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Speaker 1: And Grand Rising family, thanks for starting your Tuesday with us. Later,

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Speaker 1: Baba Lamumba, one of our grills will check in. Baba

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Speaker 1: La Bumba always always provides us with some thought provoking

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Speaker 1: will reveal the real meaning of freedom through the lens

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Speaker 1: of Black historyes. You know, this is the one hundred

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Speaker 1: anniversary of Black History Month. Before Babba Blumba, though, educator

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Speaker 1: doctor Tyrion Wrights will shed light on Booker T. Washington's

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Speaker 1: contributions to our history. But to get a started, Mama Teller,

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Speaker 1: We're gonna spak with Frederick Douglass's relative, Terrence Bailey. But

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Speaker 1: first it's get Kevin to reopen this classroom doors on

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Speaker 1: this Tuesday morning, Grand Rising, Kevin.

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Speaker 2: Grand Rising, Carl Neilson, Good morning, my man. It is

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Speaker 2: a wonderful day, the tenth day of February, as the

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Speaker 2: year continues its own by how you.

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Speaker 1: Feeling, Kevin? I'm still learning, brother, right.

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Speaker 2: Right right, yes, yes, indeed, I think that that's something

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Speaker 2: that we all should take, of course into consider because

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Speaker 2: there's growth in learning, and then of course that makes

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Speaker 2: you the dean of the colonels university as well as

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Speaker 2: you share with us all of that knowledge and everything.

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Speaker 1: I'm just a classroom monitor, you remember those sort of

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Speaker 2: Right, Well, in college you could monitor the you know,

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Speaker 2: you know too. So yeah, I don't know if you

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Speaker 1: Now that you probably yeah, you probably have that ID

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Speaker 2: The for the sake of safety, for that matter too,

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Speaker 2: let's get things going headlines wise, we were talking about

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Speaker 2: King Charles has a profound concern over claims that Andrew

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Speaker 2: shared confidental reports with Epstein. That's an international look at

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Speaker 2: this old Epstein file And what were you saying, what

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Speaker 1: Well, you know what happened. It's been percolating in the

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Speaker 2: And Buckingham Palace spokesperson said the King has made it

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Speaker 2: it's a lot to cover. And let's do my favorite

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Speaker 2: Our subject today is Benjamin Montgomery. And he was an

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Speaker 2: Yeah, But of course he was born into US enslavement

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Speaker 1: So the brother invented, not Jefferson Davis.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the brother in Yeah, Benjamin Montgomery invented Jefferson Davis

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Speaker 2: became the president of Okay. Take notes in them, keep

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Speaker 2: He bought the plantation that he was enslaved on, he

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Speaker 1: So I didn't know that. That's the story of Mound by

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and uh, one of our thinking minds, I

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Speaker 2: because our identity was stolen, our language was stolen, our

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Speaker 1: And yeah, I heard that too, that's I heard that.

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Speaker 1: But you know what, Kevin, I heard that. That's why

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Speaker 1: we I don't know about you were back in the day,

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Speaker 2: And the whole idea of buying a caddy was also

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Speaker 2: the you know, it was that feeling of yeah, I've

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Speaker 2: you know you've got enough credit, enough funding to do that.

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Speaker 2: I think it's also attached to that as the root

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Speaker 4: But enough of that. What do I know?

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Speaker 2: And look it's the tenth of February. And that's the

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Speaker 1: Oh I thank you, Kevin. Interesting, I was just thinking

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Speaker 2: Right, well, once you once you have that kind of dare,

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Speaker 2: I said, credit, which is the word credit? And then yeah,

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Speaker 1: You know, child, you didn't know about credit. You thought

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Speaker 1: That's incredible, right, yeah, yeah, you put back a lot

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Speaker 1: All right? Fourteen half the tough Terrence Bailey grand rising brother.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the program.

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Speaker 3: Good morning man.

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Speaker 4: How you doing.

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Speaker 1: We're still learning, Terrence was still learning. I know we're

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Speaker 1: going to learn a lot about you and family. Terrence

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Speaker 1: Tell us the background on your relationship, because this is

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Speaker 4: My name is Terence Bailey Senior from the Eastern Shore

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Speaker 1: Wow, and tell us how you how you give us

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Speaker 4: Well, Frederick Douglas's real name, his birth name was Frederick

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Speaker 4: The the youngest son of Harriet Bailey. My great grandfather

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Speaker 4: No, acle, Frederick did not know his actual birthday. He

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Speaker 4: He did believe he was born in February, excuse me,

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Speaker 4: that's what our grandmother called him.

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Speaker 1: Well, old, that's the right there term. So we gotta

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Speaker 1: And when we talk about black history and Kevin Reids

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Speaker 1: Just think about it for a second. Had we been

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Speaker 4: Well, I mean I wanted to. Can I piggyback real

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Speaker 1: Hopefully we haven't lost Terrance. It sounded like his phone drop, Kevin,

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Speaker 4: But uh, but to your question, you know what what what?

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Speaker 4: What I'm doing to to further ocle, further legacy or whatnot? Uh?

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Speaker 6: Uh.

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Speaker 4: Miss Sonia Foggy was the sole the donor civilian donor

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Speaker 4: and and what's and what's more signed off on two

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Speaker 4: hundred and fifty thousand dollars a week. We are going

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Speaker 4: to going to going to close in for that property

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Speaker 4: for the Animal Murray Douglas's Visitor Center on February of twentieth,

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Speaker 4: I believe. And that's all because of you know, one

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Speaker 4: of your listeners. When I last time I came on

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Speaker 4: the show, she gave us a really very nice donation,

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Speaker 4: and she's one of the biggest reasons why we're going

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Speaker 4: to have an Anna Murray Douglas Visitor and Heritage Center

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Speaker 4: in Carolina County.

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Speaker 5: Wow.

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Speaker 1: Hold a second there, where's the applause, Kevin for Sonya Fogga,

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Speaker 1: one of our family members here. You made that happen.

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Speaker 1: That's what I'm talking about. Sonya Foggy, Just thank you,

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Speaker 1: Thank you for the rest of us, Thank you for

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Speaker 1: stepping up. That's what we need, that's what we have

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Speaker 1: to do. You know, you know, Terrence, you know other folks,

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Speaker 1: other communities, they don't even think twice about doing stuff.

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Speaker 1: What you're doing and what Sonya did is just send

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Speaker 1: you the money. Let's keep up keep the legacy of

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Speaker 1: our heroes alive. It's almost instinctively for them, you know.

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Speaker 1: And this is what Neelie fully and I get back

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Speaker 1: on Neelie Neelie full of is they stay on cod

456
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Speaker 1: when it comes to their issues. This is what we

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Speaker 1: have to do. We need more Sonya Focus. We need

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Speaker 1: more people like her. So Sonya, thank you, thank you,

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Speaker 1: thank you for the rest of us, and thank you

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Speaker 1: for doing what you did for for brother Terrence. So

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Speaker 1: let's go ahead and and continue the story for us

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Speaker 1: at thirty after the time.

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Speaker 4: We we we we are nonprofit that we need as

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Speaker 4: many Sona Focus as we as we as we can

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Speaker 4: get because, uh, here's the thing. When we when we

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Speaker 4: donate to projects like this and the Black Museums and

467
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Speaker 4: stuff like that, we guarantee that the information is accurate

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Speaker 4: and it's not watered down. And that's us as black

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Speaker 4: folks doing that. When you have white folks delivered, uh,

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Speaker 4: donating the majority of the money, you can't complain when

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Speaker 4: the information is not right, or it's dumbed down, or

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Speaker 4: it's not telling the whole story. Because to preserve history,

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Speaker 4: to any preservation, no preservation is free. It all costs money.

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Speaker 4: This is a nit of state capitalism. Ain't nothing free here,

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Speaker 4: So you know, let.

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Speaker 1: Me ask you this again, though, Terrans, why do you

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Speaker 1: think you know it's not just with with the legacy

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Speaker 1: of some of our heroes, even the Congression Black Caucus

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Speaker 1: and people when they don't do anything for us, but

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Speaker 1: we don't support them. You know, we don't write them

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Speaker 1: a check. The people who write them a check, those

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Speaker 1: are the people they respond to. Why is it you?

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Speaker 1: And I've heard this before a conversation with one of

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Speaker 1: our elders, brother Ray Fauntroy. We were having a conversation

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Speaker 1: about some of our leaders, some of our grills, many

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Speaker 1: of them who've left us, you know, almost destitute, because

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Speaker 1: we never supported what they were doing for us. But

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Speaker 1: while other groups it's it's a no brainer for them,

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Speaker 1: but we we just don't support ourself financially. We talk

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Speaker 1: a good game, but there's no follow up. So mean,

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Speaker 1: let me ask you this, why do you think that's

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Speaker 1: the case?

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Speaker 7: Man?

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Speaker 4: Look, every time I bring this up, my phone starts ringing,

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Speaker 4: I get text messages, emails, whatever, Terrence, you can't say that.

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Speaker 4: You can't say that but what's true. But you can't

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Speaker 4: say that Black folks don't donate, and and and and

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Speaker 4: a lot of times, Okay, like I speaking personal experience,

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Speaker 4: when you start talking about our history or whateverever, you

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Speaker 4: get a lot of you all man, everybody trying to

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Speaker 4: hear that slave stuff. Man, anybody trying to hear that

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Speaker 4: whatever I'm I ain't a slave, I'm a copper apporiginy,

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Speaker 4: I wain't. I ain't African Negro. If you ain't got

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Speaker 4: the paperwork to show that you that your family is

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Speaker 4: already hear you African? And we we we have a

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Speaker 4: we have a problem of always trying to disassociate ourselves

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Speaker 4: with our own ancestors. You know, a lot of a

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Speaker 4: lot of a lot of our people will go and

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Speaker 4: do ancestry checks or whatever to try to prove they

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Speaker 4: try a slave in their family, you know, not taking it,

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Speaker 4: not taking understanding the fact that that that that that

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Speaker 4: our our family members who came through the slave system

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Speaker 4: are some of the strongest that ever walked the earth,

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Speaker 4: that they was able to come through slavery, that come

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Speaker 4: through reconstruction, come through Jim Crow, come through the civil

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Speaker 4: rights movement, and and and as many times as they

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Speaker 4: try to exterminate us operated on our women with with

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Speaker 4: with with no anesthesia. Uh uh, the syphilist experiment giving

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Speaker 4: up giving our people agent with the polio vaccine and

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Speaker 4: highard and all that kind of stuff. Every time they

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Speaker 4: want to do a medical experiment, they go get somebody,

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Speaker 4: some destitute folks, black folks out of Africa and and

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Speaker 4: try to experiment on them. They got caught talked about

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Speaker 4: experimenting the COVID vaccines on on on on single black

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Speaker 4: women in Africa, and they said it outright because they

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Speaker 4: were so used.

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Speaker 8: To doing it.

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Speaker 4: This and this is why people that they don't donate

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Speaker 4: and they're not realizing that if you do not preserve

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Speaker 4: this history and this culture, we are doomed to repeat it.

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Speaker 4: We would not even have read and.

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Speaker 1: Jumping here a twenty seven away from top of our chance.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, but yet still we rise all of those

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Speaker 1: obstacles that you mentioned. We overcome all those hurdles, and

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Speaker 1: not only we come out shining, we come out better.

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Speaker 1: And they know that if they hadn't put up those

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Speaker 1: those barriers for us, we'll be on top of the world.

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Speaker 1: It's just that we don't know it. And part of

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Speaker 1: it that's why they keep us. You know, you mentioned

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Speaker 1: a fellow who's putting all that iron stuff on the internet.

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Speaker 1: He doesn't know that. If he knew that, if the

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Speaker 1: unity is our strength, and we come together, not just

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Speaker 1: brothers in Chicago and brothers in la or Detroit, but

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Speaker 1: brothers in Nairobi, brothers in a Bridgetown, barb Batos, brothers

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Speaker 1: in London, brothers in Paris. If we come together, it's

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Speaker 1: game over. They know that we we just don't know it.

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Speaker 1: But go ahead and finish your thoughts.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, just like a black Christian much started right.

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Speaker 4: And and some of this white guy, Uh, I think

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Speaker 4: he's retired Marines Sartant Major posta an old video of

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Speaker 4: Morgan Freeman saying, what what's you do? A boy?

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Speaker 3: Race?

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Speaker 4: Mary Bruce will stop talking about it. He's I think

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Speaker 4: it's he's I think it's stupid have Black History Month?

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Speaker 8: Uh?

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Speaker 4: I use do we have a Jewish History Month?

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Speaker 3: And this?

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Speaker 4: And and I thought, and and that's the most disingenuous.

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Speaker 7: Uh.

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Speaker 4: To be an elder and and to be raised up

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Speaker 4: in in segregation. He know better than to say something

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Speaker 4: mess like that to some, you know, at any point

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Speaker 4: in public. Because the reason why we have Black History Month,

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Speaker 4: the reason why we have h Hispanic History Month or whatever,

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Speaker 4: et cetera, or and we have uh, Black Preservation Grants

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Speaker 4: and stuff like that, is because we have racism. Racism

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Speaker 4: is the father of of the of the father and

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Speaker 4: mother of the African American experience. And when I say

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Speaker 4: that is I say it because the bulk of of

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Speaker 4: African American culture or whatnot is in defiance and white supremacy.

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Speaker 4: We our culture is rooted in defiance and strength to

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Speaker 4: the power structure. If we if it wasn't for racism,

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Speaker 4: we wouldn't need Black History Month, because because our history

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Speaker 4: would truly be accepted as as as American history. But

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Speaker 4: because it's always under attack, we have we have Black

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Speaker 4: History Month, uh and Negro History Week which started one

577
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Speaker 4: hundred years ago in order to protect and educate these

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Speaker 4: these kids and to remind the adults, you know, that

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Speaker 4: that that our answers to think out here and bleed

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Speaker 4: for nothing, you know, and and and that that's why

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Speaker 4: we that's why we have the Frederick Douglas Birthday celebration

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Speaker 4: every year.

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Speaker 3: You know this year.

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Speaker 4: This this Saturday right there.

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Speaker 1: I let you we're come up on a break. I

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Speaker 1: like you talk about Frederick Dodugas, the event that you're

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Speaker 1: having for your relative, Frederick Douglas. It's black history and

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Speaker 1: family that we're talking about. Black is She mentioned Morgan

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Speaker 1: Freeman and this, this is a prime example. Give me

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Speaker 1: another chance to explain to you how the system of

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Speaker 1: racist and white supremacy works. Well, Morgan free Mooney is doing.

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Speaker 1: It's doing exactly what the what they wanted to do. See,

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Speaker 1: they they if they can use one of us to

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Speaker 1: beat us down, to discredit us, then Dwayne Alloway do

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Speaker 1: that you mentioned. That's how it works. They caught up

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Speaker 1: in the system. Anything that they they approve of, you know,

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Speaker 1: that's the and you're doing the work for them so

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Speaker 1: they don't have to do it. They can use one

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Speaker 1: of us, whether it be insulting one of us so

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Speaker 1: fighting against each other all of that, or putting us down.

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Speaker 1: That's when you're caught up in the system of racism

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Speaker 1: and white supremacy. I put it that way because when

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Speaker 1: doctor Welson mentioned it first, and I said at a

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Speaker 1: caller after the program the first time, I said, Doc,

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Speaker 1: don't I don't get it. Break it down for me

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Speaker 1: so I can understand it. Because he was confused. Guys,

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Speaker 1: I was hooked on on the supreme thing and white

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Speaker 1: people down. You know, I was going on, and I says, No,

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Speaker 1: if you are doing something the white folks approve of

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Speaker 1: and they like and they salute you, then you're caught

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Speaker 1: up in the system of racism, white supremacy. That's why

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Speaker 1: they said nearly. Fuller says, if you don't understand how

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Speaker 1: it works, that everything you think you understand only serves

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Speaker 1: the confusion. I hope people understand what I'm just saying,

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Speaker 1: what Terrence told us about Morgan Freeman. Anyway, as I mentioned,

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Speaker 1: you got to step as down and get Oh let's Terrence.

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Speaker 1: I like to respond when we get back with racing

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Speaker 1: the clock here, we got to check the news, traffic,

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Speaker 1: we're in our different cities. When we come back, I'll

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Speaker 1: let you respond. Family YouTube can join us. Just reach

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Speaker 1: out to us at eight hundred and four five zero

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Speaker 1: seventy eight seventy six of them. Take your calls for

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Speaker 1: Terrence Bailey until we check the news, trafficking, weather in

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Speaker 1: our different cities. Listen next and Grand Rising family. Thanks

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Speaker 1: for starting your Tuesday with us. At sixteen minutes away

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Speaker 1: from the top, they are with our guess, the direct

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Speaker 1: descendant of Frederick Douglas. His name is Terrence Bailey, and

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Speaker 1: he's he's I need to keep the legacy of Frederick

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Speaker 1: douggis alive. So we're going to get more of that

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Speaker 1: when we get back in a moment. But let me

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Speaker 1: just remind you come up later this morning, we're gonna

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Speaker 1: speak with Grill Babbla La Buoma. Baba la Bomba always

633
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Speaker 1: has these thought provoking topics for us discussing this time around,

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Speaker 1: he's he's going to talk about the real meaning of

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Speaker 1: freedom through the eyes of Black history. We continued to

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Speaker 1: about our black history theme. Doctor Tarian Right's gonna be here.

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Speaker 1: We shed a lot of book of T. Washington's contributions

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Speaker 1: to our history. And later this week, well let's continue

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Speaker 1: to talk about black history. We're going to have quins

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Speaker 1: of creator Doctor Milana Krenga, one of our Grills also

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Speaker 1: met a physician master herbalist. Doctor b will be here

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Speaker 1: along with music historian Bill Carpenter and Harrod Tummans. Relative

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Speaker 1: if a tonight of Cuffey would also Johnnys. So if

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Speaker 1: you are in Baltimore and make sure you keep that

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Speaker 1: radio lot and tied on ten ten to b Alb.

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Speaker 1: Or if you're in the DMV, here run fourteen fifteen

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Speaker 1: w L. All right, Terrence. So I cut you off

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Speaker 1: when we were going towards New so I'll let you

649
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:13,759
Speaker 1: finish your thought.

650
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:20,920
Speaker 4: You were talking about Morgan Freeman, and I'm pretty much

651
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 4: playing a game that uh the I remember my elders,

652
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:28,120
Speaker 4: you know, someone passed on and whatnot. They used to

653
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:35,440
Speaker 4: call that being an acceptable negro, and you know, and

654
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:37,920
Speaker 4: they always I was always told that something you should

655
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 4: never seek to be, uh is there is eyes of

656
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:47,280
Speaker 4: white supremacy to be an acceptable negro.

657
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 1: And I think that's what it is, Terryce. He's quote

658
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 1: unquote made it, whatever that means. So he's wonder why

659
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:55,560
Speaker 1: the rest of us can't make it. You know, they

660
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 1: always allowed one or two people to get through the

661
00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:00,480
Speaker 1: opris and that kind of folks that get through and

662
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 1: and but down the rest of us, and they look

663
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:04,239
Speaker 1: at us and say, why can't you be like them?

664
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 8: Yeah?

665
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 4: But see that that that's that that's that old uh

666
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:16,400
Speaker 4: slave slave master, slave master and enslaved mentality where the

667
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 4: white man would look at what would look at a

668
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:22,360
Speaker 4: rebellious enslaved African and say, why can't you be like

669
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 4: John over there? John John John does what he's told.

670
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:28,080
Speaker 4: You know, he takes he takes the cows out, He

671
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:31,320
Speaker 4: does his his his three hundred pounds of the cotton

672
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:33,640
Speaker 4: the day like he's supposed to. But you you, you

673
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:35,520
Speaker 4: you you trouble. I got it, you know.

674
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 3: But I'm gonna learn you do.

675
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:39,280
Speaker 4: I'm gonna learn you and and you know that's that's

676
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:42,239
Speaker 4: that slave mentality. You know, uh uh do you go out?

677
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:44,120
Speaker 4: You gonna hear? Oh, well, why I did it?

678
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:44,479
Speaker 9: Boss?

679
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 8: Let me in.

680
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:47,399
Speaker 4: He'll let you into if you just do what you're

681
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:51,719
Speaker 4: supposed to do. But that's that's that's been an acceptable

682
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 4: negro and we should that that's that's bowing to white say,

683
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:58,160
Speaker 4: that's that's bowing to to to your oppressor. And that's

684
00:35:58,360 --> 00:35:59,240
Speaker 4: never okay.

685
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:02,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, we we just wanted to get in the same

686
00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 1: predictum as them has calling him out. But we just

687
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:07,760
Speaker 1: mentioned them. But let's talk about the legacy.

688
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 5: Though.

689
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 1: For Frederick Douglass, you're trying to do there in Maryland,

690
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:13,759
Speaker 1: explain what you what you wanted to do so they

691
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 1: will always remember. Let me say this, I just got

692
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:19,760
Speaker 1: a note from some one of our listeners said showing

693
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 1: me that Frederick Douglas on his second trip overseas, he

694
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 1: went to Egypt. You know, he went to Africa. Egypt

695
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 1: is still Africa. They also wrote a letter to the

696
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:31,400
Speaker 1: Library of Congress and spotlighting his ties to Ireland. So

697
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:35,399
Speaker 1: Frederick Douglas was was was big cheese back in the day.

698
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:38,600
Speaker 1: He's rubbing shoulders with the president. Can you you want

699
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:39,840
Speaker 1: to address that first, Trence.

700
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:45,319
Speaker 4: Yeah, he was for a man that never stepped foot

701
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 4: in a classroom. He he could he could go, he

702
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:53,640
Speaker 4: could go with PhD level of people in conversation and

703
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:56,000
Speaker 4: go tip for tap for you know, me and knowledge

704
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:58,719
Speaker 4: or whatnot. He traveled the world, but you know he

705
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 4: he he was forced to start traveling the world at

706
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:05,399
Speaker 4: first in order to save his own life and could

707
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:07,160
Speaker 4: not be taken back. That that would tell you how

708
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:09,759
Speaker 4: how determined that he was that he was not going

709
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:12,080
Speaker 4: to go back in the bondage, that he would leave

710
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 4: the country and go sit and go sit in another

711
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:17,280
Speaker 4: and go go sit sit down there another in another country,

712
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:19,840
Speaker 4: you know, in the in Ireland, in the middle of

713
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 4: a famine, you know, uh, the the the trip, the

714
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:29,320
Speaker 4: trip to Egypt. There's a story behind that. There was

715
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 4: there was my aunt Anna had passed away, and there

716
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:35,400
Speaker 4: was a lady I believe, I believe, over in England

717
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:39,880
Speaker 4: that really was in love with uh with with with

718
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:40,640
Speaker 4: uncle Frederick.

719
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:42,440
Speaker 3: And when when when? When?

720
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:46,040
Speaker 4: When his wife passed, I guess she assumed that Uncle

721
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:48,840
Speaker 4: Frederick was going to be with her and he didn't.

722
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:53,719
Speaker 4: He married Anna pits. That lady committed suicide and left

723
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:57,480
Speaker 4: him all of her money. She the Ouncle Frederick took

724
00:37:57,520 --> 00:37:59,320
Speaker 4: that money and took his new wife and went on

725
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:00,360
Speaker 4: a vacation Egypt.

726
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:04,719
Speaker 1: Oh wow, that's a story. I did not know that.

727
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:06,840
Speaker 4: Let me ask you what what?

728
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:09,479
Speaker 1: And thank you for sharing that. When did you find

729
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:12,279
Speaker 1: out that you were related to Frederick Douglas? Why didn't

730
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:16,320
Speaker 1: your relatives tell you that? And when did you start researching?

731
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:19,280
Speaker 1: So obviously if they may have passed down some stories,

732
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:22,160
Speaker 1: well you probably did your own research as well.

733
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:26,040
Speaker 4: I was, I was thirty thirty four, I was, I was,

734
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 4: I was in my early thirties when I found out

735
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:35,759
Speaker 4: because my great grandmother Pearl Bailey, uh was was was

736
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 4: the connection to Uncle fresh She was Perry Bailey's great granddaughter,

737
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 4: and she living on the Eastern Shore of Maryland. I

738
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 4: was born in seventy five. I'm only fifty obvious fifty

739
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 4: one in April, uh, sort of late seventies, eighties, early

740
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:55,120
Speaker 4: nineties and whatnot. The Eastern Shore of Maryland was not

741
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 4: a place that if you are a member of the

742
00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:00,240
Speaker 4: of that of this family or the Harriet Tubman fanamily,

743
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 4: that the elders wanted you out on the street broadcasting

744
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:05,600
Speaker 4: it around white folks because it wasn't safe to do.

745
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:05,800
Speaker 3: So.

746
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:08,759
Speaker 4: They didn't even really teach it in the schools like that.

747
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:11,200
Speaker 4: They they taught Frederick Douglas and Harriet Tubman as if

748
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 4: it happened in Georgia or Mississippi, when actually Frederick Douglass

749
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:17,719
Speaker 4: stood on the same property where the school was actually at.

750
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 3: You know that they they did.

751
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:22,279
Speaker 4: They didn't want any of us getting any ideas. They

752
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:24,960
Speaker 4: didn't teach it. Uh, you know, they they only touched

753
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:26,640
Speaker 4: on it. They made it like it was far away

754
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:30,359
Speaker 4: our family members, our elders did not if you asked,

755
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:32,839
Speaker 4: if you asked one of the elders, who is your mama,

756
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:34,360
Speaker 4: who is your daddy? They was why he was in

757
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:36,680
Speaker 4: my business, child's child staying a child place. They wouldn't

758
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 4: tell us nothing. It was my It was my my uncle,

759
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:43,760
Speaker 4: my grandfather's younger brother who started who was the family historian.

760
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:45,279
Speaker 4: He was a career. I got a people he want

761
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:48,840
Speaker 4: a purple heart in Korea, and he was he was

762
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:51,759
Speaker 4: the family uh crill. He was the one that that

763
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:54,600
Speaker 4: kept that kept the history. And I learned everything from

764
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 4: him and the research.

765
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:01,320
Speaker 1: Anything you learned from the this sort of startled you

766
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:03,600
Speaker 1: that you go, wow, did you get any any of

767
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:05,959
Speaker 1: those stories? You had the wow? Fact?

768
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:11,520
Speaker 4: When when when they when they were dividing up the slaves,

769
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:14,600
Speaker 4: I can't remember who who died one of the one

770
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:16,399
Speaker 4: of the slave one of the slave owners that died

771
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 4: or something. And then and then they start dividing up

772
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:23,960
Speaker 4: the the the the property slaves. And they were sending

773
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:28,440
Speaker 4: my great grandmother Lucy to a plantation in Texas, and

774
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:32,760
Speaker 4: uh my my great grandfather of Perry, who was Frederick

775
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:38,360
Speaker 4: Dougas's brother, begged them not to not to uh separate

776
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:40,880
Speaker 4: them and and and not to send her to Texas

777
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:43,200
Speaker 4: or you know, or or to send him out of Maryland.

778
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:45,320
Speaker 4: And he and he you know, he cried. You know,

779
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:50,759
Speaker 4: he broke down and Thomas Auld, the slave master, Thomas Auld,

780
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:54,319
Speaker 4: beat my great grandfather within the inch of his life,

781
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:57,759
Speaker 4: telling him you will go where I send you. When

782
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:01,160
Speaker 4: I read that story, I you know that that that

783
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:03,840
Speaker 4: struck me. And then and then the fact that my

784
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 4: he sold my grandmother to a plantation out and I

785
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 4: think it's called out near College Station in Texas.

786
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 1: Oh wow, I mean these stories you're gonna pass out

787
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:17,440
Speaker 1: to your chi Let me go ahead.

788
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 4: Terrence, and then fred and then Uncle Frederick. After after

789
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:23,680
Speaker 4: the Civil War and everything, Uncle Frederick paid for paid

790
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:28,280
Speaker 4: for their transportation to go from College Station UH to Rochester,

791
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:32,400
Speaker 4: New York, and that's where they reunited. Ocle Frederick had

792
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:35,480
Speaker 4: sent some money there to to have them brought to Rochester.

793
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:37,480
Speaker 4: But then my grandfather didn't like it. They were too

794
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:40,320
Speaker 4: cold in Rochester. He came back to tater Shorgan, Maryland.

795
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:43,400
Speaker 4: But he had that When I found out about that,

796
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:46,480
Speaker 4: about that beating, that that did something to me.

797
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:51,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, it would too. One of my relatives direct relatives,

798
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:54,120
Speaker 1: ate away from the topic. He talked about the Eastern

799
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:57,239
Speaker 1: Shore and Maryland and the late Patrician Newton, one of

800
00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 1: one of our grails here a psychiatrist. She said, that's

801
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:04,200
Speaker 1: when they had breeding farms in the Eastern Shore where

802
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 1: they you know, they treat us like cattle. So we'd

803
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:09,200
Speaker 1: be sleeping with their brothers, sister, mother, and son, sleeping

804
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:12,280
Speaker 1: with each other to create more slaves. Did your research

805
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 1: show you anything about that, Terrence.

806
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:20,279
Speaker 4: That's why there's so many baileyes. When people ask me,

807
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:22,680
Speaker 4: he well, are you lated sorrow sauce, I'm like, hey,

808
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:25,160
Speaker 4: I couldn't tell you. I'm like that they are. There

809
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 4: are a lot of bellies because of slave breeding on

810
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:29,160
Speaker 4: the Eastern Shore. They say Baltimore is one of the

811
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 4: most ancestral cities in the country because a lot of

812
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:34,560
Speaker 4: those a lot of the ancestors that that that Wichard

813
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 4: Baltimore come from the Eastern Shore. Two of the largest

814
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:40,440
Speaker 4: sleep slave breeding plantations in the nation. One of them

815
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:42,279
Speaker 4: was on Eastern Shore of Maryland and the other one

816
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:45,879
Speaker 4: was in Richmond, Virginia. They rivaled each other. One one

817
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:50,879
Speaker 4: was called a Devil's half Acre. Uh When when? When?

818
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:55,520
Speaker 4: When uh Thomas All took Uncle Frederick to Edward Kobe

819
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:58,840
Speaker 4: the slave breaker, He gave a slave breaker two rules.

820
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 4: He said that you cannot kill him, and don't make

821
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:07,200
Speaker 4: no more of him. Oh wow, so you can't be

822
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 4: he especially said, do not breed it.

823
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:15,279
Speaker 1: Wow, because they're trying to get studs. Are people gonna

824
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:17,360
Speaker 1: understand this? This is how they treat us as cattle.

825
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 1: Back then, we were less than a man. You know,

826
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 1: we weren't a man, we weren't citizens, we were we

827
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:26,880
Speaker 1: were just a step up above cattle, below human beings.

828
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:30,759
Speaker 1: And and and as Maya Angelo said, and still we rise,

829
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 1: and all that they were trying to keep us down,

830
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:35,040
Speaker 1: and still we rise. Man, there are some great stories

831
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:37,080
Speaker 1: you're sharing with us this morning, Terrence.

832
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 4: Well look, you know, you know something else too that's

833
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:43,400
Speaker 4: coming back. That's coming back to bike, coming back to

834
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 4: bite the descendants of the of the slave, of the

835
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:49,239
Speaker 4: slave masters in more ways than one, because you look,

836
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:51,840
Speaker 4: look at look at all of the pro app the

837
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:57,320
Speaker 4: pro sports. We we rule every pro sport, every sport

838
00:43:57,360 --> 00:44:00,480
Speaker 4: we get into, we take it over because and a

839
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:01,880
Speaker 4: lot of people don't want to admit it, but that

840
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 4: is a product of that slave breeding because they've read

841
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:06,920
Speaker 4: the biggest and strongest of us.

842
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:07,880
Speaker 8: Uh uh.

843
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 4: It's you know, to get basically what you see now,

844
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:14,200
Speaker 4: that's why that's why African Americans dominate pretty much the

845
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:19,080
Speaker 4: entire world when it comes to athletics. Yeah, and then

846
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 4: and then they complained that they they can't get into

847
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:24,879
Speaker 4: into into major league sports, like hey.

848
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:29,279
Speaker 1: When you did this right, but here again again back then,

849
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:34,239
Speaker 1: Now that we can call it the franchises plantations because

850
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 1: you know, none of the owners who owned these teams

851
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:43,640
Speaker 1: look like us. You know, we can look at it

852
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:44,040
Speaker 1: that way.

853
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:49,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I mean, I remember, was it last season?

854
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 4: Jamie Fox was sitting in the stands next to the

855
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:56,960
Speaker 4: the Cowboys, uh, the Cowboys owner, and he was reading

856
00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:59,880
Speaker 4: off of a sheet where he where he read? He

857
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:01,799
Speaker 4: he read the particular player's height.

858
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:07,280
Speaker 10: Wait and private area size?

859
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:10,080
Speaker 3: What that that?

