Speaker 1: The Frames per Second Podcast.
Speaker 2: Welcome everybody to a new episode of the French per
Speaker 2: Second Podcast.
Speaker 1: When it was going to be Ane joined them on
Speaker 1: the show. I got Mike Rod and.
Speaker 2: Spike Yo, we're here man to discuss The Running Man,
Speaker 2: which is a remake of the nineteen eighty seven classic
Speaker 2: that originally starred Arnold Schwarzenegger, which is based off of
Speaker 2: a novel of the same title. I believe this one
Speaker 2: is directed by Ecker Wright, who did Baby Driver, Scott
Speaker 2: Pilgrim and Last Night in soho.
Speaker 3: Yeah it makes sense.
Speaker 4: That makes sense what last Night and Saw It was
Speaker 4: good Pacer.
Speaker 2: Stephen King wrote the original one, which was in nineteen
Speaker 2: eighty two.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so uh.
Speaker 2: Glenn Powell stars Ben Richards, Josh Brolin is Evan mccoone,
Speaker 2: Coman Domingo. Wait, that got it? Oh no, this is wrong.
Speaker 2: I got this wrong.
Speaker 1: My bad.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but yeah, Coman Domingo was he wasn't Dan Keillyan.
Speaker 2: That was Josh Brolin.
Speaker 1: Yep, Josh Broland is Dan Kellyan.
Speaker 5: It's right in front of you, like, look towards me.
Speaker 4: It's like it's it's on a web.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, all right, all right, so uh yeah, we
Speaker 2: have Glen Powell playing Ben Richards. Josh Brolin is Dan Kelly,
Speaker 2: which is the show's producer. Copen Domingo is Bobby t
Speaker 2: who was the host of the show The Running Man Show,
Speaker 2: and some other notable names as well.
Speaker 1: Michael's Sarah Michael Sarah Sarah was in it.
Speaker 2: I can't wait for him to show up. Because I
Speaker 2: saw the name on it. I was like, Oh, he's
Speaker 2: gonna show up. I thought he was the wolf guy.
Speaker 2: Uh but yeah, man, so that is what we have
Speaker 2: in terms of who's doing what. So yeah, let's let's
Speaker 2: get into it. Man, Ron, what you think of this movie?
Speaker 6: I did not want to see this when I saw it,
Speaker 6: because I did see the preview, I forgot what movie
Speaker 6: I was in.
Speaker 2: I was like, man, what man? Man?
Speaker 7: Mm hmmm.
Speaker 6: It was an okay effort, but nah, man, I could
Speaker 6: have went the rest of my life without seeing this movie.
Speaker 4: I did not.
Speaker 6: No, I just just give me run, Just give me
Speaker 6: on the Swarzer Nagga Running Man. That's that's all. That's
Speaker 6: all I need. I don't need this. I don't need this.
Speaker 3: Have you seen the original version?
Speaker 4: Have I seen the original run?
Speaker 8: We're not like you, I know it was he's original.
Speaker 8: It's crazy Allo Swords Nigga, y Codo, I think just
Speaker 8: the body.
Speaker 7: Jim Brown Brown, No, No, it's more campy.
Speaker 5: But it's good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's good.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, and puns, a lot of puns.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 6: It just felt more authentic than this. This This felt
Speaker 6: very forced, like like I don't know, man, and I
Speaker 6: don't know if it's just ruined. I would like to
Speaker 6: get your take on it. I don't like, I don't
Speaker 6: know if it's ruined because I like the old one
Speaker 6: so much.
Speaker 2: That did this.
Speaker 6: This just didn't hold hold up what they say called
Speaker 6: the candle flame to it or something like that.
Speaker 1: It just didn't.
Speaker 6: Man, it's just the whole movie. I'm just thinking, it's
Speaker 6: not this. It's not that Coleman did a.
Speaker 2: Good job as a as the host, but yeah, this guy,
Speaker 2: he's not.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's not the guy.
Speaker 5: Like I don't even know his name.
Speaker 4: I don't even know his name.
Speaker 6: We knew on a Sworts Nigga's name, like he was
Speaker 6: an action star hero, Like who is this guy?
Speaker 2: And that?
Speaker 6: And I think that was part of the problem. And
Speaker 6: he is the he's supposed to be the.
Speaker 2: Movie Glenn Powell got there. He's next. They're trying, they're
Speaker 2: trying to push. I don't know. I think he's I
Speaker 2: think I think he got a shot.
Speaker 4: Really yeah, yeah, I don't know generous. I've never seen
Speaker 4: at good and anything.
Speaker 2: But you don't have to be like super good and
Speaker 2: like Actually he wasn't like great yeh, yeah, he wasn't.
Speaker 6: But he had he was. He he was type cast.
Speaker 6: He had a certain thing just like the Jian Klins
Speaker 6: of the world. The Chuck Norris is of the word
Speaker 6: like like the SEEDESSI salans like, he's not those guys.
Speaker 2: But the difference is Arnold Schwarzenegger was already an established star.
Speaker 2: Glen Powell isn't an established star yet. So I think
Speaker 2: that's what it is. But it turnally acting, you know,
Speaker 2: I think did a better job than Schwartzengga did Ship Twisters,
Speaker 2: That's what I sa Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, he's in Twister.
Speaker 2: So's he's gonna be the blockbuster guy that they're trying
Speaker 2: to build up as next because they don't really have anybody.
Speaker 1: It ain't him, So.
Speaker 2: To me, it ain't him, I would yeah, it ain't him.
Speaker 4: If if it's anybody, can't I would say, uh, Pascal Pedro,
Speaker 4: I would say Pedro.
Speaker 2: Not for a blockbuster, run of the mill, regular type
Speaker 2: of movie. Do you say this guy over Pedro? I
Speaker 2: think for just the mainstream plane whatever movie. Yeah. I
Speaker 2: think they. I think they're working on him to be
Speaker 2: that guy. He's not him man, So he.
Speaker 6: Seems too soft, all the muscles.
Speaker 2: That's what they love about him.
Speaker 4: It's like he's a he's a he's gonna he's artificial soft,
Speaker 4: like artificial.
Speaker 1: They they they they being.
Speaker 2: Yeah, when it comes to taking the shirt off, He's
Speaker 2: gonna take a shirt off in every movie because that
Speaker 2: is a thing for him. He don't seem to he's
Speaker 2: not ruggled enough. Oh that's no. They love that rugged
Speaker 2: look like him and Twister. They love that look on him. Yeah,
Speaker 2: they love that look, the rugged man, America white coup.
Speaker 2: I'm telling you that's what he is. That I thought
Speaker 2: he was dead in this No, I'm just saying, like
Speaker 2: the perception of him and what they're selling to the America,
Speaker 2: White America, he is good. That's the I may be
Speaker 2: misreading it, but that I think they're building him.
Speaker 1: Up to be that guy, which is why they put
Speaker 1: him in this movie.
Speaker 4: I think you're giving him a little bit more credit
Speaker 4: than he deserves. I think, and I'm would Rod in
Speaker 4: the sense that he doesn't have it like he it's
Speaker 4: overly something. It just don't trying to be mean. And
Speaker 4: it's not like he was trying to be mean in
Speaker 4: the beginning of the movie, just like his face was.
Speaker 2: Frowning, like he was frowning. He looked like man like,
Speaker 2: like he could funk me.
Speaker 4: Up when he hit the glass, like it was just
Speaker 4: just like, bro, it's I don't believe. I don't believe
Speaker 4: you know, I don't believe you.
Speaker 7: Like, is your hand okay?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 4: You look you look like you hurt. It looked tough
Speaker 4: to me. You look hurt, right. But I haven't seen
Speaker 4: the original, didn't really didn't know about it. I shared
Speaker 4: the same sentiment as well, it's just never really quite
Speaker 4: And I watched the preview and I'm thinking this could
Speaker 4: be again, not knowing that there was an original, I'm like.
Speaker 2: Damn, it's an interesting story.
Speaker 4: Somebody on the run from everybody in the world for
Speaker 4: America whatever, trying to catch him. It's like Hunger Games game.
Speaker 2: It's like it's the same sort of concept.
Speaker 4: I thought that would be cool. I thought the concept
Speaker 4: was cool, but as I was sitting there watching and
Speaker 4: I was like, this bad. It's not just like Speed
Speaker 4: three or some ship like that, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 4: Like you could tell that there was good material there
Speaker 4: at one point, but now it's just like, y'all just
Speaker 4: being honky with this, Bro, this is just that's racist, hokey, hokey,
Speaker 4: that's wow.
Speaker 2: Jesus, I know you don't like Glenn Powell.
Speaker 4: God, y'all, y'all just being hokey with this. But I
Speaker 4: do also agree. Collin Themingo did an amazing y'all. Did
Speaker 4: he bodied this? And he was the only person that
Speaker 4: was believable in the hole camera? Yeah, he was killing shit.
