, and they say that a service

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Speaker 1: in Washington, d C. To honor him as being postponed

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Speaker 1: till later date. Your thoughts about the legacy of Reverend

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Speaker 1: Jesse Jackson.

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Speaker 2: Well, look, I'm glad you told me about that. I

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01:20:58,920 --> 01:21:01,360
Speaker 2: thought they were having some thing at Howard this week

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Speaker 2: on Wednesday, So a big postpone that or moved it.

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Speaker 2: I think, first of all, an information his power, this

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Speaker 2: is always the right channel to be all. Jesse was

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01:21:12,720 --> 01:21:16,040
Speaker 2: amazing for us. I mean, I think I started college

1495
01:21:16,080 --> 01:21:20,879
Speaker 2: in eighty seven and my first campaign was Jesse Jackson's

1496
01:21:20,960 --> 01:21:26,000
Speaker 2: nineteen a eight campaign and one of my mentors, Latresia

1497
01:21:26,160 --> 01:21:29,920
Speaker 2: Rutland and Mayor Johnny fld of Tuskega. I was in

1498
01:21:30,040 --> 01:21:33,160
Speaker 2: Nigan County, and I mean what he did was you

1499
01:21:33,240 --> 01:21:35,920
Speaker 2: know again, I was the second campaign, but he really

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01:21:36,040 --> 01:21:41,080
Speaker 2: revolutionized the way many blacks had been engaged in politics

1501
01:21:41,120 --> 01:21:45,320
Speaker 2: because up until his election, his races, you know, when

1502
01:21:45,360 --> 01:21:48,519
Speaker 2: from run to Jesse, run to win, Jesse winn A

1503
01:21:48,600 --> 01:21:51,280
Speaker 2: lot of the black folks in Alabama were doing a

1504
01:21:51,400 --> 01:21:54,280
Speaker 2: lot of the hard work behind the scenes in the

1505
01:21:54,360 --> 01:21:58,080
Speaker 2: Democratic Party at the time, but weren't getting recognized, and

1506
01:21:58,240 --> 01:22:01,519
Speaker 2: his campaign didn't have money, but they were able to

1507
01:22:01,600 --> 01:22:04,040
Speaker 2: give folks great titles so you could be Chair of

1508
01:22:04,120 --> 01:22:09,320
Speaker 2: Alabama Chair this Like, he really got folks involved who

1509
01:22:09,360 --> 01:22:13,000
Speaker 2: were already doing the work and recognized them so they

1510
01:22:13,040 --> 01:22:15,920
Speaker 2: could be seen and show them that they could do

1511
01:22:16,080 --> 01:22:19,679
Speaker 2: these things too. And I think there's probably a again

1512
01:22:20,080 --> 01:22:25,800
Speaker 2: generations of elected officials that got their early start. You

1513
01:22:25,880 --> 01:22:28,839
Speaker 2: know again, I did that, and then when we ultimately

1514
01:22:29,280 --> 01:22:33,280
Speaker 2: I came to DC, got involved with the EMOSA Party,

1515
01:22:33,720 --> 01:22:37,360
Speaker 2: Like it was inspirations from Jesse Jackson for us even

1516
01:22:37,439 --> 01:22:39,960
Speaker 2: to take those bold steps that we could take this

1517
01:22:40,320 --> 01:22:42,720
Speaker 2: a step further. I think one of the problems was,

1518
01:22:42,760 --> 01:22:45,280
Speaker 2: I think, and I'd love to hear some of the

1519
01:22:45,439 --> 01:22:50,360
Speaker 2: history on nineteen ninety two when there was that compromise

1520
01:22:50,479 --> 01:22:54,120
Speaker 2: where he decided not to run and then they were

1521
01:22:54,120 --> 01:22:56,959
Speaker 2: supposed to give him a shot at the vice president

1522
01:22:57,439 --> 01:23:00,160
Speaker 2: and they kind of double across them at the and

1523
01:23:00,280 --> 01:23:03,080
Speaker 2: see I think if I would love to see the

1524
01:23:03,200 --> 01:23:07,000
Speaker 2: research and those who were there, I think that started

1525
01:23:07,080 --> 01:23:11,880
Speaker 2: to decline in our trajectory of electoral politics. I think

1526
01:23:12,320 --> 01:23:16,760
Speaker 2: Jesse Jackson created such an amazing ceiling that when they

1527
01:23:16,840 --> 01:23:20,519
Speaker 2: were able to get him off track, that they did

1528
01:23:20,960 --> 01:23:25,320
Speaker 2: so many things. Even with Obama's election, it really, you know,

1529
01:23:25,520 --> 01:23:30,000
Speaker 2: the issues that Jesse was saying, he seemed to lead

1530
01:23:30,120 --> 01:23:33,639
Speaker 2: with us, even though it was rainbow push with all

1531
01:23:34,400 --> 01:23:38,080
Speaker 2: a big rainbow folks, it seemed like the agency or

1532
01:23:38,160 --> 01:23:41,599
Speaker 2: the activities that related to an agenda of black people

1533
01:23:42,200 --> 01:23:45,680
Speaker 2: was still held in high regard and how it can

1534
01:23:45,720 --> 01:23:48,759
Speaker 2: help other people. I think what we've seen more recently,

1535
01:23:48,920 --> 01:23:52,200
Speaker 2: even with the expression people of color, it kind of

1536
01:23:52,760 --> 01:23:58,760
Speaker 2: washes our unique experience as the sentence of formerly enslaved

1537
01:23:58,920 --> 01:24:02,840
Speaker 2: African people here because somehow we're all immigrants and that

1538
01:24:03,000 --> 01:24:05,559
Speaker 2: becomes very problematic and is first of all that true.

1539
01:24:06,040 --> 01:24:09,040
Speaker 2: And then I think Jesse was important even the context

1540
01:24:09,120 --> 01:24:13,280
Speaker 2: of being African when he talked about us being African Americans,

1541
01:24:13,760 --> 01:24:17,360
Speaker 2: giving us a connection to a land mass beyond the

1542
01:24:17,479 --> 01:24:21,479
Speaker 2: times bumbfines of the United States. And you know, I

1543
01:24:21,600 --> 01:24:28,040
Speaker 2: hear people oftentimes talk about his relationship early on as

1544
01:24:28,120 --> 01:24:33,040
Speaker 2: related to Malcolm X's Martin Luther King's death and whatnot.

1545
01:24:33,400 --> 01:24:36,920
Speaker 2: I think again his body of work, I say, don't

1546
01:24:37,120 --> 01:24:41,040
Speaker 2: add nothing, but don't take nothing away. I think where

1547
01:24:41,080 --> 01:24:44,040
Speaker 2: he started and where he ended up, and the work

1548
01:24:44,160 --> 01:24:48,400
Speaker 2: that was done in between is just in the context.

1549
01:24:49,200 --> 01:24:52,240
Speaker 2: You know, they say this and this is the doctor

1550
01:24:53,760 --> 01:24:56,720
Speaker 2: Tyrene Wrights. He talks about always keep history in the

1551
01:24:56,800 --> 01:25:00,920
Speaker 2: context initiated actually happens sometimes. Who want to talk about

1552
01:25:00,960 --> 01:25:04,400
Speaker 2: folks like everybody had cell phones, but he was operating

1553
01:25:04,479 --> 01:25:07,760
Speaker 2: in a very different environment, a very different understanding. He

1554
01:25:07,840 --> 01:25:12,559
Speaker 2: didn't have the benefit of hindsight. They were doing things

1555
01:25:12,600 --> 01:25:15,160
Speaker 2: in a way that didn't have a road map. And

1556
01:25:15,560 --> 01:25:18,160
Speaker 2: some of the things he might have done, if he

1557
01:25:18,320 --> 01:25:20,880
Speaker 2: was able to look back and do it, he would

1558
01:25:20,880 --> 01:25:23,240
Speaker 2: probably do it differently. And I think all of us,

1559
01:25:23,680 --> 01:25:26,639
Speaker 2: you know, when we look at our younger years, there's

1560
01:25:26,680 --> 01:25:30,160
Speaker 2: some things that we decisions, we made, things that we did.

1561
01:25:30,640 --> 01:25:33,840
Speaker 2: But if we look at what he did with one life,

1562
01:25:34,360 --> 01:25:36,599
Speaker 2: it seemed like he did about twenty of them because

1563
01:25:36,640 --> 01:25:40,720
Speaker 2: he lived a lobby. We were over in Senegal at

1564
01:25:40,760 --> 01:25:44,640
Speaker 2: the African African American Summit by Reverend Leon Sullivan and

1565
01:25:45,240 --> 01:25:47,880
Speaker 2: Jesse was there and we had like a little squabble

1566
01:25:47,920 --> 01:25:52,720
Speaker 2: a little bit. Jesse Reverend Jackson was amazing, and we

1567
01:25:52,840 --> 01:25:55,680
Speaker 2: had students from all over Africa and students from all

1568
01:25:55,680 --> 01:25:58,120
Speaker 2: of the United States were meeting and we were trying

1569
01:25:58,160 --> 01:26:02,200
Speaker 2: to create a pen African organizations and Jesse came in

1570
01:26:02,439 --> 01:26:06,840
Speaker 2: and everybody and this is again Jesse's was magnetic. I mean,

1571
01:26:07,439 --> 01:26:10,679
Speaker 2: brothers and sisters were all over the continent. Just everybody

1572
01:26:10,800 --> 01:26:14,280
Speaker 2: knew Jesse. He was like a hero. And he came

1573
01:26:14,360 --> 01:26:16,600
Speaker 2: in and we wanted him to talk about how we

1574
01:26:16,640 --> 01:26:21,519
Speaker 2: should organize. And some of this conversations oftentimes was not

1575
01:26:21,640 --> 01:26:25,080
Speaker 2: about passing the torch. It was almost like he was

1576
01:26:25,160 --> 01:26:28,120
Speaker 2: telling us that we got to take the torch, that

1577
01:26:28,240 --> 01:26:30,760
Speaker 2: folks ain't going to just give it out. I think

1578
01:26:30,840 --> 01:26:33,960
Speaker 2: that was something helpful because I think so many thought

1579
01:26:34,360 --> 01:26:37,120
Speaker 2: it was just like a natural progression and it's not

1580
01:26:37,880 --> 01:26:41,320
Speaker 2: like the things that they did. Starting off, there was

1581
01:26:41,760 --> 01:26:46,080
Speaker 2: you know, probably gatekeepers and status quo black leadership, and

1582
01:26:46,680 --> 01:26:50,559
Speaker 2: they were the ones who defied the norms and push

1583
01:26:50,680 --> 01:26:53,560
Speaker 2: things forward. And that was really a part of the

1584
01:26:53,680 --> 01:26:56,800
Speaker 2: inspiration that he gave us. I still remember when he

1585
01:26:56,880 --> 01:27:01,479
Speaker 2: came to Tuskivi, people, you know, students registering to vote

1586
01:27:01,600 --> 01:27:03,400
Speaker 2: was a hard thing in Alabama. You had to get

1587
01:27:03,400 --> 01:27:05,439
Speaker 2: a deputy registered. You had to go to the Justice

1588
01:27:05,479 --> 01:27:08,560
Speaker 2: of Peace just to be signed, just to get the

1589
01:27:09,040 --> 01:27:12,320
Speaker 2: right to sign other people up to vote. And a

1590
01:27:12,360 --> 01:27:13,920
Speaker 2: lot of people don't realize the way until like the

1591
01:27:14,000 --> 01:27:17,600
Speaker 2: Motive Voter Bill came out, like a ninety four or

1592
01:27:17,640 --> 01:27:19,760
Speaker 2: something like that, where you could actually just go to

1593
01:27:19,880 --> 01:27:22,560
Speaker 2: the DMV and things like that to sign up. So

1594
01:27:23,040 --> 01:27:25,719
Speaker 2: every state, of course, and jurisdiction had be a different

1595
01:27:25,760 --> 01:27:27,600
Speaker 2: way of doing it. But a lot of students in

1596
01:27:27,720 --> 01:27:30,360
Speaker 2: Tuskegee would be like, well, I'm from California, I'm from

1597
01:27:30,400 --> 01:27:32,960
Speaker 2: New York. And he said, home is where you slept

1598
01:27:33,040 --> 01:27:35,920
Speaker 2: last night. He said, the issues that you're going to

1599
01:27:36,000 --> 01:27:38,800
Speaker 2: face today and tomorrow are going to be based on

1600
01:27:38,920 --> 01:27:42,080
Speaker 2: the elected officials in the community that you live in

1601
01:27:42,240 --> 01:27:44,920
Speaker 2: right now. Now, when you go back home, you can

1602
01:27:45,000 --> 01:27:48,240
Speaker 2: go back and change your ballot status, but where you

1603
01:27:48,400 --> 01:27:50,920
Speaker 2: are right now is where you need to vote, so

1604
01:27:51,080 --> 01:27:55,120
Speaker 2: you can dictate the realities that you're living in right now.

1605
01:27:55,560 --> 01:27:57,880
Speaker 2: So's there, I mean, like I said things like that.

1606
01:27:58,520 --> 01:28:01,280
Speaker 2: You know, folks didn't think they were Alabama even Tuskey

1607
01:28:01,360 --> 01:28:04,080
Speaker 2: to be in a private school, but they literally, you know,

1608
01:28:04,520 --> 01:28:09,280
Speaker 2: people were registering and getting engaged, and even with the tech,

1609
01:28:09,800 --> 01:28:11,960
Speaker 2: you know, people don't really give him credit. You know,

1610
01:28:12,040 --> 01:28:14,960
Speaker 2: he did things about holding Wall Street and the big

1611
01:28:15,080 --> 01:28:20,080
Speaker 2: corporations accountable. But another very very very still racist place

1612
01:28:21,000 --> 01:28:24,599
Speaker 2: is Silicon Valley. You know, if out of like all

1613
01:28:24,680 --> 01:28:28,439
Speaker 2: the money they give out for venture capitalists get into

1614
01:28:28,479 --> 01:28:33,040
Speaker 2: the founders, it's consistently over the last like twenty years,

1615
01:28:33,640 --> 01:28:38,519
Speaker 2: like less than one percent. And I definitely pay you know,

1616
01:28:39,280 --> 01:28:42,559
Speaker 2: respects to Jesse for getting us that one percent, because

1617
01:28:42,600 --> 01:28:44,839
Speaker 2: he's one of the early people who went to Philicon

1618
01:28:45,000 --> 01:28:47,680
Speaker 2: Valley and said where the black people at, you know,

1619
01:28:47,840 --> 01:28:50,160
Speaker 2: and made it very clear like this is you know,

1620
01:28:50,840 --> 01:28:53,920
Speaker 2: this technology it was going to help mankind or see

1621
01:28:53,960 --> 01:28:56,519
Speaker 2: the human time and needs to look like human time.

1622
01:28:57,439 --> 01:29:01,160
Speaker 2: And he did a lot to whole people count who

1623
01:29:01,200 --> 01:29:04,080
Speaker 2: were scared. Many black folks in Silicon Valley are just

1624
01:29:04,200 --> 01:29:08,519
Speaker 2: afraid to lose their positions and status that they sometimes

1625
01:29:08,600 --> 01:29:12,880
Speaker 2: don't rage against the machine, and Jesse Jackson's willingness to

1626
01:29:13,000 --> 01:29:17,519
Speaker 2: do so was definitely helpful. And again I think too

1627
01:29:17,600 --> 01:29:21,720
Speaker 2: often we talked about the perfect instead of the progress,

1628
01:29:21,920 --> 01:29:26,400
Speaker 2: and they say in tech, don't let perfection be the

1629
01:29:26,960 --> 01:29:30,040
Speaker 2: things that interrupt your progress. So we may not get

1630
01:29:30,080 --> 01:29:34,439
Speaker 2: everything just right, We're gonna move forward. And Jesse was

1631
01:29:35,760 --> 01:29:39,560
Speaker 2: and I sometimes feel bad, like we say Jesse, but respectfully,

1632
01:29:39,640 --> 01:29:43,800
Speaker 2: Revan Jesse Jackson even that, you know, we would say,

1633
01:29:44,000 --> 01:29:46,920
Speaker 2: you know, President Clinton. We give all these titles to

1634
01:29:47,040 --> 01:29:50,800
Speaker 2: other people who don't respect us or try to exploit us.

1635
01:29:51,479 --> 01:29:54,599
Speaker 2: But Jesse made us feel so like even though he's

1636
01:29:54,680 --> 01:29:56,920
Speaker 2: my elder, he made us feel like we were a

1637
01:29:57,040 --> 01:29:59,320
Speaker 2: part of it, you know, and he felt like.

1638
01:29:59,640 --> 01:30:04,439
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, and he was human. He was human too,

1639
01:30:04,479 --> 01:30:07,000
Speaker 1: you know. He had his shortcomings as well, just like

1640
01:30:07,120 --> 01:30:07,800
Speaker 1: all of us do.

1641
01:30:08,360 --> 01:30:08,479
Speaker 2: Uh.

1642
01:30:08,840 --> 01:30:10,719
Speaker 1: Some people try to hold him to a higher standard.

1643
01:30:10,880 --> 01:30:13,160
Speaker 1: But what I want to ask you five away from

1644
01:30:13,200 --> 01:30:17,679
Speaker 1: the top of our the response to his transition from Washington,

1645
01:30:17,760 --> 01:30:21,120
Speaker 1: d C. The family want him to lie in state

1646
01:30:21,200 --> 01:30:24,840
Speaker 1: of the Rotunda flags at half staff. That didn't happen.

1647
01:30:25,120 --> 01:30:27,679
Speaker 1: Neither of these things happened. They did it for Charlie Kirk,

1648
01:30:28,040 --> 01:30:31,240
Speaker 1: but now it's in South Carolina, his home state, and

1649
01:30:31,280 --> 01:30:34,400
Speaker 1: the flags there at half staff. So, Mike, my question

1650
01:30:34,479 --> 01:30:37,800
Speaker 1: to you is the reaction should he disease deserve to

1651
01:30:37,880 --> 01:30:41,040
Speaker 1: be you know, all all flags, federal flags across the country.

1652
01:30:42,280 --> 01:30:43,800
Speaker 1: Your thoughts do you think they should be at half

1653
01:30:43,840 --> 01:30:45,240
Speaker 1: staff for Revan Jackson.

1654
01:30:46,320 --> 01:30:50,400
Speaker 2: I mean, I think all that every accolate, everything that

1655
01:30:51,080 --> 01:30:55,320
Speaker 2: he did, he did to make this country a better place.

1656
01:30:55,560 --> 01:30:58,679
Speaker 2: He made this world a better place, and the United

1657
01:30:58,720 --> 01:31:03,240
Speaker 2: States benefited from his engagement, resistance, and struggle. I think

1658
01:31:03,320 --> 01:31:07,200
Speaker 2: that's the part that's missing, Like patriotism is not sending

1659
01:31:07,280 --> 01:31:10,280
Speaker 2: people to go die in a war for rich people, Like,

1660
01:31:10,400 --> 01:31:13,760
Speaker 2: that's not patriotism. His You know, even when you talk

1661
01:31:13,800 --> 01:31:16,960
Speaker 2: about the Anti War, when he was standing up for

1662
01:31:17,600 --> 01:31:20,800
Speaker 2: releasing hostages, he made it very clear like there was

1663
01:31:20,880 --> 01:31:24,799
Speaker 2: a moral standard and even if there were people, powerful

1664
01:31:24,840 --> 01:31:26,519
Speaker 2: people who did not want to live up to that,

1665
01:31:26,920 --> 01:31:30,920
Speaker 2: he challenged it and he held us accountable to challenge that.

1666
01:31:31,680 --> 01:31:35,240
Speaker 2: So I remember those days with the nuclets proliferation treatise.

1667
01:31:35,439 --> 01:31:37,760
Speaker 2: This is during the Cold War. He was one of

1668
01:31:37,800 --> 01:31:39,720
Speaker 2: those voices that said that we're not going to let

1669
01:31:39,760 --> 01:31:42,800
Speaker 2: all that Cold War rhetoric get in the way of

1670
01:31:43,160 --> 01:31:45,320
Speaker 2: justice and equality, you know what I'm saying. So he

1671
01:31:45,479 --> 01:31:49,680
Speaker 2: was definitely someone that elevated the status of America in

1672
01:31:49,760 --> 01:31:52,639
Speaker 2: spite of itself two hundred and fifty years, those two

1673
01:31:52,720 --> 01:31:54,479
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty years would have just been full of

1674
01:31:54,640 --> 01:31:58,920
Speaker 2: all Epstein files. If it wasn't for people like Jesse Jackson.

1675
01:31:59,200 --> 01:32:01,880
Speaker 1: Right, we got all I thought right there, Brother Saint Claire,

1676
01:32:01,880 --> 01:32:03,080
Speaker 1: I let you finish your thought. On the other side,

1677
01:32:03,080 --> 01:32:04,519
Speaker 1: we've got to check the traffic and weather again in

1678
01:32:04,600 --> 01:32:06,680
Speaker 1: that different cities. Family, YouTube can get in on this

1679
01:32:06,760 --> 01:32:09,000
Speaker 1: discussion with Saint Clair Skinner. Just reach out to us

1680
01:32:09,040 --> 01:32:12,040
Speaker 1: a telephone number simple, it's eight hundred four five zero

1681
01:32:12,439 --> 01:32:14,800
Speaker 1: seventy eight seventy six and we'll take your calls after

1682
01:32:14,840 --> 01:32:17,400
Speaker 1: we check the traffic and weather. That's next and Grand

1683
01:32:17,479 --> 01:32:19,479
Speaker 1: Rising family, thanks for staying with us on this Monday

1684
01:32:19,520 --> 01:32:21,880
Speaker 1: morning with our guests. That he's a DC activist, it's

1685
01:32:21,880 --> 01:32:24,840
Speaker 1: a humanitarian. It's also an entrepreneur business plan and he's

1686
01:32:24,840 --> 01:32:27,000
Speaker 1: got a lot of business out there on the continent.

1687
01:32:27,040 --> 01:32:30,280
Speaker 1: And it's got a program called I Love Black People,

1688
01:32:30,360 --> 01:32:31,960
Speaker 1: and it's going to tell us about that before he leaves.

1689
01:32:32,000 --> 01:32:34,040
Speaker 1: But before we left for the break though, Mamma Teller.

1690
01:32:34,040 --> 01:32:35,839
Speaker 1: By the way, we're going to speak with doctor Ray Wimbush.

1691
01:32:35,880 --> 01:32:38,679
Speaker 1: We're talking about the legacy of Reverend Jesse Jacksons. As

1692
01:32:38,720 --> 01:32:41,839
Speaker 1: we speak, his bodies lying in state now in Columbia,

1693
01:32:42,080 --> 01:32:45,680
Speaker 1: South Carolina and brother Saint Clair. Some people, uh bring

1694
01:32:45,800 --> 01:32:48,439
Speaker 1: up the fact that his involvement, alleged involvement in the

1695
01:32:48,479 --> 01:32:51,200
Speaker 1: death of Martin King. Is that something that should be this,

1696
01:32:51,400 --> 01:32:53,559
Speaker 1: Is that something that should be tabled for another day?

