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Speaker 1: years ago I realized I'm like, man like my mattress,

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Speaker 1: thinking about what happened with Indiana basketball, and yes, I

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Speaker 1: I thought about the fact that the Colts, and where

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Speaker 1: In fact, you look at it and you go, they're

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Speaker 1: so to say, Indiana basketball, it's over. It's over. I

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Speaker 1: got a newsflash for all of you. And I grew

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Speaker 1: And listen, I'm not I don't have some ax to

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Speaker 1: We have different standards. We have different standards in Indiana.

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Speaker 1: That's not why Indiana should not play in the postseason.

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Speaker 1: this year and yet another colossal disappointment. I could make

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Speaker 1: it's not who they've been for a very long time.

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Speaker 1: Who do the Pacers play tonight? Phone X? Correct? And

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Speaker 2: He is not listed on the injury report for Phoenix.

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Speaker 2: A litany of tickets to give away, Jake, A litany.

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Speaker 3: We've got the Indiana Sports Corporencia fan Fest, a four

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Speaker 1: come back, like I mentioned with Indiana, where you start

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Speaker 1: to look at their roster now and now the clock begins,

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Speaker 1: does the clock reset for the Colts or are we

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Speaker 1: just running back what we've seen before. We're going to

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Speaker 1: analyze whether this roster is better or worse than a

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Speaker 1: year ago. Other side, so when you look at the

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Speaker 1: Colts and Eddie. By the way, we'll get back into

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Speaker 1: this later, but if you wanted to quickly point out,

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Speaker 1: because you make good points both on Indiana and the

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Speaker 1: Pacers in terms of their rosters and moving forward for

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Speaker 1: next year. And the one thing I think you made

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Speaker 1: a really good point about the Pacers. We were just talking.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, they're with how they're playing lately, just

444
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Speaker 3: the nature of being content with losing and not really

445
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Speaker 3: going out there to try to win, even though they

446
00:27:57,840 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 3: can say it all they want, Hey, there's guys out

447
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Speaker 3: here trying to order whatever. But the decisions of rotations

448
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 3: and who's on the floor and how long they're on

449
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:11,280
Speaker 3: the floor, who's playing with one another say a different story.

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Speaker 3: And I just wonder, Jake, with how beaten up they've

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Speaker 3: been this year, and how guys have not had a

452
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Speaker 3: lot of time together, how they haven't really played a

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Speaker 3: lot of these what NBA calls the clutch games, the

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Speaker 3: close games, like are they going to be able to

455
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Speaker 3: get back to the and turn on the switch or

456
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Speaker 3: flip the switch or get back to that you know,

457
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Speaker 3: very uber competitive mindset and make those winning plays and

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Speaker 3: focus on the small details again.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's a good point. For sure. You don't

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Speaker 1: want you don't want complacency or habit to suddenly supplant

461
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Speaker 1: drive if you will, not saying that would happen, but

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Speaker 1: you never know, right, That's one thing you never know

463
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Speaker 1: in sport, you know. And as for Indiana, as we

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Speaker 1: talked about, what I'm saying is why there's no reason

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Speaker 1: for them to play in the postseason. The fact, you know,

466
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Speaker 1: listen when when any other won the national chaeampionship in

467
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Speaker 1: college football, it's wonderful, it's great. The reason they had

468
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Speaker 1: a celebration at Memorial Stadium in sub zero temperatures with

469
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Speaker 1: John Mellencamp and a guy with a frozen saxophone or

470
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Speaker 1: whatever it was up there, electric guitar, a frozen electric

471
00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 1: guitar trying to play hurt so good. The reason they

472
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Speaker 1: did it that way is because a handful of players,

473
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Speaker 1: notably for Nanda Mendoza, were like, I'm out of here, man,

474
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Speaker 1: Like I don't I mean, I got appointments with agents

475
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Speaker 1: or whatever else and I'm out of here. And the

476
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Speaker 1: same I would presume is true of a lot of

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Speaker 1: the basketball players. That's my point. In today's world, these guys.

478
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Speaker 1: It's not like they're like, yeah, we can do you know,

479
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Speaker 1: we'll get together and do whatever whenever because we got class.

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Speaker 1: I mean, look, this is these are guys that were

481
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Speaker 1: on contract, right and if their eligibilities up, then off

482
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Speaker 1: to go work out and get ready for the next phase. Okay,

483
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Speaker 1: I'm going to name a player. Okay, Eddie, We're going

484
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Speaker 1: to do an ex exercise that's gonna involve you. Okay, Okay,

485
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna name a player, and I want you to

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Speaker 1: score for me in terms of what they have been

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Speaker 1: as a cult. I want you to give me a

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Speaker 1: one through ten score in terms of their value as

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Speaker 1: an NFL player or to the Colts. Are you ready?

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Speaker 2: Okay?

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Speaker 1: Okay? Michael Pittman Jr. Six Okay, Zire Franklin four, Nick

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Speaker 1: Cross five okay, Quity Pay two Okay now, Daniel Jones.

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Speaker 2: In terms of value, I would say.

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Speaker 1: Productivity, value, et cetera. Eight, Okay, Alec Pierce eight. Blake Groupie.

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Speaker 2: I don't know where to put a kicker on the

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Speaker 2: value meter, Jake.

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Speaker 1: I mean, one thing we learned is that a consistent

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Speaker 1: character can be hard to come by. Chris Collins should

499
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Speaker 1: know that he paid big time money to one guy

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Speaker 1: and it kind of blew up on him.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Five, sure, yeah, five, six, whatever, we'll go five. Okay.

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Speaker 1: Now that means of the players lost. Of the players lost,

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Speaker 1: you ranked them as an average of a four point

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Speaker 1: twenty five. Okay, okay. Of the players retained, you rate

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Speaker 1: them as an average value of a seven. Now Here

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Speaker 1: are the players brought in, and you tell me, in

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Speaker 1: the places they've been or if they are to replicate

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Speaker 1: the same production, what you would score them. Okay, Okay.

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Speaker 2: Colby Wooden, I think he's a Neville Gallimore replacement. Maybe four,

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Speaker 2: Arden Key four, he's a rotational piece. Michael Clemens three.

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Speaker 1: Okay. So based on that, the players that are coming

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Speaker 1: in you rate them at an average of a three

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Speaker 1: point three. But the players retained were more important, and

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Speaker 1: this was a year it would seem for the Colts

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Speaker 1: that that, and I will give them credit in this regard.

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Speaker 1: Chris Ballard has always said that his priority is retaining

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Speaker 1: his own, keeping his own right, taking care of his

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Speaker 1: own and in this case they did do that because

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Speaker 1: the two most important pieces for them clearly were Alec

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Speaker 1: Pearson Daniel Jones. But the curveball to this and they

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Speaker 1: did well because the players retained, they got they retained

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Speaker 1: the ones they needed to retain. But it may have

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Speaker 1: come at the cost of retaining or it did come

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Speaker 1: at the cost of and whether or not this was

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Speaker 1: a financial issue or a scheme issue, a reps issue,

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Speaker 1: whatever I am. You know, I get my sneezes every day.

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Speaker 1: Michael Pittman Jr. I do think that that they're going

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Speaker 1: to have to do something here to find out because

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Speaker 1: if you look at them offensively, Daniel Jones is back,

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Speaker 1: but you don't know what percentage back you're getting. I

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Speaker 1: think he's going to be fine with the Achilles. But

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Speaker 1: again we've talked about is there the possibility of regression,

534
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Speaker 1: et cetera. We've gone over all of that. But he

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Speaker 1: still was better than what the alternatives were going to

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Speaker 1: be because if you'd lost him, your alternatives were likely

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Speaker 1: Kyler Murray or you know, probably Riley Leonard. But you

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Speaker 1: have one less weapon now, and I think if I

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Speaker 1: had to gauge it. Michael Pittman Jr. Who I've set

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Speaker 1: again was everything that you wanted from the time he

541
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Speaker 1: got to the franchise. Good guy, played hurt did what

542
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 1: was needed was not a sulker. I got a lot

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Speaker 1: of respect for Michael Pittman Jr. And he deserves a

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Speaker 1: lot of credit and probably like a thank you for

545
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Speaker 1: your service. But that still is even though he was

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Speaker 1: going to be overpaid, that still is a big loss

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Speaker 1: because he was a big part of their offense. And

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Speaker 1: I think if you look back at last year, there's

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Speaker 1: a reason, there's a reason that you can feel okay

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Speaker 1: about that. Possibly, and I'll tell you who that is

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Speaker 1: that in the back of our mind might have made

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Speaker 1: that all possible to soften that blow, so to speak.

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Speaker 1: In today's steam, we'll get to that, and then again,

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Speaker 1: Rob Blackman going to join us bottom of the one

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Speaker 1: o'clock hour Purdue and Action tonight or today, I should say,

556
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Speaker 1: against Northwestern Big Ten Tournament. But black Men will join

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Speaker 1: us before that. What time is that? Is that a

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Speaker 1: six thirty game? Yes, yes, so I guess tonight anyway,

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Speaker 1: Blackmen joining us one thirty. We aim to do all

560
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Speaker 1: things anyway you wanted on this program at Query and Company,

561
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:54,279
Speaker 1: we are a company designed for you. On ninety three five,

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Speaker 1: one oh seventy five to the fan, we had scheduled to

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Speaker 1: have Rob Blackman, the voice of the Purdue boiler Makers

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Speaker 1: at the bottom of the one o'clock hour. But understanding,

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Speaker 1: and I am really grateful because Purdue playing today, So

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Speaker 1: I can only imagine what Rob's schedule looks like. And

567
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Speaker 1: he just sent a thing said, hey, can I hop

568
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Speaker 1: on now? And I said, absolutely, let's do it. So

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Speaker 1: joining us now on the Java House Colbrew Coffee guest

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Speaker 1: line Rob Blackman in just a second now, Eddie just

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Speaker 1: said that we're connecting with Rob. So the Boilers and

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Speaker 1: Action tonight taking on Northwestern. That game can be seen

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Speaker 1: on the BT and it can be heard on the

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Speaker 1: Purdue Basketball Radio Network. And yes, I think there was

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Speaker 1: the thought, the expectation that it would be Indiana and

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Speaker 1: Purdue for a third installment. I was excited about that.

577
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Speaker 1: Looked like it was going to be that way in

578
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Speaker 1: certainly the better part of the first half of that game.

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Speaker 1: And then Northwestern ends up getting that win. So now

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Speaker 1: Purdue has to pivot towards getting ready for the Wildcats.

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Speaker 4: Rob.

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Speaker 1: I'll begin with this. I don't know if you talked

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Speaker 1: to Matt Painter about this, And certainly Northwestern's playing really

584
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 1: good basket. You can't look at their record. Chris Collins

585
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 1: has that team playing well. But how do you think

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00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:09,960
Speaker 1: Purdue does kind of handle the mindset of not knowing

587
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 1: on a twenty four hour notice, who the opponent is

588
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 1: going to be. Do they come up with two different

589
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Speaker 1: game plans or is it more so just we're going

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Speaker 1: to play our game and take our chances because we

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Speaker 1: know both opponents.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so I can tell you this, Jake, just from

593
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:26,840
Speaker 5: being at practice. Yet the last two days it really

594
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:30,440
Speaker 5: was more about Purdue worrying about Purdue. Now, they did

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00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:33,360
Speaker 5: take a couple of minutes each day to talk about, Okay,

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Speaker 5: if we're playing Indiana defensively, this is what we'll be

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00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 5: looking at the same with Northwestern, but those are maybe

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Speaker 5: five minute segments maybe total. Right between the two. It

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Speaker 5: was really more about Purdue being at its best regardless

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Speaker 5: of who the opponent is. But yeah, that's always the

601
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:53,440
Speaker 5: trick right in this when you get to this tournament,

602
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Speaker 5: is you don't know until twenty four hours, really less

603
00:37:57,200 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 5: than twenty four hours who you're going to play. So

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Speaker 5: and by the way, Jake, thank you for rearranging the

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Speaker 5: schedule to fit me in here this afternoon. Our practice

606
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:05,920
Speaker 5: schedule got messed up, so thank you.

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Speaker 1: For doing it. No, listen, Rob, I totally get it.

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Speaker 1: You know that practice and thanks for coming on that practice.

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Speaker 1: You're talking about the reality is this? You know? I

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00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 1: think that we thought and the big tens loaded, Rob,

611
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Speaker 1: we know that. But if you had to pinpoint or pick,

612
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:25,080
Speaker 1: what is the area? What is it that has gone?

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Speaker 1: And it sounds weird to say awry because Purdue is

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Speaker 1: still going to be probably a top four seed in

615
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Speaker 1: the NCAA Tournament. But what has denied them the chance

616
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Speaker 1: to be that one seed? What is it that is off?

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Speaker 5: Easy answer Jake defense and poor defense. Maybe that's a

618
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Speaker 5: two word answer, poor defense. Just looking at the numbers

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Speaker 5: and I'm gonna this is not my original thought. Coach

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Speaker 5: Painter actually shared this with a team going into the

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Speaker 5: Northwestern game last week. Going into that game, Purdue was

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Speaker 5: one in three in their last four games, and over

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Speaker 5: that four game stretch adjusted offensive efficiency by the numbers,

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Speaker 5: Purdue is number one in the country. Now, thinking about that,

625
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Speaker 5: you are number one in the country offensive adjusted deficiency

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Speaker 5: and you're one in three over that same stretch. Why

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Speaker 5: because your defense had been so poor. I was looking

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Speaker 5: at some numbers earlier today that our sid Chris Forman

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Speaker 5: had provided for me. Purdue in the home games this

630
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Speaker 5: year where they lost four games to top fifteen teams

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Speaker 5: adjusted defensive efficiency ninety six, that's just and adjusted offensive

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Speaker 5: efficiency and those four losses at home to those top

633
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Speaker 5: fifteen teams number two. So that makes it pretty easy.

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Speaker 5: Just looking at the hard numbers, Purdue is certainly good

635
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:48,960
Speaker 5: enough offensively. Purdue, unless something just goes crazy here down

636
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 5: the stretch, this is going to be the highest scoring

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Speaker 5: team that Matt Painter has ever had in his twenty

638
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:55,760
Speaker 5: one years. That no team has scored more than this team.

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Speaker 5: This team is about to literally break a record in

640
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Speaker 5: the NCAA assist a turnover ratio. They're not just going

641
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Speaker 5: to break it, they're going to obliterate it. It's like

642
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:08,719
Speaker 5: something like two point one six or something assist to turnovers.

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Speaker 5: No one in the NCAAA history has ever had those

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Speaker 5: kind of numbers. Uh prdue leads the Big Ten in

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Speaker 5: three point shooting percentage if you just look at the

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Speaker 5: conference numbers. The point I'm getting at here, offense has

647
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Speaker 5: not been a problem. As a matter of fact, the offense,

648
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Speaker 5: if you just look at those numbers, would lead you

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Speaker 5: to believe produce a front runner to be a national champion.

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Speaker 5: The problem is on the at rim for who has

651
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Speaker 5: been so poor defensively.

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Speaker 1: But for the most part, rob the personnel is the

653
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Speaker 1: same as in years past where defense was not nearly

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Speaker 1: this deficient. So what is you know, It's not like

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Speaker 1: all of a sudden you've got a bunch of guys

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Speaker 1: that are different than a year ago. This is the

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Speaker 1: same group. I mean Oscar Cluff obviously new or CJ.

658
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Speaker 1: Cox getting a little bit more minutes. But the perimeter

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Speaker 1: defense itself, what has changed that has caused this drop

660
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Speaker 1: this year?

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Speaker 5: I would say this, and let's just talk about the

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Speaker 5: three seniors that have been here four years and Trey five.

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Speaker 5: When this coaching staff began recruiting for the group that

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Speaker 5: was going to surround Zach Edy, because they knew they

665
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Speaker 5: had a very special player in Zach Edy, They've thought

666
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Speaker 5: it very important to recruit offensive minded, offensive skilled players

667
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Speaker 5: because they felt like in the long run, that is

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Speaker 5: the best for this particular group again surrounding Zach Edy.

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Speaker 5: And obviously it worked because Zach Edy is a senior.

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Speaker 5: Obviously you go all the way to the National championship game.

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Speaker 5: What has now happened Unfortunately on the back end is

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Speaker 5: once Zach Edy walks out that door, you're now stuck

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Speaker 5: with a bunch of guys who are offensive minded players. Again,

674
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Speaker 5: not all bad in that scheme with the National player

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Speaker 5: of the year on your roster at seven point four,

676
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Speaker 5: but it does catch up to you on the back end.

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Speaker 4: And that is what has happened here.

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Speaker 1: Did it start to show itself a year ago?

679
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Speaker 5: Absolutely with that question, And to be fair to Purdue,

680
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Speaker 5: they thought they were going to clean it up with

681
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Speaker 5: getting a healthy Daniel Jacobson and getting Oscar cluff hiss

682
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Speaker 5: rim protection. What none of us probably took into account

683
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Speaker 5: or certainly probably should have, is that keeping the ball

684
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Speaker 5: out of the paint on the on the on the

685
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Speaker 5: off the dribble was a much bigger concern than probably

686
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Speaker 5: all of us thought looking at it. It's always easy

687
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Speaker 5: right to look at it after the fact. But a

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Speaker 5: Purdue can't keep the ball out of the paint. I

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Speaker 5: don't know what to tell you, especially as we get

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Speaker 5: into postseason play. If if they can get that figured out,

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Speaker 5: and I still think they can, then who knows, maybe

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Speaker 5: something special can happen here.

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Speaker 1: Rob Blackman, my guest, he's the Voice of the Boilers,

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Speaker 1: Purdue and Action. Tonight they will be taking on Northwestern.

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Speaker 1: It is a and Rob, I always have to look

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Speaker 1: at this. Is it a definitive six thirty tip? They're

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Speaker 1: not following a game before, right, because this is the

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Speaker 1: first game of the evening session, so the tip time

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Speaker 1: is pretty much setting this one, right.

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Speaker 5: You got six thirty six Eastern were the first game

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Speaker 5: of the night session, so this game will tip on time?

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Speaker 1: Could you be more specific? By chance? You can tell

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Speaker 1: it work in radio?

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Speaker 5: Right? You need to know the executive.

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Speaker 1: That's exactly right. Okay, So Rob, the other question for

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Speaker 1: you because you're around this as much as anybody. You're

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Speaker 1: the practices, you're on the buses, all of it. And

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Speaker 1: it is crazy to say that a team that has

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Speaker 1: had the year that Purdue has had, because they've been very,

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Speaker 1: very good and ranked all year long, but against the

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Speaker 1: standard of what we anticipated, it probably is not where

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Speaker 1: it was totally expected. With adversity sometimes can come friction.

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Speaker 1: Have you seen it amongst the teammates with this group?

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Speaker 5: I have not, and you're not the first to ask

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Speaker 5: me that question. I would actually say this group is

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Speaker 5: as close as it's ever been. And I mean, just

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Speaker 5: for instance, riding the bus yesterday from Purdue up here

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Speaker 5: to Chicago. It's cutting up, it's joking around, it's having

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Speaker 5: fun with one another. This is a group that does

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Speaker 5: genuinely like each other. I know from a distance, maybe

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Speaker 5: it doesn't look that way. I'm telling you. That's the

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Speaker 5: least of produced concerns right now. Is continuity amongst the players.

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Speaker 5: That is, it's something I haven't seen all year. And

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Speaker 5: again you're not the first to ask me about it,

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Speaker 5: but no, I have not seen that.

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Speaker 1: Lastly, I wanted to ask you this. I've always been

727
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Speaker 1: curious of this. It used to be rob I don't

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Speaker 1: know if it's still the case. It used to be

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Speaker 1: in the Big Ten that travel. If it was within

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Speaker 1: a certain number of miles of the university, you took

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Speaker 1: bus and that was mandated, and then you flew elsewhere

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Speaker 1: for Purdue, just strictly out of curiosity. How many of

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Speaker 1: the Big Ten teams now, do you guys bus to

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Speaker 1: versus fly?

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Speaker 5: Okay, so two part answer, you're number one. That's not

736
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Speaker 5: a hard and faster rule anymore. That's just kind of

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Speaker 5: at your own quite frankly, budgeting.

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Speaker 1: Wasn't it? At one time or am my off base there?

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Speaker 5: No, I think you're right, And for the NCAA tournament

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Speaker 5: that remains as a rule. I think three hundred and

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Speaker 5: fifty miles or less you have to bus, I think

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Speaker 5: is the rule in the NCAA tournament. But so do

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Speaker 5: your answer. Purdue buses to Bloomington, obviously, Evanston, Champagne, and

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Speaker 5: those are the three. Everywhere else is a flight for

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Speaker 5: men's basketball. Now, obviously the Olympics sports you you might

746
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Speaker 5: be busting out the Penn State, which I've done with

747
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Speaker 5: Purdue baseball before, but for bat men's basketball, those are

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Speaker 5: the places that Purdue buses to.

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Speaker 1: I'm surprised Ohio State's not a bus trip. I mean

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Speaker 1: that would be what three and a half maybe.

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Speaker 5: Four Yeah, in the in the flights like twenty eight

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Speaker 5: to twenty nine minutes, well even East Lansing is is

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Speaker 5: in Madison or less than forty minutes, you know.

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Speaker 1: Interestingly enough, all of those flights take off at six

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Speaker 1: thirty six, specifically right on time, right every time.

