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Speaker 1: They've got some sort of frezzy lights in here. Are

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Speaker 2: What's going on with these lighting?

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Speaker 3: Well?

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Speaker 4: I think the Morning Show was in need of lighting

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Speaker 2: That's a very bright light.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 4: James Boyd, he needs the lighting to some people can

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Speaker 4: see his beauty. That's right, the real diva, James Boyd.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Kevin, when I did the Morning Show with him,

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Speaker 4: You were Kevin?

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Speaker 2: Huh for you? Or Kevin? Kevin?

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Speaker 1: I'm dapper and gelled up and cologned up all the time.

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Speaker 1: But I came in it's a little bit warm, So Eddie,

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 1: You got to admit this shirt is seventy percent rooted

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Speaker 1: But I am kind of pulling for him, but it's

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Speaker 4: Well, didn't I buy that shirt for you?

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Speaker 1: So Sean Ash from WTCHR is going to join us

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Speaker 1: People can send me their answer on this. Would you

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Speaker 2: I think both are right. I'm not saying Don's wrong.

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Speaker 4: Eddie, Viva Las Vegas?

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Speaker 1: They got no clue of what it is that this

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Speaker 1: And you heard everybody Paul Feinbaum would be the king

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Speaker 2: And Indiana.

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Speaker 1: Every time that Indiana made a move, every time that

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Speaker 1: know what, did Indiana go out and buy a roster?

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Speaker 2: Maybe?

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Speaker 1: Maybe, But what Indiana did was Indiana was ahead of

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Speaker 2: And that's the difference. Paul Feinbaum.

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Speaker 1: And die hard Auburn fans, diehard Alabama fans, diehard Texas fans.

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Speaker 1: He brought with him players from James Madison that came

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Speaker 2: Follow our lead.

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Speaker 1: And the players that were in Bloomington that were already

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Speaker 1: just go out and mass buy. Clemson does that. Clemson

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Speaker 1: Bring him on as a Clemson fan. I can't tell

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Speaker 2: You knew it was a big time recruited Clemson.

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Speaker 1: He was a four star recruit, top one hundred player

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Speaker 1: about understanding. It's about more than just buying things. It's

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Speaker 1: about spending your money wisely to get the pieces. Yes,

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Speaker 1: you spend a lot on your quarterback in for Nanda Mendoza,

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Speaker 1: but you have complimentary pieces that work perfectly together, and

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Speaker 1: And the fact that Kurt Signetti and scouting every player

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Speaker 1: How does the guy interact on the sidelines. How does

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Speaker 2: It's another to be able to put your.

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Speaker 1: Helmet back on, be a professional, not sulk and perform

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Speaker 2: But Stars or Portal All Stars or whatever it might be.

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Speaker 1: We're going to go out and get players that buy

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Speaker 1: tell us a lot about that Indiana this year, there

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Speaker 1: is no coincidence in this. Indiana did not lose a

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Speaker 1: and the College Football Playoff didn't turn it over. Their

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Speaker 2: Happen a lot happened to Surat a couple times.

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Speaker 1: to not mass spending. And yes, Indiana is entering into

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Speaker 1: But the mentality has always been for the SEC and

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Speaker 2: What he didn't account for was the fact that there.

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Speaker 1: Was a system that you were bringing players into and

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Speaker 1: Paul Finebaum this. He has doubted Kurt Signetti from day one.

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Speaker 1: He has damned Indiana from day one. He has downplayed

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Speaker 1: Bomb yesterday he sat down. I don't know if he

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Speaker 1: I don't know if he went up to Leeds, Alabama

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Speaker 7: He debate on whether Indiana had the best season in

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Speaker 7: And what made it even more amazing is how people

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Speaker 7: misunderstood what Kirk Signetty was doing in Bloomington. Let me

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Speaker 7: it was the best team, and yes, the Big Ten

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Speaker 2: I have no idea if he wrote that himself.

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Speaker 1: I don't know that I necessarily care what I find interesting,

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Speaker 1: But what it comes down to is this, we are

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Speaker 1: right now witnessing before our very eyes the transfer into

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Speaker 2: And that's what Indiana did. They were smart about it.

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Speaker 1: They have a lot of new faces, They're playing well.

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Speaker 1: and seven overall, Butler probably still finds themselves on the

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Speaker 1: outside looking in. But are they playing themselves into Is this,

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Speaker 1: in fact, maybe they've found something out or is this

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Speaker 1: Nick Gardner is on the Butler Basketball Radio Network joins

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Speaker 1: us on the program, Nick, how are you?

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Speaker 2: I'm doing great? Jake?

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Speaker 3: How you doing today?

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Speaker 4: You know what?

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Speaker 1: For some odd reasons since you asked, Nick, I uh,

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Speaker 1: I've got some sort of a I feel like I

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Speaker 1: don't feel it, but I sound like I think I

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Speaker 1: have a head cold. I don't, though, but but I

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Speaker 1: do think if you really want to know the truth,

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Speaker 1: how I'm doing?

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Speaker 2: I feel today audibly sexy?

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Speaker 1: So is that is that an uncomfortable answer for you?

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Speaker 4: No?

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Speaker 3: Not at all?

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Speaker 2: Okay at all, Jake, I get I know the feeling.

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Speaker 1: We're just a couple of audibly sexy guys. Right, Let's

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Speaker 1: just get ourselves a couple of bull horns and start

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Speaker 1: walking around the circle, shall we. Hey, let's talk about this, Nick,

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Speaker 1: And you heard what I just mentioned. You know, Butler

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Speaker 1: is a team that I think that going into it,

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Speaker 1: there was a lot of question mark And that always

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Speaker 1: happens when you have a new roster and you know

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Speaker 1: you played the game.

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Speaker 2: You played a Butler.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes it takes teams longer to figure themselves out than others.

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Speaker 1: Have we seen a corner kind of being turned here?

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Speaker 1: Or is this maybe just like benefit of a couple

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Speaker 1: of matchups that fell their way.

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Speaker 3: I think probably it's a little bit of both, Jake.

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Speaker 5: I think first of all, you got to take into account,

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Speaker 5: you know, Jalen Jackson going down really changed things. That

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Speaker 5: was going to be your lead guard. With him going down,

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Speaker 5: it just changed things. And so I think after you

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Speaker 5: kind of found a rhythm earlier in the year he

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Speaker 5: goes down, it took some time here to get back

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Speaker 5: up to speed a little bit.

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Speaker 3: Look, part of that is just new roles, new rotations.

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Speaker 5: You're obviously inserting a freshman and Isavier Robinson in for Jalen,

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Speaker 5: So you knew there were going to be some bumps

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Speaker 5: in the road. I think part of it too is

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Speaker 5: you look at the schedule, Jay, the start of the

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Speaker 5: Big East late was brutal.

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Speaker 3: When you start, you know, you.

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Speaker 5: Got to go to Yukon early, you're at Creating early,

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Speaker 5: then you have Villanova Saint John's and so I think

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Speaker 5: it was more, you know, to me, it's more getting

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Speaker 5: back to what was successful early with a little different

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Speaker 5: lineup and different looks of those lineups. But there was

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Speaker 5: just you know, a tough schedule and you didn't play

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Speaker 5: up the far. But now it feels like you're getting

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Speaker 5: back up there, and certainly the schedule has opened up

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Speaker 5: a bit, but you still got to take care of business,

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Speaker 5: and adults have done an excellent job of that over

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Speaker 5: the last couple games.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I think it's an impressive bounce back because as you

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Speaker 1: talked about, you know, you lose four straight, right, and

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Speaker 1: you know, Nick, I mean you played the game like

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Speaker 1: a lot of times, you can start to the same

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Speaker 1: holds true with doing radio. You know, you do a

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Speaker 1: couple of good shows in a row and you think yourself, like, man,

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Speaker 1: we're really rolling along here, and then you do a

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Speaker 1: couple that just feel staff and you can get caught

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Speaker 1: up in that. You could start to believe in that.

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Speaker 1: Have you been Is there anything that had jumped out

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Speaker 1: at you in winning these back to back games after

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Speaker 1: the four game streak that you felt like was kind

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Speaker 1: of a mental turning point for them.

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: Absolutely, I think you know, I mentioned, you know, losing

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Speaker 5: at Creighton, losing to Villanova and Saint John's. Certainly there

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Speaker 5: were some second halves that you wanted to have back.

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Speaker 5: But man, there's a lot of teams in the Big

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Speaker 5: East that are going to walk out of those games,

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Speaker 5: scratching their heads, and so I think to me the

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Speaker 5: difference was that game at Xavier last week.

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Speaker 3: That was really out of character.

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Speaker 5: You would say, like talking to coaches, to coach Mada,

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Speaker 5: you know, that was one where they felt like they

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Speaker 5: didn't perform up to par. And that was the first

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Speaker 5: one where you thought.

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Speaker 3: Man, you know that that just wasn't up to the standard.

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Speaker 5: And so after you know, coming off of that effort,

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Speaker 5: and then you're staring at going to Seaton Hall, one

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Speaker 5: of the toughest teams in the league, a rugged group.

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Speaker 5: You had to answer the bell last Saturday.

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Speaker 3: To me, the growth was shown in.

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Speaker 5: Being able to get back that competitive edge, that urgency,

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Speaker 5: that toughness that you needed to win games and win

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Speaker 5: possessions in the biggies, and to do it against the

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Speaker 5: Seatonhall Fires, who are one of the toughest, more rugged,

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Speaker 5: physical teams in the league. You had to answer the bell.

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Speaker 5: The Dogs did, and hopefully they understand. I think when

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Speaker 5: the defensive presser is up, when they're engaged and energetic

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Speaker 5: and flying around defensively, that shows me that they're engaged

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Speaker 5: in the game. And that's what you've seen over the

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Speaker 5: last couple of games and when they've made their searches,

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Speaker 5: that defense has created some offense and then it just

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Speaker 5: amplifies throughout the squad.

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Speaker 1: You know, they've you mentioned having to kind of not

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Speaker 1: reidentify themselves, but maybe reprioritize offensively just where they go.

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Speaker 1: What has jumped out at you, Nick about the play

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Speaker 1: of Finley Bizjacket, just what he's been able to do

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Speaker 1: to maybe kind of emerge as the guy that is

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Speaker 1: there one of their if not the guy that you're

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Speaker 1: outing on night and night out.

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Speaker 5: I think, first and foremost he has been his game

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Speaker 5: has just mature. And by that I mean there were times. Look,

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Speaker 5: he's a scorer, he is wired to score, and he

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Speaker 5: has to be that way for this group, but you

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Speaker 5: still got to make sure you're taking those things within

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Speaker 5: the offense, you're being aggressive at the right times.

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Speaker 3: And I just think he's been very.

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Speaker 5: Mature about when to attack, you know, when to really

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Speaker 5: maybe force some things because he has to. He does

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Speaker 5: an excellent job of getting to the line. I've just

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Speaker 5: been really impressed with his decision making. And you know,

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Speaker 5: coach Mada and he had both talked about how the

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Speaker 5: game has kind of slowed down for him. And the

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Speaker 5: other thing he's doing, he's making plays for teammates a

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Speaker 5: lot of you know, with with more attention, you're going

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Speaker 5: to draw more attention from defenses and you can find

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Speaker 5: some teammates. I think he and he and Stink Robinson

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Speaker 5: in the back court have really found their niches a

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Speaker 5: little bit. I think Xavier has done a great job

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Speaker 5: over the last two contests as well. Feels like the

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Speaker 5: game has slowed down for him as well. He's scored more,

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Speaker 5: he's earned more time on the court, and he's just

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Speaker 5: looked more in control of the offense. And I think

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Speaker 5: you can see the proofs in the footing with the Resultancy.

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Speaker 1: Nick Gardner is my guest Java House peeling poor guest

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Speaker 1: line where you are hearing him? He of course color

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Speaker 1: analyst for the Butler Basketball Radio Network. Nick, in your opinion,

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Speaker 1: and maybe this is different from team to team, but

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Speaker 1: which do you think is more difficult if you were

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Speaker 1: a coach? Okay, so Nick Gardner is the coach of

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Speaker 1: We'll say that we're just gonna put you in charge

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Speaker 1: of Butler. Right, You're the Butler coach, which is more

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Speaker 1: difficult when your team is rolling along and the wins

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Speaker 1: are rolling in and everything's clicking on all cylinders. Is

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Speaker 1: it more difficult to keep a team like that on

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Speaker 1: focus of the task at hand and not get too

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Speaker 1: high about what's going on and not take for granted

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Speaker 1: that you still got to stay on task. Or is

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Speaker 1: it more difficult when you do go through a skid

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Speaker 1: to convince your group that so they if they stay

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Speaker 1: on task, that the wins eventually will come. Which one

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Speaker 1: is the harder job to keep a team from?

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Speaker 2: You know? In terms of the thought process.

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Speaker 5: I'm of the opinion I think human nature and a

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Speaker 5: lot of times it's harder with success to stay with

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Speaker 5: the details and the things that led to those success.

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Speaker 5: To me, like, like, that's a lot of the challenges

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Speaker 5: these coaches have, Jake, is you know, if we can

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Speaker 5: dissect how you're guarding an on ball screen and what

607
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:30,400
Speaker 5: defenses you're going to run and what base you want

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Speaker 5: to play, But the real challenge is getting those guys

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Speaker 5: to be at full focus and having the right mindset,

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Speaker 5: you know, thirty two nights a year, night in, night out,

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Speaker 5: no matter what's going on in their lives at school,

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Speaker 5: whatever it may be. And I think when you're having

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Speaker 5: success and people are are patting me on the back

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Speaker 5: and doing all types of things. Human nature is to

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Speaker 5: relax and relent and maybe cut some corners here and

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Speaker 5: there because you've had that success. Look when you have

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Speaker 5: a group of competitors that want to win and they've

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Speaker 5: they've gone through a three game losing streak or a

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Speaker 5: four game losing streak, those guys are going to be

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Speaker 5: dialed in.

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Speaker 3: They want to turn that thing around.

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Speaker 5: That human nature for them, it's to really dive in

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Speaker 5: and get more focused. I think when your f flying

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Speaker 5: high is where it's most difficult, and that's where you know.

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Speaker 3: The great coaches really separate themselves. You know, when everybody.

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Speaker 5: Else is praising your team and telling them how good

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Speaker 5: you are, you're pointing out the things that you need

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Speaker 5: to improve on because there are always things like that.

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Speaker 3: So to me, that's the challenge.

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Speaker 5: Don't say how do you get your guys to be

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Speaker 5: ready thirty two nights a year and when you're flying

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Speaker 5: high it can be more difficult because things have come

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Speaker 5: easy for them.

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Speaker 1: Nick, you have had a chance to throughout you know,

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Speaker 1: obviously doing the games this year, see play throughout the

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Speaker 1: Big East beyond just Butler, I want to ask you

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Speaker 1: about a couple of local stories and just your overall

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Speaker 1: impression of them. Okay, first, I realize you probably have

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Speaker 1: only seen them once, but I'm going to guess that

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Speaker 1: you pay attention outside of just when they're playing. Butler,

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Speaker 1: your thoughts on the rating mister basketball. Braylen Mullins in

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Speaker 1: the year that he's had at Yukon, and I know

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Speaker 1: he started out, you know, injured, and then the minute

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Speaker 1: started coming, he's as good.

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Speaker 3: As advertised this if not better, Jake, I think, you know.

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Speaker 5: The most telling thing for me is, uh, you know,

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Speaker 5: guys can go out and produce and kind of they

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Speaker 5: get they have to kind of go get theirs right.

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Speaker 5: It's like they're running sets for him or running offense toill.

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Speaker 5: Danny Hurley's running stuff through Braylan Mullens and he's doing

651
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Speaker 5: it late in games, and Brayln Mollens is making shots,

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Speaker 5: you know, and hearing the comments from coach early he

653
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Speaker 5: absolutely loves coaching them.

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Speaker 3: So I mean, he is a problem.

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Speaker 5: He's probably you know, played himself into one and done

656
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Speaker 5: territory with the way he's been able to shoot the

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Speaker 5: basketball and be a playmaker. He is an elite, elite player.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 1: Secondly, a guy that I really like and I didn't

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Speaker 1: know him a lot, but when I did, I really

661
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Speaker 1: enjoyed him. And that's Chris Holtman who's now at the Paul,

662
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:56,720
Speaker 1: who Butler just saw, and he, you know, is getting

663
00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:59,319
Speaker 1: good play from CJ. Gunn from Indianapolis the AU trains

664
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Speaker 1: for your assessment and the job for both of those guys.

665
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:06,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I'll tell you what. CJ. Gun has been

666
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 3: really good.

667
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 5: I mean, he came out on fire against the Dogs

668
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:12,279
Speaker 5: the other night, and Butler really the key to the

669
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:14,960
Speaker 5: game was slowing him down and not letting him be

670
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:17,760
Speaker 5: a clean looks look. He's a guy that if CJ.

671
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:20,920
Speaker 5: Gung gets a clean look early, it can be trouble,

672
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 5: right because if he makes a couple, he can get going.

673
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:26,920
Speaker 5: He can score in bunches. And thoroughly impressed with the

674
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:29,719
Speaker 5: job that Chris Holtman has done at the Pall, I mean,

675
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Speaker 5: in preparing for the game earlier this week, like so

676
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 5: many of those game notes where.

677
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:38,919
Speaker 3: Hey, you know, the Paul has won a three game

678
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:41,360
Speaker 3: They have a three game winning streak at home.

679
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 5: In the Big East for the first time since O seven,

680
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:44,960
Speaker 5: and they've done this for the first time since O

681
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:48,120
Speaker 5: six or seven, so he is really building things. And

682
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Speaker 5: one thing you know about Chris Holtman's group is they're

683
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Speaker 5: gonna guard you. They're gonna play with an edge. You know,

684
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:56,399
Speaker 5: they're gonna play with that sense of urgency and you're

685
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:59,360
Speaker 5: gonna have to earn everything from them. So you know,

686
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:02,719
Speaker 5: that's what makes this league so tough. Is night in

687
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:04,719
Speaker 5: and I and you know, people think, oh, to Paul,

688
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:06,840
Speaker 5: that's well, you still got to go play those guys,

689
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 5: and Chris Oltman has got that thing rolling right now,

690
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:13,000
Speaker 5: and so it's been it's been fun to watch them

691
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:15,399
Speaker 5: get better, but it's certainly challenging as a butler guy

692
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:18,120
Speaker 5: because you know that that used to be a little

693
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:20,719
Speaker 5: blip on the radar on the schedule, but now it's

694
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 5: something you got to make sure you're ready for. It's

695
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:24,480
Speaker 5: going to be a grinded out type of game. They're

696
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 5: very similar to Seaton Haul and how well they are,

697
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 5: and that's why I was so impressed with the Dog's office.

698
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:30,360
Speaker 3: To be able to score eighty.

699
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:32,840
Speaker 5: Seven and get that win was big for the Dogs

700
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Speaker 5: that hain't go on Tuesday.

701
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Speaker 1: I really do think audibly Sexy has a good ring

702
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Speaker 1: to it.

703
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:40,960
Speaker 2: Your thoughts on that, I really do.

704
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Speaker 3: I mean, now, that's a good band name, Jake. It

705
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 3: could be a good band name, right there, right?

706
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Speaker 4: What if?

707
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Speaker 1: Okay, So if we're in the band, let's say the

708
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Speaker 1: band is Nick, you, me, and then we'll throw Eddie into.

709
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Speaker 2: The equation here.

710
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Speaker 1: Okay, like what part of the band are you in

711
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Speaker 1: this three piece band?

712
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 2: Who are you?

713
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:06,919
Speaker 3: Oh? Man, that's a great quest.

714
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:12,240
Speaker 5: I mean, I guess I'll nominate myself for lead singer

715
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 5: if somebody's got to do it, Jake, I can do that,

716
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Speaker 5: and maybe I can pound on a base or something

717
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Speaker 5: a little bit.

718
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 1: Okay, So Eddie, what would you be? I know exactly

719
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Speaker 1: what you are, Eddie, but go ahead.

720
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Speaker 4: I'm not sure what I would be. But I know

721
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:28,480
Speaker 4: for sure that our promoter is definitely Nick Gardner's partner,

722
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Speaker 4: Mark Minner.

723
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Speaker 1: Okay, that's fair, get marked to promote us, right, Eddie?

724
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:34,960
Speaker 1: You're the drummer, right, Okay? Sounds good guy?

725
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:35,799
Speaker 2: You know what I mean?

726
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 1: Like people think that, like they take it for granted.

727
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:40,160
Speaker 1: They think anybody can do it, and they're like, you

728
00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 1: know what, he's a pretty good drummer. But you know

729
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:44,160
Speaker 1: the last Now, Nick Eddie. You guys know the last

730
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 1: thing a drummer says in a band, right, Hey, guys,

731
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:49,400
Speaker 1: let's start doing some of my music.

732
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Speaker 2: Once that happens, it's like.

733
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Speaker 1: Hey, let's sit out some flyers on the strip looking

734
00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 1: for a drummer. But Eddie, you kind of have you

735
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:02,799
Speaker 1: kind of look like the catman from Kiss. So I'm

736
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Speaker 1: gonna say you're the drummer.

737
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Speaker 4: I don't know if that's the compliment, but I'll take

738
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Speaker 4: it as a compliment.

739
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 2: I'll be Gene Simmons because I'll just stand here.

740
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Speaker 1: We'll let Nick go ahead, and even though Gene Simmons

741
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:12,319
Speaker 1: is a bass guy, We'll let Nick be the lead singer.

742
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:14,440
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna sit down here and lick my eyebrows,

743
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 1: right and you know, see where things fall, uh, and

744
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 1: just be audibly sexy over, Just be audibly sexy. That's right,

745
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:24,480
Speaker 1: all right, Nick, appreciate the time as always.

746
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Speaker 3: Likewise, pleasure is all mine. Thanks for having me on, Jake.

747
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:31,400
Speaker 2: Nick Gardner from Butler Basketball.

748
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Speaker 1: You know, listen, Chris Holtman, he mentioned that about the

749
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:36,520
Speaker 1: Paul one of the one of the burning questions I

750
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:39,279
Speaker 1: always had was just how to Paul, which was such

751
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 1: a dominant program for a long time.

752
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:41,520
Speaker 2: I know they never won a.

753
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 1: Title, but you know Ray Meyer's ability to just get

754
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 1: Chicago guys to go there and then.

755
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:49,399
Speaker 2: His son and they had it rolling for so long.

756
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:51,800
Speaker 1: That is one that I'm like, how in the world

757
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 1: is De paul basketball not back to where it was?

758
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:56,759
Speaker 4: You know how there's stoppelgangers out there like you look

759
00:38:56,840 --> 00:39:00,200
Speaker 4: like a celebrity or you look like somebody? What is

760
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:01,279
Speaker 4: the audio term for that?

761
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:06,920
Speaker 1: That's a very good question because if I put Nicker

762
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:10,520
Speaker 1: Dolby Ganger, if I okay, Dolby Ganger.

763
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:10,960
Speaker 2: That's what it is.

764
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Speaker 4: That's if I put Nick Gardner and Ted Carris Junior

765
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Speaker 4: on the line at the same time, would we know

766
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Speaker 4: which one is which?

767
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:19,160
Speaker 3: Boy?

768
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:20,160
Speaker 2: That's a good call there.

769
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:25,320
Speaker 1: You know who Mark Malone is, I know, former NFL quarterback,

770
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 1: kind of a journeyman quarterback, but his best years were

771
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 1: in Pittsburgh and he is an or at least was

772
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 1: for years the one of the analysts on Westwood One Radio.

773
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:36,839
Speaker 2: So he might have done like some games with Kevin

774
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:37,719
Speaker 2: Harlan that kind of thing.

775
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:42,360
Speaker 1: And every time, every time that he would do a game,

776
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Speaker 1: I would get a message on my phone of people

777
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 1: like are you doing the game on whatever station between

778
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:51,759
Speaker 1: the Chiefs and you know, the Texans or whatever. And

779
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 1: I will admit I heard it one time. It was like,

780
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:56,600
Speaker 1: whoa that that is a little something, right?

781
00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:00,200
Speaker 4: Was it audibly sexy?

782
00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 2: I was.

783
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:04,719
Speaker 1: I'm not going to lie to you. It's a little bit. No,

784
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 1: but it was weird. It was definitely weird. By the way,

785
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:11,960
Speaker 1: Speaking of I mentioned Chiefs broadcast, did you say that

786
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:14,120
Speaker 1: our old pal Jimmy Cooks can to join the program today?

787
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Speaker 5: Yes?

788
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:17,759
Speaker 2: Yes, chief started by the playoffs. He's got all kinds

789
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:18,279
Speaker 2: of time right.

790
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:19,840
Speaker 4: Forty five minutes from.

791
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Speaker 1: Jimmy's return, coming up bottom of the one o'clock hour,

792
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:26,840
Speaker 1: seawan Ash coming up one fifteen from WTCHR. We're going

793
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Speaker 1: to find out about snowmaged and death storm twenty six

794
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:35,280
Speaker 1: nineteen feet of snow supposed to come on Sunday?

795
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Speaker 2: Is that right, Eddie?

796
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:38,320
Speaker 4: Nineteen feet?

797
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:39,239
Speaker 2: You know what I.

798
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Speaker 1: Always say, and these listen more often than not. I

799
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:48,399
Speaker 1: mock it a lot, but it is. It is remarkable

800
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:51,319
Speaker 1: to me sometimes where they'll say, you know, hey, there's

801
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:53,279
Speaker 1: a storm and it's going to start getting bad at

802
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:56,400
Speaker 1: you know, ten after or whatever. You know, one o'clock

803
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:59,279
Speaker 1: on Sundays when the storm and literally you look up

804
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:00,560
Speaker 1: and it's like twelve fifty.

805
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:02,040
Speaker 4: Eight and here comes a flake and you're like, holy cow.

806
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:06,879
Speaker 1: The timing sometimes, or more importantly, when they say like, hey,

807
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:08,759
Speaker 1: you know, I know it's bad right now, but don't worry.

808
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:10,759
Speaker 1: On Wednesday there's going to be some reprieve and it'll

809
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 1: be up to forty and then on Wednesday it's nice

810
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:14,239
Speaker 1: at And like, how do they know that? Three days out?

811
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 1: And I know that it's the easy target to make

812
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:18,239
Speaker 1: fun of. You know, I wish I was a weather guy.

813
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:22,920
Speaker 1: You're wrong for forty percent of the time. But I think

814
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:25,960
Speaker 1: it's going to be an interesting weekend, and so Sean's

815
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:29,719
Speaker 1: going to come on to talk about that. I don't

816
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:31,560
Speaker 1: know that we'll ever again see the blizzard of seventy eight,

817
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:33,320
Speaker 1: because we've got a little more preparation now than we

818
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:35,799
Speaker 1: did back then, and people like all rush to the

819
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:38,400
Speaker 1: grocery store to I go back to my rant that

820
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:44,640
Speaker 1: I always give. I understand, you know, people have children

821
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 1: and elderly people. I get all that, But even if

822
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:55,359
Speaker 1: you get really bad winter conditions, are you really going

823
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 1: to be stuck inside your house?

824
00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 2: For more than like eighteen hours.

825
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:03,960
Speaker 1: And you could literally come tomorrow and vacuum seal my

826
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:06,920
Speaker 1: residence without me knowing it and not let me out.

827
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 1: And I probably and I've never cooked a meal in

828
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:12,239
Speaker 1: my life, and I probably have enough grazing food in

829
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:14,480
Speaker 1: there to get me by for three days and be

830
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:18,960
Speaker 1: totally fine. I mean, yeah, you know, one lunch might

831
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:21,440
Speaker 1: be a peanut butter sandwich, but you know whatever, right,

832
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:23,680
Speaker 1: And Booz's cat food. By the way, how is Booh,

833
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:25,320
Speaker 1: He's fabulous. Who's great?

