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Speaker 2: The fan lots of football to get to, of course,

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Speaker 2: all who cover it, and many general managers and many

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Speaker 2: downtown to Indianapolis as they do every year to start

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Speaker 2: getting ready for the brand new year of the NFL

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Speaker 2: with free agency getting ready to start, and declarations on

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Speaker 2: But we will start this morning if you're just joining

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Speaker 2: us by talking about the Indiana Pacers. And yesterday in

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Speaker 2: the nine o'clock hour, Rick Carlisle came on and as

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Speaker 2: he does every week, was talking to us, hearing the

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Speaker 2: fan talking to you guys, and he kind of clapped

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Speaker 2: back against the NBA and its investigation in the run

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Speaker 2: up to their one hundred thousand dollars fine from the

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Speaker 2: league for lack of a better word, tanking, clap back

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Speaker 2: pretty hard, so much so you posted it on social media.

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Speaker 2: It kind of went viraltly within NBA media circles so

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Speaker 2: much so that the NBA Kevin decided they had to

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Speaker 2: put out a response yesterday in the afternoon.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and and James, maybe we'll play the clip and

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Speaker 3: then go ahead and share the NBA statement. We kind

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Speaker 3: of play off of it like that. But again, just

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Speaker 3: to set everything up from yesterday with Rick Carlisle, we

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Speaker 3: had him on as we always do, and you know, James.

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Speaker 4: This is what we're about.

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Speaker 3: Two weeks removed, I guess from the fine, and this

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Speaker 3: is our first conversation with Rick since that because the

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Speaker 3: NBA Star Break, we didn't have him on last week,

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Speaker 3: and you know, he had released I would say, just

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Speaker 3: kind of a relatively bland statement.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, not mining. Yeah, mild is a good

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Speaker 4: way to put it.

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Speaker 3: And I was just kind of curious if two weeks later,

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Speaker 3: or if he was ready to, you know, maybe open

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Speaker 3: up a little bit, and clearly he was. So this

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Speaker 3: was Rick Carlisle with us yesterday about the one hundred

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Speaker 3: thousand dollars fine for the pacers.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I you know, I put out a statement about it.

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Speaker 6: I didn't.

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Speaker 5: I didn't agree with it.

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Speaker 7: It was there was a.

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Speaker 5: There was a league lawyer that was doing the interview

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Speaker 5: that kind of unilaterally decided that Aaron need Smith, who

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Speaker 5: had been injured the night before and couldn't hold the ball,

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Speaker 5: should have played in the game, which just seems ridiculous.

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Speaker 5: And during the interview process, I was not on it,

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Speaker 5: but I but I heard details. We asked them if

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Speaker 5: they wanted to talk to the doctors, our doctors about it,

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Speaker 5: because it's something that was documented by our doctors and trainers.

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Speaker 7: Uh, they said no, they didn't need to.

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Speaker 5: They talked to their doctors who did not examine Aaron Smith,

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Speaker 5: and we asked them if they wanted to talk to

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Speaker 5: the kid, and they said no, they didn't need to.

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Speaker 7: So this was this was shocking.

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Speaker 5: This was shocking to me. And during the interview they

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Speaker 5: also asked if we considered dedicating him to play in

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Speaker 5: a game when we were thirty games under five hundred,

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Speaker 5: So I was I was very surprised, you know, obviously

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Speaker 5: didn't agree with it. This is really the first time

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Speaker 5: I've gone into detail about it. But that was that

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Speaker 7: That was it.

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Speaker 2: You posted that, and that's when that's when the fight started,

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Speaker 2: so to speak, Kevin. People started spreading it around. Then

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Speaker 2: before you know it, the NBA issued a statement.

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Speaker 8: James Boyd, Yeah, we had to reach out to them

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Speaker 8: for comment, and here's what they said, probably about I

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Speaker 8: had ended, early afternoon, and it says coach Carlisle's description

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Speaker 8: of the process that went into the decision to find

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Speaker 8: the Indiana Pacers is inaccurate. An independent physician led the

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Speaker 8: medical review. In addition, the Pacers general manager and the

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Speaker 8: team senior vice presidents of sports medicine and performance were

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Speaker 8: interviewed as part of the process. The Pacers confirmed that

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Speaker 8: it had provided all of the information requested by the league,

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Speaker 8: and the team reported that an interview with coach Carla

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Speaker 8: The team confirmed it, Like what does that even mean? Like,

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Speaker 8: so you're basically telling us, okay, well, we disagree with

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Speaker 8: and so to me it sounded like, well, these are

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Speaker 8: this bag and feel free to weigh and you always like,

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Speaker 8: these rules sound very dumb and they don't make a

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Speaker 3: Yeah, first off, the whole saying that you could medicate

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Speaker 3: statement does not debunk Rick's original comments is quite quite alarming.

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Speaker 3: Can you imagine James Boyd, Let's shift it to the

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Speaker 3: Can you imagine if Roger Goodell and his team said

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Speaker 3: to the Colts in schavarious ward, hey man, here's some advil,

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Speaker 3: go play with your concussion, like you know, if you

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Speaker 3: want to put it into those sorts of terms. And

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Speaker 3: that's where Rick came back, and he didn't expand on

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Speaker 3: it a ton last night before the game, but he

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Speaker 3: had one more comment about just the need to stress

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Speaker 3: to defend Aaron E. Smith is kind of where the

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Speaker 3: root of why he shared all that with us yesterday.

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Speaker 3: And you know, aaron his battle a variety of injuries,

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Speaker 3: and I think anybody that watches Aaron E. Smith play basketball,

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Speaker 4: So I was.

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Speaker 3: I was stunned in a way that that was how

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Speaker 3: of me It's like, I'm not too stunned because I

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Speaker 3: you know, I've called it selective punishment quite often, and

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Speaker 3: I think it was a panic to punish without the

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Speaker 3: there as a second offender, if you will. Yeah, And

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Speaker 3: I think they felt the need to throw another team

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Speaker 4: Is when this was you know, hit on there.

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Speaker 8: So like, I get that the exemple us obviously with

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Speaker 8: I feel like we should have a common sense rule

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Speaker 8: Carlisle's point, and I think some of the detractors who

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Speaker 8: whole point, like why would you risk a player even

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Speaker 8: on a rabbit hole. So when you look at the

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Speaker 8: player participation policy, which I'm sure all of you had

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Speaker 8: a great time looking at it alongside me and my

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Speaker 8: when you're reading it, a lot of it applies to

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Speaker 8: star players. And in the NBA they deem star players

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Speaker 8: All NBA team within the last three years plus the

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Speaker 8: it and I'm like, okay, well, why does this even

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Speaker 6: I get this.

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Speaker 8: Siakam initially was mentioned, but they mentioned indirectly other two starters,

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Speaker 8: So I'm like, why is that even a thing? So

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Speaker 8: I did some digging around and shout Tony East, my

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Speaker 6: I called him. I'm like, yo, am, I reading this correctly.

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Speaker 8: And as we're going through it, there is a tiny

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Speaker 8: when we get past all the star player participation points

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Speaker 8: whether or not they can play, there is a clause

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Speaker 8: if there is another player who quote does not participate

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Speaker 8: of the commissioner prejudicial or detrimental to the NBA, he

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Speaker 8: can penalize them. So basically, you have the opportunity to

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Speaker 8: I feel like that to me is what Adam Silver

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Speaker 8: just one sentence that basically gives you an out to

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Speaker 8: But if you want to penalize teams, man, you gotta

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Speaker 8: make it very clear otherwise because it's slippery slope.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, where the Kings were the Wizards?

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Speaker 6: Like, That's what I'm saying, So did you just choose?

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Speaker 6: You know what? Those Pacers?

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Speaker 8: They got on my nerves today, I'm gonna just I'm

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Speaker 8: And I get it, like other teams are gonna say, well,

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Speaker 8: there are they are probably trying to lose. I get that.

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Speaker 8: I get that, but you can't tell me the Kings

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Speaker 2: Last night before the game, Rick Carler was asked about

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Speaker 2: the NBA responding there, he's said, quote, my number one

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Speaker 2: because one of the jobs of a head coach is

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Speaker 2: I don't want to belabor this. It's time to move on,

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Speaker 2: it's time to move forward, but player health. And you've

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Speaker 2: games over the last two years, and one reason is

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Speaker 2: because he goes so hard, and he goes so hard

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Speaker 4: I'll be curious with the NBA players Union steps in

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Speaker 4: it all with this.

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Speaker 8: We did reach out to them for comment. We didn't

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Speaker 7: What's it called? It's called Fandel.

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Speaker 7: Now we're gonna fix this.

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Speaker 4: Kevin Mark had to laugh at me yesterday.

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Speaker 6: Mark, this was.

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Speaker 3: That was a thank you for the Hammon T shirt purchase. Okay,

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Speaker 4: Thank you, thank you.

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Speaker 4: On the show, so you know, Mark, you did reach.

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Speaker 6: NBA, they did get back to you.

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Speaker 3: Nice response there from the NBA. Why Adam Silver has

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Speaker 3: And that's honestly, you want to continue down the conspiracy

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Speaker 7: That's I had.

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Speaker 2: One other thing I did want to mention before we

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I thought Rick out whatever three four,

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Speaker 2: Well you would think. So we got a busy day

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Speaker 2: here for you this morning here the Fan Morning Show.

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Speaker 2: get ready for another game tonight in Big East Conference play.

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Speaker 2: We'll take some more of your thoughts feedback, phone calls

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Speaker 2: the NFL Combine. Joining us now the man of the hour,

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Speaker 7: So you got that going for you.

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Speaker 7: Welcome back. Thank you to see you again.

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Speaker 11: Oh, oh goodness, see you.

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Speaker 2: Is there such a thing as an offseason, like even

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Speaker 12: the road, but you're home and you're working from home.

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Speaker 12: When you move in the office. On the pro side,

441
00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:09,879
Speaker 12: there's you're in the office. I mean, like when it

442
00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:13,560
Speaker 12: starts in July, we don't get off until after the draft.

443
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Speaker 12: So it's a grind, but it's a it's when you're

444
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Speaker 12: doing what you love to do. I've never saw it

445
00:20:19,119 --> 00:20:22,720
Speaker 12: as work, so feel fortunate. But there's never a time off.

446
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Speaker 11: There's not.

447
00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:26,399
Speaker 12: There's just that's that's just the way it is. And

448
00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:28,040
Speaker 12: I don't know if I could take you know, I

449
00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:30,880
Speaker 12: don't I don't know if I could take a lot

450
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Speaker 12: of time off. I mean, I'm just so used to working.

451
00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:34,879
Speaker 12: I mean that's all I've done my whole life. So

452
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Speaker 12: I feel fortunate and blessed to be able to do

453
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Speaker 12: what I do and and be involved every day.

454
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Speaker 4: Chris, thank you for the time.

455
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Speaker 7: This time.

456
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Speaker 3: Last year was a lot about defensive back when you

457
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Speaker 3: chatted with us here. Do you view defensive line now

458
00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:50,639
Speaker 3: in that light this year in terms of the off

459
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Speaker 3: season focus.

460
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Speaker 12: Yeah, I mean, like you've got to I think you believe.

461
00:20:55,640 --> 00:20:58,360
Speaker 12: I believe you went up front. I've always believed that's

462
00:20:58,359 --> 00:21:02,159
Speaker 12: been a core belief and so there's no question it.

463
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Speaker 12: You know, every year we try to do the best

464
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Speaker 12: we can to make sure we have a front that

465
00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:09,400
Speaker 12: can win because when it really shows up is later

466
00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:11,960
Speaker 12: in the season and that's when your depth shows up.

467
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Speaker 12: So it is a priority for us here going forward. Uh.

468
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Speaker 3: Draft wise, you know, obviously prospects starting talk to the

469
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Speaker 3: media today, you guys have done extraordinary job at drafting

470
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Speaker 3: offensive line.

471
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Speaker 4: Then in your tenure, when you.

472
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Speaker 3: Look at that position group specifically really outside a round

473
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Speaker 3: one you have, why do you feel like you've been

474
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Speaker 3: so successful?

475
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Speaker 11: I would tell you it was a lot. It was

476
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Speaker 11: the one.

477
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Speaker 12: It was the it was the hardest to learn, Okay,

478
00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:39,200
Speaker 12: it just took years to learn what played in the

479
00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:43,359
Speaker 12: league and then what was successful in the league. Being

480
00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:46,119
Speaker 12: with Jerry Angelo, I thought I thought he did a

481
00:21:46,119 --> 00:21:48,920
Speaker 12: really good job. Bobby DePaul at the time, who was

482
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Speaker 12: our pro director, and then going with coach Reid and

483
00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:55,119
Speaker 12: John Dorsey really kind of clarified everything. Okay, here's what

484
00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:57,680
Speaker 12: we're looking for and here's what succeeds in the league.

