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Speaker 1: And we are back. It is another edition of Colt's

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Speaker 1: Corner with myself Kevin Bowen, and we've got a newsy

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Speaker 1: one today. The transition tag for Daniel Jones. What does

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Speaker 1: it mean? And oh boy, strap up these next handful

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Speaker 1: of days for the Colts and trying to get some

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Speaker 1: long term deals done. Eddie Garrison, good morning to you,

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Speaker 1: Good morning, how are you good? A bit of a

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Speaker 1: time crunch, Dennis appointment for the children here coming up?

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Speaker 2: Oh that's always a trip.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I can hear Max bow And screaming already from

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Speaker 1: the chairs even there. Hopefully Chick fil A afterwards will

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Speaker 1: be the right, you know, ticket to get out of

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Speaker 1: there seamlessly. Obviously, the news item from yesterday, Eddie has

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Speaker 1: so many implications on now what a the next week

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Speaker 1: could look like for the Colts before really things start

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Speaker 1: on Monday, and then really what the rest of the

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Speaker 1: offseason is going to be about. So you know, in

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Speaker 1: my mind to kind of sum it up, the Colts

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Speaker 1: made a six million dollar risk in the transition tag

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Speaker 1: for Daniel Jones and not giving him the franchise tag. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: that eliminates the two first round picks that would come

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Speaker 1: in return. If someone were to throw out a ridiculous

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Speaker 1: offer for Daniel Jones. And I actually want to give

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Speaker 1: a ton of credits to James Boyd colleague who is

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Speaker 1: on the Fan Morne Show with myself and Jeff Record.

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Speaker 1: You know, he brought up the analogy with the Pacers

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Speaker 1: you leave the door cracked in professional sports for another

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Speaker 1: team to potentially enter the fray, you will see some

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Speaker 1: of the more desperate moves you could imagine. The Pacers

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Speaker 1: have largely admitted they didn't expect the Bucks to do

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Speaker 1: what they did, and they did it. Not to say

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Speaker 1: there's a team out there that necessarily will do that

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Speaker 1: with Daniel Jones, but there could. But more than that,

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Speaker 1: by tagging Jones, you now have given Alec Pierce free

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Speaker 1: reign to make the decision that he wants to make.

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Speaker 1: And I think the risk in that and the reward

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Speaker 1: the reward in the six million? Is it really just that?

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Speaker 1: I mean, Eddie, not to map it up, but what

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Speaker 2: A three million? Yeah? I know, right, that's the cap?

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Speaker 1: I mean, what are we talking you know. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's a very small number. And to take the Pacers

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Speaker 1: a risky trade a month ago. The reward, thank you,

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Speaker 1: the reward for the Pacers in that trade potentially, along

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Speaker 1: What's the reward for the Cults here? Is it really

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Speaker 1: saving six million dollars? And again, is that penny pinching?

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Speaker 1: Is that the accurate value that they think Daniel Jones deserves?

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Speaker 1: Is that money that they feel is necessary to give

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Speaker 1: Alec Pierce a long term deal and to check all

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Speaker 1: the off season boxes? I guess, but that reward does

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Speaker 1: not seem too rich to me, So overall, before we

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Speaker 2: I thought it was a bit of a mixture of

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Speaker 2: the DeAndre Ayton situation with the Phoenix Suns a handful

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Speaker 2: of years ago and the Pacers signing him to that

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Speaker 2: maybe Phoenix didn't think there would be a team out

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Speaker 2: Suns in order to do that. So let's dive into

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Speaker 2: this from the Daniel Jones aspect. First, Kevin thirty seven

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Speaker 2: Is there a number out there that you envision that

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Speaker 1: And now by making this move, you have given teams

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Speaker 1: Like the Colts forcing them to eat their vegetables. Is

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Speaker 1: But so that's my question for Jones. I assume they

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Speaker 1: Now in a vacuum, the Colts pretty much said to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, in any situation. I just felt like Jones had

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Speaker 2: but beforehand, it's like, all right, well, you got to

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Speaker 2: Because you got another guy and Alex Pierce that's worthy

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Speaker 1: Dan Brugler's conversation with the Fan Morning Show coming up