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Speaker 5: Well, the beauty of flying out of the Purdue airport,

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Speaker 5: since there's really no commercial air traffic, you're always first

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Speaker 5: for takeoff.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right, well, Rob, you'll be taking off tonight

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Speaker 1: six thirty six. It is the Boilers and Northwestern in

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Speaker 1: the Big Ten Tournament. Things opening up, and then of

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Speaker 1: course the winner would go on to take on Nebraska tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate the time, Rob very much.

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Speaker 5: Okay, Jake, thanks again for rearranging the schedule.

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Speaker 4: No problem.

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Speaker 1: Rob Blackman joining us Java House Colbrew Coffee guest line.

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Speaker 1: I had mentioned it the player that might be the

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Speaker 1: one that is kind of the softening pill, if you will,

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Speaker 1: for some of the changes for the Colts, notably for

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Speaker 1: Daniel Jones. We'll get into that other side here, and

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Speaker 1: then Zach Osterman. Osterman coming up the bottom of the hour.

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Speaker 1: So the ping pong balls for the Pacers in the

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Speaker 1: draft and I don't even know if they do ping

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Speaker 1: pong balls anymore, but for the sake of the discussion,

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Speaker 1: that's kind of how today's show is. It's like these

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Speaker 1: ping pong balls floating around where we're We've got to

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Speaker 1: kind of adjust on the fly with different times for people,

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Speaker 1: which is cool, and I appreciate everybody's willingness to come on.

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Speaker 1: Did want to mention the guy that will more into this.

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Speaker 1: I do think that with the departure of Michael Pittman Jr.

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Speaker 1: And trading him and getting yourself some cap flexibility there offensively,

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Speaker 1: I think you can make up for that a little

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Speaker 1: bit if you can get Tyler Warren to get back

784
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Speaker 1: to And he did hit a little bit of a

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Speaker 1: rookie wall last year, but he was so effective and

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Speaker 1: you can put him in so many different spots and

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Speaker 1: he's a yard after catch guy, and he's a guy

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Speaker 1: that can go across the middle. You can line him

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Speaker 1: up out of the backfield. But Pittman Junior was so

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Speaker 1: valuable because he was willing to go in to areas,

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Speaker 1: you know, the danger areas, to take up space and

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Speaker 1: then you throw it to him over the middle. He's

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Speaker 1: not afraid to get hit over the middle and et cetera.

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Speaker 1: That's probably unless they can go out and get a

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Speaker 1: receiver like that to replace him via free agency or

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Speaker 1: the draft. And you know, so Rod for Indiana feels

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Speaker 1: like that kind of a player. But again, there that's

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Speaker 1: a big leap to say you're going to be Michael

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Speaker 1: Bittman Jr. Warren can be that guy until they can

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Speaker 1: find another to develop it. But we go back now

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Speaker 1: to the jab Als Colbrew Coffee guest line moved up

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Speaker 1: and the ping pong balls bounced a little bit here

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Speaker 1: in order to get from the Indianapolis Star, our friend

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Speaker 1: Zach who joins us talking about Indiana basketball, and actually,

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Speaker 1: you know what, Zach, I'm going to do a buy

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Speaker 1: one get one with you here. Let's go to the

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Speaker 1: football side of things first, real quick. We know that

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Speaker 1: Mendoza is going to be likely the number one pick

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Speaker 1: in the draft to the Raiders, and Omar Cooper Junior

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Speaker 1: seems to have had a really good combine and postseason

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Speaker 1: workout you know, routine here. But what about sarat Where

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Speaker 1: are you hearing that he could go and could he

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Speaker 1: be a steady on field NFL reliant player like he

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Speaker 1: was at the college level.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, it's been a while since I checked

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Speaker 6: in the vibe. I kind of got with like day two,

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Speaker 6: maybe early day three, with with with Sarratt, I think,

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Speaker 6: I mean, listen, it's you know, he is never going

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Speaker 6: to have the explosiveness that I think is a big

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Speaker 6: part of sort of what's pushing Omar Cooper's profile up.

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Speaker 6: But I think you also see I think you know,

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Speaker 6: to your point, he is a receiver that can operate

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Speaker 6: in a lot of different areas. I think he's a

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Speaker 6: bit of a tone setting receiver. I know this is

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Speaker 6: a little bit kind of unquantifiable, but like when people

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Speaker 6: ask me for kind of the moment when I felt

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Speaker 6: like maybe things are different with Kurt Signetti. One of

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Speaker 6: the ones I point to is a play he had

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Speaker 6: in the UCLA win last year where a safety squared

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Speaker 6: him up along the sideline when he was catching the ball,

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Speaker 6: and not only did he turn in time to meet

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Speaker 6: the contact, but he shouldered the safety of the ground

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Speaker 6: and they stood over and then basically said something to him,

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Speaker 6: and I just kind of thought, man, this like this dude,

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Speaker 6: and by extension, this team have just a little bit

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Speaker 6: of a different attitude about them. You hear people talk

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Speaker 6: about his leadership qualities and then really more than anything else,

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Speaker 6: And I know there's a simplistic but he catches the football.

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Speaker 6: Give it thrown to him, he catches it. And that

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Speaker 6: feels a little bit like pitchers who find the strike zone,

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Speaker 6: Like we can sit here and we can rave over

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Speaker 6: velocity and arm angle and and you know, RPMs and break.

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Speaker 6: At the end of the day, Guys who throw a

844
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Speaker 6: strike and stay in the league, and guys who catch

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Speaker 6: football stay in the league, and we can worry about measurables,

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Speaker 6: we can worry about speed, we can worry about you know,

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Speaker 6: hand signs or whatever. I do think Elias Surrat is

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Speaker 6: gonna make somebody, you know, what's the what's the shelf

849
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Speaker 6: life for receivers in the NFL these days? I'm not sure,

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Speaker 6: but I do think Elijah Arrat is gonna make somebody happy.

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Speaker 1: Okay, what the people that were not happy would be

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Speaker 1: Indiana fans based on last night against Northwestern. Let's begin

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Speaker 1: and I'm gonna go kind of futuristic and then move backwards.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, Zach, so my apologies for my ignorance here.

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Speaker 1: A lot of this will not obviously be determined until

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Speaker 1: selection Sunday, and seemingly nobody wants to get in and

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Speaker 1: have go to Dayton because teams are just losing all

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Speaker 1: over the place. But has Indiana said either way whether

859
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:09,560
Speaker 1: or not they would accept a bid other than the

860
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:11,600
Speaker 1: NCAA Tournament in the postseason.

861
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:15,000
Speaker 6: Darren Dere's actually got that question last night.

862
00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:15,759
Speaker 4: He deflected it.

863
00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:18,200
Speaker 6: He basically just said that's something we'd have to talk

864
00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:20,520
Speaker 6: about with our administration, and with our locker room and

865
00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:23,360
Speaker 6: all that, I think it's fair to say teams like

866
00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:25,759
Speaker 6: Indiana don't go to the n i C anymore, and

867
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:28,120
Speaker 6: and that you know, we can have a philosophical debate

868
00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:30,719
Speaker 6: as to the merits of that. But as long as

869
00:51:30,719 --> 00:51:32,600
Speaker 6: the portal window is going to operate, and I know

870
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:34,759
Speaker 6: they've moved it back a little bit, but as long

871
00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:37,520
Speaker 6: as the portal window is going to realistically operate in

872
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:41,879
Speaker 6: you know, the the late March early April kind of period,

873
00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:46,040
Speaker 6: any team that doesn't make the NCAA tournament at Indiana's

874
00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:50,239
Speaker 6: level of nil spend and regishare spend and frankly expectation

875
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:53,040
Speaker 6: is going to want to spend that time rebuilding and

876
00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:55,840
Speaker 6: retooling its roster. There's just not an interest in the

877
00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:57,520
Speaker 6: n I T and Indiana is not alone in that.

878
00:51:57,600 --> 00:51:58,719
Speaker 6: I mean, you know, I think it was a couple

879
00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:01,480
Speaker 6: of years ago Miss opted out of the n I T.

880
00:52:02,040 --> 00:52:03,560
Speaker 6: There were other teams that I don't remember, and I

881
00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:05,760
Speaker 6: want to I don't want to start spitting out names

882
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:10,880
Speaker 6: and get somebody and get somebody wrong. But that tournament

883
00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:14,200
Speaker 6: has unfortunately just kind of faded very much to the

884
00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:17,320
Speaker 6: background for the high major teams. The crowd is a

885
00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:20,719
Speaker 6: different question. The Crown has nil components. It's also a

886
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:24,320
Speaker 6: Fox backed event. It's all played over a really confined

887
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:26,200
Speaker 6: space of time. I think this year is April one

888
00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:29,960
Speaker 6: to April five out in Las Vegas. It's only eight teams.

889
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:32,920
Speaker 6: It's pretty quick to Raster won it last year. I

890
00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:35,160
Speaker 6: think there would be at least more of a discussion

891
00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:37,839
Speaker 6: around the Crown. I think the question for Indiana would

892
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:41,680
Speaker 6: be really as much as anything, what your what your

893
00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:43,960
Speaker 6: locker rooms buy in would be, because it's, you know,

894
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:46,520
Speaker 6: you've got six guys going out the door. Obviously as

895
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:50,239
Speaker 6: his seniors, you're gonna have guys who may have, you know,

896
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:53,120
Speaker 6: their own intentions, whether it's the portal, whether it's maybe

897
00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:54,719
Speaker 6: they've been playing with an injury and they want to

898
00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:57,040
Speaker 6: shut down to get something. You know, this time of year,

899
00:52:57,080 --> 00:52:58,879
Speaker 6: a lot of guys are playing through something that will

900
00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:02,279
Speaker 6: probably need at least a minor surgery to correct in

901
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:04,680
Speaker 6: the offseason. Do they want to delay that another month

902
00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:07,759
Speaker 6: to playing the Crown if they don't make the NCAA

903
00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:11,200
Speaker 6: jurnam that kind of thing. That would be more of

904
00:53:11,239 --> 00:53:13,759
Speaker 6: a debate though, And I said this on Twitter last night.

905
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:16,879
Speaker 6: If you pushed me for it, I would say I'd

906
00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:20,080
Speaker 6: be surprised if we see Indiana in the crown, but

907
00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:22,880
Speaker 6: I could see it. I certainly don't think Indiana is

908
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:23,800
Speaker 6: going to play any in ninety.

909
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:25,880
Speaker 1: By the way, Eddie, do you happen to have the

910
00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:33,719
Speaker 1: breaking new sounder. It is now confirmed that it will

911
00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:36,960
Speaker 1: be fifty consecutive seasons that Indiana will be the last

912
00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:41,680
Speaker 1: unbeaten in college basketball because the RedHawks of Miami have

913
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:44,680
Speaker 1: suffered their first loss of the year. Indiana was thirty

914
00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:47,000
Speaker 1: two to zero in nineteen seventy six. Miami is now

915
00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:51,960
Speaker 1: thirty one and one, Zach. That is interesting because and

916
00:53:52,040 --> 00:53:56,160
Speaker 1: I personally believe Miami should absolutely be in after an

917
00:53:56,239 --> 00:53:58,640
Speaker 1: unblemish regular season, but they lose the first game in

918
00:53:58,680 --> 00:54:02,440
Speaker 1: the MAC Tournament. Does this help Indiana, Zach, in your opinion,

919
00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:04,680
Speaker 1: or is it a moot point Indiana's not getting in.

920
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:07,680
Speaker 6: I don't think it's a moot point that Indiana is

921
00:54:07,719 --> 00:54:10,680
Speaker 6: not getting in, although I think the chances we're pretty small,

922
00:54:11,120 --> 00:54:12,759
Speaker 6: you know, frankly, just at the beginning of the day

923
00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:15,560
Speaker 6: in general, to your point at the top, like the

924
00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:18,120
Speaker 6: issue is less when Indiana's done and more of what

925
00:54:18,160 --> 00:54:19,120
Speaker 6: everyone else has done.

926
00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:20,640
Speaker 4: The bubble is just carnage this.

927
00:54:20,680 --> 00:54:23,080
Speaker 6: I mean, we always say the bubble is bad, but

928
00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:27,880
Speaker 6: like this year is particularly unimpressive, And so I wouldn't

929
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:30,279
Speaker 6: close the door on Indiana, you know, like a five

930
00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:33,000
Speaker 6: percent chance, a ten percent chance something like that of

931
00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:38,000
Speaker 6: slipping in the back door and going to Dayton. My

932
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:42,399
Speaker 6: personal opinion, and it is anybody who tells you they

933
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:44,040
Speaker 6: know what the committee is going to do with Miami

934
00:54:44,120 --> 00:54:47,120
Speaker 6: of Ohio is lying because there really hasn't been a

935
00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:50,880
Speaker 6: case like this in living memory of a team that

936
00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:57,480
Speaker 6: is essentially so disparate in its sort of resume metrics

937
00:54:57,560 --> 00:55:01,759
Speaker 6: versus its predictive metrics in the question of how we

938
00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:04,560
Speaker 6: wait things like strength of record and strength of schedule

939
00:55:05,239 --> 00:55:07,919
Speaker 6: again and even win a bubble, I think Miami's WLOD

940
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:13,160
Speaker 6: numbers is still pretty good if memory serves again, you know,

941
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:15,239
Speaker 6: just to shear fact that they didn't play anybody, but

942
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:17,560
Speaker 6: then also acknowledging frankly that thirty one and oh is

943
00:55:17,600 --> 00:55:19,360
Speaker 6: thirty one and oh, and I'm with you, like I

944
00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:24,520
Speaker 6: did the mock selection exercise last month over at NCAA headquarters,

945
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:27,160
Speaker 6: and we were all pretty much in agreement that thirty one,

946
00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:29,640
Speaker 6: and that Miami needed to get to thirty one. And oh,

947
00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:34,680
Speaker 6: but that if Miami completed an undefeated regular season, that

948
00:55:34,719 --> 00:55:37,480
Speaker 6: should count for something, even if it doesn't necessarily show

949
00:55:37,560 --> 00:55:41,680
Speaker 6: up on the team sheets. And if that is the case,

950
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:45,000
Speaker 6: and again, I don't know what the Committee's gonna do

951
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:47,560
Speaker 6: with Miami, because you can make a compelling argument for

952
00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:52,080
Speaker 6: and a compelling argument against Miami's inclusion, and we can

953
00:55:52,120 --> 00:55:55,440
Speaker 6: get dragged down into all kinds of side quests about,

954
00:55:56,080 --> 00:55:58,640
Speaker 6: you know, the climate from mid majors and scheduling and

955
00:55:58,920 --> 00:56:04,600
Speaker 6: all these different things. If the committee, if we just

956
00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:07,800
Speaker 6: play this hypothetically for a minute, if the Committee sees

957
00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:10,239
Speaker 6: Miami and in the field because of the weight of

958
00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:13,239
Speaker 6: what they accomplished in the regular season, then know that

959
00:56:13,320 --> 00:56:16,439
Speaker 6: it's not good for Indiana. Because this is there aren't

960
00:56:16,480 --> 00:56:19,680
Speaker 6: a ton of bid dealers this year. This creates one.

961
00:56:19,719 --> 00:56:21,560
Speaker 6: If Miami is going to get in at large, the

962
00:56:21,640 --> 00:56:25,200
Speaker 6: MAC was not getting two bids before. If Miami is

963
00:56:25,239 --> 00:56:28,120
Speaker 6: going to get in at large having lost today to UMAs,

964
00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:30,759
Speaker 6: that means somebody else from the MAC gets a bid

965
00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:33,279
Speaker 6: as well. And that means somebody at the back end

966
00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:35,160
Speaker 6: of the bubble gets pumped off, so it would not

967
00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:38,560
Speaker 6: be good for Indiana if Miami stays in the field

968
00:56:38,600 --> 00:56:39,200
Speaker 6: with this loss.

969
00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:42,640
Speaker 1: Is criticism of Darren Devrees, especially if Indiana does not

970
00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:48,120
Speaker 1: get into the NCAA tournament fair, I think, I think.

971
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:51,280
Speaker 6: Any criticism let me let me think of the best metaphrases.

972
00:56:51,719 --> 00:56:53,680
Speaker 6: I think there is a level of criticism that will

973
00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:57,200
Speaker 6: always be fair at a place like Indiana, not just

974
00:56:57,280 --> 00:56:59,480
Speaker 6: the expectations, and certainly not the history, because I think

975
00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:02,560
Speaker 6: Indiana's got park the history, and I'm somebody who's written

976
00:57:02,560 --> 00:57:04,439
Speaker 6: a lot about the history and at at different times

977
00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:07,279
Speaker 6: cited the history and whatever. Indiana's got to put that

978
00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:09,359
Speaker 6: away right now, Like at the end of the day,

979
00:57:10,120 --> 00:57:12,080
Speaker 6: to let's let's live in a world where Indiana does

980
00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:14,440
Speaker 6: not make the tournament this year, It'll be two tournaments.

981
00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:17,200
Speaker 6: In ten years, It'll be four winning records in Big

982
00:57:17,280 --> 00:57:20,280
Speaker 6: Ten play. In eighteen years. Northwestern has won seven in

983
00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:23,080
Speaker 6: a row against Indiana. Northwestern has won twenty one games

984
00:57:23,120 --> 00:57:27,200
Speaker 6: against Indiana's in two thousand and three. So like there

985
00:57:27,240 --> 00:57:29,360
Speaker 6: needs to be a clear eyed understanding of like what

986
00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:32,480
Speaker 6: history is and is not doing for Indiana right now,

987
00:57:33,400 --> 00:57:38,480
Speaker 6: but purely on resources roster investments and expectations, and frankly,

988
00:57:38,600 --> 00:57:40,919
Speaker 6: just you know, one of the conversations of the sort

989
00:57:40,920 --> 00:57:43,360
Speaker 6: of run concurrence of the weakness of this bubble is

990
00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:45,840
Speaker 6: the fact that it's arguably never been easier for a

991
00:57:45,880 --> 00:57:47,960
Speaker 6: high major team to make the NCAA tournament than it

992
00:57:48,040 --> 00:57:51,520
Speaker 6: is right now. Some criticism if Indiana does not make

993
00:57:51,600 --> 00:57:54,240
Speaker 6: it is warranted. Frankly, if Indiana does make it, if

994
00:57:54,280 --> 00:57:58,360
Speaker 6: Indiana goes to Dayton, some criticism is still warrants. The question,

995
00:57:58,680 --> 00:58:01,640
Speaker 6: as ever, and and I'm one of those people that

996
00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:03,480
Speaker 6: winds up kind of talking out of both sides of

997
00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:06,640
Speaker 6: their mouth in these conversations, I understand that. But as ever,

998
00:58:06,760 --> 00:58:10,920
Speaker 6: the question is really much more how much criticism, what

999
00:58:11,120 --> 00:58:15,400
Speaker 6: criticism to what extents, because there does come a point.

1000
00:58:16,520 --> 00:58:19,080
Speaker 6: And I know fans don't like to hear this, because

1001
00:58:19,120 --> 00:58:21,360
Speaker 6: I say it to them, and I hear their reply.

1002
00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:24,480
Speaker 6: I hear their response, but I say it every time

1003
00:58:24,560 --> 00:58:26,800
Speaker 6: we get to a point like this in the calendar,

1004
00:58:27,040 --> 00:58:29,680
Speaker 6: in the sort of the mood or the temperature of

1005
00:58:29,720 --> 00:58:33,360
Speaker 6: the fan base, there comes a point where the criticism

1006
00:58:33,720 --> 00:58:38,600
Speaker 6: escalates into something that is unreasonable and then uncontrollable and

1007
00:58:38,840 --> 00:58:41,480
Speaker 6: then damaging. And I know, people don't want to hear that.

1008
00:58:42,360 --> 00:58:44,960
Speaker 6: I understand that they don't want to hear that. But

1009
00:58:45,160 --> 00:58:47,120
Speaker 6: like I've been around it, and you've been around longer

1010
00:58:47,160 --> 00:58:48,840
Speaker 6: than I have. But I've been around this program now

1011
00:58:48,880 --> 00:58:56,000
Speaker 6: for twenty one years. I've seen six different head coaches.

1012
00:58:56,880 --> 00:59:02,040
Speaker 6: I've seen I think four different athletic directs. I've seen

1013
00:59:02,080 --> 00:59:06,520
Speaker 6: the conference change, I've seen the sport change. I've seen

1014
00:59:06,640 --> 00:59:08,280
Speaker 6: quite literally the rules changed to.

1015
00:59:08,360 --> 00:59:10,200
Speaker 4: Such an extent that we now pay athletes.

1016
00:59:11,160 --> 00:59:14,680
Speaker 6: And the one constant has been that things when things

1017
00:59:14,760 --> 00:59:18,320
Speaker 6: get toxic, they get too toxic too quickly, and that

1018
00:59:18,440 --> 00:59:21,640
Speaker 6: becomes a self defeating cycle. And so I think the

1019
00:59:22,680 --> 00:59:29,760
Speaker 6: question is what is your criticism and essentially how serious

1020
00:59:29,920 --> 00:59:33,600
Speaker 6: is not the right word? How reasonable is it? Because

1021
00:59:33,640 --> 00:59:36,800
Speaker 6: there are criticisms. I think of Darren de Marie's fair ones,

1022
00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:39,640
Speaker 6: the way he constructed this roster, some of the decisions

1023
00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:42,640
Speaker 6: he were main around personnel, and ultimately the way that

1024
00:59:42,720 --> 00:59:46,960
Speaker 6: this team just absolutely, undeniably fated in the last month

1025
00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:47,520
Speaker 6: of the season.

