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Speaker 3: but first Roma Grojean Worth noting got to kind of

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Speaker 3: He's not.

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Speaker 1: He's not you know, speaking out of turn. He just

433
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Speaker 1: does his job. And you can't have too many of

434
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Speaker 1: those people.

435
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Speaker 3: It's a big deal. It is a really big deal.

436
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Speaker 3: People are asking, well, right, Tim Sindric, you're on the clock.

437
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Speaker 3: I don't think Tim Sindrick, is that's different, a different scenario. Yeah,

438
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Speaker 3: And what we don't know? And I tweeted out something

439
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Speaker 3: that I think we might say for next week. There

440
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Speaker 3: was something I want to find actually what it was.

441
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Speaker 3: There was something on Awful announcing that.

442
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Speaker 4: There is going to be.

443
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Speaker 3: Five unsolved sports mysteries we want Pablo Tory to find out.

444
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Speaker 3: There's a podcast. Pablotory is an ESPN Personalities off and

445
00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:12,720
Speaker 3: on pardon the interruption, and he's the guy that kind

446
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Speaker 3: of uncovered what might be a salary cap circumvention with

447
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Speaker 3: the Los Angeles Clippers and Kawhi Leonard, and there were

448
00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:25,960
Speaker 3: a few things in there. Honestly, I didn't all find

449
00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:28,440
Speaker 3: that interesting in sport, but I tweeted something that might

450
00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:32,440
Speaker 3: be a good track side off season discussion most interesting

451
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Speaker 3: on unsolved mysteries in IndyCar And the first one that

452
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Speaker 3: comes to mind me is, I want to know what

453
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Speaker 3: happened at Saint Pete, who ordered the code read and

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Speaker 3: who knew about it in twenty twenty four, and then

455
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Speaker 3: you knows someone else mentioned what happened this year in

456
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Speaker 3: the Indy five hundred. We'll save that for next week

457
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Speaker 3: or the week after. People want to send in some

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Speaker 3: more things, but that's one of those in that department

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Speaker 3: as well.

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Speaker 4: That we find interesting.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, okay, go ahead, go ahead, next up, because

462
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Speaker 3: we're going to try to run through a lot of

463
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Speaker 3: things in the hour that we have tonight. Testing gets

464
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Speaker 3: started tomorrow, yes, or twenty twenty six. There are a

465
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Speaker 3: few cars at mid Ohio. Neil's Colan, who had a

466
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Speaker 3: really impressive second season in Indy next this year for Ganassi.

467
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Speaker 3: Those that don't pay attention. Neils came as a rookie,

468
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Speaker 3: ran at the back in twenty twenty four. Wasn't surprised

469
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Speaker 3: because he was basically jumping up from F four to

470
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Speaker 3: Indy Next, had all the budget in the world behind him,

471
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Speaker 3: did proper testing, ran most of the full season, and

472
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Speaker 3: did about what you'd expect. Year two, he started running

473
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Speaker 3: in the top ten most of the time and sometimes

474
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Speaker 3: in the top five. He is going to get an

475
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Speaker 3: evaluation test in the Indy Car. He's not a candidate

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Speaker 3: to race next year. I don't think that's been announced,

477
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Speaker 3: but I have to believe he's doing another year in

478
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Speaker 3: Indy next or next season. Kaku Oda was announced yesterday

479
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Speaker 3: with Meyer Shank Racing. I met him briefly. He has

480
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Speaker 3: run in the endurance races for Meyer Shank Racing. He

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Speaker 3: is a Honda driver. I don't believe he's a candidate

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Speaker 3: for a twenty twenty six seat either. Meyer Shank is

483
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Speaker 3: full but this is part of the He's a talented driver.

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Speaker 4: He's running.

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Speaker 3: I think he's third in the championship.

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Speaker 1: He is won three races in super Formula which is

487
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Speaker 1: where is from there yeah, some guy named Alex Palo.

488
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Speaker 3: He's pretty good and he didn't win that championship either.

