WEBVTT - X-Men '97 "Rise of Apocalypse Pt. 2 (S2.EP4)" Recap 0:00:00.280 --> 0:00:02.759 Welcome everybody to the France for a second podcast. Kenneth 0:00:02.759 --> 0:00:06.600 be in sheer glad to have everybody back. Jalen is 0:00:06.600 --> 0:00:11.440 out this week, so I'm in the hosting seat. We 0:00:11.520 --> 0:00:15.520 are here to discuss X Men nine seven, Episode four, 0:00:16.560 --> 0:00:20.520 The Rise of Apocalypse Part two, Part two. I was 0:00:20.520 --> 0:00:26.640 trying to figure out if it was Rise or age but. 0:00:26.520 --> 0:00:28.640 Nice thing of the comic Yeah, which was the Age 0:00:28.640 --> 0:00:30.639 of right, wasn't It wasn't the comic. 0:00:30.400 --> 0:00:35.519 Age Age Apocalypse? Yeah, Age of Ultron, Age of Apocalypse. Yes, 0:00:35.760 --> 0:00:37.680 I don't know if that's a goal to for them, but. 0:00:37.720 --> 0:00:38.520 Yeah, they did it. 0:00:38.800 --> 0:00:41.199 But yeah, there was an art, the Age of Apocalypse art. 0:00:41.240 --> 0:00:43.160 But this is the Rise of Apocalypse where we see 0:00:43.800 --> 0:00:46.879 like basically is the origin story and uh, and we 0:00:46.960 --> 0:00:50.280 got the conclusion to that and then from here we 0:00:50.400 --> 0:00:55.040 have six episodes left and we'll see how they're going. 0:00:55.160 --> 0:00:59.520 But are we still like on board with where we 0:00:59.560 --> 0:01:03.200 are with episode? For Kenneth By and Cheer here with Rod, 0:01:03.480 --> 0:01:07.760 Spike and Mike, how y'all feeling about this episode? 0:01:09.160 --> 0:01:10.160 This episode was deep? 0:01:10.240 --> 0:01:14.440 Man, It's like it's a little too deep for a cartoon, 0:01:15.760 --> 0:01:20.920 a little deep for a cartoon, but yeah, like I 0:01:21.120 --> 0:01:24.600 you know, with these men, I get lost, but then 0:01:24.720 --> 0:01:26.119 you know it's certain things I pick up. 0:01:26.080 --> 0:01:28.120 To bring me back or whatnot. 0:01:28.160 --> 0:01:30.840 But I left feeling like, Yo, this was this was 0:01:31.360 --> 0:01:33.240 a deep episode honestly. 0:01:36.200 --> 0:01:36.440 Yeah. 0:01:36.480 --> 0:01:38.839 And I guess X Men was like that in general 0:01:38.880 --> 0:01:43.960 when you think about it, and it's like they're really 0:01:44.000 --> 0:01:47.000 tapping into that, just like you know, with him being 0:01:47.040 --> 0:01:51.520 African and like just his slave, and like it's just like, yo, 0:01:52.160 --> 0:01:57.320 like this is he was talking about the Pharaoh with 0:01:57.320 --> 0:01:59.640 the light skin, to do with the light skin. 0:02:00.320 --> 0:02:08.000 The apocalypt I know it was African. I just saying 0:02:08.040 --> 0:02:09.400 that because his skin was. 0:02:10.120 --> 0:02:12.240 I guess we forget that Egypt is. 0:02:15.080 --> 0:02:15.400 Right now. 0:02:16.600 --> 0:02:20.080 I have told you I'm terrible for geography. I'm terrible 0:02:20.080 --> 0:02:22.359 with geograph. I wasn't I wasn't questioning you at all. 0:02:22.440 --> 0:02:24.600 I just didn't know you Pharaoh all of that stuff. 0:02:24.600 --> 0:02:27.000 Like you know, they're African. If he said Egyptian, you'd 0:02:27.000 --> 0:02:27.440 have been straight. 0:02:27.880 --> 0:02:28.440 That's what it is. 0:02:29.360 --> 0:02:31.560 A lot of people forget that Egypt is over in Africa, 0:02:31.880 --> 0:02:32.400 including me. 0:02:33.840 --> 0:02:37.000 Yeah, so he's African and he's talking about slavery and stuff. 0:02:37.200 --> 0:02:38.600 So it's just like I don't know, man, it just 0:02:38.639 --> 0:02:39.640 it just felt really deep. 0:02:40.120 --> 0:02:40.880 What about you too? 0:02:43.800 --> 0:02:46.280 I got lost as well, but I just credited to 0:02:46.400 --> 0:02:48.680 not being like really familiar with the comics. 