1026
00:59:48,040 --> 00:59:51,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't understand Zach the whole. Yeah, even if

1027
00:59:51,440 --> 00:59:53,440
Speaker 1: you thought this, I don't think that it's prudent to

1028
00:59:53,600 --> 00:59:56,680
Speaker 1: say it. But going on with Don Fisher in the

1029
00:59:56,720 --> 00:59:58,560
Speaker 1: post game, as one of the members of the coaching

1030
00:59:58,600 --> 01:00:02,000
Speaker 1: staff did, to basically say that the rigors of the

1031
01:00:02,120 --> 01:00:06,479
Speaker 1: season wore out a roster that kind of that wasn't

1032
01:00:06,560 --> 01:00:10,800
Speaker 1: prepared for that. I'm paraphrasing here, but I don't know

1033
01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:12,640
Speaker 1: that I would go there and say that. I think

1034
01:00:12,680 --> 01:00:16,960
Speaker 1: that's that's an excuse personally. But let me ask you this,

1035
01:00:17,240 --> 01:00:21,280
Speaker 1: what if you had to pick what six week period

1036
01:00:21,640 --> 01:00:23,960
Speaker 1: this year was Indiana playing their best basketball.

1037
01:00:26,280 --> 01:00:28,840
Speaker 6: That's a good question I would say to your comment

1038
01:00:28,920 --> 01:00:31,240
Speaker 6: first beforehand, Dearon Deree said something very similar in his

1039
01:00:31,320 --> 01:00:33,160
Speaker 6: post game, so I wouldn't I think.

1040
01:00:33,040 --> 01:00:34,960
Speaker 4: It was Rod Clark that did Don Fisher's show it.

1041
01:00:35,520 --> 01:00:36,400
Speaker 4: Dear In Dere said.

1042
01:00:36,280 --> 01:00:37,920
Speaker 6: Something very similar in his post game, and that was

1043
01:00:37,960 --> 01:00:41,640
Speaker 6: I think really more him trying to sort of maya

1044
01:00:41,720 --> 01:00:44,959
Speaker 6: culpa and say we needed more size, we needed more depth,

1045
01:00:45,560 --> 01:00:49,920
Speaker 6: like we were not physically hardy enough, not necessarily by individual,

1046
01:00:50,080 --> 01:00:52,880
Speaker 6: but as a team for the grind that was going

1047
01:00:52,960 --> 01:00:54,760
Speaker 6: to wear down the whole roster. In VIC tim playing,

1048
01:00:54,760 --> 01:00:56,880
Speaker 6: I think what he was trying to say was that's

1049
01:00:56,920 --> 01:00:59,000
Speaker 6: on me. That is a lesson that I have learned

1050
01:00:59,120 --> 01:01:02,080
Speaker 6: and that I'm going to back into, you know, constructing

1051
01:01:02,120 --> 01:01:04,040
Speaker 6: this next roster. So I don't think it, you know,

1052
01:01:04,280 --> 01:01:06,880
Speaker 6: I didn't. I obviously didn't hear broad Clark's comments to

1053
01:01:07,240 --> 01:01:10,640
Speaker 6: Don because I was ustling through post games. But I

1054
01:01:10,840 --> 01:01:13,600
Speaker 6: suspect that was a similar sentiment. I think it was

1055
01:01:13,680 --> 01:01:16,240
Speaker 6: more of a sort of listen, this is a lesson

1056
01:01:16,320 --> 01:01:19,240
Speaker 6: that that that we had to learn, and we promised

1057
01:01:19,280 --> 01:01:23,080
Speaker 6: we learned it well. Your question about the best stretch,

1058
01:01:23,120 --> 01:01:25,600
Speaker 6: I think it was probably that stretch. I mean, they

1059
01:01:25,640 --> 01:01:28,040
Speaker 6: won five of six, and really you can make an

1060
01:01:28,080 --> 01:01:30,880
Speaker 6: argument that that the UCLA game could have gone either way,

1061
01:01:30,920 --> 01:01:32,720
Speaker 6: but also that the USC game kind of could have

1062
01:01:32,760 --> 01:01:34,200
Speaker 6: gone either way with the way that it played out

1063
01:01:34,200 --> 01:01:37,720
Speaker 6: in the last two or three minutes. That felt like

1064
01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:40,320
Speaker 6: the moment when you know, you were bringing Nick Dord

1065
01:01:40,360 --> 01:01:42,840
Speaker 6: into the offense, you were adding kind of a wing

1066
01:01:43,040 --> 01:01:45,720
Speaker 6: scorer that could operate off the ball and could you know,

1067
01:01:45,800 --> 01:01:49,720
Speaker 6: could really be dangerous due to opposing game plans. That

1068
01:01:49,920 --> 01:01:52,680
Speaker 6: felt like probably the moment when Indiana was playing the

1069
01:01:52,760 --> 01:01:57,040
Speaker 6: best and then they just ran into they ran into

1070
01:01:57,080 --> 01:02:00,280
Speaker 6: that Illinois Purdue turnaround that at the time I felt

1071
01:02:00,360 --> 01:02:02,640
Speaker 6: kind of like house money. Nobody expected them to win

1072
01:02:02,720 --> 01:02:05,560
Speaker 6: either game. You know both were kind of bad matchups

1073
01:02:05,680 --> 01:02:07,320
Speaker 6: or where they were and you know who they were

1074
01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:11,640
Speaker 6: playing and win. But it does feel like something just

1075
01:02:11,760 --> 01:02:14,280
Speaker 6: kind of started to get on top of Indiana after

1076
01:02:14,360 --> 01:02:16,320
Speaker 6: those two games that they never really got out from under.

1077
01:02:17,360 --> 01:02:20,120
Speaker 1: How different does the roster look next year? They've made

1078
01:02:20,240 --> 01:02:23,200
Speaker 1: no bones about the fact, have Darren Debriz for that matter,

1079
01:02:23,280 --> 01:02:25,760
Speaker 1: Ryan Carr that they know they need more size, they

1080
01:02:25,840 --> 01:02:29,720
Speaker 1: know they need rebounding. And then there are perhaps other

1081
01:02:29,800 --> 01:02:33,200
Speaker 1: players like a year ago, that will in fact look elsewhere.

1082
01:02:33,400 --> 01:02:36,160
Speaker 1: Is this a complete restrip of the roster?

1083
01:02:37,400 --> 01:02:39,320
Speaker 6: But I won't be complete because they have three freshmen

1084
01:02:39,400 --> 01:02:41,160
Speaker 6: coming in and I know that doesn't sound like a lot,

1085
01:02:41,240 --> 01:02:42,960
Speaker 6: but like we only have one last year, so I mean,

1086
01:02:43,000 --> 01:02:45,880
Speaker 6: you're already at a better starting point than you were

1087
01:02:45,880 --> 01:02:48,600
Speaker 6: a year ago. I would be surprised if every player

1088
01:02:48,720 --> 01:02:51,760
Speaker 6: with eligibility on this roster leave. I'm sure some will.

1089
01:02:52,720 --> 01:02:54,600
Speaker 6: I can't sit here and tell you I have firm

1090
01:02:54,640 --> 01:02:58,440
Speaker 6: predictions as to who that is or isn't, But I

1091
01:02:58,760 --> 01:03:00,960
Speaker 6: would be surprised if this just in, you know, a

1092
01:03:01,120 --> 01:03:04,200
Speaker 6: just complete and total reset the way it was a Y,

1093
01:03:04,280 --> 01:03:06,440
Speaker 6: or even anything approximating the way it was a year ago.

1094
01:03:06,600 --> 01:03:10,080
Speaker 6: I think if anything, if you're Indiana, you might even

1095
01:03:10,160 --> 01:03:12,400
Speaker 6: just want to encourage a handful of guys to stay

1096
01:03:12,480 --> 01:03:14,439
Speaker 6: so that you don't have to just completely re teach

1097
01:03:14,480 --> 01:03:15,080
Speaker 6: another roster.

1098
01:03:15,880 --> 01:03:16,400
Speaker 4: The whole thing.

1099
01:03:16,480 --> 01:03:17,520
Speaker 6: I thought there were times this.

1100
01:03:17,600 --> 01:03:21,280
Speaker 1: Season which players do not have eligibility. Which players are

1101
01:03:21,360 --> 01:03:23,200
Speaker 1: we definitively we know they're gone.

1102
01:03:23,880 --> 01:03:29,200
Speaker 6: Tucker Debris, Samuel Axis, Reed, Bailey, Lamar Wilkerson, connor Enright,

1103
01:03:29,280 --> 01:03:32,560
Speaker 6: and there was there was some question about Tayton Connorway,

1104
01:03:32,640 --> 01:03:35,480
Speaker 6: but like that was one of those he'd probably have

1105
01:03:35,680 --> 01:03:39,120
Speaker 6: to like Sue, I think to like it was that

1106
01:03:39,320 --> 01:03:41,520
Speaker 6: was not a straightforward sort of, oh, he has a

1107
01:03:41,640 --> 01:03:44,760
Speaker 6: medical year if he wanted. That was a he played

1108
01:03:44,840 --> 01:03:48,040
Speaker 6: JUCO for these years and Division four year for these years,

1109
01:03:48,120 --> 01:03:51,680
Speaker 6: and maybe the Pavia case would affect him. And I

1110
01:03:51,800 --> 01:03:54,040
Speaker 6: mean we asked him about it in the preseason and

1111
01:03:54,160 --> 01:03:56,760
Speaker 6: he was kind of like, I haven't really thought about that,

1112
01:03:57,000 --> 01:04:01,520
Speaker 6: So I don't think, like things stand, I would probably

1113
01:04:01,760 --> 01:04:04,640
Speaker 6: count Connorway in that group simply because that was not

1114
01:04:04,880 --> 01:04:07,640
Speaker 6: like a straightforward If he wants that, he can just

1115
01:04:07,680 --> 01:04:11,760
Speaker 6: snap his fingers and have that extra year. Those are

1116
01:04:11,800 --> 01:04:14,680
Speaker 6: the six that are just like they cannot return at all.

1117
01:04:15,080 --> 01:04:17,880
Speaker 6: There's obviously nobody that's, you know, I think it's fair

1118
01:04:17,920 --> 01:04:21,280
Speaker 6: to say has eligibility left that could seriously consider the draft.

1119
01:04:21,600 --> 01:04:23,360
Speaker 4: And then the question, if you know, listen, this is

1120
01:04:23,440 --> 01:04:25,560
Speaker 4: a This is more of a two way street than

1121
01:04:25,600 --> 01:04:26,080
Speaker 4: it's ever been.

1122
01:04:26,240 --> 01:04:29,000
Speaker 6: Right, Like, there's there's questions about do players want to

1123
01:04:29,080 --> 01:04:31,480
Speaker 6: enter the portal. There will also be questions about does

1124
01:04:31,560 --> 01:04:33,520
Speaker 6: Indiana want to bring some of these players back on

1125
01:04:33,600 --> 01:04:35,560
Speaker 6: the same amount that they paid them this year. And

1126
01:04:35,680 --> 01:04:38,000
Speaker 6: you might say, to some guys, we'd love to have

1127
01:04:38,120 --> 01:04:41,240
Speaker 6: you back. The number might not be the same, or

1128
01:04:41,360 --> 01:04:44,000
Speaker 6: maybe you know, the roster's gonna inflate. Everything's going to

1129
01:04:44,080 --> 01:04:45,480
Speaker 6: go up a little bit this year. The number may

1130
01:04:45,560 --> 01:04:48,720
Speaker 6: not be better relative to the way inflation goes, you know,

1131
01:04:48,840 --> 01:04:50,560
Speaker 6: from from last season to next season.

1132
01:04:51,520 --> 01:04:53,480
Speaker 4: But you do want some institutional knowledge.

1133
01:04:53,520 --> 01:04:56,440
Speaker 6: You don't want to have to repeach an entire roster

1134
01:04:56,720 --> 01:04:59,040
Speaker 6: over again, because I do think it kind of was

1135
01:04:59,200 --> 01:05:00,600
Speaker 6: it went under the right and I think it was

1136
01:05:00,680 --> 01:05:03,440
Speaker 6: something that, in fairness to Darren Debries, he never really

1137
01:05:03,520 --> 01:05:05,600
Speaker 6: brought up because I think he probably knew it would

1138
01:05:05,600 --> 01:05:07,840
Speaker 6: sound like an excuse. But I do think there were

1139
01:05:07,920 --> 01:05:09,680
Speaker 6: times this season when you could see a team that

1140
01:05:09,760 --> 01:05:12,960
Speaker 6: had not played a lot together and had not played

1141
01:05:13,280 --> 01:05:16,520
Speaker 6: much under their head coach struggling with some of the

1142
01:05:16,720 --> 01:05:21,800
Speaker 6: instinctive parts of his system and his structure that other

1143
01:05:21,880 --> 01:05:25,080
Speaker 6: than Tucker Debrie's into a great extent. Connor Enright see

1144
01:05:25,080 --> 01:05:27,720
Speaker 6: at so much time with it at Drake. Some guys

1145
01:05:27,880 --> 01:05:29,960
Speaker 6: just didn't get used too fast enough to be the

1146
01:05:30,000 --> 01:05:31,439
Speaker 6: effective as maybe they would have hoped.

1147
01:05:32,320 --> 01:05:35,200
Speaker 1: Zach Osterman is with the Indianapolis Star. He is on

1148
01:05:35,240 --> 01:05:38,480
Speaker 1: the Java House Club Brew Coffee guest line coverage of

1149
01:05:38,600 --> 01:05:41,560
Speaker 1: the Hoosiers, not just the basketball standpoint of it, but

1150
01:05:41,680 --> 01:05:44,800
Speaker 1: of course the football with the draft upcoming as well.

1151
01:05:44,920 --> 01:05:47,040
Speaker 1: Zach appreciate the time travel back safe all.

1152
01:05:46,960 --> 01:05:50,320
Speaker 4: Right, absolutely, thanks for having me as always.

1153
01:05:50,320 --> 01:05:53,240
Speaker 1: Zach Ostraman joining us on the Java House Cold Brew

1154
01:05:53,280 --> 01:05:54,920
Speaker 1: Coffee guest line. To get a reminder if you're going

1155
01:05:54,960 --> 01:05:57,160
Speaker 1: to go into one of their locations for Java House,

1156
01:05:58,080 --> 01:06:01,080
Speaker 1: They've got one on New York Street downtown in the

1157
01:06:01,160 --> 01:06:04,720
Speaker 1: Simon Building Downtown. They also have a location in Broaderpool,

1158
01:06:05,040 --> 01:06:07,960
Speaker 1: two of them in Carmel, Midtown Carmel as well as

1159
01:06:08,160 --> 01:06:10,800
Speaker 1: clay Terrace. Any of them go in ahead of time,

1160
01:06:10,800 --> 01:06:13,120
Speaker 1: whether it be food or beverage. Order on the app.

1161
01:06:13,240 --> 01:06:15,960
Speaker 1: Download the Jaba House app. Order it right there. Used

1162
01:06:15,960 --> 01:06:18,480
Speaker 1: to code Jake twenty five, twenty five percent off your

1163
01:06:18,560 --> 01:06:21,840
Speaker 1: order and it will be ready when you arrive. Now,

1164
01:06:21,880 --> 01:06:25,200
Speaker 1: when you say midtown, where is that midtown Carmel? Okay,

1165
01:06:25,520 --> 01:06:30,400
Speaker 1: that is the area. Sun King's right there, like there's

1166
01:06:30,520 --> 01:06:33,360
Speaker 1: the little square in the middle of Carmel.

1167
01:06:33,440 --> 01:06:36,000
Speaker 2: Because I know your best friend has a different meeting

1168
01:06:36,080 --> 01:06:37,000
Speaker 2: for midtown.

1169
01:06:37,480 --> 01:06:40,120
Speaker 1: He says midtown Indianapolis. There's no midtown indian It's a

1170
01:06:40,160 --> 01:06:44,480
Speaker 1: New York term. Midtown is Manhattan. There's the north side

1171
01:06:44,480 --> 01:06:46,320
Speaker 1: of Indianapolis, in the old North Side. It's very simple.

1172
01:06:47,280 --> 01:06:49,320
Speaker 1: But Derek's a New Yorker. So what's again? You know

1173
01:06:49,360 --> 01:06:50,440
Speaker 1: what I mean? He's an East Coast guy.

1174
01:06:50,480 --> 01:06:52,400
Speaker 3: It's probably as you didn't play the game of Zach.

1175
01:06:52,480 --> 01:06:54,080
Speaker 3: Let me guess where you're at on your drive.

1176
01:06:54,840 --> 01:06:57,800
Speaker 1: I could tell right there he he was just past

1177
01:06:57,840 --> 01:06:59,920
Speaker 1: the wind farms. I could tell he was.

1178
01:07:00,560 --> 01:07:04,200
Speaker 2: He was in Crown Point when he started the conversation.

1179
01:07:05,000 --> 01:07:06,680
Speaker 1: By the end, he was just past the wind farms.

1180
01:07:08,680 --> 01:07:12,120
Speaker 1: By the way, I'm exhausted by this, but I'll just

1181
01:07:12,160 --> 01:07:13,440
Speaker 1: say it and I try not to be the guy

1182
01:07:13,520 --> 01:07:19,320
Speaker 1: that takes social media stuff to the radio. But people

1183
01:07:19,440 --> 01:07:23,320
Speaker 1: that think that Notre Dame is in the Indianapolis television

1184
01:07:23,360 --> 01:07:27,600
Speaker 1: and radio market, no, you're wrong. I work in media.

1185
01:07:27,640 --> 01:07:29,840
Speaker 1: I have for a long time. South Bend is its

1186
01:07:29,880 --> 01:07:34,280
Speaker 1: own television market. Indianapolis is a different market. Notre Dame

1187
01:07:34,400 --> 01:07:37,400
Speaker 1: is a national brand. It happens to be in Indiana.

1188
01:07:37,480 --> 01:07:40,000
Speaker 1: There are fans of Notre Dame in Indiana, just as

1189
01:07:40,040 --> 01:07:42,840
Speaker 1: there are fans of Notre Dame in Columbus and Cincinnati,

1190
01:07:42,960 --> 01:07:46,240
Speaker 1: in Chicago and Saint Louis. It is a national brand.

1191
01:07:46,960 --> 01:07:48,880
Speaker 1: You should be proud of the fact that it's in Indiana.

1192
01:07:49,720 --> 01:07:52,200
Speaker 1: But it is not one of the locally covered teams

1193
01:07:52,320 --> 01:07:56,840
Speaker 1: by the local Indianapolis sports market. And despite what people

1194
01:07:57,000 --> 01:07:59,080
Speaker 1: are trying to tell me from a radio standpoint and

1195
01:07:59,120 --> 01:08:03,040
Speaker 1: television standpoint, Bloomington is in fact in the Indianapolis market.

1196
01:08:04,840 --> 01:08:07,200
Speaker 1: You can argue other stuff with me. I work at

1197
01:08:07,240 --> 01:08:08,760
Speaker 1: local media and I have for thirty years. I have

1198
01:08:08,800 --> 01:08:13,320
Speaker 1: a general idea of what I'm talking about. Just had

1199
01:08:13,360 --> 01:08:15,120
Speaker 1: to throw that out there for what that's worth. You

1200
01:08:15,200 --> 01:08:17,840
Speaker 1: ever get something that just like you're just like after

1201
01:08:17,880 --> 01:08:21,040
Speaker 1: a while, is that pesky itch and You're like, just

1202
01:08:21,160 --> 01:08:23,000
Speaker 1: just get away like a gnat eddie. You ever get

1203
01:08:23,000 --> 01:08:23,960
Speaker 1: a nat flies around you?

1204
01:08:24,240 --> 01:08:25,880
Speaker 2: Yeah? You every day twelve to three?

1205
01:08:26,080 --> 01:08:29,600
Speaker 1: Yes, thank you, that's probably true, right, uh huh. So

1206
01:08:29,800 --> 01:08:32,439
Speaker 1: Miami has been beaten.

1207
01:08:32,800 --> 01:08:36,120
Speaker 2: We do have an update on the Pacers injury report, Jake.

1208
01:08:35,960 --> 01:08:37,720
Speaker 1: All right, hold on to that because we're going to

1209
01:08:37,760 --> 01:08:39,720
Speaker 1: get to that as well as what this means with

1210
01:08:39,920 --> 01:08:43,280
Speaker 1: Miami now with a loss both of the other side.

1211
01:08:45,040 --> 01:08:47,320
Speaker 1: A lot of things happening in college basketball here in

1212
01:08:47,360 --> 01:08:50,639
Speaker 1: the last hour, for example, and this I had heard

1213
01:08:51,520 --> 01:08:56,680
Speaker 1: on Tuesday, so it's pot I don't know when this

1214
01:08:58,000 --> 01:09:02,680
Speaker 1: I guess now it's officially announced the Horizon League Basketball

1215
01:09:02,800 --> 01:09:07,360
Speaker 1: Tournament with its semi final and its championships, which were

1216
01:09:08,400 --> 01:09:12,920
Speaker 1: just Monday and Tuesday night. Right State winning it, and

1217
01:09:13,040 --> 01:09:16,320
Speaker 1: we're played at the Corteva Coliseum at the Fairgrounds. Those

1218
01:09:16,479 --> 01:09:22,840
Speaker 1: now officially moving next year to the the arena of

1219
01:09:22,840 --> 01:09:26,040
Speaker 1: the Noblesville Boom Play. And what's the name of that, eddiots.

1220
01:09:25,760 --> 01:09:27,280
Speaker 2: The arena at Anovation Mile.