834
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:25,800
Speaker 3: Now?

835
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:28,239
Speaker 2: I'll take tips for this from anybody, though.

836
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:31,880
Speaker 1: Boo, which is my cat for those that don't know,

837
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:33,680
Speaker 1: Boo has figured out what.

838
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:34,800
Speaker 2: The cat carrier means.

839
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:37,160
Speaker 1: And I've had to cancel the last two vet visits

840
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:40,759
Speaker 1: because it's just me in there, right and getting Boo Eddie.

841
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 1: Have you ever tried to get a cat into a

842
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:44,000
Speaker 1: cat carrier that doesn't want to get in there? Yes,

843
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 1: it's impossible. Their ability to He's like Barry Sanders, it's incredible.

844
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:52,120
Speaker 2: Congratulations.

845
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:55,360
Speaker 1: By the way, the thirtieth Indiana Sports Writers and Sportscasters

846
00:42:55,360 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 1: Association Hall of Fame class has been announced. Several writers

847
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:04,799
Speaker 1: from towns around Indiana, but among those being inducted this

848
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:11,799
Speaker 1: year Terry Hutchins a posthumous award. Unfortunately, not unfortunately that

849
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 1: he is honored, because that is well worth it. But

850
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:18,560
Speaker 1: Terry Hutchins, who was a longtime Indiana basketball and football

851
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:21,359
Speaker 1: writer for The Star before going on.

852
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:23,279
Speaker 2: Initially he was in Fort Wayne, then the Star.

853
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:26,400
Speaker 1: He's a native of California and worked for a network

854
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 1: of newspapers throughout Indiana while also writing several books about

855
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 1: Indiana athletics. But Terry Hutchins. A tremendous honor for hutch

856
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 1: and certainly pleased to see that he is one of

857
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:43,760
Speaker 1: those that is in. Rick Morwick, who is from Franklin,

858
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:45,720
Speaker 1: writes for the Johnson County Daily Journal.

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00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 2: Congratulations to him.

860
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:53,319
Speaker 1: Jim Russell from the Indianapolis News, Congratulations Rob Blackman, who

861
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 1: you hear on this program from Produced Sports, is getting

862
00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 1: the Mar Bates Sportscaster of the Year award. I think

863
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:03,759
Speaker 1: that was previously announced and Vince Welch very well deserved

864
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:06,760
Speaker 1: from ABC, Fox and WIBC.

865
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Speaker 2: Vince.

866
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:11,840
Speaker 1: I used to always say to Vince Welch that I

867
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:17,719
Speaker 1: was always happy for his success because each time that

868
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:20,240
Speaker 1: he got a job and would move up the ladder,

869
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 1: seeming that I got hired to replace him. So it

870
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:26,480
Speaker 1: was always it was always awesome, right, But Vince, you know,

871
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:27,760
Speaker 1: let me tell you something about Vince.

872
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 4: Welch, his son doing a great job as well.

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00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:30,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, Dylan does a great job.

874
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 1: When when I was in high school and I did radio,

875
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:38,680
Speaker 1: as everybody knows, with Adam Alexander and then Mac Ingall

876
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:39,760
Speaker 1: did football with.

877
00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 2: Me, and we were at wj e L, the North

878
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:43,319
Speaker 2: Central station, and.

879
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 1: David Woods, who works here with us at Urban one

880
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Speaker 1: and as a videographer and editor for the Telemundo and

881
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:52,400
Speaker 1: television broadcast side of things, was in our class. We

882
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 1: had a great class, and I mean of really good kids.

883
00:44:56,719 --> 00:44:57,759
Speaker 2: I mean, and.

884
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:05,440
Speaker 1: Whenever for any local television person would come to do

885
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:08,600
Speaker 1: a story on North Central to cover a game, you know,

886
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:12,320
Speaker 1: Friday night football, whatever it might be, we would always

887
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:15,880
Speaker 1: go up and bend the ear of those folks and

888
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:18,960
Speaker 1: ask what advice they had and could we shadow them,

889
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:22,200
Speaker 1: and you know, et cetera, et cetera. And I was

890
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:24,279
Speaker 1: already you know, kind of under the wing of Ed

891
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 1: Sorenson at that point, it had been since I was

892
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Speaker 1: in the sixth grade.

893
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:28,720
Speaker 2: But Vince was really.

894
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:31,799
Speaker 1: Good to Adam Alexander and Adam just loved and thought

895
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:33,799
Speaker 1: the world of Vince Welch. I think thought of him

896
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:36,759
Speaker 1: professionally as like a father figure type thing, even though

897
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Speaker 1: Adam and his dad are very close, but also.

898
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:41,360
Speaker 2: Just I think they were friends.

899
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:43,360
Speaker 1: But in addition to that, the thing about Vince that

900
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 1: I think Adam really has carried with him to this

901
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:50,040
Speaker 1: day is Vince was just so kind and always has

902
00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:55,320
Speaker 1: been such just a pillar of a person. And Adam

903
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:58,839
Speaker 1: never forgot about how kind Vince was and open door

904
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 1: with him all of us, Hey, anything you guys need

905
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 1: and whatever else. And a tremendous broadcaster that goes without saying.

906
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:08,680
Speaker 1: But the best thing I can say about Vince is

907
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:12,640
Speaker 1: Vince Welch literally is today the exact same guy that

908
00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:15,000
Speaker 1: he was back then when he was like the number

909
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:17,399
Speaker 1: three guy at Channel eight. Literally the exact same guy.

910
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:21,080
Speaker 1: And it goes without saying. A legendary and now Hall

911
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:24,000
Speaker 1: of Fame career. All right, we'll get back into talking

912
00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:27,360
Speaker 1: little college football and the landscape of things and Shawn

913
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Speaker 1: Ash coming up in about fifteen.

914
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Speaker 2: I love this song, love it so it's hard to believe.

915
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:38,680
Speaker 1: It is hard to believe that song is like forty

916
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:45,680
Speaker 1: years old, because it I mean, does this song to you,

917
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 1: Eddie sound ancient or does it sound like it's just

918
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:49,600
Speaker 1: something that you would hear and you're like, yeah, I've

919
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:50,960
Speaker 1: just kind of always known it in the soundtrack of

920
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:51,600
Speaker 1: my life.

921
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:56,680
Speaker 4: And it's in that ladder part. Yeah, this current it's.

922
00:46:56,560 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 1: A good tune, right, Yeah, forty years old. But things

923
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Speaker 1: change father times undefeated, and that includes in college athletics.

924
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:13,319
Speaker 2: A couple of coaches that we have become very familiar with.

925
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Speaker 1: It goes without saying that are almost household names in

926
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Speaker 1: the world of college athletics. We talked earlier about college

927
00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:23,319
Speaker 1: football and just with the nil and the portal, I

928
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:28,800
Speaker 1: don't know exactly where the answer lies, especially.

929
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:30,440
Speaker 2: On the football side of things. That all of this is.

930
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:33,840
Speaker 1: Also confused by the fact that you have the COVID

931
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:36,120
Speaker 1: year in there for players, so they get the extra

932
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Speaker 1: year back, which at the time I totally understood it,

933
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Speaker 1: But now you get guys like Carson Beck that are

934
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Speaker 1: you know, there's six seven years.

935
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Speaker 4: In It's like, good lords, six seven six seven, thank you,

936
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:49,200
Speaker 4: you're welcome.

937
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:50,719
Speaker 2: I should have thought about that when I said it.

938
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:57,200
Speaker 1: And it is a fascinating dynamic when you have players

939
00:47:57,200 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 1: that are opting to stay in school as opposed to

940
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:01,680
Speaker 1: go PROB because they're gonna more money in college, right

941
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:08,239
Speaker 1: at least in the immediacy from a football standpoint, you

942
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:13,239
Speaker 1: would think. And what's also intriguing is it seems as

943
00:48:13,239 --> 00:48:17,720
Speaker 1: though those that now suddenly are the ones most entire

944
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:21,440
Speaker 1: need jumping up and down about reform or regulation for

945
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:23,839
Speaker 1: all of this, are those that we thought were going

946
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:27,319
Speaker 1: to be the ones with the inherent advantage. Ohio State

947
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:30,239
Speaker 1: suddenly is like rolling their eyes and upset with the

948
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:34,880
Speaker 1: way Indiana bought a roster. Clemson fans are upset because

949
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:38,719
Speaker 1: of the way Indiana or Texas Tech took advantage of

950
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:42,120
Speaker 1: the transfer portal. And the schools that we thought were

951
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:45,839
Speaker 1: going to be the rich getting richer are actually the

952
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 1: ones that are kind of stuck in status quo, while others,

953
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:51,600
Speaker 1: because they've always had to work a little harder, saw

954
00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:55,239
Speaker 1: an opportunity and took advantage of it. And schools are

955
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:58,320
Speaker 1: now able to do legally what a lot of programs

956
00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:02,439
Speaker 1: were doing illegally forever. And on the college basketball side

957
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:05,640
Speaker 1: of things, a little bit different. Shorter number of players.

958
00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:09,200
Speaker 1: You're wondering now that you're starting to get these players

959
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:13,760
Speaker 1: in this gray area of G League players or players

960
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:15,520
Speaker 1: that were drafted in the NBA but have yet to

961
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:17,759
Speaker 1: sign a contract and are now dipping down and taking

962
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:21,400
Speaker 1: college eligibility and all of those things. It also murkys

963
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:26,440
Speaker 1: and muddies the water for college basketball. Two coaches well

964
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:27,120
Speaker 1: known around.

965
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:27,520
Speaker 2: The game.

966
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:30,919
Speaker 1: Have touched on and spoken about this in the last

967
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:36,000
Speaker 1: few days. One of them is the coach that probably

968
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:40,520
Speaker 1: is most synonymous with success over the last several years.

969
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:45,520
Speaker 1: John Caliperi is at Arkansas and had the following to

970
00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:48,719
Speaker 1: say about the state of things as it stands right now,

971
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:50,239
Speaker 1: you got.

972
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:53,520
Speaker 2: Five years to play four.

973
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:58,879
Speaker 8: If you stay at the same school four years, we'll

974
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:02,799
Speaker 8: give you a fifth year. If your coach leaves or

975
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:07,640
Speaker 8: is fired, you can transfer without penalty.

976
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:11,400
Speaker 1: You can do it once, and if.

977
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Speaker 8: The coach is fired or leaves, you can end up

978
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Speaker 8: doing it twice.

979
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:16,399
Speaker 2: But after that you got to sit out.

980
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:18,359
Speaker 4: You transfer, but you.

981
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:19,360
Speaker 1: Got to sit out.

982
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:22,560
Speaker 8: Does anybody care what this is doing for seventeen and

983
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:26,560
Speaker 8: eighteen year old American kids? Do you know what this

984
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:30,000
Speaker 8: opportunity has done for them and their families? There aren't

985
00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:33,440
Speaker 8: gonna be any high school kids who other than dumb

986
00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:37,279
Speaker 8: people like me are gonna recruit high school kids. I

987
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:40,920
Speaker 8: get so much satisfaction out of coaching young kids and

988
00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:44,160
Speaker 8: seeing them grow and make it and their family life

989
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:48,120
Speaker 8: changes that I'm gonna keep doing it. But why would

990
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Speaker 8: anybody else? If you can get NBA players, g League players,

991
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:56,080
Speaker 8: Guys that are twenty eight years old, guys from Europe?

992
00:50:56,960 --> 00:50:59,200
Speaker 2: Do we really know their transcript.

993
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:00,879
Speaker 1: Somebody over there?

994
00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:03,239
Speaker 4: Do we really know their birth certificate?

995
00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:04,719
Speaker 2: Or don't we?

996
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:08,560
Speaker 8: And then yeah, just there no word? Look, Tommy is

997
00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:12,440
Speaker 8: oh Mark few. There are a bunch of us that

998
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:16,520
Speaker 8: are just we got no rules? Why did they let

999
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:21,560
Speaker 8: that kid play? Tell us all, here's what the reason?

1000
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:23,200
Speaker 8: Then we'll all go get pros.

1001
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:27,520
Speaker 2: We'll go find them now.

1002
00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:29,520
Speaker 1: I have a ton of respect for John Cali Perry

1003
00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:33,239
Speaker 1: as a coach, and I didn't when I grew up

1004
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:36,719
Speaker 1: in Indiana and was an Indiana fan. I hated Kentucky,

1005
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:40,200
Speaker 1: and when he was a Kentucky I hated Kentucky. But

1006
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:44,560
Speaker 1: I had to respect his ability. He has something in

1007
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:47,439
Speaker 1: common with Kurt Signetti. You can sit there and roll

1008
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:50,640
Speaker 1: your eyes at how or the method or the decision

1009
00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:55,239
Speaker 1: making of how they got players, but players get better

1010
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:58,880
Speaker 1: under them. Fernanda Bundosa got better this year in Indiana,

1011
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:03,640
Speaker 1: he just arot got better playing for Kurt Signetti. And

1012
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:07,360
Speaker 1: in John cali Peri's case, for years at Kentucky you

1013
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:10,239
Speaker 1: had Worldwide West and the Nike connection and all that,

1014
00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:16,560
Speaker 1: and everybody knew, everybody knew there was probably some weird

1015
00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:20,520
Speaker 1: stuff going on. But now that everybody can do it.

1016
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:24,640
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying he makes bad points. He does

1017
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:28,839
Speaker 1: a remarkable job of meshing personalities and growing players, There's

1018
00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:33,399
Speaker 1: no doubt about it, but the method in which those

1019
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:36,839
Speaker 1: players are acquired. Everybody else is now doing what cali

1020
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:41,000
Speaker 1: Perry probably has been doing forever. So now there's a problem,

1021
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:45,000
Speaker 1: right because everybody else can do it now. Another coach

1022
00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:47,920
Speaker 1: that is well known in the world of basketball, not

1023
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:53,160
Speaker 1: necessarily as a coach, but as a player. Bobby Hurley

1024
00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:55,200
Speaker 1: is one of the great college basketball players of all time.

1025
00:52:56,320 --> 00:52:59,160
Speaker 1: Hit some big shots against Indiana that ninety two Final four.

1026
00:53:00,520 --> 00:53:03,040
Speaker 1: Gutsy player, gritty player. We know what happened. He got

1027
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:05,280
Speaker 1: into the NBA, he got into a terrible car accident,

1028
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:10,239
Speaker 1: and you know, kind of was never the same. But

1029
00:53:12,719 --> 00:53:15,480
Speaker 1: he has been coaching for a while. His brother is

1030
00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:18,560
Speaker 1: probably the best coach in college basketball, at least in

1031
00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:24,920
Speaker 1: this current era, and Bobby Hurley's at Arizona State. Bobby

1032
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:29,240
Speaker 1: Hurley not related to this, at least not overtly related

1033
00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:32,000
Speaker 1: to all of what we're talking about, but he had

1034
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:34,719
Speaker 1: the following to say after the Sun Devil's recent game.

1035
00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:35,919
Speaker 2: I think this was last night.

1036
00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:38,840
Speaker 9: You know, we got punk down the stretch, like couldn't

1037
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:42,360
Speaker 9: get key rebounds, like just where we needed to.

1038
00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:43,920
Speaker 2: We made the miss.

1039
00:53:43,719 --> 00:53:46,080
Speaker 9: Somewhere and we just couldn't come up with a rebound.

1040
00:53:46,120 --> 00:53:52,360
Speaker 9: It's been like a consistent theme throughout you know, hats

1041
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:54,200
Speaker 9: off to them. I mean the shot they made on

1042
00:53:54,239 --> 00:53:57,400
Speaker 9: the right wing from like thirty feet as the shot

1043
00:53:57,440 --> 00:54:01,360
Speaker 9: clock was expiring. Like there's things like that happening which

1044
00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:06,759
Speaker 9: bring the word like doomed into my mind. Like that's

1045
00:54:07,120 --> 00:54:09,640
Speaker 9: that's the word. When I see a shot like that

1046
00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:13,799
Speaker 9: go in like doomed, Right, that's what I That's what

1047
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:17,840
Speaker 9: I that's come. We have not played well here in years,

1048
00:54:18,719 --> 00:54:22,880
Speaker 9: like like since before COVID, Like we had this place

1049
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:27,360
Speaker 9: cooking before COVID. Now it's just it's a sterile environment.

1050
00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:29,680
Speaker 3: It's uh, it's uh.

1051
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:32,080
Speaker 9: We we don't win here. We don't give our fans

1052
00:54:32,120 --> 00:54:37,000
Speaker 9: any reason to show up with enthusiasm to think that

1053
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:40,839
Speaker 9: that we're going to win a basketball game. And we

1054
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:44,480
Speaker 9: have been dreadful at home for years, even the year.

1055
00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:46,560
Speaker 9: I mean, i'd have to look at the exact record.

1056
00:54:46,560 --> 00:54:48,320
Speaker 9: The last time we did go to the nca Tournament

1057
00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:50,359
Speaker 9: a couple of years ago. I don't think we were

1058
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:50,839
Speaker 9: great here.

1059
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:54,680
Speaker 1: Okay, so that's Bobby Hurley. And what does that sound

1060
00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:57,120
Speaker 1: like now? That sounds like a guy sure that maybe

1061
00:54:57,120 --> 00:54:58,239
Speaker 1: he's trying to motivate his team.

1062
00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:00,000
Speaker 2: The Sun Devils are terrible. They've blust three in a row.

1063
00:55:00,560 --> 00:55:03,600
Speaker 1: I think they're one in five in conference play. They

1064
00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:05,759
Speaker 1: were a bubble team a couple years ago. Right now

1065
00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:07,759
Speaker 1: they said at ten and nine, they're thirteenth in the

1066
00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:14,320
Speaker 1: Big Twelve. That's a coach that is basically saying it's over.

1067
00:55:14,719 --> 00:55:16,879
Speaker 2: I want out stop the planet. I went off.

1068
00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:21,000
Speaker 1: That's basically what Bobby Hurley is saying right there. And yes,

1069
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:24,759
Speaker 1: part of that is probably a frustration because of the

1070
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:31,160
Speaker 1: way Arizona State is playing, But I think it's probably

1071
00:55:31,239 --> 00:55:36,680
Speaker 1: also a frustration in the way that they are having

1072
00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:42,239
Speaker 1: to be assembled and the status and the state of

1073
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:45,040
Speaker 1: the game today, it would be very difficult. I would

1074
00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:51,000
Speaker 1: assume it would be very difficult to prepare year in

1075
00:55:51,080 --> 00:55:53,319
Speaker 1: and year out for teams, because what you can't watch

1076
00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:55,440
Speaker 1: film from last year, it's an all new roster.

1077
00:55:55,920 --> 00:55:57,600
Speaker 2: You gotta watch film from games this year.

1078
00:55:57,680 --> 00:56:00,200
Speaker 1: I get it. You gotta work a little harder. I

1079
00:56:00,239 --> 00:56:06,880
Speaker 1: get it. But there's no coincidence. There's no When Tony

1080
00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:09,400
Speaker 1: Bennett stepped out at Virginia, that should have been the

1081
00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:18,440
Speaker 1: warning whistle to everybody. When Jay Wright stepped down at Villanova,

1082
00:56:18,520 --> 00:56:22,279
Speaker 1: that should have been the warning whistle to everybody. In

1083
00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:27,080
Speaker 1: football is a little bit different because football can sustain

1084
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:34,400
Speaker 1: the greed overtaking it and the fact that you're watching

1085
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:37,600
Speaker 1: basically mercenaries because in football, a lot of those guys

1086
00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:38,400
Speaker 1: they're wearing.

1087
00:56:38,160 --> 00:56:40,080
Speaker 2: Helmets and pads and you don't recognize them.

1088
00:56:40,360 --> 00:56:43,880
Speaker 1: In basketball, you anticipate and expect, and you want to

1089
00:56:44,040 --> 00:56:47,000
Speaker 1: know the roster. You want familiarity from one year to

1090
00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:48,960
Speaker 1: the next. You want to see a team being built,

1091
00:56:49,040 --> 00:56:51,479
Speaker 1: because to change two guys is to change forty percent

1092
00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:55,240
Speaker 1: of the lineup. And so when you get mercenary aspect

1093
00:56:55,320 --> 00:57:00,560
Speaker 1: of it in basketball, that feels to people more personal

1094
00:57:01,880 --> 00:57:04,000
Speaker 1: and I think that there is more of a backlash

1095
00:57:04,080 --> 00:57:06,440
Speaker 1: from fan and coach and everything else in the way

1096
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:10,960
Speaker 1: it's happening in basketball versus football, and it feels like

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00:57:11,080 --> 00:57:12,280
Speaker 1: fan interest as well.

1098
00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:13,680
Speaker 2: A lah Bobby Hurley talking.

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00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:15,520
Speaker 1: They're not that Arizona State was ever a hotbed for

1100
00:57:15,560 --> 00:57:18,120
Speaker 1: college basketball, but when you hear them talking about just

1101
00:57:18,200 --> 00:57:20,800
Speaker 1: you know, there's no atmosphere. It's sterile. I think you're

1102
00:57:20,840 --> 00:57:24,520
Speaker 1: seeing that more and more. Indiana's played games this year

1103
00:57:24,520 --> 00:57:28,760
Speaker 1: in front of ten thousand people. It's crazy. Never thought

1104
00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:31,960
Speaker 1: i'd see that. But college basketball, I think all this

1105
00:57:32,120 --> 00:57:35,600
Speaker 1: wind of change is kind of hurting college basketball more

1106
00:57:35,600 --> 00:57:38,440
Speaker 1: than football. But speaking of wind of change, I think

1107
00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:42,600
Speaker 1: that's happening. From a meteorological standpoint. It is death storm

1108
00:57:42,640 --> 00:57:45,080
Speaker 1: snow org twenty twenty six coming up, I believe.

1109
00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:48,760
Speaker 4: So I've got a only fans reference. We now have

1110
00:57:48,840 --> 00:57:51,360
Speaker 4: a death storm orgy? Is that what you just called it?

1111
00:57:51,560 --> 00:57:54,920
Speaker 1: Well, there's there's only fans lights in here. Not that

1112
00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:57,320
Speaker 1: I know these things. I'm just saying that's what I'm

1113
00:57:57,320 --> 00:58:01,160
Speaker 1: told they look like. No, that's a studio lighting. Okay,

1114
00:58:01,320 --> 00:58:03,360
Speaker 1: studio lighting. Speaking of that, I see this guy in

1115
00:58:03,400 --> 00:58:06,640
Speaker 1: a studio once a week, always pleasant, always does a

1116
00:58:06,680 --> 00:58:08,919
Speaker 1: fabulous job, and I did want to have kidding aside

1117
00:58:08,920 --> 00:58:11,800
Speaker 1: and flippancy aside. Somebody on to let us know, especially

1118
00:58:11,840 --> 00:58:14,920
Speaker 1: with the stuff going on in Bloomington outside and the weekend,

1119
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:18,120
Speaker 1: everybody's in a frenzy. Shawn Ash from WTHR Channel thirteen

1120
00:58:18,640 --> 00:58:21,240
Speaker 1: noted John Caliperry dislike her.

1121
00:58:21,160 --> 00:58:24,600
Speaker 2: Because he's a Louisville fan, joining us on the show. Hi, Sean,

1122
00:58:24,640 --> 00:58:25,320
Speaker 2: are you out?

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00:58:25,360 --> 00:58:28,680
Speaker 10: My friend Hey, White Death twenty twenty six coming at

1124
00:58:28,680 --> 00:58:29,280
Speaker 10: his friends.

1125
00:58:29,360 --> 00:58:30,200
Speaker 2: Okay, there we go.

1126
00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:34,840
Speaker 1: That's what I'm calling White Death twenty twenty six. Okay,

1127
00:58:35,120 --> 00:58:37,000
Speaker 1: all right, So what do we got upcoming and when

1128
00:58:37,040 --> 00:58:37,280
Speaker 1: is it.

1129
00:58:37,240 --> 00:58:37,760
Speaker 2: Going to happen?

1130
00:58:38,560 --> 00:58:44,320
Speaker 10: All right, So let's talk specifically first about the celebration

1131
00:58:44,440 --> 00:58:49,040
Speaker 10: in Bloomington Saturday. If you're heading down to that, I

1132
00:58:49,080 --> 00:58:53,480
Speaker 10: would plan to dress for wind shills and about five below,

1133
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:56,040
Speaker 10: So it's going to be a chilly one.

1134
00:58:56,080 --> 00:58:56,240
Speaker 5: Now.

1135
00:58:56,280 --> 00:58:59,960
Speaker 10: Whether or not we have snow during the cell of

1136
00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:04,280
Speaker 10: that's I'm a little more uncertain on that. However, if

1137
00:59:04,320 --> 00:59:06,360
Speaker 10: we did, if it was you know, a little light

1138
00:59:06,520 --> 00:59:10,440
Speaker 10: versus snow, the roads could get slicked quickly. I was

1139
00:59:10,520 --> 00:59:15,439
Speaker 10: just conferring with my teammate here, rob Alis. We think

1140
00:59:15,840 --> 00:59:20,640
Speaker 10: the teeth of the storm will be Saturday night and

1141
00:59:20,640 --> 00:59:21,960
Speaker 10: then during the day on Sunday.

1142
00:59:22,040 --> 00:59:24,840
Speaker 2: Okay, right now.

1143
00:59:24,880 --> 00:59:28,360
Speaker 10: We're thinking between six and ten around the metro area.

1144
00:59:29,480 --> 00:59:32,840
Speaker 10: You get down to Bloomington, you get down to Columbus,

1145
00:59:33,240 --> 00:59:37,200
Speaker 10: and then southward toward the Ohio River. That may be

1146
00:59:37,320 --> 00:59:44,240
Speaker 10: a solid ten inches more So Sunday traveling, in my opinion,

1147
00:59:44,280 --> 00:59:46,120
Speaker 10: is going to you know, and listen, I always tell people,

1148
00:59:46,120 --> 00:59:47,600
Speaker 10: you got to make your own decision, you got to

1149
00:59:47,640 --> 00:59:50,680
Speaker 10: make your own choices. But you know, the roads are

1150
00:59:50,680 --> 00:59:52,439
Speaker 10: going to be slick because it's such a it's such

1151
00:59:52,440 --> 00:59:56,720
Speaker 10: a dog on cold setup. That's the problem. And heck,

1152
00:59:56,760 --> 00:59:59,360
Speaker 10: even if we only got two or three inches of snowfall,

1153
00:59:59,560 --> 01:00:03,720
Speaker 10: that would be enough to make the roads pretty slow. Yeah,

1154
01:00:03,880 --> 01:00:07,200
Speaker 10: winter storm watch now will eventually become a winter storm

1155
01:00:07,240 --> 01:00:14,520
Speaker 10: warning and snow will end by probably ten eleven o'clock

1156
01:00:14,600 --> 01:00:18,680
Speaker 10: Sunday night, and then we're going to stay pretty cold

1157
01:00:19,080 --> 01:00:21,360
Speaker 10: much in next week. But yeah, this has some teeth.

1158
01:00:21,560 --> 01:00:24,160
Speaker 10: I did look back because you know, there's a lot

1159
01:00:24,160 --> 01:00:27,680
Speaker 10: of big numbers thrown around in the city of Indianapolis.

1160
01:00:27,720 --> 01:00:31,200
Speaker 10: On the record, we have had eight one day snows

1161
01:00:31,240 --> 01:00:32,320
Speaker 10: of ten inches or more.

1162
01:00:33,560 --> 01:00:35,120
Speaker 6: The last one was actually back.

