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Speaker 1: get one last lease on it and they snatch victory

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Speaker 1: from the jaws of defeat. And that's what great teams do.

436
00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:24,480
Speaker 1: And I do feel like if there was a trap

437
00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:27,840
Speaker 1: game quote unquote or a wake up game, we may

438
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Speaker 1: look back. Whatever the ultimate destiny is for Indiana this season,

439
00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:35,480
Speaker 1: I think we will look back at that Iowa week

440
00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:37,640
Speaker 1: and say that was a boulder in the stream game

441
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:42,959
Speaker 1: that changed their trajectory. But here's my question in regards

442
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:48,960
Speaker 1: to the Colts that it's the quiet part that we've

443
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Speaker 1: kind of mentioned out loud, and it's another one that

444
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Speaker 1: I've been going back and forth, and I saw that

445
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Speaker 1: Greg wrote a column about this I believe to or

446
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:04,959
Speaker 1: maybe it was yesterday in the Star, but I've mentioned

447
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:11,679
Speaker 1: it as well, and now I think for certain we

448
00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:14,840
Speaker 1: can say it conclusively. I just I don't in any way,

449
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Speaker 1: shape or form, see how there's any way other than

450
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Speaker 1: to say this it is emphatically. And this is just

451
00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:32,399
Speaker 1: my speculation a year ago and I can't remember. I

452
00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:34,960
Speaker 1: believe it was, and it was so odd because I

453
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:37,879
Speaker 1: think I was out of town. I believe it was

454
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:43,240
Speaker 1: last season when I because it's I can't take really

455
00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:47,160
Speaker 1: vacations during the summertime because of the racing schedule. It's difficult.

456
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Speaker 1: So I try to take a vacation in the fall.

457
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Speaker 1: I'll be doing one here in a month, and I

458
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Speaker 1: am very conscientious of doing it professionally speaking around the

459
00:26:57,160 --> 00:26:59,720
Speaker 1: Colt schedule. And last year I can't remember what the

460
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Speaker 1: reason was during the Colts bye week when I couldn't

461
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:04,480
Speaker 1: do a trip and take I mean I'm talking taking

462
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Speaker 1: like three days off or four shows off. So last

463
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Speaker 1: year I'm like, you know, what, which week is it

464
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Speaker 1: that is the the most innocuous to miss shows?

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Speaker 5: What?

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Speaker 1: And this was like in August, Okay, we're having I'm

467
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Speaker 1: having to look at my schedule in my life based

468
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Speaker 1: on what I'm predicting the culture going to do last season.

469
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:24,959
Speaker 1: And I looked at it and I said, you know,

470
00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:27,720
Speaker 1: the game here on the schedule that looks like it's

471
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Speaker 1: going to be the one that I can just kind

472
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:34,040
Speaker 1: of slide out and do the Irish goodbye on for

473
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Speaker 1: the week that that probably is not going to be.

474
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Speaker 1: The most noticeable will be what really is going to

475
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Speaker 1: happen in like late October against Minnesota. You know, I

476
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:45,879
Speaker 1: mean the Minnesota, I mean, the Vikings aren't going to

477
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Speaker 1: be any good. The Colts I don't think are going

478
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:49,399
Speaker 1: to be very good. This is going to be like

479
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:51,560
Speaker 1: two four and six teams. It's going to be that

480
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 1: game that's you know, there's like a broadcast team you've

481
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:57,040
Speaker 1: never even heard of that's doing it and you know,

482
00:27:57,080 --> 00:27:59,960
Speaker 1: who even knows what network will pick it up and yeah, Minneso.

483
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:03,240
Speaker 1: So it'll be fine. So that's what we do. Well,

484
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:06,399
Speaker 1: what happens, But Sam Darnold is last year's version of

485
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:08,760
Speaker 1: this year's Daniel Jones And they get off and flying,

486
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:11,040
Speaker 1: and Minnesota's now like great and the Colts have to

487
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:14,720
Speaker 1: go in there and then lo and behold the announcement

488
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:18,000
Speaker 1: comes like literally as I'm landing from vacation, like, Anthony

489
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:21,920
Speaker 1: Richardson has been pulled as the starter. You know, Joe

490
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:26,200
Speaker 1: Flacco will now start. And I at that time, at

491
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Speaker 1: that time, I sent a tweet with simply two words

492
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Speaker 1: and I said it's over.

493
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:36,679
Speaker 2: And rightly. So I caught a lot of heat for it. Rightly.

494
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Speaker 1: So people jumped on me and said, that is the

495
00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:46,000
Speaker 1: most knee jerk sports talk radio absurd thing that I've

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Speaker 1: ever heard.

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Speaker 2: Okay, And.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, you know what, maybe that's true. Maybe in fact,

499
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 1: there is time for him to still turn it around.

500
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:03,600
Speaker 1: And they did give him another opportunity, and he did

501
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:11,920
Speaker 1: have the opportunity to to get the chance to be

502
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Speaker 1: the starter again, and they bring in Daniel Jones. And

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Speaker 1: I think we all thought that Daniel Jones was brought

504
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Speaker 1: in simply to push him and wake him up.

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Speaker 2: I think we all thought that.

506
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Speaker 1: I think Daniel Jones was going to be the Colt's

507
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Speaker 1: version of the IOWA game for Indiana, the like wake

508
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:32,520
Speaker 1: up of Okay, if you've got it, Anthony Richardson, if

509
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 1: you are Indiana football, then Daniel Jones is your IOWA

510
00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:39,080
Speaker 1: And let's see how you respond. And then Daniel Jones

511
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:41,800
Speaker 1: did what it was that Shane Stiken wanted him to do.

512
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:46,000
Speaker 1: He became he was an obsessive football guy. He was

513
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:49,520
Speaker 1: a you can't peel the playbook out of my hands guy.

514
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:54,080
Speaker 1: He was the I'm going to be in early watching film,

515
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:56,880
Speaker 1: doing everything, analyzing, breaking it down guy.

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Speaker 2: Okay, And so.

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Speaker 1: The fact that Jones came in, I still thought to myself, Okay,

518
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Speaker 1: I was wrong with that my two word response of

519
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:18,120
Speaker 1: it's over, I was wrong. And Anthony Richardson now, because

520
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:19,840
Speaker 1: there's a veteran there that's going to show him how

521
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:23,120
Speaker 1: to do things, he is going to, in fact, finally

522
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:26,800
Speaker 1: show the promise that has been that they've been waiting for.

523
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Speaker 1: And for whatever reason, I'm not even saying it's Anthony

524
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Speaker 1: Richardson's fault at this point, but for whatever reason, he

525
00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:41,200
Speaker 1: is a magnet to the bizarre and it is not

526
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Speaker 1: his fault. Per se that that it's not at all

527
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Speaker 1: his fault. I mean, I wasn't there, but I think

528
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Speaker 1: we can say that a medical device malfunction of a

529
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:55,640
Speaker 1: band snapping and hitting him and fracturing his orbital bone

530
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Speaker 1: and knocking him out for four weeks one hundred percent.

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Speaker 1: That's not his fault. It's a fluke thing. However, if

532
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Speaker 1: I were to stop any fan of the Indianapolis Colts

533
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 1: in the middle of July and say I come from

534
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:15,959
Speaker 1: the future in mid October, and there's one player on

535
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 1: the roster that is going to go on ir because

536
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:21,160
Speaker 1: they're going to be doing an exercise with one of

537
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 1: those banned things that you stretch out to like a

538
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:28,000
Speaker 1: resistance band, and it's gonna snap and the apparatus itself

539
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:30,160
Speaker 1: is gonna come flying back and hit the player in

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00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:32,320
Speaker 1: the eye and they're gonna be out for four weeks. There,

541
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Speaker 1: I come from the future, and I'm not going to

542
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:36,280
Speaker 1: tell you what player it is. If I said that

543
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 1: to one thousand Indianapolis Colts fans, nine hundred and ninety

544
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:41,520
Speaker 1: nine of them would say, well, it's got to be

545
00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:45,960
Speaker 1: Anthony Richardson. I'm not even saying it's his fault, but

546
00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 1: he's he has been a magnet to the bazaar and

547
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:52,960
Speaker 1: to the Just what that injury really like? You get

548
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 1: sacked and it dislocated, you're pinky okay consecutively and there

549
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 1: just seems or whatever reason, I'm not saying it's his

550
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 1: fault but for whatever reason, he seems to just come

551
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:12,720
Speaker 1: like literally by the quarterback, get the drama for free.

552
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:17,360
Speaker 2: And now he's on IR.

553
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 1: And I'm thinking to myself, this guy two years ago

554
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 1: was handed the keys to the franchise and now in

555
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:30,320
Speaker 1: the middle of the year, he's being placed on an

556
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 1: injured reserve and most people don't even know he's on IR.

557
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 1: It's just like, way, I think he's out right. Didn't

558
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:37,479
Speaker 1: he get hurt or something? And by the way, what

559
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:39,120
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones, what do you have to say about the

560
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:43,600
Speaker 1: Chargers defense? And he is literally he's out of sight,

561
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:44,720
Speaker 1: but he's not out of mind.

562
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 2: But it's over. It's over.

563
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 1: And I'm curious, like, I don't think anybody wishes ill

564
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:54,640
Speaker 1: will on the guy, and I don't think anybody knows

565
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:59,480
Speaker 1: whether or not is he JaMarcus Russell?

566
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Speaker 6: Is he?

567
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 2: You know?

568
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 1: There have been a million quarterbacks that the Drew lock

569
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 1: that like they came in and it's like, oh man,

570
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:09,440
Speaker 1: this guy's got he's an athlete, he's got a big arm.

571
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:11,800
Speaker 1: He's going to be a great player, he's going to

572
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 1: change things. And then you like Heath Schuler, he's big,

573
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 1: like came out of the sec played well, and then boom,

574
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 1: never hear from him again. And literally three years later

575
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 1: you're like, is that guy still in the league or not?

576
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 1: And I literally I I the quiet part out loud.

577
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:40,120
Speaker 1: Now is it's over. The Anthony Richardson era is over.

578
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:43,200
Speaker 1: The experiment is done, and it almost feels like now

579
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Speaker 1: the Colts have their reasoning to finally let us know

580
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:47,920
Speaker 1: what they didn't want to let us know because it

581
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 1: would have been admitting their own mistake. But it's not

582
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 1: their own mistake anymore because now you can look at

583
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:55,920
Speaker 1: it and say it just didn't work out there. There

584
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 1: were just you know, the injuries. You can't put that

585
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:04,480
Speaker 1: on us. Hey, Jake, wasn't it the poll in the

586
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 1: locker room that he attached the band to that broken?

587
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:08,040
Speaker 1: Not the band itself?

588
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 2: Yeah?

589
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:13,440
Speaker 1: I think I had heard or I think those bands

590
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 1: don't They have like a plastic thing at the bottom

591
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:18,920
Speaker 1: and say you put your foot down through that and

592
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:22,480
Speaker 1: then something snapped in that plastic It was what was

593
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 1: attached to the band. I think that came up. I

594
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:27,279
Speaker 1: don't know either way. All I know is whichever way

595
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 1: it was, it was totally bizarre. Oh my gosh, Jake,

596
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:33,960
Speaker 1: you take forever to get to your points. I love

597
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:35,719
Speaker 1: your opinions. It's just so hard to sit through the

598
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:39,279
Speaker 1: twenty minute lead up to the actual point. I understand,

599
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:41,279
Speaker 1: but I do appreciate that you sit through the twenty

600
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:42,800
Speaker 1: minute lead up for the actual point.

601
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Speaker 5: I do.

602
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:48,319
Speaker 1: I understand it, I get it, but I appreciate you

603
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:54,360
Speaker 1: listening when we come back. There was something said yesterday

604
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:58,239
Speaker 1: that I thought, what do you know? We played an

605
00:34:58,280 --> 00:34:59,759
Speaker 1: audio clip the other day and now all of a

606
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:04,840
Speaker 1: sudd there's a retort, there's a response, let you know

607
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 1: about it. And Pat Boyle and Pacers Radio joins us

608
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Speaker 1: in eighteen. Hey, guys, remember I said interactive Thursday. That

609
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:16,360
Speaker 1: includes those that want to be critical.

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Speaker 2: I'm cool with it. I get it.

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Speaker 1: I totally get it. Somebody tell Jake that Bravada is

612
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 1: an oldsmobile. Bravado is a bold manner or a show

613
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 1: of boldness intended to impress or intimidate.

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Speaker 2: That I say Bravada.

615
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 1: Maybe I was thinking linguistically and I was going with

616
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:34,919
Speaker 1: like the feminine form. I do remember the Oldsman bil.

617
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:38,600
Speaker 1: Bravada was that like the Achieva, Remember the old the

618
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:41,200
Speaker 1: olds mobile Achieva. I remember a guy when I worked

619
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:43,800
Speaker 1: at Hardwick's trying to sell me an Olds mobile Achieva.

620
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:47,759
Speaker 1: But in terms of bravado, there's been a lot of

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Speaker 1: that from Kurt Signetti. And it is interesting to me

622
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Speaker 1: if you look at Purdue, one of the great rivalries

623
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Speaker 1: and traditions, I guess is probably a better word in

624
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:06,719
Speaker 1: college football is Purdue in Notre Dame in football every year.

625
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:10,239
Speaker 1: And Notre Dame's got a schedule that has and includes

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00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:12,719
Speaker 1: a lot of because of course they're independent games that

627
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 1: are traditional rivalry games. That's why they play Navy every

628
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:18,759
Speaker 1: year and obviously USC but Purdue is one of them.

629
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Speaker 2: And Indiana.

630
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:29,840
Speaker 1: Caught a lot of heat and criticism in the last

631
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Speaker 1: couple of years, and notably a year ago when they

632
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:41,240
Speaker 1: kind of made the first move on the chessboard by saying, look,

633
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:45,440
Speaker 1: Kurt Signetti did in particular at Big ten Media Day

634
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Speaker 1: when he was saying, look, from the standpoint of scheduling,

635
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:51,239
Speaker 1: you got to look at the way the SEC does it.

636
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:55,560
Speaker 1: The SEC is smarter in their scheduling, because what is

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Speaker 1: to be gained by going out and playing in these

638
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 1: you know, big matchups right out of the box, as

639
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:10,840
Speaker 1: opposed to playing against the max or the smaller schools

640
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 1: to and then get into conference, and you know, you

641
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 1: get plenty of chances in the Big Ten, no matter

642
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 1: who you are Indiana, Minnesota, Iowa, Michigan, State, whatever it

643
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:28,440
Speaker 1: may be, you get plenty of chances to right the

644
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:30,360
Speaker 1: ship over the course of the year and get quality

645
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 1: wins because of the league that you're in. And we

646
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:36,319
Speaker 1: played the other day Paul Finbaum talking about how he

647
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 1: doesn't like Kurt Signetti because he thinks Kurt Signetti has

648
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:45,920
Speaker 1: bravado or is arrogant and brash, and that probably stems

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Speaker 1: from the fact that Signetti had kind of subtly while

650
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:52,600
Speaker 1: tipping his cap to the way the SEC does it

651
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Speaker 1: also kind of taking a shot at the SEC and

652
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Speaker 1: some of its teams in the way that they schedule.

653
00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 1: And now Indiana finds itself ranked within the top five.

654
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 1: And while he didn't come out and say who he

655
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:09,720
Speaker 1: was talking about, Signetti did make interesting comments recently about

656
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Speaker 1: just the overall aspect of the lens in which Indiana

657
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:17,880
Speaker 1: is now viewed.

658
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:22,520
Speaker 7: And let's face it, you know, college athletics, college football

659
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 7: has really changed a lot, you know, in the last five, ten,

660
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:30,520
Speaker 7: fifteen years, and there's a division, there's no doubt about

661
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:33,919
Speaker 7: it in the media, and a lot of it's tied

662
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:37,839
Speaker 7: into whatever TV network is covering which conference, and then

663
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 7: you're going to have sports writers that support those schools

664
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:44,320
Speaker 7: and are against the other schools. So there is definitely

665
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Speaker 7: a great divide.

666
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:53,000
Speaker 1: And one of the things with that that comes off

667
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 1: of that that great divide of the perception of programs,

668
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:59,879
Speaker 1: right and the way that they're covered. You can new

669
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:04,560
Speaker 1: and say perhaps there is this quote unquote great divide,

670
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:07,880
Speaker 1: and that great divide to an extent, is not just

671
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 1: the way programs are perceived and or covered, but also

672
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 1: the way that they are branded and marketed. And it

673
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:22,359
Speaker 1: was this has been for Indiana, as it will be

674
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:26,960
Speaker 1: for Purdue with Barry otom as it will be for

675
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:30,800
Speaker 1: could have been and may still be for Minnesota with

676
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:35,160
Speaker 1: PJ Fleck whatever, and in basketball, for Indiana basketball to

677
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:38,440
Speaker 1: try to get back to where it once you know,

678
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 1: was and has always wanted to be back towards for

679
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 1: Indiana's revival here. And I know we've talked a lot

680
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:48,759
Speaker 1: about Kurtz Signetti this week in Indiana, but I do

681
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:51,400
Speaker 1: believe this is the best story in college football, and

682
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:53,399
Speaker 1: they might be the best team in the country which

683
00:39:53,440 --> 00:40:00,120
Speaker 1: is literally still impossible to grasp. But there was the

684
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:03,719
Speaker 1: perfect storm in favor of Indiana here because of that

685
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:06,280
Speaker 1: divide that Signetti talks about in the way that teams

686
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:11,759
Speaker 1: are perceived, it's because you have an old guard that

687
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:16,480
Speaker 1: almost refuses to accept the possibility that the rest of

688
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:18,920
Speaker 1: the teams in college football now are able to do

689
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:23,160
Speaker 1: what the SEC has always done. What's the SEC always done?

690
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 1: The SEC has always prioritized football, and USC is in

691
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 1: this category as well, and the big independence prioritized football

692
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:38,359
Speaker 1: and done whatever it takes to win. And you know,

693
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:42,279
Speaker 1: I'm watching a documentary right now on USC football and

694
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:45,080
Speaker 1: the dominant teams that they had Cocaine quarterbacks. The name

695
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:47,120
Speaker 1: of the documentary about a guy that was a walk

696
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:50,040
Speaker 1: on at USC, and it's talking about just the lifestyle

697
00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 1: of USC football and the Reggie Bush, Matt Lionert, Carson Palmer,

698
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 1: Lindel White era, and it's the wild Wild West. These

699
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:01,680
Speaker 1: guys are going around, they're glitz and glamour, and they're

700
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:03,960
Speaker 1: red carpeting in LA and they're hanging out with Paris

701
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:06,080
Speaker 1: Hilton and Kim Kardashian and all of it. And Will

702
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:08,840
Speaker 1: Ferrell's on the sidelines and Denzel's on the sidelines, and

703
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:11,160
Speaker 1: Lyndall White says in the documentary, He's like, we got

704
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 1: it whatever we wanted. And you think that didn't take

705
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:18,640
Speaker 1: place at SEC schools for the last thirty years. And

706
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:21,200
Speaker 1: the fact that these programs that are selling out one

707
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:25,480
Speaker 1: hundred and five thousand seat under the lights, you know, games,

708
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:29,680
Speaker 1: and the SEC was doing now what is legal across

709
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:32,799
Speaker 1: the board, and that great divide in terms of the

710
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 1: way that college football is covered and interpreted is actually

711
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:41,719
Speaker 1: now homogenized in the way that it is marketed and branded.

712
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:44,879
Speaker 1: Because if you are Indiana, or you are for that matter,

713
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:47,520
Speaker 1: if you want to be at Minnesota or Purdue or

714
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:51,720
Speaker 1: Boise State or whatever school you want to think of Baylor,

715
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:57,719
Speaker 1: you now have carte blanche essentially to do what other

716
00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:02,920
Speaker 1: programs were doing only in the dark. And with NIL

717
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 1: and the transfer portal, it's the wild wild West where

718
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:09,120
Speaker 1: it is come one, come all, And it is hard

719
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 1: for traditionalists that have traditionally thought that only the Tennessee's,

720
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:17,959
Speaker 1: the Floridas, the Alabama's, the Auburns of the world could

721
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:21,920
Speaker 1: behave in such a way because their football matters and

722
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 1: their football is prioritized and they understand what it takes

723
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 1: to win, and now having to understand the fact that

724
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:32,600
Speaker 1: what it takes to win is actually in the grasp

725
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 1: and in the palm of any program that wants to

726
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 1: do it, and Indiana is one of them. They went out,

727
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:40,759
Speaker 1: they got a coach, they put money into facilities, they

728
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:43,880
Speaker 1: got transfer portal, they got NIL money. They came up

729
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:47,160
Speaker 1: with their own means and fashion of a collective before

730
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:51,520
Speaker 1: nil was even announced. And here we are. So he's right,

731
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 1: there's a great divide in the way it's interpreted, but

732
00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:59,439
Speaker 1: there is not anymore a great divide in the way

733
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Speaker 1: that it's built. Pat Boylan Pacers Radio joins us. Next

734
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Speaker 1: Pacers in Action coming up tomorrow night, right, Corbyn is

735
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Speaker 1: the Pacers and Action in San Antonio. Have you been

736
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 1: to San Antonio, Corbyn? You know they got that riverwalk.

737
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:15,279
Speaker 1: You can just go out here to the White River

738
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Speaker 1: and just walk up and down, or not the White River,

739
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:19,799
Speaker 1: but the canal. Just walk coming down the canal. And

740
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:22,480
Speaker 1: it's awesome at the Riverwalk in San Antonio. But then

741
00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:24,360
Speaker 1: after about twenty minutes you're like, I think I just

742
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:27,160
Speaker 1: passed that restaurant for the seventh time, and you realize

743
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:28,799
Speaker 1: that you just walk, you go over bridge, you walk

744
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:30,160
Speaker 1: in before you know what you're doing laps.

745
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:31,160
Speaker 2: But it is very cool.

746
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:33,759
Speaker 1: A lot of good restaurants in San Antonio and a

747
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:35,840
Speaker 1: team that the Pacers are gonna see for the second

748
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:38,240
Speaker 1: time in a week. Joining us now on the Java

749
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:40,800
Speaker 1: House Peel and Poor Guest line. He is, of course

750
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:43,760
Speaker 1: on the radio network for the Indiana Pacers, Pat Boylan

751
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:45,920
Speaker 1: joining us. Pat, you have or have not been to

752
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 1: San Antonio, I have.

753
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 4: For those who don't know, I don't typically travel with

754
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 4: the Pacers on the road.

755
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:53,319
Speaker 8: I'm in the studio that you're sitting in there right now.

756
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:56,160
Speaker 4: My brother lives in Austin, and I did a one

757
00:43:56,280 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 4: day like nine to seven days in San Antonio, so

758
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:03,319
Speaker 4: tried to knock it out in one day.

759
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:04,440
Speaker 8: Have done the Riverwalk.

760
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 4: It is nice.

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Speaker 1: Did you notice when you do the riverwalk that after

762
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:08,799
Speaker 1: about twenty minutes you've passed the same spot for the

763
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:09,400
Speaker 1: fourth time?

764
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 5: Yeah?

765
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, And when we went it was like late July

766
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:16,319
Speaker 4: and approximately one hundred and five degrees, so I'm not

767
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:19,319
Speaker 4: sure that's the perfect time to take in San Antonio.

768
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:23,880
Speaker 4: But you know, nice, smaller sized, medium city.

769
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Speaker 1: It is that that is a fair way of saying it.

770
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 1: It is also one that is epicentered around their NBA

771
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 1: team in the Spurs. And I want to begin with

772
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:35,160
Speaker 1: this before we get into the Pacers, and there's plenty

773
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:36,040
Speaker 1: to discuss there.

774
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:38,640
Speaker 2: But I mentioned this after going to the game Monday.

775
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Speaker 5: Pat.