1221
01:09:28,520 --> 01:09:30,240
Speaker 1: Let me make sure it's that in not the Fisher's

1222
01:09:30,240 --> 01:09:32,880
Speaker 1: Events Center. I'm pretty sure it's that one, the arena

1223
01:09:33,040 --> 01:09:39,639
Speaker 1: at Innovation Mile. Thank you. Up in Noblesville that I believe. Yes,

1224
01:09:39,760 --> 01:09:45,200
Speaker 1: in fact, that will be starting twenty twenty seven, so

1225
01:09:45,320 --> 01:09:50,280
Speaker 1: next season two through two thousand and thirty one. So

1226
01:09:50,439 --> 01:09:54,320
Speaker 1: that is the new home for the Horizon League Basketball Championship.

1227
01:09:54,400 --> 01:09:54,920
Speaker 2: Good for them.

1228
01:09:55,240 --> 01:09:57,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's cool, right, And that is I mean, listen,

1229
01:09:57,680 --> 01:10:00,760
Speaker 1: I love the coliseum. I love the history the coliseum,

1230
01:10:00,960 --> 01:10:04,479
Speaker 1: I love the legacy of thee all of it. But

1231
01:10:04,720 --> 01:10:10,920
Speaker 1: that is you know, that admittedly is significant, and that

1232
01:10:11,600 --> 01:10:15,400
Speaker 1: you know, the the Noblesville Boom Arena, which is great,

1233
01:10:15,520 --> 01:10:21,360
Speaker 1: the arena Innovation Mile. It is a slightly smaller version

1234
01:10:21,640 --> 01:10:27,320
Speaker 1: of the Fisher's Event Center, and if you get fifteen

1235
01:10:27,400 --> 01:10:29,920
Speaker 1: hundred to two thousand people in that arena, it's a

1236
01:10:29,920 --> 01:10:32,200
Speaker 1: pretty good looking crowd on television. And that's probably what

1237
01:10:32,320 --> 01:10:35,759
Speaker 1: the Horizon League is going for, truth be told. Also,

1238
01:10:36,000 --> 01:10:40,439
Speaker 1: the CBI Tournament, in terms of the non nit non

1239
01:10:40,680 --> 01:10:45,800
Speaker 1: NCAA tournament, the College Basketball Invitation Tournament has announced that

1240
01:10:45,920 --> 01:10:49,960
Speaker 1: it will not conduct a tournament this year, and thus

1241
01:10:51,040 --> 01:10:54,320
Speaker 1: seemingly that tournament and its run is complete. Illinois State

1242
01:10:54,560 --> 01:10:58,519
Speaker 1: was the winner a year ago. Now with Miami losing,

1243
01:11:00,360 --> 01:11:07,920
Speaker 1: and this becomes an interesting discussion. Does Miami have at

1244
01:11:08,080 --> 01:11:14,760
Speaker 1: thirty one to zero with an undefeated regular season. Does

1245
01:11:14,880 --> 01:11:18,800
Speaker 1: Miami have enough juice from that to get into the

1246
01:11:18,960 --> 01:11:20,080
Speaker 1: NCAA Tournament.

1247
01:11:21,080 --> 01:11:23,560
Speaker 2: Do they have enough to get in without having to

1248
01:11:23,600 --> 01:11:26,200
Speaker 2: go to Dayton? Is the question for me.

1249
01:11:28,600 --> 01:11:32,240
Speaker 1: I would think they may go to Dayton. Right. Here's

1250
01:11:32,280 --> 01:11:38,519
Speaker 1: the thing. Their schedule is not great, no doubt. They

1251
01:11:38,560 --> 01:11:41,880
Speaker 1: did beat Wright State, who is who won a conference tournament, right,

1252
01:11:42,960 --> 01:11:45,880
Speaker 1: but their strength of schedule and those things not great.

1253
01:11:46,200 --> 01:11:52,360
Speaker 1: But this is such in a year. It's almost like

1254
01:11:52,479 --> 01:11:59,160
Speaker 1: the basketball gods have gotten rumor and you know word

1255
01:12:00,120 --> 01:12:04,519
Speaker 1: that the NCAA Tournament is looking to expand, and they said,

1256
01:12:04,560 --> 01:12:07,519
Speaker 1: you know what, if they're talking about expanding, then what

1257
01:12:07,680 --> 01:12:12,479
Speaker 1: we need to do is make absolutely certain that in

1258
01:12:12,640 --> 01:12:17,960
Speaker 1: twenty twenty six we absolutely present it where the bottom

1259
01:12:18,040 --> 01:12:21,479
Speaker 1: teams do everything they can to not get in. Because

1260
01:12:21,520 --> 01:12:24,839
Speaker 1: if there's a year to talk about expanding the NCAA Tournament,

1261
01:12:25,160 --> 01:12:27,479
Speaker 1: this ain't the year to have that discussion because the

1262
01:12:27,600 --> 01:12:30,200
Speaker 1: teams that are sitting there trying to buy their way in,

1263
01:12:32,160 --> 01:12:38,920
Speaker 1: they all look like there's this like magic barrier and

1264
01:12:38,960 --> 01:12:41,160
Speaker 1: none of them want to cross over into it. The

1265
01:12:41,320 --> 01:12:45,280
Speaker 1: last four in right now, and I do think that

1266
01:12:45,439 --> 01:12:48,439
Speaker 1: I'm going by bracketology and Joelnardi. But this is always

1267
01:12:48,479 --> 01:12:52,040
Speaker 1: a I mean, it's he's it's not rocket signs number one,

1268
01:12:52,120 --> 01:12:54,040
Speaker 1: but he uses the same formula and his stuff is

1269
01:12:54,160 --> 01:12:58,599
Speaker 1: usually like right there at a really good projection. Okay,

1270
01:12:59,200 --> 01:13:04,839
Speaker 1: The last four in Missouri, Virginia, Commonwealth, SMU, and Auburn.

1271
01:13:06,600 --> 01:13:10,320
Speaker 1: Auburn is I mean, what's Auburn's record, aren't they like

1272
01:13:10,479 --> 01:13:14,840
Speaker 1: sixteen and fourteen? And none of these teams are on

1273
01:13:14,960 --> 01:13:19,560
Speaker 1: a heater necessarily. The last four buys, these are the

1274
01:13:19,600 --> 01:13:21,600
Speaker 1: two So those four that I just mentioned would be

1275
01:13:21,600 --> 01:13:26,160
Speaker 1: going to Dayton, Missouri, Virginia, Commonwealth, SMU, and Auburn. The

1276
01:13:26,280 --> 01:13:28,840
Speaker 1: last four buys, so the last four that are safely

1277
01:13:28,920 --> 01:13:31,320
Speaker 1: in and don't have to go to Dayton in c State,

1278
01:13:31,840 --> 01:13:39,200
Speaker 1: Central Florida, Santa Clara, and Texas. Okay, now the first

1279
01:13:39,280 --> 01:13:45,000
Speaker 1: four out Indiana, New Mexico, Stanford and San Diego State

1280
01:13:45,760 --> 01:13:49,200
Speaker 1: and Indiana. Now their work is done. They got to

1281
01:13:49,240 --> 01:13:54,479
Speaker 1: sit and just wait. If the MAC winner obviously the

1282
01:13:54,560 --> 01:13:58,880
Speaker 1: macwinner automatically gets in. If Miami gets in because they

1283
01:13:58,920 --> 01:14:01,360
Speaker 1: had an undefeated regular season, then you have a big

1284
01:14:01,439 --> 01:14:07,519
Speaker 1: steeler right there. It doesn't look good for Indiana there's

1285
01:14:07,560 --> 01:14:10,920
Speaker 1: no question about that. But I do think, and I

1286
01:14:11,040 --> 01:14:17,200
Speaker 1: will die on this hill, Miami going undefeated in the

1287
01:14:17,280 --> 01:14:23,920
Speaker 1: regular season should earn them the trip. Bottom line, it

1288
01:14:24,000 --> 01:14:30,040
Speaker 1: should earn them the trip because since nineteen seventy six

1289
01:14:30,120 --> 01:14:34,080
Speaker 1: we've talked about this, Eddie, there are how many teams

1290
01:14:34,160 --> 01:14:37,679
Speaker 1: in Division I college basketball. I don't have no idea

1291
01:14:37,920 --> 01:14:42,120
Speaker 1: three hundred and three something like that. In the last

1292
01:14:42,560 --> 01:14:47,200
Speaker 1: fifty seasons, three hundred and sixty five. Okay, Now it

1293
01:14:47,280 --> 01:14:51,519
Speaker 1: hasn't always been that number, obviously, but in the last

1294
01:14:52,160 --> 01:15:02,240
Speaker 1: fifty seasons, fifty there have been three hundred teams on

1295
01:15:02,400 --> 01:15:10,639
Speaker 1: average per year starting their season. Six not six total

1296
01:15:10,760 --> 01:15:20,920
Speaker 1: teams have had an unbeaten regular season. Six. That alone

1297
01:15:21,400 --> 01:15:23,960
Speaker 1: merits getting you in because you I don't care who

1298
01:15:24,000 --> 01:15:27,760
Speaker 1: you're playing. I don't care who you're playing. You play

1299
01:15:27,840 --> 01:15:31,280
Speaker 1: the teams in your league. You beat everyone in your

1300
01:15:31,360 --> 01:15:34,280
Speaker 1: league in the regular season. Yeah, okay, sure, they just

1301
01:15:34,439 --> 01:15:37,040
Speaker 1: lost by four points to a team coached by a

1302
01:15:37,120 --> 01:15:40,599
Speaker 1: guy who's coached in a Final four, to a school

1303
01:15:40,680 --> 01:15:45,760
Speaker 1: that's been to a Final four. Okay, so I think

1304
01:15:45,800 --> 01:15:50,679
Speaker 1: Miami's in. Maybe I'm naive, but that's a big stealer.

1305
01:15:50,800 --> 01:15:53,400
Speaker 1: If they are like Zach just said. Now, as for

1306
01:15:53,479 --> 01:15:55,720
Speaker 1: the Pacers tonight, Eddie, tell me who's in and who's out.

1307
01:15:56,360 --> 01:15:57,840
Speaker 1: Give me the player and I'm gonna tell you in

1308
01:15:58,160 --> 01:16:02,080
Speaker 1: or out, and then you buzz if I'm correct. Okay.

1309
01:16:02,320 --> 01:16:04,719
Speaker 3: Like to go back, for example, to that undefeated season

1310
01:16:04,840 --> 01:16:09,080
Speaker 3: for regular season that is for Wichita and their non

1311
01:16:09,240 --> 01:16:16,240
Speaker 3: con they had played DePaul Iowa and Tennessee. Okay, So Eric,

1312
01:16:16,360 --> 01:16:18,680
Speaker 3: I'm looking at the wrong season. That actually might help

1313
01:16:18,680 --> 01:16:20,960
Speaker 3: because I was like they lost to Tennessee there. But here,

1314
01:16:21,000 --> 01:16:23,280
Speaker 3: I'll give you the updated injury report. I'll let you guess.

1315
01:16:24,040 --> 01:16:24,200
Speaker 5: Uh.

1316
01:16:24,880 --> 01:16:30,799
Speaker 1: Vitza Zubats Okay, I'm gonna say that he is listed

1317
01:16:30,880 --> 01:16:40,080
Speaker 1: as questionable. Yes, Quentin Jackson he's out, That is correct.

1318
01:16:40,920 --> 01:16:42,160
Speaker 1: TJ McConnell.

1319
01:16:43,680 --> 01:16:51,599
Speaker 3: Out questionable, Andrew nim Hard questionable correct, Uh, Aaron Smith.

1320
01:16:52,920 --> 01:16:59,960
Speaker 1: Questionable and Pascal Siakam out. Yes, so Sam's out, that's

1321
01:17:00,040 --> 01:17:01,640
Speaker 1: the only one in. Quinton Jackson's out.

1322
01:17:01,760 --> 01:17:01,880
Speaker 4: Yes.

1323
01:17:01,920 --> 01:17:04,400
Speaker 2: They were listened to as doubtful yesterday today.

1324
01:17:04,600 --> 01:17:05,479
Speaker 1: Now out.

1325
01:17:08,960 --> 01:17:09,200
Speaker 4: Do you?

1326
01:17:09,439 --> 01:17:16,519
Speaker 1: Okay? Siakam's injury is now listed as what like right

1327
01:17:16,560 --> 01:17:18,479
Speaker 1: there where he's listed? What are they listing the injury

1328
01:17:18,560 --> 01:17:23,000
Speaker 1: as right in the spring. Okay, do you think that's

1329
01:17:23,920 --> 01:17:26,760
Speaker 1: if this were a regular season where they're vying for,

1330
01:17:27,200 --> 01:17:29,639
Speaker 1: you know, a four or five seed in the playoffs,

1331
01:17:30,000 --> 01:17:36,439
Speaker 1: do you think he plays Probably. I have a question

1332
01:17:36,560 --> 01:17:38,240
Speaker 1: about college basketball locally, and.

1333
01:17:38,240 --> 01:17:40,040
Speaker 3: By the way, to go back to that Wichita State

1334
01:17:40,080 --> 01:17:42,280
Speaker 3: team that was undefeated in their non conference schedule to

1335
01:17:42,360 --> 01:17:47,720
Speaker 3: beat Tennessee Alabama BYU Saint Louis de Paul. So it's

1336
01:17:47,760 --> 01:17:51,280
Speaker 3: not like I mean when Wichita State did it against

1337
01:17:51,560 --> 01:17:53,600
Speaker 3: I get it. Teams like Miami DA, I get it.

1338
01:17:53,640 --> 01:17:57,160
Speaker 3: But what I'm saying is eddie teams out of the

1339
01:17:57,240 --> 01:18:02,439
Speaker 3: Ohio Valley, teams out of a Summit League, teams out

1340
01:18:02,479 --> 01:18:07,960
Speaker 3: of the Horizon, teams out of the Swack, they don't

1341
01:18:08,000 --> 01:18:08,160
Speaker 3: do it.

1342
01:18:10,560 --> 01:18:11,519
Speaker 1: You still are playing.

1343
01:18:13,520 --> 01:18:15,920
Speaker 3: Most of those teams are playing the Power five schools,

1344
01:18:15,960 --> 01:18:19,240
Speaker 3: though in they're non conference, and that's why they aren't

1345
01:18:19,439 --> 01:18:20,320
Speaker 3: undefeated during.

1346
01:18:20,479 --> 01:18:23,680
Speaker 1: Even an undefeated regular season within your league. I know

1347
01:18:23,760 --> 01:18:25,760
Speaker 1: that they got beat in their conference tournament, but within

1348
01:18:25,800 --> 01:18:30,040
Speaker 1: your league it is that's incredibly rare because you're facing

1349
01:18:30,160 --> 01:18:33,439
Speaker 1: teams that know your tendencies, that see you, that have

1350
01:18:34,600 --> 01:18:37,719
Speaker 1: familiarity with the way you play, your weaknesses, et cetera.

1351
01:18:38,080 --> 01:18:40,720
Speaker 1: I just and it's not like the MAC. I mean,

1352
01:18:40,760 --> 01:18:43,360
Speaker 1: the MAC is not I mean, the MAC is a

1353
01:18:43,520 --> 01:18:46,080
Speaker 1: decent league. The MAC has seen and I know I'm

1354
01:18:46,120 --> 01:18:48,360
Speaker 1: going back thirty years, but over the last thirty years,

1355
01:18:48,840 --> 01:18:50,640
Speaker 1: the MAC has had how many different schools that have

1356
01:18:50,680 --> 01:18:54,280
Speaker 1: made a Sweet sixteen. Eastern Michigan's been to the Sweet sixteen,

1357
01:18:54,880 --> 01:18:56,840
Speaker 1: Ball State's been to I mean, I guess you can

1358
01:18:56,920 --> 01:18:59,120
Speaker 1: back thirty five for Ball State. Ball State's been to

1359
01:18:59,160 --> 01:19:01,719
Speaker 1: a Sweet sixteen. May of Ohio's been to Sweet sixteen.

1360
01:19:02,760 --> 01:19:04,960
Speaker 1: I mean, they've had a number of different teams that

1361
01:19:05,040 --> 01:19:08,320
Speaker 1: have put together good teams. Kent State's been too. Sweet sixteen.

1362
01:19:10,760 --> 01:19:14,160
Speaker 1: You're undefeated in your regular season, you play the teams

1363
01:19:14,200 --> 01:19:17,720
Speaker 1: that are on your schedule now A big part of

1364
01:19:18,479 --> 01:19:21,960
Speaker 1: you know, first off, I do think the Mobile is

1365
01:19:22,000 --> 01:19:23,880
Speaker 1: a better league than the MAC or a bigger league

1366
01:19:23,920 --> 01:19:26,080
Speaker 1: and easier for Wichita State to go out and play

1367
01:19:26,120 --> 01:19:28,040
Speaker 1: in those games. They're probably in some tournaments. They're probably

1368
01:19:28,080 --> 01:19:30,960
Speaker 1: neutral site games some of those because it's really hard

1369
01:19:31,000 --> 01:19:32,960
Speaker 1: for those teams to get a home and home It's

1370
01:19:33,040 --> 01:19:35,960
Speaker 1: really hard. If you think about the old days of

1371
01:19:36,040 --> 01:19:39,840
Speaker 1: the Hoosier Classic. In the Indiana Classic, Indiana would play

1372
01:19:40,520 --> 01:19:46,320
Speaker 1: al Corn State, and you know Mississippi Valley and u

1373
01:19:46,400 --> 01:19:50,439
Speaker 1: n C. Wilmington and Dayton. The reason they were playing

1374
01:19:50,479 --> 01:19:52,280
Speaker 1: a lot of those teams. Dayton's a good program, but

1375
01:19:52,320 --> 01:19:54,280
Speaker 1: the reason they're playing a lot of those teams is

1376
01:19:54,320 --> 01:19:57,120
Speaker 1: because Bob Knight had a coaching or a friend relationship

1377
01:19:57,520 --> 01:19:59,840
Speaker 1: with different coaches of those schools and he's dropping them

1378
01:19:59,840 --> 01:20:03,599
Speaker 1: a and given them a solid But even those one

1379
01:20:03,640 --> 01:20:06,640
Speaker 1: of those tournaments was at Market Square every year and

1380
01:20:06,720 --> 01:20:10,960
Speaker 1: the other Assembly Hall. But outside of those things, it's

1381
01:20:11,120 --> 01:20:14,880
Speaker 1: hard for these teams to schedule teams because it means

1382
01:20:14,920 --> 01:20:16,800
Speaker 1: it's got to be a home and home and they

1383
01:20:16,960 --> 01:20:20,080
Speaker 1: find that people don't want to then, I mean, there's

1384
01:20:20,160 --> 01:20:23,439
Speaker 1: nothing to be gained. If Miami wanted to do and

1385
01:20:23,560 --> 01:20:28,439
Speaker 1: schedule Michigan State or Ohio State, then typically that means

1386
01:20:28,479 --> 01:20:30,880
Speaker 1: that in a home and home, eventually that school is

1387
01:20:31,000 --> 01:20:33,080
Speaker 1: then going to come and they're like, why would I

1388
01:20:33,120 --> 01:20:38,040
Speaker 1: go to Miami. There's nothing to be gained? You know.

1389
01:20:38,160 --> 01:20:41,680
Speaker 1: That's that's the thing that comes into play. But there

1390
01:20:41,880 --> 01:20:45,640
Speaker 1: is a big question in college basketball locally that we

1391
01:20:45,920 --> 01:20:52,559
Speaker 1: just kind of haven't gotten to until now. Next. Let

1392
01:20:52,600 --> 01:20:58,519
Speaker 1: me begin this point with a brief story. If you will.

1393
01:21:02,200 --> 01:21:05,960
Speaker 1: Years ago, and this would have been ninety nine, two

1394
01:21:06,080 --> 01:21:10,479
Speaker 1: thousand and ninety nine. I think I was working at

1395
01:21:10,560 --> 01:21:15,200
Speaker 1: Channel six. I was, you know, just doing whatever I

1396
01:21:15,360 --> 01:21:18,160
Speaker 1: needed to do to try to be a part of

1397
01:21:18,200 --> 01:21:22,640
Speaker 1: the team, so to speak. And word got out that

1398
01:21:24,600 --> 01:21:27,800
Speaker 1: Barry Collier was a front runner for the Nebraska job,

1399
01:21:30,160 --> 01:21:33,880
Speaker 1: and everybody's kind of scrambling, like, man, you know, is

1400
01:21:34,000 --> 01:21:37,080
Speaker 1: Butler going to lose their coach? And this was right

1401
01:21:37,160 --> 01:21:40,240
Speaker 1: when Butler started to make their rise and Barry Collier

1402
01:21:40,280 --> 01:21:46,559
Speaker 1: had done just a remarkable job. And we got wind

1403
01:21:46,920 --> 01:21:51,320
Speaker 1: or got words somehow that Barry Collier was having a

1404
01:21:51,400 --> 01:21:55,680
Speaker 1: dinner party at his house, and so I went with

1405
01:21:55,800 --> 01:21:58,840
Speaker 1: a photographer that Ed Sorenson basically said like, you know, hey,

1406
01:21:58,840 --> 01:22:00,600
Speaker 1: I got to put my show together. I'm gonna hit

1407
01:22:00,640 --> 01:22:03,800
Speaker 1: you a microphone and go with Otis Jones or whoever

1408
01:22:03,840 --> 01:22:05,880
Speaker 1: it was, and go to Barry Collier's house and try

1409
01:22:05,880 --> 01:22:10,960
Speaker 1: to interview him and see if he's leaving Butler. So

1410
01:22:11,160 --> 01:22:13,320
Speaker 1: we go there and Barry Collier, I could not have

1411
01:22:13,360 --> 01:22:15,240
Speaker 1: been nicer, and I think there was another TV station

1412
01:22:15,320 --> 01:22:18,000
Speaker 1: that was with us actually could have been nicer, came

1413
01:22:18,040 --> 01:22:20,479
Speaker 1: out on his front porch and kind of gave vague

1414
01:22:20,479 --> 01:22:22,800
Speaker 1: answers whatever else, and then it was off and running.