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Speaker 1: Boyd down at the combine some great draft combo with

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Speaker 1: Dan Bruger from the Athletic I think a reminder on

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Speaker 2: Now, let me get your thoughts on this because I

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Speaker 2: don't know if many people in our listening audience, even

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Speaker 2: So they have to have the cap space available. It's

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Speaker 2: when they make that offer sheheet to Daniel Jones, and

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Speaker 1: Which is different from turn You know, with Turner, there

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Speaker 2: It has seemed ever since the season ended, Kevin that

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Speaker 1: If he wants a stable quarterback situation, I'd argue now

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Speaker 1: just rename the stadium Alec Pierce Stadium. Put put him

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Speaker 1: on JW for the next three years for his loyalty

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Speaker 1: well test it. So the Colts have turned down big

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Speaker 1: Right now, where was the cap when Michael Pittman Junior

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Speaker 2: I know this is very unlikely to happen, but just

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Speaker 2: Right because we've already highlighted with the transition, there are

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Speaker 1: Now, I acknowledge that I do think the percentage is small,

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Speaker 3: Oh no question, And how much of that is just

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Speaker 3: can create usette speed, use that toughness. This is a

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Speaker 3: receiver class that's missing maybe true alpha at the top,

435
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Speaker 3: but it's we're gonna still see five or six going

436
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Speaker 3: the first round. And I think Omar Cooper's right there

437
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Speaker 3: in that mix.

438
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Speaker 1: I've kind of called them baby Debo.

439
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I could see that right, you know, Debo It

440
00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:51,679
Speaker 3: maybe a little more like a running back, where I

441
00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:55,960
Speaker 3: think Gomark Cooper's more like a receiver. But in terms

442
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Speaker 3: of the ability to break tackles get more yards than

443
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Speaker 3: you think are going to be there, Yeah, I think

444
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Speaker 3: that makes sense.

445
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Speaker 1: Okay, let's stick with the IU brigade here, and a

446
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Speaker 1: man that's gonna talk to the media here in a

447
00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:10,240
Speaker 1: little bit is d Angelo Pons. And you know, we

448
00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:13,520
Speaker 1: are in a market with Chris Ballard, a very stringent individual,

449
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Speaker 1: and it comes to cornerback makeup. Last year they drafted

450
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Speaker 1: Justin Walley James. We were in the draft room. We

451
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Speaker 1: thought it was a mistake almost you know, very foreign

452
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Speaker 1: draft pick. From a height standpoint, right, you have, I

453
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Speaker 1: think stood on a table a bit for d Angelo Ponds.

454
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Speaker 1: Despite the height there, how high do you think he

455
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Speaker 1: could go? And why do you feel like he'll be

456
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Speaker 1: an outlier based off how many people view the cornerback position.

457
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Speaker 3: Besides the size? What is not to like?

458
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Speaker 2: Right?

459
00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:42,119
Speaker 3: You have to get past the size, and I get it.

460
00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:44,359
Speaker 3: If he's lined up on the outside versus six to

461
00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:48,439
Speaker 3: four receiver, there's a mismatch there. There's no way around that.

462
00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:54,040
Speaker 3: But everything else you love about him, the toughness, the speed.

463
00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:57,080
Speaker 3: He's one hundred meter track champion in high school, so

464
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Speaker 3: I think he'll have a nice week here in terms

465
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Speaker 3: of the work outs on the field, the toughness that

466
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Speaker 3: he plays with, how smart he is. I've talked to

467
00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:07,480
Speaker 3: him before and I've really enjoyed our conversations because you

468
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Speaker 3: really know when a guy gets it, especially a corner.

469
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Speaker 3: Trent McDuffie was that for me when scouting him that

470
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Speaker 3: year coming out of Washington, How smart he was about Okay,

471
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Speaker 3: if they're lying up in this split, we're going to

472
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Speaker 3: change the coverage. This side will be manned, the side'll

473
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Speaker 3: be zone. And he just how quickly he sees it.

474
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Speaker 3: And that processing is so important. We think of corner

475
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Speaker 3: as a stopwatch position, and it is you have to

476
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Speaker 3: be fast, you have to be able to carry receivers vertically.

