WEBVTT - Mac & Bone Show - Jones Angell Interview 

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, y'all, it is time, baby. It is time

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<v Speaker 2>for a little Jones Angel conversation. Man, what a night

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<v Speaker 2>coming up on Saturday night. Tar Heels hosting the number

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<v Speaker 2>one team in the country in the Miami Hurricanes. We

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<v Speaker 2>got to preview that game. We also got to talk

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<v Speaker 2>about that day. I still have not seen proof that

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<v Speaker 2>makes me believe that that Syracuse receiver was in the

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<v Speaker 2>end zone scoring in order to beat the Tar Heels.

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<v Speaker 2>But we digress. Let's talk about it all with Jones Angel,

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<v Speaker 2>voice of the Heels. He'll be calling the game 730

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<v Speaker 2>against Miami on Saturday. Radio pregame at 630 on the network,

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<v Speaker 2>which includes our sister station, WBT. So, Jones, what's up, man?

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<v Speaker 2>Good to have you back. How you doing?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, great to be with you guys, Mac. Great to

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<v Speaker 1>be talking Tar Heels in a busy weekend upcoming. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>frustrating one last week for sure. I think that that's

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<v Speaker 1>another example of the fact that this Tar Heel team

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<v Speaker 1>just isn't quite a finished product, not anywhere close to

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<v Speaker 1>a finished product, but that it still has some growth

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<v Speaker 1>to do. It's the third time this year that the

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<v Speaker 1>Heels have had a double-digit lead in that they've let

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<v Speaker 1>slip away and let the other team take the lead

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<v Speaker 1>at the end of the game and lost the Clemson game.

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<v Speaker 1>They were able to come back and still win that

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<v Speaker 1>Duke game and then give this one up right at

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<v Speaker 1>the end. And so they've got to figure out a

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<v Speaker 1>way that when you're up 17 to three, like you

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<v Speaker 1>were against Clemson or 17, nothing against Duke or, 20-10

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<v Speaker 1>in the fourth quarter like you were against Syracuse, that

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<v Speaker 1>you don't let it come down to a controversial two-point play,

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<v Speaker 1>and you don't let it come down to the referee's

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<v Speaker 1>decision in that moment. And so it's another step in

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<v Speaker 1>the process and certainly a frustrating one for Carolina to

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<v Speaker 1>have to learn in real time, but one that they're

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<v Speaker 1>going to have to figure out.

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<v Speaker 3>Jones, you're... your view and observation on the Syracuse two-point

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<v Speaker 3>conversion play and really the lack of cameras and how

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<v Speaker 3>all that went down.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and it comes down to an opportunity, I think,

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<v Speaker 1>for the ACC to get better, right? There was no

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<v Speaker 1>way that call could get overturned. And I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>if he was in or not in. It was so close.

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<v Speaker 1>But that's where you need the technology that we do

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<v Speaker 1>have available here in the year 2026, right? Um, you,

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<v Speaker 1>you need to have that camera on the goal line.

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<v Speaker 1>You need one on the end line. You need one

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<v Speaker 1>on the sideline. It should just be a, it should

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<v Speaker 1>be a requirement in my opinion. And, you know, Bill Belichick,

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<v Speaker 1>I thought handled it in a pretty professional way on

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<v Speaker 1>Monday at his press conference where he didn't complain about

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<v Speaker 1>the call. He didn't say, Oh, he wasn't in, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>he just said, this is something that should happen and

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<v Speaker 1>that it would make the game better. It would make

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<v Speaker 1>the official job a little bit easier because look, there,

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<v Speaker 1>there was no definitive look on that play that said

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<v Speaker 1>he was in or wasn't in. And so we shouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>be to the point where there are fan videos from

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<v Speaker 1>their cell phones that give us a cleaner look than

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<v Speaker 1>what the actual officials in the game were working with

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<v Speaker 1>to try to decide the, the outcome of that play

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<v Speaker 1>and ultimately the outcome of the game. And so we,

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<v Speaker 1>um it's unfortunate that it came to that point but

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<v Speaker 1>you hope that it's an opportunity that uh moving forward