1697
01:32:53,960 --> 01:32:55,800
Speaker 1: Or should that be part of his legacy? How do

1698
01:32:55,880 --> 01:32:56,280
Speaker 1: you see it?

1699
01:32:57,120 --> 01:33:02,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's a part of people's conjecture about

1700
01:33:02,560 --> 01:33:06,280
Speaker 2: his legacy. But I think it's not the summation of

1701
01:33:06,360 --> 01:33:09,559
Speaker 2: his legacy. And I don't think it's enough I mean

1702
01:33:09,800 --> 01:33:14,880
Speaker 2: of his legacy to overshadow so much that gets left

1703
01:33:14,920 --> 01:33:18,080
Speaker 2: out or his impact. I think again, when he was

1704
01:33:18,400 --> 01:33:23,439
Speaker 2: alive forty years ago, fifty years ago, I think those

1705
01:33:23,520 --> 01:33:28,400
Speaker 2: conversations super relevant. I think over the time that he's

1706
01:33:28,720 --> 01:33:32,880
Speaker 2: contributed to our communities, I think the significance of that

1707
01:33:33,080 --> 01:33:37,120
Speaker 2: became much much less. And then upon his death, I

1708
01:33:37,200 --> 01:33:40,280
Speaker 2: think you probably are more likely a hater if you're

1709
01:33:40,320 --> 01:33:43,120
Speaker 2: bringing those things up than someone who's trying to get

1710
01:33:43,160 --> 01:33:47,000
Speaker 2: some type of justice. I think again, his body of work,

1711
01:33:47,520 --> 01:33:50,120
Speaker 2: don't add nothing, don't leave anything out. If you had

1712
01:33:50,120 --> 01:33:53,840
Speaker 2: an issue with Jesse Jackson, have it when he's living.

1713
01:33:54,200 --> 01:33:57,800
Speaker 2: Don't wait to don't wait to bring up things that

1714
01:33:57,960 --> 01:34:00,679
Speaker 2: I did when I was in my twenty or teens

1715
01:34:01,160 --> 01:34:04,200
Speaker 2: to somehow use that to talk about a life that

1716
01:34:04,320 --> 01:34:07,240
Speaker 2: he spent into his eighties. I just don't think that.

1717
01:34:07,360 --> 01:34:09,200
Speaker 2: I think it's misplaced, and I.

1718
01:34:09,240 --> 01:34:12,320
Speaker 1: Think that's a great that's a good way to put

1719
01:34:12,360 --> 01:34:14,320
Speaker 1: it though Sinclair, because he was a young man at

1720
01:34:14,360 --> 01:34:16,120
Speaker 1: that time. It wasn't a teacher. I think it was

1721
01:34:16,160 --> 01:34:17,920
Speaker 1: probably in his twenties or early twenties.

1722
01:34:17,960 --> 01:34:20,479
Speaker 2: You're looking at the powerful things that they were doing

1723
01:34:20,600 --> 01:34:23,120
Speaker 2: to us, like, we don't just have it. Even when

1724
01:34:23,200 --> 01:34:26,639
Speaker 2: we talk about Fred Hampton and the things that were

1725
01:34:26,680 --> 01:34:29,600
Speaker 2: done to him, he was literally like twenty in his

1726
01:34:29,760 --> 01:34:33,840
Speaker 2: early twenties, and the young people that they brought up

1727
01:34:33,920 --> 01:34:38,160
Speaker 2: that was involved in doing terrible things were sixteen years old,

1728
01:34:38,320 --> 01:34:42,320
Speaker 2: seventeen years old when the CIA and FBI, well FBI

1729
01:34:42,520 --> 01:34:45,800
Speaker 2: got involved. So what I'm saying is that context is wrong.

1730
01:34:45,960 --> 01:34:46,439
Speaker 5: Is still wrong.

1731
01:34:46,479 --> 01:34:48,840
Speaker 2: I'm not you can't change that part, but we should

1732
01:34:48,840 --> 01:34:53,000
Speaker 2: have a real contextual conversation that again, when we talk

1733
01:34:53,040 --> 01:34:56,679
Speaker 2: about drug dealers, nobody in my community had a passport

1734
01:34:56,720 --> 01:34:59,360
Speaker 2: of new customs. When you make me the villain when

1735
01:34:59,360 --> 01:35:02,280
Speaker 2: I'm really the victim, then we'll never really solve that.

1736
01:35:02,479 --> 01:35:07,120
Speaker 2: And Kwame Toure said that anytime you talked about the

1737
01:35:07,439 --> 01:35:10,200
Speaker 2: victim out of context of the oppressor, you're going to

1738
01:35:10,400 --> 01:35:13,280
Speaker 2: blame the victim. I'm not saying Jesse was a victim,

1739
01:35:13,560 --> 01:35:17,040
Speaker 2: but I know what they were doing to Jesse's and

1740
01:35:17,160 --> 01:35:20,479
Speaker 2: other young people was wrong, and there was nobody there

1741
01:35:20,560 --> 01:35:23,880
Speaker 2: to protect them. There was nobody to stand up and say,

1742
01:35:23,920 --> 01:35:27,280
Speaker 2: you get away from our young people. Well, again, I'm

1743
01:35:27,320 --> 01:35:30,280
Speaker 2: not blaming the young people that made bad decisions. I mean,

1744
01:35:30,280 --> 01:35:34,200
Speaker 2: I'm not excusing the bad decisions made by young people,

1745
01:35:34,600 --> 01:35:36,280
Speaker 2: but no one should be able to put hands on

1746
01:35:36,360 --> 01:35:38,800
Speaker 2: our people like they've been able to. So again, I

1747
01:35:38,920 --> 01:35:42,559
Speaker 2: think many of these things that have happened wrong. Again.

1748
01:35:42,680 --> 01:35:46,600
Speaker 2: We should stop doing victim blaming of young people. In

1749
01:35:46,720 --> 01:35:49,519
Speaker 2: a society where there was no cell phones, the internet,

1750
01:35:50,000 --> 01:35:53,840
Speaker 2: and powerful entities were doing anything they could to harm

1751
01:35:54,000 --> 01:35:56,600
Speaker 2: us or else, We're not going, really ever, to me,

1752
01:35:57,200 --> 01:35:59,880
Speaker 2: addressed the root of the probably the root of the problem.

1753
01:36:00,320 --> 01:36:02,360
Speaker 2: It's not gonna be young people. Young people are gonna

1754
01:36:02,360 --> 01:36:06,760
Speaker 2: be teenagers and twenty year olds forever. The issue is,

1755
01:36:06,880 --> 01:36:09,120
Speaker 2: are they're gonna be people that can get to them

1756
01:36:09,240 --> 01:36:12,080
Speaker 2: and do bad things or get them and influence them.

1757
01:36:12,120 --> 01:36:14,680
Speaker 2: In ways that are harmful, and that's the part we

1758
01:36:14,760 --> 01:36:16,680
Speaker 2: gotta be careful. And then though, what they'll do is

1759
01:36:16,760 --> 01:36:20,000
Speaker 2: make people shame. And then from there again this goes

1760
01:36:20,040 --> 01:36:24,040
Speaker 2: back to this Epstein file. They touch young people and

1761
01:36:24,160 --> 01:36:27,719
Speaker 2: do these bad things to them and forever the impacts

1762
01:36:27,760 --> 01:36:31,439
Speaker 2: of that can be lifelong. So let's be very clear

1763
01:36:31,760 --> 01:36:35,120
Speaker 2: that we are living in a settler colonial country that's

1764
01:36:35,200 --> 01:36:38,320
Speaker 2: killed many of our people. And if we're gonna start

1765
01:36:38,360 --> 01:36:41,160
Speaker 2: talking about wrongdoing and we start off with our own

1766
01:36:41,240 --> 01:36:44,439
Speaker 2: brothers and sisters, I'm just saying, just say you don't

1767
01:36:44,560 --> 01:36:47,040
Speaker 2: like them, but they actually have this conversation based on

1768
01:36:47,680 --> 01:36:50,880
Speaker 2: priorities of merit, I think it might be misguided.

1769
01:36:51,080 --> 01:36:53,880
Speaker 1: All right, ashey to that, and that's at all levels too.

1770
01:36:54,240 --> 01:36:56,760
Speaker 1: Thank you for that analysis. Brother, shin't clear before we

1771
01:36:56,880 --> 01:36:59,160
Speaker 1: let you go, though I love black people, how can

1772
01:36:59,200 --> 01:37:01,680
Speaker 1: we get involved in that? And folks want to follow you?

1773
01:37:01,880 --> 01:37:04,960
Speaker 1: And are you going to overseas anytime soon? Especially what's

1774
01:37:05,000 --> 01:37:05,799
Speaker 1: going on in Irun?

1775
01:37:06,640 --> 01:37:10,479
Speaker 2: Well, I tell you what. I'm here. A good friend

1776
01:37:10,560 --> 01:37:13,600
Speaker 2: of mine, Ken McDuffie's running for office. I want to

1777
01:37:13,640 --> 01:37:15,920
Speaker 2: do a plug for him, but I'm trying my best

1778
01:37:15,960 --> 01:37:19,040
Speaker 2: to be supported with that, brother, you can catch us

1779
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Speaker 2: on I Love Black People dot Com. We've got ourn

1780
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Speaker 2: app on there. Please download the app and spread.

1781
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Speaker 8: The good news.

1782
01:37:25,840 --> 01:37:27,880
Speaker 2: Let people know that there's a tool out there now

1783
01:37:28,479 --> 01:37:31,040
Speaker 2: for the first time really in the history of the planet,

1784
01:37:31,360 --> 01:37:34,519
Speaker 2: we're literally using our technology to leverage the brains of

1785
01:37:34,560 --> 01:37:36,920
Speaker 2: people of our people all over the world to share

1786
01:37:37,320 --> 01:37:40,479
Speaker 2: in black friendly, Pan African friendly spaces. And then we

1787
01:37:40,640 --> 01:37:43,120
Speaker 2: also you can go to Amazon and get the Global

1788
01:37:43,320 --> 01:37:45,800
Speaker 2: Green Book download. I mean it's going to Global Green

1789
01:37:45,800 --> 01:37:48,240
Speaker 2: Book is on Kindle. You can get a copy of it.

1790
01:37:48,360 --> 01:37:51,920
Speaker 2: It's out like fifteen dollars or something. Get the book

1791
01:37:52,080 --> 01:37:54,960
Speaker 2: is full of information that's going to be helpful to

1792
01:37:55,000 --> 01:37:58,080
Speaker 2: you if you're traveling, as well as all the with

1793
01:37:58,680 --> 01:38:03,000
Speaker 2: places that we've had recommended that our black friendly and

1794
01:38:03,120 --> 01:38:06,800
Speaker 2: pen African friendly. So definitely I Love Black People dot Com.

1795
01:38:07,120 --> 01:38:08,200
Speaker 9: You can catch us on on.

1796
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Speaker 2: The office on its two O two five five eight

1797
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Speaker 2: five to one four three. That's two O two five

1798
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Speaker 2: five eight five to one four to three, or you

1799
01:38:17,680 --> 01:38:20,639
Speaker 2: can catch as those email info at I Love Black

1800
01:38:20,680 --> 01:38:21,840
Speaker 2: People dot com.

1801
01:38:23,560 --> 01:38:25,760
Speaker 1: Right, and it's a global global energy so brother and

1802
01:38:25,800 --> 01:38:27,920
Speaker 1: sisters overseas and we're listening to us, you too can

1803
01:38:27,960 --> 01:38:29,519
Speaker 1: get involved, correct, yeah.

1804
01:38:29,439 --> 01:38:32,760
Speaker 2: Please from the UK. We got we got really over

1805
01:38:32,760 --> 01:38:35,120
Speaker 2: one hundred thousand members. When I say that, we've got

1806
01:38:35,360 --> 01:38:38,040
Speaker 2: over one hundred thousand members from the time we've started

1807
01:38:38,280 --> 01:38:41,639
Speaker 2: to now, we've contributed in some way to this app

1808
01:38:41,880 --> 01:38:44,240
Speaker 2: So we couldn't have done it without brothers and sisterms

1809
01:38:44,320 --> 01:38:45,160
Speaker 2: literally globally.

1810
01:38:46,680 --> 01:38:49,200
Speaker 1: That's good to hear. Thank you, Brother Sinclaire, thank you

1811
01:38:49,320 --> 01:38:50,640
Speaker 1: and thank you for what you're doing. Thank you for

1812
01:38:51,080 --> 01:38:53,479
Speaker 1: analysis on what's going on in Iran and also with

1813
01:38:53,560 --> 01:38:56,679
Speaker 1: the revend Jesse Jackson's legacy this morning, right.

1814
01:38:56,600 --> 01:38:59,479
Speaker 2: On, right on right, and thank you for you, Thank you,

1815
01:38:59,720 --> 01:39:01,680
Speaker 2: ye appreciate.

1816
01:39:01,280 --> 01:39:05,720
Speaker 1: You all righty, thanks thanks, Brother Sinclair. Eight minutes after

1817
01:39:05,840 --> 01:39:10,160
Speaker 1: Tope as Grand Rising, Doctor Ray Wimbush, welcome back to

1818
01:39:10,200 --> 01:39:10,639
Speaker 1: the program.

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01:39:10,840 --> 01:39:15,720
Speaker 2: Dr Wimbush, Hey, Brother Carl Love with Brother Sinclair said

1820
01:39:15,800 --> 01:39:17,240
Speaker 2: about Jesse, just love it.

1821
01:39:18,520 --> 01:39:20,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, your reaction to you, what do you think is

1822
01:39:21,040 --> 01:39:21,680
Speaker 1: legacy is going.

1823
01:39:21,680 --> 01:39:21,840
Speaker 5: To be.

1824
01:39:23,560 --> 01:39:23,880
Speaker 6: What you.

1825
01:39:25,640 --> 01:39:27,639
Speaker 2: I think his legacy is going to be as an

1826
01:39:27,920 --> 01:39:31,400
Speaker 2: organizer and more of an activist than an organizer. And

1827
01:39:31,520 --> 01:39:36,200
Speaker 2: sometimes we confuse those who turn I think, you know,

1828
01:39:36,439 --> 01:39:41,800
Speaker 2: carrying the legacy of doctor King uh through six decades

1829
01:39:42,560 --> 01:39:43,360
Speaker 2: and so forth.

1830
01:39:44,200 --> 01:39:44,920
Speaker 6: I think we're brother.

1831
01:39:45,000 --> 01:39:49,200
Speaker 2: Sinclair said that I really resonated to is how right? Now?

1832
01:39:50,080 --> 01:39:54,280
Speaker 2: You know you expected from the white supremacists to point

1833
01:39:54,320 --> 01:40:00,519
Speaker 2: out some of the flaws in Jesse's character. But you know,

1834
01:40:00,760 --> 01:40:06,080
Speaker 2: it's amazing how we are always like dissing ourselves and

1835
01:40:06,200 --> 01:40:11,200
Speaker 2: remembering every little thing that you know, our people do,

1836
01:40:12,479 --> 01:40:17,040
Speaker 2: and we forgive white folks so easily, you know, like

1837
01:40:17,920 --> 01:40:19,719
Speaker 2: you know, I remember when I was looking at John

1838
01:40:19,840 --> 01:40:26,080
Speaker 2: Lewis's funeral a couple of years ago, and how Clinton

1839
01:40:26,680 --> 01:40:31,360
Speaker 2: was just you know, swamped by black folk even as

1840
01:40:31,479 --> 01:40:35,520
Speaker 2: he disc Kwame Toure, you know, the former stophe Carmichael,

1841
01:40:36,280 --> 01:40:39,800
Speaker 2: you know, by you know, signifying on him. But we

1842
01:40:39,960 --> 01:40:43,320
Speaker 2: still love Clinton what some people do, or we'll go

1843
01:40:43,439 --> 01:40:47,600
Speaker 2: to a Liam Neesen movie when he said he was

1844
01:40:47,720 --> 01:40:50,960
Speaker 2: going to kill a black person and of all, you know,

1845
01:40:51,360 --> 01:40:54,679
Speaker 2: of course, we can't forget the black supporters of Trump,

1846
01:40:54,880 --> 01:40:59,879
Speaker 2: even though he still says that the exonerated five, formerly

1847
01:41:00,120 --> 01:41:06,800
Speaker 2: the Central Park five, were guilty of something they didn't do.

1848
01:41:07,320 --> 01:41:10,840
Speaker 2: So and so we we forgive white folks about everything,

1849
01:41:11,760 --> 01:41:11,960
Speaker 2: you know.

1850
01:41:12,240 --> 01:41:14,160
Speaker 1: But well, let me jump in and ask you this question, though,

1851
01:41:14,960 --> 01:41:17,519
Speaker 1: Is that a psychological problem is that emotional problem, is

1852
01:41:17,600 --> 01:41:18,240
Speaker 1: that illness.

1853
01:41:19,000 --> 01:41:24,400
Speaker 2: It shows the success of white supremacy teaching us to

1854
01:41:24,520 --> 01:41:28,799
Speaker 2: be self hating or you know, as you know, Jerome

1855
01:41:28,880 --> 01:41:32,640
Speaker 2: Fox says about being addicted to white You know that

1856
01:41:32,800 --> 01:41:36,320
Speaker 2: we just love our masters and will even though they

1857
01:41:36,479 --> 01:41:40,320
Speaker 2: do us wrong. We still forgive them. But if one

1858
01:41:40,400 --> 01:41:43,439
Speaker 2: of us messes up, you know, we said we're gonna

1859
01:41:43,439 --> 01:41:46,280
Speaker 2: bring it forever. So you know, yeah, I hear black

1860
01:41:46,320 --> 01:41:48,320
Speaker 2: folk a lot of times saying, when I went to

1861
01:41:48,439 --> 01:41:51,280
Speaker 2: that black business and they treated me bad, I ain't

1862
01:41:51,320 --> 01:41:55,400
Speaker 2: never shopping again. But they'll go to Walmart and Target

1863
01:41:56,320 --> 01:41:59,080
Speaker 2: and shop, you know, till they drop, as they say. So,

1864
01:41:59,200 --> 01:42:03,080
Speaker 2: I think part of it is the psychological programming of saying,

1865
01:42:03,920 --> 01:42:06,800
Speaker 2: if you're black, you must hate yourself. And that's been

1866
01:42:07,320 --> 01:42:13,000
Speaker 2: subtly and more overtly, you know, just inserted in our

1867
01:42:13,200 --> 01:42:15,720
Speaker 2: history from you know, the time immemorial.

1868
01:42:17,080 --> 01:42:19,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, but doctor, people who think that way, they don't

1869
01:42:19,320 --> 01:42:22,240
Speaker 1: know that it's self hate. They they think they're getting

1870
01:42:22,280 --> 01:42:26,000
Speaker 1: a better deal. They really subconsciously feel that the white

1871
01:42:26,040 --> 01:42:28,920
Speaker 1: man's eyes is colding his sugar sweeter in his water. Weather.

1872
01:42:29,439 --> 01:42:31,679
Speaker 1: Is there any way we can convince them otherwise?

1873
01:42:32,760 --> 01:42:36,000
Speaker 2: What should we I think we gotta Maybe that's why

1874
01:42:36,000 --> 01:42:39,400
Speaker 2: I chose the professional as an educator, you know, you know,

1875
01:42:40,560 --> 01:42:43,120
Speaker 2: I think we gotta educate. We gotta keep saying it.

1876
01:42:43,720 --> 01:42:46,479
Speaker 2: We got to repeat it and try to you know,

1877
01:42:46,720 --> 01:42:50,840
Speaker 2: liberate people's minds, you know, like Malcolm said the the

1878
01:42:51,200 --> 01:42:55,080
Speaker 2: he said, the trouble with the movement is that we

1879
01:42:55,240 --> 01:43:00,559
Speaker 2: have tried to organize a sleeping people. And I don't

1880
01:43:00,640 --> 01:43:04,679
Speaker 2: mean that to diss us, but I think minnesofar Con

1881
01:43:04,880 --> 01:43:09,040
Speaker 2: does that consistently. You know, I think that we have

1882
01:43:09,280 --> 01:43:12,920
Speaker 2: to wake our people up with more knowledge. You know,

1883
01:43:13,040 --> 01:43:16,200
Speaker 2: I'm again just amazed at some of the things that

1884
01:43:16,320 --> 01:43:19,880
Speaker 2: we don't know that we should know. I mean, white

1885
01:43:19,920 --> 01:43:23,880
Speaker 2: folks call it a cultural knowledge, you know, the everyday

1886
01:43:24,080 --> 01:43:28,000
Speaker 2: knowledge that So if I say seventeen seventy six, people say, oh,

1887
01:43:28,600 --> 01:43:34,559
Speaker 2: Declaration of Independence. You know, if I say November twenty second,

1888
01:43:35,080 --> 01:43:38,880
Speaker 2: nineteen sixty three, people say, oh, that's when Kennedy was assassinated.

1889
01:43:39,240 --> 01:43:43,240
Speaker 2: But if I say like eighteen thirty one, you know,

1890
01:43:43,400 --> 01:43:45,679
Speaker 2: people kind of look at me. And I'm not even

1891
01:43:45,720 --> 01:43:48,600
Speaker 2: going to tell people with eighteen thirty one how it's significant.

1892
01:43:48,760 --> 01:43:51,400
Speaker 2: Look it up. But I think we got to continually

1893
01:43:51,720 --> 01:43:56,519
Speaker 2: educate people about our history, about what's going on. And

1894
01:43:56,720 --> 01:44:01,800
Speaker 2: like again, Ancestor Neely full As said, if you do

1895
01:44:02,000 --> 01:44:05,519
Speaker 2: not understand racism and white supremacy, what it is and

1896
01:44:05,680 --> 01:44:11,080
Speaker 2: how it works, you will be confused about everything, not

1897
01:44:11,400 --> 01:44:15,200
Speaker 2: something everything, And I think that many of us are

1898
01:44:15,360 --> 01:44:16,280
Speaker 2: just confused.

1899
01:44:17,640 --> 01:44:19,760
Speaker 1: Right thirteen out of the top, they have family. I

1900
01:44:19,840 --> 01:44:22,439
Speaker 1: guess it's doctor Ray Wimbush out of Morgan State University.

1901
01:44:22,479 --> 01:44:25,719
Speaker 1: And we're discussing the legacy right now of revend Jesse Jackson.

1902
01:44:26,000 --> 01:44:29,960
Speaker 1: But most folks remember him from his two presidential runs,

1903
01:44:31,320 --> 01:44:33,559
Speaker 1: Dr Wimbush, But for some of us a little older,

1904
01:44:33,720 --> 01:44:37,000
Speaker 1: from the seventy two convention and Gary. That's where he

1905
01:44:37,080 --> 01:44:40,120
Speaker 1: stood out. That's that's where he's one of the leaders

1906
01:44:40,160 --> 01:44:42,760
Speaker 1: that can you can you share the information about the

1907
01:44:43,320 --> 01:44:44,879
Speaker 1: Gary conference for our listeners.