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00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:41,759
Speaker 1: I know that we've known it, I know that we

777
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 1: have seen glimpses of it, and then obviously he was

778
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:49,680
Speaker 1: hurt last year. But Victor Webbemiyama is truly the face

779
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:53,920
Speaker 1: of positionless basketball because to see a guy that size

780
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:57,399
Speaker 1: bring the ball up the floor and then effortlessly pull

781
00:44:57,480 --> 00:45:00,279
Speaker 1: up from twenty eight and hit a shot, I could

782
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:03,600
Speaker 1: think to myself, is there's nothing you can do about this?

783
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:03,960
Speaker 2: Right?

784
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:09,359
Speaker 1: I mean it, it was pretty impressive to witness up

785
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:10,240
Speaker 1: close and in person.

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Speaker 4: One thing that blew my mind. And I've had the

787
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:15,600
Speaker 4: chance to watch him a couple of times, but at

788
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:19,160
Speaker 4: the center jump circle was Isaiah Jackson, who is maybe

789
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:22,080
Speaker 4: a little undersize for a center, maybe just a little bit,

790
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 4: but in the center jump circle it looked like a

791
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 4: center going up against the point guard and Isaiah Jackson

792
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:28,800
Speaker 4: is an NBA center.

793
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:29,960
Speaker 8: I mean, it was remarkable.

794
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 4: Rick Smith's was sitting I think a little down from

795
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:35,799
Speaker 4: where you were, and I wanted him to just go

796
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:38,000
Speaker 4: out on the court and stand next to this guy

797
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:41,440
Speaker 4: because Rick Smith's is seven to four and it just

798
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:44,960
Speaker 4: feels like Victor webban Yama has three to four inches

799
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Speaker 4: on him.

800
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:46,879
Speaker 8: I don't know. I mean, it's like.

801
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 4: You're so used to watching when you when you get

802
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:52,480
Speaker 4: the good fortune of either going to NBA games regularly

803
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:55,360
Speaker 4: or working in the NBA, You're so used to watching,

804
00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:59,440
Speaker 4: you know, unproportional body types. And then you see this

805
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 4: guy and he's like his own stratosphere. He's in his

806
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 4: own solar system in that regard, and look, the injury

807
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:09,520
Speaker 4: thing is the only thing that I can possibly imagine

808
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:13,600
Speaker 4: that keeps him from being an MVP, that keeps him

809
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:16,880
Speaker 4: from being a champion, that keeps the Spurs from eventually

810
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:19,680
Speaker 4: winning a title at some point over his career. I

811
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 4: do think it's a big, big question mark though. In fact,

812
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:24,680
Speaker 4: I was even reading an article in the offseason about

813
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:27,200
Speaker 4: how the Spurs front office is being a lot more

814
00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:31,120
Speaker 4: aggressive than some front offices might with a young player,

815
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:33,360
Speaker 4: thinking I've got, you know, ten to fifteen years with

816
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:36,359
Speaker 4: this guy, because you know, they're realistic that at age

817
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:39,399
Speaker 4: thirty four thirty five. Can he be doing this? We'll

818
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 4: find out in ten plus years. But that said, I

819
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:46,879
Speaker 4: mean he is just unicorn. Almost has been thrown out

820
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:51,080
Speaker 4: there too often in sports. This guy is the true

821
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:56,480
Speaker 4: definition of a unicorn. I've never seen anything like it.

822
00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 4: And it's just amazing when he's down there in the post,

823
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:02,680
Speaker 4: when he's got six inches on the center guarding him.

824
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:04,240
Speaker 8: But also he's got a great handle.

825
00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:07,200
Speaker 4: I think the one thing about his game that you

826
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:09,600
Speaker 4: could look at in question would just be and how

827
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 4: could you not for a guy who's seven to five

828
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:15,600
Speaker 4: or maybe taller. He turned it over a lot he

829
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:16,400
Speaker 4: did on Monday.

830
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Speaker 2: I mean you can get physical with him for sure,

831
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:19,560
Speaker 2: right yeah.

832
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:22,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, the physicality and then just you know, Durant figured

833
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:26,040
Speaker 4: it out. He's seven foot not seventy five. But can

834
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:29,400
Speaker 4: can a guy dribble at a seven five heights and

835
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:32,279
Speaker 4: not get it swiped away all that often? But it's

836
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:36,400
Speaker 4: nitpicking on what's going to be. I think an extraordinary

837
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:38,360
Speaker 4: career for a player like we never really.

838
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:41,719
Speaker 1: Well and listen, I made the point on Tuesday. Pat

839
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:43,879
Speaker 1: Pat Boylin is our guest Java House Peel and poor

840
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:47,120
Speaker 1: guest line I made the point on Tuesday that it's

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Speaker 1: interesting you mentioned Rick Smitz because they you know, he

842
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:51,640
Speaker 1: was sitting down the way they introduced him. In my

843
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:54,400
Speaker 1: mind immediately raced to when Rick Smitz was a player,

844
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:59,320
Speaker 1: and that seven foot four, his ability in nineteen ninety

845
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:01,279
Speaker 1: eight to pop out and hit a ten to twelve

846
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:04,920
Speaker 1: footer was almost an anomaly, you know. That was to

847
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:09,000
Speaker 1: draw Patrick Ewing away from the low post was wow,

848
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:12,520
Speaker 1: this is really, you know, transcendent stuff the pacers are

849
00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:15,319
Speaker 1: doing here. And yet I'm looking at it and I'm

850
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:18,040
Speaker 1: going he would get three quarters the way down the

851
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:20,719
Speaker 1: floor by the time Webb and Miyama was putting the

852
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:21,120
Speaker 1: ball up.

853
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:21,719
Speaker 2: You know what I mean.

854
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:25,439
Speaker 1: I mean, it really is remarkable, just the evolution right

855
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:27,359
Speaker 1: in the way that the game has gone. All right,

856
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:30,680
Speaker 1: so let's go to the center position. I want to

857
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:34,120
Speaker 1: focus there. Pat you mentioned it with Isaiah Jackson. Between

858
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:37,720
Speaker 1: Isaiah Jackson obviously Jay Huff and as well James Wiseman.

859
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:41,640
Speaker 1: I I'm still waiting, and I know it's very early

860
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:45,040
Speaker 1: for one of these three to really separate themselves.

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00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:46,280
Speaker 2: Am I being too critical?

862
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:47,279
Speaker 9: No?

863
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:49,040
Speaker 4: I don't think you're being too critical. I think we're

864
00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:52,760
Speaker 4: all waiting, you know, for somebody to separate themselves. Albeit

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00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:54,880
Speaker 4: you know, you come into this with a couple of

866
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:56,920
Speaker 4: guys coming off of major injuries. So I think it's

867
00:48:56,920 --> 00:48:58,360
Speaker 4: more than fair to give them time to get their

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00:48:58,440 --> 00:48:59,200
Speaker 4: legs underneath them.

869
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:00,880
Speaker 8: It is only three season games.

870
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:03,719
Speaker 4: This is you know, perhaps the process that could take

871
00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:06,480
Speaker 4: a few weeks with guys coming off significant injury.

872
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:06,759
Speaker 3: You know.

873
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:10,560
Speaker 4: The frustrating thing for Isaiah Jackson's last year was he

874
00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:12,719
Speaker 4: spent a lot of time, you know, as kind of

875
00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:16,759
Speaker 4: the third string center and coming in and filling in

876
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:19,560
Speaker 4: spot minutes pretty nicely. I thought in the first couple

877
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:21,760
Speaker 4: of years of his career, and last year was supposed

878
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:24,560
Speaker 4: to be really the year that we saw what Isaiah

879
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:27,279
Speaker 4: Jackson could do in a regular rotation. Spotty played five

880
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:32,160
Speaker 4: games towards Achilles that never happened. I'm still fairly optimistic

881
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:36,040
Speaker 4: for him. I think it's two early three preseason games

882
00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:38,160
Speaker 4: in to say, you know, he doesn't look like the

883
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:40,200
Speaker 4: starting center of the Pacers need him to be. But

884
00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:42,560
Speaker 4: you know, at the end of the day, I'm not

885
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:46,480
Speaker 4: sure necessarily the Pacers need somebody who's gonna as from

886
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:49,720
Speaker 4: a starting center position come in and play thirty two minutes.

887
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:53,200
Speaker 4: You know, I can imagine a scenario where if Isaiah Jackson,

888
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:56,000
Speaker 4: you know, gets his gets his bounce underneath him and

889
00:49:56,120 --> 00:49:58,400
Speaker 4: kind of settles in. You know, are you getting twenty

890
00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:02,080
Speaker 4: to twenty five minutes from Jackson, maybe ten fifteen minutes

891
00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:05,359
Speaker 4: from Huff And then the other aspect at play here

892
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:07,160
Speaker 4: in dynamic at play here is I don't think the

893
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:08,719
Speaker 4: Pacers are going to have to have a center on

894
00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:10,399
Speaker 4: the floor for forty eight minutes. I think they can

895
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:13,000
Speaker 4: play small ball as Obe topping at the five, small

896
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:15,359
Speaker 4: ball at Pascal Siakam at the five. In fact, they

897
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:18,239
Speaker 4: did a lot of that fairly successfully in the playoffs.

898
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:20,279
Speaker 4: So I think we were talking on your show a

899
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:22,440
Speaker 4: couple of weeks ago. When you look at Miles Turner

900
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:26,319
Speaker 4: and Roy Hibbert, the Pacers for about seventeen years had

901
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:29,920
Speaker 4: remarkable consistency in terms of you knew what your starting

902
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:33,200
Speaker 4: center was going to be. For seventeen years, those guys

903
00:50:33,239 --> 00:50:36,040
Speaker 4: were the starting center for fifteen of them, and then

904
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:39,239
Speaker 4: each of them a portion of another season where they

905
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:41,759
Speaker 4: kind of platooned as the starting center. So this is

906
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:44,960
Speaker 4: really hunique territory for Pacers fans to go into a

907
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:47,880
Speaker 4: season and not be totally sure of who your starting

908
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:49,319
Speaker 4: center is going to be. And in fact, when you

909
00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:52,320
Speaker 4: talk about Rick Smith, there's not a huge gap between

910
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:55,520
Speaker 4: Rick Smith's days and Roy Hibbert's days. So the Pacers

911
00:50:55,560 --> 00:50:58,839
Speaker 4: have had remarkable consistency in that position. But I do

912
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:01,280
Speaker 4: think it's certainly something where you're still looking for somebody

913
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:04,080
Speaker 4: to separate themselves. And I think, you know, Rick Carlisle

914
00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:06,560
Speaker 4: goes into this with no preconceived notions about how it

915
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:09,240
Speaker 4: should look. If that's Jay up at that Seams Wiseman,

916
00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:12,520
Speaker 4: even Tony Brady. You know, I don't think they're afraid

917
00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:14,680
Speaker 4: to mix and match for combinations there.

918
00:51:14,719 --> 00:51:18,000
Speaker 1: Well, pat the thing to me that stands out, and

919
00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:20,840
Speaker 1: I have to keep resetting myself. I mean it's hard

920
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:24,360
Speaker 1: because you know, I think about the loss of Miles Turner,

921
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:26,279
Speaker 1: and we you know, at some point we're gonna have

922
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:27,920
Speaker 1: to quit talking about the loss of Myles Turner.

923
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:30,240
Speaker 2: I get that, right, but we're.

924
00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:34,560
Speaker 1: Still navigating through that and you almost forget that you're

925
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:38,480
Speaker 1: going into a season with no Tyrese Haliburton, So you're like, okay, there,

926
00:51:38,560 --> 00:51:42,600
Speaker 1: does that allows for some flexibility of figuring things out

927
00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:47,000
Speaker 1: in other areas? Perhaps, but Miles Turner to me, and

928
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:49,719
Speaker 1: I've made this point a lot on this show, he

929
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:53,280
Speaker 1: was such an important part in terms of offensively being

930
00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:56,480
Speaker 1: kind of the center post that the ball went through,

931
00:51:56,640 --> 00:51:59,280
Speaker 1: in terms of that kind of weave offense that they run,

932
00:51:59,840 --> 00:52:02,680
Speaker 1: and then being able to obviously pop out and hit

933
00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:06,279
Speaker 1: a three if need be. Do they look for a

934
00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:09,680
Speaker 1: player or hope for a player that can replicate that

935
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:13,439
Speaker 1: sort of style or does or do they say that's

936
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:16,840
Speaker 1: what made Miles Turner unique, and we cannot rest on

937
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:20,200
Speaker 1: trying to replicate that. We've got to reinvent the way

938
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:20,760
Speaker 1: we're playing.

939
00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:24,120
Speaker 4: I think it's probably a little bit of both. I

940
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:26,799
Speaker 4: think for this season it's probably more of the latter. Now,

941
00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:30,480
Speaker 4: you're always open to potential trade talks and conversations and

942
00:52:30,520 --> 00:52:32,120
Speaker 4: things that could work. I mean, we know that from

943
00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:36,160
Speaker 4: Kevin Pritchard's perspective, he's always been an aggressive president and

944
00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:39,719
Speaker 4: general manager in terms of looking for trades and that

945
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:42,759
Speaker 4: type of thing. But you know, I do think that

946
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:46,160
Speaker 4: skill set is maybe the closest to Jay Huff. I mean,

947
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:48,760
Speaker 4: he's a good perimeter player. I think he's a pretty

948
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:51,000
Speaker 4: good screen setter, which actually Miles is never a great

949
00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:53,520
Speaker 4: screen setter, but you're right, he was the fulcrum of

950
00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:56,840
Speaker 4: the offense in those kind of dribble handoffs and pitches

951
00:52:56,880 --> 00:52:59,760
Speaker 4: between Hyre's Halliburt and Andrew m Hard remain stay of the offense.

952
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:02,200
Speaker 4: Rick Carlisles talked about it a fair amount. You know,

953
00:53:02,239 --> 00:53:05,600
Speaker 4: there's an adjustment to the system around the players too.

954
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:09,360
Speaker 4: It's not just forcing these players into a rigid system

955
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:12,040
Speaker 4: and saying, Okay, well this works with Tyrese Halliburton and

956
00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:15,240
Speaker 4: Miles Turner, so we have to force it to work

957
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:19,200
Speaker 4: with Andrew Nemhard and Isaiah Jackson. That's not what's going

958
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:22,080
Speaker 4: to happen here. So there's tweets, there's adjustments, maybe even

959
00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:25,040
Speaker 4: some significant adjustments in that regard. You know, the flip

960
00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:27,840
Speaker 4: side of that is Miles Turner never played huge minutes.

961
00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:30,440
Speaker 4: He wasn't like a forty minutes per game guy, or

962
00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:32,319
Speaker 4: even a thirty five minute per game guy. So the

963
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:36,000
Speaker 4: Pacers got used to playing plenty of minutes, especially last

964
00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:38,560
Speaker 4: year with the rash of unfortunate injuries.

965
00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:39,360
Speaker 8: To Jackson and to Wiseman.

966
00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:42,640
Speaker 4: You know, they got used to playing plenty of minutes

967
00:53:42,640 --> 00:53:44,600
Speaker 4: per game without Miles Turner on the floor.

968
00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:45,680
Speaker 8: And still making it work.

969
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:48,120
Speaker 4: So you know, I think Jackson capable of that. I

970
00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:50,840
Speaker 4: think huff is capable of that. I haven't seen Wiseman

971
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:55,359
Speaker 4: enough to know. And Bradley that's not his game. But look,

972
00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:59,360
Speaker 4: Tony Bradley got some NBA Finals minutes and bring some

973
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:00,319
Speaker 4: positive to it.

974
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:02,040
Speaker 8: So you know, you've got four guys.

975
00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:04,600
Speaker 2: I think they love Tony Bradley.

976
00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:05,680
Speaker 1: Not to cut you off there, I think they love

977
00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:09,560
Speaker 1: Tony Bradley's rebounding physicality and that's I think Tony Bradley,

978
00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:12,719
Speaker 1: of those guys, is the one that is the most specified.

979
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:15,319
Speaker 1: But he does something differently than everybody else in the

980
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:17,920
Speaker 1: fact that he goes in and in there are games,

981
00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:20,280
Speaker 1: if there are games where they need to control glass,

982
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:22,919
Speaker 1: that is his role and he knows that's his role,

983
00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:25,320
Speaker 1: and it is go in there and get boards and

984
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:27,680
Speaker 1: d up right. I mean he he seems to me,

985
00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:31,719
Speaker 1: of the of those guys, to be the most quintessential

986
00:54:32,040 --> 00:54:35,279
Speaker 1: low block down here root player, would you agree with that,

987
00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:36,360
Speaker 1: no question.

988
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:38,120
Speaker 8: I mean what he is is defined.

989
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:40,160
Speaker 4: You know what Tony Bradley is, which is not the

990
00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:41,280
Speaker 4: guy that's going to step.

991
00:54:41,080 --> 00:54:42,640
Speaker 8: Out and hit a couple of threes per game.

992
00:54:43,160 --> 00:54:46,000
Speaker 4: But is those things that you just referenced, A good

993
00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:49,759
Speaker 4: rim protector, a good rebounder, And when you look at

994
00:54:49,760 --> 00:54:52,160
Speaker 4: this season coming up, when you don't have Tyry Caliburton,

995
00:54:52,600 --> 00:54:53,640
Speaker 4: you know Miles Turner is not.

996
00:54:53,600 --> 00:54:56,120
Speaker 8: Available to you anymore. Where are areas?

997
00:54:56,120 --> 00:54:58,719
Speaker 4: Okay, those are a couple of significant losses, sure, and

998
00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:01,480
Speaker 4: certainly in Halliburn's case, But where are areas maybe that

999
00:55:01,600 --> 00:55:05,799
Speaker 4: new players can find some advantages that maybe Halliburton and

1000
00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:09,200
Speaker 4: Turner can't, and specifically Turner here. Rick Carlisle has been

1001
00:55:09,239 --> 00:55:11,040
Speaker 4: quite optimistic that the Pacers are going to be a

1002
00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:13,839
Speaker 4: better rebounding team. And we know that Miles Turner. I

1003
00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:15,960
Speaker 4: was a big Miles Turner fan when he was here.

1004
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:17,719
Speaker 4: I thought he brought so much that he didn't always

1005
00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:21,800
Speaker 4: get credit for, but rebounding was always a problem spot

1006
00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:25,239
Speaker 4: for him. Well, I don't know if Tony Bradley is

1007
00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:25,680
Speaker 4: even going to.

1008
00:55:25,719 --> 00:55:26,440
Speaker 8: Make the roster.

1009
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:29,960
Speaker 4: I mean, it's a fascinating preseason in training camp because

1010
00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:32,840
Speaker 4: of that. You know, I can't remember when things felt

1011
00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:34,440
Speaker 4: this open and this fluid.

1012
00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:35,160
Speaker 8: At a couple of positions.

1013
00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:38,800
Speaker 4: But if Bradley makes this roster, I think part of

1014
00:55:38,840 --> 00:55:42,560
Speaker 4: the argument is, you know, he's a. He's a good rebounder,

1015
00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:46,080
Speaker 4: and this team feels like they can rebound better and probably,

1016
00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:48,480
Speaker 4: you know, to be Frank is going to need to

1017
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:50,880
Speaker 4: rebound better than they did last year to make up

1018
00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:52,600
Speaker 4: for some of the things that they lost. And and

1019
00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:55,320
Speaker 4: there's no question that Bradley's good there and he's solid,

1020
00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:58,200
Speaker 4: and you know what you're getting night in and night out, and.

1021
00:55:58,200 --> 00:56:00,319
Speaker 8: There's there's certain there's a certain.

1022
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:02,760
Speaker 10: Advantage to having a player like that, no question, Pat

1023
00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:05,480
Speaker 10: is it going to be tough for Indiana after this

1024
00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:08,680
Speaker 10: season because I think and I know it's early again,

1025
00:56:09,560 --> 00:56:11,920
Speaker 10: but clearly they are going to have offensive sets that

1026
00:56:11,960 --> 00:56:13,880
Speaker 10: are going to run through Benedict mather Now, I know

1027
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:16,520
Speaker 10: that Rick Carlisle has said that Matherin is at his

1028
00:56:16,680 --> 00:56:19,680
Speaker 10: best when he's kind of allowing offensive flow to dictate

1029
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:20,400
Speaker 10: his shots.

1030
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:24,040
Speaker 1: But he is going to be a centerpiece and perhaps

1031
00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:28,319
Speaker 1: even their leading scorer. I know Siakam obviously is a

1032
00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:31,680
Speaker 1: big part of that as well. But then to have

1033
00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:35,600
Speaker 1: to retweak that again once Halliburton comes back. How do

1034
00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:37,520
Speaker 1: you see that Yin and Yang playing out?

1035
00:56:38,600 --> 00:56:41,759
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think first and foremost you're hoping for the

1036
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:45,040
Speaker 4: type of season from Benedict Matherin that when Tyree Halliburton

1037
00:56:45,160 --> 00:56:48,719
Speaker 4: does come back, that you're saying, Okay, the development and

1038
00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:52,120
Speaker 4: growth that Matherin got in twenty five to twenty six

1039
00:56:52,640 --> 00:56:56,320
Speaker 4: without Tyree Halliburton was tough, but ultimately it perhaps led

1040
00:56:56,360 --> 00:56:58,920
Speaker 4: to a level of growth, but maybe he couldn't have

1041
00:56:58,920 --> 00:57:01,560
Speaker 4: gotten to otherwise. I mean, I think big picture here

1042
00:57:01,600 --> 00:57:03,440
Speaker 4: is I zoom out on your question a little bit.

1043
00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:06,319
Speaker 4: That's kind of my hope for this entire season. Look,

1044
00:57:06,320 --> 00:57:08,640
Speaker 4: I'm not putting any ceiling on what the team can accomplish,

1045
00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:09,840
Speaker 4: because if you would have done that each of the

1046
00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:11,080
Speaker 4: last two years.

1047
00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:11,840
Speaker 8: I don't think many.

1048
00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:14,360
Speaker 4: People tall what happened happened. So I'm not doing that.

1049
00:57:15,080 --> 00:57:17,080
Speaker 4: But I do think you look at the season and

1050
00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:19,360
Speaker 4: you say, Okay, if the Pacers in a few years

1051
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:22,640
Speaker 4: from now down the road can have the level of

1052
00:57:22,680 --> 00:57:25,840
Speaker 4: success that they're hoping to, maybe even win a championship,

1053
00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:28,040
Speaker 4: can they look back at the twenty five to twenty

1054
00:57:28,080 --> 00:57:30,840
Speaker 4: sixth season as a growth season.

1055
00:57:30,520 --> 00:57:31,560
Speaker 8: That helped lead to that.

1056
00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:35,440
Speaker 4: And when you take it from that premise, Benedict Matherin

1057
00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:37,880
Speaker 4: to me is the guy that jumps out the most

1058
00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:41,600
Speaker 4: in you know that concept, And I think I think

1059
00:57:41,640 --> 00:57:43,960
Speaker 4: it's a big year for him to figure those things

1060
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:48,040
Speaker 4: out at a higher level so that when Tyrese Halliburton

1061
00:57:48,080 --> 00:57:51,800
Speaker 4: comes back, it's not the adjustment that you know, if

1062
00:57:51,840 --> 00:57:55,280
Speaker 4: it might potentially be. I think if various he's improved upon.

1063
00:57:55,640 --> 00:57:58,680
Speaker 4: I think he's quicker from a decision making perspective, I

1064
00:57:58,720 --> 00:58:02,000
Speaker 4: think if it's processing and trending in the right direction.

1065
00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:04,360
Speaker 4: But I think he has a lot of growth there.

