WEBVTT - Best of JMV 7/31/26 0:00:00.240 --> 0:00:03.160 Well, I love Jonathan. I mean he's he's I'm really 0:00:03.200 --> 0:00:05.080 proud of the leader that he's become on our team, 0:00:05.120 --> 0:00:07.600 and he's one of our pillars. His pictures on the 0:00:07.600 --> 0:00:11.119 stadium for a reason, and I would love it if 0:00:11.160 --> 0:00:12.360 he would be a cult for life. 0:00:13.039 --> 0:00:13.800 Carly ERSA. 0:00:13.960 --> 0:00:18.320 Gordon a little bit earlier today at Coach Camp drop 0:00:18.400 --> 0:00:21.240 light in Westfield at Grant Park. 0:00:21.880 --> 0:00:24.119 I'll be up there on the twentieth. 0:00:24.480 --> 0:00:26.400 And here's what's interesting right now, I'm going to get 0:00:26.440 --> 0:00:30.639 to the comment regarding Jonathan Taylor and his mood, which 0:00:30.680 --> 0:00:32.520 is kind of interesting too. We'll get to that coming 0:00:32.600 --> 0:00:35.320 up at a minute. But I know, Caleb, you said 0:00:35.400 --> 0:00:38.320 our next guest is going to be in town when 0:00:38.440 --> 0:00:41.839 next week's week? Yeah, so he's in Maryland. That's his 0:00:41.920 --> 0:00:45.400 home base is in Maryland. Correct, Virginia close on ID 0:00:45.920 --> 0:00:50.680 you eastern seaboard. Here's what's funny about it. His ass 0:00:50.720 --> 0:00:52.000 is going to be there before mine. 0:00:52.080 --> 0:00:52.519 I'm about that. 0:00:52.560 --> 0:00:56.800 I don't get up there until August the twentieth. On 0:00:56.840 --> 0:00:59.760 the Anymore Automotive Group potline. The first time he's been 0:00:59.800 --> 0:01:02.920 on with me. He's been on here a multitude of 0:01:02.960 --> 0:01:05.720 times throughout the station, but in the afternoon. I know 0:01:05.800 --> 0:01:09.160 Derek Schultz, his partner on Locked on Colts more than 0:01:09.160 --> 0:01:12.360 occasionally has had him on. Zach Hicks from Locked on 0:01:12.480 --> 0:01:14.600 Colts kind enough to join us now again on the 0:01:14.640 --> 0:01:17.520 Andy Moore Automotive Group potline. So you're gonna beat me 0:01:17.680 --> 0:01:20.960 here to camp coming from Virginia. That's not good. 0:01:22.360 --> 0:01:24.280 Yeah, man, we got to get out there. We got 0:01:24.280 --> 0:01:25.759 to get you out there a little bit earlier, man. 0:01:25.840 --> 0:01:27.200 But now it's all good. As long as you get 0:01:27.200 --> 0:01:29.880 to see a couple practices, then I think there's no 0:01:29.959 --> 0:01:30.399 issue with it. 0:01:30.480 --> 0:01:30.600 Right. 0:01:30.640 --> 0:01:32.520 You need a couple to really get a feel for things. 0:01:32.520 --> 0:01:34.600 Oh, it'll be great. They love yeah, they love it. 0:01:34.760 --> 0:01:35.560 Yeah yeah. 0:01:35.640 --> 0:01:37.720 Chris will come sit right next to him and we'll 0:01:37.760 --> 0:01:41.080 have some dialogue for a while. We'll be thoroughly enjoying 0:01:41.240 --> 0:01:44.920 that moment. I'm sure, Zach. But you're getting here next week. 0:01:44.959 --> 0:01:46.600 I think you guys do a great job. You and 0:01:46.959 --> 0:01:49.760 Jake do a great job on breaking things down. I 0:01:49.840 --> 0:01:52.360 want to start right here and then get off to 0:01:52.440 --> 0:01:54.560 some of the points I know you've made in the past. 0:01:55.280 --> 0:02:00.360 I mention the attitude if you will right now, Jonathan Taylor. 