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<v Speaker 1>that the league and and that the sport can take

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<v Speaker 1>as a positive to make it better as we get

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<v Speaker 1>into the future.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah as much as that annoyed me jones like come

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<v Speaker 2>on we you know you how do you not it's

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<v Speaker 2>2026 you can't get cameras there on the on the

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<v Speaker 2>goal line like that annoyed me but and you kind

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<v Speaker 2>of alluded to this the heels had had a double

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<v Speaker 2>digit lead yet again And it does need to be said,

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<v Speaker 2>there's things that were frustrating that the Tar Heels did

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<v Speaker 2>themselves too. It's not all about officials or cameras. Like

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<v Speaker 2>the run pass differential. I know Billy Edwards was pretty solid, right?

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<v Speaker 2>And ship had a hundred yards game, but like to

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<v Speaker 2>pass it 44 times to only run at 25. When

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<v Speaker 2>I thought McGill and June were churning and then the defense,

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<v Speaker 2>we can go to the run defense and the past

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<v Speaker 2>defense and gripe about it. So like there were things

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<v Speaker 2>with the heels too, that I didn't like as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, no. This is a game Carolina should have won

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<v Speaker 1>in regulation. This should have never gotten to a point

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<v Speaker 1>where you're concerned about the cameras on the goal line.

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<v Speaker 1>Carolina had a 10-point lead in the fourth quarter.

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<v Speaker 3>You're at home.

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<v Speaker 1>You've got to win that game. For the Tar Heels,

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<v Speaker 1>a couple different things. Carolina defensively right now is trying

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<v Speaker 1>to keep everything in front of it, right? Like it's been,

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<v Speaker 1>and for the most part, I think the Tar Heels

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<v Speaker 1>have done a really good job with that. Syracuse hit

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<v Speaker 1>the one big play this past week, which was an

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<v Speaker 1>enormous play. I'm not minimizing that. But I think for

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<v Speaker 1>the most part, Carolina this season has done a really

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<v Speaker 1>good job at not allowing those big explosive plays. But

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<v Speaker 1>right now, when you are focusing on keeping everything in

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<v Speaker 1>front of you and not over your head, that does

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<v Speaker 1>allow for those four-yard, five-yard, six-yard type of runs that

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<v Speaker 1>I think Syracuse really lived off of in this game.

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<v Speaker 1>And you started to see that blueprint some for the

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<v Speaker 1>opposition with Notre Dame a few weeks ago, where it

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<v Speaker 1>was never this high-flying, all-over-the-place offense that was just raining

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<v Speaker 1>down points. But it was this consistent move forward with

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<v Speaker 1>the offense. And Carolina just struggled to get off the field.

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<v Speaker 1>And the Heels did a much better job on third

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<v Speaker 1>down in this game against Syracuse. But the Orange ended

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<v Speaker 1>up going for it seven times on fourth down. I

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<v Speaker 1>think they got four of them, if I remember correctly.

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<v Speaker 1>And even the third down number was really good at

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<v Speaker 1>one point. I think it was two of 11 at

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<v Speaker 1>one point for Carolina's defense. But then Syracuse converted six

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<v Speaker 1>of its last eight as the game got later and

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<v Speaker 1>the Tar Heels wore down a little bit. So if

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<v Speaker 1>they are going to play that style of defense, which

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<v Speaker 1>is clear, that's what Bill Belichick at this moment feels

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<v Speaker 1>like gives them the best chance to win. You have

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<v Speaker 1>to take advantage of the, hey, it's third and 21 now.

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<v Speaker 1>You've got to get off the field. Not let Syracuse

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<v Speaker 1>gain 20 yards on third down and then go for

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<v Speaker 1>it on fourth and short and keep a drive going.

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<v Speaker 1>You have to be able to pick those moments where

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<v Speaker 1>you definitively make the stop from your defensive side. And

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<v Speaker 1>so I think that's an area Carolina has to get

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<v Speaker 1>better quickly as far as the run pass. Yeah, that

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<v Speaker 1>was a strange thought. That's one of those where I

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<v Speaker 1>think a lot of the pre snap looks and all

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<v Speaker 1>those things. that you get a little deeper dictates a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit of what you do. But that's telling you

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<v Speaker 1>that the opposition says, hey, we want Billy Edwards to

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<v Speaker 1>go beat us instead of your run game. And so

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<v Speaker 1>you've got to figure out a way to be able

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<v Speaker 1>to run the ball, even if the look that you

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<v Speaker 1>have isn't exactly what you want.