1066
00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:07,040
Speaker 4: And I think the two way game of his will

1067
00:58:07,080 --> 00:58:10,080
Speaker 4: be really important. Andrew Nemhard might not be able to

1068
00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:14,320
Speaker 4: defend the best player on the floor like he did

1069
00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:16,680
Speaker 4: this past year because they're going to need to ask

1070
00:58:16,720 --> 00:58:20,000
Speaker 4: him to do a lot more offensively. So benette' matherin

1071
00:58:20,240 --> 00:58:23,280
Speaker 4: then gets a much bigger spotlight on the defensive end potentially,

1072
00:58:23,360 --> 00:58:25,680
Speaker 4: you know, Aarony Smith obviously will play a significant role

1073
00:58:25,720 --> 00:58:28,080
Speaker 4: there too, And can he have the type of growth

1074
00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:32,400
Speaker 4: defensively and then from a decision making perspective and a

1075
00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:35,640
Speaker 4: ball movement perspective that makes the rest of his team work.

1076
00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:38,680
Speaker 4: I think it's a huge storyline here for twenty five

1077
00:58:38,680 --> 00:58:39,480
Speaker 4: to twenty six.

1078
00:58:39,280 --> 00:58:42,680
Speaker 1: You know, and it's interesting you mentioned the point and

1079
00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:45,320
Speaker 1: you know neim Hard and running the offense and defensively,

1080
00:58:45,400 --> 00:58:48,280
Speaker 1: and you know all the balance of that. TJ McConnell

1081
00:58:48,280 --> 00:58:50,040
Speaker 1: comes into play there in terms of being able to

1082
00:58:50,080 --> 00:58:52,920
Speaker 1: spell at that position as well. But I'm going to

1083
00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:55,960
Speaker 1: make a statement and then Pat Boyl, and I want

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00:58:56,000 --> 00:58:59,000
Speaker 1: you to critique for me how off base the statement is.

1085
00:58:59,000 --> 00:59:01,720
Speaker 1: Because I'm wrong about you know, eight percent of the

1086
00:59:01,760 --> 00:59:03,800
Speaker 1: time of things that I say. So I want you

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00:59:03,840 --> 00:59:06,760
Speaker 1: to tell me if I'm wrong here. Okay, TJ McConnell

1088
00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:11,640
Speaker 1: in coming off injury here in the preseason, you treat

1089
00:59:11,680 --> 00:59:14,280
Speaker 1: it with kid gloves and you take as much time

1090
00:59:14,320 --> 00:59:17,840
Speaker 1: as possible to get him back, partially because of the

1091
00:59:17,880 --> 00:59:21,320
Speaker 1: fact that it is a season that you can perhaps

1092
00:59:21,400 --> 00:59:24,000
Speaker 1: see what other players can do in that area, and

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00:59:24,160 --> 00:59:27,960
Speaker 1: also partially because he is such a critically important piece

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00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:32,600
Speaker 1: for them from an energy standpoint that because of his age,

1095
00:59:33,160 --> 00:59:35,440
Speaker 1: you want to wait and preserve some of that for

1096
00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:38,800
Speaker 1: when Halliburton comes out and not put too many miles

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00:59:38,800 --> 00:59:39,560
Speaker 1: on it this year.

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00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:40,920
Speaker 2: Your thoughts, I.

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Speaker 4: Think the general concept there is absolutely accurate. There's no

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00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:49,680
Speaker 4: reason to try to rush TJ McConnell back until he

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00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:52,840
Speaker 4: is one hundred percent and risk any sort of extra

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00:59:52,920 --> 00:59:55,480
Speaker 4: injury and that's never really been, you know, something that

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Speaker 4: the Pacers have done. They've almost always been cautious in

1104
00:59:58,040 --> 01:00:01,080
Speaker 4: these type of scenarios for that exact reason. I think

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01:00:01,080 --> 01:00:03,640
Speaker 4: the two reasons you bring up are potentially valid. And

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Speaker 4: the other one, you know, for this year is that

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Speaker 4: without Tyree Halliburton, when you lose another point guard like

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01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:13,040
Speaker 4: they currently have with TJ McConnell, he will not be

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01:00:13,080 --> 01:00:16,680
Speaker 4: available for the season opener. And the last we've heard

1110
01:00:16,680 --> 01:00:19,000
Speaker 4: from him was Rick Carlisle saying, you know, we'll talk

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01:00:19,040 --> 01:00:22,000
Speaker 4: again November ninths, because it was October ninth when he

1112
01:00:22,440 --> 01:00:24,360
Speaker 4: announced that he would be out for probably about a

1113
01:00:24,360 --> 01:00:26,400
Speaker 4: month and said we'll talk again November nine. So he's

1114
01:00:26,440 --> 01:00:30,600
Speaker 4: going to potentially miss, you know, upwards of ten games

1115
01:00:30,800 --> 01:00:34,760
Speaker 4: with this hamstring injury. And then you look at your

1116
01:00:34,800 --> 01:00:39,040
Speaker 4: point guard depth and maybe your strongest, deepest position is

1117
01:00:39,160 --> 01:00:42,040
Speaker 4: now potentially a little bit in peril. You've got Andrew

1118
01:00:42,120 --> 01:00:44,560
Speaker 4: nem Hart. It was as solid as they come. But

1119
01:00:44,680 --> 01:00:48,200
Speaker 4: after that you're looking at you know, Cameron Payne, who's

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Speaker 4: a NBA vet and been a point guard for a

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01:00:50,560 --> 01:00:53,240
Speaker 4: long time in this league, about ten years. You know,

1122
01:00:53,280 --> 01:00:56,320
Speaker 4: you've got Quinton Jackson, although he suffered a recent injury

1123
01:00:56,400 --> 01:00:56,640
Speaker 4: ray J.

1124
01:00:56,760 --> 01:00:57,240
Speaker 3: Dennis.

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01:00:57,440 --> 01:01:00,360
Speaker 4: You've got players in there who are potentially intrigued, maybe

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01:01:00,360 --> 01:01:03,360
Speaker 4: even a little bit of talent Peter. But that's, you know,

1127
01:01:03,440 --> 01:01:07,440
Speaker 4: from from an expectations perspective, that's very different than going

1128
01:01:08,120 --> 01:01:10,920
Speaker 4: from Tyreese Halliburton to Andrew nem Hart to TJ McConnell.

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01:01:10,960 --> 01:01:13,200
Speaker 4: So the other reason why I think that's accurate is

1130
01:01:13,240 --> 01:01:17,600
Speaker 4: because you can't risk pushing him back too early and

1131
01:01:17,640 --> 01:01:21,120
Speaker 4: then having him sustain a longer injury that keeps him

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Speaker 4: out this year. I think the Pacers from a depth

1133
01:01:23,640 --> 01:01:27,000
Speaker 4: and a point guard perspective are just fine, but if

1134
01:01:27,040 --> 01:01:29,760
Speaker 4: they start to suffer more injuries, I think the margin

1135
01:01:29,840 --> 01:01:32,880
Speaker 4: for error in terms of injuries is a lot less

1136
01:01:33,360 --> 01:01:36,600
Speaker 4: than it was last year. So you know, I was

1137
01:01:36,840 --> 01:01:39,000
Speaker 4: on a podcast yesterday and I said, if I could

1138
01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:42,920
Speaker 4: wave a magic wand and grant one Pacers player health

1139
01:01:43,000 --> 01:01:46,440
Speaker 4: this year, my question is undoubtedly androinem Hart because I

1140
01:01:46,440 --> 01:01:48,600
Speaker 4: think it's the most important player in terms of the

1141
01:01:48,640 --> 01:01:49,280
Speaker 4: position that.

1142
01:01:49,280 --> 01:01:50,400
Speaker 8: They need to be healthy.

1143
01:01:50,800 --> 01:01:53,200
Speaker 4: If they lose him, you know, then they're really in

1144
01:01:53,280 --> 01:01:57,040
Speaker 4: a challenging situation. Along those similar lines, you know, they're

1145
01:01:57,080 --> 01:01:59,400
Speaker 4: going to need TJ. McConnell to be healthy for a

1146
01:01:59,480 --> 01:02:02,360
Speaker 4: vast major of this season. So if he's not out

1147
01:02:02,360 --> 01:02:04,480
Speaker 4: there for the first handful of games, you figure it

1148
01:02:04,520 --> 01:02:06,240
Speaker 4: out in the meantime, but you get him back to

1149
01:02:06,280 --> 01:02:09,520
Speaker 4: one hundred percent because it's obvious how impactful and important

1150
01:02:09,560 --> 01:02:11,520
Speaker 4: he is on this team. We just saw it last year.

1151
01:02:11,640 --> 01:02:15,400
Speaker 1: Pat, most importantly Red Panda back this year, do we know?

1152
01:02:15,080 --> 01:02:19,520
Speaker 4: I thought I saw something that she is she's getting

1153
01:02:19,560 --> 01:02:20,600
Speaker 4: back into the flow of things.

1154
01:02:20,600 --> 01:02:21,840
Speaker 8: I think that answer is yes.

1155
01:02:21,960 --> 01:02:23,400
Speaker 2: Okay, well, we'll look forward to it.

1156
01:02:23,440 --> 01:02:26,680
Speaker 1: You know how I am with the halftime shows right likewise, Yeah,

1157
01:02:27,240 --> 01:02:30,880
Speaker 1: that's the gold standard with that question. All right, Pacers

1158
01:02:30,880 --> 01:02:33,800
Speaker 1: and Spurs. That is going to be tomorrow night, eight o'clock.

1159
01:02:33,880 --> 01:02:36,440
Speaker 1: You can hear that right here on this radio station,

1160
01:02:36,520 --> 01:02:38,720
Speaker 1: Pat Boyling, along with of course Mark Boyle and the

1161
01:02:38,760 --> 01:02:42,040
Speaker 1: Pacers Radio Network Eddie Gale also, I assume going to

1162
01:02:42,080 --> 01:02:44,480
Speaker 1: be on that broadcast tomorrow night, right Pat, Yes, sir,

1163
01:02:44,840 --> 01:02:47,320
Speaker 1: all right, we appreciate the time as always, Pat, have

1164
01:02:47,360 --> 01:02:48,720
Speaker 1: a good weekend and chirp, chirp, good.

1165
01:02:48,640 --> 01:02:49,400
Speaker 2: Luck to your cards.

1166
01:02:50,120 --> 01:02:50,640
Speaker 4: He thanks you.

1167
01:02:50,800 --> 01:02:52,480
Speaker 1: Good to talk to you, Pat Boyle and joining us

1168
01:02:52,520 --> 01:02:54,720
Speaker 1: on the progress. Speaking of this weekend. It is cults

1169
01:02:54,760 --> 01:02:57,720
Speaker 1: out in LA taking on the Chargers.

1170
01:02:58,200 --> 01:02:58,520
Speaker 2: Corborn.

1171
01:02:58,520 --> 01:03:00,920
Speaker 1: I don't know if you happen to have the like

1172
01:03:00,960 --> 01:03:02,760
Speaker 1: a little thing of peanuts or if you're going with

1173
01:03:02,800 --> 01:03:04,680
Speaker 1: the cookies, but we are going to go ahead and

1174
01:03:04,720 --> 01:03:06,560
Speaker 1: hop on a bird and take a road trip. Right,

1175
01:03:06,880 --> 01:03:08,560
Speaker 1: wouldn't be a road trip. If we're in a plane,

1176
01:03:08,560 --> 01:03:10,400
Speaker 1: it's a plane trip. But nonetheless, we're gonna go out

1177
01:03:10,440 --> 01:03:14,080
Speaker 1: to LA. We will get the Chargers viewpoint on things.

1178
01:03:14,120 --> 01:03:16,320
Speaker 1: We'll do it with the voice of the Chargers, and

1179
01:03:16,360 --> 01:03:19,800
Speaker 1: we'll do it next. We'll be taking the road trip

1180
01:03:19,800 --> 01:03:22,120
Speaker 1: about to Los Angeles coming up just a couple of

1181
01:03:22,160 --> 01:03:26,120
Speaker 1: minutes from now. Matt money Smith is the radio play

1182
01:03:26,120 --> 01:03:29,560
Speaker 1: by play voice of the LA Chargers, and we'll get

1183
01:03:29,600 --> 01:03:34,320
Speaker 1: a preview of their health standpoint in addition to just

1184
01:03:34,560 --> 01:03:38,000
Speaker 1: overall strengths and weaknesses of the Chargers as the Colts

1185
01:03:38,000 --> 01:03:41,160
Speaker 1: get set to take on one of the better teams

1186
01:03:41,200 --> 01:03:43,840
Speaker 1: in the AFC. Another good test and one that, as

1187
01:03:43,880 --> 01:03:45,440
Speaker 1: I'd mentioned at the beginning of the year, you looked

1188
01:03:45,440 --> 01:03:47,800
Speaker 1: at and probably thought it was a daunting task. Now

1189
01:03:47,880 --> 01:03:52,200
Speaker 1: perhaps the Chargers seeing that of Indianapolis. We'll check in

1190
01:03:52,440 --> 01:03:55,560
Speaker 1: just a couple of minutes from now when we board. Hey, Jake,

1191
01:03:55,920 --> 01:03:59,360
Speaker 1: this from the text line in your view, this comes

1192
01:03:59,400 --> 01:04:02,520
Speaker 1: from Jacob, not me, but a different guy named Jake.

1193
01:04:03,040 --> 01:04:05,000
Speaker 1: Do you think the Pacers revived a once dead way

1194
01:04:05,000 --> 01:04:08,080
Speaker 1: to play basketball? It seems these days it's so individualized.

1195
01:04:08,080 --> 01:04:10,840
Speaker 1: Everyone is so worried about getting theirs and not enough

1196
01:04:10,880 --> 01:04:13,919
Speaker 1: about every player on the team. I do think the

1197
01:04:13,960 --> 01:04:19,160
Speaker 1: pace in which the Pacers played last year definitely kind

1198
01:04:19,160 --> 01:04:21,240
Speaker 1: of turned the NBA on its ear. Now in terms

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01:04:21,240 --> 01:04:25,120
Speaker 1: of positionless basketball, there was less isolation with the Pacers,

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01:04:25,120 --> 01:04:28,240
Speaker 1: and what was interesting to me was once they acquired

1201
01:04:28,280 --> 01:04:32,480
Speaker 1: Pascal Siakam. You know, I had concern at that point

1202
01:04:32,480 --> 01:04:35,840
Speaker 1: that Siakam would be too much like just the ball

1203
01:04:35,920 --> 01:04:39,680
Speaker 1: slowing down on the block because he is an isolation

1204
01:04:39,880 --> 01:04:43,840
Speaker 1: type player. But they were able to, really I thought,

1205
01:04:44,000 --> 01:04:47,560
Speaker 1: kind of masterfully balance that with moving the ball around.

1206
01:04:47,720 --> 01:04:51,560
Speaker 1: The answer, Jake, to your question, I believe is yes,

1207
01:04:51,640 --> 01:04:54,400
Speaker 1: I think the rest of the NBA, in terms of

1208
01:04:54,920 --> 01:04:58,320
Speaker 1: the pace of ball movement, because the NBA, to your

1209
01:04:58,400 --> 01:05:05,320
Speaker 1: point of individualized, became so dependent upon player isolation, and

1210
01:05:05,480 --> 01:05:08,240
Speaker 1: really the Pacers only have one guy that plays within

1211
01:05:08,400 --> 01:05:12,080
Speaker 1: that style, and so as a result of that. I

1212
01:05:12,120 --> 01:05:14,520
Speaker 1: do think the Pacers and the rest of the league

1213
01:05:14,520 --> 01:05:16,160
Speaker 1: will look at the way they played the pace and

1214
01:05:16,240 --> 01:05:19,760
Speaker 1: the ball movement. I mean, I go back to their offense.

1215
01:05:21,440 --> 01:05:24,600
Speaker 1: It's like that Butler used to kind of run a

1216
01:05:24,720 --> 01:05:28,040
Speaker 1: similar thing, like a high weave, where they would kind

1217
01:05:28,040 --> 01:05:32,400
Speaker 1: of mix the ball around and.

1218
01:05:31,040 --> 01:05:34,240
Speaker 2: Get things going and space things out.

1219
01:05:34,440 --> 01:05:38,800
Speaker 1: And yeah, I think it's entirely possible that that is

1220
01:05:38,840 --> 01:05:41,080
Speaker 1: something that you'll start to see more of within the NBA.

1221
01:05:41,160 --> 01:05:47,000
Speaker 1: Copycat league. All leagues are. All leagues are a copycat league. Hey, Jake,

1222
01:05:47,080 --> 01:05:51,120
Speaker 1: quit talking about Anthony Richardson. You told your Magnet story

1223
01:05:51,160 --> 01:05:52,840
Speaker 1: like four days in a row. It was an accident

1224
01:05:52,880 --> 01:05:56,000
Speaker 1: with bad equipment. It sucks that it happened. He is

1225
01:05:56,080 --> 01:05:58,280
Speaker 1: here at least until his contract is up, which is

1226
01:05:58,320 --> 01:06:00,680
Speaker 1: at the end of next season. Maybe he walks. Then

1227
01:06:02,200 --> 01:06:03,960
Speaker 1: I look at it now that he is, like he's

1228
01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:05,760
Speaker 1: a senior in college, and I'm really glad the Colts

1229
01:06:05,800 --> 01:06:09,480
Speaker 1: signed Daniel Jones. All of that's fair, totally fair. This

1230
01:06:09,520 --> 01:06:12,960
Speaker 1: I disagree with. Anthony Richardson is still the Colts future.

1231
01:06:13,880 --> 01:06:18,400
Speaker 1: I totally disagree with that, completely disagree with the Colt's

1232
01:06:18,440 --> 01:06:25,840
Speaker 1: future part. We're having some technical difficulties in terms of

1233
01:06:25,960 --> 01:06:29,680
Speaker 1: connecting with Matt money Smith. So we will try to

1234
01:06:29,680 --> 01:06:33,040
Speaker 1: do that shortly here and talk with the voice of

1235
01:06:33,080 --> 01:06:33,560
Speaker 1: the Rams.

1236
01:06:34,160 --> 01:06:34,600
Speaker 5: But the.

1237
01:06:36,200 --> 01:06:38,160
Speaker 2: You know is Richardson the future.

1238
01:06:39,600 --> 01:06:41,840
Speaker 1: We went over that earlier and I realized at this point,

1239
01:06:41,960 --> 01:06:44,960
Speaker 1: I think that handwriting's on the wall. I think at

1240
01:06:44,960 --> 01:06:51,640
Speaker 1: this point all you have to do is essentially listen

1241
01:06:51,760 --> 01:06:57,680
Speaker 1: to Shane Steichen because he preaches the same thing over

1242
01:06:57,720 --> 01:07:01,280
Speaker 1: and over, and it's almost like each time Shane's tyken

1243
01:07:01,480 --> 01:07:09,440
Speaker 1: is asked, he is re emphasizing and revalidating his decision

1244
01:07:10,440 --> 01:07:14,880
Speaker 1: to have gone away from Anthony Richardson and go with

1245
01:07:15,000 --> 01:07:19,160
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones. Now, Corbyn, did you say that we're still

1246
01:07:19,200 --> 01:07:20,720
Speaker 1: having some technical difficulties.

1247
01:07:21,040 --> 01:07:23,360
Speaker 3: Yes, we are, okay.

1248
01:07:23,960 --> 01:07:27,840
Speaker 1: And so at two nine, ten seventy I was going

1249
01:07:27,920 --> 01:07:30,240
Speaker 1: because I told here's the thing. I'm convinced of this.

1250
01:07:30,280 --> 01:07:32,400
Speaker 1: I'd like for the world to know I'm convinced of this.

1251
01:07:32,520 --> 01:07:35,160
Speaker 1: I said today was going to be because last night

1252
01:07:37,160 --> 01:07:39,400
Speaker 1: I was up till the wee hours. I'm staring at

1253
01:07:39,400 --> 01:07:41,160
Speaker 1: the ceiling at three forty eight in the morning thinking

1254
01:07:41,160 --> 01:07:44,480
Speaker 1: to myself, Okay, if I fall asleep right now, then

1255
01:07:44,520 --> 01:07:46,920
Speaker 1: I can get you. If you're an insomniac, you know

1256
01:07:46,960 --> 01:07:49,800
Speaker 1: what I'm talking about. You start racing the clock, You

1257
01:07:49,840 --> 01:07:53,120
Speaker 1: start staring at the clock, and you are thinking to

1258
01:07:53,120 --> 01:07:56,000
Speaker 1: yourself like, Okay, now I haven't fall asleep yet, but

1259
01:07:56,000 --> 01:07:57,720
Speaker 1: if I fall, I'll get three hours if I follow

1260
01:07:57,720 --> 01:08:03,240
Speaker 1: asleep starting right now. Okay, two and a half hours

1261
01:08:03,240 --> 01:08:05,919
Speaker 1: if you do this all night, right well, last night,

1262
01:08:07,160 --> 01:08:11,800
Speaker 1: I'm laying there and I'm just going through in my

1263
01:08:12,000 --> 01:08:19,280
Speaker 1: mind the literally the joys and celebration. Every time I

1264
01:08:19,320 --> 01:08:21,840
Speaker 1: start to doze off, I get hit with this jolt

1265
01:08:21,840 --> 01:08:29,360
Speaker 1: of energy, this little burst of euphoria of reliving the

1266
01:08:29,439 --> 01:08:33,920
Speaker 1: glorious night that was my Toronto Blue Jays, the brain

1267
01:08:34,000 --> 01:08:39,280
Speaker 1: droppings happening all night, and the Toronto Blue Jays. I mean,

1268
01:08:39,320 --> 01:08:42,520
Speaker 1: I've been a diehard fan now for almost seven weeks,

1269
01:08:43,080 --> 01:08:47,240
Speaker 1: and I'm all in and Alejandro Kirk comes up and

1270
01:08:47,320 --> 01:08:49,920
Speaker 1: hits a home run and he's running around the bases

1271
01:08:49,960 --> 01:08:52,080
Speaker 1: and that alone is a joy to watch. And it

1272
01:08:52,240 --> 01:08:56,519
Speaker 1: just was NonStop, right So I'm thinking. I'm sitting there

1273
01:08:56,560 --> 01:08:58,880
Speaker 1: and I'm thinking to myself, I'm like, you know, I'm

1274
01:08:58,920 --> 01:09:03,760
Speaker 1: really fascinated by this Indiana football story, and I'm intrigued

1275
01:09:03,760 --> 01:09:08,439
Speaker 1: by the Pacers taking on San Antonio tomorrow night in

1276
01:09:08,560 --> 01:09:17,920
Speaker 1: San Antonio, and I am fascinated as well by the

1277
01:09:17,960 --> 01:09:22,559
Speaker 1: Colts and Daniel Jones and the way he's playing and

1278
01:09:22,760 --> 01:09:28,799
Speaker 1: this literally, and we'll never know whether Jones was signed

1279
01:09:28,880 --> 01:09:31,519
Speaker 1: because they really thought this was going to happen, or

1280
01:09:31,560 --> 01:09:34,160
Speaker 1: simply because they thought it was in their best interest

1281
01:09:34,560 --> 01:09:37,000
Speaker 1: to protect themselves from Anthony Richardsony.

1282
01:09:37,120 --> 01:09:38,360
Speaker 2: I don't know, or push him.