1415
01:22:23,560 --> 01:22:25,920
Speaker 1: And once it was determined, I can't remember if he

1416
01:22:26,000 --> 01:22:28,240
Speaker 1: said that night, yes, in fact, I'm going to Nebraska,

1417
01:22:28,479 --> 01:22:32,200
Speaker 1: or what the timeline was. But then the question became,

1418
01:22:33,439 --> 01:22:39,800
Speaker 1: so where does Butler turn? And I remember going back

1419
01:22:39,800 --> 01:22:43,200
Speaker 1: to the to Hinklefield House to interview assistant coaches about

1420
01:22:43,280 --> 01:22:50,719
Speaker 1: this news, and this young, very personable, likable assistant coach

1421
01:22:51,760 --> 01:22:56,960
Speaker 1: holds all of us into his office basically says, guys, like,

1422
01:22:57,400 --> 01:23:00,320
Speaker 1: I want this job, man, I really want this job.

1423
01:23:01,360 --> 01:23:04,479
Speaker 1: I'm not saying, but like, can you you know, don't

1424
01:23:04,560 --> 01:23:05,920
Speaker 1: rule it out because I think I can do a

1425
01:23:05,960 --> 01:23:09,479
Speaker 1: good job. And it was stab Mada, young coach, and

1426
01:23:09,680 --> 01:23:12,599
Speaker 1: he got the job, and then obviously very shortly thereafter,

1427
01:23:12,880 --> 01:23:17,040
Speaker 1: went to Xavier. And when he was at Xavier, Xavier

1428
01:23:17,360 --> 01:23:21,000
Speaker 1: was the host facility for the Pacers training camp before

1429
01:23:21,120 --> 01:23:24,000
Speaker 1: the Pacers season began, So all of us in the

1430
01:23:24,040 --> 01:23:27,920
Speaker 1: local media went to the Cintas Center to cover the

1431
01:23:28,000 --> 01:23:30,880
Speaker 1: Pacers and there's Thad Mada, who obviously we knew by

1432
01:23:30,960 --> 01:23:34,240
Speaker 1: then because he had been with Butler and taking them

1433
01:23:34,240 --> 01:23:36,080
Speaker 1: to Kansas City in the tournament where they blew out

1434
01:23:36,120 --> 01:23:37,960
Speaker 1: wag for us. The lost to Arizona and then he

1435
01:23:38,000 --> 01:23:43,200
Speaker 1: gets the Xavier job. So and he's when I say

1436
01:23:43,280 --> 01:23:45,560
Speaker 1: he's basically one of us. I mean like he was

1437
01:23:45,680 --> 01:23:48,400
Speaker 1: just like this guy that was he was super thrilled

1438
01:23:48,439 --> 01:23:49,880
Speaker 1: to be there. He's like, guys, man, you got to

1439
01:23:49,960 --> 01:23:51,960
Speaker 1: check out. Let me show you around the Cintas Center.

1440
01:23:51,960 --> 01:23:54,120
Speaker 1: And he was really proud of showing off that new arena.

1441
01:23:54,280 --> 01:23:57,000
Speaker 1: And he wanted us to see his office. He couldn't

1442
01:23:57,000 --> 01:23:59,160
Speaker 1: believe he had the office. He was just a good

1443
01:23:59,280 --> 01:24:02,560
Speaker 1: dude all the way and always has been. And of

1444
01:24:02,640 --> 01:24:07,400
Speaker 1: course he's gone on to a fantastic coaching career, five

1445
01:24:07,479 --> 01:24:12,720
Speaker 1: hundred and two wins, you know, just a truly a

1446
01:24:12,920 --> 01:24:16,280
Speaker 1: great coach with a great resume, final fours you name it,

1447
01:24:16,360 --> 01:24:21,200
Speaker 1: at Ohio State and then back at Butler. So I

1448
01:24:21,400 --> 01:24:26,639
Speaker 1: have the utmost respect for that Mada. And in addition

1449
01:24:26,760 --> 01:24:30,920
Speaker 1: to that belief in that Mada, and I feel like

1450
01:24:31,000 --> 01:24:33,800
Speaker 1: Butler now after their ninety one eighty one loss to

1451
01:24:34,000 --> 01:24:37,920
Speaker 1: end their season, they finished the year having dropped fourteen

1452
01:24:37,960 --> 01:24:40,479
Speaker 1: to their final twenty one games. They started nine to two,

1453
01:24:40,800 --> 01:24:43,000
Speaker 1: they ended in sixteen and sixteen. And I know it's

1454
01:24:43,080 --> 01:24:46,040
Speaker 1: tough to lose a point guard, and they went through

1455
01:24:46,120 --> 01:24:50,799
Speaker 1: some they went through some stuff. But I do wonder

1456
01:24:52,960 --> 01:24:56,439
Speaker 1: what the future for that Mada and Butler is. And

1457
01:24:56,560 --> 01:25:01,519
Speaker 1: I don't wonder that from the Butler standpoint. I don't

1458
01:25:01,560 --> 01:25:07,759
Speaker 1: wonder that thinking it is or should Butler gonna fire

1459
01:25:07,840 --> 01:25:10,920
Speaker 1: Thad Mada. I don't think that. What I think is,

1460
01:25:11,080 --> 01:25:17,400
Speaker 1: if I'm Fad Mada, I'm thinking how much money does

1461
01:25:17,479 --> 01:25:17,720
Speaker 1: he have.

1462
01:25:19,320 --> 01:25:19,720
Speaker 4: Or need?

1463
01:25:22,160 --> 01:25:27,439
Speaker 1: His health was a factor in the end of Ohio

1464
01:25:27,600 --> 01:25:31,360
Speaker 1: State and if you watch him, you know, I mean,

1465
01:25:31,439 --> 01:25:36,640
Speaker 1: it's well documented his back issue and he had to

1466
01:25:36,720 --> 01:25:39,840
Speaker 1: go through numerous games before he got win number five

1467
01:25:39,920 --> 01:25:44,040
Speaker 1: hundred of trying that out, you know, waiting and waiting

1468
01:25:44,120 --> 01:25:45,240
Speaker 1: to get that five hundred t win.

1469
01:25:45,360 --> 01:25:45,800
Speaker 4: He got it.

1470
01:25:45,880 --> 01:25:49,519
Speaker 1: He's at five oh two now. But think about what

1471
01:25:49,720 --> 01:25:56,439
Speaker 1: Danny Hurley said about Butler, and think about what Danny

1472
01:25:56,520 --> 01:26:04,440
Speaker 1: Hurley said after the Butler game to the media. Connecticut

1473
01:26:04,720 --> 01:26:10,360
Speaker 1: defeats that Mada in Butler and at the mid court

1474
01:26:10,720 --> 01:26:14,400
Speaker 1: after the game, in the handshake line, Danny Hurley speaks

1475
01:26:14,600 --> 01:26:18,679
Speaker 1: to that Mada for I mean longer than a normal handshake.

1476
01:26:20,560 --> 01:26:24,840
Speaker 1: Then he goes on television and says, you know, hey,

1477
01:26:24,920 --> 01:26:27,599
Speaker 1: this guy is a great coach with resources, and then

1478
01:26:27,680 --> 01:26:30,160
Speaker 1: he holds a press conference or in the postgame press

1479
01:26:30,160 --> 01:26:31,400
Speaker 1: conference says this, I.

1480
01:26:31,439 --> 01:26:33,519
Speaker 7: Have an idea of what they've spent. I have an

1481
01:26:33,560 --> 01:26:35,840
Speaker 7: idea what they spent. And he should get Big East

1482
01:26:35,840 --> 01:26:38,000
Speaker 7: Coach of the Year for what he's what he did

1483
01:26:38,040 --> 01:26:39,840
Speaker 7: with that team in a non conference before he lost

1484
01:26:39,880 --> 01:26:41,519
Speaker 7: his starting point guard and then before he lost his

1485
01:26:41,640 --> 01:26:43,920
Speaker 7: now he's lost his backup point guard. You know that

1486
01:26:44,080 --> 01:26:47,559
Speaker 7: that guy. You know what, Like I coached against coach

1487
01:26:47,600 --> 01:26:49,840
Speaker 7: when he was at Ohio State. I obviously followed him

1488
01:26:49,840 --> 01:26:51,840
Speaker 7: when he was at Butler, when I was at Rhady.

1489
01:26:53,360 --> 01:26:56,160
Speaker 7: You know, he went, uh, you know, he beat my ass.

1490
01:26:56,840 --> 01:26:58,439
Speaker 7: You know, I think in year one or year or

1491
01:26:58,439 --> 01:27:02,040
Speaker 7: two there, you know, one of his great Ohio State teams.

1492
01:27:02,080 --> 01:27:05,920
Speaker 7: I mean when it was college basketball, recruiting, developing culture,

1493
01:27:06,120 --> 01:27:09,519
Speaker 7: building a program, player development, you know, before this turned

1494
01:27:09,560 --> 01:27:12,320
Speaker 7: into the G League. You know, he he he was,

1495
01:27:13,000 --> 01:27:15,240
Speaker 7: you know, one of the best coaches. So if you

1496
01:27:15,400 --> 01:27:19,439
Speaker 7: give him money and uh, you know, you give him

1497
01:27:19,520 --> 01:27:23,719
Speaker 7: eight nine million dollars a year or more to actually

1498
01:27:24,240 --> 01:27:27,439
Speaker 7: you know, a build a team, uh that that can

1499
01:27:27,600 --> 01:27:30,240
Speaker 7: compete for championships, he'll do it as good as any

1500
01:27:30,280 --> 01:27:31,800
Speaker 7: of the coaches in the Big East. He's as good

1501
01:27:31,800 --> 01:27:33,320
Speaker 7: as any coach in our league.

1502
01:27:34,320 --> 01:27:39,560
Speaker 1: And I began to wonder, and I say this in

1503
01:27:39,680 --> 01:27:43,160
Speaker 1: total support of it, knowing that when he was a

1504
01:27:43,280 --> 01:27:46,519
Speaker 1: young coach that wanted that job, that fav Mada was

1505
01:27:46,600 --> 01:27:49,360
Speaker 1: not afraid to say, guys, can you speak on my

1506
01:27:49,479 --> 01:27:57,080
Speaker 1: behalf or can you mention me as a candidate? Is

1507
01:27:57,160 --> 01:27:59,240
Speaker 1: it possible that when he spoke to Danny Hurley at

1508
01:27:59,280 --> 01:28:01,599
Speaker 1: some point, maybe even just as buddies, that he said

1509
01:28:02,280 --> 01:28:04,559
Speaker 1: and didn't say, hey, can you have my back here

1510
01:28:04,680 --> 01:28:07,800
Speaker 1: and speak this out? But did he voice that to

1511
01:28:07,920 --> 01:28:10,400
Speaker 1: Danny Hurley, and thus Danny Hurley voices it to the world.

1512
01:28:12,400 --> 01:28:14,960
Speaker 1: It wouldn't surprise me at all if that Moda just decides,

1513
01:28:15,000 --> 01:28:17,200
Speaker 1: you know what, it's been a great run. I've made

1514
01:28:17,200 --> 01:28:19,240
Speaker 1: a ton of money, I've won five hundred games now

1515
01:28:19,840 --> 01:28:21,519
Speaker 1: and I was able to finish it at the place

1516
01:28:21,600 --> 01:28:25,519
Speaker 1: that I love, where it started. And if that's the case,

1517
01:28:25,720 --> 01:28:29,400
Speaker 1: then I think Butler needs to say we're in the

1518
01:28:29,439 --> 01:28:31,720
Speaker 1: Big East now, we're doing a national search and it

1519
01:28:31,800 --> 01:28:36,920
Speaker 1: doesn't always have to stay in the family. Let's see

1520
01:28:36,960 --> 01:28:40,120
Speaker 1: what's out there now, what also is out there by

1521
01:28:40,160 --> 01:28:43,200
Speaker 1: the way, is indoor football here in the area of

1522
01:28:43,240 --> 01:28:45,400
Speaker 1: Fisher's Freight getting ready to get underway, Eddie, we have

1523
01:28:45,479 --> 01:28:48,560
Speaker 1: tickets to give away. Correct, that is correct, Jake, we

1524
01:28:49,040 --> 01:28:50,360
Speaker 1: will do that in what fashion?

1525
01:28:51,120 --> 01:28:52,800
Speaker 2: We'll do it on the tech side three one seven,

1526
01:28:54,200 --> 01:28:54,880
Speaker 2: All right, we'll.

1527
01:28:54,760 --> 01:28:56,880
Speaker 1: Do that right now. Call her or a Texter number?

1528
01:28:56,920 --> 01:28:58,360
Speaker 1: What at two nine, ten seventy.

1529
01:28:58,840 --> 01:29:01,880
Speaker 3: Let's go with fourteen because this game is being played

1530
01:29:01,920 --> 01:29:05,080
Speaker 3: on the fourteenth, which is Saturday, kickoff five pm. Fan

1531
01:29:05,160 --> 01:29:10,439
Speaker 3: Fest pregame party starts at four at the Fishers Event Center.

1532
01:29:10,840 --> 01:29:14,120
Speaker 1: So Texter number fourteen two three nine, ten seventy, you

1533
01:29:14,240 --> 01:29:17,160
Speaker 1: were on your way to see the Fishers freight. We

1534
01:29:17,320 --> 01:29:20,639
Speaker 1: come back, what happened yesterday in Chicago and what will

1535
01:29:20,680 --> 01:29:25,400
Speaker 1: happen tonight in terms of the Big Ten. By the way,

1536
01:29:25,479 --> 01:29:32,439
Speaker 1: this makes sense that if Butler had an opening, that

1537
01:29:33,760 --> 01:29:40,080
Speaker 1: the man who just guided Miami to an unbeaten regular season, Steele,

1538
01:29:40,120 --> 01:29:42,439
Speaker 1: would be a candidate for Butler. That makes perfect sense.

1539
01:29:42,520 --> 01:29:43,160
Speaker 2: Travis Steel.

1540
01:29:43,320 --> 01:29:48,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean obviously a local guy. That would certainly

1541
01:29:48,840 --> 01:29:54,200
Speaker 1: make sense. I feel like, and I know that when

1542
01:29:54,200 --> 01:29:56,479
Speaker 1: we've had people on to talk Butler that this has

1543
01:29:56,600 --> 01:30:04,719
Speaker 1: been somewhat dismiss my theory here, but I've always felt

1544
01:30:04,760 --> 01:30:11,040
Speaker 1: like the Butler job, the challenge is this weird in between.

1545
01:30:11,200 --> 01:30:14,880
Speaker 1: And I totally understand why Butler went to the Big East.

1546
01:30:15,560 --> 01:30:22,920
Speaker 1: I completely get it. You almost had to. The television

1547
01:30:23,000 --> 01:30:29,519
Speaker 1: money alone. The television money alone is one that you're like,

1548
01:30:31,280 --> 01:30:33,439
Speaker 1: I totally get why they would have to do that.

1549
01:30:33,960 --> 01:30:42,080
Speaker 1: They had to do it. However, my concern for Butler

1550
01:30:42,439 --> 01:30:44,519
Speaker 1: in terms of its match for the Big East has

1551
01:30:44,600 --> 01:30:47,280
Speaker 1: always been and will always be, even if I'm like

1552
01:30:47,360 --> 01:30:52,519
Speaker 1: glaringly wrong. It's just I've always felt this way. I

1553
01:30:52,680 --> 01:30:55,680
Speaker 1: know that in today's basketball climate and culture, I need

1554
01:30:55,760 --> 01:30:59,280
Speaker 1: to deprogram myself from the line of thinking that like

1555
01:30:59,439 --> 01:31:05,879
Speaker 1: proximity and home sentimentality and those things are factors in recruiting.

1556
01:31:08,040 --> 01:31:11,800
Speaker 1: Because the thing that I have to remind myself in

1557
01:31:11,920 --> 01:31:18,120
Speaker 1: today's world by the time a player, if they're a

1558
01:31:18,160 --> 01:31:26,760
Speaker 1: big time recruit, gets to the point of their sophomore

1559
01:31:26,880 --> 01:31:28,800
Speaker 1: or junior year in high school. First off, if you're

1560
01:31:28,800 --> 01:31:30,800
Speaker 1: a sophomore in high school and you haven't already made

1561
01:31:30,840 --> 01:31:36,360
Speaker 1: a commitment, it's like what in the world, And but

1562
01:31:36,479 --> 01:31:40,760
Speaker 1: you have already played the days of hey did you hear?

1563
01:31:40,920 --> 01:31:46,120
Speaker 1: Because you notice now when a recruit commits somewhere, more

1564
01:31:46,200 --> 01:31:50,920
Speaker 1: often than not, it's no longer Eddie Garrison of Indianapolis

1565
01:31:51,000 --> 01:31:57,640
Speaker 1: Decatur Central has committed. It's Eddie Garrison of you know,

1566
01:31:58,479 --> 01:32:04,880
Speaker 1: Indie things, AAU, you E League, and Decatur Central High School.

1567
01:32:05,280 --> 01:32:07,880
Speaker 1: It's the summer league teams you play for and the

1568
01:32:08,000 --> 01:32:11,320
Speaker 1: programs you're in, whether you're coming through the Nike route,

1569
01:32:11,439 --> 01:32:17,000
Speaker 1: the Adidas route, now the Puma tournaments, that's where players'

1570
01:32:17,160 --> 01:32:21,599
Speaker 1: names are attached. And so for that reason, not only

1571
01:32:21,720 --> 01:32:24,519
Speaker 1: do players think of themselves first and foremost of their

1572
01:32:24,600 --> 01:32:29,840
Speaker 1: AAU representation rather than their high school representation, but they also,

1573
01:32:30,000 --> 01:32:34,080
Speaker 1: by the time they are a sophomore or a junior

1574
01:32:34,120 --> 01:32:38,160
Speaker 1: in high school, have played in one hundred and fifty

1575
01:32:38,240 --> 01:32:42,719
Speaker 1: games a year in ten different states. So the thought

1576
01:32:42,800 --> 01:32:46,400
Speaker 1: of going away from home and going to Arizona from

1577
01:32:46,560 --> 01:32:51,320
Speaker 1: Indianapolis or going to Boca Ratan from Indianapolis, it's not

1578
01:32:51,400 --> 01:32:54,040
Speaker 1: as big a deal when you have been playing in

1579
01:32:54,720 --> 01:32:57,880
Speaker 1: two week long tournaments ten states away since you were

1580
01:32:57,920 --> 01:33:03,360
Speaker 1: fourteen years old. But my belief still has always been

1581
01:33:04,040 --> 01:33:07,680
Speaker 1: that for Butler's recruiting, Epicenter area and everything that I

1582
01:33:07,840 --> 01:33:10,080
Speaker 1: just said kind of dismisses this theory, and that's what

1583
01:33:10,160 --> 01:33:12,519
Speaker 1: I said, I got to reprogram myself. But when I

1584
01:33:12,600 --> 01:33:15,360
Speaker 1: look at Butler and you're trying to get players to

1585
01:33:15,439 --> 01:33:18,519
Speaker 1: come play in the Big East, and you're going around

1586
01:33:18,680 --> 01:33:20,880
Speaker 1: and I think, for even Butler, your footprinting or you're

1587
01:33:20,880 --> 01:33:23,120
Speaker 1: going around and you're trying to get players from predominantly

1588
01:33:23,160 --> 01:33:26,479
Speaker 1: around where your connections are in the Midwest area, how

1589
01:33:26,520 --> 01:33:28,320
Speaker 1: many of those kids are like, yeah, I can't wait

1590
01:33:28,360 --> 01:33:32,439
Speaker 1: to go play games at Saint John's and you know,

1591
01:33:32,920 --> 01:33:37,040
Speaker 1: go on the road and go out to Connecticut and

1592
01:33:37,320 --> 01:33:40,080
Speaker 1: Providence and whatever else. I think a lot of them

1593
01:33:40,120 --> 01:33:44,519
Speaker 1: are like that. That's number one, and again probably dismissed

1594
01:33:44,560 --> 01:33:47,200
Speaker 1: by everything I prefaced with there. But then the other

1595
01:33:47,360 --> 01:33:51,920
Speaker 1: aspect of it is, not only are is it harder

1596
01:33:52,000 --> 01:33:56,639
Speaker 1: to get kids to come into to get to Butler,

1597
01:33:56,680 --> 01:33:58,400
Speaker 1: but I also just think there's a different style of

1598
01:33:58,560 --> 01:34:00,960
Speaker 1: play than a lot of the guys that you're recruiting

1599
01:34:01,000 --> 01:34:03,760
Speaker 1: in this area aren't used to playing. I just think

1600
01:34:04,000 --> 01:34:05,840
Speaker 1: all the way around. And then if you want to

1601
01:34:05,920 --> 01:34:09,240
Speaker 1: go to the East Coast and say, okay, then let's

1602
01:34:09,280 --> 01:34:11,240
Speaker 1: get players that are more used to that style or

1603
01:34:11,400 --> 01:34:14,320
Speaker 1: understand and want to play in the Big East. And

1604
01:34:14,400 --> 01:34:16,920
Speaker 1: I know Nil probably also negates all this as well.