485
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Speaker 12: You gotta get little luck sometimes where it falls your way,

486
00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:04,200
Speaker 12: which we've you know gotten, But on the flip side

487
00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:07,600
Speaker 12: of that, we've been able to identify the right traits

488
00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:09,680
Speaker 12: and a player that can make them successful. I he

489
00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:12,480
Speaker 12: you know Will Fries who went on and you know

490
00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:14,199
Speaker 12: has had a heck of a career and as a

491
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Speaker 12: seventh round pick and done tremendous.

492
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Speaker 11: So our group does a great job.

493
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Speaker 12: I mean we talk consistently about it, and it's always

494
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Speaker 12: going to position that you don't ever want to go

495
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Speaker 12: short because it when when the season hits, I mean,

496
00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:31,639
Speaker 12: take quarterback out of the equation. The bigs are the

497
00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:34,879
Speaker 12: hardest to find on the on the street. They're just

498
00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:37,360
Speaker 12: not there, you know, And that's why you've always seen

499
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Speaker 12: us go heavy on the old line D line. That's

500
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Speaker 12: as the attrition through this season, you know, builds up,

501
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Speaker 12: and it does. I mean every year, the team you

502
00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:50,160
Speaker 12: start with in August is never the same team you're

503
00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:52,919
Speaker 12: getting you're playing with in December, So you've got to

504
00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:55,159
Speaker 12: have enough depth and the bigs are the ones you

505
00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:57,280
Speaker 12: always got to try to find and stay with.

506
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Speaker 3: Conversely, d N has not had anywhere near that sort

507
00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:05,480
Speaker 3: of success. Why and has your evaluation of that position

508
00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:08,080
Speaker 3: group needed to change draft wise over the years.

509
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Speaker 12: Yeah, I don't you know, And you're right, we've not produced.

510
00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:14,879
Speaker 12: The one real disappointing thing for me is we've not

511
00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:18,640
Speaker 12: found a guy that you know, is an elite rusher.

512
00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:21,000
Speaker 12: I think we've had good rushers. I think a lot

513
00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:25,240
Speaker 12: too still is coming into his own. It takes time

514
00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:28,920
Speaker 12: to learn how to rush in this league, and us

515
00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:32,360
Speaker 12: not being in the playoffs has not been able to

516
00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:36,480
Speaker 12: show kind of the world you know, how he plays

517
00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:37,879
Speaker 12: and not getting that exposure.

518
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Speaker 11: So I do think he has a lot of upside.

519
00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:42,240
Speaker 12: And look, I don't want to take anything away from

520
00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:44,600
Speaker 12: some of the guys Quity pay play good football for us.

521
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Speaker 12: Sometimes the expectations of a first round pick, no matter

522
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Speaker 12: if he's the first pick of the draft or the

523
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Speaker 12: twentieth pick of the draft, everybody think, Okay, he's automatically

524
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Speaker 12: going to be a ten to fifteen, sat guy automatically

525
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Speaker 12: and that's that's not the case.

526
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Speaker 11: I do giggles sometimes because I think we broke.

527
00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:04,439
Speaker 12: The sack record a couple of years ago, and we

528
00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:07,040
Speaker 12: did it without you know, without Frannie and Mathis who

529
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Speaker 12: were you know? In my mind, you know two hall

530
00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:11,240
Speaker 12: of fame, one of them already in the Hall of Fame.

531
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Speaker 12: The other one should be Chris.

532
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Speaker 8: When you look back on last season, obviously all had

533
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Speaker 8: the eight and two star.

534
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Speaker 6: Finish eight nine, you.

535
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Speaker 8: Can look at it through two lenses of we were

536
00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:24,760
Speaker 8: great the first half, not scrit second half. How do

537
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Speaker 8: you evaluate the whole thing when you know it's year

538
00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:30,159
Speaker 8: to your league and your final records eight nine?

539
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Speaker 12: Well, the one Shane and I have talked a lot

540
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Speaker 12: about this, and we've talked about it as a group,

541
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Speaker 12: you know, coaching staff and scouting that like the we

542
00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:43,760
Speaker 12: got to find a way to win, you know, these

543
00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:47,200
Speaker 12: tough ball games. We lost so many down the stretch

544
00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:51,919
Speaker 12: that were you know, a play here, play there, and like,

545
00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:54,600
Speaker 12: injuries are not an excuse in this league.

546
00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:56,040
Speaker 11: They're just they're gonna happen.

547
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Speaker 12: Injuries are gonna happen, and you've got to be able

548
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Speaker 12: to over come that, and you've got to be able

549
00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:03,800
Speaker 12: to get in a street fight sometimes and win the

550
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Speaker 12: street fight. And like, don't like one thing I've told

551
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Speaker 12: Shane this little fun like don't lose.

552
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Speaker 11: Let's start with don't lose the game.

553
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Speaker 12: Okay, if you look at our record eight and two,

554
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Speaker 12: and we were playing really good football, I think we

555
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Speaker 12: were plus nine, and then you look at the last

556
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Speaker 12: the last eight games of the season, I think we're

557
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Speaker 12: minus nine, are minus ten. So just turning the football

558
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Speaker 12: over and not playing taking care of the things that

559
00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:36,919
Speaker 12: you have to do to win. We have got to

560
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:40,800
Speaker 12: improve on that, without question, and it's and it's hard.

561
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Speaker 12: I don't want to sit here and say I don't

562
00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:44,040
Speaker 12: think eight and two is mirage. I think we had

563
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Speaker 12: a really good football team.

564
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Speaker 11: But even if we'd have remained.

565
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Speaker 12: Healthy, Okay, everybody's healthy and we're going you can't play

566
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:57,760
Speaker 12: and turn the ball over and do things that are

567
00:25:57,800 --> 00:25:58,880
Speaker 12: not winning football.

568
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Speaker 11: I don't care who you have.

569
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Speaker 12: So we've got to prove and excited about you know,

570
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:06,000
Speaker 12: the things we have coming back and the plan we

571
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Speaker 12: have going forward.

572
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Speaker 11: So we'll go from.

573
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Speaker 6: There along those lines.

574
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Speaker 8: Chris, what is the balance of believing in what you

575
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:16,800
Speaker 8: saw when you were eight and two, and then talking

576
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Speaker 8: to saying yesterday, talking to you over the years, knowing

577
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Speaker 8: that you can't get too caught up with what you

578
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:25,320
Speaker 8: were because this lely especially, it changes on a dime.

579
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Speaker 12: Yeah, and every year is different, Every team's different. It's

580
00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:32,879
Speaker 12: never the same. And I can't send or say okay,

581
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:36,960
Speaker 12: look back, snap my fingers, say okay, everything's gonna be okay.

582
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Speaker 11: We were eight and two. We're just gonna go off that.

583
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Speaker 12: Now now we have improvement we have to make in

584
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:44,879
Speaker 12: a lot of different areas on the team. We had

585
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Speaker 12: to continue to increase the depth of our team and

586
00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:50,680
Speaker 12: the competition our team and then allow our guys to

587
00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:54,080
Speaker 12: compete and guys that are earning it making sure they're

588
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:58,120
Speaker 12: getting on the field. But every year is different. This

589
00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:00,280
Speaker 12: is a new year. We're excited about where we're going,

590
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:03,520
Speaker 12: but we got work to do. We do and it's

591
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:05,800
Speaker 12: a bunch of work. And you know, between now and

592
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:09,119
Speaker 12: started the season, you know we're gonna work pretty effort,

593
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 12: you know, tireshly to get it done.

594
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:13,360
Speaker 8: Well more and I'll pass it to Jeff. But talk

595
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:15,119
Speaker 8: about work to do. We talked a lot about al

596
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:18,359
Speaker 8: Pearce and obviously Daniel Jones. Another free agent to be

597
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:22,600
Speaker 8: is Nick Cross. How would you evaluate his season the

598
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:24,840
Speaker 8: last couple of years and also what he means to

599
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:26,680
Speaker 8: this team and possibly trying to bring him back?

600
00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:31,480
Speaker 12: It was Nick Nick was a so we it's never

601
00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:34,920
Speaker 12: a player's fault when you draft him at twenty years old.

602
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:38,639
Speaker 12: You know, they don't get they we choose them, okay,

603
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:41,640
Speaker 12: And so to what, Nick's still a I think he's

604
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:43,399
Speaker 12: still twenty four. He might have turned twenty five, but

605
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:45,919
Speaker 12: he I think he's twenty four still. So we drafted

606
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,719
Speaker 12: him at twenty and then we were we thrust him

607
00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:51,200
Speaker 12: into a trying to get him in there right away,

608
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:54,919
Speaker 12: and he just wasn't quite ready. And so to watch

609
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:58,760
Speaker 12: his growth has been really, you know, fun to watch.

610
00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:01,400
Speaker 12: I've said this multiple times, like one of the really

611
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:06,280
Speaker 12: neat things about the job is watching guys mature and

612
00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:09,040
Speaker 12: turn into men. Yeah they're not men when they come

613
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:10,879
Speaker 12: into this league. They think they are, but they're not.

614
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 12: But to watch them mature, turning two men into professionals,

615
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:19,280
Speaker 12: and that's when one of the cool things about Nick

616
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:21,320
Speaker 12: he does mean a lot. We have a lot of

617
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:24,120
Speaker 12: moving parts here, so we'll see that it works out.

618
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:27,120
Speaker 12: We've we've had talks with his representative. I've known him well,

619
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:29,640
Speaker 12: and I'm proud of Nick, and I'm happy for Nick.

620
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:33,600
Speaker 12: And look sometimes like for players, and I tell them

621
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:36,080
Speaker 12: this when they're rookies, like they're gonna come a point

622
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 12: when you and I don't agree and you don't like

623
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:42,400
Speaker 12: me because of finances, don't like.

624
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:43,200
Speaker 11: There's a there's this.

625
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:45,480
Speaker 12: Big pie, and I can we can slice it up

626
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:49,920
Speaker 12: and and give that piece of the pie, and somebody

627
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:51,640
Speaker 12: might be willing to give you a bigger piece of

628
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:51,920
Speaker 12: the pie.

629
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Speaker 11: And if that happens, good. We've both done our jobs.

630
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:56,840
Speaker 12: We've done our job developing you, and you've done an

631
00:28:56,920 --> 00:29:00,280
Speaker 12: unbelievable job taking the coaching and getting better and and

632
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:02,840
Speaker 12: each and every year. And you deserve this opportunity. So

633
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:04,800
Speaker 12: we'll see what the future holds with Nick. I'm proud

634
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:07,920
Speaker 12: of him, I'm happy for him. He made it the

635
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 12: free agency and he's he's made it on a high note.

636
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:12,200
Speaker 11: So we'll see how that works out.

637
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 2: Talk about secondary if money war decides to come back,

638
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:19,120
Speaker 2: and we don't know that answer quite yet, but do

639
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:21,960
Speaker 2: you still get excited about the possibility of having everybody

640
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 2: that you put together last year healthy and able to

641
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:25,840
Speaker 2: play for a significant.

642
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:26,200
Speaker 7: Chunk of a season.

643
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:29,680
Speaker 2: Talk to me about what you think of health right

644
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:32,080
Speaker 2: now for that overall group and what you think is possible.

645
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:36,680
Speaker 12: Well, look, it's a it's a very you know, we're humming.

646
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:40,160
Speaker 12: It's a very talented group. And Mooney, like, Mooney's a

647
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:44,440
Speaker 12: really special young man and he's been through some hard

648
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:45,680
Speaker 12: things in life.

649
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:46,160
Speaker 11: Okay.

650
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:49,719
Speaker 12: I talked to Mooney this morning. I called him drivers

651
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:56,680
Speaker 12: the best. His voice just sounded really positive and good

652
00:29:56,720 --> 00:30:00,600
Speaker 12: of where he's at all right, And he went to work.

653
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 12: He knew he had to do some work, not just

654
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 12: you know, on the injury stuff, but you know also personally.

655
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:07,960
Speaker 12: You know, he said some hard things in his life

656
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:12,479
Speaker 12: that he's had to overcome and that's not easy. And

657
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:15,800
Speaker 12: then being able to get you know, if if Mooney's here,

658
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:19,600
Speaker 12: which you know, anticipating, yes, but if he's here, and

659
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Speaker 12: then you know, you got sauce. When you have two

660
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Speaker 12: corners that can play man to man, it helps the.

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Speaker 11: Rest of it.

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Speaker 12: It's gonna allow Lou and the defense to do a

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Speaker 12: defensive staff to do some things that I think is

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Speaker 12: really gonna help us. And I think you saw some

665
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Speaker 12: really good stuff when they were in there together, like

666
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Speaker 12: when the Kansas City game, like when they played now

667
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Speaker 12: they ended up having to play ninety five snaps, and look,

668
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Speaker 12: the more snaps you give Andy Reid and Pat Mahomes,

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Speaker 12: eventually they're gonna, I don't I don't care who you got,

670
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Speaker 12: They're gonna they're gonna get you. But we played a

671
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Speaker 12: lot of mando man in that game.