Speaker 2: Bro.
Speaker 4: I was like, Bro, he saved this movie, damn near
Speaker 4: just from an entertaining standpoint when he's on there, like
Speaker 4: this little comebacks from breaking all that ship, all of
Speaker 4: that was great. And the guy in the original he
Speaker 4: was good like that. That was the only part of
Speaker 4: this that I enjoyed. Yeah, and uh, when your boy
Speaker 4: came Michael seeing he killed his part.
Speaker 2: Michael Sarah Sarah White dude with the mom from the
Speaker 2: dude from Oh Yeah, Super Bad yeah you know, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I like him a lot.
Speaker 3: He killed it, you like him?
Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm with them, y'all keep this now. The interesting
Speaker 7: thing is that this is supposedly more like the book
Speaker 7: than the original Running Man is the problem with this
Speaker 7: movie is I think it's an amazing concept. I'm with
Speaker 7: them one hundred percent. That dude is not the guy.
Speaker 7: There was nothing about him that made me think, oh,
Speaker 7: you're tough, like nothing. And then they didn't even explain
Speaker 7: like is he a fighter? Like what's this damn job?
Speaker 2: Why was he able to?
Speaker 4: Yeah, they tried to. They tried to intertwe it in
Speaker 4: there with the little flashbacks because they showed he did
Speaker 4: it at his job when he saved. No, he's not
Speaker 4: a fighter, though, but he just got so he didn't
Speaker 4: he did.
Speaker 7: He was whopping out like he was he was fighting people,
Speaker 7: and it was like, that's not normal fighting like he's
Speaker 7: a trained fighter.
Speaker 2: Just didn't.
Speaker 5: It wasn't believable.
Speaker 4: And we're trying to say since he had so many
Speaker 4: different jobs, that he had gained all of these different
Speaker 4: experiences and that's what's gonna help him. That's when this thing.
Speaker 4: But I agree with you was with yeah. I was
Speaker 4: just like, this is what the is happening right now?
Speaker 4: I hope this dude, because he's not.
Speaker 7: Not for action movies, he'll probably be finding a drama.
Speaker 2: He's not. He not The next time Cruise, he was.
Speaker 3: Better than Twisters, and that was a bad.
Speaker 2: He was better.
Speaker 4: I believe that version of him more than I did
Speaker 4: this one. And then he married to my girl from
Speaker 4: Sinners too, who from Sinners black chick, that's the preacher
Speaker 4: boy had a crush.
Speaker 3: On her in Sinners.
Speaker 2: Oh really wait what?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 7: Oh I thought you were saying in real life?
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, that's Taylor even that's Taylor Page.
Speaker 4: That's not Taylor.
Speaker 2: It wasn't no from Sinners.
Speaker 7: I could have sworn the credit said Taylor Page was.
Speaker 2: A girl from Preaching to you got way mixed up.
Speaker 7: You about to be like, oh, yeah, no, she's in
Speaker 7: she's in dairy. That's what I'm thinking. She is welcome
Speaker 7: to Daary.
Speaker 2: She's beautiful though she was.
Speaker 3: It was a singer from Sinners.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right.
Speaker 7: I could believe that they were married, but they had
Speaker 7: no they had no chemistry. But I mean, looks wise,
Speaker 7: I could see it, but they had zero chemistry, so
Speaker 7: that is not your baby.
Speaker 2: You know. I think for the purpose of the move
Speaker 2: to service motivation for him, I don't know if they
Speaker 2: needed a lot of chemistry because they want on ain't
Speaker 2: a lot anyway.
Speaker 7: It was Yeah, I feel you on that.
Speaker 1: But I understand what you're saying.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I have to believe that he's sacrificing himself for
Speaker 7: these people exactly. And at no point that I believe
Speaker 7: I felt that at any point like, oh man, I
Speaker 7: really hope he gets this this so he can get
Speaker 7: his baby.
Speaker 6: I never felt like he did. He didn't care about
Speaker 6: that black baby, right, Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean they they went out of their way early
Speaker 2: to basically say he's just the angry white man, you know,
Speaker 2: with the baby, and he bringing a baby just so
Speaker 2: he wouldn't fight the guy and stuff like that. The
Speaker 2: guy from uh Detster, he was from Dexster, right, which
Speaker 2: hit the boss in the beginning. Oh that was Angel yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: You know, so they were trying to go out and
Speaker 2: just establish he's just the angry white white man or
Speaker 2: angry man that's fighting for the regular person, that's going
Speaker 2: out of his way, and because of that, you know,
Speaker 2: he ends up losing his job, fighting against the system.
Speaker 4: Boom off rip.
Speaker 2: This is who this guy is at the detriment of
Speaker 2: his of his family, you know, his baby is, you know, sick,
Speaker 2: got the fluid whatever, And of course the corporate establishment
Speaker 2: or corporate America doesn't care about that. So that was
Speaker 2: pretty much the whole premise. I'm with you, guys. I
Speaker 2: don't think nor did I ever feel like him fighting
Speaker 2: for us. I'm not a big I'm gonna do this
Speaker 2: for my family sort of guy in movies.
Speaker 1: You know, it's just like it's a.
Speaker 2: It works. It's supposed to be an emotional hook, you know,
Speaker 2: for people and service motivation throughout the movie. You don't
Speaker 2: like the.
Speaker 3: Lieson, Yeah, that's exactly what.
Speaker 1: I just you know, it's just I like what he's
Speaker 1: doing and taking.
Speaker 2: But but that's the motivation though, Yeah, I mean it
Speaker 2: serves as a motivation. But I'm with you, guys, I
Speaker 2: don't it just never felt like like that was like
Speaker 2: really driving him to be this I'm gonna survive at
Speaker 2: all costs.
Speaker 1: See.
Speaker 2: I think that's the fault of the movie though in
Speaker 2: the acting.
Speaker 6: I don't mind that motivation and Leans Nilsen is a
Speaker 6: good example of that, Like it seemed like like he
Speaker 6: really was like, oh man, even the scenes where they
Speaker 6: kill his family or whatever, it's like, oh shit, he's
Speaker 6: fucking mad. I never got that from this guy.
Speaker 2: Oh I got I got mad. I felt like it
Speaker 2: was it made I think the criticism of that time
Speaker 2: it seemed like it was way maybe way over the top,
Speaker 2: like he was trying to present too much of an
Speaker 2: angry person to sell that to the watchers. So overall though.
Speaker 6: And they had a commitic, a comedic element to it
Speaker 6: because when they were trying to go through all the
Speaker 6: things that he was saying like oh yeah, I'm.
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, this isn't helping. Yeah. Overall, I didn't think
Speaker 2: it was that bad, though I thought it was gonna
Speaker 2: be awful. I really I didn't think it was that bad.
Speaker 1: I think.
Speaker 2: Reflecting back on it, there were like big gaps that
Speaker 2: you know, I felt like I could have ded without.
Speaker 2: There were moments where I was asking, so, how are
Speaker 2: you going to get because you're supposed to do thirty
Speaker 2: something days of not being captured, So I'm like, how
Speaker 2: are you going.
Speaker 1: To do this? In day one? They found you, like, so.
Speaker 2: How the hell are you going to go through his
Speaker 2: ould movie for thirty Days. Found that was. Yeah, it
Speaker 2: was like, and you don't have any real set of
Speaker 2: skills lin this he and Liam had some skills, particular
Speaker 2: particular set of skills, you know, in this one he didn't.
Speaker 2: But I love the messaging in it. It was very
Speaker 2: overtp you know at times. But you know, I think
Speaker 2: going in it, I felt like I didn't know that
Speaker 2: Mike that it was. It was closer to the book
Speaker 2: because in the original that he thought basically super super Rise,
Speaker 2: you know. So I understand the remake and taking it
Speaker 2: in a different direction, which is more appropriate for the
Speaker 2: times that we're in right now. You know, I get
Speaker 2: all that. It's just the motivation, I don't know, because
Speaker 2: she already had the money Your baby fine, bro, six
Speaker 2: hundred he got in the beginning, Yeah, your baby fine. Yeah.
Speaker 4: He was supposed to win a billion though, right, that
Speaker 4: was I get that motivation.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but he went on the game show to get
Speaker 2: money because he didn't want his wife going down there,
Speaker 2: you know, stripping on.
Speaker 4: A pole or whatever she was watering.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Wait, I don't know. The motivation was fine.