1605
01:34:17,439 --> 01:34:22,840
Speaker 1: But if you're getting players that are familiar with the

1606
01:34:23,000 --> 01:34:26,439
Speaker 1: Georgetowns and the Saint John's and the Yukons and whatever else,

1607
01:34:26,520 --> 01:34:29,559
Speaker 1: do they want to come play in a hundred year

1608
01:34:29,600 --> 01:34:33,280
Speaker 1: old arena in Indianapolis, Indiana? Does it mean much to

1609
01:34:33,360 --> 01:34:35,400
Speaker 1: them that they're playing at the spot where Bobby Plump

1610
01:34:35,479 --> 01:34:37,960
Speaker 1: hit a shot and Gene Hackman made a movie. I

1611
01:34:38,000 --> 01:34:41,840
Speaker 1: don't know. But the other thing that happened last night

1612
01:34:41,880 --> 01:34:44,560
Speaker 1: in college basketball was that that happened in Chicago, And

1613
01:34:44,600 --> 01:34:49,880
Speaker 1: I want to get back into this. Darren Devreeze just

1614
01:34:49,920 --> 01:34:58,160
Speaker 1: finished his first year with Indiana, and it would be

1615
01:34:58,360 --> 01:35:04,439
Speaker 1: very easy for me, probably even expected of me, to

1616
01:35:04,560 --> 01:35:07,080
Speaker 1: come on the air today and to sit here and

1617
01:35:07,160 --> 01:35:11,200
Speaker 1: to do nothing but shred up and down Indiana and

1618
01:35:11,360 --> 01:35:15,439
Speaker 1: everything about it. It'd be easy for me to do that.

1619
01:35:16,920 --> 01:35:20,240
Speaker 1: It'd be the low hanging fruit. I could come in

1620
01:35:20,320 --> 01:35:22,760
Speaker 1: here right now and I could say this is a

1621
01:35:22,880 --> 01:35:27,519
Speaker 1: program that when Cleveland State beat him in nineteen eighty six,

1622
01:35:28,040 --> 01:35:33,719
Speaker 1: everyone in the entire state was on the floor because

1623
01:35:33,920 --> 01:35:36,519
Speaker 1: Purdue fans were laughing about it and Indiana fans were

1624
01:35:36,600 --> 01:35:40,720
Speaker 1: incredulous about it because a Bob Knight coach team had

1625
01:35:40,920 --> 01:35:43,639
Speaker 1: never lost in the first round of the NCAA tournament

1626
01:35:45,560 --> 01:35:49,679
Speaker 1: fourteen years he was there before it happened, never lost

1627
01:35:49,720 --> 01:35:53,160
Speaker 1: in the first round of the NCAA tournament. And this

1628
01:35:53,360 --> 01:35:57,559
Speaker 1: is a program that, with Miami's loss today, is still

1629
01:35:57,800 --> 01:36:01,280
Speaker 1: the one to have produced the last beaten in college basketball.

1630
01:36:04,040 --> 01:36:07,920
Speaker 1: I could come on here and say that Indiana basketball,

1631
01:36:08,200 --> 01:36:12,480
Speaker 1: when you are in the state of Indiana, it's absurd

1632
01:36:12,720 --> 01:36:15,639
Speaker 1: that you can't go out and look at, for example,

1633
01:36:15,760 --> 01:36:18,800
Speaker 1: Bob Knight's last great team and say that team had

1634
01:36:18,880 --> 01:36:25,840
Speaker 1: Todd Lindeman from Channing, Michigan, and Chris Reynolds from Peoria, Illinois,

1635
01:36:27,080 --> 01:36:29,599
Speaker 1: and that's it. The rest of the roster was kids

1636
01:36:29,640 --> 01:36:33,719
Speaker 1: from Indiana. And there's no reason that shouldn't continue because

1637
01:36:33,720 --> 01:36:37,200
Speaker 1: that's what Indiana fans pride themselves on, except for that

1638
01:36:37,520 --> 01:36:40,839
Speaker 1: those players now are going to West Lafayette. But I digress.

1639
01:36:42,000 --> 01:36:45,680
Speaker 1: I could sit here and say this is absurd. Indiana

1640
01:36:45,800 --> 01:36:47,960
Speaker 1: needs to not go into the NIT or any other

1641
01:36:48,040 --> 01:36:51,400
Speaker 1: tournament because it's Indiana. That's why you want to know

1642
01:36:51,479 --> 01:36:56,439
Speaker 1: why we're turning this down, because we're Indiana. I could

1643
01:36:56,479 --> 01:36:58,800
Speaker 1: go into all of that. I could go into the

1644
01:36:58,880 --> 01:37:03,200
Speaker 1: fact that I don't care if they had to go

1645
01:37:03,400 --> 01:37:08,640
Speaker 1: into the bargain bin clearance rack at TJ Max to

1646
01:37:08,760 --> 01:37:13,479
Speaker 1: put together their roster because of when Darren DeVries was hired,

1647
01:37:13,560 --> 01:37:16,040
Speaker 1: and how they had void all over the place and

1648
01:37:16,160 --> 01:37:18,280
Speaker 1: they did have nil money, but they were getting there

1649
01:37:18,320 --> 01:37:20,439
Speaker 1: late in the game to get the guys they got,

1650
01:37:20,800 --> 01:37:23,519
Speaker 1: and most of them were guys that were basically non

1651
01:37:23,680 --> 01:37:26,720
Speaker 1: Power five level players. I could go into that if

1652
01:37:26,760 --> 01:37:31,160
Speaker 1: I want. I could do all of that, and I

1653
01:37:31,240 --> 01:37:33,920
Speaker 1: could sit here and say and speak the part of

1654
01:37:34,040 --> 01:37:36,920
Speaker 1: those Indiana fans that I grew up knowing and being

1655
01:37:37,000 --> 01:37:38,960
Speaker 1: around and going to school with, and I was the

1656
01:37:39,120 --> 01:37:42,640
Speaker 1: king of them, the king of them. I was as

1657
01:37:42,680 --> 01:37:44,760
Speaker 1: big an Indiana fan as you got. I was as

1658
01:37:44,800 --> 01:37:49,639
Speaker 1: obnoxious and as irrational as any of them. But I'm

1659
01:37:49,640 --> 01:37:54,240
Speaker 1: gonna tell the Indiana fan base these two things. Number One,

1660
01:37:55,479 --> 01:37:59,679
Speaker 1: there is a truth to this. There is a truth

1661
01:37:59,760 --> 01:38:02,920
Speaker 1: to the fact that while I can appreciate and respect

1662
01:38:03,280 --> 01:38:07,200
Speaker 1: and align and understand and even feel to some extent,

1663
01:38:07,680 --> 01:38:12,240
Speaker 1: all of those emotions you have, they are toxic. They

1664
01:38:12,280 --> 01:38:15,599
Speaker 1: are toxic, and they are why while you hang your

1665
01:38:15,640 --> 01:38:17,839
Speaker 1: hat on the fact that you believe that the Indiana

1666
01:38:18,000 --> 01:38:21,320
Speaker 1: job is the best job out there, and you believe

1667
01:38:21,400 --> 01:38:24,360
Speaker 1: that someone like Dusty May was dreaming of the day

1668
01:38:24,400 --> 01:38:26,439
Speaker 1: that Indiana was going to call. And you believe that

1669
01:38:26,600 --> 01:38:29,360
Speaker 1: Brad Stevens it's only been timing for the reason that

1670
01:38:29,439 --> 01:38:32,519
Speaker 1: he's not in Bloomington. You believe all of those things.

1671
01:38:33,920 --> 01:38:36,320
Speaker 1: There is an element of truth to the fact that

1672
01:38:36,520 --> 01:38:39,400
Speaker 1: part of the reason that coaches don't take the phone

1673
01:38:39,479 --> 01:38:42,639
Speaker 1: call or don't consider it is because of the toxic

1674
01:38:42,800 --> 01:38:46,360
Speaker 1: nature of the fan base, because of the expectations of

1675
01:38:46,560 --> 01:38:49,560
Speaker 1: continuing exactly what I'm talking about, living up to the

1676
01:38:49,640 --> 01:38:53,599
Speaker 1: standard of a coach that left there literally a quarter

1677
01:38:53,720 --> 01:38:59,840
Speaker 1: century ago, a quarter century ago. And while it would

1678
01:38:59,840 --> 01:39:02,000
Speaker 1: be easy for me to sit here and pile on

1679
01:39:02,280 --> 01:39:05,320
Speaker 1: and rip on Indiana and rip on, Darren debrees, it's

1680
01:39:05,640 --> 01:39:14,519
Speaker 1: actually more the harder, I guess thing to admit is

1681
01:39:14,640 --> 01:39:17,960
Speaker 1: that this is who you are. Indiana this year should

1682
01:39:18,000 --> 01:39:22,400
Speaker 1: not play in a non NCAA tournament, not because they're

1683
01:39:22,439 --> 01:39:26,600
Speaker 1: above it, but rather because they are in a situation,

1684
01:39:27,200 --> 01:39:32,120
Speaker 1: after twenty five years of continued futility and non grasp

1685
01:39:32,680 --> 01:39:37,320
Speaker 1: of reality, that now they're in a situation where they

1686
01:39:37,479 --> 01:39:40,280
Speaker 1: hired a coach who had to put together a roster late,

1687
01:39:41,040 --> 01:39:44,760
Speaker 1: the core pieces of which all have expired their eligibility,

1688
01:39:45,200 --> 01:39:48,920
Speaker 1: and there is no reason to go out and play

1689
01:39:49,040 --> 01:39:52,519
Speaker 1: games to build for next year with your roster because

1690
01:39:52,520 --> 01:39:54,559
Speaker 1: the guys that would be playing minutes in those games

1691
01:39:54,600 --> 01:39:56,720
Speaker 1: aren't going to be here anyway, and most of them

1692
01:39:56,800 --> 01:39:59,759
Speaker 1: probably already are packing up their U hall in Bloomington

1693
01:40:01,000 --> 01:40:03,639
Speaker 1: for the same reason that Indiana, after winning the national

1694
01:40:03,760 --> 01:40:08,200
Speaker 1: championship in college football had to do a sub zero

1695
01:40:08,400 --> 01:40:12,320
Speaker 1: degree outdoor deal at Memorial Stadium because they couldn't wait

1696
01:40:12,320 --> 01:40:15,160
Speaker 1: a week because their core pieces were getting ready to

1697
01:40:15,240 --> 01:40:18,240
Speaker 1: go and start their NFL interviews and workouts. And we're

1698
01:40:18,320 --> 01:40:22,639
Speaker 1: leaving Bloomington after a four month tenure there because that's

1699
01:40:22,720 --> 01:40:25,000
Speaker 1: the era we live in now, and the era that

1700
01:40:25,120 --> 01:40:28,439
Speaker 1: Indiana basketball is living in now is one of two things.

1701
01:40:29,760 --> 01:40:34,800
Speaker 1: You can either sit around and fret and bemoan and

1702
01:40:34,960 --> 01:40:38,360
Speaker 1: feel like you are entitled to a better coaching performance

1703
01:40:38,400 --> 01:40:41,320
Speaker 1: in year number one, and feel like you're entitled to

1704
01:40:42,000 --> 01:40:45,760
Speaker 1: bypassing a non NCAA tournament bid because you're above that,

1705
01:40:46,880 --> 01:40:49,800
Speaker 1: and feel like you are entitled to talking about the

1706
01:40:49,920 --> 01:40:54,559
Speaker 1: banners that you've won and the elite nature of being

1707
01:40:54,600 --> 01:40:58,920
Speaker 1: a blue blood program, or you can accept the fact

1708
01:41:00,680 --> 01:41:04,200
Speaker 1: that for the last twenty five years your program has

1709
01:41:04,240 --> 01:41:09,040
Speaker 1: been on par with Texas A and M with Minnesota,

1710
01:41:10,040 --> 01:41:13,080
Speaker 1: that in twenty five years you've had seven seasons where

1711
01:41:13,080 --> 01:41:16,800
Speaker 1: you were five hundred or above in your conference. For

1712
01:41:17,360 --> 01:41:23,760
Speaker 1: this decade you have one NCAA tournament win, And for

1713
01:41:23,960 --> 01:41:27,560
Speaker 1: those reasons, at some point you have to come to

1714
01:41:27,640 --> 01:41:30,120
Speaker 1: the grasp and the reality of who you are. It's

1715
01:41:30,160 --> 01:41:33,080
Speaker 1: a harsh lesson, it's a tough pill to swallow, but

1716
01:41:33,240 --> 01:41:35,439
Speaker 1: you have to come with If you finally want to

1717
01:41:35,520 --> 01:41:38,880
Speaker 1: turn the corner towards progressing where it is that you

1718
01:41:38,960 --> 01:41:41,920
Speaker 1: want to return, you have to at first be aware

1719
01:41:42,080 --> 01:41:44,920
Speaker 1: of and realistic as to your starting point. And for

1720
01:41:45,080 --> 01:41:48,519
Speaker 1: Indiana that starting point is all over. By all over,

1721
01:41:48,640 --> 01:41:52,880
Speaker 1: I mean you're starting all over again. And for Darren Devrees, yes,

1722
01:41:53,360 --> 01:41:58,840
Speaker 1: there were some areas where I thought they regressed this year. Yes,

1723
01:41:59,040 --> 01:42:02,000
Speaker 1: I thought he played his son too many minutes in

1724
01:42:02,160 --> 01:42:05,040
Speaker 1: games where he could have been developing Saya Trent Sisley.

1725
01:42:05,200 --> 01:42:11,400
Speaker 1: I do, but he's been there one year, and you

1726
01:42:11,600 --> 01:42:15,160
Speaker 1: can't judge it based on one year until you can

1727
01:42:15,280 --> 01:42:18,280
Speaker 1: bring in an entire roster that are guys that he

1728
01:42:18,439 --> 01:42:21,400
Speaker 1: looked over, that he picked with the proper amount of time.

1729
01:42:22,000 --> 01:42:26,519
Speaker 1: And he has the mix of organic freshmen and veteran

1730
01:42:26,600 --> 01:42:29,759
Speaker 1: players that are brought into compliment it and the nil money.

1731
01:42:30,240 --> 01:42:33,160
Speaker 1: And Ryan Carr now is an executive director. And yes,

1732
01:42:33,680 --> 01:42:35,439
Speaker 1: I'm very good friends with Ryan Carr. I think the

1733
01:42:35,520 --> 01:42:39,240
Speaker 1: world of them, But I also have been an Indiana

1734
01:42:39,320 --> 01:42:43,439
Speaker 1: fan for a really long time. Ryan knows that. And

1735
01:42:44,760 --> 01:42:47,960
Speaker 1: for that reason, instead of sitting here and saying blow

1736
01:42:48,040 --> 01:42:50,160
Speaker 1: it up, fire the coach start all over again, you've

1737
01:42:50,160 --> 01:42:53,200
Speaker 1: got to be realistic as to who you are. First off,

1738
01:42:53,439 --> 01:42:55,760
Speaker 1: if you were to fire Darren Debreeze after this year,

1739
01:42:55,840 --> 01:42:59,800
Speaker 1: good luck finding anybody, because it's going to be seen

1740
01:43:00,120 --> 01:43:02,840
Speaker 1: again to coaches as I don't want to go there

1741
01:43:02,880 --> 01:43:08,960
Speaker 1: because look how irrationally toxic these people are. Indiana got

1742
01:43:09,000 --> 01:43:13,760
Speaker 1: beat for the seventh straight time by Northwestern. That is

1743
01:43:14,479 --> 01:43:20,920
Speaker 1: almost impossible to state without stopping to go really seven

1744
01:43:21,160 --> 01:43:26,920
Speaker 1: straight times to Northwestern, and then after the game to

1745
01:43:27,080 --> 01:43:29,320
Speaker 1: have the coaching staff say, well, we really kind of

1746
01:43:29,360 --> 01:43:31,560
Speaker 1: wore ourselves down over the course of the year. What

1747
01:43:32,880 --> 01:43:36,000
Speaker 1: every team's playing thirty plus games, everybody is everybody is

1748
01:43:38,760 --> 01:43:41,320
Speaker 1: but be realistic about who you are, and who you

1749
01:43:41,439 --> 01:43:44,680
Speaker 1: are is a program that a year from now we

1750
01:43:44,840 --> 01:43:47,920
Speaker 1: will get better glimpse as to whether or not the

1751
01:43:48,080 --> 01:43:52,000
Speaker 1: founding structures of the house are solid enough to uphold it.

1752
01:43:52,640 --> 01:43:54,640
Speaker 1: But we're just now finding out what the frame of

1753
01:43:54,680 --> 01:43:57,560
Speaker 1: the house is. And yeah, I think a lot of

1754
01:43:57,600 --> 01:43:59,280
Speaker 1: people this year would have been disappointed by it. And

1755
01:43:59,360 --> 01:44:02,880
Speaker 1: as it stands right now, the NCAA bubble is so

1756
01:44:03,240 --> 01:44:07,599
Speaker 1: bad that Indiana still hasn't been pushed off the patio

1757
01:44:07,680 --> 01:44:10,160
Speaker 1: of trying to get into the party. They're standing out

1758
01:44:10,200 --> 01:44:12,920
Speaker 1: there with Sherman trying to get in Stiffler's party, and

1759
01:44:13,920 --> 01:44:16,880
Speaker 1: lo and behold, they haven't been pushed off the patio

1760
01:44:17,040 --> 01:44:19,160
Speaker 1: or the port yet. Because it's like, yeah, I mean

1761
01:44:19,800 --> 01:44:23,320
Speaker 1: everybody else, what's Auburn done, what's SMU? I mean all

1762
01:44:23,360 --> 01:44:26,559
Speaker 1: these other teams, nobody's exactly pushing their way to the front.

1763
01:44:29,680 --> 01:44:34,000
Speaker 1: But I think when it comes to assessing and critiquing Indiana,

1764
01:44:35,479 --> 01:44:38,559
Speaker 1: the time has finally come well Overdew for that matter,

1765
01:44:39,080 --> 01:44:42,000
Speaker 1: but the time is there to finally take a step

1766
01:44:42,080 --> 01:44:46,040
Speaker 1: back and say, let's let this grow and let's see

1767
01:44:46,040 --> 01:44:48,559
Speaker 1: where it is. We can talk about how they never

1768
01:44:48,640 --> 01:44:51,559
Speaker 1: should have fired Tom Crean. We can talk about how

1769
01:44:52,160 --> 01:44:56,760
Speaker 1: Archie Miller after hours, got swallowed by the pressure of

1770
01:44:56,800 --> 01:44:59,439
Speaker 1: that job and couldn't live up to it. We can

1771
01:44:59,479 --> 01:45:02,240
Speaker 1: talk about how Mike Woodson got to the point where

1772
01:45:02,280 --> 01:45:05,040
Speaker 1: he turned it into a good old boys club and

1773
01:45:05,960 --> 01:45:09,080
Speaker 1: didn't do anything because he thought that just rolling out

1774
01:45:09,120 --> 01:45:11,280
Speaker 1: the mat and saying where Indiana come play for us

1775
01:45:11,680 --> 01:45:17,200
Speaker 1: meant something. We can talk about how Kelvin Samson broke

1776
01:45:17,240 --> 01:45:20,120
Speaker 1: a bunch of rules that are now no longer rules

1777
01:45:20,200 --> 01:45:22,720
Speaker 1: and they never should have gotten rid of him. We

1778
01:45:22,800 --> 01:45:25,400
Speaker 1: could talk about how they held on to Mike Davis

1779
01:45:25,760 --> 01:45:27,560
Speaker 1: a few years too long. We can go over that

1780
01:45:27,720 --> 01:45:30,320
Speaker 1: all a thousand times, or we can simply say it

1781
01:45:30,400 --> 01:45:33,639
Speaker 1: and say they have a guy that we still don't

1782
01:45:33,720 --> 01:45:36,240
Speaker 1: know a lot about as the head coach, but was

1783
01:45:36,360 --> 01:45:38,880
Speaker 1: thought there was a lot of good thought about him

1784
01:45:38,920 --> 01:45:40,960
Speaker 1: coming in, and he had a roster that he had

1785
01:45:41,000 --> 01:45:42,840
Speaker 1: to do the best he could. And they didn't have

1786
01:45:42,880 --> 01:45:44,800
Speaker 1: a lot of size, and they didn't have a lot

1787
01:45:44,840 --> 01:45:48,080
Speaker 1: of rebounding. And yes, they probably regressed over the course

1788
01:45:48,120 --> 01:45:50,800
Speaker 1: of the year. But let's let him go out now

1789
01:45:51,200 --> 01:45:54,479
Speaker 1: with the executive director, with a game plan, with the

1790
01:45:54,640 --> 01:45:57,840
Speaker 1: checkbook and put together a roster and then a year

1791
01:45:57,920 --> 01:46:00,280
Speaker 1: from now find out whether or not they get better

1792
01:46:00,360 --> 01:46:02,720
Speaker 1: over the course of the year. But if you think,

1793
01:46:02,880 --> 01:46:05,360
Speaker 1: just because you're Indiana and because you have a banner

1794
01:46:05,520 --> 01:46:10,040
Speaker 1: up there that is thirty nine years old, thirty nine

1795
01:46:10,120 --> 01:46:13,639
Speaker 1: years old when you were sitting there watching Keith Smart

1796
01:46:13,760 --> 01:46:16,920
Speaker 1: hit that shot, how long ago did that nineteen forty

1797
01:46:17,040 --> 01:46:20,720
Speaker 1: championship of Branch McCracken seem to you? Because we're only

1798
01:46:20,800 --> 01:46:23,280
Speaker 1: eight years away from it being that gap between Keith

1799
01:46:23,320 --> 01:46:29,839
Speaker 1: Smart shot and now reality reality middle big ten program,

1800
01:46:30,439 --> 01:46:35,400
Speaker 1: middle college basketball program. A kid right now that's a

1801
01:46:35,439 --> 01:46:37,920
Speaker 1: senior in high school has seen Indiana win like four

1802
01:46:37,960 --> 01:46:41,600
Speaker 1: tournament games in his lifetime, and most of them are

1803
01:46:41,640 --> 01:46:48,080
Speaker 1: when he was still carrying a lunchbox reality. But I

1804
01:46:48,280 --> 01:46:53,280
Speaker 1: was hoping to see Indiana Purdue today for round number three.

