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Speaker 1: So a lot of Democrats are very upset. In fact,

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Speaker 1: now on the WIBC hotline, what are the guys covering

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Speaker 1: this story for Politico? Adam Wren joins us now. Adam Wren, Hello.

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Speaker 2: Good to be with you. All right.

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Speaker 1: So, as we said the headline in Politico, the story

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Speaker 1: you were a part of complete betrayal twenty twenty six,

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Speaker 1: Democrats slam shut down deal. Tell us the response on

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Speaker 1: the ground in Washington, DC.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So essentially, what we're seeing here, rob is an

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Speaker 2: year long. Earlier in the year, number of frontline Democrats,

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Speaker 2: to hold on to his job all year long, you

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Speaker 2: mc morrow in Michigan who's running for the Democratic Senate

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Speaker 2: Texas where you have James Talerico. All of these people

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Speaker 2: of these people are frustrated with them. They feel like,

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Speaker 2: what did we What did we shut down the government

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Speaker 2: for if we're not getting anything? I mean, essentially what

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Speaker 2: they're what they're getting is a.

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Speaker 3: Handshake deal that there will be a vote on an

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Speaker 3: ACA Obamacare extension for a year and forty days and

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Speaker 2: I mean, polling does show that Democrats have won the

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Speaker 1: Throughout Adam Wren Adam Wran is our guest of political

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Speaker 1: He's part of a new piece out Complete Betrayal twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty six. Democrats slam the shutdown deal. Did they just

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Speaker 1: want Schumer to keep it shut down forever?

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Speaker 2: In their mind?

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Speaker 1: What should he have done?

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Speaker 2: They believe that, based on the results of last Tuesday's

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Speaker 2: President Donald Trump has acknowledged that the shutdown hurt Republicans

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Speaker 2: for is for Donald Trump to kind of break ranks

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Speaker 2: Speaker Mike Johnson look bad. Majority leaders soon look bad,

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Speaker 2: But instead, what Trump said was we need to fill

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Speaker 2: We needed a nuke to filibuster to make sure that

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Speaker 2: some ways Democrats miscalculated there. They were hoping on the

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Speaker 1: Adam rand as our guest from Politico, So, did Shuber

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Speaker 1: Is he that powerful?

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Speaker 2: No? And that's the problem is he wasn't able to

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Speaker 2: I mean, there are upwards of ten Senate Democrats, moderate

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Speaker 2: you know, either either enabled and empowered those roughly ten

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Speaker 1: Here, So who do they want, like, who is the

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Speaker 1: we're just in charge, it would have been so much better.

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, there are you know a number of

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Speaker 1: What okay, So that was my next question. I mean,

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Speaker 2: It's unclear. I mean, you know, he does have significant

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Speaker 2: it's hard, it's hard to say, but she would give

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Speaker 2: Chuck Schumer a significant challenge. She's built to survive the

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Speaker 2: he wouldn't really control his legacy. He would be the

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Speaker 1: Before I let you go like, do the Democrats feel

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Speaker 1: they're gonna get a vote on Obamacerman. I know they'll

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was funny, you know, he said I'm not

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Speaker 2: You wonder if that was a Freuderan flip. But he

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Speaker 2: don't know. He doesn't really owe them anything. I mean,

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Speaker 2: the Democrats are in minority everywhere in government. And look,

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Speaker 2: they made that argument when they went in the shutdown.

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Speaker 2: They said Donald Trump controls all lovers of power here

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Speaker 2: and ultimately the public bought that. But really, beyond public polling,

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Speaker 2: Democrats are coming out with with nothing here. I mean,

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Speaker 2: maybe john Sun has told him he'll give them some

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Speaker 2: magic jelly beans at the end of this, but that's

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Speaker 2: really that's really all that they've gotten for this more

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Speaker 1: All right, people would want more of you in their life.

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Speaker 1: Wi Adam, how can they find you?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they can find me on exit Adam Wren that't

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Speaker 2: wre and like the bird, and all of my content

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Speaker 2: is there.

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Speaker 1: Adam ran Politico and Portinville.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, My friend's good to be with you. Yeah.

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