Speaker 4: I just didn't feel like there weren't enough interesting stops
Speaker 4: along the way. I feel like for a movie like
Speaker 4: this to work, like you had Michael Sarah's character and
Speaker 4: he ran it to the lady at the end, who
Speaker 4: was like the I guess gen Zier or whatever she
Speaker 4: was supposed to be with the Gucci scarf. Like, since
Speaker 4: dude isn't good at all, there should have been a
Speaker 4: lot of interesting stops on the way, like him running
Speaker 4: into more interesting people as he was trying to get
Speaker 4: this done.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there was definitely a drag towards the medal. You
Speaker 2: mentioned when I named the movies that this guy directed,
Speaker 2: you said, that makes sense. How do you feel like
Speaker 2: his directed style or I guess you can you can
Speaker 2: answer this to if you have an answered shape this
Speaker 2: this particular version of The Running Man. So I don't.
Speaker 6: I don't, like I said in the beginning, like I
Speaker 6: thought it was a decent effort at it because I
Speaker 6: thought it was gonna be way worse or whatever. So
Speaker 6: you know, I wasn't like, oh God, give me out
Speaker 6: of this movie theater because there was moments.
Speaker 2: Where I was like, Okay, that kind of works or whatever.
Speaker 4: But I typically like.
Speaker 1: His his style.
Speaker 2: You know, the Baby Drive did a Baby Drive, Baby
Speaker 2: Driver last night and soho and yeah yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 6: So so I'm not I'm not mad at his directing style.
Speaker 6: So I think that could.
Speaker 4: Have been fun.
Speaker 2: Really my problem is the main I think if you
Speaker 2: had a good lead, I think this would have been
Speaker 2: a lot better.
Speaker 6: He is the running it's called the running Man, and
Speaker 6: your lead is the worst, almost the worst part of
Speaker 6: the movie.
Speaker 4: I was gonna say the same thing when you ask direction.
Speaker 4: It wasn't him. It wasn't like the things that I noticed,
Speaker 4: like from Baby Driver in this film that is similar.
Speaker 4: They were good things. It was like he did a
Speaker 4: good job of storytelling, pacing. He just didn't have a
Speaker 4: lot to work with the main dude. That's my biggest issue.
Speaker 4: Like even at the end, like when they were not
Speaker 4: to jump ahead, but when they told him him, oh
Speaker 4: you're the ultimate hunter, like know you not? I he
Speaker 4: was that band though he was awful. He took the
Speaker 4: movie down or notch, like it could have been a
Speaker 4: good movie. To Rodge's point, like the direction, the storyline,
Speaker 4: the plot, all of the stuff that they did was good.
Speaker 3: He was just awful.
Speaker 5: He's not believable as this character, you know.
Speaker 7: But my my issue started when they were like, oh,
Speaker 7: we gotta save our kids.
Speaker 5: Kids got the flu. I'm like, your kid has the flu.
Speaker 7: They couldn't think of anything else. The kid has the flu,
Speaker 7: and they were like, oh, you know this, this this
Speaker 7: stuff that we're giving the kid is just you know,
Speaker 7: masking the symptoms.
Speaker 5: We have to get the cure.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 7: So in the future there's a cure for the flu,
Speaker 7: but also the few flu kills babies.
Speaker 1: The fever is dangerous.
Speaker 4: At least say long term cold.
Speaker 7: Is something that may be like, oh no, poor baby
Speaker 7: and all.
Speaker 2: Honestly, Mike, I was shocked that it was just the
Speaker 2: damn flu. I was something else.
Speaker 7: Well, they better they should have said that. They should
Speaker 7: have said that ship because I was like, this a
Speaker 7: little motherfucker if you don't give them some tossing and
Speaker 7: in this movie.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because that's something you your your body tends, i
Speaker 2: mean tends to well fight off the Yeah. No, never
Speaker 2: mind the flu, take out pokes, never mind, Yeah, never mind.
Speaker 2: They're trying to push to push the flu vaccine right now.
Speaker 4: So you do it.
Speaker 5: My job makes me Okay.
Speaker 2: So you guys are not on board with the reimagining
Speaker 2: of the Running.
Speaker 1: Man because having seen you know.
Speaker 2: I know you two have seen the original, you know,
Speaker 2: so this version of The Running Man, I'm.
Speaker 7: Fine with the retelling of the story. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 7: I know dipshits will be like, Oh, it's because you're
Speaker 7: old and y'all don't understand why they do this, and
Speaker 7: y'all just want stuff to stay the same.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 7: No, I'm completely fine with them opening The Running Man
Speaker 7: up to it being in the real world because I
Speaker 7: like that aspect of it being regular people that could
Speaker 7: find him and kill him and they get the money.
Speaker 2: So I liked all of that. It's just the guy.
Speaker 7: I was just like, how is he whopping all these
Speaker 7: dudes ass?
Speaker 5: How is he winning these fights? Why is he winning
Speaker 5: these fights?
Speaker 2: Why am I.
Speaker 7: Supposed to believe that he's tough when I feel like
Speaker 7: I could whoop his ass? I just it just didn't That.
Speaker 5: Part didn't work.
Speaker 7: But the retelling of the story, I thought, if you
Speaker 7: put somebody else in that role, I feel like this
Speaker 7: story was really cool. Open it up to the entire world.
Speaker 7: I think that's dope, at least the city.
Speaker 2: I think that's why I like it more than you guys,
Speaker 2: because I think I liked the idea behind the story
Speaker 2: corporate media being a dictatorship controlling.
Speaker 1: What the propaganda. You know.
Speaker 2: So, yeah, so that actor didn't really bother me that much.
Speaker 2: He was just kind of a vehicle to get through it.
Speaker 2: And I already know that.
Speaker 4: The hus car if he was the vehicle that was
Speaker 4: as car.
Speaker 2: That was you know, hey man something. But you still
Speaker 2: got to me, right, you know, you know so, and
Speaker 2: I know that they're trying to push him. I think
Speaker 2: I'm trying to see you know, when I'm watching, I'm like,
Speaker 2: it could he And from what I'm saying, it's been successful,
Speaker 2: you know, in terms of yeah, it says the runner
Speaker 2: man delivers one of the biggest office spots off his
Speaker 2: debuts for a Stephen King uh adaptation. Now what does
Speaker 2: that mean that? You know, I have to read more
Speaker 2: of the article, but either way, I go so, I
Speaker 2: you know, I like that aspect of it. It's it's
Speaker 2: a story here, but it's not a lot of story
Speaker 2: because he's spending a lot of time running around, like
Speaker 2: you know, he goes and meet the guy you know,
Speaker 2: of course he's his child sick. The sock is supposed
Speaker 2: to be like this thing that connects.
Speaker 3: Did the song around it?
Speaker 4: It was the kids. But when he found it, where
Speaker 4: did it come from?
Speaker 2: I have no idea it's but there wasn't a loss
Speaker 2: sock was it?
Speaker 4: It was.
Speaker 5: Sock in his pocket.
Speaker 7: I was like, what is happening?
Speaker 2: What happened? But my thing is if you're looking for
Speaker 2: the sock, you always check your pockets.
Speaker 3: That's what I would have thought.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's why he was looking at bit like, damn, man,
Speaker 6: I couldn't just check my pockets.
Speaker 4: That's what I got to look up in the air for.
Speaker 4: I thought he did as a sign. Yeah, I thought
Speaker 4: he was like, oh god, this is like he was
Speaker 4: just like, yeah, of course is right.
Speaker 6: You're like, damn, because now you get busy sometimes you
Speaker 6: just especially you're picking up shit, you put stuff in
Speaker 6: your pockets, like when you clean up after your kids
Speaker 6: and all that. Yeah, you just push it everywhere like yeah.
Speaker 2: So yeah, So they got this free V thing which
Speaker 2: keeps you know, everybody's in this sort of docile state
Speaker 2: with reality game action, which of course it seemed very simple,
Speaker 2: you know, sounds very real about what happens right now
Speaker 2: this network and he was even in the beginning, he
Speaker 2: was watching all these different game shows. That's the way
Speaker 2: to make money, you know, and then with the game,
Speaker 2: the runners get a twelve hour head start one thousand
Speaker 2: dollars and then they get money for you know, all
Speaker 2: the hunters and stuff that they killed.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So yeah, and they're being is supposed to be an angry,
Speaker 2: paranoid guy that fights against the system. And that was
Speaker 2: pretty much it. So, you know, just a whole commentary
Speaker 2: on poverty, you know, media as well. So so anyway,
Speaker 2: what did you guys think about? Like so in the beginning,
Speaker 2: he went to go meet this guy Molly. Molly is
Speaker 2: this version of Mike in the original I don't know
Speaker 2: if anybody have seen the original version. He was the
Speaker 2: one that kind of helped anybody listening. He was the
Speaker 2: one that helped them get the collar off. So he's
Speaker 2: supposed to be the tech guy, but he snitched quick.
Speaker 1: Well he snitched like.