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Speaker 11: And they held up really well for a long time.

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Speaker 12: So excited about seeing, you know, trying to get those

674
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Speaker 12: two on the field together and and seeing what they

675
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Speaker 12: could do.

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Speaker 3: Get in live here at the combine. Chris Ballard Colts

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Speaker 3: GM is with us on radio row. Chris, you've largely

678
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Speaker 3: had the same captains throughout this playoff drought. How do

679
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Speaker 3: you evaluate the leadership of your football team when a

680
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:23,800
Speaker 3: the playoff success hasn't been there be the late season

681
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Speaker 3: collapses have been pretty annual.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, no, and that's a fair that's a fair question.

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Speaker 12: Shane and I have actually we've had discussions about that

684
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Speaker 12: because we have really I mean.

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Speaker 11: Look y'all go through a locker room. We have really

686
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Speaker 11: good dudes.

687
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Speaker 12: They care, they want to win, They do everything they

688
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Speaker 12: can in their power to do the right things. We

689
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Speaker 12: have to make sure that they're getting I mean, you know, leaders,

690
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Speaker 12: you know, we got to help them lead sometimes, if

691
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Speaker 12: that makes sense. I mean, we all have growth to do,

692
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Speaker 12: even all. I mean I have growth to do in

693
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Speaker 12: that era, and they do, and we need to do.

694
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Speaker 12: We need to help them grow along the way too

695
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Speaker 12: of things that we want done to make sure that

696
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Speaker 12: that is getting spread through the locker room. I think

697
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Speaker 12: Shane does a really good job now, but you know,

698
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Speaker 12: just at this at this time, you know, because of

699
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Speaker 12: the results, it hadn't been what we wanted. So we've

700
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Speaker 12: got to make sure that we're leading them in the right.

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Speaker 4: Direction to you expect Zia Franklin back.

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Speaker 11: We'll see love ziir.

703
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Speaker 12: I think like my relationship with him, he's very honest

704
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Speaker 12: and he's very strong willed. Darius was very similar Leonard

705
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Speaker 12: and usually good players are like that. So we'll see

706
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Speaker 12: how it plays out.

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Speaker 11: I'm a.

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Speaker 12: When football I'll tell you this, when football is over,

709
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Speaker 12: Za Franklin is going to be a star and whatever

710
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Speaker 12: he decides to do in life. He is smart, he

711
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Speaker 12: is extremely mentally tough. He's everything you want in a

712
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Speaker 12: in a in a player in terms of makeup.

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Speaker 4: So what is a fan of the podcast?

714
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Speaker 12: Needless to say, Zaire and I've had some some some

715
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Speaker 12: discussions about the podcast.

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Speaker 11: Look, here's what I do like.

717
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Speaker 12: I love that he's passionate about what could be next

718
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Speaker 12: in life, like every one of our players. I want

719
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Speaker 12: that for But also, you know, sometimes we've got to

720
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Speaker 12: learn to temper some of the words that come out

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Speaker 12: of our mouths, Chris, and.

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Speaker 11: That includes me. This is not that includes me too.

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Speaker 7: That's growth, right.

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Speaker 4: There, Chris.

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Speaker 6: Words this morning from Chris Ballady.

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Speaker 8: We have close you know, Chris Baalor live from the

727
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Speaker 8: Combine joining us here on the fan morning. So, Chris,

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Speaker 8: when you look at Anthony's entire tenure here in Indianapolis,

729
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Speaker 8: how would you evaluate it?

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Speaker 6: Number one? And number two we'll like, how Crystal is

731
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Speaker 6: his future here? And I get that you believe in him.

732
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Speaker 8: You've been championing him since for everything up ups and downs,

733
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Speaker 8: and I mean I've been guilty of criticizing you and

734
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Speaker 8: and him, but when he doesn't.

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Speaker 6: And Daniel exactly yeah, all of them.

736
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Speaker 7: You know, I don't know.

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Speaker 8: But my point is, when you're evaluating him, how do

738
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Speaker 8: you I guess, figure out what his future is here

739
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Speaker 8: when you're also trying to resign Daniel Jones and Riley

740
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Speaker 8: has shown some things as well.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, look, you can never have enough good players at

742
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Speaker 12: one position.

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Speaker 7: All right.

744
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Speaker 12: Let's let's that that's they might not be always happy

745
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:40,560
Speaker 12: about it, but you can't have enough good players. And look,

746
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Speaker 12: it is hard to evaluate him right now. Anthony's still young.

747
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Speaker 12: I mean he is still young. I want to say

748
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Speaker 12: he's twenty four years old, all right, So the future

749
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Speaker 12: is still in front of Anthony. The injuries always make

750
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Speaker 12: it tough to finish it, to get a complete evaluation.

751
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Speaker 11: And look, if you look at the history.

752
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Speaker 12: Of some of these quarterbacks that have gotten hurt early

753
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Speaker 12: in their careers and had some real struggles, but they

754
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Speaker 12: come out the other Side's kind of like I talked

755
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Speaker 12: about yesterday about you know, you got to stand at

756
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Speaker 12: the end of the edge of the abyss and not jump.

757
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Speaker 12: He hasn't jumped, which is a is a good thing.

758
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Speaker 12: I'm proud of him. He's had some unfortunate bad luck,

759
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Speaker 12: but we'll see how it goes going forward. I know this,

760
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Speaker 12: he works. I know this offseason he's worked. He's working

761
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Speaker 12: with his guy down there that I think a lot

762
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Speaker 12: of and so we'll see what the future holds with him.

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Speaker 2: Speaking of that, what did you think of the late

764
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Speaker 2: season performance of Riley Leonard?

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Speaker 11: It was fun, I mean, look at fun to watch.

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Speaker 12: I mean it was the game wasn't too big for him,

767
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Speaker 12: which is always number one thing you look at, you know,

768
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Speaker 12: is the game too fast and too big for him?

769
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Speaker 11: And it's not.

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Speaker 12: And you're some about a young man that played in

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Speaker 12: a lot of big games in college. So that that

772
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Speaker 12: part really did and surprise us because it wasn't.

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Speaker 11: Too big for him.

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Speaker 12: His ability to like he has worked really hard mechanically

775
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Speaker 12: getting the ball out faster, like he took to like

776
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Speaker 12: our internally, our guys do a We bring a guy

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Speaker 12: named Chris has who who does some uh sequencing analysis

778
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Speaker 12: on our quarterbacks, and you know, he had some set

779
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Speaker 12: I mean all of it's a it's a constant involvement

780
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Speaker 12: when you're talking mechanics of quarterbacks, like they're always it's

781
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Speaker 12: like a picture, they're always working it. And he took

782
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Speaker 12: the information and worked with our strength staff really hard

783
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Speaker 12: on things he needed to he needed to do with

784
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Speaker 12: his sequencing and it's getting better and it was fun

785
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Speaker 12: to watch in that Houston game, it all kind of

786
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Speaker 12: come together.

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Speaker 11: Now.

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Speaker 12: You know, like any young quarterback, you're gonna you know,

789
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Speaker 12: you got to live with the ups and downs.

790
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Speaker 11: But but he's really smart.

791
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Speaker 12: He's got really good poise, and he can create Those

792
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Speaker 12: are things that I think you saw in the games

793
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Speaker 12: he played in. I thought to throw the against I mean,

794
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Speaker 12: look when when Daniel got hurt, when we all were

795
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Speaker 12: at the game, you could feel kind of a like

796
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:15,839
Speaker 12: the energy just gets sucked. He came in the game

797
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:17,799
Speaker 12: and played well. If you remember he threw the he

798
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Speaker 12: threw the ball to Pittman on a back shoulder for

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Speaker 12: a touchdown that you know, whether I agree with the

800
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:26,440
Speaker 12: car or not, it was p I but still in

801
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Speaker 12: the moment of when and he had just come in

802
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Speaker 12: the game that that kind of gave us some hope. Okay,

803
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:35,760
Speaker 12: look it's not big for me. He can make some plays.

804
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Speaker 12: And then going into the Houston game against look that

805
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Speaker 12: first half that was their starting defense, and he performed well.

806
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Speaker 11: But like any young quarterback, we got to work on

807
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 11: the turnovers. Can't turn the ball over.

808
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 12: And you know there's sometimes where a play is dead

809
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:52,359
Speaker 12: and you just got to understand it's dead. That's part

810
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:55,319
Speaker 12: of his growth, but excited about Riley and where he's going.

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Speaker 3: Do you see an extension for Alec as an either

812
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Speaker 3: or if Pitt is back?

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Speaker 11: No, No, I think we got it. We're still we'll

814
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Speaker 11: work through that. I mean, like plans can.

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Speaker 12: Be a little I wish there was a like you

816
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 12: could just write on Okay, here's the plan. This is

817
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Speaker 12: how it's gonna go. This is the amount of money

818
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 12: this guy's gonna cost. This is and it fits into

819
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Speaker 12: a perfect box. Well, unfortunately that box is it gets

820
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Speaker 12: determined sometimes by the market, all right, which it.

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Speaker 11: Does, and so it's it's fluid. It's very fluid.

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Speaker 3: Would you say that to achieve the off season goals

823
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Speaker 3: you might have to part ways with guys you've resigned

824
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Speaker 3: and or restructure, which is a little bit foreign for you.

825
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:42,920
Speaker 11: That that could happen. Yeah, that could happen.

826
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Speaker 12: The good look, here's the good news, Like going forward,

827
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:51,400
Speaker 12: we're in very good cap and financial shape. Mike Bloom

828
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:54,520
Speaker 12: has done a really good job making sure that not

829
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Speaker 12: only this year, but you know, future years are set

830
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:01,920
Speaker 12: up in a way where you know we can we're

831
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Speaker 12: still open to do business. We've not ever boxed ourselves

832
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Speaker 12: in to where we're hamstrung on what we can do.

833
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Speaker 8: Chris, you were pretty quick in the NFC and press

834
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Speaker 8: conference to back Daniel Jones to say he can be

835
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Speaker 8: your short and long term solution that quarterback.

836
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Speaker 6: Why do you believe in him so much?

837
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Speaker 8: And do you think that commitment to him was already made,

838
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Speaker 8: because this is how we evaluated. Hey, gave Ale two

839
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:27,920
Speaker 8: first round picks for saus Gardner. You don't do that

840
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:30,319
Speaker 8: if you don't believe in your quarterback. So what are

841
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:31,840
Speaker 8: your thoughts on that part of it and also just

842
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:33,920
Speaker 8: moving forward trying to get him here?

843
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 12: Yep, No, have a strong belief in Daniel and you

844
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:42,399
Speaker 12: know he he's a quarterback that did he had to go.

845
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Speaker 12: You know, if he went to New York, had some

846
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:47,560
Speaker 12: struggles early, and I still thought even through the struggles,

847
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:50,960
Speaker 12: he played pretty good football. And you know, take him

848
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Speaker 12: to the playoffs. When's a playoff game. They signed him

849
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:55,439
Speaker 12: to extension and then kind of the wheels came off.

850
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Speaker 12: So he is a quarterback that's standing stood on the

851
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Speaker 12: end of the abyss and did not jump.

852
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Speaker 11: And when we.

853
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Speaker 12: Got him, just his daily professionalism and the way he

854
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:12,760
Speaker 12: works and then to perform, to go out and perform.

855
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Speaker 11: Gave you some confidence.

856
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:15,800
Speaker 12: Look, I can't sit here and say, uh, there's always

857
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Speaker 12: going to be some doubt when it comes to injuries,

858
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:21,839
Speaker 12: because look, he's had he's had some injuries. But there's

859
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Speaker 12: been some other cases that we've studied and looked at

860
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:28,520
Speaker 12: where they've had some injuries too, quarterbacks have and they've

861
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Speaker 12: come back and they've had long, successful careers. I'm willing

862
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:32,759
Speaker 12: to bet on that, and I'm willing to bet on,

863
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Speaker 12: you know, Daniel, just because of who he is, what

864
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:42,080
Speaker 12: he stands for, and his his passion to play the

865
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Speaker 12: game and to be great at the game. It's a he.

866
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Speaker 12: He is a He's not just a nine to five guy.

867
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Speaker 12: I'll never forget where DT David Thorton and I were

868
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Speaker 12: walking out of the building for the seat. We had

869
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Speaker 12: just named him the starter about a week before, and

870
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Speaker 12: we're walking out of the building about eight thirty at

871
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Speaker 12: night and Daniel comes walking back in the building with

872
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Speaker 12: some food.

873
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Speaker 11: That what are you doing because I got to I'm.

874
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:11,600
Speaker 12: Getting ready you know, for the you know, for our

875
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:14,960
Speaker 12: first game, and here's I got some things I need

876
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:16,520
Speaker 12: to finish up. He'd gone to eat and he's like,

877
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:18,480
Speaker 12: I gotta come back and finish this stuff up.

