1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,600 Speaker 1: Well, here's the deal. What's the deal? You asked me questions, 2 00:00:04,600 --> 00:00:06,680 Speaker 1: especially if it's about the governor, I'm gonna give you answer. 3 00:00:06,680 --> 00:00:08,039 Speaker 2: You're going to give your opinion, aren't you. 4 00:00:08,960 --> 00:00:11,080 Speaker 1: I love this new article out in the Indie Star. 5 00:00:11,200 --> 00:00:15,480 Speaker 1: Kayla Dwyer, friend of the show, did the story says, 6 00:00:15,640 --> 00:00:19,320 Speaker 1: has Governor Mike Brown burned all his political capital on redistricting? 7 00:00:19,400 --> 00:00:20,720 Speaker 2: M hm, he's having a tough week. 8 00:00:20,920 --> 00:00:23,239 Speaker 1: Well, obviously it's been a dumpster fire for him, and 9 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:26,400 Speaker 1: you and I have talked at length about about why 10 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:29,480 Speaker 1: people are upset about this. Look can One of the 11 00:00:29,480 --> 00:00:32,239 Speaker 1: things that's been fasting about the whole redistricting thing is 12 00:00:32,320 --> 00:00:35,680 Speaker 1: how people just keep telling themselves something and even though 13 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:39,760 Speaker 1: no evidence to support it ever emerges, people just keep 14 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:41,840 Speaker 1: it up, like, oh no, no, there's all these people 15 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:44,880 Speaker 1: that are in support of redistricting. Well where are they? 16 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:48,680 Speaker 1: Because every public poll that's been released, including by Republican 17 00:00:49,159 --> 00:00:53,640 Speaker 1: affiliated pollsters, has shown people against redistricting, and it not 18 00:00:53,800 --> 00:00:56,640 Speaker 1: that close in most of these polls. Then there's these 19 00:00:56,680 --> 00:01:00,600 Speaker 1: town halls where it's okay, everybody's welcome, right, the Great 20 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:04,320 Speaker 1: Good town Hall, which is a Republican senator, Republican district. 21 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:06,600 Speaker 1: You come, you tell me, I listened to everyone as 22 00:01:06,600 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 1: long as you live in my district. Not one person 23 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:11,119 Speaker 1: spoke in favor of it. A whole bunch of people 24 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:14,920 Speaker 1: spoke against it. And now you have this rally at 25 00:01:14,959 --> 00:01:18,679 Speaker 1: the state House where the estimates are a measly thirty 26 00:01:18,680 --> 00:01:21,360 Speaker 1: to fifty people. And it was the I've seen the photo. 27 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:24,039 Speaker 1: It's the same people. It's the usual suspects. It wasn't 28 00:01:24,120 --> 00:01:26,600 Speaker 1: like our property tax rally. Where all these people coming. 29 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:28,280 Speaker 1: I've never been to one of these before this. I 30 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:31,039 Speaker 1: felt passionate to take the day off work or whatever. 31 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:35,240 Speaker 1: So where are all of these people? They don't appear 32 00:01:35,319 --> 00:01:39,199 Speaker 1: to exist other than in the delusional minds of people 33 00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:43,319 Speaker 1: who desperately want to be always subservient to Donald Trump. 34 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:46,720 Speaker 2: Broun's office said that they have brought GOP support for 35 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:50,920 Speaker 2: his redistricting push, the quote, who's your Republicans in the 36 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:53,720 Speaker 2: state House and around the state are with Governor Braun 37 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:55,280 Speaker 2: on this issue and many more. 38 00:01:55,760 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 1: Okay, so this article and she called me, maybe this 39 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:02,520 Speaker 1: was Monday, and we talked for probably twenty minutes about 40 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:05,400 Speaker 1: but we talked about a variety of things, property taxes, 41 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:09,600 Speaker 1: We talked about the obviously this issue with redistricting, and 42 00:02:10,919 --> 00:02:13,800 Speaker 1: so you know, I look, the quotes don't change very 43 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:15,799 Speaker 1: much for me, right, it's just a continuous what we 44 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:19,400 Speaker 1: do here between nine and noon, and right out of 45 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:21,399 Speaker 1: the bat, to her credit, she knows where the She's 46 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:23,640 Speaker 1: an experienced writer. Kaitlyn Dwyer is very good at what 47 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:26,040 Speaker 1: she does. She knows that people want to see the smoke, 48 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:28,880 Speaker 1: and so right out of the gate, it's me talking about, Hey, 49 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:33,120 Speaker 1: I think Braun if he ultimately loses on this, which 50 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:37,080 Speaker 1: there's still technically time in the game, but if after 51 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:41,519 Speaker 1: failing miserably on property taxes and letting everybody down, it's 52 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:44,519 Speaker 1: not that they didn't get done, it's that he wrote 53 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:47,520 Speaker 1: the check with his mouth that he wouldn't cash with 54 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:49,799 Speaker 1: his actions, and so we lost a whole bunch of 55 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:52,960 Speaker 1: people with that. Now he's about to do it again. 56 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:56,880 Speaker 1: Because I can almost guarantee you he told Trump, because 57 00:02:56,880 --> 00:02:59,120 Speaker 1: I've heard the speech before, I've been in the room 58 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:01,320 Speaker 1: with him when he gives this, and he's very convincing, 59 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:03,519 Speaker 1: because you go, well, this guy's a millionaire, he's done 60 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:05,640 Speaker 1: all these great things, he's a former senator. If he 61 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:08,040 Speaker 1: tells you like they told me last you're oh, man, 62 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:10,680 Speaker 1: don't worry. We got this pack that's coming in and there. 63 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:12,760 Speaker 1: We're gonna bring the boom down on these guys if 64 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:14,799 Speaker 1: they if they don't get in line, and you know, 65 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:17,920 Speaker 1: we got we got this under control. I am almost 66 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 1: certain they gave the same speech months ago to Trump 67 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:25,239 Speaker 1: about Indiana. But I'll get these guys on board. You 68 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:27,000 Speaker 1: don't have to worry about anything. We might need a 69 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 1: little help, and it has a materialized And I said, look, 70 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:33,280 Speaker 1: if he fails on this, he's done, So it's over. 71 00:03:33,919 --> 00:03:38,040 Speaker 2: I believe the quote is I think he's done. Conservative 72 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:41,160 Speaker 2: radio host Rob Kendall declared, you're saying that he's lost 73 00:03:41,160 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 2: credibility not only with Trump but also the Indiana legislature. 74 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:48,480 Speaker 2: Braun writes checks with his mouth, but his actions can't cash. 75 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:51,440 Speaker 2: Braun just doesn't have any juice in the state house. 76 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:52,360 Speaker 2: That is from you. 77 00:03:53,160 --> 00:03:55,520 Speaker 1: Look, that's what you said after what we saw with 78 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:58,320 Speaker 1: property tax, not even just provably but basically everything right. 79 00:03:58,760 --> 00:04:01,040 Speaker 1: Would that be an accurate state to say he doesn't 80 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:05,240 Speaker 1: have the ability to move the legislature to the positions 81 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:07,640 Speaker 1: he wants. I mean, he's been at this for six months. 82 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:10,640 Speaker 1: He was on property taxes for essentially a year and 83 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:13,120 Speaker 1: a half. If you think he was the nominee in 84 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:18,800 Speaker 1: May and the election was was well, he started running 85 00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:20,720 Speaker 1: for governor really a year and a half. He was 86 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:23,160 Speaker 1: always the front runner. He basically, let's just give him 87 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 1: a year. Let's just say he had a year campaigning 88 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:28,520 Speaker 1: as governor. Although part of the problem with him is 89 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:31,160 Speaker 1: he didn't mention property taxes until he really wanted our support. 