0:02:00.480 --> 0:02:03.680 Jonathan Taylor looks like a dude that's coming to an 0:02:03.760 --> 0:02:07.440 end of the contract that believes that it's not going 0:02:07.480 --> 0:02:10.120 to be the end of his deal, that something is 0:02:10.160 --> 0:02:11.000 in the works here. 0:02:11.240 --> 0:02:12.600 Is that how it feels to you? 0:02:14.240 --> 0:02:15.560 Yeah, it definitely does. 0:02:15.600 --> 0:02:17.760 I mean we it's kind of funny because we have 0:02:17.919 --> 0:02:20.080 the experience of a couple of years ago, right where 0:02:20.200 --> 0:02:23.160 like all of that drama that we had with it 0:02:23.560 --> 0:02:25.919 coming into twenty twenty three, the culture coming off such 0:02:25.960 --> 0:02:28.919 a rough season and their star running back was wanting 0:02:28.919 --> 0:02:31.360 a new contract and it was just a weird spot 0:02:31.560 --> 0:02:35.600 that everybody was in and it was pretty played throughout 0:02:35.639 --> 0:02:38.040 the media and played throughout everything about all of camp, 0:02:38.080 --> 0:02:40.520 and it took a while to get that contract done. 0:02:40.800 --> 0:02:43.959 So there was speculation throughout, you know, all media spheres 0:02:44.000 --> 0:02:47.639 this offseason, like could we see another Jonathan Taylor hold out? 0:02:47.680 --> 0:02:49.760 He's done it in the past, it worked for him 0:02:49.960 --> 0:02:52.840 in the past, and now he's coming off like the 0:02:52.880 --> 0:02:56.600 most productive season he's had since twenty twenty one, and 0:02:57.200 --> 0:02:58.679 you know, he would have been in his right kind 0:02:58.680 --> 0:03:01.120 of to hold out and want more money for you know, 0:03:01.160 --> 0:03:03.680 for lack of a better term there. But yeah, it 0:03:03.720 --> 0:03:06.520 looks great like he's out there he's smiling, he's practicing. 0:03:07.160 --> 0:03:09.000 It looks like he's really happy with where he's at. 0:03:09.600 --> 0:03:12.000 He's talked about it, and Chris Ballard's talked about it, 0:03:12.000 --> 0:03:13.960 and Carli Er Sir Gordon's talked about it that they 0:03:14.280 --> 0:03:15.720 feel good with the direction. 0:03:15.600 --> 0:03:16.720 Everything's going with it. 0:03:16.840 --> 0:03:19.440 So it does seem like there have been some really 0:03:19.480 --> 0:03:23.720 good conversations behind the scenes about them progressing towards potentially 0:03:23.720 --> 0:03:27.359 a new deal and hopefully getting that done. So definitely 0:03:27.400 --> 0:03:29.239 a much better place than what it was last time 0:03:29.240 --> 0:03:32.480 we had these conversations where there was like trade request 0:03:32.600 --> 0:03:35.840 and all these things going out there publicly. Now it 0:03:35.880 --> 0:03:38.800 feels like everyone's back to business, which is especially cool 0:03:38.840 --> 0:03:41.720 because like we're seeing running backs across the league holding 0:03:41.760 --> 0:03:44.560 in right now, right like Bijon Robinson, Jamiir Gibbs, and 0:03:45.440 --> 0:03:48.000 it's a popular thing and Taylor seems to be in 0:03:48.040 --> 0:03:50.320 a good place right now, so it's great to see. 0:03:50.400 --> 0:03:51.200 It's great for everyone. 0:03:51.200 --> 0:03:53.480 It's great for the fans because nobody likes, you know, 0:03:53.720 --> 0:03:57.080 seeing that stuff throughout the off season. So really good 0:03:57.160 --> 0:03:58.400 sign for the Colts going forward. 0:03:58.440 --> 0:04:01.040 What do you make of the major power moves being 0:04:01.440 --> 0:04:05.200 now executed by running backs right because it wasn't so 0:04:05.320 --> 0:04:07.920 long ago when it was just more than an afterthought 0:04:07.960 --> 0:04:08.760 than anything else. 0:04:09.840 --> 0:04:11.800 Yeah, I mean, I think if you're looking at purely 0:04:11.800 --> 0:04:15.160 from the player perspective, I mean, these guys their bodies, 0:04:15.240 --> 0:04:16.760 most of them, most of them, not all of them. Right, 0:04:16.800 --> 0:04:18.880 Derek Henry is still going strong and he could probably 0:04:18.960 --> 0:04:21.800 keep playing until he's fifty at this point, but most 0:04:21.800 --> 0:04:24.560 of these running backs their bodies break down kind of 0:04:24.600 --> 0:04:27.480 in the like late twenties, early thirties. So really the 0:04:27.480 --> 0:04:30.360 first contract they're gonna get, like the first big contract 0:04:30.400 --> 0:04:33.480 after the rookie deal, could be like their only big 0:04:33.520 --> 0:04:34.599 contract in the league. 