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Speaker 1: Good Tuesday morning to you. The sun is out.

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Speaker 2: Hell feels balmy outside compared to what we've had to

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Speaker 2: deal with here in recent days. And as we said

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Speaker 2: to lead off the show, kind of a quiet week

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Speaker 2: from a sports standpoint at night, and that includes the

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Speaker 2: NBA team And let's talk with the head coach of

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Speaker 2: the NBA team here locally, Rick Carlisle joins.

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Speaker 1: Us right now. Pacers off until Thursday.

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Speaker 2: They will take on the New York Knicks as they

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Speaker 2: get restarted, if you will amidst the NBA Cup coach.

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Speaker 1: Good morning to you.

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Speaker 3: How you doing.

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Speaker 4: Doing all right?

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Speaker 1: Some rare practice time for you, guys.

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Speaker 2: I know you've had a little bit here, but you

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Speaker 2: get an opportunity to be on the floor later today.

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Speaker 2: What will be the focus for you practice wise this week?

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Speaker 5: Getting better up ends of the floor. You know, we

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Speaker 5: had some time last week and we did some okay

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Speaker 5: things in the in the two games, really more of

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Speaker 5: the Philadelphia game than the Washington game.

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Speaker 3: The Washing game was it was a very poor performance.

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Speaker 5: But we've got to keep working, going to keep working

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Speaker 5: at making progress.

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Speaker 3: Rick.

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Speaker 6: When you look at the defensive effort, particularly when it

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Speaker 6: comes to the Wizards game, what things stand out to

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Speaker 6: you about what has to change for your team to

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Speaker 6: obviously play with more effort and winning those types of

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Speaker 5: The beginning of the game are our level of everything

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Speaker 5: has got to be better. We somehow came through the

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Speaker 5: first quarter with a one point lead. We had we

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Speaker 5: had a couple of threes that banked in, and we

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Speaker 5: just had some some odd things happened that positioned us

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Speaker 5: to be ahead in that game.

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Speaker 3: It was it was fool's gold obviously, because.

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Speaker 5: You know Washington was just playing with more or presence

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Speaker 5: or force, you know, all those all those words.

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Speaker 3: You period equally talking about.

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Speaker 5: And yeah, second and third quarters were very poor and

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Speaker 5: we got behind the eight ball, and it was it

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Speaker 5: was too much to come back from.

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Speaker 3: So plenty to work on.

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Speaker 2: The basically, back to practice today, back on the court

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Speaker 2: game wise, coming up Thursday will be the next for

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Speaker 2: Carlisle with us here on the Payless Slickers hotline. Coach.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure it happens at other points in the season,

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Speaker 2: but you will get an opportunity tonight where the team

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Speaker 2: that you play next is the standalone game and you,

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Speaker 2: I guess get to watch that live. I'm curious when

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Speaker 2: those opportunities do arise over the course of the season.

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Speaker 2: You get Nick Spurs tonight NBA Cup Championship game and

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Speaker 2: then you will see them on Thursday in your own building.

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Speaker 2: How much of a live scouting look does that offer you?

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Speaker 2: And what I guess benefit if it all is there?

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Speaker 1: From that?

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Speaker 5: Well, when you say live, you mean just watching the

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Speaker 5: game in real.

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Speaker 1: Time, right right, I guess that.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean there's no other games obviously, as you mentioned,

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Speaker 5: so yeah, you can do that, and that's uh, you

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Speaker 5: know that, that's that's a compelling game tonight.

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Speaker 4: You know, both both the games in the.

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Speaker 5: Cup semi final we were terrific games. You know, I

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Speaker 5: thought the New York Orlando game was physical and competitive,

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Speaker 5: was was very very interesting.

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Speaker 3: So, uh, this is a great matchup tonight.

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Speaker 5: The way this happens, where this works is, you know,

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Speaker 5: from a logistics standpoint.

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Speaker 4: If if we choose we meeting, the.

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Speaker 5: Coaching staff choose not to watch it live in real time.

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Speaker 3: So in other words, we have.

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Speaker 5: We have interns that break down the games, do what

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Speaker 5: we call cutting the games, and so that means we

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Speaker 5: where you can download it pretty quickly and you can

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Speaker 5: So you know, that means you can watch a toll

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Speaker 3: You skim through it, you can watch it.

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Speaker 4: And you know, pretty and significantly less amount of time.

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Speaker 5: The advantage to that is is obvious. You don't have

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Speaker 5: the lags and the commercials, et cetera.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, I mean this is you know, I'm gonna

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Speaker 4: I'll be watching this tonight.

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Speaker 3: This is gonna be.

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Speaker 4: It's gonna be a heck of a game, I you know, and.

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Speaker 5: You know New York I presumably will stay over and

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Speaker 4: You know we'll catch them coming off the finals and

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Speaker 4: and uh, you know we'll have to take advantage of

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Speaker 2: First places next matchup of this season. Coach, I want

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Speaker 2: to expand a little bit more on that kind of

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Speaker 2: for example, if you're playing on a Friday and then

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Speaker 2: again on a Saturday, how much of that Saturday opponent.