90 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:33,359 Speaker 1: But you get what I'm saying, right, he had a 91 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:34,360 Speaker 1: ton of time to move the. 92 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:37,160 Speaker 2: He had an original plan, couldn't get that done. 93 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:40,200 Speaker 1: Right, and so he I think that's just an obvious 94 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:43,720 Speaker 1: statement to say they don't. You can't move them. They 95 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:47,280 Speaker 1: don't whether respect you or like you or whatever it is, 96 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:48,720 Speaker 1: they're just not listening to you. 97 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:53,120 Speaker 2: Well, they did go to Broun's office and ask for 98 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:53,880 Speaker 2: their quote. 99 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:57,680 Speaker 1: I love this that it appears because here's how it's written. 100 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:00,600 Speaker 1: In a statement, A spokesman for Broun firmly pushed back 101 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:04,479 Speaker 1: against this narrative, saying the quote fake news. Media have 102 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:08,080 Speaker 1: been wrong about Braun in the past. Okay, so now 103 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:11,640 Speaker 1: I guess even though they begged for my support, brought 104 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:15,039 Speaker 1: me over to State Party had the meeting there, they 105 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:17,560 Speaker 1: made the pitch to me. They were begging for my 106 00:05:17,680 --> 00:05:20,719 Speaker 1: support last summer. Now does this sound familiar? 107 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:21,799 Speaker 2: Casey News? 108 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:25,760 Speaker 1: Somebody else begging for my support wouldn't believe they wouldn't 109 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:28,240 Speaker 1: be there without me. And then once you hold them 110 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:30,800 Speaker 1: accountable for the things they've promised and they don't deliver on, 111 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:33,520 Speaker 1: you're the problem. I'm the problem, that's right. So the 112 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:36,320 Speaker 1: same people who were begging for my support at state 113 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:40,480 Speaker 1: party last year, now suddenly I'm fake news because I'm 114 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:42,560 Speaker 1: telling you the obvious that's going on here. 115 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:45,680 Speaker 2: The big problem here is that Braun is over a barrel. 116 00:05:45,839 --> 00:05:49,799 Speaker 2: And that's the same thing that former Representative Mike Murphy said, 117 00:05:50,200 --> 00:05:54,480 Speaker 2: because if you alienate Trump, you risk losing federal dollars 118 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:55,880 Speaker 2: for the state of Indiana. 119 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:57,880 Speaker 1: But you got to call his bluff on that, and 120 00:05:57,960 --> 00:06:01,080 Speaker 1: I think that's where the general assemblies at. You're saying, 121 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:05,000 Speaker 1: mister President, that a state that has been very good 122 00:06:05,080 --> 00:06:09,880 Speaker 1: to you. You have talked glowingly about Indiana. It is 123 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:13,080 Speaker 1: a red state. It does put seven of our nine 124 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:17,320 Speaker 1: representatives in that into Congress on your side. It does 125 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:20,799 Speaker 1: put our two US senators mostly Now Banks is twenty 126 00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:25,599 Speaker 1: four to seven on your side, Young mostly on most things. 127 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:29,320 Speaker 1: On his side, you're telling us that you are going 128 00:06:29,400 --> 00:06:31,599 Speaker 1: to be publicly admit you're that petty that if we 129 00:06:31,640 --> 00:06:35,440 Speaker 1: don't do this one thing, that you're going to poll federal. 130 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:38,800 Speaker 1: I would call his bluff on that every day of 131 00:06:38,839 --> 00:06:41,600 Speaker 1: the week, Casey, because I don't believe for a second, 132 00:06:41,760 --> 00:06:46,560 Speaker 1: because it shows you who Trump is. Like the Indiana 133 00:06:46,640 --> 00:06:50,640 Speaker 1: politicians the General Assembly, they are making a decision based 134 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:53,719 Speaker 1: on what they are hearing from their constituents. Trust me, 135 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:57,560 Speaker 1: if their constituents were coming out in favor of this 136 00:06:57,680 --> 00:07:01,200 Speaker 1: in droves, they would do it. The support is not 137 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:05,080 Speaker 1: there for this, and that's why they're acting the way 138 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:05,640 Speaker 1: they're acting. 139 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:10,280 Speaker 2: So you called it a miscalculation. Kendall criticized Braun, saying 140 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:12,680 Speaker 2: people see through it. They see it as bailing the 141 00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:15,880 Speaker 2: Republicans out for bad governance, which is exactly. 142 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:17,560 Speaker 1: What it is. And Nikki Kelly is going to join 143 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:19,040 Speaker 1: us next and we're going to talk to you about this. 144 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:23,960 Speaker 1: It is fascinating that all of these whether it's the Instagram, 145 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:27,080 Speaker 1: the Twitter people, the DC draino guys people don't live 146 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:29,600 Speaker 1: here who keep threatening we're going to primary this parace. 147 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:31,240 Speaker 2: I keep saying it's Mike Pence's fault. 148 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:34,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, I gonna assure you Mike Pences. As much as 149 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:36,760 Speaker 1: I would love to blame anything on Mike Pence, Mike Pence, 150 00:07:36,840 --> 00:07:40,480 Speaker 1: nobody cares about him anymore, Nobody thinks about him, nobody's 151 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:43,440 Speaker 1: listening to him. He doesn't have any juice in this state. 152 00:07:43,600 --> 00:07:45,400 Speaker 1: It has nothing to do with it. I mean, it's 153 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:48,800 Speaker 1: a simple thing. It is that the people who are 154 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:52,560 Speaker 1: for it, while they may be super passionate, are definitely 155 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:54,800 Speaker 1: not a majority. A lot of them don't live in 156 00:07:54,840 --> 00:07:57,600 Speaker 1: their districts. In most cases, most of these people, because 157 00:07:57,600 --> 00:07:59,480 Speaker 1: there aren't enough of them, don't live in their district. 158 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:02,480 Speaker 1: And those people who are for it, a lot of 159 00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:04,200 Speaker 1: them are just like, well, you know whatever, it's like 160 00:08:04,280 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 1: number nine on my list. Can we please just fix 161 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:08,720 Speaker 1: the property tax or can we please fix the utility bills? 162 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:15,400 Speaker 1: But what's fascinating is that instead of saying, hey, District one, 163 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:20,080 Speaker 1: which is the Chicago district which Frank Murvan is the congressman, 164 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:23,360 Speaker 1: why don't we just put all our resources this year 165 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:26,440 Speaker 1: into that district and win it. DC Draino or any 166 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:30,640 Speaker 1: of the rest of these Twitter people, it's within five 167 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:33,320 Speaker 1: to seven points. All you gotta do is basically flip 168 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:35,800 Speaker 1: three and a half percent of the voters and you win. 169 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:38,360 Speaker 2: Just run a good campaign up there and you'll have 170 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:39,040 Speaker 2: eight to one. 171 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:42,960 Speaker 1: Or here's an idea and a novel concept. Just govern 172 00:08:43,040 --> 00:08:45,040 Speaker 1: better and people will want to vote for you. Right, 173 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:47,760 Speaker 1: But that like, they can't do that, and so instead 174 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:51,960 Speaker 1: they're looking for this bailout of changing these maps, which, 175 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:53,840 Speaker 1: as I've said from the beginning, all you're doing if 176 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:57,000 Speaker 1: you change these maps is you're bailing out bad Republican governance. 