0:04:35.040 --> 0:04:36.560 And we saw it in the past where. 0:04:36.400 --> 0:04:39.200 Like Le'Veon Bell for instance, tried to make that stand 0:04:39.279 --> 0:04:41.600 kind of by himself, like he tried to be the 0:04:42.000 --> 0:04:44.680 you know, doing the big holdout thing and trying to 0:04:44.720 --> 0:04:46.760 fight for more money, and it kind of backfired. So 0:04:47.080 --> 0:04:49.800 you really need like groups of guys to come together 0:04:50.080 --> 0:04:52.680 and kind of work on it together to like earn 0:04:52.720 --> 0:04:55.560 that higher pay. And I have no doubt that, you know, 0:04:55.680 --> 0:05:00.360 Robinson and Gibbs will certainly get more than the expected 0:05:00.520 --> 0:05:02.480 just because they are kind of standing in it together 0:05:02.600 --> 0:05:02.800 like that. 0:05:03.040 --> 0:05:04.800 So I think it's good for the guys. 0:05:04.839 --> 0:05:06.520 I mean, people can argue if it's smart for the 0:05:06.560 --> 0:05:10.160 teams and whatnot with positional value, but it's really their 0:05:10.200 --> 0:05:12.840 only chance to get their one big contract, whereas like 0:05:13.720 --> 0:05:16.120 quarterbacks are going to get multiple big contracts. You're going 0:05:16.200 --> 0:05:19.720 to see receivers getting two big contracts in the league, 0:05:19.800 --> 0:05:23.080 linemen getting two big contracts. So running backs you really 0:05:23.080 --> 0:05:25.679 just get the one. So I mean it makes sense 0:05:25.800 --> 0:05:29.560 personally to really maximize your value on that one contract. 0:05:29.240 --> 0:05:33.960 Does the market itself at that position now justify it 0:05:34.000 --> 0:05:36.560 more than it did, for examples, at five or so 0:05:36.680 --> 0:05:37.080 years ago. 0:05:38.200 --> 0:05:40.400 Yeah, it's interesting because if you look at it, like 0:05:40.480 --> 0:05:42.800 five years ago, we started to see this huge trend 0:05:42.800 --> 0:05:45.720 in the NFL where everything was becoming so pass first, 0:05:45.800 --> 0:05:49.920 right defenses were getting eviscerated. Like when Pat Mahomes came 0:05:49.960 --> 0:05:52.440 home the scene like five six years ago, he threw 0:05:52.480 --> 0:05:55.320 for what fifty touchdowns five thousand yards and that was 0:05:55.400 --> 0:05:56.080 kind of the norm. 0:05:56.120 --> 0:05:57.800 You know, there was all these like huge. 0:05:57.560 --> 0:06:02.640 Passing totals and running backs becoming like these auxiliary positions 0:06:02.680 --> 0:06:05.480 just to filter out the side stuff with quarterbacks. But 0:06:05.520 --> 0:06:07.520 in the last couple of years we've seen this trend 0:06:07.520 --> 0:06:11.200 towards like under center football play. We're seeing more running 0:06:11.240 --> 0:06:13.960 of the football, more twelve and thirteen personnel, like tight 0:06:14.040 --> 0:06:16.560 ends on the field, and we're seeing like the value 0:06:16.560 --> 0:06:17.520 of running back kind. 0:06:17.440 --> 0:06:18.760 Of creep up a little bit more. 0:06:19.080 --> 0:06:21.520 Maybe it's not what it was like in the early 0:06:21.560 --> 0:06:25.120 two thousands, right where like the Shawn Alexanders and Edge 0:06:25.240 --> 0:06:27.560 and all them, like we're really dominant and you want 0:06:27.640 --> 0:06:29.760 to pay those guys and really get them going. But 0:06:30.279 --> 0:06:32.599 it definitely seems like running back value is in a 0:06:32.640 --> 0:06:35.200 better place right now than what it was like five 0:06:35.279 --> 0:06:38.080 six years ago, and teams are seeing the value. I mean, look, 0:06:38.120 --> 0:06:39.919 the Chiefs went out there and paid big money to 0:06:40.000 --> 0:06:43.160 a free agent running back this offseason, and they've always 0:06:43.200 --> 0:06:44.679 kind of been at the forefront of a lot of things. 