878
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 11: So no, I'm will let you.

879
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:23,320
Speaker 12: You bet on a guy that that like that, that's

880
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:24,839
Speaker 12: he's going to come out the other end the way

881
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 12: we want it to happen.

882
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:29,960
Speaker 8: And then Chris, you're going into your tenth season, was

883
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:32,239
Speaker 8: going through Google and you look a little younger back then.

884
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:34,440
Speaker 8: I guess we all did a I was in high school.

885
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 4: Or whatever college.

886
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:39,040
Speaker 12: See this, Hey, hey, you don't have that. You know

887
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:41,640
Speaker 12: why because you don't have any stress all this gray?

888
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:45,520
Speaker 11: See the difference. No, but you got that fit, but

889
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:47,480
Speaker 11: you got that fix. I can't.

890
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:50,400
Speaker 12: I can't die this because it's come out gray. And

891
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 12: if I diet, everybody will give me cramp for it.

892
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:55,839
Speaker 11: They're starting to show up on you.

893
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:58,359
Speaker 12: You got about and look here and let me tell

894
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:00,160
Speaker 12: you something, James, next time I see.

895
00:41:59,960 --> 00:42:02,319
Speaker 11: You, they better not be. They better not be.

896
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:05,439
Speaker 7: Isn't your guy?

897
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:08,520
Speaker 11: Oh no, he's no doubt.

898
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:14,759
Speaker 8: But along those lines, and you know jokes aside, you

899
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:17,279
Speaker 8: say you always feel the pressure to deliver. Going to

900
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:18,759
Speaker 8: a year where for the first time of your career,

901
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:22,560
Speaker 8: going to find your of your contract. Does the pressure

902
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:25,480
Speaker 8: change it all throughout your experience? Does it change you

903
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:28,680
Speaker 8: at all? When you're going through a job like this

904
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:30,880
Speaker 8: where every single thing that you do is going to

905
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 8: be evaluated, judged, critiqued.

906
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:34,840
Speaker 6: I'll probably do it myself again this week.

907
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:37,759
Speaker 8: Like, how do you handle that and deal with that

908
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:41,920
Speaker 8: knowing that you want to deliver so badly and you

909
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:42,840
Speaker 8: could be running.

910
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:42,960
Speaker 6: Out of time?

911
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:47,799
Speaker 11: Yeah, I like the time thing. I never like.

912
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:53,560
Speaker 12: I don't get stressed about that. I'm passionate about Like

913
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 12: when you look, I've had three I'll tell you this.

914
00:42:55,640 --> 00:43:00,799
Speaker 12: I've had three jobs, four jobs really since college. Okay,

915
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:06,440
Speaker 12: five if you count Hitchcock Junior High but Kingsville whereas

916
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:08,799
Speaker 12: fortunate to learn a lot, Chicago, Kent City.

917
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:10,720
Speaker 11: In here, I've been really blessed.

918
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:15,960
Speaker 12: In every place I've left, it has been hard, Okay,

919
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:19,319
Speaker 12: And why because I invest in people and.

920
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:21,919
Speaker 11: I and I don't this is I don't. I've never

921
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:23,360
Speaker 11: seen it as just a job.

922
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:26,480
Speaker 12: It's about the people in the building, connecting with the

923
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:30,200
Speaker 12: people in the building and caring. And every place I've

924
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:35,000
Speaker 12: left I've had tears because of it. And one day

925
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:37,600
Speaker 12: it'll happen here in Indy, all right, you know, sooner

926
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:40,839
Speaker 12: or later, nobody I can't tell the future. But there's

927
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 12: nothing more than I want than the win for the

928
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 12: fans of this city. They deserve it. We have great fans,

929
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:50,680
Speaker 12: great people. I love the city, I love the way.

930
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:54,799
Speaker 12: Look they're respectful. I know on social media they're not

931
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:58,280
Speaker 12: respectful because they're too chicken. Come say it in person.

932
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:01,040
Speaker 12: Excuse can you blink? Did you blink?

933
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:01,160
Speaker 7: That?

934
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:06,320
Speaker 11: Mar But saying that.

935
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 12: We've got We've got unbelievable fans and nothing more. I

936
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:15,200
Speaker 12: want to win for them, and we're gonna put every year.

937
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:17,359
Speaker 12: We put every bit of our effort into doing that.

938
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:20,520
Speaker 12: It's hard to be in the arena. It's not for everybody,

939
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:24,280
Speaker 12: Like it's not this when when you work in a

940
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:28,279
Speaker 12: in a in a profession where everything you do is

941
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 12: going to be scrutinized right or wrong.

942
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 11: That's just you know what we do.

943
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 12: And I'm gonna tell you, Like, for my children, it's

944
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:40,680
Speaker 12: been like this has been a cool thing for them,

945
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:44,879
Speaker 12: kind of a cool outcome because they've seen the criticism

946
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:48,640
Speaker 12: I take and it, of course, look at it hurts them,

947
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:53,480
Speaker 12: but they have figured out that. You know, I tell

948
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:55,239
Speaker 12: them all the time, don't ever let another don't ever

949
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:58,640
Speaker 12: let another man walk with her dirty feet in your mind. Okay,

950
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:02,720
Speaker 12: do do the best you can do at anything you're doing,

951
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:09,040
Speaker 12: and don't for one second look back and regret anything

952
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 12: that has happened along the way. You can't please everybody

953
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:17,479
Speaker 12: all the time, nothing more. There's nothing more I want

954
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:20,839
Speaker 12: than being able to celebrate with our city downtown.

955
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:23,560
Speaker 11: And that's still the vision and that's still the goal,

956
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 11: all right.

957
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:26,200
Speaker 2: Last thing for me, I know that you and Rick

958
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 2: Carlisle will have each other's backs. He's let back and

959
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:31,120
Speaker 2: forth with the NBA with the last twenty four hours.

960
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:33,440
Speaker 2: Anything you got for Adam Silver of the NBA today

961
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 2: on the Pacers.

962
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:39,480
Speaker 12: Look, I don't know enough about it other than I

963
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:43,000
Speaker 12: love Rick Carlisle and I love the Pacer organization and

964
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:45,760
Speaker 12: I think they're freaking really good at their jobs.

965
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 7: I love it. I love it. You're getting the head.

966
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 12: About it, Connie. I know, Matt he knew. I was

967
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:56,799
Speaker 12: wanting to give an answer to they can't find me,

968
00:45:57,360 --> 00:45:59,600
Speaker 12: I mean, Silver can't find me. If I tell them,

969
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:02,600
Speaker 12: they screw root him for freaking finding them one hundred grand.

970
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:04,600
Speaker 12: I don't work for the NBA and I never will.

971
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:07,160
Speaker 12: I mean, I don't know what to tell you. I

972
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:09,759
Speaker 12: mean they screwed him. I mean I know, Rick, he's

973
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:12,920
Speaker 12: got integrit. I know the organization. I shouldn't get match back.

974
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:15,040
Speaker 12: They're shaking his head. Anyway, We're good.

975
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:18,640
Speaker 7: We appreciate you coming by. We do. Thanks for the

976
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:20,839
Speaker 7: thank you generating.

977
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:36,359
Speaker 1: Live from the NFL Combine in downtown Indianapolis. You were

978
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:46,120
Speaker 1: listening to the fan morning shown.

979
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:50,280
Speaker 7: Look at you, Mark Dykon.

980
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:51,880
Speaker 10: Do you know why I'm playing any of this?

981
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:56,839
Speaker 9: Happy anniversary, boys, it's the one year anniversary.

982
00:46:57,040 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 10: Oh, there we go and off the ground.

983
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:01,959
Speaker 7: There are we off the ground. We're good.

984
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:03,600
Speaker 10: I think we are off the ground.

985
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:06,400
Speaker 4: James Boyd's great doing well.

986
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:09,480
Speaker 8: Yeah, you know I came here. I came to conquer.

987
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:11,240
Speaker 8: You know, I'm getting up the total.

988
00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:13,359
Speaker 7: Poll King of all media, right yeah, man, you.

989
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:15,280
Speaker 6: Know, thank you for my opportunities. Fellas.

990
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 7: No, it's good to.

991
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:18,759
Speaker 4: Keep the ego in there.

992
00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:20,319
Speaker 7: It's actually going very well.

993
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:23,160
Speaker 6: So Tody being humble is for losers and broke people.

994
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:28,000
Speaker 6: That's the story of life, man, the breaking news here

995
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:28,439
Speaker 6: on the show.

996
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 7: I like it. Happy anniversary to you too, Mark Dyke.

997
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:33,680
Speaker 7: And we didn't get you anything.

998
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:36,479
Speaker 10: That's okay. Kevin Bough, I'm I got.

999
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:37,000
Speaker 11: Him not hamming?

1000
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:38,399
Speaker 7: Oh is that what that was? For now.

1001
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:41,560
Speaker 10: Well you Venmo this morning about forty five?

1002
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:43,440
Speaker 4: Did you thank you for that?

1003
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:45,359
Speaker 6: I was like, so sorry, but your mic is cutting off,

1004
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:46,399
Speaker 6: markt I to hear that part.

1005
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:47,279
Speaker 7: How's that work?

1006
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:49,240
Speaker 2: You get somebody in an anniversary present, but then you expect

1007
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:50,400
Speaker 2: a Venmo back in return.

1008
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:51,520
Speaker 10: And here's the balance.

1009
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:55,080
Speaker 9: Oh, it's a new quarterback for the Browns who we

1010
00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:57,400
Speaker 9: got now boy, they're making moves.

1011
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:02,040
Speaker 7: That's what we do right there.

1012
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:05,319
Speaker 2: Justin writing in on the fan text line this morning

1013
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:08,279
Speaker 2: in two three, nine, ten seventy, he says, Lol, I

1014
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:10,120
Speaker 2: just have to say, we all hear that the Colts

1015
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:12,840
Speaker 2: have all these really good players. When does it actually

1016
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:15,480
Speaker 2: translate to the field and become a good team.

1017
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:16,160
Speaker 7: Lol?

1018
00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:18,360
Speaker 2: I just feel like we don't want to say truly

1019
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:20,160
Speaker 2: anything bad and we're just going to end up with

1020
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:23,920
Speaker 2: the same results next year or the next two. Well,

1021
00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:27,200
Speaker 2: certainly there are good players that the Colts have, and

1022
00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:29,720
Speaker 2: there are certain spots where there's more depth than others,

1023
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:32,280
Speaker 2: But it gets right back down to the two positions

1024
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:34,680
Speaker 2: that make a big difference in the NFL. James Boyd

1025
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:38,000
Speaker 2: quarterback has been an issue, whether it was injury or otherwise,

1026
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:40,640
Speaker 2: last year and leading up to Daniel Jones, it was

1027
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:43,959
Speaker 2: a revolving Dora guys since Andrew Luck and no pass

1028
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:46,799
Speaker 2: rush from the defensive end area. That's really where the

1029
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:50,680
Speaker 2: problems have been. But Kevin, you highlighted what I think

1030
00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:54,440
Speaker 2: Shane Stikeen called what could be an elite secondary yesterday.

1031
00:48:56,239 --> 00:48:58,800
Speaker 2: Always get a lot of credit for the offensive line,

1032
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:02,880
Speaker 2: and Taylor obviously gets a lot of love. We like

1033
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:05,319
Speaker 2: what's happened with Michael Pittman Junior and Alec Pierce. But

1034
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:08,320
Speaker 2: to his point, when does that translate into gettingto the postseason.

1035
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:13,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's obviously been a question now of a five

1036
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:15,719
Speaker 4: year playoff drought and you know, eleven, I mean, we

1037
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:16,480
Speaker 4: can go over.

1038
00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:20,000
Speaker 3: It endlessly, and you know, it does sound like the

1039
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:22,600
Speaker 3: tone of the off season as we start to turn

1040
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:24,920
Speaker 3: the page to that is that if it's a front

1041
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:29,600
Speaker 3: and again injecting some speed specifically into that group. You know, James,

1042
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:32,239
Speaker 3: I thought you pointed out well and ballor definitely agreed of, Like,

1043
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:34,280
Speaker 3: you know, it's not like you can just get younger everywhere,

1044
00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:36,080
Speaker 3: especially when don't have a first round pick.

1045
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:38,759
Speaker 6: You know, Yeah, that was driving me crazy thinking about that.

1046
00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:40,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, they don't pick till forty seven. And

1047
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:43,000
Speaker 3: you know one thing that Ballard mentioned and you know

1048
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:46,600
Speaker 3: he oftentimes jokes about trading back, you know, he jokes

1049
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:50,319
Speaker 3: about it. He was rather committed to it yesterday where

1050
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:53,840
Speaker 3: he was there's a good chance we will trade back.