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<v Speaker 3>Jones Angel with us, as he is every Thursday, Tar

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<v Speaker 3>Heel Radio Network. Jones, number one Miami comes in on Saturday.

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<v Speaker 3>Heels have had great success against Miami in the last decade,

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<v Speaker 3>although a different Miami team now. If the Heels can

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<v Speaker 3>hang in this game, what's the formula for them to

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<v Speaker 3>do that on Saturday?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, this is a tough one. Miami is really, really good.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is an odd series. And Carolina has a

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<v Speaker 1>pretty sizable lead in the all-time series. They've won five

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<v Speaker 1>in a row in this series against some good teams,

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<v Speaker 1>but not a team like this. Miami is, I think,

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<v Speaker 1>pretty clearly to this point. had the best season of

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<v Speaker 1>anybody in the country. Now, there's a long way to go,

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<v Speaker 1>but you look at some of their numbers, guys. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>number one rush defense in the nation, number one scoring

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<v Speaker 1>offense in the nation, number two total offense in the nation.

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<v Speaker 1>They lead the country in red zone defense. They lead

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<v Speaker 1>the nation in time of possession. Darian Mensah, 22 touchdowns,

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<v Speaker 1>one interception, and 81% completion percent. I mean, that's insane.

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<v Speaker 1>That's video games, man. Malachi Toney is an All-America at

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<v Speaker 1>the wide receiver spot. It's just an excellent team. And

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<v Speaker 1>so for Carolina, you, A, have to play a really

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<v Speaker 1>clean game. You can't hurt yourself in any way. You

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<v Speaker 1>have to be able to get a couple of turnovers,

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<v Speaker 1>which Miami's only turned it over three times all season.

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<v Speaker 1>But you have to get one of those, even if

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<v Speaker 1>it's not a technical turnover, a punt block. You've got

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<v Speaker 1>to get something like that, I think, that gives you

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<v Speaker 1>kind of a free possession or a shot of momentum.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you're the Tar Heels, you just have to,

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<v Speaker 1>in my opinion, can you limit the possessions that Miami's

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<v Speaker 1>terrific offense has? But to do that, you've got to

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<v Speaker 1>hold the ball and be able to run the ball

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<v Speaker 1>against the number one run defense in the country. And

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<v Speaker 1>so it is not an impossible task. It never is.

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<v Speaker 1>But it is a tall task. Carolina's going to have

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<v Speaker 1>to play its best game. But this is also, guys,

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<v Speaker 1>and I know I've gone long here, This is a

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<v Speaker 1>game where you're glad you have a Bill Belichick, right?

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<v Speaker 1>Like I can just imagine coach Belichick loving this challenge.

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<v Speaker 1>of trying to figure out a way to get a

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<v Speaker 1>team that's solid. Carolina's solid, but Miami's excellent right now.

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<v Speaker 1>And so how do you get your team that's a capable,

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<v Speaker 1>solid team to be able to compete with this team

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<v Speaker 1>that has championship aspirations right now?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he was talking some X's and O's during the press,

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<v Speaker 2>Sir Jones.

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<v Speaker 3>It was so interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>We were talking about how you can double Malachi Toney,

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<v Speaker 2>but he says this dude is so good, he beats

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<v Speaker 2>double teams constantly. So like you are taking a guy

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<v Speaker 2>away that can help elsewhere and it's not even working.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's, I agree with you. Like I will, he

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<v Speaker 2>will like the challenge schematically. Um, but man, that's my him.