0:06:44.720 --> 0:06:46.240 So I think it's good. 0:06:46.080 --> 0:06:47.680 For running backs, you know, I think their value is 0:06:47.720 --> 0:06:49.520 starting to come back a little bit where teams are 0:06:49.520 --> 0:06:52.080 seeing value of like, hey, maybe you don't want to 0:06:52.080 --> 0:06:55.280 give them that third contract, but getting that running back 0:06:55.279 --> 0:06:57.440 on that second contract and throughout their rookie deal can 0:06:57.480 --> 0:06:58.919 be a lot of value for your offense. 0:06:59.000 --> 0:06:59.920 So it's good. 0:07:00.240 --> 0:07:03.159 I mean, especially you know, growing up and running backs 0:07:03.200 --> 0:07:05.640 were so vital. It was kind of sad seeing them 0:07:05.640 --> 0:07:07.200 go out of flavor there for a little bit. 0:07:07.520 --> 0:07:08.120 And now we're. 0:07:07.960 --> 0:07:09.960 Seeing the league trying to get back to run the 0:07:09.960 --> 0:07:12.720 football a little bit more so as like a football purist, 0:07:12.760 --> 0:07:14.280 you know, it's it's kind of fun seeing it. 0:07:14.360 --> 0:07:17.040 You know, it's funny as a football purist too, and 0:07:17.120 --> 0:07:19.920 a long time enjoyer like me and even older I'm 0:07:20.000 --> 0:07:22.880 assuming a lot older than you. I remember there a 0:07:22.880 --> 0:07:25.800 time when you know, the running back was on the 0:07:25.880 --> 0:07:30.320 level of the quarterback in terms of interest, and like 0:07:30.320 --> 0:07:33.400 like the Walter Payton's of the world. You had Walter 0:07:33.440 --> 0:07:38.280 Payton obviously oversettled everybody in Chicago, but Tony dors said 0:07:38.280 --> 0:07:42.720 in Dallas was much much greater when he got into 0:07:42.760 --> 0:07:45.360 the league, over Roger Staubach. I mean, it was just interesting, 0:07:45.640 --> 0:07:49.720 you know, frank O, Harris, Terry Bradshaw, that dynamic had 0:07:49.760 --> 0:07:53.240 always been very tight. If there was a race of 0:07:53.320 --> 0:07:56.920 sorts back then, and it kind of to me seems 0:07:56.960 --> 0:08:00.200 like that that position is growing in interest now. Wow, 0:08:00.240 --> 0:08:03.120 certainly more than just being well, we'll just kick the 0:08:03.120 --> 0:08:04.400 tires on somebody right here. 0:08:04.440 --> 0:08:06.120 We don't really care who is back there. 0:08:06.360 --> 0:08:08.480 It seems like there's more interest and more of a 0:08:08.560 --> 0:08:10.880 focus on that position now than there has been in 0:08:10.920 --> 0:08:11.640 recent history. 0:08:12.640 --> 0:08:14.320 Yeah, no, for sure. I mean when you look back 0:08:14.360 --> 0:08:16.920 in like the eighties and nineties and especially before that too, 0:08:17.440 --> 0:08:20.120 how often we're running back going like first overall right 0:08:20.160 --> 0:08:22.600 in the draft, Like running backs are going very high 0:08:22.600 --> 0:08:25.000 in the draft. And now, you know, we get all 0:08:25.040 --> 0:08:26.840 the analytics saying like, oh man, if you take a 0:08:26.880 --> 0:08:29.560 running back top ten, they better be super good because 0:08:29.560 --> 0:08:32.200 they're getting paid so much, and there is a push 0:08:32.200 --> 0:08:33.560 and pull to that, Like, at the end of the day, 0:08:33.679 --> 0:08:37.040 quarterback right now is such a valuable position. Like I 0:08:37.080 --> 0:08:40.200 don't think there's a more valuable position in any sport 0:08:40.280 --> 0:08:42.640 than quarterback, right And I don't think running back or 0:08:42.960 --> 0:08:45.280 any of these positions are really going to close the ground. 