489
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Speaker 3: I think he might have finished third in that championship,

490
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Speaker 3: so similar pedigree. I just remember hearing at the Rolex

491
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Speaker 3: that he is highly regarded, so he could be someone

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Speaker 3: for the future. I'm happy that Honda wants to put

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Speaker 3: him in IndyCar. Maybe that means they plan on staying

494
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Speaker 3: in IndyCar, or maybe it's just simply we want our

495
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Speaker 3: drivers to drive as much as they can. You know,

496
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Speaker 3: maybe Formula One is something they're thinking about for him.

497
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Speaker 3: And I hear Felipe Nasser, that young up and comer,

498
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:06,240
Speaker 3: is doing an evaluation test for Team Penske, so we'll

499
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Speaker 3: find out if Felipe Nasser has the goods. And this

500
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,560
Speaker 3: is just simply using the system to what it is

501
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:13,960
Speaker 3: because Felipe Naser is not full time and he's done

502
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Speaker 3: this at least once before. I don't know what the

503
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Speaker 3: limit is or if maybe it has to have a

504
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:21,000
Speaker 3: year separated between it. It's probably been a couple of

505
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:25,480
Speaker 3: years and he was he drove I think a Carlin

506
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Speaker 3: car at Coda in preseason the year of the pandemic

507
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Speaker 3: in twenty twenty one. That was twenty twenty. But was

508
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Speaker 3: that twenty twenty? I think in twenty twenty he was

509
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:41,920
Speaker 3: under I think I got to go back to my notes.

510
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:44,960
Speaker 3: I may be wrong about that, but he is a Poorschapenski,

511
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:49,000
Speaker 3: very highly regarded sports car driver who has spent time

512
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Speaker 3: in Formula one. So this is an opportunity for Penske

513
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:55,800
Speaker 3: to learn some things and still smart to have a

514
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Speaker 3: reserve driver.

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Speaker 1: Yep, yeah, I think this is exact exactly that he's

516
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:04,760
Speaker 1: not got a future in IndyCar in my opinion, to me,

517
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Speaker 1: he must have characteristics in his driving style that compares

518
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Speaker 1: favorably to other drivers they have, and therefore they look

519
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:15,840
Speaker 1: for his feedback as an experienced driver who's driven a

520
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:20,359
Speaker 1: lot of things. You know, it certainly beats just throwing

521
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Speaker 1: somebody in the car who provided a check to cover

522
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Speaker 1: that event.

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Speaker 3: I'll tell you this. Someone of importance told me last

524
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Speaker 3: year if I could choose someone to hire not worried

525
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Speaker 3: about upside and age, just right now, it's Felipe Nazar

526
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Speaker 3: for Indiecar. So I think he'd still do it if

527
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Speaker 3: offered the opportunity. But he's got a pretty good deal

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Speaker 3: with being a Penske or a Porsche factory driver driving

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Speaker 3: for Porshapensk as well. Next up on the testing list

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Speaker 3: is what's coming up at the Indianapolis Motor Speedway. And

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Speaker 3: we have it confirmed from Ray Hall Letterman that Mick

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Speaker 3: Schumacher is going to be in a car there.

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Speaker 1: This is the road course.

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00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 3: This is the road road course, sorry, the road course.

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Speaker 3: On Monday, October thirteenth, Marshall Prooded Racer wrote that Andretti

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Speaker 3: Global may test Indie next driver Lockey Hughes in an

537
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 3: evaluation run and let's see Aera McClaren may test Enzo

538
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 3: fit A Paldi at Sebring later in the month. I

539
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Speaker 3: believe Enzo fit A Paldi is doing full season in

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Speaker 3: Indy next next season, and I know he was just

541
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Speaker 3: at a test at Autoban last week. So what they

542
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Speaker 3: had and I had some questions on this last week?

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Speaker 3: What was this test at Autobon. There were about I

544
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Speaker 3: think there were twelve cars, maybe fifteen drivers. Some just

545
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 3: did one day two day test. It was only for

546
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:58,479
Speaker 3: people who have not driven in in the next car before.

547
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:03,760
Speaker 3: So there there was another F two driver that came over.