477
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Speaker 3: But the intelligence factor of understanding route concepts, understanding what

478
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Speaker 3: the offense is trying to do so you could be

479
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Speaker 3: a step ahead. Ponds has that and we saw that

480
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Speaker 3: consistently throughout the season. But it was the same guy

481
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Speaker 3: at James Madison. He's a freshman All American and he

482
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Speaker 3: was doing that same stuff. So this is just how

483
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Speaker 3: he's wired. And so I'm going to bet on a

484
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Speaker 3: guy where you have to sacrifice the size, yes, but

485
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Speaker 3: everything else I love. So I'll bet on that.

486
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Speaker 4: Pivot a little bit to the Colts obvious need for

487
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Speaker 4: them is a defensive end. How do you feel about

488
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Speaker 4: the depth in this year's defensive end class considering that

489
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Speaker 4: the Colts do not have a first round.

490
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Speaker 3: Pick, right, and this is music too, I think Colts

491
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Speaker 3: fans eers is it's a deep edge group. At my

492
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Speaker 3: top one hundred. I had sixteen edge rushers and they're

493
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Speaker 3: probably four or five I could have thrown in there

494
00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:25,760
Speaker 3: as well. And it's like there's not some magical ranking

495
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Speaker 3: somewhere in a vault where every team's going to be

496
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Speaker 3: drafting from. And you know, like every draft board is

497
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Speaker 3: going to look a little bit different because of the

498
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Speaker 3: types of edg rushers. If you're looking for more of

499
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Speaker 3: an edge stter, you're looking for more of a bendy

500
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Speaker 3: speed guy. And so I think it'll be interesting to

501
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Speaker 3: see the order these guys come off the board. Who

502
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Speaker 3: would still be around in you know, the second round

503
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Speaker 3: for the Colts, But there will be somebody. There'll be

504
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Speaker 3: somebody you can circle and say, if we circle five

505
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Speaker 3: names going into Day two, good chance you're gonna get

506
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Speaker 3: one of those guys.

507
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Speaker 2: Okay.

508
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Speaker 1: I want to make sure we get a couple of

509
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Speaker 1: local questions in here, and we always appreciate your time.

510
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Speaker 3: What a difference a year makes, By the way, with

511
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Speaker 3: Tucking Indiana football, Oh my gosh, geez, good for that program.

512
00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:07,320
Speaker 1: I went there. They won three Big ten games in

513
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Speaker 1: four years. Ball State beat him twice in my four years.

514
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Speaker 1: So I think that tells you everything. You need to know.

515
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Speaker 1: The biggest news item when I was there was Kevin Wilson,

516
00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:18,159
Speaker 1: their former head coach, fighting an r A. I'm literally

517
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Speaker 1: a resident assistant their former rad He win right here.

518
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Speaker 2: That's a great sign. I don't don't know.

519
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Speaker 1: I think the pocket knife the ra had on him

520
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Speaker 1: maybe got the win there. Okay, the Beast is coming out.

521
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Speaker 2: Win.

522
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Speaker 1: We have a date.

523
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Speaker 3: Yet, it's always hopefully that first week in April. You know,

524
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Speaker 3: a couple of weeks for the draft, and I just

525
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Speaker 3: give me the month of March to get it done

526
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Speaker 3: and then we'll.

527
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Speaker 1: Here your version of March madness is getting the Beast done. Okay.

528
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Speaker 1: Two more local guys wanted to ask about Dylan Theenaman

529
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Speaker 1: again Westfield, Indiana, just north here in Indianapolis. You've had

530
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Speaker 1: theenem in I think pretty high. I think several draft

531
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Speaker 1: analysts have had him high. Probably going to be a

532
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Speaker 1: very good tester. Yes here coming up? What intrigues you

533
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Speaker 1: by the former Purdue football player, Oregon product?