1283
01:09:38,200 --> 01:09:41,800
Speaker 1: Whatever, but he's playing well, He's playing at a darn

1284
01:09:41,880 --> 01:09:47,120
Speaker 1: near MVP level. And through all of that, I'm thinking, Okay,

1285
01:09:47,280 --> 01:09:51,479
Speaker 1: now it's it's four to two, and if I fall

1286
01:09:51,479 --> 01:09:55,840
Speaker 1: asleep right now, I'll get and finally, then I eventually

1287
01:09:55,840 --> 01:09:58,400
Speaker 1: start to punt. Okay, and I go and I'm watching

1288
01:09:58,479 --> 01:10:03,320
Speaker 1: this cocaine quarter back documentary on Prime or one of these,

1289
01:10:03,520 --> 01:10:07,680
Speaker 1: about a volleyball player at USC that then became like

1290
01:10:07,720 --> 01:10:11,519
Speaker 1: a steroid dealer. And then next thing I know, he's

1291
01:10:11,560 --> 01:10:14,639
Speaker 1: basically two to from blow and he's just like running

1292
01:10:14,680 --> 01:10:18,400
Speaker 1: around and he's the wild Wild West in the Pete

1293
01:10:18,479 --> 01:10:23,880
Speaker 1: Carroll USC football era. So as I'm watching that, and

1294
01:10:23,880 --> 01:10:25,360
Speaker 1: I'm thinking to myself, Okay, now if I go to

1295
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Speaker 1: bed now, i'll get two hours and then I thought, well,

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01:10:27,400 --> 01:10:31,840
Speaker 1: I'll just do an interactive Thursday. Now that's not to

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01:10:31,880 --> 01:10:33,920
Speaker 1: say it's a bailout when you do sports talk radio,

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01:10:33,960 --> 01:10:36,679
Speaker 1: of like, maybe I should, but I get it. People

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01:10:36,720 --> 01:10:39,400
Speaker 1: want to hear less of me. I totally get it.

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01:10:39,520 --> 01:10:42,760
Speaker 1: More of you, less of me, I get it. But

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01:10:42,920 --> 01:10:49,880
Speaker 1: I feel almost like it's Anthony Richardson, brace yourself here,

1302
01:10:50,240 --> 01:10:55,000
Speaker 1: a magnet to the bazaar, because on an interactive Thursday,

1303
01:10:55,560 --> 01:10:58,280
Speaker 1: then we have and I get it, it happens, not

1304
01:10:58,320 --> 01:11:04,080
Speaker 1: a big deal technical difficulties, but we can't interact. So

1305
01:11:04,479 --> 01:11:10,920
Speaker 1: that's the one challenge, right, that's certainly the one challenge.

1306
01:11:11,080 --> 01:11:13,720
Speaker 1: But we'll work it out and we will see what

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01:11:13,800 --> 01:11:16,639
Speaker 1: does happen. The most intriguing story in the NFL not

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01:11:16,720 --> 01:11:18,960
Speaker 1: named Indianapolis when you look at it right now, the

1309
01:11:18,960 --> 01:11:21,920
Speaker 1: fact that in two thousand and eight the NFL standings

1310
01:11:22,040 --> 01:11:28,760
Speaker 1: essentially reflected exactly what we see currently almost exactly New England, Indianapolis,

1311
01:11:29,560 --> 01:11:35,040
Speaker 1: the Chargers, and as well Pittsburgh. Those were your divisional leaders,

1312
01:11:35,120 --> 01:11:37,040
Speaker 1: like on this week back in two thousand and eight,

1313
01:11:37,560 --> 01:11:40,240
Speaker 1: and it is you know, history repeats itself, right, But

1314
01:11:40,280 --> 01:11:45,799
Speaker 1: there are other things that are that raise your eyebrow

1315
01:11:45,840 --> 01:11:51,320
Speaker 1: A little bit like, for example, who's the next coach

1316
01:11:51,360 --> 01:11:56,280
Speaker 1: to be fired? One would think, And I thought they

1317
01:11:56,320 --> 01:11:59,960
Speaker 1: went a little early on Callahan and Tennessee. Notably because

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01:12:00,240 --> 01:12:02,479
Speaker 1: and it's good news, I guess for the Colts, but

1319
01:12:02,680 --> 01:12:05,120
Speaker 1: notably because the.

1320
01:12:08,240 --> 01:12:10,519
Speaker 2: When you get a young quarterback.

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01:12:11,760 --> 01:12:12,240
Speaker 11: One of the.

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Speaker 1: Underrated things that happened in this town. And I love

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01:12:20,360 --> 01:12:26,439
Speaker 1: Chuck Pegano, love him, and Chuck Pegano is a heck

1324
01:12:26,479 --> 01:12:31,240
Speaker 1: of a man and a good football coach, but he

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01:12:31,479 --> 01:12:36,840
Speaker 1: was and I think that we oftentimes forget this. Chuck

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01:12:36,880 --> 01:12:44,639
Speaker 1: Pegana was a rookie coach. Andrew Luck comes in and

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01:12:46,120 --> 01:12:50,719
Speaker 1: you have everything starting from scratch, right and very early

1328
01:12:50,840 --> 01:12:53,080
Speaker 1: in the tenure of Andrew Luck. And I'm not saying

1329
01:12:53,120 --> 01:12:57,360
Speaker 1: Andrew Luck was a different cat. Andrew Luck was wired differently.

1330
01:12:57,479 --> 01:13:02,080
Speaker 1: Andrew Luck was built differently. Andrew Luck was everything intellectually, differently, physical,

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01:13:02,160 --> 01:13:06,040
Speaker 1: all of it. Andrew Luck was a different cat. And

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01:13:08,560 --> 01:13:10,880
Speaker 1: when Andrew Luck, no matter where he was going to go,

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01:13:11,160 --> 01:13:16,240
Speaker 1: Andrew Luck could have gone into literally an expansion franchise

1334
01:13:16,600 --> 01:13:18,840
Speaker 1: that had nothing to be to work and he would

1335
01:13:18,840 --> 01:13:23,479
Speaker 1: have been okay because he just was different. But even

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01:13:23,600 --> 01:13:27,559
Speaker 1: with that, you still with a rookie quarterback want to

1337
01:13:27,600 --> 01:13:32,599
Speaker 1: put everything around him to build up and give them

1338
01:13:32,720 --> 01:13:36,240
Speaker 1: the right footing and get them going in the right direction.

1339
01:13:36,680 --> 01:13:41,759
Speaker 1: And when you look, for example, at Anthony Richardson, Anthony

1340
01:13:41,840 --> 01:13:44,080
Speaker 1: Richardson had a lot of growth to do and had

1341
01:13:44,120 --> 01:13:47,200
Speaker 1: a lot of development to be had, but he never

1342
01:13:47,320 --> 01:13:51,479
Speaker 1: got you could make the argument the right footing around

1343
01:13:51,560 --> 01:13:55,439
Speaker 1: him initially here and it's just kind of been up

1344
01:13:55,479 --> 01:14:03,800
Speaker 1: and down since cam Ward in Nashville, Trevor Lawrence in Jacksonville,

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01:14:04,040 --> 01:14:06,439
Speaker 1: when Andrew Luck came here, what we forget and what

1346
01:14:06,760 --> 01:14:10,000
Speaker 1: is a little bit uncomfortable to mention, but its reality

1347
01:14:10,439 --> 01:14:15,200
Speaker 1: is that when he started out here, Chuck Peganto got ill.

1348
01:14:15,520 --> 01:14:19,839
Speaker 1: Thank goodness, and thank not only for his health standpoint

1349
01:14:19,920 --> 01:14:22,680
Speaker 1: Chuck Pegano, but also the fabulous work that he has

1350
01:14:22,760 --> 01:14:26,600
Speaker 1: done to impact, effect and inspire other people who have

1351
01:14:26,640 --> 01:14:30,519
Speaker 1: gone through the same leukemia journey that he did. But

1352
01:14:31,439 --> 01:14:34,879
Speaker 1: when that happened, it meant that now Andrew Luck suddenly

1353
01:14:35,240 --> 01:14:39,400
Speaker 1: has as his head coach Bruce Arians, who had been

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01:14:39,680 --> 01:14:43,240
Speaker 1: a quarterback whisper, who had been a coach around the

1355
01:14:43,280 --> 01:14:45,920
Speaker 1: league for a long time, who had been a head coach.

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Speaker 1: Actually I can't recall at that point if he'd been

1357
01:14:48,600 --> 01:14:51,320
Speaker 1: a head coach yet but was grooming to become one

1358
01:14:51,360 --> 01:14:54,160
Speaker 1: for certain, But it had been Peyton Manning's first quarterback coach,

1359
01:14:54,320 --> 01:14:58,439
Speaker 1: Bruce Arians, who had been around and just had this

1360
01:14:58,960 --> 01:15:04,519
Speaker 1: overall confidence about him and everything. Every ball that year

1361
01:15:04,640 --> 01:15:07,160
Speaker 1: bounced the way of the Colts, and it gave Andrew

1362
01:15:07,240 --> 01:15:10,840
Speaker 1: luck foundation. And if you look at cam Ward and

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Speaker 1: I say this only because they're in the Colts Division,

1364
01:15:13,680 --> 01:15:16,519
Speaker 1: and the Colts now not once but twice perhaps have

1365
01:15:16,720 --> 01:15:21,479
Speaker 1: dodged bullets in terms of being able to get out

1366
01:15:21,520 --> 01:15:24,320
Speaker 1: of the way of a team that has a number

1367
01:15:24,360 --> 01:15:28,160
Speaker 1: one overall pick prospect. And cam wod may turn out

1368
01:15:28,160 --> 01:15:32,680
Speaker 1: to be a fabulous player. But Trevor Lawrence in Jacksonville,

1369
01:15:33,520 --> 01:15:37,120
Speaker 1: most people, myself included, thought for certain, this was the

1370
01:15:37,160 --> 01:15:40,720
Speaker 1: second coming of Peyton Manning. And he had every single thing.

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01:15:40,720 --> 01:15:43,880
Speaker 1: He had size, he had touch, he had range, he

1372
01:15:43,960 --> 01:15:46,800
Speaker 1: had mobility, he had legs, he had speed.

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Speaker 3: All of it.

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Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence and he comes out of college, he goes

1375
01:15:49,600 --> 01:15:51,959
Speaker 1: to Jacksonville and it's a total disaster.

1376
01:15:52,200 --> 01:15:54,200
Speaker 2: You've got urban Meyer, You've got this.

1377
01:15:54,600 --> 01:15:57,040
Speaker 1: You know, he's staying back and he's not getting on

1378
01:15:57,080 --> 01:16:01,280
Speaker 1: the plane and all kinds of stuff, right, and just

1379
01:16:01,320 --> 01:16:04,240
Speaker 1: a disaster and Trevor Lawrence. It never got going and

1380
01:16:04,439 --> 01:16:08,320
Speaker 1: still still Jacksonville is paying the price for that. So

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01:16:08,479 --> 01:16:11,880
Speaker 1: cam Ward comes in now as a rookie and through

1382
01:16:13,160 --> 01:16:17,559
Speaker 1: six games he's already got a coaching change. I was

1383
01:16:17,640 --> 01:16:21,880
Speaker 1: stunned that Tennessee did that this early. There are other

1384
01:16:22,000 --> 01:16:27,040
Speaker 1: coaches that you look at and you say, okay, like Miami,

1385
01:16:28,280 --> 01:16:32,200
Speaker 1: and again I realize it's all cyclical. I realize that

1386
01:16:32,400 --> 01:16:35,320
Speaker 1: it's one of those things that you're like, you know,

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01:16:36,280 --> 01:16:39,439
Speaker 1: two years ago, Mike McDaniel was this genius, he was

1388
01:16:39,479 --> 01:16:43,439
Speaker 1: this boy wonder right, he was Nate from Ted Lasso,

1389
01:16:44,560 --> 01:16:48,439
Speaker 1: And now he's sitting there and he's struggling to hang on,

1390
01:16:48,760 --> 01:16:52,800
Speaker 1: and it seems almost a certainty. Literally, the biggest race

1391
01:16:52,880 --> 01:16:55,360
Speaker 1: right now is not just Miami and the Jets to

1392
01:16:55,400 --> 01:16:58,640
Speaker 1: see which one finishes last in the AFC East, but

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01:16:58,720 --> 01:17:00,559
Speaker 1: also which one's going to be looking for a new

1394
01:17:00,600 --> 01:17:06,760
Speaker 1: coach first. The Jets have been terrible. I'm not saying

1395
01:17:06,760 --> 01:17:09,320
Speaker 1: they have a lot of talent, but they look completely

1396
01:17:09,439 --> 01:17:15,880
Speaker 1: unorganized and sloppy, and those are that's probably right now

1397
01:17:15,920 --> 01:17:19,320
Speaker 1: outside of Indianapolis. The biggest question mark in terms of

1398
01:17:19,360 --> 01:17:23,080
Speaker 1: what happens moving forward in the NFL, of which one's

1399
01:17:23,120 --> 01:17:25,400
Speaker 1: next looking for a coach? Which ones is it going

1400
01:17:25,439 --> 01:17:30,320
Speaker 1: to be. We'll try to get back with Matt Smith,

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01:17:30,360 --> 01:17:33,080
Speaker 1: by the way, get the Charger standpoint of things. Right now,

1402
01:17:33,280 --> 01:17:35,880
Speaker 1: the plane's still at the gate. That much we know

1403
01:17:36,120 --> 01:17:38,599
Speaker 1: planes at the gate. They're not de icing, but they've

1404
01:17:38,640 --> 01:17:40,280
Speaker 1: just called out. They've got to maintenance, got to take

1405
01:17:40,280 --> 01:17:42,000
Speaker 1: a quick look at something, and then we'll get it

1406
01:17:42,000 --> 01:17:45,880
Speaker 1: back going. But back into the NBA, we do it next.

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01:17:51,920 --> 01:17:54,040
Speaker 1: Did I say Matt Smith is the voice of the Rams.

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01:17:55,439 --> 01:17:58,720
Speaker 1: I will confuse that ten thousand times. Admittedly, Rams and

1409
01:17:58,800 --> 01:18:02,360
Speaker 1: Chargers obviously know he's the voice of the Chargers. But

1410
01:18:02,360 --> 01:18:04,240
Speaker 1: when I think LA, I still think RAM.

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01:18:04,520 --> 01:18:05,000
Speaker 2: Now I don't.

1412
01:18:05,200 --> 01:18:07,880
Speaker 1: It's weird because I don't think San Diego Chargers per se.

1413
01:18:08,880 --> 01:18:11,320
Speaker 1: But when I think La, Rams is the first thing

1414
01:18:11,360 --> 01:18:14,400
Speaker 1: that comes to mind right off the top of my head.

1415
01:18:15,439 --> 01:18:17,320
Speaker 1: I mean, they both are blue and yellow, they both

1416
01:18:17,360 --> 01:18:19,439
Speaker 1: got the yellow thing going across the helmet, they're both

1417
01:18:19,479 --> 01:18:21,240
Speaker 1: in LA, and now they play in the same stadium.

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01:18:21,920 --> 01:18:25,840
Speaker 1: I'll get this confused until the end of time. I'm

1419
01:18:25,880 --> 01:18:28,679
Speaker 1: going to be completely screwed when I'm older and I'm

1420
01:18:28,680 --> 01:18:30,840
Speaker 1: having like some sort of cognitive issue and they're giving

1421
01:18:30,840 --> 01:18:32,840
Speaker 1: me some sort of cognitive exam and they're like, well,

1422
01:18:32,880 --> 01:18:34,920
Speaker 1: just ask him the simple question of which team plays

1423
01:18:34,920 --> 01:18:35,360
Speaker 1: in LA.

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01:18:35,520 --> 01:18:37,680
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, man, which one? And I'm going to

1425
01:18:37,720 --> 01:18:38,160
Speaker 2: confuse it.

1426
01:18:38,200 --> 01:18:40,080
Speaker 1: I'm going to be completely like as I was at

1427
01:18:40,080 --> 01:18:42,519
Speaker 1: fifty three, but I'm going to confuse it, no.

1428
01:18:42,600 --> 01:18:43,320
Speaker 2: Question about it.

1429
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Speaker 1: Pacers in Action tonight tomorrow night, or excuse me, Pacers

1430
01:18:46,680 --> 01:18:47,680
Speaker 1: and Action tomorrow night.

1431
01:18:48,920 --> 01:18:52,120
Speaker 2: Uh. Taking on the Spurs down in San Antonio.

1432
01:18:52,800 --> 01:18:55,840
Speaker 11: And the.

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Speaker 2: Thing that's.

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Speaker 1: Interesting to watch because it's preseason and I've never really

1435
01:19:03,920 --> 01:19:08,000
Speaker 1: gotten much into preseason, but this year there is just

1436
01:19:08,080 --> 01:19:13,320
Speaker 1: so much question about what they do roster wise and furthermore,

1437
01:19:13,320 --> 01:19:20,400
Speaker 1: what they do stylistically. And you know, they've had already,

1438
01:19:22,400 --> 01:19:24,679
Speaker 1: I think a couple of players that you look at

1439
01:19:25,040 --> 01:19:29,200
Speaker 1: and it's very easy. Taylan Peter by the way, you know,

1440
01:19:29,280 --> 01:19:34,120
Speaker 1: they're he has a Ben Shephard type feel about him.

1441
01:19:34,200 --> 01:19:36,920
Speaker 1: Their draft pick from this year. And I don't mean

1442
01:19:38,840 --> 01:19:42,080
Speaker 1: that in the fact because they both came from, you know,

1443
01:19:42,160 --> 01:19:46,040
Speaker 1: a smaller school and they are guys that got a

1444
01:19:46,040 --> 01:19:48,400
Speaker 1: little bit overlooked and have the ability to hit an

1445
01:19:48,400 --> 01:19:51,479
Speaker 1: open shot or a knockdown three if left open, and

1446
01:19:51,600 --> 01:19:54,800
Speaker 1: yet they also can defend a rebound. And you know

1447
01:19:54,880 --> 01:19:57,080
Speaker 1: Cam Jones, we haven't seen yet who was their first

1448
01:19:57,080 --> 01:20:00,160
Speaker 1: pick this year in the draft because of injury. But

1449
01:20:01,840 --> 01:20:05,479
Speaker 1: Peter I think has played. He looks like a Ben

1450
01:20:05,560 --> 01:20:09,000
Speaker 1: Shepherd player in terms of and this might be the

1451
01:20:09,040 --> 01:20:15,040
Speaker 1: same situation that took place with Jerfs Walker and Ben Shephard.

1452
01:20:15,600 --> 01:20:19,160
Speaker 1: You know Ben Shephard when those two came in, just

1453
01:20:19,360 --> 01:20:24,120
Speaker 1: based on rotation and other such things, Ben Shephard was

1454
01:20:24,240 --> 01:20:29,439
Speaker 1: getting minutes before Jerris Walker, and I think it was

1455
01:20:29,479 --> 01:20:32,800
Speaker 1: hard for Jeris Walker. I think it was hard for

1456
01:20:32,880 --> 01:20:36,959
Speaker 1: Jeris Walker to rotate in and to see those minutes

1457
01:20:37,120 --> 01:20:39,400
Speaker 1: be taken by Ben Sheppard. But we'll see what happens

1458
01:20:39,439 --> 01:20:42,479
Speaker 1: with Cam Jones now and Talon Peter, did you say

1459
01:20:42,479 --> 01:20:43,360
Speaker 1: we have Matt Corman?

1460
01:20:43,439 --> 01:20:44,080
Speaker 2: Is that what you said?

1461
01:20:44,280 --> 01:20:46,559
Speaker 1: Yes, we do, joining us now on the Joba House

1462
01:20:46,560 --> 01:20:49,760
Speaker 1: Peel and poor guest Line and his patients is greatly appreciated.

1463
01:20:50,680 --> 01:20:53,600
Speaker 1: Matt Smith is the radio play by play voice of

1464
01:20:53,640 --> 01:20:57,840
Speaker 1: the Los Angeles Chargers, and I made specific notes to

1465
01:20:57,840 --> 01:20:59,720
Speaker 1: say Chargers there because I still have that block with

1466
01:21:00,040 --> 01:21:00,759
Speaker 1: Argers and Rams.

1467
01:21:00,800 --> 01:21:03,400
Speaker 2: Matt. First off, man, how are you thanks for joining us?

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01:21:04,080 --> 01:21:06,160
Speaker 11: That's funny, like it's usually the opposite.

1469
01:21:06,200 --> 01:21:09,240
Speaker 9: It's not Chargers Rams in Los Angeles, it's San Diego,

1470
01:21:09,320 --> 01:21:13,519
Speaker 9: Los Angeles. Yes, tepically right, for sure, get it wrong. Yeah,

1471
01:21:13,560 --> 01:21:15,280
Speaker 9: no worry on the patients. I'm just sitting on the

1472
01:21:15,960 --> 01:21:18,519
Speaker 9: one ten nightmare making my way over to Dodger Stadium.

1473
01:21:18,600 --> 01:21:19,200
Speaker 11: So all good.

1474
01:21:19,720 --> 01:21:23,200
Speaker 1: Oh listen, man, that means you've got You've gone what

1475
01:21:24,000 --> 01:21:26,040
Speaker 1: probably two miles in the last forty five minutes or

1476
01:21:26,040 --> 01:21:26,479
Speaker 1: something like that.

1477
01:21:27,920 --> 01:21:28,880
Speaker 11: It's not too bad.

1478
01:21:29,080 --> 01:21:32,720
Speaker 9: It's I'm coming from the Chargers facility in Elsa, Gundos,

1479
01:21:32,720 --> 01:21:35,080
Speaker 9: not to get who cares about logistics, But yes, I've

1480
01:21:35,120 --> 01:21:36,960
Speaker 9: just hit the log jam. I was cruising for a

1481
01:21:36,960 --> 01:21:39,400
Speaker 9: while and now I'm staring at downtown and yeah, it's

1482
01:21:39,400 --> 01:21:40,080
Speaker 9: gonna take a while.

1483
01:21:40,200 --> 01:21:40,360
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1484
01:21:40,360 --> 01:21:43,439
Speaker 1: Here's what's interesting. So we anticipated that the cold season

1485
01:21:43,520 --> 01:21:45,559
Speaker 1: was going to look like rush hour on the one ten,

1486
01:21:45,680 --> 01:21:47,599
Speaker 1: and the fact that we didn't know, you know, how

1487
01:21:47,600 --> 01:21:49,839
Speaker 1: it was going to go, and yet lo and behold

1488
01:21:49,920 --> 01:21:52,280
Speaker 1: the ways has been good for them because they're off

1489
01:21:52,320 --> 01:21:55,599
Speaker 1: to the start that is surprising. And the Chargers is

1490
01:21:55,720 --> 01:21:57,600
Speaker 1: a matchup that from the get go I thought was

1491
01:21:57,600 --> 01:22:01,000
Speaker 1: going to be a challenge for them. I really like

1492
01:22:01,240 --> 01:22:04,400
Speaker 1: Justin Herbert, but from the outside it seems as though

1493
01:22:05,160 --> 01:22:08,240
Speaker 1: LA has had problems at times protecting him. Is that

1494
01:22:08,360 --> 01:22:10,000
Speaker 1: too nuanced a statement to make?

1495
01:22:11,520 --> 01:22:13,960
Speaker 9: No, not at all, And they wouldn't have had any

1496
01:22:14,000 --> 01:22:16,960
Speaker 9: problems protecting him had they not been dealing with these

1497
01:22:17,120 --> 01:22:21,639
Speaker 9: catastrophic injuries across that front, because Zion has really turned

1498
01:22:21,640 --> 01:22:24,639
Speaker 9: into a heck of a guard after struggling his first

1499
01:22:24,640 --> 01:22:27,960
Speaker 9: three seasons. And they signed Mackay Beckton, who when he's

1500
01:22:27,960 --> 01:22:31,360
Speaker 9: out there is fantastic. Then you got Slater an alt

1501
01:22:31,400 --> 01:22:34,160
Speaker 9: on the outside, and man, you got yourself a conversation

1502
01:22:34,280 --> 01:22:37,000
Speaker 9: for the best O line in the league. Unfortunately, you know,

1503
01:22:37,080 --> 01:22:40,400
Speaker 9: Rashaan Slater and all Pro is gone in training camp,

1504
01:22:40,680 --> 01:22:43,120
Speaker 9: Joe All you know, gets rolled up on in the

1505
01:22:43,439 --> 01:22:47,679
Speaker 9: New York game. And now you're on literally tackles six

1506
01:22:47,720 --> 01:22:51,559
Speaker 9: and seven. They're backups. Trey Pipkins and Jamari Sawyer were

1507
01:22:51,560 --> 01:22:54,120
Speaker 9: out last week, so you're on Austin deculis, a practice

1508
01:22:54,160 --> 01:22:56,839
Speaker 9: squad tackle, and Bobby Hart, who they signed the practice

1509
01:22:56,840 --> 01:22:59,280
Speaker 9: squad about two weeks ago and hasn't started a game since.