1163
01:00:35,000 --> 01:00:38,080
Speaker 10: In March of twenty eighteen, so we don't get them

1164
01:00:38,120 --> 01:00:40,360
Speaker 10: a lot, but not going to completely rule it out

1165
01:00:40,440 --> 01:00:44,800
Speaker 10: either way. Again, I would plan for a pretty snowy Sunday.

1166
01:00:45,480 --> 01:00:48,600
Speaker 10: The big for us right now, kind of the most

1167
01:00:48,680 --> 01:00:52,200
Speaker 10: uncertain parts is whether or not we get a little

1168
01:00:52,200 --> 01:00:55,720
Speaker 10: first wave of snow the middle part of Saturday. It's

1169
01:00:55,720 --> 01:00:57,920
Speaker 10: a so ability. We're just not putting a lot of

1170
01:00:57,960 --> 01:00:58,960
Speaker 10: stock into it just yet.

1171
01:00:59,040 --> 01:01:01,680
Speaker 1: So for folks that from the Indy area or for

1172
01:01:01,760 --> 01:01:03,680
Speaker 1: that matter, column you know, whatever it may be. If

1173
01:01:03,720 --> 01:01:05,480
Speaker 1: you are from around the state and you're heading down

1174
01:01:05,480 --> 01:01:09,720
Speaker 1: to Bloomington Saturday for the one o'clock celebration, probably the

1175
01:01:09,800 --> 01:01:12,320
Speaker 1: key Sean would be it would be wise to not

1176
01:01:12,440 --> 01:01:15,320
Speaker 1: plan on staying the night in Bloomington and rather come

1177
01:01:15,400 --> 01:01:17,000
Speaker 1: back and try to be home before Sunday.

1178
01:01:17,160 --> 01:01:20,760
Speaker 10: Safe to say, uh yeah, unless you want to drive

1179
01:01:20,800 --> 01:01:23,080
Speaker 10: through snow roads, you know. Yeah, I mean I think

1180
01:01:23,120 --> 01:01:26,960
Speaker 10: that's that's a good point. Yeah, if and you know,

1181
01:01:27,000 --> 01:01:29,439
Speaker 10: if you don't mind it, some people don't. You don't

1182
01:01:29,440 --> 01:01:33,680
Speaker 10: mind white knuckle conditions, yeah, you know, but Sunday is

1183
01:01:33,800 --> 01:01:38,200
Speaker 10: going to be a very snowy day, you know, d

1184
01:01:38,280 --> 01:01:39,000
Speaker 10: heavy at times.

1185
01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:42,480
Speaker 2: Certainly this I'm almost embarrassed to ask this.

1186
01:01:42,520 --> 01:01:46,040
Speaker 1: Sean Sean Ash is our guest from w THR, And

1187
01:01:46,120 --> 01:01:47,960
Speaker 1: I know that stuns you to think that I'm going

1188
01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:50,800
Speaker 1: to ask a dumb question here, right. Sometimes when you

1189
01:01:50,800 --> 01:01:52,760
Speaker 1: get a bunch of snow, it's that like kind of

1190
01:01:52,760 --> 01:01:55,640
Speaker 1: wet snow that's easier to shovel, but it's heavy as heck,

1191
01:01:55,720 --> 01:01:57,240
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, But it doesn't blow around

1192
01:01:57,280 --> 01:01:59,640
Speaker 1: as much. Then you get the times where it becomes

1193
01:01:59,680 --> 01:02:02,520
Speaker 1: the challenge becomes. You go out, it's like being in

1194
01:02:02,560 --> 01:02:04,320
Speaker 1: a snow glob. You can't see anything because it's just

1195
01:02:04,360 --> 01:02:07,040
Speaker 1: flying all over the place. Do we have any idea

1196
01:02:07,200 --> 01:02:09,360
Speaker 1: what like things would look like, say Sunday or Monday,

1197
01:02:09,480 --> 01:02:11,840
Speaker 1: is to kind of the aftermath, I'm more of.

1198
01:02:11,800 --> 01:02:13,520
Speaker 10: A powdery I think it's going to be more of

1199
01:02:13,520 --> 01:02:17,240
Speaker 10: a powdery kind of snow. Exception might be the farther

1200
01:02:17,400 --> 01:02:23,040
Speaker 10: south you go, you know, a little maybe Bloomington, maybe

1201
01:02:23,040 --> 01:02:26,560
Speaker 10: a little bit farther south might be more of a heavier,

1202
01:02:26,800 --> 01:02:29,280
Speaker 10: wetter snow. But for a lot of this, you know,

1203
01:02:29,400 --> 01:02:31,040
Speaker 10: just be I mean, this thing is going to be falling.

1204
01:02:31,920 --> 01:02:33,200
Speaker 11: Temperature are going to be in low.

1205
01:02:33,080 --> 01:02:36,840
Speaker 10: Teens for much of the snow, So it's going to

1206
01:02:36,880 --> 01:02:40,080
Speaker 10: be more of a colder, dryer snow, if you will.

1207
01:02:41,240 --> 01:02:42,880
Speaker 10: But I you know, I think the metro a lot

1208
01:02:42,920 --> 01:02:44,920
Speaker 10: of folks by the time we get into Monday morning,

1209
01:02:44,960 --> 01:02:46,960
Speaker 10: I think, you know, a lot of minimum, a lot

1210
01:02:47,000 --> 01:02:50,320
Speaker 10: of people should have about six inches if not more.

1211
01:02:50,760 --> 01:02:52,880
Speaker 4: Sean, I know we have a lot of people that

1212
01:02:52,960 --> 01:02:55,320
Speaker 4: listen on like the app and you know, through streaming

1213
01:02:55,400 --> 01:02:57,240
Speaker 4: or because we have so many different ways that people

1214
01:02:57,280 --> 01:03:00,200
Speaker 4: can listen in the southern part of Indiana. So in

1215
01:03:00,280 --> 01:03:03,000
Speaker 4: like the border of like Indiana and Kentucky, is there

1216
01:03:03,040 --> 01:03:05,760
Speaker 4: a possibility of ice in the southern part of the

1217
01:03:05,800 --> 01:03:07,720
Speaker 4: state or are they just talking snow down there too.

1218
01:03:08,640 --> 01:03:12,440
Speaker 10: I don't think it can can completely get ruled out.

1219
01:03:12,480 --> 01:03:17,320
Speaker 10: And here's the tricky part. There's a real fine line

1220
01:03:17,400 --> 01:03:22,880
Speaker 10: where you get It's called the sleep line. And just

1221
01:03:23,080 --> 01:03:26,240
Speaker 10: north of that sleep line is where it That's where

1222
01:03:26,480 --> 01:03:28,840
Speaker 10: that's where the snow sweet spot will be. Just north

1223
01:03:28,880 --> 01:03:31,400
Speaker 10: of that line. Does it make it? Does the sleep

1224
01:03:31,440 --> 01:03:36,080
Speaker 10: make it up to Louisville, does it get across the river? Yeah,

1225
01:03:36,160 --> 01:03:38,240
Speaker 10: I don't want to completely rule it out right now.

1226
01:03:38,240 --> 01:03:44,920
Speaker 10: I'm hedging more toward it doesn't in Louisville since the

1227
01:03:45,000 --> 01:03:49,040
Speaker 10: southern counties or the the southern counties of Indiana just

1228
01:03:49,080 --> 01:03:53,480
Speaker 10: get pasted with a foot or more. That's the way

1229
01:03:53,520 --> 01:03:56,120
Speaker 10: it looks right now. Now keep in mind, my friends,

1230
01:03:56,280 --> 01:04:00,000
Speaker 10: we're forty eight hours away, so you know, this is

1231
01:04:00,120 --> 01:04:02,560
Speaker 10: kind of being Hey, this is our initial snow call,

1232
01:04:02,640 --> 01:04:04,040
Speaker 10: and then you just have to want you got to

1233
01:04:04,080 --> 01:04:04,680
Speaker 10: watch this thing.

1234
01:04:05,120 --> 01:04:05,320
Speaker 4: You know.

1235
01:04:05,440 --> 01:04:08,520
Speaker 10: Does it continue to trend north or does it trend

1236
01:04:08,560 --> 01:04:11,040
Speaker 10: a little bit to the south. Those are all options

1237
01:04:11,080 --> 01:04:13,840
Speaker 10: as well. So this is kind of the initial starting

1238
01:04:13,880 --> 01:04:16,840
Speaker 10: point for us, and then we will be looking at

1239
01:04:16,880 --> 01:04:19,880
Speaker 10: data between now and by the time the first flakes

1240
01:04:19,880 --> 01:04:24,080
Speaker 10: fly there on Saturday and make adjustments as needed.

1241
01:04:25,200 --> 01:04:27,840
Speaker 1: When will we get any sort of a reprie So basically,

1242
01:04:27,880 --> 01:04:30,720
Speaker 1: Sean Shawn ash w t hr is our guest Java

1243
01:04:30,760 --> 01:04:35,920
Speaker 1: House Peel and poor guest line. Sean, I've always said,

1244
01:04:36,520 --> 01:04:39,200
Speaker 1: I don't mind snow so much. What drives me nuts

1245
01:04:39,320 --> 01:04:42,640
Speaker 1: is bitter cold temperatures or lack of sunshine we get.

1246
01:04:42,720 --> 01:04:44,919
Speaker 2: Will we get reprieved on sunny out today?

1247
01:04:45,000 --> 01:04:45,120
Speaker 3: Right?

1248
01:04:45,160 --> 01:04:47,240
Speaker 1: So that's cool. I can deal with that, But is

1249
01:04:47,280 --> 01:04:48,600
Speaker 1: this going to are we getting ready?

1250
01:04:48,680 --> 01:04:48,720
Speaker 7: Like?

1251
01:04:48,760 --> 01:04:50,960
Speaker 2: In other words, Are we all moving to Russia? Is that?

1252
01:04:51,200 --> 01:04:53,440
Speaker 2: Are we getting ready for like ten days of being Siberian?

1253
01:04:53,520 --> 01:04:54,120
Speaker 2: Is that what's happening?

1254
01:04:54,160 --> 01:04:54,440
Speaker 8: Yeah?

1255
01:04:54,560 --> 01:04:56,720
Speaker 10: So, you know, here's the thing. When you get a

1256
01:04:56,760 --> 01:05:00,720
Speaker 10: deep snow pack, especially a fresh one, h it gets

1257
01:05:00,720 --> 01:05:03,840
Speaker 10: pretty cold. We're going to have some nights next week,

1258
01:05:03,880 --> 01:05:07,440
Speaker 10: providing this forecast plays out, we'll have some nights next

1259
01:05:07,480 --> 01:05:11,960
Speaker 10: week with the air temperature well below zero. Might have

1260
01:05:12,000 --> 01:05:14,600
Speaker 10: a couple of days where we're not out of the

1261
01:05:14,640 --> 01:05:18,800
Speaker 10: single digits. So now we might have a few sunny

1262
01:05:18,880 --> 01:05:19,200
Speaker 10: days there.

1263
01:05:19,200 --> 01:05:20,800
Speaker 11: For you, Jake, I'll take that.

1264
01:05:21,360 --> 01:05:23,800
Speaker 2: But it's kind of weird.

1265
01:05:23,840 --> 01:05:25,080
Speaker 1: You kind of get used to I mean, you don't

1266
01:05:25,080 --> 01:05:26,480
Speaker 1: get used to it, but you kind of get used

1267
01:05:26,480 --> 01:05:28,040
Speaker 1: to it. Does that make sense when it's super cold?

1268
01:05:28,640 --> 01:05:30,560
Speaker 10: Well, you know, listen, you and I kind of grew

1269
01:05:30,640 --> 01:05:31,600
Speaker 10: up in the same time.

1270
01:05:31,720 --> 01:05:31,880
Speaker 1: Man.

1271
01:05:32,120 --> 01:05:38,440
Speaker 10: Those winters of the seventies and eighties were awesome for kids.

1272
01:05:39,320 --> 01:05:42,320
Speaker 10: Those are what I remember. So let's you know, hey,

1273
01:05:42,360 --> 01:05:45,440
Speaker 10: it's January, we should if you don't have spring fever now,

1274
01:05:45,440 --> 01:05:48,000
Speaker 10: though I guarantee you'll have to after this.

1275
01:05:48,520 --> 01:05:50,760
Speaker 2: Did we have more snow when we were kids?

1276
01:05:50,760 --> 01:05:52,800
Speaker 1: Shot or do we just remember it that way because

1277
01:05:52,840 --> 01:05:53,960
Speaker 1: we took advantage of it.

1278
01:05:54,440 --> 01:05:56,440
Speaker 10: Yeah, maybe that was well, maybe we had true snow

1279
01:05:56,520 --> 01:05:57,840
Speaker 10: days and that's why we remembered it.

1280
01:05:58,200 --> 01:05:59,880
Speaker 11: You know, I grew up in Louisville.

1281
01:05:59,880 --> 01:06:01,480
Speaker 10: I can't tell you how many times I woke up

1282
01:06:01,520 --> 01:06:03,800
Speaker 10: with a surprise, like my dad's like, hey, go back

1283
01:06:03,840 --> 01:06:06,640
Speaker 10: to bed, look out the window, you know, and it's like, oh,

1284
01:06:06,680 --> 01:06:08,600
Speaker 10: five inches of snow on the ground. And maybe that's

1285
01:06:08,600 --> 01:06:12,240
Speaker 10: what it was, you know, But yeah, I mean, you know,

1286
01:06:12,320 --> 01:06:15,040
Speaker 10: you think about seventy eight was a brutal one here,

1287
01:06:15,840 --> 01:06:19,280
Speaker 10: eighty I believe eighty five was also a pretty nasty one,

1288
01:06:19,720 --> 01:06:24,760
Speaker 10: and those up until you know, twenty thirteen, twenty fourteen,

1289
01:06:24,800 --> 01:06:28,800
Speaker 10: that's actually our snowiest winter on record in the Metro.

1290
01:06:28,920 --> 01:06:31,160
Speaker 10: We were up. I think we got up to about

1291
01:06:31,160 --> 01:06:36,000
Speaker 10: fifty five inches that winter. So we had a fast start,

1292
01:06:36,200 --> 01:06:38,720
Speaker 10: we slowed down, and now we're ramping back up.

1293
01:06:38,960 --> 01:06:41,960
Speaker 1: Sunday, by the way, is the forty eight year anniversary

1294
01:06:41,960 --> 01:06:43,280
Speaker 1: of the Blizzard of seventy eight.

1295
01:06:43,880 --> 01:06:48,439
Speaker 10: So Blizzard of seventy eight, which for the just about

1296
01:06:48,440 --> 01:06:51,440
Speaker 10: the entire state that remains the benchmark winter.

1297
01:06:51,520 --> 01:06:54,040
Speaker 3: Totally totally all right, last I got to ask this

1298
01:06:54,040 --> 01:06:54,400
Speaker 3: before we.

1299
01:06:54,400 --> 01:06:56,880
Speaker 2: Let you go Sean. This Pat Kelsey, the coach at Louisville.

1300
01:06:56,880 --> 01:06:58,840
Speaker 1: I know you grew up in Louisville and you're a

1301
01:06:58,960 --> 01:07:01,240
Speaker 1: UL fan, good coach or just goofy?

1302
01:07:01,320 --> 01:07:01,840
Speaker 2: Which is it?

1303
01:07:02,600 --> 01:07:02,960
Speaker 11: Uh?

1304
01:07:03,040 --> 01:07:03,320
Speaker 6: Now?

1305
01:07:03,360 --> 01:07:07,000
Speaker 10: Man, I think he's pretty sharp. But you can be

1306
01:07:07,120 --> 01:07:08,840
Speaker 10: both too though, right, you.

1307
01:07:08,760 --> 01:07:10,600
Speaker 2: Know what, he's kind of to be honest with you.

1308
01:07:10,640 --> 01:07:13,960
Speaker 1: I look at him a little bit like Kurt Signetti

1309
01:07:14,440 --> 01:07:17,080
Speaker 1: and the fact that when he took the job, you know,

1310
01:07:17,120 --> 01:07:19,360
Speaker 1: people were like, man, this dude's saying some crazy stuff.

1311
01:07:19,400 --> 01:07:21,439
Speaker 1: But he kind of had to write like he kind

1312
01:07:21,440 --> 01:07:23,880
Speaker 1: of had to to to kind of sell it and that,

1313
01:07:23,960 --> 01:07:25,840
Speaker 1: you know, and build it back up. And I've always

1314
01:07:25,880 --> 01:07:27,720
Speaker 1: kind of liked Louisville basketball. I like the guy.

1315
01:07:27,720 --> 01:07:29,400
Speaker 2: I just was curious what the Louisville thought is.

1316
01:07:29,760 --> 01:07:34,360
Speaker 10: Yeah. I mean, look, we had historically probably two of

1317
01:07:34,400 --> 01:07:38,920
Speaker 10: the statistically worst seasons you could have, uh in Division

1318
01:07:38,920 --> 01:07:42,600
Speaker 10: one basketball. So I think he understood that he needed

1319
01:07:42,600 --> 01:07:45,920
Speaker 10: to kind of galvanize the fan base. Of course, you

1320
01:07:45,960 --> 01:07:48,160
Speaker 10: can talk to the game, and then you know, then

1321
01:07:48,160 --> 01:07:51,600
Speaker 10: you've got to apply it. He does some pretty cool things.

1322
01:07:51,640 --> 01:07:53,520
Speaker 10: I want you know, if you're watching it, you know,

1323
01:07:53,600 --> 01:07:57,480
Speaker 10: out of bounds or after time out, plays. He runs

1324
01:07:57,480 --> 01:07:59,480
Speaker 10: some good sets. I mean there's you know, they they

1325
01:07:59,560 --> 01:08:01,960
Speaker 10: launched three and when they're hitting it, they can spread

1326
01:08:01,960 --> 01:08:06,520
Speaker 10: a lead out quickly. When they're not hitting the three,

1327
01:08:07,000 --> 01:08:10,760
Speaker 10: sometimes they have difficulty, I believe, coming up with a

1328
01:08:11,080 --> 01:08:14,080
Speaker 10: you know, a second scoring option, so it can make

1329
01:08:14,080 --> 01:08:17,360
Speaker 10: it frustrating at times. Well, set keep it's certainly better

1330
01:08:17,360 --> 01:08:17,840
Speaker 10: than the latter.

1331
01:08:17,880 --> 01:08:18,360
Speaker 11: I'll tell you that.

1332
01:08:18,439 --> 01:08:19,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, there you go.

1333
01:08:19,160 --> 01:08:19,479
Speaker 3: All right.

1334
01:08:19,520 --> 01:08:22,040
Speaker 1: Well, I keep wedging myself in there on Monday afternoons

1335
01:08:22,040 --> 01:08:24,599
Speaker 1: at WTCHR. I just hang around the back and then

1336
01:08:24,640 --> 01:08:26,200
Speaker 1: eventually they bring me in there. So I don't know

1337
01:08:26,200 --> 01:08:27,879
Speaker 1: if I'll see them Monday or not. But I appreciate

1338
01:08:27,880 --> 01:08:28,960
Speaker 1: you coming on the program.

1339
01:08:29,320 --> 01:08:32,160
Speaker 10: Well, we appreciate you, brother. You're welcome anytime.

1340
01:08:32,200 --> 01:08:33,000
Speaker 2: Man appreciate it.

1341
01:08:33,040 --> 01:08:35,599
Speaker 1: Sean ask joining us from WTHR Channel thirteen, they will

1342
01:08:35,640 --> 01:08:37,639
Speaker 1: have all of your coverage. By the way, speaking a coverage,

1343
01:08:37,680 --> 01:08:39,600
Speaker 1: this is very cool, Eddie. Do you happen to have

1344
01:08:39,640 --> 01:08:47,439
Speaker 1: the breaking news sounder tonight if you missed it, if

1345
01:08:47,479 --> 01:08:50,759
Speaker 1: you did not listen to the historic calls of Don Fisher,

1346
01:08:51,439 --> 01:08:55,479
Speaker 1: which literally is like the perfect backdrop for you. Seven

1347
01:08:55,520 --> 01:08:59,519
Speaker 1: o'clock tonight, we will replay the Indiana Miami National Championship game.

1348
01:08:59,520 --> 01:09:03,040
Speaker 1: We will do the same on Sunday at one pm.

1349
01:09:03,160 --> 01:09:05,240
Speaker 1: Right here on this radio station. You will be able

1350
01:09:05,280 --> 01:09:10,879
Speaker 1: to hear replays of the championship game, Indiana defeating Miami

1351
01:09:11,439 --> 01:09:13,760
Speaker 1: IU Indy a big win last night, a big win,

1352
01:09:14,000 --> 01:09:16,000
Speaker 1: and they're starting to turn the corner a little bit here.

1353
01:09:16,040 --> 01:09:16,920
Speaker 2: New coach, new.

1354
01:09:16,840 --> 01:09:21,080
Speaker 1: System, but familiar voice that calls their games. Jimmy Cook

1355
01:09:21,640 --> 01:09:26,479
Speaker 1: joins us next. You know, the IU Indie Jags, certainly

1356
01:09:26,520 --> 01:09:29,559
Speaker 1: the year has not been to the expectation of what

1357
01:09:29,600 --> 01:09:31,639
Speaker 1: they would have liked, at least to this point.

1358
01:09:31,680 --> 01:09:35,479
Speaker 2: But whenever you have a new coach, new roster and.

1359
01:09:35,880 --> 01:09:38,920
Speaker 1: Bringing in a number of players from previous top you

1360
01:09:38,920 --> 01:09:41,040
Speaker 1: sell work with Churtz Signetti, with James Madison. I think

1361
01:09:41,040 --> 01:09:45,520
Speaker 1: it takes a while to really grasp and understand, especially

1362
01:09:45,560 --> 01:09:48,759
Speaker 1: from an athletics standpoint, new league, new players you're facing.

1363
01:09:48,840 --> 01:09:51,120
Speaker 1: But the Jags have won two of three here and

1364
01:09:51,160 --> 01:09:53,840
Speaker 1: have ticked it up a little bit, including winning at

1365
01:09:53,840 --> 01:09:56,160
Speaker 1: Oakland one oh three eighty five that was their most

1366
01:09:56,240 --> 01:10:00,559
Speaker 1: recent win, and then Robert Morris that they got two

1367
01:10:00,560 --> 01:10:01,000
Speaker 1: games ago.

1368
01:10:01,880 --> 01:10:03,840
Speaker 2: They dropped one in a tight game to Detroit. In

1369
01:10:03,880 --> 01:10:05,280
Speaker 2: between the two, but.

1370
01:10:05,360 --> 01:10:08,080
Speaker 1: The voice of the Jags is certainly a familiar one

1371
01:10:08,160 --> 01:10:10,880
Speaker 1: on this program, and we figured out that he has

1372
01:10:10,960 --> 01:10:12,720
Speaker 1: plenty of time to come back and join us on

1373
01:10:12,760 --> 01:10:15,240
Speaker 1: the show because he does not have any Kansas City

1374
01:10:15,320 --> 01:10:17,680
Speaker 1: chiefs here to sift through to get ready through the playoffs.

1375
01:10:18,360 --> 01:10:20,679
Speaker 1: So Jimmy Cook joins us on the Java House Peel

1376
01:10:20,760 --> 01:10:23,200
Speaker 1: and poor guest line, brother, how are you?

1377
01:10:24,040 --> 01:10:26,880
Speaker 12: I am doing wonderful, Jake. It's great to hear your voice,

1378
01:10:26,920 --> 01:10:30,000
Speaker 12: great to hear Eddie's voice. And props to whichever one

1379
01:10:30,040 --> 01:10:32,959
Speaker 12: of you had to welcome back Cotter on on the rejoinder.

1380
01:10:33,080 --> 01:10:35,120
Speaker 12: That's good stuff, good stuff all around.

1381
01:10:35,120 --> 01:10:35,639
Speaker 11: I'm dow good.

1382
01:10:35,640 --> 01:10:36,000
Speaker 3: How are you?

1383
01:10:36,560 --> 01:10:37,599
Speaker 2: I'm well. Thanks.

1384
01:10:37,840 --> 01:10:39,760
Speaker 1: You know, obviously it's been a little bit different over

1385
01:10:39,760 --> 01:10:42,000
Speaker 1: the last year or so, but I was thrilled to

1386
01:10:42,040 --> 01:10:44,200
Speaker 1: see that you're doing because I know how much for

1387
01:10:44,600 --> 01:10:47,720
Speaker 1: those that don't know. And I have said this a

1388
01:10:47,800 --> 01:10:49,960
Speaker 1: thousand times, but I'll make it one thousand and one.

1389
01:10:50,800 --> 01:10:54,240
Speaker 1: Jimmy obviously was a part of this radio show and

1390
01:10:55,160 --> 01:10:58,640
Speaker 1: was doing it for a while and then at no

1391
01:10:58,800 --> 01:11:01,400
Speaker 1: fault of Jimmy's remember at the time saying, you know

1392
01:11:01,439 --> 01:11:04,400
Speaker 1: at the time that Jimmy left here, they made some

1393
01:11:04,520 --> 01:11:08,000
Speaker 1: changes within the radio station itself strictly budgetary from a

1394
01:11:08,040 --> 01:11:11,519
Speaker 1: budgetary sense, and so at that time I wanted to

1395
01:11:11,520 --> 01:11:13,479
Speaker 1: make sure that people understood that it was nothing more

1396
01:11:13,520 --> 01:11:15,479
Speaker 1: than that. And I know how much you wanted to

1397
01:11:15,520 --> 01:11:17,840
Speaker 1: do play by play, And then the opportunity opened up

1398
01:11:17,840 --> 01:11:20,639
Speaker 1: for IU Indy, and here you are, So let's begin

1399
01:11:20,720 --> 01:11:23,120
Speaker 1: with that. From you know, you've been doing Ron Colly

1400
01:11:23,240 --> 01:11:25,639
Speaker 1: forever and now getting the chance to do Division one.

1401
01:11:25,800 --> 01:11:27,680
Speaker 1: Was there an adjustment for you? What's it been like

1402
01:11:27,720 --> 01:11:30,559
Speaker 1: for you to get to know this roster and doing

1403
01:11:30,600 --> 01:11:31,240
Speaker 1: these games.

1404
01:11:32,280 --> 01:11:35,799
Speaker 12: The biggest adjustment, I'd say, Jake, would be the ability

1405
01:11:35,840 --> 01:11:39,120
Speaker 12: to interact with players more like at the high school level.

1406
01:11:39,160 --> 01:11:42,640
Speaker 12: I always kind of distanced myself from player personnel just

1407
01:11:42,680 --> 01:11:46,759
Speaker 12: because you're talking about like thirteen to seventeen year olds,

1408
01:11:46,800 --> 01:11:49,599
Speaker 12: and would be more interactive with the coaching staff. So

1409
01:11:49,720 --> 01:11:53,720
Speaker 12: the opportunity to have more access and be able to

1410
01:11:53,760 --> 01:11:57,519
Speaker 12: have conversations and build relationships on the road with not

1411
01:11:57,560 --> 01:12:01,799
Speaker 12: just the coaches, but the team has been the biggest difference.

1412
01:12:01,880 --> 01:12:03,800
Speaker 12: Now that it's been a challenge, it's just been, you know,

1413
01:12:03,840 --> 01:12:07,559
Speaker 12: an additional kind of cool thing that we get to do.

1414
01:12:08,000 --> 01:12:10,920
Speaker 11: The biggest challenge. And I cautioned how I.

1415
01:12:10,840 --> 01:12:13,600
Speaker 12: Wanted to phrase this with you because I want to

1416
01:12:13,640 --> 01:12:16,280
Speaker 12: make it clear it's apples and orange is still to

1417
01:12:16,320 --> 01:12:20,960
Speaker 12: be certain. The pace at which Ben how Let's Jaguars play.