860
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:12,239
Speaker 4: And and and Jamie Fox tried to hurry up and

861
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 4: turn the camera off, but it was the name Jerry

862
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:18,520
Speaker 4: Jerry Jones read that he sat there. He said that

863
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:21,640
Speaker 4: read off that man's stats, not as a football player,

864
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:24,880
Speaker 4: but as a piece of property. Why would you be

865
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 4: measuring this man's manhood and why would you have it

866
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:30,080
Speaker 4: on a piece of paper as another grown man? I

867
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:32,960
Speaker 4: don't you know it's I mean, he's on he's on

868
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:34,759
Speaker 4: your football team. You're the owner of the team. So

869
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 4: you you got stats on this guy as if you

870
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 4: owned him, like you that that is what they would

871
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:40,600
Speaker 4: do on a slave block.

872
00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:45,759
Speaker 1: Well that's probably how he felt. He feels like he

873
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:46,920
Speaker 1: like he owns him.

874
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:52,800
Speaker 4: You know, go ahead, Well he told him, you remember that,

875
00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 4: you remember was doing the height of the Kaepernick era.

876
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:59,080
Speaker 4: He told everybody on that Dallas Cowboys team, if you kneel,

877
00:45:59,239 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 4: you're unemployed.

878
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:04,160
Speaker 1: They and they obeyed.

879
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 4: Yep, he kept an iron grip on that team. He

880
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 4: keeps an iron, iron grip. He's heat worse than Dan Snyder.

881
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:16,560
Speaker 1: All that thought about that, we got check the traffick

882
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:18,200
Speaker 1: and weather three minutes away from the top of They

883
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:20,960
Speaker 1: have family Terrence Bailey's. I guess it's relative of Frederick

884
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:24,080
Speaker 1: Douglas and he's keeping his his relatives legacy alive. So

885
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:25,680
Speaker 1: we'll tell you when we get back there. Let's tell

886
00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:27,440
Speaker 1: us of the program that he's doing to keep his

887
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:29,719
Speaker 1: legacy alive and how you can get involved. So I

888
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:31,719
Speaker 1: mentioned it's three away from the top rails, So let's

889
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:33,920
Speaker 1: check the trafficing weather at different cities and we'll come

890
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:35,520
Speaker 1: back with If you want to speak with Terrence, reach

891
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:38,600
Speaker 1: out to us at eight hundred four five zero, seventy eight,

892
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 1: seventy six, and we take the calls next and Grand

893
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:43,360
Speaker 1: Rising Family, thanks for starting your Tuesday with us and

894
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:46,880
Speaker 1: our guest Terrence Bailey, Director Center of Frederick Douglas, and

895
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:49,880
Speaker 1: he's giving him some information about how he's working to

896
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:53,080
Speaker 1: keep his Frederick Douglass his legacy alive. And we talked

897
00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:55,520
Speaker 1: about the Eastern Shore. We talked about the fact how

898
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:59,520
Speaker 1: important Black history is for us as a people. And

899
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:02,680
Speaker 1: I keep asking that had we been born then back then,

900
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:04,560
Speaker 1: this is some of the stuff that we have to

901
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:08,000
Speaker 1: go through and our answerss They made it with all

902
00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:10,359
Speaker 1: the things that they all the obstacles, the hurdles they

903
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 1: put in front of them. We're a special people family

904
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:15,319
Speaker 1: and they're still doing it today because they know if

905
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:18,440
Speaker 1: we ever ever ever can come together on one page

906
00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:20,759
Speaker 1: like they are that Neelie Fuller talks about, they stay

907
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:23,760
Speaker 1: on code. Basically, that's what Neelie Fuller is saying, if

908
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:26,080
Speaker 1: we could ever do that, and we don't need everybody,

909
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:30,040
Speaker 1: We just need a critical mass to just think on

910
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:32,160
Speaker 1: the same recurre. We don't have to be lockstep and

911
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:35,200
Speaker 1: every issue, but just when it comes to us, you know,

912
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:37,960
Speaker 1: if we could do that. It's game over. They know that,

913
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:40,960
Speaker 1: but most of us don't know that. But but Terrence,

914
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:43,200
Speaker 1: you before I let you go, tell us about the

915
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:45,799
Speaker 1: project that you're working on right now, which is one

916
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:47,840
Speaker 1: of our listeners donated and we thank her again. That

917
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:51,520
Speaker 1: would be Sonya Foggy, thank you for making that donation. So, Terrence,

918
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:54,520
Speaker 1: what is that project that you're working for and how

919
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:56,600
Speaker 1: can do you need any more help? And if so,

920
00:47:56,760 --> 00:47:57,560
Speaker 1: how can we reach you?

921
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:01,759
Speaker 4: We need we need all the help we can get that.

922
00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:05,520
Speaker 4: It's the Anna Mury Douglas UH Visitor and Heritage Center.

923
00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:07,719
Speaker 4: It's going to be in Denton, Maryland. Hopefully we go

924
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:09,160
Speaker 4: to closing by the end of the month.

925
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:09,799
Speaker 10: UH.

926
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:15,640
Speaker 4: This weekend is the two hundred Saturday is the two

927
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:20,480
Speaker 4: hundred and eighth Birthday Celebration of Frederick Douglas Gala in

928
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:23,920
Speaker 4: Eastern Maryland at the Waterfowl Building, forty South Harrison Street,

929
00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:28,400
Speaker 4: Eastern Maryland. Tickets are on sale at fdhill dot org.

930
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:32,200
Speaker 4: Now that that that's our annual galla to benefit the

931
00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:36,080
Speaker 4: UH the initiatives, which one of them is this weekend

932
00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:39,279
Speaker 4: will be the launch of the Frederick Douglas Society of

933
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:44,000
Speaker 4: African American History, culture and Affairs of the Greater Chesapeake.

934
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:47,439
Speaker 4: It's a historical society to encompass the entire Eastern Shore,

935
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:52,960
Speaker 4: with the executive board being comprised of black legacy family

936
00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:57,480
Speaker 4: representatives of the Frederick Douglass family, Harriet Tubman family, doctor

937
00:48:57,560 --> 00:49:02,680
Speaker 4: James Steele, Alex Haley, Ben Alexander Wyman, Reverend Natt Turner,

938
00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:06,920
Speaker 4: and Malcolm x And we're still recruiting more legacy families

939
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:11,239
Speaker 4: to be on this board. We're trying to build a

940
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:15,800
Speaker 4: multi million dollar African American cultural center in the Hill Community,

941
00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:18,640
Speaker 4: the oldest free black community still in existence in the

942
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:24,080
Speaker 4: United States. UH, complete with trade programs, HBCU sidellite offices

943
00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:26,600
Speaker 4: and UH and and everything.

944
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:28,120
Speaker 3: We need.

945
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:30,080
Speaker 9: UH.

946
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:34,319
Speaker 4: We need black dollars, we need we we we want

947
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:37,719
Speaker 4: our people to come out and support this and and

948
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:39,920
Speaker 4: and be and be a part of it. If you

949
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:42,400
Speaker 4: don't have if you don't have the money to donate,

950
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:48,360
Speaker 4: volunteer this event. This weekend. We still have one hundred

951
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:52,799
Speaker 4: seats not filled and we're just days away from the event.

952
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:53,560
Speaker 9: UH.

953
00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:57,360
Speaker 4: Black History Month was established to celebrate Frederick Douglass in

954
00:49:57,400 --> 00:50:01,680
Speaker 4: Abraham Lincoln. This event is off Deduction's Birthday in Black

955
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:07,160
Speaker 4: History Month in his hometown Eastern Maryland on Saturday is

956
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:08,920
Speaker 4: the place to be. We want, we we need every

957
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:10,239
Speaker 4: we we need everybody to come in.

958
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:10,960
Speaker 10: Uh.

959
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:15,080
Speaker 4: We we have Donel Floyds band was featuring Donel Floyd

960
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:17,880
Speaker 4: We uh, we have it's Valentine's dates. We have a

961
00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:21,160
Speaker 4: flooris for the flowers, for the ladies. We have it's

962
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:24,560
Speaker 4: a catered plate at meal. It's formal. We ask all

963
00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:27,440
Speaker 4: members of the diaspora to come at traditional West African clothes.

964
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:30,320
Speaker 4: We're gonna turn the Eastern Shore into Wakanda just for

965
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:34,239
Speaker 4: a day and we're we're gonna have a good time.

966
00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:36,879
Speaker 4: And as as Tom Johner used to say, we're gonna

967
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:37,760
Speaker 4: party with a purpose.

968
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Speaker 1: All right, So so how can folks you have more information?

969
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:47,840
Speaker 4: Terrence Hill or yes, are you? You can reach me

970
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:54,520
Speaker 4: by text? Uh nine four zero one five three eight one.

971
00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:58,120
Speaker 4: And you know, if you if you got something to contribute,

972
00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:01,000
Speaker 4: you know, I don't even if it's a text message.

973
00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:04,080
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying to say, keep it up,

974
00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:09,040
Speaker 4: you know, because it's it's uh. You know, anybody who

975
00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:11,640
Speaker 4: does nonprofit work, you know, nonprofit work is a is

976
00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:15,080
Speaker 4: a lonely route. Uh, you know, it's You're just it's like,

977
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:17,799
Speaker 4: you know, I'm I'm the type of person that don't

978
00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:20,480
Speaker 4: like asking people for stuff and doing a nonprofit thing

979
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:24,439
Speaker 4: makes you feel like a professional beggar. But these things

980
00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:25,920
Speaker 4: got to get done. If I was a rich man,

981
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:29,200
Speaker 4: I write to check myself, but I'm not. So we

982
00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:31,120
Speaker 4: we we we have to lean on the community and

983
00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:33,279
Speaker 4: it does and it doesn't mean as much if it's

984
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:35,640
Speaker 4: if it's not done in the collective of the community

985
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:38,239
Speaker 4: in the first place. My personal opinion, you know, we

986
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:39,560
Speaker 4: all should be able to stand in front of that

987
00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:43,080
Speaker 4: building when it's built and say I did that individually.

988
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:46,920
Speaker 1: Exactly, and I totally agree. And that's why I want

989
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:48,640
Speaker 1: to shout out against so many of one of our

990
00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:52,200
Speaker 1: listeners who provided the seed money to get that started. Uh, thanker,

991
00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:54,600
Speaker 1: And we need some more Sonia focus out there. So

992
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:57,200
Speaker 1: Sonia for the rest of the family, we just want

993
00:51:57,239 --> 00:51:59,360
Speaker 1: to thank you for what you did. And that's just

994
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:01,479
Speaker 1: what you know, this is, this is how it works. Family.

995
00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:03,719
Speaker 1: Somebody heard that terms the last time we was on

996
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:06,000
Speaker 1: and he was talking about doing this and she just

997
00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:07,960
Speaker 1: wrote the check for the seed money to get it started.

998
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:11,000
Speaker 1: So again, thank you, Sonya for doing that anything else

999
00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:12,280
Speaker 1: before we let you do with Terrence.

1000
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:15,080
Speaker 4: And we're gonna we're gonna make sure that her name

1001
00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:16,400
Speaker 4: is in that building somewhere.

1002
00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:17,400
Speaker 3: Uh.

1003
00:52:17,560 --> 00:52:19,799
Speaker 4: If we if we have to do a media room

1004
00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:23,440
Speaker 4: and name it the Sonya Foggy Media Room, her name

1005
00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:24,960
Speaker 4: is going to be in there somewhere because she was

1006
00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:28,279
Speaker 4: the only one, and and and she she's a she's

1007
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:32,360
Speaker 4: a senior and you know so, Uh, we're going to

1008
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:35,200
Speaker 4: make sure that her name is spoken in generations to

1009
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:38,560
Speaker 4: come to I appreciate, I appreciate the time to come

1010
00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:41,719
Speaker 4: on the show man, I read I ready, thank you,

1011
00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:43,480
Speaker 4: thank you for the support, No.

1012
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:46,520
Speaker 1: Thank you for keeping his legacy alive, because you know,

1013
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:48,920
Speaker 1: we just learned a lot about Frederick Douglas today did

1014
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:50,800
Speaker 1: not know about. And this is what it's all about.

1015
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:53,520
Speaker 1: If we don't tell our stories, as you mentioned, somebody

1016
00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:55,640
Speaker 1: else will tell a story and dilute it and change

1017
00:52:55,680 --> 00:52:58,080
Speaker 1: it around. So we have to have people like yourself

1018
00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:00,680
Speaker 1: and doctor Tarnian Wright who's on deck to tell these

1019
00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:04,280
Speaker 1: stories so our youngsters can understand, because other folks are

1020
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:07,400
Speaker 1: trying to get in here and put some some something

1021
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:09,319
Speaker 1: in the kool aid to stop out people from thinking

1022
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:12,000
Speaker 1: that we're ever we ever did we did anything. We're

1023
00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:16,000
Speaker 1: exceptional people. All the hurdles, all the roadblocks, all the

1024
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:18,520
Speaker 1: pitfalls they said for us, and we're still here. Not

1025
00:53:18,680 --> 00:53:21,640
Speaker 1: only is still here, we're exceeding because they know there's

1026
00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:24,239
Speaker 1: a greatness. We're special people. That's a lot I can

1027
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:26,840
Speaker 1: say because if I don't think they could have survived

1028
00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:29,759
Speaker 1: what they've done to us. So let's put it like that.

1029
00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:32,520
Speaker 1: But but Terrence, thank you, sir, thank you.

1030
00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:33,080
Speaker 8: For what you do.

1031
00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:36,800
Speaker 4: I like to say one more thing too, because this

1032
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:39,879
Speaker 4: is something that that I've experienced. And you know, when

1033
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:43,360
Speaker 4: when you when you when you don't donate to to

1034
00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:47,600
Speaker 4: to black organizations, and and then and then other people

1035
00:53:47,719 --> 00:53:51,399
Speaker 4: do like like to say, say you're trying to raise

1036
00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:54,480
Speaker 4: money for a sculpture or or a mural or something

1037
00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:57,319
Speaker 4: like that, and you don't and it's it's it's it's

1038
00:53:57,440 --> 00:54:00,960
Speaker 4: dedicated to you know, a black hero. You can't get

1039
00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:03,560
Speaker 4: mad if you didn't donate. And the artists who ends

1040
00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:06,040
Speaker 4: up doing the sculpture or the mirror is ends up

1041
00:54:06,080 --> 00:54:09,120
Speaker 4: being a white artist. Don't get don't get mad with

1042
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:10,680
Speaker 4: the non problem. Why doe you go get that? Why

1043
00:54:10,719 --> 00:54:12,520
Speaker 4: you couldn't find a black man to paint that a

1044
00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:14,400
Speaker 4: black woman. You couldn't find a black artist to do

1045
00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:20,120
Speaker 4: that sculpture. If you didn't donate or or or come

1046
00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:25,640
Speaker 4: and volunteer and help you, please don't do that. Don't

1047
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:28,239
Speaker 4: don't go to them and scold them for uh, you know,

1048
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:31,560
Speaker 4: because because to get that done, to get up there

1049
00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:34,120
Speaker 4: and pound the payment, to get the money to get

1050
00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:36,560
Speaker 4: that done is a feat within itself. Don't come and

1051
00:54:36,600 --> 00:54:39,239
Speaker 4: criticize them about who what the artists they used? When

1052
00:54:39,600 --> 00:54:42,200
Speaker 4: when if they got one hundred thousand dollars, five thousand

1053
00:54:42,239 --> 00:54:44,839
Speaker 4: dollars out of it was black with black dollars. That's

1054
00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:48,120
Speaker 4: not fair. We need everybody to come out and support

1055
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:51,319
Speaker 4: these black issues Black History Month. You know, we see

1056
00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:53,040
Speaker 4: what Donald Trump is doing. This is two years in

1057
00:54:53,080 --> 00:54:55,719
Speaker 4: a row. Donald Trump has attacked us in Maryland two

1058
00:54:55,800 --> 00:54:57,840
Speaker 4: years in a row during Black History Money attacked us

1059
00:54:57,880 --> 00:54:59,680
Speaker 4: last year. It calls us to have to cancel the

1060
00:54:59,719 --> 00:55:02,200
Speaker 4: fresh he told his birthday parade, and then he detected

1061
00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:06,480
Speaker 4: Wes Moore this this year, disinviting him to a conference

1062
00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:09,919
Speaker 4: that he's he's the vice chair of You're doing Black

1063
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:11,280
Speaker 4: Chester Money. He's on a black Governor.

1064
00:55:12,560 --> 00:55:13,680
Speaker 3: We this.

1065
00:55:14,680 --> 00:55:16,759
Speaker 4: If this doesn't galvel us us, nothing will.

1066
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:21,560
Speaker 1: I think it will. Terrence, I'm counting on my fut

1067
00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:23,400
Speaker 1: able to do it. But thank you again for sharing

1068
00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:24,600
Speaker 1: your thoughts with us this morning.

1069
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:26,680
Speaker 4: All right, I appreciate it.

1070
00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:28,640
Speaker 1: Man. I have a good day, all right, and let

1071
00:55:28,719 --> 00:55:30,680
Speaker 1: us know how it turns out. It's Terrence Bailey family.

1072
00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:34,279
Speaker 1: He's a director descendant of Frederick Douglas and building a

1073
00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:36,640
Speaker 1: project of a project on the way to help Frederick

1074
00:55:36,680 --> 00:55:38,279
Speaker 1: Douglas and one of our listeners and put up the

1075
00:55:38,320 --> 00:55:40,360
Speaker 1: seed money to get it going. All let's turn our

1076
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:44,080
Speaker 1: attention to the next and next hero. Now of the

1077
00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:47,680
Speaker 1: donation information as somebody wants to repeat, well, Kevin, let

1078
00:55:47,719 --> 00:55:49,160
Speaker 1: me let me just give it because he gave out

1079
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Speaker 1: his number. It's nine one five four zero one, five

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Speaker 1: three eight one. So the person who wanted who wants

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Speaker 1: to help him make a donation to it, you know,

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Speaker 1: just texts, uh, just a Texas, Terrence said a nine

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Speaker 1: one five four zero one, five three eight one. That

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Speaker 1: was the number he gave out. Anyway, let's turn out

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Speaker 1: totention now to doctor Tyrene, right, doctor Wright grand Rising,

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Speaker 1: welcome back to the program.

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Speaker 11: Good morning, Good morning.

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Speaker 7: Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 1: And family. Doctor Wright is an educator and she's done

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Speaker 1: an extensive research into Uh, I just I just lost

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Speaker 1: them my thought here just extensive read Washington to Washington.

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00:56:28,520 --> 00:56:32,880
Speaker 1: How could I forget Booker T? Done extensive research into

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00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:35,040
Speaker 1: Booker T. Washington. You know, this is Black History Month

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Speaker 1: and Doctor Wright was telling the family that this is

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Speaker 1: the centennial year for Black History Month, one hundred years

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Speaker 1: and we started and you know, when you talk about

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Speaker 1: Booker T. Booker T was fundamental in what he did

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Speaker 1: for our history, but also we want to talk about

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00:56:49,040 --> 00:56:51,439
Speaker 1: did he ever did Who are some of the people

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Speaker 1: that other leaders back in the day that you know

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Speaker 1: worked with Booker T. Or even those who had a

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00:56:56,600 --> 00:56:57,440
Speaker 1: problem with Booker T.

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Speaker 11: Yes, you have had, of course, none other than W. E. B. Dubois.

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Speaker 11: You had the arrival facilitated by Booker T. Washington of

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00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:15,359
Speaker 11: Marcus Garvey. And you also had all three of them

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00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:22,400
Speaker 11: aligned against those very controversial piece of legislation in nineteen fifteen,

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00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:28,480
Speaker 11: and all of them, meaning Monroe, Trotter, Dubois, and Washington

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00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:33,040
Speaker 11: all aligned against the African exclusion measure that was eventually

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Speaker 11: defeated in the House of representatives, So he had contact

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Speaker 11: with all those and many more on the continent of Africa,

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00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:46,000
Speaker 11: you know South African founding members of the ANC. He

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Speaker 11: was in touch with people like Dousei Muhammad Ali, who

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00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:55,520
Speaker 11: was a well known black nationalist on the continent. Out

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Speaker 11: of Nigeria. He would have the a paper similar to

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00:58:01,520 --> 00:58:05,240
Speaker 11: Garvey's paper called The African Times, an orient Review. And

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00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:07,760
Speaker 11: he was also a member of the UNI A. So

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Speaker 11: there were numerous people who were leaders at that time

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00:58:13,120 --> 00:58:16,920
Speaker 11: and coalestion with Booker T. Washington at one point or

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Speaker 11: another for our greater good.

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Speaker 1: What was the issue though? For those who his detractors,

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00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:25,760
Speaker 1: what do they say? What were they? What would they?

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Speaker 1: You know, what the concernative about what Booker T. Washington did?

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Speaker 1: Why did they dislike him or dislike what he was doing?

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Speaker 11: Yes, well, Washington's public facing persona was one of the accommodationists.

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Speaker 11: But the reality is that most people didn't know what

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Speaker 11: Booker T. Washington was up to. It's not until the

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Speaker 11: release of his personal papers in nineteen seventy and the

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Speaker 11: editing of those same papers by the liter Area of

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Speaker 11: Congress that we find out that he was up to

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00:59:01,560 --> 00:59:05,760
Speaker 11: far more than we knew during his time he would

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00:59:07,080 --> 00:59:11,920
Speaker 11: be propagandizing against the atrocities in the Congo Free State

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Speaker 11: under King Leopold. He would he would make connections with,

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Speaker 11: like I said, numerous African nationalists in South Africa, guiding

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Speaker 11: them an establishing institutions similar to Tuskegee. He would encourage

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Speaker 11: and then facilitate the arrival of students from Liberia to

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Speaker 11: study at Tuskegee and bring Tuskegee methods back to the

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Speaker 11: continent to build I mean, he would also be involved

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Speaker 11: in establishing schools in Liberia, and we know today Liberia

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Speaker 11: has a Booker T. Washington School also. So there was

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Speaker 11: so much he was involved in. But primarily the two

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00:59:59,440 --> 01:00:03,240
Speaker 11: prominent or silient cases in his personal papers is the

1142
01:00:03,320 --> 01:00:07,000
Speaker 11: fact that he was heavily involved in the survival of

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Speaker 11: Liberia in a case that ranged from nineteen oh seven

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Speaker 11: to nineteen twelve. And he would be the most powerful

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Speaker 11: proponent against this African exclusion measure that he would facilitate

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Speaker 11: in deceiting in the Congress in nineteen fifteen. Hence the

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01:00:30,040 --> 01:00:34,520
Speaker 11: reason why we could have black and African immigration to

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Speaker 11: the United States from any part of the world by

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Speaker 11: other black people Washington was the one who attacked this

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Speaker 11: piece of legislation that was designed to exclude anyone from

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Speaker 11: the black or African race from the United States forever. Well,

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Speaker 11: we find that out, yeah.

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Speaker 1: Because weve got to step aside from few months. When

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Speaker 1: we come back though, tell us, doctor Wright, if anybody

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Speaker 1: supported that act and what did the boy did? Well,

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Speaker 1: I'm sure Garvey didn't because he wasn't here. But with

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Speaker 1: the other leaders at the time, did they support it

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01:01:13,720 --> 01:01:15,919
Speaker 1: the act? Do they want to keep out black folks

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Speaker 1: coming to this country? Family, We're celebrating black history as

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Speaker 1: we do at twenty four to seven on this program.

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Speaker 1: Today we're educator doctor Tyrene Wright. You want to talk

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Speaker 1: about Book of T just reach out to us at

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Speaker 1: eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight seventy six

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Speaker 1: and we'll take your phone calls next and Grant Rising family,

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Speaker 1: thanks for rolling with us on this Tuesday morning with

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Speaker 1: our guest educator, doctor Tyrene Wright. As I mentioned, doctor

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Speaker 1: Wright has done an extensive research into the Book of T.

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Speaker 1: Washington's and he has the book about Book of T.

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Speaker 1: I before we left the question we're talking about the

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Speaker 1: African Exclusion Measure. I wanted to find out from a

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Speaker 1: doctor Wright if any of the people under the prominent

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Speaker 1: people of that time supported that act. That act would

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Speaker 1: keep out Africans, any black people from coming to this country.

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Speaker 1: So doctor Wright, your response, yes, Actually.

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Speaker 11: There were several others who were involved in opposing that

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01:02:05,200 --> 01:02:10,000
Speaker 11: piece of legislation which was which was actually an amendment

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Speaker 11: to the larger immigration bill. And on this rare occasion,

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Speaker 11: du bois doctor du Bois Monroe Trotter. So many people

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Speaker 11: know about Monroe Trotter's activism against Booker T. Washington, But

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Speaker 11: in this instance, all three of them are aligned against

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Speaker 11: opposing against this piece of legislation which said to exclude

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Speaker 11: anyone of the black or African race from the United

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Speaker 11: States forever, indefinitely. And they were all aligned. But the

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Speaker 11: difference was that Washington had a mechanism, He had his disposal.

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Speaker 11: He had something called the Tuskegee Machine, which was his

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01:02:55,720 --> 01:03:00,360
Speaker 11: secret network of power brokers who would go to Washington, DC,

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Speaker 11: enter the House and be there to lobby representatives to

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Speaker 11: oppose and vote against this piece of racist legislation.

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Speaker 10: So that was the measure.

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Speaker 11: But in the public realm, all three of them were aligned.

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Speaker 11: Trotters do boys and Washington against this piece of legislation,

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Speaker 11: and articles about it would appear in the black press,

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Speaker 11: because that would be Washington's first action in opposing the measure.

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Speaker 11: He would go to the black press and publicize the

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Speaker 11: fact that this piece of legislation would become before the House,

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Speaker 11: come before the House the first week of January nineteen fifteen.

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Speaker 11: And so yes, to answer your questions, they were aligned

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Speaker 11: people who were generally in opposition to each other in

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Speaker 11: the public realm by this time nineteen fifteen, and they

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Speaker 11: were all aligned in opposition to this racist piece of legislation.

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Speaker 1: Well, let me ask you this on the flip side,

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Speaker 1: where any prominent blacks approved of this legislation where they

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Speaker 1: want to close the door on some of us the

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Speaker 1: rest of our book.

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Speaker 9: No, no, no, no.

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Speaker 11: There would be no black leader that would come out

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Speaker 11: in support of this piece of legislation in the public realm,

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Speaker 11: And to be quite frank, many would probably not even

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01:04:37,960 --> 01:04:41,400
Speaker 11: realize that it was coming before the House. It was

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Speaker 11: very covert, and the only reason Washington himself would have

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01:04:46,600 --> 01:04:51,720
Speaker 11: known was because he followed the congressional record. He followed

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01:04:52,240 --> 01:04:57,280
Speaker 11: the publications that let you see what would come before

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Speaker 11: the Senate or what the Senate had proposed then passed,

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Speaker 11: and then what was going to come up in front

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Speaker 11: of the Congress at the time or before the Congress

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Speaker 11: at the time. And so he found this out privately,

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01:05:12,200 --> 01:05:15,320
Speaker 11: was able to confirm it, and it was it was

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Speaker 11: a matter of the Senate, Senate legislation. So in other words,

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Speaker 11: the Senate is the first to signal the presence of

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Speaker 11: such legislation. They would pass on December thirty first, the

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Speaker 11: last day of the year nineteen fourteen, a piece of

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Speaker 11: legislation which would be this amendment to the larger immigration

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Speaker 11: bill that said exclude anyone of the black or African race.

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Speaker 11: That was already passed in the Senate. And this is

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Speaker 11: what alerted Washington to the fact that it would come

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Speaker 11: before the House the first week in January. So the

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Speaker 11: Senate sort of worked secretly to some extent and pass proposed, voted,

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Speaker 11: and passed this piece of legislation, and then on its

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Speaker 11: way to the House is where Washington finds out about

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01:06:13,640 --> 01:06:18,680
Speaker 11: it and is able to, you know, organize air them

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Speaker 11: out in the black press, so to speak, as we say,

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Speaker 11: they aired them aired out this particular piece of legislation

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Speaker 11: and propagandized in the Black press, which many know. This

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01:06:36,280 --> 01:06:40,040
Speaker 11: was a point of contention for some, particularly the Boys,

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01:06:40,400 --> 01:06:43,480
Speaker 11: the fact that Washington had so much control of the

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Speaker 11: Black press. But in this instance he in this instance,

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Speaker 11: he would use it to challenge the very government and

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Speaker 11: it's you know, legislators who sometimes in the thought and

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01:07:02,000 --> 01:07:06,680
Speaker 11: not so recent past, well he advised. Right. So we

1240
01:07:06,800 --> 01:07:10,480
Speaker 11: know that by this time nineteen fifteen, he had already

1241
01:07:10,600 --> 01:07:15,760
Speaker 11: been an advisor to two American presidents. But when the

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Speaker 11: moment comes for him to challenge the very government, its officials,

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Speaker 11: and you know, the leadership president, he does. In other words,

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Speaker 11: in the case of the Congo Free State, although he's

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01:07:30,200 --> 01:07:36,240
Speaker 11: an advisor to Theodore Roosevelt, he is challenging Roosevelt and

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01:07:36,480 --> 01:07:40,360
Speaker 11: others on the issue of the Congo because he becomes

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Speaker 11: a lobbyist himself, and he takes office in the Friends

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Speaker 11: of the Congo. He would be the vice president of

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Speaker 11: the Friends of the Congo organization that still exists to

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Speaker 11: this day. So Washington in that case and in the

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Speaker 11: African Exclusion measure, he would assume a posture that many

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01:08:06,760 --> 01:08:10,760
Speaker 11: people had not seen him in publicly. Right, So he

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01:08:10,920 --> 01:08:14,840
Speaker 11: does this all behind the scenes clandestinely. And we know

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01:08:15,040 --> 01:08:18,160
Speaker 11: this for a fact. We have no speculation here. We

1255
01:08:18,439 --> 01:08:21,519
Speaker 11: know this for a fact because this is all in

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Speaker 11: his personal papers, which were opened up in nineteen seventy.

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Speaker 1: All right, hold up, all right there, professor right. Well,

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01:08:30,000 --> 01:08:33,519
Speaker 1: twenty eight minutes after the top, they are discussing discussing

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01:08:33,680 --> 01:08:36,080
Speaker 1: Booker T Washington with doctor Tyrn right, and she's done

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Speaker 1: a lot of research on Booker T. She's also got

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Speaker 1: a book of that. Booker T. Will tear about the

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01:08:39,479 --> 01:08:42,280
Speaker 1: book before she leaves. But Mark from Baltimore City has

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01:08:42,320 --> 01:08:44,760
Speaker 1: a question for her. He'sh online too, Grand rise in Mark,

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01:08:44,800 --> 01:08:46,120
Speaker 1: you're on with doctor Tyrene Wright.

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Speaker 12: Yes, the good morning, a very fast saying discussion. Well,

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01:08:50,360 --> 01:08:52,960
Speaker 12: it was proven last Thursday or Friday, I forgot which

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01:08:53,040 --> 01:08:56,799
Speaker 12: day from Washington that the we know is the official

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01:08:56,880 --> 01:09:00,680
Speaker 12: that unfortunately, the current White House regime is the very

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01:09:00,720 --> 01:09:03,600
Speaker 12: big racial tendency in a lot of different areas. And

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Speaker 12: even the Republican, the only African American who's a Senate

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01:09:11,080 --> 01:09:13,280
Speaker 12: who is a Republican even a met and cried out

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01:09:13,439 --> 01:09:17,599
Speaker 12: against the racial injustice coming up from sixteen hundred Pennsylvania Avenue.

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01:09:17,840 --> 01:09:20,320
Speaker 12: So let me ask you if Burgert Washington was alive today,

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01:09:20,360 --> 01:09:23,639
Speaker 12: what would he tell the Orange Air about a few

1275
01:09:23,720 --> 01:09:26,599
Speaker 12: things to do about what racism ass and that it's

1276
01:09:26,680 --> 01:09:29,200
Speaker 12: wrong and whatever? How would he go about it versus

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Speaker 12: nineteen fifteen but instead of here in twenty five or

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01:09:32,760 --> 01:09:33,800
Speaker 12: one hundred and ten years later?

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01:09:33,920 --> 01:09:36,479
Speaker 1: What do you think, Bob before you go for a

1280
01:09:36,520 --> 01:09:38,280
Speaker 1: doctor right? Answered the question. I got a question for you.

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01:09:38,360 --> 01:09:40,800
Speaker 1: It's a white person. When you saw that where you offended.

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01:09:42,320 --> 01:09:42,360
Speaker 3: Me?

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01:09:43,000 --> 01:09:45,400
Speaker 12: Oh, I definitely was offended to make a characature of

1284
01:09:45,479 --> 01:09:51,000
Speaker 12: a former president Barack Obama and Missus Obama and all

1285
01:09:51,080 --> 01:09:54,400
Speaker 12: that that's wrong because they were laders in their own

1286
01:09:54,479 --> 01:09:57,400
Speaker 12: right during that period for eight years a few years ago.

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01:09:57,600 --> 01:10:03,400
Speaker 12: And that's to make a chandra, as we say in Yiddish,

1288
01:10:03,760 --> 01:10:07,200
Speaker 12: of his record, of his record from eight years of

1289
01:10:07,240 --> 01:10:10,680
Speaker 12: president say way back when that was really disgusting. So

1290
01:10:11,160 --> 01:10:13,799
Speaker 12: but to bring race into it, because that was really horrible.