177 00:08:57,120 --> 00:08:59,400 Speaker 1: And what's fascinating to me is when you see the video, 178 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:04,319 Speaker 1: the videos and the pictures of the thirty ish people 179 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:07,680 Speaker 1: that showed up that rally, it's the same faces of 180 00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:09,840 Speaker 1: many of the people who are screaming about how what 181 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:14,520 Speaker 1: a bad job the Republicans do, like people who have 182 00:09:14,559 --> 00:09:17,040 Speaker 1: been the most vocal about it. And there you are again, 183 00:09:17,760 --> 00:09:21,120 Speaker 1: there you are again, being totally like behind these people, 184 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:24,760 Speaker 1: subservient to them, cheerleading for them. What do they do 185 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:25,320 Speaker 1: for you? 186 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:29,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting. So the governor did not please people 187 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:33,560 Speaker 2: with the property tax reform bill, so much so that 188 00:09:33,640 --> 00:09:36,680 Speaker 2: a group has gone to the Governor's mansion to meet 189 00:09:36,679 --> 00:09:38,920 Speaker 2: with him, where they were told he had an acep 190 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:41,200 Speaker 2: his sleeve. And those are the same people that are 191 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:43,680 Speaker 2: showing up for the redistricting rally. 192 00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:46,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's and I've told them this, and of course 193 00:09:46,400 --> 00:09:48,240 Speaker 1: most of them just cut off communication with me because 194 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:49,600 Speaker 1: they don't want to hear it. They want to they 195 00:09:49,640 --> 00:09:52,160 Speaker 1: want to be affirmed in whatever they're doing. I said, 196 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:56,400 Speaker 1: you are bailing him out. No, we're not. Yeah you are. 197 00:09:56,760 --> 00:10:00,480 Speaker 1: You need to punish Braun. Braun lied to everyone. You 198 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:05,119 Speaker 1: can say whatever you want about Rod Bray or Baldwin 199 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:06,680 Speaker 1: or any of the rest of these guys. They're not 200 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:09,920 Speaker 1: good guys, but they weren't the ones out there promising 201 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:12,880 Speaker 1: to do something for you. You can dislike them because 202 00:10:12,920 --> 00:10:15,280 Speaker 1: of their views, but at no point was Rod Bray 203 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:19,439 Speaker 1: like Bingo Bron's property tax plan will do this. No, 204 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:21,960 Speaker 1: Braun was the one who made that deal. And when 205 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:25,640 Speaker 1: you bail out liars of which Braun is, and people 206 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:27,920 Speaker 1: who will turn on you and stab you in the 207 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:32,080 Speaker 1: back in an instant for whatever the politically expedient thing 208 00:10:32,120 --> 00:10:34,640 Speaker 1: of the moment is, you're just going to keep getting 209 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:37,319 Speaker 1: the same thing. And we've seen this time and time again. 210 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:41,679 Speaker 1: With the Republican base where that's awful. I can't believe 211 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:44,040 Speaker 1: they did that. That's it. We're done with them. And 212 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:46,920 Speaker 1: then they're at keep keep. 213 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:50,920 Speaker 2: So you have a Republican state Senator Aaron Freeman who said, 214 00:10:50,960 --> 00:10:53,520 Speaker 2: as long as his schedule permits, he's going to visit 215 00:10:53,559 --> 00:10:56,080 Speaker 2: the White House the first week in December to discuss 216 00:10:56,160 --> 00:10:59,960 Speaker 2: redistricting with the President. And you've got other state senators 217 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:02,080 Speaker 2: confirming that they've also been invited. 218 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:04,679 Speaker 1: One thing nobody's talking about at this point. You are 219 00:11:04,760 --> 00:11:07,920 Speaker 1: so late in the game, and it's really disrespectful actually 220 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:10,600 Speaker 1: what they're doing at this point. They try to present 221 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:13,720 Speaker 1: it as oh, we'll just change some lines on the 222 00:11:13,760 --> 00:11:17,520 Speaker 1: map and it'll be great. You're going to cause mass 223 00:11:17,880 --> 00:11:22,559 Speaker 1: chaos and turmoil with your local elected officials. It's the 224 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:25,080 Speaker 1: equivalent of taking a dump in somebody's living room and going, 225 00:11:25,080 --> 00:11:27,240 Speaker 1: somebody better clean that up. Well, I mean, that's what 226 00:11:27,280 --> 00:11:30,160 Speaker 1: the General Assembly does all the time. And these Congress 227 00:11:30,160 --> 00:11:32,120 Speaker 1: people they don't care at all about it. But these 228 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:36,200 Speaker 1: local election clerks and poll workers and precinct people and 229 00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:40,120 Speaker 1: all of this stuffy. This takes a long time to 230 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:43,760 Speaker 1: get this stuff together, and the filing starts in January, 231 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:45,640 Speaker 1: and you're telling me in the middle of December you're 232 00:11:45,640 --> 00:11:47,240 Speaker 1: just going to hand this to them and go, hey, 233 00:11:47,280 --> 00:11:48,000 Speaker 1: make that work. Man. 234 00:11:48,160 --> 00:11:50,040 Speaker 2: I really do have to wonder, though. These people have 235 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:53,880 Speaker 2: been invited to the White House, and if I doubt 236 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:56,000 Speaker 2: they'll be in the Oval Office, They'll be somewhere and 237 00:11:56,360 --> 00:11:58,120 Speaker 2: Donald Trump's going to walk in. You go through that 238 00:11:58,320 --> 00:12:00,360 Speaker 2: entire process, you go through all the secure already, you 239 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:02,240 Speaker 2: pull up to the White House. I mean, it's impressive. 240 00:12:02,840 --> 00:12:06,120 Speaker 2: Are they really going to have the conviction? Like after 241 00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:09,480 Speaker 2: going through that whole process and meeting with the President 242 00:12:09,520 --> 00:12:11,199 Speaker 2: and he looks you in the eye and he says, 243 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:14,360 Speaker 2: I need you to redistrict change your mind? Are you 244 00:12:14,400 --> 00:12:17,679 Speaker 2: going to come back to Indiana and go, yeah, okay, 245 00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:18,040 Speaker 2: you know. 246 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:19,120 Speaker 1: Oh I would? I would? 247 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:20,200 Speaker 2: You would? 248 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:21,559 Speaker 1: I would tell him right to his face. 249 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:22,800 Speaker 2: Would you? 250 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:23,800 Speaker 1: You wouldn't be you. 251 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:27,880 Speaker 2: Wouldn't be intimidated, you wouldn't be swayed, you wouldn't be impressed, 252 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:31,360 Speaker 2: you wouldn't be whined and dined. How many years have 253 00:12:31,400 --> 00:12:35,440 Speaker 2: we we're talking about politicians though, rob and conviction? 254 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:38,240 Speaker 1: Well, right, but I'm saying no, I don't doubt that. 255 00:12:38,280 --> 00:12:40,920 Speaker 1: But I mean Baldwin's going. I think he's already said 256 00:12:40,920 --> 00:12:43,199 Speaker 1: he's on board. What good does he do you? I mean, 257 00:12:43,679 --> 00:12:45,760 Speaker 1: Freeman would I don't know if he's announced he's on 258 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:47,240 Speaker 1: board or not, but I always thought he would do 259 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:50,720 Speaker 1: whatever Trump tells him to do. I want to, well, 260 00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:53,400 Speaker 1: like if Bray goes, I want to see what happens 261 00:12:53,440 --> 00:12:55,960 Speaker 1: out of out of that. But it's too it's it 262 00:12:56,080 --> 00:12:58,040 Speaker 1: is too late at this point. There's I don't even 263 00:12:58,080 --> 00:13:01,120 Speaker 1: know how you'd unless you just change which it's Indiana, 264 00:13:01,160 --> 00:13:03,160 Speaker 1: so who knows what they'll do unless you change the 265 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:06,120 Speaker 1: election day at this point, which they've done that before 266 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:10,160 Speaker 1: during COVID when Holk them just walked out there. It's 267 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:13,200 Speaker 1: a mess. It's ridiculous. It's not what people want their 268 00:13:13,240 --> 00:13:16,520 Speaker 1: government focused on. They want them fixing these issues that 269 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:21,079 Speaker 1: are affordability of life. And every second you spend on 270 00:13:21,160 --> 00:13:24,160 Speaker 1: this stupid thing that does nothing but help Trump and 271 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:28,360 Speaker 1: bail out bad Republican governance is a time taken away 272 00:13:28,360 --> 00:13:30,160 Speaker 1: from fixing the things that matter to people. 