1418
01:12:20,960 --> 01:12:22,760
Speaker 12: And it was the same thing when he was the

1419
01:12:22,760 --> 01:12:26,000
Speaker 12: head coach at West Liberty for you know, numerous years

1420
01:12:26,000 --> 01:12:26,400
Speaker 12: and all the.

1421
01:12:26,360 --> 01:12:27,400
Speaker 11: Success that he had there.

1422
01:12:28,680 --> 01:12:30,439
Speaker 12: The only thing I can like in it too. Like

1423
01:12:30,479 --> 01:12:32,880
Speaker 12: I've joked with people, when the season's done, I don't

1424
01:12:32,920 --> 01:12:35,599
Speaker 12: know if I need to go to who's your park,

1425
01:12:35,680 --> 01:12:37,040
Speaker 12: or if I need to go to the speedway or

1426
01:12:37,080 --> 01:12:37,920
Speaker 12: just sit with you.

1427
01:12:37,840 --> 01:12:39,679
Speaker 11: For like three weeks.

1428
01:12:39,840 --> 01:12:41,800
Speaker 12: But the closest thing I can think of for the

1429
01:12:41,800 --> 01:12:45,080
Speaker 12: pace is trying to call a race or something at

1430
01:12:45,080 --> 01:12:48,000
Speaker 12: the track like or of the speedway. Like I there's

1431
01:12:48,040 --> 01:12:50,360
Speaker 12: nothing like it that I've ever seen or experienced. That

1432
01:12:50,479 --> 01:12:53,000
Speaker 12: was the biggest adjustment for me, Like you know me

1433
01:12:53,040 --> 01:12:56,160
Speaker 12: pretty well, I'm a fast talker. Even with how fast

1434
01:12:56,240 --> 01:12:58,720
Speaker 12: and how much I love high energy stuff, that was

1435
01:12:58,760 --> 01:13:01,559
Speaker 12: the biggest adjustment with just knowing how quick this team

1436
01:13:01,640 --> 01:13:04,080
Speaker 12: moves and how much action you want to cram.

1437
01:13:04,000 --> 01:13:06,480
Speaker 11: Into each detail of the radio broadcast.

1438
01:13:06,720 --> 01:13:09,080
Speaker 1: Well, so let me let me throw this at you, Jimmy,

1439
01:13:09,080 --> 01:13:11,680
Speaker 1: and tell me if this, if this makes sense what

1440
01:13:11,680 --> 01:13:13,439
Speaker 1: I'm about to say. You know, if you look at

1441
01:13:13,439 --> 01:13:16,040
Speaker 1: the Jags roster and Ben Hallett and for the like

1442
01:13:16,080 --> 01:13:19,960
Speaker 1: you said, their system is basically come down, try to

1443
01:13:19,960 --> 01:13:22,400
Speaker 1: get shots before the defense is set up, and then

1444
01:13:22,520 --> 01:13:25,880
Speaker 1: you know, basically get more field goal attempts per game

1445
01:13:25,920 --> 01:13:29,439
Speaker 1: than opponent and just furious pace, right, and that worked,

1446
01:13:29,479 --> 01:13:31,880
Speaker 1: and he brought you know, Kyler Diegostino is a guy

1447
01:13:31,880 --> 01:13:34,559
Speaker 1: that he brought over with him, if I'm not mistaken,

1448
01:13:34,800 --> 01:13:38,600
Speaker 1: and other players. So I think the implementation of the

1449
01:13:38,640 --> 01:13:41,519
Speaker 1: same system. He did the right thing in bringing guys

1450
01:13:41,520 --> 01:13:44,240
Speaker 1: from previous stop along with him, and I think it's

1451
01:13:44,280 --> 01:13:49,280
Speaker 1: important for potential future players to see that system. But

1452
01:13:50,120 --> 01:13:53,360
Speaker 1: the athleticism to be able to run that system at

1453
01:13:53,439 --> 01:13:57,559
Speaker 1: the D one Horizon League level was just slightly off

1454
01:13:57,600 --> 01:13:59,680
Speaker 1: with the players he brought over. And so you're still

1455
01:13:59,720 --> 01:14:02,160
Speaker 1: running it's the same system. You're still letting people see

1456
01:14:02,160 --> 01:14:04,880
Speaker 1: what it is. It just doesn't mean that for right

1457
01:14:04,960 --> 01:14:08,160
Speaker 1: now you're doing it perhaps even with the efficiency of

1458
01:14:08,240 --> 01:14:11,479
Speaker 1: pace that you would like from an athletics standpoint, is

1459
01:14:11,479 --> 01:14:12,839
Speaker 1: that way too nuanced?

1460
01:14:12,840 --> 01:14:16,720
Speaker 12: In observation, No, it's definitely not the only thing I

1461
01:14:16,760 --> 01:14:21,240
Speaker 12: would maybe slightly add or adjust with that is it

1462
01:14:21,320 --> 01:14:25,519
Speaker 12: took time, and I think more time than maybe the

1463
01:14:25,560 --> 01:14:28,960
Speaker 12: staff in personnel thought initially to get up to D

1464
01:14:29,040 --> 01:14:31,479
Speaker 12: one speed. But now I feel like they're rounding into

1465
01:14:31,520 --> 01:14:33,840
Speaker 12: that form. Whereas had you asked me a month ago,

1466
01:14:33,880 --> 01:14:36,520
Speaker 12: I would tell you, you know, maybe some of the

1467
01:14:36,560 --> 01:14:40,080
Speaker 12: players that came over from the Division two ranks you

1468
01:14:40,080 --> 01:14:44,200
Speaker 12: mentioned the Augustino Finnwoodward another one one of their bigs,

1469
01:14:44,240 --> 01:14:47,799
Speaker 12: that maybe they were still adjusting and having growing pains

1470
01:14:47,800 --> 01:14:50,640
Speaker 12: to D one. But now here we are three or

1471
01:14:50,640 --> 01:14:54,040
Speaker 12: four weeks later, and you can see everybody, regardless if

1472
01:14:54,080 --> 01:14:56,920
Speaker 12: you were a Division one transfer that is playing in

1473
01:14:56,920 --> 01:14:58,800
Speaker 12: the system for the first time, or you're one of

1474
01:14:58,840 --> 01:15:01,960
Speaker 12: the four West Liberty trans that know the system at

1475
01:15:02,000 --> 01:15:04,920
Speaker 12: the D two level, everybody's kind of rounding that corner.

1476
01:15:04,960 --> 01:15:07,519
Speaker 12: But but yeah, the best way I explain it, and this

1477
01:15:07,640 --> 01:15:10,040
Speaker 12: is just from my observation, I'm sure Coach Hollett would

1478
01:15:10,160 --> 01:15:13,599
Speaker 12: you tell you a far more in depth explanation on it.

1479
01:15:13,600 --> 01:15:17,400
Speaker 12: It's everything you described, But if you remember the VCU

1480
01:15:17,520 --> 01:15:20,160
Speaker 12: teams of the twenty tens with Shaka smart the way

1481
01:15:20,200 --> 01:15:23,160
Speaker 12: they press finds that by ten and that's what this

1482
01:15:23,240 --> 01:15:25,720
Speaker 12: team does in terms of for forty minutes, they make

1483
01:15:25,760 --> 01:15:27,920
Speaker 12: a shot and right before it's even through the net,

1484
01:15:27,960 --> 01:15:31,439
Speaker 12: they're already in their press set, trapping you, constantly forcing

1485
01:15:31,479 --> 01:15:33,680
Speaker 12: you to in the tough spots, and then running in

1486
01:15:33,720 --> 01:15:37,439
Speaker 12: transition and out shooting their opponents and not just chucking up,

1487
01:15:37,560 --> 01:15:40,439
Speaker 12: you know, stuff from the parking lot. Taking high volume,

1488
01:15:40,520 --> 01:15:43,240
Speaker 12: high efficient shooting, which you finally saw last night. I

1489
01:15:43,280 --> 01:15:46,200
Speaker 12: mean they leave the country in shots per game. They

1490
01:15:46,200 --> 01:15:49,680
Speaker 12: get up seventy five against Oakland and they hit it

1491
01:15:49,720 --> 01:15:53,480
Speaker 12: a sixty percent clip. Now that type of mark not sustainable,

1492
01:15:53,800 --> 01:15:56,799
Speaker 12: but that's more what you're used to from Ben Hallett

1493
01:15:56,840 --> 01:16:00,080
Speaker 12: teams is high efficient shooting nights on high by a

1494
01:16:00,200 --> 01:16:00,800
Speaker 12: human sempts.

1495
01:16:01,120 --> 01:16:03,240
Speaker 2: Has it been simply a process?

1496
01:16:03,360 --> 01:16:06,840
Speaker 1: Jimmy Jimmy Cook is the guest Joba House appeeling poor

1497
01:16:07,439 --> 01:16:10,160
Speaker 1: guest line. It kind of feels weird to say your guest, right,

1498
01:16:10,200 --> 01:16:12,679
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, it's it's like when your brother

1499
01:16:12,720 --> 01:16:14,080
Speaker 1: comes over to the house and you know he's a

1500
01:16:14,120 --> 01:16:14,639
Speaker 1: guest of the house.

1501
01:16:14,640 --> 01:16:16,760
Speaker 2: Well not really, but but nonetheless I think I.

1502
01:16:16,920 --> 01:16:19,040
Speaker 12: Think I still have a company title somewhere.

1503
01:16:19,160 --> 01:16:22,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, well you're still the you're the president

1504
01:16:22,320 --> 01:16:23,719
Speaker 1: emeritus of quarrying Company.

1505
01:16:23,760 --> 01:16:25,360
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, I mean that that's that carries

1506
01:16:25,400 --> 01:16:26,160
Speaker 2: a little clout there.

1507
01:16:27,360 --> 01:16:32,200
Speaker 1: Has it been a matter of getting everyone to just

1508
01:16:32,320 --> 01:16:33,479
Speaker 1: kind of learn the system?

1509
01:16:33,680 --> 01:16:35,160
Speaker 2: Is that why this has taken a while?

1510
01:16:35,160 --> 01:16:37,360
Speaker 1: Because it does look like they are a different team

1511
01:16:37,800 --> 01:16:40,280
Speaker 1: than they were, say six weeks ago. Has it and

1512
01:16:40,400 --> 01:16:42,559
Speaker 1: some of those guys are familiar I realized? But is

1513
01:16:42,560 --> 01:16:45,400
Speaker 1: it an elaborate system that takes a while to figure

1514
01:16:45,400 --> 01:16:46,600
Speaker 1: out for players?

1515
01:16:47,280 --> 01:16:47,479
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1516
01:16:47,560 --> 01:16:50,160
Speaker 11: I mean it takes a certain.

1517
01:16:49,880 --> 01:16:53,280
Speaker 12: Level of growth and understanding that I think had to

1518
01:16:53,320 --> 01:16:56,080
Speaker 12: be rushed and put to a two hundred, you know,

1519
01:16:56,200 --> 01:16:59,800
Speaker 12: mile per hour speed when you're taking a job in June.

1520
01:17:00,120 --> 01:17:03,360
Speaker 12: You don't have a full scale recruiting cycle to go through,

1521
01:17:03,400 --> 01:17:08,200
Speaker 12: a full scale transfer portal cycle to get through to

1522
01:17:08,680 --> 01:17:10,960
Speaker 12: try to piece together a roster, and so you have

1523
01:17:11,040 --> 01:17:14,760
Speaker 12: to do it instead at breakneck speed because that's just

1524
01:17:14,800 --> 01:17:18,600
Speaker 12: how fast things are moving. And that's why it was

1525
01:17:18,640 --> 01:17:23,120
Speaker 12: so important to have West Liberty players that understand it

1526
01:17:23,200 --> 01:17:27,679
Speaker 12: to help not necessarily be player coaches, but explain to guys,

1527
01:17:27,720 --> 01:17:30,120
Speaker 12: oh no, this isn't just a five minute thing. This

1528
01:17:30,240 --> 01:17:33,880
Speaker 12: is a full forty minute expectation, and it also takes

1529
01:17:33,880 --> 01:17:37,080
Speaker 12: a lot of and Jacob mean, I'm not the best

1530
01:17:37,080 --> 01:17:39,479
Speaker 12: at this in general, but it takes a lot of

1531
01:17:39,960 --> 01:17:42,280
Speaker 12: sacrifice to be able to play in this system like it.

1532
01:17:42,439 --> 01:17:46,120
Speaker 12: Just because you're a starter doesn't mean what it would

1533
01:17:46,800 --> 01:17:50,000
Speaker 12: say at at Oakland or say at you know, Robert

1534
01:17:50,040 --> 01:17:53,080
Speaker 12: Morris or Indiana or Michigan State wherever. It doesn't mean

1535
01:17:53,120 --> 01:17:56,479
Speaker 12: the same thing in a Coachallett system because they're constantly

1536
01:17:56,560 --> 01:17:59,280
Speaker 12: platoon swapping guys and just because you might be off

1537
01:17:59,360 --> 01:18:01,519
Speaker 12: the bench doesn't mean you might not be playing thirty

1538
01:18:01,520 --> 01:18:04,320
Speaker 12: five minutes tonight if you're excelling and if you're doing well.

1539
01:18:04,640 --> 01:18:07,120
Speaker 11: And so it takes a.

1540
01:18:06,520 --> 01:18:09,120
Speaker 12: Level of sacrifice and willings to say I'm going to

1541
01:18:09,160 --> 01:18:11,840
Speaker 12: put the team above myself and give my all to

1542
01:18:11,920 --> 01:18:15,960
Speaker 12: this process. And I think that, combined with learning where

1543
01:18:16,000 --> 01:18:17,639
Speaker 12: you need to be in all the different sets they

1544
01:18:17,680 --> 01:18:20,839
Speaker 12: operate with, has taken some time. But as you've mentioned,

1545
01:18:21,000 --> 01:18:23,000
Speaker 12: they've won two of the last three. I think everybody

1546
01:18:23,000 --> 01:18:26,120
Speaker 12: would tell you probably should be three three in a row.

1547
01:18:26,160 --> 01:18:26,400
Speaker 8: Now.

1548
01:18:26,720 --> 01:18:27,759
Speaker 2: They had their worst.

1549
01:18:27,560 --> 01:18:29,840
Speaker 12: Shooting nine of the season, or seeing their second worst

1550
01:18:29,840 --> 01:18:31,839
Speaker 12: shoot nine of the season and that loss to Detroit.

1551
01:18:31,880 --> 01:18:34,639
Speaker 12: In between the two victories, they just hit two more threes.

1552
01:18:34,720 --> 01:18:37,720
Speaker 12: There they're on a three game winning streak and really

1553
01:18:37,760 --> 01:18:40,240
Speaker 12: feeling good about themselves. But now you're winners of two

1554
01:18:40,280 --> 01:18:42,480
Speaker 12: of your last three, five of your final.

1555
01:18:42,280 --> 01:18:43,679
Speaker 11: Nine games are going to be at home.

1556
01:18:44,160 --> 01:18:46,080
Speaker 12: You're only two back on the lost side of tenth

1557
01:18:46,160 --> 01:18:49,800
Speaker 12: place Youngstown State. That's significant because if you refrog them,

1558
01:18:49,840 --> 01:18:53,000
Speaker 12: you're hosting the first round game of the Horizoning Tournament

1559
01:18:53,040 --> 01:18:54,840
Speaker 12: here in a couple of weeks, and that would be

1560
01:18:54,880 --> 01:18:57,160
Speaker 12: big to get the home crowd back in the jungle

1561
01:18:57,640 --> 01:19:01,439
Speaker 12: behind this team. So your question kind of long winded way.

1562
01:19:01,600 --> 01:19:05,839
Speaker 12: There are complications to it of needing time to develop

1563
01:19:05,840 --> 01:19:08,599
Speaker 12: and learn it that we're impacted by the short turnaround

1564
01:19:08,680 --> 01:19:11,240
Speaker 12: time from job acceptance to now. But I think you're

1565
01:19:11,280 --> 01:19:13,720
Speaker 12: finally starting to see the fruits of that labor over

1566
01:19:13,760 --> 01:19:14,680
Speaker 12: the last three weeks or.

1567
01:19:14,680 --> 01:19:18,280
Speaker 4: So, Jimmy, with IU Indy making the changes as you made,

1568
01:19:18,320 --> 01:19:21,160
Speaker 4: they typically go five in, five out. I know you

1569
01:19:21,200 --> 01:19:24,320
Speaker 4: don't really watch hockey, so to kind of explain it

1570
01:19:24,320 --> 01:19:26,320
Speaker 4: to you, in hockey, they have these different lines which

1571
01:19:26,360 --> 01:19:28,320
Speaker 4: are different lineups, so like there's one, two, three, and

1572
01:19:28,360 --> 01:19:31,280
Speaker 4: four when you're doing this for IU Indy on the radio,

1573
01:19:31,400 --> 01:19:33,559
Speaker 4: are you saying that the second line is in for

1574
01:19:33,960 --> 01:19:35,200
Speaker 4: the jazz or how are you doing this?

1575
01:19:35,439 --> 01:19:36,360
Speaker 2: Shift change right?

1576
01:19:36,600 --> 01:19:37,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, live jazz.

1577
01:19:37,520 --> 01:19:40,679
Speaker 12: Yeah, Yeah, that's platoon slop shift change.

1578
01:19:40,720 --> 01:19:42,519
Speaker 11: Those those are kind of kind of phrase I'm thrown

1579
01:19:42,560 --> 01:19:42,760
Speaker 11: out there.

1580
01:19:42,760 --> 01:19:44,280
Speaker 4: Any Yeah, that's a great point.

1581
01:19:44,320 --> 01:19:46,800
Speaker 12: I mean, if you're in the hockey lexicon, that's a

1582
01:19:46,840 --> 01:19:49,559
Speaker 12: lot like what they like to do. They're constantly throwing

1583
01:19:49,600 --> 01:19:53,120
Speaker 12: in bodies. They'll make changes. If coach Hallett sees something

1584
01:19:53,160 --> 01:19:55,600
Speaker 12: not being run the right way, he's not afraid to

1585
01:19:55,720 --> 01:19:56,639
Speaker 12: make a quick change.

1586
01:19:56,760 --> 01:19:57,559
Speaker 11: Somebody might have been on.

1587
01:19:57,479 --> 01:19:59,120
Speaker 12: The bench for five seconds, all of a sudden they're

1588
01:19:59,120 --> 01:20:01,760
Speaker 12: back in because someone's not running things the right way.

1589
01:20:01,800 --> 01:20:06,280
Speaker 12: But it's all about accountability and collectiveness of accepting and

1590
01:20:06,400 --> 01:20:06,880
Speaker 12: you see this.

1591
01:20:06,840 --> 01:20:08,560
Speaker 11: In their film sessions accepting.

1592
01:20:08,200 --> 01:20:11,280
Speaker 12: Where errors are made, learning from them and then not

1593
01:20:11,400 --> 01:20:14,000
Speaker 12: making the same mistake again. But yeah, that's that's a

1594
01:20:14,000 --> 01:20:15,599
Speaker 12: great way to put it. It's a platoon slop, it's

1595
01:20:15,600 --> 01:20:18,680
Speaker 12: a line change. That's what you're seeing from the Jaguars.

1596
01:20:19,320 --> 01:20:22,760
Speaker 1: Jimmy, when you were a student at IU, how many

1597
01:20:22,800 --> 01:20:25,320
Speaker 1: football games did they win and how many did you attend?

1598
01:20:28,439 --> 01:20:30,400
Speaker 12: I don't have a number on the win total, which

1599
01:20:30,479 --> 01:20:33,360
Speaker 12: kind of answers the second half of that as well, Jake,

1600
01:20:33,160 --> 01:20:36,840
Speaker 12: my class was still amongst those where and obviously in

1601
01:20:36,840 --> 01:20:39,920
Speaker 12: the case now in the SCNETI era, football tickets were

1602
01:20:40,160 --> 01:20:42,720
Speaker 12: the hey, please take these, because you have to take

1603
01:20:42,720 --> 01:20:45,800
Speaker 12: them in order to go to basketball games. I would

1604
01:20:45,800 --> 01:20:48,680
Speaker 12: put as embarrassed now as I am to say this,

1605
01:20:48,800 --> 01:20:53,280
Speaker 12: I would probably put it at when were you there

1606
01:20:53,360 --> 01:20:55,400
Speaker 12: under twenty under under twenty games?

1607
01:20:55,439 --> 01:20:58,240
Speaker 11: I was there in the during the Kevin Wilson era.

1608
01:20:58,320 --> 01:21:01,600
Speaker 2: Primarily listen, I looked this up last night. Are you

1609
01:21:01,680 --> 01:21:02,240
Speaker 2: ready for this?

1610
01:21:03,000 --> 01:21:03,240
Speaker 4: Sure?

1611
01:21:04,560 --> 01:21:07,160
Speaker 2: Prior to nineteen I believe this is correct.

1612
01:21:07,240 --> 01:21:09,680
Speaker 1: Prior to the Rose bull appearance in nineteen sixty seven,

1613
01:21:09,720 --> 01:21:12,519
Speaker 1: which was forever ago, I get that right. Prior to that,

1614
01:21:12,520 --> 01:21:14,639
Speaker 1: there would have only been like two classes at Indiana

1615
01:21:14,720 --> 01:21:17,400
Speaker 1: University that would have seen sixteen wins in their four years.

1616
01:21:17,640 --> 01:21:21,759
Speaker 1: They won sixteen games this year right now. Once Valerie

1617
01:21:21,800 --> 01:21:23,320
Speaker 1: got there, you know, then you had a lot of

1618
01:21:23,400 --> 01:21:24,960
Speaker 1: years when they were eight. You know, they'd win eight,

1619
01:21:25,000 --> 01:21:26,960
Speaker 1: six and four, you know that kind of thing. But okay,

1620
01:21:27,000 --> 01:21:28,479
Speaker 1: so what years did you say, Jimmy?

1621
01:21:29,400 --> 01:21:32,639
Speaker 12: Yeah, so it would have been twenty thirteen to winner

1622
01:21:32,680 --> 01:21:33,599
Speaker 12: of twenty seventeen.

1623
01:21:33,680 --> 01:21:35,840
Speaker 11: So primarily the Kevin Wolfson era was.

1624
01:21:36,360 --> 01:21:36,800
Speaker 2: I was there.

1625
01:21:36,920 --> 01:21:39,920
Speaker 1: Okay, So we'll go thirteen, fourteen, fifteen sixteen, Eddie, what's

1626
01:21:39,920 --> 01:21:40,720
Speaker 1: the total number there?

1627
01:21:41,120 --> 01:21:45,520
Speaker 4: Fourteen, fifteen sixteen. That would have been sixteen total wins,

1628
01:21:46,200 --> 01:21:48,720
Speaker 4: sixteen total in the four years he was there, and

1629
01:21:48,760 --> 01:21:50,720
Speaker 4: if you include thirteen then it's twenty one.

1630
01:21:51,439 --> 01:21:54,080
Speaker 2: Okay, So you saw twenty one wins near four years. Okay.

1631
01:21:54,120 --> 01:21:57,880
Speaker 1: Now look up mine, Eddie, which would be a little

1632
01:21:57,920 --> 01:22:01,719
Speaker 1: bit better, I think, but mine would be the ninety

1633
01:22:01,720 --> 01:22:08,559
Speaker 1: three season, ninety four season, ninety five season. Sixteen total, yes, okay,

1634
01:22:08,640 --> 01:22:10,439
Speaker 1: and they won sixteen this year.

1635
01:22:10,560 --> 01:22:12,760
Speaker 2: Your overall thoughts, Jimmy on a you winning.

1636
01:22:12,520 --> 01:22:16,000
Speaker 11: It, I mean for the cook house.

1637
01:22:16,120 --> 01:22:18,200
Speaker 12: I'll give a shout out to my wife, Haley, because

1638
01:22:18,200 --> 01:22:21,160
Speaker 12: she's a day one IU football fan, has been to

1639
01:22:21,439 --> 01:22:24,800
Speaker 12: little Kid, and that's always been her biggest passion in

1640
01:22:24,840 --> 01:22:25,960
Speaker 12: sports outside.

1641
01:22:25,600 --> 01:22:26,320
Speaker 4: Of women's soccer.

1642
01:22:26,439 --> 01:22:29,280
Speaker 12: So for us as a whole, I mean incredible to

1643
01:22:29,360 --> 01:22:32,120
Speaker 12: see it, Like Jake, You've retweeted.

1644
01:22:31,640 --> 01:22:32,120
Speaker 3: A ton of it.

1645
01:22:32,400 --> 01:22:33,720
Speaker 12: And by the way, a shout out to your Wine

1646
01:22:33,760 --> 01:22:35,880
Speaker 12: Eye Indiana campaign. I was really glad to see that,

1647
01:22:36,520 --> 01:22:38,280
Speaker 12: you know, T shirts out and everything over By the.

1648
01:22:38,280 --> 01:22:40,400
Speaker 2: Way, By the way, Jimmy, do you have the breaking

1649
01:22:40,439 --> 01:22:49,400
Speaker 2: news sounder Eddie, I am. I was thrilled by this.

1650
01:22:49,439 --> 01:22:51,519
Speaker 1: By the way, there was a sports merchandising company that

1651
01:22:51,600 --> 01:22:54,400
Speaker 1: was making one at Indiana sweatshirts and T shirts that

1652
01:22:54,479 --> 01:22:57,479
Speaker 1: were not part of my trademark, and once I brought

1653
01:22:57,479 --> 01:22:59,519
Speaker 1: it to their attention, they could not have been better

1654
01:22:59,560 --> 01:23:02,559
Speaker 1: about it. And those that includes those that are sold

1655
01:23:02,600 --> 01:23:04,840
Speaker 1: at the airport and as well rally House where John's

1656
01:23:04,840 --> 01:23:08,200
Speaker 1: going to be tomorrow, that is now within the umbrella.

1657
01:23:08,320 --> 01:23:10,000
Speaker 2: So yes, thank you for mentioning that's awesome.

1658
01:23:10,120 --> 01:23:11,439
Speaker 11: No, of course, no call him.

1659
01:23:11,720 --> 01:23:14,000
Speaker 12: I'm sure you were, and it was. It was very

1660
01:23:14,000 --> 01:23:17,880
Speaker 12: cool to see from AFAR. So look, I've been fully

1661
01:23:17,880 --> 01:23:19,360
Speaker 12: transparent with you guys throughout.

1662
01:23:19,160 --> 01:23:20,240
Speaker 2: The entirety I've known you.

1663
01:23:20,920 --> 01:23:24,839
Speaker 12: I am beyond ecstatic for my all matter for AU football.

1664
01:23:24,960 --> 01:23:28,920
Speaker 12: Kurt Signetti delivered on every single promise that he said

1665
01:23:28,960 --> 01:23:31,200
Speaker 12: he was going to do. Uh from the I win

1666
01:23:31,320 --> 01:23:33,960
Speaker 12: Google Me moment uh to going on the Big Ten

1667
01:23:34,400 --> 01:23:39,000
Speaker 12: Championship stage the year prior to that run. Uh, not

1668
01:23:39,120 --> 01:23:41,479
Speaker 12: this year's run, the last year's run and saying we're

1669
01:23:41,479 --> 01:23:43,000
Speaker 12: gonna be back here and we're gonna we're gonna play

1670
01:23:43,040 --> 01:23:45,519
Speaker 12: here like we expect to win here. And he did everything,

1671
01:23:45,720 --> 01:23:50,200
Speaker 12: and it is the quintessential American sports story. I feel

1672
01:23:50,200 --> 01:23:52,400
Speaker 12: like it's one of the best Cinderella, even though they

1673
01:23:52,439 --> 01:23:54,759
Speaker 12: won't categorize himself as that because they were one seed.