534
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Speaker 3: Really intreatd by safeties who can do a couple of

535
00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:05,199
Speaker 3: different things. You know, you want the versatile guys, and

536
00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:07,760
Speaker 3: I think that's where with Fiene men and he'll show

537
00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:09,440
Speaker 3: it here. Like you said, he's gonna test well, I

538
00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:11,520
Speaker 3: think he'll do all the all the positional stuff will

539
00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:15,119
Speaker 3: look good. The athletic testing will look good. And you know,

540
00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:17,120
Speaker 3: you want guys that can play the nickel, you want

541
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Speaker 3: guys that can play the post, you want single high,

542
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Speaker 3: you know, all these different and that's what I think

543
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Speaker 3: Caleb Downs is a top ten pick in this draft

544
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Speaker 3: because all the different hats he can wear. And Dylan Thieneman,

545
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Speaker 3: I think he has that type of versatility where it's

546
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Speaker 3: not just he's not above average run defender and you

547
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:35,920
Speaker 3: have to give up a little bit in coverage. He

548
00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:39,119
Speaker 3: has everything the total package, and so you know his

549
00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:42,640
Speaker 3: his coverage ability, especially in man, is what helps separate him.

550
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Speaker 3: So if I'm looking for someone that can be a

551
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Speaker 3: true nickel on one snap, but then you know, I

552
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Speaker 3: don't have to change my personnel packages. I can just

553
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:54,080
Speaker 3: move him to you know, a different alignment. You feel

554
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Speaker 3: comfortable that he could do it. And so that's why

555
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Speaker 3: ultimately I think he goes in the first round.

556
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Speaker 1: I am an unapologetic Notre Dame fan. I think Jeremi

557
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:02,360
Speaker 1: I Love was the best player in college football last year.

558
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:07,239
Speaker 1: Durable pass catcher pass protector, home run hitter. Look at

559
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:09,640
Speaker 1: the Penn State touchdown run from a few years ago

560
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:11,560
Speaker 1: if you want to see some toughness in there as well.

561
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:16,160
Speaker 1: How high it's too high for Jeremiah Love?

562
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Speaker 3: Okay, so we know the number one pick, right, Fanana

563
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:22,080
Speaker 3: Medoz I think is already looking at real estate there

564
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:25,840
Speaker 3: in Vegas, and then I think we're on Jeremiah Love watch.

565
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Speaker 3: I mean, I agree with you that high. You can't

566
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Speaker 3: draft them too high. I really don't think you can.

567
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Speaker 3: Now we could debate about are the Titans in the

568
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:38,040
Speaker 3: right roster construction mode where they should be dropping and

569
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Speaker 3: running back in there? The same thing about the Jets.

570
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:42,600
Speaker 3: I don't think Bristol is going anywhere, but if they

571
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:45,960
Speaker 3: did move on from Breesol, so you know, I think

572
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:50,239
Speaker 3: that's a debate. But if the cell is easy, if

573
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Speaker 3: you tell me, if I'm a fan of your of

574
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:54,720
Speaker 3: a franchise and you draft Jeremiah Love and I'm thinking, oh,

575
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:56,960
Speaker 3: you draft a running back top five, the cell is easy.

576
00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:59,200
Speaker 3: You just added the most explosive player in the draft

577
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:01,720
Speaker 3: to your offense. That helps everybody. That helps the quarterback,

578
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:04,400
Speaker 3: that helps the receivers, that helps obviously the run game.

579
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Speaker 3: So I have a hard time believing he gets past

580
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Speaker 3: Saints at eight.

581
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Speaker 1: I've seen the mock of Kansas City at nine and yeah, like,

582
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Speaker 1: oh my gosh, can you imagine him in that offense.

583
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Speaker 3: Well, and that's another one where it's we really see

584
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 3: the Chiefs go with another first round running back. But

585
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:23,719
Speaker 3: this is a draft where just draft good football players.

586
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:26,720
Speaker 3: Stop talking about positional value, just draft good football player.

587
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:29,480
Speaker 3: So Caleb Downs a safety, sunny styles off ball linebacker,

588
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:34,359
Speaker 3: Love at running back, You'll want to the guard like,

589
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:37,480
Speaker 3: these are all really really good football players. I don't

590
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:39,040
Speaker 3: want to hear about chasing upside. I want to hear

591
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:41,520
Speaker 3: about the good football players we're adding. And Love, I

592
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:43,160
Speaker 3: mean Love. I have a higher grade on Love than

593
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:46,960
Speaker 3: an ashing genty from last year. His grade is closer

594
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:49,080
Speaker 3: to like a Bjon Robinson when I had on him

595
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 3: coming out of out of Texas. So I just think

596
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:53,880
Speaker 3: that you can do so much of the weapon like that.