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Speaker 2: Are you able to watch do you get just do

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Speaker 2: when you wake up Saturday morning? Do you watch you know,

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Speaker 2: know certain cutups. As you mentioned, how do you treat

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Speaker 5: Uh, really, it's the Preppers Reached game. You know, each

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Speaker 5: member of the coaching staff will have will be responsible

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Speaker 5: for a scout, so you know, one of our coaches

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Speaker 5: we'll focus very much on ourselves and things that we

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Speaker 5: need to do better as a team the next opponent notwithstanding,

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Speaker 3: You know tomorrow.

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Speaker 5: the Knicks game. So that's kind of how it works.

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Speaker 5: So the when you have a back to back, like

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Speaker 4: Et cetera.

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Speaker 5: And so then you know you have the game that

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Speaker 5: uh as you prepare you if you've played them already

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Speaker 6: Rick, looking at some of the numbers you have had

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Speaker 6: this season offensively, I know you've talked about it at length,

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Speaker 6: you know, not necessarily being who you are typically when

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Speaker 6: you have Halliburton out there, how much easier he makes

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Speaker 6: things for you, guys. But in this Wizard's game other

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Speaker 6: games throughout the season, will you shoot it that poorly?

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Speaker 1: How do you grade the results?

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Speaker 6: I know it's results based league and you want to

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Speaker 6: make shots, but do you go back through it and

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Speaker 6: say this is a good shot, this is a batch?

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Speaker 6: How do you you know, view that part of it

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Speaker 5: Yeah, we have different metrics you know too. You know,

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Speaker 5: there's an expected shot production metric that's pretty interesting and

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Speaker 5: and I believe it has some real accuracy elements to it.

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Speaker 5: We we did not score well on that in the

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Speaker 5: Wizards game. You know, we just didn't play well, and

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Speaker 5: we didn't generate generate enough great shots and and we

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Speaker 4: You know, it was it was a it was a

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Speaker 4: rough afternoon, not fun.

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Speaker 5: Give them credit, you know, they they came out and

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Speaker 5: uh and and executed very well, and they played with

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Speaker 2: Pays. Just trying to get back on track coming up

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Speaker 2: Thursday with the next for Carlisle and his bunch on

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Speaker 2: the on the floor. Later today for a practice, coach,

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Speaker 2: you said something I guess it would have been before

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Speaker 2: thoughts on. You asked a question about Nikola Jokic, and

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Speaker 2: most important things in the game of basketball happen on

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Speaker 2: the ground. I believe you also referenced Luca also possesses

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Speaker 2: some of that same ability and I was kind of

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Speaker 2: curious if you could expand on that the most important

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Speaker 5: Well, you know, it's it's a it's a it's a

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Speaker 5: I mean, NBA players devour angles, So there's there's a

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Speaker 5: you're not gonna have You're not gonna have the same

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Speaker 5: amount of ability to finish through through legal contact, you know,

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Speaker 5: it's just it's kind of an odd statement, I understand

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Speaker 5: the question. But those two players in particularly do not

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Speaker 3: See with Jochic so many times. And so.

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Speaker 5: And you look at you know, you look at the

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Speaker 5: You know, Magic Johnson was not a high flyer. He

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Speaker 5: people gave him credit for at his at his height,

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Speaker 5: And so I mean, those are those are some examples,

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Speaker 6: Last one to let you go, Rick, and again we

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Speaker 6: have recall all joining us from the Pacers as the

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Speaker 6: we saw Pascal Siakam and his foundation partner with in

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Speaker 6: Indianapolis School Indiana Math and Science Academy West is good

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Speaker 6: power towards helping kids with literacy and things of that nature.

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Speaker 6: So how have you seen Pascal in the few years

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Speaker 6: he's been here now ingratiate himself with the community and

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Speaker 3: Well, glad you brought this up.

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Speaker 5: His foundation which is p S forty three Foundation, So

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Speaker 5: that's ps as. Pascal Siakam forty three does amazing work

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Speaker 5: that's Andrew Nemhart Foundation along with his family and his

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Speaker 5: dad is a big part of that too, and they

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Speaker 5: do a lot of stuff in the Toronto area and also.

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Speaker 3: In the Indian area.

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Speaker 5: So yeah, look, we have great guys, great people. You know,

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Speaker 4: Doing out there.

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Speaker 5: Uh, there's a level of kindness, there's a level of spirit,

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Speaker 5: the pacers. But uh, the Pascal's work with his with

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Speaker 5: his PS forty three foundation is awesome and I would

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Speaker 5: a wonderful operation. They do great work.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: P S forty three Foundation dot com. Very simple U

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Speaker 2: r L for the Pascal Siakam Foundation. Pacers back to

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Speaker 2: practice today and they will have the knicks inside of

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Speaker 2: a Gambridge field.

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Speaker 1: How was coming it up on Thursday? Coach? As always,

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Speaker 1: we appreciate

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Speaker 4: It all right, Thanks Tank, you here guys,