273 00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:32,360 Speaker 2: Well, we've got Nicky Kelly, who's going to join us 274 00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:36,400 Speaker 2: next we'll continue this conversation. Plus we've got some new 275 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:38,880 Speaker 2: polling on Donald Trump. That we're going to get to. 276 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:43,800 Speaker 2: It's Kenvil and Casey. It's ninety three WIBC. I'm going 277 00:13:43,880 --> 00:13:49,520 Speaker 2: to Rid Messsel for help in the state of flee. 278 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:56,680 Speaker 1: So much going on with Indiana politics and government, and well, 279 00:13:56,800 --> 00:13:59,840 Speaker 1: so much of it is the governor and the PROTEI 280 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:01,800 Speaker 1: the Senate going at and let's get the latest on 281 00:14:01,880 --> 00:14:05,319 Speaker 1: what's going on with redistricting Mike Bron Rod Bray in 282 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:07,240 Speaker 1: the whole bunch. More to do that. We go to 283 00:14:07,280 --> 00:14:09,600 Speaker 1: one of the best in all of Indiana politics and 284 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:12,520 Speaker 1: government when it comes to covering the news. Nikki Kelly 285 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:15,640 Speaker 1: from the Indiana Capitol Chronicle joins us. Now, Nikki Kelly, Hello, 286 00:14:16,679 --> 00:14:20,360 Speaker 1: good morning. So you've been at this what like twenty 287 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:23,440 Speaker 1: five years now, right covering Indiana politics and government, if 288 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:27,520 Speaker 1: not longer. Have you ever seen anything like what's going 289 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:29,840 Speaker 1: on with the governor. It seems like he's trying to 290 00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:32,520 Speaker 1: go to Rod Bray to some sort of public spat. 291 00:14:32,600 --> 00:14:33,760 Speaker 1: Have you ever seen anything. 292 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:36,720 Speaker 3: Like this any I think the governor's using the one 293 00:14:36,840 --> 00:14:41,360 Speaker 3: tool he has at his disposal, which is the bully pulpit, 294 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:45,800 Speaker 3: and trying to kind of shame or scare Rod Bray 295 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:49,600 Speaker 3: into changing his mind, And it's not just Rod Bray's mind. 296 00:14:49,760 --> 00:14:53,760 Speaker 3: I mean, he didn't unilaterally say we're not coming in. 297 00:14:54,520 --> 00:14:57,200 Speaker 3: I think we saw on a vote this week that 298 00:14:57,360 --> 00:14:59,960 Speaker 3: was largely about timing, but it gave you an indian 299 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:04,080 Speaker 3: cation of where people stand on redistricting. That that caucus 300 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:07,800 Speaker 3: is just hopelessly deadlocked. You know, they were at like 301 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:11,040 Speaker 3: nineteen nineteen. There were a few absences, so let's say 302 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:15,600 Speaker 3: twenty twenty. So it's not just Rod Bray alone who's 303 00:15:15,640 --> 00:15:16,800 Speaker 3: making this decision. 304 00:15:17,280 --> 00:15:19,920 Speaker 1: Do you have a theory on like, does did Braun 305 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:22,200 Speaker 1: think like six months ago, did Braun think, oh, we'll 306 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:25,280 Speaker 1: get him, it's no problem. I mean, like, I don't 307 00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:29,720 Speaker 1: understand why he took this approach unless he thought, oh, 308 00:15:29,760 --> 00:15:31,360 Speaker 1: we'll eventually we'll win them over. 309 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:34,960 Speaker 3: I think he did believe that. I think he thought, 310 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:37,880 Speaker 3: you know, he was trying to show deference to the legislature. 311 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:39,880 Speaker 3: He has to say, you know, he's only in the 312 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:43,600 Speaker 3: second year, coming up his second legislative session. He didn't 313 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:47,080 Speaker 3: want to burn bridges, and he thought, we'll give them 314 00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:49,920 Speaker 3: time to come to come to this. We'll let the 315 00:15:50,640 --> 00:15:53,120 Speaker 3: you know, JD Vance come in and talk to them. 316 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:57,000 Speaker 3: And I think they're probably surprised that they haven't been 317 00:15:57,040 --> 00:16:01,240 Speaker 3: able to swing those final votes they need. And eventually, 318 00:16:01,880 --> 00:16:04,800 Speaker 3: you know, time was running out, and so the governor 319 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:08,080 Speaker 3: called the special session to try to put more pressure 320 00:16:08,120 --> 00:16:08,480 Speaker 3: on them. 321 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:12,160 Speaker 1: So he has used the word compel. You've been around 322 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:14,560 Speaker 1: covering at a high level, and he had a politics 323 00:16:14,560 --> 00:16:17,200 Speaker 1: and government for a very long time. What can he 324 00:16:17,320 --> 00:16:19,520 Speaker 1: do to compel the Senate to return? 325 00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:23,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, So the word compel is used in some House 326 00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:28,960 Speaker 3: and Senate rules to compel you know, a quorum, and 327 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:33,360 Speaker 3: it's usually comes about when there's a caucus who is 328 00:16:33,400 --> 00:16:37,760 Speaker 3: refusing to come in to deny the quorum. For instance, 329 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:40,560 Speaker 3: ten years ago or whatever it was, when House Democrats 330 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:45,160 Speaker 3: fled to Illinois, they tried to compel them by finding them. 331 00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:50,000 Speaker 3: And there is an anti bolting statute that you know, 332 00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:53,120 Speaker 3: you they can be fined a civil penalty. There was 333 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:57,320 Speaker 3: talk back then about sending the cops after them to 334 00:16:57,360 --> 00:17:00,560 Speaker 3: bring them in. The doorkeepers, I think in the ass 335 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:03,480 Speaker 3: I found an old, old book maybe in the nineteen 336 00:17:03,560 --> 00:17:08,080 Speaker 3: hundreds where doorkeepers like would round them up out of 337 00:17:08,119 --> 00:17:10,639 Speaker 3: the Statehouse and bring them and like drag them in. 338 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:13,720 Speaker 3: But that's why they started like leaving town and going 339 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:17,600 Speaker 3: to Illinois, right, because your police can't go over that line. However, 340 00:17:17,760 --> 00:17:20,119 Speaker 3: all those things that I'm talking about are kind of 341 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:24,680 Speaker 3: within the legislature, like this is how you compel your 342 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:29,480 Speaker 3: own members to come. I haven't really found very many 343 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:34,320 Speaker 3: examples of any of how a governor can compel them 344 00:17:34,359 --> 00:17:39,080 Speaker 3: to come. So they say they're researching it, and I 345 00:17:39,119 --> 00:17:40,440 Speaker 3: guess we'll find out soon. 346 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:44,359 Speaker 1: Nikki Kelly from the Indiana Capitol Chronicle is our guest, 347 00:17:44,560 --> 00:17:48,199 Speaker 1: do you have a theory or no? How close they 348 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:50,040 Speaker 1: actually are. I mean, they got to get to twenty five, 349 00:17:50,119 --> 00:17:52,640 Speaker 1: it would seem based on that vote they've got nineteen. 350 00:17:52,800 --> 00:17:53,960 Speaker 1: Is that sort of the number? 351 00:17:55,200 --> 00:17:59,000 Speaker 3: Yeah? I think. I think the governor told some TD 352 00:17:59,119 --> 00:18:02,720 Speaker 3: stations yesterday that they thought they had twenty one when 353 00:18:02,800 --> 00:18:05,439 Speaker 3: kind of push comes to shove from some of the lawmakers. 354 00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:10,920 Speaker 3: But that's still, you know, several short, so they would 355 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:14,680 Speaker 3: need at least twenty five if not a single person 356 00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:17,760 Speaker 3: was missing, you know, absent that day, then that the 357 00:18:17,840 --> 00:18:20,320 Speaker 3: lieutenant governor could break a tie, or they would need 358 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:21,119 Speaker 3: twenty six. 359 00:18:21,800 --> 00:18:25,320 Speaker 2: He spoke of long term political consequences. What do you 360 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:26,080 Speaker 2: what does he mean? 361 00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:30,480 Speaker 3: I mean, I'm assuming he means losing their seat and 362 00:18:30,520 --> 00:18:34,439 Speaker 3: not being able to move up in the political world 363 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:38,560 Speaker 3: if they want other offices in the in their mind. 364 00:18:38,800 --> 00:18:41,440 Speaker 3: I kind of think it's funny we're talking about we're 365 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:44,680 Speaker 3: going to primary a bunch of these senators. I mean, 366 00:18:44,760 --> 00:18:48,000 Speaker 3: you know, you're talking twenty of them at least, right right, 367 00:18:48,160 --> 00:18:51,720 Speaker 3: and so not all of them are up this session. 