548
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Speaker 3: I let the team share the name and I'll be honest,

549
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:08,960
Speaker 3: I didn't recognize the name. And then some drivers that

550
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:12,360
Speaker 3: are potentially moving up from USF Pro two thousand and

551
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Speaker 3: I believe he was one of those in that last week.

552
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:21,520
Speaker 3: What else do we know as far as testing. Oh

553
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:23,920
Speaker 3: and by the way, Enzo was pretty accomplished in LMP two,

554
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:27,120
Speaker 3: But I think Schumacher one is the big one. And

555
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 3: there's also a test I think at Barber coming up

556
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Speaker 3: at some point.

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Speaker 1: At some point I think, you know, we're still going

558
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Speaker 1: to see. We haven't got any details to share, but

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Speaker 1: there'll be an oval test at the Speedway. That's why

560
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:39,160
Speaker 1: I wanted to kind of make sure everybody understood that

561
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:41,720
Speaker 1: mix Schumacher was a road course test and there'll be

562
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Speaker 1: a couple other cars there with him, I'm sure, but

563
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:47,800
Speaker 1: you know, some of these things, the teams are in

564
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Speaker 1: control of that information, so unless it leaks out, it's

565
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:55,760
Speaker 1: not like there's a list of names of people yet.

566
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Speaker 1: For particularly the Indie test, and I don't know the

567
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Speaker 1: scope of it. Couple of years ago that was like

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Speaker 1: I think maybe last year it was like nine all

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Speaker 1: ten teams, maybe nine or ten teams, and each one

570
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Speaker 1: had one car as opposed to everybody getting two or

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Speaker 1: three cars. It was just one driver. I think that

572
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 1: was last year, but I think it'll be it might

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Speaker 1: even be a smaller field this year, so we'll see

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Speaker 1: how that shakes out.

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Speaker 3: We know will Power won't be a part of that.

576
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Speaker 3: I did a screenshot of this one from a couple

577
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:25,520
Speaker 3: of weeks ago, never got to it. John Jay Wards

578
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:28,760
Speaker 3: seventy seven tweeted, will she just repeatedly go to the

579
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Speaker 3: Team Penske building and make coffee on the cureg machine

580
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Speaker 3: and remind them he still has a contract for three

581
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Speaker 3: and a half months, use the restrooms, fitness.

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Speaker 1: Center, et cetera. Same with Ron Rizziski. By the way,

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Speaker 1: he's not available. The press release from Andretti said he

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Speaker 1: would start January of twenty twenty six, so.

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Speaker 3: It's still on gardening leave. He has a non compete yep.

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00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:51,720
Speaker 1: Same with will and so you know, if if Team

587
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:55,880
Speaker 1: Penske is part of a test at the speedway in

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Speaker 1: the fall here, probably this month, it won't be will Power.

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00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:01,920
Speaker 1: I mean say it won't be willpower, but if Andretti

590
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 1: does as well, it won't be willpower. So he'll be

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Speaker 1: on the sidelines.

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Speaker 3: What's the significance of Mick Schumacher. We're going to talk

593
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Speaker 3: about that next on track side. Hi, this is Poto

594
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 3: Award and you're listening to truck side all right, hustling

595
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 3: through some things here. Didn't get to finish up all

596
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:18,040
Speaker 3: the testing stuff we ran long in the first segment.

597
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Speaker 3: Does Mick Schumacher testing with Ray Hall mean anything? I

598
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 3: have a thought you go first. So, first of all,

599
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 3: it kind of has two things. One, it is a

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Speaker 3: huge opportunity for IndyCar and publicity because Mick wile maybe not,

601
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Speaker 3: I mean just because he's a Shoemacher, is a big deal.

602
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 3: I mean his dad still is huge fan base. Second

603
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Speaker 3: of all, I think if this goes well for him,

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Speaker 3: if he enjoys it, I think he's got the backing

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Speaker 3: to do that, and they have a seat potentially for him,

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Speaker 3: and that would be in the thirty car that Devil

607
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 3: and d Francesco drove this year. I think that's we'll

608
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:57,640
Speaker 3: have to see how it goes, but this would be

609
00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 3: a good draw for IndyCar and I think could be

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00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:04,200
Speaker 3: their answer in the thirty car as well. So the

611
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:08,480
Speaker 3: question has been asked, is this just Rayhall taking advantage

612
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 3: of an evaluation day to get some data like Penske does.