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<v Speaker 2>team is legit i did want to ask you real

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<v Speaker 2>quick jones before we let you go on the hoop

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<v Speaker 2>side and i am i'm actually happy to report i

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<v Speaker 2>thought a bunch of charlotte 49er fans would be on

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<v Speaker 2>here saying hey jones why why were we so close

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<v Speaker 2>to you but they're being very respectful today but it

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<v Speaker 2>was it was interesting yesterday on the show jones Charlotte

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<v Speaker 2>fans were really encouraged and excited by the way they

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<v Speaker 2>pushed UNC. UNC fans, like Fitty over there, were upset

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<v Speaker 2>and stressed out about it despite the fact it was

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<v Speaker 2>a win. Did you feel like, man, I think Wes

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<v Speaker 2>Miller's got himself a team there that can do some stuff,

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<v Speaker 2>or did you watch that game and feel like, man,

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<v Speaker 2>the Tar Heels were bad? What did you think?

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<v Speaker 1>It was both as it normally is. I mean, first

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<v Speaker 1>of all, Wes Miller is an excellent coach and you

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<v Speaker 1>can win at Charlotte. And it's been a while since

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<v Speaker 1>somebody has, but you can win there. And Wes Miller's

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<v Speaker 1>a really good coach. He gets his guys to play

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<v Speaker 1>really hard. I had a chance to talk to him

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<v Speaker 1>for a while after the game, and he just talked

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<v Speaker 1>about how excited he was about this group and how

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<v Speaker 1>much he liked them and how hard he could coach

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<v Speaker 1>them and that They would take that coaching and try

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<v Speaker 1>to apply it. I think Wes is really excited about

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<v Speaker 1>what he has and thinks he can win there and

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<v Speaker 1>win there soon. The Tillery guard is a really good player.

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<v Speaker 1>and they're physical and just play tough. So I think

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<v Speaker 1>if you're looking at it from the Charlotte angle, a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of positives there. From the Tar Heel angle, a

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<v Speaker 1>couple different things. One, the heels were awful for the

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<v Speaker 1>first 14 minutes of that game. It looked like one

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<v Speaker 1>team was playing it like it was a regular season

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<v Speaker 1>game and one team was still playing like it was

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<v Speaker 1>an exhibition. And so then they did get much better

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<v Speaker 1>after that, but you had dug yourself a 15-point hole,

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<v Speaker 1>and I don't care who you're playing, it takes a

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<v Speaker 1>while to get out of a 15-point hole. But then

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<v Speaker 1>you get to the point where you're up seven in

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<v Speaker 1>the second half and you then let Charlotte back in

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<v Speaker 1>it again. And so all those things are areas of

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<v Speaker 1>growth for Carolina. The Tar Heels need their full roster.

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<v Speaker 1>Matt Abel didn't play in this game. They desperately need

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<v Speaker 1>Cam Fins to get eligible to provide them some size

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<v Speaker 1>and experience in the post. And this is the thing

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<v Speaker 1>that I've had to remind myself too, guys. None of

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<v Speaker 1>these games have counted yet. You feel like the season

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<v Speaker 1>is like several weeks old because you've seen all these

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<v Speaker 1>teams a fair amount, but none of these have counted yet.

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<v Speaker 1>And so it's still so early. If Carolina's playing like

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<v Speaker 1>this in late February, then they will have had a

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<v Speaker 1>difficult season. but you hope that they are able to

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<v Speaker 1>improve and get better as they go along this journey.

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<v Speaker 1>And the good news is they do have a really

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<v Speaker 1>good coach in Michael Malone. Now, Coach Malone has said

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<v Speaker 1>he's still, you know, kind of adjusting to the college

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<v Speaker 1>game and figuring all that out, and there are changes

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<v Speaker 1>and differences. We've seen it in football, and we've talked

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<v Speaker 1>about it from that angle. And so can Michael Malone

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<v Speaker 1>kind of assimilate faster than what has happened in football?

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<v Speaker 1>He'll need to for the Heels to have a season

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<v Speaker 1>like they want to have. They have some individual talent.

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<v Speaker 1>But can they get it to play together at the

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<v Speaker 1>college level? We'll find out. All right.

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<v Speaker 2>We appreciate it, Jones. Thanks, as always, man. Enjoy the

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<v Speaker 2>game on Saturday night.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks, guys. Talk to you soon.