368 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:55,840 Speaker 3: So but I said to someone yesterday, they're probably going 369 00:18:55,920 --> 00:18:59,399 Speaker 3: to spend more money to you know, knock off a 370 00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:03,760 Speaker 3: couple Senate state senators. Then then if they would just 371 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:08,439 Speaker 3: plow ten million dollars in the congressional District one and 372 00:19:08,520 --> 00:19:10,760 Speaker 3: win it. On the maps we have, you know, they 373 00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:13,960 Speaker 3: the winner last time, Frank Raban only have fifty four 374 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:16,879 Speaker 3: percent of the vote. So it's not out of the 375 00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:20,560 Speaker 3: realm that they could get that district, you know, the 376 00:19:20,560 --> 00:19:21,560 Speaker 3: good old fashioned way. 377 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:24,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's the thing, all right. In non 378 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:26,520 Speaker 1: redistricting news, you had an article and this hadn't got 379 00:19:26,560 --> 00:19:29,120 Speaker 1: a lot of attention, I think because of the governor's 380 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:32,040 Speaker 1: spat with Rod Brays getting Trump obviously being involved getting 381 00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:34,720 Speaker 1: so much attention. But the National Guard here in Indiana 382 00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:37,119 Speaker 1: is going to Washington, d C. What are they doing? 383 00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:42,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, This is a continuation of what President Trump did 384 00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:44,919 Speaker 3: when they, you know, put all the police in the 385 00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:48,240 Speaker 3: guard in DC to try to bring down the crime rate. 386 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:53,640 Speaker 3: So they're going to help, you know, keep property crime 387 00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:57,560 Speaker 3: and civil assaults and things like that down. It's just 388 00:19:57,680 --> 00:20:01,199 Speaker 3: to last about four months, and for the Guard it 389 00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:04,360 Speaker 3: will be over the holidays, which you know, no one 390 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:08,760 Speaker 3: likes to miss Thanksgiving and Christmas, you know, with their family. 391 00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:11,800 Speaker 3: But that looks like about three hundred guardsmen will be 392 00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:13,480 Speaker 3: doing that one. 393 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:17,199 Speaker 1: Final issue before we let you off into the blue yonder. 394 00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:19,640 Speaker 1: You wrote a pinion piece and I think I don't 395 00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:21,639 Speaker 1: think we've had a chance to talk since you wrote it, 396 00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:25,240 Speaker 1: and it's look, this sounds like very in the weeds, 397 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:29,000 Speaker 1: like nerd politics stuff, but it's actually a huge deal 398 00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:32,919 Speaker 1: because these groups have huge influence and sway over some 399 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:36,439 Speaker 1: people's livelihoods and how things get done. You were talking 400 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:40,399 Speaker 1: about the idea of reforming these various boards and commissions 401 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:41,919 Speaker 1: in state government. Tell us about it. 402 00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:44,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, The point I was trying to make is there 403 00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:49,520 Speaker 3: are some topics that are perennial here in the legislature, 404 00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:51,480 Speaker 3: and I think that I've gone through the boards and 405 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:56,680 Speaker 3: commissions fights three times now where various either the governor 406 00:20:56,960 --> 00:21:00,520 Speaker 3: or lawmakers have winnowed in and said, we got up. 407 00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:02,960 Speaker 3: We have too many of these boards and commissions, and 408 00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:06,080 Speaker 3: yet we still create ones every year, and every time 409 00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:09,159 Speaker 3: we try to get rid of them, there are huge, 410 00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:13,000 Speaker 3: you know fights because obviously every one of those boards 411 00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:18,080 Speaker 3: has people who care about that topic very deeply, and 412 00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:20,920 Speaker 3: so they feel the need for it, and so then 413 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:23,640 Speaker 3: they try to protect it, and they come and they 414 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:26,120 Speaker 3: speak at every hearing and they you know, work all 415 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:29,160 Speaker 3: the channels to try to keep that board. So we're 416 00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:32,000 Speaker 3: we're gearing up for another one of those fights to 417 00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:35,359 Speaker 3: try to eliminate some boards and commissions. And you know, 418 00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:37,560 Speaker 3: they don't they don't spend much money in the grand 419 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:42,600 Speaker 3: scheme of the government, but you know they have proliferated. 420 00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:44,880 Speaker 3: Back when Mitch Daniels was governor, there were more than 421 00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:48,000 Speaker 3: three hundred of them. Now we're down to about two fifty. 422 00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:50,920 Speaker 3: So I mean, I guess that's progress. 423 00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:55,160 Speaker 2: Can you tell our listeners how much that is costing? Uh? 424 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:58,360 Speaker 3: You know, in the there was a summer study committee 425 00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:00,679 Speaker 3: on it and they came up with about seven hundred 426 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:05,119 Speaker 3: thousand dollars a year. They I think they believe that's 427 00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:08,720 Speaker 3: probably on the conservative end because they were having trouble, 428 00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:13,080 Speaker 3: you know, figuring out how often some of the meet 429 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:15,280 Speaker 3: and things like that. Most of it is for per 430 00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:19,399 Speaker 3: diem and mileage. When these people come in, you know, 431 00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:21,520 Speaker 3: they don't get a salary, but they get a daily 432 00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:25,640 Speaker 3: kind of little check, and then also some staff time. 433 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:30,119 Speaker 3: There's a lot of staff time behind those those fortune commissions. 434 00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:31,800 Speaker 1: Okay, before I let you go, Nikki Kelly from the 435 00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:34,000 Speaker 1: Indiana Capitol Chronicle, we will not get to talk to 436 00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:36,119 Speaker 1: you next week Thursday, as you're allotted day and that 437 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:37,960 Speaker 1: is of course Thanksgiving, So we will talk to you 438 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:40,040 Speaker 1: in two weeks. When we talk of two weeks, will 439 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:43,240 Speaker 1: there's still be everybody meeting on January fifth? Or will 440 00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:46,000 Speaker 1: there be some daylight or breakthrough or whatever you want 441 00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:49,600 Speaker 1: to call it on the governor's quest for the meeting 442 00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:50,399 Speaker 1: on redistricting? 443 00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:54,560 Speaker 3: Oh gosh, I mean, I think Todd Houson is kind 444 00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:56,520 Speaker 3: of the person we need to be watching right now 445 00:22:56,560 --> 00:23:00,840 Speaker 3: because he could change the tenor center of this fight 446 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:05,040 Speaker 3: by just you know, putting on the schedule that they're 447 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:07,280 Speaker 3: coming in at one o'clock on the first. They could 448 00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:10,560 Speaker 3: start hearings on a bill. They could pass that thing 449 00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:13,040 Speaker 3: and then put all the pressure on the Senate, but 450 00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:15,800 Speaker 3: that is not the route so far that the speaker 451 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:16,400 Speaker 3: is taking. 452 00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:19,280 Speaker 1: Very good find her at Indiana Capitol Chronicle dot com. 453 00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:20,360 Speaker 1: Nikki Kelly, thank. 