1908
01:44:46,000 --> 01:44:48,080
Speaker 2: Well, I was in Chicago at the time, is you

1909
01:44:48,120 --> 01:44:52,600
Speaker 2: know Garry in Chicago about thirty miles apart, and everybody

1910
01:44:52,720 --> 01:44:56,879
Speaker 2: went to the convention and with Jesse did at the convention,

1911
01:44:57,439 --> 01:45:01,000
Speaker 2: he bridged the He helped bridge the gay between the

1912
01:45:01,120 --> 01:45:07,080
Speaker 2: black nationalists, the civil rights you know advocates, and also

1913
01:45:07,240 --> 01:45:10,800
Speaker 2: you black socialists a Mary barakas you know chaired that

1914
01:45:11,600 --> 01:45:16,600
Speaker 2: and I remember, you know, you know, being in that

1915
01:45:17,160 --> 01:45:21,559
Speaker 2: area at that time, how Jesse pulled everybody together. There

1916
01:45:21,680 --> 01:45:24,720
Speaker 2: was division in Gary about a lot of things in

1917
01:45:24,880 --> 01:45:29,000
Speaker 2: seventy two, but it was, you know, out of that

1918
01:45:29,280 --> 01:45:34,400
Speaker 2: Jesse's speeches and his bringing people together, which he always did.

1919
01:45:35,320 --> 01:45:37,720
Speaker 6: My memory, I met Jesse what.

1920
01:45:38,080 --> 01:45:41,439
Speaker 2: In nineteen seventy, which is I don't know how many

1921
01:45:41,520 --> 01:45:44,479
Speaker 2: years were that, sixty five years, I don't know how

1922
01:45:44,520 --> 01:45:47,280
Speaker 2: long ago it was, you do the math. But and

1923
01:45:47,479 --> 01:45:51,280
Speaker 2: I was attending a seven dad in the church at

1924
01:45:51,360 --> 01:45:53,920
Speaker 2: fifty first in Hyde Park in Chicago, because I was

1925
01:45:54,000 --> 01:45:59,439
Speaker 2: a student there at the university, and we worshiped on

1926
01:46:01,320 --> 01:46:05,360
Speaker 2: and Jesse's push was a block away, and they worship,

1927
01:46:05,479 --> 01:46:09,519
Speaker 2: of course on Sunday, so he would borrow our church

1928
01:46:10,680 --> 01:46:15,760
Speaker 2: on Sunday because it was empty. And that's when I

1929
01:46:15,840 --> 01:46:18,040
Speaker 2: first met. And I remember the first time I saw

1930
01:46:18,920 --> 01:46:22,680
Speaker 2: and I guess my personal memories of Jesse, you know,

1931
01:46:23,439 --> 01:46:27,680
Speaker 2: are to me more not they're not more important, but

1932
01:46:28,080 --> 01:46:31,280
Speaker 2: as important as some of his legacy of his organizing.

1933
01:46:31,760 --> 01:46:34,599
Speaker 2: And I remember he had the first pair of an

1934
01:46:34,640 --> 01:46:37,360
Speaker 2: athletic shoes that I had ever seen out of life.

1935
01:46:37,600 --> 01:46:42,000
Speaker 2: He had a pair of green and white Adidas athletic

1936
01:46:42,080 --> 01:46:46,080
Speaker 2: shoes are And we became friends at that time. And

1937
01:46:47,200 --> 01:46:49,800
Speaker 2: you know, when I was at Vanderbilt, I brought him

1938
01:46:50,000 --> 01:46:53,439
Speaker 2: there and I never will forget. He had this brown

1939
01:46:53,840 --> 01:46:57,840
Speaker 2: leather coat on, and you know, it came into my

1940
01:46:57,960 --> 01:46:59,040
Speaker 2: office at Vanderbilt.

1941
01:46:59,080 --> 01:46:59,599
Speaker 6: We talked.

1942
01:47:00,120 --> 01:47:03,479
Speaker 2: He had, you know, reminisced about being in Chicago. He

1943
01:47:03,640 --> 01:47:06,519
Speaker 2: was still there, of course, and I said, man, let

1944
01:47:06,600 --> 01:47:09,320
Speaker 2: me take your coat. And I picked up his coat

1945
01:47:09,360 --> 01:47:09,600
Speaker 2: and it.

1946
01:47:09,720 --> 01:47:10,840
Speaker 6: Was very heavy.

1947
01:47:10,960 --> 01:47:14,160
Speaker 2: I mean it like almost weighed me down. I said, man,

1948
01:47:14,240 --> 01:47:16,600
Speaker 2: what you got in this coat? He said, Ray that

1949
01:47:16,920 --> 01:47:20,160
Speaker 2: quote a bulletproof and he had some guy guess what's

1950
01:47:20,200 --> 01:47:23,840
Speaker 2: that stuff called tflar or whatever, and then and stuff.

1951
01:47:23,880 --> 01:47:26,800
Speaker 2: But the coat was very heavy. And that when he

1952
01:47:26,880 --> 01:47:29,840
Speaker 2: made his speech that night, he told the audience that

1953
01:47:29,960 --> 01:47:33,880
Speaker 2: there were jelly makers and tree shakers, and he told

1954
01:47:34,000 --> 01:47:37,200
Speaker 2: us that he was a tree shaker, that he wanted

1955
01:47:37,320 --> 01:47:41,960
Speaker 2: to get people, you know, you know, activate people, get

1956
01:47:42,040 --> 01:47:43,840
Speaker 2: them to do things right.

1957
01:47:44,000 --> 01:47:45,800
Speaker 1: Oh, I thought right there at doctor I got to

1958
01:47:45,800 --> 01:47:47,519
Speaker 1: step aside a few and so did you finish your thought?

1959
01:47:47,520 --> 01:47:49,040
Speaker 1: On the other side, family, you two can get in

1960
01:47:49,120 --> 01:47:51,479
Speaker 1: on this conversation about revend Jesse Jackson. What are your

1961
01:47:51,520 --> 01:47:54,280
Speaker 1: thoughts about Reverend Jesse Jackson. Reach out to us at

1962
01:47:54,320 --> 01:47:57,720
Speaker 1: eight hundred and four five zero seventy eight seventy six

1963
01:47:57,760 --> 01:48:01,000
Speaker 1: and we'll take your phone calls. Next Rising Family, Thanks

1964
01:48:01,040 --> 01:48:03,000
Speaker 1: for starting your work week with let's say, twenty minutes

1965
01:48:03,040 --> 01:48:05,479
Speaker 1: after the top of the our guest from Morgan State University,

1966
01:48:05,600 --> 01:48:08,640
Speaker 1: doctor Ray Wembush, right now discussing the legacy of the

1967
01:48:08,760 --> 01:48:11,920
Speaker 1: late Reverend Jesse Jackson. Reverend Jackson's body's line in state

1968
01:48:12,560 --> 01:48:15,519
Speaker 1: in Columbia, South Carolina, his home state. Then he's going

1969
01:48:15,560 --> 01:48:19,200
Speaker 1: back to Chicago at Chicago Push Headquarters for another service

1970
01:48:19,680 --> 01:48:22,520
Speaker 1: and the one for DC they tell me has been postponed.

1971
01:48:23,439 --> 01:48:26,160
Speaker 1: Later on though, with Dr Wembish, we're going to talk

1972
01:48:26,200 --> 01:48:28,719
Speaker 1: about the attack on Iran, of course, the Epstein files,

1973
01:48:28,720 --> 01:48:32,360
Speaker 1: and also tomorrow's election, especially election in Texas. Got to

1974
01:48:32,400 --> 01:48:34,560
Speaker 1: keep on eyes. All eyes will be on Texas for

1975
01:48:34,920 --> 01:48:38,679
Speaker 1: Tuesday so primary election. But back to Reverend Jackson, doctor Webersh,

1976
01:48:38,680 --> 01:48:40,559
Speaker 1: I'm gona let you finish your thought about Reverend Jackson.

1977
01:48:40,880 --> 01:48:42,240
Speaker 1: We he interrupted you with took the break.

1978
01:48:43,520 --> 01:48:43,720
Speaker 5: Well.

1979
01:48:45,120 --> 01:48:49,200
Speaker 2: Jesse just had a tremendous memory and he was extremely

1980
01:48:49,720 --> 01:48:53,760
Speaker 2: well rid most of us are familiar with how he

1981
01:48:53,840 --> 01:48:59,120
Speaker 2: would cite data when he presented information so that people

1982
01:48:59,160 --> 01:49:02,320
Speaker 2: would not I think it was just rhetoric, but he

1983
01:49:02,520 --> 01:49:07,720
Speaker 2: was site thing. He also was a strong supporter of reparations.

1984
01:49:08,800 --> 01:49:12,040
Speaker 2: We saw each other a few years ago, about maybe

1985
01:49:12,120 --> 01:49:15,360
Speaker 2: four or five years ago in Selma, as you know,

1986
01:49:15,600 --> 01:49:20,000
Speaker 2: every first Sunday in March, there's what we call Jubilee,

1987
01:49:20,240 --> 01:49:24,640
Speaker 2: you know, celebrated the crossing in nineteen sixty five of

1988
01:49:24,840 --> 01:49:28,720
Speaker 2: the Edmund Pettis Bridge. And he came up to me

1989
01:49:28,840 --> 01:49:31,559
Speaker 2: and he said, Man, I just love your book Should

1990
01:49:31,600 --> 01:49:35,519
Speaker 2: America Pay Slavery? And the raging debate on reparations, you know,

1991
01:49:36,120 --> 01:49:38,960
Speaker 2: and he was a strong supporter of reparations.

1992
01:49:40,400 --> 01:49:44,479
Speaker 7: Back in two thousand and one, we were all in.

1993
01:49:45,280 --> 01:49:50,320
Speaker 2: Durban, South Africa for the World Conference Against Racism sponsor aby.

1994
01:49:50,280 --> 01:49:50,720
Speaker 6: The u N.

1995
01:49:52,120 --> 01:49:56,160
Speaker 2: And what I liked about Jesse he would come to us,

1996
01:49:56,560 --> 01:50:01,360
Speaker 2: those who were involved with reparation, ask us, Okay, the

1997
01:50:01,479 --> 01:50:05,519
Speaker 2: public is going to be drawn towards me for question

1998
01:50:05,640 --> 01:50:06,840
Speaker 2: what should I be saying?

1999
01:50:07,600 --> 01:50:08,439
Speaker 1: And so he ed.

2000
01:50:08,760 --> 01:50:13,920
Speaker 2: He would take advantage of the people around him for information.

2001
01:50:14,160 --> 01:50:17,280
Speaker 2: He wasn't one of these people like this idiot in

2002
01:50:17,360 --> 01:50:20,160
Speaker 2: the White House, which we'll talk about later on, but

2003
01:50:20,680 --> 01:50:24,240
Speaker 2: he would, he would, you know, he wanted to learn

2004
01:50:24,439 --> 01:50:28,160
Speaker 2: all the time. He was extremely well read, always with

2005
01:50:28,320 --> 01:50:32,680
Speaker 2: a book, and so I remember that side of him

2006
01:50:33,360 --> 01:50:36,920
Speaker 2: a lot, you know, the part that was always learning,

2007
01:50:37,800 --> 01:50:41,080
Speaker 2: you know, and the mistakes that he made. I mean,

2008
01:50:41,120 --> 01:50:44,840
Speaker 2: I wish any of us would, you know, cite any

2009
01:50:44,960 --> 01:50:47,679
Speaker 2: of the mistakes that we made when we were twenty

2010
01:50:48,560 --> 01:50:51,160
Speaker 2: twenty five years old, because all of us have that.

2011
01:50:51,520 --> 01:50:55,160
Speaker 2: And again, black folk gotta get over some of that stuff.

2012
01:50:55,920 --> 01:50:57,320
Speaker 1: Right twenty three at that topic.

2013
01:50:57,520 --> 01:50:57,680
Speaker 2: You know.

2014
01:50:57,760 --> 01:51:00,880
Speaker 1: One of the things he did for us too, doctor

2015
01:51:00,880 --> 01:51:04,280
Speaker 1: Wimbers when he ran for the presidency the first trip around,

2016
01:51:04,320 --> 01:51:07,160
Speaker 1: because you know, before then it was like, could we

2017
01:51:07,280 --> 01:51:10,000
Speaker 1: really become president of the United States before Barack Obama?

2018
01:51:10,600 --> 01:51:13,559
Speaker 1: And he, I guess the first sort of credible campaign,

2019
01:51:13,600 --> 01:51:16,160
Speaker 1: because we know Charlott Cheersham did once and I think

2020
01:51:16,240 --> 01:51:18,760
Speaker 1: the Greg reflirted with doing it at one time. But

2021
01:51:18,960 --> 01:51:22,559
Speaker 1: he ran a credible campaign. And what was interesting about

2022
01:51:22,600 --> 01:51:25,320
Speaker 1: the campaign, as you may recall, that he was trying

2023
01:51:25,360 --> 01:51:28,960
Speaker 1: to get federal help security and if they denied him

2024
01:51:29,000 --> 01:51:31,960
Speaker 1: that all the tricks the Democratic Party played with him,

2025
01:51:32,240 --> 01:51:35,360
Speaker 1: mister Farghon stepped up and said, anywhere you go the FOI,

2026
01:51:35,600 --> 01:51:38,439
Speaker 1: any city there will be there to support you. But

2027
01:51:38,560 --> 01:51:41,120
Speaker 1: what he made people, it made the Democratic Party wake

2028
01:51:41,200 --> 01:51:43,040
Speaker 1: up and know that there's a lot of black people

2029
01:51:43,120 --> 01:51:45,080
Speaker 1: out here. They try to figure out way how to

2030
01:51:45,120 --> 01:51:47,640
Speaker 1: get out votes without using Jesse. Can you address that?

2031
01:51:49,640 --> 01:51:50,759
Speaker 6: You're rightly correct.

2032
01:51:50,800 --> 01:51:54,639
Speaker 2: I mean there's a straight line between Shirley Chisholm's run

2033
01:51:54,760 --> 01:51:58,800
Speaker 2: for president did great, Greg we talking about it and

2034
01:51:58,960 --> 01:52:03,680
Speaker 2: doing something get also Angela Davis ran and Jesse and

2035
01:52:03,800 --> 01:52:07,400
Speaker 2: then you know, of course Barack Obama. There's a straight line.

2036
01:52:08,120 --> 01:52:12,120
Speaker 2: But Jesse had the first really credible campaign and when

2037
01:52:12,160 --> 01:52:16,400
Speaker 2: he was going to Iowa talking to farmers in the

2038
01:52:16,560 --> 01:52:20,080
Speaker 2: field and you know, and people say, man, he's really

2039
01:52:20,280 --> 01:52:23,240
Speaker 2: serious about that and the Democratic Party.

2040
01:52:23,280 --> 01:52:25,360
Speaker 7: And I'm not going to say, you know, six to.

2041
01:52:25,439 --> 01:52:27,720
Speaker 2: One and a half dozen of the other between them

2042
01:52:28,000 --> 01:52:31,200
Speaker 2: and the Republican Party, but what I will say is

2043
01:52:31,280 --> 01:52:35,400
Speaker 2: that it woke up the Democratic Party as you say

2044
01:52:36,040 --> 01:52:40,080
Speaker 2: that we give them our votes consistently, and Jesse said, look,

2045
01:52:40,479 --> 01:52:43,720
Speaker 2: not only are we going to give you know you

2046
01:52:44,200 --> 01:52:46,320
Speaker 2: give you our vote, but you're going to give some

2047
01:52:46,479 --> 01:52:48,720
Speaker 2: of those votes to a black candidate. And he was

2048
01:52:48,800 --> 01:52:52,120
Speaker 2: a viable black candidate. I voted for him in the primaries.

2049
01:52:52,600 --> 01:52:55,880
Speaker 2: And that speech that he made to those both of

2050
01:52:55,920 --> 01:53:00,240
Speaker 2: those conventions, just you know, they're historic, and everybody listen

2051
01:53:00,320 --> 01:53:00,680
Speaker 2: to him.

2052
01:53:01,640 --> 01:53:05,760
Speaker 1: Yeah. I remember the first campaign right because that was

2053
01:53:05,800 --> 01:53:10,439
Speaker 1: coming down the tales of Heimitown when he misspoken and

2054
01:53:10,560 --> 01:53:13,200
Speaker 1: the Washington Post reporter out of him. You remember that

2055
01:53:13,560 --> 01:53:16,080
Speaker 1: that story, man, do I remember it?

2056
01:53:16,200 --> 01:53:20,519
Speaker 2: And the thing about it, when the Honeytown remark came out.

2057
01:53:21,240 --> 01:53:22,679
Speaker 6: This was a black reporter.

2058
01:53:22,920 --> 01:53:27,800
Speaker 2: That thing had happened three weeks before. But see, this

2059
01:53:28,040 --> 01:53:32,519
Speaker 2: is how they use us to hurt us, you know,

2060
01:53:32,680 --> 01:53:35,840
Speaker 2: because he didn't have to say that he was working

2061
01:53:35,920 --> 01:53:38,599
Speaker 2: with news Week or not Washington Post.

2062
01:53:38,479 --> 01:53:39,160
Speaker 1: Washington Post.

2063
01:53:39,880 --> 01:53:43,519
Speaker 6: I forget the brother's name, and his name is forgettable, Coleman.

2064
01:53:43,600 --> 01:53:48,920
Speaker 2: I think his last name was, yeah, whatever his name was.

2065
01:53:49,080 --> 01:53:53,360
Speaker 2: But I mean he used hurt Jesse with that, and

2066
01:53:54,320 --> 01:53:58,559
Speaker 2: and you know, the Jewish vote, you know, abandoned him,

2067
01:53:58,880 --> 01:54:01,560
Speaker 2: and not that they wanted to support him in the

2068
01:54:01,640 --> 01:54:06,280
Speaker 2: first place, you know, but you know Jesse weather through that.

2069
01:54:06,600 --> 01:54:10,680
Speaker 2: But see even now you hear people you know, mentioning well,

2070
01:54:10,760 --> 01:54:12,960
Speaker 2: I remember when he said heimi Town.

2071
01:54:13,520 --> 01:54:14,920
Speaker 6: You know, I remember the.

2072
01:54:15,000 --> 01:54:20,640
Speaker 2: Conspiracies around doctor King's assassination. You know, I don't know,

2073
01:54:21,080 --> 01:54:23,600
Speaker 2: you know, we've got to do better by ourselves.

2074
01:54:24,680 --> 01:54:27,360
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and he at the convention, the first run

2075
01:54:27,439 --> 01:54:28,840
Speaker 1: in San Francisco. I was at that. That was the

2076
01:54:28,880 --> 01:54:32,400
Speaker 1: first political convention I covered at the Msscone Center in

2077
01:54:32,400 --> 01:54:36,080
Speaker 1: San Francisco because of Jesse Jackson running. And he gave

2078
01:54:36,160 --> 01:54:38,640
Speaker 1: that great speech as you mentioned, when he talked about it,

2079
01:54:38,840 --> 01:54:41,280
Speaker 1: my my grape was turning to a race, and I

2080
01:54:41,360 --> 01:54:45,600
Speaker 1: mean the place went crazy those kind of metaphors that

2081
01:54:45,640 --> 01:54:47,520
Speaker 1: he was using, because they you know, they used to

2082
01:54:47,640 --> 01:54:50,560
Speaker 1: straight up a political speech. When Jesse, Jesse brought the

2083
01:54:50,640 --> 01:54:53,680
Speaker 1: flavor to his speech, as you so you know, as

2084
01:54:53,680 --> 01:54:56,560
Speaker 1: you recall, he brought the flavor.

2085
01:54:56,320 --> 01:54:58,320
Speaker 9: To the whole convention.

2086
01:54:59,480 --> 01:55:03,960
Speaker 2: And keep in mind that you know, Ron Brown was there.

2087
01:55:04,440 --> 01:55:07,120
Speaker 2: You know, he was the one that got Ron Brown

2088
01:55:07,280 --> 01:55:11,800
Speaker 2: to become head of the Democratic DNC and stuff. So

2089
01:55:12,360 --> 01:55:16,120
Speaker 2: you know, Jesse did a lot, and I hope his

2090
01:55:16,360 --> 01:55:21,040
Speaker 2: legacy is you know, remembered for how he organized and

2091
01:55:21,400 --> 01:55:24,360
Speaker 2: then the legacy that he had not only at those

2092
01:55:24,480 --> 01:55:29,320
Speaker 2: conventions but rescuing those people who were captive in uh

2093
01:55:30,080 --> 01:55:34,640
Speaker 2: you know, Syria and uh you know, bringing home people.

2094
01:55:34,840 --> 01:55:38,240
Speaker 2: And I don't know if you remember when they brought

2095
01:55:38,320 --> 01:55:43,440
Speaker 2: over the pilot. Uh Reagan invited him to the White House,

2096
01:55:44,080 --> 01:55:47,280
Speaker 2: and Reagan was trying to take credit for bringing the

2097
01:55:47,800 --> 01:55:53,160
Speaker 2: black pilot home, and he wasn't gonna let Jesse speak,

2098
01:55:53,200 --> 01:55:56,000
Speaker 2: even though he was standing right next to him, and

2099
01:55:56,160 --> 01:56:00,400
Speaker 2: Jesse boguarded Reagan, don't way to put it, and he

2100
01:56:00,480 --> 01:56:03,960
Speaker 2: went to the mic and Reagan looked at him. I mean,

2101
01:56:04,000 --> 01:56:06,920
Speaker 2: you can see that stuff on YouTube right now.

2102
01:56:07,360 --> 01:56:08,600
Speaker 6: And Jesse was bold.

2103
01:56:08,800 --> 01:56:12,560
Speaker 2: He was very bold and did things that a lot

2104
01:56:12,680 --> 01:56:16,320
Speaker 2: of us were afraid to do and also said things

2105
01:56:16,400 --> 01:56:18,360
Speaker 2: that many of us were afraid to say.

2106
01:56:19,720 --> 01:56:21,760
Speaker 1: So true thirty minutes you have the topic on one

2107
01:56:21,800 --> 01:56:25,240
Speaker 1: of the things too that anything happened, somebody had to

2108
01:56:25,280 --> 01:56:27,760
Speaker 1: speak up. We could always depend on rev and Jesse

2109
01:56:27,880 --> 01:56:31,080
Speaker 1: Jackson to speak up. Having said that though doctor Webers,

2110
01:56:31,240 --> 01:56:33,640
Speaker 1: is there any is the replacement on the scene. Do

2111
01:56:33,760 --> 01:56:36,200
Speaker 1: we need another Revend Jesse Jacks Do we need another leader?

2112
01:56:36,440 --> 01:56:37,120
Speaker 1: How do you see it?