1674
01:23:54,840 --> 01:23:58,639
Speaker 12: But it's up there with any astronomical run that you're

1675
01:23:58,640 --> 01:24:01,360
Speaker 12: going to find in sports. But I will tell you

1676
01:24:01,520 --> 01:24:04,280
Speaker 12: I can only claim it as an alum. My wife

1677
01:24:04,400 --> 01:24:06,960
Speaker 12: can claim it as a diehard fan. She's been there

1678
01:24:07,040 --> 01:24:09,080
Speaker 12: from the very beginning. Jake, I know that you have

1679
01:24:09,120 --> 01:24:12,360
Speaker 12: a fucinity for IU football, as does Eddie. I can't

1680
01:24:12,400 --> 01:24:14,120
Speaker 12: sit here and claim and say that you know I

1681
01:24:14,160 --> 01:24:16,160
Speaker 12: was behind them in the trenches every step of the way.

1682
01:24:16,800 --> 01:24:18,800
Speaker 12: But I'm a proud alum like many that have gone

1683
01:24:18,800 --> 01:24:21,320
Speaker 12: through Bloomington, that have been the Memorial Stadium and have

1684
01:24:21,760 --> 01:24:22,719
Speaker 12: seen them on this run.

1685
01:24:22,920 --> 01:24:25,320
Speaker 1: I have a T shirt of me with four buddies

1686
01:24:25,360 --> 01:24:27,800
Speaker 1: in Red River Gorge in nineteen ninety seven after a

1687
01:24:27,800 --> 01:24:30,760
Speaker 1: thirteen mile hike through the Daniel Boone National Forest, and

1688
01:24:30,800 --> 01:24:33,599
Speaker 1: I'm wearing an Indiana football T shirt. I'm like man

1689
01:24:33,640 --> 01:24:35,519
Speaker 1: if I could just find that picture is proof, right,

1690
01:24:35,640 --> 01:24:37,680
Speaker 1: so I can prove it like, hey, no, I was

1691
01:24:37,720 --> 01:24:42,320
Speaker 1: at lastly, did the Indiana football run allow you to

1692
01:24:42,400 --> 01:24:45,360
Speaker 1: do family chili dinners since you have no Chiefs games

1693
01:24:45,400 --> 01:24:46,160
Speaker 1: by which to do that.

1694
01:24:47,920 --> 01:24:49,120
Speaker 11: No, not as much.

1695
01:24:50,360 --> 01:24:52,439
Speaker 12: But we did get to, you know, have our usual

1696
01:24:52,479 --> 01:24:54,680
Speaker 12: season end stuff. I appreciate that. Shout out to my

1697
01:24:54,720 --> 01:24:59,000
Speaker 12: brother Bob, the Chilian Chiefs and everything there. So No,

1698
01:24:59,040 --> 01:25:01,840
Speaker 12: definitely more pliet unusual in the January to February, but

1699
01:25:02,360 --> 01:25:05,920
Speaker 12: different family gatherings stuff stoles my wife's family and getting

1700
01:25:05,960 --> 01:25:10,519
Speaker 12: to enjoy the entire Indiana Hoosiers run to the undefeated

1701
01:25:10,560 --> 01:25:11,719
Speaker 12: season in a national title.

1702
01:25:12,439 --> 01:25:13,639
Speaker 2: But no, Jake, it's been.

1703
01:25:15,000 --> 01:25:18,439
Speaker 12: I guess a layer and a ray of sunshine with

1704
01:25:18,560 --> 01:25:20,000
Speaker 12: the Chiefs not being there.

1705
01:25:19,880 --> 01:25:20,559
Speaker 11: For me this year.

1706
01:25:20,640 --> 01:25:23,640
Speaker 1: In conclusion for Jimmy Cook since he was this was

1707
01:25:23,680 --> 01:25:26,720
Speaker 1: actually he was the brain child behind all of this.

1708
01:25:26,840 --> 01:25:30,639
Speaker 1: Do you have the tenfoil hat theory music? If you could, please, Eddie?

1709
01:25:30,720 --> 01:25:34,519
Speaker 1: This was originally Jimmy's thing anyway, the tinfoil hatkins.

1710
01:25:34,520 --> 01:25:35,439
Speaker 2: But there we go.

1711
01:25:35,920 --> 01:25:40,439
Speaker 1: Someone asked Rock which is the AI arm of Elon Musk.

1712
01:25:40,520 --> 01:25:46,479
Speaker 1: Someone asked Rock Roc please put a photo of Josh

1713
01:25:46,520 --> 01:25:49,280
Speaker 1: Allen in the uniform of the team with which he

1714
01:25:49,320 --> 01:25:51,840
Speaker 1: will win a Super Bowl, and it came back with

1715
01:25:51,960 --> 01:25:55,240
Speaker 1: Josh Allen in a Kansas City Chiefs uniform.

1716
01:25:56,439 --> 01:25:58,840
Speaker 4: There you go, I did see that.

1717
01:25:59,560 --> 01:26:01,880
Speaker 12: I think some of my favorite comments on that front,

1718
01:26:01,880 --> 01:26:03,120
Speaker 12: where every team.

1719
01:26:02,960 --> 01:26:04,200
Speaker 2: Needs a backup qv Jakes.

1720
01:26:04,280 --> 01:26:06,160
Speaker 11: Maybe there's maybe there's a room in there.

1721
01:26:06,280 --> 01:26:08,960
Speaker 1: That may well be it. But you know what, Hey,

1722
01:26:09,000 --> 01:26:10,280
Speaker 1: Gardner Minshew was there.

1723
01:26:10,320 --> 01:26:10,639
Speaker 2: I think.

1724
01:26:10,880 --> 01:26:12,439
Speaker 1: Didn't they have Carson Wentz for a while as a

1725
01:26:12,479 --> 01:26:13,040
Speaker 1: backup too?

1726
01:26:13,040 --> 01:26:15,560
Speaker 11: They did have Carson Wentz okay.

1727
01:26:14,479 --> 01:26:17,280
Speaker 1: So maybe they can get him after the coltap Josh Allen.

1728
01:26:17,320 --> 01:26:18,799
Speaker 1: Maybe that's what we're looking at.

1729
01:26:18,640 --> 01:26:21,439
Speaker 12: Here, or maybe or maybe Daniel Jones headed to Kansas

1730
01:26:21,439 --> 01:26:23,600
Speaker 12: City in five years.

1731
01:26:22,400 --> 01:26:24,519
Speaker 2: That's right, that's exactly right.

1732
01:26:24,640 --> 01:26:26,799
Speaker 1: All right, coming up, I believe it's Sunday, two o'clock

1733
01:26:26,880 --> 01:26:28,200
Speaker 1: out at the Jungle.

1734
01:26:27,880 --> 01:26:29,040
Speaker 2: For IU ind correct.

1735
01:26:29,880 --> 01:26:33,599
Speaker 11: Yes, it is pretty fort Wayne comes into town. If

1736
01:26:33,640 --> 01:26:35,880
Speaker 11: you grew up a Pacers fan, if you.

1737
01:26:35,800 --> 01:26:38,640
Speaker 12: Grew up a fan of fast paced basketball, and you

1738
01:26:38,800 --> 01:26:41,640
Speaker 12: enjoy an intimate atmosphere the Jungle provides, come out and

1739
01:26:41,640 --> 01:26:43,920
Speaker 12: support the Jags. This is as good of a ticket

1740
01:26:43,920 --> 01:26:45,479
Speaker 12: as you're going to find in town. Like I said,

1741
01:26:45,520 --> 01:26:47,240
Speaker 12: five of the final nine games are at home.

1742
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Speaker 11: They could use your report.

1743
01:26:48,680 --> 01:26:51,679
Speaker 12: And I promise you've been Holle and his team forty

1744
01:26:51,720 --> 01:26:53,599
Speaker 12: minutes of your time. You're going to be a fan

1745
01:26:53,640 --> 01:26:55,800
Speaker 12: of this team for life because of how fun they

1746
01:26:55,800 --> 01:26:58,960
Speaker 12: are to watch. An action that's Sunday two o'clock in

1747
01:26:59,040 --> 01:27:02,040
Speaker 12: the Jungle as well against Pretty fort Wayne.

1748
01:27:02,120 --> 01:27:03,080
Speaker 2: Appreciate it, Jimmy.

1749
01:27:03,120 --> 01:27:06,120
Speaker 1: And by the way, it is Country Music Day, I believe,

1750
01:27:06,240 --> 01:27:09,599
Speaker 1: on Sunday, and they're giving out foam cowboy helps, which

1751
01:27:09,640 --> 01:27:10,360
Speaker 1: is kind of fun.

1752
01:27:10,240 --> 01:27:13,400
Speaker 12: Right yep, So absolutely grab yours, grab your's the jungle.

1753
01:27:13,479 --> 01:27:15,639
Speaker 12: Thank you guys for having me and it's great talking both.

1754
01:27:15,680 --> 01:27:17,720
Speaker 2: Appreciate it. Jimmy Cook joining us on the show. Eddie

1755
01:27:17,920 --> 01:27:20,360
Speaker 2: will let you pick your favorite country music song.

1756
01:27:20,400 --> 01:27:23,000
Speaker 1: On the other side, since it's Country Music Day coming

1757
01:27:23,040 --> 01:27:25,800
Speaker 1: up Sunday for the Jags, Tony East gonna join us

1758
01:27:25,800 --> 01:27:28,040
Speaker 1: coming up top of the hour. Okay, a couple of

1759
01:27:28,080 --> 01:27:34,240
Speaker 1: news and notes here first later on this radio station.

1760
01:27:34,439 --> 01:27:37,240
Speaker 1: Instant replay coming up tonight at six o'clock. But speaking

1761
01:27:37,280 --> 01:27:39,759
Speaker 1: of instant replays, and I know a lot of people

1762
01:27:39,840 --> 01:27:41,200
Speaker 1: ask me about this.

1763
01:27:41,960 --> 01:27:43,560
Speaker 2: And this is very cool that We're going to do

1764
01:27:43,600 --> 01:27:44,439
Speaker 2: this not once, but.

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01:27:44,479 --> 01:27:48,559
Speaker 1: Twice, and that is tonight at seven o'clock. It will

1766
01:27:48,560 --> 01:27:52,800
Speaker 1: be a replay of the National Championship game between Indiana

1767
01:27:52,920 --> 01:27:59,880
Speaker 1: and Miami. Don Fisher's call from beginning to end, Sit back,

1768
01:28:00,880 --> 01:28:03,920
Speaker 1: enjoy yourself, surf side, or whatever it is you might enjoy,

1769
01:28:04,200 --> 01:28:07,720
Speaker 1: Get a Chicago's pizza, Say to yourself. I'm just going

1770
01:28:07,760 --> 01:28:11,040
Speaker 1: to tune in and listen to the broadcast and enjoy

1771
01:28:11,040 --> 01:28:14,559
Speaker 1: it again, stress free this time. If you miss that,

1772
01:28:14,760 --> 01:28:17,560
Speaker 1: no worries, you can listen to it again on Sunday

1773
01:28:17,680 --> 01:28:19,599
Speaker 1: at one pm.

1774
01:28:19,400 --> 01:28:20,719
Speaker 2: Right here on this radio station.

1775
01:28:20,840 --> 01:28:24,200
Speaker 1: We will also have coverage live on Saturday of the

1776
01:28:24,240 --> 01:28:26,880
Speaker 1: celebration down in Bloomington that will get underway at Memorial

1777
01:28:26,920 --> 01:28:30,400
Speaker 1: Stadium one o'clock and it's going to be frigid five

1778
01:28:30,680 --> 01:28:34,439
Speaker 1: below wind chills at Memorial Stadium. But I've got a

1779
01:28:34,439 --> 01:28:37,160
Speaker 1: feeling that the fifty thousand plus that are there are

1780
01:28:37,160 --> 01:28:39,800
Speaker 1: going to say that is totally fine. In order to

1781
01:28:39,840 --> 01:28:43,560
Speaker 1: see that team and lift that trophy and the celebration

1782
01:28:44,120 --> 01:28:45,840
Speaker 1: that comes with all of that. We just asked that

1783
01:28:45,880 --> 01:28:49,040
Speaker 1: you travel safely because, as Sean ash had said, Saturday

1784
01:28:49,120 --> 01:28:51,840
Speaker 1: evening into Sunday is when it's going to get a

1785
01:28:51,920 --> 01:28:54,280
Speaker 1: little bit tricky outside, and so we'll see what all

1786
01:28:54,320 --> 01:29:01,080
Speaker 1: of that means. Also, Bernanda Mendoza Tonight, Jimmy as I understand,

1787
01:29:01,120 --> 01:29:04,679
Speaker 1: it will be on Jimmy Fallon tonight. So a lot

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01:29:04,760 --> 01:29:06,880
Speaker 1: going on in that regard joining us down in the

1789
01:29:06,960 --> 01:29:09,360
Speaker 1: Java House peeling poor guest line. Java House dot com

1790
01:29:09,439 --> 01:29:11,760
Speaker 1: is the website, and you know you've heard me mention

1791
01:29:11,840 --> 01:29:16,200
Speaker 1: it before. The amazingly smooth Columbian coffee. They have Ethiopian

1792
01:29:16,200 --> 01:29:19,360
Speaker 1: coffee as well. They have Sumatra coffee. They've got teas

1793
01:29:19,479 --> 01:29:21,960
Speaker 1: and a number of varieties, whether you're talking Black, Ta,

1794
01:29:22,000 --> 01:29:26,040
Speaker 1: Peacht whatever it might be. The Wrangler Energy drink and

1795
01:29:26,120 --> 01:29:29,160
Speaker 1: the Liquid Science hydration drink, all of them very easy pods.

1796
01:29:29,200 --> 01:29:31,679
Speaker 1: You peel them off, eight ounces of water, you pour

1797
01:29:31,680 --> 01:29:35,519
Speaker 1: it in and instantly beverage. Tony East is a fan

1798
01:29:35,600 --> 01:29:37,200
Speaker 1: of the way that that all works, and he joins

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Speaker 1: us now on the guest line. Of course, Forbes locked

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01:29:40,200 --> 01:29:43,160
Speaker 1: on pacers, talking about the pacers who dropped one last

1801
01:29:43,240 --> 01:29:45,120
Speaker 1: night to the Boston Celtics.

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01:29:45,120 --> 01:29:45,840
Speaker 2: Tony, how are you.

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01:29:46,680 --> 01:29:49,000
Speaker 13: I'm happy to be here and not sound like Al.

1804
01:29:49,080 --> 01:29:51,719
Speaker 4: And his gang of chunks. So that's an exciting update.

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01:29:52,520 --> 01:29:56,800
Speaker 1: You just jinxed yourself. You realize that, right, this is

1806
01:29:56,840 --> 01:29:59,200
Speaker 1: a real test. Sounded like you might have been consuming

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01:29:59,200 --> 01:30:01,679
Speaker 1: a beverage as you started out there. By any chances

1808
01:30:01,680 --> 01:30:03,360
Speaker 1: it one that was made through the sound of event,

1809
01:30:03,800 --> 01:30:05,880
Speaker 1: just putting a pod right there into the water.

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01:30:06,479 --> 01:30:08,760
Speaker 13: I do have a coffee in my hand. Yes, it's

1811
01:30:08,760 --> 01:30:10,320
Speaker 13: actually gone. That was the last tips.

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01:30:10,360 --> 01:30:12,479
Speaker 2: Well, we'll get you some more Java house. That's what

1813
01:30:12,520 --> 01:30:13,439
Speaker 2: we need to do, Tony.

1814
01:30:13,720 --> 01:30:15,000
Speaker 4: Uh it is Java House.

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01:30:15,280 --> 01:30:16,960
Speaker 2: Great, love it. I absolutely love that.

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01:30:17,040 --> 01:30:20,559
Speaker 1: Okay, let's begin with this kind of the weekly chat.

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01:30:20,640 --> 01:30:24,280
Speaker 1: I guess I think we now know where things stand.

1818
01:30:24,680 --> 01:30:27,120
Speaker 1: We now know where things stand with the pacers for

1819
01:30:27,160 --> 01:30:28,760
Speaker 1: those that might have been holding out hope of like

1820
01:30:28,800 --> 01:30:31,160
Speaker 1: you know, maybe they'll get things turned around, maybe they'll

1821
01:30:31,200 --> 01:30:34,040
Speaker 1: get at going in the right direction. Pretty clear where

1822
01:30:34,040 --> 01:30:38,120
Speaker 1: things are headed at this point, question becomes, I think,

1823
01:30:38,600 --> 01:30:40,599
Speaker 1: how active are they going to be at the trade

1824
01:30:40,640 --> 01:30:43,320
Speaker 1: deadline or are they going to wait for sign and

1825
01:30:43,400 --> 01:30:47,640
Speaker 1: trades end of year. What is your initial or overwhelming

1826
01:30:47,760 --> 01:30:49,320
Speaker 1: gut thought sentiment on that.

1827
01:30:50,240 --> 01:30:53,479
Speaker 13: Yeah, yeah, it's funny you mentioned everybody knows says like

1828
01:30:53,800 --> 01:30:56,000
Speaker 13: TJ McConnell had a season with the Sixers where they

1829
01:30:56,040 --> 01:30:58,400
Speaker 13: closed the year twenty seven and five good.

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01:30:58,439 --> 01:30:59,880
Speaker 4: The Pacers closed last year very good.

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01:31:00,200 --> 01:31:02,640
Speaker 13: If the Pacers right now, well on a twenty and

1832
01:31:02,720 --> 01:31:05,400
Speaker 13: five stretch, it's still the under five hundred, right like

1833
01:31:05,439 --> 01:31:08,720
Speaker 13: they That is the state of affair that they're and

1834
01:31:08,800 --> 01:31:11,720
Speaker 13: I think everybody knows what this is now, right They're

1835
01:31:11,800 --> 01:31:14,000
Speaker 13: still going to try to what they can about the team,

1836
01:31:14,080 --> 01:31:16,479
Speaker 13: especially before the deadline, and truth be told, I think

1837
01:31:16,520 --> 01:31:19,759
Speaker 13: they have to smile at least someone that it hasn't

1838
01:31:19,800 --> 01:31:21,920
Speaker 13: been great in terms of the results, but this healthy

1839
01:31:22,000 --> 01:31:25,479
Speaker 13: ish stretch from like New Year's Eve Cantel right now,

1840
01:31:25,760 --> 01:31:27,920
Speaker 13: obviously no Matherin for all of that, they've looked like

1841
01:31:27,920 --> 01:31:30,360
Speaker 13: a capable They've had some ugly hoses along the way,

1842
01:31:30,400 --> 01:31:32,280
Speaker 13: but leading in the fourth quarter a lot. They won

1843
01:31:32,360 --> 01:31:35,240
Speaker 13: four out of five against actually games and not crappy

1844
01:31:35,280 --> 01:31:37,240
Speaker 13: teams like the schedule helped them do before the Cups,

1845
01:31:37,320 --> 01:31:39,640
Speaker 13: So at least they know that their team still be

1846
01:31:39,640 --> 01:31:41,320
Speaker 13: good with healthy hope.

1847
01:31:41,160 --> 01:31:42,920
Speaker 4: Or knock on wood, no one's ever healthy in the NBA.

1848
01:31:43,000 --> 01:31:46,200
Speaker 13: But next season, however, with the fund coming up, yeah,

1849
01:31:46,200 --> 01:31:48,640
Speaker 13: they obviously have to be thinking long term and not

1850
01:31:48,760 --> 01:31:51,919
Speaker 13: about any short term game that this year could provide.

1851
01:31:51,960 --> 01:31:55,040
Speaker 13: And they have a tiny bit of financial flexibility, they

1852
01:31:55,120 --> 01:31:57,559
Speaker 13: might look to just use that space to bring in

1853
01:31:57,600 --> 01:31:59,479
Speaker 13: some assets that they could use in a later move.

1854
01:31:59,520 --> 01:32:02,040
Speaker 13: But you nailed what their decision will have to be

1855
01:32:02,240 --> 01:32:04,240
Speaker 13: is they need a center and they you know, they

1856
01:32:04,320 --> 01:32:05,920
Speaker 13: might want to add talent others. Did they do that

1857
01:32:06,000 --> 01:32:08,080
Speaker 13: now or do they do that in the summer, And

1858
01:32:08,120 --> 01:32:11,400
Speaker 13: it's hard to sign and trade, but it's the possibility

1859
01:32:11,439 --> 01:32:14,439
Speaker 13: from giving their current situation and they have a lot

1860
01:32:14,479 --> 01:32:18,800
Speaker 13: of movable salaries now with Jackson, Ben Madarin, Jarris Walker,

1861
01:32:18,840 --> 01:32:21,640
Speaker 13: all these guys that like could in theories together and

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01:32:21,680 --> 01:32:22,559
Speaker 13: affect something.

1863
01:32:22,640 --> 01:32:24,840
Speaker 4: But what's the value of those guys, what's their value

1864
01:32:24,880 --> 01:32:25,360
Speaker 4: in the summer?

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01:32:25,439 --> 01:32:28,439
Speaker 13: So I think out of their work will be can

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01:32:28,479 --> 01:32:30,840
Speaker 13: they get either their center or something else they like now?

1867
01:32:30,880 --> 01:32:32,880
Speaker 4: But if not laying the ground.

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01:32:32,720 --> 01:32:34,400
Speaker 13: For what it would take to get that player in

1869
01:32:34,400 --> 01:32:38,280
Speaker 13: the summer, if situations change financial, other teams orse flames

1870
01:32:38,280 --> 01:32:40,200
Speaker 13: out in the playoffs, and something else becomes available.

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01:32:40,320 --> 01:32:42,360
Speaker 2: Okay, So this happens to me a lot.

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01:32:42,400 --> 01:32:44,679
Speaker 1: By the way, speaking of chipmunks, I had chipmunk cheeks

1873
01:32:44,680 --> 01:32:46,559
Speaker 1: for a long time. There that would consistently hit the

1874
01:32:46,600 --> 01:32:48,280
Speaker 1: mute button on my phone when I was talking. That

1875
01:32:48,400 --> 01:32:51,120
Speaker 1: is not what's happening with Tony kind activity issues. So

1876
01:32:51,120 --> 01:32:53,720
Speaker 1: we're going to go a different route in getting him

1877
01:32:53,760 --> 01:32:56,200
Speaker 1: back on the line so we can have a little

1878
01:32:56,200 --> 01:33:00,679
Speaker 1: bit clearer conversation. But I agree the center position still

1879
01:33:00,760 --> 01:33:02,479
Speaker 1: and I think that we have seen We've talked a

1880
01:33:02,479 --> 01:33:05,800
Speaker 1: lot about this that Jay Huff has shown, and I

1881
01:33:05,840 --> 01:33:08,439
Speaker 1: really like what Jay Huff brings to the table in

1882
01:33:08,520 --> 01:33:12,720
Speaker 1: terms of his activity around the rim, his shot blocking ability.

1883
01:33:13,160 --> 01:33:14,720
Speaker 2: He has done a really good job with that.

1884
01:33:15,160 --> 01:33:17,880
Speaker 1: I think that clearly when they go up against very

1885
01:33:17,920 --> 01:33:20,960
Speaker 1: strong bigs, he can struggle on the low block both

1886
01:33:21,000 --> 01:33:24,400
Speaker 1: offensively and defensively, just with lack of overall strength, but

1887
01:33:25,320 --> 01:33:27,040
Speaker 1: he's become more of a consistent shooter.

1888
01:33:27,160 --> 01:33:27,760
Speaker 2: The question I.

1889
01:33:27,760 --> 01:33:31,840
Speaker 1: Would have Tony is this, and we discussed this the

1890
01:33:31,920 --> 01:33:33,280
Speaker 1: other day, but I'll bring it up to you.

1891
01:33:34,240 --> 01:33:36,080
Speaker 2: Jay Huff's ability.

1892
01:33:35,640 --> 01:33:41,080
Speaker 1: To rim protect and replicate that area of Miles Turner's game.

1893
01:33:41,120 --> 01:33:43,240
Speaker 2: One of the things in losing Miles Turner.

1894
01:33:43,000 --> 01:33:46,280
Speaker 1: That you really worried about was the rim protection aspect

1895
01:33:46,320 --> 01:33:48,240
Speaker 1: of it, and you thought to yourself, they've got to

1896
01:33:48,280 --> 01:33:50,759
Speaker 1: go out and get a player that plays that way

1897
01:33:51,000 --> 01:33:55,360
Speaker 1: that Miles Turner does. Does Jay Huff showing that he

1898
01:33:55,400 --> 01:33:58,240
Speaker 1: can rim protect and be a shot blocker in doses?

1899
01:33:58,840 --> 01:34:02,679
Speaker 1: Does that leave the necessity of finding that skill set

1900
01:34:02,720 --> 01:34:04,280
Speaker 1: within who it is that you go out to get

1901
01:34:04,280 --> 01:34:06,799
Speaker 1: to be your starting center, and you can use Huff

1902
01:34:07,040 --> 01:34:10,200
Speaker 1: for that purpose, but get a center that does other

1903
01:34:10,360 --> 01:34:14,040
Speaker 1: things but not necessarily that in terms of trying to

1904
01:34:14,360 --> 01:34:15,759
Speaker 1: fill the void of Miles Turner.

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01:34:15,800 --> 01:34:16,920
Speaker 2: Does that make sense what I'm.

1906
01:34:16,760 --> 01:34:19,439
Speaker 11: Asking I do get what you're saying. Do I sound

1907
01:34:19,479 --> 01:34:20,200
Speaker 11: okay this time?

1908
01:34:20,360 --> 01:34:20,679
Speaker 1: Yes?

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01:34:21,200 --> 01:34:24,160
Speaker 14: But you know it's really tricky because Huff had awesome

1910
01:34:24,200 --> 01:34:27,360
Speaker 14: block numbers. I think teams started to figure out what

1911
01:34:27,400 --> 01:34:29,879
Speaker 14: it would take to draw him away from the basket

1912
01:34:30,360 --> 01:34:32,360
Speaker 14: more of late, like he got stuck on Jaylen Brown on.

1913
01:34:32,320 --> 01:34:34,599
Speaker 11: The perimeter last night, for example, and a lot.

1914
01:34:34,520 --> 01:34:36,439
Speaker 14: Of his block numbers kind of faded when this happened.

1915
01:34:36,439 --> 01:34:38,360
Speaker 14: Miles Turner, to be clear, at one point in his career,

1916
01:34:38,680 --> 01:34:41,720
Speaker 14: teams realized that he's chasing the block sometimes like to

1917
01:34:41,760 --> 01:34:43,559
Speaker 14: shoot the layup really high. There's going to be an

1918
01:34:43,600 --> 01:34:46,080
Speaker 14: offensive rebound available for your center. I'm not saying Jay

1919
01:34:46,120 --> 01:34:49,280
Speaker 14: Hu's not a rim protector. That's clearly his best defensive skill,

1920
01:34:49,360 --> 01:34:51,320
Speaker 14: but I think that a lot of what he's done

1921
01:34:51,360 --> 01:34:53,120
Speaker 14: is still very good. Like he's proven that he fits

1922
01:34:53,160 --> 01:34:55,719
Speaker 14: with this team. The shot is at least somewhat real

1923
01:34:55,760 --> 01:34:57,719
Speaker 14: at times. He can defend when he's around the basket,

1924
01:34:57,960 --> 01:34:59,840
Speaker 14: But I don't think he's proven to be more than

1925
01:35:00,040 --> 01:35:03,000
Speaker 14: and a reserve level center with some utility to play

1926
01:35:03,040 --> 01:35:05,439
Speaker 14: with the starting five, because his skills fit the team

1927
01:35:06,040 --> 01:35:08,400
Speaker 14: very well. But fit is important for the Pacers, right

1928
01:35:08,439 --> 01:35:10,760
Speaker 14: They need their center to be able to at least

1929
01:35:10,760 --> 01:35:13,000
Speaker 14: make some decisions at the top of the key with

1930
01:35:13,560 --> 01:35:16,320
Speaker 14: screening and how they get out of screens, occasionally passing

1931
01:35:16,479 --> 01:35:20,760
Speaker 14: right being a weapon from there. And so whoever, I

1932
01:35:20,800 --> 01:35:23,480
Speaker 14: still think they need someone who can do the defensive

1933
01:35:23,479 --> 01:35:25,840
Speaker 14: stuff and do the things that's required of a Pacer

1934
01:35:25,920 --> 01:35:29,200
Speaker 14: center on top of Huff or whoever they else they.