454 00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:21,600 Speaker 3: You, thank you. 455 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:24,720 Speaker 2: It's Kennel and Casey on ninety three WIBC. 456 00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:32,439 Speaker 1: Okay, So there's some new polling out on Trump and 457 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:33,080 Speaker 1: it's not great. 458 00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:36,520 Speaker 2: Yeah. It says his approval rating has fallen to thirty 459 00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:38,960 Speaker 2: eight percent, which is the lowest of his second term. 460 00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:41,000 Speaker 2: This is a Reuter's IPSOS poll. 461 00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:43,680 Speaker 1: Okay, So we had talked about, you know, we always 462 00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:46,480 Speaker 1: say this with polling. Polling is just a snapshot of 463 00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:48,720 Speaker 1: a moment in time. You put it together. It's like 464 00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:51,520 Speaker 1: a flip book, like making a cartoon, right, and that 465 00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:54,040 Speaker 1: kind of gives you an idea scene, you know, over 466 00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:57,800 Speaker 1: you know, months of information. And what we have consistently 467 00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:00,840 Speaker 1: seen in the months of information in the flip book 468 00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:07,439 Speaker 1: is that Trump has really was was stable sort of 469 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:10,280 Speaker 1: between forty and forty two percent. Now you're seeing a 470 00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:12,720 Speaker 1: lot more of these poles that have him below forty percent, 471 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:14,919 Speaker 1: and you're starting to see in that flip book of 472 00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:19,080 Speaker 1: consistent polling picture that it's not. People are fewer and 473 00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:21,320 Speaker 1: fewer people are happy what the job Trump is doing. 474 00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:25,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, so the decline is driven by people's dissatisfaction with 475 00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:28,680 Speaker 2: the high cost of living and also his handling of 476 00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:32,960 Speaker 2: the Epstein investigation. Only twenty six percent of Americans approve 477 00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:37,600 Speaker 2: of his handling of everyday expenses. Sixty five disapprove, and 478 00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:39,560 Speaker 2: that includes one third of Republicans. 479 00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:42,359 Speaker 1: Your cameras froze, by the way, min is, but you 480 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:44,199 Speaker 1: know that at least you're not doing anything embarrassing on 481 00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:46,120 Speaker 1: the shot, So we'll try to fix that during the break. 482 00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:47,440 Speaker 1: By the way, you can, I guess you can watch 483 00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:49,600 Speaker 1: me right now. You notice my camera's fine? Oh here, 484 00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:52,600 Speaker 1: just put kenl Casey here. 485 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:54,320 Speaker 2: You're sitting up in a higher chair. You're looking at 486 00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:54,760 Speaker 2: a high chair. 487 00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:56,840 Speaker 1: Well, I don't know what, like, there's just random chairs 488 00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:58,879 Speaker 1: that show up here. And this place is such a 489 00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:01,640 Speaker 1: mess because we're getting ready to leave. We talk about 490 00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:03,160 Speaker 1: that here in a little bit off Yeah, well if 491 00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:04,679 Speaker 1: you want, but uh, anyway, I just want to let 492 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:07,399 Speaker 1: you know you're frozen and you're in a horribly embarrassing pose. 493 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:11,320 Speaker 2: I really just kidding. Uh is it a really bad shot? 494 00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:15,720 Speaker 1: No, it's fine, and then fix that, Kevin, break something. Anyway. 495 00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:18,480 Speaker 1: The point of all this with the polling is that 496 00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:23,840 Speaker 1: what is Trump doing to address the issue. The issue 497 00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:27,840 Speaker 1: is affordability of living. The issue is the cost of everything. 498 00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:29,959 Speaker 1: And we talked about this so often that like the 499 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:31,920 Speaker 1: border stuff is great. He's doing a phenomenal job with 500 00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:34,919 Speaker 1: the border, border security, national security, all those appear to 501 00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:38,240 Speaker 1: be fine, Like he's getting good grades on those. But 502 00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:41,639 Speaker 1: those are sort of the expectation, right if you go 503 00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:44,080 Speaker 1: to a restaurant, a sit down place, any sort of 504 00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:47,840 Speaker 1: you know, decency, there's a level of service you expect 505 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:49,959 Speaker 1: and you pay, you know, you pay out sort of 506 00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:54,040 Speaker 1: on that. It's when the service goes above board that 507 00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:56,280 Speaker 1: you know, you tip a little more, you know, maybe 508 00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:59,320 Speaker 1: make the recommendation to a friend or whatever. Yeah, Kevi, 509 00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:01,639 Speaker 1: just whack you off the camera all together. You're done. 510 00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:02,480 Speaker 1: It's just me now. 511 00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:05,600 Speaker 2: Oh really, I couldn't look at it before it it 512 00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:08,080 Speaker 2: was bad ouch now. 513 00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:14,040 Speaker 1: And so with the spicy with Trump, he's doing the 514 00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:18,560 Speaker 1: basics right, which Biden wasn't doing, which is why Biden's 515 00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:21,280 Speaker 1: numbers were so low and why he was pulling so bad. 516 00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:23,040 Speaker 1: They had to get him out of the race. Trump 517 00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:27,159 Speaker 1: is doing the basics, okay, But the issue, the issue, 518 00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:29,480 Speaker 1: which is the food, right, the quality of the food, 519 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:33,400 Speaker 1: he's not addressing, which is cost of living and affordability 520 00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:35,320 Speaker 1: and inflation. He's not doing anything on that right. 521 00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:39,320 Speaker 2: Well, inflation remains elevated. You've got consumer prices up three percent, 522 00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:44,280 Speaker 2: and the tariff heavy economy strategy. It's it's seen by 523 00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:47,639 Speaker 2: a lot of people as contributing to the higher prices. 524 00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:51,040 Speaker 2: And again it's all about the prices and how it 525 00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:54,040 Speaker 2: affects you in your daily life on a daily basis, 526 00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:56,000 Speaker 2: and people are furious when you go out and you 527 00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:59,040 Speaker 2: spend money and everything costs so much, especially at the 528 00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:01,480 Speaker 2: grocery store. And we're going to get into that much later. 529 00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:06,439 Speaker 2: It's aggravating. So what you have. He started his second 530 00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:09,560 Speaker 2: term with a forty seven percent approval rating and now 531 00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:11,000 Speaker 2: it's down to thirty eight percent. 532 00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:13,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, So this because there's oh, the left land wing media, 533 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:15,880 Speaker 1: the polling, da da, da da. So well, the same 534 00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:19,120 Speaker 1: people had him at forty seven when he started, right. 