0:08:45.080 --> 0:08:45.840 Too much on that. 0:08:46.240 --> 0:08:48.120 But I do think we have seen a resurgence of 0:08:48.200 --> 0:08:51.000 running back a little bit more where maybe it's not 0:08:51.320 --> 0:08:53.640 to the level of quarterback, but maybe it's getting closer 0:08:53.679 --> 0:08:56.000 to the level of like a top receiver or a 0:08:56.000 --> 0:08:59.040 top tackle or something. Again, rather than just being this 0:08:59.160 --> 0:09:02.280 complete after thought that it was from like twenty ten 0:09:02.400 --> 0:09:05.439 to like twenty twenty, where running backs were being completely 0:09:05.600 --> 0:09:07.520 just thrown aside, and it was like, well, the second 0:09:07.559 --> 0:09:09.600 we have to pay them, let's go get another cheap 0:09:09.640 --> 0:09:10.520 one because they can. 0:09:10.400 --> 0:09:12.280 Just replicate the value we need. 0:09:12.640 --> 0:09:14.920 Whereas now we're seeing the difference. Like I mean, like 0:09:14.960 --> 0:09:17.680 the Colts last year, they were a pass first offense 0:09:17.720 --> 0:09:20.280 early in games. Like don't get me wrong, but the 0:09:20.360 --> 0:09:23.200 reason why we saw these point totals balloon so much 0:09:23.240 --> 0:09:25.480 in the second half of games is because they were 0:09:25.520 --> 0:09:28.320 feeding Jonathan Taylor and they were boasting one of the 0:09:28.320 --> 0:09:31.440 best rushing offenses that we had seen in recent history. 0:09:31.760 --> 0:09:34.400 And it's not like they had a quarterback also running 0:09:34.440 --> 0:09:36.880 the ball like Jones had some rushing touchdowns in there, 0:09:36.920 --> 0:09:40.360 but so much of it was Taylor being dominant right, 0:09:40.440 --> 0:09:43.000 Like they weren't really distributing the carries to anybody else 0:09:43.000 --> 0:09:45.640 like we've seen from other great rushing offenses like with 0:09:45.720 --> 0:09:48.800 Lamar Jackson and Baltimore, or like Jalen Hurts and Philly. 0:09:48.960 --> 0:09:51.680 So having that great running back can be the difference 0:09:51.720 --> 0:09:54.880 between you know, a great start and looking good or 0:09:55.280 --> 0:09:56.800 you know, being one of the worst teams in the 0:09:56.840 --> 0:09:59.240 league sometimes, especially if you're in the Colts like last year. 0:09:59.320 --> 0:10:02.000 So Alter recognizing that and That's why I think they're 0:10:02.040 --> 0:10:05.640 treating Taylor well. Hopefully he can continue staying healthy going forward, 0:10:05.679 --> 0:10:09.520 because it is risky paying a running back a third time. 0:10:09.600 --> 0:10:13.280 But outliers exist, and Taylor's about to break all the 0:10:13.320 --> 0:10:16.400 franchise rushing records, so you can certainly call him an outlier. 0:10:17.080 --> 0:10:20.320 So keeping happy, keeping going, and hopefully his Colts offense 0:10:20.320 --> 0:10:21.280 can get back on track. 0:10:21.559 --> 0:10:25.960 Loaded with content, it is Locked On Colts the podcast, 0:10:26.040 --> 0:10:29.760 along with Jake Arthur, Derek Schultz, Alan Pinkett, the former 0:10:29.800 --> 0:10:34.480 Notre Dame, Fighting Irish, and Nfler among others a part 0:10:34.480 --> 0:10:38.720 of that too, and they update things on a daily basis. 0:10:38.880 --> 0:10:41.800 Zach Hicks joins us from Locked On Colts on the 0:10:41.840 --> 0:10:45.600 Anymore Automotive Group podline. Are you a believer in what 0:10:45.800 --> 0:10:49.200 they have personnel wise right now with this group or 0:10:49.360 --> 0:10:51.800 are you of the belief that the reason why we're 0:10:51.800 --> 0:10:56.200 here is because of that Sauce Gardner trade deadline deal 0:10:56.240 --> 0:10:56.880 of a year ago. 0:10:58.320 --> 0:11:00.840 I firmly believe even Carly ERSA. 0:11:00.960 --> 0:11:03.160 Gordon looking at the first half of last season and 0:11:03.200 --> 0:11:06.480 saying we can get back to what we showed early 0:11:06.520 --> 0:11:08.680 last season, like I do think