Speaker 2: A motherfucker bro. But but yeah, so he gives him
Speaker 2: a preacher, all these different disguises, which were terrible disguises,
Speaker 2: y'all think, Yes, was he good at his job?
Speaker 3: No he was not.
Speaker 2: It was the same damn hairstyle.
Speaker 1: The mustache.
Speaker 5: Still you man, Yeah, like what are we doing?
Speaker 2: He dow, Yeah, going on did y'all live we snatched
Speaker 2: that kid up on the plane or the bus.
Speaker 4: I did not laugh.
Speaker 2: I don't remember remember that kid was like, hey, mister,
Speaker 2: your your face, your face, and he snatched him up. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I didn't see it as must as was coming on.
Speaker 2: He was just going to see it was snatched that
Speaker 2: little fat, fat motherfucker up. Bro, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: I thought that was funny.
Speaker 2: I thought that was funny. That's good. I'm glad he
Speaker 2: look man, it wasn't a lot. Yeah, I thought that
Speaker 2: was funny that he snatched him up like that. Uh
Speaker 2: so yeah, so he ends up hiding out at a hotel. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and uh they found him. Never really say how. I
Speaker 2: think later on we found out that they were using
Speaker 2: the track. Well, it was really stupid because he has
Speaker 2: to make a video yeah ten minutes, and the video
Speaker 2: is connected to the network and then where I p
Speaker 2: which can be triangulated like bro, of course they're gonna
Speaker 2: find you, like.
Speaker 1: So yeah, so that's the.
Speaker 6: Whole reason they got the system in place, like probably
Speaker 6: just so they can't find you. That's why he had
Speaker 6: to try to put up curtains and ship like that
Speaker 6: so they can't know where he is.
Speaker 4: What that like, you said this matter?
Speaker 2: Yeah, so and this particular one for whatever reason, I
Speaker 2: told you, Robley trying to sell him. Bro, he got
Speaker 2: nicked and he went to.
Speaker 4: Then't always work, man, he went to the chow.
Speaker 2: It depends on looking rot but him running around neked,
Speaker 2: climbing the side of the building necket.
Speaker 5: Like, man, if you don't get this ship out of here.
Speaker 1: That didn't work for y'all, No.
Speaker 4: It did not didn't work for you.
Speaker 2: It didn't make any sense, like because I guess he
Speaker 2: was just gonna walk back to the thing with a towel.
Speaker 4: How no one outside see his building?
Speaker 2: Yeah, he just left your clothes and that's it. So
Speaker 2: in this scene, though, Mike, he didn't he didn't really
Speaker 2: fight any hunters. They just he he got He was
Speaker 2: really lucky because the building blew up with the gas
Speaker 2: and stuff. Yeah yeah, which for a regular guys at
Speaker 2: this moment it felt believable because I'm like, how you
Speaker 2: have no skills, how are you going to get out
Speaker 2: of this situation with these people chasing you? You know,
Speaker 2: So it blew up and they blamed everything on him,
Speaker 2: and then that's when you run into.
Speaker 1: The black kid.
Speaker 2: You don't like the Black family kids are horrible.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they're pretty What happens to the good actors?
Speaker 2: Man?
Speaker 4: Like what happens? That's what I'm trying to remember.
Speaker 2: Whatever, it seemed like, you know, all that they were adults.
Speaker 5: We thought that Gary Coleman.
Speaker 4: There was good, Ravens was good. I'm telling you, I
Speaker 4: don't know what Plunky Brewster, Yeah, I don't know what's
Speaker 4: going on with your actors man.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's a little motherfucker.
Speaker 2: I felt really bad for that family though, And I
Speaker 2: don't even know if he even helped them. Which family,
Speaker 2: the black family? Because this is where we meet the resistance.
Speaker 2: So we went from like part action, then we get
Speaker 2: into like the so called political part of the movie.
Speaker 2: Uh for like the second act, I think it is
Speaker 2: what they would call it where he meets the black
Speaker 2: kid and then the other black guy that wasn't gonna
Speaker 2: snitch on him. Chance. Yeah, he had a chance to
Speaker 2: call in and get the reward money and he didn't,
Speaker 2: which all have call this in. I don't know, you're
Speaker 2: a resistance fighter make money again until that money come
Speaker 2: on with face? And you know, I think they you know,
Speaker 2: that's why they made the you know, it was also
Speaker 2: part of the show that they don't care about the poor.
Speaker 2: But you know, the daughter of his sister had cancer,
Speaker 2: lung cancer, and then they connected that to you know,
Speaker 2: pollution and radiation and stuff like that. So I thought
Speaker 2: that was sad because she was in a lot of pain.
Speaker 2: Would you have turned them in? Rock what I.
Speaker 3: Want to turn them in?
Speaker 2: You hearing your your sister in there in excruciating pain,
Speaker 2: and this reward money can help alleviate that.
Speaker 1: You wouldn't have been a like.
Speaker 6: I mean, this guy seemed like well, based on this character,
Speaker 6: he seemed like he was really really against what they
Speaker 6: were doing, Like he had tapes upon tapes, so in
Speaker 6: his situation, no, I mean, it didn't make sense, but
Speaker 6: he asking me personally, maybe, yeah.
Speaker 2: They created a scenario where it called for him to
Speaker 2: do it. Yeah, but I think what he did, what
Speaker 2: he did a good job of saying is the reason
Speaker 2: why he didn't do is because basically he's at the
Speaker 2: game was rigged. So even if he called the men,
Speaker 2: there was no way they were going to get the money,
Speaker 2: which is why he said there was no point exactly exactly. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but yeah, it's he ended up being right though, Yeah,
Speaker 2: for sure. So yeah, yeah, yeah, he was right, isn't
Speaker 2: it how rewards be working to like they don't be
Speaker 2: giving people them shits for.
Speaker 4: Real, only if you uh, you kind of wait until
Speaker 4: the charges are actually like prosecuting.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 6: They put all these stipulations around it to where you're like,
Speaker 6: you know what, just fuck it?
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, this.
Speaker 4: Part where they he gotta be like, oh, they got
Speaker 4: to go to court and get convicted, then you get
Speaker 4: your money.
Speaker 6: But they just did it in another show. I know
Speaker 6: that's not real life, but they just did it in
Speaker 6: another show where they think task yeah that's why.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah so and then in this part that's when
Speaker 2: you know, we realized, like very similar to the first one,
Speaker 2: that they're editing and doing deep fakes and changing everything
Speaker 2: so he can't even get the message out. What I
Speaker 2: don't know and maybe one of you guys can tell me,
Speaker 2: because I only watched it once. How did them people
Speaker 2: find them? Remember he was attacked by people on bikes,
Speaker 2: but those were not the hunters, So how did they
Speaker 2: know Ben Richards was even in that building when he
Speaker 2: brought him out to take him to the trains.
Speaker 6: Remember they said they had hunters and some other people.
Speaker 6: It was like some village bench lante type people I know.
Speaker 2: But he was staying in that he was basically hidden
Speaker 2: out of sight. He never really came out of the
Speaker 2: the apartment.
Speaker 3: Apartment.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I thought I thought the I thought the home
Speaker 4: the home the crazy guy outside.
Speaker 6: He would pass by him and stuff, and he didn't
Speaker 6: think he realized. He thought he was just crazy, But
Speaker 6: he wasn't. He was actually like he was on operation.
Speaker 6: He wasn't like.
Speaker 2: An actual that was that was the that wasn't Was
Speaker 2: that the No, that was the third time he escaped
Speaker 2: from them, right, No, that's the first time hotel.
Speaker 6: And that's he thought it was just a crazy man outside,
Speaker 6: but it wasn't. It was just somebody doing intel.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's how Yeah that was dope.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's how they feel.
Speaker 2: But yeah, the second one, I don't know how the
Speaker 2: vigilantes followed him, but anyway, I guess, well, I think
Speaker 2: that at that point, he was on the he was
Speaker 2: on the news.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but how they know where he was?
Speaker 2: Yeah, because he was on he was on the news
Speaker 2: and it had.
Speaker 1: But how did they know he was in his house?
Speaker 4: Wait? I'm getting parts confused.
Speaker 2: So remember when they were like okay, here's my man.
Speaker 2: You can trust him with your life, which is Michael
Speaker 2: Sarah's character. We're gonna take you to the train stage
Speaker 2: because because at this point he made the video trying
Speaker 2: to expose the corporation for the radiation and that people
Speaker 2: are dying and starving or whatever, and they edited the
Speaker 2: video and he was like, I didn't say that, and
Speaker 2: Spike the mom was like, get this motherfucker out my house.
Speaker 2: She was she was not the white mama. The black
Speaker 2: mom was like when she saw the video, he was like,
Speaker 2: I ain't say that. Ship get him out. And then
Speaker 2: the brothers had to take him out of the house.