2113
01:56:38,520 --> 01:56:42,200
Speaker 2: The answer to the first question is no. The answer

2114
01:56:42,280 --> 01:56:45,120
Speaker 2: to the second question for me is why don't we

2115
01:56:45,400 --> 01:56:49,680
Speaker 2: have and I mean, we definitely need local leadership. I

2116
01:56:49,760 --> 01:56:55,120
Speaker 2: always tell people you know, organize, activate in your own community,

2117
01:56:55,280 --> 01:56:59,440
Speaker 2: do what you can do locally. But we also need

2118
01:56:59,600 --> 01:57:03,280
Speaker 2: national leaders and I think we have a few from

2119
01:57:03,320 --> 01:57:07,080
Speaker 2: the civil rights generation now, you know, Andy Young is

2120
01:57:07,400 --> 01:57:10,960
Speaker 2: up in age and so forth, but that national leadership

2121
01:57:11,440 --> 01:57:14,200
Speaker 2: is lacking right now. And I don't want to mention

2122
01:57:14,360 --> 01:57:18,360
Speaker 2: any names, but I think it's lacking right now. I think, uh,

2123
01:57:19,040 --> 01:57:25,480
Speaker 2: it was you know, something that Jagar Hoover always bemoaned

2124
01:57:25,640 --> 01:57:30,360
Speaker 2: the fact that there were several civil rights organizations involved.

2125
01:57:30,520 --> 01:57:34,960
Speaker 2: You know, we had SNICK, we had s SCLC, Republican

2126
01:57:35,040 --> 01:57:40,440
Speaker 2: New Africa Urban League, you know, NAACP, and other more

2127
01:57:40,560 --> 01:57:44,160
Speaker 2: radical organizations like the Black Panther Party and the Black

2128
01:57:44,240 --> 01:57:49,120
Speaker 2: Liberation Army. But now it seems like everything is Black

2129
01:57:49,240 --> 01:57:49,960
Speaker 2: Lives Matter.

2130
01:57:50,960 --> 01:57:52,600
Speaker 7: And I'm not trying to dis that.

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Speaker 2: Organization, but we need more more because Hoover said that

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Speaker 2: if we had just one, it would be easier to

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Speaker 2: control them and not let a black messiah rise. They

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Speaker 2: didn't want Jesse's push. You know, it was too many

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Speaker 2: organizations for the system of white supremacy to handle, and

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Speaker 2: they just you know, and I'm wondering whether or not

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Speaker 2: right now, that's where you know.

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Speaker 6: The Hoover achieved his goal.

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Speaker 1: Twenty nine away from the top of that doctor when

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Speaker 1: he wisold. Had Jesse been alive right now and able,

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Speaker 1: you know, he'd be speaking about the attack on Iran

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Speaker 1: and yeah, just you know, thoughs what positions you think

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Speaker 1: he would take and where would he attack the Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump for attacking Iran?

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Speaker 2: Well, he know he would speak out against the war itself.

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Speaker 2: But I think that he would have been a worthy

2147
01:58:56,560 --> 01:58:59,960
Speaker 2: opponent to deal with Donald Trump on a national level.

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Speaker 2: You know, this idiot in the White House is father.

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Speaker 2: You can tell when he's talking about a black person

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01:59:09,000 --> 01:59:14,440
Speaker 2: because he always says it's racist trope about low IQ individuals.

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Speaker 2: You know, he called with the sister in Minnesota that

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Speaker 2: last week when she demonstrated against him at his so

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Speaker 2: called State of the Unit address. I think Jesse would

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Speaker 2: probably have been involved with trying to mediate some of

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01:59:34,440 --> 01:59:38,680
Speaker 2: this stuff. But even now we're learning that while they

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01:59:38,760 --> 01:59:45,200
Speaker 2: would the United States and supposedly indirectly Israel with negotiating

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Speaker 2: with the Iranians and stuff like that, that they were

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Speaker 2: planning an attack on them. I mean, you can't trust Europeans.

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01:59:53,840 --> 01:59:56,280
Speaker 2: I know that, you know, it's just you can't trust

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Speaker 2: them and keep in mind to Obama's that is, he

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Speaker 2: had already negotiated an incredibly airtight deal with Iran not

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Speaker 2: to build nuclear weapons. And the issue is that is

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Speaker 2: it real or Israel in the Middle East wants to

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Speaker 2: be the sole power and stable quote stable government. They

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Speaker 2: have been itching to attack Iran for years because Iran

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Speaker 2: is an advanced country. I mean, They've ruined Syria all

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Speaker 2: types of places. It's like Israel wants to be the

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Speaker 2: dominant force there and Iran was the last one that

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Speaker 2: they had to deal with. I think Jesse would talk

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Speaker 2: about that, and Jesse would comment on that, and you know,

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Speaker 2: we have some people now talking black folks I'm talking

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Speaker 2: about as national leaders. But Jesse's voice was, you know,

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Speaker 2: as far as I'm deserved, was louder than any of them,

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Speaker 2: uh today, just louder.

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Speaker 1: Right twenty six away from the top, doctor Wembush. And

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Speaker 1: also on Iran, you know, one of the things, ironically,

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Speaker 1: that Donald Trump said before he was in office, he says,

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Speaker 1: in order to get elected, he says that Barack Obama

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Speaker 1: would start a war with Iran. He also says, when

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Speaker 1: he got elected, he says he'll use the attack Iran

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Speaker 1: to get re elected, and he predicted some point he's

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Speaker 1: gonna attack Iran to save face. And somebody sent me

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Speaker 1: all of these that's I didn't know them from memory family,

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Speaker 1: and he says, remember that, He says, remember I predicted

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Speaker 1: a long time ago that President Obama will attacked Iran

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Speaker 1: because of his inability to negotiate a property properly and

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Speaker 1: not skilled. And you were saying that that. The President

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Speaker 1: Obama actually negotiated a peace with Iran over and he

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Speaker 1: and then Donald Trump ignoredy can he address.

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Speaker 7: That for not only did he ignored, he tore it up.

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Speaker 2: I mean, first of all, God doesn't want to build

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Speaker 2: a nuclear weapon. And they have the right to enrich

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Speaker 2: uranium for their people. I mean, we do it, the

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Speaker 2: Europeans do it. Why are they the only ones allowed,

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Speaker 2: if you please, to enrich uranium to have power stations

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Speaker 2: and you know, heat and you know air conditioning, you know,

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Speaker 2: for people. So you know, I mean it's like this

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Speaker 2: arrogance of Europeans in general towards people of color. And

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Speaker 2: you know how Baraque got the deal done to his credit,

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Speaker 2: and how Trump you know, I mean, he's got a

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Speaker 2: worm in his head or a virus in his head

2202
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Speaker 2: that's called Obama, and he just everything is about just

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02:02:51,400 --> 02:02:55,959
Speaker 2: trying to discredit not only Biden, but trying to discredit

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Speaker 2: Obama about anything that he did. You know, that's why

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Speaker 2: he's been going after the Affordable Care Act and other things.

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Speaker 7: So, I mean, and then you know, Trump is an idiot.

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Speaker 2: He's an absolute idiot. He actually said last night, I

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Speaker 2: got him before he got me. I mean, that's so

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Speaker 2: unbecoming and juvenile. It's something like you say on the

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Speaker 2: on the playground when you're fifteen years old.

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Speaker 6: So he's an absolute idiot.

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Speaker 2: He is an intelligent and he's not intelligent enough to deal.

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Speaker 2: You know, you're talking about objectives for the war.

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Speaker 5: What are they?

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Speaker 6: What's the end game of the war.

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Speaker 2: And you know, apparently Maga is just furious about him

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Speaker 2: because as Obama had predicted he was going to start

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Speaker 2: a war anyway with him Ron and Maga's furious about

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Speaker 2: him simply because of the fact that he has started

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Speaker 2: a war, promised that he was going to stop all

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Speaker 2: of them.

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Speaker 1: Right there, We've got to step aside for a few

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Speaker 1: moments and then I'll let you continue on that because

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Speaker 1: we've got to discuss how the impact of the war

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Speaker 1: in Iran. As doctor Wimbush mentioned that there's no endgame.

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Speaker 1: We don't know when it's going to end. Obviously, Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump thinks is going to be a few days, but

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Speaker 1: it looks like it's going to last longer because you

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Speaker 1: Rani and says they're not they don't want to talk,

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02:04:19,800 --> 02:04:22,760
Speaker 1: they want to react, and of course they were attacked first.

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Speaker 1: What are your thoughts? Family, You too can join our

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Speaker 1: conversation with doctor Ray Wimbush. Just reach out to us

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Speaker 1: at eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight seventy

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Speaker 1: six and we'll take your phone calls next and Grant

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Speaker 1: Rising family, thanks for starting your week. We listen our guest,

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Speaker 1: Adam Morgan State University. Dr Ray Wimbush, you want to

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Speaker 1: get on this conversation right now discussing Donald Trump's incursion

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Speaker 1: into Iran. You know he started with Iran and Iran

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Speaker 1: you know he fired the first shot. Let's put it

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Speaker 1: that way. It was his start and the ripple effect.

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Speaker 1: This is something that we have to discuss because it's

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Speaker 1: going to affect all of us. And you know, people

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Speaker 1: are waiting for the stock market to open about twenty

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Speaker 1: minutes and see where the stocks are going. We talked

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Speaker 1: about the streets we well, we have yet talked about

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Speaker 1: the streets of home mows and what happened to the

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Speaker 1: oil production. How that's going to impact me and you?

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Speaker 1: What are your thoughts? Eight hundred four five zero seventy

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Speaker 1: eight seven six Before we go back to Dr Wimbush,

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Speaker 1: So let me just tell you. Coming up later this week,

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Speaker 1: we're going to hear from the University of Houston's professor,

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Speaker 1: doctor Gerald Horn, also Olympian John Carlis, or I should

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Speaker 1: say doctor John Carllis. Some of you may remember from

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Speaker 1: the sixty Olympics in Mexico City. Barry Gordy's son Kerry,

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Speaker 1: We're going to We're gona tak music and motown with

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Speaker 1: Kerry Gordy. Also two of Henrietta A. Laxi's relatives going

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Speaker 1: to be here. Then there's a settlement that wanted with

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Speaker 1: a medical company that Houston her sales inappropriately or without consent.

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Speaker 1: So while this is coming up later this week, sir,

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Speaker 1: if you are in Baltimore, keep that radio locked in

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02:05:41,760 --> 02:05:44,080
Speaker 1: tight on ten ten WLB, or if you're in the

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02:05:44,160 --> 02:05:47,760
Speaker 1: DMV here we're on fourteen fifteen WL. Dr Wimbush that

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Speaker 1: the fallout from this attack on Iran that we're going

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Speaker 1: to see pretty soon, especially on you know, as far

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Speaker 1: as the oil is concerned. Can you address that? Do

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Speaker 1: you do you think? And two, what's China gonna do?

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02:06:02,280 --> 02:06:04,680
Speaker 1: What's Russia gonna do? Because they seem to be sitting

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Speaker 1: back and taking advantage of this. China says is sending

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Speaker 1: missiles to help Iran. Russia say Russia's wants him, that

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Speaker 1: the Trump is untied our hands. They want to get involved.

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Speaker 1: We on the step the doorsteps of World War three.

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Speaker 1: Here your thoughts.

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Speaker 2: I think we are, and I don't say that lightly

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Speaker 2: at all, because this is incredibly it's geopolitical. The straits

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Speaker 2: of our moves, what is it, seventy five percent of

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Speaker 2: our the world's oil comes through the straits of our moves,

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Speaker 2: which the Iranians control. They've already blown up one oil

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Speaker 2: tanker already and said that if any oil comes, anyone

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Speaker 2: tries to go in there, they're going to tackle. China,

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Speaker 2: as you mentioned, are sending missiles to replenish the supply

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Speaker 2: that Iron always already had. Europe has been unusually quiet

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02:07:04,360 --> 02:07:10,839
Speaker 2: because they know that their relationship with Trump is tentative

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Speaker 2: at best. Because of this, you know, the NATO alliance

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Speaker 2: that he's been trying to destroy Russia has been eerily silent,

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Speaker 2: although I think tacitly they support.

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Speaker 6: Iran in this conflict.

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Speaker 5: And again, we have a.

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Speaker 2: President and I don't want to, you know, call it

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Speaker 2: an administration. We have a regime that really doesn't know

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Speaker 2: what it's doing and a president that heads that he

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Speaker 2: has not outlined the objectives. He keeps using the term

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Speaker 2: as if. And but I mean once the endgame. You

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Speaker 2: always have to talk about the end game when you're

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Speaker 2: talking about war. And right now, uh, you mentioned the

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Speaker 2: stock market. I expect the stock market today is going

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Speaker 2: to drop at least five hundred points, and that might

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Speaker 2: be conservative. Oil is the lifeblood of the European nations

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02:08:15,040 --> 02:08:19,200
Speaker 2: around the world, as well as China and u And

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Speaker 2: sometimes I think that we got to connect the dots

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Speaker 2: between his invasion and theft of Venezuelan oil, knowing that

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Speaker 2: he was going to be attacking Iround in a few weeks.

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Speaker 1: So did you think it's all about oil? Or is

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Speaker 1: it about Epstein, or is about the elections or anyone?

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Speaker 1: How do you see this?

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Speaker 2: All of them?

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Speaker 6: The above I think it's all of the above.

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Speaker 2: H You know, I wake up every Saturday morning now,

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Speaker 2: you know, if you know everything happens on Friday night

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Speaker 2: with this idiot and what happens, you know, the Epstein

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Speaker 2: files are going to you know, expose him as a

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Speaker 2: head a file, possibly an accomplished to murder and definitely

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Speaker 2: a child abuser, if you know, by those fifty pages

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Speaker 2: that we heard about last week where he and I

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Speaker 2: don't want to say his on radio, but he had

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Speaker 2: a sex act with a twelve or thirteen year old girl,

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Speaker 2: not woman girl and then hit her and beat her,

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Speaker 2: and so we'restening. I think he will start a war

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Speaker 2: before he allows those files to be open. And I

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Speaker 2: think this coming election, and I've said it and a

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Speaker 2: lot of people are saying that the.

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Speaker 6: Purpose of ICE is not only to.

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Speaker 2: You know, expel you know, undocumented people from the United States,

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Speaker 2: but it's also to set up his own private army

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Speaker 2: in case. And I think he will declare martial law

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Speaker 2: and try to delegitimize the two two twenty sixth election.

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Speaker 1: It's thirty and away from the tower. You know, you

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Speaker 1: mentioned the Friday the news was dumped on a Friday,

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Speaker 1: and those are people who listened to us, who listen

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Speaker 1: to the Open Phone Friday program, not this past Friday.

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Speaker 1: The friday before, Mark from Anaheim called in and he

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Speaker 1: mentioned the fact that this was going to happen, and

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Speaker 1: he also mentioned it was going to happen on this Friday.

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Speaker 1: He says, not this Friday, that particular Friday, but the

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Speaker 1: following Friday that he thought something was going to jump off,

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Speaker 1: and it did. So those of you who remember who

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Speaker 1: listened to that program, can you know, go back if

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Speaker 1: you still have the tape on it. That was the

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Speaker 1: Friday and not this past Friday, the friday before that

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Speaker 1: when he called in and mentioned that and it turned

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Speaker 1: out to be true. So those are That's why when

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Speaker 1: I was doing the promotion for it, I was saying

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Speaker 1: that we're going to talk about this, and I did

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02:10:50,960 --> 02:10:55,120
Speaker 1: not know that Donald Trump was going to invade Iran

2344
02:10:55,440 --> 02:10:58,200
Speaker 1: on the next day. But I just recalled what Mark

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02:10:58,240 --> 02:11:00,280
Speaker 1: Ford told me, and he has never said anything that

2346
02:11:00,360 --> 02:11:03,280
Speaker 1: that's been wrong, and it did happen. So those of

2347
02:11:03,320 --> 02:11:04,880
Speaker 1: you who've been listening knew that this was going to

2348
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Speaker 1: take place. I just want to share that with you.

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Speaker 1: Eight hundred and four or five zero go ahead, don no.

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Speaker 2: I'm you know, black folks. We're prophetic people, right. I

2351
02:11:15,120 --> 02:11:18,600
Speaker 2: attended a conferences past week in Philly, and we're a

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02:11:18,720 --> 02:11:23,280
Speaker 2: prophetic people. We have predicted. Jesse was prophetic. The brother

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02:11:23,440 --> 02:11:27,480
Speaker 2: you just mentioned was prophetic. I mean all of us

2354
02:11:27,840 --> 02:11:31,400
Speaker 2: black folks. You remember, right when Trump got elected, they

2355
02:11:31,520 --> 02:11:33,920
Speaker 2: had this little meme of these black women sitting on

2356
02:11:34,000 --> 02:11:38,000
Speaker 2: the roof and watching America burn down. You know, I

2357
02:11:38,120 --> 02:11:41,600
Speaker 2: had issues with COMMLO, but she was profetic about what

2358
02:11:41,880 --> 02:11:44,760
Speaker 2: Trump was going to do. And he's done that and more.

2359
02:11:45,320 --> 02:11:48,280
Speaker 2: And I think that, you know, like Alice Walker says

2360
02:11:48,400 --> 02:11:53,320
Speaker 2: that she wishes that white people, with white men specifically,

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02:11:53,440 --> 02:11:57,920
Speaker 2: would just keep quiet for one hundred years and listen

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02:11:58,040 --> 02:12:00,280
Speaker 2: to black folk and they would learn.

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Speaker 1: So, you know, well, let me add this. Dick Gregor

2364
02:12:03,800 --> 02:12:05,760
Speaker 1: used to call Mark from NA I'm an early warning

2365
02:12:05,880 --> 02:12:09,160
Speaker 1: system when they were both on the radio. He said, hey, man,

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02:12:09,320 --> 02:12:12,280
Speaker 1: keep that brother close. He's an early warning is a

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02:12:12,520 --> 02:12:15,640
Speaker 1: human early warning system. One of the things Mark talked

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02:12:15,640 --> 02:12:17,880
Speaker 1: about that Friday when he called in was he says,

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02:12:17,960 --> 02:12:20,040
Speaker 1: if people want to know a better idea what's happening,

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Speaker 1: he says, he recommend a research, full spectrum Dominance and

2371
02:12:24,280 --> 02:12:28,480
Speaker 1: the Project of the New American Century p NAC Seven

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02:12:28,640 --> 02:12:31,280
Speaker 1: Nations Plan. And this is when before he see it,

2373
02:12:31,320 --> 02:12:32,800
Speaker 1: and he says, he said, if something's going to happen,

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02:12:32,800 --> 02:12:35,760
Speaker 1: he iron it will happen on Saturday. And he added, no,

2375
02:12:36,200 --> 02:12:39,080
Speaker 1: now I do not mean tomorrow, but rather next Saturday.

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02:12:39,240 --> 02:12:41,760
Speaker 1: And next Saturday it happened. So those of you who listen,

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02:12:42,080 --> 02:12:45,240
Speaker 1: go back and listen to tape. And as doctor Winbush said,

2378
02:12:45,400 --> 02:12:47,920
Speaker 1: prophetic and as I mentioned earlier, because he's been with

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02:12:48,040 --> 02:12:50,520
Speaker 1: us for quite some time, Dick Gregory always said, keep

2380
02:12:50,600 --> 02:12:53,240
Speaker 1: that brother close. He's an early warning system. It was

2381
02:12:53,280 --> 02:12:55,560
Speaker 1: sort of the spook could sat at the door, doctor Wimbush.

2382
02:12:55,680 --> 02:12:57,880
Speaker 1: So we were head of the learning curve when it

2383
02:12:57,960 --> 02:12:59,800
Speaker 1: came to all kinds of different issues.

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02:13:01,000 --> 02:13:01,480
Speaker 6: That's right.

2385
02:13:02,120 --> 02:13:05,120
Speaker 2: And we need to listen to our people more.

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02:13:05,800 --> 02:13:05,960
Speaker 5: You know.

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02:13:07,120 --> 02:13:12,640
Speaker 2: We always are ahead of what's going on in the world,

2388
02:13:13,320 --> 02:13:17,040
Speaker 2: you know, and if we don't listen, we make mistakes.

2389
02:13:17,680 --> 02:13:17,880
Speaker 5: You know.

2390
02:13:18,520 --> 02:13:21,000
Speaker 2: You and I have talked about this on the radio

2391
02:13:21,160 --> 02:13:24,160
Speaker 2: a lot. I still don't to this day don't understand

2392
02:13:24,240 --> 02:13:27,920
Speaker 2: how black people are voting for him and still support him,

2393
02:13:28,560 --> 02:13:33,960
Speaker 2: you know. But you know, our prophetic voice is something

2394
02:13:34,040 --> 02:13:37,120
Speaker 2: that we have learned, we kind of put it aside

2395
02:13:37,200 --> 02:13:39,920
Speaker 2: and we'll listen to white folks, just like some black

2396
02:13:40,000 --> 02:13:44,120
Speaker 2: folks are listening still to Trump. You know right now

2397
02:13:44,720 --> 02:13:47,640
Speaker 2: you can see it all over social media and even

2398
02:13:47,760 --> 02:13:52,280
Speaker 2: publicly and how Trump uses that uses as I mean,

2399
02:13:52,360 --> 02:13:56,240
Speaker 2: look at Nicki Minaj right now, you know, to influence

2400
02:13:56,360 --> 02:13:59,720
Speaker 2: and we've got to listen to our own people who have.

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02:13:59,800 --> 02:14:03,080
Speaker 1: The His on the street got you nine away from

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02:14:03,120 --> 02:14:05,720
Speaker 1: the top. Let's go to DC. Mike's waiting for us.

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02:14:05,760 --> 02:14:09,200
Speaker 1: He's online. Three grand rising. Mike, you're on with doctor Wimbush,

2404
02:14:10,640 --> 02:14:11,919
Speaker 1: Uh Grand.

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02:14:11,760 --> 02:14:15,280
Speaker 5: Rosin, doctor Wimbush, and uh mister Nelson and Kevin Uh

2406
02:14:15,640 --> 02:14:18,840
Speaker 5: doctor wm Bush. You're way, way, way off, out of touch.

2407
02:14:18,920 --> 02:14:21,440
Speaker 5: You have no idea what you're talking about. You have

2408
02:14:21,560 --> 02:14:24,280
Speaker 5: no idea about foreign policy, You have no idea for

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02:14:24,440 --> 02:14:25,000
Speaker 5: human life.

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02:14:25,360 --> 02:14:27,720
Speaker 1: Mike, Mike, Mike, Mike, Mike, do is a favor instead

2411
02:14:27,720 --> 02:14:31,240
Speaker 1: of hurling insults? Explain why why you think he doesn't?

2412
02:14:31,320 --> 02:14:36,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, killed over thirty thousand people. Thirty thousand people. They

2413
02:14:36,920 --> 02:14:40,960
Speaker 5: have no First Amendment at Second Amendment rights. Okay, they

2414
02:14:41,080 --> 02:14:44,480
Speaker 5: kill he killed for forty seven years, they terror rosins.

2415
02:14:44,680 --> 02:14:48,960
Speaker 5: You can't go around saying, gentlemen, threat to America, kill

2416
02:14:49,000 --> 02:14:52,600
Speaker 5: America killed Israel. You cannot do that. You cannot do that.

2417
02:14:52,760 --> 02:14:54,680
Speaker 5: And and they tried to have him kill. He admitted

2418
02:14:54,720 --> 02:14:56,480
Speaker 5: that he tried to have him killed. What's you supposed

2419
02:14:56,480 --> 02:14:59,400
Speaker 5: to do? He freed people in Venezuela. The people in

2420
02:14:59,480 --> 02:15:03,320
Speaker 5: Venezuela have free elections. They're still American assets in Venezuela.