when you look. 0:11:08.559 --> 0:11:11.320 At how they were successful, how they. 0:11:11.160 --> 0:11:13.120 Were winning, and I mean even in some of their 0:11:13.120 --> 0:11:16.160 losses and when they played better teams like that Rams game, 0:11:16.200 --> 0:11:17.880 we all agree probably should have been a win if 0:11:17.880 --> 0:11:19.760 it weren't for a couple of costly mistakes, Like they 0:11:19.800 --> 0:11:22.960 were playing really good football. I don't think that this 0:11:23.120 --> 0:11:26.079 is like Carly saying like, Okay, we need to bring 0:11:26.120 --> 0:11:28.760 back Ballard because we don't want to straddle a new 0:11:28.840 --> 0:11:31.440 GM without a first round pick. I think she does 0:11:31.480 --> 0:11:34.480 believe in what they showed early last season. It's just 0:11:34.520 --> 0:11:37.600 going to be on a very short leach because having 0:11:37.760 --> 0:11:40.200 the end of the season they had, even with you know, 0:11:40.240 --> 0:11:42.559 the quarterback issues, and we've already talked about how valuable 0:11:42.640 --> 0:11:45.280 quarterback is. You just can't have losing streaks like that, 0:11:45.400 --> 0:11:48.200 Like they really needed like one maybe two wins down 0:11:48.200 --> 0:11:49.720 the stretch to get in the playoffs, and they couldn't 0:11:49.720 --> 0:11:52.600 even muster that out with the guys that they had. 0:11:52.720 --> 0:11:55.280 So I like what she said today where it's like, look, 0:11:55.280 --> 0:11:56.840 the mantra this year is find a way. 0:11:57.000 --> 0:11:57.720 Things get tough. 0:11:57.760 --> 0:12:00.720 You lose games, but you lose players, but you've got 0:12:00.760 --> 0:12:02.360 to find a way to get those wins and get 0:12:02.400 --> 0:12:05.360 into the playoffs. So I do think that like a 0:12:05.400 --> 0:12:07.960 big part of bringing back everything and believing in this 0:12:08.080 --> 0:12:10.200 year is buying that first half of last season. 0:12:10.559 --> 0:12:12.160 Now we'll see if it can materialize. 0:12:12.200 --> 0:12:16.120 They're really banking on a bunch of older players who 0:12:16.120 --> 0:12:19.480 are coming off some injury concerns, and that's certainly scary 0:12:19.520 --> 0:12:23.160 in the face of the NFL. But I do believe 0:12:23.200 --> 0:12:25.520 that a lot of this faith to run it back 0:12:25.559 --> 0:12:28.559 one more time is like, Hey, what we were doing early. 0:12:28.480 --> 0:12:29.439 Last season was working. 0:12:29.440 --> 0:12:32.720 There was a lot of goods in that and basically 0:12:32.800 --> 0:12:35.720 when we started losing games, we didn't have our quarterbacks, 0:12:35.760 --> 0:12:38.040 so some of the turnover luck one against us, and like, 0:12:38.120 --> 0:12:40.720 let's see how real that first half was, and if 0:12:40.720 --> 0:12:42.480 they missed the playoffs again this year, then you'll. 0:12:42.320 --> 0:12:43.000 Have your answer. 0:12:43.240 --> 0:12:45.520 So I do think that was a firm belief in 0:12:45.559 --> 0:12:48.040 this unit, but the belief will run out if they 0:12:48.040 --> 0:12:50.520 missed the playoffs yet again. So yeah, I think Carley 0:12:50.600 --> 0:12:52.760 certainly believes in what they were doing, but it's going 0:12:52.840 --> 0:12:54.280 to be a bit of a shorter reach this year 0:12:54.320 --> 0:12:55.319 than what it was last year. 0:12:55.480 --> 0:12:57.440 So Zach, I'm on the other side of that. I 0:12:57.480 --> 0:13:02.520 think that their decision making was really pared down and 0:13:02.600 --> 0:13:04.600 compromise because. 