597
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:55,600
Speaker 3: Put him in the slot, let him run routes and

598
00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:59,800
Speaker 3: he's not just screams. He can run routes. A weapon

599
00:28:59,880 --> 00:29:02,400
Speaker 3: like that just changes everything about your offense.

600
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Speaker 4: Last one, I will let you go, Dane. I know

601
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 4: you mentioned Caleb Downs not a local kid, but local

602
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 4: adjacent with Josh Downs being here. I remember having a

603
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:14,040
Speaker 4: conversation with Josh Downs at his camp a couple of

604
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:15,960
Speaker 4: years ago Dane and I asked him. I was like,

605
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:19,200
Speaker 4: you know, typical softball question, who's the better brother? And

606
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:21,600
Speaker 4: He's like, it's him. He's not the better receiver, but

607
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:24,280
Speaker 4: it's him. So what stands out to you about Caleb

608
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:26,720
Speaker 4: Downs and what makes him so unique and different as

609
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:28,960
Speaker 4: a safety because we know that position that like to

610
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 4: talk about personal value isn't always viewed in the same

611
00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:31,800
Speaker 4: light as others.

612
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:33,760
Speaker 3: No, I mean, when's the last Tiody saw our top

613
00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:37,040
Speaker 3: ten safety Jamal Adams. Right, you know, it's just it's

614
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:40,960
Speaker 3: been a minute, and most teams have that I think

615
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:44,040
Speaker 3: line of thinking, but Downs is just different, and especially

616
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:45,600
Speaker 3: in this draft where it's a little bit late at

617
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:48,560
Speaker 3: the top. I just talking to a couple of teams

618
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:52,440
Speaker 3: this week. You know the most impressive interview, oh Caleb Downs.

619
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Speaker 3: Oh it's Kale Downs. I mean that you hear that

620
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:58,440
Speaker 3: a lot sunny styles get some votes to but Downs

621
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:01,720
Speaker 3: has been universally he praised for and that's not a

622
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 3: surprise when you think about how smart he is. I mean,

623
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:07,560
Speaker 3: he showed up as a freshman for Nick Saban and

624
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 3: was the leader of that defense. He's played for three

625
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:13,160
Speaker 3: different defensive coordinators the last three years, three different schemes,

626
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 3: and he's been a star of all three. So everything

627
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:19,600
Speaker 3: that Matt Patricia did this past year for Ohio State,

628
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:23,840
Speaker 3: all the different disguises, the different traps, the different like

629
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Speaker 3: it's all because you have a safety like Caleb Downs

630
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Speaker 3: who can handle it mentally. You know, we talk so

631
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:32,480
Speaker 3: much about with DB's the physical ability and that's great,

632
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 3: but having the mental capacity to understand what the offense

633
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:39,160
Speaker 3: is doing and then communicate that that's everything. And like

634
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:41,240
Speaker 3: we talk so much about Nick mun worried for the

635
00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:44,280
Speaker 3: Seahawks and what he meant this year. Right when you

636
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:48,360
Speaker 3: watch the Seattle Seahawks tape, it's Devin Witherspoon that's saying, Hey, Nick,

637
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:50,959
Speaker 3: you're doing this, or Hey Tterreek Wuillan, you're doing this.

638
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:54,040
Speaker 3: Devin Witherspoon is getting everybody right. When Devin Witherspoon's not

639
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:56,600
Speaker 3: on the field, the Seattle Seahawks defense is not even

640
00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:59,440
Speaker 3: close to the same because of that communication aspect. It's

641
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 3: the same thing with Kaitlin downs, having not only his

642
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:07,040
Speaker 3: ability at safety, but his communication and ability to get

643
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 3: everybody lined up in the right spots. That is something

644
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 3: that doesn't show up in the box order, doesn't get

645
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 3: talked about enough, but is something that coaches and scouts

646
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 3: certainly care about and something that I will separate down

647
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:18,880
Speaker 3: starout the process.