2421
02:15:03,600 --> 02:15:06,040
Speaker 5: They were taking all the oil. That's why Trump wanted

2422
02:15:06,040 --> 02:15:08,800
Speaker 5: they we do. We had the death toll right now

2423
02:15:08,920 --> 02:15:11,920
Speaker 5: and drug addiction United States, that's down. We're doing this

2424
02:15:12,200 --> 02:15:15,360
Speaker 5: right now. Cuba it's next. This is a sin of

2425
02:15:15,520 --> 02:15:19,000
Speaker 5: warning to China. China is now in trouble because they

2426
02:15:19,040 --> 02:15:23,120
Speaker 5: have no oil mines Venezuela. Don't hold on. I don't

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02:15:23,120 --> 02:15:24,320
Speaker 5: know how to hold Mike.

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02:15:24,440 --> 02:15:27,200
Speaker 2: Now, you hold on for a second, bro, Are you

2429
02:15:27,320 --> 02:15:28,360
Speaker 2: a black maggage?

2430
02:15:28,440 --> 02:15:30,920
Speaker 5: They they got all the oil.

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02:15:31,160 --> 02:15:34,640
Speaker 1: But all right, Mike, we got the talking points. The

2432
02:15:35,080 --> 02:15:37,120
Speaker 1: doctor Wimbush asked, can we know what you're gonna say?

2433
02:15:37,160 --> 02:15:39,520
Speaker 1: Because those are talking points. That's why we tell people

2434
02:15:39,560 --> 02:15:41,840
Speaker 1: to free your mind and think for yourself. But doctor

2435
02:15:41,840 --> 02:15:44,520
Speaker 1: waimbers your question for Mike. Mike, just listening and respond to.

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02:15:44,600 --> 02:15:47,560
Speaker 2: Let me ask you something, Why are you supporting Trump

2437
02:15:47,760 --> 02:15:48,960
Speaker 2: because of what you just said?

2438
02:15:49,240 --> 02:15:52,800
Speaker 5: You Thursday dollars? Don't talk about black people this and

2439
02:15:52,920 --> 02:15:54,560
Speaker 5: black people that don't do that?

2440
02:15:55,560 --> 02:15:56,160
Speaker 2: What do you say?

2441
02:15:56,280 --> 02:15:57,200
Speaker 5: Why not? Why not?

2442
02:15:57,600 --> 02:15:57,920
Speaker 2: Why not?

2443
02:15:59,200 --> 02:16:02,760
Speaker 5: Anytime? Anytime you don't see a black person to agree

2444
02:16:02,840 --> 02:16:05,600
Speaker 5: with you, something's wrong with them. You know, there's something

2445
02:16:05,680 --> 02:16:06,600
Speaker 5: wrong with people.

2446
02:16:07,360 --> 02:16:08,440
Speaker 6: Brothers, but brother.

2447
02:16:08,360 --> 02:16:12,320
Speaker 7: Brother like, so what let me ask you this.

2448
02:16:12,520 --> 02:16:15,320
Speaker 2: Do you think that the Central Park five were guilty

2449
02:16:15,840 --> 02:16:17,840
Speaker 2: of raping a white woman years ago?

2450
02:16:18,080 --> 02:16:18,920
Speaker 6: Do you believe that.

2451
02:16:20,520 --> 02:16:22,400
Speaker 5: Thirty thousand people? What do you say about that?

2452
02:16:22,640 --> 02:16:25,600
Speaker 2: You keep you you're doing talking points.

2453
02:16:25,800 --> 02:16:28,000
Speaker 5: Women's being killed in the street. What do you got

2454
02:16:28,040 --> 02:16:28,240
Speaker 5: to say?

2455
02:16:28,400 --> 02:16:28,520
Speaker 4: Right?

2456
02:16:29,440 --> 02:16:32,480
Speaker 1: Okay, Mike, Mike, do you want to answer.

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02:16:32,200 --> 02:16:34,720
Speaker 2: Any question or you want to people continue to say

2458
02:16:35,200 --> 02:16:35,840
Speaker 2: talking point?

2459
02:16:36,320 --> 02:16:40,680
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, thanks Mike again again, and that's what

2460
02:16:40,800 --> 02:16:42,720
Speaker 1: we tell people to free of mind. Just don't come

2461
02:16:42,760 --> 02:16:44,760
Speaker 1: with a talking points. We know what they are and

2462
02:16:44,840 --> 02:16:48,720
Speaker 1: that's what he was using. Doctor Wambush your response, Yeah.

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02:16:48,600 --> 02:16:49,280
Speaker 6: You know, I don't know.

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02:16:49,720 --> 02:16:53,240
Speaker 2: You know, I've talked to black maggots before and they're

2465
02:16:53,360 --> 02:16:56,880
Speaker 2: brainwashed people and it's not a matter of disagree. They

2466
02:16:56,920 --> 02:16:59,640
Speaker 2: don't want a dialogue they they sight with.

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02:16:59,800 --> 02:17:00,959
Speaker 6: The master has.

2468
02:17:00,959 --> 02:17:05,760
Speaker 2: Told them to recite, but they don't really want to talk.

2469
02:17:07,320 --> 02:17:09,760
Speaker 2: And you know, I feel sorry for him. I think

2470
02:17:09,840 --> 02:17:13,560
Speaker 2: it shows the success of white supremacy in brainwashing US.

2471
02:17:14,400 --> 02:17:16,920
Speaker 2: But you know, they're very difficult to talk to. That's

2472
02:17:16,920 --> 02:17:19,560
Speaker 2: all I can say about the brother. You know, he's

2473
02:17:19,680 --> 02:17:25,200
Speaker 2: good at reading and memorizing the talking points of you know,

2474
02:17:25,480 --> 02:17:29,120
Speaker 2: with you know, his leader, I guess and saying I

2475
02:17:29,200 --> 02:17:33,520
Speaker 2: mean I heard him say something about Venezuela. Trump is

2476
02:17:33,600 --> 02:17:37,760
Speaker 2: a pirate. He stole those ships and taking the oil.

2477
02:17:38,680 --> 02:17:42,840
Speaker 2: You know, there's no there's you know, this idea they

2478
02:17:43,000 --> 02:17:46,280
Speaker 2: reduced crime in the United States. Crime was going down

2479
02:17:46,400 --> 02:17:50,000
Speaker 2: at all time loads anyway. Trump had absolutely nothing to

2480
02:17:50,120 --> 02:17:50,480
Speaker 2: do with.

2481
02:17:50,640 --> 02:17:51,640
Speaker 6: That, you know.

2482
02:17:51,840 --> 02:17:54,119
Speaker 2: So I don't know what to say about that. It's

2483
02:17:54,320 --> 02:17:57,600
Speaker 2: you know, sometimes talking to black maggots or like speaking

2484
02:17:58,600 --> 02:18:02,040
Speaker 2: French in the Chinese r and soron in Greece. You know,

2485
02:18:02,200 --> 02:18:04,880
Speaker 2: you just can't it gets lost in translation.

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02:18:06,080 --> 02:18:07,760
Speaker 1: Yeah. And one of the things that Mike should check

2487
02:18:07,840 --> 02:18:11,160
Speaker 1: out too, because they get their information from one source.

2488
02:18:11,200 --> 02:18:12,800
Speaker 1: They don't look at both sides of the story to

2489
02:18:12,840 --> 02:18:15,720
Speaker 1: get the information. He would say that the latest poll

2490
02:18:15,840 --> 02:18:18,640
Speaker 1: is out, Doctor Wayne Bush said, most people are opposed

2491
02:18:18,760 --> 02:18:23,080
Speaker 1: to the United States attack in Iraq. That's a worldwide

2492
02:18:23,120 --> 02:18:26,640
Speaker 1: pole that was taken this weekend, right after the attack.

2493
02:18:27,280 --> 02:18:28,400
Speaker 1: Most people are opposed to it.

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02:18:28,800 --> 02:18:32,600
Speaker 7: So you know, the only people go ahead and well

2495
02:18:32,879 --> 02:18:37,320
Speaker 7: and it's also like again, you know Joey uh uh

2496
02:18:38,400 --> 02:18:39,039
Speaker 7: what's her name?

2497
02:18:39,160 --> 02:18:41,359
Speaker 6: You court, she did a great.

2498
02:18:41,480 --> 02:18:44,640
Speaker 7: You know thing on CNN and the other night about

2499
02:18:44,760 --> 02:18:45,240
Speaker 7: you know, like I.

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02:18:45,320 --> 02:18:46,920
Speaker 6: Looked at sixty minutes last night.

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02:18:47,360 --> 02:18:50,080
Speaker 2: You know, the guy with his name that he's the

2502
02:18:50,720 --> 02:18:54,039
Speaker 2: relative of the Polabb family who used.

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02:18:53,840 --> 02:18:56,000
Speaker 1: To rule Iran.

2504
02:18:56,320 --> 02:19:01,160
Speaker 6: Yeah right, you know, a US tool.

2505
02:19:01,720 --> 02:19:05,880
Speaker 2: You know, they want to try to possibly insert him

2506
02:19:06,400 --> 02:19:09,560
Speaker 2: to govern Iran. He wants to do that, he said,

2507
02:19:09,600 --> 02:19:13,080
Speaker 2: at least during a transition. But see, people, a few

2508
02:19:13,120 --> 02:19:17,560
Speaker 2: people have heard about Mohammad most of the day, who

2509
02:19:17,640 --> 02:19:21,640
Speaker 2: the CI deposed in the nineteen or took out in

2510
02:19:21,760 --> 02:19:26,440
Speaker 2: the nineteen fifties because he wanted to nationalize the oil

2511
02:19:26,600 --> 02:19:31,000
Speaker 2: industry because he knew that the West, particularly BP oil,

2512
02:19:31,879 --> 02:19:38,600
Speaker 2: was exploiting Iran. And how in nineteen seventy nine the

2513
02:19:38,760 --> 02:19:42,400
Speaker 2: whole thing you know, collapsed because they got rid of

2514
02:19:42,480 --> 02:19:45,840
Speaker 2: the Shah of Iran. You know, that's how this group

2515
02:19:45,959 --> 02:19:49,960
Speaker 2: came in so to reinstall him again. We don't read history,

2516
02:19:50,440 --> 02:19:52,400
Speaker 2: and you know, brother Mike, you know, tell him to

2517
02:19:52,440 --> 02:19:54,680
Speaker 2: come to my class and Morgan, I'll teach him a

2518
02:19:54,760 --> 02:19:57,240
Speaker 2: few things, all right, and.

2519
02:19:57,320 --> 02:19:59,280
Speaker 1: Let him singer on that as we take a step

2520
02:19:59,320 --> 02:20:02,119
Speaker 1: aside so usations can identify themselves down the line. It's

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02:20:02,160 --> 02:20:03,840
Speaker 1: three minutes away from the top of the our family,

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02:20:03,920 --> 02:20:06,920
Speaker 1: I guess is doctor Ray Wimbisch's classes. He teaches at

2523
02:20:06,959 --> 02:20:09,680
Speaker 1: Morgan State University in Baltimore. You want to join the

2524
02:20:09,680 --> 02:20:11,760
Speaker 1: class this morning, though, reach out to us at eight

2525
02:20:11,879 --> 02:20:15,080
Speaker 1: hundred four or five zero seventy eight seventy six and

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Speaker 1: we'll take a calls next and grand Rising family, thanks

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Speaker 1: just starting your week with us. Made it after top

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02:20:19,959 --> 02:20:22,160
Speaker 1: of that of our guest Dr Ray Wimbish from Morgan

2529
02:20:22,240 --> 02:20:26,880
Speaker 1: State University. Right now, we're discussing the Trump administration's attack

2530
02:20:26,959 --> 02:20:32,200
Speaker 1: on Iran. It was premeditated, it wasn't It wasn't started

2531
02:20:32,240 --> 02:20:34,680
Speaker 1: by any one thing. We're still getting trying to wait,

2532
02:20:34,879 --> 02:20:37,240
Speaker 1: doctor Wimbush, for Donald Trump to speak to the American

2533
02:20:37,320 --> 02:20:40,160
Speaker 1: people explain to us though. Can he really start a

2534
02:20:40,200 --> 02:20:45,120
Speaker 1: war without getting Congress's approval? That's one question? And what

2535
02:20:45,240 --> 02:20:47,000
Speaker 1: do you think the endgame is. He hasn't told us

2536
02:20:47,040 --> 02:20:49,040
Speaker 1: what the endgame is, what he's trying to achieve. How

2537
02:20:49,160 --> 02:20:52,760
Speaker 1: long and we see American troops on the ground in Iran.

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02:20:53,120 --> 02:20:56,360
Speaker 2: Your thoughts, well, I don't think he knows what the

2539
02:20:56,600 --> 02:20:59,760
Speaker 2: end game is. And I think it again shows Israel's

2540
02:20:59,800 --> 02:21:04,160
Speaker 2: influence in foreign policy in the so called Middle East.

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02:21:05,040 --> 02:21:10,160
Speaker 2: I think that he's doing this primarily on behest of Israel.

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02:21:11,640 --> 02:21:15,840
Speaker 2: The other thing, think about he's attacked a nation and

2543
02:21:15,959 --> 02:21:18,800
Speaker 2: then tells the people on that first address with the

2544
02:21:18,959 --> 02:21:21,080
Speaker 2: baseball hat on and said USA.

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02:21:21,640 --> 02:21:25,760
Speaker 7: The other night, he says to the people, I'm you know.

2546
02:21:25,760 --> 02:21:26,640
Speaker 6: I'm rescuing.

2547
02:21:27,040 --> 02:21:32,440
Speaker 2: Essentially, I'm rescuing you. You know we're gonna you know you,

2548
02:21:32,600 --> 02:21:36,240
Speaker 2: But it's you that have to do something.

2549
02:21:36,080 --> 02:21:39,960
Speaker 6: To install democracy.

2550
02:21:39,400 --> 02:21:43,800
Speaker 2: In your country again. So he wins either way. If

2551
02:21:43,840 --> 02:21:48,920
Speaker 2: the Iranian people do kick out you know, the Revolutionary

2552
02:21:49,000 --> 02:21:54,360
Speaker 2: Guard and the Schiai clerics that ruled Iran for the

2553
02:21:54,480 --> 02:21:59,280
Speaker 2: past thirty something years, he'll take credit for doing that.

2554
02:22:00,120 --> 02:22:03,360
Speaker 2: If they don't, he can say, well I tried. So

2555
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Speaker 2: here's the president that starts a war and then leaves

2556
02:22:07,360 --> 02:22:12,840
Speaker 2: the room. But make sure that his legacy will be well,

2557
02:22:13,000 --> 02:22:16,240
Speaker 2: I tried to get them to do this. We destroyed

2558
02:22:16,280 --> 02:22:20,720
Speaker 2: the country, as Israel told us to do, but they

2559
02:22:20,760 --> 02:22:24,400
Speaker 2: didn't really take advantage of that. So I mean, it's

2560
02:22:24,600 --> 02:22:27,800
Speaker 2: very clever and very sinister what he's doing right now.

2561
02:22:28,080 --> 02:22:31,480
Speaker 2: But I don't think he has any objectives. I really don't.

2562
02:22:32,320 --> 02:22:35,240
Speaker 1: Well, before I take out the coffee, who wins? Who

2563
02:22:35,360 --> 02:22:37,480
Speaker 1: benefits from this attack on Iran?

2564
02:22:38,560 --> 02:22:40,840
Speaker 6: Well, it certainly isn't going.

2565
02:22:40,760 --> 02:22:40,959
Speaker 10: To be.

2566
02:22:42,680 --> 02:22:46,320
Speaker 2: The American consumer. As he talked about being a threat

2567
02:22:46,920 --> 02:22:49,800
Speaker 2: to us, it wasn't a threat. Republicans are saying that

2568
02:22:50,480 --> 02:22:53,680
Speaker 2: the only person that wins if you please, is Israel,

2569
02:22:54,600 --> 02:22:58,840
Speaker 2: and I think that we neglect Israel has been very

2570
02:22:58,959 --> 02:23:03,760
Speaker 2: successful and keeping his name out of the major news

2571
02:23:04,040 --> 02:23:09,520
Speaker 2: organizations from the Epstein fiul. Epstein was a massad agent,

2572
02:23:10,200 --> 02:23:12,280
Speaker 2: and I don't want to get a sidetracked on that.

2573
02:23:12,400 --> 02:23:16,640
Speaker 2: But I think in terms of like who when Trump

2574
02:23:17,800 --> 02:23:21,040
Speaker 2: gets little out of this, I mean he's alienated his

2575
02:23:21,320 --> 02:23:27,039
Speaker 2: maggot followers like your former caller. Apparently there's still black

2576
02:23:27,080 --> 02:23:30,920
Speaker 2: folks a portal. But because he promised not to start

2577
02:23:31,000 --> 02:23:35,680
Speaker 2: any more wars and he's done that, and he's right

2578
02:23:35,800 --> 02:23:39,640
Speaker 2: now unchecked and the Congress under Mike Uh, well, the

2579
02:23:39,840 --> 02:23:45,560
Speaker 2: House of Representatives are House under Mike Johnson is totally impotent.

2580
02:23:45,920 --> 02:23:49,640
Speaker 2: Totally impotent, and I think that he doesn't want to

2581
02:23:49,680 --> 02:23:54,040
Speaker 2: be a lane Dug president from the November election. So

2582
02:23:54,160 --> 02:23:58,280
Speaker 2: I think he's slowly but surely setting up his ice,

2583
02:23:59,040 --> 02:24:03,760
Speaker 2: you know, army throughout this country right now to you know,

2584
02:24:03,920 --> 02:24:06,680
Speaker 2: to declare martial law. Now, I'm not the only one

2585
02:24:06,760 --> 02:24:07,760
Speaker 2: saying that, a lot.

2586
02:24:07,640 --> 02:24:11,119
Speaker 1: Of people are saying that will help us out. One

2587
02:24:11,160 --> 02:24:13,960
Speaker 1: more cervious class for us, isn't Congress is supposed to

2588
02:24:14,000 --> 02:24:15,840
Speaker 1: want to authorize the way go to war or not?

2589
02:24:16,040 --> 02:24:19,000
Speaker 1: Or can he just learn the latter just you know,

2590
02:24:19,160 --> 02:24:21,640
Speaker 1: start sending troops over there.

2591
02:24:22,760 --> 02:24:27,160
Speaker 2: You have to give you you're supposed to get under

2592
02:24:27,360 --> 02:24:33,600
Speaker 2: the War Powers Act. You're supposed to get permission from

2593
02:24:33,760 --> 02:24:37,520
Speaker 2: Congress and let them know why you are starting a

2594
02:24:37,640 --> 02:24:41,800
Speaker 2: war before you attack. And Congress is supposed to be

2595
02:24:42,040 --> 02:24:45,280
Speaker 2: I mean, the Constitution says that, but he's shown that

2596
02:24:45,360 --> 02:24:49,240
Speaker 2: he doesn't care about what the constitution says. So and

2597
02:24:49,400 --> 02:24:54,560
Speaker 2: Mike Johnson is his lackey. The Democrats aren't in power,

2598
02:24:55,320 --> 02:24:59,800
Speaker 2: and right now we're under a dictatorship. I think it's

2599
02:24:59,840 --> 02:25:04,200
Speaker 2: a solve dictatorship that will hardened as we approached the

2600
02:25:04,320 --> 02:25:09,120
Speaker 2: November election. But we're supposed to get he's supposed to

2601
02:25:09,200 --> 02:25:12,520
Speaker 2: get provisioned. But he doesn't care about the Constitution. He

2602
02:25:12,640 --> 02:25:13,360
Speaker 2: doesn't at all.

2603
02:25:14,200 --> 02:25:15,600
Speaker 1: All Right, we got a bunch of folks want to

2604
02:25:15,600 --> 02:25:17,680
Speaker 1: talk to you, doctor Wimbush. Let's start with Carl. He's

2605
02:25:17,720 --> 02:25:20,400
Speaker 1: calling from West Palm Beach in Florida. He's on line one,

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02:25:20,520 --> 02:25:24,879
Speaker 1: Grand Rising Carl. Your question for doctor Wimbush, Grand Grand.

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02:25:24,760 --> 02:25:28,080
Speaker 8: Rising Family, Carl. I wanted to look asked doctor Winbush

2608
02:25:28,160 --> 02:25:31,000
Speaker 8: to take a critical look at the domestic policy. And

2609
02:25:31,320 --> 02:25:33,440
Speaker 8: my reason for saying such is because I go to

2610
02:25:33,560 --> 02:25:38,160
Speaker 8: Carl Nelson Radioversity and last week in our class, we

2611
02:25:38,280 --> 02:25:41,160
Speaker 8: had the sister that was the first judge I believe

2612
02:25:41,240 --> 02:25:44,360
Speaker 8: in Alabama, and she came on and she shared with

2613
02:25:44,560 --> 02:25:48,320
Speaker 8: us how right now, the educators inside of the Black Well,

2614
02:25:48,360 --> 02:25:51,840
Speaker 8: the educators in America need to twitch their focus. We

2615
02:25:52,000 --> 02:25:55,320
Speaker 8: need to get some more accountability from our churches, from

2616
02:25:55,400 --> 02:25:59,000
Speaker 8: our fraternal orders, our sororities and everybody. And we need

2617
02:25:59,080 --> 02:26:02,520
Speaker 8: to be asking ourselves for some accountability so that we

2618
02:26:02,600 --> 02:26:06,880
Speaker 8: could get some resources so that we could invest in

2619
02:26:07,080 --> 02:26:10,840
Speaker 8: early development, in our early childhood development. And I was wondering,

2620
02:26:10,959 --> 02:26:14,720
Speaker 8: how were you thinking along those lines, because it appears

2621
02:26:14,800 --> 02:26:18,920
Speaker 8: that we've been doing the same celebration of Black History

2622
02:26:19,280 --> 02:26:22,160
Speaker 8: Month and then once it's over, we forget about ourself.

2623
02:26:22,680 --> 02:26:24,880
Speaker 8: And I was just wondering how you're chiming in to

2624
02:26:24,959 --> 02:26:27,520
Speaker 8: bring in that kind of new focus that is much

2625
02:26:27,640 --> 02:26:29,200
Speaker 8: needed inside of our community.

2626
02:26:30,000 --> 02:26:32,320
Speaker 1: All right, And doctor Wembush, what he's talking about first

2627
02:26:32,440 --> 02:26:35,040
Speaker 1: is fire roads to ray. She was the first black

2628
02:26:35,600 --> 02:26:39,720
Speaker 1: female like to judge in the state of Alabama, and

2629
02:26:39,840 --> 02:26:43,800
Speaker 1: she was still giving us a preview of the celebration

2630
02:26:44,080 --> 02:26:46,240
Speaker 1: or commemoration of Bloody Sunday. But go ahead, you can

2631
02:26:46,320 --> 02:26:47,160
Speaker 1: respond to his question.