1510
01:22:59,280 --> 01:23:03,360
Speaker 9: Twenty twenty one, we're out there on Sunday, So that's

1511
01:23:03,920 --> 01:23:06,320
Speaker 9: that's certainly what's led to it. They've had to adjust

1512
01:23:06,360 --> 01:23:10,680
Speaker 9: the way, you know, this offense not looking like we

1513
01:23:11,120 --> 01:23:13,000
Speaker 9: think it should look, and a lot lot of these

1514
01:23:13,000 --> 01:23:15,759
Speaker 9: deep shots taken advantage of all that strength that Herbert

1515
01:23:15,800 --> 01:23:16,960
Speaker 9: has in that right arm of his.

1516
01:23:17,400 --> 01:23:21,000
Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting when you look at, for example,

1517
01:23:21,080 --> 01:23:23,760
Speaker 1: Matt the way that they distribute the ball through the

1518
01:23:23,800 --> 01:23:27,120
Speaker 1: air with Justin Herbert, it seems as though from a

1519
01:23:27,200 --> 01:23:31,559
Speaker 1: receiving standpoint that they've got a pretty balanced core of players.

1520
01:23:31,880 --> 01:23:35,479
Speaker 1: Is that because Herbert has the ability to create extent

1521
01:23:35,600 --> 01:23:38,120
Speaker 1: and go through his reads and get to a second

1522
01:23:38,160 --> 01:23:40,800
Speaker 1: and third check or is it by design of Jim

1523
01:23:40,880 --> 01:23:44,800
Speaker 1: Harbaugh to consistently keep defenses guessing as to where they're going.

1524
01:23:46,560 --> 01:23:49,040
Speaker 9: Yeah, I think it's probably a product of just the roster.

1525
01:23:49,320 --> 01:23:51,920
Speaker 9: You know, last year it was pretty much Lad and

1526
01:23:51,960 --> 01:23:54,760
Speaker 9: almost nothing else. And even when teams were doubling in

1527
01:23:55,000 --> 01:23:58,080
Speaker 9: the playoff game, even triple teaming Lad, he's still, you know,

1528
01:23:58,120 --> 01:24:00,320
Speaker 9: against Houston, even though it was a mess of a game,

1529
01:24:00,360 --> 01:24:02,799
Speaker 9: put up one hundred and ninety seven yards in a touchdown.

1530
01:24:03,320 --> 01:24:06,080
Speaker 9: This year is much more similar to what we've seen

1531
01:24:06,080 --> 01:24:09,200
Speaker 9: in the past, like his rookie year when favorite people

1532
01:24:09,240 --> 01:24:12,280
Speaker 9: in all of football, Shane Steichen was his offensive coordinator.

1533
01:24:12,760 --> 01:24:14,360
Speaker 11: He just threw to who was open.

1534
01:24:14,320 --> 01:24:16,599
Speaker 9: And even though he had Keenan Allen and Mike Williams

1535
01:24:16,640 --> 01:24:18,080
Speaker 9: on the team, at the end of the year, you

1536
01:24:18,120 --> 01:24:21,360
Speaker 9: look at the stats and you're like, who's Tyron Williams

1537
01:24:21,439 --> 01:24:23,240
Speaker 9: And why does he have four hundred and fifty yards

1538
01:24:23,280 --> 01:24:25,680
Speaker 9: and three touchdowns? Who's Jalen Dighton and why does he

1539
01:24:25,720 --> 01:24:27,480
Speaker 9: have four hundred yards and three touchdowns?

1540
01:24:27,520 --> 01:24:29,040
Speaker 11: Like that's just the way Herbert's always been.

1541
01:24:29,080 --> 01:24:31,360
Speaker 9: If you're open, as long as you don't drop the

1542
01:24:31,360 --> 01:24:33,760
Speaker 9: ball and you don't mess with you know, kind of

1543
01:24:33,760 --> 01:24:36,000
Speaker 9: what he thinks you're supposed what you're supposed to be doing,

1544
01:24:36,080 --> 01:24:37,800
Speaker 9: and where he's going to throw it, you're going to

1545
01:24:37,880 --> 01:24:39,880
Speaker 9: get the ball. And I think that's like we just

1546
01:24:39,880 --> 01:24:42,800
Speaker 9: saw this last week right where Tyler Conklin was getting

1547
01:24:42,840 --> 01:24:46,479
Speaker 9: snaps and now arodde Gadsden, fifth round rookie out of Syracuse,

1548
01:24:46,520 --> 01:24:48,760
Speaker 9: has just kind of stepped in there. He fumbles on

1549
01:24:48,800 --> 01:24:51,599
Speaker 9: the first reception, turns it over to Miami, but he's,

1550
01:24:51,640 --> 01:24:53,439
Speaker 9: you know, trying to get a first down and extend

1551
01:24:53,439 --> 01:24:56,200
Speaker 9: the play and the guy ends up with eight more targets,

1552
01:24:56,200 --> 01:24:58,959
Speaker 9: seven more catches, and seventy more yards just because Herbert's

1553
01:24:59,200 --> 01:25:00,280
Speaker 9: if you're open, I'm to you.

1554
01:25:00,360 --> 01:25:01,879
Speaker 11: That's just kind of the way he's always operated.

1555
01:25:01,920 --> 01:25:03,800
Speaker 1: And that's the tight end position you speak of there,

1556
01:25:03,840 --> 01:25:07,240
Speaker 1: which has become for Indianapolis. You know, Tyler Warren just

1557
01:25:07,360 --> 01:25:11,360
Speaker 1: solves so many things, Matt in terms of when you

1558
01:25:11,400 --> 01:25:12,920
Speaker 1: get a tight end that you can line up in

1559
01:25:13,000 --> 01:25:16,240
Speaker 1: different spots, right, then you can take advantage of a

1560
01:25:16,280 --> 01:25:20,920
Speaker 1: defense or stretch of defense out defensively, what will Daniel

1561
01:25:21,040 --> 01:25:25,160
Speaker 1: Jones see informs of the Chargers and what is their

1562
01:25:25,200 --> 01:25:26,520
Speaker 1: strength and their deficiency?

1563
01:25:27,439 --> 01:25:29,559
Speaker 9: Well, I think the hope is that what he sees

1564
01:25:29,680 --> 01:25:32,679
Speaker 9: isn't what it is. That's sort of what jesse Minner's

1565
01:25:32,840 --> 01:25:36,160
Speaker 9: secret sauce is, right. It's a lot of simulated pressures.

1566
01:25:36,280 --> 01:25:39,600
Speaker 9: It's a lot of thinking what you see is what

1567
01:25:40,320 --> 01:25:43,280
Speaker 9: it's going to be, and it's not the one issue

1568
01:25:43,360 --> 01:25:46,000
Speaker 9: that they've had is for whatever reason this year and

1569
01:25:46,040 --> 01:25:47,760
Speaker 9: it was not the case last year. Last year when

1570
01:25:47,760 --> 01:25:50,600
Speaker 9: they were the best scoring defense in football seventeen to

1571
01:25:50,640 --> 01:25:52,360
Speaker 9: six a game, and they were top ten.

1572
01:25:52,200 --> 01:25:52,920
Speaker 11: And every metric.

1573
01:25:53,479 --> 01:25:57,000
Speaker 9: They were sound tacklers, and they were good against the run,

1574
01:25:57,120 --> 01:25:58,320
Speaker 9: really good against the run.

1575
01:25:58,520 --> 01:26:01,759
Speaker 11: This year, they I don't know what's.

1576
01:26:01,560 --> 01:26:05,040
Speaker 9: Going on, if it's injury or if for whatever it

1577
01:26:05,160 --> 01:26:07,800
Speaker 9: just different personnel because some people left last year.

1578
01:26:09,040 --> 01:26:10,599
Speaker 11: They have had just way.

1579
01:26:10,439 --> 01:26:13,799
Speaker 9: Too many mistackles and that obviously is a big concern

1580
01:26:13,840 --> 01:26:15,960
Speaker 9: against the Colts because of what Jonathan Taylor can do

1581
01:26:16,040 --> 01:26:19,120
Speaker 9: and then how that opens up play action and especially

1582
01:26:19,160 --> 01:26:21,200
Speaker 9: you know, the physicality you mentioned Tyler Warren, like, this

1583
01:26:21,280 --> 01:26:23,479
Speaker 9: is a team you'd better be able to tackle or

1584
01:26:23,479 --> 01:26:24,519
Speaker 9: else they're going to punish you.

1585
01:26:25,080 --> 01:26:25,720
Speaker 11: In terms of the.

1586
01:26:25,640 --> 01:26:28,320
Speaker 9: Colts, and so I think that's that's the one thing

1587
01:26:28,320 --> 01:26:31,080
Speaker 9: they have to get cleaned up. Typically, the scheme is sound,

1588
01:26:31,479 --> 01:26:34,360
Speaker 9: the players are usually in the right places. We've seen

1589
01:26:34,400 --> 01:26:36,000
Speaker 9: a little bit more of that this year that we

1590
01:26:36,040 --> 01:26:38,479
Speaker 9: didn't see last year. You know, the Darren Waller touchdown

1591
01:26:38,560 --> 01:26:40,760
Speaker 9: last week is a perfect example of passing a guy

1592
01:26:40,760 --> 01:26:41,599
Speaker 9: off to nobody.

1593
01:26:42,040 --> 01:26:43,240
Speaker 11: That hasn't happened a lot.

1594
01:26:43,840 --> 01:26:47,960
Speaker 9: But I think ultimately it's it probably unless the Chargers

1595
01:26:48,080 --> 01:26:50,040
Speaker 9: change some things that we've seen in the last three

1596
01:26:50,160 --> 01:26:53,160
Speaker 9: four games, it lines up okay for the Colts because

1597
01:26:53,200 --> 01:26:56,479
Speaker 9: this run defense with the absence of Khalil Mack, with

1598
01:26:56,520 --> 01:26:59,920
Speaker 9: the absence of Denzel Paraman has gotten real leaking in

1599
01:27:00,000 --> 01:27:02,160
Speaker 9: a hurry. Now Paramans should be back out there. The linebacker.

1600
01:27:02,240 --> 01:27:05,160
Speaker 9: I know he's not a big name, but he's a thumper.

1601
01:27:05,439 --> 01:27:08,559
Speaker 9: He's exceptional at finding the right run fit and making

1602
01:27:08,640 --> 01:27:13,040
Speaker 9: it happen and so and Khalil Max started practicing yesterday.

1603
01:27:13,080 --> 01:27:16,600
Speaker 9: I don't think he's going to be out there. I

1604
01:27:16,680 --> 01:27:18,639
Speaker 9: go a long way, long term for them to get

1605
01:27:18,640 --> 01:27:20,759
Speaker 9: this thing fixed. But as far as this Sunday is concerned,

1606
01:27:21,640 --> 01:27:23,960
Speaker 9: I just you know, you'd have to say, based on

1607
01:27:24,000 --> 01:27:27,719
Speaker 9: what we've seen with a Chan last week with Crosskey Merat,

1608
01:27:27,720 --> 01:27:30,080
Speaker 9: the week before, with Skataboo and Darth the week before,

1609
01:27:30,160 --> 01:27:32,000
Speaker 9: as you know, teams have been able to run on them.

1610
01:27:32,560 --> 01:27:35,120
Speaker 1: Matt money Smith is our guest. He's on the Joba House,

1611
01:27:35,120 --> 01:27:37,599
Speaker 1: Peel and Port Guest Line. He is the radio voice

1612
01:27:37,640 --> 01:27:41,360
Speaker 1: of the Los Angeles Chargers. Matt Jim Harbaugh was very

1613
01:27:41,360 --> 01:27:43,800
Speaker 1: complimentary of his time with Jim irsay. He had very

1614
01:27:43,880 --> 01:27:46,600
Speaker 1: nice things to say about the Lake Colts owner. What

1615
01:27:46,840 --> 01:27:51,040
Speaker 1: sort of I guess I'll use the word attitude or

1616
01:27:51,200 --> 01:27:54,600
Speaker 1: just tone. Has Jim Harbaugh been able to bring to

1617
01:27:54,640 --> 01:27:56,679
Speaker 1: the Chargers since becoming their head coach.

1618
01:27:57,760 --> 01:28:01,360
Speaker 11: Uh winn. I think that's number one and toughness and winning.

1619
01:28:01,640 --> 01:28:08,200
Speaker 9: You know, it's he is so good at getting players

1620
01:28:08,439 --> 01:28:11,799
Speaker 9: to believe in what he's selling, and I think that's,

1621
01:28:11,880 --> 01:28:15,439
Speaker 9: you know, such an underrated skill for a head coach.

1622
01:28:15,520 --> 01:28:19,280
Speaker 9: It's like, Hey, I'm sending you out onto this field

1623
01:28:19,400 --> 01:28:22,479
Speaker 9: in a plastic outfit and asking you to commit random

1624
01:28:22,520 --> 01:28:25,080
Speaker 9: matt will not random, but designed acts of violence.

1625
01:28:25,600 --> 01:28:27,599
Speaker 11: Will you do it for me? And I think you know,

1626
01:28:27,680 --> 01:28:28,439
Speaker 11: with coaches in the.

1627
01:28:28,439 --> 01:28:31,040
Speaker 9: Past, we've seen some guys are like, no, no, I

1628
01:28:31,080 --> 01:28:33,479
Speaker 9: won't because I don't believe in and what you have

1629
01:28:33,640 --> 01:28:36,000
Speaker 9: us doing, where the positions you're putting us in, and

1630
01:28:36,040 --> 01:28:38,600
Speaker 9: that this is necessarily in our best interest.

1631
01:28:39,439 --> 01:28:42,000
Speaker 11: With Harbaugh, he is all about his players.

1632
01:28:42,080 --> 01:28:43,960
Speaker 9: He is all about like you will never hear him

1633
01:28:44,000 --> 01:28:47,519
Speaker 9: say a bad word about anyone regardless of how you know,

1634
01:28:47,880 --> 01:28:50,240
Speaker 9: how many challenges they make, challenges they may have had

1635
01:28:50,280 --> 01:28:55,439
Speaker 9: in the game prior, but appreciate that he walks in

1636
01:28:55,479 --> 01:28:58,080
Speaker 9: that door and it's like, hey, I understand that there's

1637
01:28:58,080 --> 01:29:00,880
Speaker 9: a verb out there called chargering that has nothing to

1638
01:29:00,920 --> 01:29:04,839
Speaker 9: do with me. Okay, I'm a winner. I win everywhere

1639
01:29:04,840 --> 01:29:07,320
Speaker 9: I go. I just won a national championship at Michigan.

1640
01:29:07,600 --> 01:29:09,720
Speaker 9: I went to a super Bowl in San Francisco. I

1641
01:29:09,800 --> 01:29:12,880
Speaker 9: took an afterthought of a program at San Diego made

1642
01:29:12,960 --> 01:29:14,519
Speaker 9: him relevant, and then I was.

1643
01:29:14,479 --> 01:29:15,560
Speaker 11: So good at Stanford.

1644
01:29:15,600 --> 01:29:18,360
Speaker 9: I ran off Pete Carroll to the NFL, like I win,

1645
01:29:18,720 --> 01:29:22,240
Speaker 9: so follow my lead, and I think that's what they needed.

1646
01:29:22,400 --> 01:29:26,280
Speaker 9: You know, they're so talented with Derwin James and Justin Herbert, Like,

1647
01:29:26,320 --> 01:29:31,240
Speaker 9: these guys are so talented, find ways to lose games.

1648
01:29:31,240 --> 01:29:34,439
Speaker 9: So I think that's more than anything what he was

1649
01:29:34,479 --> 01:29:37,120
Speaker 9: able to bring to this team and just say, let's

1650
01:29:37,160 --> 01:29:38,000
Speaker 9: go win games.

1651
01:29:38,040 --> 01:29:39,360
Speaker 11: You're plenty good enough.

1652
01:29:40,040 --> 01:29:41,960
Speaker 2: And he should have taken the Colts to the super Bowl.

1653
01:29:42,000 --> 01:29:44,680
Speaker 1: But Cordel Stewart got credit for a touchdown when he

1654
01:29:44,680 --> 01:29:45,840
Speaker 1: stepped out of bounds ahead of time.

1655
01:29:45,840 --> 01:29:47,519
Speaker 2: But that's you know, been thirty years, so we can

1656
01:29:47,600 --> 01:29:48,280
Speaker 2: let that go, all right.

1657
01:29:48,400 --> 01:29:51,240
Speaker 1: Lastly, we have a mutual friend, as you know in

1658
01:29:51,640 --> 01:29:54,080
Speaker 1: my buddy track dude Michael Young, who calls turn three

1659
01:29:54,160 --> 01:29:55,920
Speaker 1: the eighty five hundred or turn two, and I'm in

1660
01:29:55,960 --> 01:29:59,559
Speaker 1: turn three, so Michael throws it to me. He tells

1661
01:29:59,600 --> 01:30:02,400
Speaker 1: me that he knows you because back when he was

1662
01:30:03,040 --> 01:30:07,000
Speaker 1: a rock DJ, you were a record label like promoter

1663
01:30:07,200 --> 01:30:11,120
Speaker 1: basically for a record company. Fact or fiction In terms of.

1664
01:30:11,080 --> 01:30:15,920
Speaker 9: That one hundred percent fact, Em Young is one of

1665
01:30:15,920 --> 01:30:18,320
Speaker 9: my absolute favorite guys on the face of the earth.

1666
01:30:18,320 --> 01:30:21,519
Speaker 9: We've remained friends despite me not being in the record

1667
01:30:21,560 --> 01:30:25,040
Speaker 9: business since two thousand and five, is when I made

1668
01:30:25,040 --> 01:30:27,760
Speaker 9: the transition to sports. Yet we still see each other

1669
01:30:27,880 --> 01:30:30,240
Speaker 9: whenever I go to Indy and I go a lot

1670
01:30:30,280 --> 01:30:33,800
Speaker 9: to call Big ten tournament basketball, or whenever he comes here.

1671
01:30:35,120 --> 01:30:39,040
Speaker 9: Track dude, as people know him, is just an awesome guy.

1672
01:30:39,080 --> 01:30:40,400
Speaker 9: And he was a pain.

1673
01:30:41,880 --> 01:30:43,000
Speaker 11: I'll say it. I'll put it this way.

1674
01:30:43,479 --> 01:30:45,760
Speaker 9: He was a pain in my ass while also being

1675
01:30:45,840 --> 01:30:48,599
Speaker 9: one of my best partners and getting my.

1676
01:30:48,600 --> 01:30:49,240
Speaker 11: Records play it.

1677
01:30:49,479 --> 01:30:52,479
Speaker 1: That's exactly correct, right, It's like.

1678
01:30:52,479 --> 01:30:53,559
Speaker 11: It's both sides.

1679
01:30:53,880 --> 01:30:57,240
Speaker 1: Imagine this. Imagine having to wait for him to have

1680
01:30:57,320 --> 01:30:59,960
Speaker 1: the brevity of making a radio call in eleven second

1681
01:31:00,120 --> 01:31:02,200
Speaker 1: before he drops it to you, and having him actually

1682
01:31:02,240 --> 01:31:03,519
Speaker 1: get it within eleven seconds.

1683
01:31:03,640 --> 01:31:03,800
Speaker 11: Right.

1684
01:31:04,000 --> 01:31:06,360
Speaker 1: So here, let me ask you this, in your time

1685
01:31:06,439 --> 01:31:09,040
Speaker 1: doing that, give me the band, give me the musical

1686
01:31:09,080 --> 01:31:11,679
Speaker 1: act that when you look back on it, you most

1687
01:31:11,760 --> 01:31:15,400
Speaker 1: aggressively tried to promote or get played on radio that

1688
01:31:15,520 --> 01:31:17,000
Speaker 1: you were constantly selling.

1689
01:31:17,040 --> 01:31:18,040
Speaker 2: Which one comes to mind?

1690
01:31:21,400 --> 01:31:24,160
Speaker 9: I think the one I had the most belief in

1691
01:31:25,560 --> 01:31:29,839
Speaker 9: was was Jimmy World. The guys were just such good dudes,

1692
01:31:30,040 --> 01:31:32,800
Speaker 9: and they worked so hard, and so I wanted it

1693
01:31:33,120 --> 01:31:36,599
Speaker 9: so badly for them, and I just thought the middle

1694
01:31:36,920 --> 01:31:39,680
Speaker 9: and sweetness and that they were just like yeah, that

1695
01:31:39,720 --> 01:31:41,920
Speaker 9: there were just like five or six hits on that record,

1696
01:31:41,920 --> 01:31:44,559
Speaker 9: and I was like, there's no way we're not going

1697
01:31:44,640 --> 01:31:56,400
Speaker 9: to have this work, oh, neighbor, that that was going

1698
01:31:56,479 --> 01:31:57,240
Speaker 9: to be their single.

1699
01:31:57,680 --> 01:32:03,920
Speaker 11: It was aren't like this bundle up?

1700
01:32:04,640 --> 01:32:07,360
Speaker 2: Okay, I hate saying it. I appreciate the time for Matt.

1701
01:32:07,439 --> 01:32:10,599
Speaker 1: Unfortunately, Jimmy E World did kind of work, and then

1702
01:32:10,600 --> 01:32:12,800
Speaker 1: at the very last second that our connection did not,

1703
01:32:13,040 --> 01:32:17,040
Speaker 1: but certainly appreciate the time. Matt money Smith, the voice

1704
01:32:17,200 --> 01:32:20,600
Speaker 1: of the Chargers, joining us here on the program. We

1705
01:32:20,600 --> 01:32:22,400
Speaker 1: will take a break, we'll come back. We may or

1706
01:32:22,479 --> 01:32:25,479
Speaker 1: may not have Matt Taylor bottom of the hour, but

1707
01:32:25,560 --> 01:32:29,080
Speaker 1: we'll get back into in fact, a couple of key injuries,

1708
01:32:29,120 --> 01:32:31,200
Speaker 1: and thank you to Matt again for a time. Couple

1709
01:32:31,240 --> 01:32:32,840
Speaker 1: of key injuries for the Colts that we need to

1710
01:32:32,840 --> 01:32:35,960
Speaker 1: take a look towards, including one that popped up yesterday

1711
01:32:36,000 --> 01:32:38,439
Speaker 1: to miss some time that is critical and a bit

1712
01:32:38,479 --> 01:32:42,200
Speaker 1: of a surprise. We'll get into it next there it

1713
01:32:42,280 --> 01:32:47,799
Speaker 1: is Jimmy World the Middle. Thanks to Matt money Smith

1714
01:32:47,960 --> 01:32:52,400
Speaker 1: for joining us on the program. Also, before we get

1715
01:32:52,439 --> 01:32:55,839
Speaker 1: into the Colts injury report, let me give a glimpse

1716
01:32:55,880 --> 01:32:59,559
Speaker 1: behind the curtain here and a tip of the cap.

1717
01:33:00,479 --> 01:33:07,000
Speaker 1: So I have always said, take whatever your favorite team is, Corbyn,

1718
01:33:07,040 --> 01:33:12,240
Speaker 1: give me a locally Pacers culture favorite team, which one

1719
01:33:12,400 --> 01:33:13,280
Speaker 1: Colts Colts?

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01:33:13,280 --> 01:33:13,599
Speaker 2: Okay?