0:13:04.240 --> 0:13:04.840 Of that deal. 0:13:04.960 --> 0:13:08.560 And while I'm cool with the deal because you saw 0:13:08.679 --> 0:13:11.440 something that was being created in the first part of 0:13:11.440 --> 0:13:15.200 that season, and then obviously the injuries to significant players 0:13:15.480 --> 0:13:19.440 Daniel Jones certainly compromise the remainder of the season. I 0:13:19.480 --> 0:13:22.640 think if they were to have first round options after 0:13:22.920 --> 0:13:26.280 this past season, that maybe, to me, honestly, I think 0:13:26.360 --> 0:13:30.360 they would be going in a different direction. So I 0:13:30.360 --> 0:13:32.120 I think you kind of have to put on that 0:13:32.200 --> 0:13:35.920 face right now because you're soaking in it, you know 0:13:35.920 --> 0:13:38.320 what I mean, because you really didn't have leverage nor 0:13:38.400 --> 0:13:41.480 options to deal with to change things up, So you 0:13:41.640 --> 0:13:43.720 have to believe and hopefully it works out. But I 0:13:43.760 --> 0:13:47.080 think you have to, more than anything else, believe in 0:13:47.120 --> 0:13:49.439 this product the way that it is right now because 0:13:49.559 --> 0:13:54.520 really adjusting things. It was compromised after that trade deadline 0:13:54.559 --> 0:13:56.880 deal with no first rounders, and you really had nowhere 0:13:56.880 --> 0:13:57.360 else to go. 0:13:58.520 --> 0:14:00.600 Yeah, I mean, I do agree to to a certain 0:14:00.600 --> 0:14:02.600 degree there where it's like, once you make that move, 0:14:03.080 --> 0:14:04.800 you are showing that belief. 0:14:04.559 --> 0:14:05.439 In the process there. 0:14:05.480 --> 0:14:06.920 I think that's what made it kind of more even 0:14:07.000 --> 0:14:09.640 more devastating in the second half of the year, when 0:14:10.000 --> 0:14:12.439 your starter goes down with the torn achilles, Your backup 0:14:12.720 --> 0:14:15.040 was already injured in a flute in a freaky injury 0:14:15.040 --> 0:14:18.400 pre game. Your third string quarterback was dealing with a 0:14:18.400 --> 0:14:20.840 bit of an injury. So you just made this huge, 0:14:20.920 --> 0:14:25.400 like franchise altering move for a young, former All Pro corner, 0:14:25.600 --> 0:14:28.360 and you traded two first round picks, expecting at least 0:14:28.400 --> 0:14:30.239 the first year of that to be in the playoffs. 0:14:30.680 --> 0:14:33.080 And you can't even manage the one more win down 0:14:33.120 --> 0:14:36.680 the stretch because you're down to a quarterback who's been 0:14:36.720 --> 0:14:39.280 retired for years to come out here and start games 0:14:39.320 --> 0:14:42.880 for you, because it was either him or Camford Riley 0:14:42.920 --> 0:14:45.720 Leonard or the set again I think was on the 0:14:45.800 --> 0:14:47.920 roster at that point at quarterback, Like it wasn't going 0:14:48.000 --> 0:14:51.640 to be great down the stretch. So do I understand 0:14:51.680 --> 0:14:53.120 what you're saying where it's like they kind of made 0:14:53.160 --> 0:14:56.040 their own dead when they made that trade and you 0:14:56.120 --> 0:14:56.560 kind of have. 0:14:56.600 --> 0:14:59.240 To commit to it this year. But part of me thinks, like, 0:14:59.280 --> 0:15:00.640 you make that trade because. 0:15:00.360 --> 0:15:03.080 You are so bought in that first half of last year, 0:15:03.160 --> 0:15:06.240 so to fall off of it so much because Philip Rivers. 0:15:06.040 --> 0:15:08.040 Couldn't win you a couple of games or Jones couldn't 0:15:08.040 --> 0:15:09.120 win you a couple of games. 0:15:08.920 --> 0:15:11.760 With a broken leg, Like, I don't know if they 0:15:11.800 --> 0:15:14.400 would have fallen that far off, but I totally see 0:15:14.440 --> 0:15:17.320 your opinion with that, where it's like, yeah, I mean 0:15:17.360 --> 0:15:18.560 they kind of made their bed with this. 0:15:18.720 --> 0:15:20.000 I don't know what the right answer was. 0:15:20.120 --> 0:15:22.440 Yeah, you know what, Zach, I don't go too over 0:15:22.440 --> 0:15:25.200 the top. And here's why, because I was down with it. 0:15:25.240 --> 0:15:29.120 I'm okay with the win now mentality because they've basically 0:15:29.160 --> 0:15:32.160 had a win never mentality. 