2632
02:26:48,120 --> 02:26:50,480
Speaker 2: No, I think it's a very good question. And I

2633
02:26:50,600 --> 02:26:54,040
Speaker 2: think again, you know, we don't want to, you know,

2634
02:26:54,520 --> 02:26:57,560
Speaker 2: wash Rents and then repeat over and over some of

2635
02:26:57,640 --> 02:26:58,960
Speaker 2: the things that he just said.

2636
02:26:59,120 --> 02:27:00,040
Speaker 5: We got that.

2637
02:27:01,320 --> 02:27:05,080
Speaker 2: As he said, we've got to start at an early

2638
02:27:05,320 --> 02:27:11,920
Speaker 2: childhood teaching our children about being an African in America.

2639
02:27:13,680 --> 02:27:16,880
Speaker 2: It should be taught daily. And I always tell people

2640
02:27:17,200 --> 02:27:21,480
Speaker 2: every day we should do spend at least thirty minutes

2641
02:27:21,560 --> 02:27:25,120
Speaker 2: doing something for black folks in this country. And that

2642
02:27:25,200 --> 02:27:31,199
Speaker 2: should be the agenda of the fraternal organizations, our sororities,

2643
02:27:32,120 --> 02:27:37,400
Speaker 2: our civil rights organizations, and especially our Black churches. And

2644
02:27:37,520 --> 02:27:39,840
Speaker 2: I've been kind of hard on Black churches over the

2645
02:27:40,040 --> 02:27:44,160
Speaker 2: years because I think that if you have choir, rehearsal,

2646
02:27:44,280 --> 02:27:48,120
Speaker 2: prayer meeting, and Sunday worship those other four days of

2647
02:27:48,200 --> 02:27:50,920
Speaker 2: the week, you need to be teaching Black history in

2648
02:27:51,040 --> 02:27:55,080
Speaker 2: our classes in our churches. And you've got most Black

2649
02:27:55,920 --> 02:27:58,039
Speaker 2: churches have teachers, and.

2650
02:27:58,120 --> 02:27:59,840
Speaker 6: They can teach Black history.

2651
02:28:00,200 --> 02:28:03,039
Speaker 2: And it doesn't have to be a person who's been educated,

2652
02:28:03,080 --> 02:28:07,440
Speaker 2: but a person who knows about some aspect of Black history.

2653
02:28:07,480 --> 02:28:12,480
Speaker 2: Our churches are underutilized as a vehicle for educating our people,

2654
02:28:12,920 --> 02:28:17,120
Speaker 2: and we need to start doing that and continue to

2655
02:28:17,280 --> 02:28:21,000
Speaker 2: do it the way Jeremiah Wright did it and does

2656
02:28:21,080 --> 02:28:24,360
Speaker 2: it in Chicago right now, the way Minister far Are

2657
02:28:24,440 --> 02:28:29,960
Speaker 2: com Minister far Khan, Minister Farkhin does it in the

2658
02:28:30,080 --> 02:28:33,200
Speaker 2: Nation of Islam. Our ministers have to step up to

2659
02:28:33,280 --> 02:28:35,840
Speaker 2: the plate and make sure that they're doing the right.

2660
02:28:35,800 --> 02:28:38,880
Speaker 1: Thing, all right for taking out well, thanks Carl, if

2661
02:28:38,920 --> 02:28:41,520
Speaker 1: I'm taking out the coffee. Tweet two that says obomba

2662
02:28:41,560 --> 02:28:45,480
Speaker 1: bombed eight countries without congressional approval. It goes on to say,

2663
02:28:45,520 --> 02:28:48,279
Speaker 1: the difference is Trump is ending a war before it happens,

2664
02:28:48,360 --> 02:28:51,640
Speaker 1: not starting a war for nothing and save me or

2665
02:28:51,920 --> 02:28:54,720
Speaker 1: outrage and for him, I just say, two wrongs don't

2666
02:28:54,760 --> 02:28:56,960
Speaker 1: make it right. But doctor Wimershy, he was referring to you,

2667
02:28:57,080 --> 02:28:58,960
Speaker 1: So I'll let you respond to it that tweet.

2668
02:29:00,080 --> 02:29:02,480
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, of course, I mean we have to

2669
02:29:02,600 --> 02:29:06,880
Speaker 2: critique Obama and any other black leader. The right to

2670
02:29:07,000 --> 02:29:09,600
Speaker 2: critique is not with a lot of black women. If

2671
02:29:09,600 --> 02:29:12,360
Speaker 2: you criticize Obama, if you said, well, you hating on Obama?

2672
02:29:13,080 --> 02:29:16,400
Speaker 2: You know Obama is a bad thing, you know, Like

2673
02:29:17,560 --> 02:29:22,960
Speaker 2: I mean, he was the chief drone sender during his

2674
02:29:23,160 --> 02:29:29,560
Speaker 2: administrator administration, you know. So I'm not forgiving Obama for

2675
02:29:29,640 --> 02:29:33,640
Speaker 2: anything like that. And when this idea about starting a ward,

2676
02:29:34,160 --> 02:29:37,720
Speaker 2: I mean, I always say that Obama's biggest mistake was

2677
02:29:37,760 --> 02:29:42,600
Speaker 2: when he was instrumental in the assassination of Moumar Kadafi,

2678
02:29:43,280 --> 02:29:47,520
Speaker 2: and he says that in his biography autobiography, that that

2679
02:29:47,760 --> 02:29:51,840
Speaker 2: was a mistake. So I'm not about criticizing Obama. But

2680
02:29:52,480 --> 02:29:54,800
Speaker 2: you know, we don't want to play what about it

2681
02:29:54,920 --> 02:29:58,320
Speaker 2: ism with Trump. I don't think that Obama ever brought

2682
02:29:58,400 --> 02:30:03,360
Speaker 2: us close to having world War three as we are today.

2683
02:30:04,000 --> 02:30:07,680
Speaker 2: And again, Obama did a lot of bad things, you know,

2684
02:30:07,879 --> 02:30:10,560
Speaker 2: no doubt about it. He's part of that whole system

2685
02:30:11,200 --> 02:30:14,960
Speaker 2: just out there. But to try to say that somehow

2686
02:30:15,320 --> 02:30:19,680
Speaker 2: Trump is saving us from World War three, that's a lie.

2687
02:30:20,040 --> 02:30:22,760
Speaker 6: And again it's a talking point, right.

2688
02:30:22,840 --> 02:30:25,600
Speaker 1: And Obama at this point is still deporting more people

2689
02:30:25,680 --> 02:30:28,800
Speaker 1: than the illegal immigrants that than Donald Trump has. He

2690
02:30:28,920 --> 02:30:31,080
Speaker 1: may have done it humanly and quietly, not the way

2691
02:30:31,160 --> 02:30:34,720
Speaker 1: that the circus atmosphere, Yeah, but he did do It's

2692
02:30:34,760 --> 02:30:37,840
Speaker 1: something so Trump still hasn't caught up to all the

2693
02:30:37,879 --> 02:30:41,320
Speaker 1: people that Barack Obama deported eight hundred and four or

2694
02:30:41,320 --> 02:30:43,840
Speaker 1: five zero, seventy eight seventy six twelve At the top

2695
02:30:44,160 --> 02:30:46,560
Speaker 1: Bob's in Buffalo has a question for E's online four

2696
02:30:47,080 --> 02:30:49,759
Speaker 1: Grand Rising Bob, you know with doctor Wimbush.

2697
02:30:50,560 --> 02:30:52,880
Speaker 10: Bless you love family. When I called in and I

2698
02:30:52,959 --> 02:30:57,160
Speaker 10: wanted to ask the doctor about who's Zuni? Who is

2699
02:30:57,320 --> 02:31:03,960
Speaker 10: Israel leading the US? Is it was leading Israel? But

2700
02:31:04,840 --> 02:31:07,600
Speaker 10: as I listened to more, I wanted to ask him

2701
02:31:07,680 --> 02:31:12,200
Speaker 10: whether he thinks Trump's election, this past election was a

2702
02:31:12,280 --> 02:31:15,640
Speaker 10: free and fair election, and how can we get to

2703
02:31:16,160 --> 02:31:20,400
Speaker 10: a participatory democracy? And I think one of the best

2704
02:31:20,560 --> 02:31:25,959
Speaker 10: recent ways is to have automatic voter registration as soon

2705
02:31:26,000 --> 02:31:29,120
Speaker 10: as you turn eighteen. Every person who's a serious in

2706
02:31:29,200 --> 02:31:32,040
Speaker 10: this country should be able to vote once they turn

2707
02:31:32,120 --> 02:31:37,279
Speaker 10: eighteen and get rid of all barriers to participatory democracy.

2708
02:31:37,879 --> 02:31:40,360
Speaker 10: So I was wondering what you think about those Selenias brothers.

2709
02:31:41,320 --> 02:31:46,720
Speaker 2: Those are all incredibly great question. First of all, Israel

2710
02:31:46,959 --> 02:31:52,600
Speaker 2: is leading the United States. You know, Israel the United

2711
02:31:52,600 --> 02:31:59,200
Speaker 2: States basically gets his foreign policy from Benjaminette.

2712
02:31:58,400 --> 02:31:59,359
Speaker 6: Yahoo.

2713
02:32:00,480 --> 02:32:02,280
Speaker 2: And all criminal.

2714
02:32:03,160 --> 02:32:04,320
Speaker 6: He's a war criminal.

2715
02:32:04,520 --> 02:32:09,640
Speaker 2: Both of them are war I mean Trump and Nenyah

2716
02:32:09,680 --> 02:32:13,640
Speaker 2: who the other group APAK, whom I'm sure you're familiar

2717
02:32:13,720 --> 02:32:18,840
Speaker 2: with American Israeli Political Action Committee, they determine foreign policy

2718
02:32:19,040 --> 02:32:22,160
Speaker 2: in the so called Middle East. I got nervous a

2719
02:32:22,280 --> 02:32:25,440
Speaker 2: couple of years ago when men Yah who spoke before

2720
02:32:25,600 --> 02:32:30,040
Speaker 2: the United Nations and kept using this term greater Israel,

2721
02:32:30,240 --> 02:32:34,279
Speaker 2: greater Israel, because I know that his plans, and others

2722
02:32:34,360 --> 02:32:37,960
Speaker 2: have said that his plan is to make Israel a

2723
02:32:38,200 --> 02:32:44,800
Speaker 2: dominant force invading other countries the way they have invaded Palestine,

2724
02:32:45,400 --> 02:32:49,720
Speaker 2: been taken and killed, committed genocide in that nation.

2725
02:32:51,120 --> 02:32:52,440
Speaker 6: The other thing, I totally agree.

2726
02:32:52,480 --> 02:32:55,600
Speaker 2: I think at eighteen. Everybody should get a voting guard period.

2727
02:32:55,920 --> 02:32:59,680
Speaker 2: Just like we got social security guards. We should have

2728
02:33:00,160 --> 02:33:04,040
Speaker 2: every person when they turn eighteen should be mailed a

2729
02:33:04,200 --> 02:33:08,240
Speaker 2: card to vote. There is no such thing as voter fraud.

2730
02:33:08,640 --> 02:33:11,879
Speaker 2: It's a term that has been created by the Republicans,

2731
02:33:12,160 --> 02:33:17,920
Speaker 2: who are a minority group in this country, the idiots politically,

2732
02:33:18,920 --> 02:33:22,320
Speaker 2: and they got to cheat. Even though Trump in his

2733
02:33:23,520 --> 02:33:27,720
Speaker 2: so called State of the Union last week said that

2734
02:33:27,920 --> 02:33:30,720
Speaker 2: the Democrats chieved, the fact of the matter is the

2735
02:33:30,840 --> 02:33:35,280
Speaker 2: only way Trump can win in twenty this year, or

2736
02:33:35,440 --> 02:33:38,440
Speaker 2: win the House this year and possibly the Senate is

2737
02:33:38,520 --> 02:33:41,400
Speaker 2: to cheat. And the way they chiat is by talking

2738
02:33:41,480 --> 02:33:44,800
Speaker 2: about voter fraud. There's no such thing as voter fraud.

2739
02:33:44,920 --> 02:33:47,160
Speaker 2: It doesn't exist, all.

2740
02:33:47,120 --> 02:33:49,720
Speaker 1: Right, fourteen half that top of and also we're going

2741
02:33:49,800 --> 02:33:51,720
Speaker 1: to talk about the elections coming up in the primary

2742
02:33:51,760 --> 02:33:55,200
Speaker 1: elections in Texas tomorrow. But well, what doctor Wember she's

2743
02:33:55,240 --> 02:33:58,360
Speaker 1: talking about. The research has shown that this talk about

2744
02:33:58,440 --> 02:34:02,560
Speaker 1: voter fraud, that the voting it's not true. You know,

2745
02:34:02,680 --> 02:34:05,000
Speaker 1: it's maybe they made the three or four people that

2746
02:34:05,400 --> 02:34:09,360
Speaker 1: were were not citizens who voted in the election. We're

2747
02:34:09,360 --> 02:34:12,680
Speaker 1: talking about nationwide or state side. There's several states were

2748
02:34:12,720 --> 02:34:14,280
Speaker 1: three or four, maybe one or two, and some of

2749
02:34:14,360 --> 02:34:15,959
Speaker 1: them did it because they didn't even know it. They

2750
02:34:16,000 --> 02:34:18,840
Speaker 1: were ignorant they were doing it. Some of them even

2751
02:34:18,879 --> 02:34:23,400
Speaker 1: voted for Republicans. So that, yeah, that whole issue that

2752
02:34:23,480 --> 02:34:25,800
Speaker 1: they say about voter fraud, that the you know, they

2753
02:34:25,920 --> 02:34:28,240
Speaker 1: come up with that term and and oh that's why

2754
02:34:28,280 --> 02:34:30,720
Speaker 1: they let any illegals, legals are coming in and they vote.

2755
02:34:30,920 --> 02:34:33,560
Speaker 1: It's not true. The research doesn't back that up.

2756
02:34:33,840 --> 02:34:35,560
Speaker 6: It's a myth. It's a myth.

2757
02:34:36,680 --> 02:34:39,400
Speaker 2: And had Mike stayed on the phone instead of screaming

2758
02:34:39,440 --> 02:34:42,960
Speaker 2: a few calls back, I would ask him about voter fraud,

2759
02:34:43,120 --> 02:34:46,760
Speaker 2: does he believe in that? I mean, it's and it

2760
02:34:47,040 --> 02:34:49,800
Speaker 2: emerged if you look at do a Google search or

2761
02:34:49,840 --> 02:34:53,880
Speaker 2: the word voter fraud and then put in twenty ten,

2762
02:34:54,200 --> 02:34:57,560
Speaker 2: you know, way before Trump. You won't even sign the term.

2763
02:34:58,120 --> 02:35:01,480
Speaker 2: It started in the twenty six teen election because the

2764
02:35:01,640 --> 02:35:06,240
Speaker 2: Republicans were and are a minority party in this country.

2765
02:35:06,440 --> 02:35:11,400
Speaker 2: And the third thing, the brother Bob's you know, imply

2766
02:35:11,959 --> 02:35:15,080
Speaker 2: we need to get rid of the electoral college, which

2767
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Speaker 2: is a legacy of the so called founding Fathers in

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Speaker 2: terms of suppressing the black vote. I mean Montana has

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Speaker 2: two senators and California has two. But that's a whole

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02:35:31,680 --> 02:35:34,800
Speaker 2: nother discussion. But we really need to talk about getting

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Speaker 2: rid of the electoral college. It's a pipe dream of mine,

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02:35:38,600 --> 02:35:41,800
Speaker 2: of course, but it's not just me. Others are saying

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Speaker 2: the same thing.

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Speaker 1: All right. Well, hold, I thought that we gotta take

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02:35:45,760 --> 02:35:47,080
Speaker 1: a break when we come back, though, tell us how

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02:35:47,120 --> 02:35:49,119
Speaker 1: can that be done? And also Ramon and Capitol Hill

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02:35:49,160 --> 02:35:52,000
Speaker 1: ask a question for you. Family, YouTube can join our conversation.

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02:35:52,120 --> 02:35:54,680
Speaker 1: Our guess is doctor Ray Winwich from Morgan State University.

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02:35:55,040 --> 02:35:57,400
Speaker 1: You know how to reach us. It's really it's toll

2780
02:35:57,520 --> 02:36:00,200
Speaker 1: free number at eight hundred and four or five zero

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02:36:00,560 --> 02:36:03,480
Speaker 1: seventy eight seventy six, and we're taking phone calls next

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02:36:03,720 --> 02:36:05,760
Speaker 1: and Grand Rising family, thanks for rolling with us on

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02:36:05,840 --> 02:36:08,440
Speaker 1: this Monday morning, the second day of March. I would

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02:36:08,480 --> 02:36:09,960
Speaker 1: love to have you stay for the rest of the

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02:36:10,000 --> 02:36:11,560
Speaker 1: week as well. You know how to reach us from

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02:36:11,560 --> 02:36:13,600
Speaker 1: when we start the programs eight hundred four or five

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Speaker 1: zero seventy eight seventy six speaking with doctor Ray Winbersch

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02:36:17,200 --> 02:36:19,560
Speaker 1: from Morgan State University. And before we left you discussing

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02:36:19,600 --> 02:36:24,760
Speaker 1: the the electoral college. You have problems with that many

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02:36:24,760 --> 02:36:26,800
Speaker 1: people do they feel we should go back to one man,

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02:36:26,920 --> 02:36:30,240
Speaker 1: one vote, you know, instead of this electoral college issue. Also,

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Speaker 1: I want you to address that how can that be?

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02:36:32,160 --> 02:36:35,120
Speaker 1: How can that be? Just need a constitutional amendment to

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02:36:35,240 --> 02:36:37,520
Speaker 1: change that? And the second question, I want you to

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02:36:37,640 --> 02:36:40,080
Speaker 1: respond to the fact that the Republicans or Donald Trump

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02:36:40,200 --> 02:36:43,560
Speaker 1: is talking about nationalizing or federalizing the elections. Can they

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Speaker 1: do that?

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Speaker 2: Well, the answer to the second one is absolutely not.

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02:36:48,920 --> 02:36:53,680
Speaker 2: The Constitution is very clear because again the so called

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02:36:54,000 --> 02:36:58,039
Speaker 2: you know, founding well always call them the founding races.

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Speaker 6: But they were very very clear on was that it.

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02:37:01,320 --> 02:37:04,960
Speaker 2: Didn't want a king, and if you nationalize election, you

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02:37:05,160 --> 02:37:09,360
Speaker 2: concentrate everything in one person or one branch of the government.

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02:37:10,000 --> 02:37:12,960
Speaker 2: And they were very obsessed with that. That's why we

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02:37:13,200 --> 02:37:18,519
Speaker 2: have fifty different secretaries of States who govern the elections

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02:37:18,680 --> 02:37:22,879
Speaker 2: in this country. So again we have a so called

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02:37:22,959 --> 02:37:29,080
Speaker 2: president that doesn't follow the constitution. If you read the

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Speaker 2: Project twenty twenty five, it clearly states that we are

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02:37:33,720 --> 02:37:39,800
Speaker 2: in post constitutional America. That's what they said, So they

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02:37:39,879 --> 02:37:46,000
Speaker 2: don't care about the constitution anymore. And then the second thing,

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Speaker 2: how do you get rid of the electoral call? It

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02:37:47,879 --> 02:37:52,199
Speaker 2: would have to be an amendment to the Constitution and America.

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02:37:52,400 --> 02:37:56,920
Speaker 2: Even though the Constitution says that we could have constitutional

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02:37:57,360 --> 02:38:01,000
Speaker 2: conventions that we can change the Constitution, people have been

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02:38:01,200 --> 02:38:04,720
Speaker 2: very reluctant to do that, simply because of the fact

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02:38:04,760 --> 02:38:08,720
Speaker 2: that you bring out the crazies at a constitutional convention,

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02:38:09,480 --> 02:38:14,760
Speaker 2: or it risked talking about the Constitution in general. So

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Speaker 2: I always tell people John O. Franklin, one of my

2819
02:38:20,320 --> 02:38:23,840
Speaker 2: teachers when I was in grad schools, said he wrote

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02:38:23,840 --> 02:38:27,920
Speaker 2: an essay in nineteen seventy six called the Moral Legacy

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02:38:28,040 --> 02:38:31,160
Speaker 2: of the Founding Fathers. It's one of the most brilliant

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02:38:31,600 --> 02:38:36,000
Speaker 2: essays I've ever read. I hope the blackfook reader. But

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02:38:36,760 --> 02:38:40,880
Speaker 2: we need to talk about how the Constitution was flawed,

2824
02:38:41,640 --> 02:38:46,200
Speaker 2: but it was probably the best document to date at

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02:38:46,280 --> 02:38:48,959
Speaker 2: that time, and how his legacy is.

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02:38:49,000 --> 02:38:50,240
Speaker 6: Still with us today.

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02:38:50,320 --> 02:38:54,680
Speaker 2: And one of his legacy is, of course, you know,

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02:38:54,959 --> 02:38:57,200
Speaker 2: the idea of the electoral College.

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02:38:58,760 --> 02:39:02,119
Speaker 1: All right, Then I mentioned Raymond's waiting for us. He's

2830
02:39:02,200 --> 02:39:05,640
Speaker 1: on Capitol Hill, he's online five grand rising at Raymond

2831
02:39:05,959 --> 02:39:06,760
Speaker 1: with doctor Wimbush.

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Speaker 5: Thank you for taking my call this morning, Doctor Winbush.

2833
02:39:14,560 --> 02:39:18,680
Speaker 5: You are one hundred percent right on time. Everything you

2834
02:39:18,800 --> 02:39:25,640
Speaker 5: have said has been accurate to one hundred percent yesterday

2835
02:39:25,959 --> 02:39:28,600
Speaker 5: or sixty minutes. I don't know if you watched it.

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02:39:29,600 --> 02:39:29,960
Speaker 6: I did.

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02:39:31,080 --> 02:39:36,080
Speaker 5: Where the Supreme Court where the federal judges, all of

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02:39:36,160 --> 02:39:41,800
Speaker 5: them conservatives, are pointed by the conservative presidents and one

2839
02:39:41,879 --> 02:39:47,080
Speaker 5: of them Trump, all of them have validated once again

2840
02:39:49,680 --> 02:39:57,600
Speaker 5: the danger of Trump rhetoric and putting tuliable judges in danger.

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02:39:58,800 --> 02:39:59,240
Speaker 2: That's right.

2842
02:40:00,320 --> 02:40:05,760
Speaker 5: And they gave a detail. They gave a detail on

2843
02:40:06,040 --> 02:40:11,600
Speaker 5: TV last night of what they have experience of judges,

2844
02:40:12,280 --> 02:40:19,600
Speaker 5: some federal judges that has ruled against Trump. They refused

2845
02:40:19,879 --> 02:40:23,760
Speaker 5: to come on for interviews because they was afraid of

2846
02:40:23,879 --> 02:40:26,360
Speaker 5: his mangabase, which is.

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02:40:26,480 --> 02:40:30,080
Speaker 6: Cozy exactly exactly.