0:02:49.560 --> 0:02:50.640 It's still good. 0:02:51.040 --> 0:02:53.520 I enjoy watching it, but sometimes I do feel like 0:02:53.720 --> 0:02:58.480 I'm missing what they're trying to say, or missing more 0:02:58.520 --> 0:03:00.440 context for what's going on in that to a story. 0:03:00.480 --> 0:03:02.240 But that doesn't take away from my enjoyment because I 0:03:02.280 --> 0:03:06.560 like X Men it is. You can to Rod's points, 0:03:06.600 --> 0:03:10.480 you can tell it's like a adult themed or centered cartoon, 0:03:10.480 --> 0:03:12.160 and it don't feel like this is for kids at all. 0:03:12.919 --> 0:03:21.480 So okay, Mike, Yeah, it's it's it's good. I think 0:03:21.480 --> 0:03:23.520 I still kind of feel the same way as last week. 0:03:23.560 --> 0:03:28.359 I'm enjoying it, I'm on board. Something feels something feels off. 0:03:28.400 --> 0:03:30.480 I just can't I can't place what it is, so 0:03:30.520 --> 0:03:32.639 I'm assuming it's still just that I don't really care 0:03:32.720 --> 0:03:36.560 that much about Apocalypse like that. He's not my favorite 0:03:36.760 --> 0:03:38.720 X Men villain. I actually enjoyed it way more when 0:03:38.720 --> 0:03:41.440 they were just fighting Magneto and his crew. But but nah, 0:03:41.520 --> 0:03:44.320 this is this is it's good. It's good. 0:03:44.640 --> 0:03:45.360 I'm enjoying it. 0:03:46.560 --> 0:03:52.720 Yeah, I love this episode. Yeah, this this was was 0:03:53.040 --> 0:03:59.200 really really, really dope. Being familiar with like ship and 0:03:59.240 --> 0:04:00.320 Ship's history. 0:04:01.680 --> 0:04:05.760 And seeing his connection to Apocalypse who was the previous 0:04:05.840 --> 0:04:09.320 ruler and all that, just seeing that it possibly was 0:04:09.400 --> 0:04:11.680 all the way back, I thought all of that was 0:04:11.680 --> 0:04:13.640 was really dope. Just as a guy that was kind 0:04:13.680 --> 0:04:16.719 of into uh, some of those Easter eggs or whatever 0:04:16.720 --> 0:04:19.960 they call him, I thought that was dope. And overall 0:04:20.000 --> 0:04:25.520 I was definitely on on board with this episode. You know, 0:04:25.600 --> 0:04:28.440 we had we pretty much picked up where we left 0:04:28.480 --> 0:04:33.839 off with Manito basically covered everybody, protected everybody. 0:04:33.400 --> 0:04:34.960 That he said he could. I don't know if he was. 0:04:34.920 --> 0:04:44.239 Telling the truth, but uh, nerv was Ner was pissed 0:04:44.600 --> 0:04:48.400 because his boy Ball was dead and he threatened to 0:04:48.600 --> 0:04:53.360 kill everybody, but Xavier managed to talk him down, and uh, 0:04:53.400 --> 0:04:55.640 basically of course that that would definitely come back to 0:04:55.680 --> 0:04:58.960 haunt hum. And you know, we also have the X 0:04:59.000 --> 0:05:02.039 Men sort of debate after all that, if you guys 0:05:02.080 --> 0:05:04.040 have some thoughts on that, but all that we have 0:05:04.120 --> 0:05:07.039 to answer men debating like the concept of going back, 0:05:07.080 --> 0:05:10.680 should we stay, et cetera, et cetera, And we had 0:05:10.839 --> 0:05:15.200 role kind of reflecting on if they stay or if 0:05:15.240 --> 0:05:22.080 they change things, Gambit maybe still be alive, but Metneto 0:05:22.400 --> 0:05:23.479 wasn't trying to hear it. 0:05:23.960 --> 0:05:25.560 How far was Menito to make. 0:05:25.480 --> 0:05:29.839 That decision instead of relying on democracy, let's vote click, 0:05:30.680 --> 0:05:31.280 I did. 0:05:32.600 --> 0:05:36.279 No vote. Yeah, that was crazy. 