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Speaker 1: Love me some, Dane Braugler, So thank you to that conversation.

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Speaker 1: Hope you guys enjoyed it. Eddie Garrison got a few

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Speaker 1: minutes left here for a couple of Twitter questions.

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Speaker 2: We'll start with Zach why is there no real momentum

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Speaker 2: around Riley Leonard when Houston, a top defense in the NFL,

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Speaker 2: was still playing for something. In the first half, Riley

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Speaker 2: Leonard would eight of thirteen for two touchdowns. The sixty

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Speaker 2: one point five percentage completion percentage. I think we all

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Speaker 2: would have signed up for that from a rookie's first

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Speaker 2: career start. So why not build on that at a

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Speaker 2: much cheaper cost than Daniel Jones? Thanks Eddie.

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Speaker 1: Will they match anything? I assume, but you know, some

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Speaker 1: of the penny pinching, I'm not gung ho on now.

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Speaker 1: You know, as far as Riley Leonard, boy, there's no

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Speaker 1: way to answer this question, I guess without sounding like

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Speaker 1: you're just attacking Leonard a little bit, I said, when

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Speaker 1: the Leonard pick happened, this is a ideal quarterback to

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Speaker 1: draft in round six. He has so many traits that

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Speaker 1: you would like, and he definitely has some big time

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Speaker 1: areas where he needs to improve, but like he's gonna work,

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Speaker 1: and you know, sometimes the Day three pick is the reverse.

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Speaker 1: You kind of got a coach to work ethic into him.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, I just am not ready to say one

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Speaker 1: and a half games of a sixth round pick is

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Speaker 1: a slam dunk. And you know, I guess it's a

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Speaker 1: little unfair to Riley, but I think it's just living

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Speaker 1: in the dose of reality. There's part of me that

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Speaker 1: thinksist like if Daniel Jones were to walk or like

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Speaker 1: it get too rich for him, Eddie, Is there any way,

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Speaker 1: shape or form you could crawl back to Anthony Richardson

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Speaker 1: and you tell Anthony Richardson you get the first eight games,

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Speaker 1: Riley Leonard, you get the second eight game.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, do you think there was.

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Speaker 1: Any Colts fans I would sign up with that right now?

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Speaker 2: I'm sure there's probably told him.

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Speaker 1: The twenty twenty sixth season would be nine games of

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Speaker 1: Anthony Richardson eight games of Riley Leonard. You imagine if

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Speaker 1: a team like did that.

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Speaker 2: Every other week, alternate quarterbacks.

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Speaker 1: To be fair, I would hopefully you would have the

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Speaker 1: middle by.

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Speaker 2: So who you're starting this week? Coach? Yeah, well we'll

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Speaker 2: work through that.

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Speaker 1: That sounds horrific. Now you say that out loud.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll work through that, and you know the starter

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Speaker 2: will know who they're starting smooth we answer that. Uh huh.

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Speaker 2: This is from Jamie, and this is a good one

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Speaker 2: because I think he's a really talented player in the

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Speaker 2: NFL draft. Dane Brugler loves him, so does Daniel Jeremiah

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Speaker 2: and a handful of other draft analysts. This is from Jamie,

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Speaker 2: Drafty Angel, the Ponds, and cut Kenny Moore. Is that

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Speaker 2: a possibility?

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean, Eddie. If I could ask that to

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Speaker 1: Dame Brugler, I think his first question might be does

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Speaker 1: he get to forty seven? D'Angelo Pons? Is he getting

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Speaker 1: to forty seven? Overall? You know, our conversation with Dane,

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Speaker 1: I believe was on the day the morning when Dangelo

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Speaker 1: Pons jumped whatever he did in the verse and alf So,

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Speaker 1: you know, does that help out his lack of heights

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Speaker 1: in terms of solidifying him at the top of round two?