Speaker 2: When they came out of the house and put him
Speaker 2: in the trunk, they were attacked by people on bikers.
Speaker 2: My question is, how did they know he was staying
Speaker 2: in the house. He never went outside. Unless I missed it,
Speaker 2: it's probably not all that serious, But I just thought
Speaker 2: y'all may have seen.
Speaker 4: Something I did. I feel like there's some glaring holes
Speaker 4: in Yeah, for sure, when I talk about when we
Speaker 4: get that later, but I thought there were a lot
Speaker 4: of glaring holes in this mood. Well you're looking, You're like, wait,
Speaker 4: what what's happening?
Speaker 7: Right?
Speaker 2: Now I did have some moment well well anyway, so
Speaker 2: now the audience are starting to flip and they're starting
Speaker 2: to become on Richard's side. So this old Richard lives
Speaker 2: sort of thing and you know, he's starting to become
Speaker 2: a hero. But there was also some explanation, exposition or
Speaker 2: whatever about how this happens where they're using this to
Speaker 2: build up ratings, and they're explained that you have the dummy,
Speaker 2: you have the second person who just lives a lavish lifestyle,
Speaker 2: and then you have him with is the final like
Speaker 2: guy or you know, and he's going to be along
Speaker 2: for us to keep the rating side. And where ratings
Speaker 2: start dipping, then that's when they're go ahead and take
Speaker 2: him out because he's no longer serviceable. Again, very similar
Speaker 2: to a lot of stuff this happened.
Speaker 1: At that point. Did you guys.
Speaker 2: Take away like what he was saying is that we
Speaker 2: as the audience are the villains because we kind of
Speaker 2: we watch to this while watching.
Speaker 4: It, you said, do we agree with that?
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're starting to pick up on that we as
Speaker 2: viewers are as the audience, are the villains. In addition
Speaker 2: to corporate America.
Speaker 4: That's an interesting concept. I wouldn't primarily put it on
Speaker 4: the audience for watching. I mean, some people that's their escape.
Speaker 4: So I mean if they were in a better position
Speaker 4: in general, maybe in life, or more happy with themselves,
Speaker 4: they wouldn't watch this stuff. So I think that that's
Speaker 4: a byproduct of society as well, like people having to
Speaker 4: use those things as an escape. So I think that
Speaker 4: that's adds to it too. I can't necessarily say cut
Speaker 4: it off and.
Speaker 6: Do what, read a book or watch something else.
Speaker 7: I pick up the same thing, and I agree, like,
Speaker 7: you're fucked up if you're watching people get murdered.
Speaker 5: As entertainment.
Speaker 4: I feel the same way about like like Bad Girls
Speaker 4: Club or hip Hop Love and Hipop or all of
Speaker 4: those things. But I still kind of get why people
Speaker 4: watch him too though.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, I guess with those kind of shows, I
Speaker 7: don't see it as bad, but I obviously I think
Speaker 7: the movie is making an allusion to that, So yeah,
Speaker 7: I get you.
Speaker 2: And even Ben Richards was doing the same thing. He
Speaker 2: was watching the Americanos, which is the Kardashians, so he's
Speaker 2: reiling it against the system, but he's also in his
Speaker 2: own way contributing to the system one by participating in
Speaker 2: the game for you know, his own reasons. But two,
Speaker 2: he's also watching it and talking about watching it. But yeah,
Speaker 2: he still sits up and watching every single time, you know.
Speaker 2: So it's like, yeah, I thought he was just watching
Speaker 2: it just because it's just to get ideas to get money.
Speaker 6: Was he actually watching the Kurdsians show?
Speaker 2: I thought watching entertainment. I don't remember him showing showing
Speaker 2: him watching that stuff as he was watching in the hotel.
Speaker 2: He was watching it. He was watching it at home,
Speaker 2: and that's when he saw the commercial about the game
Speaker 2: shows and how they were winning money. But when he
Speaker 2: was in the game, he was in the hotel. Here
Speaker 2: he is basically kind of away from the slums quote unquote.
Speaker 2: He's in this nice hotel, kicked up, feet on the bed, chilling,
Speaker 2: his wife and the baby sitting there struggling, and he's
Speaker 2: sitting there watch watching TV the Americanos. Out of all
Speaker 2: the things he could have watched at that moment, because
Speaker 2: he got money, it didn't have to be that.
Speaker 1: But yeah, he chose to watch that.
Speaker 2: Sign Note I did think the tell the bed at
Speaker 2: the TV at the end of the bed that shit
Speaker 2: was nice.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they do.
Speaker 2: Show.
Speaker 6: I've never seen that over you didn't see when you overseas,
Speaker 6: Like I had a hotel it was in Paris that
Speaker 6: they had the TV right there and in the front that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yess. It just depends on the hotel you go to.
Speaker 6: They don't have to be no lavish it it just
Speaker 6: sometimes it's right there.
Speaker 2: So after this, well a couple of things happened, so
Speaker 2: he they escaped from there, he goes to on his
Speaker 2: way to meet Michael Sarah's character. He's stowed up in
Speaker 2: another hotel and this time he's uh, pretending to be
Speaker 2: a blond guy the Preacher. But again the costume was
Speaker 2: terrible because they immediately do his as well, shapes and everything,
Speaker 2: and that's when he's like, you know, asked the Preacher
Speaker 2: or whatever. And then he had to run away from
Speaker 2: them to jump on the on the train to get
Speaker 2: to Michael Serrh's character. Any take away from him that
Speaker 2: scene it all the.
Speaker 3: Train, remember the train.
Speaker 1: The train was he just jumped on the train. He
Speaker 1: was just on the train.
Speaker 2: But just the him being the preacher and you over
Speaker 2: here people, I think in the hotel he was staying in,
Speaker 2: you know, talking about him. He's listening to him and
Speaker 2: he was like, yeah, what he said. One of the
Speaker 2: guys that were like, yeah, did you see this guy whatever?
Speaker 2: He was like, man, that's kind of fucked up. You
Speaker 2: ask him that because he's blind or whatever. But this, Yeah,
Speaker 2: at this point he's starting to become a hero to
Speaker 2: the regular folks. Yes, I don't remember the train part. Okay,
Speaker 2: the people were chasing him in the car he ran
Speaker 2: and jumped on the train. Oh yea yea yeah, yea yea, yeah,
Speaker 2: I got you. Nothing really happened. It was just more
Speaker 2: action just because the movie was probably getting bored then,
Speaker 2: because you know, it's just like we need to give
Speaker 2: some action shit here, because again it's like day fifteen
Speaker 2: or whatever. Bro. And my thing is, you're supposed to
Speaker 2: mail these things off every single day. We're we're jumping
Speaker 2: ahead a lot we didn't see in these days passed.
Speaker 1: But that's neither it nor there.
Speaker 2: The conspiracy theorist dude telling the pre recorders tape store, right,
Speaker 2: that's what he was going to do, and that was
Speaker 2: his whole plan when he got there. But before we
Speaker 2: get there, what did you guys think about old girl
Speaker 2: from the Alien movie?
Speaker 3: Was the car the girl driving?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: The second the second.
Speaker 5: Participant Alien movie.
Speaker 3: When we reviewed, I.
Speaker 1: Thought, like the most recent one.
Speaker 3: But the black dude with the glasses you.
Speaker 5: Talk about you talk about the woman that he hijacked
Speaker 5: her car.
Speaker 2: No no, no, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 1: The woman that was at the casino.
Speaker 2: She was the second participant in the movie from.
Speaker 5: Love Lifes Bleeding.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they underutilized her because the movie was No.
Speaker 1: No, she wasn't in Prometheus.
Speaker 7: You are fucked up. You thought that that's Vasquez from Aliens.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, no, no, I look it up. No
Speaker 2: she was. That's not what I was.
Speaker 4: I remember from Love Lives beating and in the mar
Speaker 4: in the uh, in the Star Wars things, Yeah, one
Speaker 4: of the tenants.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Rod, I agree with you. I think I think
Speaker 2: she was definitely on the use. She's good.
Speaker 5: She's really good.
Speaker 4: She's good.
Speaker 2: And when I saw her, I thought she was gonna
Speaker 2: have more. I did too.
Speaker 1: I did.
Speaker 2: Katie O'Brien, that's her name, Yeah, I did too.
Speaker 4: She's dope.
Speaker 6: So they definitely under utilized her. Had her doing dumb ship.
Speaker 2: Yeah her, damn she wasn't.
Speaker 7: M hm.
Speaker 3: Ship.
Speaker 7: I thought what they did with her with her role
Speaker 7: was cool. I just wish they would have expanded it
Speaker 7: atle bit more. But like her being this, you know,
Speaker 7: that's what I mean, lesbian, and she took the money
Speaker 7: and immediately went to spend on a bunch of women
Speaker 7: and ship I thought that was funny.