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01:33:14,840 --> 01:33:18,400
Speaker 1: So for the Colts, Ashton Doolan is my one of

1722
01:33:18,400 --> 01:33:21,880
Speaker 1: my quariisms of the copier guy. And I know that

1723
01:33:21,920 --> 01:33:25,439
Speaker 1: I've mentioned before what the copier guy means. The copier

1724
01:33:25,479 --> 01:33:28,479
Speaker 1: guy is not the character from Saturday Night Live of

1725
01:33:28,600 --> 01:33:32,360
Speaker 1: Rob Schneider, like hey, making copies. The copier guy is

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01:33:32,400 --> 01:33:37,240
Speaker 1: the person in any business that you walk down the

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01:33:37,280 --> 01:33:40,800
Speaker 1: hallway and there's the big, huge copy machine and I

1728
01:33:40,840 --> 01:33:43,360
Speaker 1: don't know what's going on now with you know, I

1729
01:33:43,439 --> 01:33:44,760
Speaker 1: used to it used to be great when you just

1730
01:33:44,800 --> 01:33:46,200
Speaker 1: sit down a piece of paper, you get a button,

1731
01:33:46,200 --> 01:33:49,920
Speaker 1: and there's your copy. Now it's like it's warming up.

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01:33:50,040 --> 01:33:52,719
Speaker 1: Would you like to do this in PDF form? Or regular.

1733
01:33:52,800 --> 01:33:55,559
Speaker 1: Are you faxing this or sending it? Are you scanning it?

1734
01:33:55,720 --> 01:33:57,639
Speaker 1: Would you like this in color? How big a piece

1735
01:33:57,640 --> 01:33:59,360
Speaker 1: of paper would you like? Do you want it zoomed in?

1736
01:33:59,400 --> 01:34:02,320
Speaker 1: Would you like them map included? I just need a copy.

1737
01:34:03,240 --> 01:34:07,000
Speaker 1: But nonetheless, you walk past the copy machine and everybody's

1738
01:34:07,040 --> 01:34:10,240
Speaker 1: standing around and you're like, what's going on here? Somebodayes

1739
01:34:10,240 --> 01:34:13,479
Speaker 1: I don't know the copier is not working. The copier

1740
01:34:13,520 --> 01:34:16,400
Speaker 1: guy or gal is the person in any office that

1741
01:34:16,479 --> 01:34:20,080
Speaker 1: someone then says, well, call them. They'll know how to

1742
01:34:20,080 --> 01:34:21,679
Speaker 1: fix it because they know how to do everything. They're

1743
01:34:21,720 --> 01:34:24,120
Speaker 1: like Mikey with life Cereal. They know how to do everything.

1744
01:34:25,040 --> 01:34:30,439
Speaker 1: And every business needs the copier guy or gal. Ashton

1745
01:34:30,520 --> 01:34:33,719
Speaker 1: Doolan is the copier guy for the colts, no matter

1746
01:34:33,760 --> 01:34:36,280
Speaker 1: what they need him to do. Seemingly he's ready and willing,

1747
01:34:36,320 --> 01:34:38,120
Speaker 1: and you just feel like, so long as he's on

1748
01:34:38,160 --> 01:34:41,479
Speaker 1: the roster, you're in good shape. You're in good shape

1749
01:34:41,479 --> 01:34:46,240
Speaker 1: because Ashton Doolan is literally it's like all State. You're

1750
01:34:46,280 --> 01:34:48,400
Speaker 1: in good hands with him. You just know he's going

1751
01:34:48,439 --> 01:34:50,840
Speaker 1: to deliver in whatever it is you need done. For

1752
01:34:51,000 --> 01:34:54,080
Speaker 1: the pacers standpoint, the copier guy, I think probably is

1753
01:34:54,120 --> 01:34:56,880
Speaker 1: aaron Ne Smith. You need somebody to come in and

1754
01:34:56,920 --> 01:34:58,960
Speaker 1: hit threes to bail you out of the game in

1755
01:34:59,000 --> 01:35:01,479
Speaker 1: New York, Aaron no problem. You need somebody to lock

1756
01:35:01,520 --> 01:35:04,200
Speaker 1: down somebody defensively, no problem. You need a couple of

1757
01:35:04,240 --> 01:35:07,639
Speaker 1: late free throws, aaron Nie Smith, no problem. Copy your guy.

1758
01:35:07,800 --> 01:35:10,880
Speaker 1: Something goes wrong, where's Aaron Nee Smith. He'll probably be

1759
01:35:10,920 --> 01:35:14,320
Speaker 1: able to take care of it. And today has been

1760
01:35:14,360 --> 01:35:15,000
Speaker 1: one of those days.

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01:35:15,000 --> 01:35:15,639
Speaker 2: And it happens.

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01:35:15,640 --> 01:35:17,679
Speaker 1: It's not I mean, you know, it happens in any

1763
01:35:17,680 --> 01:35:22,280
Speaker 1: walk of life. Where we had, we've had and continue

1764
01:35:22,280 --> 01:35:25,960
Speaker 1: to have some technical difficulties behind the scenes of the

1765
01:35:26,040 --> 01:35:31,759
Speaker 1: radio station, it happens. And so I'm doing I'm sitting

1766
01:35:31,800 --> 01:35:33,840
Speaker 1: here and I know that we're supposed to have Matt

1767
01:35:33,880 --> 01:35:36,280
Speaker 1: Money Smith on the radio voice of the Chargers, who

1768
01:35:36,320 --> 01:35:40,640
Speaker 1: you just heard. Now when we have guests on this

1769
01:35:40,800 --> 01:35:43,719
Speaker 1: show on the Java House Peel and poor guest line,

1770
01:35:45,360 --> 01:35:49,760
Speaker 1: then obviously it's via the telephone. And this within the

1771
01:35:49,760 --> 01:35:52,080
Speaker 1: building today there's some sort of an outage I don't

1772
01:35:52,080 --> 01:35:54,240
Speaker 1: think having anything to do with anybody in this building

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01:35:54,320 --> 01:35:57,160
Speaker 1: where we have a phone outage. So we all of

1774
01:35:57,160 --> 01:36:01,080
Speaker 1: a sudden realize in it literally in the moment we

1775
01:36:01,200 --> 01:36:05,280
Speaker 1: realize we have no phones, and when you are sitting

1776
01:36:05,320 --> 01:36:08,000
Speaker 1: here and you're like, okay, so I had planned for

1777
01:36:08,320 --> 01:36:10,760
Speaker 1: the fact that we have this guest and then they're

1778
01:36:10,760 --> 01:36:14,080
Speaker 1: not there. Whatever I mean, it comes to the territory.

1779
01:36:15,040 --> 01:36:20,439
Speaker 1: But Corbin Langenfelzer, who you hear with the voice of

1780
01:36:20,520 --> 01:36:22,599
Speaker 1: Darth Vader as Mark Boyle calls him, because he fills

1781
01:36:22,640 --> 01:36:24,439
Speaker 1: in on Pacer games as well and is also the

1782
01:36:24,439 --> 01:36:27,080
Speaker 1: master control operator for any car radio and the producer there.

1783
01:36:27,439 --> 01:36:31,320
Speaker 1: But with Eddie on vacation, Corbin's filling in Corbyn. Right then,

1784
01:36:31,840 --> 01:36:35,400
Speaker 1: as I'm sitting here talking, I look over and Corbin's

1785
01:36:35,479 --> 01:36:38,479
Speaker 1: like working one phone and he's emailing something, and he's

1786
01:36:38,520 --> 01:36:40,800
Speaker 1: sending out a carrier pigeon and he threw a paper

1787
01:36:40,840 --> 01:36:43,640
Speaker 1: airplane and he's running all over the place. But he

1788
01:36:43,760 --> 01:36:46,559
Speaker 1: is stoically sitting there. And the next thing I know,

1789
01:36:46,680 --> 01:36:49,960
Speaker 1: without me even knowing it, Corbin had managed to get

1790
01:36:49,960 --> 01:36:52,519
Speaker 1: a hold of Matt Smith send him away for Matt

1791
01:36:52,560 --> 01:36:56,200
Speaker 1: Smith to actually use a fiber line through his phone

1792
01:36:56,720 --> 01:36:59,160
Speaker 1: to patch into a computer line that Corbyn can then

1793
01:36:59,200 --> 01:37:02,280
Speaker 1: patch in. And Corbin, in that moment, right there, with

1794
01:37:02,360 --> 01:37:07,760
Speaker 1: all hell breaking loose, has like literally calmly becomes the

1795
01:37:07,840 --> 01:37:11,120
Speaker 1: copier guy, Corbyn. Right, there was the Ashton Doolan, the

1796
01:37:11,160 --> 01:37:14,639
Speaker 1: Aaron N Smith of what we do here in radio.

1797
01:37:15,080 --> 01:37:18,120
Speaker 1: And I hope all of you in no matter what

1798
01:37:18,479 --> 01:37:20,960
Speaker 1: walk of life you're in, no matter what level of

1799
01:37:21,000 --> 01:37:23,479
Speaker 1: work you're doing, no matter what kind of work you're doing,

1800
01:37:23,880 --> 01:37:25,880
Speaker 1: that when all of a sudden, and it's a really

1801
01:37:25,960 --> 01:37:29,680
Speaker 1: small thing, you know, no one's we ain't doing neurosurgery

1802
01:37:29,680 --> 01:37:34,360
Speaker 1: in here, right, I'm aware of that, but nonetheless there

1803
01:37:34,479 --> 01:37:38,160
Speaker 1: is a security blanket feeling of knowing when you're sitting

1804
01:37:38,160 --> 01:37:41,519
Speaker 1: there that you've got somebody that's like, no, I've got

1805
01:37:41,520 --> 01:37:44,000
Speaker 1: to keep going and coming up with on the fly

1806
01:37:44,600 --> 01:37:46,920
Speaker 1: what needs to be done to get things done and

1807
01:37:47,000 --> 01:37:50,519
Speaker 1: so and I very seldomly wear a cap, but I

1808
01:37:50,520 --> 01:37:52,080
Speaker 1: am today. So hold on, I gotta take my heads.

1809
01:37:52,080 --> 01:37:53,240
Speaker 2: It's up. That's me.

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01:37:53,360 --> 01:37:55,920
Speaker 1: You see what I'm doing there, Corbyn. That's a tip

1811
01:37:55,920 --> 01:37:59,439
Speaker 1: of the cap. Tip of the cap to Corbin. Ashton

1812
01:37:59,520 --> 01:38:04,000
Speaker 1: Doolan in fact become important for the Colts again this Sunday,

1813
01:38:04,080 --> 01:38:07,040
Speaker 1: except for that he himself is on the injury report

1814
01:38:07,800 --> 01:38:11,240
Speaker 1: with a chest injury. Ashton Doolan did not practice yesterday

1815
01:38:11,720 --> 01:38:14,240
Speaker 1: I don't think the injury report has been released in

1816
01:38:14,320 --> 01:38:18,120
Speaker 1: terms of today. We may talk to Matt Taylor coming

1817
01:38:18,200 --> 01:38:19,960
Speaker 1: up in just a little bit, and when we do,

1818
01:38:20,600 --> 01:38:23,000
Speaker 1: I'll get the lowdown from him in terms of who

1819
01:38:23,640 --> 01:38:28,639
Speaker 1: may be practicing. But the bigger one is this listed

1820
01:38:28,760 --> 01:38:34,160
Speaker 1: as concussion and did not practice yesterday, Josh Downs. Now

1821
01:38:35,560 --> 01:38:38,240
Speaker 1: you know Alec Pierce is back in the fold. He's

1822
01:38:38,280 --> 01:38:42,280
Speaker 1: now listed with ankle. You know, the ankle injury is

1823
01:38:42,320 --> 01:38:44,160
Speaker 1: where he's listed. But he's back in the mix. And

1824
01:38:44,200 --> 01:38:46,920
Speaker 1: I think we can safely say now is one that

1825
01:38:47,000 --> 01:38:49,000
Speaker 1: we're going to see each and every week unless something

1826
01:38:49,040 --> 01:38:53,280
Speaker 1: else pops up. But when you don't have and I

1827
01:38:53,280 --> 01:38:55,400
Speaker 1: don't know that they're not going to have either of

1828
01:38:55,439 --> 01:38:58,640
Speaker 1: these two guys. But when you talk Ashton Doolan and

1829
01:38:58,800 --> 01:39:03,960
Speaker 1: as well Josh Downs, Dulan is important because of the

1830
01:39:04,000 --> 01:39:09,160
Speaker 1: aforementioned reasons. Downs is important because he is just such

1831
01:39:09,160 --> 01:39:12,760
Speaker 1: an important part offensively of what the Colts want to

1832
01:39:12,760 --> 01:39:15,200
Speaker 1: do by spacing things out.

1833
01:39:15,360 --> 01:39:19,520
Speaker 2: And I remember when he was first.

1834
01:39:19,320 --> 01:39:22,400
Speaker 1: Drafted and we had him on the show and I

1835
01:39:22,520 --> 01:39:26,040
Speaker 1: was thinking to myself, this is the guy when the

1836
01:39:26,040 --> 01:39:31,040
Speaker 1: Colts are late in a game and they have to

1837
01:39:31,200 --> 01:39:34,160
Speaker 1: keep a drive alive and it's fourth down, and it's

1838
01:39:34,200 --> 01:39:36,800
Speaker 1: fourth and five or fourth and six. He just felt

1839
01:39:36,880 --> 01:39:41,400
Speaker 1: like he would be the perfect open space guy. And

1840
01:39:42,040 --> 01:39:44,519
Speaker 1: I was like, you know what, it feels like we

1841
01:39:44,560 --> 01:39:49,280
Speaker 1: should call him Josh fourth downs And people were like, no, moron,

1842
01:39:49,360 --> 01:39:52,160
Speaker 1: He's Josh first downs because he gets you first downs,

1843
01:39:52,640 --> 01:39:58,479
Speaker 1: and certainly I think any quarterback loves having and Tyler

1844
01:39:58,520 --> 01:40:01,439
Speaker 1: Warren is this guy to a great extent, just your

1845
01:40:01,920 --> 01:40:06,800
Speaker 1: safety bailout guy. But Josh Downs now had kind of

1846
01:40:06,800 --> 01:40:09,599
Speaker 1: a lull there in like weeks two or three per se,

1847
01:40:09,640 --> 01:40:12,120
Speaker 1: I think it was, But now is back in the

1848
01:40:12,160 --> 01:40:15,320
Speaker 1: mix just in terms of being that constant target that

1849
01:40:15,479 --> 01:40:21,040
Speaker 1: finds himself open and he runs really good routes, he

1850
01:40:21,160 --> 01:40:28,479
Speaker 1: finds seams, and more so, he makes plays once the

1851
01:40:28,560 --> 01:40:33,880
Speaker 1: ball is in his hands and he's in open space. Now,

1852
01:40:34,040 --> 01:40:37,360
Speaker 1: that's not to say that he can't be replicated. That's

1853
01:40:37,400 --> 01:40:42,439
Speaker 1: not to say he can't be replaced, but if he's

1854
01:40:42,479 --> 01:40:45,080
Speaker 1: not able to go, everybody kind of slides up a spot.

1855
01:40:45,600 --> 01:40:48,160
Speaker 1: Dueling then becomes important. But let's say dueling can't go,

1856
01:40:50,040 --> 01:40:53,679
Speaker 1: That's where things get tricky, because guess who then becomes

1857
01:40:53,760 --> 01:40:56,960
Speaker 1: even more important to come back into the mix. And

1858
01:40:57,160 --> 01:41:03,200
Speaker 1: maybe it's a good thing because maybe what Adie Mitchell

1859
01:41:03,479 --> 01:41:07,720
Speaker 1: needs is a game where the Colts have to say

1860
01:41:07,760 --> 01:41:14,280
Speaker 1: to him, we need you, we need you, we need

1861
01:41:14,320 --> 01:41:17,599
Speaker 1: you to make plays, we need you to be there,

1862
01:41:18,960 --> 01:41:22,160
Speaker 1: and we're counting on you. Because I think to this

1863
01:41:22,360 --> 01:41:28,439
Speaker 1: point Adie Mitchell has had the luxury and to an

1864
01:41:28,479 --> 01:41:35,679
Speaker 1: extent and amusing air quotes, the enablement of Hey, you're

1865
01:41:35,720 --> 01:41:38,720
Speaker 1: just going to be there for us, and we know

1866
01:41:38,800 --> 01:41:43,799
Speaker 1: you're there and we're going to.

1867
01:41:42,640 --> 01:41:43,400
Speaker 2: Keep you in the mix.

1868
01:41:45,479 --> 01:41:47,720
Speaker 1: And as a young player, it doesn't make up a

1869
01:41:47,720 --> 01:41:52,639
Speaker 1: bad guy, but the natural tendency of any young player,

1870
01:41:52,920 --> 01:41:57,320
Speaker 1: I think is to just automatically sometimes assume that it's

1871
01:41:57,360 --> 01:42:00,000
Speaker 1: always going to be there for you.

1872
01:42:01,720 --> 01:42:03,320
Speaker 2: And the.

1873
01:42:06,160 --> 01:42:11,800
Speaker 1: For Doolan, you know, he was never given I don't

1874
01:42:11,840 --> 01:42:14,320
Speaker 1: think that, Hey, it's always going to be there for you,

1875
01:42:14,360 --> 01:42:15,880
Speaker 1: and he's had to earn it and that's why you

1876
01:42:15,920 --> 01:42:18,800
Speaker 1: see him making plays in whatever area needs to be

1877
01:42:19,200 --> 01:42:21,160
Speaker 1: And for Mitchell, I think he just kind of always

1878
01:42:21,160 --> 01:42:23,120
Speaker 1: thought it was going to be there for him. And

1879
01:42:23,680 --> 01:42:26,080
Speaker 1: then you had the situation in the incident where he

1880
01:42:26,160 --> 01:42:30,200
Speaker 1: dropped the ball. They disciplined him for that. I applaud

1881
01:42:30,280 --> 01:42:34,120
Speaker 1: that and he has yet to really get I mean, yeah,

1882
01:42:34,160 --> 01:42:38,960
Speaker 1: we saw him get one target and then obviously last

1883
01:42:39,000 --> 01:42:43,000
Speaker 1: week we know what happened. One area where you can

1884
01:42:43,040 --> 01:42:47,600
Speaker 1: be critical of Shane Steichen, and it's a fair critique,

1885
01:42:47,800 --> 01:42:54,200
Speaker 1: is if you disciplined ad Mitchell for dropping the football

1886
01:42:54,320 --> 01:42:58,160
Speaker 1: shy of the goal line, why didn't you do the

1887
01:42:58,200 --> 01:43:03,080
Speaker 1: same discipline to Jonathan Tayaylor because the discipline or the

1888
01:43:03,600 --> 01:43:07,439
Speaker 1: And maybe you could say because one player needed that

1889
01:43:07,560 --> 01:43:10,320
Speaker 1: kick more than the other, but did they because Taylor

1890
01:43:10,360 --> 01:43:14,599
Speaker 1: made that mistake. And you don't want the perception that

1891
01:43:14,680 --> 01:43:20,040
Speaker 1: you are favoring or distributing your punishment dependent upon or

1892
01:43:20,160 --> 01:43:23,920
Speaker 1: based upon the level of potential contribution from the player.

1893
01:43:25,360 --> 01:43:28,679
Speaker 1: But Steichen knows better than I, better than Corbin, better

1894
01:43:28,720 --> 01:43:35,679
Speaker 1: than you listening what behind the scenes and inside the building.

1895
01:43:35,960 --> 01:43:37,920
Speaker 1: You know, it's it's like my dad said to me

1896
01:43:37,960 --> 01:43:41,080
Speaker 1: when I was young. Look, Jake, you've got to make

1897
01:43:41,120 --> 01:43:45,680
Speaker 1: a decision here. You're going to make some mistakes. But

1898
01:43:45,960 --> 01:43:48,800
Speaker 1: what you need to figure out is are you a

1899
01:43:49,280 --> 01:43:53,760
Speaker 1: bad kid or you a good kid that makes bad mistakes?

1900
01:43:54,240 --> 01:43:56,080
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying eighty Mitchell is a bad guy,

1901
01:43:56,600 --> 01:44:01,519
Speaker 1: but are you a good player who made an occasional

1902
01:44:01,600 --> 01:44:05,160
Speaker 1: careless mistake, or you a careless player in general. And

1903
01:44:05,880 --> 01:44:08,439
Speaker 1: I will give benefit of the doubt to Shane Steiken

1904
01:44:08,520 --> 01:44:11,760
Speaker 1: and say that the reason why Mitchell had a more

1905
01:44:11,880 --> 01:44:16,400
Speaker 1: severe penalty for the same infraction than did Taylor is

1906
01:44:16,439 --> 01:44:19,559
Speaker 1: because of what Steichen saw not on the field, but

1907
01:44:19,680 --> 01:44:23,719
Speaker 1: rather each and every practice or day within the building,

1908
01:44:24,280 --> 01:44:27,759
Speaker 1: of what message needed to be sent or how urgent

1909
01:44:27,840 --> 01:44:31,240
Speaker 1: it was that the message is delivered.

1910
01:44:31,800 --> 01:44:36,879
Speaker 2: And so I think he's earned that benefit.

1911
01:44:37,000 --> 01:44:42,640
Speaker 1: Has Shane Steikeen partially because of the vociferous nature in

1912
01:44:42,720 --> 01:44:48,960
Speaker 1: which he told anybody that would listen that the quarterbacking

1913
01:44:49,040 --> 01:44:54,000
Speaker 1: situation and decision would come down to not even necessarily

1914
01:44:54,040 --> 01:44:56,880
Speaker 1: as much on the field as in the building. Because

1915
01:44:56,880 --> 01:44:59,680
Speaker 1: in reality, the quarterback situation, if you look at it

1916
01:44:59,720 --> 01:45:02,400
Speaker 1: and can't I don't know that you would say during

1917
01:45:02,439 --> 01:45:04,840
Speaker 1: the course of training camp that there was really any separation.

1918
01:45:06,400 --> 01:45:08,799
Speaker 1: You know, the same thing might be happening at Gambridge

1919
01:45:08,800 --> 01:45:14,440
Speaker 1: Fieldhouse or tomorrow night in San Antonio. We are awaiting

1920
01:45:14,520 --> 01:45:19,160
Speaker 1: to see who at the center position is going to

1921
01:45:19,160 --> 01:45:22,000
Speaker 1: be the one to separate themselves and win that job.

1922
01:45:22,200 --> 01:45:26,800
Speaker 1: We thought for sure Isaiah Jackson was the incumbent, and

1923
01:45:26,840 --> 01:45:31,639
Speaker 1: that James Weisman probably was his backup, and then your

1924
01:45:31,800 --> 01:45:34,599
Speaker 1: third guy that kind of alternates in and out as

1925
01:45:34,680 --> 01:45:40,080
Speaker 1: Jay Huff. Now, we've gone through and watched a little

1926
01:45:40,080 --> 01:45:44,640
Speaker 1: bit of repetition and sets in the preseason, and so

1927
01:45:44,800 --> 01:45:47,800
Speaker 1: far in doing so, what we see is that there

1928
01:45:47,880 --> 01:45:52,760
Speaker 1: is not as much the separation in terms of which

1929
01:45:52,760 --> 01:45:57,240
Speaker 1: of those guys is on the court separating themselves. So

1930
01:45:57,320 --> 01:46:00,679
Speaker 1: then it might come down to Rick Carlisle simply saying

1931
01:46:00,920 --> 01:46:03,559
Speaker 1: it's the one that I feel like has handled their

1932
01:46:03,680 --> 01:46:06,080
Speaker 1: lunch pale each day the way that I like.

1933
01:46:06,520 --> 01:46:08,200
Speaker 2: And that's the coach's prerogative.