1051
00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:57,880
Speaker 3: It's something we haven't mentioned yet. But I can't recall

1052
00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:02,120
Speaker 3: in his now ten comm where he's been maybe that

1053
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:05,680
Speaker 3: committal that's coming like, yeah, we'll probably trade back.

1054
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:06,440
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1055
00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:08,400
Speaker 8: I thought he was thinking of us being in that

1056
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:10,719
Speaker 8: media room over at the complex when we're tired of

1057
00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:13,880
Speaker 8: each other on day three and wanting to make us

1058
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:15,640
Speaker 8: sit there just a little bit longer and type up

1059
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:17,040
Speaker 8: a few things a little bit longer.

1060
00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:20,760
Speaker 6: But I'll look at it like this, Kevin.

1061
00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:24,320
Speaker 8: The trading back gives you more darts at the board

1062
00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:28,879
Speaker 8: to perhaps, you know, get more talent, obviously, But part

1063
00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:31,960
Speaker 8: of me is like, man, if you were as close

1064
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:34,480
Speaker 8: as you all say you were, Like, if all of

1065
00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:36,520
Speaker 8: you are kind of evaluating this team based off the

1066
00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:40,600
Speaker 8: first ten games, then is it crazy for me to

1067
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:43,759
Speaker 8: suggest that maybe you can look at moving on from

1068
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:47,279
Speaker 8: some future draft capital to you already have. But I mean,

1069
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:51,120
Speaker 8: like you would you pair a I don't know, a

1070
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:55,360
Speaker 8: day three day two pick for next year or whatever

1071
00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:59,319
Speaker 8: to move up in this year's draft, Like, in my opinion, like,

1072
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:01,640
Speaker 8: what are they actually trying to target and go after

1073
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:04,560
Speaker 8: this year? Because if you tell us, okay, well we

1074
00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:07,360
Speaker 8: were eight and un two, we were pretty good, that's fine.

1075
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:10,720
Speaker 6: But you finished eight to nine. So are you the team?

1076
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:13,560
Speaker 8: That's what Ballard said, and we'll press them on to

1077
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:16,000
Speaker 8: here on the show for sure, the were you the

1078
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:19,200
Speaker 8: top four team that you said you were that first half?

1079
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:21,799
Speaker 8: And how close are you to being that now that

1080
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:23,719
Speaker 8: you try to bring everybody back or least bring in

1081
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:25,479
Speaker 8: bring back some of the big pieces of Ally Pierson,

1082
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:29,560
Speaker 8: Daniel Jones, or is it a bigger runway to rebuild

1083
00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:32,680
Speaker 8: this team, because in my opinion, we cannot be going

1084
00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:35,279
Speaker 8: into next year and in the fall and I'm hearing

1085
00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:38,799
Speaker 8: you say, well, we're we're building, or we're retooling, or

1086
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:40,880
Speaker 8: we'll we're gonna see what we are. Like, man, you

1087
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:43,560
Speaker 8: gotta be saying we need to be in contention. I mean,

1088
00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:45,160
Speaker 8: it's ten years of this and in five years of

1089
00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:48,880
Speaker 8: not any playoffs, So I know what that's no GM

1090
00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:52,000
Speaker 8: and no coach Jeff is going to commit to saying that.

1091
00:51:52,120 --> 00:51:56,040
Speaker 8: But gosh, darn it, man, what else are you playing

1092
00:51:56,080 --> 00:51:56,720
Speaker 8: for at this point?

1093
00:51:57,719 --> 00:51:59,520
Speaker 2: Well, you look at the Division two. We talk about

1094
00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:02,400
Speaker 2: this over and over. Clearly Jacksonville took a step forward

1095
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:05,400
Speaker 2: last last year, and maybe Trevor Lawrence is the franchise

1096
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:06,200
Speaker 2: quarterback they've been.

1097
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:07,040
Speaker 7: Looking for forever.

1098
00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:10,080
Speaker 2: Liam Cone did a nice job of getting them a

1099
00:52:10,120 --> 00:52:15,560
Speaker 2: big step forward. The Texans who they think is their quarterback.

1100
00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:17,680
Speaker 2: They have a terrific defense, I think, a pretty good

1101
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:20,880
Speaker 2: head coach, and you know the Titans, who knows what

1102
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:22,359
Speaker 2: they are doing and how long it's going to take

1103
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:23,800
Speaker 2: them to kind of get back into the mix.

1104
00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:27,000
Speaker 7: And at the first you know, in the first nine.

1105
00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:28,840
Speaker 2: To ten games of the season last year, we thought, Okay,

1106
00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:31,600
Speaker 2: the Colts are here, they're competitive, and then injuries and

1107
00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:33,560
Speaker 2: it all just fell away and all those things. But

1108
00:52:33,600 --> 00:52:34,880
Speaker 2: at the end of the day, when you start this

1109
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:39,240
Speaker 2: twenty twenty six season, Jacksonville didn't go anywhere. Texas didn't

1110
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:42,040
Speaker 2: go anywhere. And we have so many questions about the Colts,

1111
00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:45,719
Speaker 2: Kevin and what are we saying a year from now, Well,

1112
00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:48,080
Speaker 2: we're back here next year for our second anniversary.

1113
00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:49,640
Speaker 7: What are we saying about the Colts? Then?

1114
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:52,960
Speaker 2: What's the best case scenario, Daniel Jones comes back healthy,

1115
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:55,799
Speaker 2: they get Alec Peerce to have a tremendous year, the

1116
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:58,839
Speaker 2: secondary stays healthy, and somehow in the draft they find

1117
00:52:58,880 --> 00:52:59,520
Speaker 2: an edge rusher.

1118
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:00,640
Speaker 7: Is that what's all gonna happen?

1119
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:04,400
Speaker 3: I just love the Philip Rivers rendition there from James

1120
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:06,640
Speaker 3: Boyd giving us a gosh darn it. I thought that

1121
00:53:06,680 --> 00:53:09,200
Speaker 3: was very well learned. He sounded like an SEC football coach.

1122
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:10,080
Speaker 3: He sounded like Philip.

1123
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:13,080
Speaker 6: I still got a little bit of that Sunday school

1124
00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:14,200
Speaker 6: let me from Grandma.

1125
00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:14,880
Speaker 4: Getting ready for it.

1126
00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:18,440
Speaker 3: You know, to go back, James, you brought up the

1127
00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:20,880
Speaker 3: draft and trade up or trade back or you know,

1128
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:22,040
Speaker 3: do you trade future pick?

1129
00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:23,239
Speaker 6: How aggressive are you?

1130
00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:24,360
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1131
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:26,600
Speaker 3: I think a lot of your aggression is going to

1132
00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:29,760
Speaker 3: have to come in the next few weeks. And again

1133
00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:32,480
Speaker 3: that is going to have to involve the likelihood of

1134
00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:35,479
Speaker 3: a restructuring some contracts or just flat out cutting guys,

1135
00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:38,799
Speaker 3: which would be very foreign to Chris Ballard and how

1136
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:41,600
Speaker 3: he is operated here through the first nine years of

1137
00:53:41,640 --> 00:53:45,479
Speaker 3: his you know, GM resume. But you know, trading up,

1138
00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:48,000
Speaker 3: I mean you just said you already don't have your

1139
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:51,560
Speaker 3: first round pick for next year. All right, Well, here,

1140
00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:54,480
Speaker 3: here's here, Carl Rose Gordon, are you gonna say, hey, yeah,

1141
00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:56,640
Speaker 3: go ahead, trade next year second round pick. While you're

1142
00:53:56,680 --> 00:53:59,280
Speaker 3: at it, you're gonna leave a new GM no first second?

1143
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:01,960
Speaker 3: Like and then I hear him say trade back yesterday,

1144
00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:05,120
Speaker 3: and I'm like, at some point there is enough of

1145
00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:07,920
Speaker 3: the trading back. There is a you have got to

1146
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:10,480
Speaker 3: sit there at whatever forty seven overall or where they're

1147
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:13,640
Speaker 3: at in the third round and say, all right, this

1148
00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:15,319
Speaker 3: is the quality of a dart as we're gonna get.

1149
00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:17,240
Speaker 3: We need to hit on it. We need to identify

1150
00:54:17,360 --> 00:54:19,680
Speaker 3: and we need to make that pick. The constant trading

1151
00:54:19,719 --> 00:54:23,040
Speaker 3: back has gotten you where to this point. And I

1152
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:25,480
Speaker 3: think there are times as a franchise where maybe your

1153
00:54:25,560 --> 00:54:29,200
Speaker 3: overall fifty three man roster needs more depth into the

1154
00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:32,919
Speaker 3: trading back element makes some sense, but I don't think

1155
00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:35,319
Speaker 3: that's the situation that you're in right now.

1156
00:54:35,360 --> 00:54:40,799
Speaker 8: So here's my question, And I've thought about this with

1157
00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:45,759
Speaker 8: Chris ballat going to the final years contract, there's no

1158
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:48,080
Speaker 8: guarantee he'll be brought back next year. We say that

1159
00:54:48,120 --> 00:54:51,359
Speaker 8: every year and then he's here. But for what it's worth,

1160
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:53,080
Speaker 8: he's going into the final years contract for the first

1161
00:54:53,080 --> 00:54:54,759
Speaker 8: time since he's been in Indianapolis.

1162
00:54:55,480 --> 00:54:56,239
Speaker 6: That's part of it.

1163
00:54:56,719 --> 00:54:59,600
Speaker 8: The other part is, Okay, if this is his last

1164
00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:03,239
Speaker 8: year year, how aggressive does he want to be with

1165
00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:05,560
Speaker 8: the team that he's already built as of right now

1166
00:55:06,040 --> 00:55:09,400
Speaker 8: versus since you already give two first round picks. In

1167
00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:12,200
Speaker 8: my mind, I'm thinking the hard reset for this franchise

1168
00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:14,839
Speaker 8: needs to happen in twenty twenty eight when you get

1169
00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:17,319
Speaker 8: all your picks back, because and I'm not saying I'm

1170
00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:18,759
Speaker 8: ad of care I'm gonna have another year in twenty

1171
00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:20,040
Speaker 8: twenty seven, but I think they're kind of like in

1172
00:55:20,080 --> 00:55:23,560
Speaker 8: this weird if it's a question in there, but like

1173
00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:27,840
Speaker 8: what is the balance of that he's final year, but

1174
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:32,120
Speaker 8: also as a franchise in twenty twenty eight, that to

1175
00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:36,439
Speaker 8: me is probably the best opportunity to restart, because twenty

1176
00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:40,400
Speaker 8: twenty seven is a weird year to me, Like you

1177
00:55:40,760 --> 00:55:42,840
Speaker 8: already have this team, you give the first round picks,

1178
00:55:43,120 --> 00:55:45,800
Speaker 8: you're kind of pigeonholed into twenty twenty eight anyway.

1179
00:55:46,239 --> 00:55:48,359
Speaker 6: But your GM's going into his last you know year.

1180
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:50,960
Speaker 8: So if you do a higher new GM next year,

1181
00:55:51,239 --> 00:55:53,000
Speaker 8: how long of a wrong way do you give them

1182
00:55:53,120 --> 00:55:55,239
Speaker 8: when they don't have anything until twenty twenty eight.

1183
00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:56,640
Speaker 6: Like that, to me, is is probably the question.

1184
00:55:56,719 --> 00:55:58,160
Speaker 7: There's another question for you, Kevin.

1185
00:55:58,040 --> 00:55:58,880
Speaker 4: They're in a weird spot.

1186
00:55:59,239 --> 00:56:02,880
Speaker 2: What if the year they don't win the division but

1187
00:56:02,920 --> 00:56:05,359
Speaker 2: they do make a wild card game and they losing

1188
00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:07,520
Speaker 2: the wild card? Is that enough for Carli or say

1189
00:56:07,560 --> 00:56:11,080
Speaker 2: Gordon to say, hey, we've made strides, We're moving forward.

1190
00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:13,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I hate to cop out it up

1191
00:56:13,160 --> 00:56:16,520
Speaker 3: to obviously see how it plays out, you know what exactly?

1192
00:56:16,560 --> 00:56:18,239
Speaker 3: You know, how do you get into the postseason? How

1193
00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:22,960
Speaker 3: does Daniel Jones play, so on and so forth? You know,

1194
00:56:23,040 --> 00:56:24,600
Speaker 3: I think I made my stance pretty clear a few

1195
00:56:24,600 --> 00:56:28,600
Speaker 3: months ago. To me, I don't think two months should

1196
00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:33,800
Speaker 3: override eight years, but it did. So now fast forward

1197
00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:37,480
Speaker 3: to next year. You know, if you go whatever ten

1198
00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:41,040
Speaker 3: and seven and make the wildcard. To your point, now

1199
00:56:41,239 --> 00:56:44,520
Speaker 3: you're weighing, you know, one year based off the rest

1200
00:56:44,520 --> 00:56:47,839
Speaker 3: of the resume. To me, like if Mike Woodson would

1201
00:56:47,880 --> 00:56:50,960
Speaker 3: have randomly made the tournament late in his IU ten year,

1202
00:56:51,120 --> 00:56:53,000
Speaker 3: would that have all of a sudden mean he gets

1203
00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:55,040
Speaker 3: the grace of three or four more years at it?