Speaker 3: It was.
Speaker 6: It seemed dumb though it was funny. But you can't
Speaker 6: survive that way. No, No, you're out literally in the
Speaker 6: public and I and doing like yeah, so it just
Speaker 6: seems like I said, I just thought they were gonna
Speaker 6: do more with her character.
Speaker 2: And her death was stupid by these two kids, and
Speaker 2: all they got was cereal.
Speaker 5: I kind of like that.
Speaker 7: It's just like getting kids being like groomed to this
Speaker 7: type of violence, a little redneck white kids too.
Speaker 3: Yeah about right.
Speaker 6: Why did they show her getting away when she actually
Speaker 6: didn't get away.
Speaker 1: She did get away.
Speaker 2: I thought she got away from the hunters. I guess
Speaker 2: I should say.
Speaker 6: Oh, they were showing her getting away from the hunters,
Speaker 6: and then the kids.
Speaker 2: Actually civilians killed them. But they didn't even get any money.
Speaker 2: Mm hm, I remember that. Yeah, they just got cereal.
Speaker 3: Bro.
Speaker 2: This was like probably they were chubby too, damn, so
Speaker 2: they probably thought they wanted that a little bit.
Speaker 4: I think they were just regular kids.
Speaker 2: I don't know, I want them look like like, you know,
Speaker 2: a couple of cookies here and there.
Speaker 1: Bro, there's a rap.
Speaker 2: They go through phases, they do, they do.
Speaker 6: They don't get stuck, get stuck, but nah, some of
Speaker 6: them go through phasm.
Speaker 2: So Michael Sarah's character. I thought this was dope, like
Speaker 2: the idea of we're gonna make the tapes and we'll
Speaker 2: just mail the tapes off for you. Him being part
Speaker 2: of the resistance. I didn't get the hot dog thing.
Speaker 4: Dog.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the hot dog stand. His dad was a cop.
Speaker 2: It was part of the system.
Speaker 6: It was a way that they were able to like
Speaker 6: eat or something like that.
Speaker 1: It was a.
Speaker 2: Very I guess honest living.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but he didn't want to do that, so they
Speaker 2: turned on him. You know, so you know, I get
Speaker 2: the message in there. But I think what it was
Speaker 2: was was the black kid was like, yeah, whatever you do,
Speaker 2: don't ask him about the hot dog. So when he
Speaker 2: asked him about the hot dog, it was like, that's
Speaker 2: the story. Like, I don't know, I thought it was
Speaker 2: gonna be something. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I thought it was gonna be more than that. Mike,
Speaker 1: did you see.
Speaker 2: The the the sign written where it not signed, but
Speaker 2: they wrote.
Speaker 7: A gap A G A A B No way, So
Speaker 7: what's the chief for governors?
Speaker 2: Goons? Because they were goons. The goon's supposed to be caught. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I didn't see that. That's kind of funny. Yeah it
Speaker 2: was on one of the posts. Yeah, they wrote that
Speaker 2: on there. But yeah, but did you guys like Michael
Speaker 2: Sarah's character.
Speaker 4: Yes, that was the best part of the movie, even
Speaker 4: though it was predictable and you kind of felt like
Speaker 4: he was going to do that. All of it hit
Speaker 4: all that, the mob part, the booby traps, like all
Speaker 4: of it, because it's just he seemed like that type
Speaker 4: of dude, like he played that character will So I
Speaker 4: feel like all of that just worked. She was but
Speaker 4: it was But I enjoyed it the most.
Speaker 3: Out of the hole.
Speaker 2: Know, the traps, the booty traps as they were sayinges
Speaker 2: were cool.
Speaker 1: But Rod leave, it.
Speaker 3: Was outside his house.
Speaker 4: You said, leave, where were gonna go down to the tunne?
Speaker 2: He said four and a half minutes for them to
Speaker 2: get there. And he's playing fucking games with it. That's
Speaker 2: what he wants, Like, yeah, finally I get the fucking
Speaker 2: people look and he got killed. What's more important he.
Speaker 4: Got away what he didxcuse me, he didn't get away,
Speaker 4: they did leave, he did like kind of time it right,
Speaker 4: just got sniped.
Speaker 2: No, he ran into the guy in the tunnel. But
Speaker 2: he's still.
Speaker 5: For that.
Speaker 4: That's when he got stabbed. Yeah, but he didn't die
Speaker 4: for that, right when he got shot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know that. But I'm just saying I just
Speaker 2: could have got if it would have just left a
Speaker 2: lot early.
Speaker 1: You probably, It's just.
Speaker 4: It reminded me a trigger happy, like MAGA some ship,
Speaker 4: like you know, how they ready.
Speaker 1: To use their gun this moment.
Speaker 2: It's all like this.
Speaker 4: He wanted.
Speaker 2: He spent all his time creating this ship.
Speaker 5: He wanted to use it.
Speaker 2: I ain't just running.
Speaker 4: People up.
Speaker 7: Kill Michael Sarah instead of the running man, because then
Speaker 7: the game would have been over.
Speaker 2: Because the raidings were high TV. Yeah, the raiders were high,
Speaker 2: so you know at this point, yeah, everybody's tuning it
Speaker 2: in it, you know. But yeah, this was the moment
Speaker 2: he could have he could have basically took him out.
Speaker 4: But yeah, how did the dude find the tunnel that
Speaker 4: was in the tunnel, I don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just popped up out of the nowhere in the tunnel,
Speaker 2: Like unless they did like an infrared shot.
Speaker 4: Then the whole team would have been down there. Why
Speaker 4: was it just one random dude in the tunnel.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean they are hunters, so it was one
Speaker 2: of the hunters down there, right, And he didn't He
Speaker 2: didn't win this fight, Mike, which one with the hunter
Speaker 2: with the mask? No, not at the end. Not at
Speaker 2: the end. Remember the guy stabbed because it really cut
Speaker 2: his his Yeah, but he.
Speaker 7: Held his own still.
Speaker 6: I mean we can hold their on fights against like
Speaker 6: professional fighters.
Speaker 2: I thought he did be in that fight. He didn't
Speaker 2: win that fight.
Speaker 7: He ended up killing the guy, didn't he.
Speaker 2: I thought he won that fight. He got away, Yeah,
Speaker 2: he got away. But that's that's when Dan Killing came
Speaker 2: on board. It was like, hey, if you kill him
Speaker 2: because Rady is a high then you know he didn't.
Speaker 2: He didn't kill him. I don't think he won that fight.
Speaker 2: I'll tell you how Michael Sarah's character did the hostile
Speaker 2: thing to Yeah he was losing. Yeah, yeah, he was
Speaker 2: losing and then he was a rat.
Speaker 3: That's true.
Speaker 4: It wasn't he heard or injured. He wasn't losing the fight.
Speaker 2: I thought he got no he was was losing. Was cut,
Speaker 2: so yeah, he was losing that fight. And that's why that.
Speaker 6: Don't make sense then, because that dude didn't look tough.
Speaker 6: So you have him do all this other tough ship,
Speaker 6: but you can't beat the little weak motherfucker.
Speaker 2: I don't know if he's a he's not a tough guy.
Speaker 2: He's just an angry guy.
Speaker 7: Not anybody.
Speaker 4: It was synonymous.
Speaker 2: It was angry.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I got tough guy when he was trying to
Speaker 4: beat the damn because he told the dude, the teller dude,
Speaker 4: it was like, how fucking injured life? Like young at
Speaker 4: the very beginning, he was like read here or whatever,
Speaker 4: and he was. But he's angry though, but he tried
Speaker 4: to give off tough. It ain't just different between angry
Speaker 4: and angry trying to be tough, like it's two different things,
Speaker 4: I think, and that was why he wouldn't. It didn't
Speaker 4: quite It was the Luther Curl. The whole movie. It
Speaker 4: was never quite was believable.
Speaker 2: They never showed. We didn't get like examples they were fighting.
Speaker 2: The only thing we got was him holding this one
Speaker 2: guy by the arm. But we never saw him like
Speaker 2: in actual fights. We just sam trying to be heroic
Speaker 2: or whatever.
Speaker 4: I don't know why you think that Michael cyril Port
Speaker 4: was stupid, just didn't like that type of comedy. Well
Speaker 4: they should have just ran.
Speaker 2: I just think they should have ran. I know, they
Speaker 2: just one of us, show us all boobie traps and
Speaker 2: all the other ship these like things. And it was
Speaker 2: supposed to be a moment in the movie. But I'm like, bro, like,
Speaker 2: just fucking leave, you know, that's my thing, is like?