0:15:31.560 --> 0:15:34.640 And right like, the win now are running it back. 0:15:34.920 --> 0:15:37.080 And I say that about the Pacers because we're going 0:15:37.120 --> 0:15:40.239 to deal with that this year. There is a basis 0:15:40.320 --> 0:15:44.080 of results that we have seen that would I think 0:15:44.200 --> 0:15:49.120 define why you have Kevin Pritchard and Chad Muchannan wanting 0:15:49.160 --> 0:15:52.800 to run this core group back with the Pacers. 0:15:53.360 --> 0:15:56.640 But with the Colts it's not that way. 0:15:56.800 --> 0:16:00.040 Because you know, you go all in and then you 0:16:00.120 --> 0:16:02.760 had that injury and you're screwed for the remainder of 0:16:02.760 --> 0:16:05.840 the season. I get why you want to win right 0:16:05.920 --> 0:16:09.160 now because the results at that level it's been few 0:16:09.200 --> 0:16:12.520 and far between, and it's just kind of the same old, 0:16:12.560 --> 0:16:14.640 same old for the fans, So I don't go completely 0:16:14.680 --> 0:16:16.920 over the top on that. I just kind of think 0:16:16.960 --> 0:16:19.800 they're in a situation in which they created because they 0:16:19.840 --> 0:16:22.880 had belief, and maybe it wasn't misguided because of the 0:16:22.920 --> 0:16:26.640 way the offense specifically was playing. But again, you didn't 0:16:26.680 --> 0:16:29.960 have the optionality there at all because of the lack 0:16:30.000 --> 0:16:33.480 of first round deals or I should say, first round 0:16:33.480 --> 0:16:34.480 selections that you had. 0:16:34.560 --> 0:16:35.680 Thus you're right here. 0:16:35.680 --> 0:16:38.280 But again I understood it at the time, and I 0:16:38.320 --> 0:16:40.400 still understand it right now. You just kind of soak 0:16:40.440 --> 0:16:41.800 into the situation itself. 0:16:42.800 --> 0:16:44.680 Yeah, I will say, like, if you had the belief 0:16:44.720 --> 0:16:47.960 in Jones and the offense early last season, I don't 0:16:47.960 --> 0:16:51.240 think anything about the second half of the year lessens 0:16:51.280 --> 0:16:53.280 the belief in Jones outside of the fact that he's 0:16:53.280 --> 0:16:55.280 coming off the Achilles injury now, right, because it's not 0:16:55.360 --> 0:16:58.560 like he threw like twenty picks in like you know, 0:16:58.600 --> 0:17:00.560 those games and he was just the worst quarterback in 0:17:00.560 --> 0:17:03.440 the league. He was hurt, you know, and even in 0:17:03.520 --> 0:17:05.840 like the Texans game for instance, like he was she 0:17:05.880 --> 0:17:08.520 had one of the better performances against the Texans defenses 0:17:08.560 --> 0:17:10.480 than any quarterback in the league last year. Now, it 0:17:10.480 --> 0:17:13.800 wasn't a great game, but nobody played well against Texans, 0:17:13.920 --> 0:17:15.879 so it was kind of it was kind of a 0:17:15.920 --> 0:17:19.000 weird situation for the Colts, and you know, as a fan, 0:17:19.080 --> 0:17:21.159 you kind of think about it in your brain. It's like, 0:17:21.480 --> 0:17:23.320 of course this would happened to the Colts, right, you 0:17:23.359 --> 0:17:26.440 make this big move, going all in, everything's going great, 0:17:26.480 --> 0:17:29.080 and then of course, like you could survive any other 0:17:29.119 --> 0:17:32.400 injury maybe except for the quarterback, and the quarterback goes down. 0:17:32.840 --> 0:17:34.359 So you know, if. 0:17:34.240 --> 0:17:36.399 They're feeling good about the Jones Achilles injury, I mean, 0:17:36.400 --> 0:17:37.600 the thing is they have to feel good. 0:17:37.480 --> 0:17:39.440 About it though, right, like you said, they made their bet. 0:17:39.560 --> 0:17:41.119 You have to feel good about it, Like even if 0:17:41.119 --> 0:17:44.119