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Speaker 12: So all around, So I just wonder what with book

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Speaker 12: A T what what what would he do in this

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Speaker 12: case if he can, if you can even approach the

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Speaker 12: oun chair.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, thanks Mark, because you know, doctor right. So it's

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01:10:28,320 --> 01:10:30,920
Speaker 1: not silence, but it hasn't been a lot of outcry

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Speaker 1: from white folks about what the Mark is talking about. Mark,

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01:10:34,640 --> 01:10:36,519
Speaker 1: he was upset with it. And that's why I asked

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Speaker 1: him that question, because you know, I don't know a

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Speaker 1: lot of white folks can ask the question like that.

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Speaker 1: I'm just you know what they think. We know we

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Speaker 1: know what Donald Trump thinks, but do they think like him?

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Speaker 1: And that's why I asked that question. But you can,

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01:10:49,080 --> 01:10:51,040
Speaker 1: you can answer his question that he posed to you.

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Speaker 11: I think Washington would have opposed it. But Washington's uh

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01:10:56,880 --> 01:11:04,160
Speaker 11: method of challenging politicians was usually done very clandestinely behind

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01:11:04,240 --> 01:11:07,040
Speaker 11: the scenes. This is why we don't know about the

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01:11:07,120 --> 01:11:11,400
Speaker 11: African Exclusion measure, because even though he challenged them, he

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01:11:11,600 --> 01:11:16,800
Speaker 11: sent his secret network there to directly pull the Congress. Okay,

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01:11:16,960 --> 01:11:21,440
Speaker 11: so it wasn't just lobbying. He directly had his lieutenants

1311
01:11:21,479 --> 01:11:25,920
Speaker 11: in the Tuskegee Machine pull the Congress so that they

1312
01:11:25,960 --> 01:11:29,960
Speaker 11: could see who were the individuals in Congress who were

1313
01:11:30,040 --> 01:11:33,960
Speaker 11: in support and in opposition of this piece of legislation.

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Speaker 11: And even after they successfully defeat the African Exclusion Measure

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01:11:40,400 --> 01:11:44,559
Speaker 11: the amendment to the Larger Immigration Bill, he doesn't publicly

1316
01:11:44,680 --> 01:11:47,960
Speaker 11: announce it. They're all aware that it is his effort,

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01:11:48,320 --> 01:11:53,360
Speaker 11: but he doesn't publicly announce it. He just propagandized against it.

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01:11:53,840 --> 01:11:57,439
Speaker 11: And then you know, of course, they were aware of

1319
01:11:57,640 --> 01:12:02,839
Speaker 11: their victory privately. So I think even now Washington probably

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01:12:03,040 --> 01:12:10,559
Speaker 11: would have directly challenged US officials and even the president

1321
01:12:10,800 --> 01:12:14,599
Speaker 11: in this case where the African exclusion measure was an issue.

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Speaker 11: Washington admits in his private communications that if all had failed,

1323
01:12:22,600 --> 01:12:26,360
Speaker 11: he would have gone directly to Woodrow Wilson, a president

1324
01:12:26,479 --> 01:12:30,160
Speaker 11: he did not advise and who was an avaled racist.

1325
01:12:30,720 --> 01:12:34,519
Speaker 11: But he states that he would have gone directly to

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01:12:35,040 --> 01:12:39,960
Speaker 11: Woodrow Wilson and demanded that he vetoed this piece of legislation.

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01:12:40,920 --> 01:12:43,599
Speaker 11: In other words, he would have thrown all his weight,

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01:12:44,040 --> 01:12:47,200
Speaker 11: all the history, all the weight that he had in

1329
01:12:47,400 --> 01:12:54,000
Speaker 11: his time, during his history, against this racist piece of legislation,

1330
01:12:54,360 --> 01:12:57,360
Speaker 11: in terms of going directly to the President of the

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01:12:57,479 --> 01:13:00,600
Speaker 11: United States and saying you must veto this. This is

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Speaker 11: overtly racist and we're not going to stand for it.

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Speaker 11: But I will say this, there were many people in

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01:13:10,040 --> 01:13:14,760
Speaker 11: the Congress that would before and against this piece of legislation.

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Speaker 11: The book, my book, Booker t. Washington in Africa features

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01:13:19,479 --> 01:13:21,960
Speaker 11: a portion of this, but I do have another version

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01:13:22,000 --> 01:13:26,560
Speaker 11: of the book where I give a larger piece of

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01:13:26,720 --> 01:13:30,240
Speaker 11: the conversation. It was a battle on the floor of

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Speaker 11: the House of Representatives for and against African immigration, African

1340
01:13:36,320 --> 01:13:39,639
Speaker 11: and black immigration to the United States. So to really

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01:13:39,840 --> 01:13:45,200
Speaker 11: revise my answer, yes, there were plenty of US officials

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01:13:45,280 --> 01:13:51,920
Speaker 11: who supported this legislation, and their literal words are in

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01:13:52,120 --> 01:13:56,960
Speaker 11: the congressional records supporting the exclusion of black and African

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01:13:57,080 --> 01:14:02,439
Speaker 11: people from this country. But there are many others who

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01:14:02,680 --> 01:14:08,320
Speaker 11: are in opposition to the piece of legislation that was proposed,

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01:14:08,439 --> 01:14:12,759
Speaker 11: and they too go on record in support of African

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01:14:12,880 --> 01:14:16,800
Speaker 11: and black immigration to the United States. And so one

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Speaker 11: of the things that I recently was sharing with some

1349
01:14:21,000 --> 01:14:27,960
Speaker 11: individuals was the fact that Northern representatives tend to in

1350
01:14:28,080 --> 01:14:34,479
Speaker 11: this instance, tended to support or oppose the legislation and

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01:14:34,880 --> 01:14:39,160
Speaker 11: support black people in this country. And their arguments are

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01:14:39,320 --> 01:14:43,960
Speaker 11: to the effect that the black population has made significant

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Speaker 11: contributions and strides in the last fifty years. It had

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01:14:48,120 --> 01:14:52,720
Speaker 11: only been fifty years since emancipation, and black people were

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01:14:52,800 --> 01:14:59,200
Speaker 11: in every industry. They were the creators, they were the

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Speaker 11: intellectuals in various industries, and certainly the skilled persons and

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01:15:07,120 --> 01:15:12,200
Speaker 11: so one of the representative talks about the fact that

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Speaker 11: there is no other story like the story of black

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Speaker 11: people in America. It is an epic story, he says,

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01:15:20,080 --> 01:15:23,960
Speaker 11: he's using that he used that language, an epics, epic story.

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Speaker 11: And if it were any other people, we would be

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01:15:27,040 --> 01:15:31,800
Speaker 11: praising these people and their story and their victory over

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01:15:31,960 --> 01:15:37,519
Speaker 11: slavery and their progress post enslavement. But because it was

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01:15:37,800 --> 01:15:43,519
Speaker 11: this marginalized group that they had created so much around,

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01:15:43,840 --> 01:15:47,880
Speaker 11: meaning off the backs of black people, we have been

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01:15:47,920 --> 01:15:52,160
Speaker 11: the human capital. Because of the fact that this is

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01:15:52,240 --> 01:15:56,919
Speaker 11: a designated population that had been consistently exploited and oppressed,

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01:15:57,400 --> 01:16:00,320
Speaker 11: they were not going to say much about this group's

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01:16:00,400 --> 01:16:05,360
Speaker 11: progress because that was not anticipated. But both sides are

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01:16:05,479 --> 01:16:09,599
Speaker 11: fully aware of the progress and the presence of black

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01:16:09,680 --> 01:16:13,280
Speaker 11: people in every industry, and it makes a lot of sense. Right,

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01:16:13,840 --> 01:16:18,719
Speaker 11: we were enslaved in every industry in the United States,

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Speaker 11: and so certainly we would be the skilled persons, we

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01:16:22,120 --> 01:16:25,840
Speaker 11: would have no how in numerous industries, and we would

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Speaker 11: also advance ourselves intellectually and otherwise post enslavement. And they

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01:16:31,040 --> 01:16:35,519
Speaker 11: knew this. This is documented in the congressional record, and

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Speaker 11: so it's a ferocious debate over Africans and black immigration

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Speaker 11: to the United States at that moment in time. That's very,

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Speaker 11: very revealing. So to answer your question, yes, there are

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Speaker 11: people who oppose, there are people who support it. None

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01:16:55,160 --> 01:16:58,000
Speaker 11: of this would make the public realm in terms of

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Speaker 11: their actual work or words, except that the article Booker T.

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01:17:05,560 --> 01:17:11,160
Speaker 11: Washington would circulate and write opposing this piece of legislation

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01:17:11,320 --> 01:17:14,439
Speaker 11: would be echoed on the floor of the House by

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Speaker 11: Representative a Congressman from New York named Congressman Calder and

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01:17:21,560 --> 01:17:27,000
Speaker 11: he would take the content of Washington's article and that

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Speaker 11: would become his statement on the floor of the House

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01:17:30,439 --> 01:17:34,240
Speaker 11: in opposition to the African exclusion measure.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Hold, that's all right there. We got to check the

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01:17:37,000 --> 01:17:39,320
Speaker 1: news trafficking with in our different cities when we come back, though,

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Speaker 1: doctor Wright, I wanted to talk about the differences between

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01:17:43,080 --> 01:17:47,120
Speaker 1: Booker T. Washington and UH and also du Bois was

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01:17:47,479 --> 01:17:49,599
Speaker 1: what was that grievance? Was it was it a personal

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01:17:49,720 --> 01:17:51,880
Speaker 1: thing or was it was it a policy that he's

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01:17:51,920 --> 01:17:53,800
Speaker 1: agreed on. I'll did you share that with us As

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Speaker 1: we continue to celebrate African American History Month or African

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Speaker 1: Black Heritage Month or African Heritage Month, and some people

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Speaker 1: say we should call it. What are your thoughts? Family,

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01:18:03,240 --> 01:18:04,920
Speaker 1: You want to get in on this conversation with doctor

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01:18:04,960 --> 01:18:07,560
Speaker 1: Tynyan right. She's an educator teachers at college level in

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01:18:07,640 --> 01:18:09,599
Speaker 1: New York City. Reach out to us at eight hundred

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01:18:09,720 --> 01:18:12,760
Speaker 1: four or five zero seventy eight seventy six, and we'll

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01:18:12,800 --> 01:18:15,759
Speaker 1: take your phone calls to take check the news, sports

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01:18:15,800 --> 01:18:18,320
Speaker 1: and Weatherlet's neck and grand rising family. Thanks for staying

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01:18:18,320 --> 01:18:20,479
Speaker 1: with us on this Tuesday morning. At sixteen minutes away

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01:18:20,479 --> 01:18:22,519
Speaker 1: from the top. They are with doctor Tyree Wrights. He's

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01:18:22,520 --> 01:18:25,519
Speaker 1: an educator and her research is to allow scholarship work

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01:18:25,680 --> 01:18:28,000
Speaker 1: on Booker T. Washington. You want to join our conversation,

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01:18:28,160 --> 01:18:30,000
Speaker 1: reach out to us at eight hundred four or five

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01:18:30,160 --> 01:18:32,880
Speaker 1: zero seventy eight seventy six. Before we go back to

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01:18:32,920 --> 01:18:34,559
Speaker 1: doctor Wright, though, let me just remind you come up.

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01:18:34,680 --> 01:18:37,400
Speaker 1: Later this morning, we speak with Babla Lamba. Babla Lamum

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01:18:37,520 --> 01:18:40,880
Speaker 1: was one of our grios. He meets with folks at

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01:18:40,960 --> 01:18:44,880
Speaker 1: the Elders and they discuss certain events and ideas and

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01:18:44,920 --> 01:18:49,240
Speaker 1: he comes back and we have provocative, thought provoking discussions

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01:18:49,280 --> 01:18:51,599
Speaker 1: on the radio. Before that. Later this week, though, we're

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01:18:51,600 --> 01:18:54,120
Speaker 1: going to hear from Quanta creator doctor Malana Kerenger also

1419
01:18:54,200 --> 01:18:56,680
Speaker 1: met a physician and master herbalist, Doctor b will be here.

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01:18:57,040 --> 01:19:00,200
Speaker 1: Music historian Bill Competer will join us, and also one

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01:19:00,240 --> 01:19:02,840
Speaker 1: of Harry Tubman's relatives, Tony Cuff, is going to be

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01:19:02,920 --> 01:19:04,599
Speaker 1: with us as well. So if you are in Baltimore

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01:19:04,960 --> 01:19:07,200
Speaker 1: and your radios are on ten ten w LB, keep

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01:19:07,240 --> 01:19:10,160
Speaker 1: it locked right there in the DMV era on fourteen fifteen,

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01:19:10,320 --> 01:19:14,360
Speaker 1: w ol Doctor Wright. Before we answer the question about

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Speaker 1: the discussion the differences between Booker T and and also,

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01:19:20,479 --> 01:19:25,880
Speaker 1: oh gosh, you boys, two boys. I got some folks

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01:19:25,880 --> 01:19:26,880
Speaker 1: who want to talk to you, and I got some

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01:19:26,920 --> 01:19:28,560
Speaker 1: tweet questions for you as well, so I want to

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01:19:28,640 --> 01:19:31,640
Speaker 1: do that before we talk about the boy. John is

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01:19:31,760 --> 01:19:34,120
Speaker 1: in Washington has a question about a book of T's online.

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01:19:34,160 --> 01:19:36,000
Speaker 1: Two Grand Ras, John.

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01:19:35,840 --> 01:19:41,160
Speaker 5: You're with doctor Tyrean Wright, grand Rising, Good morning.

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01:19:43,080 --> 01:19:47,840
Speaker 3: Yes, I want to say a happy Black History Year.

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01:19:48,680 --> 01:19:54,360
Speaker 3: Every day is black history. I wanted you to talk about,

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01:19:54,840 --> 01:19:57,799
Speaker 3: I don't know if you're aware of it, the movie

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01:19:58,560 --> 01:20:06,960
Speaker 3: Rag Time when it was bringing a highlighting the racism

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01:20:07,240 --> 01:20:12,479
Speaker 3: in Kisco, New York. When Booker T played a piece

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01:20:12,640 --> 01:20:16,640
Speaker 3: of that, Booker T was highlighted in that movie, and

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01:20:17,080 --> 01:20:20,040
Speaker 3: anyone who haven't seen that, that's a good movie to

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01:20:20,920 --> 01:20:24,800
Speaker 3: sit your children down and watch that. And I want

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01:20:24,840 --> 01:20:27,160
Speaker 3: you to if you're not aware of the movie, I

1443
01:20:27,200 --> 01:20:30,439
Speaker 3: would like for you to talk about that movie and

1444
01:20:31,479 --> 01:20:34,200
Speaker 3: Booker T's role in that. Even though it was a

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01:20:34,280 --> 01:20:37,720
Speaker 3: small piece, it was a serious movie that I think

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01:20:37,760 --> 01:20:38,760
Speaker 3: we should take a look at.

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01:20:40,520 --> 01:20:44,719
Speaker 11: Okay, well, actually I probably saw that movie a long

1448
01:20:44,840 --> 01:20:49,040
Speaker 11: time ago, and I do not remember the moment a

1449
01:20:49,240 --> 01:20:51,200
Speaker 11: feature or discussed Booker T.

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01:20:51,479 --> 01:20:51,919
Speaker 13: Washington.

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01:20:52,040 --> 01:20:54,400
Speaker 11: Can you revisit that particular scene?

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01:20:54,680 --> 01:21:00,960
Speaker 3: Okay? What happened was it was a how Rollins played

1453
01:21:01,240 --> 01:21:06,280
Speaker 3: as Cole hill Walker. He was a pianost black like

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01:21:06,680 --> 01:21:11,880
Speaker 3: pianost and he was like a very good played ragtime

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01:21:12,080 --> 01:21:17,240
Speaker 3: music and he had Debbie Allen was his to be wife,

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01:21:18,400 --> 01:21:24,400
Speaker 3: and he was in his uh, fancy automobile at that time,

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01:21:25,360 --> 01:21:29,560
Speaker 3: a real top flight, you know, fancy card. He was

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01:21:29,640 --> 01:21:34,600
Speaker 3: coming down the street and the fire engine which was

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01:21:34,720 --> 01:21:41,200
Speaker 3: the Irish fire station, they put the put they put

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01:21:41,280 --> 01:21:44,320
Speaker 3: the when he was coming down the street, they blocked

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01:21:44,400 --> 01:21:48,759
Speaker 3: his path and left the fire engine blocking the street.

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01:21:49,439 --> 01:21:52,720
Speaker 3: So he nicely asked him could they move it? Very

1463
01:21:52,880 --> 01:21:57,959
Speaker 3: nicely at that racist time, and they, you know, basically

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01:21:58,680 --> 01:22:03,360
Speaker 3: marked him his car because they were jealous of his car.

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01:22:04,439 --> 01:22:06,360
Speaker 3: And then he went and got the police officer and

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01:22:06,520 --> 01:22:09,400
Speaker 3: came back and they had put they had moved his

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01:22:09,560 --> 01:22:16,519
Speaker 3: car and put horsemanure on his seat, and he wanted

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01:22:16,560 --> 01:22:20,800
Speaker 3: his car cleaned up by them, and they ended up

1469
01:22:21,000 --> 01:22:25,680
Speaker 3: arresting him. Then, long story short, he didn't get the

1470
01:22:25,960 --> 01:22:29,640
Speaker 3: justice that he wanted. To try to take it to

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01:22:30,040 --> 01:22:34,160
Speaker 3: all the highest courts and they rejected him. And then

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01:22:34,240 --> 01:22:41,240
Speaker 3: he went on a Nat Turner kind of uprise against

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01:22:41,760 --> 01:22:46,080
Speaker 3: all fire stations blowing him up with bombs, and then

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Speaker 3: took over the like the Congress Library of Congress where

1475
01:22:50,680 --> 01:22:56,439
Speaker 3: all these very expensive artifacts were. And then they brought

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01:22:56,520 --> 01:23:01,040
Speaker 3: in and they bought in Booker t to talk him

1477
01:23:01,120 --> 01:23:04,560
Speaker 3: out of it. Like he didn't he didn't take hostages,

1478
01:23:04,640 --> 01:23:09,280
Speaker 3: but that library was a very significant piece of art,

1479
01:23:10,400 --> 01:23:14,439
Speaker 3: and they bought Booker T in to try to talk

1480
01:23:14,560 --> 01:23:18,000
Speaker 3: him out to surrender himself. It was a very good

1481
01:23:18,120 --> 01:23:21,000
Speaker 3: movie and it touched on a lot of things. It

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01:23:21,120 --> 01:23:25,840
Speaker 3: came out in nineteen eighty one to highlight racism in

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01:23:26,080 --> 01:23:28,200
Speaker 3: New York City in Costco, New York.

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01:23:28,720 --> 01:23:31,840
Speaker 14: So I think you know, Jon was the time of

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01:23:31,880 --> 01:23:38,240
Speaker 14: that movie again, what did you say, brother, time? Ragtime

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01:23:38,600 --> 01:23:44,480
Speaker 14: It's called Ragtime came out nineteen eighty one with how Rollins.

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Speaker 3: Who passed away, and he played a very good role

1488
01:23:49,680 --> 01:23:50,719
Speaker 3: in that and then they.

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01:23:53,960 --> 01:23:55,600
Speaker 1: I want to get her to respond, John, and I

1490
01:23:55,680 --> 01:23:57,599
Speaker 1: think if for your call, I heard about the movie,

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01:23:58,040 --> 01:23:59,439
Speaker 1: but like you touched right, I don't.

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01:24:00,920 --> 01:24:04,679
Speaker 3: Less, brother, They killed Debbie Allen in that movie seeking

1493
01:24:04,920 --> 01:24:08,240
Speaker 3: justice for her husband, so by the police officers.

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01:24:08,320 --> 01:24:12,680
Speaker 1: So that's it, brother, Thanks John ten away from the

1495
01:24:12,680 --> 01:24:13,960
Speaker 1: top of it. Doctor Wright, you want to respond to

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01:24:13,960 --> 01:24:14,320
Speaker 1: anything there?

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01:24:15,120 --> 01:24:18,400
Speaker 11: Yes, it's so funny because I'm familiar with the film,

1498
01:24:18,479 --> 01:24:22,320
Speaker 11: but of course haven't seen it in decades as well,

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01:24:22,840 --> 01:24:26,640
Speaker 11: So thank you for the refresher on the film. But

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01:24:26,840 --> 01:24:29,840
Speaker 11: I think, you know, listen to Washington's method, like I

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01:24:29,920 --> 01:24:36,680
Speaker 11: said before, was really a clandestine method to resolving conflicts

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01:24:36,800 --> 01:24:40,240
Speaker 11: and problems. Now, he was not afraid of confrontation, as

1503
01:24:40,360 --> 01:24:44,120
Speaker 11: I noted in the African Exclusion measure. He would have

1504
01:24:44,280 --> 01:24:49,559
Speaker 11: gone directly to Woodrow Wilson and demanded for a veto

1505
01:24:49,880 --> 01:24:53,360
Speaker 11: of this piece of legislation. However, I think in the

1506
01:24:53,479 --> 01:24:59,080
Speaker 11: case you know how he's utilized in the film Ragtime,

1507
01:24:59,479 --> 01:25:03,519
Speaker 11: he seems to be utilized to keep peace and to

1508
01:25:03,920 --> 01:25:06,400
Speaker 11: have this individual stand down.

1509
01:25:06,920 --> 01:25:07,160
Speaker 4: Listen.

1510
01:25:07,560 --> 01:25:14,479
Speaker 11: Washington was very well known for presenting a public face

1511
01:25:14,600 --> 01:25:18,720
Speaker 11: that was masked, right masked with a mask on it,

1512
01:25:20,040 --> 01:25:24,120
Speaker 11: and that was some people would say he was very deceptive.

1513
01:25:24,280 --> 01:25:28,840
Speaker 11: One of his key biographers Lewis Harlan, which is very

1514
01:25:28,960 --> 01:25:33,000
Speaker 11: problematic because he was a white man who was Washington's

1515
01:25:33,920 --> 01:25:39,920
Speaker 11: main biographer, not by choice but circumstance and interest. But

1516
01:25:40,960 --> 01:25:45,200
Speaker 11: Washington seldom presented his true face to the public realm.

1517
01:25:45,680 --> 01:25:49,679
Speaker 11: And so there are a number of cases where, for instance,

1518
01:25:50,000 --> 01:25:58,479
Speaker 11: someone has been apprehended, possibly with the intention to lench

1519
01:25:58,960 --> 01:26:05,000
Speaker 11: have them lynched, and Washington has publicly said no asylum

1520
01:26:05,280 --> 01:26:10,360
Speaker 11: to these individuals. There was an attorney who asked for

1521
01:26:10,640 --> 01:26:15,639
Speaker 11: protection asylum in Tuskegee because, as Lina Richie talks about,

1522
01:26:15,760 --> 01:26:21,240
Speaker 11: Tuskegee was certainly a bubble, a black bubble of safety

1523
01:26:21,520 --> 01:26:29,000
Speaker 11: for making county residents and a light. But Washington never

1524
01:26:30,439 --> 01:26:37,160
Speaker 11: gave asylum to this attorney who was being targeted publicly. Publicly,

1525
01:26:37,320 --> 01:26:41,200
Speaker 11: he said no, that the person could not have asylum

1526
01:26:41,280 --> 01:26:45,760
Speaker 11: in Tuskegee and get protection and be brought to Tuskegee.

1527
01:26:45,840 --> 01:26:52,960
Speaker 11: But privately, he provided medical care for this individual and

1528
01:26:53,120 --> 01:26:57,920
Speaker 11: afforded them asylum somewhere else, okay. And of course this

1529
01:26:58,200 --> 01:27:02,080
Speaker 11: was probably done through the Skeegee machine, his power brokers.

1530
01:27:02,360 --> 01:27:06,200
Speaker 11: So there you have it. Washington probably in a situation,

1531
01:27:06,400 --> 01:27:09,559
Speaker 11: and I know that that was a fictional possibly based

1532
01:27:09,600 --> 01:27:15,759
Speaker 11: on true stories, but a dramatizational or a fictional story

1533
01:27:16,240 --> 01:27:20,080
Speaker 11: in ragtime, but very likely he probably would have given

1534
01:27:20,200 --> 01:27:24,679
Speaker 11: his peaceful, accommodationist face to the public, to the press,

1535
01:27:25,240 --> 01:27:30,560
Speaker 11: and then quietly did something quite different in terms of

1536
01:27:31,240 --> 01:27:36,360
Speaker 11: providing some measure of justice behind the scenes. And that

1537
01:27:36,600 --> 01:27:38,519
Speaker 11: was the way he did things. He was.

1538
01:27:40,439 --> 01:27:41,080
Speaker 8: He was not.

1539
01:27:43,280 --> 01:27:47,800
Speaker 11: How are you transparent in what he was doing in

1540
01:27:47,920 --> 01:27:51,800
Speaker 11: the public realm? Okay? And that was what was at

1541
01:27:51,840 --> 01:27:54,560
Speaker 11: the heart of the issue with so many of his

1542
01:27:55,880 --> 01:28:00,800
Speaker 11: public adversaries. He would say Dubois was a public would

1543
01:28:00,880 --> 01:28:06,400
Speaker 11: become a public adversary, you know, Torotto was a public adversary.

1544
01:28:06,680 --> 01:28:10,640
Speaker 11: But very often in the case, like we discussed the

1545
01:28:10,800 --> 01:28:14,760
Speaker 11: African exclusion measure, they are all aligned. So what is

1546
01:28:14,880 --> 01:28:20,040
Speaker 11: going on behind the scenes during those that period in

1547
01:28:20,240 --> 01:28:24,360
Speaker 11: history is very different than what is happening in the

1548
01:28:24,520 --> 01:28:29,960
Speaker 11: public realm, particularly when Washington is a player in the

1549
01:28:30,080 --> 01:28:31,480
Speaker 11: situation or scenario.

1550
01:28:32,560 --> 01:28:34,320
Speaker 1: All right, well, I thought there. I got two tweet

1551
01:28:34,400 --> 01:28:37,559
Speaker 1: questions for you, and that's the first roun. I'll let

1552
01:28:37,560 --> 01:28:38,720
Speaker 1: you think about it because we got to take a

1553
01:28:38,760 --> 01:28:41,280
Speaker 1: break and check the trafficking weather in different cities. This

1554
01:28:41,360 --> 01:28:44,280
Speaker 1: tweeter says, so please ask doctor Wright, how did Booker

1555
01:28:44,360 --> 01:28:48,120
Speaker 1: t obtain the necessary financial funding to create and expand

1556
01:28:48,320 --> 01:28:51,080
Speaker 1: his institution. He's talking about Tuskegee, so let me get back.

1557
01:28:51,080 --> 01:28:53,840
Speaker 1: I'll let you address that. And the other tweet question

1558
01:28:54,000 --> 01:28:58,160
Speaker 1: wants to know was Booker T considered a nationalist or

1559
01:28:58,439 --> 01:29:01,160
Speaker 1: a segregationist or a city relation is did he just

1560
01:29:01,240 --> 01:29:03,320
Speaker 1: want to go along to get along? Or is he

1561
01:29:03,439 --> 01:29:06,599
Speaker 1: trying to fight for black freedom? And if you can explain,

1562
01:29:07,000 --> 01:29:09,720
Speaker 1: you know, respond to those two questions, I appreciate it.

1563
01:29:10,040 --> 01:29:12,599
Speaker 1: Family YouTube can join our conversation with our guest, doctor

1564
01:29:12,680 --> 01:29:14,840
Speaker 1: Tymlin Wright. I'm coming up later this morning. I'm gonna

1565
01:29:14,840 --> 01:29:16,760
Speaker 1: speak with babl La Mumba. Bab La Mumba's a grill

1566
01:29:16,920 --> 01:29:19,160
Speaker 1: works out of Emosa House in Washington, d C. But

1567
01:29:19,520 --> 01:29:21,280
Speaker 1: the question for a doctor Wright, if you can do

1568
01:29:21,360 --> 01:29:23,280
Speaker 1: it real quickly, you can reach us at eight hundred

1569
01:29:23,400 --> 01:29:26,720
Speaker 1: four five zero, seventy eight seventy six, and we'll take

1570
01:29:26,720 --> 01:29:29,080
Speaker 1: your phone calls after we check the trafficking weather in

1571
01:29:29,200 --> 01:29:31,800
Speaker 1: our cities. That's next and Grand Rising Family, thanks for

1572
01:29:31,840 --> 01:29:34,599
Speaker 1: starting your Tuesday with us. Our guest is doctor Tyrene Wright.

1573
01:29:34,720 --> 01:29:37,519
Speaker 1: She's an educator. She's done extensive research into Booker T.

1574
01:29:37,760 --> 01:29:40,839
Speaker 1: Washington facts. She has a book title Booker T. Washington

1575
01:29:41,040 --> 01:29:43,800
Speaker 1: and Africa The Making of a Pan Africanist. She'll tell

1576
01:29:43,800 --> 01:29:45,920
Speaker 1: her before she leaves how to get that book before

1577
01:29:45,920 --> 01:29:49,400
Speaker 1: we left for the trafficking weather updated, Doctor Wright, I

1578
01:29:49,520 --> 01:29:51,800
Speaker 1: men sure the two We had two tweets for you,

1579
01:29:52,479 --> 01:29:54,439
Speaker 1: so I'll make you respond to those. And then jean

1580
01:29:54,520 --> 01:29:57,200
Speaker 1: In Pikesvield has a question for you about Tuskegee. Do

1581
01:29:57,240 --> 01:29:58,800
Speaker 1: you remember the question, doctor right?

1582
01:29:59,439 --> 01:30:00,640
Speaker 4: Okay, yes, I.

1583
01:30:00,680 --> 01:30:02,920
Speaker 11: Already forgot the first question, so you're gonna have to

1584
01:30:02,960 --> 01:30:04,960
Speaker 11: give that to me again. But the second question I

1585
01:30:05,040 --> 01:30:08,880
Speaker 11: can answer off the top of my head whether he

1586
01:30:09,120 --> 01:30:15,040
Speaker 11: was a Black nationalist, a separatist, accommodationist, or otherwise. And

1587
01:30:15,160 --> 01:30:19,880
Speaker 11: I would say Washington was very privately a separatist in

1588
01:30:20,040 --> 01:30:23,640
Speaker 11: my opinion. Now some people might disagree with that, but

1589
01:30:24,479 --> 01:30:29,439
Speaker 11: the development of Tuskegee as a sustainable model indicates that

1590
01:30:30,840 --> 01:30:34,320
Speaker 11: you know, he understood that post enslavement, we needed to

1591
01:30:34,479 --> 01:30:38,080
Speaker 11: build our own communities. Oh, I already remember the first question,

1592
01:30:38,240 --> 01:30:41,680
Speaker 11: and i'll it occurred to me, so I'll get to

1593
01:30:41,800 --> 01:30:47,120
Speaker 11: that too. But he was developing Tuskegee as a sustainable model,

1594
01:30:47,280 --> 01:30:49,200
Speaker 11: as some of you may know he had. There were

1595
01:30:49,320 --> 01:30:55,640
Speaker 11: forty four industries there at Tuskegee, and he was, I

1596
01:30:55,760 --> 01:31:00,200
Speaker 11: guess you could say, a proponent of separatism. This is

1597
01:31:00,360 --> 01:31:02,559
Speaker 11: part of the reason why so many can cite him

1598
01:31:02,640 --> 01:31:05,679
Speaker 11: talking about the opportunity to make a dollar is better

1599
01:31:05,760 --> 01:31:09,080
Speaker 11: than the opportunity to spend a dollar in the opera house.

1600
01:31:09,479 --> 01:31:13,639
Speaker 11: In other words, don't spend your money trying to put

1601
01:31:13,680 --> 01:31:18,320
Speaker 11: yourself in white social spaces. Spend your money or make

1602
01:31:18,479 --> 01:31:25,080
Speaker 11: money to build your community, to build your financial stability.

1603
01:31:26,160 --> 01:31:31,880
Speaker 11: Don't waste it paying for paying to be in the

1604
01:31:31,960 --> 01:31:37,040
Speaker 11: presence of people who neither liked or respected us as

1605
01:31:37,400 --> 01:31:42,040
Speaker 11: a group. So I would say he was more a separatist. However,

1606
01:31:44,040 --> 01:31:49,280
Speaker 11: many have cited the fact that Tuskegee was the foundation

1607
01:31:49,840 --> 01:31:56,479
Speaker 11: of American black nationalism in the sense that it was

1608
01:31:56,600 --> 01:32:05,160
Speaker 11: a sustainable model. It did promote black economic independence, and

1609
01:32:06,120 --> 01:32:11,240
Speaker 11: you know Manny Marrable, the late Many Marrable talks about

1610
01:32:11,240 --> 01:32:15,000
Speaker 11: this in an article called Booker T. Washington and African Nationalism,

1611
01:32:15,520 --> 01:32:21,560
Speaker 11: where he said that the Boys had regard support for

1612
01:32:21,800 --> 01:32:28,639
Speaker 11: black nationalism. Faracon in contemporary times referred to Tuskegee as

1613
01:32:28,760 --> 01:32:34,600
Speaker 11: the seminole fluid for black nationalism. And why because in

1614
01:32:34,840 --> 01:32:42,040
Speaker 11: the context of America, black nationalism essentially is controlling our communities,

1615
01:32:42,400 --> 01:32:44,920
Speaker 11: building our community.