613
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Speaker 3: And my thought on that is it is not at all.

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00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 3: If it was, they would be doing it anywhere other

615
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Speaker 3: than the Indianapolis Motor Speedway road course where they are

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Speaker 3: hooked up. They don't. Yes, you need to always keep

617
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Speaker 3: getting better, But if they're going to invest in a

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00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 3: test day, they would do it at midd Ohio, they

619
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Speaker 3: would do it at Barber, they would do it at Sebring,

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Speaker 3: they would do it at any place other than the

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Speaker 3: Indianapolis Motor Speedway. This is real now. It simply could

622
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Speaker 3: be Mick Schumacher brought budget and said I want to

623
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Speaker 3: show what I can do, and the road course is

624
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 3: the most friendly to European drivers, easiest track to learn

625
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 3: to show what you can do and get a feel

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Speaker 3: of the car. And he could be stating his intentions

627
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Speaker 3: that he wants to come here and look at other opportunities,

628
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 3: you know, the open seats with Coin or who goes

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Speaker 3: Holling or Foyd or whoever. But there's something I think

630
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 3: there's something potential to this, so we will keep an

631
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Speaker 3: eye on that. What else did I say? Okay, So

632
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:19,080
Speaker 3: the McLaren Alex Polow trial is underway in the UK.

633
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:21,879
Speaker 3: There are good right ups on that in the Indie

634
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:25,320
Speaker 3: Star with Nathan Brown, Racer dot Com with Marshall Pruitt.

635
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:31,920
Speaker 3: We're probably going to learn some more things and we're

636
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Speaker 3: going to learn some salaries and it's it's.

637
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Speaker 1: Just the kind of juicy stuff we want to know.

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00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:43,800
Speaker 3: I don't think I mentioned this. Alex Polow is starting

639
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:45,400
Speaker 3: to loosen up a little bit. So I went to

640
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:47,839
Speaker 3: the banquet or the victory celebration here a few weeks

641
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:50,319
Speaker 3: ago and Bob pocras, Yeah, Bob wrote some things on

642
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:52,799
Speaker 3: Fox Sports dot Com as well, and Bob was there

643
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:54,759
Speaker 3: and wrote some of these quotes down. He talked to

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Speaker 3: them before and upstairs on the day as he basically said, yeah,

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Speaker 3: I was a little bit of an idiot, but everybody

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Speaker 3: gave me another chance. And he just kind of makes

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Speaker 3: jokes about his bad decisions and how he's happy to

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Speaker 3: have another chance in that. So one of the things

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Speaker 3: that McLaren is arguing is that they had to pay

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Speaker 3: Poto Award more than they would have because they didn't

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Speaker 3: have Alex Polow. I don't know. I mean, yes, there

652
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Speaker 3: was more importance to keep him, but I think they

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Speaker 3: would have wanted to keep Poto Award anyway. You know

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Speaker 3: out there is everything Nolan Siegel is getting paid, what

655
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Speaker 3: Christian Loonguard is getting paid, what the bonuses were involved

656
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Speaker 3: in all of this, and I'm a lot of it.

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Speaker 3: I think is going to come down to the F

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Speaker 3: one opportunity. I think that's what the Polo side is

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Speaker 3: going to be arguing we were led to believe there

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Speaker 3: was an F one opportunity. McLaren is saying, no, there

661
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 3: was no promise of that, because that's what Polo has said.

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Speaker 3: Once I learned that Pastre was the real deal and

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Speaker 3: there was not going to be any open seat between

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Speaker 3: him and Norris, I'm not interested. I want to stay

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Speaker 3: with the best Indy car team. That's clearly was part

666
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Speaker 3: of it for him. And then that's where they're going

667
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:14,480
Speaker 3: to have to get into what was written down and

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Speaker 3: what was verbally agreed to, and then how much money

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Speaker 3: they lost from loss of sponsors by not having plow.