0:05:36.560 --> 0:05:39.920 But I did like that moment with Apocalypse though, when 0:05:39.920 --> 0:05:41.800 they just kind of sat in that moment, him just 0:05:41.839 --> 0:05:45.080 breathing like that heavy like just I was like, damn, 0:05:45.080 --> 0:05:47.680 they're doing this like like I don't know, just that 0:05:47.720 --> 0:05:50.120 don't feel like a cartoon like that feels like a 0:05:50.160 --> 0:05:53.760 movie like or something like. To to have him have 0:05:53.880 --> 0:05:56.400 that moment of them just watching him just kind of 0:05:56.920 --> 0:06:00.320 grief over that guy. Yeah, that was That was a 0:06:00.320 --> 0:06:04.240 little while. But Magneto, Yeah, he just made this. So 0:06:04.320 --> 0:06:06.719 I'm like, dang, that's messed up. Bitcher was funny in 0:06:06.720 --> 0:06:10.640 this one too, in the way he was talking. But 0:06:10.640 --> 0:06:13.200 but no that yeah, no, I. 0:06:13.200 --> 0:06:15.480 Think going back to the opening and feel free to 0:06:15.560 --> 0:06:17.280 kind of go back and fill in any gaps or 0:06:17.279 --> 0:06:19.479 anything you guys want to discuss, I'm just gonna kind 0:06:19.480 --> 0:06:19.840 of just. 0:06:19.800 --> 0:06:21.680 Do a very very broad overview. 0:06:24.120 --> 0:06:26.600 I think, uh, you know, they did a really good 0:06:26.720 --> 0:06:29.120 job with tension and that in it, saying because he 0:06:29.279 --> 0:06:34.880 was holly pissed off and you just knew he was 0:06:34.880 --> 0:06:36.960 gonna this was gonna be like the turning point for 0:06:37.080 --> 0:06:41.479 him to turn into apocalypse, and Xavior of all people 0:06:41.520 --> 0:06:44.360 managed to talk him down, Like Meneto didn't really. 0:06:44.120 --> 0:06:47.680 Do ship so he just kind of just stood. 0:06:47.400 --> 0:06:51.560 There and look at him, you know. But but yeah, 0:06:51.600 --> 0:06:54.480 so now I agree with you. I thought the shot 0:06:54.560 --> 0:06:56.880 that they they drew up animation that. 0:06:56.920 --> 0:06:58.000 Was really really dope. 0:06:58.760 --> 0:07:03.080 I don't think I fully understood what would his apprehension 0:07:03.120 --> 0:07:05.760 have been, Like, why would I have listened to exact 0:07:06.360 --> 0:07:07.880 if I was to do that was from the turn 0:07:07.960 --> 0:07:12.280 into apocalypse, you mean in the beginning before he did, 0:07:12.400 --> 0:07:15.960 because he was a slave and he made it there 0:07:16.600 --> 0:07:18.720 under the guys that he was telling Professor x Or, 0:07:18.880 --> 0:07:22.160 I won't do the thing and turn it into apocalypse. 0:07:22.200 --> 0:07:23.640 But then when he got there, he was like, fuck this, 0:07:23.720 --> 0:07:24.320 I'm gonna do it. 0:07:24.720 --> 0:07:25.480 Well, wouldn't he. 0:07:26.360 --> 0:07:29.360 His whole thing was kind of you know, after Menito 0:07:29.400 --> 0:07:31.480 did what he did, you have that conversation between the 0:07:31.480 --> 0:07:35.720 two of them, So Xavier had bought into what Magneto 0:07:36.040 --> 0:07:39.280 was saying, right, everybody in my understanding that correctly. 0:07:39.320 --> 0:07:42.400 I didn't think he did. I guess it was. 0:07:42.400 --> 0:07:44.920 I thought that's why he was trying to convince uh 0:07:45.200 --> 0:07:48.240 Nor that he could be a different person. 0:07:48.480 --> 0:07:50.000 I don't think he had any choice at that point 0:07:50.440 --> 0:07:53.360 because they were stuck there because Magneto pulled that bitch 0:07:53.400 --> 0:07:54.360 move and took the. 0:07:54.240 --> 0:07:56.520 He didn't know that though, yeah he did. He'd saw 0:07:56.600 --> 0:08:00.840 him do it. Did Yeah, yeah, he did. I think 0:08:00.880 --> 0:08:03.280 he was in the cave. They did it in front 0:08:03.320 --> 0:08:04.280 of him. Oh I thought. 