1616
01:32:46,200 --> 01:32:46,479
Speaker 3: And so.

1617
01:32:48,520 --> 01:32:52,520
Speaker 11: He would be considered someone who was not just sympathetic

1618
01:32:52,760 --> 01:32:58,000
Speaker 11: but a participant in early black nationalism for sure. And

1619
01:32:58,120 --> 01:33:02,920
Speaker 11: this is what would ring true for Marcus Garvey once

1620
01:33:02,960 --> 01:33:06,439
Speaker 11: he comes in. And Marcus Garvey's Garvey, as many of

1621
01:33:06,520 --> 01:33:08,880
Speaker 11: you know, would only be able to enter the United

1622
01:33:08,920 --> 01:33:13,479
Speaker 11: States post Washington's defeat of the African exclusion measure. And

1623
01:33:13,640 --> 01:33:17,920
Speaker 11: they had a relationship and the invitation for Marcus Garvey

1624
01:33:18,040 --> 01:33:21,440
Speaker 11: to come to walk to the United States was extended

1625
01:33:21,600 --> 01:33:24,599
Speaker 11: by Booker T. Washington. So the first place Marcus Garvey

1626
01:33:25,360 --> 01:33:29,320
Speaker 11: visits upon arrival to the United States is none other

1627
01:33:29,439 --> 01:33:33,160
Speaker 11: than Tuskegee. But he's four months too late to meet

1628
01:33:33,200 --> 01:33:36,920
Speaker 11: Booker T. Washington. But he wanted to see this sustainable

1629
01:33:37,560 --> 01:33:42,880
Speaker 11: black community that masqueraded essentially as a school, so I

1630
01:33:42,960 --> 01:33:47,920
Speaker 11: could say he was both separatist and yes, early black nationalist.

1631
01:33:49,200 --> 01:33:51,360
Speaker 11: And in reference to uh huh, I was going to

1632
01:33:51,400 --> 01:33:51,760
Speaker 11: answer the.

1633
01:33:52,120 --> 01:33:57,919
Speaker 1: Question, yeah, the tweet about how did they maintaining financial

1634
01:33:58,479 --> 01:34:00,760
Speaker 1: uh you know, necessary to keep a schooling.

1635
01:34:01,720 --> 01:34:08,280
Speaker 11: So what Tuskegee had perfected was moving the money around

1636
01:34:09,040 --> 01:34:12,800
Speaker 11: that they had acquired that was essentially donated to them

1637
01:34:13,320 --> 01:34:20,880
Speaker 11: and keeping it within the community for twenty something times. Right,

1638
01:34:20,960 --> 01:34:25,600
Speaker 11: so the money circulated up to twenty something times in

1639
01:34:25,680 --> 01:34:31,000
Speaker 11: the black community. But this is yes, Washington absolutely accepted

1640
01:34:32,280 --> 01:34:41,480
Speaker 11: and courted white philanthropists to obtain monies and funding for Tuskegee.

1641
01:34:42,040 --> 01:34:46,400
Speaker 11: But once they got this injection of cash for one

1642
01:34:46,520 --> 01:34:51,080
Speaker 11: thing or another, this money would stay within the Tuskegee

1643
01:34:51,160 --> 01:34:55,040
Speaker 11: community up to twenty something times. And one of their

1644
01:34:55,280 --> 01:35:03,160
Speaker 11: methods of building the institution was to have a labor force,

1645
01:35:03,320 --> 01:35:08,880
Speaker 11: which included the students. So the students, most Tuskegeans know

1646
01:35:09,080 --> 01:35:13,719
Speaker 11: this that if you attended the institution before a certain

1647
01:35:13,880 --> 01:35:18,280
Speaker 11: time while it was still Tuskegee Institute, most attended on

1648
01:35:18,439 --> 01:35:23,000
Speaker 11: the work program. And this is how the labor force

1649
01:35:23,960 --> 01:35:25,880
Speaker 11: was replenished.

1650
01:35:26,080 --> 01:35:26,599
Speaker 7: Every year.

1651
01:35:27,040 --> 01:35:30,680
Speaker 11: There were students who would come and they would initially

1652
01:35:30,960 --> 01:35:34,640
Speaker 11: the first year work full time for the institution and

1653
01:35:34,840 --> 01:35:38,320
Speaker 11: go to school part time, and the remaining four years

1654
01:35:38,720 --> 01:35:43,759
Speaker 11: work part time for the institution and go to school

1655
01:35:44,360 --> 01:35:48,439
Speaker 11: full time. This meant that they had a sustainable labor

1656
01:35:48,600 --> 01:35:54,200
Speaker 11: force that could weather economic fluctuations, okay, And so the

1657
01:35:54,320 --> 01:35:59,400
Speaker 11: students were paid. They were the paid laborers that would

1658
01:35:59,520 --> 01:36:04,719
Speaker 11: erect buildings and alike at Tuskegee. And that is where

1659
01:36:05,280 --> 01:36:10,040
Speaker 11: a great deal of the money would go sustaining Tuskegee,

1660
01:36:10,479 --> 01:36:13,880
Speaker 11: paying for the labor and the labor force that was

1661
01:36:14,000 --> 01:36:20,680
Speaker 11: within and building essentially the institution. And so there is

1662
01:36:20,800 --> 01:36:24,200
Speaker 11: no denial of the fact that Washington was very, very

1663
01:36:24,479 --> 01:36:30,560
Speaker 11: very adept at getting and getting funding from white philanthropists.

1664
01:36:31,400 --> 01:36:36,559
Speaker 11: I recall a letter he wrote to someone about an

1665
01:36:36,920 --> 01:36:41,240
Speaker 11: potential donor, and he says to him, and this isn't

1666
01:36:41,600 --> 01:36:44,800
Speaker 11: in it, or around nineteen o three, he says, you know,

1667
01:36:45,040 --> 01:36:48,360
Speaker 11: do you have doctor Fistle's information, because I would like

1668
01:36:48,439 --> 01:36:52,720
Speaker 11: to talk to him. Tuskegee's endowment is one million, and

1669
01:36:52,800 --> 01:36:57,639
Speaker 11: this is in early twentieth century, nineteen hundreds. He says,

1670
01:36:58,200 --> 01:37:04,720
Speaker 11: our endowment is only only one million. It should be.

1671
01:37:04,920 --> 01:37:07,080
Speaker 6: Four He was very.

1672
01:37:08,760 --> 01:37:12,679
Speaker 11: Aggressive and I would even say dogmatic in his effort

1673
01:37:13,240 --> 01:37:17,479
Speaker 11: to obtain funds from for Tuskegee to build it and

1674
01:37:17,600 --> 01:37:21,160
Speaker 11: to secure it. In other words, he was saying, our

1675
01:37:21,240 --> 01:37:25,600
Speaker 11: institution should have a four million dollar endowment at this

1676
01:37:25,800 --> 01:37:29,360
Speaker 11: stage of its existence, and he wasn't afraid to ask

1677
01:37:29,479 --> 01:37:32,000
Speaker 11: for it, do whatever he had to do for it.

1678
01:37:32,439 --> 01:37:36,680
Speaker 11: And I think, you know, while some cast him as

1679
01:37:36,760 --> 01:37:42,600
Speaker 11: a certain kind of individual who placated to white supremacy

1680
01:37:42,640 --> 01:37:48,280
Speaker 11: and culture, he was someone who did not have inhibitions

1681
01:37:48,880 --> 01:37:51,400
Speaker 11: in terms of what he would do for us.

1682
01:37:52,120 --> 01:37:57,280
Speaker 1: And so right because we got bab and he's been

1683
01:37:57,400 --> 01:37:59,439
Speaker 1: so patient with us. But Gene and Pinkshell has a

1684
01:37:59,520 --> 01:38:01,479
Speaker 1: quick question for you about the same issue that you're

1685
01:38:01,520 --> 01:38:04,599
Speaker 1: discussing right now. Is online too, grund Rising, Gene, can

1686
01:38:04,640 --> 01:38:06,320
Speaker 1: you make it quick for us your question for doctor

1687
01:38:06,400 --> 01:38:07,519
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah.

1688
01:38:07,600 --> 01:38:11,080
Speaker 13: This is a great timing. Thanks called grand Rising. Professor Wright,

1689
01:38:11,320 --> 01:38:14,479
Speaker 13: you're exactly right in reference to the endowment. I've been

1690
01:38:14,520 --> 01:38:17,480
Speaker 13: trying to emphasize the people, especially in Baltimore.

1691
01:38:17,000 --> 01:38:20,160
Speaker 3: At the School for the Boys, other people who raise money.

1692
01:38:20,479 --> 01:38:23,760
Speaker 13: Morgan State Unit Morgus State University got five million dollars

1693
01:38:23,840 --> 01:38:26,960
Speaker 13: from Andrew Carnegie, and we are still dependent on the

1694
01:38:27,000 --> 01:38:32,120
Speaker 13: state for funding. So the endowment is essential. Hampton University

1695
01:38:32,200 --> 01:38:36,640
Speaker 13: has an endowment. Uh that that is self support supporting.

1696
01:38:37,080 --> 01:38:38,960
Speaker 13: And I just wanted to say, that's what I wanted

1697
01:38:39,000 --> 01:38:42,040
Speaker 13: to emphasize how important the endowment is and self funding

1698
01:38:42,600 --> 01:38:47,760
Speaker 13: and a selective what is it called selective uh uh uh,

1699
01:38:47,920 --> 01:38:51,360
Speaker 13: you know separation or you know independent? So you know,

1700
01:38:51,479 --> 01:38:53,639
Speaker 13: Thank you man very much. I would I'm eighty years old.

1701
01:38:54,000 --> 01:38:55,519
Speaker 13: At some point I'm gonna figure out the way I'm

1702
01:38:55,600 --> 01:38:57,400
Speaker 13: coming to New York and take your class man, Thank

1703
01:38:57,439 --> 01:38:58,000
Speaker 13: you very much.

1704
01:38:58,320 --> 01:38:59,479
Speaker 5: All right, thank you.

1705
01:39:01,600 --> 01:39:03,400
Speaker 1: You understand real quick?

1706
01:39:04,360 --> 01:39:08,200
Speaker 11: Well, yes, he is exactly right. I mean the endowment.

1707
01:39:08,560 --> 01:39:11,560
Speaker 11: Washington had the foresight to understand that they needed to

1708
01:39:11,720 --> 01:39:16,759
Speaker 11: have a significant endowment and that the endowment would sustain

1709
01:39:16,840 --> 01:39:20,680
Speaker 11: the institution. And so we see this with Tuskegee, but

1710
01:39:20,800 --> 01:39:24,560
Speaker 11: we also see it with its early founding, which was

1711
01:39:24,800 --> 01:39:31,040
Speaker 11: the concept of well Washington in eighteen ninety three makes

1712
01:39:31,120 --> 01:39:35,400
Speaker 11: Tuskegee independent of the state of Alabama. If anybody knows

1713
01:39:35,560 --> 01:39:39,519
Speaker 11: the early history of it. It comes out of a

1714
01:39:39,720 --> 01:39:45,680
Speaker 11: piece of legislation by Senator Foster and they give two

1715
01:39:45,800 --> 01:39:49,400
Speaker 11: thousand dollars to start the Negro normal School at Tuskegee.

1716
01:39:50,240 --> 01:39:54,560
Speaker 11: And for Washington, it's good, it's a good start. But

1717
01:39:54,680 --> 01:39:58,080
Speaker 11: in eighteen ninety three, Washington tells the state of Alabama

1718
01:39:58,320 --> 01:40:01,679
Speaker 11: keep your money, keep your money. I can raise more

1719
01:40:01,880 --> 01:40:04,439
Speaker 11: on my own. And he goes on the road with

1720
01:40:04,720 --> 01:40:10,200
Speaker 11: Ford and he raises a significant amount of money for Tuskegee,

1721
01:40:10,640 --> 01:40:15,280
Speaker 11: and he makes the institution independent from the state of Alabama,

1722
01:40:15,560 --> 01:40:17,519
Speaker 11: and so all the fund that they would get.

1723
01:40:17,600 --> 01:40:22,360
Speaker 1: We're just out of time here, doctor, right, no problem, no,

1724
01:40:23,479 --> 01:40:26,040
Speaker 1: and I thank you. Tell us again, tell us the

1725
01:40:26,200 --> 01:40:27,920
Speaker 1: title of your book, and how can folk get a

1726
01:40:28,000 --> 01:40:28,639
Speaker 1: copy of your book?

1727
01:40:28,680 --> 01:40:29,519
Speaker 8: And what are you looking at?

1728
01:40:30,720 --> 01:40:34,840
Speaker 11: Okay, it's called Booker T. Washington and Africa. That's the

1729
01:40:35,000 --> 01:40:38,400
Speaker 11: title and has a subtitle the Making of a Pan Africanist,

1730
01:40:38,880 --> 01:40:43,200
Speaker 11: because it talks about his transformation into what we could

1731
01:40:43,240 --> 01:40:47,400
Speaker 11: consider a Pan Africanist, being concerned with the rest of

1732
01:40:47,600 --> 01:40:51,680
Speaker 11: the African world in Diaspla. And you can get it

1733
01:40:51,840 --> 01:40:54,439
Speaker 11: on its own website. The book has its own website.

1734
01:40:54,479 --> 01:40:58,880
Speaker 11: You can find the book on Amazon, but it's a

1735
01:40:58,920 --> 01:41:03,080
Speaker 11: little pricey. However, you can certainly get the book on

1736
01:41:03,200 --> 01:41:06,719
Speaker 11: its website, and that is Booker T. Washington and Africa

1737
01:41:07,120 --> 01:41:07,599
Speaker 11: dot Com.

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01:41:09,160 --> 01:41:11,840
Speaker 1: All right, thank you, doctor, always great to hear from you.

1739
01:41:12,120 --> 01:41:15,439
Speaker 11: Thank you, thank you, and thank you for inviting me

1740
01:41:15,600 --> 01:41:16,599
Speaker 11: back once again.

1741
01:41:17,280 --> 01:41:19,679
Speaker 1: Oh we will. There's a lot to learn. You always

1742
01:41:19,760 --> 01:41:22,080
Speaker 1: learn something new about Booker T. Washington. Thank you, doctor

1743
01:41:22,120 --> 01:41:26,080
Speaker 1: Tyren Right, thank you. All right, family twelve at the top.

1744
01:41:26,160 --> 01:41:29,160
Speaker 1: The Baba Lamumba is one of the grills in our community.

1745
01:41:29,200 --> 01:41:31,679
Speaker 1: Baba Lamoma, thanks for being so patient with us, Grand Rising,

1746
01:41:31,760 --> 01:41:32,879
Speaker 1: welcome back to the program.

1747
01:41:35,920 --> 01:41:36,479
Speaker 12: Just arry.

1748
01:41:37,840 --> 01:41:42,120
Speaker 7: Is immeasurable and I'm I'll be as patient as I

1749
01:41:42,200 --> 01:41:44,240
Speaker 7: have to. That sister has given us some very very

1750
01:41:44,400 --> 01:41:47,400
Speaker 7: valuable information about book at G. Washington that we all

1751
01:41:47,520 --> 01:41:48,639
Speaker 7: need to know and understand.

1752
01:41:49,960 --> 01:41:52,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, because we want to. You know, this is Black

1753
01:41:52,120 --> 01:41:54,200
Speaker 1: History Month, as you know, Baba Lamba, and this is

1754
01:41:54,280 --> 01:41:58,040
Speaker 1: the centennial his Black History Month, one hundred years old.

1755
01:41:58,680 --> 01:42:00,759
Speaker 1: Black hista Month and we started car to Gee Woodson.

1756
01:42:01,080 --> 01:42:03,920
Speaker 1: But you know, what is freedom? How do you how

1757
01:42:03,960 --> 01:42:07,719
Speaker 1: do you contextualize freedom in Black history? What is freedom

1758
01:42:08,120 --> 01:42:10,400
Speaker 1: is in all these years we were talking about one

1759
01:42:10,920 --> 01:42:14,480
Speaker 1: hundred years? Does it mean different things over for different generations?

1760
01:42:14,560 --> 01:42:15,720
Speaker 1: Can you break it down for us?

1761
01:42:17,920 --> 01:42:21,439
Speaker 7: Well, let me just say when you talk about this

1762
01:42:21,640 --> 01:42:24,200
Speaker 7: notion of what are we freeing ourselves from or what

1763
01:42:24,400 --> 01:42:27,360
Speaker 7: is freedom? What is our is a mouse essentially mouse

1764
01:42:27,439 --> 01:42:30,080
Speaker 7: to our goal. It's interesting when the sister was talking

1765
01:42:30,120 --> 01:42:33,519
Speaker 7: about Booker G. Washington, the posture that he took was

1766
01:42:33,680 --> 01:42:40,280
Speaker 7: essentially one of pretending to accommodate the desires and wishes

1767
01:42:40,360 --> 01:42:44,439
Speaker 7: of white people and using that build enough income to

1768
01:42:44,600 --> 01:42:49,320
Speaker 7: support and further the interest of black people, which is

1769
01:42:50,800 --> 01:42:53,240
Speaker 7: kind of the opposite for example, of what a Barack

1770
01:42:53,320 --> 01:42:58,760
Speaker 7: Obama stood stands for, which is sort of like doing

1771
01:42:58,920 --> 01:43:05,879
Speaker 7: just the opposite. Example, when Barack Obama doubled the reward

1772
01:43:06,160 --> 01:43:09,080
Speaker 7: for Sata Shakur. We didn't have to do that. He

1773
01:43:09,200 --> 01:43:12,560
Speaker 7: did that to accommodate white people. Why he was responsible

1774
01:43:12,600 --> 01:43:16,439
Speaker 7: for Kadafi's death. He didn't have to do that, but

1775
01:43:16,560 --> 01:43:19,040
Speaker 7: he did that to prove the white people that he

1776
01:43:19,240 --> 01:43:21,760
Speaker 7: was on their side and not on our side, which

1777
01:43:21,840 --> 01:43:25,439
Speaker 7: is kind of interesting and the difference between the model

1778
01:43:25,479 --> 01:43:29,120
Speaker 7: at Booker D. Washington represents, which is somebody who pretended

1779
01:43:29,240 --> 01:43:32,200
Speaker 7: to accommodate the needs of white people, but did it

1780
01:43:32,280 --> 01:43:35,439
Speaker 7: in a way that served actually served the interest of

1781
01:43:35,479 --> 01:43:39,880
Speaker 7: black people, which is a very interesting dichotomy. It's a

1782
01:43:40,240 --> 01:43:42,080
Speaker 7: very interesting look. And it gets to the question of

1783
01:43:42,120 --> 01:43:44,960
Speaker 7: what is freedom. This whole question of is freedom of

1784
01:43:44,960 --> 01:43:49,679
Speaker 7: a successful assimilation or is freedom of strengthening your own people?

1785
01:43:50,000 --> 01:43:53,800
Speaker 7: You know, in other words, the assimilations the civil rights

1786
01:43:53,920 --> 01:44:02,960
Speaker 7: definition of freedom, which is of course essentially assimilating in

1787
01:44:03,080 --> 01:44:06,880
Speaker 7: the assimilation ultimately is disappearing. In other words, if you

1788
01:44:07,040 --> 01:44:10,280
Speaker 7: successfully assimilate into the society, you become them and they

1789
01:44:10,400 --> 01:44:13,679
Speaker 7: become you, sort of speak, you disappear as a people,

1790
01:44:13,720 --> 01:44:17,400
Speaker 7: as a distinct different people, as a and that's really

1791
01:44:17,640 --> 01:44:21,040
Speaker 7: not an acceptable goal. The only really acceptable is the

1792
01:44:21,160 --> 01:44:23,320
Speaker 7: goal that the Booker t wat was and then or

1793
01:44:23,360 --> 01:44:25,760
Speaker 7: the goal that Malcolm.

1794
01:44:25,600 --> 01:44:26,960
Speaker 14: X I said.

1795
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Speaker 7: And that's not to say that the notions of civil

1796
01:44:30,479 --> 01:44:34,840
Speaker 7: rights or or improving your conditions, your under the circumstances

1797
01:44:34,920 --> 01:44:37,240
Speaker 7: which you live is not a valid one, because it

1798
01:44:37,320 --> 01:44:40,759
Speaker 7: certainly is a valid one. But it isn't the answer.

1799
01:44:40,960 --> 01:44:44,439
Speaker 7: It isn't freedom. It isn't the answer for freedom is

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01:44:44,520 --> 01:44:48,240
Speaker 7: to strengthen your own people. Is the answer that Booker

1801
01:44:48,320 --> 01:44:51,680
Speaker 7: t He came up with, which was build your own community,

1802
01:44:51,960 --> 01:44:55,479
Speaker 7: build your institutions, become strong enough so that you do

1803
01:44:55,680 --> 01:45:00,280
Speaker 7: not have to accommodate the answers. You you you base

1804
01:45:00,360 --> 01:45:06,840
Speaker 7: your movement on accommodating and fulfilling and succeed seeking the

1805
01:45:07,000 --> 01:45:10,240
Speaker 7: elevation of your own people, the strength of your own people.

1806
01:45:11,840 --> 01:45:16,760
Speaker 7: And book your t understood that. And and most of

1807
01:45:16,880 --> 01:45:22,320
Speaker 7: us today believe that freedom is this notion of assimilation.

1808
01:45:22,720 --> 01:45:26,639
Speaker 7: Freedom is this notion of successfully becoming a part of America,

1809
01:45:26,720 --> 01:45:29,280
Speaker 7: which implies disappearing, not strengthening.

1810
01:45:29,880 --> 01:45:33,120
Speaker 1: But right there, babblam, we've got to step us out

1811
01:45:33,120 --> 01:45:34,680
Speaker 1: for a few months. We come back though, isn't that

1812
01:45:34,800 --> 01:45:37,600
Speaker 1: the goal of the assimilations? Though they want to bland in.

1813
01:45:37,760 --> 01:45:40,960
Speaker 1: They believe that they believe in the fact that they're

1814
01:45:41,040 --> 01:45:43,920
Speaker 1: you know, they're like the oppressor. They don't feel they

1815
01:45:43,960 --> 01:45:46,080
Speaker 1: are oppressed. They feel that they're like them and they

1816
01:45:46,160 --> 01:45:48,800
Speaker 1: turn around and oppress us. I'll let you address that

1817
01:45:48,920 --> 01:45:50,880
Speaker 1: issue when we kept back family. You two, it's going

1818
01:45:50,960 --> 01:45:53,839
Speaker 1: to be a fascinating discussion with baby Lammaho always provides

1819
01:45:53,880 --> 01:45:56,360
Speaker 1: us who with some thought provoking topics, So we can

1820
01:45:56,439 --> 01:45:58,720
Speaker 1: go over and this one too about black history. What

1821
01:45:58,760 --> 01:46:01,000
Speaker 1: are your thoughts? You can reach us at eight hundred

1822
01:46:01,040 --> 01:46:03,880
Speaker 1: four or five zero seventy eight seventy six and we'll

1823
01:46:03,880 --> 01:46:06,840
Speaker 1: ticket phone calls next Anger and Rising family, thanks for

1824
01:46:06,920 --> 01:46:08,840
Speaker 1: rolling with us on this Tuesday morning with our guest.

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01:46:09,160 --> 01:46:11,120
Speaker 1: One of our grills, Baba Lamombo, works out of a

1826
01:46:11,240 --> 01:46:13,960
Speaker 1: moja house in Washington, d C. Of course a Black

1827
01:46:14,040 --> 01:46:16,760
Speaker 1: history and Black History Month, as he says, reinforces the

1828
01:46:16,800 --> 01:46:21,080
Speaker 1: civil rights women of complete assimilation being our only legitimate goal.

1829
01:46:21,439 --> 01:46:23,240
Speaker 1: And my question to him before we left the break

1830
01:46:23,520 --> 01:46:27,320
Speaker 1: the assimilationist they want to be like Mike or be

1831
01:46:27,800 --> 01:46:29,760
Speaker 1: as I shouldn't say that. They want to be like

1832
01:46:29,800 --> 01:46:32,640
Speaker 1: the white folks. They want to be like our oppressors.

1833
01:46:33,280 --> 01:46:35,800
Speaker 1: They don't think they're oppressed. They don't believe this. You

1834
01:46:35,920 --> 01:46:37,800
Speaker 1: asked me, They say they don't. There's no race, so

1835
01:46:37,840 --> 01:46:41,879
Speaker 1: there's no racism in America that group. Can you address

1836
01:46:41,920 --> 01:46:45,680
Speaker 1: that for us, Babla Lamomba, Is that how the assimilations

1837
01:46:46,160 --> 01:46:48,920
Speaker 1: see us as a group, that that's what we should

1838
01:46:49,280 --> 01:46:51,240
Speaker 1: strive for validation from our oppressors?

1839
01:46:52,880 --> 01:46:55,680
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think that's obviously. I don't know why the

1840
01:46:55,840 --> 01:46:58,840
Speaker 7: volume is so low, Carl. I don't know if it's

1841
01:46:59,240 --> 01:47:02,519
Speaker 7: possibly turned it up on your end, because you seem

1842
01:47:02,600 --> 01:47:06,080
Speaker 7: to be your volume seems to be much lower than

1843
01:47:06,120 --> 01:47:09,360
Speaker 7: it is usually, So I'm not sure why that's the case.

1844
01:47:09,439 --> 01:47:18,320
Speaker 10: But alrighty, yeah, I think that.

1845
01:47:20,280 --> 01:47:23,240
Speaker 7: This struggle of this battle, and I think that the

1846
01:47:24,439 --> 01:47:29,080
Speaker 7: preceding guests was a perfect segue into what I want

1847
01:47:29,120 --> 01:47:33,320
Speaker 7: to talk about, which was, you know, this struggle between

1848
01:47:33,479 --> 01:47:39,560
Speaker 7: those of us who consider our goal to be successfully

1849
01:47:39,640 --> 01:47:43,960
Speaker 7: assimilating into white society. We forget that white society is

1850
01:47:44,000 --> 01:47:48,360
Speaker 7: one that stole us, took us from our roots, from

1851
01:47:48,400 --> 01:47:52,040
Speaker 7: our own cultural base, from my Africa, for the sole

1852
01:47:52,200 --> 01:47:57,920
Speaker 7: purpose of working for them, serving them. So if you

1853
01:47:58,080 --> 01:48:02,960
Speaker 7: talk about your identity beginning at the point which after

1854
01:48:03,360 --> 01:48:07,720
Speaker 7: you were captured, you're talking about an identity which is

1855
01:48:07,800 --> 01:48:12,720
Speaker 7: based on service to white society. It's not based on

1856
01:48:12,880 --> 01:48:16,400
Speaker 7: doing your own society. It's not based on you becoming

1857
01:48:16,479 --> 01:48:20,320
Speaker 7: stronger as a people. It's based on you becoming more

1858
01:48:20,439 --> 01:48:25,000
Speaker 7: comfortable by serving them, so to speak, which is just

1859
01:48:25,120 --> 01:48:25,880
Speaker 7: the opposite of.

1860
01:48:27,439 --> 01:48:28,400
Speaker 13: What Booker T.

1861
01:48:28,640 --> 01:48:32,880
Speaker 7: Washington did and Marcus Garvey, you know. And it's just

1862
01:48:32,960 --> 01:48:38,839
Speaker 7: the pointed out that that Garvey, who recognized created actually

1863
01:48:39,240 --> 01:48:44,080
Speaker 7: the largest black organization the world has ever seen, came

1864
01:48:44,160 --> 01:48:47,719
Speaker 7: to this country because of Booker T. Washington. Their connection

1865
01:48:48,680 --> 01:48:53,200
Speaker 7: is invitation, etc. So the connection is very real. No

1866
01:48:53,280 --> 01:48:58,759
Speaker 7: one could deny the nationalism if you will. The focus

1867
01:48:58,960 --> 01:49:03,559
Speaker 7: that Garvey had on improving black people, elevating black people

1868
01:49:04,640 --> 01:49:07,920
Speaker 7: sometimes referred to as black nationalism, but really it's really

1869
01:49:08,040 --> 01:49:12,800
Speaker 7: black strengthening black people. It's an emphasis on black power,

1870
01:49:12,880 --> 01:49:17,360
Speaker 7: of creating black power and using it to serve black people,

1871
01:49:18,360 --> 01:49:21,559
Speaker 7: whether it's nation building, or whether it's institution building, whether

1872
01:49:21,600 --> 01:49:25,000
Speaker 7: it's community building, whether it's family building, whatever it is.

1873
01:49:26,439 --> 01:49:29,080
Speaker 7: That's the focus of what we're talking about. And that's

1874
01:49:29,120 --> 01:49:33,479
Speaker 7: the distinction between the civil rights movement, which essentially is

1875
01:49:33,600 --> 01:49:37,040
Speaker 7: the process, and which assimilation is the goal, which I

1876
01:49:37,120 --> 01:49:44,760
Speaker 7: would contend is which means disappearing down plane, ignoring or

1877
01:49:44,840 --> 01:49:49,080
Speaker 7: disparaging who you are uniquely as a people who would

1878
01:49:49,439 --> 01:49:55,040
Speaker 7: and your people's interest, you know, your people's collective interests,

1879
01:49:55,120 --> 01:49:58,160
Speaker 7: and forgetting the fact that you were stolen from your

1880
01:49:58,200 --> 01:50:02,120
Speaker 7: own cultural base, which is essential understanding that has to

1881
01:50:02,200 --> 01:50:05,840
Speaker 7: be that's what you're fighting against. You're fighting against, that's

1882
01:50:06,320 --> 01:50:11,679
Speaker 7: that that thievery, that forcing you to serve some another

1883
01:50:11,800 --> 01:50:15,439
Speaker 7: group of people. And if you're not fighting against serving

1884
01:50:15,760 --> 01:50:19,600
Speaker 7: another group of people, then you really are part of

1885
01:50:19,640 --> 01:50:23,920
Speaker 7: a movement, not a legitimate movement, no group of people

1886
01:50:24,000 --> 01:50:26,920
Speaker 7: on this earth has a movement that doesn't essentially base

1887
01:50:27,000 --> 01:50:30,479
Speaker 7: itself on strengthening that group of people. We seem to

1888
01:50:30,600 --> 01:50:33,240
Speaker 7: have a movement or want to have a movement that

1889
01:50:33,439 --> 01:50:37,080
Speaker 7: is not based on strengthening us as a people, but elimiting,

1890
01:50:37,360 --> 01:50:43,120
Speaker 7: eliminating us as a people, which is contrary to where

1891
01:50:43,160 --> 01:50:47,160
Speaker 7: we should be until we as a people actually accept

1892
01:50:47,360 --> 01:50:50,160
Speaker 7: in the notion that we have to have a movement

1893
01:50:50,240 --> 01:50:52,479
Speaker 7: that strengthens us as a group of people, that we

1894
01:50:52,640 --> 01:50:59,520
Speaker 7: must enhance our identity, connect our identity to our identity

1895
01:50:59,680 --> 01:51:05,240
Speaker 7: we had prior to this subjugation. Build from that, build communities,

1896
01:51:05,479 --> 01:51:09,440
Speaker 7: et cetera. Based on that connection, based on that understanding,

1897
01:51:09,560 --> 01:51:15,479
Speaker 7: based on that recourse, we really are not We're really

1898
01:51:15,720 --> 01:51:22,240
Speaker 7: just not producing and doing what we should be doing

1899
01:51:22,320 --> 01:51:24,639
Speaker 7: as a movement. We don't even have a legitimate movement.

1900
01:51:24,960 --> 01:51:27,960
Speaker 7: If our movement is to disappear, it's our movement is

1901
01:51:28,040 --> 01:51:31,160
Speaker 7: to make ourselves weaker, you know, if the goal is

1902
01:51:31,280 --> 01:51:36,000
Speaker 7: to look, act and be like white folks are really

1903
01:51:36,120 --> 01:51:41,879
Speaker 7: because a movement to become them, as opposed to remaining

1904
01:51:41,960 --> 01:51:45,639
Speaker 7: ourselves and strengthening ourselves. And it's that clear. It's always

1905
01:51:45,720 --> 01:51:49,519
Speaker 7: been that, really, there's always been that distinction between those

1906
01:51:49,560 --> 01:51:53,880
Speaker 7: people who who think that assimilation or disappearing as a

1907
01:51:53,960 --> 01:51:58,280
Speaker 7: people is a good thing because we don't respect ourselves,

1908
01:51:58,439 --> 01:52:03,120
Speaker 7: we don't love ourselves, we don't up about ourselves. But

1909
01:52:03,320 --> 01:52:06,880
Speaker 7: this distinction between these these aspects of these folks to

1910
01:52:07,040 --> 01:52:11,080
Speaker 7: focuses have gone on. For example, du Bois's fight with

1911
01:52:11,200 --> 01:52:15,880
Speaker 7: Walter White. Why did du bois leave the NAACP because

1912
01:52:16,040 --> 01:52:19,080
Speaker 7: he even though he did not have the vision of Garvey,

1913
01:52:19,240 --> 01:52:22,920
Speaker 7: which Garvey's vision was in Africa, du Bois division early

1914
01:52:23,080 --> 01:52:25,880
Speaker 7: wasn't in Africa, he was early and then his fight

1915
01:52:26,040 --> 01:52:32,680
Speaker 7: with Garvey was essentially a fight about uh our African identity.