1934
01:46:08,479 --> 01:46:14,479
Speaker 1: It's the coach's decision, right, Hey, Jay, So just like

1935
01:46:14,680 --> 01:46:18,120
Speaker 1: Ashton and Aaron Nesmith, you can just tell Corbyn to go,

1936
01:46:18,280 --> 01:46:21,080
Speaker 1: gadget go and he can fix anything. That from JJ

1937
01:46:21,120 --> 01:46:25,519
Speaker 1: and Muncy, Actually yes, because Corbyn is a man of right.

1938
01:46:25,560 --> 01:46:27,800
Speaker 1: Now he's wearing his course banquet hat, but he's a

1939
01:46:27,800 --> 01:46:31,200
Speaker 1: man of many hats. Corbyn can fix anything, isn't that right?

1940
01:46:31,200 --> 01:46:31,599
Speaker 2: Corbyn?

1941
01:46:31,640 --> 01:46:33,000
Speaker 1: Didn't you tell me just the other day you were

1942
01:46:33,000 --> 01:46:37,280
Speaker 1: fixing a deck, yo. That's what you do, right, You're

1943
01:46:37,280 --> 01:46:41,000
Speaker 1: the fix it guy? Now, are you comfortable with me?

1944
01:46:41,040 --> 01:46:42,120
Speaker 1: Calling you the fix it guy.

1945
01:46:42,960 --> 01:46:44,160
Speaker 3: They got no problem with it.

1946
01:46:45,680 --> 01:46:50,559
Speaker 1: Your new nickname is Fig. You're Newton, right, you're Fig

1947
01:46:50,600 --> 01:46:54,559
Speaker 1: Newton fix it guy, Fig. Right, that's Corbyn, Corbyn the

1948
01:46:54,600 --> 01:46:55,200
Speaker 1: fix it guy.

1949
01:46:56,120 --> 01:46:57,519
Speaker 3: I don't think that one's gonna stick.

1950
01:46:59,360 --> 01:47:03,160
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, how about copy your guy? You call that?

1951
01:47:03,800 --> 01:47:05,599
Speaker 3: Sure, we can go with copy your guy. Just don't

1952
01:47:05,640 --> 01:47:07,760
Speaker 3: ask me to go grab your ten page paper off

1953
01:47:07,800 --> 01:47:10,439
Speaker 3: the copy or when we get done today.

1954
01:47:10,479 --> 01:47:13,400
Speaker 1: Listen, if you think there's anything that I printed out

1955
01:47:13,400 --> 01:47:16,240
Speaker 1: that's ten pages or done any ten page papers anytime soon,

1956
01:47:16,280 --> 01:47:17,200
Speaker 1: then you know what I mean.

1957
01:47:17,240 --> 01:47:17,840
Speaker 2: I got some land.

1958
01:47:17,880 --> 01:47:22,519
Speaker 1: I'll sell you some basement land in Florida, right, hey, Jake.

1959
01:47:24,160 --> 01:47:27,759
Speaker 1: The difference also between Taylor's mistake and Adie Mitchell's mistake

1960
01:47:27,880 --> 01:47:31,040
Speaker 1: is after it happened with Taylor, they put in the

1961
01:47:31,080 --> 01:47:34,519
Speaker 1: procedure letters and logo to keep this from happening, and

1962
01:47:34,560 --> 01:47:36,800
Speaker 1: Mitchell did it anyway. That's true. You run to the

1963
01:47:36,880 --> 01:47:41,799
Speaker 1: letters in the logo. So Taylor was the example. With Taylor,

1964
01:47:41,840 --> 01:47:45,040
Speaker 1: I guess you could at least say, well, yeah, it

1965
01:47:45,080 --> 01:47:47,920
Speaker 1: hadn't we hadn't seen that before, so what the heck?

1966
01:47:48,439 --> 01:47:52,240
Speaker 1: In Mitchell's case, good point, hey, man, we already went

1967
01:47:52,320 --> 01:47:55,799
Speaker 1: over this, and you'd have to assume that it's something

1968
01:47:55,840 --> 01:48:04,360
Speaker 1: that they repeatedly just almost pounded in them, right, Hey, Jake,

1969
01:48:04,840 --> 01:48:07,799
Speaker 1: I always loved this question. Can you ask Matt Muney

1970
01:48:07,800 --> 01:48:09,800
Speaker 1: Smith when we had them on if he thinks the

1971
01:48:09,880 --> 01:48:12,280
Speaker 1: Angels the Anaheim Ducks should move to Indy.

1972
01:48:14,840 --> 01:48:15,559
Speaker 2: I'm telling you.

1973
01:48:17,439 --> 01:48:22,200
Speaker 1: Major League Baseball and Indie not gonna happen a couple

1974
01:48:22,200 --> 01:48:26,479
Speaker 1: of reasons. And I'm not saying I wouldn't want a

1975
01:48:26,479 --> 01:48:28,559
Speaker 1: major League team here. But I love the Indians I do.

1976
01:48:30,120 --> 01:48:33,920
Speaker 1: I love the Schumacher family, I love Randy Lewandowski, I

1977
01:48:33,960 --> 01:48:37,320
Speaker 1: love the new imaging. I love everything about the Indianapolis Indians.

1978
01:48:37,360 --> 01:48:41,240
Speaker 1: I love the fact that the name itself that when

1979
01:48:41,280 --> 01:48:45,240
Speaker 1: there was speculation or discussion about whether or not they

1980
01:48:45,280 --> 01:48:48,120
Speaker 1: should change the name away from Indians like Cleveland had done,

1981
01:48:48,960 --> 01:48:52,200
Speaker 1: they instead sat down and said, how can we do

1982
01:48:52,280 --> 01:48:56,040
Speaker 1: this as an honor to people that are Native American?

1983
01:48:56,600 --> 01:49:00,519
Speaker 1: And they partnered with the Miami Nation Tribe to say,

1984
01:49:00,600 --> 01:49:02,400
Speaker 1: you know, what sort of things can we do that

1985
01:49:03,120 --> 01:49:07,840
Speaker 1: are paying tribute? Just even that is so classy. But

1986
01:49:07,960 --> 01:49:10,200
Speaker 1: I love the new logo, of the new color scheme,

1987
01:49:10,240 --> 01:49:13,080
Speaker 1: all of it's great love the Indians, but major League

1988
01:49:13,120 --> 01:49:17,280
Speaker 1: Baseball in Indianapolis. Now, NHL might be a different story,

1989
01:49:18,560 --> 01:49:22,240
Speaker 1: but major League Baseball in Indianapolis, I don't think ever

1990
01:49:22,360 --> 01:49:24,600
Speaker 1: comes here, at least not in any sort of a

1991
01:49:24,720 --> 01:49:32,679
Speaker 1: near future, because I remember vividly. It's a long time ago,

1992
01:49:33,000 --> 01:49:37,160
Speaker 1: so long ago that when I saw Harry Carey, that

1993
01:49:37,240 --> 01:49:40,599
Speaker 1: alone tells you it was a long time ago. Get

1994
01:49:40,600 --> 01:49:42,960
Speaker 1: out of a limousine on Monument Circle right here below

1995
01:49:43,000 --> 01:49:47,600
Speaker 1: where I'm sitting in nineteen eighty five, eighty four or

1996
01:49:47,600 --> 01:49:52,519
Speaker 1: eighty five, I think it was eighty five, and Harry

1997
01:49:52,600 --> 01:49:55,920
Speaker 1: Carey was here as part of a ground swell to

1998
01:49:56,040 --> 01:50:00,280
Speaker 1: get season ticket buyers for the Indianapolis Arrows, which was

1999
01:50:00,320 --> 01:50:05,559
Speaker 1: going to be a Major League expansion team, and Art

2000
01:50:05,600 --> 01:50:09,640
Speaker 1: and Gotti had sold already started selling season tickets. They

2001
01:50:09,680 --> 01:50:12,400
Speaker 1: had a hat designed, they had everything, the Indianapolis Arrows,

2002
01:50:12,880 --> 01:50:17,920
Speaker 1: and at the literally at the eleventh hour, the Saint

2003
01:50:17,920 --> 01:50:22,080
Speaker 1: Louis Cardinals, the Chicago Cubs, the Cincinnati Reds. I don't

2004
01:50:22,120 --> 01:50:26,360
Speaker 1: know exactly which franchises, I'm certain those maybe the Detroit

2005
01:50:26,400 --> 01:50:29,520
Speaker 1: Tigers as well are the White Sox, but several organizations

2006
01:50:29,600 --> 01:50:32,080
Speaker 1: in Major League Baseball from among the Midwest got together

2007
01:50:32,120 --> 01:50:35,719
Speaker 1: and said it would be too detrimental to our ticket

2008
01:50:35,760 --> 01:50:39,280
Speaker 1: buying audience, and so they basically blocked Indianapolis getting an

2009
01:50:39,360 --> 01:50:43,120
Speaker 1: MLB team and everything kind of vaporized from there. The

2010
01:50:43,240 --> 01:50:46,360
Speaker 1: NHL is a possibility, I would think, because there is

2011
01:50:46,360 --> 01:50:48,760
Speaker 1: a loyal and I love the Fuel too, and I

2012
01:50:48,800 --> 01:50:51,000
Speaker 1: love going to their games and going up to the

2013
01:50:51,000 --> 01:50:53,559
Speaker 1: Fishers Events Center and they've got a military night coming

2014
01:50:53,600 --> 01:50:56,200
Speaker 1: up that will tell you about that's awesome. I love

2015
01:50:56,240 --> 01:50:59,120
Speaker 1: going to Fuel games that there is definitely a thirst

2016
01:50:59,120 --> 01:51:01,920
Speaker 1: for hockey in town that is being quenched by the

2017
01:51:01,920 --> 01:51:07,720
Speaker 1: Fuel because they're great. But would NHL hockey work in

2018
01:51:07,800 --> 01:51:10,880
Speaker 1: terms of sharing the interest over the course of the

2019
01:51:10,920 --> 01:51:13,679
Speaker 1: winter with all of the basketball enthusiasm in this town.

2020
01:51:13,920 --> 01:51:17,400
Speaker 1: And then MLS we've talked about once it got away

2021
01:51:17,560 --> 01:51:24,479
Speaker 1: from I think the MLS essentially they were approached with, hey,

2022
01:51:25,720 --> 01:51:29,120
Speaker 1: we have a potential overseas investor that could bring the

2023
01:51:29,240 --> 01:51:32,360
Speaker 1: MLS to Indianapolis. But the MLS said, we'd be willing

2024
01:51:32,360 --> 01:51:33,760
Speaker 1: to do that, but you have to go with this

2025
01:51:33,920 --> 01:51:37,640
Speaker 1: ownership group and not the current ownership group of the

2026
01:51:37,640 --> 01:51:40,080
Speaker 1: Indie eleven in Indianapolis, and you would need to go

2027
01:51:40,160 --> 01:51:44,000
Speaker 1: with a separate stadium venture, which they have the land

2028
01:51:44,040 --> 01:51:46,720
Speaker 1: for near Gamebridge, but that also has kind of gone

2029
01:51:46,720 --> 01:51:49,960
Speaker 1: on the back burner a little bit, so we'll see

2030
01:51:50,000 --> 01:51:54,040
Speaker 1: what happens there. If I had to say MLS or NHL,

2031
01:51:56,240 --> 01:51:59,639
Speaker 1: very far out possibility also because of the MLS entry

2032
01:51:59,640 --> 01:52:05,360
Speaker 1: fee expansion, but way bigger odds than ever MLB. Did

2033
01:52:05,400 --> 01:52:06,160
Speaker 1: you say Corbin?

2034
01:52:06,439 --> 01:52:07,679
Speaker 2: Yeah or nay? I'm Matt Taylor.

2035
01:52:08,160 --> 01:52:08,400
Speaker 3: Yay.

2036
01:52:09,080 --> 01:52:16,320
Speaker 1: Matt Taylor, Voice of the Colts. Next JMV. Is it

2037
01:52:16,560 --> 01:52:20,439
Speaker 1: Joe's grill in Westfield? We will throw it out to

2038
01:52:20,520 --> 01:52:22,880
Speaker 1: him here in about thirty minutes or so, But before

2039
01:52:22,920 --> 01:52:25,640
Speaker 1: we do so, and it has come by very specific

2040
01:52:25,680 --> 01:52:29,160
Speaker 1: request that our next guest apparently and I know that

2041
01:52:29,240 --> 01:52:33,280
Speaker 1: obviously Matt Taylor has done Don Fisher impersonations. I am

2042
01:52:33,360 --> 01:52:36,840
Speaker 1: told on the text line, Hey, Jake, can you please

2043
01:52:36,880 --> 01:52:39,640
Speaker 1: ask Matt Taylor to do his impression of JMV. It

2044
01:52:39,720 --> 01:52:41,759
Speaker 1: is spot on and I have not heard it forever.

2045
01:52:42,800 --> 01:52:44,840
Speaker 1: Matt Taylor, that is true or false that you do

2046
01:52:44,880 --> 01:52:45,960
Speaker 1: a jamb impersonation.

2047
01:52:46,960 --> 01:52:48,800
Speaker 5: Here's the deal, Jake, I mean, where do you want

2048
01:52:48,800 --> 01:52:51,479
Speaker 5: to start with this bad boy? We just heard the promo, right,

2049
01:52:51,520 --> 01:52:55,280
Speaker 5: there from the great Rick ventury five and one offense

2050
01:52:55,439 --> 01:52:59,519
Speaker 5: off the charts defense as of last year no longer

2051
01:52:59,560 --> 01:53:04,320
Speaker 5: football are It is absolutely fans stink fantastic to be

2052
01:53:04,400 --> 01:53:05,000
Speaker 5: on your show.

2053
01:53:07,920 --> 01:53:10,280
Speaker 2: By the way, is Matt Taylor there also? Just out

2054
01:53:10,320 --> 01:53:11,479
Speaker 2: of curiosity.

2055
01:53:12,400 --> 01:53:14,320
Speaker 5: Here's the deal, Jake, I mean, where do you want

2056
01:53:14,320 --> 01:53:17,559
Speaker 5: to start here? I got three hours. I got three hours.

2057
01:53:17,600 --> 01:53:20,360
Speaker 5: I want you, I want me, and we are live

2058
01:53:20,520 --> 01:53:23,200
Speaker 5: at whatever tavern you just said that. I am live

2059
01:53:23,240 --> 01:53:28,240
Speaker 5: at here. I follow my savings, follow my voice. I

2060
01:53:28,280 --> 01:53:31,879
Speaker 5: will pied Piper you down the line, admire the official

2061
01:53:31,920 --> 01:53:35,759
Speaker 5: supercenter of the Ride with JMV. Here, Jake, We're gonna

2062
01:53:35,800 --> 01:53:38,519
Speaker 5: have a fan stink fantastic time here for the next

2063
01:53:38,560 --> 01:53:41,559
Speaker 5: three hours. I'm gonna drink, people are gonna come up

2064
01:53:41,600 --> 01:53:43,759
Speaker 5: to me, I'm gonna talk on the air. It's gonna

2065
01:53:43,760 --> 01:53:48,320
Speaker 5: be awesometime here three hours of the ride with JMV

2066
01:53:48,520 --> 01:53:50,439
Speaker 5: on the fan bad boy, this is awesome.

2067
01:53:50,680 --> 01:53:53,680
Speaker 1: Now here's the thing. I will know I've arrived and

2068
01:53:53,720 --> 01:53:55,519
Speaker 1: I've been here long enough when you finally have an

2069
01:53:55,560 --> 01:53:56,400
Speaker 1: impersonation of me.

2070
01:53:56,439 --> 01:53:59,360
Speaker 2: I'll be honest with you. I don't even want to

2071
01:53:59,400 --> 01:54:01,439
Speaker 2: know which words I say all the time. But I

2072
01:54:01,439 --> 01:54:02,679
Speaker 2: know they're out there, right.

2073
01:54:03,360 --> 01:54:05,639
Speaker 5: He's listen. It's all in jest, right, it's all.

2074
01:54:05,720 --> 01:54:07,200
Speaker 2: Of course solid though.

2075
01:54:07,240 --> 01:54:10,000
Speaker 5: That's solid, right, I say it all the time, like

2076
01:54:10,160 --> 01:54:12,320
Speaker 5: if that means people are paying attention to you know

2077
01:54:12,320 --> 01:54:15,040
Speaker 5: what I mean? That's that's I think a high praise,

2078
01:54:15,080 --> 01:54:17,240
Speaker 5: a high Uh. It's the ultimate compliment.

2079
01:54:17,400 --> 01:54:20,120
Speaker 1: It is, indeed, all right, Matt, let's let's talk about this.

2080
01:54:20,320 --> 01:54:23,360
Speaker 1: The the ultimate compliment for the Colts is the fact

2081
01:54:23,400 --> 01:54:25,240
Speaker 1: that they are right now the number one seed in

2082
01:54:25,280 --> 01:54:27,320
Speaker 1: the AFC if the playoffs begin today, which guess what,

2083
01:54:27,479 --> 01:54:30,679
Speaker 1: they don't. But this is one to me that's tricky

2084
01:54:30,680 --> 01:54:33,440
Speaker 1: with the Chargers because at the beginning of the year

2085
01:54:33,760 --> 01:54:36,760
Speaker 1: it jumped out as probably would you would say, what

2086
01:54:36,800 --> 01:54:39,200
Speaker 1: one of the two or three toughest matchups on paper.

2087
01:54:40,640 --> 01:54:43,320
Speaker 1: But here we are now and it's still a challenge.

2088
01:54:43,600 --> 01:54:45,840
Speaker 1: But obviously the culture playing. Well, what jumps out at

2089
01:54:45,880 --> 01:54:49,560
Speaker 1: you about the Chargers that maybe we didn't anticipate.

2090
01:54:50,960 --> 01:54:54,320
Speaker 5: Well, they're banged up and they're slowly starting to get healthy.

2091
01:54:54,360 --> 01:54:56,960
Speaker 5: I mean, their offensive lines just been in shambles. They've

2092
01:54:56,960 --> 01:54:58,880
Speaker 5: had some key injuries on both sides of the ball

2093
01:54:58,960 --> 01:55:02,520
Speaker 5: to some skill players, you know, Quinton Johnston didn't play

2094
01:55:02,640 --> 01:55:05,760
Speaker 5: last week, but I think he's trending towards having a

2095
01:55:05,760 --> 01:55:08,520
Speaker 5: pretty good chance of playing on Sunday. I think they're

2096
01:55:08,600 --> 01:55:11,840
Speaker 5: really deceiving because you know, right now, they're still like

2097
01:55:11,880 --> 01:55:13,720
Speaker 5: look at them on offense, they're right right, they're only

2098
01:55:13,720 --> 01:55:17,880
Speaker 5: scoring about twenty one points per game, but they are

2099
01:55:18,000 --> 01:55:21,760
Speaker 5: top ten and just about everything, I mean, rushing and

2100
01:55:21,920 --> 01:55:27,600
Speaker 5: passing third down. What's really killing them is just red zone.

2101
01:55:27,640 --> 01:55:30,080
Speaker 5: They are the worst red zone team in the NFL.

2102
01:55:30,200 --> 01:55:33,400
Speaker 5: So for whatever reason, they just can't finish drives. They

2103
01:55:33,440 --> 01:55:37,600
Speaker 5: only have seven red zone touchdowns the entire season, so

2104
01:55:37,640 --> 01:55:40,400
Speaker 5: if they were able to finish more drives off they

2105
01:55:40,440 --> 01:55:42,480
Speaker 5: would be I think right there. Kind of the same

2106
01:55:42,520 --> 01:55:46,600
Speaker 5: conversation with the Colts, as you know, elite offense and

2107
01:55:47,240 --> 01:55:49,400
Speaker 5: really tough to game plan for. And I think they

2108
01:55:49,440 --> 01:55:53,280
Speaker 5: are right. They've got three receivers over three hundred yards.

2109
01:55:53,840 --> 01:55:55,440
Speaker 5: You know, they got a pretty good up and coming

2110
01:55:55,520 --> 01:55:59,120
Speaker 5: tight end and Ronde Gatson. You know, the running game

2111
01:55:59,200 --> 01:56:02,720
Speaker 5: has sustain even though they've had some key injuries to

2112
01:56:02,760 --> 01:56:06,920
Speaker 5: their top backs, Naji Harris and Omari and Hampton. Harris

2113
01:56:07,000 --> 01:56:10,320
Speaker 5: is on ir for the season. Hampton, I think has

2114
01:56:10,360 --> 01:56:13,280
Speaker 5: a good chance to come back sooner than later, but

2115
01:56:13,360 --> 01:56:16,880
Speaker 5: that leaves them with Hassan Haskins and Kamani Videll, and

2116
01:56:17,240 --> 01:56:20,440
Speaker 5: you know, Videll last week stepped up and ran over

2117
01:56:20,480 --> 01:56:24,160
Speaker 5: one hundred yards. And to me, the Chargers, Jake kind

2118
01:56:24,160 --> 01:56:27,200
Speaker 5: of look like when I look at him on the surface,

2119
01:56:27,800 --> 01:56:30,280
Speaker 5: they kind of look like they remind me of like

2120
01:56:30,360 --> 01:56:36,200
Speaker 5: the twenty fifteen twenty sixteen Colts right where they've got

2121
01:56:36,200 --> 01:56:39,120
Speaker 5: a lot of injuries and it just seems like the

2122
01:56:39,200 --> 01:56:41,600
Speaker 5: quarterback is good enough to just kind of carry them,

2123
01:56:41,600 --> 01:56:43,680
Speaker 5: you know what I mean, like keep them in every game.

2124
01:56:44,480 --> 01:56:47,320
Speaker 5: And that's what Justin Herbert is able to do. And

2125
01:56:47,360 --> 01:56:50,880
Speaker 5: he's coached really well by Jim Harball. Really, they had

2126
01:56:50,920 --> 01:56:54,440
Speaker 5: no business winning that game the other day, but they were.

2127
01:56:54,640 --> 01:56:56,520
Speaker 5: You know, they got a good kickoff return at the

2128
01:56:56,680 --> 01:56:59,960
Speaker 5: end and then Herbert made the great play the Wuddian

2129
01:57:00,200 --> 01:57:03,240
Speaker 5: climbing up in the pocket, hits Lad mcconkee for a

2130
01:57:03,240 --> 01:57:05,720
Speaker 5: big game and then they win a walk off winner.

2131
01:57:05,840 --> 01:57:09,000
Speaker 5: So they're a very good team despite some of their

2132
01:57:09,040 --> 01:57:11,920
Speaker 5: overall statistics. But I think if they were better in

2133
01:57:11,960 --> 01:57:13,800
Speaker 5: the red zone, they would be one of the best

2134
01:57:13,840 --> 01:57:15,600
Speaker 5: elite teams. In the NFL on offense.

2135
01:57:15,680 --> 01:57:17,920
Speaker 1: But you know, one of the signs of a good team, Matt,

2136
01:57:17,960 --> 01:57:20,360
Speaker 1: Let's be real, and I know it's a cliche. Good

2137
01:57:20,400 --> 01:57:22,680
Speaker 1: teams find ways to win games, right. You know, you

2138
01:57:22,720 --> 01:57:25,880
Speaker 1: look at whether we're talking about IU or for that matter,

2139
01:57:25,920 --> 01:57:29,440
Speaker 1: for the Colts this year games. To me, the Colts

2140
01:57:29,480 --> 01:57:33,920
Speaker 1: game against Arizona was signed of a good team because

2141
01:57:33,920 --> 01:57:36,520
Speaker 1: they kind of slogged their way through that game, but

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Speaker 1: when it came down to it, they made the plays

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01:57:38,840 --> 01:57:40,800
Speaker 1: they needed to to win. And that's what good to

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01:57:40,880 --> 01:57:41,800
Speaker 1: great teams do, right.