0:08:04.400 --> 0:08:06.600 I thought Zaber and Nor were having a conversation on 0:08:06.640 --> 0:08:08.600 the side and Anita was talking to the rest of us. 0:08:08.640 --> 0:08:11.400 Well, even if even if Xavier didn't see it with 0:08:11.440 --> 0:08:14.280 his own eyes, I'm sure he realized at some point, oh, 0:08:14.320 --> 0:08:16.880 I guess we're not going back because the little bands 0:08:16.920 --> 0:08:19.960 are gone. And I'm sure Rogue was like, oh, yeah, 0:08:20.120 --> 0:08:24.760 Magneto did it. So I didn't get that that Charles 0:08:24.920 --> 0:08:28.320 was because Charles would originally be the one to be 0:08:28.360 --> 0:08:30.320 trying to change his mind and be like, oh, don't 0:08:30.320 --> 0:08:32.680 do this, you can be a better person, but since 0:08:32.720 --> 0:08:34.920 they were stuck there, he didn't have any choice but 0:08:34.960 --> 0:08:38.120 to go along with Magneto's plan because Xavier wanted to 0:08:38.120 --> 0:08:40.000 just go back and try to change it the other way. 0:08:40.040 --> 0:08:44.320 But at this point it was like we can yeah, like, 0:08:44.360 --> 0:08:45.880 we have no other options right now. 0:08:46.200 --> 0:08:48.680 But Bishop changed everything when he popped up on seeing 0:08:48.760 --> 0:08:51.839 because now they can go back. So I can't remember 0:08:51.880 --> 0:08:53.599 if Xavier was there and saw that happened, was like, 0:08:53.640 --> 0:08:57.240 all right, well wait man, look he could he could 0:08:57.280 --> 0:09:01.679 go back into Magneto broke the little transfer, right, Yeah. 0:09:01.840 --> 0:09:04.320 I didn't think Xavier saw that. That's that's why that's why. 0:09:04.280 --> 0:09:06.559 I think he was right there. If I'm not mistaken, okay, yeah, 0:09:07.360 --> 0:09:07.800 all right. 0:09:07.960 --> 0:09:10.120 And then, like Mike said, at that point, he don't 0:09:10.120 --> 0:09:11.920 have no choice but to try to convince. 0:09:11.559 --> 0:09:14.600 This dude to be on it, to not go around. 0:09:14.679 --> 0:09:17.599 Well, even before even when he talked him down with 0:09:17.679 --> 0:09:20.880 the rage, like when he kind of turned around and said, 0:09:20.880 --> 0:09:23.560 based you guys are responsible for the death of my friend. 0:09:23.720 --> 0:09:27.560 Xavier unless he was just self preservation, was still like 0:09:28.400 --> 0:09:32.880 hey man, yeah, no, yeah, okay, all right. 0:09:32.840 --> 0:09:33.320 Yeah yeah. 0:09:33.480 --> 0:09:36.160 It was Magneto trying to think was the one that 0:09:36.240 --> 0:09:38.160 was thinking he can put him down a different path. 0:09:39.640 --> 0:09:43.240 Xavier was like, nah, bro, this this dude is destined 0:09:43.280 --> 0:09:46.000 to be this way. But until they got stuck there, 0:09:46.120 --> 0:09:47.960 that's when Xavier changed his tune. 0:09:48.040 --> 0:09:48.800 Is how I followed it. 0:09:49.000 --> 0:09:49.959 That's yeah me too. 0:09:50.080 --> 0:09:54.920 Yeah, okay, but yes, Xavier was basically telling Nor that 0:09:55.080 --> 0:09:58.000 you know, he's from the that basically telling everything love 0:09:58.000 --> 0:10:02.559 we're from the future, and you know, he's kind of 0:10:02.600 --> 0:10:05.719 hoping that they could change him into like this other guy. 0:10:05.760 --> 0:10:08.480 He was telling about the X Man stuff and everything, 0:10:09.120 --> 0:10:11.120 and then we get like this information that. 0:10:11.400 --> 0:10:14.120 Was That's what it was. He was trying to convince 0:10:14.200 --> 0:10:18.839 him that no, look, yeah, we lied, but you know 0:10:18.880 --> 0:10:21.440 what I'm saying, So that's what it was. That's when 0:10:21.440 --> 0:10:23.280 he started changing this to him, like, look, man, we 0:10:23.400 --> 0:10:25.520 you know from a future where we. 0:10:25.559 --> 0:10:27.720 All band together, and you know what I'm saying. 