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Speaker 3: Is that his responsibility for that and does it come

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00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:28,279
Speaker 3: into play that he signed with McLaren the first time

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Speaker 3: around when he had a binding contract with Ganassi that

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Speaker 3: was ignored. McLaren will say that's on the driver. He

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Speaker 3: told us he was free.

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Speaker 1: I just know the legal fees are going to be

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Speaker 1: high in this. Did you see saw jim Boyle's there.

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Speaker 1: Saw Jimmy Boyle's there hanging out very tight with Gassi, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: very tight with Ganassi and I on my side, and

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Speaker 1: they've got a lot of good lawyers on that team,

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Speaker 1: I'm sure. But that's going to be fun stuff. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I know it's not fun for those going going through it,

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Speaker 1: and Alex has got a mess to kind of clan

683
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Speaker 1: up here. But I think we was race. Fans will

684
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Speaker 1: learn some things and it could be entertaining.

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Speaker 4: All right.

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Speaker 3: I've got some tweets that I'll try to get to

687
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 3: in the final segment. Wanted to mention the loss of

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Speaker 3: someone that fans may not know, but people in the

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Speaker 3: Indy car community would know. Chris Bucher passed away after

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00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 3: a long battle photographer recently with co Force. One of

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Speaker 3: those guys that I'll be honest, I didn't know. Well,

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Speaker 3: just someone a friendly face that you waved to and

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Speaker 3: said hello, I know you know.

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Speaker 1: Chris, Yeah, one of the one of the really good photographers,

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Speaker 1: one of the great people. He actually many of our

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00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 1: listeners know. Mark Lynch Well from the Burger Bash markin

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00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:46,359
Speaker 1: and Chris Mark and his brother Matt grew up with

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Speaker 1: with Chris, and they were longtime buddies. In fact, this

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Speaker 1: is funny that you know. It's so it's Matt and

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Speaker 1: Mark Lynch and and Chris Bucher and another friend of

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Speaker 1: theirs named John. So so they identified themselves for a

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Speaker 1: long time as Matthew, Mark Luke and John Buke and John. Sorry, Matthew,

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Speaker 1: Mark buch and John and John.

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Speaker 3: Okay, it still works.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, But Chris a great was a great man and

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Speaker 1: such a great photographer. And you've seen so much of

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Speaker 1: his work. His indy car work I actually think is

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Speaker 1: not as good as some of his artistic work. His

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Speaker 1: artistic work is unbelievable. And you know indy cars. You

710
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:31,879
Speaker 1: try to shoot race cars as you as you can,

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Speaker 1: but they're fast moving. So it's a it's a huge

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Speaker 1: loss for the community. And I saw a lot of

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Speaker 1: people in the Indianapolis community reached out about him, people

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Speaker 1: I didn't know had crossed paths with him. That's that's

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Speaker 1: always the mark of what a person meant to a community.

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Speaker 3: Thoughts go out to Chris his friends and family, all Right,

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Speaker 3: what we missed is coming up next on trackside.

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Speaker 2: Hi, this is Felix frozen Quist and you're listening to trackside.

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Speaker 3: Okay, final second meant what we missed and I'll admit

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Speaker 3: if it happened today, I might have missed it. So

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Speaker 3: here's one of the benefits to being what is my title, the.

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Speaker 4: Director of.

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Speaker 3: Business Relationships, revenue, whatever you want to call with Jackson

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Speaker 3: Lee Racing. So I was invited to play at Cricket

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Speaker 3: Stick today, which is one of the top golf courses

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Speaker 3: in the Indianapolis area with some potential partners of Jackson's

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Speaker 3: next year. Had a great time and have not looked

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00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:34,879
Speaker 3: at social media in the last eight hours or so.

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00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 3: Plausibly Live is how we did. The first couple of segments.

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Speaker 3: Tried to talk Kurt into coming in this evening.

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Speaker 4: You know he doesn't do nights.