Speaker 2: And then the mom like the mom snitching And how
Speaker 2: did the mom even know it was him? She never
Speaker 2: turned around and looked at him. Remember he just walked
Speaker 2: in them all was watching the TV and you, hey,
Speaker 2: answering your own questions. You don't want to like this shit.
Speaker 7: I do remember that. But yeah, nah, she was crazy.
Speaker 7: I think she heard him talking or so right.
Speaker 2: Some shit.
Speaker 5: But this part didn't make any sense to me.
Speaker 2: He never walked out, she never visibly saw him until
Speaker 2: he walked out. How did she know it was him?
Speaker 2: It was just I don't know, it just I don't know.
Speaker 1: It was stupid.
Speaker 2: I only saw it once, but that just it was
Speaker 2: just like what and then she snitched? And then he
Speaker 2: did this?
Speaker 7: Yeah, that part.
Speaker 5: Why did Michael Sarah do that? Which hit the button?
Speaker 7: He wanted to him up, But you're risking my life
Speaker 7: to do that. Let me get away first. Then you
Speaker 7: hit the button.
Speaker 2: And your mom as well.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it didn't make any sense.
Speaker 4: He felt like he had a good escape plan. Yeah,
Speaker 4: he thought he had a good escape He thought he
Speaker 4: did and he thought this was a good time, as in,
Speaker 4: if I'm gonna get the fucking of these people up,
Speaker 4: I'm for him up now.
Speaker 3: This is the this is the reason.
Speaker 4: And he hit the button. M yeah, that's why you
Speaker 4: do it.
Speaker 2: I don't know. That ship was stupid anyway, you wanted
Speaker 2: to him up, Well, it didn't work and he got
Speaker 2: sucked up. So after this, to a certain extent, he
Speaker 2: killed quite a few of them off. Well the when
Speaker 2: when the ones were when he kicked the table over
Speaker 2: and the mother we're on fire. That ship was dope.
Speaker 4: The table Yeah that ye, quite a few of them. Yeah,
Speaker 4: but he been Yeah, but that's all you gotta do. Bro,
Speaker 4: He's been waiting, he's been wait. He was waiting on
Speaker 4: his whole life.
Speaker 1: So after that, he's on the run, gets to this.
Speaker 2: House, falls asleep, wake up, They find him again. And
Speaker 2: then he runs into uh he's on this, yeah, because
Speaker 2: he drives off the bridge, runs into the car, jumps off,
Speaker 2: and then he runs it to the lady in the
Speaker 2: car who's watching Americanos, and he kidnaps her. And we
Speaker 2: see the effect of propaganda and how she thinks he's
Speaker 2: this evil guy and stuff like that. So she's the
Speaker 2: and the original running man. There's the woman version of that.
Speaker 4: This is this version of that.
Speaker 1: Spike. You said she was supposed to be gen V.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what I took from gen z or v whatever.
Speaker 2: Privilege got money, believes everything and saying looking down on
Speaker 2: the lower class.
Speaker 4: I think she's doing like the the work of the
Speaker 4: people because she bought her bottled water from whatever it
Speaker 4: may be, some ship like that.
Speaker 2: Mike, did you buy into her turn.
Speaker 3: When?
Speaker 7: No, it was too abrupt?
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, Yeah, no, you you you asked your answer.
Speaker 2: It was just too abrupt.
Speaker 7: I agree, Like nothing happened to make me believe that
Speaker 7: she did a complete one eighty.
Speaker 4: He's like, he wasn't that convinced it, not at all.
Speaker 4: They try to make us believe that he was convincing
Speaker 4: enough when he was taking look at you, you got
Speaker 4: your scarf. My daughter could have got her medicine if
Speaker 4: you didn't buy that scarf, Like what Yeah, But.
Speaker 2: I think part of it is like there was a
Speaker 2: deep fake of her leaning out the window too, and
Speaker 2: I think that was supposed to be oh yeah, while
Speaker 2: she was like, oh wait a minute, you are telling
Speaker 2: the truth. But I'm with you, it was like, oh,
Speaker 2: now you're on his side all the way, you know.
Speaker 2: So it was it was very quick, just off of
Speaker 2: that one thing, and he was like, oh yeah, now
Speaker 2: now you're part welcome to the game.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I was like, what you want to be here?
Speaker 2: Want to be here at this point already I'm over
Speaker 2: this movie. I don't want to be here either.
Speaker 7: Ship Yeah too abrupt. Yeah, give me something like does
Speaker 7: she have a child? Give me something that makes me
Speaker 7: understand why she would all of a sudden turn on the
Speaker 7: system and this plane.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I agree, And even his even him realizing that,
Speaker 2: So I did have a sort of an issue of
Speaker 2: how he was starting to play the game towards the
Speaker 2: end and realizing that his his ratings draw would protect
Speaker 2: him from being killed and driving up it was like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: we can just drive through here because they're not going
Speaker 2: to kill us, you know, because.
Speaker 4: We're fans of us.
Speaker 2: Now, yeah, they're fans of us, the Hunters and this,
Speaker 2: that and the other, and he felt protected.
Speaker 1: I don't like that either.
Speaker 2: Roder also thought he should have probably been a little
Speaker 2: bit smarter when he walked on the plane and realized
Speaker 2: that they were scam and realized that he won caring
Speaker 2: and got damn bomb?
Speaker 3: Why did she keep? What made her turn? And she
Speaker 3: was like check the bag?
Speaker 4: Use the bomb?
Speaker 3: Why she started up?
Speaker 6: Because because she was trying to be convinced, she just
Speaker 6: overly did it. That's why he was looking at her
Speaker 6: like that, like, Okay, calm down, like I don't want to.
Speaker 2: Nah.
Speaker 6: No, That's why he was looking at her like that.
Speaker 6: He's like, no, okay, that's a little too selling it
Speaker 6: a little too hard. I don't want them to actually
Speaker 6: check the bag.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, So he's on the plane and that's when
Speaker 2: the Dan Killey made the proposal, very much like in
Speaker 2: the first one, Rod, did you believe that he killed
Speaker 2: his family?
Speaker 1: Okay, Spike and Mike.
Speaker 2: Already showed that, you know, they create fake vide Yeah,
Speaker 2: so Spike and Mike, why did you think he was
Speaker 2: stupid enough to believe that they killed they killed his family.
Speaker 2: When he saw that they manipulated his video earlier, it.
Speaker 5: Made sense why he would believe it.
Speaker 7: It just didn't make sense that they thought the audience
Speaker 7: was going to believe that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because they never said why, right, And it was
Speaker 4: a rule that we usually don't bother your family, So
Speaker 4: why would they break the rule for no reason?
Speaker 2: Well that was that was part of it. Yeah, But
Speaker 2: that was the narrative that was storytelling at this point
Speaker 2: to flip him. So they needed to have the hunters
Speaker 2: go rogue in order to sell him turning against the
Speaker 2: hunters and killing hunters, you know, so he would be
Speaker 2: the new guy. So because they don't kill family, them
Speaker 2: going outside of the parameters of that would sell it.
Speaker 2: It's just I don't I did struggle with this part
Speaker 2: where his over angry reaction to breaking the monitor and.
Speaker 7: All this other stuff that was ridiculous too.
Speaker 2: It was way way, way, way way too much because
Speaker 2: at this point, Bro, we got it, man, Yeah, we
Speaker 2: we we got it. Bro. You damn you have anger issue,
Speaker 2: you know, and this is this is the one, and
Speaker 2: now you're going to go into the coppic.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm with you, Mike.
Speaker 2: This was the unbelievable fight. Yep. This was the one
Speaker 2: way when the cop pick it took out three people. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I got you, I got you? What Yeah, and using
Speaker 2: the hulk anger as a maid to do it. This
Speaker 2: was definitely unbelievable because everything leading up to this, he
Speaker 2: ain't did ship.
Speaker 4: Why was it? Why was the pilot even like they
Speaker 4: was trained by it looked like.
Speaker 2: Well it's it's a it's a closed space, so it's
Speaker 2: only so much you can do.
Speaker 3: But it was like there was almost military or some ship.
Speaker 2: They were they were the Hunters.
Speaker 4: Got it, Okay, that's okay. The pilots, well, okay, got you.
Speaker 1: Oh you don't know.
Speaker 4: You'll see how they were looking at this point.
Speaker 2: They had a very military stuff. Can remember, because he walked.
Speaker 4: I was wondering when he's just pilots or the hunters.
Speaker 2: That's why he was like, yeah, how many laboratories on
Speaker 2: this plane?
Speaker 4: And he was told him for it was bro okay, gotcha?
Speaker 2: But yeah, no, you're right, and this is this scene.
Speaker 2: This was like he he looked like a trained military
Speaker 2: you know that. So I'm with y'all on this this
Speaker 2: because yeah, because I was because I was even asking,
Speaker 2: how the hell.