1805
01:46:53,320 --> 01:46:55,040
Speaker 1: We're not going to see that. We had Rob Blackman

1806
01:46:55,120 --> 01:46:58,960
Speaker 1: on earlier and the Boilers now getting set to take

1807
01:46:59,000 --> 01:47:02,519
Speaker 1: on Northwestern and that perimeter defense is their storyline. And

1808
01:47:02,720 --> 01:47:06,000
Speaker 1: can that be turned around with the flip of a switch?

1809
01:47:06,280 --> 01:47:11,120
Speaker 1: Can you say, okay, guys, you were slow to switches

1810
01:47:11,160 --> 01:47:13,000
Speaker 1: over the course of the year. You were slow to

1811
01:47:13,080 --> 01:47:15,320
Speaker 1: space at the over the course of the year. You

1812
01:47:15,479 --> 01:47:18,160
Speaker 1: don't have your rim protector to help you out and

1813
01:47:18,280 --> 01:47:21,960
Speaker 1: bail you out if guys get around you. And you

1814
01:47:22,120 --> 01:47:24,759
Speaker 1: gave up way too high a percentage from the outside

1815
01:47:24,800 --> 01:47:27,040
Speaker 1: on the three point circle over the course of the

1816
01:47:27,120 --> 01:47:29,280
Speaker 1: regular season. And that's why you're the seventh seed in

1817
01:47:29,320 --> 01:47:33,080
Speaker 1: the Big Ten tournament. But you are offensively elite. So

1818
01:47:33,240 --> 01:47:35,639
Speaker 1: let's see now if we can flip that switch. That's

1819
01:47:35,720 --> 01:47:39,479
Speaker 1: a tough, tough ask. But the running out of time

1820
01:47:39,560 --> 01:47:43,680
Speaker 1: to get it figured out without this becoming a massively disappointing,

1821
01:47:43,760 --> 01:47:49,800
Speaker 1: underachieving season. Now all of that factored in, Eddie, when

1822
01:47:49,840 --> 01:47:52,120
Speaker 1: it comes to the Pacers, you made an interesting point

1823
01:47:52,240 --> 01:47:56,080
Speaker 1: about the one detriment. Even though we understand why it

1824
01:47:56,200 --> 01:47:59,040
Speaker 1: is the Pacers now have the worst record in the NBA,

1825
01:47:59,400 --> 01:48:02,920
Speaker 1: even though injury plays into that and then strategy plays

1826
01:48:03,000 --> 01:48:05,960
Speaker 1: into that, you make an interesting point about one thing

1827
01:48:06,080 --> 01:48:08,240
Speaker 1: that could linger from that that could be a problem.

1828
01:48:08,640 --> 01:48:11,320
Speaker 3: Yes, I also have something I want to ask you.

1829
01:48:11,920 --> 01:48:17,000
Speaker 3: You've talked about NIL and just the nature of Hey, well,

1830
01:48:17,080 --> 01:48:21,000
Speaker 3: these people that are funding these collectives in the NIL

1831
01:48:21,160 --> 01:48:24,599
Speaker 3: for schools, stop spending once you've reached like the pinnacle

1832
01:48:24,960 --> 01:48:27,800
Speaker 3: and like it's like, okay, well I've seen them win.

1833
01:48:27,920 --> 01:48:30,040
Speaker 2: Now, like do I just keep doing this to keep winning?

1834
01:48:30,240 --> 01:48:33,120
Speaker 2: Or do I take my money elsewhere? Do I start

1835
01:48:33,160 --> 01:48:34,280
Speaker 2: saving it? Whatever the case may be.

1836
01:48:34,760 --> 01:48:37,960
Speaker 3: On the other side of this is well how long

1837
01:48:38,040 --> 01:48:42,360
Speaker 3: do these people or keep donating or supplying their funds

1838
01:48:42,880 --> 01:48:45,720
Speaker 3: when the return on investment isn't there? And like to

1839
01:48:46,200 --> 01:48:48,439
Speaker 3: go to the Indiana perspective, this was a ten million

1840
01:48:48,479 --> 01:48:52,320
Speaker 3: dollar roster. It was a ten million dollar budget that

1841
01:48:52,479 --> 01:48:55,800
Speaker 3: IU Basketball had, and that is the product that you

1842
01:48:55,920 --> 01:48:59,040
Speaker 3: put together. If the return on investment for ten million

1843
01:48:59,040 --> 01:49:01,160
Speaker 3: dollars is going to be that every year, then that

1844
01:49:01,360 --> 01:49:05,479
Speaker 3: nil money that you have the treasure trove of funds

1845
01:49:05,640 --> 01:49:08,800
Speaker 3: is going to start going the wrong way.

1846
01:49:09,000 --> 01:49:11,880
Speaker 1: I believe this. And by the way, the point you

1847
01:49:11,960 --> 01:49:15,599
Speaker 1: made about the pacers was if you're losing games, even

1848
01:49:15,640 --> 01:49:18,160
Speaker 1: if you aren't worried about losing them, does that become

1849
01:49:18,240 --> 01:49:19,880
Speaker 1: a habit that's hard to break out of? It? It's

1850
01:49:19,880 --> 01:49:20,879
Speaker 1: a very fair point.

1851
01:49:20,800 --> 01:49:22,880
Speaker 3: Like is it are you gonna have issues getting back

1852
01:49:22,920 --> 01:49:26,360
Speaker 3: to like finding ways to win late after all these

1853
01:49:26,520 --> 01:49:29,680
Speaker 3: games this year where oh no, we can't win this,

1854
01:49:29,880 --> 01:49:32,080
Speaker 3: we need to make sure we lose or is it

1855
01:49:32,439 --> 01:49:35,080
Speaker 3: even being able to focus on those small minute details.

1856
01:49:35,200 --> 01:49:41,920
Speaker 1: Okay, your question about Nil is a fabulous question, and

1857
01:49:42,479 --> 01:49:45,040
Speaker 1: I believe I have your answer. It's a great discussion.

1858
01:49:45,439 --> 01:49:50,439
Speaker 1: We'll do it next. Are we back, Eddie? Yeah?

1859
01:49:50,520 --> 01:49:54,320
Speaker 3: Sorry, I was talking with Cott and Jim digital guy.

1860
01:49:54,600 --> 01:49:57,000
Speaker 3: We're asking we're talking about the new digging there and

1861
01:49:57,880 --> 01:50:02,160
Speaker 3: totally lost space where we're on the break. It's okay, yeah,

1862
01:50:02,280 --> 01:50:06,120
Speaker 3: sorry about that. You know, here's here's a thought I

1863
01:50:06,160 --> 01:50:11,160
Speaker 3: had the other day. Yeah, you're in kind of a

1864
01:50:11,240 --> 01:50:14,200
Speaker 3: fish bowl there, right, Yeah. Should we put a note

1865
01:50:14,280 --> 01:50:16,320
Speaker 3: on the door there that says reminder, this is a

1866
01:50:16,400 --> 01:50:17,600
Speaker 3: live broadcast.

1867
01:50:17,160 --> 01:50:17,920
Speaker 1: From me to three.

1868
01:50:19,120 --> 01:50:21,080
Speaker 2: We should even though it is a doggy pumy show.

1869
01:50:21,160 --> 01:50:23,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is a dog and pony show. Okay, you

1870
01:50:23,280 --> 01:50:26,160
Speaker 1: mentioned nil and I think you raise a very interesting point.

1871
01:50:26,200 --> 01:50:27,479
Speaker 1: And by the way, good afternoon to you. My name

1872
01:50:27,520 --> 01:50:29,280
Speaker 1: is Jake Corey. That is the voice of Eddie Garrison.

1873
01:50:29,400 --> 01:50:31,880
Speaker 1: It is Quarying Company here on ninety three five and

1874
01:50:32,040 --> 01:50:35,200
Speaker 1: one oh seven five the Fan. We've talked a lot today.

1875
01:50:35,520 --> 01:50:40,120
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones spoke earlier to the media press conference while

1876
01:50:40,160 --> 01:50:42,599
Speaker 1: we were on the air. I guess nothing totally earth

1877
01:50:42,640 --> 01:50:45,439
Speaker 1: shattering came out of that, but he is scheduled to

1878
01:50:45,640 --> 01:50:50,439
Speaker 1: join on the radio station sometime today. My presumption and

1879
01:50:50,560 --> 01:50:52,880
Speaker 1: assumption is that is going to be with JMB. We'll

1880
01:50:52,880 --> 01:50:55,760
Speaker 1: find out from John perhaps with the crossover, what time

1881
01:50:55,840 --> 01:50:59,679
Speaker 1: exactly that is going to be. But we talked about

1882
01:51:00,120 --> 01:51:05,320
Speaker 1: obviously the Colts, and in addition to that, Indiana last

1883
01:51:05,400 --> 01:51:08,680
Speaker 1: night Purdue in action. There was a great game that

1884
01:51:08,880 --> 01:51:10,799
Speaker 1: just finished in the Big Ten Tournament, correct.

1885
01:51:10,680 --> 01:51:14,360
Speaker 3: Eddie, Ohio State and Iowa. From the majority of the game,

1886
01:51:14,400 --> 01:51:18,559
Speaker 3: the Buckeyes were leading. They were I think like fifteen

1887
01:51:18,920 --> 01:51:21,280
Speaker 3: at one point in the second half, and I look

1888
01:51:21,360 --> 01:51:25,200
Speaker 3: over and the Hawkeyes make this like ferocious comeback and

1889
01:51:25,680 --> 01:51:27,840
Speaker 3: Ohio State misses a free throw that would have made

1890
01:51:27,840 --> 01:51:29,120
Speaker 3: it a four point game late.

1891
01:51:29,080 --> 01:51:30,240
Speaker 1: Iwall calls a time out.

1892
01:51:30,880 --> 01:51:33,439
Speaker 3: They're able to inbound the ball, get it down to

1893
01:51:33,479 --> 01:51:35,639
Speaker 3: the Ohio State side of the court, call another timeout,

1894
01:51:35,680 --> 01:51:38,200
Speaker 3: get to play they want draw up a wide open

1895
01:51:38,280 --> 01:51:42,200
Speaker 3: three clank into game. Ohio State and fances in the

1896
01:51:42,240 --> 01:51:45,160
Speaker 3: Big Ten turnam. So that's probably not good news for Indiana.

1897
01:51:45,240 --> 01:51:47,160
Speaker 3: By the way, Well, I think it is, Jake, because

1898
01:51:47,280 --> 01:51:49,000
Speaker 3: when you think about it, I don't know if Iowa

1899
01:51:49,200 --> 01:51:50,880
Speaker 3: was in the field or not if they were in

1900
01:51:50,920 --> 01:51:53,360
Speaker 3: the tournament, if they were a teams, which made no

1901
01:51:53,479 --> 01:51:56,160
Speaker 3: sense to me because Ohio State was eight and the

1902
01:51:56,200 --> 01:51:58,960
Speaker 3: Big Ten Tournament or the Big Ten Conference and Iowa

1903
01:51:59,120 --> 01:52:01,000
Speaker 3: was nine in Ohio State was such a bubble team.

1904
01:52:01,800 --> 01:52:03,880
Speaker 3: But I think that they win over Indiana, and the

1905
01:52:03,920 --> 01:52:06,080
Speaker 3: way that the Buck guys have been playing lately, I

1906
01:52:06,160 --> 01:52:09,479
Speaker 3: think the I think Ohio State is in the field.

1907
01:52:09,800 --> 01:52:12,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think at this point Ohio State's definitively in right.

1908
01:52:12,680 --> 01:52:15,720
Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, the latest bracketology from this

1909
01:52:15,840 --> 01:52:19,759
Speaker 1: morning had Iowa as a nine seed. They have Indiana

1910
01:52:19,800 --> 01:52:22,280
Speaker 1: as the first out. I think what we're going to

1911
01:52:22,320 --> 01:52:26,360
Speaker 1: see moving forward, Eddie, is this and we talked about

1912
01:52:26,400 --> 01:52:30,160
Speaker 1: this from a football standpoint, but it's true in basketball

1913
01:52:30,240 --> 01:52:36,439
Speaker 1: as well. I think what you're going to see right

1914
01:52:36,520 --> 01:52:42,439
Speaker 1: now in football Texas Tech has the best chance of

1915
01:52:42,520 --> 01:52:46,559
Speaker 1: being next year's Indiana, a team that just all season

1916
01:52:46,600 --> 01:52:49,759
Speaker 1: long and like, holy cow, look are these guys. Indiana

1917
01:52:49,800 --> 01:52:51,360
Speaker 1: has a chance to be next year's Indiana as well.

1918
01:52:51,400 --> 01:52:55,120
Speaker 1: Don't get me wrong, but what I'm saying is Texas

1919
01:52:55,200 --> 01:52:59,840
Speaker 1: Tech was a college football playoff team this year, and

1920
01:53:00,120 --> 01:53:04,240
Speaker 1: they loaded up defensively in the portal and through nil

1921
01:53:05,120 --> 01:53:08,200
Speaker 1: because they've got that old all that Landman money, they

1922
01:53:08,240 --> 01:53:13,000
Speaker 1: got all that West Texas oil money, and the boosters

1923
01:53:13,040 --> 01:53:15,519
Speaker 1: and the fans and the alum and the businesses of

1924
01:53:15,600 --> 01:53:18,439
Speaker 1: Texas Tech said let's go, let's just spend it.

1925
01:53:20,680 --> 01:53:20,840
Speaker 6: Now.

1926
01:53:22,040 --> 01:53:24,560
Speaker 1: That's well and good in the in the now, in

1927
01:53:24,640 --> 01:53:31,800
Speaker 1: the immediacy. But you have to your point, Eddie, and

1928
01:53:31,920 --> 01:53:35,960
Speaker 1: this is always going to be the case. We'll call

1929
01:53:36,040 --> 01:53:42,040
Speaker 1: it the Laker phenomenon. I remember when the Lakers signed

1930
01:53:42,439 --> 01:53:48,880
Speaker 1: Carmelone Gary Payton. I think they already had Paalgasol and

1931
01:53:49,000 --> 01:53:52,519
Speaker 1: it was like, man, just hand him to Larry O'Brien

1932
01:53:52,760 --> 01:53:58,200
Speaker 1: right now, and they got swept in the finals. There

1933
01:53:58,240 --> 01:54:01,080
Speaker 1: are certain teams that you look at them and you say,

1934
01:54:01,840 --> 01:54:04,720
Speaker 1: it is unreal how good these guys are going to be,

1935
01:54:05,040 --> 01:54:10,640
Speaker 1: and you just never know. Injuries come into play, chemistry

1936
01:54:10,720 --> 01:54:14,280
Speaker 1: comes into play, transfers come into play, any number of things.

1937
01:54:15,600 --> 01:54:17,880
Speaker 1: So to your point, when you are going to the

1938
01:54:17,960 --> 01:54:20,320
Speaker 1: big boosters, and I know these guys and gals have

1939
01:54:20,439 --> 01:54:23,160
Speaker 1: deep pockets and a lot of love for it. They

1940
01:54:23,200 --> 01:54:25,280
Speaker 1: want to be able to be a somebody. I get it.

1941
01:54:27,200 --> 01:54:28,800
Speaker 1: But you can only go to the well. So many

1942
01:54:28,880 --> 01:54:31,639
Speaker 1: times without result. Before people are like, I don't know, man.

1943
01:54:32,640 --> 01:54:34,200
Speaker 1: You came to me a year ago and you told

1944
01:54:34,240 --> 01:54:35,840
Speaker 1: me that like for twenty million, we were going to

1945
01:54:35,880 --> 01:54:37,960
Speaker 1: get this quarterback or a twenty millions high but you

1946
01:54:38,000 --> 01:54:40,320
Speaker 1: get what I'm saying. For three million, you needed three

1947
01:54:40,400 --> 01:54:43,080
Speaker 1: million dollars to get this quarterback. And initially, remember it

1948
01:54:43,200 --> 01:54:45,200
Speaker 1: was going to be that nil was going to allow

1949
01:54:45,280 --> 01:54:47,200
Speaker 1: guys to get some pizza and take their girlfriend to

1950
01:54:47,240 --> 01:54:50,880
Speaker 1: a movie. Now you got Fernanda Mendoza playing for four

1951
01:54:50,920 --> 01:54:52,880
Speaker 1: months for Indiana for three and a half million dollars,

1952
01:54:53,120 --> 01:54:55,120
Speaker 1: and they upped that price for the quarterback next year

1953
01:54:55,360 --> 01:54:58,120
Speaker 1: and you got the kit. Everybody thought it was crazy

1954
01:54:58,600 --> 01:55:01,800
Speaker 1: when the quarterback, that's the eucl told Tennessee, unless I

1955
01:55:01,840 --> 01:55:03,000
Speaker 1: get a million and a half, I'm out of here

1956
01:55:03,160 --> 01:55:05,080
Speaker 1: or three million or whatever it was. And he's making

1957
01:55:05,120 --> 01:55:08,080
Speaker 1: a million dollars a year. Now, I am ilava. Yeah,

1958
01:55:08,800 --> 01:55:14,560
Speaker 1: and well done, Nico, I am i alava.

1959
01:55:14,680 --> 01:55:15,440
Speaker 2: Is that what you think of?

1960
01:55:15,520 --> 01:55:19,160
Speaker 1: That's right, okay, But but either way, it's become the

1961
01:55:19,240 --> 01:55:21,760
Speaker 1: wild wild West, big time business. What I think we're

1962
01:55:21,800 --> 01:55:25,400
Speaker 1: going to see our many dynasties because I think to

1963
01:55:25,480 --> 01:55:29,000
Speaker 1: your point exactly Eddie, give me a school, give me

1964
01:55:29,040 --> 01:55:31,360
Speaker 1: a college basketball program off the top of your head.

1965
01:55:31,840 --> 01:55:35,120
Speaker 1: That's a decent team. Decent program, but not like they're

1966
01:55:35,160 --> 01:55:37,080
Speaker 1: never necessarily the total best, but they're good.

1967
01:55:37,120 --> 01:55:39,080
Speaker 2: They're fine up until this last year. And this year

1968
01:55:39,120 --> 01:55:40,320
Speaker 2: I would I would say Florida.

1969
01:55:40,400 --> 01:55:45,360
Speaker 1: Okay, Florida. I mean, Florida won back to back national titles.

1970
01:55:44,960 --> 01:55:47,480
Speaker 2: And you know, okay, but since then it hasn't really

1971
01:55:48,920 --> 01:55:49,400
Speaker 2: done much.

1972
01:55:51,560 --> 01:55:55,840
Speaker 1: Well, I'm talking about one that's never had Minnesota, Minnesasca, Okay,

1973
01:55:56,640 --> 01:55:59,640
Speaker 1: Nebraska is a good one. So let's say that we'll

1974
01:55:59,720 --> 01:56:04,000
Speaker 1: take the Nebraska. So Nebraska goes to the guy that

1975
01:56:04,160 --> 01:56:08,680
Speaker 1: owns the largest corn processing plant in Omaha. And you know,

1976
01:56:08,800 --> 01:56:11,040
Speaker 1: every state has this, right the guy that I mean,

1977
01:56:11,120 --> 01:56:14,480
Speaker 1: for crying out loud, Indiana largely has the booster network

1978
01:56:14,520 --> 01:56:16,920
Speaker 1: of a guy that invented hertstens, you know what I mean.

1979
01:56:18,120 --> 01:56:20,400
Speaker 1: And so, and he's worth billions of dollars. He's the

1980
01:56:20,440 --> 01:56:24,240
Speaker 1: wealthiest person in Indiana, and people like, really, yes, the

1981
01:56:24,320 --> 01:56:28,960
Speaker 1: Cook Corporation. So in Nebraska there's some guy that owns

1982
01:56:29,280 --> 01:56:32,680
Speaker 1: some huge corn processing plant and nobody realize that, but

1983
01:56:32,720 --> 01:56:34,600
Speaker 1: he's worth two and a half billion dollars and this

1984
01:56:34,800 --> 01:56:40,560
Speaker 1: guy lives, eats, breathes, sleeps Cornhusker sports, and so he says,

1985
01:56:40,600 --> 01:56:43,400
Speaker 1: you know what I want to I've seen tom Osborne,

1986
01:56:43,440 --> 01:56:46,120
Speaker 1: I've seen Tommy Fraser, I've seen the era of dominance

1987
01:56:46,160 --> 01:56:49,280
Speaker 1: for Nebraska football. I'm going to do it now with basketball.

1988
01:56:49,840 --> 01:56:51,600
Speaker 1: So he goes to Fred Hoiberger and he says, I'm

1989
01:56:51,600 --> 01:56:54,080
Speaker 1: going to write you a check for four years to

1990
01:56:54,280 --> 01:56:57,760
Speaker 1: build the best team you can get, and Nebraska's going

1991
01:56:57,840 --> 01:56:59,640
Speaker 1: to go out and they're going to use that nil money.