1916
01:52:33,040 --> 01:52:33,160
Speaker 8: Uh.

1917
01:52:33,840 --> 01:52:39,040
Speaker 7: The boys felt Early he restricted our identity to you know, America,

1918
01:52:39,160 --> 01:52:43,400
Speaker 7: North America, you know, as opposed to Garvey, who came

1919
01:52:43,439 --> 01:52:46,880
Speaker 7: from Jamaica, saw it in an international center, saw it

1920
01:52:47,040 --> 01:52:51,439
Speaker 7: as black people who uh so. But but you know,

1921
01:52:51,600 --> 01:52:55,160
Speaker 7: you realize that Garvey Elk ended up in Africa. So

1922
01:52:55,560 --> 01:53:01,640
Speaker 7: Garvey became a Pan African, he became a Guarvy. I

1923
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Speaker 7: would make a contention that that that, and that Booker

1924
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Speaker 7: T was always saw that booker T never focused on Africa,

1925
01:53:11,479 --> 01:53:15,720
Speaker 7: but he always saw that the elevating black people was

1926
01:53:16,560 --> 01:53:18,920
Speaker 7: is what it is we had to be about, and

1927
01:53:19,080 --> 01:53:21,799
Speaker 7: that everything that we did had to point in that direction.

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Speaker 1: So up here for a second, I ask you this though,

1929
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Speaker 1: Baba Lama and families twenty at after the top of

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Speaker 1: the all and he's just checking in. Baba Lama is

1931
01:53:31,960 --> 01:53:35,240
Speaker 1: one of our grills. The assimilation is they don't believe

1932
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Speaker 1: that this race. If they say there's only one race,

1933
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Speaker 1: is that true or can you define that?

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Speaker 9: Well?

1935
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Speaker 7: I mean, that's that's nonsense, you know.

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Speaker 12: I mean.

1937
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Speaker 7: We are clearly different. You know, culture. Where do cultures

1938
01:53:50,640 --> 01:53:55,000
Speaker 7: come from? They come from the differences between people human

1939
01:53:55,120 --> 01:53:58,479
Speaker 7: beings are are are a wonderful species because we have

1940
01:53:58,680 --> 01:54:02,479
Speaker 7: these various cultures, there's identities, these various ways of looking

1941
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Speaker 7: at lights, these various ways of going through life. We

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Speaker 7: define that in racial terms. In racial terms, we think

1943
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Speaker 7: of three. We think of Caucazoids, mongoloids, and negroids, if

1944
01:54:12,600 --> 01:54:15,800
Speaker 7: you will. But if we as a people, black people,

1945
01:54:16,400 --> 01:54:19,280
Speaker 7: because of a large part, because of our complexion who

1946
01:54:19,360 --> 01:54:24,360
Speaker 7: we are, we have, we occupy the lowest ends economically

1947
01:54:24,479 --> 01:54:28,120
Speaker 7: and financially on that spectrum. Our goal is not to

1948
01:54:28,240 --> 01:54:32,240
Speaker 7: stay there. Our goal is to elevate ourselves. We are

1949
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Speaker 7: a people. To deny that we're a people is to

1950
01:54:35,440 --> 01:54:38,200
Speaker 7: give the power to other people who don't deny that

1951
01:54:38,280 --> 01:54:39,120
Speaker 7: there are people.

1952
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Speaker 1: Who right there than Baba la right there. So why

1953
01:54:43,120 --> 01:54:45,600
Speaker 1: are we at the bottom of this? Every as you mentioned,

1954
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Speaker 1: every socio economic ladder, there is any metric, we're at

1955
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Speaker 1: the very bottom. Why is that? Well?

1956
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Speaker 7: I think that the Caucasion in particular ends up being

1957
01:54:54,200 --> 01:54:59,440
Speaker 7: a very insecure people, and as an insecure people of why, well,

1958
01:54:59,600 --> 01:55:01,920
Speaker 7: you know, the show really isn't about that, but I

1959
01:55:02,040 --> 01:55:05,720
Speaker 7: think that they end up needing to control everything because

1960
01:55:05,760 --> 01:55:09,080
Speaker 7: they not only sought to control us and in addition,

1961
01:55:09,240 --> 01:55:11,960
Speaker 7: to control us as a way of keeping us from

1962
01:55:12,720 --> 01:55:16,240
Speaker 7: their perception of us being a danger to them. They

1963
01:55:16,400 --> 01:55:19,800
Speaker 7: exploited us, they took us, and that only controlled us.

1964
01:55:20,200 --> 01:55:23,480
Speaker 7: But they exploited us, they brought us here, they enslaved us,

1965
01:55:23,840 --> 01:55:27,160
Speaker 7: they colonized us, they took our culture away from us.

1966
01:55:27,680 --> 01:55:31,600
Speaker 7: All of this is based in their insecurity. That's where

1967
01:55:31,600 --> 01:55:35,680
Speaker 7: it really comes from. They don't necessarily consider themselves superior,

1968
01:55:35,800 --> 01:55:38,520
Speaker 7: as we think about white suprembinity, but they manifest itself

1969
01:55:38,600 --> 01:55:44,440
Speaker 7: in a way that that acts on their insecurity and

1970
01:55:44,560 --> 01:55:48,240
Speaker 7: their need to feel that if they don't control it

1971
01:55:48,760 --> 01:55:52,480
Speaker 7: is it is. It's a threat to them, and that

1972
01:55:52,800 --> 01:55:57,800
Speaker 7: is a very dangerous situation, very dangerous perspective. It's one

1973
01:55:57,840 --> 01:56:00,200
Speaker 7: that black people don't have. Black people really feel that

1974
01:56:00,280 --> 01:56:02,560
Speaker 7: we can live harmoniously. But we feel we can live

1975
01:56:02,600 --> 01:56:06,360
Speaker 7: harmoniously with nature. White people feel they have to control

1976
01:56:06,480 --> 01:56:08,840
Speaker 7: all aspects of nature, and you see what that's leading.

1977
01:56:09,160 --> 01:56:13,960
Speaker 7: Climate change is a result of that attitude that they

1978
01:56:14,200 --> 01:56:17,840
Speaker 7: you know, capitalism is a result of that attitude. They

1979
01:56:17,920 --> 01:56:21,520
Speaker 7: have to control everything around them, that we compete with everything,

1980
01:56:21,600 --> 01:56:25,840
Speaker 7: everything is competition and they have to win. Black we

1981
01:56:25,920 --> 01:56:28,400
Speaker 7: don't feel that way. We don't feel that everything is competition.

1982
01:56:28,560 --> 01:56:32,280
Speaker 7: We feel that harmony, We feel that cooperation. We feel

1983
01:56:32,320 --> 01:56:40,480
Speaker 7: that that that compatibility, working together is what life is about.

1984
01:56:41,720 --> 01:56:45,360
Speaker 7: So we're no threat as a people. But other groups

1985
01:56:45,400 --> 01:56:48,320
Speaker 7: of people have been White people in particular. They've done

1986
01:56:48,320 --> 01:56:49,960
Speaker 7: it to the Asians and they've done it to us.

1987
01:56:52,320 --> 01:56:55,640
Speaker 7: But we because we are the first human beings on

1988
01:56:55,760 --> 01:56:58,920
Speaker 7: this earth, we're the ones who end up being exploited

1989
01:56:58,960 --> 01:57:02,440
Speaker 7: the most. They all came from us. For what Black

1990
01:57:02,480 --> 01:57:05,480
Speaker 7: people are the original human beings. We define what it

1991
01:57:05,640 --> 01:57:08,920
Speaker 7: means to be a human being. We are the mother

1992
01:57:09,000 --> 01:57:13,160
Speaker 7: and father of humanity. It all comes out of Black Africa,

1993
01:57:13,360 --> 01:57:18,320
Speaker 7: all becomes out of equatorial Africa. These Africans went someplace

1994
01:57:18,640 --> 01:57:21,160
Speaker 7: because of the environment, because of the climate, because of

1995
01:57:21,200 --> 01:57:26,080
Speaker 7: their situation, they became another people and as far as

1996
01:57:26,160 --> 01:57:29,920
Speaker 7: Europeans concerned, that climate was cold, that climate was hostile.

1997
01:57:30,280 --> 01:57:33,360
Speaker 7: So they developed a hostile relationship with their environment. They

1998
01:57:33,400 --> 01:57:36,240
Speaker 7: had to fight their environment in order to survive. They

1999
01:57:36,320 --> 01:57:39,720
Speaker 7: took that hostility. We came up in the climate of Africa.

2000
01:57:40,040 --> 01:57:43,000
Speaker 7: We had to simply live with our environment. We had

2001
01:57:43,040 --> 01:57:45,720
Speaker 7: to be compatible with our environment. We had to be

2002
01:57:46,200 --> 01:57:50,640
Speaker 7: in concert with our environment. They had to fight the environment.

2003
01:57:51,000 --> 01:57:54,160
Speaker 7: Out of that, they end up fighting and addressing other

2004
01:57:54,200 --> 01:57:56,760
Speaker 7: people of the world. So they became an insecure people,

2005
01:57:57,200 --> 01:58:01,560
Speaker 7: and insecure people that that inscutecurity threatens the whole world

2006
01:58:01,800 --> 01:58:06,160
Speaker 7: because they in fact tried to dominate. In addition to dominate,

2007
01:58:06,400 --> 01:58:09,760
Speaker 7: they exploit, they make use of they came. They killed us.

2008
01:58:10,160 --> 01:58:13,520
Speaker 7: For example, if you talk about, for example, this situation

2009
01:58:13,680 --> 01:58:18,160
Speaker 7: with miss him PUBB, he told the vision Henry Gates

2010
01:58:19,000 --> 01:58:23,360
Speaker 7: and his his recent piece about with Jews and Blacks,

2011
01:58:24,040 --> 01:58:28,480
Speaker 7: and which he contends that for example that Egypt, that

2012
01:58:28,800 --> 01:58:34,720
Speaker 7: the Jews, the exodus, that that black people that the

2013
01:58:34,880 --> 01:58:39,960
Speaker 7: Jews were were enslaved in Egypt. Nonsense, Jews were never

2014
01:58:40,080 --> 01:58:45,240
Speaker 7: enslaved in Egypt. That's that's that's that's never happened. But

2015
01:58:45,320 --> 01:58:49,160
Speaker 7: it's part of Jewish mythology, and we buy into that

2016
01:58:49,400 --> 01:58:53,960
Speaker 7: mythology as though we have this during no Jews for

2017
01:58:54,040 --> 01:58:56,640
Speaker 7: the most part are white people, and they are more

2018
01:58:56,760 --> 01:59:00,320
Speaker 7: connected with other white people and are part of they

2019
01:59:00,680 --> 01:59:03,400
Speaker 7: within the white framework. They were probably not treated as

2020
01:59:03,440 --> 01:59:07,080
Speaker 7: well as other as the British, or the French, or

2021
01:59:07,320 --> 01:59:11,360
Speaker 7: some or the Scandinavians or whatever other forms of white

2022
01:59:11,400 --> 01:59:15,600
Speaker 7: people there are, but they in fact are white people.

2023
01:59:15,480 --> 01:59:16,240
Speaker 4: And they sided.

2024
01:59:16,480 --> 01:59:21,160
Speaker 7: You can see that now. And with Palestinians. You know,

2025
01:59:21,520 --> 01:59:27,800
Speaker 7: supposedly they're killing thousands of Palestinians because the Palestinians attacked

2026
01:59:27,880 --> 01:59:30,960
Speaker 7: them and killed ten twelve thirteen. I don't know how

2027
01:59:31,000 --> 01:59:34,360
Speaker 7: many died in that attack. That's not excuse that attack.

2028
01:59:35,000 --> 01:59:38,000
Speaker 7: But the reality is that the Jews are sitting on

2029
01:59:38,200 --> 01:59:41,640
Speaker 7: land that the Palestinians, they came and displaced those people.

2030
01:59:42,600 --> 01:59:47,840
Speaker 7: We supported that displacement and support them today when they

2031
01:59:48,240 --> 01:59:51,240
Speaker 7: when they killed you know, one hundred and fifty thousand

2032
01:59:51,320 --> 01:59:55,320
Speaker 7: Palestinians have died, or when you look at black people

2033
01:59:55,440 --> 01:59:59,040
Speaker 7: the slave trade, the most conservative figure that I've ever

2034
01:59:59,200 --> 02:00:02,480
Speaker 7: seen about people who died because of the start, it's

2035
02:00:02,640 --> 02:00:06,520
Speaker 7: twelve million black people. That's conservative. It's probably double that,

2036
02:00:07,080 --> 02:00:12,000
Speaker 7: maybe even triple that. The reality is that, you know,

2037
02:00:12,680 --> 02:00:15,720
Speaker 7: we're told now that we're not even supposed to talk

2038
02:00:15,760 --> 02:00:19,240
Speaker 7: about slavery. That's what dolcol Trump tells us. He tells

2039
02:00:19,320 --> 02:00:22,320
Speaker 7: us we should forget about that. We didn't tell the

2040
02:00:22,440 --> 02:00:25,360
Speaker 7: Jews to forget about the Holocaust, and you know the

2041
02:00:25,760 --> 02:00:31,200
Speaker 7: seven million that died from Adolf Hitler, but he tells

2042
02:00:31,320 --> 02:00:35,240
Speaker 7: us to forget about the twenty thirty forty million people

2043
02:00:35,280 --> 02:00:39,360
Speaker 7: who died because of slavery because of Europeans deciding that

2044
02:00:39,480 --> 02:00:42,360
Speaker 7: they needed to control us, they needed to subjugate us,

2045
02:00:43,680 --> 02:00:47,560
Speaker 7: and are still doing that. So, you know, we have

2046
02:00:47,760 --> 02:00:50,200
Speaker 7: to realize what we're talking about here. We have to

2047
02:00:50,240 --> 02:00:54,320
Speaker 7: make these comparisons that are very real. We are an

2048
02:00:54,320 --> 02:00:57,440
Speaker 7: oppressed people whose job it is to not be an

2049
02:00:57,440 --> 02:01:00,440
Speaker 7: oppressed people, whose job it is to become a powerful people,

2050
02:01:00,760 --> 02:01:03,200
Speaker 7: whose job it is to not allow other people to

2051
02:01:03,320 --> 02:01:07,840
Speaker 7: exploit and use us. Booker t understood that Marcus Garvey

2052
02:01:08,000 --> 02:01:11,560
Speaker 7: understood that, Malcolm X understood that, even Martin Luther King

2053
02:01:11,720 --> 02:01:17,440
Speaker 7: understood that even though he focused on assimilation, he focused

2054
02:01:17,520 --> 02:01:22,200
Speaker 7: on bettering our conditions where we lived. He didn't necessarily

2055
02:01:22,320 --> 02:01:28,360
Speaker 7: focus on internationally, on creating a relationship with each other

2056
02:01:28,480 --> 02:01:31,440
Speaker 7: that allowed us to be stronger as the people. He

2057
02:01:31,600 --> 02:01:35,040
Speaker 7: focused on the abuse that we were feeling and experiencing

2058
02:01:35,120 --> 02:01:40,880
Speaker 7: ourselves at that point in time, segregation, not being allowed

2059
02:01:41,000 --> 02:01:44,160
Speaker 7: to use a restroom, not being allowed to sleep in

2060
02:01:44,200 --> 02:01:47,560
Speaker 7: a hotel. Do he focused on what he should have

2061
02:01:48,040 --> 02:01:51,200
Speaker 7: There's no question about that. There's no contradiction between what

2062
02:01:51,280 --> 02:01:54,960
Speaker 7: he stood for and what Malcolm xtod for really, which

2063
02:01:55,080 --> 02:01:58,200
Speaker 7: was independence, which was what Garvey's to do, which is

2064
02:01:58,240 --> 02:02:02,520
Speaker 7: what Booker T. Washington stood, which was strengthening black people.

2065
02:02:02,840 --> 02:02:09,200
Speaker 7: But today we have resolved those assimilation is not the goal.

2066
02:02:10,200 --> 02:02:12,880
Speaker 1: All right? Hold that thought right there, Babalon, Mom. We

2067
02:02:12,880 --> 02:02:14,440
Speaker 1: got to step uside for a few moments, and twenty

2068
02:02:14,480 --> 02:02:17,080
Speaker 1: four minutes away from the top of the hour, you say, assimilation,

2069
02:02:17,160 --> 02:02:19,160
Speaker 1: it's not the goal. We'll come back. Please tell us

2070
02:02:19,200 --> 02:02:21,720
Speaker 1: what the goal is. Family, You're listening to this conversation

2071
02:02:21,840 --> 02:02:23,720
Speaker 1: without one of our agrills. Bab Ba la Bomba. You

2072
02:02:23,760 --> 02:02:25,680
Speaker 1: got a question, just reach out to us at eight

2073
02:02:25,800 --> 02:02:29,080
Speaker 1: hundred four or five zero seventy eight seventy six and

2074
02:02:29,120 --> 02:02:32,000
Speaker 1: were ticket phone calls. Next, Thank Grand Rising Family facts,

2075
02:02:32,040 --> 02:02:33,640
Speaker 1: just staying with us on this Tuesday morning with our

2076
02:02:33,680 --> 02:02:35,720
Speaker 1: guest and one of our grills out of Washington d C.

2077
02:02:35,880 --> 02:02:41,440
Speaker 1: Babla La Mumba, Baba loom. But yeah, we're on the air. Baba.

2078
02:02:43,240 --> 02:02:45,120
Speaker 1: I hope you can hear. It's much better than Baba

2079
02:02:45,160 --> 02:02:45,560
Speaker 1: la Mumba.

2080
02:02:45,640 --> 02:02:46,400
Speaker 7: Yeah, now I can.

2081
02:02:46,520 --> 02:02:47,000
Speaker 5: I can hear you.

2082
02:02:47,160 --> 02:02:49,360
Speaker 7: Fine. Then you started off kind of low.

2083
02:02:50,040 --> 02:02:55,160
Speaker 1: Okay, cool, because we're talking about assimilation and I want

2084
02:02:55,160 --> 02:02:56,960
Speaker 1: to get to your ideas of what assimilation is. And

2085
02:02:57,080 --> 02:02:59,560
Speaker 1: Randy and Baltimore also asked a question. So let's go

2086
02:02:59,640 --> 02:03:01,720
Speaker 1: to Randy person get his question. Then I'll let you

2087
02:03:02,120 --> 02:03:06,160
Speaker 1: respond to this whole idea about assimilation. Randy's online one

2088
02:03:06,520 --> 02:03:08,600
Speaker 1: Grand Rise and Randy, you're on with Baba la Mumba.

2089
02:03:10,040 --> 02:03:13,760
Speaker 10: Good, good morning, sir. Thank you for taking time to

2090
02:03:13,880 --> 02:03:20,120
Speaker 10: prepare your talk to help the community. I am puzzled

2091
02:03:20,520 --> 02:03:25,480
Speaker 10: when I drive past Latrobe homes on the eighty three

2092
02:03:26,160 --> 02:03:30,360
Speaker 10: and I noticed barbed wire in the front yards of

2093
02:03:30,920 --> 02:03:36,600
Speaker 10: black people who live in Latrobe prison. You know, all

2094
02:03:36,760 --> 02:03:40,760
Speaker 10: the all the elements of what you would imagine a

2095
02:03:40,840 --> 02:03:43,480
Speaker 10: prison to be is right there in their front yard.

2096
02:03:44,600 --> 02:03:48,879
Speaker 10: No rose bushes, no no flowers, nothing for the children

2097
02:03:49,000 --> 02:03:54,200
Speaker 10: except what a prison provides. And when I just looked

2098
02:03:54,240 --> 02:03:57,320
Speaker 10: online to find out who is Latrobe, well, latrob was

2099
02:03:57,400 --> 02:04:05,440
Speaker 10: a mayor Baltimore in the nineteenth century, and that was

2100
02:04:05,800 --> 02:04:09,720
Speaker 10: it looked like refinement and high, high class, elevated, you know,

2101
02:04:10,360 --> 02:04:13,640
Speaker 10: living standards and everything. This was that the actme. But

2102
02:04:14,320 --> 02:04:17,880
Speaker 10: the contrasts what we have. Who did that?

2103
02:04:18,440 --> 02:04:18,720
Speaker 3: That is?

2104
02:04:19,560 --> 02:04:23,120
Speaker 10: You know, who would create that kind of you know,

2105
02:04:24,040 --> 02:04:27,800
Speaker 10: horrible situation for black people to live in. And I

2106
02:04:27,920 --> 02:04:30,280
Speaker 10: scratched my head and I don't see a white face

2107
02:04:30,360 --> 02:04:34,560
Speaker 10: on this. I see a black person either rubber stamping

2108
02:04:34,680 --> 02:04:44,120
Speaker 10: it and acting in that really stereotypical house person role,

2109
02:04:45,440 --> 02:04:48,920
Speaker 10: the puppet mastered behind them doing whatever they're told to

2110
02:04:49,000 --> 02:04:54,160
Speaker 10: do and saying it's okay to put a black community

2111
02:04:54,440 --> 02:04:58,760
Speaker 10: on a prison campus and this is their life. This

2112
02:04:59,040 --> 02:05:03,920
Speaker 10: is one of the most horrible situations. It shocks the consciousness.

2113
02:05:04,800 --> 02:05:07,840
Speaker 1: I am Randy Do's a favorite, putting a question for

2114
02:05:07,960 --> 02:05:10,160
Speaker 1: him so Baba Olumba can respond.

2115
02:05:09,880 --> 02:05:14,560
Speaker 10: What is the question here, sir, I want to see

2116
02:05:14,600 --> 02:05:17,720
Speaker 10: this dichotomy black and white, but I see are black

2117
02:05:17,840 --> 02:05:22,280
Speaker 10: politicians a lot of times not doing the work of

2118
02:05:22,400 --> 02:05:25,720
Speaker 10: the people, but probably people who paid them to be

2119
02:05:25,800 --> 02:05:29,120
Speaker 10: in office. We saw it with Eric Adams who got

2120
02:05:29,160 --> 02:05:31,800
Speaker 10: bailed out by Trump. He was a puppet. We have

2121
02:05:31,920 --> 02:05:37,120
Speaker 10: these puppets everywhere. So how are we going to make

2122
02:05:37,280 --> 02:05:40,200
Speaker 10: this dichotomy? Oh, it's black and white and we're the

2123
02:05:40,680 --> 02:05:44,200
Speaker 10: You know, it's more complicated, I think than we can imagine.

2124
02:05:44,280 --> 02:05:46,920
Speaker 10: How do we get out of this rut?

2125
02:05:47,760 --> 02:05:50,920
Speaker 1: And let let's give him a chance to respond. Thank you,

2126
02:05:51,080 --> 02:05:53,600
Speaker 1: Randy Babolommba.

2127
02:05:54,440 --> 02:05:57,320
Speaker 7: The question no denying what I would call it Colins

2128
02:05:57,400 --> 02:06:02,520
Speaker 7: Thomas phenomenon amongst black people. You know, we've always had that.

2129
02:06:02,800 --> 02:06:07,160
Speaker 7: We've always had black people who disparaged themselves. And what

2130
02:06:07,360 --> 02:06:09,560
Speaker 7: and what at the heart of this problem is our

2131
02:06:10,160 --> 02:06:13,440
Speaker 7: is this question of Africa. If we think we don't

2132
02:06:13,520 --> 02:06:16,080
Speaker 7: know anything about after, if we don't see anything positive

2133
02:06:16,120 --> 02:06:20,040
Speaker 7: about what we were prior to our subjugation, then we

2134
02:06:20,200 --> 02:06:24,320
Speaker 7: think our subject that that are that we were weak,

2135
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Speaker 7: we were wild, we were savages, we were uncivilized, or

2136
02:06:29,040 --> 02:06:31,640
Speaker 7: whatever else we did, and that carries over into our

2137
02:06:31,680 --> 02:06:36,360
Speaker 7: attitude about ourselves. We we we must have this connection

2138
02:06:36,480 --> 02:06:39,800
Speaker 7: with African culture and understand the greatness and glory of

2139
02:06:39,840 --> 02:06:43,160
Speaker 7: African culture and how balanced it was. We must understand

2140
02:06:43,240 --> 02:06:46,880
Speaker 7: and learn about ourselves, and that this system prevents us

2141
02:06:46,960 --> 02:06:49,280
Speaker 7: from doing that. And when they prevent us from doing that,

2142
02:06:49,800 --> 02:06:53,080
Speaker 7: it creates the phenomena that this uh, this person is

2143
02:06:53,200 --> 02:06:55,680
Speaker 7: kind of talking about where we are. We have to

2144
02:06:55,760 --> 02:06:58,560
Speaker 7: fight against ourselves. We have to fight against our h

2145
02:06:58,800 --> 02:07:03,040
Speaker 7: the lack of respect we have for our own origins.

2146
02:07:03,360 --> 02:07:05,560
Speaker 7: If we don't know what our origins are, or if

2147
02:07:05,560 --> 02:07:09,320
Speaker 7: we think our origins are ugly or there are disgraceful

2148
02:07:09,760 --> 02:07:13,880
Speaker 7: or uncivilized, etc. Then we think ourselves to be that,

2149
02:07:14,160 --> 02:07:17,320
Speaker 7: and then we think that when they came and subjugated

2150
02:07:17,440 --> 02:07:19,120
Speaker 7: us that that was a good thing.

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02:07:19,800 --> 02:07:20,000
Speaker 3: You know.

2152
02:07:21,000 --> 02:07:24,760
Speaker 7: So it's easy to see why we large segments of

2153
02:07:24,840 --> 02:07:28,080
Speaker 7: our people don't have the love and respect. If you

2154
02:07:28,200 --> 02:07:30,880
Speaker 7: don't wake up one morning and be very glad that

2155
02:07:30,960 --> 02:07:34,120
Speaker 7: you're born as a black person, being very happy that

2156
02:07:34,400 --> 02:07:37,600
Speaker 7: you are connected to these Africans who were so so

2157
02:07:37,800 --> 02:07:41,240
Speaker 7: glorious of a people who achieved so much, who were

2158
02:07:41,400 --> 02:07:44,240
Speaker 7: so in tune with nature, who's who were so in

2159
02:07:44,360 --> 02:07:46,880
Speaker 7: tune with each other. If you don't know that, if

2160
02:07:46,920 --> 02:07:50,520
Speaker 7: you can never experience that, then you don't have a large,

2161
02:07:50,760 --> 02:07:53,400
Speaker 7: a great deal of respect for your own people, which

2162
02:07:53,440 --> 02:07:55,320
Speaker 7: means you don't have a respect for where you live.

2163
02:07:55,720 --> 02:08:00,200
Speaker 7: You don't necessarily have respect. It's easy to see what

2164
02:08:00,360 --> 02:08:03,480
Speaker 7: we're talking about here, but the origins of what we're

2165
02:08:03,520 --> 02:08:08,400
Speaker 7: talking about are really our subjugation. You know, why don't

2166
02:08:08,480 --> 02:08:11,920
Speaker 7: we know and understand the greatness of Africa? Why don't

2167
02:08:11,960 --> 02:08:14,560
Speaker 7: we know what it is to Why? Because they don't

2168
02:08:14,640 --> 02:08:17,800
Speaker 7: let us, They don't allow us. They never taught us that.

2169
02:08:18,400 --> 02:08:21,640
Speaker 7: They told us that we were savages, and we believed them,

2170
02:08:22,160 --> 02:08:25,920
Speaker 7: so we believe that their subjugation was a good thing

2171
02:08:26,040 --> 02:08:30,960
Speaker 7: for us, which in turn comes back to this whole

2172
02:08:31,040 --> 02:08:37,080
Speaker 7: notion that somehow we don't love and respect our own self.

2173
02:08:37,360 --> 02:08:39,320
Speaker 7: To love and respect your own self is to love

2174
02:08:39,400 --> 02:08:42,600
Speaker 7: and respect and understand Africa and how great Africa was.

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Speaker 1: How many people let me you over here for a second, though,

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02:08:44,920 --> 02:08:47,120
Speaker 1: Bubba Lamb, I think what he's trying to get at too,

2177
02:08:47,200 --> 02:08:50,200
Speaker 1: is that we bring it on ourselves. And I guess

2178
02:08:50,280 --> 02:08:52,120
Speaker 1: you know, they've talked about some of our young people,

2179
02:08:52,200 --> 02:08:53,560
Speaker 1: some of the things some of the things that they're

2180
02:08:53,640 --> 02:08:58,520
Speaker 1: doing on screen, on the air, on the internet. I

2181
02:08:58,560 --> 02:09:00,760
Speaker 1: think that's where he's trying to go. So some of

2182
02:09:00,800 --> 02:09:04,520
Speaker 1: it where's where, but where is where's it? We take

2183
02:09:04,560 --> 02:09:07,400
Speaker 1: a personal responsibility for opposition.

2184
02:09:08,280 --> 02:09:11,480
Speaker 7: Why we don't love and respect ourselves. Why it is

2185
02:09:11,560 --> 02:09:15,400
Speaker 7: that we treat ourselves and cause ourselves so much problems,

2186
02:09:15,680 --> 02:09:20,640
Speaker 7: It's because we don't. We don't love and understand the

2187
02:09:20,760 --> 02:09:25,560
Speaker 7: glories of what we were prior to our subjugation. If we,

2188
02:09:26,200 --> 02:09:29,600
Speaker 7: in which and many black people do, start our identity,

2189
02:09:30,520 --> 02:09:33,200
Speaker 7: start who we are from the point of view after

2190
02:09:33,320 --> 02:09:36,760
Speaker 7: our subjugation. That's why Black History Months can be such

2191
02:09:36,800 --> 02:09:40,400
Speaker 7: a problem at times. Black History monks features Black people

2192
02:09:40,720 --> 02:09:44,000
Speaker 7: who have done well in the white world. It doesn't

2193
02:09:44,040 --> 02:09:46,560
Speaker 7: feature black people who created the black world or the

2194
02:09:46,720 --> 02:09:50,600
Speaker 7: understanding of that world, the understanding the glory. You have

2195
02:09:50,840 --> 02:09:54,560
Speaker 7: to understand Africa and its glory. You have to understand

2196
02:09:54,600 --> 02:09:55,880
Speaker 7: what it means.

2197
02:09:55,680 --> 02:09:56,480
Speaker 3: To be in Africa.

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Speaker 7: Uh, if you really want to love and respect your people,

2199
02:10:01,360 --> 02:10:04,880
Speaker 7: your people, we are Africans living in this country. You

2200
02:10:04,920 --> 02:10:08,400
Speaker 7: are Africans who were captured by people. If you don't

2201
02:10:08,520 --> 02:10:11,760
Speaker 7: understand that and you don't disparage that, if you don't

2202
02:10:11,800 --> 02:10:16,839
Speaker 7: fight against that, then you don't really understand and respect

2203
02:10:16,880 --> 02:10:20,360
Speaker 7: your own people. And the behavior that you're talking about

2204
02:10:20,480 --> 02:10:24,960
Speaker 7: comes out of that lack of self love, that lack

2205
02:10:25,040 --> 02:10:28,839
Speaker 7: of self respect. But that in itself is a function

2206
02:10:29,440 --> 02:10:34,040
Speaker 7: of our circumstances and what what What's been denied to us?

2207
02:10:34,720 --> 02:10:37,120
Speaker 7: Our knowledge of ourself has been denied to us, and

2208
02:10:37,240 --> 02:10:40,440
Speaker 7: it's very difficult to understand what that is. It's very

2209
02:10:40,480 --> 02:10:45,360
Speaker 7: difficult to make Africans other than savages prior to It's

2210
02:10:45,440 --> 02:10:50,680
Speaker 7: very difficult to realize and to accept and to understand

2211
02:10:50,720 --> 02:10:53,760
Speaker 7: how glorious we were as a people and how glorious,

2212
02:10:53,880 --> 02:10:56,240
Speaker 7: because how glorious we were as a people is how

2213
02:10:56,360 --> 02:10:59,280
Speaker 7: glorious we are as a people. If you don't have

2214
02:10:59,480 --> 02:11:02,840
Speaker 7: that pre glory, you don't have that previous love, you

2215
02:11:02,920 --> 02:11:05,400
Speaker 7: don't have that previous respect, and you act in a

2216
02:11:05,480 --> 02:11:08,879
Speaker 7: way that is contrary to your own interests. You're not interested.

2217
02:11:08,960 --> 02:11:11,800
Speaker 7: You didn't wake up every morning loving to be black.