1935
01:35:29,080 --> 01:35:30,479
Speaker 11: Have at center.

1936
01:35:30,520 --> 01:35:32,639
Speaker 14: And defense is going to be critical for their center

1937
01:35:32,680 --> 01:35:34,960
Speaker 14: spot because it's a weakness of this team. When they're

1938
01:35:34,960 --> 01:35:37,439
Speaker 14: at their best is they're just like pretty good on defense,

1939
01:35:37,479 --> 01:35:40,280
Speaker 14: not exceptional. And if they have a weak defensive center, yeah,

1940
01:35:40,280 --> 01:35:41,600
Speaker 14: they can score a lot, but they'll give up a

1941
01:35:41,640 --> 01:35:43,800
Speaker 14: bunch of points. So I do think it's good that

1942
01:35:43,880 --> 01:35:45,160
Speaker 14: they have Huff on the team.

1943
01:35:45,240 --> 01:35:47,000
Speaker 11: His utilities upfull. He fits very well.

1944
01:35:47,040 --> 01:35:49,479
Speaker 14: But I would still think they would like whatever center

1945
01:35:49,520 --> 01:35:52,360
Speaker 14: they acquire to be a pretty good rim to term.

1946
01:35:52,360 --> 01:35:53,679
Speaker 14: I mean that might be one of the most important

1947
01:35:53,680 --> 01:35:55,680
Speaker 14: skills is that they can at least cut off the

1948
01:35:55,720 --> 01:35:57,280
Speaker 14: rim to some extent. If that player is a better

1949
01:35:57,280 --> 01:35:59,160
Speaker 14: perimeter defender than Huff, which is hard to find at

1950
01:35:59,160 --> 01:35:59,639
Speaker 14: the five.

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01:35:59,520 --> 01:36:03,799
Speaker 1: Even better, give me a ciner. We'll go with three, actually,

1952
01:36:03,960 --> 01:36:05,759
Speaker 1: and I know that that's kind of a lot. Tony

1953
01:36:05,800 --> 01:36:08,280
Speaker 1: Tony East, my guest Java House peeling for guest line,

1954
01:36:08,520 --> 01:36:11,639
Speaker 1: locked on pacers Forbes whr the places where you can

1955
01:36:11,680 --> 01:36:15,680
Speaker 1: see and hear his work. Give me three centers that

1956
01:36:15,760 --> 01:36:17,920
Speaker 1: you kind of hear about, or you've got your ear

1957
01:36:17,960 --> 01:36:21,120
Speaker 1: to the ground. Of those that might just be in

1958
01:36:21,200 --> 01:36:24,439
Speaker 1: need of a change, they're franchise, their contract, whatever it

1959
01:36:24,520 --> 01:36:28,040
Speaker 1: may be that could be viable options that Indiana, you

1960
01:36:28,040 --> 01:36:30,960
Speaker 1: would assume Kevin Pritchard and Chad Buchanan have been monitoring.

1961
01:36:31,840 --> 01:36:35,040
Speaker 14: Yeah, Contracts are I think the biggest limiting factor for

1962
01:36:35,160 --> 01:36:38,639
Speaker 14: the pacers because inrewn Nemhart is the third highest pacer

1963
01:36:38,680 --> 01:36:41,080
Speaker 14: this year at eighteen million. And Siakim a second at

1964
01:36:41,080 --> 01:36:44,479
Speaker 14: forty nine. So there's a huge gap right there where

1965
01:36:44,720 --> 01:36:48,360
Speaker 14: salary matching becomes more challenging. You have to stack a

1966
01:36:48,400 --> 01:36:51,639
Speaker 14: lot of players as the Pacers to be able to.

1967
01:36:51,080 --> 01:36:52,000
Speaker 11: Bring somebody in.

1968
01:36:52,080 --> 01:36:54,120
Speaker 14: And so there's a lot of really good players that

1969
01:36:54,160 --> 01:36:56,920
Speaker 14: they could, in theory try to get, but they might

1970
01:36:56,960 --> 01:36:59,840
Speaker 14: make too much or require the Pacers to really gut

1971
01:36:59,840 --> 01:37:01,719
Speaker 14: their team to get them, and some of them even

1972
01:37:01,960 --> 01:37:04,080
Speaker 14: their contract goes way up starting next year, then it

1973
01:37:04,080 --> 01:37:08,120
Speaker 14: becomes even more prohibitive. So there's this range of I'm

1974
01:37:08,120 --> 01:37:11,240
Speaker 14: making this up of like clearly good centers who make

1975
01:37:11,280 --> 01:37:14,839
Speaker 14: between fifteen and twenty five million ish that it's feasible

1976
01:37:14,880 --> 01:37:17,200
Speaker 14: for the Pacers to get them. And they're pretty good

1977
01:37:17,200 --> 01:37:20,760
Speaker 14: and maybe not so impossible from an asset perspective to get.

1978
01:37:20,760 --> 01:37:23,040
Speaker 14: I think a lot of Pacers fans have landed on

1979
01:37:23,080 --> 01:37:24,799
Speaker 14: the dream being and this is a player that I

1980
01:37:24,800 --> 01:37:26,519
Speaker 14: have to imagine the Pacers have at least called about

1981
01:37:26,520 --> 01:37:29,720
Speaker 14: a yetco Coonglu with the Hawks. He's really talented, he's

1982
01:37:29,760 --> 01:37:31,960
Speaker 14: expanded his range this year. He's a good defender. He

1983
01:37:32,040 --> 01:37:33,880
Speaker 14: started a lot for them because Porzingis has missed a

1984
01:37:33,920 --> 01:37:34,519
Speaker 14: lot of games.

1985
01:37:34,320 --> 01:37:36,040
Speaker 2: He's a really good rebounder, isn't he.

1986
01:37:36,680 --> 01:37:39,040
Speaker 14: Yes, Yes, he was awesome that at USC even he's

1987
01:37:39,040 --> 01:37:40,800
Speaker 14: a great player. He went sixth overall a couple of

1988
01:37:40,880 --> 01:37:43,160
Speaker 14: years ago. I don't know why the Hawks would move him,

1989
01:37:43,160 --> 01:37:44,840
Speaker 14: but they're kind of influx in general, and if they

1990
01:37:44,840 --> 01:37:47,080
Speaker 14: were willing to, you know, change up their center rotation,

1991
01:37:47,160 --> 01:37:49,919
Speaker 14: he'd be a great fit contractually and skill.

1992
01:37:49,680 --> 01:37:50,880
Speaker 11: Watch for what the Pacers need.

1993
01:37:51,000 --> 01:37:53,759
Speaker 14: Another one that's gotten a lot of buzz is Daniel Gafford.

1994
01:37:54,040 --> 01:37:56,920
Speaker 14: Ironic because he was also a starting center in the

1995
01:37:56,920 --> 01:37:59,040
Speaker 14: finals that did not have a good finals. But he's

1996
01:37:59,040 --> 01:38:00,920
Speaker 14: a good player for the mas. I think his trade

1997
01:38:01,000 --> 01:38:02,479
Speaker 14: value is really interesting.

1998
01:38:02,520 --> 01:38:04,000
Speaker 11: He's been hurt so much this year.

1999
01:38:04,000 --> 01:38:06,240
Speaker 14: He hurt his ankle in the preseason, has never really

2000
01:38:06,600 --> 01:38:08,880
Speaker 14: gotten past it. He keeps banging up the same ankle.

2001
01:38:08,920 --> 01:38:10,880
Speaker 14: But you know, he was good enough to start for

2002
01:38:10,920 --> 01:38:13,400
Speaker 14: a finals run, right like that clearly has to be something.

2003
01:38:13,439 --> 01:38:16,960
Speaker 14: His contract is very manageable. There's guys on rookie scale

2004
01:38:16,960 --> 01:38:20,439
Speaker 14: deals that get a lot of buzz. Khalil Ware, Walker Kessler.

2005
01:38:20,560 --> 01:38:23,559
Speaker 14: I've heard some people mentioned Derek Lively. That seems weird

2006
01:38:23,560 --> 01:38:24,400
Speaker 14: for the Mats to do.

2007
01:38:24,320 --> 01:38:26,880
Speaker 11: That, but he is very good. Rob Williams is.

2008
01:38:26,880 --> 01:38:28,920
Speaker 14: In the right contract range with the Blazers, but he,

2009
01:38:29,040 --> 01:38:31,280
Speaker 14: like Gafford, has heard a lot, isn't as good as

2010
01:38:31,320 --> 01:38:32,640
Speaker 14: a lot of these guys. And there's a bunch of

2011
01:38:32,720 --> 01:38:34,160
Speaker 14: names that in theory could make sense.

2012
01:38:34,200 --> 01:38:36,960
Speaker 11: But there's always something. There's never like a perfect fit.

2013
01:38:37,000 --> 01:38:37,960
Speaker 2: There's always they're.

2014
01:38:37,840 --> 01:38:41,080
Speaker 14: Too expensive, they're not quite good enough, you know, there's

2015
01:38:41,120 --> 01:38:43,120
Speaker 14: always something that just like is a little bit of

2016
01:38:43,120 --> 01:38:44,720
Speaker 14: a hurdle for the Pacers, even though there are a

2017
01:38:44,720 --> 01:38:46,560
Speaker 14: lot of guys that do in theory makes sense that

2018
01:38:46,640 --> 01:38:48,479
Speaker 14: they can find the right value or trade package.

2019
01:38:49,880 --> 01:38:52,439
Speaker 1: Jeris Walker, somebody asked me this question, Tony. I thought

2020
01:38:52,439 --> 01:38:54,080
Speaker 1: it was the best way of saying it. I thought

2021
01:38:54,080 --> 01:38:56,840
Speaker 1: it was the best wave saying it. Well, the fog

2022
01:38:56,920 --> 01:39:00,280
Speaker 1: ever clear, so that makes sense.

2023
01:39:01,080 --> 01:39:02,320
Speaker 11: It hits a good way of saying it.

2024
01:39:02,840 --> 01:39:05,719
Speaker 14: I mean, I don't want to say it is recently,

2025
01:39:05,760 --> 01:39:07,840
Speaker 14: but it has gotten better. I think like it's it's

2026
01:39:07,880 --> 01:39:10,600
Speaker 14: a little more crystal for him right now, like he

2027
01:39:10,680 --> 01:39:13,040
Speaker 14: found some way to get through it.

2028
01:39:13,080 --> 01:39:13,640
Speaker 11: But yeah, it was.

2029
01:39:13,680 --> 01:39:16,320
Speaker 14: I mean early in the season, I think the hope

2030
01:39:16,360 --> 01:39:17,680
Speaker 14: was and I thought he could do it, Like I

2031
01:39:18,439 --> 01:39:21,360
Speaker 14: was generally a Jarris Walker optimist coming into this year

2032
01:39:22,000 --> 01:39:24,760
Speaker 14: that he could create a little bit more off the

2033
01:39:24,800 --> 01:39:27,439
Speaker 14: dribble than he did last year and shoot as well

2034
01:39:27,479 --> 01:39:29,160
Speaker 14: as he has in his first two seasons, and that

2035
01:39:29,240 --> 01:39:31,600
Speaker 14: would be a good enough offensive player, and if that

2036
01:39:31,640 --> 01:39:34,320
Speaker 14: came with any defensive growth, that he'd be a very

2037
01:39:34,400 --> 01:39:35,599
Speaker 14: useful three and four.

2038
01:39:35,760 --> 01:39:40,040
Speaker 11: And instead he made nothing for months. Right, so recently

2039
01:39:40,160 --> 01:39:41,360
Speaker 11: he is one.

2040
01:39:41,560 --> 01:39:43,080
Speaker 14: He's done two things that have stood out to me.

2041
01:39:43,120 --> 01:39:44,200
Speaker 14: One is the shots are going in.

2042
01:39:44,280 --> 01:39:45,519
Speaker 11: That's obviously very important.

2043
01:39:45,880 --> 01:39:48,360
Speaker 14: Is three point percentage is just about average now, which

2044
01:39:48,640 --> 01:39:50,600
Speaker 14: average is average, but compared to where I was to

2045
01:39:50,600 --> 01:39:52,760
Speaker 14: start the season, is like a massive step.

2046
01:39:52,520 --> 01:39:53,920
Speaker 11: Forward for him.

2047
01:39:54,280 --> 01:39:54,559
Speaker 3: The thing.

2048
01:39:54,600 --> 01:39:57,040
Speaker 11: The other thing he's done recently is when he used

2049
01:39:57,040 --> 01:39:59,400
Speaker 11: to have for November December, like one or.

2050
01:39:59,400 --> 01:40:02,000
Speaker 14: Two plays every game that we're just disasters, right, like

2051
01:40:02,560 --> 01:40:05,800
Speaker 14: terrible turnover, a mess of a defensive rep. You know,

2052
01:40:05,800 --> 01:40:08,720
Speaker 14: stuff like that that he shows it. And some of

2053
01:40:08,760 --> 01:40:11,320
Speaker 14: them are obvious, like a turnover, everybody knows it. Sometimes

2054
01:40:11,320 --> 01:40:12,840
Speaker 14: a bad defensive rep is hard to catch.

2055
01:40:12,720 --> 01:40:13,400
Speaker 11: But he shows it.

2056
01:40:13,439 --> 01:40:15,720
Speaker 14: He'll like get mad at himself in clap or look

2057
01:40:15,760 --> 01:40:18,200
Speaker 14: toward the bench or something like that, like a lot

2058
01:40:18,240 --> 01:40:19,400
Speaker 14: of those are going away.

2059
01:40:19,400 --> 01:40:22,760
Speaker 11: Too, so he's still an imperfect player. As young players.

2060
01:40:22,400 --> 01:40:24,640
Speaker 14: Are working on his defense, you know, he's got to

2061
01:40:24,640 --> 01:40:27,799
Speaker 14: get his fitch speed a little higher laterly on the perimeter.

2062
01:40:27,880 --> 01:40:29,840
Speaker 14: He still has turnovers every game.

2063
01:40:29,880 --> 01:40:32,439
Speaker 11: His shot comes and goes. But I think it's still

2064
01:40:32,520 --> 01:40:33,479
Speaker 11: foggy for him.

2065
01:40:33,479 --> 01:40:35,479
Speaker 14: But I think it is slowing down and clearing up

2066
01:40:35,479 --> 01:40:37,400
Speaker 14: a bit right now, especially if he's kind of had

2067
01:40:37,400 --> 01:40:39,400
Speaker 14: the same role a couple of games in a row.

2068
01:40:39,400 --> 01:40:41,720
Speaker 14: I mean all season he's had to do. I mean,

2069
01:40:41,720 --> 01:40:43,679
Speaker 14: at times he was the second option with the bench.

2070
01:40:44,040 --> 01:40:47,639
Speaker 14: He's had to go up and down in involvement and

2071
01:40:47,960 --> 01:40:50,880
Speaker 14: in position, and he didn't handle it well. I'm not

2072
01:40:51,000 --> 01:40:53,719
Speaker 14: saying that to excuse his play, but I think recently,

2073
01:40:53,800 --> 01:40:55,400
Speaker 14: knowing where his shots are going to come from and

2074
01:40:55,439 --> 01:40:58,800
Speaker 14: who he's playing with and finally seeing some results, I

2075
01:40:58,800 --> 01:41:00,200
Speaker 14: think that's all ed to a pump.

2076
01:41:00,160 --> 01:41:02,640
Speaker 11: And spilled that has cleared some of the fog. But

2077
01:41:02,720 --> 01:41:03,840
Speaker 11: that is the question is will.

2078
01:41:03,720 --> 01:41:04,720
Speaker 9: It ever fully go in.

2079
01:41:04,840 --> 01:41:07,360
Speaker 14: He looks like the player that at Houston looked like

2080
01:41:07,360 --> 01:41:08,360
Speaker 14: he could one day become.

2081
01:41:08,720 --> 01:41:10,719
Speaker 1: Okay, Tony, We're going to play one of my famous

2082
01:41:10,760 --> 01:41:11,679
Speaker 1: hypotheticals here.

2083
01:41:11,720 --> 01:41:14,439
Speaker 4: You ready, Let's go Okay yes, we're gonna say that.

2084
01:41:14,520 --> 01:41:17,479
Speaker 1: You Tony East decide, you know with all the I mean,

2085
01:41:17,600 --> 01:41:19,920
Speaker 1: you know you're right for involved with Forbes, so you

2086
01:41:19,960 --> 01:41:22,599
Speaker 1: know a little bit about cashola, right, So you've fallen

2087
01:41:22,600 --> 01:41:24,880
Speaker 1: into this windfall of money with your writing and everything,

2088
01:41:24,920 --> 01:41:28,080
Speaker 1: you know, your appearances and everything. So you invest that

2089
01:41:28,160 --> 01:41:31,519
Speaker 1: money into an apartment building. Okay, high end apartment building,

2090
01:41:31,600 --> 01:41:33,800
Speaker 1: and you know, just like the Jefferson's, we're moving up

2091
01:41:33,800 --> 01:41:35,439
Speaker 1: to the east Side. You're going to call your apartment

2092
01:41:35,439 --> 01:41:38,519
Speaker 1: building the east Side, right, just so everybody knows, I mean, this.

2093
01:41:38,479 --> 01:41:39,559
Speaker 2: Is high end stuff.

2094
01:41:40,240 --> 01:41:44,240
Speaker 1: And you have as tenants Ben Matheren, He's got a

2095
01:41:44,280 --> 01:41:46,439
Speaker 1: really nice unit in your place. Jaris Walker's got a

2096
01:41:46,439 --> 01:41:51,080
Speaker 1: really nice place, so too does Isaiah Jackson. Okay, somebody

2097
01:41:51,080 --> 01:41:53,200
Speaker 1: calls you and they go, hey, Tony, you got the

2098
01:41:53,280 --> 01:41:56,280
Speaker 1: upcoming vacancies because I'm my daughter's looking for a place

2099
01:41:56,320 --> 01:41:58,200
Speaker 1: to live and we've got a little extra cash.

2100
01:41:58,240 --> 01:42:00,000
Speaker 2: How many apartments are you going to have open up next?

2101
01:42:00,560 --> 01:42:01,320
Speaker 2: What's your answer?

2102
01:42:02,520 --> 01:42:07,000
Speaker 11: Two would be my answer. I think that so Mather

2103
01:42:07,160 --> 01:42:08,080
Speaker 11: is a natural.

2104
01:42:07,720 --> 01:42:11,320
Speaker 14: One to start at because his contract is expiring, and

2105
01:42:11,360 --> 01:42:13,280
Speaker 14: the Pacers have shown their hand with this as they

2106
01:42:13,280 --> 01:42:15,519
Speaker 14: should to be clear over the years in the past.

2107
01:42:15,680 --> 01:42:18,200
Speaker 14: Two years ago they made the conference finals and mid

2108
01:42:18,240 --> 01:42:22,160
Speaker 14: season they traded away sometimes starter for them. Buddy Heel

2109
01:42:22,240 --> 01:42:24,200
Speaker 14: got moved and granted that there was a lot more

2110
01:42:24,240 --> 01:42:27,600
Speaker 14: to that than just his contract, but like they realized

2111
01:42:27,920 --> 01:42:30,360
Speaker 14: they should probably be thinking ahead with that. They took

2112
01:42:30,400 --> 01:42:32,360
Speaker 14: it Doug McDermott in the second they got worse as

2113
01:42:32,400 --> 01:42:33,559
Speaker 14: a team, but they got.

2114
01:42:33,400 --> 01:42:37,200
Speaker 11: An asset for it. Year before that, Miles.

2115
01:42:37,040 --> 01:42:39,880
Speaker 14: Turner was going to be an expiring contract that year,

2116
01:42:40,120 --> 01:42:43,280
Speaker 14: and then he extended mid season and after the deadline

2117
01:42:43,479 --> 01:42:45,320
Speaker 14: or close to it. I can't remember when Rick Carlisle

2118
01:42:45,360 --> 01:42:45,680
Speaker 14: said it.

2119
01:42:45,760 --> 01:42:46,920
Speaker 11: He said, yeah, this.

2120
01:42:46,880 --> 01:42:48,559
Speaker 14: Deadline might have been different if we hadn't done that

2121
01:42:48,560 --> 01:42:51,920
Speaker 14: with Miles. Right, This team smartly, as every team does.

2122
01:42:52,080 --> 01:42:54,400
Speaker 14: If you have an expiring contract, you think about their future.

2123
01:42:54,800 --> 01:42:57,000
Speaker 14: Regardless of how good you are and how good they are,

2124
01:42:57,000 --> 01:42:59,080
Speaker 14: you have to think about it. And Mather and it's

2125
01:42:59,120 --> 01:43:01,479
Speaker 14: an expiring contract. Now he's a restricted free agent. They

2126
01:43:01,520 --> 01:43:03,880
Speaker 14: can easily keep him if they want to, but they

2127
01:43:03,920 --> 01:43:07,360
Speaker 14: have to think about, Okay, he's gonna earn more money

2128
01:43:07,360 --> 01:43:09,280
Speaker 14: on his next deal. What makes sense for them with

2129
01:43:09,680 --> 01:43:12,360
Speaker 14: presumably a big salary, Draft pick coming in the door

2130
01:43:13,000 --> 01:43:13,439
Speaker 14: next year.

2131
01:43:13,479 --> 01:43:14,519
Speaker 4: What's his role going to be.

2132
01:43:14,600 --> 01:43:16,600
Speaker 14: Is it worth as much money as he'll demand if

2133
01:43:16,640 --> 01:43:18,400
Speaker 14: he's still coming off the bench for them? But also

2134
01:43:19,040 --> 01:43:21,120
Speaker 14: his potential looks awesome at times. I mean, the first

2135
01:43:21,160 --> 01:43:23,840
Speaker 14: few games of the season were insane. He looked amazing, right,

2136
01:43:24,080 --> 01:43:26,240
Speaker 14: It's going to be a very hard call, but I

2137
01:43:26,280 --> 01:43:27,880
Speaker 14: do think they have to think about what the team

2138
01:43:27,920 --> 01:43:29,559
Speaker 14: would look like without him, even though it might look

2139
01:43:29,560 --> 01:43:31,160
Speaker 14: good with him. They just made the finals with him

2140
01:43:31,200 --> 01:43:34,240
Speaker 14: playing well in the playoffs, Jackson, if he's going to

2141
01:43:34,240 --> 01:43:36,519
Speaker 14: be your backup center or even your third string center

2142
01:43:36,520 --> 01:43:39,600
Speaker 14: if they acquire somebody else, making seven million dollars is.

2143
01:43:39,600 --> 01:43:41,519
Speaker 11: A big overpay for that role.

2144
01:43:41,640 --> 01:43:43,719
Speaker 14: So he is a good player or certainly a rotation

2145
01:43:43,840 --> 01:43:45,960
Speaker 14: level player, or they probably have to think about if

2146
01:43:45,960 --> 01:43:49,040
Speaker 14: that asset makes the most sense for them. Walker's under

2147
01:43:49,080 --> 01:43:51,679
Speaker 14: contract for next year certainly hasn't topped the way they hoped,

2148
01:43:51,760 --> 01:43:54,960
Speaker 14: but at least they can say they're, you know, investing

2149
01:43:54,960 --> 01:43:56,760
Speaker 14: in him and trying it again for one more year.

2150
01:43:56,760 --> 01:43:58,439
Speaker 14: If he's on the team and he didn't staying. He

2151
01:43:58,479 --> 01:44:00,519
Speaker 14: played well in the playoffs last year too, before got hurt,

2152
01:44:00,560 --> 01:44:04,160
Speaker 14: So I would say that for most at least likely

2153
01:44:04,200 --> 01:44:06,320
Speaker 14: to still be in their unit in my hypothetically owned

2154
01:44:06,320 --> 01:44:08,920
Speaker 14: apartment building, would be Jariss Walker one, Isaiah Jackson two,

2155
01:44:08,920 --> 01:44:11,760
Speaker 14: Ben nather In three. But they all have cases to

2156
01:44:11,800 --> 01:44:14,960
Speaker 14: be back and begone. But I think multiple of those players,

2157
01:44:15,000 --> 01:44:17,200
Speaker 14: if they trade for their center this year, would be in.

2158
01:44:17,200 --> 01:44:19,120
Speaker 11: The package for that player because of all those things

2159
01:44:19,120 --> 01:44:19,599
Speaker 11: I just said.

2160
01:44:20,000 --> 01:44:22,880
Speaker 2: And whichever one of the and then you get win of.

2161
01:44:22,840 --> 01:44:25,600
Speaker 1: The fact that one of the guys looking also for

2162
01:44:25,680 --> 01:44:28,439
Speaker 1: an apartment happens to be the Pacers first round pick

2163
01:44:28,640 --> 01:44:30,160
Speaker 1: in the twenty twenty six draft.

2164
01:44:30,320 --> 01:44:32,439
Speaker 2: That's going to be pick overall number on.

2165
01:44:34,680 --> 01:44:38,439
Speaker 11: That's just an odds guess, right, Like three or four

2166
01:44:38,600 --> 01:44:40,960
Speaker 11: is just what the odds say is very likely.

2167
01:44:41,040 --> 01:44:42,560
Speaker 14: But if they win a couple more games that I

2168
01:44:42,560 --> 01:44:43,800
Speaker 14: would move it down to four or five.

2169
01:44:43,840 --> 01:44:46,040
Speaker 11: I mean, I obviously could get one. The odds are

2170
01:44:46,040 --> 01:44:47,320
Speaker 11: all the same. If you have one of the first

2171
01:44:47,320 --> 01:44:50,360
Speaker 11: four records, it's just your floor that goes down. So

2172
01:44:51,400 --> 01:44:53,000
Speaker 11: I'll say three or four.

2173
01:44:53,439 --> 01:44:56,960
Speaker 1: Okay, fair enough, And that would be a really good player,

2174
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Speaker 1: a really really good player.

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Speaker 2: Yes, Eddie Tony.

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Speaker 4: Back when the Pacers were in the lottery, both for

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Speaker 4: Benedict Matherin and Jaris Walker at the time, Jake Querry

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01:45:06,560 --> 01:45:08,519
Speaker 4: and Jimmy Cook where we were talking, and I remember

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Speaker 4: this conversation with Bobby Marks of ESPN, their front office insider,

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Speaker 4: and he was just stressing the importance of both of

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01:45:15,479 --> 01:45:17,960
Speaker 4: those years to get it right because of a team

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01:45:18,040 --> 01:45:20,439
Speaker 4: like Indiana, when you don't get a lot of key

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01:45:20,479 --> 01:45:23,720
Speaker 4: free agents with big names, it's so important to hit

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01:45:23,840 --> 01:45:26,320
Speaker 4: on the lottery. How important is it? And I don't

2185
01:45:26,320 --> 01:45:28,080
Speaker 4: want to make this sound like, yes, the Pacers need

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01:45:28,080 --> 01:45:30,360
Speaker 4: to continue to lose, but how important is it for

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01:45:30,400 --> 01:45:33,800
Speaker 4: the Pacers to be in the lottery discussion with the

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01:45:33,840 --> 01:45:36,479
Speaker 4: top end talent that is there in this upcoming draft?