0:10:27.520 --> 0:10:34.199 We we just like you or whatever that Look, man, 0:10:34.200 --> 0:10:41.400 we had gained this means so it was just like yeah, man, 0:10:41.480 --> 0:10:42.920 so yeah, at that point he had to kind of 0:10:42.960 --> 0:10:46.360 tell him the truth so and convince him not to 0:10:46.400 --> 0:10:48.520 go down that path of destruction. 0:10:49.679 --> 0:10:54.200 Yeah, and there's some sort of cosmic power that was 0:10:54.200 --> 0:10:58.880 in the pharaoh temples, uh that could fit their tech, 0:10:59.040 --> 0:11:00.120 but it was also. 0:11:01.800 --> 0:11:02.680 Nor as well. 0:11:03.080 --> 0:11:06.800 And then we had the discussion last week about Newer 0:11:06.960 --> 0:11:09.640 having all this power Spike and why the hell he 0:11:09.760 --> 0:11:12.920 chose to go full Kanye in the sense that he 0:11:13.040 --> 0:11:14.760 was slavery was a choice. 0:11:15.559 --> 0:11:17.480 Well, we got the flashback to that. 0:11:17.600 --> 0:11:20.199 What did you guys think about New's flashback and about 0:11:20.200 --> 0:11:22.640 the mom basically just left him at a burn until 0:11:22.679 --> 0:11:23.480 Ball came through. 0:11:24.160 --> 0:11:24.640 Who Ball? 0:11:24.800 --> 0:11:27.199 Basically we saw why he was so emotionally kind of 0:11:27.280 --> 0:11:29.440 upset because he basically saved. 0:11:29.280 --> 0:11:29.960 Them and raised him. 0:11:30.000 --> 0:11:30.800 Yeah, that was his daddy. 0:11:31.160 --> 0:11:31.600 Yeah. 0:11:32.160 --> 0:11:34.000 Yeah, If you guys liked the flashback, did it kind 0:11:34.040 --> 0:11:37.400 of makes sense him kind of grow into his own. 0:11:37.559 --> 0:11:40.000 I don't trust it. I don't trust it. 0:11:40.040 --> 0:11:41.880 I'm wondering if that was something I was playing in 0:11:41.880 --> 0:11:43.760 his head like that just seemed weird, like the mom 0:11:43.840 --> 0:11:45.439 just dropped the baby off and was like all right 0:11:45.480 --> 0:11:46.079 and just left. 0:11:46.240 --> 0:11:50.000 He was blue. Yeah, but still it wasn't blue black. 0:11:50.400 --> 0:11:51.840 It was still. 0:11:52.480 --> 0:11:55.160 I'm wondering if that wasn't a real memory. If it was, 0:11:55.200 --> 0:11:56.640 it's fine, it's not a huge deal. 0:11:56.880 --> 0:11:57.280 I think it. 0:11:57.360 --> 0:12:01.240 Probably was a real memory only because what we saw 0:12:01.240 --> 0:12:05.120 at the end when when was pissed, that's why your 0:12:05.160 --> 0:12:11.840 mama left your God damn, I was like God, he 0:12:12.040 --> 0:12:15.600 was mad. He was big man, he was He's like, 0:12:15.640 --> 0:12:19.400 your ass is evil. 0:12:19.760 --> 0:12:21.320 Mama left you because she knew. 0:12:23.960 --> 0:12:27.160 I was like but he could have just been saying 0:12:27.200 --> 0:12:31.240 that based off of what apocalypse. Because if the memory 0:12:31.320 --> 0:12:35.079 is there and if it's been planted there and Xavier 0:12:35.120 --> 0:12:36.719 pops in, I don't know that he's going to see 0:12:36.720 --> 0:12:37.680 that that's a fake memory. 0:12:39.200 --> 0:12:41.960 I feel you. Yeah, he's kind of trash. Yeah, it 0:12:42.040 --> 0:12:43.439 just feels it just feels. 