535 00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:21,359 Speaker 1: So the flip book that we talk about, you're seeing 536 00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:24,680 Speaker 1: the downward slide on the flip book and the problem 537 00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:26,240 Speaker 1: with Trump. It's in a weird way. It's sort of 538 00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:29,080 Speaker 1: similar to Braun with the failures. It's not that he 539 00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:31,800 Speaker 1: didn't get them done or isn't getting them done. It's 540 00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:34,760 Speaker 1: that he promised to get them done. And you can't 541 00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:37,240 Speaker 1: run around saying elect me and I'll solve the war 542 00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:39,680 Speaker 1: in Ukraine in twenty four hours and then then you don't, 543 00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:41,560 Speaker 1: you know, eleven months later or ten months later, not 544 00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:41,960 Speaker 1: have it done. 545 00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:44,480 Speaker 2: Hey, you always have to set those expectations low and 546 00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:45,840 Speaker 2: then pass them you do. 547 00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:48,119 Speaker 1: And the biggest problem for Trump is he doesn't have 548 00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:50,399 Speaker 1: a policy proposal that will fix them. It's not that 549 00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:53,080 Speaker 1: he's proposing something and oh gosh, darn it, I just 550 00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:56,680 Speaker 1: can't get it passed. He doesn't have any policy proposals 551 00:27:57,000 --> 00:28:00,000 Speaker 1: that will fix the inflation and the cost of living issue, 552 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:02,679 Speaker 1: because he's all in on printing money, he's all on 553 00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:05,600 Speaker 1: on deficited spending, he's all in increasing the national debt 554 00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:07,879 Speaker 1: over time, he's all in on these tariffs, and all 555 00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:11,080 Speaker 1: of these things are what lead to the price increases. 556 00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:13,919 Speaker 1: And so there's no light at the end of this 557 00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:15,879 Speaker 1: tunnel to say, hey, it's right around the corner. Or 558 00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:18,680 Speaker 1: if the Congress would just do whatever. Things would get better. 559 00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:21,119 Speaker 2: Now, when you take Democrats and independence out of the 560 00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:25,200 Speaker 2: poll and you have just Republicans, his approval rating has 561 00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:27,920 Speaker 2: also dipped with them. He's fallen from eighty seven percent 562 00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:31,960 Speaker 2: to eighty two percent this month, only twenty percent. It's 563 00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:34,160 Speaker 2: not just the money too. Only twenty percent of Americans 564 00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:37,480 Speaker 2: approve of his handling of the Epstein case. What's the number, 565 00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:41,280 Speaker 2: only twenty percent. That's all Americans, of all Americans. Okay, 566 00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:45,040 Speaker 2: so first thirty four percent of Republicans. So seventy percent, 567 00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:50,400 Speaker 2: including sixty percent of just Republicans, believe the government is 568 00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:53,440 Speaker 2: hiding information about Epstein's clients. 569 00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:58,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, and as well they should, because they are not. 570 00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:02,440 Speaker 1: The government has not behave both Democrats and Republicans have 571 00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:04,520 Speaker 1: not behaved like people who want you to have the 572 00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:07,520 Speaker 1: information or are very excited about you to get the information, 573 00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:11,800 Speaker 1: save for a few the Thomas Massey type of people. 574 00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:15,680 Speaker 1: And when your signature issue that you got elected on 575 00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:19,479 Speaker 1: you're not addressing, and issues that you made issues. Trump 576 00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:22,040 Speaker 1: made Epstein an issue everywhere he went. It seemed like 577 00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:23,760 Speaker 1: you got to mention to Epstein, I'm going to do this, 578 00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:26,520 Speaker 1: and I'm going to do that nobody forces you to 579 00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:29,640 Speaker 1: make promises to people, but when you do, it's interesting 580 00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:31,720 Speaker 1: because obviously we started the hour talking about that article 581 00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:35,040 Speaker 1: in Indie Star, which is sort of I'm the feature 582 00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:41,160 Speaker 1: of ripping on Braunze, and then they love it. There's 583 00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:43,480 Speaker 1: a very nice photo of you. But then I love 584 00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:46,120 Speaker 1: that that Kayla Dwyer just it appears took that my 585 00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:48,880 Speaker 1: quotes and said would you like to respond to Rob 586 00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:51,960 Speaker 1: And they tried to label me fake news and that 587 00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:55,440 Speaker 1: what they called the fake fake liberal news or whatever phrase. 588 00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:58,760 Speaker 1: They had some demeaning phrase, and it's like, wait a second, 589 00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:00,520 Speaker 1: and Matt Hilin and I are ball. We're talking about 590 00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:02,440 Speaker 1: that in the back room. He said, brought at every 591 00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:05,000 Speaker 1: opportunity last year. Tell me kick Rocks. I don't like 592 00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:07,480 Speaker 1: that dude. I don't be around that dude. I think 593 00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:10,440 Speaker 1: he's an idiot. I think it's show stupid. We'll win 594 00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:12,640 Speaker 1: without him. Kiss my butt cheeks, we're out of here. 595 00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:16,000 Speaker 1: He could have done that, and everybody was saying, hey, great, 596 00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:18,480 Speaker 1: I think he's doing it now. Well, but that's a problem. 597 00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:21,280 Speaker 1: He was in the state party headquarters. Remember I told you, 598 00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:23,320 Speaker 1: I said I was scared to me up that high 599 00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:25,200 Speaker 1: because it's like the people that get thrown out of 600 00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:27,840 Speaker 1: the buildings with the Saddam Hussein era. Have I seen 601 00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:31,000 Speaker 1: the view we have up here? And you know, when 602 00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:33,400 Speaker 1: you're sitting around a table begging me for my support, 603 00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:35,720 Speaker 1: then you don't get to say that I don't matter. 604 00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:38,080 Speaker 1: You don't get to say that I'm fake news. You 605 00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:40,480 Speaker 1: don't get to say that I'm some liberal this or 606 00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:43,880 Speaker 1: that when you're begging for my support. Because those guys 607 00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:46,200 Speaker 1: all they cared about was winning and they saw us 608 00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:48,239 Speaker 1: as like the people with the golden ticket to get 609 00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:50,280 Speaker 1: them to where they needed to be. But that's how 610 00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:53,040 Speaker 1: this thing operates. Now we don't tolerate their bull crap. 611 00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:56,040 Speaker 2: When it comes to Trump, he says that his pollsters 612 00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:57,880 Speaker 2: are telling him he's doing fantastic. 613 00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:00,800 Speaker 4: But I met with two pollsters because we were starting 614 00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:04,640 Speaker 4: to think about the next election. They said, Sir, if 615 00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:08,040 Speaker 4: George Washington and Abraham Lincoln came back from the dead 616 00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:11,640 Speaker 4: and they aligned and they went for the president vice 617 00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:15,280 Speaker 4: president as a combination, you'd be beating him by twenty 618 00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:18,360 Speaker 4: five points. And then the next day I was told 619 00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:20,280 Speaker 4: that something strange is happening. 