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01:57:42,960 --> 01:57:45,280
Speaker 5: And I think last Sunday's game is way more than

2146
01:57:45,360 --> 01:57:48,200
Speaker 5: norm in the NFL than the previous Sunday's game. When

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01:57:48,240 --> 01:57:51,080
Speaker 5: you blow out the Raiders forty to six. I mean,

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01:57:51,080 --> 01:57:55,160
Speaker 5: I think Jacoby Brissett and you know some of their backs,

2149
01:57:55,200 --> 01:57:57,080
Speaker 5: Michael Kurter, I mean they were down their top two

2150
01:57:57,080 --> 01:57:59,720
Speaker 5: backs last week as well. I mean, the NFL is

2151
01:57:59,760 --> 01:58:02,600
Speaker 5: just man up and these guys are just krim to lakrim.

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01:58:02,720 --> 01:58:05,680
Speaker 5: I think that's what most people don't really understand, is

2153
01:58:05,680 --> 01:58:08,320
Speaker 5: like there's just not a huge drop off at at

2154
01:58:08,880 --> 01:58:12,120
Speaker 5: most positions. I mean, you can plug and play because

2155
01:58:12,120 --> 01:58:14,800
Speaker 5: they're just these guys are so good, and every team

2156
01:58:14,840 --> 01:58:17,280
Speaker 5: is operating under the salary cap, right, I mean, every

2157
01:58:17,280 --> 01:58:20,160
Speaker 5: team has only so much money to pay their guys,

2158
01:58:20,200 --> 01:58:22,040
Speaker 5: which means there's gonna be a lot of parody in

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01:58:22,080 --> 01:58:25,160
Speaker 5: the NFL, which is why all of these games seemingly

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01:58:25,240 --> 01:58:29,160
Speaker 5: come down to the fourth quarter and the final four minutes.

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01:58:29,560 --> 01:58:33,040
Speaker 5: That's why it's way more, you know, the exception than

2162
01:58:33,040 --> 01:58:37,160
Speaker 5: the rule to see the Colts blow three teams out

2163
01:58:37,200 --> 01:58:40,640
Speaker 5: by twenty plus points. It just hasn't happened here since

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01:58:40,640 --> 01:58:44,000
Speaker 5: twenty twenty one, so I thought it was important, especially

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Speaker 5: the way that the day started for the Colts. Jake.

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01:58:46,480 --> 01:58:49,800
Speaker 5: I mean, you know, two major injuries before the game

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01:58:49,840 --> 01:58:52,640
Speaker 5: even starts. Like what I'm thinking to myself in the

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01:58:52,640 --> 01:58:55,080
Speaker 5: press box, like what what is going on? Like this

2169
01:58:55,160 --> 01:58:57,440
Speaker 5: is this is unheard of? And then it's you know,

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Speaker 5: you're you're you're starting. You know, your top corner back

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01:59:00,400 --> 01:59:03,440
Speaker 5: is unavailable to play, and that changes the personnel, It

2172
01:59:03,560 --> 01:59:05,920
Speaker 5: certainly changes the game plan. It's kind of a scramble

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01:59:06,040 --> 01:59:09,000
Speaker 5: job by lou Anne Rumo and the defensive staff to

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Speaker 5: make it work, and they did make it work. It

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01:59:11,440 --> 01:59:14,160
Speaker 5: wasn't pretty, but they got to stop when they needed it.

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01:59:14,200 --> 01:59:17,040
Speaker 5: Was fourth down inside the ten yard line under minute

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Speaker 5: to go. So yeah, I think that was very indicative

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Speaker 5: of where the cults are at right now, just finding

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Speaker 5: a way to win. And that's what good teams do,

2180
01:59:25,520 --> 01:59:28,360
Speaker 5: is just make more plays in crunch time. The offense

2181
01:59:28,400 --> 01:59:31,840
Speaker 5: score two fourth quarter touchdowns, the defense got the stop

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01:59:31,920 --> 01:59:35,120
Speaker 5: they needed and it was just enough. And more often

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01:59:35,160 --> 01:59:37,160
Speaker 5: than not in the NFL, that's what it comes down to.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So let's talk about the injuries. You know, a

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01:59:39,640 --> 01:59:43,600
Speaker 1: couple of them. Josh Downs not practicing yesterday due to concussion,

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01:59:43,680 --> 01:59:47,080
Speaker 1: Ashton Dulan didn't practice yesterday due to a chest injury.

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01:59:47,440 --> 01:59:51,200
Speaker 1: Obviously we know now Anthony Richardson on ir after that incident,

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01:59:51,240 --> 01:59:53,600
Speaker 1: and then Mooney Ward with the concussion. Where do things

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01:59:53,640 --> 01:59:55,480
Speaker 1: stand right down.

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Speaker 5: Matt, Well, that's currently where they're at too. So the

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01:59:58,520 --> 02:00:00,440
Speaker 5: practice report is going to come out here in about

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Speaker 5: an hour, right around four o'clock. And you know the

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Speaker 5: one I'm gonna be watching the most is probably Josh Downs,

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Speaker 5: I mean, Sarvarius Ward. I mean, this is really unfortunate

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Speaker 5: for him. Right this is a second concussion of the season,

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Speaker 5: and it's just hard. History shows us that and rightfully

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Speaker 5: so it should be hard for players and the and

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Speaker 5: the idea of player safety. It should be tough to

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Speaker 5: come back from a concussion a week later. It's tough

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Speaker 5: to clear the five step process. And that's on purpose

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Speaker 5: because you know the NFL wants to continue player safety

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Speaker 5: with head injuries, and so you know that's in place

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Speaker 5: for a reason. So I think ward is it's gonna

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02:00:38,080 --> 02:00:42,280
Speaker 5: be tough. I don't know where Josh Downs is because

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Speaker 5: there just wasn't. I mean, they didn't report that until

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Speaker 5: the injury report came out yesterday, So you know, you

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02:00:48,160 --> 02:00:50,720
Speaker 5: can't sit here and speculate. Okay, maybe on Monday or

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02:00:50,760 --> 02:00:53,440
Speaker 5: Tuesday he cleared a couple of those phases and then

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Speaker 5: yesterday was still in the protocol, and it has a

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Speaker 5: decent chance. I mean, we're not going to know on

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02:00:59,520 --> 02:01:02,360
Speaker 5: that until tomorrow when Shane Stiken meets with the media.

2212
02:01:02,720 --> 02:01:05,280
Speaker 5: But I'll be really interested to see where Josh Downs

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02:01:05,400 --> 02:01:07,400
Speaker 5: is here in terms of the injury reporting about an

2214
02:01:07,440 --> 02:01:10,960
Speaker 5: hour because he's the big one. I'm not saying he's

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02:01:11,000 --> 02:01:14,360
Speaker 5: not replaceable, but man, he's just so good in the slot.

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02:01:14,440 --> 02:01:16,600
Speaker 5: I mean, he's already one of the best slot receivers

2217
02:01:16,600 --> 02:01:19,960
Speaker 5: in the game, he's clutched for the Colts on third down.

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02:01:20,760 --> 02:01:23,240
Speaker 5: I think he's got the second most first down catches

2219
02:01:23,280 --> 02:01:26,520
Speaker 5: this year among slot receivers, and so he just does

2220
02:01:26,560 --> 02:01:28,880
Speaker 5: a lot for you in those short yardage situations in

2221
02:01:28,880 --> 02:01:31,600
Speaker 5: the passing game. And so how the Colts would adjust

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02:01:32,000 --> 02:01:34,960
Speaker 5: with his absence is a big storyline going into this game.

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Speaker 2: Matt.

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Speaker 1: When you look at Matt Taylor is our guest, he's

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02:01:38,120 --> 02:01:40,400
Speaker 1: on the Java house, peel and poor guest line. When

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02:01:40,440 --> 02:01:44,879
Speaker 1: you look at the Colts overall, and maybe the scenario,

2227
02:01:44,880 --> 02:01:46,560
Speaker 1: they've already been tested and been able to prove it.

2228
02:01:46,600 --> 02:01:48,720
Speaker 1: But in your opinion, the area where they have the

2229
02:01:48,840 --> 02:01:50,360
Speaker 1: most depth is where.

2230
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Speaker 5: Oh that's a good question. I mean a lot of areas,

2231
02:01:57,200 --> 02:02:00,320
Speaker 5: which is good. I mean, just initially thinking about there's

2232
02:02:00,320 --> 02:02:02,360
Speaker 5: a couple of answers that come into my head. I mean,

2233
02:02:03,320 --> 02:02:05,760
Speaker 5: I think offensive line. I mean, you still have, you know,

2234
02:02:05,800 --> 02:02:09,840
Speaker 5: guys like Danny Pinter and Dalton Tucker. You know, I

2235
02:02:09,880 --> 02:02:13,760
Speaker 5: think you're you're pretty good there. Defensive line. You know,

2236
02:02:13,760 --> 02:02:16,480
Speaker 5: you've had some guys really show up the last couple

2237
02:02:16,560 --> 02:02:20,440
Speaker 5: of weeks, and specifically in the interior of that defensive line,

2238
02:02:20,480 --> 02:02:23,160
Speaker 5: like Neville Gallimore, and I think's playing pretty well. And

2239
02:02:23,200 --> 02:02:25,000
Speaker 5: the guy that I think has taking a big step

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02:02:25,080 --> 02:02:27,800
Speaker 5: from year two to year three, or maybe it's year

2241
02:02:27,840 --> 02:02:29,480
Speaker 5: three to year four now that I think about it,

2242
02:02:29,520 --> 02:02:31,800
Speaker 5: because drafted in twenty two is at a tamil out

2243
02:02:31,800 --> 02:02:34,560
Speaker 5: of Barre. He's really done a nice job. And we've

2244
02:02:34,560 --> 02:02:37,080
Speaker 5: talked about this before in the past, right when when

2245
02:02:37,120 --> 02:02:39,480
Speaker 5: Buckner and Stewart are out of the game. In the past,

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02:02:39,520 --> 02:02:41,440
Speaker 5: it's just been kind of like, you know, there's a

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02:02:41,440 --> 02:02:43,520
Speaker 5: guy up in the press box for the opposing team

2248
02:02:44,480 --> 02:02:47,080
Speaker 5: with binoculars and he's relaying down to the head coach

2249
02:02:47,200 --> 02:02:49,880
Speaker 5: or the offensive coordinator is saying, hey, ninety nine and

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02:02:49,960 --> 02:02:52,160
Speaker 5: ninety you're out of the game. Let's pound it. And

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02:02:52,200 --> 02:02:54,760
Speaker 5: that's what they've done. Teams have done to the Colts.

2252
02:02:54,880 --> 02:02:58,760
Speaker 5: They just haven't had that backup interior tackle depth, and

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02:02:58,800 --> 02:03:01,800
Speaker 5: I think out of Barres giving him that depth and

2254
02:03:01,800 --> 02:03:04,480
Speaker 5: and and that productivity both in the run game and

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02:03:04,680 --> 02:03:07,520
Speaker 5: in his pass rush too. So that's been good to see.

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02:03:08,880 --> 02:03:12,440
Speaker 5: You know, wide receiver is a good depth uh position.

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02:03:12,600 --> 02:03:15,680
Speaker 5: I mean when when things are normal. Obviously right now

2258
02:03:15,680 --> 02:03:18,640
Speaker 5: things aren't normal with with Josh downs being the concussion

2259
02:03:18,680 --> 02:03:21,680
Speaker 5: protocol and Ashton Dolan, as you said, dealing with the

2260
02:03:21,760 --> 02:03:24,600
Speaker 5: chest injury, and then also too, I mean, ad Mitchell

2261
02:03:24,640 --> 02:03:26,920
Speaker 5: still in the doghouse right He was relegated to an

2262
02:03:26,960 --> 02:03:30,080
Speaker 5: active list last week and we'll see where that is.

2263
02:03:31,320 --> 02:03:33,960
Speaker 5: But if those two guys can't play, Mitchell's got a play,

2264
02:03:34,080 --> 02:03:36,320
Speaker 5: and it'll be interesting to see and Matt how he's

2265
02:03:36,360 --> 02:03:38,000
Speaker 5: matured and how he's bounced back from.

2266
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Speaker 1: That, and that, you know what I was saying, for

2267
02:03:40,280 --> 02:03:44,120
Speaker 1: his confidence standpoint, this might be what's needed is for

2268
02:03:44,200 --> 02:03:46,760
Speaker 1: them to go to him and say we need you.

2269
02:03:47,400 --> 02:03:49,360
Speaker 1: It's not We're not just putting you out there because

2270
02:03:49,360 --> 02:03:51,640
Speaker 1: you were a top draft pick and we see potential

2271
02:03:51,640 --> 02:03:51,840
Speaker 1: in you.

2272
02:03:52,080 --> 02:03:53,520
Speaker 2: We actually need you.

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Speaker 1: And for you know, for the first time, maybe he

2274
02:03:55,560 --> 02:03:58,680
Speaker 1: he'll realize And that sounds condescending, but you got what

2275
02:03:58,720 --> 02:03:59,360
Speaker 1: I'm saying.

2276
02:03:59,160 --> 02:04:01,360
Speaker 2: Right that that that will awaken him.

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02:04:01,520 --> 02:04:02,880
Speaker 1: Before I let you go, I wanted to ask you

2278
02:04:02,920 --> 02:04:04,920
Speaker 1: about one other guy, because you have to, Matt Taylor.

2279
02:04:04,960 --> 02:04:07,000
Speaker 1: As the voice of the Colts, you literally watch every

2280
02:04:07,000 --> 02:04:12,000
Speaker 1: snap and one guy that I have been impressed by.

2281
02:04:12,040 --> 02:04:14,480
Speaker 1: But I want you to tell me if my if

2282
02:04:14,520 --> 02:04:17,160
Speaker 1: I'm giving too much credit here, not that he hasn't

2283
02:04:17,200 --> 02:04:21,920
Speaker 1: played well. But I think Tanner BORDERLINI to me, has

2284
02:04:22,080 --> 02:04:24,760
Speaker 1: really been impressive because not only has he is he

2285
02:04:24,880 --> 02:04:28,120
Speaker 1: locked down just that position, but I watch him as

2286
02:04:28,160 --> 02:04:33,400
Speaker 1: well almost a center doesn't pull per se, but he

2287
02:04:33,480 --> 02:04:37,920
Speaker 1: will continue and follow through a block. In spring, Jonathan

2288
02:04:37,960 --> 02:04:42,560
Speaker 1: Taylor notably open in situations that I think is impressive

2289
02:04:42,640 --> 02:04:45,280
Speaker 1: and beyond almost even what you would expect. And for

2290
02:04:45,320 --> 02:04:48,360
Speaker 1: a guy that you know was a spot fill in

2291
02:04:48,440 --> 02:04:51,000
Speaker 1: last year and now a full time starter, I think

2292
02:04:51,040 --> 02:04:55,560
Speaker 1: he has been very very solid your thoughts.

2293
02:04:54,600 --> 02:04:57,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, agreed. I mean he's been an iron man out there.

2294
02:04:57,000 --> 02:04:58,879
Speaker 5: I mean he's played one hundred percent of the snaps

2295
02:04:58,920 --> 02:05:01,080
Speaker 5: and four of the six games this season, and the

2296
02:05:01,120 --> 02:05:03,120
Speaker 5: only reason why he didn't play one hundred percent in

2297
02:05:03,160 --> 02:05:05,520
Speaker 5: the other games is because the Coults are beating the

2298
02:05:05,560 --> 02:05:07,600
Speaker 5: crap out of teams, you know what I mean. And

2299
02:05:07,680 --> 02:05:10,240
Speaker 5: he's done a really really good job, like you said,

2300
02:05:10,280 --> 02:05:13,200
Speaker 5: of opening up runs in the interior of the offensive

2301
02:05:13,240 --> 02:05:16,480
Speaker 5: line for Jonathan Taylor. Uh. I mean, those guys are

2302
02:05:16,520 --> 02:05:20,240
Speaker 5: just playing so well. I mean, gonzalveez Is he's really

2303
02:05:20,320 --> 02:05:22,960
Speaker 5: assimilating well to his new position at right guard, and

2304
02:05:22,960 --> 02:05:26,200
Speaker 5: then obviously Quentin Nelson just he's on another level. I mean,

2305
02:05:26,200 --> 02:05:28,760
Speaker 5: he just I mean, Rick, you asked Rick Venturi about

2306
02:05:28,800 --> 02:05:30,960
Speaker 5: Quentin Nelson, and I hope you got about three hours

2307
02:05:31,000 --> 02:05:33,680
Speaker 5: because he's gonna talk your ear off about how well

2308
02:05:33,720 --> 02:05:36,120
Speaker 5: he's playing. No doubt, he's one of the best guards

2309
02:05:36,680 --> 02:05:38,880
Speaker 5: in the league. And you know, Shane Stikeen the other

2310
02:05:39,000 --> 02:05:41,200
Speaker 5: day kind of called him. I know, we're kind of

2311
02:05:41,240 --> 02:05:43,280
Speaker 5: veering off on Nelson a little bit, but you know,

2312
02:05:43,360 --> 02:05:47,640
Speaker 5: Shane stike and actually schemes up ways to get Nelson,

2313
02:05:48,080 --> 02:05:50,560
Speaker 5: you know, sort of out of the pocket on the move,

2314
02:05:50,760 --> 02:05:52,640
Speaker 5: so that he can be a road grater and kind

2315
02:05:52,640 --> 02:05:55,360
Speaker 5: of a lead blocker for you know, whether it's Daniel

2316
02:05:55,440 --> 02:05:58,920
Speaker 5: Jones on a rollout or you know, a polling guard

2317
02:05:59,040 --> 02:06:02,480
Speaker 5: for for Jonathan Taylor. But yeah, going back to Bordolini,

2318
02:06:02,560 --> 02:06:05,800
Speaker 5: he's you can tell he's really comfortable in year number two,

2319
02:06:05,960 --> 02:06:08,160
Speaker 5: settling in with the idea that he's going to be

2320
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Speaker 5: the starting center for this team for for a long

2321
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Speaker 5: long time. And he's remained durable. He's playing at a

2322
02:06:14,760 --> 02:06:17,800
Speaker 5: high level, and you can tell those five guys along

2323
02:06:17,840 --> 02:06:21,360
Speaker 5: along that offensive line are just completely bought in. They're

2324
02:06:21,360 --> 02:06:24,200
Speaker 5: all doing a good job of play with each other,

2325
02:06:24,520 --> 02:06:27,360
Speaker 5: and then I think two give credit for Jonathan Taylor

2326
02:06:27,400 --> 02:06:29,840
Speaker 5: because he has to know sort of the ins and

2327
02:06:29,880 --> 02:06:33,440
Speaker 5: outs and the makeup of the blocking abilities or maybe

2328
02:06:34,000 --> 02:06:37,400
Speaker 5: some of the deficiencies of the offensive line. And then

2329
02:06:37,560 --> 02:06:40,520
Speaker 5: just you know, changing his running style play by play

2330
02:06:41,240 --> 02:06:44,280
Speaker 5: based on where the play is going, you know, in

2331
02:06:44,320 --> 02:06:48,120
Speaker 5: the direction of certain offensive linemen. So he's showing great patience,

2332
02:06:48,800 --> 02:06:51,160
Speaker 5: he's showing great bursts when he needs to have a burst.

2333
02:06:51,600 --> 02:06:54,280
Speaker 5: And I mean this offensive line is just playing at

2334
02:06:54,280 --> 02:06:58,000
Speaker 5: a very very high level. It's spearheaded by Tanner Bordolini,

2335
02:06:58,080 --> 02:07:01,040
Speaker 5: but certainly Jonathan Taylor's may can all of those guys

2336
02:07:01,080 --> 02:07:04,560
Speaker 5: look great with some individual effort as well. But the

2337
02:07:04,640 --> 02:07:06,480
Speaker 5: running game is in a great spot right now.

2338
02:07:06,600 --> 02:07:09,400
Speaker 1: And the play by play will be provided by Matt

2339
02:07:09,480 --> 02:07:12,600
Speaker 1: Taylor on this radio station. Coming up on Sunday, Colts

2340
02:07:12,720 --> 02:07:16,160
Speaker 1: in Los Angeles, back to SOFI Stadium this time to

2341
02:07:16,200 --> 02:07:19,920
Speaker 1: take on the Chargers. Matt appreciated as always, enjoy the

2342
02:07:19,960 --> 02:07:21,640
Speaker 1: great weather out in Los Angeles.

2343
02:07:22,640 --> 02:07:24,680
Speaker 5: All right, we'll do Jake Man, I'll talk you next week.

2344
02:07:24,680 --> 02:07:25,320
Speaker 2: All it sounds good.

2345
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Speaker 1: Matt Taylor, the Voice of the Colts, speaking of JMV

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Speaker 1: and his fabulous impersonation of him. He will join us

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Speaker 1: one seven three five three twenty one forty one is

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Speaker 1: the telephone number. Now is the time to get that

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Speaker 1: furnace checked. Make sure that you are good to go

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Speaker 1: before mother Nature turns things all fayalthy. Hold outside. The

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Speaker 1: drinks will be cold, the conversation will always be good.

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Speaker 1: With JMV at Joe's Grill up in Westfield and he

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Speaker 1: joins us now to get a set for what he's

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Speaker 1: got going on a Thursday.

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Speaker 2: Hello John, Hey j.

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Speaker 1: Man, Jake.

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Speaker 2: It is always great up here.

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Speaker 6: Joe's Grill off of spring Mill Road, very easy to

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Speaker 6: find up in Westfield, and we got week seven Larcit

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Speaker 6: bourbon locks, Lunazuela tequila shots. Joe rides at the bottom

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Speaker 6: of the hour the former offensive lineman from the Colts

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Speaker 6: Radio Network. I think JJ Jeremiah Johnson is going to

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Speaker 6: slide by here in the four o'clock hour two chapel

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Speaker 6: me Brent Halverson and the Free Samples, which always alter

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Speaker 6: important here, Jake.

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Speaker 1: Free Samples, of course have an distillery. Yeah, absolutely love

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Speaker 1: it right, and it's brilliant outside. I haven't been I've

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Speaker 1: not got a chance to look outside yet, but it

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Speaker 1: was gorgeous earlier. I assume it still is.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 6: It was when I went down to the Greyhound Pass

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Speaker 6: Goodwill on my way up here.

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Speaker 2: I've never been to that one before.

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Speaker 6: Holy crap, buddy, she's talking about a treasure for with Goodwill.

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Speaker 6: That was it right down the way here, a great

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Speaker 6: hoound pass. Shout out and somebody else's.

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Speaker 2: Would you bring home anything good? Oh man? I went deep.

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Speaker 6: I'm telling you, it was like that was like the

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Speaker 6: Calvin Kleine Men's Clothes Goodwill of all time right there,

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Speaker 6: all right, everything was like Calvin Kline.

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Speaker 2: It was outstanding.

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Speaker 6: So we'll we'll take it home and wash it, and

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Speaker 6: then I could be if you live up here in

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Speaker 6: Hamilton County, I could be wearing your clothes coming up

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Speaker 6: tomorrow on the road.

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Speaker 2: Beautiful.

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Speaker 1: All right, Well, we'll let you bring us, bring us

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Speaker 1: all home for the rest of the day. We'll throw

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Speaker 1: it out to you here in just a little bit.

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Speaker 1: John with you at Joe's grill out in Westfield again

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Speaker 1: you heard the lineup of who he will have talking

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Speaker 1: about everything getting set for the weekend in sports and

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Speaker 1: of course tomorrow as well, so still at a day

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Speaker 1: left of that on Again, Thank Corbyn for the tremendous

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Speaker 1: hustle today. Also to Matt money Smith, the voice of

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Speaker 1: the Chargers, for circuitously joining us.

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Speaker 2: On the program. Matt Taylor as well.

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Speaker 1: We will be back with you at noon tomorrow and

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Speaker 1: I thank you for listening to the Query Company.