0:12:44.440 --> 0:12:46.800 It just felt didn't feel kind of anti climactic, like 0:12:46.840 --> 0:12:49.480 the mom just left them and then just bounced and 0:12:49.520 --> 0:12:53.200 they didn't really examine that at all. It was just like, oh, yeah, 0:12:53.200 --> 0:12:55.439 your mama just left the ass because you were blue. 0:12:55.440 --> 0:12:57.600 I feel like it was probably something deeper that we'll 0:12:57.880 --> 0:13:00.160 get tapped into later. That's why I said, I think 0:13:00.200 --> 0:13:02.600 it's a real memory, but it's probably more context to it. 0:13:02.880 --> 0:13:07.960 I don't even care anymore, especially of course he cares. 0:13:08.760 --> 0:13:11.280 Your mama leave you on the damn sidewalk somewhere, you're 0:13:11.280 --> 0:13:12.079 gonna care the rest of. 0:13:12.040 --> 0:13:14.719 Your life in the in the in the dumpster. Yeah, 0:13:15.400 --> 0:13:17.240 especially if you're ugly too. If your mama left you 0:13:17.240 --> 0:13:21.199 because you're ugly, Yeah, what's wrong with your face? I 0:13:21.200 --> 0:13:22.040 didn't get birth to that. 0:13:23.960 --> 0:13:26.400 Yeah, somebody probably told her, like, yo, your son is 0:13:27.080 --> 0:13:29.480 destined to be this person, and she probably. 0:13:29.160 --> 0:13:33.000 Just I could see that. Oh it's probably fucking rama 0:13:33.000 --> 0:13:35.320 ta what I was thinking. So somebody probably like that. 0:13:35.280 --> 0:13:37.439 That's I don't think we had a full context of 0:13:37.920 --> 0:13:40.320 why his mother left, and that's probably why I felt 0:13:40.320 --> 0:13:42.960 anti climatic. Yeah, but we'll probably find out out at 0:13:42.960 --> 0:13:43.360 some point. 0:13:43.960 --> 0:13:48.000 We also saw that, uh the temple. When Zaba went 0:13:48.040 --> 0:13:50.400 to the temple, there was a voice calling nor to 0:13:50.440 --> 0:13:53.719 be eternal, which of course is connected. 0:13:56.040 --> 0:13:59.760 That the celestial I don't think the celestials being there was. 0:14:00.320 --> 0:14:02.199 I think the wording that they chose to put in 0:14:02.240 --> 0:14:05.440 there was just fucking corny cartoon. I know, but you 0:14:05.480 --> 0:14:07.319 just said it was like an adult cartoon. It is, 0:14:07.400 --> 0:14:09.200 but it's that ship was corny. 0:14:09.280 --> 0:14:14.040 Dude, come be eternal? Did you get it? Did you 0:14:14.080 --> 0:14:16.079 get it? It's like, come on, man, this is stupid. 0:14:16.080 --> 0:14:17.000 Shut up, we get it. 0:14:18.040 --> 0:14:21.040 But the celestials are probably corny, though, I mean they 0:14:21.040 --> 0:14:23.200 were kind of corny in the Eternal's movie, But I'm 0:14:23.240 --> 0:14:25.800 saying them saying that the name of the movie was corny. 0:14:26.160 --> 0:14:27.840 They wanted to make sure because that movie didn't make 0:14:27.880 --> 0:14:29.760 no money, they want to make sure everybody remember it. 0:14:30.000 --> 0:14:32.360 Remember that black ass movie. We made a long time ago. 0:14:33.720 --> 0:14:37.680 Yeah, yeah, what about rose convo with nor. 0:14:39.040 --> 0:14:40.320 Ye Rogue Rogue? 0:14:40.360 --> 0:14:43.040 Oh yeah, when she walked up and she was like, yeah, 0:14:43.240 --> 0:14:44.240 somebody know what was special to me? 0:14:44.280 --> 0:14:46.160 But he gone now Mmm. 0:14:47.440 --> 0:14:51.000 I liked her comment about like you know, we lived 0:14:51.040 --> 0:14:55.600 for love and things like that, and she was just like, 0:14:55.640 --> 0:14:57.480 I hope, you know, I pray, I hope of something 0:14:57.480 --> 0:14:59.880 like she said, I hope you find it or whatever 0:15:00.040 --> 0:15:02.200 for everybody's sake or something like that. 0:15:02.240 --> 0:15:04.360 So I liked her conversation. Honestly. 