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Speaker 3: But I did see Adam Stern post something that the

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Speaker 3: Greater Cleveland Sports Commission sent out a survey to area

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Speaker 3: leaders that states that there is an exciting opportunity that

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Speaker 3: we are assessing for northeast Ohio the return of IndyCar

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Speaker 3: to downtown Cleveland in twenty two twenty eight.

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Speaker 4: So there you go.

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Speaker 3: Adam Stern of SBJ also says the IndyCar is exploring

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Speaker 3: a potential street course race in Cleveland, according to a

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Speaker 3: survey sent to local leaders. So yeah, I think that's,

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Speaker 3: you know, part of the partnership with Fox IndyCar as well.

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Speaker 3: They're looking at where we can can we go in

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Speaker 3: major cities and create events.

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Speaker 4: So I find that interesting.

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Speaker 3: What else, Let's go to the Twitter inbox Ken add

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Speaker 3: one k Moose.

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Speaker 4: You know Moose always gets you to the head of

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Speaker 4: the line.

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Speaker 3: S What would be a good street course race to

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Speaker 3: attend next IndyCar season?

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Speaker 4: One? To go to one?

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Speaker 3: I've only been to OVAL's and road courses best for

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Speaker 3: our first timer.

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Speaker 4: Good views of the.

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Speaker 3: Track, nice fan experience. So I love Saint Pete. There

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Speaker 3: are not a lot of ton just GA views, although

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Speaker 3: I think there are some kind of next to what's

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Speaker 3: is it a convention center. It's kind of where the

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Speaker 3: media is center is. You can stand out there and

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Speaker 3: see a few things. I'd still maybe think about trying

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Speaker 3: to get a grandstand seat in that.

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Speaker 4: Turn one area.

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Speaker 3: That's just a fantastic view. But I love Saint Pete.

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Speaker 3: I love Long Beach. Those are the two as far

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Speaker 3: as street courses with just walk to a lot of.

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Speaker 4: Things in the area, you're going to run into people

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Speaker 4: as well.

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Speaker 3: A few tweets about my idea of you know, the

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Speaker 3: biggest unsolved mysteries.

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Speaker 4: In IndyCar that we'll we'll get to next week as well.

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Speaker 3: Hector Serrano asks, is the FIA going to get the

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Speaker 3: call to take over IndyCar officiating?

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Speaker 4: What's the word on this? It's almost October. I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I don't know what the plan is for. That's one

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Speaker 3: of the tbds TBAs. How are they taking this to

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Speaker 3: a third party? It seems like the FIA might be expensive,

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Speaker 3: but that also would seem like that would be one

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Speaker 3: of the possibilities as well.

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Speaker 4: IndyCar can or I should have asked Kurt this. Hopefully

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Speaker 4: Kurt listens to this part of the segment. Ken R.

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Speaker 3: Anderson eighty two, I've heard there's some renderings out there.

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Speaker 3: When do we expect the new car renderings to be made.

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Speaker 4: Available to the public?

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Speaker 3: Also a bit late, congrats to you and the resident

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Speaker 3: driver for a great showing at IMS.

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Speaker 4: Thank you, Ken.

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Speaker 3: So I'll tab that for Kurt to ask, he needs

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Speaker 3: to walk down the hall and say and ask when.

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Speaker 4: Will we the public see what the plans are.

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Speaker 3: Trill Power says, why didn't the Richmond Race return to

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Speaker 3: the schedule after COVID. They were scheduled to race there

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Speaker 3: in twenty but COVID altered the schedule.

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Speaker 4: Was it a promoter events? The answer is always money.

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Speaker 4: I think they were concerned.

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Speaker 3: About being able to sell the requisite number of tickets

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Speaker 3: and sponsorship to pay the promoter cost.

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Speaker 4: They found an out and they took it. I think

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Speaker 4: the track.

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Speaker 3: President also changed at that time as well. I'd love

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Speaker 3: to see it come back. Don't know if it's in

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Speaker 3: the pipeline or not. We're out of time. We'll see

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Speaker 3: you next Monday night, I believe, Monday at seven on

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Speaker 3: track side ninety three five one oh seven five The

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Speaker 3: fan