2848
02:40:30,200 --> 02:40:33,640
Speaker 5: And they were shown and they were shown. They was

2849
02:40:33,720 --> 02:40:38,119
Speaker 5: playing some of the recordings that the particular federal judge

2850
02:40:38,440 --> 02:40:43,760
Speaker 5: who was brave enough to give an interview. By sixty minutes,

2851
02:40:44,280 --> 02:40:46,920
Speaker 5: they were showing some of the recordings of the crazy

2852
02:40:46,959 --> 02:40:52,080
Speaker 5: stuff that they was calling his home by his office.

2853
02:40:52,600 --> 02:40:56,359
Speaker 5: They got his phone and called his home about breaking

2854
02:40:56,480 --> 02:41:02,360
Speaker 5: his daughter, his wife in front of him. Yes, this

2855
02:41:02,760 --> 02:41:10,280
Speaker 5: is listen that former caller Mike. He calls like so

2856
02:41:10,440 --> 02:41:16,640
Speaker 5: many other people that are black, mega Trump supporters who

2857
02:41:16,720 --> 02:41:18,440
Speaker 5: are addicted to white.

2858
02:41:19,480 --> 02:41:22,800
Speaker 11: They call what's supposed to be liberal.

2859
02:41:23,440 --> 02:41:33,040
Speaker 5: Radio shows defending Trump with these talking points with venom

2860
02:41:33,160 --> 02:41:38,080
Speaker 5: in their voice. Mike was open for a dialogue with you.

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02:41:39,160 --> 02:41:42,720
Speaker 5: He wanted to get on the Carl Nelson's show like

2862
02:41:42,879 --> 02:41:46,959
Speaker 5: he calls regularly, like so many other MEGA supporters. It's

2863
02:41:47,000 --> 02:41:51,480
Speaker 5: not be wrong with who you want to support, that's

2864
02:41:51,560 --> 02:41:53,800
Speaker 5: your right as a US citizen.

2865
02:41:55,120 --> 02:41:57,440
Speaker 2: But when you're not open to.

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02:41:57,600 --> 02:42:04,480
Speaker 5: The logic that maybe your support for a candidate, maybe

2867
02:42:04,680 --> 02:42:13,080
Speaker 5: this leading, especially after he'd have made disparaging, disrespectful comments

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02:42:13,720 --> 02:42:19,880
Speaker 5: against people of color, especially African Americans, and you still

2869
02:42:20,000 --> 02:42:23,760
Speaker 5: say they still try to explain it away.

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02:42:25,160 --> 02:42:26,920
Speaker 1: Right, I'm ready to do us a favor. Put it

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02:42:26,959 --> 02:42:29,200
Speaker 1: in a question from so Dr Wimbus can respond.

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Speaker 5: Okay. The question I got is Michael mighta had he

2873
02:42:36,360 --> 02:42:43,720
Speaker 5: said that this would happen. Do you believe because I

2874
02:42:43,760 --> 02:42:45,400
Speaker 5: don't believe. If I want to ask you, do you

2875
02:42:45,520 --> 02:42:56,000
Speaker 5: believe that that this attack on Iran? Will they have

2876
02:42:57,560 --> 02:42:59,920
Speaker 5: troops on the ground, because I don't believe they will.

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Speaker 5: That's my question, all right, my call?

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Speaker 6: Okay, thank you, brother Raymond.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 1: Right, I don't recall Mark Anaheim saying boots on the ground.

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Speaker 1: But go ahead, you can respond to it anyway. Doctor.

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02:43:16,440 --> 02:43:20,200
Speaker 5: Not boots on the ground from Mark, he said they would.

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02:43:20,680 --> 02:43:24,560
Speaker 5: He had predicted that something would happen in one or

2884
02:43:24,640 --> 02:43:28,080
Speaker 5: two weeks. Not not books on the ground. He say

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02:43:28,200 --> 02:43:32,000
Speaker 5: that he had predicted that this would happen in one

2886
02:43:32,120 --> 02:43:34,680
Speaker 5: or two weeks, or something major would.

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Speaker 2: All right, I don't think that there are going to

2888
02:43:41,480 --> 02:43:43,840
Speaker 2: be boots in the ground. And even as we've been

2889
02:43:43,959 --> 02:43:49,560
Speaker 2: having this conversation, uh, they've identified a fourth person. I

2890
02:43:49,720 --> 02:43:54,600
Speaker 2: believe that there have been more servicemen killed in this war,

2891
02:43:54,879 --> 02:43:58,080
Speaker 2: even at this point on the what is this the third.

2892
02:43:57,959 --> 02:43:58,720
Speaker 6: Day of the war.

2893
02:44:00,360 --> 02:44:02,360
Speaker 2: I don't think they're gonna put boots on the ground

2894
02:44:02,520 --> 02:44:05,680
Speaker 2: unless Israel tells Trump to do that.

2895
02:44:07,240 --> 02:44:08,000
Speaker 6: And because the.

2896
02:44:08,040 --> 02:44:13,160
Speaker 2: American people don't like casualties a war, they don't Most

2897
02:44:13,240 --> 02:44:17,840
Speaker 2: Americans are opposed to war, even the maggots, they're opposed

2898
02:44:17,920 --> 02:44:22,759
Speaker 2: to war. And Trump knew that, promised that he wouldn't.

2899
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Speaker 6: Engage in a war.

2900
02:44:24,000 --> 02:44:27,200
Speaker 2: And two weeks after he has his so called peace

2901
02:44:27,400 --> 02:44:31,560
Speaker 2: initiative with the gathering in Washington, d C.

2902
02:44:33,200 --> 02:44:34,160
Speaker 6: He starts a war.

2903
02:44:35,120 --> 02:44:37,840
Speaker 2: So I don't think there's gonna be troop center in

2904
02:44:37,959 --> 02:44:42,440
Speaker 2: there it's too messy, and they don't want to repeat

2905
02:44:43,120 --> 02:44:46,920
Speaker 2: of what happened in Levinon under the Reagan administration when

2906
02:44:46,959 --> 02:44:51,320
Speaker 2: the hotel was bombed with all those American soldiers killed.

2907
02:44:51,640 --> 02:44:53,600
Speaker 2: I don't think that they're gonna do that.

2908
02:44:55,040 --> 02:44:56,520
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this. You think this is gonna

2909
02:44:56,760 --> 02:45:01,800
Speaker 1: you know, a two week event and then it's all over. Venezuela.

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02:45:02,800 --> 02:45:03,640
Speaker 5: No, No.

2911
02:45:04,280 --> 02:45:06,960
Speaker 2: I think this war is going to be at least

2912
02:45:07,800 --> 02:45:10,480
Speaker 2: six months, if not longer. And the other thing that

2913
02:45:10,600 --> 02:45:14,280
Speaker 2: we keep forgetting about. You know, I'm going to Atlanta

2914
02:45:14,400 --> 02:45:17,560
Speaker 2: this week and I'm driving. I usually fly down there.

2915
02:45:18,840 --> 02:45:23,000
Speaker 2: I think that Iranian sales are in the United States.

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02:45:23,560 --> 02:45:24,959
Speaker 6: And I think when the.

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02:45:25,080 --> 02:45:27,800
Speaker 2: War and you know, God help us if it does,

2918
02:45:28,800 --> 02:45:32,280
Speaker 2: if the war ever comes over on American soil. They're

2919
02:45:32,320 --> 02:45:37,080
Speaker 2: already thinking about this brother down in Texas over the weekend.

2920
02:45:38,120 --> 02:45:40,800
Speaker 2: They're saying that might have been a terrorist and a

2921
02:45:40,920 --> 02:45:44,640
Speaker 2: response to what Trump did. So I think when Americans

2922
02:45:45,000 --> 02:45:50,760
Speaker 2: feel the war hurting them like they are with oil prices,

2923
02:45:51,560 --> 02:45:55,760
Speaker 2: shooting through the roof, as well as a terrorist activity

2924
02:45:55,879 --> 02:46:00,920
Speaker 2: that may occur over here, they're going to really shout out, Look,

2925
02:46:01,200 --> 02:46:03,240
Speaker 2: you told us you were going to not do this

2926
02:46:03,440 --> 02:46:06,160
Speaker 2: and you're doing it all right.

2927
02:46:06,560 --> 02:46:08,960
Speaker 1: Thirty minutes at the top. That's doctor Ray Wimbers from

2928
02:46:08,959 --> 02:46:11,240
Speaker 1: Morgan State University. You'd like to speak to him, reach

2929
02:46:11,320 --> 02:46:13,200
Speaker 1: out to us at eight hundred and four five zero

2930
02:46:13,440 --> 02:46:17,040
Speaker 1: seventy eight seventy six or another Ray Ryan Baltimore is

2931
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Speaker 1: online one Grand Rising. Ray youre I'm with Dr Wimbush.

2932
02:46:20,000 --> 02:46:21,880
Speaker 9: Hey, good morning. How you doing, Carl?

2933
02:46:23,560 --> 02:46:24,360
Speaker 1: Still learning me?

2934
02:46:25,000 --> 02:46:27,080
Speaker 2: Sure, doctor Wimbish?

2935
02:46:27,160 --> 02:46:28,560
Speaker 9: Did you have a doorternate Robins?

2936
02:46:30,120 --> 02:46:35,640
Speaker 2: Do I what have a doornate? Robin Robin Winbush?

2937
02:46:36,040 --> 02:46:36,080
Speaker 5: No?

2938
02:46:36,320 --> 02:46:36,760
Speaker 6: I don't.

2939
02:46:37,800 --> 02:46:40,880
Speaker 9: Oh, okay, because I worked with for Robin Wimbush a

2940
02:46:40,920 --> 02:46:42,560
Speaker 9: number of years ago. I thought she might have been

2941
02:46:42,600 --> 02:46:43,160
Speaker 9: related to you.

2942
02:46:44,240 --> 02:46:46,039
Speaker 6: No, we're all related.

2943
02:46:46,120 --> 02:46:47,200
Speaker 2: We just don't know how.

2944
02:46:48,240 --> 02:46:48,760
Speaker 7: Okay.

2945
02:46:49,640 --> 02:46:52,160
Speaker 9: She was polly intelligent, young league, speaks just like you.

2946
02:46:53,440 --> 02:46:56,680
Speaker 9: I admires her when we're working together. I'm a Morgan

2947
02:46:56,720 --> 02:47:01,560
Speaker 9: person also, and she was also. But anyway, I called

2948
02:47:01,600 --> 02:47:04,840
Speaker 9: about when I talk to my friends about Trump, about

2949
02:47:04,840 --> 02:47:09,000
Speaker 9: Donald Trump, even my politician friends, I get irritated, irritated

2950
02:47:09,080 --> 02:47:12,200
Speaker 9: with them because they don't seem to understand. They think

2951
02:47:12,280 --> 02:47:15,680
Speaker 9: that this guy is going to get away with everything.

2952
02:47:16,879 --> 02:47:20,000
Speaker 9: And I try to remind them that the wheel of

2953
02:47:20,400 --> 02:47:24,560
Speaker 9: justice turns. You might break you can break a spoke

2954
02:47:24,800 --> 02:47:30,040
Speaker 9: in a wheel, but you repair it. You repair that smoke,

2955
02:47:31,160 --> 02:47:34,560
Speaker 9: You repair that spoke, but it keeps turning. And this

2956
02:47:34,760 --> 02:47:37,880
Speaker 9: guy thinks that he's gotten no way with stuff. His

2957
02:47:38,120 --> 02:47:40,560
Speaker 9: family think that they have gotten no way with stuff.

2958
02:47:41,320 --> 02:47:46,920
Speaker 9: It's people like me that will do their job. It's

2959
02:47:46,959 --> 02:47:49,520
Speaker 9: people like me that will do their job and not

2960
02:47:49,640 --> 02:47:51,080
Speaker 9: afraid to do their job.

2961
02:47:52,080 --> 02:47:52,959
Speaker 6: That's right, you've.

2962
02:47:52,879 --> 02:47:56,200
Speaker 9: Done something wrong. I'm going to come after you. I

2963
02:47:56,240 --> 02:47:58,240
Speaker 9: don't care how long it takes.

2964
02:47:59,000 --> 02:48:01,600
Speaker 2: He's only going to be in there for a number

2965
02:48:01,840 --> 02:48:02,680
Speaker 2: of years.

2966
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Speaker 9: Their laws, just policy process and procedures that are set

2967
02:48:08,040 --> 02:48:10,440
Speaker 9: and the people, the public has got to know that

2968
02:48:10,760 --> 02:48:14,800
Speaker 9: they're there for a reason. He hasn't gotten away with nothing, folks.

2969
02:48:15,840 --> 02:48:16,960
Speaker 7: It just looks like it.

2970
02:48:17,800 --> 02:48:21,400
Speaker 9: He hasn't gotten away with nothing, absolutely nothing.

2971
02:48:23,200 --> 02:48:26,560
Speaker 1: All right, A question for him, so doctor Wimbush can.

2972
02:48:26,480 --> 02:48:31,840
Speaker 9: Respond, My my my thing is to him and looking

2973
02:48:31,879 --> 02:48:38,039
Speaker 9: at him with this attack with iran observation I hope

2974
02:48:38,040 --> 02:48:40,720
Speaker 9: everybody looked at is that every time something get close

2975
02:48:40,760 --> 02:48:42,240
Speaker 9: with him with this Epstein thing.

2976
02:48:42,920 --> 02:48:48,360
Speaker 11: He react to You agree, absolutely absolutely. And the closest

2977
02:48:48,440 --> 02:48:52,440
Speaker 11: thing was that was that hearing that, hearing what they

2978
02:48:52,520 --> 02:48:55,720
Speaker 11: showed that the videos what it called the media touch

2979
02:48:55,959 --> 02:49:00,400
Speaker 11: when they show Trump and around those girls, shows a

2980
02:49:00,440 --> 02:49:03,560
Speaker 11: whole lot of stuff with him this past these past

2981
02:49:03,640 --> 02:49:06,560
Speaker 11: few days, with him and interacting with those fourteen year

2982
02:49:06,600 --> 02:49:07,160
Speaker 11: old girls.

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Speaker 5: What does he do?

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02:49:08,800 --> 02:49:12,640
Speaker 9: He attacks? It was put out out there across them

2985
02:49:12,720 --> 02:49:15,959
Speaker 9: in the Internet. Do you think that was a response because.

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Speaker 2: Of that showing him out there? I think that, you know,

2987
02:49:22,320 --> 02:49:26,280
Speaker 2: a commentator, they said that the joke around the White House,

2988
02:49:26,360 --> 02:49:31,080
Speaker 2: I mean the people who worked for him, they called

2989
02:49:31,200 --> 02:49:37,640
Speaker 2: the what is the Epstein invasion of Venezuela. They called

2990
02:49:37,680 --> 02:49:41,840
Speaker 2: the ballroom the Epstein ballroom everything. And I think that

2991
02:49:41,959 --> 02:49:46,240
Speaker 2: we're now experiencing the Epstein War. I think that a

2992
02:49:46,440 --> 02:49:49,160
Speaker 2: lot of what Trump is doing is to make sure

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Speaker 2: that people don't know that he is a pedophile.

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02:49:53,440 --> 02:49:55,160
Speaker 6: You probably remember.

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02:49:55,440 --> 02:49:59,480
Speaker 2: When they first showed Epstein's Island, they took a tour

2996
02:49:59,600 --> 02:50:02,160
Speaker 2: of it on TV about a month or two ago,

2997
02:50:02,959 --> 02:50:08,160
Speaker 2: and they were wondering what those gynecological chairs were at

2998
02:50:08,360 --> 02:50:12,800
Speaker 2: tables in why were they there? And now we're seeing,

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Speaker 2: you know, revelations in those three million pages that the

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Speaker 2: Department of Justice did release that those girls were getting pregnant,

3001
02:50:25,760 --> 02:50:29,520
Speaker 2: they were having babies, and there's evidence that those babies

3002
02:50:29,600 --> 02:50:33,879
Speaker 2: were eating and I know that sounds far fetched.

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02:50:34,040 --> 02:50:34,240
Speaker 5: You know.

3004
02:50:34,560 --> 02:50:36,240
Speaker 6: I always tell people, if you're not a.

3005
02:50:36,320 --> 02:50:40,640
Speaker 2: Conspiracy theorist, you're a coincidence theorist. Why would you need

3006
02:50:40,800 --> 02:50:44,360
Speaker 2: those things? I think the tip of the iceberg has

3007
02:50:44,520 --> 02:50:49,440
Speaker 2: been released about those Epstein file, and I think as

3008
02:50:49,520 --> 02:50:52,720
Speaker 2: we get deeper and deeper, we're going to see that

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02:50:53,640 --> 02:50:58,520
Speaker 2: this is a global thing the Europeans do with children.

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02:50:59,320 --> 02:51:03,920
Speaker 2: Why was even Honking there, he was paralyzed, you know,

3011
02:51:04,600 --> 02:51:09,920
Speaker 2: Why was Dom Chompsky there, supposedly the philosopher of the

3012
02:51:10,080 --> 02:51:14,680
Speaker 2: United States, you know, all of these things, and they

3013
02:51:14,720 --> 02:51:20,920
Speaker 2: were there to get had engaging things that we would

3014
02:51:21,040 --> 02:51:23,800
Speaker 2: consider just absolutely reprehensible.

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02:51:25,280 --> 02:51:27,120
Speaker 1: Twenty five away from the top of that, with doctor

3016
02:51:27,160 --> 02:51:29,720
Speaker 1: Ray Wibersh from Morgan State University, Doctor Wibersh could take

3017
02:51:29,720 --> 02:51:32,520
Speaker 1: a look at the big race in Texas tomorrow. Look

3018
02:51:32,560 --> 02:51:39,000
Speaker 1: at the Democratic side first, Jasmine krock running against James Tellerico.

3019
02:51:39,600 --> 02:51:42,360
Speaker 1: And at one point Jasmine Krockt was leading in the polls,

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02:51:42,520 --> 02:51:45,640
Speaker 1: and we saw what happened was he Colbert was gonna

3021
02:51:45,840 --> 02:51:49,280
Speaker 1: have him on on this niche Yeah, and the CBS

3022
02:51:49,400 --> 02:51:51,960
Speaker 1: blocked him, and so he put it out on the

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02:51:52,000 --> 02:51:55,520
Speaker 1: web and it was streamed millions of people standard and

3024
02:51:55,640 --> 02:51:58,760
Speaker 1: he got a couple of million dollars And somehow they

3025
02:51:58,840 --> 02:52:01,640
Speaker 1: say he's turned the tables. He's leading. As we're going

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02:52:01,680 --> 02:52:04,840
Speaker 1: to the polls tomorrow. How important is this race for

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02:52:05,200 --> 02:52:08,640
Speaker 1: the Democrats? And is a choice between is do you

3028
02:52:08,680 --> 02:52:10,960
Speaker 1: think race is going to play? That's one question. And

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02:52:11,040 --> 02:52:14,240
Speaker 1: two do you think Hispanics who got burnt by Donald Trump?

3030
02:52:14,280 --> 02:52:16,680
Speaker 1: They've been you know, they've been singing the blues. Do

3031
02:52:16,720 --> 02:52:18,959
Speaker 1: you think that they're about ready to come home now

3032
02:52:19,080 --> 02:52:21,560
Speaker 1: to get in and support anything that the other than

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Speaker 1: the Republican Party or the Republican primary. And there's a

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Speaker 1: lot of questions I got to ask you, ask you,

3035
02:52:26,640 --> 02:52:29,959
Speaker 1: and also the Republicans that they want they want Jasmine

3036
02:52:29,959 --> 02:52:32,160
Speaker 1: Crockett to win, so they say, because they think they

3037
02:52:32,200 --> 02:52:34,440
Speaker 1: could easily defeat Jasmine Crockett. And I'm looking at the

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Speaker 1: clock here, So we got to take a break. So

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Speaker 1: I'll just let you ponder those questions and then you

3040
02:52:38,040 --> 02:52:40,080
Speaker 1: can give us your thoughts when we get back. Family,

3041
02:52:40,120 --> 02:52:42,160
Speaker 1: you two can get in in our conversation with Dr

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02:52:42,240 --> 02:52:44,680
Speaker 1: Ray Wimbers for Morgan State University. All you gotta do

3043
02:52:44,800 --> 02:52:46,680
Speaker 1: is reach out to us at eight hundred four or

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Speaker 1: five zero seventy eight seventy six. We'll take your phone

3045
02:52:50,040 --> 02:52:53,240
Speaker 1: calls after this short break. Listen next and Grand Rising family,

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Speaker 1: thanks for staying with us on this Monday morning, the

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02:52:55,160 --> 02:52:58,160
Speaker 1: second day of March. Our guest is doctor Ray Wimbers

3048
02:52:58,200 --> 02:53:01,439
Speaker 1: from Morgan State University. Before we left, talking about tomorrow's

3049
02:53:02,000 --> 02:53:04,840
Speaker 1: primary election in Texas. Many people will be watching that election.

3050
02:53:05,280 --> 02:53:07,960
Speaker 1: See if it foretells what's going to happen in the fall.

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02:53:08,240 --> 02:53:12,160
Speaker 1: We are five candidates in one Senate seat closing arguments

3052
02:53:12,240 --> 02:53:16,240
Speaker 1: before Tuesday's primary. Here's what's going down. Republicans. John Cornyn

3053
02:53:16,360 --> 02:53:20,199
Speaker 1: is the incumbent, Ken Paxon is the state attorney general,

3054
02:53:20,240 --> 02:53:23,400
Speaker 1: and Wesley Hunt. They're all Republicans trying to get that seat.

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02:53:23,760 --> 02:53:27,360
Speaker 1: Jasmine Crockett and James tell Rico are on the Democratic side.

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Speaker 1: The Ladies poll shows up to tall Rico and packson

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Speaker 1: of Slim leads going into tomorrow's election. And before I

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Speaker 1: left the break, one of the questions I asked to you,

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02:53:35,760 --> 02:53:38,080
Speaker 1: doctor Wimbush, is the fact that the Republican is a

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02:53:38,160 --> 02:53:42,160
Speaker 1: pushing for Jasmine Crockett. They think that her being quote

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Speaker 1: unquote black abrasive, she would turn off a lot of

3062
02:53:45,240 --> 02:53:48,000
Speaker 1: the white voters in Texas. I should make it easier

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02:53:48,040 --> 02:53:50,440
Speaker 1: for any of their candidate they select to win. What

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02:53:50,560 --> 02:53:51,240
Speaker 1: are your thoughts?

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Speaker 2: I don't think so. I think that the key vote

3066
02:53:57,440 --> 02:54:03,120
Speaker 2: see Texas is turning purple the way Georgia did in

3067
02:54:03,280 --> 02:54:07,040
Speaker 2: the last election and actually the election before. And I

3068
02:54:07,200 --> 02:54:11,800
Speaker 2: think that the Latino vote is going to be determining

3069
02:54:11,959 --> 02:54:14,880
Speaker 2: of that elect Latino's right now learn their lesson the

3070
02:54:15,040 --> 02:54:18,160
Speaker 2: hard way, They're going democratic, and I think they're going

3071
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Speaker 2: to turn out in droves. I think that people want

3072
02:54:22,120 --> 02:54:27,480
Speaker 2: open and honest and just clear, you know, I don't

3073
02:54:27,520 --> 02:54:32,600
Speaker 2: want to say rhetoric, but clear discussion of issues, which

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Speaker 2: Jasmine Crockett offers. And I think in the the I

3075
02:54:38,920 --> 02:54:41,320
Speaker 2: mean all of this stuff that has happened from the

3076
02:54:41,440 --> 02:54:46,840
Speaker 2: affordability crisis that's happening when people go to the grocery store.