0:15:05.400 --> 0:15:10.840 The thing, Mike love his pain, he knows. Yeah, for him, 0:15:10.840 --> 0:15:12.480 it is because of what having with his mom, So 0:15:12.520 --> 0:15:16.240 I get it. Yeah, she was talking about Gamba and 0:15:16.240 --> 0:15:18.640 that that's kind of the issue MIKEA and Spike was 0:15:18.680 --> 0:15:21.720 that they already kind of did that earlier, So why 0:15:21.720 --> 0:15:24.320 are we going back to this conversation Earlier? 0:15:24.560 --> 0:15:26.000 She was already talking about Gambit. 0:15:26.080 --> 0:15:29.080 It wasn't with Neure it was Meneto and everybody kind 0:15:29.080 --> 0:15:31.480 of hoping that if the time changed that he'll still 0:15:31.480 --> 0:15:35.040 be alive. And they went back, but she already had 0:15:35.040 --> 0:15:37.760 her sad moment. Because that's what I was just gonna 0:15:37.760 --> 0:15:40.320 say really quick. I think they needed that moment to 0:15:40.440 --> 0:15:41.680 just I think that moment. 0:15:41.440 --> 0:15:43.120 Was for Apocalypse more so than her. 0:15:43.960 --> 0:15:45.720 Like I said, he was like, well, pain because she's 0:15:45.760 --> 0:15:50.280 the one that has experienced like I guess the pain 0:15:51.240 --> 0:15:53.480 of losing or whatever. And I think they was trying 0:15:53.480 --> 0:15:57.720 to parallel that with Apocalypse and the and their perspective 0:15:57.760 --> 0:16:02.040 on it. So yeah, I think that I think that 0:16:02.120 --> 0:16:02.920 was what Apocalypse. 0:16:03.680 --> 0:16:06.160 Yeah, yeah, I was just gonna say that's that's what 0:16:06.200 --> 0:16:07.760 I'll talk about last week. I'm just kind of sick 0:16:07.800 --> 0:16:10.080 of it because it just seems like y'all are y'all 0:16:10.120 --> 0:16:12.960 are drillingness into the ground. We get it, we get it, 0:16:12.960 --> 0:16:15.600 you're gonna bring Gambit back. Just fucking get on with it, 0:16:16.200 --> 0:16:19.760 like you You bring it up every episode and then 0:16:19.800 --> 0:16:22.560 you're just going over it over and over and over. 0:16:22.680 --> 0:16:26.080 So hey, remember remember Gambit. Remember Gambit. Hey remember Genosha, 0:16:26.120 --> 0:16:27.880 Remember Gambit? She likes Gambit. 0:16:27.920 --> 0:16:29.600 Remember that. And it's like, all right, man, yeah, we 0:16:29.640 --> 0:16:30.280 get it. 0:16:30.280 --> 0:16:31.960 It would have been a lot cooler if y'all stopped 0:16:31.960 --> 0:16:35.400 talking about the motherfucker and then he pops up, but 0:16:35.520 --> 0:16:38.120 y'all keep talking about him, so it's like, we know 0:16:38.560 --> 0:16:40.240 Apocalypse is gonna bring his ass back. 0:16:40.640 --> 0:16:41.200 We know it. 0:16:41.320 --> 0:16:45.560 Damn which would be if if he remembers this conversation, 0:16:45.960 --> 0:16:49.640 I don't know if Yeah, if he remembers this conversation, yeah, 0:16:49.760 --> 0:16:51.040 that would make a connection. 0:16:50.720 --> 0:16:53.720 With it also ties into he said something at I 0:16:53.760 --> 0:16:55.920 can't remember if it was at the end, but he's 0:16:57.000 --> 0:17:01.760 he said something about how the X Men were going, 0:17:01.880 --> 0:17:05.600 like his own people were gonna attack Charles or something 0:17:05.720 --> 0:17:09.120 like that. He said something to imply, like to Charles like, yo, 0:17:09.200 --> 0:17:10.160 your own people are going. 0:17:11.520 --> 0:17:12.919 So this is this is what it is. 0:17:12.960 --> 0:17:16.199 And it's like, dude, like, does this have to be 0:17:16.240 --> 0:17:18.320 every bit of dialogue in this fucking show at this point? 