Speaker 1: Are you gonna beat all them?
Speaker 4: But the wolf Man got him though, the wolf Man,
Speaker 4: that's our boy from Foundation the middle.
Speaker 2: Oh thet okay, Okay, yeah, I don't know that was him.
Speaker 2: He did.
Speaker 1: He didn't win this fight, his ass.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this fight, I think you're the first one.
Speaker 4: He was a lot cooler with the mask.
Speaker 2: He was right, he took the mask. I thought I
Speaker 2: was gonna see something like I was like a motherucker,
Speaker 2: like they should have kept the mask. Man put that
Speaker 2: ship back off, bro And I don't know if y'all noticed,
Speaker 2: but they had one of the dumb ass shade over
Speaker 2: the over the mask. But the whole show, the whole movie,
Speaker 2: you couldn't see it.
Speaker 6: But it's like when they got close to revealing him,
Speaker 6: now you can kind of see his eyes and ship.
Speaker 4: That shit looked dumb.
Speaker 7: Was he something like big actor or something? That guy?
Speaker 4: I didn't think that at first. I thought he was
Speaker 4: Jake Gillian Hall he on the come up, I thought
Speaker 4: it was I thought it was Colin Ferrell.
Speaker 2: Oh, Colin Ferrell, who could have worked.
Speaker 3: I was like that.
Speaker 2: It was like.
Speaker 7: They made it seem like he was like a big deal,
Speaker 7: like we were gonna go, oh, ship.
Speaker 3: Come up, though he didn't come up yet.
Speaker 2: For most of the movie, I thought it was Michael
Speaker 2: Sarah's character, but it would have been weird, but I
Speaker 2: was waiting him pop up. He was a conspiracy guy,
Speaker 2: so he's almost damning the type cast.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So anyway, he takes off the wolf guy.
Speaker 2: Everything sold, but he rejects Dan Killian's offer to become
Speaker 2: the new Hunter.
Speaker 3: Would y'all had took that deal?
Speaker 2: Trapped in a deal?
Speaker 1: He couldn't.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he couldn't take the deal because remember, his whole
Speaker 2: thing was fighting against the system, fighting for the little guy,
Speaker 2: you know, So for him to take the deal and
Speaker 2: they killed your family. M hm. So in this one, Mike,
Speaker 2: instead of I'll be back, he told him i'll come back,
Speaker 2: I'll fuck you up. It was such a bad line.
Speaker 2: He said, I don't know how, but I'll come back.
Speaker 2: I'll fuck you up. I was like, that's it, Yeah,
Speaker 2: the best life. That was Okay, that's not gonna that's
Speaker 2: not gonna stick. That would They were right. I don't
Speaker 2: know who wrote that one.
Speaker 1: That didn't work? That would?
Speaker 2: It worked because he paused to remember he.
Speaker 7: Did a little look yeah about saying something crazy, I'll
Speaker 7: fuck you, oh man.
Speaker 2: But but yeah, he gave him the middle finger or
Speaker 2: something like that, and then they shot down the plane
Speaker 2: and somehow he survived the plane man shut without a parachute.
Speaker 2: I think they said there was a little pie.
Speaker 1: Very convenient.
Speaker 2: How did he know there was a skate pod on there?
Speaker 2: I don't know that And.
Speaker 3: I got confused here.
Speaker 4: So he survives a plane and it cuts immediately to
Speaker 4: the conspiracy dude to tell the people in the audience
Speaker 4: what happened and if there's a burning plane on the way,
Speaker 4: how did that happen?
Speaker 2: I don't know, because I don't know how he got
Speaker 2: communication back to the black guy to make that. So
Speaker 2: I don't know. I thought that that took place after
Speaker 2: the fact. It changed.
Speaker 3: I was during it was right now.
Speaker 2: I think they were showing what happened. I think it
Speaker 2: was almost like a replay. They were showing the truth
Speaker 2: of what happened in that moment. It wasn't like yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: So I think Tom was able to warn them that
Speaker 4: the plane was on the way to the building.
Speaker 2: Is that is that what happened?
Speaker 4: He was like, everybody start panicking and it was like
Speaker 4: it's a plane on the way to the building right now,
Speaker 4: and that's when they started turning on him and booing
Speaker 4: him and ship like that.
Speaker 2: I don't know, man, I thought I thought all this
Speaker 2: was taking place after the fact, because that wouldn't make
Speaker 2: sense this hole you're talking about, yes, because it wouldn't
Speaker 2: make confused because there's no way he could relay back
Speaker 2: to him because they're on the ground right I don't
Speaker 2: even know what they got A phones.
Speaker 3: Was so good view. I was like, how did that happen?
Speaker 2: Bro?
Speaker 3: Maybe I missed something, something was wrong.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: And then what was called of Domingo's beef?
Speaker 1: Oh I love him, bro?
Speaker 4: What was his beef when he quit you?
Speaker 2: He said in line section two of my contract clause
Speaker 2: in the.
Speaker 4: Smallest motherfucking print. Because I think he's just more concerned
Speaker 4: with his who he is. He's not a he would
Speaker 4: want to be a part of it if it was
Speaker 4: a live something.
Speaker 2: So all he cared about is his celebrity.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he can't give a shit about they calls or
Speaker 4: the network, and.
Speaker 6: He just cared about the celebrity. Like, look, you wanted
Speaker 6: to make this motherfucker popular, That's what I'm doing.
Speaker 2: I do my job, because remember when he showed up,
Speaker 2: he was like, yeah, I know, it's just different in person.
Speaker 2: He's like, yeah, I know, he said, you don't get
Speaker 2: used to He did great job, even when like the
Speaker 2: goons were killed and he's all sad and ship like that,
Speaker 2: and then he wrapped that right.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 4: He was a hell of a showman.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, he was perfect. In the original Dan Killian
Speaker 2: was doing all the he was good. Yeah he was.
Speaker 2: He was. He was the one that was the Ashuall host.
Speaker 2: So anyway, we at the end, y'all we made it.
Speaker 2: Y'all made it. And uh so now the resistance is alive,
Speaker 2: and well, uh Dan lost this person. So he goes
Speaker 2: out there he's trying to be the host himself and
Speaker 2: then there's explosions on stage and you know, with most
Speaker 2: people in power, what did he do? He ran and
Speaker 2: uh hel com Dan Killy, I mean, here come Ben Richards.
Speaker 2: You thought I was dead, walked up on him and
Speaker 2: you know, said yeah, I said, I'll suck you up.
Speaker 1: And there he is.
Speaker 2: And how did he find his wife? And she was
Speaker 2: under a different alias? Well, probably the hackers did it.
Speaker 2: I thought that was cute. She gave him a sock.
Speaker 2: She was bound to Cereal, She's reunited back because I was.
Speaker 4: Like, she'd get the sock and see him out there
Speaker 4: and then he had domestic.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was a superhero announcementit he's in that Ben
Speaker 2: Riley costume from fider Man. You probably wouldn't get the reference.
Speaker 2: I don't, yeah, so but either way, I go, man,
Speaker 2: I love like you know, I get you out in
Speaker 2: like the actor. And that was a big no no
Speaker 2: for you guys.
Speaker 7: Blah blahlah.
Speaker 2: Man I was, I was. I was okay with it.
Speaker 2: I was okay with it. I can I can look
Speaker 2: past him. I liked the messaging of it. I thought
Speaker 2: the middle piece definitely dragged in parts. There were definitely
Speaker 2: some questions about fifteen sixteen days, you know, and they
Speaker 2: were at that point finding you at every goddamn location.
Speaker 2: So so, and you went a couple of days without
Speaker 2: them finding you. Now, part of that is that they're
Speaker 2: just prolonging it because it's the ratings, so you have
Speaker 2: to prolong the hunt in order to drive the ratings
Speaker 2: up to get people coming back. So you know, I
Speaker 2: get all that, But nevertheless, I think it was a
Speaker 2: serviceable remake, generous I'm partial to the villains in the
Speaker 2: first one and I was I was wondering if they
Speaker 2: could have done a version of that, because you had
Speaker 2: sub zero Busts all Dynamo because he's what he said,
Speaker 2: welcome to me, my love or something like that. You
Speaker 2: had Captain Freedom, and another one I can't remember. You
Speaker 2: have the black guy, the fire guy. We had the flamethrower.
Speaker 2: He was at, uh, he's a wanta want a light
Speaker 2: or something like that. The puns are crazy, spite you
Speaker 2: gotta watch it. Puns are crazy anyway, man. Yeah, let
Speaker 2: me let me all right, Well, that's gonna do it
Speaker 2: for us.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 2: We'll catch you guys that time we out. Peace. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm glad you enjoyed it.
Speaker 7: You can
Speaker 2: Yeah,