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01:45:36,760 --> 01:45:38,599
Speaker 4: And not to mention the fact that we're talking right

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01:45:38,640 --> 01:45:41,519
Speaker 4: now about potentially trading Jeris Walker and Benedict Matherin.

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Speaker 14: Yes, here you nailed all the reasons why I had

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01:45:44,320 --> 01:45:46,719
Speaker 14: such a big deal. And you know at the time too,

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01:45:46,840 --> 01:45:49,760
Speaker 14: the difference between this draft pick in theory we'll see

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Speaker 14: how good they are next year and those two is

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01:45:52,320 --> 01:45:53,800
Speaker 14: you know, they picked mather and they had just won

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01:45:53,840 --> 01:45:56,880
Speaker 14: twenty five games or whatever it was. When they picked Jeris,

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01:45:56,920 --> 01:45:59,519
Speaker 14: they had just won thirty seven. Like there was no

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01:45:59,640 --> 01:46:01,080
Speaker 14: idea of how good this team.

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Speaker 11: Could be at their peak, and the idea of in.

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Speaker 14: Theory, if you nail both of those, like a Halliburton

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01:46:05,320 --> 01:46:08,679
Speaker 14: Madin Walker trio just being amazing because they hadn't even.

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01:46:08,520 --> 01:46:09,439
Speaker 11: Traded for Pascali.

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01:46:09,560 --> 01:46:11,960
Speaker 14: It was, you know, wow, look what that could be

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01:46:12,080 --> 01:46:14,360
Speaker 14: like if you nail it. You have two cheap, great

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01:46:14,400 --> 01:46:16,920
Speaker 14: contributors for years, Look what this could become. And then

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01:46:16,960 --> 01:46:18,800
Speaker 14: along the way they got Obi.

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01:46:18,520 --> 01:46:19,960
Speaker 11: And Pascal and then Aaroni.

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01:46:20,000 --> 01:46:22,040
Speaker 14: Smith's contract was cheap and awesome and them hard was

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01:46:22,080 --> 01:46:24,200
Speaker 14: cheap and awesome, and they built the team with chief

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01:46:24,200 --> 01:46:26,920
Speaker 14: contributors a different way. But that's really what it's about,

2211
01:46:27,000 --> 01:46:30,679
Speaker 14: is if you're really good, having really good players on

2212
01:46:31,520 --> 01:46:35,040
Speaker 14: undervalued contracts is hard and very important. And that's what

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01:46:35,120 --> 01:46:36,519
Speaker 14: the top of the lottery can be. Is if that

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01:46:36,560 --> 01:46:38,640
Speaker 14: player is good or has a lot of potential to

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01:46:38,640 --> 01:46:41,320
Speaker 14: be traded for something good and they're not being paid very.

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01:46:41,280 --> 01:46:42,759
Speaker 2: Much, it's so huge.

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01:46:42,800 --> 01:46:44,000
Speaker 11: It's so huge for your team.

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01:46:44,040 --> 01:46:45,760
Speaker 14: I mean, I don't think people realize how much of

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01:46:45,880 --> 01:46:48,040
Speaker 14: both the Pacers have been able to do the last

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01:46:48,040 --> 01:46:48,519
Speaker 14: couple of years.

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01:46:48,600 --> 01:46:49,679
Speaker 11: Is like two years ago they made.

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Speaker 14: The conference finals with them Heart and Nie Smith's combined

2223
01:46:51,680 --> 01:46:54,200
Speaker 14: salary being like twelve million dollars, Like that's insane. That's

2224
01:46:54,240 --> 01:46:57,760
Speaker 14: two starters for a top two team in the East, right,

2225
01:46:58,160 --> 01:47:00,000
Speaker 14: So that is what the biggest part of it is.

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01:47:00,400 --> 01:47:03,280
Speaker 14: The difference now is that it made no sense for

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01:47:03,320 --> 01:47:05,559
Speaker 14: them to really trade the six or seventh pick when

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01:47:05,560 --> 01:47:07,400
Speaker 14: they weren't very good yet. I'm not saying they should

2229
01:47:07,439 --> 01:47:09,400
Speaker 14: trade to pick this year, but like they have a

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01:47:09,439 --> 01:47:11,760
Speaker 14: Finals contender and they don't get a top three or

2231
01:47:11,760 --> 01:47:13,880
Speaker 14: four pick, I take a think about it. So there's

2232
01:47:13,920 --> 01:47:15,639
Speaker 14: just a lot for them to consider that they could

2233
01:47:15,760 --> 01:47:18,800
Speaker 14: nail this year, and if they get it wrong, it

2234
01:47:18,840 --> 01:47:21,920
Speaker 14: will hurt tremendously that this year off where they're not

2235
01:47:21,960 --> 01:47:24,160
Speaker 14: playing very well, did not net them an awesome player.

2236
01:47:24,200 --> 01:47:26,439
Speaker 11: But the top of this draft looks good, and it's.

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01:47:26,280 --> 01:47:28,840
Speaker 14: Critically important just to get good players when you can,

2238
01:47:28,960 --> 01:47:30,240
Speaker 14: and if they have a chance to do what they

2239
01:47:30,280 --> 01:47:30,800
Speaker 14: got it now.

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Speaker 4: Not even just critically important for like next year or

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01:47:33,560 --> 01:47:35,680
Speaker 4: two years from now. I'm talking like four years from now,

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01:47:35,720 --> 01:47:39,519
Speaker 4: when Pascal Siako's at the end of that contract extension

2243
01:47:39,560 --> 01:47:41,920
Speaker 4: that he just signed and you have to find that

2244
01:47:41,960 --> 01:47:44,760
Speaker 4: next player to pair with Tyree Sliburton for the future.

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01:47:45,120 --> 01:47:47,160
Speaker 14: One hundred percent, and you nailed something that I think

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01:47:47,200 --> 01:47:50,639
Speaker 14: people I hope at least realized when this draft comes

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01:47:50,720 --> 01:47:53,160
Speaker 14: is like like we're already talking about the you know

2248
01:47:53,200 --> 01:47:55,080
Speaker 14: what could the end of matherinder.

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01:47:54,640 --> 01:47:57,160
Speaker 11: Walker's time with the Pacers look like five years ago?

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01:47:57,680 --> 01:47:58,240
Speaker 11: Like today?

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01:47:58,720 --> 01:48:00,640
Speaker 14: The only Pacer who was on the team that is

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01:48:00,680 --> 01:48:03,400
Speaker 14: still now there is TJ McConnell. Now, they weren't very

2253
01:48:03,400 --> 01:48:06,280
Speaker 14: good at the time, but the league turns over so

2254
01:48:06,520 --> 01:48:08,960
Speaker 14: much really fast, like really fast. I think as they

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01:48:08,960 --> 01:48:11,719
Speaker 14: could have Tyre Salbert forever, they would, but you can't

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01:48:11,760 --> 01:48:14,040
Speaker 14: really Like you can draft for fit if you're really good,

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01:48:14,040 --> 01:48:16,160
Speaker 14: and they are, but you have to think about who's

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01:48:16,200 --> 01:48:16,599
Speaker 14: going to.

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01:48:16,560 --> 01:48:17,320
Speaker 2: Be the best player.

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01:48:17,360 --> 01:48:18,679
Speaker 11: Who is going to be the best.

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01:48:18,479 --> 01:48:21,519
Speaker 14: Player on your team when they're their best for you now,

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01:48:21,520 --> 01:48:23,040
Speaker 14: who's going to be the best.

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01:48:22,840 --> 01:48:24,439
Speaker 11: Player for you in the first two or three years

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01:48:24,479 --> 01:48:25,000
Speaker 11: of their deal.

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01:48:25,320 --> 01:48:27,880
Speaker 14: So there's just a lot of considerations of getting the

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01:48:27,960 --> 01:48:30,040
Speaker 14: best player now and for that next era because a

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01:48:30,040 --> 01:48:31,360
Speaker 14: lot of their contracts are lined.

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01:48:31,240 --> 01:48:32,519
Speaker 11: Up for the next two or three years.

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01:48:32,520 --> 01:48:34,280
Speaker 14: But okay, if you get a good rookie, you're going

2270
01:48:34,360 --> 01:48:36,640
Speaker 14: to have them for at least five if not up

2271
01:48:36,680 --> 01:48:38,280
Speaker 14: to eight or nine before you have to think about

2272
01:48:38,280 --> 01:48:40,439
Speaker 14: their future. So yeah, it's a lot and ill and

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01:48:40,479 --> 01:48:42,600
Speaker 14: it's a lot of your franchise is time that is

2274
01:48:42,640 --> 01:48:43,679
Speaker 14: invested in that player.

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Speaker 1: Tony East is our guest Java House Peel and poor

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01:48:47,760 --> 01:48:50,320
Speaker 1: guest line Tomorrow night. For the Pacers, it is back

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01:48:50,360 --> 01:48:53,320
Speaker 1: to the spot of the pain. They are in Oklahoma

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01:48:53,320 --> 01:48:57,000
Speaker 1: City to take on the thunder. Tony appreciate it as always.

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01:48:57,880 --> 01:48:59,639
Speaker 14: Now, thanks for having me, guys, Glad it works better

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01:48:59,680 --> 01:49:00,599
Speaker 14: with thought the O this time.

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01:49:00,640 --> 01:49:02,880
Speaker 1: That's right, you don't sound like a chipmunk this time.

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01:49:02,880 --> 01:49:05,920
Speaker 1: Tony East joining us on the program. All right, Eddie,

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01:49:06,439 --> 01:49:08,840
Speaker 1: we have the tickets for John Mellencamp. What are the

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01:49:08,960 --> 01:49:10,880
Speaker 1: specifics in terms of this show.

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Speaker 4: It's a show that will be here in Indiana, Jake, Okay,

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01:49:14,960 --> 01:49:16,560
Speaker 4: and that is when in the summertime.

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Speaker 2: Nothing says summer in Indiana like John Mellencamp right.

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01:49:20,400 --> 01:49:22,639
Speaker 4: July eighteenth at rwof Music Center.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I have what I believe there is a trivia

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01:49:28,400 --> 01:49:30,800
Speaker 2: question that I was asked. Actually I looked this up.

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01:49:30,880 --> 01:49:32,040
Speaker 2: I was not asked this.

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01:49:32,280 --> 01:49:36,000
Speaker 1: I saw something and I said to myself, I looked

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01:49:36,000 --> 01:49:36,360
Speaker 1: at something.

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01:49:36,360 --> 01:49:38,920
Speaker 2: I noticed something and I said, that's a great trivia question.

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01:49:40,720 --> 01:49:43,800
Speaker 1: It's a fascinating trivia question because I'm not saying that

2296
01:49:43,920 --> 01:49:45,880
Speaker 1: I've given it and several people have gotten it right away.

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01:49:47,400 --> 01:49:50,080
Speaker 1: There is a particular order in which every guest. It's

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01:49:50,160 --> 01:49:54,120
Speaker 1: very predictable the answers. I'm not going to give the

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01:49:54,200 --> 01:49:56,960
Speaker 1: question now, but we're going to do it live on

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01:49:57,000 --> 01:50:00,680
Speaker 1: the air at two nine ten seventy and whoever gets

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01:50:00,720 --> 01:50:05,880
Speaker 1: it correct will be on their way to see John Mellencamp.

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01:50:07,680 --> 01:50:09,719
Speaker 1: And we are going to do that on the other side.

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01:50:09,720 --> 01:50:11,519
Speaker 4: Now, what about that second pair we have to give away?

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01:50:11,520 --> 01:50:14,360
Speaker 4: We have to give away two today. Do we do

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01:50:14,400 --> 01:50:16,040
Speaker 4: a text ligne giveaway for the second pair?

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01:50:18,360 --> 01:50:18,800
Speaker 2: That's fair?

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01:50:19,000 --> 01:50:20,960
Speaker 4: Do we do a trivia question for people who want

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01:50:20,960 --> 01:50:22,920
Speaker 4: to text into the show? That way, they have the option.

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01:50:22,680 --> 01:50:28,479
Speaker 1: Here, that's fair. Here's the thing, others can't see what's

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01:50:28,520 --> 01:50:30,679
Speaker 1: being texted in. Right, that is correct. I will ask

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01:50:30,720 --> 01:50:33,120
Speaker 1: the question. The first person to answer it correctly via

2312
01:50:33,200 --> 01:50:35,640
Speaker 1: text will win, and we will also do it on

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01:50:35,720 --> 01:50:36,160
Speaker 1: the air.

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01:50:36,400 --> 01:50:38,720
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, we'll do it on the other side.

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01:50:39,520 --> 01:50:44,960
Speaker 1: May well be my favorite song from John Mellencamp, great

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01:50:44,960 --> 01:50:47,639
Speaker 1: song tickets to give away? We have two pair here's

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01:50:47,640 --> 01:50:50,360
Speaker 1: how we're going to do this. I have a trivia question.

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01:50:51,960 --> 01:50:54,360
Speaker 1: Eddie knows the answer. I will ask the question, we

2319
01:50:54,400 --> 01:50:57,880
Speaker 1: will cycle through people on the air, and the first

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01:50:57,880 --> 01:51:00,479
Speaker 1: person to text the correct answer also will I'll be

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01:51:00,560 --> 01:51:00,960
Speaker 1: a winner.

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01:51:01,040 --> 01:51:04,719
Speaker 2: So two winners here. Now here is the question.

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01:51:04,920 --> 01:51:07,479
Speaker 1: I will bring on David first, and he will be

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01:51:07,520 --> 01:51:09,160
Speaker 1: the first guinea pig of this.

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Speaker 2: H David, how are you doing well? Good? Have you

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01:51:13,800 --> 01:51:14,799
Speaker 2: called the program before?

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01:51:16,280 --> 01:51:16,639
Speaker 3: Yes?

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01:51:16,840 --> 01:51:19,040
Speaker 2: Okay, and you're still with us.

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01:51:19,080 --> 01:51:22,479
Speaker 1: I appreciate that right crucially back from Miami.

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01:51:22,600 --> 01:51:25,120
Speaker 2: Yes? Oh, how was it?

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01:51:25,120 --> 01:51:29,400
Speaker 3: It was awesome? Tad tickets since ninety one as a student,

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01:51:29,560 --> 01:51:31,280
Speaker 3: so it's a long time coming.

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01:51:31,400 --> 01:51:33,240
Speaker 1: How many of the three did you go to between

2334
01:51:33,320 --> 01:51:35,439
Speaker 1: Rose Peach and National Title Game?

2335
01:51:36,360 --> 01:51:36,920
Speaker 3: All three?

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01:51:37,680 --> 01:51:38,599
Speaker 2: So let me ask you this.

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01:51:38,680 --> 01:51:40,240
Speaker 1: If they were to go back next year and do

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01:51:40,280 --> 01:51:42,160
Speaker 1: it all over again, would you go to all three again?

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01:51:42,280 --> 01:51:44,320
Speaker 1: Or will you eventually get to the point where you're like, Okay,

2340
01:51:44,320 --> 01:51:46,000
Speaker 1: I got to lay out a little bit and then

2341
01:51:46,200 --> 01:51:47,120
Speaker 1: see where things fall.

2342
01:51:48,400 --> 01:51:50,320
Speaker 11: I probably try to do them all three again.

2343
01:51:51,680 --> 01:51:53,840
Speaker 1: It was pretty awesome. I mean, there's no question about that.

2344
01:51:53,880 --> 01:51:56,360
Speaker 1: All right, David, here's my trivia question for you.

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01:51:56,400 --> 01:51:57,200
Speaker 2: Are you ready.

2346
01:51:58,200 --> 01:52:02,679
Speaker 1: Yepin proper Bowl one to present and you can't google.

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01:52:02,720 --> 01:52:04,040
Speaker 2: You just gotta give me like you got to think

2348
01:52:04,040 --> 01:52:06,160
Speaker 2: and then give me your answer. You're ready.

2349
01:52:07,520 --> 01:52:10,360
Speaker 1: There are only two franchises in the National Football League

2350
01:52:10,720 --> 01:52:14,519
Speaker 1: who have won Super Bowls under the presidential administration of

2351
01:52:14,640 --> 01:52:19,280
Speaker 1: four different presidents. The Pittsburgh Steelers would be one. They

2352
01:52:19,320 --> 01:52:22,760
Speaker 1: did it under Ford, Carter, Bush, and Obama. Who is

2353
01:52:22,800 --> 01:52:23,720
Speaker 1: the other franchise?

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01:52:25,680 --> 01:52:28,960
Speaker 11: Oh boy, you either want to say the Niners or

2355
01:52:29,000 --> 01:52:29,559
Speaker 11: the Patriots.

2356
01:52:29,600 --> 01:52:31,160
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go Niners.

2357
01:52:31,200 --> 01:52:33,439
Speaker 2: Okay, Niners did it under Reagan, Bush and Clinton.

2358
01:52:33,439 --> 01:52:34,120
Speaker 1: And that is it?

2359
01:52:34,280 --> 01:52:37,960
Speaker 2: Just three. Mike is up next? Mike, you heard the question.

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01:52:38,040 --> 01:52:38,799
Speaker 2: What's your answer?

2361
01:52:40,200 --> 01:52:44,800
Speaker 1: I'll say the Redskins Redskins formerly Redskins Commanders. Also, that

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01:52:44,960 --> 01:52:47,800
Speaker 1: is also a common guest. That is incorrect. We will

2363
01:52:47,840 --> 01:52:51,040
Speaker 1: go to Todd. Todd, what's up? What's your guess?

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01:52:51,720 --> 01:52:54,519
Speaker 14: Want to go ahead and steal the New England Patriot one?

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01:52:54,800 --> 01:52:55,160
Speaker 2: Okay?

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01:52:56,080 --> 01:52:59,000
Speaker 1: Also a good guest for the New England Patriots. Incorrect?

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01:52:59,400 --> 01:53:01,479
Speaker 1: The guy with the guest named Jake up next?

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01:53:01,479 --> 01:53:02,160
Speaker 2: What's up? Jake?

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01:53:04,000 --> 01:53:04,200
Speaker 6: Hey?

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Speaker 14: There?

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01:53:04,560 --> 01:53:11,760
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys, Dallas Cowboys, Nixon, Carter Clinton stops there? Not

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01:53:11,920 --> 01:53:14,920
Speaker 1: the Cowboys. Chad is up next, Chad, what's up?

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01:53:15,040 --> 01:53:17,480
Speaker 6: It's the New York Giants.

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01:53:17,920 --> 01:53:24,479
Speaker 1: You are indeed correct, Chad, you are in correct. Reagans

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01:53:24,560 --> 01:53:28,640
Speaker 1: both verses and Obama. Now, did you know that or

2376
01:53:28,680 --> 01:53:31,320
Speaker 1: did you look it up? Because you had time? I

2377
01:53:31,360 --> 01:53:35,800
Speaker 1: guess to hell the guests I've asked this question, you

2378
01:53:35,840 --> 01:53:37,880
Speaker 1: did look it up. Okay, that's okay, I mean you

2379
01:53:37,920 --> 01:53:41,240
Speaker 1: had that privilege, I guess. Apologies to the other guys.

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01:53:41,640 --> 01:53:46,280
Speaker 1: Here's what's fascinating about this question. You mark my words,

2381
01:53:47,120 --> 01:53:49,639
Speaker 1: if you ask anybody, you go into any sports bar

2382
01:53:49,720 --> 01:53:51,960
Speaker 1: and you say, name the two franchises that are the

2383
01:53:52,040 --> 01:53:54,040
Speaker 1: only two to win the Super Bowl in four different

2384
01:53:54,080 --> 01:53:58,519
Speaker 1: presidential administrations. Every single time. I could have written this

2385
01:53:58,600 --> 01:54:06,800
Speaker 1: down every single time. Answer goes in order, Steelers, Cowboys, Niners, Redskins,

2386
01:54:06,960 --> 01:54:11,800
Speaker 1: slash Commanders, and then typically Raiders gets thrown in there,

2387
01:54:12,120 --> 01:54:12,920
Speaker 1: and Patriots.

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01:54:13,600 --> 01:54:14,280
Speaker 2: Every one of.

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01:54:14,240 --> 01:54:17,080
Speaker 1: Those gets mentioned before anybody knows the New York Football Giants. Chad,

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Speaker 1: what's your favorite Mellencamp song?

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Speaker 6: Oh man, what's the one that's kind of fifties? Do

2392
01:54:24,439 --> 01:54:28,559
Speaker 6: up sound out of me? Yeah, Chad?

2393
01:54:28,800 --> 01:54:31,599
Speaker 2: Chad? Hold on, hang on, Chad, how old a fella,

2394
01:54:31,640 --> 01:54:32,280
Speaker 2: are you Chad?

2395
01:54:33,360 --> 01:54:36,200
Speaker 6: Hey, I'm fifty three, so I've been Mellencamp since you

2396
01:54:36,280 --> 01:54:36,760
Speaker 6: know now.

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01:54:37,120 --> 01:54:38,840
Speaker 1: I mean we're the same age, right, Chad? What high

2398
01:54:38,840 --> 01:54:42,080
Speaker 1: school did you go to? Brown You're the class of

2399
01:54:42,160 --> 01:54:46,760
Speaker 1: ninety one ninety Did you happen to know Mike Vanderjat's

2400
01:54:46,800 --> 01:54:49,440
Speaker 1: ex wife that went to Brownsburg, Janeen?

2401
01:54:50,880 --> 01:54:52,320
Speaker 2: She was an attractive girl, right?

2402
01:54:53,280 --> 01:54:54,600
Speaker 6: Oh, very good looking woman. Yes?

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01:54:54,960 --> 01:54:57,200
Speaker 1: Okay, Now, Chad, if you could let me ask you

2404
01:54:57,240 --> 01:54:58,680
Speaker 1: this as part of our get to know your listener,

2405
01:54:58,960 --> 01:55:01,680
Speaker 1: if you could pick any team, not who you think,

2406
01:55:02,240 --> 01:55:05,760
Speaker 1: but who you want. If the sports gods came upon

2407
01:55:05,840 --> 01:55:07,360
Speaker 1: you in the middle of the night and they said, Chad,

2408
01:55:07,640 --> 01:55:09,640
Speaker 1: you knew the New York Giants? You got it correct?

2409
01:55:09,640 --> 01:55:11,880
Speaker 1: You couldn't name a Mellencamp song. But that's cool. But

2410
01:55:12,600 --> 01:55:14,560
Speaker 1: we are going to give you the ability to pick

2411
01:55:14,680 --> 01:55:17,240
Speaker 1: any team in any sport and it will guarantee that

2412
01:55:17,280 --> 01:55:20,160
Speaker 1: they win their next championship. Not the one you think

2413
01:55:20,160 --> 01:55:22,440
Speaker 1: would win, but the one that you most would want

2414
01:55:22,480 --> 01:55:24,240
Speaker 1: to see win, Chad, would be who.

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01:55:26,800 --> 01:55:27,760
Speaker 6: Oh tough one?

2416
01:55:28,000 --> 01:55:28,120
Speaker 10: Uh?

2417
01:55:30,040 --> 01:55:31,760
Speaker 6: The New Orleans Pelicans.

2418
01:55:32,440 --> 01:55:34,400
Speaker 2: Well, you're a fan of the New Orleans Pelicans.

2419
01:55:35,360 --> 01:55:37,880
Speaker 6: No, I just love the city of New Orleans. Okay,

2420
01:55:39,840 --> 01:55:42,600
Speaker 6: I'm a Saints fan from way back in the age

2421
01:55:42,720 --> 01:55:44,480
Speaker 6: days Archie Manning and such.

2422
01:55:44,560 --> 01:55:47,360
Speaker 2: But so who did you move for when the Saints

2423
01:55:47,360 --> 01:55:49,040
Speaker 2: played the Colts in the Super Bowl.

2424
01:55:49,200 --> 01:55:55,040
Speaker 6: I stayed home. I had invitations to many parties and

2425
01:55:55,080 --> 01:55:57,880
Speaker 6: they all laughed and weren't surprised I stayed home. I

2426
01:55:57,960 --> 01:56:01,960
Speaker 6: read the Saints song because the Colts said, obviously just

2427
01:56:02,040 --> 01:56:05,040
Speaker 6: won one. And yeah, I rooted the Saint song, but

2428
01:56:05,080 --> 01:56:05,680
Speaker 6: I stayed home.

2429
01:56:05,800 --> 01:56:06,720
Speaker 2: Chat you know what.

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01:56:06,800 --> 01:56:08,560
Speaker 1: I can appreciate that, and I'll tell you why and

2431
01:56:08,640 --> 01:56:10,800
Speaker 1: Eddie will get your information. I appreciate you listening to

2432
01:56:10,800 --> 01:56:15,440
Speaker 1: the show. Listen. That makes total sense to me. And

2433
01:56:15,440 --> 01:56:17,480
Speaker 1: I've gone on this die I tribe many a time before,

2434
01:56:18,600 --> 01:56:24,560
Speaker 1: but people don't grasp that. If you are my age,

2435
01:56:24,600 --> 01:56:28,720
Speaker 1: as Chad clearly is, we're both fifty three. We were

2436
01:56:28,760 --> 01:56:31,840
Speaker 1: in the sixth grade before the Colts moved here and

2437
01:56:31,880 --> 01:56:34,080
Speaker 1: played a game, and they were terrible in the beginning,

2438
01:56:34,640 --> 01:56:37,720
Speaker 1: and most people went to the RCA Dome to go

2439
01:56:37,760 --> 01:56:39,760
Speaker 1: see the opposition to go because it was their chance

2440
01:56:39,800 --> 01:56:41,560
Speaker 1: to see the NFL, because we never had that here.

2441
01:56:42,280 --> 01:56:45,400
Speaker 1: And I have a buddy Tom Savage that grew up here.

2442
01:56:46,000 --> 01:56:48,800
Speaker 1: Actually Tom grew up and excuse me in South Dakota,

2443
01:56:48,840 --> 01:56:51,480
Speaker 1: but that lived here. He was at Tom's a diehard

2444
01:56:51,480 --> 01:56:53,440
Speaker 1: Saints fan. And I'm like, Tom, how did you become

2445
01:56:53,440 --> 01:56:55,800
Speaker 1: a Saints fan? Tom's maybe two years older than I am,

2446
01:56:56,680 --> 01:56:58,000
Speaker 1: And he said, when I was a kid, I was

2447
01:56:58,040 --> 01:57:00,880
Speaker 1: watching you know, football on and when you'd watch the

2448
01:57:00,920 --> 01:57:06,120
Speaker 1: game on Sunday, the NFL Today with Irv Cross and

2449
01:57:06,200 --> 01:57:14,600
Speaker 1: Brent Musburg Donna, when you would watch that and they'd

2450
01:57:14,640 --> 01:57:16,680
Speaker 1: have the highlights of games from around the league. Now,

2451
01:57:16,760 --> 01:57:18,440
Speaker 1: let's get you caught up on what's been going on

2452
01:57:18,760 --> 01:57:20,760
Speaker 1: around the league, and they'd show you the highlights. That

2453
01:57:20,880 --> 01:57:22,960
Speaker 1: was the only time that you saw that, or at

2454
01:57:22,960 --> 01:57:24,560
Speaker 1: halftime in the Monday, that football game was the only

2455
01:57:24,600 --> 01:57:27,600
Speaker 1: time that you really saw the Saint Louis Football Cardinals

2456
01:57:27,680 --> 01:57:30,920
Speaker 1: or the Baltimore Colts because they weren't very good, or

2457
01:57:30,960 --> 01:57:35,400
Speaker 1: the Jets, and you usually had a Bengals, Bears or

2458
01:57:35,760 --> 01:57:39,040
Speaker 1: Cowboys Steelers game here. Tom became a diehard fan of

2459
01:57:39,040 --> 01:57:42,120
Speaker 1: the New Orleans Saints because in the nineteen I think

2460
01:57:42,120 --> 01:57:45,800
Speaker 1: it was probably seventy eight through eighty somewhere in their season,

2461
01:57:46,440 --> 01:57:48,680
Speaker 1: they were winless, and all of their fans were wearing

2462
01:57:48,720 --> 01:57:50,640
Speaker 1: bags over their head in the crowd because they were

2463
01:57:50,680 --> 01:57:53,040
Speaker 1: too ashamed to admit they were a Saints fan. And

2464
01:57:53,400 --> 01:57:56,240
Speaker 1: Tom was like, that team needs fans, they need people

2465
01:57:56,280 --> 01:57:56,800
Speaker 1: to back them up.