2218
02:11:12,240 --> 02:11:14,960
Speaker 7: You wake up every morning wishing you were white, and

2219
02:11:15,080 --> 02:11:18,720
Speaker 7: you act accordingly, which means you treat other black people

2220
02:11:18,920 --> 02:11:22,480
Speaker 7: very badly. So, I mean, it's no real mystery as

2221
02:11:22,640 --> 02:11:27,240
Speaker 7: how with this sense you development, but it doesn't go

2222
02:11:27,360 --> 02:11:29,440
Speaker 7: back to us. It goes back to them and how

2223
02:11:29,520 --> 02:11:32,680
Speaker 7: they treated us. When they captured us. They told us,

2224
02:11:32,880 --> 02:11:36,040
Speaker 7: you can't speak your language, you can't play your drums,

2225
02:11:36,080 --> 02:11:39,000
Speaker 7: you can't dance, you can't have your culture, you can't

2226
02:11:39,080 --> 02:11:44,520
Speaker 7: be who you were. You have to cut yourself away

2227
02:11:44,640 --> 02:11:49,320
Speaker 7: from off from your own identity and build an identity

2228
02:11:49,440 --> 02:11:53,040
Speaker 7: based on servitude. We live in a society in which

2229
02:11:53,080 --> 02:11:56,680
Speaker 7: our identity is based on our servitude. Black history must

2230
02:11:56,800 --> 02:12:00,840
Speaker 7: often reinforces that by only presenting to us people who

2231
02:12:00,920 --> 02:12:04,760
Speaker 7: have been successful in the context of that servitude. We

2232
02:12:05,040 --> 02:12:07,520
Speaker 7: have to broaden that in order to have self business.

2233
02:12:08,360 --> 02:12:12,640
Speaker 7: It's a must. It's critical. The problems that we face

2234
02:12:12,840 --> 02:12:16,200
Speaker 7: internally and the problems that we face externally can only

2235
02:12:16,280 --> 02:12:20,160
Speaker 7: be resolved by Black people becoming stronger, more united, more

2236
02:12:20,280 --> 02:12:25,160
Speaker 7: directed towards elevating his self towards Black power, not towards

2237
02:12:25,920 --> 02:12:30,600
Speaker 7: Black Lives Matter or assimilation or what the NAACP stands for,

2238
02:12:30,720 --> 02:12:38,200
Speaker 7: et cetera. This struggle, this dichotomy, this contradiction, it goes

2239
02:12:38,360 --> 02:12:40,400
Speaker 7: on and on and on. When's the last time with

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Speaker 7: Henry Gates on DV is not going to have the

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02:12:43,720 --> 02:12:46,200
Speaker 7: story of Marcus Garvey. He's not going to have the

2242
02:12:46,320 --> 02:12:49,040
Speaker 7: story of Malcolm X. He's not going to have the

2243
02:12:49,160 --> 02:12:56,280
Speaker 7: story story that involves these funds. Uh uh, you know,

2244
02:12:56,480 --> 02:12:59,680
Speaker 7: you know, the Nation of Islam. He's not going to

2245
02:12:59,760 --> 02:13:04,800
Speaker 7: have those black people featured. Now, you'll do that, your

2246
02:13:04,920 --> 02:13:07,840
Speaker 7: show will do that. Black people will do that for

2247
02:13:07,960 --> 02:13:10,960
Speaker 7: each other, But white people will never do that for you.

2248
02:13:11,640 --> 02:13:16,320
Speaker 7: Their media will not portray you as not only not

2249
02:13:16,760 --> 02:13:19,800
Speaker 7: betray you as they're equal, they will not portray you

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Speaker 7: as people who deserve to work in their own interests,

2251
02:13:24,600 --> 02:13:28,640
Speaker 7: deserve and should be proud of themselves. Who are you

2252
02:13:28,760 --> 02:13:32,400
Speaker 7: know that's not gonna happen. Henry Lewis Gates is not

2253
02:13:32,560 --> 02:13:36,600
Speaker 7: going to present a program on a public television that

2254
02:13:36,840 --> 02:13:39,240
Speaker 7: features the glory of Marcus Garvey.

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Speaker 5: He's not going to do that.

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02:13:42,000 --> 02:13:42,440
Speaker 13: And why not?

2257
02:13:42,760 --> 02:13:45,320
Speaker 1: Why won't he do it? Why won't skip Gates do that?

2258
02:13:46,600 --> 02:13:49,920
Speaker 7: Doesn't want us to be stronger as a people. He

2259
02:13:50,080 --> 02:13:52,360
Speaker 7: wants us to keep us in servi it you. He

2260
02:13:52,440 --> 02:13:58,440
Speaker 7: wants us to retain the aspiration of no race. There's

2261
02:13:58,480 --> 02:14:02,520
Speaker 7: no such clearly there has to what. All the cultures

2262
02:14:02,560 --> 02:14:05,240
Speaker 7: of the world are come out of race. Races. We

2263
02:14:05,760 --> 02:14:10,160
Speaker 7: we our identity as human beings depend on the variety

2264
02:14:10,280 --> 02:14:12,920
Speaker 7: of cultures that we have, which are functions of race.

2265
02:14:13,640 --> 02:14:17,400
Speaker 7: They're not functions of anything else. People as a group

2266
02:14:18,240 --> 02:14:23,880
Speaker 7: produce their culture, their cultures. Human beings are great because

2267
02:14:23,920 --> 02:14:27,360
Speaker 7: of the variety of cultures Black people have. Culture. Will

2268
02:14:27,400 --> 02:14:30,520
Speaker 7: we talk about something like soul? Nobody could do. There's

2269
02:14:30,960 --> 02:14:34,640
Speaker 7: a current program on television which talks about the black

2270
02:14:36,120 --> 02:14:41,120
Speaker 7: of league legro leagues baseball leagues, and it's one of

2271
02:14:41,200 --> 02:14:44,160
Speaker 7: the things that pointed out how the game that black

2272
02:14:44,200 --> 02:14:46,720
Speaker 7: people played at that time was totally different than the

2273
02:14:46,760 --> 02:14:50,040
Speaker 7: game that white people played, you know, because it had

2274
02:14:50,160 --> 02:14:51,200
Speaker 7: they talk about soul.

2275
02:14:51,960 --> 02:14:52,080
Speaker 12: Uh.

2276
02:14:52,280 --> 02:14:54,480
Speaker 7: You know, we have we we do everything with soul.

2277
02:14:54,520 --> 02:14:56,800
Speaker 7: We do everything and soul. What does that mean? What

2278
02:14:56,880 --> 02:14:59,280
Speaker 7: does it mean to have soul? It means that you

2279
02:14:59,400 --> 02:15:02,280
Speaker 7: have your relationship to each other and your relationship to

2280
02:15:02,400 --> 02:15:06,720
Speaker 7: nature is fundamentally different than other people's relationship today. You're

2281
02:15:06,840 --> 02:15:10,240
Speaker 7: connected to each other in a way that that that

2282
02:15:10,520 --> 02:15:19,400
Speaker 7: is rhythmic, that is uh uh, complementary, that is togetherness,

2283
02:15:19,560 --> 02:15:24,080
Speaker 7: in a way that that that supports your community. It

2284
02:15:24,240 --> 02:15:27,160
Speaker 7: focuses on the health and well being of your community,

2285
02:15:27,720 --> 02:15:30,440
Speaker 7: not on your personal wealth. The wealth that that that

2286
02:15:30,600 --> 02:15:33,360
Speaker 7: kind of capitalism, the kind of society that white people

2287
02:15:33,440 --> 02:15:36,080
Speaker 7: has forced us to live in, focuses on. So there

2288
02:15:36,320 --> 02:15:38,880
Speaker 7: are real differences here. There are differences that we have

2289
02:15:39,040 --> 02:15:42,880
Speaker 7: to to to understand. We have an identity. We are

2290
02:15:42,960 --> 02:15:46,080
Speaker 7: a people, and as a people, we deserve the right

2291
02:15:46,200 --> 02:15:48,160
Speaker 7: to work in our own interests. But most of our

2292
02:15:48,200 --> 02:15:52,560
Speaker 7: people think don't understand what that means. They don't understand

2293
02:15:53,160 --> 02:15:55,880
Speaker 7: how glorious and how great it is. They would rather

2294
02:15:56,080 --> 02:15:59,000
Speaker 7: be white than black. Now you have a people who

2295
02:15:59,040 --> 02:16:02,120
Speaker 7: would rather be white, like we would rather have thin noses,

2296
02:16:02,320 --> 02:16:05,280
Speaker 7: we would rather have straight hair. But you know, when

2297
02:16:05,320 --> 02:16:07,280
Speaker 7: you look at the black development, when you look at

2298
02:16:07,320 --> 02:16:10,480
Speaker 7: the levels of consciousness, look at James Brown when he's

2299
02:16:10,480 --> 02:16:12,600
Speaker 7: saying say it loud, I'm Black and I'm Proud, which

2300
02:16:12,680 --> 02:16:16,440
Speaker 7: is his greatest song. Really he's straightened his he he

2301
02:16:17,000 --> 02:16:21,120
Speaker 7: he had a bush. He he got rid of his

2302
02:16:21,960 --> 02:16:24,960
Speaker 7: processed head and wore a bush because that was a

2303
02:16:25,120 --> 02:16:27,000
Speaker 7: symbol of being proud of who you are.

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02:16:27,600 --> 02:16:28,640
Speaker 5: You're you know, you are.

2305
02:16:29,000 --> 02:16:31,800
Speaker 7: You know nowadays to go through a period in which

2306
02:16:32,120 --> 02:16:36,160
Speaker 7: we're losing some of that symbolism, although we have made games.

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02:16:36,480 --> 02:16:38,320
Speaker 1: So so let me jump in ask you well, what

2308
02:16:38,400 --> 02:16:40,400
Speaker 1: happened to James Brown because he only had that bush

2309
02:16:40,440 --> 02:16:43,080
Speaker 1: for that song for a period, then he went back.

2310
02:16:43,600 --> 02:16:44,920
Speaker 1: Did he backslide or what?

2311
02:16:45,400 --> 02:16:45,560
Speaker 4: Well?

2312
02:16:45,879 --> 02:16:48,720
Speaker 7: I mean know he represents black people. Black people only

2313
02:16:49,240 --> 02:16:51,720
Speaker 7: have gone back, and that's kind of the answer to

2314
02:16:51,760 --> 02:16:54,360
Speaker 7: your question. Many black people and young black people have

2315
02:16:54,520 --> 02:16:59,080
Speaker 7: gone back to the notion that you know, that they

2316
02:16:59,680 --> 02:17:02,959
Speaker 7: made don't need to be you know, black, black and proud.

2317
02:17:03,120 --> 02:17:06,160
Speaker 7: They can be there, you know, and they're what going

2318
02:17:06,320 --> 02:17:09,960
Speaker 7: back means. I'm not saying saying there's no such thing

2319
02:17:10,000 --> 02:17:13,800
Speaker 7: as race that's going back, you know, you get clearly

2320
02:17:13,879 --> 02:17:16,720
Speaker 7: there's such thing as where clearly race and culture connect

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02:17:16,840 --> 02:17:20,880
Speaker 7: connected and they're important. We have an identity. Our identity

2322
02:17:20,959 --> 02:17:23,400
Speaker 7: is based on our race and our culture and the

2323
02:17:23,480 --> 02:17:27,560
Speaker 7: way we look at life. Differently, we have black white people,

2324
02:17:27,600 --> 02:17:30,480
Speaker 7: I mean young black people. Many of them want to

2325
02:17:30,560 --> 02:17:34,600
Speaker 7: abandon that notion. They essentially abandon that notion is to

2326
02:17:34,720 --> 02:17:38,560
Speaker 7: take on white characteristics. They straighten their hair, you know,

2327
02:17:39,160 --> 02:17:47,680
Speaker 7: they take on characteristics of being you know, like their adversaries.

2328
02:17:48,720 --> 02:17:50,720
Speaker 7: They want to join that. They don't want to create

2329
02:17:50,800 --> 02:17:53,760
Speaker 7: society for themselves, they don't want to be strong for themselves.

2330
02:17:54,040 --> 02:17:57,920
Speaker 7: So this sea saw effect. You know, sometimes we're stronger,

2331
02:17:58,000 --> 02:17:59,760
Speaker 7: sometimes we're not so.

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02:18:00,360 --> 02:18:02,240
Speaker 1: Right now, hold up thought right there, Bablahoma. We got

2333
02:18:02,280 --> 02:18:04,760
Speaker 1: a step aside so our stations can identify themselves down there,

2334
02:18:04,760 --> 02:18:06,320
Speaker 1: and we got some folks want to talk to you too,

2335
02:18:06,959 --> 02:18:08,959
Speaker 1: and we'll get to them as well. Family, Youtubo can

2336
02:18:09,040 --> 02:18:11,600
Speaker 1: get in on this conversation with Baba La Mumba. Tokyo

2337
02:18:11,720 --> 02:18:13,560
Speaker 1: is going to go deep. Reach out to us at

2338
02:18:13,600 --> 02:18:16,920
Speaker 1: eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight seventy six

2339
02:18:16,959 --> 02:18:19,879
Speaker 1: and we'll take your phone calls next and Grand Rising family,

2340
02:18:19,959 --> 02:18:21,960
Speaker 1: thanks for rolling with us on this Tuesday morning with

2341
02:18:22,040 --> 02:18:24,480
Speaker 1: our guest Babba La Mumba. Babbla Boomba is one of

2342
02:18:24,560 --> 02:18:26,959
Speaker 1: our grills. He works out of a moja house in Washington,

2343
02:18:27,080 --> 02:18:29,160
Speaker 1: d C. So we have a council of elders and

2344
02:18:29,240 --> 02:18:31,840
Speaker 1: they meet and they have these discussions and then Babbla

2345
02:18:31,920 --> 02:18:34,920
Speaker 1: Muma brings it on and we have the topics, discuss

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Speaker 1: the topics on the radio. Then after that it's all

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02:18:37,480 --> 02:18:41,840
Speaker 1: in the barber shops and this beauty salons is discussing

2348
02:18:41,879 --> 02:18:44,320
Speaker 1: the same things that we talk about on the radio. Blabblaham.

2349
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Speaker 1: We got a bunch of folks want to talk to you.

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02:18:45,720 --> 02:18:49,359
Speaker 1: So let's take some calls for your brother cars to elevate.

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02:18:49,280 --> 02:18:51,960
Speaker 7: The sown a little bit again. After every time you

2352
02:18:52,040 --> 02:18:53,680
Speaker 7: go off, your town drops so.

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Speaker 1: I can barely okay when we go to commercials he drops.

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Speaker 1: All right, Kevin, push it up again for Baba la Mumba.

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Speaker 1: All right, thank you, all right? Cool. A brother calls

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Speaker 1: is in Waldof has a question for You's online one

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02:19:04,600 --> 02:19:07,320
Speaker 1: grand rising brother collus a question for Baba la Mumba.

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Speaker 15: Grand Rising, my dear brothers, and I want to thank

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Speaker 15: my dear brother because he is a great thinker, and

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Speaker 15: I have a question for him. But give me, just

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Speaker 15: bear with me just a second. On the matter of

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Speaker 15: Henry Lewis Skipped Gates. I lost respect for him when

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02:19:27,920 --> 02:19:30,400
Speaker 15: he allowed himself to be locked up on his own

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02:19:31,360 --> 02:19:36,840
Speaker 15: porch by the police officer, and he failed to fight

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02:19:37,080 --> 02:19:42,880
Speaker 15: that battle for himself and for our nation, and he

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02:19:44,240 --> 02:19:47,280
Speaker 15: co opted and went into the beers beer summit with

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02:19:47,440 --> 02:19:51,800
Speaker 15: that policeman. And what have you hoping to bring about

2368
02:19:51,879 --> 02:19:56,120
Speaker 15: Kumbaya which never happened. It never happened. So that's a

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Speaker 15: general comment. Now, the precepts that come out of what

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Speaker 15: you are talking about it comes out of the ice

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02:20:03,800 --> 02:20:08,320
Speaker 15: man's inheritance, And in one precept it says survival in

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Speaker 15: the in the frozen glacial environment demanded a specialized kind

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02:20:14,000 --> 02:20:21,320
Speaker 15: of man, the physical adaptectations beyond mere cultural tools. Now

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Speaker 15: I'm interpreting this cultural tools to say that the Caucasian

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02:20:27,280 --> 02:20:31,880
Speaker 15: uh came out of that ice environment and developed warfare

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02:20:32,840 --> 02:20:40,560
Speaker 15: and tools to uh uh conquer other civilizations and so forth,

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Speaker 15: such as ours. And then there's this other comment by

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02:20:45,920 --> 02:20:50,760
Speaker 15: a Ovidian that says white is interpreted it has having

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02:20:51,959 --> 02:20:58,560
Speaker 15: when having inheritance to everything, white when having inheritance to everything,

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Speaker 15: which seems to about in what we have in the

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02:21:02,720 --> 02:21:06,640
Speaker 15: country today. Now, as a great thinker, how can we

2382
02:21:06,800 --> 02:21:13,880
Speaker 15: jump that shark to get over those cultural tools that

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02:21:14,320 --> 02:21:19,040
Speaker 15: glacial environment which is very hard to penetrate and bring

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Speaker 15: about aspirations for our people in this environment.

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Speaker 7: My dear brother, let me just say that, you know,

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Speaker 7: as I said earlier, I think that the attitude that

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Speaker 7: white people bring to the world is one of insecurity,

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02:21:39,520 --> 02:21:44,920
Speaker 7: that they fear everyone, and that probably came from the

2389
02:21:45,080 --> 02:21:49,480
Speaker 7: environment that produced them, that made them with who they are. So,

2390
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Speaker 7: you know, how do we deal with this insecurity. Well,

2391
02:21:53,160 --> 02:21:57,000
Speaker 7: it produces us. You know, we have to change to

2392
02:21:57,160 --> 02:21:59,400
Speaker 7: the circumstances. We have to rise to the circumstances. The

2393
02:21:59,480 --> 02:22:02,680
Speaker 7: circumstances is that they seek to control us, and we

2394
02:22:02,840 --> 02:22:06,640
Speaker 7: seek to stop them from controlling us and to control ourselves.

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Speaker 7: The only way we can do that is becomes stronger

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Speaker 7: as a people. The only way to become stronger as

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Speaker 7: a people is to respect, love, and appreciate ourselves as

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Speaker 7: a people. How do we bring that about? Our unity

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Speaker 7: has to be a cultural unity. It has to be

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Speaker 7: based on our African ancestry, It has to be based

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Speaker 7: on our understand But we have to learn that since

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02:22:29,120 --> 02:22:31,800
Speaker 7: they took us away from us, they took our drums,

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02:22:31,840 --> 02:22:34,400
Speaker 7: they took our language, they took our culture away from us,

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Speaker 7: we have to regain that. We have to regain it

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Speaker 7: in a form which is interesting enough that unites us.

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02:22:41,400 --> 02:22:44,960
Speaker 7: In other words, when we were when they came and

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02:22:45,520 --> 02:22:48,840
Speaker 7: captured us and subjugated us, we had very very many,

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Speaker 7: many different tribes. We had many groups of people, all

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Speaker 7: of which pretty much, you know, sometimes they fought each

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02:22:56,320 --> 02:22:59,880
Speaker 7: other and most of the times they lived together harmonious, harmoniously.

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02:23:01,280 --> 02:23:07,080
Speaker 7: We need to we need some cultural connections that that

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02:23:07,520 --> 02:23:10,320
Speaker 7: that get us past our own tribes. And I would

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02:23:10,360 --> 02:23:15,120
Speaker 7: say that that an extension of our tribal identities is

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02:23:15,200 --> 02:23:18,080
Speaker 7: our national identities. If you see yourself as an American,

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02:23:18,200 --> 02:23:21,520
Speaker 7: that's kind of a you're part of the American tribe, dude.

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02:23:21,520 --> 02:23:23,400
Speaker 7: You know, if you see just as a Jamaican, you're

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02:23:23,440 --> 02:23:26,720
Speaker 7: sort of the Jamaican tribe. If you see yourself, you

2418
02:23:26,800 --> 02:23:29,240
Speaker 7: know it's a Ghanaian, You're part of the Ghanaian tribe.

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02:23:29,320 --> 02:23:31,879
Speaker 7: If you see yourself, you know, we have to bridge

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02:23:32,000 --> 02:23:37,680
Speaker 7: these differences between us. We have to actually create cultural connections.

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02:23:38,280 --> 02:23:41,119
Speaker 7: Now Kwanza then you know, we think of Kwanza as

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02:23:41,160 --> 02:23:44,680
Speaker 7: being an American gener but Kwanza is a way is

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02:23:44,720 --> 02:23:50,840
Speaker 7: an attempt at synthesizing African cultures to connecting. Synthesizing this

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02:23:50,920 --> 02:23:54,480
Speaker 7: way to connect those cultures people need to continue to have.

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Speaker 7: If you're a Nikhan, if you're a Yureba, if you're

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02:23:56,840 --> 02:24:00,640
Speaker 7: a Ghanaian, or if you're a Jamaican, etcet. You need

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Speaker 7: to retain those identities. So those things bring something to

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02:24:03,640 --> 02:24:06,840
Speaker 7: your identity, but you need to connect those identities with

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02:24:06,959 --> 02:24:10,880
Speaker 7: other black people. Kwanza does that. It says no, this

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Speaker 7: is what it means to be an African cooperative economics,

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02:24:14,120 --> 02:24:18,080
Speaker 7: the seven principles and Buzzie, et cetera. And it also

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02:24:18,160 --> 02:24:20,680
Speaker 7: gives us a way to practice that at least seven

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02:24:20,760 --> 02:24:23,880
Speaker 7: days out of the year we can focus on that.

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Speaker 7: We practice it all around, all through every year, but

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02:24:27,680 --> 02:24:30,760
Speaker 7: we focus it on those seven days. So we have

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Speaker 7: the vehicles. We're slowly building the vehicles that create the

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02:24:34,680 --> 02:24:40,560
Speaker 7: unity that we need to combat our adversaries aggressive tendency

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02:24:40,640 --> 02:24:44,119
Speaker 7: to exploit us and to use us. We're building those things,

2439
02:24:44,520 --> 02:24:47,200
Speaker 7: but we have to accelerate that building. We have to

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02:24:47,280 --> 02:24:53,039
Speaker 7: build work more in that direction. We have the elements

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02:24:53,160 --> 02:24:57,080
Speaker 7: that we need, the slow process of pulling them together

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02:24:57,200 --> 02:24:59,760
Speaker 7: in a way that allows Black people to connect these

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Speaker 7: to each other in a ways that can support each

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02:25:02,600 --> 02:25:08,320
Speaker 7: other and actually build and strengthen the entire segment of

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02:25:08,440 --> 02:25:10,560
Speaker 7: Black people in this world, because that's what we need

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Speaker 7: to do. We need Black people to be stronger because

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02:25:12,920 --> 02:25:15,280
Speaker 7: they have a base. That base was probably going to

2448
02:25:15,320 --> 02:25:18,000
Speaker 7: be in a continent of Africa, but it's going to

2449
02:25:18,080 --> 02:25:21,480
Speaker 7: have to be in a form that Africans are beginning

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02:25:21,560 --> 02:25:25,960
Speaker 7: to understand that require the black unity, that require cultural

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02:25:26,080 --> 02:25:29,920
Speaker 7: connections between us and those often come from the X

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02:25:30,000 --> 02:25:33,959
Speaker 7: slaves often come from us. That's why Garvey is so important.

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Speaker 7: Garby never went to Africa, but his legacy, his what

2454
02:25:38,080 --> 02:25:42,200
Speaker 7: he gave Africa is so powerful that he didn't have

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Speaker 7: to go to Africa.

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Speaker 4: But he would not have given it.

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Speaker 7: To Africa if he had not come from and wasn't

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Speaker 7: the children of ex slaves, if he didn't grow up

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02:25:52,000 --> 02:25:54,640
Speaker 7: in Jamaica, he didn't come to the United States and

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Speaker 7: connect with black people here who are moving the same direction.

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Speaker 7: The direction towards Black unity probably comes from the the

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Speaker 7: the the X slave from us, from people like Garvey,

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Speaker 7: from people who are who are subject to We provide

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02:26:13,680 --> 02:26:17,800
Speaker 7: the impetus for the Black unity or the Pan Africanism

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02:26:17,879 --> 02:26:19,800
Speaker 7: however you want to see that we need. That's why

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02:26:20,680 --> 02:26:24,160
Speaker 7: people like Stokely, people like Marcus Garvey, people you know,

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02:26:24,600 --> 02:26:29,480
Speaker 7: are critical to black people's future in terms of the

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02:26:29,680 --> 02:26:32,120
Speaker 7: unity we need and the tools that we need to

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02:26:32,200 --> 02:26:35,800
Speaker 7: produce that unity. QUANSA isn't a very very important tool.

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02:26:36,160 --> 02:26:40,200
Speaker 7: I tell everybody practice quand start there when it comes

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02:26:40,240 --> 02:26:44,359
Speaker 7: time to do what because that gives you the basis

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02:26:44,400 --> 02:26:48,199
Speaker 7: where a collective identity that makes use of African culture

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02:26:48,640 --> 02:26:52,640
Speaker 7: start there, uh and begin to build that. That's the tool,

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02:26:52,920 --> 02:26:56,959
Speaker 7: the tool that is an internal one. We we can

2475
02:26:57,080 --> 02:26:59,800
Speaker 7: fight this and we are we are we when we

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02:26:59,879 --> 02:27:03,360
Speaker 7: are fighting it and we are making progress. Natural hair

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Speaker 7: kwanza h all of these things. Dashige's you know.

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Speaker 9: I was.

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Speaker 7: I was thinking. The only mayor that in d C,

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Speaker 7: in this country that I receive wore dashigi was Marion Berry.

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Speaker 7: Mary Berry was probably the most important and significant mayor

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Speaker 7: we produced. But he came out of the movement. He

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02:27:21,720 --> 02:27:25,640
Speaker 7: became a Pan Africanist. He wore his dashiki, he had

2484
02:27:25,680 --> 02:27:30,880
Speaker 7: his bush he became he became mayor of the capital

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02:27:31,000 --> 02:27:34,320
Speaker 7: of the United States and did more for black people

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02:27:34,400 --> 02:27:37,320
Speaker 7: here than any other mayor has done for black people

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02:27:37,400 --> 02:27:40,200
Speaker 7: no matter where he was. That's because he understood and

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02:27:40,320 --> 02:27:43,640
Speaker 7: had that connection and those feelings about Africa and African

2489
02:27:43,720 --> 02:27:47,240
Speaker 7: identity and Africa and the importance of African identity too

2490
02:27:47,600 --> 02:27:50,400
Speaker 7: to our success as a people, and I mean as

2491
02:27:50,440 --> 02:27:51,640
Speaker 7: a people internationally.

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Speaker 9: Is all right?

2493
02:27:53,560 --> 02:27:55,160
Speaker 1: Hold that storry that got a bunch of more folks

2494
02:27:55,200 --> 02:27:56,960
Speaker 1: want to talk to you about blumber ten after the

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02:27:57,000 --> 02:28:00,120
Speaker 1: top there, Mike's in DC's online two grand right you

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02:28:00,240 --> 02:28:02,320
Speaker 1: Mike here with Baboloma. Your question for you?

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Speaker 3: I have a question.

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Speaker 9: You said, good morning, a grand rising of mister Nelson,

2499
02:28:07,640 --> 02:28:10,400
Speaker 9: mister Kevin and your guests. Usually I call him rebutto

2500
02:28:10,480 --> 02:28:11,800
Speaker 9: or I have a stakem but I have a question.

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02:28:12,520 --> 02:28:17,240
Speaker 9: Do you think that because America because of slavery, uh

2502
02:28:18,400 --> 02:28:23,640
Speaker 9: uncommitted or committed relationships by racial stuff like that? You know,

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02:28:23,720 --> 02:28:26,280
Speaker 9: we're so mixed up, you know, including me, you have

2504
02:28:26,480 --> 02:28:29,360
Speaker 9: all four races in me that we really don't identify

2505
02:28:29,640 --> 02:28:32,760
Speaker 9: with one race. And I just want to take the

2506
02:28:32,840 --> 02:28:35,240
Speaker 9: question off what you think about that, because you know,

2507
02:28:35,760 --> 02:28:37,880
Speaker 9: my aunt used to say, who are you today? And

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02:28:38,560 --> 02:28:40,200
Speaker 9: some of us, some of us are so mixed with

2509
02:28:40,280 --> 02:28:43,840
Speaker 9: so many different races, that could be a one of

2510
02:28:43,959 --> 02:28:45,920
Speaker 9: the things that's going on. I want to just here

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02:28:46,000 --> 02:28:46,600
Speaker 9: to say thank.

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02:28:46,480 --> 02:28:50,240
Speaker 1: You all right, interesting question, thanks Mike Babyloma. What say

2513
02:28:50,320 --> 02:28:52,400
Speaker 1: you is it's because we you know, and we're just

2514
02:28:52,480 --> 02:28:53,800
Speaker 1: having battle. It is just mixed.

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02:28:54,040 --> 02:28:56,880
Speaker 7: What do you say the core of identity if you

2516
02:28:57,000 --> 02:29:00,240
Speaker 7: see yourself as a as an African American or black

2517
02:29:00,280 --> 02:29:04,520
Speaker 7: American or a Negro, whatever you see yourself is Africa. Now,

2518
02:29:04,640 --> 02:29:07,320
Speaker 7: what how I got mixed up? And how you got

2519
02:29:07,440 --> 02:29:10,200
Speaker 7: you know, whatever you know. I don't care if you're

2520
02:29:10,480 --> 02:29:14,120
Speaker 7: you're ten percent or twenty percent or thirty percent or

2521
02:29:14,200 --> 02:29:17,400
Speaker 7: seventy percent or whatever you are of African ancestry. The

2522
02:29:17,480 --> 02:29:20,720
Speaker 7: core of your identity is still at the African. It

2523
02:29:20,800 --> 02:29:24,600
Speaker 7: ain't the the whatever else you got in you. You

2524
02:29:24,680 --> 02:29:29,680
Speaker 7: don't define yourself as being an Italian because sixty percent

2525
02:29:29,760 --> 02:29:32,680
Speaker 7: of your genes are attacked or come from Italy. You

2526
02:29:32,760 --> 02:29:36,879
Speaker 7: don't define yourself as being an Englishman because seventy five

2527
02:29:36,920 --> 02:29:40,440
Speaker 7: percent of your cook If ten percent of your comes

2528
02:29:40,720 --> 02:29:43,320
Speaker 7: from as being an African, then you're an African American.

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02:29:43,520 --> 02:29:45,880
Speaker 1: Now you oh, hold right there, though, Baba Lama. But

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02:29:45,959 --> 02:29:48,960
Speaker 1: who defines it for us? Because tiger woods tiger Woods

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02:29:49,080 --> 02:29:52,560
Speaker 1: say he's black as capilation. Don't white folks define who

2532
02:29:52,640 --> 02:29:52,880
Speaker 1: we are?

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02:29:53,640 --> 02:29:57,600
Speaker 7: Well, No, our situation defines it. We get oppressed, we

2534
02:29:57,760 --> 02:30:01,280
Speaker 7: get treated as though we are our group of people,

2535
02:30:01,720 --> 02:30:05,560
Speaker 7: and we either accept that or don't accept that redefined it. Well,

2536
02:30:05,640 --> 02:30:10,160
Speaker 7: you know if you decide that. For example, the issue

2537
02:30:10,160 --> 02:30:12,120
Speaker 7: of Walter White, which is interesting, I go back to

2538
02:30:12,640 --> 02:30:15,000
Speaker 7: everybody may or may not know who Walter White was.

2539
02:30:15,040 --> 02:30:17,800
Speaker 7: While the white is a person who really built the NAACP.

2540
02:30:18,000 --> 02:30:20,800
Speaker 7: Walter White is a person who guard who w B.

2541
02:30:20,959 --> 02:30:23,120
Speaker 7: Du Bois had a falling out this and why he

2542
02:30:23,280 --> 02:30:28,720
Speaker 7: left the Naact. Walter White was defined himself as a

2543
02:30:28,760 --> 02:30:31,080
Speaker 7: black man, even though he looked like a white man

2544
02:30:31,560 --> 02:30:34,440
Speaker 7: when he was probably much more white than he was black.

2545
02:30:34,680 --> 02:30:39,280
Speaker 7: But he carried himself. But he took the position, the

2546
02:30:39,400 --> 02:30:43,120
Speaker 7: position that integration and assimilation was what we had to seek.

2547
02:30:43,360 --> 02:30:46,440
Speaker 7: Because what other position could he take? What other positions

2548
02:30:46,480 --> 02:30:48,720
Speaker 7: of Walter White, who looked like a white man could take.

2549
02:30:48,959 --> 02:30:51,879
Speaker 7: He couldn't take the position that black people you needed

2550
02:30:51,920 --> 02:30:54,359
Speaker 7: to unite, because that would put him on the outside.

2551
02:30:55,360 --> 02:30:58,920
Speaker 7: But most of our people. Let's take Barack Obama as

2552
02:30:58,959 --> 02:31:02,040
Speaker 7: an Examplearack Obama gets to be a black man because

2553
02:31:02,080 --> 02:31:05,880
Speaker 7: his father was a Kenyan. Now did black Barack Obama

2554
02:31:06,000 --> 02:31:09,160
Speaker 7: tried to speak Swahili? Did Barack Obama tried to look

2555
02:31:09,240 --> 02:31:14,160
Speaker 7: and culturally identify with his with his with his father

2556
02:31:14,760 --> 02:31:17,280
Speaker 7: in any way? No, not at all.