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Speaker 1: Just to play that out. So but you know, again,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna go back to what I said earlier. I

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Speaker 1: think when we were early in the offseason, Eddie, you

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Speaker 1: and I had a segment where I just threw the

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Speaker 1: three names at you, Pittman, Franklin, Moore. Is it a

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Speaker 1: slam dunk the all back? Now again, how can you

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Speaker 1: get around the losses of those guys? Okay, well, if

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Speaker 1: you get around Pittman, you you you're bringing back Pierce,

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Speaker 1: you know whatever. You can draft a white out something

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Speaker 1: you know annually there there seems to be a good

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Speaker 1: amount of layoffs. Franklin. Obviously, linebacker depth is a question,

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Speaker 1: but you've drafted great there and then at corner you'd

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Speaker 1: be banking a whole lot into Justin Wally. But again,

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Speaker 1: you do have something. I was interested intrigued.

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Speaker 2: It caught my ear Ballard mentioned Jalen Carlyis he did

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Speaker 2: in the media scrim after the podium when you asked

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Speaker 2: him about somebody asked him about linebacker, and.

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Speaker 1: He did mention Wally and Hunter Wooler he did him

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Speaker 1: of safety just to kind of go over everybody there,

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Speaker 1: So I don't it's an interesting thought, Jamie. Now, I

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Speaker 1: still think the front seven needs a good amount, but

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Speaker 1: still it is an interesting thought there that you would.

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Speaker 2: Have players that could get extended to kind of alleviate

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Speaker 2: some of that cap for this year. Kevin Are We've

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Speaker 2: already said Michael Quitman Jr. Quentin Nelson, and Jonathan Taylor.

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Speaker 2: Those are kind of like the Big Three.

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Speaker 1: Which again that gets you somewhere, but I don't know

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Speaker 1: if it gets you all the way there.

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Speaker 2: Yep. And the final question on today's pot is from Luke.

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Speaker 2: If Alec Pierce were to leave for another team in

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Speaker 2: the first twenty four to forty eight hours of free agency,

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Speaker 2: how desperate would that make the Colts when it comes

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Speaker 2: to matching other offers for Daniel Jones. While it appears

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Speaker 2: they have a ceiling on what they think he's worth

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Speaker 2: based on opting for the transition tag against the franchise tag,

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Speaker 2: I can't imagine the Colts would want the embarrassment of

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Speaker 2: losing both players after assuring fans the urgency has never

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Speaker 2: been hired to win in twenty twenty six, do you

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Speaker 2: think that they would match any possible offer if Pierce

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Speaker 2: is already gone, or is there a chance that they'd

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Speaker 2: actually let both leave.

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Speaker 1: I cannot see both. I mean, obviously it would totally

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Speaker 1: change up what you're working with this this offseason. You know,

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Speaker 1: my guess is Jones is definitely bad. You know, Pierce,

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Speaker 1: I think it's just truly up in the air. Boy,

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Speaker 1: you got to have that agent's word, and that's a

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Speaker 1: dangerous game to play. That is a dangerous game to play.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I thought, go ahead.

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Speaker 1: That's why I thought the Bucks now Ji earlier was

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Speaker 1: was really good. So again, in a vacuum, thirty seven

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Speaker 1: million for Daniel Jones. We don't really think anyone likes

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Speaker 1: our quarterback that much. That's kind of what the Colts

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Speaker 1: are saying. I don't think they're necessarily that wrong in it.

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Speaker 1: But again, there are some risk with the reward not

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Speaker 1: being that big. That's what I want to stress. The

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Speaker 1: reward is not the Pacers sitting there with a top

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Speaker 1: four pick. It's not. It's really six million, which is

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Speaker 1: again two percent of the cap. Given the cold situation

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Speaker 1: and all the things they need to do, maybe they

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Speaker 1: view it that significantly mm hmm.

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Speaker 2: Dallas just restructured, Dak Prescott and Tyler Smith opened up

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Speaker 2: forty seven million that.

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Speaker 1: Time of year, that time of year. He is Eddie Garrison.

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Speaker 1: I am Kevin Bowen, and we'll be back next week.

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Speaker 1: We'll see it will be very, very fluid, but I

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Speaker 1: wanted to make sure we got this your way. Signing off,

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Speaker 1: Colt's going with myself, Kevin Boone