2466
01:57:56,840 --> 01:57:57,880
Speaker 2: So he became a Saints fan.

2467
01:57:58,600 --> 01:58:01,200
Speaker 1: And when the Colts played the Saints in the Super Bowl,

2468
01:58:01,280 --> 01:58:04,080
Speaker 1: I felt so bad for Tom because he lives here

2469
01:58:04,120 --> 01:58:07,120
Speaker 1: in Indy and he was so elated and there was

2470
01:58:07,200 --> 01:58:09,640
Speaker 1: literally no one to celebrate it with because everywhere he

2471
01:58:09,720 --> 01:58:13,240
Speaker 1: went it was despair and doom because the Saints had

2472
01:58:13,240 --> 01:58:15,200
Speaker 1: won it and the Colts did not. And I totally

2473
01:58:15,280 --> 01:58:20,080
Speaker 1: understand why people have turned their allegiance over to the

2474
01:58:20,080 --> 01:58:22,440
Speaker 1: Colts that are my age, because they've been here now

2475
01:58:22,440 --> 01:58:24,480
Speaker 1: forever and they've had great moments and great teams. But

2476
01:58:24,560 --> 01:58:28,480
Speaker 1: I can appreciate and respect that you stay kind of

2477
01:58:28,480 --> 01:58:29,960
Speaker 1: true to the team that you grew up rooting for.

2478
01:58:30,160 --> 01:58:32,680
Speaker 2: I grew up a die hard Steelers fan.

2479
01:58:33,520 --> 01:58:38,640
Speaker 1: I've lost that fandom over the years, A little like

2480
01:58:38,840 --> 01:58:40,920
Speaker 1: tweak of me in nostalgia. When I see their helmet,

2481
01:58:40,920 --> 01:58:42,600
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, that reminds me of the pajamas and

2482
01:58:42,600 --> 01:58:45,480
Speaker 1: the helmet in the trash can. Everything I had until

2483
01:58:45,640 --> 01:58:47,280
Speaker 1: you know, all through elementary school.

2484
01:58:48,000 --> 01:58:48,840
Speaker 2: But I can get it.

2485
01:58:49,080 --> 01:58:52,640
Speaker 1: I I appreciate that, and I can give some love there.

2486
01:58:53,360 --> 01:58:57,080
Speaker 2: Did we have a correct texter Eddie? We did? And

2487
01:58:57,120 --> 01:58:58,080
Speaker 2: who's that we did?

2488
01:58:58,120 --> 01:58:58,520
Speaker 4: Indeed?

2489
01:58:59,200 --> 01:58:59,920
Speaker 2: Who was the text?

2490
01:59:01,240 --> 01:59:03,680
Speaker 4: Evan Cheryl's father, John Cheryl?

2491
01:59:03,840 --> 01:59:08,760
Speaker 2: Really yeah? And you know what Evan hooked us up yesterday, right.

2492
01:59:08,760 --> 01:59:11,520
Speaker 4: Yes, with some Cluster truck a big fan boy.

2493
01:59:11,560 --> 01:59:13,520
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what Cluster truck is outstanding.

2494
01:59:13,600 --> 01:59:15,560
Speaker 4: Five bucks off when you spend twenty five.

2495
01:59:15,480 --> 01:59:17,720
Speaker 1: And you listen, use the code word fan. Get the

2496
01:59:17,760 --> 01:59:20,440
Speaker 1: five dollars off on twenty five. Cluster truck fresh every

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01:59:20,440 --> 01:59:22,440
Speaker 1: time you order it, and boom, it's right there.

2498
01:59:22,520 --> 01:59:24,360
Speaker 2: It's great. I had the case of do yesterday and

2499
01:59:24,400 --> 01:59:26,960
Speaker 2: it was fabulous. We'll come back. John's in the building.

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01:59:27,040 --> 01:59:28,800
Speaker 1: We will get the crossover go and brought to you

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01:59:28,840 --> 01:59:30,240
Speaker 1: by the good guys that love heating in their love

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01:59:30,320 --> 01:59:33,440
Speaker 1: dash hvac dot com. And we'll let you know what

2503
01:59:33,560 --> 01:59:37,080
Speaker 1: he's got cooking for his program. You know, I mentioned

2504
01:59:37,800 --> 01:59:43,280
Speaker 1: Eddie off the top. I think in sport, you know,

2505
01:59:43,360 --> 01:59:46,640
Speaker 1: sometimes the team's playing really well and you worry that

2506
01:59:46,720 --> 01:59:49,080
Speaker 1: they're getting it like to you know, they're just kind

2507
01:59:49,080 --> 01:59:51,120
Speaker 1: of cruising along and maybe sometimes it's you know, you

2508
01:59:51,160 --> 01:59:54,320
Speaker 1: hear teams say a lot if they've won twenty straight,

2509
01:59:54,400 --> 01:59:56,120
Speaker 1: and the fans are like, you know, it wouldn't bother

2510
01:59:56,160 --> 01:59:57,920
Speaker 1: me if they lose one in the beginning of March,

2511
01:59:58,120 --> 01:59:59,600
Speaker 1: just to kind of get it out of the way,

2512
01:59:59,640 --> 02:00:02,200
Speaker 1: you know what mean. And then there are other times

2513
02:00:02,240 --> 02:00:05,800
Speaker 1: where you feel like you're having a good year and

2514
02:00:05,800 --> 02:00:08,000
Speaker 1: then you lose a game and before you know it, it

2515
02:00:08,040 --> 02:00:09,960
Speaker 1: becomes a five game streak and you're like, will we

2516
02:00:10,040 --> 02:00:11,200
Speaker 1: ever win another game?

2517
02:00:11,880 --> 02:00:15,160
Speaker 2: And sometimes on this show.

2518
02:00:15,960 --> 02:00:18,000
Speaker 4: Is it like that right now? With the Buffalo Sabers,

2519
02:00:18,320 --> 02:00:20,280
Speaker 4: I know they had that incredible winning streak.

2520
02:00:20,960 --> 02:00:25,000
Speaker 1: They changed GMS, made a GM change, and we're all

2521
02:00:25,040 --> 02:00:26,240
Speaker 1: in on the Savers, my buddies.

2522
02:00:27,040 --> 02:00:29,000
Speaker 4: What's the GM change got to do with anything?

2523
02:00:29,680 --> 02:00:33,160
Speaker 1: Fresh blood, new thoughts, motivated guys, change the culture.

2524
02:00:34,400 --> 02:00:35,800
Speaker 4: Nice when to hit all the buzzwords?

2525
02:00:35,800 --> 02:00:38,600
Speaker 2: There, We're I'm all in.

2526
02:00:39,000 --> 02:00:44,360
Speaker 1: They're on Hulu the Sabers are I catched all the time,

2527
02:00:45,240 --> 02:00:47,880
Speaker 1: watch I got the hat, the whole deal. My buddies

2528
02:00:47,880 --> 02:00:50,840
Speaker 1: and I met Byron and McConnell. We're all in on

2529
02:00:50,840 --> 02:00:54,560
Speaker 1: the Sabers. Byron without his wallet. Yeah, but sometimes on

2530
02:00:54,640 --> 02:00:58,920
Speaker 1: this show, McConnell, no relations, Scott McConnell, no relation.

2531
02:00:59,160 --> 02:01:02,360
Speaker 4: Oh and John Chryl piped in no relation to Evan.

2532
02:01:02,800 --> 02:01:04,880
Speaker 2: Sure, that's okay to allow us to talk about cluster drug.

2533
02:01:04,920 --> 02:01:06,560
Speaker 4: That's right, right, that's right.

2534
02:01:06,760 --> 02:01:08,360
Speaker 2: This program, though.

2535
02:01:09,840 --> 02:01:14,400
Speaker 1: Admittedly, there are days when we do it and I

2536
02:01:14,440 --> 02:01:16,720
Speaker 1: think to myself, Man, we did a really good show today,

2537
02:01:16,880 --> 02:01:20,560
Speaker 1: you know, like it was just everything flowed. I felt

2538
02:01:20,640 --> 02:01:23,080
Speaker 1: like I didn't have to stop and collect my thoughts.

2539
02:01:23,600 --> 02:01:26,680
Speaker 1: You know, we worked telepathically because at times it can

2540
02:01:26,720 --> 02:01:28,600
Speaker 1: be difficult because we're in different rooms now, and so

2541
02:01:28,640 --> 02:01:30,440
Speaker 1: if you're doing something else, I'm trying to get your attention,

2542
02:01:30,520 --> 02:01:32,720
Speaker 1: you know. So I mean I wouldn't expect listeners to

2543
02:01:32,760 --> 02:01:33,120
Speaker 1: know that.

2544
02:01:33,040 --> 02:01:35,280
Speaker 4: I would qualify today as one of those shows, now.

2545
02:01:35,760 --> 02:01:36,400
Speaker 2: That's what I mean.

2546
02:01:36,720 --> 02:01:39,960
Speaker 1: And then there are other shows where just you're like, man,

2547
02:01:40,120 --> 02:01:42,840
Speaker 1: I mean I am just literally sitting here treading water

2548
02:01:42,960 --> 02:01:45,440
Speaker 1: and the current is underneath me, and like what. I

2549
02:01:45,480 --> 02:01:47,000
Speaker 1: look at the clock and I'm like, oh my gosh,

2550
02:01:47,000 --> 02:01:48,080
Speaker 1: we have how much time left?

2551
02:01:48,080 --> 02:01:48,920
Speaker 4: What are we talking about?

2552
02:01:49,080 --> 02:01:50,680
Speaker 2: Correct? That does happen? Today?

2553
02:01:50,720 --> 02:01:54,760
Speaker 1: Feels like it flew past. This might be the fastest

2554
02:01:54,760 --> 02:01:57,360
Speaker 1: show in feeling that I've ever done now.

2555
02:01:57,600 --> 02:02:00,000
Speaker 4: Because it feels like Friday for you.

2556
02:02:00,560 --> 02:02:01,680
Speaker 2: It does feel weird.

2557
02:02:02,120 --> 02:02:05,360
Speaker 4: I mean, I listen, I can aver seeing us tomorrow.

2558
02:02:05,400 --> 02:02:10,400
Speaker 1: I very rarely and I'll just open disclaimer. I guess

2559
02:02:10,640 --> 02:02:13,120
Speaker 1: I very rarely take days off other than like, if.

2560
02:02:13,080 --> 02:02:15,000
Speaker 4: I'm going to go on a vacation, are you having

2561
02:02:15,000 --> 02:02:15,920
Speaker 4: a sponge age?

2562
02:02:17,120 --> 02:02:18,560
Speaker 2: That's going to be brutal out I think.

2563
02:02:18,800 --> 02:02:22,840
Speaker 1: But we were given and I appreciate the company doing so.

2564
02:02:23,040 --> 02:02:28,600
Speaker 1: The company gave us like two extra personal days, but

2565
02:02:28,720 --> 02:02:32,600
Speaker 1: they had to be used. There was a deadline for them,

2566
02:02:32,600 --> 02:02:34,240
Speaker 1: and the deadline was coming, and I'm like, you know what,

2567
02:02:34,240 --> 02:02:36,200
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna lose these days if it don't take them.

2568
02:02:36,680 --> 02:02:39,520
Speaker 1: So knowing that you know a lot of the big

2569
02:02:39,560 --> 02:02:43,320
Speaker 1: storylines and we're heading into the super Bowl next week,

2570
02:02:43,360 --> 02:02:44,600
Speaker 1: so that'll be fun. So I thought, you know what,

2571
02:02:44,640 --> 02:02:46,360
Speaker 1: I'm going to take a day. So I'm literally doing

2572
02:02:46,400 --> 02:02:48,880
Speaker 1: tomorrow like an errand day. It's probably the best way

2573
02:02:48,920 --> 02:02:52,160
Speaker 1: to say it, but I'll be off tomorrow. However, a

2574
02:02:52,200 --> 02:02:57,280
Speaker 1: couple of house cleaning items. Tonight seven o'clock replay Indiana

2575
02:02:57,320 --> 02:03:00,480
Speaker 1: Miami National Championship game the Don Fisher broadcast on this

2576
02:03:00,600 --> 02:03:05,400
Speaker 1: program tonight seven o'clock. Same thing for Sunday at one pm.

2577
02:03:05,920 --> 02:03:09,839
Speaker 1: We will replace Sunday at one o'clock again the National

2578
02:03:09,920 --> 02:03:12,920
Speaker 1: Championship game. Also on Saturday at one pm, we will

2579
02:03:12,920 --> 02:03:18,680
Speaker 1: have live coverage of Indiana's victory celebration. In addition, I

2580
02:03:18,760 --> 02:03:24,560
Speaker 1: think I'm okay saying this now my trademark of why

2581
02:03:24,600 --> 02:03:28,440
Speaker 1: not Indiana? There are sweatshirts being sold at the airport

2582
02:03:29,680 --> 02:03:33,680
Speaker 1: and also at different locations around town. There are sweatshirts

2583
02:03:33,720 --> 02:03:34,960
Speaker 1: that have kind of the outline of the state of

2584
02:03:35,000 --> 02:03:36,520
Speaker 1: Indiana that say why not Indiana?

2585
02:03:37,280 --> 02:03:42,160
Speaker 2: And I did go through a lot of time, I'll

2586
02:03:42,200 --> 02:03:43,400
Speaker 2: say that more than anything else.

2587
02:03:43,440 --> 02:03:46,160
Speaker 1: A little bit of money, but more so time, painstakingly,

2588
02:03:46,320 --> 02:03:50,560
Speaker 1: longer process than you think to get trademark rights of

2589
02:03:50,600 --> 02:03:51,440
Speaker 1: the phrase.

2590
02:03:51,160 --> 02:03:53,360
Speaker 2: Why not Indiana. It was not an easy thing to do.

2591
02:03:54,120 --> 02:03:58,920
Speaker 1: And obviously the shop sold t shirts for the pacers

2592
02:03:58,960 --> 02:04:04,120
Speaker 1: and for IU, and at any rate, there are other

2593
02:04:04,200 --> 02:04:06,800
Speaker 1: places now and I'm happy to report that those also

2594
02:04:06,880 --> 02:04:08,760
Speaker 1: they have been very respectful. They did not they were

2595
02:04:08,800 --> 02:04:11,680
Speaker 1: not aware of the trademark, and they've been respectful for it.

2596
02:04:11,720 --> 02:04:14,520
Speaker 1: And I'm happy to say now that that partnership there

2597
02:04:14,560 --> 02:04:16,920
Speaker 1: as well so you're good to go wherever you see

2598
02:04:17,320 --> 02:04:18,040
Speaker 1: those items?

2599
02:04:18,400 --> 02:04:20,160
Speaker 2: Eddie, what are you gonna do tomorrow without me in here?

2600
02:04:20,160 --> 02:04:20,560
Speaker 2: By the way?

2601
02:04:20,680 --> 02:04:21,200
Speaker 4: Celebrate?

2602
02:04:22,880 --> 02:04:25,840
Speaker 2: Okay, you're gonna play some cool on the Gang?

2603
02:04:25,880 --> 02:04:26,160
Speaker 3: Are you?

2604
02:04:26,320 --> 02:04:28,920
Speaker 4: I played cool in the Gang yesterday? I don't know.

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Speaker 4: I'm not sure what Greg Rakestraw's musical taste is.

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Speaker 2: That's a really good question. I think Rakestraw is.

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02:04:39,920 --> 02:04:43,320
Speaker 4: I know he likes the Digital Underground, does he? He does?

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Speaker 1: I would think of Rakestraw as being a late nineties

2609
02:04:47,240 --> 02:04:48,840
Speaker 1: kind of guy, because that's, you know, he's just a

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Speaker 1: few years behind me, maybe like HOOTI and the Blowfish

2611
02:04:51,960 --> 02:04:56,440
Speaker 1: and then in the like Sublime that era. You know,

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02:04:56,480 --> 02:05:02,000
Speaker 1: Third Eye Blind's pretty underrated from that era. JV's arrived.

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02:05:02,040 --> 02:05:04,320
Speaker 1: I saw you skulking the parking lot again today.

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02:05:04,120 --> 02:05:09,440
Speaker 15: John, Yeah, that dude's kind of cock eyedy in today?

2615
02:05:10,840 --> 02:05:14,200
Speaker 2: Is he with Buckingham right there? I think I'm serious.

2616
02:05:14,600 --> 02:05:16,720
Speaker 15: It's gonna come to ahead because I'm not taking this

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02:05:16,800 --> 02:05:20,280
Speaker 15: crap seriously. I mean, we have to park in the

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02:05:20,320 --> 02:05:23,800
Speaker 15: right spot, so you know, we're all adhering to the rules,

2619
02:05:24,720 --> 02:05:27,200
Speaker 15: So this clown has to adhere to the rules too.

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02:05:27,240 --> 02:05:29,400
Speaker 4: There's a handful of people not adhering to the rules

2621
02:05:29,400 --> 02:05:29,760
Speaker 4: out there.

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02:05:29,760 --> 02:05:31,920
Speaker 15: Well, somebody's going to face the consequences because I'm just

2623
02:05:31,920 --> 02:05:33,640
Speaker 15: gonna whip somebody sass into parking lots.

2624
02:05:33,680 --> 02:05:36,400
Speaker 2: What's gonna happen. So yeah, so just somebody knows.

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02:05:36,440 --> 02:05:38,480
Speaker 1: We mentioned this before, but we have the parking lot

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02:05:38,520 --> 02:05:42,480
Speaker 1: has very narrow spots and there, and it has probably

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02:05:42,600 --> 02:05:45,120
Speaker 1: eighty percent of the spots that it should have. And

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02:05:45,440 --> 02:05:47,640
Speaker 1: I can overlook the parking lot and I watched.

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02:05:47,400 --> 02:05:49,440
Speaker 2: Today jamb get out of his car, dud.

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02:05:49,480 --> 02:05:52,120
Speaker 15: I stared right at that, at that white Cadillac out

2631
02:05:52,120 --> 02:05:55,680
Speaker 15: there for life. I've seen the guy come out there before.

2632
02:05:55,680 --> 02:05:57,760
Speaker 15: He smokes like nine meters behind it.

2633
02:05:58,880 --> 02:06:01,200
Speaker 4: So until Jamie host the picture of the of the

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02:06:01,240 --> 02:06:03,680
Speaker 4: license plate or says the license plate.

2635
02:06:03,560 --> 02:06:05,400
Speaker 15: On the air, well, I'm just going to wait out

2636
02:06:05,440 --> 02:06:07,440
Speaker 15: there for him. I'm just going to address it. I said,

2637
02:06:07,440 --> 02:06:09,400
Speaker 15: we're going to have to have we're going to have

2638
02:06:09,440 --> 02:06:12,560
Speaker 15: to abide here, very much like the big Lebowski. We

2639
02:06:12,600 --> 02:06:15,760
Speaker 15: can abide is over the lines again.

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02:06:15,880 --> 02:06:18,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's just kind of cock guyed in there. You

2641
02:06:18,360 --> 02:06:18,960
Speaker 2: can tell.

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02:06:19,320 --> 02:06:21,160
Speaker 15: You could tell he's been told not to do it,

2643
02:06:21,200 --> 02:06:23,360
Speaker 15: but he's kind of half acidly doing it right.

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02:06:24,400 --> 02:06:26,960
Speaker 1: He also, and I get this. I do this a lot.

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02:06:27,000 --> 02:06:29,080
Speaker 1: I used to do it sometimes in our old garage,

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02:06:29,120 --> 02:06:30,960
Speaker 1: and I'll do it at the airport from time to time,

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02:06:31,800 --> 02:06:33,480
Speaker 1: and I do it at pacer games actually for a

2648
02:06:33,560 --> 02:06:36,160
Speaker 1: quicker exit. But when you're gonna be somewhere at work

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02:06:36,200 --> 02:06:38,200
Speaker 1: all day for like nine hours whatever, the back in

2650
02:06:38,320 --> 02:06:39,800
Speaker 1: the spot guys a little much too.

2651
02:06:39,840 --> 02:06:42,360
Speaker 2: It's pretty douchey.

2652
02:06:42,480 --> 02:06:44,640
Speaker 4: The back in is incredible.

2653
02:06:45,360 --> 02:06:48,960
Speaker 15: Myself out then said listen, I own being and now

2654
02:06:49,240 --> 02:06:53,520
Speaker 15: there's no greater douchebag in this building than me right now, Eddie, honestly,

2655
02:06:53,680 --> 02:06:58,200
Speaker 15: but yeah, the back in is is quite often known

2656
02:06:58,280 --> 02:07:00,680
Speaker 15: as stratisfically.

2657
02:07:00,080 --> 02:07:02,960
Speaker 1: Douche John, what's on the big program today?

2658
02:07:03,000 --> 02:07:04,640
Speaker 2: We have a loaded show.

2659
02:07:04,680 --> 02:07:08,000
Speaker 15: Baby Laffenburg, former AU quarterback, going to visit too. He was,

2660
02:07:08,040 --> 02:07:11,800
Speaker 15: of course in South Florida. Steve Walsh, the former Hurricanes quarterback,

2661
02:07:12,320 --> 02:07:15,600
Speaker 15: Tom Crane, former IU coach, will go over, well what

2662
02:07:15,720 --> 02:07:17,520
Speaker 15: he knew that AU football program.

2663
02:07:17,600 --> 02:07:19,000
Speaker 2: And then obviously a great.

2664
02:07:18,840 --> 02:07:21,000
Speaker 15: Deal of the college basketball with Tom and and Mike

2665
02:07:21,120 --> 02:07:25,520
Speaker 15: Chapel talking about the Colts. Where everything is okay, very

2666
02:07:25,600 --> 02:07:29,400
Speaker 15: Kevin Bacon, Animal House remain calm all as well, that's right.

2667
02:07:29,560 --> 02:07:33,840
Speaker 15: Just because these other teams that have greater goals and

2668
02:07:33,840 --> 02:07:36,960
Speaker 15: and uh obviously results that are greater make changes.

2669
02:07:37,240 --> 02:07:39,960
Speaker 2: You don't have to because everything's okay. Like I said,

2670
02:07:40,440 --> 02:07:44,760
Speaker 2: there's proactive and reactive. What are you up to? Six?

2671
02:07:46,240 --> 02:07:48,760
Speaker 2: I wish I was six four. I'm so squatty. It

2672
02:07:48,800 --> 02:07:51,560
Speaker 2: pisses me off to be squatty. Yeah on the shirt, No.

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02:07:51,760 --> 02:07:52,560
Speaker 4: I think that's cool.

2674
02:07:52,600 --> 02:07:56,480
Speaker 2: You look like that's Steve Largent's helmet right there. Correct. Tomorrow,

2675
02:07:56,600 --> 02:08:00,280
Speaker 2: I'm taking a personal day. Just what a personal day?

2676
02:08:00,400 --> 02:08:03,160
Speaker 2: Just running errands rake Ryan for you.

2677
02:08:03,400 --> 02:08:06,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, Fridays. Shannon only works four days a week, so

2678
02:08:06,360 --> 02:08:07,840
Speaker 1: I'm like, you know, well, let's just take a We're

2679
02:08:07,880 --> 02:08:09,480
Speaker 1: gonna go to the Children's Museum. And then I saw

2680
02:08:09,480 --> 02:08:11,440
Speaker 1: the price of tickets to the Children's Museum, and I'm like, yeah,

2681
02:08:11,480 --> 02:08:12,000
Speaker 1: maybe we'll.

2682
02:08:11,840 --> 02:08:12,440
Speaker 3: Go to a movie.

2683
02:08:12,600 --> 02:08:15,280
Speaker 15: So, you know, high Noon is the double shot power

2684
02:08:15,360 --> 02:08:17,680
Speaker 15: now on the jam V Takeover Saturday Night.

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02:08:17,720 --> 02:08:19,920
Speaker 4: Really yeah high Noon. Does Shannon drink high Noon?

2686
02:08:20,240 --> 02:08:20,640
Speaker 10: Yeah?

2687
02:08:20,760 --> 02:08:24,040
Speaker 15: Yeah, high Nuon's become really popular. So high Noon has

2688
02:08:24,080 --> 02:08:26,360
Speaker 15: stepped in and they're a part of the show. Now

2689
02:08:26,440 --> 02:08:28,800
Speaker 15: every Saturday Night, have you had high Noon?

2690
02:08:29,480 --> 02:08:31,800
Speaker 2: I have I prefer surf side, of course. The sweet yeah,

2691
02:08:31,840 --> 02:08:34,120
Speaker 2: I know the sweet stuff about that.

2692
02:08:34,240 --> 02:08:34,520
Speaker 4: Ryan.

2693
02:08:34,560 --> 02:08:36,960
Speaker 15: By the way too, you didn't bring that up, Ryan,

2694
02:08:37,040 --> 02:08:39,800
Speaker 15: saying well, I understand because this kind of crossover right here.

2695
02:08:39,840 --> 02:08:42,600
Speaker 2: But still, no, of course we both are excellent, right,

2696
02:08:42,600 --> 02:08:45,480
Speaker 2: We're appreciative of both. Shout out to Ryan's dude.

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Speaker 3: Man.

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02:08:45,840 --> 02:08:48,600
Speaker 4: Let me tell you, yeah, are they coming back surfside?

2699
02:08:48,720 --> 02:08:48,960
Speaker 2: Yeah?

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02:08:49,080 --> 02:08:51,040
Speaker 4: Coming back? Yeah they should so.

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02:08:51,080 --> 02:08:54,680
Speaker 2: I see him all the time in the Kroger down

2702
02:08:54,680 --> 02:08:56,000
Speaker 2: in Bargersville.

2703
02:08:55,480 --> 02:08:58,160
Speaker 4: Ryan or the surf side Ryan and surfside for that matter.

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Speaker 2: That's cool.

2705
02:08:58,720 --> 02:08:59,080
Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I love eating air. By the way, love dash HVAC

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Speaker 1: dot com shown at the Kendra I three one seven

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Speaker 1: three five three twenty one forty one, the telephone number

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02:09:05,880 --> 02:09:08,720
Speaker 1: for the best love heating and air over one hundred

2710
02:09:08,800 --> 02:09:10,800
Speaker 1: years and taking care of John making sure that his

2711
02:09:10,880 --> 02:09:13,280
Speaker 1: house feels good right now, saying to you twenty four hour.

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02:09:13,120 --> 02:09:14,800
Speaker 15: On, I just leave him, maynaight when I leave, I

2713
02:09:14,880 --> 02:09:17,040
Speaker 15: just go, Hey, guys, just lock up when you leave. Yeah,

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02:09:17,120 --> 02:09:18,640
Speaker 15: you can try to make sure Seek is still in

2715
02:09:18,680 --> 02:09:19,600
Speaker 15: the house and we're all good.

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02:09:19,640 --> 02:09:21,640
Speaker 1: It's exactly what you can trust when you get those

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02:09:21,680 --> 02:09:23,640
Speaker 1: folks inside your house, and that's what you love, all right,

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Speaker 1: John's up next, We'll be back with you. I will

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Speaker 1: be back on Monday, Greg reigstraw in tomorrow, and I

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Speaker 1: thank you for listening to Quarying Company