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Speaker 2: I think Texas is going to go the way Georgia is,

3078
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Speaker 2: and I think the Jasmine is going to be heading

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02:54:52,240 --> 02:54:55,200
Speaker 2: that up. So I think that, you know, I think

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Speaker 2: that it was a shame that Colbert did what he did,

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02:55:00,200 --> 02:55:05,080
Speaker 2: and you know, Crockett last we even said that they

3082
02:55:05,160 --> 02:55:08,280
Speaker 2: were worried that CBS she was kind of on what

3083
02:55:08,520 --> 02:55:15,360
Speaker 2: CBS said, they were only warning warning Colbert that she

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02:55:15,440 --> 02:55:19,199
Speaker 2: would they would have to give equal time to other candidates.

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Speaker 2: And there's a there's another candidate running named Ama the sogn.

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Speaker 6: And they would say that.

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02:55:26,040 --> 02:55:28,600
Speaker 2: Colbert would have to have all of them on the show,

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02:55:28,920 --> 02:55:32,840
Speaker 2: and that's when Colbert got upset. I think this equal

3089
02:55:32,920 --> 02:55:35,920
Speaker 2: time thing is kind of silly anyway. Newspapers don't have

3090
02:55:36,080 --> 02:55:39,120
Speaker 2: to have it, and other form of media don't have

3091
02:55:39,280 --> 02:55:41,920
Speaker 2: to have it, but they do do it for television.

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Speaker 6: And so I think she's gonna win. And I think

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02:55:45,840 --> 02:55:46,600
Speaker 6: she's gonna win this.

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Speaker 2: Primary despite the bumping polls, the tallergo gut after this

3095
02:55:53,320 --> 02:55:57,080
Speaker 2: Colbert controversy, but I still think she's gonna win because

3096
02:55:57,120 --> 02:55:58,360
Speaker 2: of the Latino vote.

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Speaker 1: Away from the top of it, they said she's pulling

3098
02:56:01,840 --> 02:56:05,760
Speaker 1: real well in the major cities al Paso, Dallas, Houston, Austin.

3099
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Speaker 1: But once they say, once you get out of the

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02:56:07,560 --> 02:56:11,200
Speaker 1: major urban centers in Texas, that's real red, red red

3101
02:56:12,120 --> 02:56:15,400
Speaker 1: America right there. Do you think she's gonna have some issues.

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Speaker 6: Oh yeah, years.

3103
02:56:18,240 --> 02:56:20,880
Speaker 2: Ago, I went to this what was the name of

3104
02:56:20,920 --> 02:56:24,880
Speaker 2: that town. It's in the Panhandle of Texas. That was

3105
02:56:25,000 --> 02:56:28,040
Speaker 2: like Mississippi. I mean, she's not going to I mean,

3106
02:56:28,080 --> 02:56:30,760
Speaker 2: you look at rural voters in general in this country,

3107
02:56:30,840 --> 02:56:34,000
Speaker 2: which the Democrats have to pay attention to, and they don't.

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Speaker 6: I mean it was Amarilla.

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Speaker 2: You gotta really, you know, extend yourself. Jasmin has been

3110
02:56:46,000 --> 02:56:49,240
Speaker 2: going to all of those places which the Democrats need

3111
02:56:49,400 --> 02:56:53,360
Speaker 2: to do more often. I think that she represents the

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Speaker 2: future of the Democratic Party, just like Iohan Omar Aoc

3113
02:56:59,640 --> 02:57:02,600
Speaker 2: and I do. And I think the Democrats want to

3114
02:57:02,640 --> 02:57:07,760
Speaker 2: stay unto that middle, be more moderate and not go

3115
02:57:08,320 --> 02:57:11,840
Speaker 2: to be more leftist the way the Democratic Party used

3116
02:57:11,879 --> 02:57:14,800
Speaker 2: to be years ago. And I'm gonna say it was

3117
02:57:14,879 --> 02:57:17,320
Speaker 2: all the way to the left, but it was more

3118
02:57:17,400 --> 02:57:20,040
Speaker 2: to the left than it is right now. And Jasmine

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Speaker 2: I think represents.

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Speaker 1: That all right. Thirteen away from the top of the

3121
02:57:23,560 --> 02:57:25,920
Speaker 1: on the Republican side, John Corny, who didn't get support

3122
02:57:25,959 --> 02:57:29,480
Speaker 1: if Donald Trump. He's up against the then of General

3123
02:57:29,520 --> 02:57:31,920
Speaker 1: the state of tarn Ken Paxson, and he's got so

3124
02:57:32,120 --> 02:57:36,879
Speaker 1: many scandals, doctor Wimbush. But yeah, still he's pulling ahead

3125
02:57:36,920 --> 02:57:43,280
Speaker 1: of Corning, the incumbent. Can you explain that.

3126
02:57:47,600 --> 02:57:51,000
Speaker 2: I think it's always amazing to me to see like

3127
02:57:51,160 --> 02:57:56,120
Speaker 2: the so called Christian national is backing the most degenerate candidates,

3128
02:57:56,879 --> 02:58:00,840
Speaker 2: you know, and then you see all these sell scandals.

3129
02:58:00,879 --> 02:58:04,280
Speaker 2: A lot have to do with Republicans and so forth.

3130
02:58:04,720 --> 02:58:09,520
Speaker 2: So I'm not surprised about that. I think Corning is

3131
02:58:09,560 --> 02:58:12,520
Speaker 2: a racist. He has said racist saying but this guy,

3132
02:58:13,600 --> 02:58:17,320
Speaker 2: he's running again with the Attorney general. This guy has

3133
02:58:17,440 --> 02:58:21,879
Speaker 2: scandals to make Watergate look like child's play and really

3134
02:58:22,080 --> 02:58:24,640
Speaker 2: rivals with the President of the United States, has been

3135
02:58:24,760 --> 02:58:28,280
Speaker 2: doing so you know, I'm gonna get my bag of

3136
02:58:28,360 --> 02:58:32,720
Speaker 2: popcorn and look at the you know, election returns tomorrow night.

3137
02:58:34,000 --> 02:58:36,080
Speaker 1: All right, must have been doing the same thing. Twelve

3138
02:58:36,120 --> 02:58:38,720
Speaker 1: away from the Topay, let's go to Pittsburgh Trina's wedding.

3139
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Speaker 1: First on Line three, Grand Rising Trina with doctor Ray Wimbush.

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Speaker 11: Good morning, gentlemen.

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Speaker 12: I just had a real quick question for doctor Winbush,

3142
02:58:47,640 --> 02:58:51,960
Speaker 12: just wondering should African Americans be concerned about our citizenship

3143
02:58:52,320 --> 02:58:54,760
Speaker 12: that both from the Supreme Court is coming up in July.

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02:58:56,720 --> 02:59:00,360
Speaker 2: Absolutely, there's no doubt about it, because this is with

3145
02:59:00,600 --> 02:59:05,040
Speaker 2: this birthright you know thing that the Supreme Court is

3146
02:59:05,840 --> 02:59:10,320
Speaker 2: if they say that the birthright clause in the Constitution

3147
02:59:11,400 --> 02:59:16,800
Speaker 2: is unconstitutional, which they could say. They did it with

3148
02:59:16,959 --> 02:59:22,760
Speaker 2: the abortion issue for example, you know, settle President. They

3149
02:59:22,800 --> 02:59:28,320
Speaker 2: could say, well, technically Africans in America were never citizens

3150
02:59:28,400 --> 02:59:32,840
Speaker 2: of this country. That clause was written. Amendment was written

3151
02:59:33,320 --> 02:59:39,400
Speaker 2: right after the Civil War. But you know, I would

3152
02:59:39,600 --> 02:59:42,800
Speaker 2: hope that they do the Submarine Corps do what they

3153
02:59:42,920 --> 02:59:46,840
Speaker 2: did with the tariff issue, and they said, this would

3154
02:59:46,879 --> 02:59:52,280
Speaker 2: be so outrageous that we can't you know, agree to this.

3155
02:59:53,120 --> 02:59:57,600
Speaker 2: But the birthright citizenship that Trump tries to link to

3156
02:59:57,879 --> 03:00:02,560
Speaker 2: undocumented people in this country is really an indirect way

3157
03:00:02,760 --> 03:00:07,400
Speaker 2: of delegitimizing the citizenship of black people in the United

3158
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Speaker 2: States of America.

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Speaker 1: Training do you have a follow up?

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Speaker 12: Yes, I don't think a lot of the civil rights organizations,

3161
03:00:16,600 --> 03:00:18,920
Speaker 12: even black books in general, have don't really concerned about that.

3162
03:00:19,680 --> 03:00:21,800
Speaker 12: And if we don't have citizenship in the country, then

3163
03:00:21,879 --> 03:00:25,160
Speaker 12: we really can't vote. So I would think the citizenship

3164
03:00:25,160 --> 03:00:27,480
Speaker 12: would be more of a concern at this point in

3165
03:00:27,560 --> 03:00:28,920
Speaker 12: time than voting rights.

3166
03:00:30,320 --> 03:00:32,199
Speaker 1: Right, And let me throw this in here, Dr Wambers

3167
03:00:32,200 --> 03:00:35,240
Speaker 1: before you respond to that, because let's talk about this

3168
03:00:35,400 --> 03:00:37,440
Speaker 1: is where they're going to start rounding up black people

3169
03:00:37,480 --> 03:00:40,320
Speaker 1: and sending us back to Africa. That's part of the

3170
03:00:40,400 --> 03:00:44,600
Speaker 1: conspiratorial issue. I'll let you address Trina's question a response

3171
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Speaker 1: on mine as well. Thank you, thank you, Trina.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, both.

3173
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Speaker 2: I mean, just imagine if they say, and they're doing

3174
03:00:52,120 --> 03:00:55,280
Speaker 2: it now with Latio, what if they said, well, you know,

3175
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Speaker 2: black focuses country aren't citizens, we can deport them. And

3176
03:01:00,240 --> 03:01:05,600
Speaker 2: again people'll say conspiratorial theory theorist which was a term,

3177
03:01:05,680 --> 03:01:08,640
Speaker 2: by the way, coined by the CIA, to you know,

3178
03:01:10,200 --> 03:01:13,760
Speaker 2: cast a spursion on the idea of truth. You know,

3179
03:01:14,040 --> 03:01:17,680
Speaker 2: I think that that is a possibility. I got a

3180
03:01:17,760 --> 03:01:22,080
Speaker 2: colleague of mind, Jose Permito Bate down at Maria College.

3181
03:01:22,200 --> 03:01:25,400
Speaker 2: He says, we have to remember, as black people that

3182
03:01:25,560 --> 03:01:31,000
Speaker 2: the United States government is capable of anything. And when

3183
03:01:31,040 --> 03:01:34,520
Speaker 2: you say, and that sounds like a truism, but they

3184
03:01:34,600 --> 03:01:38,400
Speaker 2: are capable of anything. And what we're seeing right now

3185
03:01:38,480 --> 03:01:41,920
Speaker 2: with Trump, he has gone beyond the he's a criminal.

3186
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Speaker 2: He's a criminal, but the United States Supreme Court says

3187
03:01:46,040 --> 03:01:50,520
Speaker 2: that he's immune from prosecution. The Congress, the House of

3188
03:01:50,600 --> 03:01:54,240
Speaker 2: Representatives has said, has said we'll let him do anything,

3189
03:01:54,360 --> 03:01:59,000
Speaker 2: We're going to advocate our role as an equal partner.

3190
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Speaker 6: In governing this country.

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Speaker 2: So if they could do anything, the idea that they

3192
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Speaker 2: would deport Africans, which was a wish of Abraham Lincoln

3193
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Speaker 2: at one time after the Civil War, and you still

3194
03:02:13,160 --> 03:02:14,199
Speaker 2: see this, Phray.

3195
03:02:14,840 --> 03:02:15,960
Speaker 6: Go back to Africa.

3196
03:02:16,080 --> 03:02:19,959
Speaker 2: I just blocked somebody on my Facebook page and said

3197
03:02:20,040 --> 03:02:23,920
Speaker 2: that to me, So I think that you got to say,

3198
03:02:24,120 --> 03:02:27,640
Speaker 2: if we're capable of anything, or this country is capable

3199
03:02:27,720 --> 03:02:31,280
Speaker 2: of anything, the possibility of us being deported from this

3200
03:02:31,400 --> 03:02:34,040
Speaker 2: country is real, all right.

3201
03:02:34,360 --> 03:02:36,640
Speaker 1: Eight away from the top there at Loose checking in

3202
03:02:36,760 --> 03:02:39,480
Speaker 1: from West Palm Beach in Florida is online one Grand Rising,

3203
03:02:39,520 --> 03:02:40,640
Speaker 1: Lou You're on with doctor.

3204
03:02:40,440 --> 03:02:46,359
Speaker 13: Wimbush going around and I'm calling about miss Wmiss Crockett.

3205
03:02:46,760 --> 03:02:50,320
Speaker 13: You know, her record shows that with Israel, she voted

3206
03:02:50,760 --> 03:02:55,199
Speaker 13: every time to send more money to Israel. And I'm wondering,

3207
03:02:56,320 --> 03:02:58,120
Speaker 13: this is what we want to do as black people.

3208
03:02:58,879 --> 03:03:02,200
Speaker 13: Even though she's she's powerful in one way, but if

3209
03:03:02,200 --> 03:03:06,800
Speaker 13: she's supporting Israel that's killing children, and right now, right now,

3210
03:03:06,840 --> 03:03:09,640
Speaker 13: it's getting ready to start World War three, why should

3211
03:03:09,680 --> 03:03:12,720
Speaker 13: we support her If she's supporting a place like Israel.

3212
03:03:13,120 --> 03:03:15,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, rest Nicolas, let's get doctor Wimbish chances. Thank you.

3213
03:03:15,879 --> 03:03:17,760
Speaker 1: Lewis correct, she did vote with APAC.

3214
03:03:17,840 --> 03:03:21,280
Speaker 2: Go ahead, Doc, yeah is he She did vote with

3215
03:03:21,400 --> 03:03:24,120
Speaker 2: APAC on that. And there's a flaw again. We have

3216
03:03:24,320 --> 03:03:28,600
Speaker 2: to be able to critique of people. There is tremendous

3217
03:03:28,640 --> 03:03:32,200
Speaker 2: amount of pressure on black politicians to all line up

3218
03:03:32,640 --> 03:03:37,040
Speaker 2: behind Israel. There's a handful of them like iohan Omar

3219
03:03:37,640 --> 03:03:41,160
Speaker 2: or to leave up in Detroit that don't do that.

3220
03:03:41,400 --> 03:03:42,840
Speaker 2: AOC is another one.

3221
03:03:43,240 --> 03:03:43,800
Speaker 6: But there's a.

3222
03:03:43,920 --> 03:03:48,040
Speaker 2: Tremendous amount of pressure on them to support Israel, and

3223
03:03:48,360 --> 03:03:51,600
Speaker 2: we have to tell them. Look, we've got to give

3224
03:03:51,720 --> 03:03:54,720
Speaker 2: them their support. I don't know if the call her

3225
03:03:54,840 --> 03:03:56,640
Speaker 2: is still on line. I just want to ask him,

3226
03:03:56,760 --> 03:03:58,560
Speaker 2: was he a member of the Republican Party?

3227
03:03:58,680 --> 03:04:02,160
Speaker 1: Though he hung up, But let me ask you this though,

3228
03:04:02,920 --> 03:04:07,320
Speaker 1: Dr Wimbush, how can we instead of our elected officials?

3229
03:04:07,360 --> 03:04:09,920
Speaker 1: And I think brother Ray Funkroy talked this about this

3230
03:04:10,080 --> 03:04:12,960
Speaker 1: quite a minute. We don't support our elected officials. We don't.

3231
03:04:12,959 --> 03:04:15,320
Speaker 1: We don't. We don't fund them so that they have

3232
03:04:15,440 --> 03:04:18,200
Speaker 1: to dance to the page of the piper who pays them.

3233
03:04:18,440 --> 03:04:21,600
Speaker 1: That's probably why why Crockett is doing that, and we

3234
03:04:21,720 --> 03:04:24,400
Speaker 1: see that a lot with most of the Congression of

3235
03:04:24,440 --> 03:04:27,959
Speaker 1: Black Caucus. So the question is why don't we replace them, Well,

3236
03:04:28,320 --> 03:04:30,200
Speaker 1: why don't we have our agencies, Why don't we have

3237
03:04:30,720 --> 03:04:33,440
Speaker 1: supporting them financially so they can do our bidding.

3238
03:04:34,280 --> 03:04:38,040
Speaker 2: No, you're you're an absolutely correct car. You know, I

3239
03:04:38,280 --> 03:04:42,200
Speaker 2: think of a pact. We need to have somebout BIPARC.

3240
03:04:42,520 --> 03:04:45,520
Speaker 2: We'll get some called BYPIP, but we need to have

3241
03:04:45,760 --> 03:04:52,040
Speaker 2: a super powerful lobbying organization that is devoted, totally devoted

3242
03:04:52,320 --> 03:04:56,240
Speaker 2: to raising money for black candidates. And that's not only

3243
03:04:56,360 --> 03:05:00,000
Speaker 2: at the national level like a jet with jazzmin Crockett.

3244
03:05:00,320 --> 03:05:03,640
Speaker 2: That's at the local left that we see a lack

3245
03:05:03,720 --> 03:05:06,720
Speaker 2: of support. I tell black folk they should give fifty

3246
03:05:06,760 --> 03:05:10,320
Speaker 2: dollars a month to a black candidate, and people are

3247
03:05:10,680 --> 03:05:13,280
Speaker 2: fifty dollars. You know, I'm gonna go to the movies.

3248
03:05:13,600 --> 03:05:17,360
Speaker 2: You know, I'm gonna give some quava, sia or whatever.

3249
03:05:17,760 --> 03:05:20,279
Speaker 2: But I ain't giving fifty dollars for you know, supporting

3250
03:05:20,320 --> 03:05:23,520
Speaker 2: black candidates. If all of us did that, if half

3251
03:05:23,640 --> 03:05:26,800
Speaker 2: of Black America did that right now, we would raise

3252
03:05:27,000 --> 03:05:30,640
Speaker 2: over one hundred million dollars for our candidates every month.

3253
03:05:31,160 --> 03:05:33,160
Speaker 6: But we don't do that, and we've.

3254
03:05:33,000 --> 03:05:37,280
Speaker 2: Gotta support our candidates, so they los Coyle taw to.

3255
03:05:37,320 --> 03:05:39,360
Speaker 6: The Israeli locked right.

3256
03:05:39,440 --> 03:05:42,000
Speaker 1: Also got to support our scholars as well, our top scholars,

3257
03:05:42,080 --> 03:05:45,640
Speaker 1: and many of them leave here and are almost impoverished.

3258
03:05:45,720 --> 03:05:47,800
Speaker 1: And the other people that they support their scholars.

3259
03:05:48,040 --> 03:05:53,920
Speaker 7: Why don't we well again, you know, you know it's

3260
03:05:53,959 --> 03:05:54,480
Speaker 7: a question.

3261
03:05:54,640 --> 03:05:57,199
Speaker 2: If you raised it, a lot black folk get mad.

3262
03:05:57,600 --> 03:06:01,000
Speaker 2: We don't support. What we do support is the Black Church.

3263
03:06:01,240 --> 03:06:01,800
Speaker 5: We do that.

3264
03:06:02,600 --> 03:06:04,560
Speaker 2: But see that's why I say the Black Church has

3265
03:06:04,640 --> 03:06:07,760
Speaker 2: to do more. We don't support our black guys. I've

3266
03:06:07,800 --> 03:06:11,480
Speaker 2: gotta colleague right now, and I don't want to well,

3267
03:06:11,840 --> 03:06:15,400
Speaker 2: I'll call it Tommy Curry who had to move to Scotland,

3268
03:06:15,560 --> 03:06:20,280
Speaker 2: black scholar, excellent black scholar with his family because of

3269
03:06:20,440 --> 03:06:24,000
Speaker 2: death threats and we could protect them. We don't support

3270
03:06:24,200 --> 03:06:28,480
Speaker 2: our black actors and actresses.

3271
03:06:28,240 --> 03:06:29,199
Speaker 6: Who have retired.

3272
03:06:29,600 --> 03:06:34,600
Speaker 2: Catherine Dunham died in poverty in East Saint Louis years ago,

3273
03:06:35,160 --> 03:06:38,600
Speaker 2: and a lot of us we have to start giving

3274
03:06:39,040 --> 03:06:44,280
Speaker 2: money to our people, and black folks get mad. We

3275
03:06:44,400 --> 03:06:48,000
Speaker 2: will give it to certain people in our community, like

3276
03:06:48,240 --> 03:06:51,720
Speaker 2: Tyler Perry, and I'm not dis in Tyler but we

3277
03:06:52,120 --> 03:06:56,199
Speaker 2: have to be more strategic with how we spend our dollars.

3278
03:06:57,280 --> 03:06:59,480
Speaker 1: Yes, the family, we've got to we've got to do better.

3279
03:06:59,520 --> 03:07:01,720
Speaker 1: We've got to do better. Listen, doctor, I wish is

3280
03:07:01,800 --> 03:07:03,959
Speaker 1: just about our time. How can folks reach you at Morgan?

3281
03:07:05,400 --> 03:07:08,960
Speaker 2: You can reach me at four four three eight five

3282
03:07:09,320 --> 03:07:12,600
Speaker 2: forty eight hundred. Just look me up at Morgan dot

3283
03:07:12,680 --> 03:07:16,760
Speaker 2: EEDU and on Facebook just look under ray Winbush.

3284
03:07:18,040 --> 03:07:19,880
Speaker 1: All right, thank you, doctor Embush. Thank you for all

3285
03:07:19,879 --> 03:07:21,840
Speaker 1: the information you shared with us this morning.

3286
03:07:22,360 --> 03:07:24,760
Speaker 6: All right, bro, keep doing what you're doing. Brother, take

3287
03:07:24,800 --> 03:07:25,440
Speaker 6: care all right.

3288
03:07:25,400 --> 03:07:28,720
Speaker 1: Family three away from the top. Yeah, that's it, classes dismiss,

3289
03:07:28,800 --> 03:07:32,240
Speaker 1: Stay strong, stay positive, please please stay healthy. We'll see

3290
03:07:32,240 --> 03:07:34,520
Speaker 1: you tomorrow morning, six o'clock right here in Baltimore or

3291
03:07:34,560 --> 03:07:38,760
Speaker 1: on ten ten WLB. And I'm fourteen fifty wol