1204
00:56:55,560 --> 00:56:57,520
Speaker 3: Like to me, I don't I think when you're a

1205
00:56:57,560 --> 00:57:02,399
Speaker 3: decade into a sport position like Chris Ballard is. There's

1206
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:03,799
Speaker 3: a whole lot of the resume you have to go

1207
00:57:03,840 --> 00:57:05,520
Speaker 3: off of, where one year, to me doesn't all of

1208
00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:10,960
Speaker 3: a sudden evaporate everything else. So in particularly, I think

1209
00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:14,640
Speaker 3: it's awkward James, because I think league wide the Ballard

1210
00:57:14,719 --> 00:57:17,600
Speaker 3: stike In dynamic is viewed very differently. I think change

1211
00:57:17,600 --> 00:57:19,800
Speaker 3: staging is viewed in a much higher light league wide

1212
00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:23,680
Speaker 3: than Chris Ballard would be in terms of finding another job.

1213
00:57:24,600 --> 00:57:27,080
Speaker 3: So I think that's another element that is awkward of

1214
00:57:27,240 --> 00:57:30,560
Speaker 3: the Stikeens year ten and balladsier excuse me, seconds year

1215
00:57:30,560 --> 00:57:33,160
Speaker 3: four and Ballards year ten to it all.

1216
00:57:33,320 --> 00:57:40,400
Speaker 6: So yeah, it's just how close are you? That's the

1217
00:57:40,520 --> 00:57:44,360
Speaker 6: question that Chris Ballard saying.

1218
00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:46,280
Speaker 8: Stikeen they never really want to answer, And I get it,

1219
00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:49,920
Speaker 8: you don't want to pin yourself down in February, But again,

1220
00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:54,800
Speaker 8: you have won nothing over the last five years. How

1221
00:57:54,840 --> 00:57:57,800
Speaker 8: long is too long to build a runway? And again

1222
00:57:58,680 --> 00:58:00,680
Speaker 8: those ten games are great. I don't want to dismiss

1223
00:58:00,720 --> 00:58:05,120
Speaker 8: that they had an historic offense, but you are banking

1224
00:58:05,160 --> 00:58:07,880
Speaker 8: on a quarterback who doesn't stay healthy, to stay healthy

1225
00:58:08,080 --> 00:58:11,840
Speaker 8: coming off of Achilles, You're banking on a team that

1226
00:58:11,840 --> 00:58:15,280
Speaker 8: doesn't have a defensive end outside of too la to

1227
00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:19,080
Speaker 8: that's worth mentioning here on the show, Like, those are

1228
00:58:19,120 --> 00:58:20,520
Speaker 8: the types of things where I'm like, how do you

1229
00:58:20,560 --> 00:58:22,800
Speaker 8: figure it out? When again you say you were close?

1230
00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:26,880
Speaker 8: How do you push forward? Because you know how I'm

1231
00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:29,040
Speaker 8: forgiving the NFL is you can think you're close one

1232
00:58:29,120 --> 00:58:30,560
Speaker 8: year and you can fall off a cliff the next.

1233
00:58:31,120 --> 00:58:34,480
Speaker 8: So I just wonder again how much of that the

1234
00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:36,680
Speaker 8: eight and to start over the first ten games was

1235
00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:40,360
Speaker 8: a miarage or was it not? Because Chris Ballad said

1236
00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:43,720
Speaker 8: it wasn't. Shane Styken said that gives him hope. Carl

1237
00:58:43,840 --> 00:58:47,920
Speaker 8: Er said, Gordon gave Ballot probably was a chance to

1238
00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:51,880
Speaker 8: remain here based off ten games. You need seventeen to

1239
00:58:51,880 --> 00:58:55,240
Speaker 8: get to the playoffs, and obviously, in my mind, probably

1240
00:58:55,240 --> 00:58:57,760
Speaker 8: more than that. Like you said, you were a contender,

1241
00:58:57,880 --> 00:58:59,840
Speaker 8: you were top fourteen when you were eight.

1242
00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:02,120
Speaker 6: Where are you now?

1243
00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:04,000
Speaker 3: Well, the whole close debate, this is where I do

1244
00:59:04,040 --> 00:59:07,480
Speaker 3: struggle with it. I look around here and I see, Oh,

1245
00:59:07,560 --> 00:59:10,000
Speaker 3: there's a table the Kansas City Chiefs. There's a table,

1246
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:14,560
Speaker 3: the Baltimore Ravens. Oh, there's a table the Cincinnati Bengals. Mahomes,

1247
00:59:15,080 --> 00:59:19,080
Speaker 3: Burrow Jackson, all three of them watch the playoffs this year,

1248
00:59:20,280 --> 00:59:22,600
Speaker 3: you think those franchises are saying that we're still close.

1249
00:59:23,880 --> 00:59:25,480
Speaker 3: You know, I mean Peyton Manning win six and ten

1250
00:59:25,520 --> 00:59:27,479
Speaker 3: and his fourth year, like, it's not that far fetch

1251
00:59:27,560 --> 00:59:30,040
Speaker 3: right to have a bump in the road a year

1252
00:59:30,080 --> 00:59:32,960
Speaker 3: and obviously some injuries in particular played into several of

1253
00:59:33,000 --> 00:59:37,320
Speaker 3: those quarterback situations there. So you know, that's where the

1254
00:59:37,480 --> 00:59:40,040
Speaker 3: NFL is always the great league to where what since

1255
00:59:40,160 --> 00:59:43,040
Speaker 3: nineteen ninety when the NFL playoffs expanded, we've had four

1256
00:59:43,080 --> 00:59:45,560
Speaker 3: new playoff teams every single year. Look at what New

1257
00:59:45,560 --> 00:59:47,760
Speaker 3: England was last year or two years ago, and look

1258
00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:50,960
Speaker 3: at where they are. You know, Seattle doesn't fall into

1259
00:59:50,960 --> 00:59:53,000
Speaker 3: that same category, but it's not like they were a

1260
00:59:53,280 --> 00:59:57,960
Speaker 3: double digit win team necessarily in recent years. So yeah,

1261
00:59:58,240 --> 01:00:00,320
Speaker 3: it's the league that provides great opportunity, but at the

1262
01:00:00,360 --> 01:00:01,920
Speaker 3: same time, it's a league that really tests you and

1263
01:00:01,960 --> 01:00:05,520
Speaker 3: proving yourself every single year. And so that's where you

1264
01:00:05,560 --> 01:00:09,720
Speaker 3: know how close it's like, Okay, maybe you are, maybe

1265
01:00:09,720 --> 01:00:13,040
Speaker 3: you aren't, But we also have a nine year resumeting

1266
01:00:13,080 --> 01:00:17,000
Speaker 3: off of it, or nine year resume is zero division titles,

1267
01:00:17,440 --> 01:00:19,439
Speaker 3: one playoff win two playoff.

1268
01:00:19,080 --> 01:00:22,840
Speaker 2: Appearances piggyback off what you were saying too. You talk

1269
01:00:22,880 --> 01:00:25,360
Speaker 2: about the quarterbacks that didn't even make the playoffs.

1270
01:00:25,480 --> 01:00:27,760
Speaker 7: You got Josh Allen with another disappointment.

1271
01:00:28,160 --> 01:00:31,640
Speaker 2: So earlier we're talking about trying to get past Liam

1272
01:00:31,720 --> 01:00:35,800
Speaker 2: Cohen and Trevor Lawrence, trying to get past Houston and CJ.

1273
01:00:35,920 --> 01:00:39,280
Speaker 7: Stroud. You gotta figure three of those.

1274
01:00:39,120 --> 01:00:41,080
Speaker 2: Four, if not all four, are going to be right

1275
01:00:41,120 --> 01:00:43,400
Speaker 2: back in the mix again on top of your division

1276
01:00:43,400 --> 01:00:43,920
Speaker 2: of the AFC.

1277
01:00:44,120 --> 01:00:47,480
Speaker 3: Right, I think I've said this now for the last

1278
01:00:47,480 --> 01:00:49,520
Speaker 3: couple of years, but I've never seen the AFC with

1279
01:00:49,560 --> 01:00:51,320
Speaker 3: this much depth in it.

1280
01:00:51,760 --> 01:00:55,160
Speaker 4: You know, when you look at the conference.

1281
01:00:54,760 --> 01:00:57,880
Speaker 3: As a whole, and Drake May, New England certainly now

1282
01:00:58,040 --> 01:01:00,240
Speaker 3: feel very much in that category. But when you look

1283
01:01:00,240 --> 01:01:02,360
Speaker 3: at you know, certainly the West, whether you look at

1284
01:01:02,440 --> 01:01:04,560
Speaker 3: Kansas City, look at Denver, look at the Chargers, I mean,

1285
01:01:04,600 --> 01:01:07,440
Speaker 3: that is a legit three team division. You look at

1286
01:01:07,480 --> 01:01:09,600
Speaker 3: the North, I know they all kind of cannibalize each

1287
01:01:09,640 --> 01:01:13,120
Speaker 3: other seemingly on a year in year on basis, but Cincinnati,

1288
01:01:13,200 --> 01:01:16,480
Speaker 3: Pittsburgh and Baltimore are three teams. The AFC South. It's

1289
01:01:16,480 --> 01:01:19,160
Speaker 3: probably the deepest We've talked about this division in quite

1290
01:01:19,160 --> 01:01:21,920
Speaker 3: some time with where Houston and Jacksonville and again, Indy's

1291
01:01:21,920 --> 01:01:25,440
Speaker 3: not that, you know, they're not some basement team like Tennessee.

1292
01:01:25,800 --> 01:01:28,760
Speaker 3: AFC East maybe lacks a little bit more from a

1293
01:01:28,800 --> 01:01:32,320
Speaker 3: depth standpoint, but I just think as a whole, this

1294
01:01:32,480 --> 01:01:37,120
Speaker 3: conference has some legit, you know, ten eleven team depth,

1295
01:01:37,640 --> 01:01:40,560
Speaker 3: which is not something that I think we've said, you know,

1296
01:01:40,720 --> 01:01:46,120
Speaker 3: when you have the Rivers Roethlisberger, Manning, Brady era, I

1297
01:01:46,120 --> 01:01:47,720
Speaker 3: think there was a little bit of a fall off

1298
01:01:48,160 --> 01:01:53,520
Speaker 3: to it. Now you might lack the truly truly elite teams,

1299
01:01:54,000 --> 01:01:55,880
Speaker 3: but I think there's a lot of the second tier

1300
01:01:56,000 --> 01:01:59,840
Speaker 3: depth to it that makes it challenging to, you know,

1301
01:02:00,080 --> 01:02:01,880
Speaker 3: try and be a playoff team.

1302
01:02:02,200 --> 01:02:05,680
Speaker 2: Man, a lot of work to do because it's not

1303
01:02:05,840 --> 01:02:09,880
Speaker 2: just about the AFC South when you just line them

1304
01:02:09,920 --> 01:02:10,720
Speaker 2: all up like that.

1305
01:02:11,040 --> 01:02:13,800
Speaker 4: Well, and this is the other thing, like the Colts

1306
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Speaker 4: had a great first.

1307
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Speaker 3: Two months of the season, James, You've just pointed out

1308
01:02:17,720 --> 01:02:19,920
Speaker 3: a lot here over the last five ten minutes of

1309
01:02:20,720 --> 01:02:23,840
Speaker 3: you know, who are you really? Are you the top

1310
01:02:23,880 --> 01:02:26,200
Speaker 3: four team or are you whatever? The team that missed

1311
01:02:26,200 --> 01:02:28,840
Speaker 3: the playoffs when the season was over and we went

1312
01:02:28,840 --> 01:02:32,720
Speaker 3: through seventeen games in eighteen weeks. The Colts missed winning

1313
01:02:32,760 --> 01:02:37,400
Speaker 3: their division by five games. Five games. You know how

1314
01:02:37,480 --> 01:02:40,400
Speaker 3: many five games is in a seventeen game schedule. They

1315
01:02:40,440 --> 01:02:43,920
Speaker 3: missed making the playoffs by three games. That's a lot

1316
01:02:44,080 --> 01:02:46,600
Speaker 3: when you consider seventeen. This is not twenty twenty.

1317
01:02:46,320 --> 01:02:47,760
Speaker 7: Three league built on parody.

1318
01:02:47,800 --> 01:02:49,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is not twenty twenty three where you're a

1319
01:02:49,680 --> 01:02:53,360
Speaker 3: Gardner Minshew Tyler Goodson completion away from maybe making the playoffs.