2557
02:31:18,600 --> 02:31:22,280
Speaker 1: He's lucky to have again though, though, Baba. But you

2558
02:31:22,360 --> 02:31:24,520
Speaker 1: look at you see him. He's black, and it's is

2559
02:31:24,640 --> 02:31:29,480
Speaker 1: our society. See what about Tiger Woods. He doesn't identify

2560
02:31:29,520 --> 02:31:32,480
Speaker 1: as black, but the whole world scenes that he's black.

2561
02:31:32,920 --> 02:31:36,320
Speaker 7: In other words, you know, yeah, but you know everybody

2562
02:31:36,400 --> 02:31:40,199
Speaker 7: else identifies as black. Now, that's that's his struggle with himself,

2563
02:31:40,720 --> 02:31:44,240
Speaker 7: that's his own contradiction. He does not want to accept

2564
02:31:44,600 --> 02:31:48,040
Speaker 7: the identity of being a black person. That's because we

2565
02:31:48,160 --> 02:31:51,320
Speaker 7: don't have that much respect. If he had love for

2566
02:31:51,480 --> 02:31:54,880
Speaker 7: black people, if he knew what African society was like,

2567
02:31:55,320 --> 02:31:58,480
Speaker 7: if he identify with black people, then he would accept

2568
02:31:58,600 --> 02:32:02,280
Speaker 7: being a black person as opposed to a uh, you know,

2569
02:32:02,400 --> 02:32:05,640
Speaker 7: a non racial person or just a person whatever, whatever

2570
02:32:05,720 --> 02:32:09,000
Speaker 7: you want to call yourself. If you don't have an identity.

2571
02:32:08,640 --> 02:32:09,680
Speaker 5: What is this identity?

2572
02:32:09,720 --> 02:32:09,840
Speaker 8: Who?

2573
02:32:10,560 --> 02:32:10,680
Speaker 1: Who?

2574
02:32:10,920 --> 02:32:11,440
Speaker 4: What is he?

2575
02:32:12,720 --> 02:32:15,920
Speaker 7: And what he's When he asks himself that he answers,

2576
02:32:16,040 --> 02:32:19,480
Speaker 7: I'm a human being? Well what kind of human being

2577
02:32:19,560 --> 02:32:22,080
Speaker 7: are you? Well, I'm just a human being, a mixed

2578
02:32:22,160 --> 02:32:25,600
Speaker 7: human being. Well that's not an identity. That doesn't put

2579
02:32:25,640 --> 02:32:28,760
Speaker 7: you in That doesn't help you understand the world that

2580
02:32:28,840 --> 02:32:30,240
Speaker 7: you're in, what the conflict?

2581
02:32:30,560 --> 02:32:30,600
Speaker 3: What?

2582
02:32:31,320 --> 02:32:35,840
Speaker 7: That doesn't place your energy in any in any interest

2583
02:32:36,000 --> 02:32:39,600
Speaker 7: group that would benefit from that, That doesn't benefit humanity.

2584
02:32:40,320 --> 02:32:43,520
Speaker 7: You know, you're you're not going you in order to

2585
02:32:43,640 --> 02:32:46,040
Speaker 7: play in this world, you have to have an ideay,

2586
02:32:46,040 --> 02:32:48,400
Speaker 7: you have to be a part of a group. Now

2587
02:32:48,600 --> 02:32:51,480
Speaker 7: if we're if you don't accept that you're a black

2588
02:32:51,520 --> 02:32:54,880
Speaker 7: person and everybody else accepts you're a black person, you

2589
02:32:55,040 --> 02:32:59,640
Speaker 7: neutralize yourself. You become irrelevant, You're no longer a factor

2590
02:32:59,680 --> 02:33:04,400
Speaker 7: in life. You know, you, in order to be an

2591
02:33:04,440 --> 02:33:07,920
Speaker 7: effective human being have to work in the interest of

2592
02:33:08,080 --> 02:33:11,560
Speaker 7: your your own identity, which means you accept that identity

2593
02:33:11,600 --> 02:33:14,240
Speaker 7: and work in the interest of it that you know.

2594
02:33:14,680 --> 02:33:18,920
Speaker 7: Of course, you have the right to declare yourself something,

2595
02:33:19,320 --> 02:33:22,680
Speaker 7: but that just means you don't respect that that entity.

2596
02:33:23,080 --> 02:33:26,680
Speaker 7: You don't have a positive feeling. So being a black people,

2597
02:33:26,959 --> 02:33:30,480
Speaker 7: that's all that means. Because if you loved black people,

2598
02:33:30,640 --> 02:33:32,880
Speaker 7: you would want to identify with him, no matter how

2599
02:33:32,959 --> 02:33:33,920
Speaker 7: much black blood.

2600
02:33:33,720 --> 02:33:36,879
Speaker 1: You had in you and hold authoria there. We got

2601
02:33:36,959 --> 02:33:38,920
Speaker 1: to step aside from a moment. But could it be

2602
02:33:39,040 --> 02:33:42,640
Speaker 1: that he didn't want to isolate one of his parents,

2603
02:33:42,760 --> 02:33:45,480
Speaker 1: one's parents black and one's Asian for him, or or

2604
02:33:45,800 --> 02:33:48,040
Speaker 1: with other folks want's black ones. Why if they are

2605
02:33:48,120 --> 02:33:50,120
Speaker 1: forced to make a decision, they don't want to they

2606
02:33:50,240 --> 02:33:52,240
Speaker 1: want to hurt, or they don't want to disown the

2607
02:33:52,320 --> 02:33:55,520
Speaker 1: one that the other person. I'll let you, I'll let

2608
02:33:55,560 --> 02:33:58,400
Speaker 1: you analyze that when we get back Babble of Man,

2609
02:33:58,440 --> 02:33:59,760
Speaker 1: we got some more people want to talk to you.

2610
02:34:00,240 --> 02:34:02,320
Speaker 1: I'm sure they will talk to you more about that

2611
02:34:02,480 --> 02:34:04,680
Speaker 1: as well. Sixteen Alf the top of our family. You

2612
02:34:04,760 --> 02:34:07,400
Speaker 1: two can join our discussion with Babla La Mumba. He's

2613
02:34:07,720 --> 02:34:09,880
Speaker 1: one of our grills at an Moosia house in Washington,

2614
02:34:10,000 --> 02:34:12,160
Speaker 1: DC and you can reach them at eight hundred four

2615
02:34:12,280 --> 02:34:15,400
Speaker 1: or five zero seventy eight seventy six. Take your phone

2616
02:34:15,440 --> 02:34:18,360
Speaker 1: calls next and Grand Rising family, thanks for flowing with

2617
02:34:18,480 --> 02:34:20,960
Speaker 1: us on this Tuesday morning with Babbla La Mumba. Bambla

2618
02:34:21,000 --> 02:34:24,440
Speaker 1: La Mumba's a mension is a grill out of Washington,

2619
02:34:24,520 --> 02:34:26,359
Speaker 1: DC and babl La Uma Before I left the breakout

2620
02:34:26,360 --> 02:34:29,560
Speaker 1: and I used Tiger as as an example because everybody

2621
02:34:29,600 --> 02:34:32,600
Speaker 1: know who Tiger Woods is. We did a whole program

2622
02:34:32,680 --> 02:34:37,040
Speaker 1: with on this in La about biracial just biracial identity,

2623
02:34:37,120 --> 02:34:40,120
Speaker 1: who they were, and many of them accused those of us,

2624
02:34:40,360 --> 02:34:43,119
Speaker 1: those of us who are not biracial, of asking them

2625
02:34:43,280 --> 02:34:46,360
Speaker 1: or trying to force them to choose. One One of

2626
02:34:46,400 --> 02:34:49,320
Speaker 1: the common threads for this that most of the fathers

2627
02:34:49,360 --> 02:34:52,400
Speaker 1: were black and their mothers were either Asian or white.

2628
02:34:53,240 --> 02:34:55,840
Speaker 1: But they said, we look at them and try to

2629
02:34:55,959 --> 02:34:59,480
Speaker 1: force them to become become black, and they can't become

2630
02:34:59,600 --> 02:35:02,360
Speaker 1: totally black, because that would that would sort of, you know,

2631
02:35:02,680 --> 02:35:06,480
Speaker 1: turn their backs on their moms. Your response, well, would

2632
02:35:06,480 --> 02:35:07,199
Speaker 1: you take.

2633
02:35:07,040 --> 02:35:10,240
Speaker 7: It this way, Carl, I don't care how much of

2634
02:35:10,560 --> 02:35:12,880
Speaker 7: something other group that you have in you. I don't

2635
02:35:12,879 --> 02:35:17,200
Speaker 7: care if you're sixty five percent England English, the English

2636
02:35:17,240 --> 02:35:19,880
Speaker 7: are not going to accept you as an Englishman. I

2637
02:35:19,959 --> 02:35:25,199
Speaker 7: don't care if you're six seventy eighty percent is Japanese.

2638
02:35:25,760 --> 02:35:28,440
Speaker 7: If you got twenty percent black butter and you're going

2639
02:35:28,480 --> 02:35:31,640
Speaker 7: to be a black person in Japan, you're not going

2640
02:35:31,720 --> 02:35:34,400
Speaker 7: to be Japanese. You're not going to people will not

2641
02:35:34,600 --> 02:35:38,000
Speaker 7: accept you. Only people who will accept us in the

2642
02:35:38,120 --> 02:35:41,440
Speaker 7: small is black people. You will be accepted by black people.

2643
02:35:41,560 --> 02:35:45,200
Speaker 7: If you're five percent, one percent, two percent, three percent,

2644
02:35:45,360 --> 02:35:48,200
Speaker 7: doesn't matter. No other group of people will do that.

2645
02:35:48,840 --> 02:35:52,240
Speaker 7: You're not going to be accepted and participate as an

2646
02:35:52,320 --> 02:35:56,119
Speaker 7: equal in any group other than black people. Period. You're

2647
02:35:56,200 --> 02:35:59,800
Speaker 7: just not you know, I don't care how what's your citation,

2648
02:36:00,080 --> 02:36:04,760
Speaker 7: what your actual makeup is. We're the only people who

2649
02:36:04,800 --> 02:36:08,360
Speaker 7: will include you as a part of our group. Other

2650
02:36:08,440 --> 02:36:11,280
Speaker 7: groups will not include you as part of their group,

2651
02:36:11,720 --> 02:36:16,200
Speaker 7: even though you may be more than fifty percent genetically

2652
02:36:16,720 --> 02:36:20,440
Speaker 7: or biologically a part of their group. Your parents may be,

2653
02:36:20,959 --> 02:36:23,279
Speaker 7: you're not going to you. I don't care how Japanese

2654
02:36:23,320 --> 02:36:26,040
Speaker 7: you speak. You're gonna be a black person living in Japan.

2655
02:36:26,280 --> 02:36:30,440
Speaker 7: I don't period. You're not going You have to. Your

2656
02:36:30,560 --> 02:36:33,960
Speaker 7: identity is as a black person, and to what degree

2657
02:36:34,080 --> 02:36:36,520
Speaker 7: you fight that is the degree in which you become

2658
02:36:36,640 --> 02:36:40,640
Speaker 7: irrelevant in the world that we live in. We will

2659
02:36:40,800 --> 02:36:44,400
Speaker 7: include you. You can be part of black people. You

2660
02:36:44,400 --> 02:36:47,040
Speaker 7: can be part of black culture if you if you

2661
02:36:47,160 --> 02:36:49,960
Speaker 7: grab hold of that, if you accept that, we're the

2662
02:36:50,080 --> 02:36:53,200
Speaker 7: only people who you can be a part of if

2663
02:36:53,240 --> 02:36:57,800
Speaker 7: you are. That's what Walk the White's problem was. He

2664
02:36:58,000 --> 02:37:01,880
Speaker 7: looked white, but he knew he was black, and he

2665
02:37:02,080 --> 02:37:04,720
Speaker 7: even passed as a white as white people when he

2666
02:37:04,920 --> 02:37:08,000
Speaker 7: when we had to find out information, for example, about lynchings,

2667
02:37:08,320 --> 02:37:10,200
Speaker 7: he would go amongst white people who thought he was

2668
02:37:10,240 --> 02:37:13,880
Speaker 7: a white person, get information and bring it back to us. Well,

2669
02:37:13,920 --> 02:37:17,240
Speaker 7: that was the but that distorted his view in terms

2670
02:37:17,280 --> 02:37:20,360
Speaker 7: of what our goal is. He still felt that our

2671
02:37:20,440 --> 02:37:23,960
Speaker 7: goal was to assimilate and believed to make race irrelevant.

2672
02:37:24,160 --> 02:37:27,640
Speaker 7: Race is never going to be irrelevant, period. It's just

2673
02:37:27,840 --> 02:37:31,200
Speaker 7: not the case. You are going to be identified as

2674
02:37:31,240 --> 02:37:33,880
Speaker 7: a black person, and black people will be the only

2675
02:37:33,959 --> 02:37:37,080
Speaker 7: people who will accept you, no matter whatever else you

2676
02:37:37,200 --> 02:37:40,840
Speaker 7: got in you. If you're discernible exact you are the

2677
02:37:40,959 --> 02:37:44,240
Speaker 7: only option is to identify with black people because we're

2678
02:37:44,280 --> 02:37:47,080
Speaker 7: the only people who will accept you, and and but

2679
02:37:47,720 --> 02:37:50,720
Speaker 7: so you. In order to be relevant, you have to

2680
02:37:50,760 --> 02:37:50,959
Speaker 7: be a.

2681
02:37:51,000 --> 02:37:53,960
Speaker 1: Part of us, not a pro Because you got a

2682
02:37:53,959 --> 02:37:56,000
Speaker 1: bunch of folks want to talk to you about ballahoma

2683
02:37:56,240 --> 02:37:58,400
Speaker 1: a twenty four alf the tough They us go to Atlanta,

2684
02:37:58,640 --> 02:38:01,360
Speaker 1: a Beeve's waiting for us online for Grand Rising or

2685
02:38:01,360 --> 02:38:03,199
Speaker 1: baby a question for Babla lah momba.

2686
02:38:04,720 --> 02:38:07,200
Speaker 16: Grand Rise and blah blah blah Grand Rise and blah

2687
02:38:07,240 --> 02:38:12,320
Speaker 16: blah blah. I want to speak on accountability for each generation,

2688
02:38:12,720 --> 02:38:17,160
Speaker 16: and I would start with the three disciplines produce, protect

2689
02:38:17,800 --> 02:38:21,600
Speaker 16: and produce, preserve and protect, so bah blah. Constantly for years,

2690
02:38:21,640 --> 02:38:25,680
Speaker 16: I have asked myself, how would I sell Black liberation

2691
02:38:25,879 --> 02:38:30,600
Speaker 16: and self reliance versus Black simulation or the system white supremacy.

2692
02:38:30,680 --> 02:38:33,520
Speaker 16: And that's the question I asked you because if someone

2693
02:38:33,640 --> 02:38:36,400
Speaker 16: came they say, okay, at this moment talking, you say

2694
02:38:36,480 --> 02:38:39,280
Speaker 16: I need a house, I need food, I need clothing,

2695
02:38:39,360 --> 02:38:43,760
Speaker 16: a job. Where are those institutes? And that's why I

2696
02:38:43,920 --> 02:38:46,880
Speaker 16: see the as I call myself a stolar African and

2697
02:38:47,000 --> 02:38:49,040
Speaker 16: this not apply to me. I'm speaking for a millennium

2698
02:38:49,600 --> 02:38:52,640
Speaker 16: or many people in our community not speaking form. But

2699
02:38:52,760 --> 02:38:55,800
Speaker 16: that's what they struggled. Our institutes that we produced. We

2700
02:38:55,920 --> 02:38:58,680
Speaker 16: didn't preserve or protect them. So if you if you're

2701
02:38:58,680 --> 02:39:01,440
Speaker 16: a salesman and you're looking to buy, you're like, okay,

2702
02:39:01,560 --> 02:39:04,160
Speaker 16: where can't get the job back? We don't have factories

2703
02:39:04,280 --> 02:39:07,560
Speaker 16: to hire those people. As you say, Kwans are outstanding.

2704
02:39:07,680 --> 02:39:13,640
Speaker 16: Culture is a culture. I can't find the language, culture, discipline.

2705
02:39:14,080 --> 02:39:16,440
Speaker 16: But the institute, just like the Black Church was an

2706
02:39:16,480 --> 02:39:19,320
Speaker 16: institute where you can go praise. It's like, where's the institutes?

2707
02:39:19,320 --> 02:39:22,560
Speaker 16: And I think that's where constantly the stolen African mind

2708
02:39:22,640 --> 02:39:24,640
Speaker 16: or the African mind where you talk about the continent.

2709
02:39:24,920 --> 02:39:28,400
Speaker 16: If you need a house, a job, or food, can

2710
02:39:28,560 --> 02:39:31,280
Speaker 16: Black liberation and self realions do that? And I think

2711
02:39:31,640 --> 02:39:33,800
Speaker 16: I was just wonder what would be your selling point

2712
02:39:33,800 --> 02:39:35,840
Speaker 16: if you have someone ask you okay, I go this

2713
02:39:35,959 --> 02:39:40,080
Speaker 16: well that way and have outstanding excordinate African. They have

2714
02:39:40,280 --> 02:39:42,960
Speaker 16: African Harrish's money and bless all the ancestors around you.

2715
02:39:43,320 --> 02:39:45,400
Speaker 16: I Santi Signa and I compete on SNA.

2716
02:39:48,879 --> 02:39:52,000
Speaker 1: Okay, hello, yeah, go ahead.

2717
02:39:52,720 --> 02:39:56,280
Speaker 7: Uh you know, I think the dilemma is the real one.

2718
02:39:56,360 --> 02:39:59,960
Speaker 7: I think it's interesting because your previous guests talked about

2719
02:40:00,040 --> 02:40:02,480
Speaker 7: Booker T. Washington, and the Booker T. Washington had kind

2720
02:40:02,520 --> 02:40:05,119
Speaker 7: of figured it out. Your your job is the yes,

2721
02:40:05,320 --> 02:40:08,640
Speaker 7: to get what you need from them, but make sure

2722
02:40:08,680 --> 02:40:12,760
Speaker 7: that you use it and to serve the ultimate goal

2723
02:40:12,879 --> 02:40:15,720
Speaker 7: of black people, which is not the ultimate goal of

2724
02:40:15,800 --> 02:40:21,120
Speaker 7: black people. Can't be uh dependence on them, uh the

2725
02:40:21,280 --> 02:40:23,640
Speaker 7: ultimate goal. So you get what you need from them,

2726
02:40:23,720 --> 02:40:25,880
Speaker 7: which is a house, which is a job, which is

2727
02:40:25,959 --> 02:40:28,720
Speaker 7: et cetera. But you make use of what you get

2728
02:40:29,160 --> 02:40:31,640
Speaker 7: to serve the interest of black people and make black

2729
02:40:31,680 --> 02:40:35,640
Speaker 7: people stronger. That is which is what what Booker T did,

2730
02:40:36,200 --> 02:40:38,720
Speaker 7: which is what Marcus Garvey did, which is what all

2731
02:40:38,800 --> 02:40:40,400
Speaker 7: of our people have done.

2732
02:40:40,480 --> 02:40:43,640
Speaker 4: We use what we have, but we use it in a.

2733
02:40:43,680 --> 02:40:48,679
Speaker 7: Way that strengthens our independents. Are are not our assimilation.

2734
02:40:49,680 --> 02:40:52,480
Speaker 7: You know, we you know, we're in a situation where

2735
02:40:52,560 --> 02:40:55,000
Speaker 7: we have to you know, yeah, you got to have

2736
02:40:55,240 --> 02:40:57,119
Speaker 7: food to eat, You've got to have a place to live,

2737
02:40:57,240 --> 02:40:59,600
Speaker 7: you got to have a job, you got to have.

2738
02:40:59,800 --> 02:41:03,199
Speaker 7: All these things come from the society. That doesn't mean

2739
02:41:03,760 --> 02:41:07,400
Speaker 7: that you have you are committed to. You're dedicated to

2740
02:41:07,840 --> 02:41:11,800
Speaker 7: perpetuating that society. It means you take those things that

2741
02:41:11,959 --> 02:41:15,840
Speaker 7: you need and you use them as much as possible

2742
02:41:16,400 --> 02:41:21,640
Speaker 7: to help the independence of black people. You know, that's

2743
02:41:21,720 --> 02:41:25,920
Speaker 7: what you do that you you make use of those things. So,

2744
02:41:26,280 --> 02:41:29,000
Speaker 7: I mean, Booker t figured it out. Why can't we

2745
02:41:29,120 --> 02:41:33,640
Speaker 7: figure it out? You know, why can't we? Kathy Hughes

2746
02:41:33,680 --> 02:41:36,360
Speaker 7: has figured it out. You know, everybody's figured it out.

2747
02:41:36,480 --> 02:41:40,160
Speaker 7: We use it to bick our people stronger. She uses

2748
02:41:40,240 --> 02:41:42,400
Speaker 7: it to give us this radio station. We wouldn't have

2749
02:41:42,520 --> 02:41:46,439
Speaker 7: the Carl Nelson Show if it wasn't for her understanding

2750
02:41:46,800 --> 02:41:49,960
Speaker 7: that her job was to get what she needed and

2751
02:41:50,120 --> 02:41:52,920
Speaker 7: get what black people needed and to serve their interests

2752
02:41:53,560 --> 02:41:57,400
Speaker 7: through those purposes. So that's what we do. That's the process.

2753
02:41:57,560 --> 02:42:01,360
Speaker 7: The process is not it's not either or it's both,

2754
02:42:02,240 --> 02:42:06,600
Speaker 7: but the focal point the goal is to strengthen your people.

2755
02:42:07,879 --> 02:42:10,920
Speaker 7: If you keep your mind on strengthening your people, then

2756
02:42:11,320 --> 02:42:14,920
Speaker 7: you use and gain what you need to survive because

2757
02:42:15,640 --> 02:42:18,640
Speaker 7: you surviving also help strengthen your people. You're a first

2758
02:42:18,640 --> 02:42:21,320
Speaker 7: of black persons. If you're doing well, then you're in

2759
02:42:21,360 --> 02:42:23,440
Speaker 7: a position to help other black people. You're in the

2760
02:42:23,520 --> 02:42:25,840
Speaker 7: position to grow, You're in the vision to help them

2761
02:42:25,920 --> 02:42:28,960
Speaker 7: develop and what. But it's the direction in which you

2762
02:42:29,080 --> 02:42:32,600
Speaker 7: grow and develop that is a critical element. Grow towards

2763
02:42:32,680 --> 02:42:38,160
Speaker 7: our own strength, strengthen black people. Don't assimilate ourselves out

2764
02:42:38,160 --> 02:42:41,520
Speaker 7: of existence. Don't use that to make to become them

2765
02:42:42,240 --> 02:42:46,120
Speaker 7: or like them, or serve them. You use it as

2766
02:42:46,200 --> 02:42:49,560
Speaker 7: much as possible to serve your people. When that's not possible,

2767
02:42:49,640 --> 02:42:53,560
Speaker 7: you do what you can. So you know, yes, it

2768
02:42:53,600 --> 02:42:57,320
Speaker 7: seems like a contradiction, but it's not a contradition. If

2769
02:42:57,360 --> 02:42:59,800
Speaker 7: Booker t washing and can figure it out, then you

2770
02:43:00,160 --> 02:43:01,840
Speaker 7: figure it out in your own life.

2771
02:43:03,040 --> 02:43:05,480
Speaker 1: All right, Hold up there there some more folks want

2772
02:43:05,520 --> 02:43:07,200
Speaker 1: to talk to you. Thirty minutes after. That's how they

2773
02:43:07,200 --> 02:43:10,120
Speaker 1: are with Baba Lamumba. Abdul's reaching out to us in

2774
02:43:10,280 --> 02:43:14,000
Speaker 1: Baltimore Online five Grand Rising. Abdul, your question for Baba

2775
02:43:14,080 --> 02:43:16,400
Speaker 1: La Mumba Grand.

2776
02:43:16,280 --> 02:43:19,080
Speaker 5: Rising, Grand Rising. Thank you very much. Thank you, Baba

2777
02:43:19,120 --> 02:43:22,960
Speaker 5: la Mumba. You're you're a brilliant man. You've said what

2778
02:43:23,120 --> 02:43:25,960
Speaker 5: I've heard many times on the Carl Nelson Show that

2779
02:43:26,320 --> 02:43:31,119
Speaker 5: unity is probably the key to what we need. You've

2780
02:43:31,160 --> 02:43:35,440
Speaker 5: also suggested that we could start with the principles of

2781
02:43:35,600 --> 02:43:41,520
Speaker 5: Kwanza and that we can make that surrounding anchor point

2782
02:43:41,640 --> 02:43:44,800
Speaker 5: you have to build upon. I'm going to push back

2783
02:43:44,840 --> 02:43:48,680
Speaker 5: a little bit and suggest that since nineteen sixty six

2784
02:43:48,760 --> 02:43:52,320
Speaker 5: when those principles were established, it's been a long slog,

2785
02:43:52,879 --> 02:43:54,600
Speaker 5: and you have a group of people who embrace it,

2786
02:43:54,680 --> 02:43:58,720
Speaker 5: but it's not a system. My question is two two questions.

2787
02:43:58,760 --> 02:44:02,840
Speaker 5: The first question is who are the two leaders that

2788
02:44:02,959 --> 02:44:06,520
Speaker 5: you suggest that that could and should work together in

2789
02:44:06,680 --> 02:44:11,480
Speaker 5: terms of bringing the unity that we need. I don't

2790
02:44:11,520 --> 02:44:13,480
Speaker 5: think the people are just going to unite on their own.

2791
02:44:13,600 --> 02:44:16,039
Speaker 5: We need leadership. And the only person I see out

2792
02:44:16,080 --> 02:44:19,760
Speaker 5: there that's not a politician is Al Sharpened. So if

2793
02:44:19,800 --> 02:44:21,840
Speaker 5: you can give me some suggestions and say, okay, maybe

2794
02:44:21,879 --> 02:44:24,600
Speaker 5: if Al and this person work together, then that would

2795
02:44:24,600 --> 02:44:28,520
Speaker 5: help to stoke the unity. The second question you speak

2796
02:44:28,520 --> 02:44:32,119
Speaker 5: about with regard isrue regard to identity and building upon

2797
02:44:32,240 --> 02:44:36,880
Speaker 5: principles like Kwanza. I of course submit that the only

2798
02:44:37,640 --> 02:44:41,760
Speaker 5: system that applies to every aspect of our life that

2799
02:44:41,920 --> 02:44:42,800
Speaker 5: is comprehensive.

2800
02:44:43,360 --> 02:44:44,000
Speaker 8: Is Islam.

2801
02:44:44,440 --> 02:44:47,360
Speaker 5: It tells us when to come together, not just once

2802
02:44:47,400 --> 02:44:50,240
Speaker 5: a year during the during Christmas or at post Christmas,

2803
02:44:50,440 --> 02:44:52,480
Speaker 5: but it tells us how to come together five times

2804
02:44:52,520 --> 02:44:55,120
Speaker 5: a day. It tells us what directions to prayer, tells

2805
02:44:55,200 --> 02:44:57,480
Speaker 5: us how to stand toward each other, tells us what

2806
02:44:57,600 --> 02:45:00,160
Speaker 5: to say in our supplication. It tells us when to

2807
02:45:00,240 --> 02:45:03,200
Speaker 5: strive and fast together so that we're experiencing the same

2808
02:45:03,360 --> 02:45:07,160
Speaker 5: level of kind of a voluntary suffering. It provides guidance

2809
02:45:07,240 --> 02:45:11,040
Speaker 5: on the family owned business. Islam, I believe is the

2810
02:45:11,280 --> 02:45:16,840
Speaker 5: only comprehensive adult system that provides both the identity that

2811
02:45:16,920 --> 02:45:19,680
Speaker 5: we're looking for that you suggest we need because you

2812
02:45:19,720 --> 02:45:22,440
Speaker 5: said we have to stand for something, and as a Muslim,

2813
02:45:22,760 --> 02:45:26,000
Speaker 5: you stand for peace. That's what Islam means. It also

2814
02:45:26,080 --> 02:45:30,560
Speaker 5: provides us that comprehensive way by which we can constantly

2815
02:45:30,840 --> 02:45:33,480
Speaker 5: feel that we're making progress, not just a once a

2816
02:45:33,560 --> 02:45:35,840
Speaker 5: year since nineteen sixty six kind of things. Try to

2817
02:45:35,879 --> 02:45:40,120
Speaker 5: build upon that. So the second question is how do

2818
02:45:40,200 --> 02:45:45,000
Speaker 5: you feel you are you willing to offer or accept

2819
02:45:45,680 --> 02:45:48,959
Speaker 5: or suggest that a comprehensive system, whether it be Islam

2820
02:45:49,080 --> 02:45:52,560
Speaker 5: or any other comprehensive system that somebody else believes, you

2821
02:45:52,640 --> 02:45:56,760
Speaker 5: know that they can proffer. Are you willing to suggest

2822
02:45:56,959 --> 02:46:00,680
Speaker 5: to accept that Islam does offer one much way by

2823
02:46:00,800 --> 02:46:04,199
Speaker 5: which the community can come together, the nations can come together,

2824
02:46:04,480 --> 02:46:07,480
Speaker 5: and the world can come together under one banner of peace.

2825
02:46:08,160 --> 02:46:11,040
Speaker 1: All right, thanks Abdi Babba la Mumba.

2826
02:46:11,760 --> 02:46:15,800
Speaker 7: Well, let me just say this, Islam is a religion.

2827
02:46:17,280 --> 02:46:18,760
Speaker 7: We have a lot of religions.

2828
02:46:19,040 --> 02:46:20,160
Speaker 13: We have different religions.

2829
02:46:20,640 --> 02:46:23,240
Speaker 7: You know of people practice religion all over the world.

2830
02:46:23,360 --> 02:46:28,560
Speaker 7: Christianity realis I don't think that the cultural when we

2831
02:46:28,680 --> 02:46:31,560
Speaker 7: come together, we're going to be a diverse people. We're

2832
02:46:31,600 --> 02:46:34,600
Speaker 7: not going to practice one religion and we become together.

2833
02:46:35,160 --> 02:46:38,320
Speaker 7: You will be people who practice a Khan religion, you

2834
02:46:38,520 --> 02:46:41,480
Speaker 7: practice You're a religion. There people who practice is Law.

2835
02:46:41,640 --> 02:46:46,400
Speaker 7: There's people who will practice Christianity, you know Black Christian

2836
02:46:46,520 --> 02:46:49,920
Speaker 7: Nationalism for example. You're going to have to create a

2837
02:46:50,120 --> 02:46:54,240
Speaker 7: foundation which involves all these all these religions have to

2838
02:46:54,280 --> 02:46:57,119
Speaker 7: work together under the under the guys, but black unity.

2839
02:46:57,680 --> 02:47:00,959
Speaker 7: We black people are not going to uni by under

2840
02:47:01,040 --> 02:47:04,480
Speaker 7: one religion. That's just not going to happen and it's

2841
02:47:04,520 --> 02:47:07,240
Speaker 7: not going to be the vehicle that allows for that

2842
02:47:07,400 --> 02:47:11,480
Speaker 7: to happen. We're not. We cannot that's just not going

2843
02:47:11,560 --> 02:47:15,040
Speaker 7: to happen. And it can't. And you know, we have

2844
02:47:15,200 --> 02:47:18,600
Speaker 7: to have respect. You know, we have to have a

2845
02:47:18,680 --> 02:47:21,280
Speaker 7: society that's pluralistic. You know, we have to have a

2846
02:47:21,360 --> 02:47:25,800
Speaker 7: society where our unity won't be. Unanimity just won't be.

2847
02:47:26,280 --> 02:47:30,359
Speaker 7: It can't be. We have to work away connect ourselves

2848
02:47:30,440 --> 02:47:34,320
Speaker 7: so that in the Pan African context doesn't mean a

2849
02:47:34,440 --> 02:47:38,760
Speaker 7: pan Islamic context, it doesn't mean Panurable context. It doesn't

2850
02:47:38,840 --> 02:47:43,960
Speaker 7: mean a God God context, It doesn't mean a Christian context,

2851
02:47:44,280 --> 02:47:49,000
Speaker 7: it doesn't mean a religious context. Culture and religion has

2852
02:47:49,080 --> 02:47:53,120
Speaker 7: to even though culture comes from from a religion comes

2853
02:47:53,160 --> 02:47:56,080
Speaker 7: from culture, they have to be separated. It has to

2854
02:47:56,160 --> 02:47:59,640
Speaker 7: be a cultural context, not a religious context. We must

2855
02:47:59,720 --> 02:48:02,600
Speaker 7: permit people to have their own set of beliefs about

2856
02:48:02,640 --> 02:48:07,360
Speaker 7: their own religion. Religion is a phenomena that allows for beliefs.