1992
01:56:59,720 --> 01:57:02,960
Speaker 1: And now all of a sudden, they're getting dudes and

1993
01:57:03,160 --> 01:57:07,320
Speaker 1: they are playing at an incredibly high level and they

1994
01:57:07,440 --> 01:57:13,000
Speaker 1: are something to be had. And the first year they

1995
01:57:13,080 --> 01:57:15,000
Speaker 1: go out and they're pretty good, and then they get

1996
01:57:15,000 --> 01:57:17,080
Speaker 1: an injury. And then the second year they go out

1997
01:57:17,080 --> 01:57:18,640
Speaker 1: and they get to the Elite eight and they get

1998
01:57:18,680 --> 01:57:20,640
Speaker 1: beat and that guy's like, oh man, that was awesome,

1999
01:57:20,880 --> 01:57:22,720
Speaker 1: if we can only get And then the third year,

2000
01:57:23,880 --> 01:57:27,400
Speaker 1: one guy finds out he's dating the shooting guard's girlfriend,

2001
01:57:27,600 --> 01:57:32,040
Speaker 1: and the small forwards mad because his sister actually was

2002
01:57:32,160 --> 01:57:35,160
Speaker 1: seen on campus with the center, and chemistry problems happen

2003
01:57:35,320 --> 01:57:37,200
Speaker 1: and everything goes awry and they go twenty to to

2004
01:57:37,360 --> 01:57:41,400
Speaker 1: ten and then the third year they make it to

2005
01:57:41,440 --> 01:57:43,760
Speaker 1: the sweet sixteen and done. And so they win like

2006
01:57:43,880 --> 01:57:46,800
Speaker 1: four tournament games and four years with this particular group,

2007
01:57:47,000 --> 01:57:49,520
Speaker 1: and Fred Hoiberg goes back to the guy and goes, well,

2008
01:57:49,760 --> 01:57:52,520
Speaker 1: that wasn't exactly what we wanted, but I know you

2009
01:57:52,640 --> 01:57:54,920
Speaker 1: gave me fifteen mil. I can get a better roster

2010
01:57:55,040 --> 01:57:56,840
Speaker 1: next year for eighteen mil. And let's say they do

2011
01:57:56,920 --> 01:57:59,400
Speaker 1: it again and they fall short and they don't win

2012
01:57:59,480 --> 01:58:01,440
Speaker 1: a title. How many times can you go to that

2013
01:58:01,520 --> 01:58:04,680
Speaker 1: guy before he goes, you know what, I'm actually on

2014
01:58:04,840 --> 01:58:05,480
Speaker 1: to something else.

2015
01:58:05,560 --> 01:58:05,680
Speaker 4: Now.

2016
01:58:05,760 --> 01:58:08,360
Speaker 1: I discovered cryptocurrencies and that's fun, and so that's my

2017
01:58:08,480 --> 01:58:13,800
Speaker 1: new hobby. And you can only go to the well

2018
01:58:13,880 --> 01:58:16,480
Speaker 1: when you are funding things. And I know when I

2019
01:58:16,560 --> 01:58:19,360
Speaker 1: say private funding, I know that some of this is

2020
01:58:19,440 --> 01:58:22,240
Speaker 1: corporate whatever else. But you can only go when you

2021
01:58:22,360 --> 01:58:25,960
Speaker 1: have that hopper into it so many times to the

2022
01:58:26,120 --> 01:58:31,040
Speaker 1: same resource before eventually, unless you are delivering either a

2023
01:58:31,880 --> 01:58:33,760
Speaker 1: people are going to say that they're not getting to

2024
01:58:33,840 --> 01:58:39,120
Speaker 1: your point return on investment, Eddie, or by their interests

2025
01:58:40,000 --> 01:58:42,720
Speaker 1: shift to something else and they're onto something. I mean,

2026
01:58:42,960 --> 01:58:47,840
Speaker 1: how many things in life? How many things in life

2027
01:58:49,600 --> 01:58:54,120
Speaker 1: do you have a true, do anything prioritized passion for

2028
01:58:54,360 --> 01:58:57,720
Speaker 1: at the age of thirty that you still have at forty,

2029
01:58:57,840 --> 01:58:59,440
Speaker 1: or at the age of fifteen, that you still have

2030
01:58:59,480 --> 01:59:01,800
Speaker 1: at twenty five, or whatever it might be, And that

2031
01:59:02,120 --> 01:59:04,760
Speaker 1: same thing is going to be for and people are

2032
01:59:04,800 --> 01:59:06,720
Speaker 1: going to listen to me and they're like, dude, you're crazy.

2033
01:59:06,760 --> 01:59:10,600
Speaker 1: Indiana has the largest alumni base in the United States

2034
01:59:10,680 --> 01:59:13,960
Speaker 1: of America, the largest living alumni in the United States

2035
01:59:14,000 --> 01:59:21,480
Speaker 1: of America belonging to Indiana University. Okay, sure, and so,

2036
01:59:22,240 --> 01:59:25,960
Speaker 1: but yet I would guess that a lot of their

2037
01:59:26,040 --> 01:59:29,320
Speaker 1: funding for NIL is coming from a very small percentage

2038
01:59:29,400 --> 01:59:32,040
Speaker 1: of that group. And I know the guy that thinks

2039
01:59:32,080 --> 01:59:36,360
Speaker 1: that because he pays a ten thousand dollars check to

2040
01:59:36,480 --> 01:59:38,280
Speaker 1: make sure that he stays in the top twenty rows

2041
01:59:38,320 --> 01:59:41,640
Speaker 1: of Assembly Hall, thinks that he's making this huge impact.

2042
01:59:42,360 --> 01:59:43,960
Speaker 1: But it's really the guy that's writing the check for

2043
01:59:44,000 --> 01:59:49,640
Speaker 1: fifteen mil. And when you are not getting results. And

2044
01:59:49,760 --> 01:59:52,160
Speaker 1: I give Darren Devrez a pass this year, I do

2045
01:59:52,360 --> 01:59:55,000
Speaker 1: because he had to go in at the he had

2046
01:59:55,080 --> 01:59:59,480
Speaker 1: to pick up basically players that other you know, other

2047
01:59:59,600 --> 02:00:03,120
Speaker 1: school had not yet signed, that were available at the

2048
02:00:03,160 --> 02:00:05,360
Speaker 1: time that he was putting together the roster, and I

2049
02:00:05,480 --> 02:00:08,840
Speaker 1: do think that he aired as well in the roster

2050
02:00:09,000 --> 02:00:14,200
Speaker 1: that he built. But are they going to be able

2051
02:00:14,240 --> 02:00:16,000
Speaker 1: to go back to that and say, hey, you know what,

2052
02:00:16,200 --> 02:00:18,240
Speaker 1: that was our bad let's do it if you give

2053
02:00:18,320 --> 02:00:20,080
Speaker 1: us more money this time, we'll make it even better.

2054
02:00:20,120 --> 02:00:24,000
Speaker 1: Because the number is only going up. It's only going up,

2055
02:00:25,400 --> 02:00:27,080
Speaker 1: and they're going to put a cap on it and

2056
02:00:27,160 --> 02:00:33,920
Speaker 1: a salary cap. I don't know. Look at Arkansas, I

2057
02:00:34,000 --> 02:00:38,160
Speaker 1: mean Arkansas theoretically two of the biggest corporations in America

2058
02:00:38,600 --> 02:00:43,120
Speaker 1: are based in Arkansas, a state that has no pro

2059
02:00:43,360 --> 02:00:49,440
Speaker 1: The Razorbacks are their pro sports team. John Calipari should

2060
02:00:49,520 --> 02:00:57,080
Speaker 1: theoretically have unlimited budget, kind of like he did at Kentucky.

2061
02:00:57,560 --> 02:01:00,720
Speaker 1: Even before, necessarily this was all a you know, I mean,

2062
02:01:00,960 --> 02:01:03,879
Speaker 1: you notice you don't hear from Worldwide West anymore? Whateverrap

2063
02:01:03,920 --> 02:01:07,600
Speaker 1: it a Worldwide West. When's the last time you heard

2064
02:01:07,640 --> 02:01:10,800
Speaker 1: the name Worldwide West. He was the guy pushing all

2065
02:01:10,840 --> 02:01:14,440
Speaker 1: the strings all the He was the behind the scenes guy, allegedly,

2066
02:01:14,520 --> 02:01:18,000
Speaker 1: at least for Kentucky. But now everybody can be a

2067
02:01:18,040 --> 02:01:20,080
Speaker 1: Worldwide West. You don't have to hide it anymore. You

2068
02:01:20,120 --> 02:01:24,360
Speaker 1: don't need that middleman. And Kentucky had it and Caliperry

2069
02:01:24,560 --> 02:01:26,520
Speaker 1: and I think the world of Caliperi in terms of

2070
02:01:26,600 --> 02:01:30,280
Speaker 1: his ability to mesh personalities and grow young players and

2071
02:01:30,360 --> 02:01:32,640
Speaker 1: build it. And he had an empire going on to

2072
02:01:32,720 --> 02:01:40,000
Speaker 1: Kentucky there an empire. He won one title, right and

2073
02:01:40,960 --> 02:01:43,840
Speaker 1: with all those NBA but you can't go I'll go

2074
02:01:44,000 --> 02:01:46,640
Speaker 1: tonight to the Pacer game and I'll grab the little

2075
02:01:46,680 --> 02:01:48,600
Speaker 1: program and I'll look at it and there's three different

2076
02:01:48,600 --> 02:01:50,520
Speaker 1: guys on the floor that like, I'm like, oh yeah,

2077
02:01:50,520 --> 02:01:52,240
Speaker 1: I forgot about that guy. He left Kentucky after a

2078
02:01:52,320 --> 02:01:57,400
Speaker 1: year all over the place in the NBA, But eventually

2079
02:01:58,840 --> 02:02:03,000
Speaker 1: he started going after the players based on the prestige

2080
02:02:03,120 --> 02:02:05,720
Speaker 1: and the stars and the AAU and not what was

2081
02:02:06,000 --> 02:02:09,560
Speaker 1: meshing and molding together as a team. So you've got

2082
02:02:09,680 --> 02:02:12,440
Speaker 1: to be smart. You got to spend smart. And if

2083
02:02:12,480 --> 02:02:15,080
Speaker 1: you don't spend smart, not only do you not get

2084
02:02:15,160 --> 02:02:18,960
Speaker 1: return on investment, but it also then becomes harder to

2085
02:02:19,120 --> 02:02:22,560
Speaker 1: get those people to get their checkbook out a second time.

2086
02:02:23,680 --> 02:02:26,280
Speaker 1: You're exactly right, Eddie, And it's for that reason that

2087
02:02:26,360 --> 02:02:30,240
Speaker 1: I think we're going to see teams that put together

2088
02:02:30,400 --> 02:02:34,920
Speaker 1: a four to six year window. Clemson football win a

2089
02:02:35,000 --> 02:02:37,640
Speaker 1: ton of games, be the class of the field, and

2090
02:02:37,840 --> 02:02:42,560
Speaker 1: then backpedal back to the masses for eight to ten

2091
02:02:42,680 --> 02:02:46,080
Speaker 1: years before people get hungry for it again and then boom,

2092
02:02:46,160 --> 02:02:49,160
Speaker 1: you come back again. It's going to be very up

2093
02:02:49,240 --> 02:02:51,200
Speaker 1: and down. It's going to look like the dal Jones

2094
02:02:51,280 --> 02:02:55,200
Speaker 1: line in terms of Sure, there are those teams I

2095
02:02:55,280 --> 02:02:58,640
Speaker 1: guess that are always going to be in the elite,

2096
02:03:00,400 --> 02:03:03,760
Speaker 1: but even those have years where the blue bloods Kansas

2097
02:03:04,400 --> 02:03:08,120
Speaker 1: Kansas had Josh Selby. Remember everything was over when they

2098
02:03:08,160 --> 02:03:16,040
Speaker 1: got Josh Selby. Hang the banner, Andrew Wiggins, hang the banner. Peterson, Hey,

2099
02:03:16,120 --> 02:03:18,120
Speaker 1: we got twenty eight minutes from him last night. Hang

2100
02:03:18,200 --> 02:03:24,480
Speaker 1: the banners. All cyclical. JMV is on remote. We'll do

2101
02:03:24,520 --> 02:03:26,120
Speaker 1: the crossover. Brought to you by the good guys at

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2103
02:03:29,840 --> 02:03:32,400
Speaker 1: Three one seven, three five three twenty one forty one

2104
02:03:32,560 --> 02:03:35,160
Speaker 1: is the telephone number. And it looks like I think

2105
02:03:35,200 --> 02:03:37,440
Speaker 1: he's gonna have Daniel Jones. We'll find out exactly what

2106
02:03:37,760 --> 02:03:42,839
Speaker 1: time he's got Daniel Jones. We'll do it next. Statement

2107
02:03:42,920 --> 02:03:46,720
Speaker 1: from Indiana State Basketball, by the way, from their athletic

2108
02:03:46,800 --> 02:03:51,280
Speaker 1: director and Matthew Graves just about their disappointment over the

2109
02:03:51,360 --> 02:03:54,040
Speaker 1: course of this year and the way that the year went,

2110
02:03:55,800 --> 02:03:59,760
Speaker 1: but the pledge about getting things turned around for next year.

2111
02:04:00,320 --> 02:04:02,720
Speaker 1: I mentioned that it's a long statement, but very clearly

2112
02:04:03,800 --> 02:04:07,320
Speaker 1: what can be taken from it is that Matthew Graves will,

2113
02:04:07,440 --> 02:04:11,520
Speaker 1: as we kind of already knew, return as the basketball

2114
02:04:11,560 --> 02:04:14,800
Speaker 1: coach for Indiana State, one who I know has a

2115
02:04:14,880 --> 02:04:16,920
Speaker 1: lot of love for Indiana State, and he is up

2116
02:04:17,040 --> 02:04:20,320
Speaker 1: on the north end of this far city, more in

2117
02:04:20,360 --> 02:04:23,400
Speaker 1: the Broaderpool area, I believe, at Bankley's JMV. Joining me

2118
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Speaker 1: now on the crossover, brought to you by Love Heating

2119
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Speaker 1: and Air. John, You've got Daniel Jones on the big

2120
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Speaker 1: program today, correct.

2121
02:04:30,280 --> 02:04:33,240
Speaker 8: Daniel Jones, the quarterback of the Colts, is going to

2122
02:04:33,360 --> 02:04:36,840
Speaker 8: join us today at four o'clock and talk about a

2123
02:04:37,000 --> 02:04:39,280
Speaker 8: variety of things. I'm curious just off the top of

2124
02:04:39,360 --> 02:04:42,120
Speaker 8: your head. And I know that he answered questions earlier

2125
02:04:42,200 --> 02:04:44,440
Speaker 8: today in front of the local media that was assembled

2126
02:04:44,480 --> 02:04:46,760
Speaker 8: over on West fifty six. But what is it that

2127
02:04:46,840 --> 02:04:47,880
Speaker 8: you would like to know the most?

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Speaker 1: What I would like to know is did he agree

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Speaker 1: to terms with the Colts simply because that's where he

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Speaker 1: wanted to be or because he kind of learned that

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Speaker 1: the free agency market for him was drier than he anticipated.

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Speaker 8: Well, that's exactly how I'll phrase that. Was the free

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Speaker 8: agency market really drive for you other than right here?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that would be I love it? You know what

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Speaker 1: I mean?

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Speaker 5: I love it?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? No, no, no, you're absolutely right.

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Speaker 8: Here's the other thing I want to know is had

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Speaker 8: he ever heard of the transition tag until he got

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Speaker 8: slapped with it?

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Speaker 1: What do you think, especially considering the last guy to

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Speaker 1: get it done was Jeff George? I mean, you know

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Speaker 1: what I mean, Like, it's not like.

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Speaker 8: This shout out to Jeff. Shout out to Jeff, Jeff

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Speaker 8: George and the dairy queen in Westfield. That's a Jeff

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Speaker 8: George dairy queen?

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Speaker 1: That is correct?

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Speaker 4: Is it is?

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Speaker 1: Shout out to Jeff? Right there? I also want to

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Speaker 1: know this. Yeah, I don't know that we will know

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Speaker 1: this John, But you know what, we haven't heard much about.

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Speaker 1: We haven't heard anything since he was told that it

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Speaker 1: was okay for him to go ahead and put it

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Speaker 1: up on LinkedIn. How many teams have called Anthony Richardson exactly.

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Speaker 8: Well, and I'm glad you brought that up, because that's

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02:05:59,520 --> 02:06:03,680
Speaker 8: something that I had thought about, was asking him about

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02:06:04,560 --> 02:06:09,280
Speaker 8: the relationship and how it was last year and moving forward,

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Speaker 8: because yeah, at some point you would have to think

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Speaker 8: that that has to end and then he does find

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Speaker 8: another spot. How much of you Jake sits there downtown

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Speaker 8: right now and believes that Anthony Richardson will be a

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Speaker 8: part of this franchise coming up this season?

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Speaker 1: Any any part of whatsoever? Or is it done? Here's

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Speaker 1: the thing. It feels like it's done, because I just

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Speaker 1: don't see how ye constructively you continue it except for

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Speaker 1: I don't know where else he'd go. Honestly. I mean

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Speaker 1: if there's no if there's no takers, what do you do?

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Speaker 1: Do you release them all together?

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Speaker 4: Well?

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Speaker 8: If you have one one option, as we just kind

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Speaker 8: of referenced with Daniel Jones on the market, Yeah, how

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02:06:52,840 --> 02:06:56,839
Speaker 8: many options are you going to have for Anthony Richardson? Especially?

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Speaker 8: Are you going to go someplace where you know that,

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Speaker 8: for the most part, your starter is going to be

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Speaker 8: your starter and stay healthy the entire year, and then

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Speaker 8: what if he goes down and you got to bring

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Speaker 8: somebody in? And the other part about that is, do

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Speaker 8: we really truly know just how much and how ongoing

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Speaker 8: the eyesight has been compromised here too.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know that we'll ever know that, right,

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Speaker 1: I mean until yeah see him right, because yeah, obviously when.

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Speaker 8: I look like doctor David Tavel sitting right here, I

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Speaker 8: don't think so.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So, I mean he's gonna it's in his best interest

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Speaker 1: to say there's zero problem whatsoever, right.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, exactly. So, No, it's uh, it is kind of

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Speaker 8: an interesting dynamic. We'll talk with Danielle Jones a little

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Speaker 8: bit later on. Can you believe it's one thing about

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Speaker 8: IU basketball? When everybody tells me that they had a

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Speaker 8: mid major roster, what's that make Northwestern? I mean, Northwestern

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Speaker 8: is not like they weren't far off of that. And

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Speaker 8: I just the way that you ended the season is embarrassed.

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Speaker 8: I mean, I don't care what roster you run out there.

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Speaker 8: That was embarrassing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it almost felt fitting that that's the way it

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Speaker 1: would end. And I don't see now. I know that

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Speaker 1: it's still a bad bubble, but I don't see how

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Speaker 1: they get in. That's just my thought. No, there's zero way. Okay,

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Speaker 1: is in, right, John? Is Miami in? They lost? Are

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Speaker 1: they in? They're thirty one? To one.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, Miami, I think, because I think that you're going

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Speaker 8: to get influenced if you're on this particular committee to

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Speaker 8: put Miami in.

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Speaker 2: I do.

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Speaker 8: I agree, but I also agree with others that suggest

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Speaker 8: they weren't really playing that great at the moment anyway.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they were kind of that was magnified today. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: they were hanging on. There's no doubt now you mass.

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Speaker 1: I mean, they're well coached. You know, Frank Martin's a

2211
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Speaker 1: pretty good coach. Right, they lost him by four, but

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Speaker 1: we'll see. I think this year, if there was a year,

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Speaker 1: if there was a year to go thirty one and

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Speaker 1: unblemished without playing many people and having that argument against

2215
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Speaker 1: you and still find your way in the tournament and

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Speaker 1: find your way into the tournament, it's this year because

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Speaker 1: when you look at those that are sitting there on

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Speaker 1: the bubble, you're like, really, give me the go ahead

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Speaker 1: and give me the thirty one to one team.

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Speaker 8: You know, Hey, Jake, by the way, too, the last

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Speaker 8: time we ever mentioned you, Maass's name was Marcus Cambia

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Speaker 8: and Dante Bright back.

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Speaker 4: In the day, wasn't it.

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Speaker 1: I know, Cala Perry's breakthrough here, Tony Barbie shout out right,

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Speaker 1: all right, shout out to Tony Barbie.

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Speaker 8: Yep, and Bobby Bucket's going to join us bottom of

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Speaker 8: the hour because the Indiana, the Indiana, the State of

2228
02:09:23,880 --> 02:09:28,240
Speaker 8: Indiana Collegiate Hopes rides on the Purdue Boilermakers as they

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Speaker 8: take the court later on tonight in Chicago.

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Speaker 1: All right, John and Joyden Bankley's great folks up there,

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Speaker 1: awesome place, and we will be listening for Daniel Jones

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Speaker 1: at four o'clock to join John as well. Eddie and

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Speaker 1: I will be back with you tomorrow beginning at noon.

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Speaker 1: I think Kyle Kirkwood's going to join us tomorrow as

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Speaker 1: we get set. I've got to take off immediately after

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Speaker 1: the show tomorrow for Indycard down in Dallas Arlington specifically,

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Speaker 1: we'll be back with you at noon tomorrow. Thanks again,

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Speaker 1: Zach Ostman, Rob Blackman as well, and thank you for

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Speaker 1: listening to Quarying Company.