1320
01:02:53,840 --> 01:02:56,400
Speaker 3: That that was not one of those seasons as great

1321
01:02:56,400 --> 01:03:01,480
Speaker 3: as the first two months were you fell off Niagra falls.

1322
01:03:02,200 --> 01:03:06,960
Speaker 3: And that is where I just I have no idea

1323
01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:08,600
Speaker 3: how ballad is going to answer a question of how

1324
01:03:08,600 --> 01:03:10,760
Speaker 3: close you are? But to me it's like, well, you

1325
01:03:10,760 --> 01:03:12,920
Speaker 3: missed the playoff, you missed the division by five games,

1326
01:03:12,960 --> 01:03:16,600
Speaker 3: you missed the wild card by three uh my eyes

1327
01:03:16,720 --> 01:03:18,959
Speaker 3: based off that would say you're not very close.

1328
01:03:19,040 --> 01:03:20,920
Speaker 8: Yeah, And perhaps a better question is just who are you?

1329
01:03:22,240 --> 01:03:25,160
Speaker 8: And I get that's open ended in kind of vague

1330
01:03:25,200 --> 01:03:27,840
Speaker 8: in nature, but it's on purpose, like who exactly are you?

1331
01:03:28,280 --> 01:03:32,400
Speaker 6: Because because we can tell you?

1332
01:03:32,480 --> 01:03:35,680
Speaker 3: Is that another high school basketball song they use when

1333
01:03:36,160 --> 01:03:37,120
Speaker 3: seeing the opposing team?

1334
01:03:37,160 --> 01:03:37,280
Speaker 7: Oh?

1335
01:03:37,320 --> 01:03:40,360
Speaker 6: Absolutely, Oh I told you, I think that have to

1336
01:03:40,560 --> 01:03:41,080
Speaker 6: Now I want.

1337
01:03:40,920 --> 01:03:45,000
Speaker 4: To break them out, bring them out. You know, Well, we'll.

1338
01:03:44,920 --> 01:03:46,720
Speaker 8: Shove the ballot conversation because he's gonna be here on

1339
01:03:46,760 --> 01:03:47,880
Speaker 8: the show in about thirty minutes.

1340
01:03:48,600 --> 01:03:48,720
Speaker 7: Now.

1341
01:03:48,720 --> 01:03:49,400
Speaker 6: I'm on a tangent.

1342
01:03:49,560 --> 01:03:53,480
Speaker 8: When I go to these basketball games and I see

1343
01:03:53,520 --> 01:03:57,080
Speaker 8: like the kids run out, I can already tell whether

1344
01:03:57,120 --> 01:04:00,800
Speaker 8: they have an updated audio system or not because the

1345
01:04:00,880 --> 01:04:03,240
Speaker 8: updated ones. Oh, I'm hearing all these songs that just

1346
01:04:03,280 --> 01:04:04,760
Speaker 8: came out because it's probably Bluetooth.

1347
01:04:05,520 --> 01:04:06,480
Speaker 6: The ones ain't updated.

1348
01:04:06,640 --> 01:04:10,560
Speaker 8: I guarantee the disc that some kid burned fifteen years ago.

1349
01:04:10,520 --> 01:04:13,160
Speaker 6: Is still in there on LimeWire, you know, yeah, exactly.

1350
01:04:13,240 --> 01:04:14,840
Speaker 6: And and they just hit play and they play the

1351
01:04:14,960 --> 01:04:15,920
Speaker 6: same ten songs.

1352
01:04:16,280 --> 01:04:17,560
Speaker 8: I mean, I can go back to my high school

1353
01:04:17,560 --> 01:04:19,320
Speaker 8: probably right now, and they're playing the same songs that

1354
01:04:19,360 --> 01:04:19,840
Speaker 8: I burned.

1355
01:04:19,960 --> 01:04:25,360
Speaker 2: Why when, no matter what, you're the new king of media.

1356
01:04:25,440 --> 01:04:28,080
Speaker 6: I went to high school. I went to public high school.

1357
01:04:28,280 --> 01:04:28,920
Speaker 6: They'll be fine.

1358
01:04:29,040 --> 01:04:32,080
Speaker 3: Are you a fan of when the cheerleaders unveil the

1359
01:04:32,160 --> 01:04:35,320
Speaker 3: starter's last names on the big signs during Yeah, I.

1360
01:04:35,280 --> 01:04:38,240
Speaker 8: Think that's I'm also a big fan of. And shout

1361
01:04:38,240 --> 01:04:41,720
Speaker 8: out to the Gary schools. The Gary school cheerleaders. One

1362
01:04:41,720 --> 01:04:43,479
Speaker 8: they got the best rhythm, and then two they got

1363
01:04:43,680 --> 01:04:46,400
Speaker 8: the pettiest chance. I mean you get the whole the rebound,

1364
01:04:46,480 --> 01:04:49,600
Speaker 8: that basketball and all that they had, Like I bet

1365
01:04:50,480 --> 01:04:52,520
Speaker 8: boo poom boom boom, I bet you shoot a break

1366
01:04:52,640 --> 01:04:53,600
Speaker 8: boot stop.

1367
01:04:53,640 --> 01:04:56,000
Speaker 6: I'm like, let's go like I like that better, Like, yeah,

1368
01:04:56,000 --> 01:04:56,840
Speaker 6: you shoot that brick.

1369
01:04:57,200 --> 01:04:57,440
Speaker 7: I think.

1370
01:04:57,440 --> 01:04:59,040
Speaker 2: The thing that's crazy to me when you go to

1371
01:04:59,080 --> 01:05:00,960
Speaker 2: some of these games the last several years is how

1372
01:05:00,960 --> 01:05:03,640
Speaker 2: many of these arenas now have there?

1373
01:05:03,640 --> 01:05:06,680
Speaker 3: You go see big digital video fords now love to

1374
01:05:06,720 --> 01:05:10,360
Speaker 3: be some all the above right above it.

1375
01:05:10,760 --> 01:05:14,200
Speaker 9: Yeah, they're coming out big Fridays ago.

1376
01:05:14,880 --> 01:05:17,960
Speaker 4: Mark is always on it now I will I will add.

1377
01:05:17,800 --> 01:05:19,840
Speaker 8: Again this song will be played in every high school

1378
01:05:19,840 --> 01:05:21,440
Speaker 8: gym in Indiana probably in America.

1379
01:05:21,480 --> 01:05:23,360
Speaker 3: The one thing I do get nervous when the cheerleaders

1380
01:05:23,360 --> 01:05:26,280
Speaker 3: do the you know last name of the starters? Did

1381
01:05:26,480 --> 01:05:28,800
Speaker 3: head coach and form cheerleading coach if there is a

1382
01:05:28,840 --> 01:05:30,360
Speaker 3: starting lineup change?

1383
01:05:30,960 --> 01:05:31,480
Speaker 4: Was that? Was? That?

1384
01:05:31,640 --> 01:05:32,840
Speaker 6: Was that part of the agendas too?

1385
01:05:32,960 --> 01:05:34,640
Speaker 7: Do they go maybe they have to go check? At

1386
01:05:34,640 --> 01:05:35,560
Speaker 7: the beginning of the game.

1387
01:05:35,640 --> 01:05:38,520
Speaker 3: Shane Steichen's calling Kelly Tilly for the Colts to make

1388
01:05:38,560 --> 01:05:40,800
Speaker 3: sure that. You know, Rick Carlisle's got the head of

1389
01:05:40,800 --> 01:05:43,560
Speaker 3: the Pacemates alerted, you know, just in case they're that,

1390
01:05:43,680 --> 01:05:45,400
Speaker 3: they make sure they have that change.

1391
01:05:45,920 --> 01:05:48,280
Speaker 2: It's wonderful stuff. Chris Ballard is on the way about

1392
01:05:48,280 --> 01:05:50,920
Speaker 2: a half hour from now. In the meantime, let's check

1393
01:05:50,960 --> 01:05:51,400
Speaker 2: it down.

1394
01:05:53,080 --> 01:05:56,160
Speaker 1: A boiling shut down brought to you by the Barbousol

1395
01:05:56,240 --> 01:06:01,760
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1396
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1397
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1398
01:06:08,960 --> 01:06:11,840
Speaker 2: Slash you indeed, So, James, what is your ultimate high

1399
01:06:11,880 --> 01:06:14,200
Speaker 2: school basketball jam?

1400
01:06:14,280 --> 01:06:17,320
Speaker 6: Ultimate high school basketball jam? That's a good question. Let

1401
01:06:17,320 --> 01:06:22,240
Speaker 6: me get back Eddy. We ready, that's you on that one.

1402
01:06:22,560 --> 01:06:25,080
Speaker 6: I haven't thought about it. What's the one for eminem

1403
01:06:25,160 --> 01:06:27,080
Speaker 6: like palms are sweaty? Whatever?

1404
01:06:27,600 --> 01:06:27,920
Speaker 7: Yes?

1405
01:06:28,000 --> 01:06:28,440
Speaker 4: Yourself?

1406
01:06:28,480 --> 01:06:30,800
Speaker 3: Well, I mean I think till I collapse it's probably

1407
01:06:30,800 --> 01:06:31,600
Speaker 3: more of the good.

1408
01:06:31,640 --> 01:06:32,800
Speaker 4: Can I get some till I collapse?

1409
01:06:32,840 --> 01:06:35,600
Speaker 3: Mark dykedon for therese Yes, that's more of the big

1410
01:06:35,640 --> 01:06:36,440
Speaker 3: time anthem.

1411
01:06:36,480 --> 01:06:38,600
Speaker 4: But obviously lose yourself. I mean there's no better song

1412
01:06:38,640 --> 01:06:39,600
Speaker 4: outfits all right.

1413
01:06:39,920 --> 01:06:41,720
Speaker 2: We are at the combine day too. In the twenty

1414
01:06:41,760 --> 01:06:45,760
Speaker 2: twenty sixth edition. Yesterday, Shane Stikeen Chris Ballard meeting with

1415
01:06:45,800 --> 01:06:48,120
Speaker 2: the media. We'll talk to Chris Ballard a little bit

1416
01:06:48,200 --> 01:06:51,200
Speaker 2: later on. If you miss Shane Steiken's conversation with JMV

1417
01:06:51,400 --> 01:06:53,320
Speaker 2: last night, go to one to seven five the fan

1418
01:06:53,440 --> 01:06:55,720
Speaker 2: dot com. You can re listen to that anytime you'd

1419
01:06:55,800 --> 01:06:59,360
Speaker 2: like it your convenience. Big questions for for Chris Ballard,

1420
01:06:59,720 --> 01:07:02,400
Speaker 2: what are you gonna do? Uh with Michael Pittman? What

1421
01:07:02,400 --> 01:07:03,840
Speaker 2: are you gonna do with Mooney Ward? Is he gonna

1422
01:07:03,840 --> 01:07:06,720
Speaker 2: play again? Anthony Richardson's a big question? Do you tag

1423
01:07:07,160 --> 01:07:11,360
Speaker 2: Alec Pierce? What's the deal with resigning Daniel Jones? Is

1424
01:07:11,360 --> 01:07:13,680
Speaker 2: it foregone conclusion that he wants to be here and

1425
01:07:13,720 --> 01:07:16,520
Speaker 2: you want him here? Is it that simple with Daniel Jones?

1426
01:07:16,600 --> 01:07:19,280
Speaker 2: Or like James was saying earlier, everybody wants a little

1427
01:07:19,320 --> 01:07:20,200
Speaker 2: bit more money, Kevin?

1428
01:07:20,320 --> 01:07:21,080
Speaker 7: What do you do there?

1429
01:07:21,440 --> 01:07:21,640
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1430
01:07:21,640 --> 01:07:25,040
Speaker 3: Again the big newsign from yesterday. It sounds like all indications,

1431
01:07:25,040 --> 01:07:27,560
Speaker 3: according to Chris Ballard are the Chaverius Ward will play

1432
01:07:27,560 --> 01:07:30,800
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty six and on paper a Sauce Gardner,

1433
01:07:30,880 --> 01:07:33,800
Speaker 3: Javerius Ward, Kenny Moore than second. We'll see about Justin

1434
01:07:33,800 --> 01:07:35,880
Speaker 3: Whally coming off the torn acl that's a pretty good

1435
01:07:35,880 --> 01:07:39,160
Speaker 3: cornerback group. Now there's context with it, as we've touched on.

1436
01:07:39,240 --> 01:07:42,000
Speaker 3: But I thought that was the biggest news item from yesterday.