620 00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:26,120 Speaker 2: So he thinks he's doing great. Clearly those polsters want 621 00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:27,960 Speaker 2: to tell him what he wants to hear. 622 00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:32,440 Speaker 1: Well, good luck with that, because and then he has 623 00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:33,680 Speaker 1: people that don't love him. 624 00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:34,880 Speaker 2: Because if he has people. 625 00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:36,760 Speaker 1: Around him who love him and actually respect him, they 626 00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:38,560 Speaker 1: would tell him the things we're telling him right now, 627 00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:41,400 Speaker 1: which is, sir, Unless you are able to fix the 628 00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:45,440 Speaker 1: affordability of living and especially as it pertains to middle 629 00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:49,800 Speaker 1: class people and not having their buying power diluted and 630 00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:52,880 Speaker 1: being pushed out of the middle class, until you're able 631 00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:56,480 Speaker 1: to address that and get prices under control, you're going 632 00:31:56,520 --> 00:32:00,200 Speaker 1: to continue to suffer. But apparently he does not does 633 00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:01,280 Speaker 1: not have that around him. 634 00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:03,360 Speaker 2: He was He went on to talk about jobs, and 635 00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:06,400 Speaker 2: he said, we've had more jobs right now than we've 636 00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:08,400 Speaker 2: ever had in the history of our country. And the 637 00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:11,320 Speaker 2: September jobs report came out with one hundred and nineteen 638 00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:14,600 Speaker 2: thousand new jobs. Of course, the October jobs report will 639 00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:17,400 Speaker 2: never be released. And in the same speech he went 640 00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:21,479 Speaker 2: on to talk about chip factories and how we're going 641 00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:24,960 Speaker 2: to have to bring people in from other countries. Oh yeah, 642 00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:27,920 Speaker 2: again with that to teach us how to make chips, 643 00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:30,360 Speaker 2: because we don't know how to do that. One thing 644 00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:33,000 Speaker 2: that is getting a lot of attention, is what he 645 00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:35,680 Speaker 2: said about his chief of staff. 646 00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:36,920 Speaker 1: Susie Wells. 647 00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:39,400 Speaker 4: And she had her father, Pat Summer, all the great 648 00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:41,960 Speaker 4: announcer football. He was a great football player, became an 649 00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:45,080 Speaker 4: even greater the voice of the NFL. And he was 650 00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:47,120 Speaker 4: supposed to be a tough cookie. And I believe it 651 00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:51,000 Speaker 4: one hundred percent most powerful woman in the world. She 652 00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:55,080 Speaker 4: can take out a country, destroy take out a country 653 00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:56,240 Speaker 4: with one phone call. 654 00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:59,360 Speaker 1: That's power. I don't know if I could do that, 655 00:32:59,440 --> 00:32:59,920 Speaker 1: but she could. 656 00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:04,800 Speaker 2: Yeah. The problem here with him saying that Susie Wiles 657 00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:07,080 Speaker 2: is the most powerful woman in the world is that 658 00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:08,680 Speaker 2: no one voted for her. 659 00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:10,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a major issue. All right, we got to 660 00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:11,480 Speaker 1: take a break. 661 00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:14,120 Speaker 2: It's Kendall and Casey. It's ninety three w YBC. 662 00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:23,400 Speaker 1: I don't even know one of the album titles of 663 00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:27,560 Speaker 1: all time, Nothing matters, and what if it did? Yeah, 664 00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:32,720 Speaker 1: John Mellencamp speak of nothing mattering. I've got some major 665 00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:35,080 Speaker 1: life decisions to make coming up here. Yeah, you do, 666 00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:38,760 Speaker 1: and you and I have conversed about them. And so 667 00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:41,120 Speaker 1: when we next hour, I'm going to ask the audience 668 00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:43,320 Speaker 1: maybe for their help. I'm going to take you behind 669 00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:45,880 Speaker 1: the scenes here at w ib C, show you a 670 00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:47,960 Speaker 1: little bit of what my life looks like here. And 671 00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:49,280 Speaker 1: then I got to start making some. 672 00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:52,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, some hard decisions, some hard yeah. 673 00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:54,880 Speaker 1: You know, some hard choices, and we'll see what I 674 00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:56,719 Speaker 1: what I have to do, because you you don't have 675 00:33:56,760 --> 00:34:00,720 Speaker 1: to make this choice. Well no, but any way, did 676 00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:04,760 Speaker 1: you see this this pole that almost half of Americans 677 00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:08,080 Speaker 1: describe themselves as needing a game plan just to survive 678 00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:09,000 Speaker 1: their holiday dinners? 679 00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:12,239 Speaker 2: Yeah, what is it? Forty seven percent say they would 680 00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:16,279 Speaker 2: prefer sitting at the kids table to dodge uncomfortable discussions 681 00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:20,560 Speaker 2: at Thanksgiving. Millennials lead at sixty two percent. 682 00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:27,160 Speaker 1: Now, study Fines has this this article, And my question 683 00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:30,239 Speaker 1: to you is what are you doing at your Thanksgiving 684 00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:32,400 Speaker 1: that you are, like you seeking to get into it 685 00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:34,600 Speaker 1: with people. I mean, I don't think I've ever gotten 686 00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:36,800 Speaker 1: into it with anybody at any holiday event. 687 00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:39,880 Speaker 2: Well, I would imagine that you surround yourself with like 688 00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:42,880 Speaker 2: minded people on Thanksgiving, your family. 689 00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:45,799 Speaker 1: At my wife's grandmother's house for a period of time. 690 00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:47,440 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't control who shows up there, but 691 00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:49,160 Speaker 1: I can just get along for you know, a few 692 00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:52,200 Speaker 1: hours with people in decent society and not get into 693 00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:56,480 Speaker 1: some throwdown, drag out affair. That's not too much to ask. 694 00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:59,520 Speaker 2: So some of the topics that are banned by many 695 00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:06,960 Speaker 2: people politics, personal finances, appearance and weight, religion, romantic. 696 00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:08,600 Speaker 1: Relations if you're looking a little chubby this. 697 00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:14,680 Speaker 2: Year, mental health, work, relationship status, and family gossip. They 698 00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:18,880 Speaker 2: say the safe conversation topics are food and wine, travel 699 00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:20,560 Speaker 2: plans and hobbies. 700 00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:23,799 Speaker 1: Travel plans you already went with, you're already traveling. What 701 00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:26,399 Speaker 1: travel plans could Yeah? 702 00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:29,600 Speaker 2: If you if you are going to have a knockdown, 703 00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:33,600 Speaker 2: drag out fight with someone at Thanksgiving, maybe just don't go. 704 00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:35,040 Speaker 1: Don't go, Just don't go. 705 00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:40,120 Speaker 2: Enjoy your your Thanksgiving by yourself. It's Kendily Casey. It's 706 00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:41,680 Speaker 2: ninety three WYBC.