0:17:18.720 --> 0:17:20.159 So when he shows up, we're not gonna be like, 0:17:20.160 --> 0:17:22.320 oh man, Gambit's back. We're We're like, all right, man, yeah, 0:17:22.359 --> 0:17:23.000 you late bro. 0:17:24.920 --> 0:17:26.800 I'm sure you didn't know that. I didn't know that. 0:17:27.320 --> 0:17:29.600 You didn't know what I didn't know. He brings Gambit back. 0:17:29.800 --> 0:17:32.320 We talked about that last week, didn't Yeah, well you 0:17:32.359 --> 0:17:32.720 weren't here. 0:17:32.760 --> 0:17:35.480 Maybe maybe, maybe maybe I didn't pick up on that. 0:17:35.880 --> 0:17:38.760 So he brings Gambit back to be on his side. 0:17:38.880 --> 0:17:41.399 We yeah, so remember the at the end of the 0:17:41.480 --> 0:17:44.400 last season, which they shouldn't have included this in my opinion, 0:17:44.760 --> 0:17:46.560 but the end of the last season. The last thing 0:17:46.600 --> 0:17:49.639 we saw was Apocalypse pick picking up the not the 0:17:49.720 --> 0:17:51.439 end of the last season, sorry, the end of that episode. 0:17:51.880 --> 0:17:55.000 Apocalypse picked up the card. And it's like, okay, that 0:17:55.200 --> 0:17:57.760 was enough, that was enough, and then you could have 0:17:57.800 --> 0:17:59.879 given a couple of little rogues. 0:18:00.080 --> 0:18:03.120 I'm sad, but then cut it off after that. 0:18:03.320 --> 0:18:05.680 Even when y'all said that last week and now now 0:18:05.680 --> 0:18:09.639 I'm remembering, I still didn't quite connect it because I 0:18:09.720 --> 0:18:10.880 don't know, I don't know that. 0:18:11.160 --> 0:18:14.560 But see, but see you didn't know that. But if 0:18:14.600 --> 0:18:16.160 they had just stopped talking. 0:18:15.960 --> 0:18:18.240 About Gambit by this point, and then. 0:18:18.480 --> 0:18:21.879 Two episodes down the line, Gambit shows up and he's evil, 0:18:22.000 --> 0:18:23.560 I feel like the impact is still going to be 0:18:23.600 --> 0:18:28.920 the same, rather than them constantly fucking talking about Gambit. 0:18:29.000 --> 0:18:31.000 How he bring them back to what do you mean 0:18:31.040 --> 0:18:31.280 when you. 0:18:31.280 --> 0:18:34.359 Said, well, that's kind of a spoiler. So that's what 0:18:34.359 --> 0:18:37.160 I'm saying. I think I think for the the. 0:18:37.200 --> 0:18:40.879 Average viewer or somebody that's not deep into the comics, 0:18:41.119 --> 0:18:42.960 I don't I didn't feel like it was like over 0:18:43.080 --> 0:18:44.760 over the head because I feel like this moment was 0:18:44.800 --> 0:18:47.800 more about Apocalypse and if you know what, if you know, 0:18:47.920 --> 0:18:48.320 you know. 0:18:49.480 --> 0:18:50.680 It's kind of how I look at. 0:18:50.640 --> 0:18:55.440 It, right, I agree, But it's not like the conversation 0:18:55.600 --> 0:18:59.399 only happened with Apocalypse. This is this conversation has been 0:18:59.440 --> 0:19:02.840 brought up multiple times every goddamn. 0:19:02.440 --> 0:19:04.080 Episode at this point. 0:19:04.760 --> 0:19:08.200 Yes, it's just like they're constantly referencing back to Gambit, 0:19:08.320 --> 0:19:11.520 referencing back to Gambit, and it's just like, I get it, 0:19:11.880 --> 0:19:13.040 that was an important moment. 0:19:13.359 --> 0:19:15.440 I get it, but I just. 0:19:15.359 --> 0:19:16.840 Feel like it would have been a lot cooler if 0:19:16.880 --> 0:19:18.679 y'all just stopped and then he popped up. 0:19:18.720 --> 0:19:20.240 But it technically just happened. Though. 0:19:20.760 --> 0:19:25.159 What just happened him passing Janosha, because that was like 0:19:25.359 --> 0:19:28.199 towards the last last season and we're just picking up 0:19:28.200 --> 0:19:29.000 what we left that. 0:19:28.960 --> 0:19:32.320 Was like the middle of last season and then some 0:19:32.320 --> 0:19:35.280