2857
02:48:07,480 --> 02:48:09,840
Speaker 7: We don't we don't have to use it. And you know,

2858
02:48:09,920 --> 02:48:12,760
Speaker 7: if you believe that Mary was a vision, for example,

2859
02:48:12,840 --> 02:48:17,120
Speaker 7: what you had Christ, that that's your belief. Nobody can

2860
02:48:17,200 --> 02:48:20,920
Speaker 7: tell you that that scientifically that didn't make that's your belief.

2861
02:48:21,040 --> 02:48:22,960
Speaker 7: So you have a right to believe that you have

2862
02:48:23,040 --> 02:48:25,600
Speaker 7: a right to believe whatever your religion tells you believe,

2863
02:48:25,680 --> 02:48:29,400
Speaker 7: because the domain of religion is the domain of beliefs.

2864
02:48:29,879 --> 02:48:31,720
Speaker 7: It is not the domain of proof, it is not

2865
02:48:31,840 --> 02:48:35,360
Speaker 7: the domain of a dominance. It's not the the domain

2866
02:48:35,520 --> 02:48:40,920
Speaker 7: of of of providing all the answers. We must allow

2867
02:48:41,040 --> 02:48:44,480
Speaker 7: other people to have their say, their religious viewpoint. So

2868
02:48:44,640 --> 02:48:47,600
Speaker 7: when we come together, we must come together. We cannot

2869
02:48:47,720 --> 02:48:50,520
Speaker 7: use a religion as a basis for all us for

2870
02:48:50,760 --> 02:48:54,080
Speaker 7: all unity as a people. That just will not work

2871
02:48:54,879 --> 02:48:58,640
Speaker 7: and it can't happen as simple as that.

2872
02:49:00,280 --> 02:49:03,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know it was interesting too, uh Babylon. He

2873
02:49:03,160 --> 02:49:06,120
Speaker 1: mentioned that you know Shopton as a leader and he

2874
02:49:06,160 --> 02:49:08,480
Speaker 1: says he's a Muslim. He didn't mention minister fire Gun

2875
02:49:08,600 --> 02:49:10,360
Speaker 1: he may not be a member of the nation, might

2876
02:49:10,440 --> 02:49:14,080
Speaker 1: be assuming he Muslim or some other branch of Islam,

2877
02:49:14,560 --> 02:49:17,480
Speaker 1: but he left out minister fire Gun and if he

2878
02:49:17,560 --> 02:49:22,440
Speaker 1: were Muslim, any Muslim. And thinking about a leader who's

2879
02:49:22,480 --> 02:49:25,760
Speaker 1: already got an army, if you will it will Lewis

2880
02:49:25,840 --> 02:49:27,600
Speaker 1: farre Khn I thought that was.

2881
02:49:28,640 --> 02:49:31,760
Speaker 7: When you think of Malcolm, you know of Malcolm, was

2882
02:49:32,360 --> 02:49:36,080
Speaker 7: that Malcolm was transformed by Elijah Muhammad well, actually Malcolm's

2883
02:49:36,120 --> 02:49:37,840
Speaker 7: parents were Garbyites.

2884
02:49:38,280 --> 02:49:38,600
Speaker 8: Were not.

2885
02:49:39,120 --> 02:49:43,080
Speaker 7: You know, he you know, paid him the tremendous part

2886
02:49:43,120 --> 02:49:46,480
Speaker 7: of his nation of Islam, paid in tender barton of

2887
02:49:46,600 --> 02:49:50,080
Speaker 7: allowing him to create the impact that he created for us.

2888
02:49:50,440 --> 02:49:53,400
Speaker 7: But you can't remember his parents were Garveyit. Both of

2889
02:49:53,520 --> 02:49:56,560
Speaker 7: them were Garbyites. His father probably died because of he

2890
02:49:56,720 --> 02:50:01,400
Speaker 7: was because of his membership in the US. And so

2891
02:50:01,920 --> 02:50:05,400
Speaker 7: you know, we have to have enough diversity and we

2892
02:50:05,560 --> 02:50:10,760
Speaker 7: must unite around left diversity to allow for us to

2893
02:50:10,879 --> 02:50:14,800
Speaker 7: have expressions, legitimate expressions that differ from one another. We

2894
02:50:14,959 --> 02:50:16,640
Speaker 7: don't have to have the same, really.

2895
02:50:16,480 --> 02:50:16,840
Speaker 5: We can't.

2896
02:50:17,080 --> 02:50:20,800
Speaker 7: We have to have diffuse religions. We have to different

2897
02:50:20,840 --> 02:50:24,720
Speaker 7: expressions and we must permit that, you know, and Gruza

2898
02:50:24,800 --> 02:50:27,920
Speaker 7: Saber all you know, and Gruza Saba permits that.

2899
02:50:28,920 --> 02:50:31,119
Speaker 1: Right, an old thought right there at Baba la Mumba.

2900
02:50:31,120 --> 02:50:33,800
Speaker 1: We gotta step aside for a few months and we've

2901
02:50:33,800 --> 02:50:35,400
Speaker 1: got some more folks. Want to talk to your family.

2902
02:50:35,480 --> 02:50:37,400
Speaker 1: You two can get in on this discussion with Baba

2903
02:50:37,440 --> 02:50:39,360
Speaker 1: la Mumba. It's all of our grills works out of

2904
02:50:39,400 --> 02:50:41,920
Speaker 1: Emoja House in Washington, DC. You know how to reach him.

2905
02:50:41,920 --> 02:50:44,120
Speaker 1: This morning hit us up at eight hundred four or

2906
02:50:44,160 --> 02:50:47,280
Speaker 1: five zero seventy eight seventy six and we'll take your

2907
02:50:47,280 --> 02:50:50,360
Speaker 1: phone calls next and Grand Rising family, thanks are staying

2908
02:50:50,400 --> 02:50:52,080
Speaker 1: with us on this Tuesday morning with our guests to

2909
02:50:52,120 --> 02:50:54,840
Speaker 1: Baba la Mumba out of Emoja House in Washington, DC.

2910
02:50:55,000 --> 02:50:57,360
Speaker 1: That's where a council of elders they meet. They have

2911
02:50:57,640 --> 02:51:00,680
Speaker 1: all these discussions, these great discussions, and Baba la Mumba

2912
02:51:00,760 --> 02:51:03,280
Speaker 1: brings him on the radio with these thought provoking and

2913
02:51:03,360 --> 02:51:05,960
Speaker 1: discussions and later on you're probably hear them in the

2914
02:51:05,959 --> 02:51:08,200
Speaker 1: bomber shop of the beauty salons discussing this stuff that

2915
02:51:08,320 --> 02:51:10,600
Speaker 1: we talked about this morning. As I mentioned as a

2916
02:51:10,600 --> 02:51:12,560
Speaker 1: bunch of folks still want to speak with Baba la Moomba.

2917
02:51:12,600 --> 02:51:14,840
Speaker 1: So let's go to Baltimore again. And Ray's waiting for us.

2918
02:51:14,840 --> 02:51:17,280
Speaker 1: He's online, one Grand Rising, Ray, You're I'm with Baba

2919
02:51:17,320 --> 02:51:18,760
Speaker 1: Lamumba Green Rising.

2920
02:51:18,879 --> 02:51:22,720
Speaker 8: Carl, Thanks again, man. I don't know how you do it, Baba,

2921
02:51:22,959 --> 02:51:26,840
Speaker 8: thank you. It's got to be difficult for you trying

2922
02:51:26,879 --> 02:51:28,040
Speaker 8: to wake us up.

2923
02:51:29,160 --> 02:51:29,400
Speaker 3: Carl.

2924
02:51:29,400 --> 02:51:31,920
Speaker 8: I'm gonna be brief as always, but I'm gonna drop

2925
02:51:32,000 --> 02:51:33,640
Speaker 8: a lot on you all. But I'm gonna be brief.

2926
02:51:33,680 --> 02:51:35,040
Speaker 8: I'm very time sensitive.

2927
02:51:35,840 --> 02:51:36,120
Speaker 3: Bobby.

2928
02:51:36,200 --> 02:51:39,200
Speaker 8: You said we can't figure it out, and you're right.

2929
02:51:39,520 --> 02:51:41,680
Speaker 8: The reason we can't figure it out is because we

2930
02:51:41,800 --> 02:51:45,160
Speaker 8: have no we We have no collective conscious. The black

2931
02:51:45,240 --> 02:51:48,320
Speaker 8: family has been thoroughly destroyed. And you made a good

2932
02:51:48,400 --> 02:51:51,600
Speaker 8: point about religion, how we have to separate that, but

2933
02:51:51,720 --> 02:51:55,200
Speaker 8: you cannot have a religion without a black family. You

2934
02:51:55,280 --> 02:51:59,240
Speaker 8: cannot have a black family without a conscious man leading it.

2935
02:52:00,160 --> 02:52:04,440
Speaker 8: So mention you know, our people that have money need

2936
02:52:04,560 --> 02:52:09,240
Speaker 8: to contribute. That's not gonna happen. Entertainers at the Lee's musicians,

2937
02:52:09,800 --> 02:52:14,480
Speaker 8: they have the money, they have thoroughly not only assimilated,

2938
02:52:14,640 --> 02:52:20,520
Speaker 8: but they are willingly and unwillingly destroying their own people

2939
02:52:21,440 --> 02:52:25,080
Speaker 8: real quick. Doctor John Henry Clark told us we have

2940
02:52:25,240 --> 02:52:27,360
Speaker 8: no friends. We didn't listen to him, we didn't listen

2941
02:52:27,400 --> 02:52:30,520
Speaker 8: to Booker, we didn't listen to Douglas because we don't

2942
02:52:30,560 --> 02:52:33,560
Speaker 8: have a wee. And I'm gonna keep saying that if

2943
02:52:33,640 --> 02:52:37,680
Speaker 8: you had a conscious black man in your home leaving

2944
02:52:37,840 --> 02:52:41,840
Speaker 8: his family and Carl, I'm gonna say this, you have

2945
02:52:41,959 --> 02:52:45,760
Speaker 8: brilliant guests on all the time. I listen to you

2946
02:52:46,200 --> 02:52:50,200
Speaker 8: every day, but very few of them, very few of

2947
02:52:50,280 --> 02:52:54,000
Speaker 8: them hown in on the destruction of the black family.

2948
02:52:54,480 --> 02:52:58,280
Speaker 8: Doctor Julia Here and her husband Nathan gave us a

2949
02:52:58,440 --> 02:53:03,000
Speaker 8: black curriculum. We have one hundred and seven hdcus. My

2950
02:53:03,120 --> 02:53:09,200
Speaker 8: daughter went to Spelman, son went to Hampton. Black history

2951
02:53:09,440 --> 02:53:13,640
Speaker 8: is not required at any of the one hundred and

2952
02:53:13,720 --> 02:53:17,959
Speaker 8: seventy schools. These are white institutions with black faces. I'm

2953
02:53:18,000 --> 02:53:21,119
Speaker 8: a close by saying this. Even if you look to Africa,

2954
02:53:21,200 --> 02:53:25,080
Speaker 8: look at Nigeria, who would deny that the Chinese de

2955
02:53:25,280 --> 02:53:29,200
Speaker 8: facto own Africa. They've built everything, they pay off a

2956
02:53:29,320 --> 02:53:34,240
Speaker 8: few of the leaders. So here's my solution which I proposed,

2957
02:53:34,280 --> 02:53:38,000
Speaker 8: and it's nothing radical, nothing new. If we don't start

2958
02:53:38,120 --> 02:53:42,600
Speaker 8: our own schools, I'm talking about pre k kindergarten that

2959
02:53:43,240 --> 02:53:48,160
Speaker 8: focus one hundred percent on a black social consciousness, a

2960
02:53:48,480 --> 02:53:52,480
Speaker 8: redefining the relationship between our men and women which is

2961
02:53:52,640 --> 02:53:55,040
Speaker 8: at an all time low. We don't talk about that.

2962
02:53:55,240 --> 02:53:58,520
Speaker 8: Look at social media. If we don't grow our own food,

2963
02:53:58,640 --> 02:54:03,360
Speaker 8: build mortgage free, hunk own farms, we're simply sheep in

2964
02:54:03,480 --> 02:54:07,480
Speaker 8: a system waiting for slaughter. That's all I had to

2965
02:54:07,560 --> 02:54:08,199
Speaker 8: offer today.

2966
02:54:08,240 --> 02:54:12,320
Speaker 1: Brothers, all right, thanks Ray babl La Mamba.

2967
02:54:12,400 --> 02:54:15,080
Speaker 5: You want to respond well, yeah, I mean.

2968
02:54:15,000 --> 02:54:19,120
Speaker 7: I concur with that family is extremely important. Black men

2969
02:54:19,240 --> 02:54:23,440
Speaker 7: are extremely important. All of this show is not really

2970
02:54:23,480 --> 02:54:27,240
Speaker 7: about gender relationship, and at some point we need to

2971
02:54:27,280 --> 02:54:30,640
Speaker 7: focus on that. Maybe we need to talk about relationship

2972
02:54:30,720 --> 02:54:33,520
Speaker 7: in terms of gender roles and the importance of black

2973
02:54:33,600 --> 02:54:37,000
Speaker 7: men and their role in what's happening in terms of

2974
02:54:37,360 --> 02:54:40,879
Speaker 7: the rate of single parent families, which essentially means women

2975
02:54:41,440 --> 02:54:44,680
Speaker 7: raising their children without men, and what the consequences of

2976
02:54:44,760 --> 02:54:47,480
Speaker 7: that is in terms of pop culture and the effect.

2977
02:54:48,000 --> 02:54:50,800
Speaker 7: And you know, I would concur that, you know, that's

2978
02:54:50,840 --> 02:54:53,119
Speaker 7: a focus that we should talk about it. This particular

2979
02:54:53,879 --> 02:54:58,080
Speaker 7: focus today really was on the impact of black history,

2980
02:54:58,160 --> 02:55:02,520
Speaker 7: my proper Black history MO which includes an African element,

2981
02:55:02,720 --> 02:55:07,880
Speaker 7: a free, free subjugation element. Then why that's important to

2982
02:55:08,400 --> 02:55:12,320
Speaker 7: have black history not reinforce the notion that black people

2983
02:55:12,400 --> 02:55:16,600
Speaker 7: were created by their servitude. No black people's identity has

2984
02:55:16,680 --> 02:55:18,960
Speaker 7: to precede that. And then I think that what this

2985
02:55:19,120 --> 02:55:21,600
Speaker 7: brother is saying is accurate. And you you know, we

2986
02:55:21,720 --> 02:55:24,880
Speaker 7: need schools, we need you know, when they took over

2987
02:55:24,959 --> 02:55:27,960
Speaker 7: the administration build at Howard in sixty eight, it was

2988
02:55:28,640 --> 02:55:30,720
Speaker 7: it was is an attempt to turn Howard into a

2989
02:55:30,760 --> 02:55:34,120
Speaker 7: Black university, one that focused on being being black, one

2990
02:55:34,200 --> 02:55:40,160
Speaker 7: that focused on his job being to elevate the consciousness

2991
02:55:40,160 --> 02:55:43,120
Speaker 7: and in addition to educating and edward preparing you for

2992
02:55:43,200 --> 02:55:47,199
Speaker 7: a job, his job, if its responsibility, was to increase

2993
02:55:47,320 --> 02:55:51,000
Speaker 7: your consciousness visa be your own people so that you

2994
02:55:51,080 --> 02:55:53,640
Speaker 7: will be able. That has to be a part of

2995
02:55:53,760 --> 02:55:56,600
Speaker 7: what whatever we do. Families isn't critical, So I would

2996
02:55:56,640 --> 02:55:59,360
Speaker 7: I would agree with that, brother uh and I would

2997
02:55:59,360 --> 02:56:01,840
Speaker 7: agree with this respected all.

2998
02:56:01,879 --> 02:56:03,840
Speaker 1: Right, thirteen away from the top of air. Let's get

2999
02:56:03,840 --> 02:56:07,360
Speaker 1: a female perspective. Let's go to Los Angeles. Sister Serita's

3000
02:56:07,360 --> 02:56:10,360
Speaker 1: waiting fresh he's online too, Grand Rising and Sister Serena.

3001
02:56:10,520 --> 02:56:12,240
Speaker 1: Your question for Baba la Mumba.

3002
02:56:13,680 --> 02:56:18,240
Speaker 6: Good morning, carl In to the to your guests, blabla

3003
02:56:18,400 --> 02:56:23,480
Speaker 6: mister babla malum alum Malumba. I just want to ask you,

3004
02:56:24,480 --> 02:56:28,680
Speaker 6: how are you aware? So, my my grandson has a

3005
02:56:28,800 --> 02:56:33,640
Speaker 6: Mexican dad and on his birth certificate it doesn't it

3006
02:56:33,720 --> 02:56:38,200
Speaker 6: doesn't state none of his heritage on there. And so

3007
02:56:38,320 --> 02:56:40,360
Speaker 6: I told my daughter, I said, you need to ask

3008
02:56:40,520 --> 02:56:43,760
Speaker 6: them why was that done? Why didn't they speak to

3009
02:56:43,879 --> 02:56:48,160
Speaker 6: the parents regarding this? And because she's you know, at

3010
02:56:48,200 --> 02:56:51,080
Speaker 6: that time. She was nineteen when she had him, and

3011
02:56:51,280 --> 02:56:54,200
Speaker 6: so I was wondering, are you aware of that. I

3012
02:56:54,440 --> 02:56:57,840
Speaker 6: just told Kevin too that there's a reason, there's always

3013
02:56:57,920 --> 02:57:02,400
Speaker 6: an agenda behind what they do regarding us, and so

3014
02:57:03,320 --> 02:57:04,840
Speaker 6: I would take my comments off the air, but I

3015
02:57:05,000 --> 02:57:09,240
Speaker 6: just want to know what would you suggest that if

3016
02:57:09,280 --> 02:57:12,360
Speaker 6: there's anything that my daughter should do or we should

3017
02:57:12,480 --> 02:57:15,880
Speaker 6: do to proceed with that. As I said, on his

3018
02:57:16,040 --> 02:57:20,400
Speaker 6: vers certificate, it's not labeled as it's not stated as nothing.

3019
02:57:20,480 --> 02:57:23,760
Speaker 6: His heritage is on my Verse certificate from seventy two,

3020
02:57:24,280 --> 02:57:27,959
Speaker 6: it is stated Negro my children are exact same as

3021
02:57:28,120 --> 02:57:32,440
Speaker 6: their African descent. And so I just I find that,

3022
02:57:33,160 --> 02:57:35,279
Speaker 6: you know, I find it weird.

3023
02:57:35,360 --> 02:57:38,800
Speaker 1: You know, like, hey, let me first second, hear sister Serena.

3024
02:57:38,920 --> 02:57:41,480
Speaker 1: Let me tell for a second at least because these

3025
02:57:41,480 --> 02:57:44,840
Speaker 1: are probably new berth for hours. So is there a

3026
02:57:44,920 --> 02:57:46,840
Speaker 1: space though for heritage?

3027
02:57:48,879 --> 02:57:51,600
Speaker 6: I didn't see one. But what I will do, Carl

3028
02:57:51,800 --> 02:57:54,280
Speaker 6: is go over it again and then call you back

3029
02:57:54,360 --> 02:57:57,120
Speaker 6: on Friday and let you know what I found. But

3030
02:57:57,280 --> 02:58:02,080
Speaker 6: I just or what I didn't find. But I just

3031
02:58:02,320 --> 02:58:06,200
Speaker 6: think that that was just strange for them to do that,

3032
02:58:07,480 --> 02:58:11,320
Speaker 6: and how it's as I said before. I know that

3033
02:58:11,400 --> 02:58:14,760
Speaker 6: there's always an agenda behind that, but I also want

3034
02:58:14,800 --> 02:58:17,840
Speaker 6: to say to your guests that I absolutely I always

3035
02:58:17,879 --> 02:58:19,960
Speaker 6: tell you this, Carl. And although you know that I

3036
02:58:20,080 --> 02:58:25,279
Speaker 6: believe that your radio you bring quality. This is quality radio.

3037
02:58:25,560 --> 02:58:26,760
Speaker 4: This listening to.

3038
02:58:29,160 --> 02:58:31,560
Speaker 6: I don't know if I'm pronouncing it your name right,

3039
02:58:31,680 --> 02:58:36,160
Speaker 6: but always listening to you always give me something more

3040
02:58:36,320 --> 02:58:40,480
Speaker 6: to do as far as making sure that I understand

3041
02:58:40,520 --> 02:58:42,840
Speaker 6: who I am. So I appreciate that, and I'll take

3042
02:58:42,879 --> 02:58:43,600
Speaker 6: my comments off.

3043
02:58:43,640 --> 02:58:46,560
Speaker 1: There, all right, Babo lamba?

3044
02:58:47,160 --> 02:58:47,440
Speaker 5: Okay.

3045
02:58:47,600 --> 02:58:49,800
Speaker 7: You know the interesting thing about that is that you

3046
02:58:49,920 --> 02:58:53,000
Speaker 7: have and thing so our central point, and we have

3047
02:58:53,280 --> 02:58:56,480
Speaker 7: a number of our people who think assimilation, which is

3048
02:58:56,600 --> 02:59:01,160
Speaker 7: in one way is disappearing, is a good, is a

3049
02:59:01,240 --> 02:59:04,440
Speaker 7: goal versus the people who think that strengthening black people

3050
02:59:04,560 --> 02:59:07,680
Speaker 7: is the goal. But we fight this amongst ourselves. So

3051
02:59:07,840 --> 02:59:13,680
Speaker 7: what your grandson's lack of identity on his verse certificates

3052
02:59:14,000 --> 02:59:18,040
Speaker 7: is an example of black of black people who believe

3053
02:59:18,200 --> 02:59:23,600
Speaker 7: that race doesn't even exist winning out the assimilationists, the

3054
02:59:23,720 --> 02:59:28,960
Speaker 7: civil rights perspective, the idea that that takes precedent in

3055
02:59:29,440 --> 02:59:31,680
Speaker 7: the state of California, I guess, which is where I

3056
02:59:31,800 --> 02:59:35,200
Speaker 7: come from. Actually, uh, you know that is that one

3057
02:59:35,280 --> 02:59:39,240
Speaker 7: out that that you know, we the people who do

3058
02:59:39,480 --> 02:59:44,040
Speaker 7: not want to accept or have an identity, They want

3059
02:59:44,080 --> 02:59:46,240
Speaker 7: to just be human beings. They don't want to have

3060
02:59:46,840 --> 02:59:49,920
Speaker 7: any racial have one out over the people who want

3061
02:59:49,959 --> 02:59:53,279
Speaker 7: black people to be stronger. So you know, they're reinforcing

3062
02:59:53,400 --> 02:59:59,800
Speaker 7: the notion that race is you know, or assimilation successful

3063
02:59:59,840 --> 03:00:02,520
Speaker 7: a sim relation. It should be our goal. That's what

3064
03:00:02,680 --> 03:00:05,320
Speaker 7: that means. And if you know they have want out

3065
03:00:05,480 --> 03:00:07,880
Speaker 7: now you know you need to reverse that. You need

3066
03:00:07,959 --> 03:00:10,920
Speaker 7: to fight that. You need to ask yourself the question

3067
03:00:11,400 --> 03:00:14,840
Speaker 7: and amongst your friends in campaigns, see if that's any

3068
03:00:15,200 --> 03:00:18,440
Speaker 7: if that's happening across the state, see how pervasive that is,

3069
03:00:18,800 --> 03:00:25,080
Speaker 7: and demand that their identity be be reflected their primary

3070
03:00:25,200 --> 03:00:29,720
Speaker 7: identity be that of a black person and that be

3071
03:00:29,879 --> 03:00:33,800
Speaker 7: reflected on their birth certificate. It is another step towards

3072
03:00:34,000 --> 03:00:40,200
Speaker 7: undermining the strengthening of black people as a goal. But

3073
03:00:40,400 --> 03:00:43,240
Speaker 7: that has to be fought. That should be fought, and

3074
03:00:43,480 --> 03:00:47,120
Speaker 7: I'm glad you recognize that. But you know, do what

3075
03:00:47,280 --> 03:00:52,640
Speaker 7: you can organize people around it if you can, making

3076
03:00:52,720 --> 03:00:54,960
Speaker 7: sure that you understand that there are black people who

3077
03:00:55,000 --> 03:00:57,720
Speaker 7: are proud of being black, and they want that reflected

3078
03:00:58,120 --> 03:01:01,840
Speaker 7: as an identity, as a primary identity on their birth certificates.

3079
03:01:02,160 --> 03:01:05,440
Speaker 7: We don't want that ignored. We don't want that eliminated.

3080
03:01:05,600 --> 03:01:08,160
Speaker 7: We want that strengthened. We want that to be the

3081
03:01:08,280 --> 03:01:11,120
Speaker 7: basis on which that person goes forward in the world

3082
03:01:11,200 --> 03:01:13,280
Speaker 7: and makes a difference to the world we live in,

3083
03:01:13,879 --> 03:01:17,400
Speaker 7: makes a difference for their own people. We want that strengthened,

3084
03:01:17,959 --> 03:01:22,080
Speaker 7: not undermined by eliminating it or on their birth certificates.

3085
03:01:22,640 --> 03:01:26,280
Speaker 7: So thank you for recognizing that and go for just

3086
03:01:26,440 --> 03:01:28,440
Speaker 7: then do what you can to make it.

3087
03:01:28,680 --> 03:01:30,600
Speaker 1: Let me jump in here, Babylon. Could it be the

3088
03:01:30,720 --> 03:01:33,280
Speaker 1: state of California at being so liberal they want to

3089
03:01:33,360 --> 03:01:36,400
Speaker 1: reduce that, you know, to keep that information private.

3090
03:01:36,560 --> 03:01:41,640
Speaker 7: Yes, for sure, it's if you reflect the pervasion added

3091
03:01:41,800 --> 03:01:43,879
Speaker 7: you know, as you know, I come from that state,

3092
03:01:44,280 --> 03:01:46,560
Speaker 7: so I mean I come out of Berkeley, which is

3093
03:01:46,640 --> 03:01:49,359
Speaker 7: probably you know, the Oakland Berkeley area, which is probably

3094
03:01:49,440 --> 03:01:54,680
Speaker 7: the most liberal part of the of the state. And yeah,

3095
03:01:54,920 --> 03:01:58,400
Speaker 7: there's there's a struggle. So they know reinforcing that and

3096
03:01:58,480 --> 03:02:01,640
Speaker 7: fighting that in California is very important because California often

3097
03:02:01,680 --> 03:02:04,880
Speaker 7: sets the trend for the rest of the country. So yeah,

3098
03:02:05,240 --> 03:02:06,160
Speaker 7: that's that's true.

3099
03:02:06,760 --> 03:02:09,000
Speaker 1: Seven away from the top of Geepo's checking in from

3100
03:02:09,040 --> 03:02:11,959
Speaker 1: Silver Spring in Maryland online. Six grand rise in Jeepo,

3101
03:02:12,040 --> 03:02:13,959
Speaker 1: your question for Baba La Mumba.

3102
03:02:15,280 --> 03:02:19,640
Speaker 5: Gran Ras and brothers aired during this morning. Sorry, I'm

3103
03:02:19,720 --> 03:02:24,800
Speaker 5: calling because I I want to know from Baba Lamumba

3104
03:02:25,840 --> 03:02:30,760
Speaker 5: whether he knows of any country in Africa, that independent

3105
03:02:30,840 --> 03:02:36,560
Speaker 5: country in Africa that is without the influence of the

3106
03:02:36,720 --> 03:02:40,760
Speaker 5: colonizer of one two. I also want to know whether

3107
03:02:40,840 --> 03:02:47,800
Speaker 5: he knows why Marcus Gavi was in East the only

3108
03:02:48,640 --> 03:02:55,920
Speaker 5: black man or who was not allowed to enter Africa

3109
03:02:58,320 --> 03:03:06,800
Speaker 5: and ask a chance short Malcolm told us that on

3110
03:03:07,000 --> 03:03:11,480
Speaker 5: twel Africa is free. Black people can never be free.

3111
03:03:12,600 --> 03:03:18,840
Speaker 5: Why we do not concentrate on Marco's advice Malcolm's advice?

3112
03:03:19,320 --> 03:03:22,240
Speaker 1: Thank you all right, BLA.

3113
03:03:23,560 --> 03:03:28,280
Speaker 7: Well, I think it's you know, it's very simplistic in

3114
03:03:28,360 --> 03:03:32,560
Speaker 7: the sense that the leadership of African countries now, uh,

3115
03:03:33,080 --> 03:03:37,280
Speaker 7: you know, the politicians, you know, kind of get their

3116
03:03:37,360 --> 03:03:41,960
Speaker 7: grazy and get their from from you know, working with

3117
03:03:42,200 --> 03:03:45,480
Speaker 7: their colonizers, and we're or or or even the Chinese.

3118
03:03:46,160 --> 03:03:48,600
Speaker 7: You know, the kind of corruption that exists in Africa

3119
03:03:48,640 --> 03:03:53,119
Speaker 7: that exists in large part because of African leadership seeking

3120
03:03:54,000 --> 03:04:00,880
Speaker 7: personal gain from colonizers or from other forces. They don't

3121
03:04:00,920 --> 03:04:04,600
Speaker 7: seek personal gain. You can't get personal gain for supporting

3122
03:04:04,680 --> 03:04:07,560
Speaker 7: black people's interests. You see it developing now in bolkin

3123
03:04:07,640 --> 03:04:12,840
Speaker 7: Aposti Uh the notion that we need to be for

3124
03:04:12,959 --> 03:04:17,199
Speaker 7: the people, represent the people who are in that country

3125
03:04:17,280 --> 03:04:20,640
Speaker 7: so we have a stronger development of them. You saw

3126
03:04:20,680 --> 03:04:23,200
Speaker 7: it in the case of of Padusula Mumba. You saw

3127
03:04:23,200 --> 03:04:25,320
Speaker 7: it in the case of Kwami and Kroma. You saw

3128
03:04:25,400 --> 03:04:29,400
Speaker 7: that periodically in cases of black people striving to what

3129
03:04:30,120 --> 03:04:32,920
Speaker 7: to connect Black people with each other, to unite, the

3130
03:04:33,280 --> 03:04:37,720
Speaker 7: unite the continent of Africa, to in fact serve the population,

3131
03:04:38,120 --> 03:04:42,920
Speaker 7: not serve the colonizer, to use the the materials, the

3132
03:04:43,240 --> 03:04:46,040
Speaker 7: raw materials that are so abundant in Africa, for the

3133
03:04:46,120 --> 03:04:49,400
Speaker 7: interest of Africans as opposed to their own interests.

3134
03:04:49,680 --> 03:04:52,600
Speaker 1: They're you know, I'm jumping here because we're racing the clock.

3135
03:04:52,879 --> 03:04:55,840
Speaker 1: I'm going to help you. Respond to Gepo's question. The

3136
03:04:55,879 --> 03:04:58,680
Speaker 1: reason why Gofi was allowed in the European powers to

3137
03:04:58,680 --> 03:05:01,879
Speaker 1: British the French They were scared of his anti colonial

3138
03:05:01,959 --> 03:05:05,879
Speaker 1: Africa for Africans rhetoric and so they restricted him from

3139
03:05:05,959 --> 03:05:09,039
Speaker 1: coming to African the African colonies there were colonies back then,

3140
03:05:09,400 --> 03:05:13,760
Speaker 1: and also he started a Liberian resettlement project. The United

3141
03:05:13,800 --> 03:05:16,640
Speaker 1: States blocked him on going in, so it's not like

3142
03:05:16,720 --> 03:05:19,440
Speaker 1: he didn't want to go. He was blocked. But Baba

3143
03:05:19,480 --> 03:05:23,640
Speaker 1: la Mumba, were just about out of time and people

3144
03:05:23,640 --> 03:05:25,320
Speaker 1: are gonna ask me how they can reach you. But

3145
03:05:25,480 --> 03:05:27,400
Speaker 1: I just want to thank you, thank you, thank you

3146
03:05:27,720 --> 03:05:31,160
Speaker 1: for sharing this information with us I know, and thank

3147
03:05:31,200 --> 03:05:33,080
Speaker 1: all the brothers the Council of Elders that you work

3148
03:05:33,160 --> 03:05:36,240
Speaker 1: with at a Moja house in DC for having these

3149
03:05:36,320 --> 03:05:38,880
Speaker 1: discussions and then you bringing it to us on the radio.

3150
03:05:39,120 --> 03:05:40,720
Speaker 1: So I just want to thank you again for doing that.

3151
03:05:41,480 --> 03:05:43,080
Speaker 7: All right, well, thank you for having us.

3152
03:05:43,560 --> 03:05:46,800
Speaker 1: Thank you all right, family, let's say classes dismissed for

3153
03:05:46,800 --> 03:05:49,720
Speaker 1: the day, and thank again to Baba la Mumba family.

3154
03:05:49,800 --> 03:05:52,600
Speaker 1: Stay strong, stay positive, please stay healthy. We'll see you

3155
03:05:52,600 --> 03:05:55,640
Speaker 1: tomorrow morning, six o'clock right here in Baltimore on ten

3156
03:05:55,760 --> 03:05:59,480
Speaker 1: ten WLB and also in the DMV area on fourteen

3157
03:05:59,560 --> 03:06:00,959
Speaker 1: fifty WOL