1437
01:07:41,720 --> 01:07:43,720
Speaker 2: All right, So we'll go through that a little bit

1438
01:07:43,800 --> 01:07:47,080
Speaker 2: later on today as the combine continues. NBA Pacers on

1439
01:07:47,120 --> 01:07:49,360
Speaker 2: the floor, losing to the Sixers last night one thirty five,

1440
01:07:49,440 --> 01:07:53,400
Speaker 2: one fourteen, despite the mighty Micah Potter twenty three points

1441
01:07:53,400 --> 01:07:55,920
Speaker 2: on eleven of thirteen shooting. I just want to make

1442
01:07:55,960 --> 01:07:57,440
Speaker 2: sure he gets his due today because I don't know

1443
01:07:57,440 --> 01:07:59,040
Speaker 2: how often we're gonna be able to say Michaeh Poter.

1444
01:07:59,160 --> 01:08:00,480
Speaker 7: Potter scored twenty three.

1445
01:08:00,760 --> 01:08:04,400
Speaker 8: Pacers lose their fourth straight worst record in the Eastern Conference.

1446
01:08:04,680 --> 01:08:06,080
Speaker 7: Trying to be positive here, James, you.

1447
01:08:05,960 --> 01:08:08,800
Speaker 8: Gotta give us a spin before the show's over. Jeff, Well, actually,

1448
01:08:09,160 --> 01:08:11,120
Speaker 8: you have your laptop. I gotta go take it don

1449
01:08:11,200 --> 01:08:12,800
Speaker 8: dot Com and go a little spin in here.

1450
01:08:12,880 --> 01:08:16,639
Speaker 2: I will figure that one out today. Six of eleven

1451
01:08:16,640 --> 01:08:19,160
Speaker 2: from three point range to begin the game for the Pacers.

1452
01:08:19,320 --> 01:08:22,400
Speaker 2: One of their next twenty one Kevin couldn't hit the

1453
01:08:22,400 --> 01:08:24,479
Speaker 2: broadside of a barn in the second half.

1454
01:08:24,360 --> 01:08:27,400
Speaker 3: No dwellingbid did play for the sixers for those that care,

1455
01:08:27,479 --> 01:08:30,320
Speaker 3: so hornets tomorrow night. Right now, the Pacers still in

1456
01:08:30,320 --> 01:08:32,840
Speaker 3: that top three. Again, if you're in the top three

1457
01:08:32,920 --> 01:08:36,960
Speaker 3: year odds fifty two chance to maintain a.

1458
01:08:36,960 --> 01:08:39,480
Speaker 8: Top four pick, well, I just lost it in my simulator.

1459
01:08:39,760 --> 01:08:40,960
Speaker 8: Pagers got the fifth pick.

1460
01:08:41,360 --> 01:08:45,920
Speaker 7: Okay, right to La Goes. The highest one we've had

1461
01:08:45,960 --> 01:08:47,400
Speaker 7: in the last week was second James.

1462
01:08:47,479 --> 01:08:51,719
Speaker 2: We did have an instance where they picked second James.

1463
01:08:51,840 --> 01:08:54,439
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, Mark Adam Silver's putting some water in those

1464
01:08:54,479 --> 01:08:55,639
Speaker 3: pacers ping pong balls.

1465
01:08:55,640 --> 01:08:57,560
Speaker 4: I've been Rick Carlile comments yesterday.

1466
01:08:57,720 --> 01:09:01,320
Speaker 2: Rick Carlisle speaking with the Fan morning yesterday talking about

1467
01:09:01,320 --> 01:09:04,840
Speaker 2: his dissatisfaction with the way the NBA not only handed

1468
01:09:04,840 --> 01:09:07,600
Speaker 2: out of one hundred thousand dollars fine to the Pacers

1469
01:09:07,640 --> 01:09:11,760
Speaker 2: for essentially tanking, but then the NBA felt the need

1470
01:09:11,800 --> 01:09:14,160
Speaker 2: after it circulated. You put it out on social media,

1471
01:09:14,479 --> 01:09:17,880
Speaker 2: it circulated. The NBA was contacted by James Boyd and

1472
01:09:17,880 --> 01:09:22,679
Speaker 2: the Athletic for response, and they said basically what James more.

1473
01:09:22,600 --> 01:09:27,080
Speaker 8: Or lessed what Rick said was inaccurate, and that they

1474
01:09:27,320 --> 01:09:30,800
Speaker 8: follow all of their protocols to a t. So, of

1475
01:09:30,840 --> 01:09:32,439
Speaker 8: course the NBA is not going to say something wrong

1476
01:09:32,439 --> 01:09:33,599
Speaker 8: with their own investigation, right.

1477
01:09:34,000 --> 01:09:36,400
Speaker 2: Well, the craziest thing, according to Rick, was that the

1478
01:09:36,520 --> 01:09:38,520
Speaker 2: NBA was like, could you have medicated?

1479
01:09:39,320 --> 01:09:39,519
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1480
01:09:39,560 --> 01:09:41,479
Speaker 3: I think maybe in the side before we get to ballad.

1481
01:09:41,479 --> 01:09:42,840
Speaker 3: We can kind of double back on this for our

1482
01:09:42,840 --> 01:09:44,640
Speaker 3: audience that hasn't joined us. Yeah, I know we hit

1483
01:09:44,680 --> 01:09:46,320
Speaker 3: on it a lot the seven thirty segment, but just

1484
01:09:46,360 --> 01:09:49,160
Speaker 3: kind of go over the statement an additional time.

1485
01:09:49,960 --> 01:09:52,679
Speaker 4: And exactly where if any of there are holes, which

1486
01:09:53,800 --> 01:09:54,120
Speaker 4: there are.

1487
01:09:55,240 --> 01:09:58,719
Speaker 2: College basketball last night, how would you characterize Northwestern seventy

1488
01:09:58,760 --> 01:10:00,920
Speaker 2: two sixty eight went over Indie James.

1489
01:10:01,240 --> 01:10:04,360
Speaker 8: I will say Indiana play with their food there at

1490
01:10:04,360 --> 01:10:06,040
Speaker 8: the end, but they got screwed at the end as well.

1491
01:10:06,320 --> 01:10:08,799
Speaker 8: Can I miss that call? Whoever missed that call? Seriously,

1492
01:10:09,200 --> 01:10:11,960
Speaker 8: that official needs to be recommanded in some way. That's

1493
01:10:12,040 --> 01:10:12,919
Speaker 8: that's that's egregious.

1494
01:10:13,040 --> 01:10:16,679
Speaker 2: Looked like a clear foul against the non shooting hand.

1495
01:10:17,200 --> 01:10:19,519
Speaker 2: Looked like a hand on the wrist of Tucker Devreeze's

1496
01:10:19,520 --> 01:10:21,040
Speaker 2: He went up to try and tie that way.

1497
01:10:21,120 --> 01:10:22,120
Speaker 7: Hack jamf like that.

1498
01:10:22,240 --> 01:10:24,680
Speaker 6: He would be yelling at me, we might make you

1499
01:10:24,720 --> 01:10:26,880
Speaker 6: walk home now, he makee me walk home? Now? I

1500
01:10:26,880 --> 01:10:29,000
Speaker 6: got my own car work hard for that, Jeff.

1501
01:10:29,080 --> 01:10:29,479
Speaker 4: It's funny.

1502
01:10:29,479 --> 01:10:31,400
Speaker 3: When I you got the strong whistle at the end

1503
01:10:31,400 --> 01:10:33,200
Speaker 3: of the Wisconsin game, I thought to myself, when is

1504
01:10:33,240 --> 01:10:35,519
Speaker 3: this going to come back the other way? And last

1505
01:10:35,600 --> 01:10:39,439
Speaker 3: night I think was probably that moment. There just an

1506
01:10:39,560 --> 01:10:42,639
Speaker 3: awful sequence there late with Lamar Wilkerson throwing an alley

1507
01:10:42,680 --> 01:10:45,240
Speaker 3: if the Sam Alexis turns into a Nick Martinelli wide

1508
01:10:45,240 --> 01:10:48,120
Speaker 3: open three, and here we are annual tradition, we're debating

1509
01:10:48,280 --> 01:10:51,560
Speaker 3: you on the bubble, not an annual tradition, but some

1510
01:10:51,680 --> 01:10:53,800
Speaker 3: MYU fans are probably like, whenes the spring football start?

1511
01:10:54,000 --> 01:10:54,320
Speaker 7: All right?

1512
01:10:54,360 --> 01:10:56,680
Speaker 2: Also, last night Duke a winner over Notre Dame one

1513
01:10:56,800 --> 01:11:00,400
Speaker 2: hundred to fifty six. Micah Shrewsbury, the head coach leaving

1514
01:11:00,400 --> 01:11:03,120
Speaker 2: with a torn achilles tendon in the middle of that game.

1515
01:11:03,160 --> 01:11:04,240
Speaker 7: What was going on there?

1516
01:11:05,120 --> 01:11:05,360
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1517
01:11:05,360 --> 01:11:07,400
Speaker 3: I probably I wanted to tear my achilles having to

1518
01:11:07,439 --> 01:11:10,639
Speaker 3: watch him, So I don't blame him. Horrific, just absolute horrific.

1519
01:11:10,840 --> 01:11:13,160
Speaker 3: Cameron Boo's are really good at basketball and Notre Dame

1520
01:11:13,200 --> 01:11:16,160
Speaker 3: is struggling mightily. Eight scholarship players left. One of their

1521
01:11:16,200 --> 01:11:18,400
Speaker 3: players announced he's going to try to pursue the NFL.

1522
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Speaker 3: That's where we're at the NFL.

1523
01:11:20,520 --> 01:11:23,400
Speaker 10: That is, he might be rolling up to your guys

1524
01:11:23,400 --> 01:11:24,519
Speaker 10: his neck of the woods pretty soon.

1525
01:11:24,760 --> 01:11:26,600
Speaker 3: Literally, I've been looking for him, Carson tw he's got

1526
01:11:26,640 --> 01:11:28,280
Speaker 3: great hair. I've been looking for him around here.

1527
01:11:29,000 --> 01:11:31,120
Speaker 8: That again, I'm gonna try to get on Love Island.

1528
01:11:31,160 --> 01:11:33,080
Speaker 8: So if everyone's dreaming, let's do it.

1529
01:11:33,520 --> 01:11:37,360
Speaker 2: Butler Villanova later on tonight six thirty airtime, seven o'clock

1530
01:11:37,439 --> 01:11:41,599
Speaker 2: start as the Bulldogs try to continue a two game

1531
01:11:41,640 --> 01:11:42,120
Speaker 2: winning streak.

1532
01:11:42,160 --> 01:11:44,360
Speaker 7: See if they could, that'd be a huge upset to

1533
01:11:44,360 --> 01:11:44,920
Speaker 7: get a win.

1534
01:11:44,800 --> 01:11:47,200
Speaker 4: At Villanova nine and a half point Underdov.

1535
01:11:49,000 --> 01:11:51,519
Speaker 2: Well, they got the right name. Go Bulldogs. Anything else

1536
01:11:51,560 --> 01:11:52,880
Speaker 2: you guys want to throw him? Before we had to

1537
01:11:52,880 --> 01:11:54,479
Speaker 2: break and get ready to talk to Chris Ballard in

1538
01:11:54,520 --> 01:11:55,000
Speaker 2: a minute.

1539
01:11:54,880 --> 01:11:57,160
Speaker 3: Shout out to ball State Armani Ziegler with the game

1540
01:11:57,200 --> 01:11:58,200
Speaker 3: winner and overtime.

1541
01:11:59,280 --> 01:12:01,679
Speaker 4: They're rare MAC win they've had recently.

1542
01:12:01,760 --> 01:12:06,720
Speaker 3: So they beat U mass and Miami Ohio remains undefeated,

1543
01:12:06,840 --> 01:12:09,080
Speaker 3: so they are approaching a perfect regular season.

1544
01:12:09,880 --> 01:12:11,200
Speaker 4: Three games left.

1545
01:12:11,360 --> 01:12:13,439
Speaker 8: And I do want to mention that Johnny Furfree had

1546
01:12:13,479 --> 01:12:17,000
Speaker 8: his right ACL surgery yesterday. Got lost in all of

1547
01:12:17,040 --> 01:12:20,559
Speaker 8: the craziness of the NBA and their Rick Carlisle a

1548
01:12:20,560 --> 01:12:23,280
Speaker 8: little back and forth, but yeah, he's on the on

1549
01:12:23,320 --> 01:12:24,720
Speaker 8: the road to recovery.

1550
01:12:24,640 --> 01:12:25,000
Speaker 7: All right.

1551
01:12:25,080 --> 01:12:27,519
Speaker 2: Coming up in a moment, Chris Ballard about fifteen minutes away.

1552
01:12:27,600 --> 01:12:30,519
Speaker 2: We'll talk a little bit more about the Pacers and

1553
01:12:30,560 --> 01:12:33,840
Speaker 2: how things went for Rick Carlisle and the NBA yesterday.

1554
01:12:34,080 --> 01:12:36,280
Speaker 2: As Kevin alluded to, that's all next to ninety three,

1555
01:12:36,320 --> 01:12:37,360
Speaker 2: five and one seventy five to th